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the Joel Embiid trade requests, it's
coming. It is not here, I

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want to make that clear, but
it is coming because it's it's probably more

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than tangentially related to the James Harden
trade request, which, per Sham Sharania,

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the relationship between James Harden and Daryl
Moray is fractured, and we will

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get to all of that. But
the comments that are making the rounds on

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Joel Embiid, I'll play it for
you. Was this during a recent sort

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of panel esque interview. Let's just
see what he had to say. Oh,

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I'm just worn with the championship.
We don't whatever he takes. I

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don't know what that's called. What
is you know? Heby else? You

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know, I just want to have
a chance to publish, want to see

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what it feels like to win the
first one and then you can pick kebab

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the next one. So yeah,
Joe ell Embid mentioning the in Philly or

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anywhere else is what as people talking
and I think it's probably been just not

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dismissed because people are definitely talking about
it. That's why I'm talking about it

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at all. But you look at
you all, embiid. He's always been

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loyal to Philadelphia when you look at
his comments. He does have three years

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left on his deal technically, but
hey, one of those oh it's four

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years, it's three three guaranteed years
and then that fourth year player option,

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and so it does give Philly some
time. But the clock starts ticking in

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these situations a lot more quickly than
it used to, and so like,

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yes, you expect him to probably
play out next season. You don't really

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see these mid season trade requests,
you know. Kevin Durant was sort of

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an anomaly, but that was this
pre existing situation where it feels like him

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in the nets kind of talked about
it last offseason he requested or trade then,

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So you don't see someone like a
Damian Lillard, like a Duell and

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be just all of a sudden say
hey, I want out in the middle

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of the season. I think the
time that really happened, we've seen stars

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moved, but sort of a trade
request fiasco before Kevin Durant, I think

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was that Anthony Davis because it wasn't
There was Mellow before him, and there

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were others, and you knew that
some stars might have wanted out in the

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middle of the year. I guess
Kyrie iring counts, but he's just all

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over the place. So these things
typically manifest over the offseason, and so

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I would fully expect this to be
a situation where Joel Embid probably finishes the

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season in Philly, but I don't
necessarily feel great about that, and it's

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inextricably tied, not dangentily. Like
I said before, to the James Harden

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situation, James Hardener's requested a trade. I don't know who actually wants James

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Harden. There are two ways to
look at this. That he only wants

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to go to the Clippers, and
so that's why we're not talking about other

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teams or the Damian Lillard sweepstakes,
and maybe the Pascal Siakam sweepstakes are holding

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up his a little bit just because
he is older. But when you look

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at James Harden, because he can't
be extended after he's going to be traded,

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the market for him just feels like, yeah, okay, if it

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drops, then maybe the Knicks would
get involved, or do we see a

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team like coming out left field and
I don't even know, like you're not.

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That's the other thing that's really tough
to imagine. This is what team's

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gonna you know, does Chicago maybe
get involved again? If the price drops

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low enough, you could probably talk
yourself in anybody. Some people have just

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floated the Warriors, like once Chris
Paul can be aggregated using that contract,

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that would be hysterical. He is
more James Harden is more antithesis to how

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the Warriors play than Chris Paul is. I would think. So, yes,

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maybe other teams would get involved at
the price drops low enough, But

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we know that Darryl Moorey isn't going
to necessarily take a bath unless he has

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to. There's the threat of James
Harden leaving in for agency left last year,

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but James Harden could have left him
free agency this year and he opted

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in. And so whatever you get
for James Harden, let's just say there

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actually is a market for maybe Miami
wants to get involved. If the Damian

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Lillard sweepstakes falls apart. You have
to get enough to then either justify to

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Joel Elbie that hey, we're continuing
to head in the right direction, or

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to tell him, hey, we
now have the assets necessary to go and

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get the other big name that becomes
available, and even that gets a little

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wan. Even let's just use you're
Joel Embiid, Darryl Moray comes to you

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and says, we're gonna get expiring
contracts, So Marcus Morris, Robert Covington,

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and let's just let's throw what I
would think is the Clippers just best

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package in there. It's Terrence Man, Marcus Morris, and Robert Covington plus

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two first round picks. And there
could be like other stuff in there,

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but two two first round picks in
twenty eight and thirty I believe they would

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have to be four James Harden.
So now you're sitting on those players which

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are not Yeah, they give you
some depth on the front line, but

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you didn't replace James Harden's creation at
all. As good as Terrence Man is

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you are, I don't even want
to say. If you're deeper, you

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have bodies to go to the next
season, be a playoff team. You're

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not a contender with MAXI, Joel
Embiid, Terrence Man, Tobias Harris still

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on that rosters. It's a nice
team, danthy Melton had a great year

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for them. It's not a great
team now, you do say to him,

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if you are Joe and Bid,
you're looking at that roster as is

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constructed and saying they're not a contender
right now. And there's no way for

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this core to grow into a contender
unless Tyrese Maxi becomes peak level James Harden

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in terms of star power. They
don't. They don't. Excuse me,

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Serrie, you don't have to talk
right now. Unless he becomes He's never

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gonna be the same player as James
Horn but on that scale of star and

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yeah, okay, maybe he gets
there, Probably not, So you're saying,

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if you're Philly at that point,
you're essentially sound. Joel Embide on

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the idea of either one. There's
going to be cap space, a ton

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of cap space next year, where
if you have man it cuts into it.

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But you could get over sixty million
dollars in cap space next year if

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there's only Maxi's hold for a STRICTI
free agency and EBID like those are your

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bigger salaries on the books, And
depending on what happens with PJ. Tucker's

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player option, YadA, YadA,
YadA. You can still have max salary

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though if you keep PJ. Tucker, you have man on the books you

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could have you have max cap space. What is that going to do for

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you? In free agency? There
is and I'm sure a ton of places

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have talked about this, free agency
is not what it used to be.

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The players leaving during free agency now
like the best ones are going to be

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the Fred van Fleets, which are
game changing, they're not franchise altering.

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And so you look at some of
the top names on the market and it's,

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oh, Jalen Brown, he's going
to sign an extension with Boss,

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and it's it's going to happen.
Pascal Siakam, maybe the Raptors move him,

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but then if they move him,
his team could still sign him to

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an extension. I think the extension
rules that's enough money to get him to

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signed even if he's threatening not to, or do the Raptors just extend him

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because hey, we just watch Fred
van Fleet leave in free agency for nothing.

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We gave Kyle Lowry away but in
free agency basically for nothing a couple

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of years ago. And then it's
just is that even the guy that's not

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the guy you're going to Paris to
around the bead is Oganna Nobi. The

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guy is Play Thompson at his age, he'll be thirty five at that point.

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Is he the guy that you're And
then you're looking at oh, ancient

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Kyle Lowry will be available, Gordon
Hayward is supposed to be available. There's

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just and you get into the restricted
free agency game and it's all right,

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some of the biggest would be names
have already signed extensions. Like what are

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you actually going to get and where
a team's not going to match? Can

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you go after Patrick Williams? Okay, great, maybe the Bulls don't match,

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but Patrick Williams really good player,
not a great player. And so

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Devin Vassell he hasn't signed an extension
yet he will He's not leaving San Antonio

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Manuel quickly? Okay, nice name. What are they doing for you?

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And it's not going to be cap
spaceed and so it's going to be can

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you trade for another star? And
that's why you would flip James Harden for

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the Clippers package or another package.
I'm assuming you wouldn't get a star back.

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Maybe there are some three team machinations, but if you're Joel Ebean,

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you have to sit at this.
Let's just say that you can pull this

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off where you get that type of
equity from LA for James Harden. Can

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you then turn that into Damian Lillard
and just turning that into Damian Lillard or

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I don't even like, let's throw
another name out there that it's You could

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name other players that might hit the
market like Siakam and Karl Anthony Towns.

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Those aren't fits for Joel Embiid,
and so what are the other names?

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Like you could Jalen Brown, Like, we don't know where he's going to

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side an extension with Boston probably so
he's even available. Let's just say the

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Nets would part with mckel bridges.
If you're looking at these players that are

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coming in, is having to turn
James Harden and maybe Tyrese Maxie plus the

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one pick you can trade and then
let's say you get two other first in

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a James Starry. Let's just say
that's what you get. If you're giving

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three first and Maxie and then salary
up for Damian Lillard and you're you're the

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sixers, Are you a contender?
If you're Joel Embid and you're looking at

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this, Are you a contender?
Honestly, I don't. Yeah, you're

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up there in the east. If
it's Damien, Like think of the top

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ten player that would become available,
because Damian Lillard is probably fringe an NBA,

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like a top ten player at this
point. He certainly he just made

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all or did he make all hib
He can't even remember at this point,

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but he was in the All NBA
discussion before he got shut down, And

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like, you have to look at
that level of superstar and when you're looking

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at the other names, someone who
could in any given seasons still be a

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top ten player. John Hitch not
available right now, Tatum, Durant,

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Curry, Yokitch, Yeah, who
else? Leonard? I mean, like

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maybe Choire Paul George would be available. But if you were going to get

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one of the those guys in a
James Harden trade, you would have done

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it already. Jimmy Butler, Devin
Booker's not going anywhere, Aunty Davis Lebron,

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Like, you're not Jake Gildest Alexander
Like, now we're getting into those

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names. Maybe you could go after
in theory, Donovan Mitchell from Cleveland.

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It's not gonna be part of James
Harden trade certainly are those names with those

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you know, those singular acquisitions,
Do they make you a contender? I

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don't. I don't think they do. Maybe for a year, but not

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sustainably. And you're gonna bankrupt your
assets too where you already don't have enough,

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but where you don't have many assets. Excuse me, You're gonna bankrupt

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the assets that you do have and
be left with no other assets to go

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out and make antillary moves or have
necessarily the financial wiggle room to make impact

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shignings in free agency. In so
far as that's even possible anymore, you're

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in a really tough spot because it's
different. If you can turn James Harden

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and then let's just say your pick, you're the first round pick. You

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could trade in other stuff if you
can keep Maxie and get that other star.

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If it's a Damian Lillard, I
don't even look, who are we

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Who is the other star aside from
Damian Lillard that you would be comfortable making

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this move for as we're going through
it, like so just using him as

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sort of this placeholders star. If
you want to throw Trey Young in there

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or Jalen Brown, I don't you
know again, Paul George would be I

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think would be close. Paul Georgia
kuai. But the Clippers aren't going to

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get rid of them as part of
any James Harden trade. I would be

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or at least i'd be fairly surprised
if they did. So you're not a

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contender and now you're Joel Embiid and
it's okay, Yeah, I have all

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these years left on my deal.
Things can change. Daryl Morey is super

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aggressive. He turns thirty next March. He is also it'll be his age

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twenty nine season, but it'll be
turning thirty next March. Like the window

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here. When you dealt with as
many injuries as he has, it's a

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problem, and you know people are
gonna look at, well, is he

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really in a position or request to
trade when you look at how poor his

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playoff numbers generally are. I think
that's a fair discussion to have. At

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least it was when we were trying
to discredit not we, but people were

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trying to discredit Nicole Yokitch because of
his playoff performance. But you look at

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these injuries and this comes from U. S. Barr Henny who works over

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at is it SDN Sports. It's
at SDPN sports. Excuse me. In

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twenty eighteen Joe bead At a broken
face and concussion. Then he had need

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ten to nitis in two nineteen festors, twenty twenty one, torn meniscus,

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twenty twenty two, broken face and
torn thumb, two twenty three knee spring

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He's had shipped to deal with.
That's part of the Joel Embiid calculation.

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But could he have been more dominant
throughout stretches of those postseason if he wasn't

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dealing with injury? And he does
have some truly iconic performances from the playoffs

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that we can call back to.
He is a star, a capslock superstar

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who absolutely has the leverage to request
to trade. And because of this James

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Harden stuff, if James Harden is
still on the roster and you haven't had

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to make some wholesale shakeups and Tyrese
Maxie is still there, yes, I

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think Joel Embiid will be a player
who's going to be on this roster for

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the duration of next season. But
if you, if and when you move

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James Harden, if you start even
talking about parlaying what you have into one

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player, just one player without any
other assets, real assets of which to

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speak, maybe even if you keep
Tyres Maxie. The James Harden, the

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Joel Embiad trade request feels like it's
coming. And if you don't think that

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it's coming, I don't think you've
been paying attention to the NBA over the

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past whatever many years, I mean
the past decade really when you're looking at

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when you're looking at all the trade
request that we've already seen from stars,

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I don't know if it's coming soon, but it's definitely worth pondering whether Joel

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Embid. We've seen it from James
Harden, and there might be other stars

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that are moved. Where does Pascal
Siakam get moved to summer? Yes,

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and we know that Damian Liller request
is a trade he feels like more so

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than a Karl Anthony Towns, maybe
even more so than a trade young And

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there are real breadcrumbs there when you
just look at the reporting over the years,

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more so than anybody else. Joel
Embiid is the next superstar who's going

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to request to trade, and the
Sixers absolutely need to nail whatever they're doing

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from here on this next year.
I would argue if not next few weeks,

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because that's how close they are to
a James Harden trade requests is that,

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yes, I say it might come
next, but there's a chance,

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depending on what happens with James Harden, that we could be weeks down the

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line, getting into August, and
that's when the reports that Joel Embide would

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like to play for a different team
will start to trick cloud until next time.

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And as always, I think you
don't have to shout out to the

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one and the only Frank Nilikina who
urges you, implores you, begs you

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