WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.800 --> 00:00:14.919 Adventist Radio London. Inspiration for the song We Welcome the Talking Point with Ray 2 00:00:15.519 --> 00:00:21.800 Sen Pedro Angeler discussing the hot topics and answering your questions, Saturdays five to 3 00:00:21.920 --> 00:00:27.320 seven pm on Adventist Radio London. It's talking Point, It's Talking Point, 4 00:00:27.600 --> 00:00:36.359 It's talking Point, it's Talking Point conversations you need to have. One of 5 00:00:36.439 --> 00:00:43.359 my favorite from Maverick City Great is your Faithfulness to Me, and the song 6 00:00:43.439 --> 00:00:49.600 is actually called Promises. Well, welcome to another edition of Talking Point. 7 00:00:49.840 --> 00:00:56.039 It feels like it's been a long while since we've been live. We've had 8 00:00:56.039 --> 00:01:00.960 a few recordings going and I'm hoping that you've been able to to stay with 9 00:01:00.039 --> 00:01:06.760 us, stay connected, and I'm hoping you will stay with us this afternoon. 10 00:01:06.760 --> 00:01:12.159 There's a deep conversation ahead, a relevant conversation ahead as always, and 11 00:01:14.079 --> 00:01:19.920 leading out the conversation is Alison a Wuku, no stranger to Talking Point, 12 00:01:19.000 --> 00:01:25.319 no stranger to Arl. In fact, I've called her our honorary Talking Point 13 00:01:26.000 --> 00:01:30.359 member. Whether she knows this or not, whether she's agreed to or not, 14 00:01:30.480 --> 00:01:34.480 I'm not sure, but she will be coming to sort of lead us 15 00:01:34.480 --> 00:01:38.519 in a conversation as part of the series Breaking or bringing down strongholds. If 16 00:01:38.519 --> 00:01:42.319 you remember, we started this series at the top of the year and I 17 00:01:42.359 --> 00:01:49.760 thought it was an excellent series to start. Then as we approached the new 18 00:01:49.840 --> 00:01:52.560 year, we were talking about the strongholds that were, you know, we 19 00:01:52.680 --> 00:01:57.079 fight on a daily basis, and some of the topics that we discussed and 20 00:01:57.159 --> 00:02:02.239 fleshed out were anxiety, stress, and worry, depression, self esteem. 21 00:02:02.319 --> 00:02:07.840 And we've had excellent feedback. We've had people saying, you know what, 22 00:02:07.879 --> 00:02:10.319 they want to connect with Alison. I'm sure she's had a few people coming 23 00:02:10.360 --> 00:02:15.520 and connecting with her on that front. Persons who've wanted the recordings, you 24 00:02:15.520 --> 00:02:19.560 can find them on spreaker dot com if you've missed any. In fact, 25 00:02:19.599 --> 00:02:22.759 if you want to revisit any of those, you can find them on spreaker 26 00:02:22.800 --> 00:02:28.080 dot com. And any of our conversations really are on that platform. So 27 00:02:28.120 --> 00:02:31.879 we're looking to deep, to dig a little deeper into the topic dealing with 28 00:02:32.039 --> 00:02:38.960 trauma, and that is because we acknowledge that On June twenty seventh, it 29 00:02:38.280 --> 00:02:46.199 was PTSD that's post traumatic stress stress Disorder Awareness Day. That's a mouthful. 30 00:02:46.400 --> 00:02:51.360 Let's say it again. Post Traumatic Stress Disorder Awareness Day. On June twenty 31 00:02:51.439 --> 00:02:59.080 seventh and our discussion. Our topic today is dealing with trauma. I am 32 00:02:59.280 --> 00:03:04.280 hoping I've got Angie on the line. I think she's dropping on and off 33 00:03:05.039 --> 00:03:09.879 having Wi Fi Internet connections, so we're hoping that she will be able to 34 00:03:09.960 --> 00:03:15.680 join the conversation. As always, you can join us in the usual fashion 35 00:03:15.800 --> 00:03:21.159 studio at Adventist Radio dot London, or you can text us eight triple two 36 00:03:21.360 --> 00:03:27.479 eight hope and then space and your message, or you can WhatsApp zero seven 37 00:03:27.560 --> 00:03:31.719 four or five nine six four two eight nine eight. I'm hoping you're hearing 38 00:03:31.759 --> 00:03:36.360 me clearly and hearing myself, so I'm hoping you are. If you aren't, 39 00:03:36.439 --> 00:03:39.479 also let me know and I can adjust you know, the volume and 40 00:03:39.520 --> 00:03:45.919 the mics here in studio. Let's just have a quick prayer and then we 41 00:03:46.000 --> 00:03:51.000 can launch into our discussion. Dear Heavenly Father, we thank you for bringing 42 00:03:51.080 --> 00:03:55.000 us together again for another relevant conversation. We pray that you would be with 43 00:03:55.120 --> 00:03:59.680 us. Be with the technology. I know that Angie's trying to connect. 44 00:04:00.439 --> 00:04:03.639 Make that possible. Their Lord, be with our listeners, especially those who 45 00:04:03.719 --> 00:04:11.960 may be facing and dealing with the issue of trauma. Help us prepare us 46 00:04:12.159 --> 00:04:18.279 and power us in Jesus' name. Amen and Amen, Right, Alison, 47 00:04:18.319 --> 00:04:23.879 it looks like it's just us. We're gonna have to hold the fort until 48 00:04:25.199 --> 00:04:29.759 Angie connects. I see that there are a few people on the platform, 49 00:04:29.959 --> 00:04:32.720 so oh, Angie's as well, so let's see if I can get her 50 00:04:33.439 --> 00:04:45.439 to come through. And we've got someone on Justina. Justina is is Pedro's 51 00:04:45.480 --> 00:04:49.680 sister, and I think she caught the fire and thought she would listen in. 52 00:04:49.759 --> 00:04:55.160 So Justina, thank you very much for doing so. I'm not going 53 00:04:55.199 --> 00:05:00.720 to share the zoom details since we are one down at the moment as another 54 00:05:00.959 --> 00:05:03.279 commitment, but like I said, you can be part of the conversation in 55 00:05:03.279 --> 00:05:11.160 the usual fashion by connecting with us via the studios contact details, okay, 56 00:05:11.199 --> 00:05:16.120 and Jim getting a little bit of feedback from your end. I'm not sure, 57 00:05:16.160 --> 00:05:20.360 maybe because yes, you've got two devices going, so that might be 58 00:05:20.439 --> 00:05:33.000 why hello. Yeah, yes, okay, then I think I'm rooted one, 59 00:05:33.120 --> 00:05:47.600 so you you decide. Okay, now, worries right, So, 60 00:05:48.000 --> 00:05:55.399 as I said, we're talking trauma this afternoon, and it's the conversation led 61 00:05:55.519 --> 00:06:01.040 by Alisson, author and psychotherapist, and as I said, no stranger to 62 00:06:01.560 --> 00:06:05.759 talking point, Allison, how are you doing and welcome back to the program. 63 00:06:05.839 --> 00:06:10.480 Thank you so much for accepting our invitation. As always, thank you 64 00:06:10.560 --> 00:06:15.079 so much, Sanya. I'm doing good. It's a beautiful sunny afternoon where 65 00:06:15.079 --> 00:06:18.480 I am. Yes, yes, I am doing good. Thank you. 66 00:06:18.600 --> 00:06:23.240 It's good to be here, so thank you for having me back. Lovely. 67 00:06:23.319 --> 00:06:27.680 Yeah, you've highlighted that it's it's summer. Summer has come at last. 68 00:06:28.319 --> 00:06:31.199 I thought i'd missed it, but because at one point I was putting 69 00:06:31.240 --> 00:06:35.360 back on my heating, I don't know if anybody else was, but it's 70 00:06:35.399 --> 00:06:40.439 finally here and it's it's come with all its glory. In fact, a 71 00:06:40.439 --> 00:06:43.040 few days ago I thought, well, be careful what you asked for, 72 00:06:43.439 --> 00:06:46.800 Zenya. But it's mellowed out a little bit, cool down a little bit, 73 00:06:47.079 --> 00:06:50.079 and it's definitely a pleasant afternoon here in London, and I hope it 74 00:06:50.120 --> 00:06:56.160 is wherever you are. Angie, how are you Welcome to the conversation. 75 00:06:56.959 --> 00:07:00.160 How are you doing? How was your week? I'm good and yeah, 76 00:07:00.319 --> 00:07:04.480 thank you. Sorry so and a few technical difficulties there surrounded by devices, 77 00:07:04.519 --> 00:07:09.079 but hopefully I just want to be working. But yeah, I'm good. 78 00:07:10.319 --> 00:07:14.279 I've actually had a week off work this week so and whilst I say on 79 00:07:14.360 --> 00:07:16.680 a week off, I had lots of things to do and probably didn't get 80 00:07:16.680 --> 00:07:20.439 as much done as I wanted to, but I did life happening, everything 81 00:07:20.439 --> 00:07:24.199 else you don't get a chance to do when you're working full time, and 82 00:07:24.319 --> 00:07:28.199 sometimes don't know how people manage it. But it was nice. Obviously we've 83 00:07:28.240 --> 00:07:30.959 had some really good weather, so I've been able to enjoy some of that. 84 00:07:32.040 --> 00:07:36.360 So yeah, and today it's been a beautiful subburth day. I'm apparently 85 00:07:36.399 --> 00:07:40.279 really hot, which I shouldn't really complain about, but they're just like, 86 00:07:40.399 --> 00:07:45.319 oh, there's never had quite the right breeze and at the time and stuff. 87 00:07:45.319 --> 00:07:49.759 But I certainly can't complain it's best day so far. We shouldn't really. 88 00:07:50.040 --> 00:07:59.240 It's a point, a very British thing to be. In fact, 89 00:07:59.279 --> 00:08:01.279 if Pedgure was here, he'd say the same thing, you know. That's 90 00:08:01.279 --> 00:08:05.560 that's all we talk about. It seems the weather and we're either it's either 91 00:08:05.560 --> 00:08:09.639 too hot or too cold, too rainy, I don't know, but we 92 00:08:09.639 --> 00:08:15.120 we are blessed to be alive and we're thankful whatever the weather. Indeed, 93 00:08:15.839 --> 00:08:20.199 uh, my week up and down, I don't know if anyone else has 94 00:08:20.240 --> 00:08:24.519 noticed. But life for me is compartments. There there is the professional, 95 00:08:24.680 --> 00:08:28.759 the personal. You know, there's family, there's my parenting relationship, my 96 00:08:28.839 --> 00:08:35.080 marriage relationship. And I've found that over the years there's there's never completeness, 97 00:08:35.120 --> 00:08:39.399 like there's always one compartment. Whenever I managed to put the pieces together in 98 00:08:39.440 --> 00:08:45.480 that compartment, something else will go completely. You know, chaos will will 99 00:08:45.519 --> 00:08:48.960 will will rain. And I suppose that is God's way of keeping me on 100 00:08:48.000 --> 00:08:52.960 my knees. I don't know if I commit to being on my knees, 101 00:08:52.240 --> 00:08:56.000 if things are going well, he'll He'll agree to that. But whenever I 102 00:08:56.080 --> 00:09:01.840 sought one thing out, something else seems to to four spectaclely apart. And 103 00:09:01.720 --> 00:09:07.919 at the moment I'm working at well, wherever I'm working, there seems to 104 00:09:07.960 --> 00:09:11.960 be some issues and I'm trying to figure my way through them. So I'm 105 00:09:11.000 --> 00:09:16.919 soliciting prayers because it's it's not always easy to make decisions. Sometimes difficult decisions 106 00:09:16.960 --> 00:09:20.399 have to be made, Sacrifices have to be made. I would love to 107 00:09:20.440 --> 00:09:24.960 do ministry full time, but it's the nine to five that pays the bills, 108 00:09:24.679 --> 00:09:28.320 so I have to do that. I have to turn up on a 109 00:09:28.320 --> 00:09:33.080 Monday morning. But I know God is able, He's able, he can 110 00:09:33.120 --> 00:09:35.840 do all things, and I'm putting everything into his most capable hands. So 111 00:09:37.320 --> 00:09:41.600 up and down week, but yeah, grateful for the Sabbath, and I'm 112 00:09:41.679 --> 00:09:45.799 really looking forward to the conversation. It might be a timely conversation for me 113 00:09:45.879 --> 00:09:50.799 to be fair and for so many but if not, it's definitely good to 114 00:09:50.879 --> 00:09:54.840 keep these on record, you know, keep them somewhere because if you don't 115 00:09:54.879 --> 00:10:00.080 need them today, you may need them tomorrow. And of course it ma 116 00:10:00.320 --> 00:10:03.639 not being new information to you, but it's good to have refreshers. It's 117 00:10:03.639 --> 00:10:07.879 good to hear it again something you may have overlooked, to be fair. 118 00:10:07.440 --> 00:10:13.960 So I'm really looking forward to the conversation. The conversation today, Yeah, 119 00:10:15.039 --> 00:10:18.720 Alison, as I promised, it's about twenty one minutes fast, and I 120 00:10:18.759 --> 00:10:22.440 know time flies, so I'm going to hand it over to you so that 121 00:10:22.519 --> 00:10:26.679 you can start the discussion for us bringing down strongholds, dealing with trauma. 122 00:10:28.840 --> 00:10:33.639 Okay, thank you so much, Senya. So for anyone who is on 123 00:10:33.720 --> 00:10:41.720 zoom, I'm actually sharing sides, so I'm going to be talking from slides. 124 00:10:41.960 --> 00:10:46.360 But hopefully I was taken away that you know, for those listening and 125 00:10:46.399 --> 00:10:50.159 if you're not, you're not actually looking at the sides. Hopefully, hopefully 126 00:10:50.200 --> 00:10:56.120 you'll be able to follow the conversation as well and hopefully be able to join 127 00:10:56.200 --> 00:11:00.360 in as well. So just by way of recap, like Zenya said, 128 00:11:00.399 --> 00:11:05.639 this is a series. This is part of a series of conversations that we've 129 00:11:05.679 --> 00:11:11.120 been having. We started at the start of the year and I think we 130 00:11:11.200 --> 00:11:16.639 had four in January, and I think it's timely now to have this conversation 131 00:11:16.960 --> 00:11:24.039 around trauma and PTSD seeing us. I think Zaanya said the Friday, I 132 00:11:24.039 --> 00:11:31.639 think Friday was yesterday, So there's a there's a focus on on PTSD on 133 00:11:31.720 --> 00:11:37.879 trauma. So we're gonna be talking about a topic which is quite heavy. 134 00:11:39.799 --> 00:11:43.639 You know, if you do need any if you if you need to talk 135 00:11:43.440 --> 00:11:50.120 just briefly, please do text. I think there's number that you can text 136 00:11:50.159 --> 00:11:56.759 too, and I can. I can leave my email or contact and please 137 00:11:56.759 --> 00:12:01.200 feel free to contact me. I do appreciate this. This can trigger people, 138 00:12:01.240 --> 00:12:05.559 and if you find it a bit too much, please do take do 139 00:12:05.720 --> 00:12:11.519 take time away and you know, get some ice cream or walk around or 140 00:12:11.679 --> 00:12:16.919 you know, find a way to soothe yourself because I'm aware that you know 141 00:12:16.000 --> 00:12:22.320 this is a subject that can trigger some people and if you're really struggling, 142 00:12:22.600 --> 00:12:28.120 please do text. I think Senya will share a number. In fact, 143 00:12:28.200 --> 00:12:31.600 can I share it again Allison, and also we'll share it as we progress 144 00:12:31.679 --> 00:12:37.399 through the program. It is zero seven four five nine six four two eight 145 00:12:37.639 --> 00:12:41.879 nine eight. That's the WhatsApp number. Obviously you can text eight triple to 146 00:12:41.960 --> 00:12:48.399 eight hope space and give that detail as well. All email studio at Adventist 147 00:12:48.519 --> 00:12:52.000 Radio dot London and we'll also give some resources throughout the program that you can 148 00:12:52.320 --> 00:12:58.600 tap into as well. Thank you so much, Senya. So just by 149 00:12:58.639 --> 00:13:03.039 way of overviews, so so you know what we're talking about today, we'll 150 00:13:03.120 --> 00:13:07.679 just do a quick recap looking at what strongholds are and then we'll delve into 151 00:13:07.879 --> 00:13:13.120 looking at what trauma is and the types of trauma, and then we'll have 152 00:13:13.279 --> 00:13:20.360 look at we'll talk about the how trauma can manifest itself in people, so 153 00:13:20.480 --> 00:13:24.600 you can you know, people can behave in certain ways that may not be 154 00:13:24.840 --> 00:13:31.240 immediately ident identified as trauma, but underline that it's likely that you know it's 155 00:13:31.240 --> 00:13:35.840 as a result of trauma that occurred at some point in their lives, and 156 00:13:35.879 --> 00:13:39.080 then we'll have looked at trauma as a stronghold, and then we'll have look 157 00:13:39.159 --> 00:13:43.639 at how we bring down the stronghold of trauma and how we can support other 158 00:13:43.759 --> 00:13:50.159 people as well. So that's just an overview of what the discussion is going 159 00:13:50.240 --> 00:13:54.200 to look like or be sound like today. So just by way of recap, 160 00:13:54.720 --> 00:14:00.679 throughout the series bringing down strongholds and the text that has been a key 161 00:14:00.759 --> 00:14:05.159 focus has been from Second Corinthians, Chapter ten, verses three to five. 162 00:14:05.799 --> 00:14:11.840 Second second Corinthians ten versus three to five, and it rates for though we 163 00:14:11.879 --> 00:14:16.200 walk in the flesh, we do not war against the flesh. For the 164 00:14:16.240 --> 00:14:20.679 weapons of our warfare are not carnal, but mighty in God, for pulling 165 00:14:20.720 --> 00:14:28.399 down strongholds, casting down arguments and every high thing that exhorts itself against the 166 00:14:28.440 --> 00:14:33.759 knowledge of God, bringing every thought into captivity to the obedience of Christ. 167 00:14:35.399 --> 00:14:39.120 The Book of Corinthians was written by the apostle Paul, and when he talks 168 00:14:39.120 --> 00:14:46.600 about when he was talking about strongholds from a spiritual perspectic, but he likened 169 00:14:46.639 --> 00:14:52.840 it to like a fortress. So what is a stronghold in physical terms? 170 00:14:52.879 --> 00:14:58.919 It's like a mighty fortress. It's a fortified place. It's a place that 171 00:14:58.240 --> 00:15:05.559 you can normally has very high walls, it's normally quite fortified. But when 172 00:15:05.600 --> 00:15:09.480 we talk about it from a spirit spiritual perspective, we're talking about a place 173 00:15:09.519 --> 00:15:15.679 where a particular cause or belief is strongly of health. We're talking about the 174 00:15:15.799 --> 00:15:20.720 mind, and we're talking about worlds of resistance in the mind. And we're 175 00:15:20.720 --> 00:15:26.919 talking about strongholds in a negative context, because strongholds can be positive where it's 176 00:15:26.159 --> 00:15:31.440 God who is the stronghold. But in this context, we're talking about where 177 00:15:31.480 --> 00:15:37.600 the enemy puts the strongholds in our minds. And this is in the form 178 00:15:37.639 --> 00:15:41.879 of arguments raised against the truth, the character and the knowledge of God. 179 00:15:43.000 --> 00:15:48.320 So essentially it's a portrait of lies in the mind. And this can actually 180 00:15:48.360 --> 00:15:54.879 be things that are true or factual, but then not everything that's true or 181 00:15:54.879 --> 00:15:58.879 patrol is the truth as is as in aligned with the Word of God. 182 00:16:00.120 --> 00:16:04.200 So you know, things can be true that they may not necessarily be the 183 00:16:04.360 --> 00:16:12.120 truth. Anything that's an obstacle to our wholesome purpose, growth and fulfillment in 184 00:16:12.200 --> 00:16:18.039 life is a stronghold and it does hold us captic. So why are we 185 00:16:18.120 --> 00:16:23.440 doing this series we're doing the series because we want everybody. We want people 186 00:16:23.440 --> 00:16:27.759 to be able to experience abundant living, and we know that price set in 187 00:16:27.840 --> 00:16:32.519 Junte chapter ten, verse ten, I have come that you may have life 188 00:16:33.000 --> 00:16:38.279 and have it more abundantly. So looking at the subject of trauma, what 189 00:16:38.639 --> 00:16:47.519 actually is trauma? So trauma is actually an event or a series of events, 190 00:16:47.639 --> 00:16:52.399 or a set of circumstances that is experienced by an individual as physically or 191 00:16:52.440 --> 00:17:00.600 emotionally harmful or life threatening and has lasting adverse effects effects on the individual's functioning 192 00:17:02.120 --> 00:17:07.680 and mental, physical, social, emotional, or spiritual wellbeing. The effects 193 00:17:07.720 --> 00:17:14.000 have got to be lasting. So where a person simply cannot cope with a 194 00:17:14.079 --> 00:17:21.519 situation and that leaves them in a state of extreme fear or anxiety over a 195 00:17:21.599 --> 00:17:26.480 prolonged period of time, that's that that really is a truth. It's a 196 00:17:26.519 --> 00:17:30.839 trauma, and will will have a look at how that happens or what happens 197 00:17:30.880 --> 00:17:36.359 within in the brain when the trauma happens. So generally speaking, traumas can 198 00:17:36.480 --> 00:17:42.319 happen as a result of kind of like physical halm, mental harm, or 199 00:17:42.759 --> 00:17:47.880 a destruction of some sort. So say for example, there's a war or 200 00:17:47.920 --> 00:17:52.359 where there's a threat of imminent death. So say, for example, there's 201 00:17:52.400 --> 00:17:56.400 a car accident or something and you think, oh my goodness, I think 202 00:17:56.400 --> 00:18:00.599 this is it. I'm going to die. So what what how does actually 203 00:18:00.680 --> 00:18:03.440 affect the brain? So let's remember that the brain is the powerhouse of the 204 00:18:03.480 --> 00:18:07.160 body, and there's a lot that goes on in the brain. And essentially 205 00:18:07.279 --> 00:18:15.680 the effects that we experience from a trauma as a result of that incident or 206 00:18:15.680 --> 00:18:22.680 that situation really adverst the impacting parts of the brain. And the key parts 207 00:18:22.720 --> 00:18:26.920 of the brain that are impacted are, first of all, what we call 208 00:18:26.000 --> 00:18:33.000 the prefrontal cortext and the prefrontal cortext is responsible for rational thinking in the brain. 209 00:18:33.079 --> 00:18:37.960 It's the part of the brain where we call the that we call the 210 00:18:37.000 --> 00:18:44.640 executive functioning of the brain. It's responsible for making decisions, for you know, 211 00:18:44.960 --> 00:18:51.799 making choices, and it also is responsible for regulating emotions that we that 212 00:18:51.960 --> 00:18:56.799 we feel, so things like fear, things like anxiety. It regulates those 213 00:18:56.839 --> 00:19:02.279 emotions. Now, when we soffer trauma or when we suffer from PTSD, 214 00:19:03.119 --> 00:19:11.599 the effectiveness of the prefrontal cortest cortext is significantly reduced, so we're not able 215 00:19:11.640 --> 00:19:17.480 to make decisions as rational rationally as we would normally be able to. We're 216 00:19:17.519 --> 00:19:22.240 not able to regulate our emotions as effectively as we would normally be able to. 217 00:19:22.680 --> 00:19:26.200 So the other part of the brain that's affected is that is what we 218 00:19:26.279 --> 00:19:33.279 call the amid dealer. Now, the amid dealers an almond sized part of 219 00:19:33.319 --> 00:19:37.839 the brain that's located towards the back of the head. It's so it's quite 220 00:19:37.960 --> 00:19:45.680 small and that it's very powerful. It's wired for survival, and this is 221 00:19:45.720 --> 00:19:48.839 the part of the brain that we call the alarm the alarm system. So 222 00:19:49.000 --> 00:19:55.799 when when we sense that there's a level of thread in our environment, that 223 00:19:56.039 --> 00:20:00.039 part of the brain kind of kicks off and sends message is to other parts 224 00:20:00.079 --> 00:20:04.640 of the body to glance in the body, and then we produce adrenaline and 225 00:20:04.759 --> 00:20:11.079 cortisol. But when that's over effective, the adrenaline and corticol is released in 226 00:20:11.240 --> 00:20:17.880 very high amounts and that can be detrimental to us. So then we become 227 00:20:18.039 --> 00:20:23.759 quite hyperactive. Then we become quite hyper vigilant, and then we become the 228 00:20:25.160 --> 00:20:30.400 anxiety levels actually arise, and the prefrontal cortex that we've just talked about, 229 00:20:30.480 --> 00:20:34.400 which is the rational part of the brain starts to shut down because we start 230 00:20:34.440 --> 00:20:38.559 to think that there's the danger that we have to address. We either have 231 00:20:38.720 --> 00:20:45.519 to fight back or flight or freeze to protect ourselves. So the amid dealer 232 00:20:45.640 --> 00:20:53.240 is hyperactive, the prefrontal cortex becomes less effective than it should be. The 233 00:20:53.279 --> 00:20:57.319 other part of the brain that gets impacted is the part of the brain that 234 00:20:57.359 --> 00:21:03.759 we call the hippocampus, and the hypocampus is responsible for kind of storing memory 235 00:21:04.279 --> 00:21:08.799 and being able to tell the difference between the past and the present. So 236 00:21:10.000 --> 00:21:15.440 it works to remember and make sense of anything that happens us, including trauma. 237 00:21:17.319 --> 00:21:26.720 But when we are exposed to trauma consistent a consistent on a consistent basis, 238 00:21:26.240 --> 00:21:32.960 then the hypo campus actually shrinks in the brain and so its ability to 239 00:21:33.000 --> 00:21:37.559 tell the difference between the past and present is diminished. So then what that 240 00:21:37.680 --> 00:21:45.519 means in terms of trauma is that we have the incidents played back in our 241 00:21:45.599 --> 00:21:52.599 minds as though it's happening in the present, because the functioning of the hippo 242 00:21:52.720 --> 00:21:56.960 campus is impaired. So those are the really I mean, other parts of 243 00:21:56.000 --> 00:21:59.920 the body do get impacted, but those are the parts of the brain. 244 00:22:00.079 --> 00:22:04.079 So that's the biology and that's the science behind what's happening with trauma. So 245 00:22:04.160 --> 00:22:11.279 when somebody experiences a trauma, what are the effects what happens as a result 246 00:22:11.400 --> 00:22:15.720 of all of those things that are happening or not happening in the brain. 247 00:22:15.240 --> 00:22:22.519 We have things like, you know, emotional overwhelmed because the prefrontal cortex is 248 00:22:22.559 --> 00:22:26.559 not able to regulate the emotions as it normally should be able to. We 249 00:22:26.720 --> 00:22:33.119 have things like flashbacks and nightmares because the hypocampus is not able to tell the 250 00:22:33.119 --> 00:22:37.480 difference between the past and the present, and so the past is playing back 251 00:22:38.000 --> 00:22:45.039 what happens as if it's happening in the present. And obviously we have things 252 00:22:45.160 --> 00:22:52.400 like what's something else numbing? You know, we just sometimes unable to connect 253 00:22:52.400 --> 00:22:57.799 with any emotions because the emotional part of the brain is not functioning. But 254 00:22:59.160 --> 00:23:03.880 you know, whatever is happening in the brain is impacting us from an emotional, 255 00:23:04.599 --> 00:23:10.960 physical, spiritual perspective. So in addition to all of those things that 256 00:23:11.039 --> 00:23:15.200 we experience as a direct effect of what's happening in the brain, we will 257 00:23:15.279 --> 00:23:21.759 experience things physically like panic attacks. We become hyper vigilant, and you know, 258 00:23:21.839 --> 00:23:25.480 we have high, very high levels of anxiety. We might think bout 259 00:23:25.519 --> 00:23:29.759 having a heart attack, we can't cope. We have things like self disruptive 260 00:23:29.759 --> 00:23:33.920 behaviors because we're just trying to escape from the pain. We might abuse substances 261 00:23:34.519 --> 00:23:41.960 or things like eating disorders, or we might become depressed or very irritable, 262 00:23:41.559 --> 00:23:48.640 losing interest in the things that we normally enjoy. Copelessness, we might dissociate 263 00:23:48.720 --> 00:23:52.759 from what's happening around us, hype of vigilance, little or non memories. 264 00:23:52.799 --> 00:24:00.359 Because our people campus is affected, we might experience feelings of shame, self 265 00:24:00.400 --> 00:24:06.680 hatred builds. I mean, there's so much chronic pain, headaches because when 266 00:24:06.680 --> 00:24:11.480 we have too much adrenaline and cortisol going on because the amid dealer has been 267 00:24:12.279 --> 00:24:18.079 kind of triggered, then we have too much of the chemicals that we don't 268 00:24:18.119 --> 00:24:23.599 need in the body, and that actually causes us to have maybe our heart 269 00:24:23.680 --> 00:24:27.559 baits faster, we have headaches, we have chest pains, or we have 270 00:24:27.839 --> 00:24:37.359 kind of somatic adverse experiences. So the effects of trauma are really really wide 271 00:24:37.440 --> 00:24:42.920 ranging, and anything that affects us mentally is also likely to affect us physically 272 00:24:44.000 --> 00:24:49.880 as well as emotionally and as well as spiritually. So types of trauma. 273 00:24:51.079 --> 00:24:56.440 We talked about this being kind of PTSD awareness weak or period. But we 274 00:24:56.599 --> 00:25:04.880 have what we call simple PTSD and we have complex PTSD. Now, simple 275 00:25:06.000 --> 00:25:11.759 PTSD really normally is related to just one single event, but that's kind of 276 00:25:11.839 --> 00:25:18.119 quite a big significant thing that happens. So say, for example, there's 277 00:25:18.160 --> 00:25:25.519 a car accident, or there's a there's a hurricane and that's kind of very 278 00:25:25.559 --> 00:25:30.440 destructive, or somebody experiences sexual assault. All of those things can be a 279 00:25:30.559 --> 00:25:38.680 single event that has very high impact on our mental and emotional wellbeing. And 280 00:25:40.079 --> 00:25:48.480 some of the symptoms of simple PTSD could include things like nightmares, flashbacks, 281 00:25:48.920 --> 00:25:56.759 negative kind of cognitions, aggression, and avoidance. Avoidance is a big one 282 00:25:56.839 --> 00:26:00.359 because what we try to do is we try to avoid anything connected to that 283 00:26:00.519 --> 00:26:07.039 event, maybe the location of the event, maybe anything that sounds like anything 284 00:26:07.079 --> 00:26:11.880 that sounded at the time the event happened, any smell that's kind of similar 285 00:26:11.960 --> 00:26:18.759 to when that event happens. So that simple PTOs is say what we normally 286 00:26:18.799 --> 00:26:22.599 call that is trauma with a big TA because it's a one time event but 287 00:26:22.680 --> 00:26:30.440 it's quite significant. But then we also have complex trauma, and complex trauma 288 00:26:30.519 --> 00:26:37.440 is related to prolonged or repeated trauma, and that can develop after abuse over 289 00:26:37.480 --> 00:26:41.119 a long period of time, or neglect over a long period of time. 290 00:26:41.160 --> 00:26:45.359 It could be over months, it could be over years. We call that 291 00:26:45.440 --> 00:26:52.759 trauma with a small TA And sometimes this is trauma that people don't People actually 292 00:26:52.960 --> 00:26:56.200 normally can be quite dismissive about this trauma. They can say, well, 293 00:26:56.240 --> 00:27:00.240 oh well, don't worry about it. You know, don't worry about that 294 00:27:00.640 --> 00:27:03.079 child in the playground who tried to believe you. It's not a big deal. 295 00:27:03.359 --> 00:27:08.119 But if you know, if neglect or abuse is occurring, even on 296 00:27:08.200 --> 00:27:14.319 a small scale over a long period of time, that eventually becomes quite complex 297 00:27:14.359 --> 00:27:19.079 and becomes PTSD as well. And you know, there are a lot of 298 00:27:19.119 --> 00:27:27.680 people with things like some personality disorders and some additional mental health problems, so 299 00:27:27.839 --> 00:27:36.160 depression, anxiety, but in addition things like eating disorders, things like psychosis 300 00:27:37.680 --> 00:27:42.720 and schizophrenia. Those more complex mental health problems can be as a result of 301 00:27:42.799 --> 00:27:51.440 complex PTSD. PTSD so some of the symptoms could include difficulty in regulating our 302 00:27:51.519 --> 00:27:55.599 emotions. You know. Sometimes I don't know, people can say I can 303 00:27:55.640 --> 00:27:59.680 go from zero to eight hundred very quickly. I find it very difficult to 304 00:28:00.000 --> 00:28:04.720 find a way to soothe myself, to regulate my emotions. Sometimes people can 305 00:28:04.759 --> 00:28:12.599 be very impulsive and normally people who are kind of maybe suicidal or self coming 306 00:28:14.440 --> 00:28:19.759 can have a background of complex PTSD. People may have trouble sleeping as well 307 00:28:19.799 --> 00:28:26.200 because of the nightmares, flashbacks of past experiences, and you know, we 308 00:28:26.279 --> 00:28:33.440 have to remember that trauma brings up memories involuntarily, so we don't necessarily plan 309 00:28:33.920 --> 00:28:41.200 to think about certain things. Sometimes we get fragments of historical experiences involuntarily, 310 00:28:41.319 --> 00:28:45.359 and sometimes that's very difficult, and it can cause a lot of problems with 311 00:28:45.880 --> 00:28:51.480 sleep. And as a result, a lot of people have chronic physical health 312 00:28:51.519 --> 00:28:56.279 problems chest pains, headaches, things that would be investigated, and the medics 313 00:28:56.279 --> 00:29:03.240 would find it very difficult to actually diagnose anything physically that some of that could 314 00:29:03.240 --> 00:29:07.559 be as a result of the complex trauma. And then the obvious things like 315 00:29:07.640 --> 00:29:15.039 self hate, people with having poor memory and difficulties trusting people, hostility, 316 00:29:15.440 --> 00:29:22.960 relational difficulties are all kind of consequences of complex trauma as well. So how 317 00:29:23.039 --> 00:29:30.200 is trauma manifested? Like we've kind of mentioned before, anxiety people become hyper 318 00:29:30.279 --> 00:29:36.160 vigilant because the part of the brain that's the alarm system. Raises an alarm, 319 00:29:36.519 --> 00:29:41.519 we think that there's a threat in the environment all the time after experiencing 320 00:29:41.200 --> 00:29:47.839 either simple PTSD or complex PTSD, and so we become quite fearful and we 321 00:29:48.559 --> 00:29:57.039 become quite edgy and quite vigilant. So anxiety is normally a byproduct of PTSD 322 00:30:00.519 --> 00:30:07.519 as well. So emotional pain or discomfort that doesn't get dealt with is normally 323 00:30:07.559 --> 00:30:11.920 buried. So I have on the screen a picture of an iceberg, and 324 00:30:12.319 --> 00:30:18.720 you know, normally anger that we see is normally secondary emotion when it comes 325 00:30:18.759 --> 00:30:26.519 to trauma, the primary emotions are buried under the iceberg. So if we 326 00:30:26.720 --> 00:30:30.799 know about the icebergs, will know that most of it is normally submerged and 327 00:30:32.039 --> 00:30:36.960 underwater. And then what we see is just like a tenth of the iceberg. 328 00:30:37.279 --> 00:30:42.279 And what we're seeing with anger is just this secondary emotion, but underneath 329 00:30:42.440 --> 00:30:48.000 the anger. Normally, when people have like experienced PTSD, either simple or 330 00:30:48.039 --> 00:30:53.559 complex PTSD, it's a lot of maybe guilds, a lot of shame, 331 00:30:53.960 --> 00:31:02.119 feelings of abandonment, feelings of sadness, feeling offended, be humiliated, trapped, 332 00:31:03.240 --> 00:31:07.480 jealous, may be insecure, defeated, lonely, confused, nervous, 333 00:31:07.519 --> 00:31:15.880 manipulated, disconnected, So you name it feeling belittled. If you've been neglected, 334 00:31:15.960 --> 00:31:18.920 if you've been abused over a long period of time, it's quite likely 335 00:31:19.079 --> 00:31:26.920 that you will experience one or more of these emotions if they're not addressed, 336 00:31:26.079 --> 00:31:30.799 If you if we don't recognize them for what they are and say, well, 337 00:31:30.920 --> 00:31:36.039 this is quite traumatic. This must have made you feel sad, This 338 00:31:36.160 --> 00:31:42.440 must have made you feel helpless or lonely or maybe betrayed. If we don't 339 00:31:42.519 --> 00:31:48.240 address and validate those feelings, they don't they don't just go away. We 340 00:31:48.599 --> 00:31:55.839 carry them unconsciously around and they will manifest as anger. So sometimes when we 341 00:31:56.240 --> 00:32:01.440 when we feel angry out of proportion to what's just happened, it might be 342 00:32:01.480 --> 00:32:08.920 that we are being triggered by a memory that's quite traumatic. And then obviously 343 00:32:10.039 --> 00:32:17.920 depression. Depression is another way in which trauma is manifested. Again, if 344 00:32:17.960 --> 00:32:23.039 we think about the iceberg iceberg theory, we see depression at the top of 345 00:32:23.079 --> 00:32:30.039 the at the tip of the iceberg, but actually underneath are probably feelings of 346 00:32:30.440 --> 00:32:37.200 maybe guilt, maybe emptiness, maybe anxiety, anger, numbness, all of 347 00:32:37.240 --> 00:32:40.240 those things. Are happening. You know, betrayal, you know, our 348 00:32:40.519 --> 00:32:45.759 helplessness. All of those emotions you know, if they're not addressed, will 349 00:32:45.759 --> 00:32:54.319 make us feel depressed eventually, so I will. I think that's quite a 350 00:32:54.359 --> 00:32:59.759 fair bit of information. I think we'll take it pause there and when we 351 00:32:59.799 --> 00:33:05.559 come back, we'll talk about trauma as a strong fold back to your saying 352 00:33:06.160 --> 00:33:08.440 thank you, Alison. I'm busy scribbling, as I have been throughout the 353 00:33:08.480 --> 00:33:15.799 series. I feel like I've gone to sort of a biology lesson. It's 354 00:33:15.880 --> 00:33:21.400 really full and rich, and again, thank you so much for me and 355 00:33:21.400 --> 00:33:23.640 Agie. I'm not sure if you've got any questions or any comments, and 356 00:33:23.920 --> 00:33:27.759 just enough, please feel free. If you don't want to come onto the 357 00:33:27.799 --> 00:33:32.079 mic, then pop your question on the message and we will share that with 358 00:33:32.160 --> 00:33:37.720 Alison or the rest of our listeners. But for me, Alison, what 359 00:33:37.880 --> 00:33:42.240 struck me in what you've just said is how far reaching the effects of trauma 360 00:33:42.359 --> 00:33:45.680 can be. And I don't know if I'm jumping ahead. I probably am, 361 00:33:45.000 --> 00:33:50.079 and you'll come to that, but for me, it's how will one 362 00:33:50.200 --> 00:33:55.279 know that what is manifesting, what's above water, as it were, based 363 00:33:55.319 --> 00:34:00.759 on your analogy, is because of trauma because there's so many other things that 364 00:34:00.799 --> 00:34:05.200 could be going on. Or is it always trauma if I'm if I'm depressed, 365 00:34:05.279 --> 00:34:10.679 if I'm if I am struggling with sleep, if I can't moderate my 366 00:34:12.280 --> 00:34:19.320 anger and my emotions. Is there always an underlying traumatic event that maybe I 367 00:34:19.400 --> 00:34:24.360 haven't really sort of discovered or focused on. Is that at what point then 368 00:34:24.360 --> 00:34:28.000 do I? Or is at this point that I go to the doctor or 369 00:34:28.079 --> 00:34:30.559 to to you know, a therapist and so forth and try to unpack what 370 00:34:30.760 --> 00:34:36.320 might be going on with me. So does that make sense? It does? 371 00:34:36.440 --> 00:34:38.639 It does absolutely. So what you're trying to do is look for the 372 00:34:38.920 --> 00:34:45.039 tell tale signs like this is actually as a result of trauma, not not 373 00:34:45.239 --> 00:34:51.639 just anything else. So I'd just like to say that every every behavior has 374 00:34:51.679 --> 00:34:58.360 a has a root and has a function, and it's likely that you know, 375 00:34:58.599 --> 00:35:01.920 it's as a result topic trauma, or it's likely that it's as a 376 00:35:01.960 --> 00:35:07.039 result of something else. But how we know is we can think of, 377 00:35:08.239 --> 00:35:15.639 right, the way in which I'm behaving, is it proportionate to actually the 378 00:35:15.679 --> 00:35:20.360 situation, the circumstances around me. Now, if there's an overreaction, then 379 00:35:20.400 --> 00:35:23.280 it's wise to think, Okay, when was the last time when it's another 380 00:35:23.360 --> 00:35:28.400 time that I felt this way and another time that I felt this way, 381 00:35:28.440 --> 00:35:34.639 because that could lead you to a traumatic situation. And how was that handle? 382 00:35:34.800 --> 00:35:37.559 How was that address? How did I feel at that time? Did 383 00:35:37.599 --> 00:35:44.239 I feel like really threatened? Did I feel like my life was in danger? 384 00:35:44.360 --> 00:35:49.280 Did I feel completely helpless? Do I have flashbacks about this situation? 385 00:35:49.480 --> 00:35:55.760 Is there any situation in my life that I have difficulties kind of moving on 386 00:35:55.960 --> 00:36:02.840 from because I have things that just bring but either the whole memory or bits 387 00:36:02.880 --> 00:36:09.280 of memory, because you know, some of these very strong reactions, it's 388 00:36:09.599 --> 00:36:16.119 likely that that connected to something else in the past. Otherwise your response would 389 00:36:16.159 --> 00:36:22.800 be proportionate to the situation at hand. So by yourself you can you can 390 00:36:22.880 --> 00:36:31.000 do a bit of kind of analysis. However, if you arrive at the 391 00:36:31.039 --> 00:36:35.719 point where you think, oh, there's something in my past that's and you 392 00:36:35.760 --> 00:36:37.400 know, what happens is a lot of people just try to get on, 393 00:36:38.079 --> 00:36:43.119 just just keep going, depending on the culture. For some cultures are very 394 00:36:43.199 --> 00:36:45.559 much for you know, just keep going, You're going to be okay or 395 00:36:45.559 --> 00:36:50.199 pray about it is going to be fine. But we have to understand that, 396 00:36:50.360 --> 00:36:53.440 you know, when it comes to trauma, there are things that are 397 00:36:53.519 --> 00:36:59.760 happening in your brain as part of a natural process because something's gone wrong. 398 00:37:00.159 --> 00:37:06.239 It's not you not wanting to move on, it's your brain playing back information 399 00:37:06.480 --> 00:37:12.400 because the hippocampus has not been able to function and store things as memory. 400 00:37:12.800 --> 00:37:17.360 The frontal cortex is not able to regulate the emotions as it should. So 401 00:37:17.440 --> 00:37:22.400 I think it's you know, as human beings, we are integrated beings. 402 00:37:22.440 --> 00:37:28.360 We're integrated with our present and our past are quite integrated, so it's really 403 00:37:28.400 --> 00:37:32.960 really important. But we look out for the connections in our history or in 404 00:37:34.000 --> 00:37:43.599 our earlier or significant experiences because it's likely that those experiences are triggers. And 405 00:37:43.920 --> 00:37:47.000 you know, what's happening in the year and now is triggering memories from what's 406 00:37:47.000 --> 00:37:53.320 happening. So if your response is disproportionate to the situation at hand, then 407 00:37:53.760 --> 00:38:00.599 I'd say you need to investigate a bit more by just reflecting when another time 408 00:38:00.639 --> 00:38:07.800 I felt this way. And if you're consciously and intentionally trying to avoid you 409 00:38:07.840 --> 00:38:10.840 know, reflecting or thinking of that thing that's happening in the past, because 410 00:38:10.920 --> 00:38:19.000 avoidance is one of the really big symptoms of PTSD, then you know that 411 00:38:19.599 --> 00:38:22.880 it's likely that this trauma in the But then at that point you need to 412 00:38:22.880 --> 00:38:28.440 go to it like mental health professional or go to a GP to get referred 413 00:38:28.480 --> 00:38:32.760 to a mental health professional and get yourself assessed for trauma. There are quite 414 00:38:32.760 --> 00:38:38.480 specific assessments for PTSD. Yeah, and when you as you're talking, I'm 415 00:38:38.480 --> 00:38:44.519 thinking that these cases may more relate to those small teas that you're talking about. 416 00:38:44.800 --> 00:38:47.000 If it's a catastrophic or a very big tea, then you may be 417 00:38:47.000 --> 00:38:52.719 able to pinpoint what has caused this. But it's those small teas, you 418 00:38:52.760 --> 00:38:55.519 know, the abuse as a child by your father or whatever, or sexual 419 00:38:55.559 --> 00:39:01.239 abuse or that kind of those kinds of certain stances that might manifest themselves. 420 00:39:01.280 --> 00:39:04.960 And you know, you may be in a relationship and you're not sure why 421 00:39:05.000 --> 00:39:08.480 you're responding to your husband or your wife that when it could be those underlying 422 00:39:08.519 --> 00:39:15.119 issues. Absolutely, it's it's like a chain reaction, and you know, 423 00:39:15.559 --> 00:39:19.599 and I just I just want to highlight that abuse is not always active. 424 00:39:20.320 --> 00:39:22.719 You know, abuse can be very passive. So if you know, if 425 00:39:22.719 --> 00:39:30.519 you're emotionally unavailable to your child or this neglect, you can give them all 426 00:39:30.559 --> 00:39:37.119 of the designer shoes and foods but they need. But you know, I 427 00:39:37.159 --> 00:39:39.840 mean it's the truth because you know, I think often, you know, 428 00:39:40.039 --> 00:39:44.639 we live in society where we think, but what's the problem. I give 429 00:39:44.639 --> 00:39:49.800 you everything you need, but you know, fundamentally we need the emotional availability 430 00:39:50.000 --> 00:39:55.079 of the people who are who God has entrusted to look after us. And 431 00:39:55.320 --> 00:40:02.440 I think essentially that's what offers the security and the confidence and the ability to 432 00:40:02.519 --> 00:40:07.679 trust and get by in life. And if that's consistently missing, that that 433 00:40:07.880 --> 00:40:15.400 is a traumatic experience because that's not the natural design. Oh that's a powerful 434 00:40:15.440 --> 00:40:20.400 word right there, Angie. I noticed you dropped out. I'm not sure 435 00:40:20.440 --> 00:40:22.519 what you've missed and what you've caught, But do you have a question at 436 00:40:22.559 --> 00:40:28.599 the point, I guess that it's funny because when I was thinking about this, 437 00:40:28.960 --> 00:40:30.599 I mean, I guess now because in terms of the work that I 438 00:40:30.639 --> 00:40:34.920 do, what have you have an aware as of awareness of PTSD. But 439 00:40:34.960 --> 00:40:40.159 I always remember when I think back equating PTSD with something that was linked with 440 00:40:40.280 --> 00:40:45.079 war veterans. I never really kind of thought of it in terms of something 441 00:40:45.159 --> 00:40:52.559 that your average everyday person could suffer from. It was something that and obviously 442 00:40:52.599 --> 00:40:57.000 that's linking into the kind of big traumas of war, what have You'd hear 443 00:40:57.039 --> 00:41:00.320 that kind of use quite a lot. So it's really interesting now we see 444 00:41:00.320 --> 00:41:04.360 again this is where our awareness months and days and weeks with red you come 445 00:41:04.400 --> 00:41:07.880 in handy as it were, because I never really recognized I'm saying that on 446 00:41:07.960 --> 00:41:13.920 reflection that PTSD was kind of a thing, that it's a disorder that you 447 00:41:13.960 --> 00:41:19.039 know, people can can be suffering from. And I guess also, I 448 00:41:19.039 --> 00:41:22.559 guess I wanted to then find out with that in terms of sort of numbers, 449 00:41:22.599 --> 00:41:29.000 in terms of how prevalent PTSD is, because would would with your average 450 00:41:29.039 --> 00:41:34.239 person recognize that's what they're going through and equate it to that or possibly not, 451 00:41:35.400 --> 00:41:38.519 because obviously you're talking about some of these symptoms and we can kind of 452 00:41:38.800 --> 00:41:44.719 link those to lots of other things. Possibly how with somebody been apart from 453 00:41:44.760 --> 00:41:49.519 going to obviously a professional, you would necessarily know that's what you're experiencing. 454 00:41:49.559 --> 00:41:52.920 So I kind of wonder, you know how prevalent it is in terms of 455 00:41:52.119 --> 00:41:58.760 numbers man people you know, and is it something that's seen more in women 456 00:41:59.440 --> 00:42:02.079 or in men, or is it kind of numbers by split quite even? 457 00:42:02.119 --> 00:42:07.480 I should say, I mean, I can say set definitely, Angie that 458 00:42:07.559 --> 00:42:12.440 we're saying more and more and more of it, and you know what we 459 00:42:12.639 --> 00:42:17.559 used to kind of see us just maybe anxiety in the past or you know, 460 00:42:19.039 --> 00:42:22.519 or depression in the past. Actually, more and more people are being 461 00:42:22.880 --> 00:42:30.280 kind of diagnosed with PTSD, so it's quite it's quite prevalent. I acologies 462 00:42:30.400 --> 00:42:37.920 haven't looked up the data before before before the show, But there's no particular 463 00:42:37.000 --> 00:42:42.880 group of people that it impacts more than others, men, women, children, 464 00:42:43.320 --> 00:42:50.039 everybody. I think I would say typically at least at least seventy percent 465 00:42:50.320 --> 00:42:57.559 of clients I see have some trauma in their in their narrative. Whether or 466 00:42:57.639 --> 00:43:00.719 not we actually where on the trauma is it's another thing. But you know, 467 00:43:00.760 --> 00:43:06.199 it's very easy to identify, and you know, let's just remember especially 468 00:43:06.239 --> 00:43:15.000 depression. Depression is one of those illnesses that is co mobid with things like 469 00:43:15.159 --> 00:43:20.119 trauma and other things like low SELVI esteem. But how do these things come 470 00:43:20.199 --> 00:43:27.599 about. It's normally something's happened in some of this past that has had a 471 00:43:27.679 --> 00:43:31.639 huge impact on them, either on a consistent on a over a period of 472 00:43:31.639 --> 00:43:37.320 time or as a one time event. So you know, trauma, trauma, 473 00:43:37.519 --> 00:43:44.639 is actually very prevalent, unfortunately, and and it's something that you know, 474 00:43:44.679 --> 00:43:46.800 if you think, if you if you suspect that you've got PTSD, 475 00:43:49.320 --> 00:43:52.760 it needs professional help to treat. It's not one of those things that you 476 00:43:52.800 --> 00:43:54.880 can just say, I'm just gonna, you know, do some exercise. 477 00:43:55.280 --> 00:44:01.800 We need to systematically follow a protocol or a where your treatment and safely right, 478 00:44:01.920 --> 00:44:08.559 because a lot of people who are experiencing a type of PTSD are not 479 00:44:08.760 --> 00:44:15.800 safe at all, feel very unsafe, and there is a high potentially higher 480 00:44:15.880 --> 00:44:22.119 risk associotypic traumas or higher risk of harming themselves of harming other people as well. 481 00:44:22.199 --> 00:44:24.480 And following off with that, would you say that you know, a 482 00:44:24.480 --> 00:44:29.960 lot of mental health disorders and difficulties, there's a lot of stigma surrounding it. 483 00:44:30.000 --> 00:44:32.000 Is that quite similar with PTSD? Or you know, because I was 484 00:44:32.039 --> 00:44:37.480 kind of wonder people may experience a traumatic event and not really think depending on 485 00:44:37.519 --> 00:44:38.400 what it is, may not think much of it. They kind of say, 486 00:44:38.440 --> 00:44:40.760 right, I've got to get back to normal or to get back to 487 00:44:40.760 --> 00:44:44.760 st what I'm doing, and even though they may be struggling, may not 488 00:44:44.840 --> 00:44:47.840 actually go and seek help for whatever. Woman's one hundred and one reasons I'm 489 00:44:47.840 --> 00:44:51.480 sure. So I wonder if there's still this sort of there is a stigma 490 00:44:51.519 --> 00:44:54.480 around it as well, you know, saying where that maybe there are for 491 00:44:54.599 --> 00:45:00.639 some other disorders. There is there is stigma, not in the sense that 492 00:45:00.760 --> 00:45:04.559 people think, well, I've got trauma, so I mean, I feel 493 00:45:04.559 --> 00:45:07.599 embarrassed about it. There's stigma because they don't name it right, they don't 494 00:45:08.000 --> 00:45:16.159 necessarily name it as trauma. I think there's less stigma around the simple PTSD 495 00:45:16.480 --> 00:45:22.079 because everyone understands that. You know, if you're in a car accident or 496 00:45:22.239 --> 00:45:25.360 a close member of your family passes away, that's quite a difficult experience. 497 00:45:25.440 --> 00:45:30.280 So you know, the stigma there is less where there's more stigmas around the 498 00:45:30.320 --> 00:45:36.480 complex trauma. And that even makes it more complex because people are not willing 499 00:45:36.559 --> 00:45:40.519 to kind of disclose. They would see it as a sign that they're not 500 00:45:40.639 --> 00:45:46.920 resilient enough, or they have very little self worth or self esteem, and 501 00:45:47.000 --> 00:45:52.719 so the riddles with shame, with guilt, They doubt whether they are even 502 00:45:52.960 --> 00:45:59.039 entitled to feel that way. And you know, we'll see later on when 503 00:45:59.039 --> 00:46:02.639 I talk about supporting people with trauma. I'm just gonna say it now that 504 00:46:02.760 --> 00:46:07.679 it's very important that we identify it as trauma. We call it by name 505 00:46:08.159 --> 00:46:13.480 rather than saying, oh, you know it was your upbringing or because that 506 00:46:13.719 --> 00:46:20.239 then really makes it very dismissive. But we actually identify it as the trauma 507 00:46:20.360 --> 00:46:24.519 so that people can feel empowered to be able to do something to address it. 508 00:46:24.800 --> 00:46:30.039 So it's not so that the stigma is not around the fact that trauma 509 00:46:30.239 --> 00:46:34.960 is a terrible thing to have experienced. The stigma is around the fact that 510 00:46:36.079 --> 00:46:39.079 people are worried about how they would be seen as not being able to cope, 511 00:46:39.199 --> 00:46:45.159 or maybe not being spiritual enough or prayer full enough. But it's it's 512 00:46:45.199 --> 00:46:50.800 quite sad, right because you know these symptoms you can't you can't actually help 513 00:46:50.840 --> 00:46:53.719 them. You know, the things that happen to you, they are not 514 00:46:53.800 --> 00:47:01.159 things that you make happen. Yeah, yeah, and that's true. Right. 515 00:47:01.400 --> 00:47:05.639 I am going to take a short break, let that settle in, 516 00:47:05.800 --> 00:47:08.119 sink in with our listeners, with ourselves, and then we'll come back and 517 00:47:08.199 --> 00:47:15.239 continue. There's a question also, Yes, there's a question that's been asked 518 00:47:15.960 --> 00:47:22.239 by our and by Justina. She's saying, if a person didn't receive emotional 519 00:47:22.280 --> 00:47:24.360 support from their parents as a child, and the child grows to be an 520 00:47:24.400 --> 00:47:29.719 adult and the adult is aware of it and wants to change. Would the 521 00:47:29.760 --> 00:47:34.079 adult that need counseling to be able to learn how to change and how to 522 00:47:34.119 --> 00:47:38.639 provide emotional support to their children, their own children. I think you touched 523 00:47:38.679 --> 00:47:44.880 a little bit on that. Yes, I mean, yes, it's sometimes 524 00:47:44.920 --> 00:47:50.719 if a person didn't receive emotional support from their parents, but then find as 525 00:47:50.719 --> 00:47:55.199 they go through life, find an environment that's quite validating and quite supporting. 526 00:47:55.360 --> 00:48:01.400 So maybe later on in life from their teach child or mentor or something that 527 00:48:01.440 --> 00:48:06.840 are close to maybe their auntie, uncle, extended family, that can actually 528 00:48:06.880 --> 00:48:14.360 repair the wounds, depending on how effective that that relationship is, that can 529 00:48:14.440 --> 00:48:17.440 build a secure attachment. So, you know, the lack of emotional support 530 00:48:17.480 --> 00:48:22.519 from parents obviously ends up in an insecure attachment, and you know there's all 531 00:48:22.559 --> 00:48:28.360 sorts of problems that come with people being insecurely attached. But you know, 532 00:48:28.599 --> 00:48:31.960 it doesn't mean that if we had an insecure attachment at childhood, were always 533 00:48:31.960 --> 00:48:37.039 going to be insecurely attached, because we could later in life meet people who 534 00:48:37.079 --> 00:48:40.880 are very loving, very supportive, very validating, and that could actually help 535 00:48:40.960 --> 00:48:45.519 us grow in our confidence and enable us to have the tools to be able 536 00:48:45.519 --> 00:48:50.800 to give that to other people as well. But you know, sometimes we 537 00:48:50.840 --> 00:48:55.599 don't always notice some of the impacts of this lack of support, and some 538 00:48:55.679 --> 00:49:00.960 of the impacts could be unnoticed until we actually start to have children ourselves, 539 00:49:01.280 --> 00:49:05.719 and then we start to realize, oh, actually I was really affected by 540 00:49:05.719 --> 00:49:09.000 this. I don't actually really know how to give the love and affection to 541 00:49:09.039 --> 00:49:14.400 my own children in that in that If that's the case, then please do 542 00:49:14.559 --> 00:49:20.840 get some child's counseling, seek some help, speak to somebody who understands attachments 543 00:49:21.280 --> 00:49:25.239 and works with adverirst childhood experiences, and make sure that you get some help, 544 00:49:25.320 --> 00:49:30.960 because that child, that little girl, that little boy who didn't get 545 00:49:30.960 --> 00:49:37.400 that support needs to be reparented in a way that they can feel validated and 546 00:49:37.519 --> 00:49:42.599 conflict because they will need to give that to their children. And you can't 547 00:49:42.840 --> 00:49:46.000 give what you don't have. So if you notice at any point that you 548 00:49:46.039 --> 00:49:52.280 don't feel equip but that there will say void earlier on in life, then 549 00:49:52.320 --> 00:49:54.880 please to get the help. You owe it to yourself to get that help. 550 00:49:55.679 --> 00:50:00.679 Wonderful, Thank you, Alison, thank you for the question. And 551 00:50:00.840 --> 00:50:05.239 obviously that just speaks to how we need to. I mean, I can't 552 00:50:05.320 --> 00:50:07.639 drive the point home enough. We need to get the help that we need. 553 00:50:08.480 --> 00:50:14.760 We need to seek support. We can't suffer in silence if nothing else. 554 00:50:15.159 --> 00:50:17.519 That's what I hope people take away from this program that we are able 555 00:50:17.559 --> 00:50:22.000 to and we can. There's no shame in it, you know, if 556 00:50:22.000 --> 00:50:24.199 you need help, get the help, because we need to stop these cycles. 557 00:50:24.480 --> 00:50:28.400 If I'm a parent and I haven't had the love and the connections that 558 00:50:28.440 --> 00:50:30.199 I needed to have as a child, I can't give it. Then the 559 00:50:30.239 --> 00:50:34.760 cycle continues, doesn't it. I then raise a child who doesn't have that 560 00:50:34.800 --> 00:50:37.559 support and won't be able to give it. And you know it's generations and 561 00:50:37.840 --> 00:50:42.920 the consequence is long lasting. So if we need the help, and I 562 00:50:42.960 --> 00:50:45.159 speak to our men as well, who are very I mean, Alison, 563 00:50:45.199 --> 00:50:49.360 I know you said that there's a you know, there's no real difference in 564 00:50:49.400 --> 00:50:53.159 who comes and who's asking. But we know that our men sometimes shy away 565 00:50:53.159 --> 00:50:59.039 from I mean, even the common common cold or whatever they may have. 566 00:50:59.119 --> 00:51:01.119 They don't want to go to the tor about moreover, you know, serious 567 00:51:01.199 --> 00:51:05.559 issues that they may be dealing with and dealing with in silence. So we 568 00:51:05.639 --> 00:51:09.840 want to just reiterate, please please seek the support that you need. All 569 00:51:09.880 --> 00:51:13.079 right, I'm going to take a break. We're going to hear from ORLANDA. 570 00:51:13.119 --> 00:51:16.079 Adams. The battle is the Lord's. I'm going to also play the 571 00:51:16.280 --> 00:51:21.320 Cornerstone Counseling Service adverts. So if you want to make a note of that 572 00:51:21.519 --> 00:51:30.559 number, that's a resource as well that you can tap into. What are 573 00:51:30.559 --> 00:51:32.480 you trying to say? Your line and look forget about all that other junk. 574 00:51:32.559 --> 00:51:39.320 This battle ain't yours. It's all make them out and then so shout 575 00:51:45.800 --> 00:52:07.039 help me say no pay Jesus kid, feed therest book heart that he can 576 00:52:07.719 --> 00:52:22.800 died. He all things w yes, they do according to the fastest purpose. 577 00:52:23.320 --> 00:52:31.760 And this whole you will your madala, you and balcony I'm going through. 578 00:52:35.280 --> 00:52:42.679 Remember the god of the wolves a chance to use it for the battle. 579 00:52:43.840 --> 00:52:51.760 He is not a gets the boat. We're gonna tell the hello that 580 00:52:51.840 --> 00:53:10.960 all right, that's no sadiness. Jesus cann sid that the pister is not 581 00:53:12.239 --> 00:53:22.239 able and willing to hate. Remember that rule there. They're not gonna be 582 00:53:22.320 --> 00:53:32.480 all good, but they shall on recording to God's purpose and his call medal. 583 00:53:34.679 --> 00:53:38.719 No matter what you're going with, Broom the timber. God sees all 584 00:53:38.800 --> 00:53:45.280 that it knows as all it wants to do is choose you. Oh dispatch 585 00:53:45.360 --> 00:53:58.360 honess it notes, it's instance. It's the law, if not the laws 586 00:54:07.480 --> 00:54:13.119 God, And think you got a hold feel head, had you belong to 587 00:54:13.239 --> 00:54:22.760 the most men. You don't need fur. It's the wall, it's the 588 00:54:22.880 --> 00:54:42.119 body. Say, no matter what you're going through, her piper is gonna 589 00:54:42.159 --> 00:54:51.000 be Aura. He's just choosing no matter what you're happen to go through. 590 00:54:51.239 --> 00:54:57.000 Man with pimper, this will be a memo for God is only choosing it. 591 00:54:59.000 --> 00:55:04.960 It's not to have babe. You got to knowing your hot no matter 592 00:55:05.039 --> 00:55:14.800 what comes, no matter what, don't he look he lock the battle. 593 00:55:14.880 --> 00:55:21.840 It's not you. He be the tres approaching nice God. I'm like, 594 00:55:21.920 --> 00:55:30.440 you got to hold up, hold down, old, don't get up, 595 00:55:31.039 --> 00:55:40.760 don't get don't get step out of step out, one step out on the 596 00:55:40.800 --> 00:55:52.679 word. This song says, God's mercy kept me so I wouldn't let go 597 00:55:54.559 --> 00:55:58.800 anybody in here ever felt like giving up, just throwing in the towel, 598 00:55:58.960 --> 00:56:01.480 just giving up. I'm not going to ask you to hunt anybody, but 599 00:56:01.599 --> 00:56:07.719 just look at him. That person you're looking at is here tonight only because 600 00:56:07.719 --> 00:56:13.679 of God's mercy and his grace. Somebody only just tell God, thank you 601 00:56:13.800 --> 00:57:02.840 for your mercy and your grace set kept me? Just a wait, God's 602 00:57:02.960 --> 00:57:08.920 mercy capt me. Can I get a witness in here so I would cool? 603 00:57:10.840 --> 00:57:24.400 I almost gave him most Okay, I must ride the edge of the 604 00:57:24.440 --> 00:57:38.360 break. I couldn't see de really, but Jesus came and grabbed me, 605 00:57:38.840 --> 00:57:51.079 and so God's mercy keptain. Gods mercy. Can I get a witness in 606 00:57:51.119 --> 00:58:09.360 here that knows about God's grace? So I'm here today because of his grand 607 00:58:29.440 --> 00:58:30.800 Come on, hunt somebody next to tell me I was really down. I 608 00:58:30.880 --> 00:58:36.039 was really down. The devil really had but God's mercy kept me. I'm 609 00:58:36.039 --> 00:58:39.559 here tonight because of God's mercy. Come on, no, just thank him, 610 00:58:39.719 --> 00:58:58.000 just thank him. I oh that I felt my I just couldn't take 611 00:58:58.079 --> 00:59:10.360 a life. You need more my problems handy down the question way down? 612 00:59:12.079 --> 00:59:24.719 God? Tell me, so I wouldn't lift god percy, so I wouldn't 613 00:59:24.800 --> 01:00:19.119 live all there can be? She did the same, girl, who yeah, 614 01:00:19.880 --> 01:00:28.960 you you don't know what I can through and how I would Russia happen 615 01:00:29.000 --> 01:00:46.159 is so far down that I didn't know who looks yeah, but all to 616 01:00:46.480 --> 01:00:58.880 become a teach. That's the son of my mama. Talk yeah, yeah, 617 01:00:58.960 --> 01:01:22.760 yeah. Are you struggling to cope with life? Conflict, bereavement, 618 01:01:22.079 --> 01:01:30.920 fear, relationship, anger, depression, negative thoughts, trauma and uncertainty can 619 01:01:30.000 --> 01:01:38.440 all cause emotional imbalance. Don't struggle alone. CCS, your trusted confidential Counseling 620 01:01:38.480 --> 01:01:44.119 service, is here for you. Call our listening line on zero double three 621 01:01:44.280 --> 01:01:50.159 zero one double three two nine four five, our office line for appointments on 622 01:01:50.400 --> 01:01:55.320 zero two zero double seven two three eight zero five zero, or visit our 623 01:01:55.360 --> 01:02:05.320 website www dot CCS dot org dot UK. Our counselors speak various languages. 624 01:02:06.039 --> 01:02:13.079 CCS a shoulder to lean on. We are here to listen. Welcome back 625 01:02:13.079 --> 01:02:17.119 to Talking Point and we're bringing down strongholds. Continuing the series with Alison A. 626 01:02:17.159 --> 01:02:24.400 Waku and today we're dealing with trauma. Alison, Okay, thank you, 627 01:02:24.719 --> 01:02:29.360 thank you. Xanya. So you know, we've looked at we did 628 01:02:29.360 --> 01:02:31.400 a bit of a recap at the starts, and then we looked at what 629 01:02:31.480 --> 01:02:37.360 trauma is. We looked at the two main types of trauma, simple PTSD 630 01:02:37.639 --> 01:02:44.119 and complex PTSD, and we looked at how trauma is typically manifested as anxiety, 631 01:02:44.320 --> 01:02:49.760 depression, anger. Now what we're going to talk about is trauma as 632 01:02:49.880 --> 01:02:54.159 a stronghold. So the series is all about bringing down strongholds, and trauma 633 01:02:55.360 --> 01:03:04.679 can be quite a detrimental. So, just by way of kind of grounding 634 01:03:04.719 --> 01:03:10.519 ourselves as Christians, our central belief is based on a God whose nature is 635 01:03:10.599 --> 01:03:15.639 love and whose purpose for each one of us is to live life fully and 636 01:03:16.440 --> 01:03:22.159 more abundantly. And in the Bible as we know, as we've read in 637 01:03:22.199 --> 01:03:27.000 the beginning, Christ said I have come that day that we may have life, 638 01:03:27.079 --> 01:03:30.440 and that we might may have been more abundantly. So each one of 639 01:03:30.519 --> 01:03:37.519 us has the capacity to experience the fullness of God's immeasurable love and abundant life, 640 01:03:38.079 --> 01:03:45.239 and to experience his peace and bad love. However, however, unfortunately, 641 01:03:45.719 --> 01:03:49.800 because we live in the fallen world, we live in a world of 642 01:03:49.880 --> 01:03:54.880 sin. At some point we will all experience in violation or avoid that leads 643 01:03:54.920 --> 01:04:01.239 to beliefs, thoughts, and feelings that hold us captive and form mental and 644 01:04:01.360 --> 01:04:09.760 emotional strongholds. Having said that, no matter what we've been through or what 645 01:04:09.800 --> 01:04:15.880 we've experienced, we don't have to be held captive. We have the weapons 646 01:04:15.960 --> 01:04:20.440 to bring down strongholds, and I think that's amazing news. We can bring 647 01:04:20.559 --> 01:04:28.400 down strongholds and experience abundant life through mental and emotional well being, and we 648 01:04:28.519 --> 01:04:32.199 can be set free. Indeed, So how do we do that? First 649 01:04:32.239 --> 01:04:39.519 of all, let's understand stronghold as trauma as a stronghold. So at the 650 01:04:39.519 --> 01:04:45.400 start, we talked about a stronghold being like a fortified kind of fortress that 651 01:04:45.559 --> 01:04:51.320 has very high walls. Now the walls if we think about the walls in 652 01:04:51.440 --> 01:04:58.320 trauma as walls of lies. So the lies that keep us remain, keep 653 01:04:58.400 --> 01:05:03.760 us in that state of vigilance of peer, of feeling threatened all the time. 654 01:05:04.400 --> 01:05:10.840 It's really really important to remember that in order to know how to defet 655 01:05:11.159 --> 01:05:15.320 a lie, we know we need to know the truth and price said in 656 01:05:15.400 --> 01:05:19.880 John eight thirty two. Then you will know the truth, and the truth 657 01:05:19.960 --> 01:05:26.679 will set you free. So how is that wrole of lies created in terms 658 01:05:26.679 --> 01:05:33.119 of trauma in our minds when we kind of think things like I'm not good 659 01:05:33.239 --> 01:05:39.440 enough, I'm not lovable, I'm not worthy, I'm detective, something's wrong 660 01:05:39.480 --> 01:05:44.400 with me. On the back of some really bad experience so I don't know, 661 01:05:44.440 --> 01:05:51.159 maybe abuse, maybe neglect, maybe bullying, can have us thinking these 662 01:05:51.199 --> 01:05:56.440 things, having these thoughts amongst ourselves. And these thoughts are not true. 663 01:05:57.199 --> 01:06:00.559 That you're not good enough is not true. That you're not lovable is not 664 01:06:00.599 --> 01:06:05.079 true, that you're not worthy, that there's your defective Those are not true. 665 01:06:05.119 --> 01:06:13.079 But if we carry on repeating those messages to ourselves, then essentially we're 666 01:06:13.119 --> 01:06:18.519 building walls of lies in our minds, very big, tall walls of lies, 667 01:06:19.039 --> 01:06:25.280 and then we remain within those walls, surrounded by the lies that we 668 01:06:25.400 --> 01:06:31.400 keep repeating to ourselves. Another lie could be I'm always going to be limited 669 01:06:31.519 --> 01:06:38.920 by my past and by my negative experiences, that somebody didn't look after me, 670 01:06:39.440 --> 01:06:44.960 that I was physically or sexually assaulted, that's going to limit me for 671 01:06:45.000 --> 01:06:47.559 the rest of my life. Those are lies that the enemies would like us 672 01:06:47.559 --> 01:06:54.840 to believe. That's not true. Another lie could be, I am defined 673 01:06:54.880 --> 01:06:59.920 by my past because my mother or father didn't look after me. That made 674 01:06:59.920 --> 01:07:05.119 me unlovable. That defines me as on where they That defines me as less 675 01:07:05.159 --> 01:07:12.920 than other people. That's not true. Another lie could be what happens in 676 01:07:13.000 --> 01:07:16.880 the past will repeat itself. Something terrible is going to happen to me again 677 01:07:17.280 --> 01:07:24.159 because that thing happened to me in the past, because I don't know my 678 01:07:24.280 --> 01:07:30.079 house got burgled when I was in there, because somebody physically assaulted me. 679 01:07:30.119 --> 01:07:34.920 That's going to happen again. Essentially, these are the walls of lies that 680 01:07:35.199 --> 01:07:40.840 get built in our minds, especially when we have the flashbacks and we have 681 01:07:40.960 --> 01:07:46.039 the nightmares and the memories play up over and over again. These are lies 682 01:07:46.519 --> 01:07:51.159 that keep us in a place of trauma because we keep us in that strong 683 01:07:51.199 --> 01:07:57.239 hole because we think, well, these things are going to happen, or 684 01:07:57.320 --> 01:08:00.760 this is who I am, or I'm never gonna be able to achieve this. 685 01:08:00.440 --> 01:08:06.840 So the walls of lies is how the trauma, the stronghold of trauma 686 01:08:08.119 --> 01:08:13.639 is built. Then when we think about a fortress, we also think about 687 01:08:14.159 --> 01:08:19.159 within the walls are towers. Are towers where you know, strategic planning things 688 01:08:19.199 --> 01:08:25.039 happen so that we can you know, the people within the within the stronghold 689 01:08:25.079 --> 01:08:30.039 can defeat the other people on the other side. So these towers we can 690 01:08:30.279 --> 01:08:34.479 liken to our imagination. So we think of the walls of lies that get 691 01:08:34.560 --> 01:08:40.239 built in our minds, and then we think of the towers of unhelpful imagination. 692 01:08:42.439 --> 01:08:47.399 If we decide to focus on the pain, then we get defeated by 693 01:08:47.439 --> 01:08:54.159 the trauma. If we decide to grow from the pain, then we defeat 694 01:08:54.239 --> 01:09:00.520 the trauma. How to tower Towers of unhelpful imagination develop when we when we 695 01:09:00.560 --> 01:09:03.239 think, oh, we're going to link things that have happened in the past 696 01:09:03.920 --> 01:09:09.840 to our future. So because these things happened in the past, that's what's 697 01:09:09.880 --> 01:09:15.680 going to happen in our future. We have to understand that we're not stagnant. 698 01:09:15.439 --> 01:09:20.920 We're always growing, we're always moping as human beings, we're always becoming 699 01:09:21.520 --> 01:09:30.359 something else. So unhelpful imagination will keep us in the fear of imagining fearful 700 01:09:30.439 --> 01:09:39.880 things. Imagining things that provoke anxiety and fear is something that's kind of in 701 01:09:39.920 --> 01:09:43.560 the past. Fear is not in the future. Fear has never seen the 702 01:09:43.600 --> 01:09:48.279 future. Fear only knows the past. So when we link in our minds, 703 01:09:48.319 --> 01:09:54.680 in our imagination the future to something that happened in the past that was 704 01:09:54.800 --> 01:10:03.119 quite threatening, that was quite detrimental, then our imagination just gets built on 705 01:10:03.279 --> 01:10:10.239 that, and that keeps us in a place of stronghold. Unhelpful imagination also 706 01:10:10.279 --> 01:10:18.760 looks like avoiding, avoiding maybe an area avoiding a similar situation. Every time 707 01:10:18.800 --> 01:10:26.479 we avoid something that reminds us of that trauma, what we're doing is reinforcing 708 01:10:26.520 --> 01:10:30.119 the trauma. What we're doing is telling our minds that the safe thing to 709 01:10:30.239 --> 01:10:34.800 do is to stay away from that thing, because if we come into contact 710 01:10:34.800 --> 01:10:40.079 with anything that's similar to that thing, we are going to re experience that 711 01:10:40.199 --> 01:10:45.239 trauma all over again. And that's just not true. So in avoiding, 712 01:10:45.359 --> 01:10:53.560 we pure our imagination with the symptoms of the trauma. Another way that we 713 01:10:53.880 --> 01:11:00.319 build ours of unhelpful imagination is by identifying with the pain, refusing to heal 714 01:11:00.439 --> 01:11:04.640 from the pain. And actually some people actually feel comfortable in their pain. 715 01:11:05.119 --> 01:11:12.119 Some people cannot imagine having any kind of significance outside of the pain, or 716 01:11:12.199 --> 01:11:17.600 cannot imagine imagine not connecting with that pain. That pain becomes something that is 717 01:11:18.199 --> 01:11:23.119 part and part of them, And sometimes you know, the secondary gains to 718 01:11:23.199 --> 01:11:27.239 why they would do that, But that would keep people in a place of 719 01:11:27.279 --> 01:11:31.199 If all you're imagining is being in this place of pain all the time, 720 01:11:31.600 --> 01:11:39.520 and you decide that forms your identity, then trauma is going to become a 721 01:11:39.600 --> 01:11:43.720 stronghold and I've just got here on this slide just not to say, be 722 01:11:43.880 --> 01:11:49.840 mindful of how your environment and other external factors influence your imagination. What are 723 01:11:49.880 --> 01:11:58.319 people telling you that that's kind of adding fuel to this unhelpful imagination. What's 724 01:11:58.359 --> 01:12:04.199 happening in your environment that's adding fuel to this unhelpful imagination. And then when 725 01:12:04.239 --> 01:12:09.479 we talk about strongholds as well, so we think about the tower with very 726 01:12:09.560 --> 01:12:15.960 high walls, we think about also, you know, people strategies who are 727 01:12:15.079 --> 01:12:20.199 within the tower. We think about the captains within the tower or within the 728 01:12:20.199 --> 01:12:30.239 fortress, and we can liken the captains or the people who strategize with the 729 01:12:30.239 --> 01:12:33.800 thoughts that we have in our minds. So the thoughts that we have in 730 01:12:33.840 --> 01:12:41.199 our minds can hold us captive. So if we have thoughts like I cannot 731 01:12:41.479 --> 01:12:45.199 you know, I can't cope with the pain, or there's no hope for 732 01:12:45.279 --> 01:12:48.439 the future, I'm stuck in this place, or things like I'm better off 733 01:12:48.479 --> 01:12:53.039 dead, if those are the thoughts that we entertain. Yes, we can't 734 01:12:53.079 --> 01:12:59.119 always control what thoughts will come into our minds, but we can challenge the 735 01:12:59.119 --> 01:13:02.159 thoughts that we have. We don't have to accept every thought that comes into 736 01:13:02.199 --> 01:13:05.760 our mind So when the thought comes into our mind to say, well, 737 01:13:05.800 --> 01:13:10.680 I'm better off dead, we can challenge the thought by saying, you know, 738 01:13:10.720 --> 01:13:14.399 the Word of God says that He's got good plans for me, plans 739 01:13:14.399 --> 01:13:18.720 to give me hope in the future. When the thought comes into the mind 740 01:13:18.760 --> 01:13:23.800 that says you can't cope with the pain, you can challenge that with the 741 01:13:23.840 --> 01:13:27.840 Bible says I can do all things through Christ, who gives me strength, 742 01:13:28.199 --> 01:13:34.960 or that God's our weakness. God's strength is made perfect in our weakness. 743 01:13:35.479 --> 01:13:43.600 So let's not allow our thoughts to hold us captive. We cannot determine what 744 01:13:43.720 --> 01:13:47.239 thought comes into our minds, but we can absolutely decide whether or not our 745 01:13:47.279 --> 01:13:51.399 thoughts are going to control us, or whether we're going to control those thoughts. 746 01:13:54.159 --> 01:13:59.960 Okay, So I don't know if people have any questions or any thought 747 01:14:00.119 --> 01:14:04.840 to any comments before I go to how do we actually bring down the strongholds 748 01:14:04.880 --> 01:14:11.960 of trauma? An any questions? It has come through at the moment, 749 01:14:12.039 --> 01:14:15.399 So go on and then we'll pick up at the end. Okay, So 750 01:14:15.520 --> 01:14:20.439 bringing down the strongholds of trauma, So how do we break free? I 751 01:14:20.439 --> 01:14:25.319 think I might have said some of this before, So it's just by way 752 01:14:25.359 --> 01:14:31.039 of recap. Take time to understand and validate your emotions. Challenging emotions need 753 01:14:31.119 --> 01:14:39.760 to be processed and addressed. Not every emotion we have has a place in 754 01:14:39.800 --> 01:14:45.800 our in our in our minds, or in us. But it's very important 755 01:14:45.840 --> 01:14:51.079 that we identify the emotions we're experiencing rather than try to pretend we're not experiencing 756 01:14:51.119 --> 01:14:57.199 those emotions. So validate the emotions because when we validate them, it's like 757 01:14:57.359 --> 01:15:00.119 taking something out of the box and giving it life. Right, then we 758 01:15:00.199 --> 01:15:06.000 can do something with it. But if we don't identify the emotions, and 759 01:15:06.159 --> 01:15:10.439 if we don't validate how we're feeling, we're never going to be able to 760 01:15:10.920 --> 01:15:15.399 heal because we're never going to be able to address those emotions. Believe only 761 01:15:15.479 --> 01:15:24.359 God's truth, only the truth of God's words. Believe a word says about 762 01:15:24.399 --> 01:15:28.359 you about your future, not what other people are saying. Other people might 763 01:15:28.399 --> 01:15:32.319 say nice things, but they don't have the power to determine your future, 764 01:15:33.520 --> 01:15:39.119 and other people the same people can equally say things that will end up being 765 01:15:39.159 --> 01:15:44.399 quite traumatic. So you know, focus on God's truth. What the truth, 766 01:15:44.840 --> 01:15:48.159 according to God, God's words says about you. Truth Like Jeremiah twenty 767 01:15:48.239 --> 01:15:53.000 nine eleven. I know the plans I have for you, plants of good 768 01:15:53.039 --> 01:15:59.600 are not of evil, to give you a future some one three nine. 769 01:16:00.039 --> 01:16:05.760 You are fearfully and wonderfully made. God has amazing, amazing things to say 770 01:16:05.880 --> 01:16:11.199 about us in his word. So focus on those things. Update your thoughts 771 01:16:11.199 --> 01:16:15.479 to align to present facts and truth. You know, sometimes we remain our 772 01:16:15.479 --> 01:16:20.840 thoughts remain in the past. So maybe that little girl or that little boy 773 01:16:21.399 --> 01:16:29.920 who was told you know, you're stupid, or you're you're not going to 774 01:16:30.119 --> 01:16:33.000 amount to anything in the future, that sort of thing. Sometimes we live 775 01:16:33.159 --> 01:16:39.640 in the past of those thoughts that we need to look at ourselves here right 776 01:16:39.680 --> 01:16:44.319 now and look at ourselves in terms of what can what God can do with 777 01:16:44.479 --> 01:16:49.159 us, and think of ourselves in that way rather than in ways from the 778 01:16:49.199 --> 01:16:57.359 past that we're very negative face, rather than avoid your peers. So we've 779 01:16:57.399 --> 01:17:00.399 talked a bit about, like you know, one of peace in terms of 780 01:17:00.960 --> 01:17:10.079 PTSDs avoidance. So sometimes people avoid mentally thinking of certain experiences or talking about 781 01:17:10.079 --> 01:17:15.239 certain experiences and physically going back to certain places. So for example, you 782 01:17:15.279 --> 01:17:18.680 know, if somebody had a car accident somewhere, avoiding that location, that 783 01:17:18.880 --> 01:17:27.199 area altogether is something that's quite common. But that avoidance only reinforces the fear 784 01:17:27.640 --> 01:17:30.840 only tells you, only tells the mind that you need to be afraid of 785 01:17:30.920 --> 01:17:34.319 that place because if you go back there, an accident is going to happen. 786 01:17:34.439 --> 01:17:41.359 That's not necessarily true. So we need to learn and that's you know, 787 01:17:41.680 --> 01:17:45.680 this actually comes with treating PTSD. One of the ways that we treated 788 01:17:46.319 --> 01:17:53.840 is by gradually exposing people to the thing that they try to avoid that's connected 789 01:17:53.880 --> 01:17:58.159 with their trauma, because that's the way that we're going to learn the truth 790 01:17:58.199 --> 01:18:02.199 about us and the difference between our past, our present, and our future. 791 01:18:02.760 --> 01:18:08.920 So if you avoid the thing that makes you fearful, it's only going 792 01:18:08.960 --> 01:18:14.840 to reinforce the fear. Second Timothing, Chapter one, verse seven says I 793 01:18:15.000 --> 01:18:18.159 have not given you a spirit of fear, but of power, of love 794 01:18:18.399 --> 01:18:24.239 and a sound mind. And of course I think we've touched on this. 795 01:18:24.640 --> 01:18:30.239 Get professional help, Get professional help. Trauma is a complex mental health problem. 796 01:18:30.880 --> 01:18:33.800 You might be able to think, oh, and you know, I 797 01:18:33.840 --> 01:18:41.199 think the term trauma gets misused quite a bit, just like the term OCD 798 01:18:41.359 --> 01:18:45.399 gets misused quite a bit. It is a serious mental health problem, and 799 01:18:45.439 --> 01:18:54.720 so let's try not to underplay or underestimate the impact of PTSD. If people 800 01:18:55.560 --> 01:18:59.680 feel that they have symptoms or signs of trauma, we need to try and 801 01:18:59.800 --> 01:19:04.960 help them to get the help professionally that they need. Just remember you're not 802 01:19:05.079 --> 01:19:11.520 your thoughts, and not everything that is true is the truth, okay. 803 01:19:12.000 --> 01:19:16.119 Not everything that is true, not everything that you see around, Not everything 804 01:19:16.239 --> 01:19:24.000 that is intellectual is intelligent. Not everything that is true is the truth. 805 01:19:24.760 --> 01:19:27.720 Okay. I think I'm going to put that on my status. Not everything 806 01:19:27.760 --> 01:19:33.119 that's intellectual is intelligent. I love that. Sorry before you continue outs, 807 01:19:33.119 --> 01:19:36.319 and let me just remind persons of how they can be part of the conversation. 808 01:19:38.199 --> 01:19:43.079 They can email studio at Adventist Radio dot London, or they can text 809 01:19:43.319 --> 01:19:46.479 eight triple to eight hope space and then your message, your question, your 810 01:19:46.520 --> 01:19:51.359 comment, or you can WhatsApp zero seven four or five nine six four two 811 01:19:51.560 --> 01:19:58.199 eight nine eight, thank you, thank god, that's a question as well. 812 01:19:58.239 --> 01:20:00.279 Actually, just pulling on a bit your you were saying about the word 813 01:20:00.399 --> 01:20:04.039 trauma cannot be often misused. I guess I was thinking because my word question 814 01:20:04.159 --> 01:20:08.880 was going to be, what are some of the disconceptions that you would say 815 01:20:08.920 --> 01:20:14.319 would need to be addressed with PTSD especially, And that's just as you've said 816 01:20:14.319 --> 01:20:16.760 that, I thought, okay, actually it's well as words that could be 817 01:20:16.800 --> 01:20:24.079 banded around without thoughts sometimes or you utilizing it like the word is sometimes depression. 818 01:20:24.239 --> 01:20:29.800 You mentioned trauma before as well. Yeah, I mean I have heard 819 01:20:30.479 --> 01:20:34.279 a lot of people say, oh my goodness, that that that was trauma, 820 01:20:34.479 --> 01:20:40.560 that that that's my PTSD, or that's trauma. Honestly, you know, 821 01:20:41.039 --> 01:20:46.239 in context, that's like completely not aligned with actual trauma. I was 822 01:20:46.319 --> 01:20:53.520 driving home from church today and I happened to take a route that I don't 823 01:20:53.560 --> 01:20:57.920 normally take. In a split second, I made a decision to go straight 824 01:20:58.079 --> 01:21:02.119 rather than exit. I made a decision to exit to a main motorway towards 825 01:21:02.119 --> 01:21:08.560 my house rather than harry on, and then I was hit with traffic. 826 01:21:09.000 --> 01:21:13.640 It was like, you know, between my church and my home, it's 827 01:21:13.960 --> 01:21:18.399 it's twenty five minutes under half an hour journey. It took me two hours 828 01:21:18.439 --> 01:21:24.359 to get home. And I was saying to I was saying to my children, 829 01:21:24.760 --> 01:21:29.840 that's traumatic, but that's not actually traumatic. And I'm then I, 830 01:21:30.800 --> 01:21:33.920 well, I'm going to talk about traubat and honestly, that's just that's just 831 01:21:34.039 --> 01:21:38.640 a horrible experience. That's just not a nice experience. I don't like sitting 832 01:21:38.680 --> 01:21:42.640 in traffic, but I'm part of the traffic as well, and everyone's sitting 833 01:21:42.680 --> 01:21:45.159 there going where is everyone going? And I was thinking, just because there's 834 01:21:45.159 --> 01:21:48.640 a bit of sunshine doesn't mean everyone's got to be out, And I just 835 01:21:48.680 --> 01:21:54.319 thought, I've been in this car for two hours. But that's not traumatic. 836 01:21:54.399 --> 01:21:59.199 I'm not gonna have any flashbacks. I'm not gonna I'm not really visit 837 01:21:59.319 --> 01:22:02.760 that motor because of the traffic. I'm not going to be hyper vigilant because 838 01:22:02.800 --> 01:22:06.640 of the traffic. But you know, that's it's just the context in which 839 01:22:06.640 --> 01:22:12.239 people use trauma. Sometimes, when they've gone through an experience that's not very 840 01:22:12.279 --> 01:22:19.199 pleasant, day to day experience that doesn't have the impact of they don't end 841 01:22:19.279 --> 01:22:24.520 up having the symptoms of trauma, and then call it trauma. That just 842 01:22:24.920 --> 01:22:31.960 minimizes what what trauma actually is and what people who experience trauma are actually going 843 01:22:32.000 --> 01:22:35.880 through. Yeah, yeah, no, I hear that because it is Yeah, 844 01:22:36.119 --> 01:22:39.119 And I mean, I guess it's I guess it's all relative, Like 845 01:22:39.159 --> 01:22:43.800 you said about the context, And I suppose I mean, I suppose if 846 01:22:43.840 --> 01:22:45.840 you were to define what trauma is. That's kind of an interesting one because 847 01:22:45.840 --> 01:22:50.880 it's quite subjective. But like you said, from a disorder perspective, it's 848 01:22:51.159 --> 01:22:55.680 like you said, however you want to describe that experience, it's not necessarily 849 01:22:55.720 --> 01:23:01.319 it's actual trauma in that sense. So that because yeah, I don't think 850 01:23:01.319 --> 01:23:04.479 of that that I probably just thought, yes, I probably experienced and said 851 01:23:04.920 --> 01:23:09.520 use the words myself because maybe in that moment that's what it feels like. 852 01:23:09.640 --> 01:23:13.640 But like you said, it's not necessarily and have the lasting effects. Yeah, 853 01:23:14.119 --> 01:23:18.000 I can. I also and I don't know if this sort of contradicts 854 01:23:18.039 --> 01:23:21.520 what you're saying or but at least it it will open up the discussion. 855 01:23:21.560 --> 01:23:26.079 I was said. I remember when we spoke to we had the Cornerstone team 856 01:23:26.119 --> 01:23:28.960 on, and I remember that very day, was on my way to the 857 01:23:29.079 --> 01:23:32.039 station, and this is the example I used on the program. There was 858 01:23:32.039 --> 01:23:35.600 a guy who was walking ahead of me and he was all upset because he 859 01:23:35.640 --> 01:23:40.159 had to go and get milk very early in the morning for his family. 860 01:23:40.239 --> 01:23:43.359 And he was, you know, swearing and going at it. You know, 861 01:23:43.439 --> 01:23:45.600 I'm just at the house. It's early, it's cold, it's blah 862 01:23:45.640 --> 01:23:46.960 blah, blah, and I have to go get this milk and lah blah 863 01:23:46.960 --> 01:23:51.319 blahlahlah. And he was making such a big deal out of it. And 864 01:23:51.399 --> 01:23:55.199 I remember mentioning that to the team and I said, you know what, 865 01:23:55.760 --> 01:24:00.680 how can people how do we put things in perspective? Because trauma affects people 866 01:24:00.680 --> 01:24:05.880 differently differently, and different experiences affect people differently, So you know, for 867 01:24:06.000 --> 01:24:10.039 me, he looked like he was making a mountain out of a molehill. 868 01:24:10.079 --> 01:24:12.720 He was making a big deal out of just going to the shop in the 869 01:24:12.720 --> 01:24:14.760 morning, Go on and get the milk and go home, go on with 870 01:24:14.760 --> 01:24:18.000 your life. But one of the counselors said, you know what, that's 871 01:24:18.079 --> 01:24:23.760 probably what needs to happen there. But let's also think that maybe in his 872 01:24:23.960 --> 01:24:27.279 childhood, you know, he was abused or beaten to go and get his 873 01:24:27.399 --> 01:24:30.720 milk, get the milk for the family, or you know, whatever else 874 01:24:30.760 --> 01:24:33.760 might be going on. So yes, I understand your point, and I 875 01:24:33.800 --> 01:24:39.640 really appreciate it, but I want to also interject there that maybe because we 876 01:24:39.800 --> 01:24:44.720 don't see it as traumatic, because we've got better coping mechanisms, And I 877 01:24:44.720 --> 01:24:46.800 think maybe we'll go on to that because some people, you know, melt 878 01:24:46.840 --> 01:24:51.199 down after you know, breaking a nail, and some people, you know, 879 01:24:51.920 --> 01:24:56.840 it doesn't matter to them. So there are obviously some things within us 880 01:24:56.880 --> 01:25:00.640 that make us better able to cope as opposed to others, and there are 881 01:25:00.680 --> 01:25:06.199 other things that may trigger us that won't trigger others. Yeah, and there's 882 01:25:06.239 --> 01:25:12.399 no doubt that you know, he probably had trauma somewhere in his in his 883 01:25:12.399 --> 01:25:16.159 history of some time in his childhood or in his life. But the reality 884 01:25:16.399 --> 01:25:19.720 is that going to get that milk and not being able to get that milk 885 01:25:19.840 --> 01:25:26.960 is not a traumatic experience. So the symptoms of trauma or how you know, 886 01:25:27.359 --> 01:25:34.079 trauma is being manifested through his disproportionate anger and irritability in that situation, 887 01:25:34.520 --> 01:25:41.159 so that the trauma from that childhood or past experience is being manifested in that 888 01:25:41.239 --> 01:25:45.800 way that he's not being traumatized by not to get the milk. I wasn't 889 01:25:45.840 --> 01:25:51.359 traumatized by not being able to kind of come home in twenty five minutes or 890 01:25:53.359 --> 01:25:57.039 you know, it's not a traumatizing experience. But yet, you know, 891 01:25:57.840 --> 01:26:01.600 granted, yes, he's probably suffering from trauma that he's not or nobody else 892 01:26:01.640 --> 01:26:08.800 has actually identified. They just think he's an angry angry man or or irrational 893 01:26:08.880 --> 01:26:12.520 person or something along those lines. And I like how you've Yeah, in 894 01:26:12.560 --> 01:26:15.479 fact, I like how you've said it. It is not necessarily what's happened, 895 01:26:15.479 --> 01:26:18.159 it's his reaction to what's happened. And you've made that point at the 896 01:26:18.239 --> 01:26:24.319 very beginning. If it's disproportionate, if you're behaving in a way that you 897 01:26:24.319 --> 01:26:28.960 know you shouldn't, really you've reacted in a way that you shouldn't, then 898 01:26:29.000 --> 01:26:31.119 those are the signals that say, Okay, there may be something underlying. 899 01:26:31.159 --> 01:26:36.600 And I love how you've you've concluded on that. Yeah, Yeah, Yeah, 900 01:26:36.680 --> 01:26:41.880 I think I think that point is very important because it just highlights that 901 01:26:42.680 --> 01:26:45.520 there's a lot going on for people, and you know, be kind, 902 01:26:45.399 --> 01:26:50.359 you know, and let's not be quick to judge people and assume because we 903 01:26:50.479 --> 01:26:57.600 don't actually know what lies beneath the surface of what we see of a person. 904 01:26:58.199 --> 01:27:01.920 Yes, another question I have, Alison, because I just brought it 905 01:27:02.000 --> 01:27:06.319 up. What makes the difference then? What what it is that that makes 906 01:27:06.359 --> 01:27:12.680 one person better able to cope? Or does trauma? Trauma affects us all? 907 01:27:13.760 --> 01:27:17.359 What makes a difference in what you know, how we respond, how 908 01:27:17.520 --> 01:27:21.199 long it affects us how quickly we recover. What are some of the factors 909 01:27:21.239 --> 01:27:28.520 there, So, community, so so who you're around, and the support 910 01:27:28.560 --> 01:27:35.199 that you you get when when that happens. I would naturally, as a 911 01:27:35.279 --> 01:27:41.520 Christian, I'd say obviously trusting God, believe in God, your your kind 912 01:27:41.560 --> 01:27:45.960 of belief system, what or who you choose to believe in. I think 913 01:27:45.960 --> 01:27:51.279 that's that's very important because then it highlights the resources that you actually have within 914 01:27:51.359 --> 01:27:57.000 you. You know, if God says that you can do because you know 915 01:27:57.079 --> 01:28:00.359 you're in Christ, then you know that you're well resourced and you have that 916 01:28:01.000 --> 01:28:06.399 provides. Then hope that provides helps you to refocus and think about the future 917 01:28:06.520 --> 01:28:12.079 rather than focus on the past. You know. So your belief system, 918 01:28:12.640 --> 01:28:18.880 your support system are very important. Some people are naturally more resilient, you 919 01:28:18.920 --> 01:28:25.359 know, so some people have it, have got the gift of kind of 920 01:28:25.680 --> 01:28:31.520 rising up above after pacing challenges. For some people, you know, they 921 01:28:31.640 --> 01:28:35.880 either kind of break down completely and that's the end. And for other people 922 01:28:35.960 --> 01:28:41.439 that's the thing that really motivates them. But I think one of the biggest 923 01:28:41.479 --> 01:28:46.159 things that will help is hope. Hope. You know, there's the saying 924 01:28:46.239 --> 01:28:50.079 that we can go more than seventy days. I think somebody's gone more than 925 01:28:50.119 --> 01:28:56.159 seventy days without food, something's gone more than six days without water, something's 926 01:28:56.199 --> 01:29:00.680 gone more than six minutes without air. But nobody can go the amount of 927 01:29:00.720 --> 01:29:05.760 time really without hope. And our ability to tap into hope is really really 928 01:29:05.800 --> 01:29:12.319 crucial because when we tap into hope, we can start to make choices to 929 01:29:12.680 --> 01:29:16.000 find, to seek community that will help, to seek the resources that we 930 01:29:16.119 --> 01:29:19.680 have will help. But when we don't have any hope, then we become 931 01:29:20.439 --> 01:29:27.399 distructive to ourselves and to other people as well, and for some unfortunately, 932 01:29:27.840 --> 01:29:33.439 for some people, that's the end result of trauma. Yeah, when all 933 01:29:33.520 --> 01:29:41.199 hope is gone, then there's there's destruction. None of that's fine. That's 934 01:29:41.199 --> 01:29:45.760 fine. I think this is an excellent point to stop and play this song. 935 01:29:45.960 --> 01:29:49.560 It's Bobby Mason's Trust his Heart. I want to encourage everyone to really 936 01:29:49.960 --> 01:30:18.800 take note of the lyrics trust his Heart. All things work for world or 937 01:30:19.079 --> 01:30:32.880 cool, though sometimes we don't see how they coold struggles that break ga our 938 01:30:33.039 --> 01:30:48.319 hearts into sometimes blends to the true about them know what's best for her. 939 01:30:51.239 --> 01:31:02.039 His ways are not hard. So when you're pathway gross team and you just 940 01:31:02.239 --> 01:31:17.560 don't see him. Remember, you're never a love. God is too w 941 01:31:19.000 --> 01:31:31.520 to be mistake. God is too good to be unclads when you don't unders 942 01:31:31.680 --> 01:31:39.880 her, when you don't see his head, when you can't race his had, 943 01:31:40.479 --> 01:32:03.560 Trust is hard. Trust he is hard. He sees the mast and 944 01:32:03.760 --> 01:32:15.640 he holds on future in his spad. So told those thoughts who had no 945 01:32:15.880 --> 01:32:29.720 home, and I hobby is home in he We see the press and clearly, 946 01:32:31.520 --> 01:32:41.560 but he sees the first had the leam, And like a tadstreet, 947 01:32:42.279 --> 01:32:59.039 he's weaving you there to someday be just like him all God, he's too 948 01:33:00.880 --> 01:33:11.960 to be mistaken. God is too good to be uncind. So when you 949 01:33:12.159 --> 01:33:19.520 don't unturstand when you're don't say, is bad when you can't trace his And 950 01:33:20.319 --> 01:33:33.960 trust is hard. He alone is very ful true, He alone knows what 951 01:33:34.319 --> 01:33:55.560 is best for you. God is too lost to be mistaken. God is 952 01:33:55.760 --> 01:34:05.079 too good to be uncomd Some when you don't understand, when you don't see 953 01:34:05.479 --> 01:34:18.920 his head, when you can't traces stand. Trust is hot when you don't 954 01:34:19.159 --> 01:34:31.279 undurst, when you don't see his head, when you can't traces had, 955 01:34:32.680 --> 01:34:59.479 trust, tease, trustteeze beautiful selection When you don't understand trust his hand and 956 01:34:59.600 --> 01:35:01.760 his heart. I really do love that song, and I think quite appropriate 957 01:35:02.039 --> 01:35:05.199 as we're talking, Alison about hope, and I think that's where we left 958 01:35:05.239 --> 01:35:11.880 off, the facts that without hope we can do nothing. What can allow 959 01:35:12.000 --> 01:35:16.319 us to rise again, rise above the ashes, you know, recharge and 960 01:35:16.399 --> 01:35:21.960 reboot and go again despite what may happen to us and what our circumstances are 961 01:35:23.000 --> 01:35:29.079 and how it may feel. And look, it's about rising above that and 962 01:35:29.119 --> 01:35:31.399 finding hope in God and finding hope in the scripture and in this word and 963 01:35:31.399 --> 01:35:35.720 this promises, and that song for me speaks very powerfully, and I know 964 01:35:35.760 --> 01:35:40.840 it has gotten me through some difficult times because we don't know the future, 965 01:35:41.680 --> 01:35:45.640 but we know who holds the future, and we know that he has helped 966 01:35:45.760 --> 01:35:51.960 our path and our interest and in mind, as you said, Jeremiah twenty 967 01:35:53.039 --> 01:35:56.920 ninety eleven, you know he has a plan for our lives to have to 968 01:35:56.960 --> 01:35:59.960 give us an expected end, a good end, and that is the hope 969 01:36:00.439 --> 01:36:03.279 that we have, no matter what we're facing. So thank you very much 970 01:36:03.279 --> 01:36:08.119 for that and for that reminder, and I hope our listeners are taking that 971 01:36:08.479 --> 01:36:12.560 away from the conversation today. Alison I'm going to throw it back over to 972 01:36:12.600 --> 01:36:18.439 you as you launch into how to support someone who is experiencing trauma. Okay, 973 01:36:18.960 --> 01:36:24.000 thank you so much, SNIA. So one of the things that we 974 01:36:24.680 --> 01:36:30.600 probably have recognized or need to notice is that trauma usually impacts not only the 975 01:36:30.720 --> 01:36:35.439 victim but those people around them, and so therefore good support network is necessary. 976 01:36:35.920 --> 01:36:41.439 As we said in bringing down the stronghold of trauma from the past. 977 01:36:42.000 --> 01:36:50.239 So what are some of the practical considerations for helping support people who have experienced 978 01:36:50.600 --> 01:36:59.119 PTSD. So one thing is trying not to refer I think I've mentioned this 979 01:36:59.760 --> 01:37:04.359 before, or trying not to refer to the person's upbringing, problem issues, 980 01:37:04.520 --> 01:37:09.439 behavior, you know, like I said, call it for what it is. 981 01:37:09.600 --> 01:37:14.960 It is trauma. If something is trauma, it's it's trauma. Don't 982 01:37:15.000 --> 01:37:19.119 don't belittle it by saying, oh, you know, it's just you know, 983 01:37:19.199 --> 01:37:24.880 this person's got this problem, or this person's got this behavior, it's 984 01:37:24.920 --> 01:37:30.439 their upbringing. Just just recognize it as trauma. That's gonna help them. 985 01:37:30.520 --> 01:37:35.560 That's gonna help them, you know, start to analyze and think about, 986 01:37:35.920 --> 01:37:41.439 you know, how they can support themselves. So whether indeed what they're experiencing 987 01:37:42.359 --> 01:37:45.960 is really trauma. It's gonna help them get their assessments, get the support 988 01:37:45.000 --> 01:37:50.840 that they need, and it's gonna help to validate the feelings and the emotions 989 01:37:50.840 --> 01:37:57.479 the experiences that are connected with the trauma. Let's remember that trauma because the 990 01:37:57.960 --> 01:38:02.439 memories are not kind of thought properly. Sometimes it's just pragments of the past 991 01:38:02.479 --> 01:38:08.000 that get played back, and it can be very difficult for people who have 992 01:38:08.239 --> 01:38:15.680 had PTSD, especially complex PTSD, to actually recognize their experiences for what they 993 01:38:15.680 --> 01:38:18.760 are, and they may sometimes doubt themselves. So let's call it what it 994 01:38:18.920 --> 01:38:27.920 is. The other thing is being reciprocal, So giving what you're treating others 995 01:38:27.920 --> 01:38:31.680 basically the way you'd like to be treated, So giving what you'd like to 996 01:38:31.720 --> 01:38:38.560 receive from them, listening to them, empathy, put yourself in their shoes. 997 01:38:38.960 --> 01:38:41.560 Don't just say, oh, well, you know I would do this 998 01:38:41.680 --> 01:38:45.319 in that situation. No, just stop and just put yourself in their shoes 999 01:38:45.319 --> 01:38:50.880 for a bit and empathize with them and empower them. You know, it's 1000 01:38:50.920 --> 01:38:57.199 also very important that we're kind, that we're patients. You know, sometimes 1001 01:38:57.239 --> 01:39:00.800 people who have had PTSD might behave in ways that don't actually make sense to 1002 01:39:00.880 --> 01:39:03.840 us. But we need to be patient. We need to be to be 1003 01:39:03.960 --> 01:39:10.680 empathic with them because then that provides a safe space for them to be able 1004 01:39:10.760 --> 01:39:13.880 to open up and to be able to heal. If we're not patient, 1005 01:39:13.960 --> 01:39:20.439 if we're not kind with them, we're only helping making them feel re traumatized, 1006 01:39:20.520 --> 01:39:24.399 and that's not going to help them, that's going to keep them in 1007 01:39:24.439 --> 01:39:31.560 the stronghold of trauma. It's very important that they have choice. So it 1008 01:39:31.600 --> 01:39:38.680 can be a big trigger when some people who survived trauma is denied of choice 1009 01:39:38.720 --> 01:39:43.840 and control. So it's very important that we confer, we collaborate, and 1010 01:39:43.880 --> 01:39:47.760 we cooperate with them so that they don't feel like all choice is taken out 1011 01:39:47.760 --> 01:39:53.039 of them. When they're going through a traumatic experience, that's how they feel 1012 01:39:53.239 --> 01:39:56.800 out of control. And when we take choice away from them, that's how 1013 01:39:56.800 --> 01:40:02.760 they feel they feel retraumatized. So we need to kind of like try not 1014 01:40:02.840 --> 01:40:09.319 to overreact. So we need to kind sorry, we need to try not 1015 01:40:09.439 --> 01:40:15.000 to say that overreacting, or that being over sensitive, or that being over 1016 01:40:15.079 --> 01:40:20.000 anything. I mean, sometimes when it doesn't align with our perspective of normal, 1017 01:40:20.720 --> 01:40:24.439 then we can tend to say, well, you know, people are 1018 01:40:24.600 --> 01:40:30.000 maybe attention taking or they're overreacting that that doesn't help them, That just makes 1019 01:40:30.000 --> 01:40:36.119 them feel unsafe, that makes them feel like they can't trust that environment and 1020 01:40:36.199 --> 01:40:42.039 they can't heal from that experience. So let's validate what people are feeling, 1021 01:40:42.079 --> 01:40:45.039 what people are telling us they're feeling, and let's not just dismiss it as 1022 01:40:45.079 --> 01:40:51.640 them being overreactive. Perspective is another thing, So be aware when the past 1023 01:40:51.960 --> 01:40:58.560 is intruding into the present. So for lots of people who have experienced trauma, 1024 01:40:58.840 --> 01:41:01.279 say, for example, you know they were neglected, they were rejected, 1025 01:41:02.079 --> 01:41:08.159 you know, they will they will have that past kind of trying to 1026 01:41:08.199 --> 01:41:12.680 take over what's happening in the hera now. And if we are aware that 1027 01:41:12.680 --> 01:41:17.079 they've suffered a particular type of trauma, we need to help them by kindly 1028 01:41:17.199 --> 01:41:24.600 and gently making the distinction between their traumatic past and the hear and now. 1029 01:41:26.920 --> 01:41:32.439 Also, that's going to mean that we don't take responsibility for stuff that happened 1030 01:41:32.479 --> 01:41:36.479 in the past that has nothing to do with us in that relationship with the 1031 01:41:36.520 --> 01:41:42.319 person who's been traumatized, Because if you take responsibility, if you allow them 1032 01:41:42.359 --> 01:41:47.640 to allow their past to keep contaminating the presence of the future, then you're 1033 01:41:47.680 --> 01:41:53.479 going to keep them in that place of trauma, in that stronghold of trauma 1034 01:41:54.760 --> 01:42:01.319 predictability. Not everyone loves surprises. Not every one love surprises. People who 1035 01:42:01.359 --> 01:42:08.840 are trauma survivors, they actually a lot of the time prefer to know what's 1036 01:42:08.880 --> 01:42:14.039 happening. They prefer predictability because it makes them feel safe, It doesn't make 1037 01:42:14.079 --> 01:42:17.079 them feel hyper vigilant, it doesn't make them feel anxious like they don't know 1038 01:42:17.119 --> 01:42:23.880 what's coming next. So just bear in mind that you know surprises might not 1039 01:42:24.000 --> 01:42:30.800 be a good idea, and then space allow time for the survivor to calm 1040 01:42:30.920 --> 01:42:39.199 down and take perspective. So trauma survivors often have difficulty regulating emotions and can 1041 01:42:39.279 --> 01:42:45.359 take longer to calm down. Okay, So hopefully those are some tapes to 1042 01:42:45.520 --> 01:42:53.720 help support somebody who has experienced trauma. So just rounding up lots of information 1043 01:42:53.840 --> 01:42:58.640 today, I think we can en there just in terms of summarizing when trauma 1044 01:42:58.760 --> 01:43:03.560 occurs in our lives, we experience avoid or evolation that threatens ourselves a sense 1045 01:43:03.560 --> 01:43:10.840 of safety and adversely impacts on our mental, emotional, physical, and spiritual 1046 01:43:10.880 --> 01:43:16.640 well being. Trauma from past experiences often hold us captive builds walls and tell 1047 01:43:16.760 --> 01:43:21.960 us of negative beliefs, imaginations and thoughts, which, if not addressed, 1048 01:43:23.479 --> 01:43:30.119 will manifest negatively, such as anger, anxiety, depression, eating disorders, 1049 01:43:30.399 --> 01:43:36.359 et cetera, et cetera. We can overcome the effects of our traumas by 1050 01:43:36.399 --> 01:43:42.640 believing the truth of God's words and by getting professional help and the support of 1051 01:43:42.680 --> 01:43:45.720 those who care about us. As a result, we can grow from our 1052 01:43:45.800 --> 01:43:51.520 pain, and God, in this way can turn our pain into purpose. 1053 01:43:53.560 --> 01:43:58.319 So a few words of encouragement from the world of God, God will bestow 1054 01:43:58.520 --> 01:44:02.560 on you a crown of being beauty instead of ashes, the oil of gladness 1055 01:44:02.600 --> 01:44:09.279 instead of mourning, and a garment of praise instead of the spirit of despair 1056 01:44:09.760 --> 01:44:15.680 Isaiah sixty one, verses three to seven and Romans eight twenty eight. And 1057 01:44:15.720 --> 01:44:19.760 we know that God causes all things to work together for good to those who 1058 01:44:19.800 --> 01:44:26.439 love God and those who are called according to His purpose. And Romans eight 1059 01:44:27.000 --> 01:44:31.439 eighteen says that for I consider that the sufferings of this present time are not 1060 01:44:31.600 --> 01:44:38.039 worthy to be compared with the glory that is to be revealed to us. 1061 01:44:38.159 --> 01:44:42.960 We may suffer now, but if God is in our lives, he has 1062 01:44:43.000 --> 01:44:48.039 a plan for good, and he has a future for us, and we 1063 01:44:48.079 --> 01:44:55.840 will see ultimately how he's wet through our trauma and how he brings us to 1064 01:44:55.920 --> 01:45:00.520 a glorious end. John eight thirty two said this before, and I like 1065 01:45:00.640 --> 01:45:04.439 it. The truth. You will know the truth, and the truth will 1066 01:45:04.479 --> 01:45:10.239 set you free. Remember, the weapons of our warfare are not carnal, 1067 01:45:10.479 --> 01:45:15.079 but mighty in bringing down strongholds. And one of the greatest weapons is the 1068 01:45:15.119 --> 01:45:20.159 word of God, which is the truth, which is Christ himself. And 1069 01:45:20.279 --> 01:45:25.880 so the Bible says in John eight, that's at six this time. So 1070 01:45:26.039 --> 01:45:30.600 if the sun sets you free, you will be free, indeed. And 1071 01:45:30.640 --> 01:45:36.399 that brings us to the end of our discussion of well, my presentation today. 1072 01:45:38.399 --> 01:45:42.600 Thank you, whether discussion nor questions. We've got anything. Yes, 1073 01:45:42.760 --> 01:45:45.479 I think we may have a few more coming in. I wanted to add 1074 01:45:45.640 --> 01:45:51.239 to the scriptures that you shared, because this one came to me Romans eight 1075 01:45:51.439 --> 01:45:56.479 thirty one to thirty five, and then will end thirty seven. What then 1076 01:45:56.520 --> 01:46:00.000 shall we say in response to these things? If God is for us, 1077 01:45:59.800 --> 01:46:02.640 who can be against us? He who did not spare his own son, 1078 01:46:02.720 --> 01:46:06.600 but gave him up for us all, how will he not also along with 1079 01:46:06.720 --> 01:46:13.199 him graciously give us all things. Who will bring any charge against those whom 1080 01:46:13.199 --> 01:46:17.159 God has chosen? Is it God who justifies? Who, then is the 1081 01:46:17.159 --> 01:46:21.680 one who condemns no one. Christ Jesus, who died more than that, 1082 01:46:21.760 --> 01:46:26.560 who was raised to life, is at the right hand of God and is 1083 01:46:26.640 --> 01:46:30.720 also interceding for us. Who shall separate us from the love of Christ, 1084 01:46:30.800 --> 01:46:38.359 shall trouble or hardship, or prosecution, or famine or nakedness or danger or 1085 01:46:38.439 --> 01:46:44.720 sword and my favorite Romans thirty seven, No, in all these things, 1086 01:46:44.840 --> 01:46:50.960 we are more than conquerors through Him who loved us. Thank you so much. 1087 01:46:51.239 --> 01:46:55.800 That's amazing. Thank you so powerful. Then ye yes, thank you, 1088 01:46:57.159 --> 01:46:59.479 thank you, And thank God for his promises. You know, it's 1089 01:46:59.520 --> 01:47:02.600 what keeps us going, I believe when we are facing some of the most 1090 01:47:02.600 --> 01:47:10.039 difficult of challenges. Angie, do you want to add? Have you got 1091 01:47:10.079 --> 01:47:13.239 any questions or comments? I think I'm just waiting to see if we've got 1092 01:47:13.239 --> 01:47:17.640 any more questions coming. Justin had a better comments. Justina, did you 1093 01:47:17.680 --> 01:47:26.960 want to come on and just make that comment? Or it doesn't like she's 1094 01:47:27.000 --> 01:47:31.560 got anything at the moment. Okay, okay, right, So Alison, 1095 01:47:32.800 --> 01:47:34.760 I was just going to I was going to add another text actually, and 1096 01:47:35.079 --> 01:47:39.239 I found this literally just clicked off it. Trouble lost that one. But 1097 01:47:39.279 --> 01:47:42.600 again, the idea, and I always love the idea that we're covered. 1098 01:47:43.000 --> 01:47:46.199 You know, God covers us, just covers us. Sosone's ninety one four 1099 01:47:46.239 --> 01:47:48.880 to six says he should cover you with his feathers, and under his wings 1100 01:47:48.880 --> 01:47:53.600 you should take refuge. His tree should be your shield of Butler, you 1101 01:47:53.640 --> 01:47:56.760 should not be afraid of the terror by night, nor the era that flies 1102 01:47:56.800 --> 01:48:00.000 by day, the pestlings that walk in the dark, just production that lays 1103 01:48:00.039 --> 01:48:02.880 waste at noon day. So you know, at the end of the day, 1104 01:48:02.920 --> 01:48:05.520 we are covered. And as you said, because of those one of 1105 01:48:05.560 --> 01:48:10.920 those things, you know, I guess people can. It may be something 1106 01:48:10.960 --> 01:48:14.159 that people are dealing with, it may be a consistent thing, but obviously 1107 01:48:14.199 --> 01:48:17.199 you can deal with it effectively. You can. I don't know if it's 1108 01:48:17.199 --> 01:48:21.199 necessarily something you get over, because I think it's a lot more complex than 1109 01:48:21.239 --> 01:48:25.239 that. It's not quite as simple as that, but definitely steps that you 1110 01:48:25.279 --> 01:48:30.079 can obviously go towards to kind of make that a much betteran experience for yourself. 1111 01:48:30.239 --> 01:48:32.239 So yes, thank you so much for that. That listen. And 1112 01:48:32.319 --> 01:48:38.840 I loved how you highlighted that the importance of network and support, and I 1113 01:48:38.880 --> 01:48:43.920 think that also speaks to how some people are more resilient than others. It's 1114 01:48:43.960 --> 01:48:45.840 because you've got if you've got a tight knit network, if you've got someone 1115 01:48:45.920 --> 01:48:48.600 you can talk to, rely on the shoulder, you can cry on. 1116 01:48:49.000 --> 01:48:53.399 All those things help to make you more resilient and more able to deal because 1117 01:48:53.399 --> 01:48:57.479 traumas, as we've said from the top, traumas come. It's part of 1118 01:48:57.560 --> 01:49:04.119 life, not because we're so not because where you know, whatever society we 1119 01:49:04.199 --> 01:49:08.840 see it, whatever degrees we have, you know, it affects us all. 1120 01:49:09.760 --> 01:49:13.680 But I think, as you've said, there there's there's there's support out 1121 01:49:13.720 --> 01:49:15.920 there if if we are able to tap into that, if we don't have 1122 01:49:16.319 --> 01:49:19.960 a circle as such, but there are places that we can go their organizations 1123 01:49:19.960 --> 01:49:24.399 and we'll share a little bit about that that you can tap into people who 1124 01:49:24.399 --> 01:49:28.520 are listening. They're willing to hear and listen to to your issues, your 1125 01:49:28.560 --> 01:49:31.680 troubles and guide you in the right direction. But how important a network is 1126 01:49:31.720 --> 01:49:36.840 and how important our faith is ya that's been the corner stone we see in 1127 01:49:36.920 --> 01:49:44.279 these in the series. How important faith is and having a relationship with God 1128 01:49:45.000 --> 01:49:50.720 that's the key to our resistance or resilience rather as well. Yeah, yeah, 1129 01:49:50.800 --> 01:49:55.760 I think, I think and this is amazing, right, having these 1130 01:49:55.800 --> 01:50:02.239 discussions, these conversations that really matter, Creating the space for people to to 1131 01:50:02.399 --> 01:50:08.239 listen in and and have these conversations. I think it is part of that 1132 01:50:08.319 --> 01:50:13.359 support network. The support network comes in different forms, and sometimes you know, 1133 01:50:13.479 --> 01:50:16.159 with people that we know, but not necessarily with you know. I 1134 01:50:16.319 --> 01:50:19.760 like the fact that you're creating these spaces and you're keeping a close eye on 1135 01:50:19.840 --> 01:50:25.840 the awareness days, and you're being proactive to to do the research and to 1136 01:50:25.880 --> 01:50:30.640 bring the people on to to have the conversations. And I think that, 1137 01:50:30.039 --> 01:50:34.600 you know, this is a way of providing support that goes a long way 1138 01:50:35.720 --> 01:50:43.319 compared to physically being in the presence of the people who will benefit from from 1139 01:50:43.760 --> 01:50:48.439 programs like this. So I think God, God's given us the ability to 1140 01:50:48.520 --> 01:50:51.960 be creative, and I think that's what's going on here, That creativity is 1141 01:50:53.560 --> 01:50:59.159 being used to heal the people that He wants to heal through the through this 1142 01:50:59.319 --> 01:51:01.960 sort of space on these sort of programs. So I just really want to 1143 01:51:02.000 --> 01:51:10.000 comment this program because I've been here a few times over the years, and 1144 01:51:10.079 --> 01:51:14.199 I think that, you know, there's been amazing discussions that have happened, 1145 01:51:14.279 --> 01:51:17.520 not just with myself, but with other people as well. You've had siblings, 1146 01:51:17.560 --> 01:51:20.720 days, you've had men, women, you know, you've covered the 1147 01:51:20.800 --> 01:51:28.319 whole kind of spectrum of society, and I think that that's absolutely amazing that 1148 01:51:28.359 --> 01:51:31.560 you're doing what you're doing. So keep going and God bless you, Thank 1149 01:51:31.600 --> 01:51:35.960 you, thank you. I appreciate that. As we were saying before, 1150 01:51:36.319 --> 01:51:41.399 one of the key things is obviously to reach out for support. There is 1151 01:51:41.439 --> 01:51:45.520 support out there, and I appreciate that it's not always the easiest thing to 1152 01:51:45.560 --> 01:51:49.840 reach out. But we mentioned our Cornerstone Counseling, so you can contact them. 1153 01:51:50.119 --> 01:51:56.520 They have a website CCS Counseling dot org dot UK. You can contact 1154 01:51:56.560 --> 01:52:00.920 them on zero three three zero one three three two four nine five. They 1155 01:52:00.960 --> 01:52:06.600 also have a dedicated listening nine oh to BO seven seven two three eight zero 1156 01:52:06.800 --> 01:52:13.359 five PO. We were talking about PTSD and it's been an awareness month and 1157 01:52:13.359 --> 01:52:17.760 awardness Day PTSD UK. It's a website there. We have lots of information 1158 01:52:17.800 --> 01:52:25.600 and resources there. That's pt SDUK dot org. And also we have to 1159 01:52:25.640 --> 01:52:30.159 mention mind as well. Minds dot org dot UK has a lot of good 1160 01:52:30.199 --> 01:52:36.640 resources on there as well, different organizations that cover a wide spectrum of traumatic 1161 01:52:39.159 --> 01:52:42.399 incidents or series, what have you. I don't think a word for that, 1162 01:52:42.520 --> 01:52:46.359 but different areas or different things that could cause a trout about that. 1163 01:52:46.439 --> 01:52:49.840 Yes, so there's some good reasons on there. So don't feel that you 1164 01:52:49.920 --> 01:52:58.199 have to struggle necessarily on your own reach out and I love Connor Stones kind 1165 01:52:58.199 --> 01:53:01.439 of struck lining a shoulder to lean on and that's often what people do need, 1166 01:53:01.640 --> 01:53:05.399 you know, whether it's from professional help or those who are supporting you 1167 01:53:05.960 --> 01:53:12.479 as well. So we've come to always, always, I just got the 1168 01:53:12.479 --> 01:53:16.720 time. It's three minutes fast seven. Oh wow. You know there's always 1169 01:53:16.720 --> 01:53:19.479 a good conversation and we know it's a good conversation when we get to this 1170 01:53:19.520 --> 01:53:23.159 point and we're like, we run out of time and we know we could 1171 01:53:23.159 --> 01:53:27.279 have gone on for another another hour probably, but you know, this all 1172 01:53:27.319 --> 01:53:33.239 just means that you know the space for another show, part two. So 1173 01:53:33.279 --> 01:53:39.359 we want to thank you Alison for joining us and once again but there's another 1174 01:53:39.439 --> 01:53:44.079 installments of this series. Again given us lots to think about, lots of 1175 01:53:44.119 --> 01:53:47.199 key information and I hope, you know, I hope that either work that 1176 01:53:47.239 --> 01:53:50.960 you that you do is indeed a blessing. I know it is that you 1177 01:53:50.960 --> 01:53:56.279 will continue to bless those that you kind of come into contact with, those 1178 01:53:56.319 --> 01:53:59.840 people that you work with and that you support, and these type of presentations 1179 01:53:59.880 --> 01:54:01.840 that you give us well, and also the work that's spending through your we're 1180 01:54:01.880 --> 01:54:05.000 writing your books and everything else that you do. So I do thank you 1181 01:54:05.279 --> 01:54:10.079 so much as well. SINAI was one of our guests on Zoom. Thank 1182 01:54:10.119 --> 01:54:13.239 you for joining us as well, and you know, for our listeners, 1183 01:54:13.279 --> 01:54:16.960 thank you for tuning in to talking point. We often say, you know, 1184 01:54:17.000 --> 01:54:20.479 we want to get people more people engaging in the conversation. So you 1185 01:54:20.520 --> 01:54:24.119 have a story, or we'd like to be on our panel, or you'd 1186 01:54:24.159 --> 01:54:26.720 like to be on us one of our Zoom calls to join the conversation. 1187 01:54:27.239 --> 01:54:30.199 Please do get in contact with you. So our time has been spent well. 1188 01:54:30.439 --> 01:54:34.319 So we're going to close with prayer. I will say that before I 1189 01:54:34.359 --> 01:54:41.039 finish. Don't so now you're doing your show afterwards. I am, I 1190 01:54:41.079 --> 01:54:49.239 am. I just decided reading in London. Sonya will be doing her Saturday 1191 01:54:49.319 --> 01:54:53.239 Night Praise. So if you're like you know, having a bit of a 1192 01:54:53.279 --> 01:54:55.279 jam. We've had a bit of a we've had a bit of a serious 1193 01:54:55.279 --> 01:55:00.439 conversation this sponsor. Change your pace there and also go forget. There's programming 1194 01:55:00.479 --> 01:55:05.319 back on Sunday as well, with a variety of different shows from our wonderful 1195 01:55:05.359 --> 01:55:11.760 presenters. So do stay tuned to Ventis Radio London. So just as we 1196 01:55:11.880 --> 01:55:14.680 often do, we start with prayer, they're going to end with prayer, 1197 01:55:15.520 --> 01:55:18.520 just to close out our program and pray for those on this topic as well. 1198 01:55:18.720 --> 01:55:21.279 Okay, let's pray. Oh my God, I want to thank you 1199 01:55:21.319 --> 01:55:25.319 for blessing us with another wonderful day. Thank you for the beautiful weather that 1200 01:55:25.520 --> 01:55:28.800 most of us are experiencing, and I hope that's similar for most people around 1201 01:55:28.800 --> 01:55:30.520 the world or where they're listening from. I thank you, Dear Lord, 1202 01:55:30.560 --> 01:55:35.720 that we can indeed trust you. You are a big God and awesome God, 1203 01:55:35.920 --> 01:55:40.199 and that's an amazing thing to do, Lord, And sometimes that can 1204 01:55:40.239 --> 01:55:44.199 be difficult for us to kind of comprehend and understand, but sometimes that's not 1205 01:55:44.319 --> 01:55:46.920 necessarily necessary for us to do. But we know, dear Lord, that 1206 01:55:47.439 --> 01:55:51.199 you can take on all the things that we are experiencing today. We've been 1207 01:55:51.199 --> 01:55:56.640 talking about PTSD in trauma, and I pray, Dear Lord, that you 1208 01:55:56.720 --> 01:56:00.680 will be with those people who have suffered horrific things, terrible things within their 1209 01:56:00.680 --> 01:56:05.560 lives. Dear Lord. I thank you that you are able to cover those 1210 01:56:05.600 --> 01:56:13.039 people and send people with skills and talent, Dear Lord to help and support 1211 01:56:13.039 --> 01:56:16.720 those people. I pray that you will be with those people, wash their 1212 01:56:16.760 --> 01:56:19.439 minds, bodies and souls with your blood, Dear Lord, And but yougin 1213 01:56:19.479 --> 01:56:25.960 to do the work that only you can do, a complete restoration. There 1214 01:56:26.039 --> 01:56:28.840 may be things, they may be a hard process for those people to go 1215 01:56:28.920 --> 01:56:30.359 through, but I pray, Dear Lord, with the right support and the 1216 01:56:30.399 --> 01:56:35.239 right network, that you can indeed help those people to become victorious. Please 1217 01:56:35.279 --> 01:56:40.800 bless anyone who really is struggling today, Dear Lord. I pray that you 1218 01:56:40.960 --> 01:56:45.000 will give them the strength courage to reach out to the support that they that 1219 01:56:45.039 --> 01:56:47.319 they can access. Dear Lord. No, it's not always easy, but 1220 01:56:47.359 --> 01:56:51.399 I pray that someone will be available for them to lean on. Definitely be 1221 01:56:51.399 --> 01:56:56.239 a shoulder. I pray that you will bring healing to those and release them 1222 01:56:56.279 --> 01:57:01.399 from the strongholds of their trauma and the impact that it has on them, 1223 01:57:02.079 --> 01:57:05.239 set them free, Dear Lord, and deliver them from the future schemes of 1224 01:57:05.319 --> 01:57:10.840 our enemy. I pray that you will bless each person who is listening and 1225 01:57:10.880 --> 01:57:13.800 who'll listened, Dear Lord, and that they make sense your presence and be 1226 01:57:13.840 --> 01:57:17.119 filled with your holy spirit. And thank you for everything you have done for 1227 01:57:17.199 --> 01:57:20.119 us and everything that you are going to do. And thank you Lord for 1228 01:57:20.199 --> 01:57:26.600 just being so awesome. This is my prayer. Amen, Thank you, 1229 01:57:26.840 --> 01:57:30.800 Thank you Alison again, thank you for the prayer, and thank you to 1230 01:57:30.840 --> 01:57:33.840 our listeners who were patient at the start and have stuck with us to the 1231 01:57:33.960 --> 01:57:39.039 end. I really do hope that you have gained some wealth of information from 1232 01:57:39.079 --> 01:57:43.279 here that you'll find useful in your own lives or for those that you may 1233 01:57:43.319 --> 01:57:45.840 be supporting. Saturday Night Praise is next. Yes, it is a shifting 1234 01:57:45.920 --> 01:57:50.239 gear, but I think it's a timely one. We're just going to unwind 1235 01:57:50.359 --> 01:57:56.439 and praise God for all his goodness and his greatness. And Allison, we'll 1236 01:57:56.439 --> 01:57:59.840 see you again next time. We'll see you again next time. Thank you 1237 01:57:59.880 --> 01:58:04.720 so very much. It's by from me. I'm back with me Angela and 1238 01:58:04.880 --> 01:58:11.640 bye from me. Allison. God bless you, so are you struggling to 1239 01:58:11.760 --> 01:58:17.600 cope with life. Conflict, bereavement, fear, relationship, anger, depression, 1240 01:58:18.159 --> 01:58:26.720 negative thoughts, trauma and uncertainty can all cause emotional imbalance. Don't struggle 1241 01:58:26.760 --> 01:58:31.880 alone. CCS, your trusted confidential counseling service, is here for you. 1242 01:58:32.560 --> 01:58:39.560 Call our listening line on zero double three zero one double three two nine four 1243 01:58:39.640 --> 01:58:45.439 five, our office line for appointments on zero two zero double seven two three 1244 01:58:45.840 --> 01:58:53.840 eight zero five zero, or visit our website www dot CCS Counseling dot org 1245 01:58:54.039 --> 01:59:00.640 dot UK. Our counselors speak various languages. CCS a shoulder to lean on. 1246 01:59:00.319 --> 01:59:06.800 We are here to listen. Adventist Radio London inspiration for the song