1 00:00:18,039 --> 00:00:21,879 And we're back with another edition of the Federalist Radio Hour. I'm Matt Kittle, 2 00:00:21,960 --> 00:00:27,359 senior Elections correspondent at the Federalist and your experienced Shirpa on today's quest for 3 00:00:27,480 --> 00:00:32,479 Knowledge. As always, you can email the show at radio at the Federalist 4 00:00:32,560 --> 00:00:39,960 dot com, follow us on x at FDRLST, make sure to subscribe wherever 5 00:00:40,000 --> 00:00:44,280 you download your podcast, and of course to the premium version of our website 6 00:00:44,320 --> 00:00:48,600 as well. I'm joined today by Dandiker, president of the Jerusalem Center for 7 00:00:48,640 --> 00:00:55,640 Public Affairs, a leading independent research institute serving as Israel's global embassy for national 8 00:00:55,719 --> 00:01:02,600 security and applied diplomacy. Israel obviously very key area as it has been for 9 00:01:02,640 --> 00:01:10,120 so long now in the war on terror, although others want to reshape that 10 00:01:10,400 --> 00:01:14,599 argument in the world today and in this country. Dan, thank you so 11 00:01:14,680 --> 00:01:18,200 much for joining us in the Federalist Radio Hour. Thank you for having us, 12 00:01:18,280 --> 00:01:22,079 and I just want to share with our listeners that Drewso Center for Public 13 00:01:22,120 --> 00:01:27,599 Affairs has now become Drewsom Center for Foreign Affairs, being Israel's engine outside the 14 00:01:27,599 --> 00:01:34,439 government for Foreign affairs for exposing Isabella Hamas and the Iranian access of terror. 15 00:01:34,799 --> 00:01:38,000 We can still be found at JCPA dot org. But we are renamed the 16 00:01:38,079 --> 00:01:42,680 Jrusom Center for Foreign Affairs. Good to note and let's start there. Actually, 17 00:01:44,040 --> 00:01:48,159 you've been doing this for a long time. You've been leading that organization 18 00:01:48,239 --> 00:01:53,480 for some time. Tell us what the organization is doing, has done, 19 00:01:53,599 --> 00:01:57,680 and is doing today well. Jewson Center for many years, Jews Center for 20 00:01:57,680 --> 00:02:07,240 Public Affairs is one of Israel's leading conservative think tank do tanks that basically pioneered, 21 00:02:07,319 --> 00:02:14,199 if you will, a number of different Israeli security policies that are basically 22 00:02:14,280 --> 00:02:17,639 consensus driven, for example, defensible borders for Israel. Israel is such a 23 00:02:17,639 --> 00:02:23,639 small country. It's about eighteen percent the size of Iowa. And you know, 24 00:02:23,680 --> 00:02:29,639 we are basically between the size of Maryland and New Jersey, with nine 25 00:02:29,639 --> 00:02:35,680 million people surrounded by three hundred and fifty million Arab Muslims. And now that, 26 00:02:36,319 --> 00:02:42,439 thank God, the Abraham Accords in twenty twenty, historic development in the 27 00:02:42,479 --> 00:02:47,159 Middle East changed the balance certainly of allies versus adversaries. Israel is still surrounded 28 00:02:47,879 --> 00:02:54,159 by the Iranian regime and it's death cult proxies Hisballah in the North, and 29 00:02:54,280 --> 00:02:59,960 as we speak on this podcast, they are sending killer drones and rocket. 30 00:03:00,039 --> 00:03:05,199 It's into the north of Israel, into the north center of Israel. We 31 00:03:05,280 --> 00:03:09,120 have eighty five thousand people displaced within our own country. If you can imagine, 32 00:03:09,120 --> 00:03:14,159 take eighty five thousand people, multiply it, multiply it by thirty five, 33 00:03:14,199 --> 00:03:17,199 and there you have the number of Americans that would be displaced by an 34 00:03:17,319 --> 00:03:23,439 enemy that's sitting on America's borders. This is an impossible situation, but it's 35 00:03:23,479 --> 00:03:29,759 one that Israel that the Jrusalem Center for Foreign Affairs has been monitoring and countering 36 00:03:29,840 --> 00:03:36,199 for years, exposing the Iranian regime and its terror proxy strategy. And I 37 00:03:36,240 --> 00:03:42,159 think after October seventh, which in which the Iranian regime finance strategized, arms, 38 00:03:42,159 --> 00:03:50,240 supplied, and inspired it's sunny proxies called Hamas, we know that Tehran 39 00:03:50,520 --> 00:03:54,120 is the address. It's the address for a lot of the terror activity that's 40 00:03:54,159 --> 00:04:00,000 actually going on out of the United States' southern border, working directly with the 41 00:04:00,080 --> 00:04:06,240 Mexican drug cartels, working directly in the Triborder area in the southern part of 42 00:04:06,319 --> 00:04:12,599 Latin America. This is a global threat that with the drewsm Center, Public 43 00:04:12,759 --> 00:04:16,279 Republic and now Foreign Affairs have been trying to alert the world to this threat. 44 00:04:16,319 --> 00:04:19,120 It's not just a threat against the Jews, it's not just a threat 45 00:04:19,120 --> 00:04:23,800 against the Jewish state. It's a threat against America. And the Jewsim Center 46 00:04:23,800 --> 00:04:30,439 for Foreign Affairs is committed to raising this alarm and to really trying to caution 47 00:04:30,600 --> 00:04:36,199 the great American people as to this Iranian global threat that it says itself intention 48 00:04:36,519 --> 00:04:41,199 is to take over the world. That's what it says. That the Ahmedinajad, 49 00:04:41,560 --> 00:04:46,000 the former prime minister, former president of Iran, made it very clear 50 00:04:46,920 --> 00:04:53,319 some twenty years ago, and the Raisi the current leader under Ali Khamenei, 51 00:04:53,920 --> 00:04:59,000 they grant the aetola has made it very clear to the Middle East, and 52 00:04:59,040 --> 00:05:01,279 they've made it the make very clear to the West. And it's really incumbent 53 00:05:01,360 --> 00:05:05,000 upon the West Matt to wake up and understand that the Iranian regime, it's 54 00:05:05,040 --> 00:05:11,319 on his borders. Iranian regime has the complete intention of trying to take over, 55 00:05:11,439 --> 00:05:15,120 destroy and take over the West, one country at a time. As 56 00:05:15,160 --> 00:05:18,040 you said, Dan, you know, this isn't something that just popped up 57 00:05:18,079 --> 00:05:24,800 overnight. Unfortunately, there are some people who truly believe this in this country 58 00:05:25,519 --> 00:05:28,639 and elsewhere in the world. I mean, Israel has been fighting for its 59 00:05:28,839 --> 00:05:34,399 very existence from the beginning of existence as a nation, not even a century 60 00:05:34,439 --> 00:05:42,120 old country now after World War II, the foundation of Israel, and this 61 00:05:42,160 --> 00:05:46,439 has been a struggle, of course, an existential struggle since the very beginning 62 00:05:46,560 --> 00:05:53,480 of the formation of the country. But nothing like what happened on October seventh. 63 00:05:53,519 --> 00:05:58,360 Take me there personally for you and to the citizens of Israel what that 64 00:05:58,560 --> 00:06:03,839 day was like, because because you are in Israel on a very frequent basis, 65 00:06:03,879 --> 00:06:06,720 of course, well I live in Israel. My son, who is 66 00:06:06,800 --> 00:06:12,399 actually with me right here in New York right now, is in a very 67 00:06:12,439 --> 00:06:23,079 sensitive, very sensitive position in this current Iranian attack against us, and so 68 00:06:24,120 --> 00:06:27,160 I'm very very well aware of what's been going on. Just one point of 69 00:06:27,199 --> 00:06:30,360 context here, Matt. Israel's re establishment in nineteen forty eight was the third 70 00:06:30,439 --> 00:06:40,199 time in history that the Jewish sovereignty was established. Remember, Israel one of 71 00:06:40,199 --> 00:06:43,279 the oldest nations in the world. We're thirty six hundred years old. We 72 00:06:43,279 --> 00:06:46,759 were in the the land of Israel three thousand years ago in King David and 73 00:06:46,800 --> 00:06:53,720 then his son King Solomon established Jerusalem as israel capital. And then we were 74 00:06:53,959 --> 00:06:56,480 exiled, as you know, by the Bibb. We were exiled by the 75 00:06:56,519 --> 00:07:02,199 Babylonians, came back under King Cyrusly, the Persian king who enabled us, 76 00:07:02,279 --> 00:07:06,519 allowed us to re establish our capital in Jerusalem, and then we had another 77 00:07:06,560 --> 00:07:13,360 five hundred years of independence until the Romans massacred us and mass murdered kicked us 78 00:07:13,360 --> 00:07:16,959 out. So the nineteen forty eight was the third time in history that there 79 00:07:16,959 --> 00:07:21,759 was a Jewish commonwealth, independent commonwealth in the very land of Israel that the 80 00:07:21,800 --> 00:07:27,480 state of Israel exists today. So why do I go to great pains to 81 00:07:27,519 --> 00:07:33,879 point that out to your listeners? Is that what the Palestinian Arabs have been 82 00:07:33,920 --> 00:07:40,800 saying for the last hundred years. They didn't even call themselves Palestinians. As 83 00:07:40,839 --> 00:07:44,600 a matter of fact, Jews were called Palestinians beginning the beginning of last century, 84 00:07:44,920 --> 00:07:47,680 and the Arabs were just called They called themselves Arabs. Their capital was 85 00:07:47,680 --> 00:07:51,639 in Damascus, it was not in Ramala, it was not in Israel. 86 00:07:51,720 --> 00:07:59,160 So the point here being that they, the Arabs in what had been called 87 00:07:59,160 --> 00:08:03,839 British Mandate Palesteine and then subsequent to Israel's re establishment nineteen forty eight, had 88 00:08:03,879 --> 00:08:11,600 basically called israelis a colonialist imperialists, when in fact it was the Islamic Empire, 89 00:08:11,680 --> 00:08:15,160 you know, in the seventh century that was one of the biggest imperial 90 00:08:15,399 --> 00:08:22,000 colonialist powers in the world, enslaving Africans and enslaving other Arabs. And so 91 00:08:22,360 --> 00:08:33,000 the idea of calling Israel colonialists is really just a contemporary strategic attempt to delegitimize 92 00:08:33,440 --> 00:08:39,279 the indigenous people in the Middle East, which are the Jews. The vast 93 00:08:39,360 --> 00:08:46,679 majority of Israelis today come from Arab lands and predated Islam so by fifteen hundred 94 00:08:46,759 --> 00:08:52,000 years. So this whole notion of the colonialization of the indigenous population of the 95 00:08:52,080 --> 00:08:56,399 Jewish state is merely a political warfare tool. The Soviets used it, the 96 00:08:56,480 --> 00:09:01,519 Nazis used it, the Arabs used it, and in fact they're trying to 97 00:09:01,559 --> 00:09:05,720 cast us as white Europeans when Israel is not a white European country. It 98 00:09:05,840 --> 00:09:09,879 is a brown and black majority country and has been since for thirty six hundred 99 00:09:09,960 --> 00:09:13,080 years. So just to make that contextual point is very important because that's been 100 00:09:13,200 --> 00:09:18,360 the so called Palestinian Arab strategy, is to try to delegitimize Israel, to 101 00:09:18,360 --> 00:09:24,200 try to cast us as another South African apartheid country. You know when in 102 00:09:24,240 --> 00:09:30,759 fact, they know darn well who the indigenous population is here. And October 103 00:09:30,759 --> 00:09:37,320 seventh was a reminder that, as we said on your radio show just the 104 00:09:37,360 --> 00:09:43,080 other day, that in fact, what we are facing as the United States, 105 00:09:43,240 --> 00:09:46,759 as Israel, as the whole Western alliance, is holy war. It 106 00:09:46,840 --> 00:09:52,360 is jihad. That is what Hamas taught the free world on October the seventh. 107 00:09:52,480 --> 00:09:56,399 So for people to think that October the seventh was an extension of the 108 00:09:56,480 --> 00:10:01,039 Palestinian Israeli conflict, which was, you know, always casts as a territorial 109 00:10:01,080 --> 00:10:05,600 conflict, one that is political in nature, one that can be that can 110 00:10:05,639 --> 00:10:11,480 be solved by creating another Palestinian state. It's absolutely not the case. And 111 00:10:11,519 --> 00:10:15,039 that's what Hamas was trying to teach us by calling it the al Aksa flood. 112 00:10:15,240 --> 00:10:20,919 If you notice, the Hamas always uses religious references when they engage in 113 00:10:20,960 --> 00:10:24,919 mass murder, torture, mass rape, and brutalization of our people, because 114 00:10:24,960 --> 00:10:28,360 for them, this is a religious experience. For the Hamas, this is 115 00:10:28,720 --> 00:10:33,039 jihad. It is the world of war versus the world of Islam. And 116 00:10:33,080 --> 00:10:37,440 it's once it's a binary choice. Either you're with them, it's either you're 117 00:10:37,759 --> 00:10:41,919 in favor of a wak what they call a holy trust in Islamic holy trust, 118 00:10:41,960 --> 00:10:46,639 which they think every every ounce, every inch of the land of Israel 119 00:10:46,720 --> 00:10:52,080 is part of Islam. It is not, it should not be accorded to 120 00:10:52,159 --> 00:10:58,120 Jews any legitimacy whatsoever. And in fact, they see they see Israel as 121 00:10:58,159 --> 00:11:01,559 an extension of the United States in the Middle East. This is what Osama 122 00:11:01,600 --> 00:11:07,000 bin Laden said just ten years before nine to eleven and on nine to eleven 123 00:11:07,039 --> 00:11:15,879 itself. So that's the way that extremist Islam, whether it's the Shiite variety 124 00:11:16,159 --> 00:11:20,360 coming out of Tehran, or whether it's the Salafi Jihada's variety that we see 125 00:11:20,399 --> 00:11:26,879 in Isis and al Qaida, they see this as a epic religious war of 126 00:11:28,039 --> 00:11:33,279 Islam against the Christians and the Jews. That's the way this is. That's 127 00:11:33,320 --> 00:11:37,799 what October seventh was about. It was about a war against the Christians and 128 00:11:37,840 --> 00:11:43,080 the Jews by the civilization of radical Islam. I mean, the history is 129 00:11:43,279 --> 00:11:48,559 clear, it's robust, and it's clear. I mean, we understand the 130 00:11:48,600 --> 00:11:56,080 battles that have gone on over millennia in this fight. So I guess the 131 00:11:56,279 --> 00:12:05,279 question that comes up is how why do you think that this unholy war that 132 00:12:05,279 --> 00:12:15,919 Hamas and the you know, their supporters, their backers have pushed. Why 133 00:12:16,000 --> 00:12:22,519 do you think that they have gained so much currency as victims in what happened 134 00:12:24,279 --> 00:12:31,320 following a previous before October seven, twenty twenty three and after, Because it's 135 00:12:31,519 --> 00:12:35,559 very difficult for the rational human mind to look at what happened on October seven, 136 00:12:35,600 --> 00:12:41,240 twenty twenty three, to look at the crimes against humanity, the worst 137 00:12:41,600 --> 00:12:50,519 attack on Jews and Israel, on Jews in general since the Holocaust. You 138 00:12:50,559 --> 00:12:58,000 know, these were barbaric acts of inhumanity perpetrated in the name of some sort 139 00:12:58,080 --> 00:13:05,519 of listed religious idea. And that's that's very clear, it should be very 140 00:13:05,559 --> 00:13:11,440 clear to most people. And yet you know this victimhood of Hamas, and 141 00:13:11,600 --> 00:13:18,200 you know the people who live there who back Hamas and who provide resources to 142 00:13:18,320 --> 00:13:24,000 Maas, who support them, and a vast majority of people living in Gaza 143 00:13:24,039 --> 00:13:28,440 support Hamas. How does that How do we get to that point where somehow 144 00:13:28,080 --> 00:13:35,440 they are the victims in this struggle? Well, first of all, there 145 00:13:35,600 --> 00:13:41,799 is a cognitive dissonance taking place here. The Arab Muslim establishment, Saudi Arabia, 146 00:13:41,279 --> 00:13:46,519 Bahrain, the United United Arab Emirates, Morocco, the Middle Eastern countries 147 00:13:46,639 --> 00:13:54,480 know that October seventh was a savage, barbaric act by a bunch of uh, 148 00:13:54,919 --> 00:14:00,240 you know, by a bunch of savages. They know that what what 149 00:14:00,440 --> 00:14:05,879 the success, the success of Hamas has been, the success of Hamas has 150 00:14:05,919 --> 00:14:09,720 been in the West, uh. And and what they have done is to 151 00:14:09,840 --> 00:14:18,919 convince uh, the the Western discourse that that they are victims. And this 152 00:14:18,039 --> 00:14:24,480 is this happened some decades ago in what is called the Red Green Alliance, 153 00:14:24,600 --> 00:14:37,600 meaning the alliance of grievances between radical secular Marxist secular Marxist ideology as well as 154 00:14:37,840 --> 00:14:45,240 connecting intersecting with Islamic ideology around the notion that they are victims. The Islamists 155 00:14:45,240 --> 00:14:50,200 claim that they are the victims of the West, and the the red which 156 00:14:50,240 --> 00:14:54,759 is the Marxist, the Stalinist, the Marxist Leninists, they claim that they 157 00:14:54,759 --> 00:15:00,159 are the victis of the of the of the capitalists West. And they they 158 00:15:00,200 --> 00:15:05,919 see, you know, white supremacist capitalists in the West and Israel among them, 159 00:15:07,279 --> 00:15:15,039 as victimizing them. So you have here an intersectionality, a convergence of 160 00:15:16,080 --> 00:15:20,600 radical victim the sense of victimization and The odd thing is that so many of 161 00:15:20,639 --> 00:15:28,279 the supporters of Hamas in the West would themselves be murdered, like the lgt 162 00:15:28,279 --> 00:15:33,360 b Q community, A lot of the minority communities that are supporting Hamas would 163 00:15:33,360 --> 00:15:39,360 themselves be murdered within minutes about entering Gaza because their far left ideologies are an 164 00:15:39,360 --> 00:15:46,840 anathema to the Hamas itself. But what what Yasir Arafat succeeded to do decades 165 00:15:46,879 --> 00:15:54,919 ago is to read the sense of self guilt that was evolving in America, 166 00:15:54,919 --> 00:16:03,919 particularly during the Vietnam years, the sense that America had a profound civil disagreement 167 00:16:04,320 --> 00:16:11,039 among whether you know whether the Soviet back North Vietnamese. You know, that 168 00:16:11,519 --> 00:16:17,559 whole what they called the Domino effect, that the Soviets had prosecuted wars in 169 00:16:17,600 --> 00:16:22,879 North Korea and then in Vietnam, and the civil discourse in America that was 170 00:16:23,080 --> 00:16:30,039 unsure whether it should be at war, you know, nine thousand miles away, 171 00:16:30,919 --> 00:16:36,360 where the Soviets were gobbling up countries one after the other, and Ora 172 00:16:36,480 --> 00:16:41,879 fought. Understood in those years that America had sort of lost its mojo, 173 00:16:41,080 --> 00:16:45,039 had lost its confidence, had been split down the middle. We remember the 174 00:16:45,080 --> 00:16:49,600 Columbia university riots back in nineteen sixty eight. Here you have the Columbia University 175 00:16:49,679 --> 00:16:53,879 riots in twenty twenty four. Then they weren't targeting the Jews. Here they 176 00:16:53,919 --> 00:16:59,320 are. And the reason is guess what else happened in nineteen sixty eight or 177 00:16:59,440 --> 00:17:04,720 nineteen sixty seven. Israel was nearly extinguished by four Arab countries, and it 178 00:17:04,759 --> 00:17:10,519 miraculously won the nineteen sixty seven war, and in a miraculous move, in 179 00:17:10,559 --> 00:17:14,839 six days, it tripled its size against its will, it tripled its sides. 180 00:17:14,880 --> 00:17:18,119 It won the Sinai Desert, It won the Golan Heights, it won 181 00:17:18,200 --> 00:17:22,319 Judensumari otherwise known as the former West Bank of Jordan, all within six days. 182 00:17:22,519 --> 00:17:26,400 So while America was questioning itself and its own virtue, its own sense 183 00:17:26,440 --> 00:17:32,519 of justice, its own sense of being a victor versus a victim, Israel 184 00:17:33,680 --> 00:17:37,480 won a stunning defeat against four Arab countries and tripled its size. So it 185 00:17:37,519 --> 00:17:41,599 was that it was that sort of perfect storm, if you will, that 186 00:17:41,720 --> 00:17:48,400 all of a sudden began to recast Israel decades ago in the late nineteen sixties 187 00:17:48,440 --> 00:17:56,119 early nineteen seventies as this sort of colonialist, this fake but perceptibly colonialist power 188 00:17:56,440 --> 00:17:59,519 that had tripled its size, even though it went against his will. So 189 00:17:59,559 --> 00:18:04,519 you began to see the seeds of this already decades ago, and Arafat played 190 00:18:04,559 --> 00:18:10,519 it perfectly. He recast as the white South Africa. He racialized the conflict. 191 00:18:10,720 --> 00:18:15,160 He connected with the as you remember the Civil rights movement and then the 192 00:18:15,200 --> 00:18:19,759 black militancy movement in the United States with Malcolm X and Lewis Farrakhan and Stokely 193 00:18:19,759 --> 00:18:26,839 Carmichael and Huey Newton. Arafat connected with those leaders and basically recast Israel the 194 00:18:26,880 --> 00:18:32,200 way many in the United States were recasting the United States as an oppressor, 195 00:18:32,400 --> 00:18:36,799 as a colonialist, as an empire, as white supremacist. And there you 196 00:18:36,880 --> 00:18:40,920 have it. That was sort of the run up and the context to October 197 00:18:40,960 --> 00:18:45,960 the seventh in the minds of not a few people, you know, in 198 00:18:47,240 --> 00:18:51,759 the left, the American left. This has been cooking, This has been 199 00:18:51,839 --> 00:18:56,240 bubbling for decades, and it really exploded on on October the seventh. And 200 00:18:56,559 --> 00:19:00,240 that is why we see this unholy as you call it, this sort of 201 00:19:00,319 --> 00:19:07,240 unholy alliance between the radical Islamist and the radical Marxist Lenin has left here in 202 00:19:07,279 --> 00:19:11,279 America. It has been cooking now for fifty to sixty years, and I 203 00:19:11,359 --> 00:19:17,160 think what we have seen, as you mentioned October seventh, is you know, 204 00:19:17,200 --> 00:19:22,359 a day that will truly should live in infamy. But again for this 205 00:19:22,559 --> 00:19:29,160 unholy alliance, it is a day to celebrate what is I think astounding for 206 00:19:29,440 --> 00:19:33,160 Americans. And I think you just laid the groundwork as to why this happened. 207 00:19:33,519 --> 00:19:40,000 But what we saw in our college campuses from Columbia once again, you 208 00:19:40,039 --> 00:19:48,079 know, fifty years later, basically now you have an entire environment that is 209 00:19:48,200 --> 00:19:56,799 going on at Columbia and universities across the country where you had pro Palestinian pro 210 00:19:56,000 --> 00:20:03,799 Hamas demonstrations. You have so much anti Semitism that's going on in our college 211 00:20:03,839 --> 00:20:07,480 campuses. And I think there are a lot of Americans who watched that and 212 00:20:07,519 --> 00:20:11,720 said, how how did we get here? I think you just explained that. 213 00:20:12,279 --> 00:20:19,599 But I'm I think that the educational system in America, the indoctrination that 214 00:20:19,720 --> 00:20:25,680 has taken place in our institutions of higher education and now that's going on, 215 00:20:25,960 --> 00:20:29,799 you know, in our in our elementary and high schools across the country, 216 00:20:30,559 --> 00:20:34,599 that has informed the Marxist mind in this movement, in this alliance, as 217 00:20:34,640 --> 00:20:38,960 well, wouldn't you agree? Absolutely? In fact, America is going through 218 00:20:40,599 --> 00:20:45,039 in its in its blue cities, you know, a crisis. You know, 219 00:20:45,079 --> 00:20:49,119 your gender is up for grabs. There's there's no you know, you 220 00:20:49,160 --> 00:20:52,920 can't you can't lie about your address, right, your addresses, your address, 221 00:20:52,920 --> 00:20:56,759 but you can lie about your gender. You can convince yourself. You 222 00:20:56,839 --> 00:20:59,480 know, people are convincing themselves that they're men, if they're women, if 223 00:20:59,519 --> 00:21:04,440 they're boys, if they're girls. And our institutions are in our school institutions 224 00:21:04,519 --> 00:21:15,079 are actually in some way celebrating and sympathizing with these choices where everything is subjective, 225 00:21:15,119 --> 00:21:18,319 there's no more objective truth. And if we have a world in which 226 00:21:18,359 --> 00:21:22,480 there's no objective truth and that anything is accepted, well, then you know, 227 00:21:22,599 --> 00:21:26,720 Jews can be you know, Jews can be recast as evil once again, 228 00:21:26,799 --> 00:21:30,359 the Jewish state can be recast as a source of evil. You can 229 00:21:30,400 --> 00:21:38,359 actually, though, the Hamas celebrated mass raping of children and women, documenting 230 00:21:38,400 --> 00:21:44,880 it in their own go pro cameras and then denying it and having those denials 231 00:21:44,920 --> 00:21:49,200 be affirmed by people, by young men and women going to places like Harvard 232 00:21:49,279 --> 00:21:55,000 and Yale and Penn and you know, University of Michigan even you know, 233 00:21:55,559 --> 00:22:00,400 and and the New York University system is absolutely astounding that that they themselves, 234 00:22:00,440 --> 00:22:10,279 the Hamas themselves, are celebrating these barbaric acts of middle of middle age savagery. 235 00:22:10,839 --> 00:22:14,200 And yet people, you know, and you have faculty members by the 236 00:22:14,319 --> 00:22:17,759 hundreds across these universities saying, no, there's no proof that had happened. 237 00:22:18,200 --> 00:22:22,839 So, you know, in a in a world that celebrates boys becoming girls 238 00:22:22,839 --> 00:22:26,319 and girls becoming boys, and Jews, you know, and Jews becoming the 239 00:22:26,359 --> 00:22:30,880 sources of evil everything, this is a world that's because that's that's that's turning 240 00:22:30,000 --> 00:22:37,640 upside down. So this is part of the intersectionality of grievances between everyone in 241 00:22:37,680 --> 00:22:41,480 America that sees him or herself as a victim and they have linked with these 242 00:22:41,559 --> 00:22:48,279 unlikely partners and allies in you know, an extremist right wing Islam, which 243 00:22:48,319 --> 00:22:53,039 is the ultimate Is that not the ultimate irony, It is the ultimate irony. 244 00:22:53,160 --> 00:22:57,640 Dan Diyker, president of the Jerusalem Center for Foreign Affairs, joining us 245 00:22:57,720 --> 00:23:02,720 on this edition of the Federalist Radio Hour, you just noted it in how 246 00:23:02,799 --> 00:23:10,119 remarkable we've seen such a change of course in our institutions of higher education. 247 00:23:11,759 --> 00:23:15,599 At one time, of course, you could count on these institutions of higher 248 00:23:15,720 --> 00:23:25,079 education to educate. And within that realm of education was the very real and 249 00:23:25,200 --> 00:23:30,640 tragic history of what happened in Nazi Germany, in countries in Eastern Europe, 250 00:23:30,680 --> 00:23:37,680 of course, in the Holocaust, the movement to destroy a people. And 251 00:23:37,440 --> 00:23:42,680 it is just absolutely astounding how we are at this point. As you just 252 00:23:42,799 --> 00:23:48,480 mentioned, now we have people denying the current attempt at the Holocaust. Remarkable 253 00:23:48,480 --> 00:23:56,079 how things change. It is remarkable that while the Iranian regime Hamas and Isbelah 254 00:23:56,680 --> 00:24:02,319 are trying to execute a publicly declared Holocaust, people denying the last Holocaust against 255 00:24:02,359 --> 00:24:04,359 the Jews, while their enemies are trying to carry out the next one. 256 00:24:04,519 --> 00:24:10,599 So that you know, that sort of I think sharpens the message here. 257 00:24:10,640 --> 00:24:15,559 And in fact the people talking about well, Israel can't really win in Gaza 258 00:24:15,559 --> 00:24:18,759 because it can't defeat the Hamas, it can't defeat ideology. Well, if 259 00:24:18,839 --> 00:24:22,000 history serves us properly, Matt, I think that our viewers, I'm sorry, 260 00:24:22,039 --> 00:24:27,200 our listeners, remember that the United States and its allies defeated Nazi Germany 261 00:24:27,200 --> 00:24:32,079 and World War two and Imperial Japan in World War Two, and today the 262 00:24:32,119 --> 00:24:37,240 Federal Republic of Germany and the Japanese are allies of the United States. So 263 00:24:37,279 --> 00:24:45,079 it is possible to defeat these extremist and these extremist ideologies because these extremist ideologies 264 00:24:45,119 --> 00:24:56,559 require a geographical location in order to seed their poisonous roots and develop and use 265 00:24:56,599 --> 00:25:02,200 a power base in order to threaten the three Free world. So if America 266 00:25:02,279 --> 00:25:07,079 determine what victory looks like, even if there were you know how many millions 267 00:25:07,079 --> 00:25:11,440 of civilians were killed in the Second World War on America's road to victory, 268 00:25:11,759 --> 00:25:17,160 and today you have twenty four thousand civilians that were killed have been killed in 269 00:25:17,559 --> 00:25:22,079 Gaza, mostly because the Hamas does everything it can to cause their death, 270 00:25:22,160 --> 00:25:25,839 as the Wall Street Journal pointed out just the other day. And still you 271 00:25:25,960 --> 00:25:30,039 have this complete cognitive dissonance in which Israel is being blamed for you know, 272 00:25:30,079 --> 00:25:34,599 God forbid for genocide when Israel, and I know this firsthand, drops leaflets, 273 00:25:34,799 --> 00:25:38,640 makes cell phone calls, does everything it can to get civilians out of 274 00:25:38,640 --> 00:25:42,920 harm's way in Gaza, when in fact, the ultimate irony is there were 275 00:25:44,039 --> 00:25:49,440 hundreds of documented cases of Gazen grandfathers and young people who took part in the 276 00:25:49,519 --> 00:25:53,519 atrocities of October the seventh. So for people that say that the public is 277 00:25:53,640 --> 00:25:57,400 should be separate, even the President of the United States said the Palestinian people 278 00:25:57,400 --> 00:26:03,200 are not represented by Hamas. That's total hogwash. They voted, they voted 279 00:26:03,200 --> 00:26:06,680 in the Hamas in two thousand and six, They've supported the Hamas since two 280 00:26:06,680 --> 00:26:11,119 thousand and six, and they participated with the Hamas on October the seventh in 281 00:26:11,279 --> 00:26:15,960 the worst mass atrocity against any democratic country, never mind the Jews, any 282 00:26:15,000 --> 00:26:19,160 democratic country since the Second World War in one day. Well, there in 283 00:26:19,200 --> 00:26:25,880 lies the real trouble in America in foreign policy, Dan Dyker, and that 284 00:26:26,119 --> 00:26:32,039 is we have a president and an administration. The policy is conflicted, and 285 00:26:32,079 --> 00:26:37,319 it's conflicted politically. It's hard not to see the sort of political calculus that 286 00:26:37,519 --> 00:26:44,160 the President, Joe Biden, and his administration and his campaign are playing trying 287 00:26:44,200 --> 00:26:51,480 to placate potential voters in swing state Michigan that have very different views than a 288 00:26:51,559 --> 00:26:56,880 lot of Americans on what happened in Israel in October seventh and what's been happening 289 00:26:56,039 --> 00:27:02,079 since. How do you feel about what is playing out, not only in 290 00:27:02,240 --> 00:27:11,960 terms of policy today from the United States and its president, but the political 291 00:27:11,240 --> 00:27:15,519 notions driving it. Well, first of all, I want to go on 292 00:27:15,599 --> 00:27:18,880 record as saying that Israel has always been a bipart is an issue in the 293 00:27:18,960 --> 00:27:25,640 United States. It's always been, you know, a subject of great support. 294 00:27:26,000 --> 00:27:30,680 It's been, it's been an issue of support both by Democrats, by 295 00:27:30,680 --> 00:27:33,640 both sides of the Aisle Republics and Democrats. But what happened, what has 296 00:27:33,759 --> 00:27:40,000 happened is that it's unfortunately, it has become a domestic political football, I 297 00:27:40,039 --> 00:27:47,400 think by the administration that certainly in an election year it started, it actually 298 00:27:47,400 --> 00:27:52,200 started under the Obama administration to become a more to become sort of recast, 299 00:27:52,359 --> 00:27:59,000 be fashioned as a domestic political issue. And then I think that I think 300 00:27:59,039 --> 00:28:03,359 that in the in the trut years it had been for Trump did not make 301 00:28:03,400 --> 00:28:08,400 it a domestic political issue, but the sharp left right divide in the United 302 00:28:08,440 --> 00:28:15,400 States became even sharper in Israel became sort of thrust in with the with the 303 00:28:15,839 --> 00:28:19,720 Republican side of the domestic political argument, even though from an Israeli point of 304 00:28:19,759 --> 00:28:26,160 view, Israel embraces you know, the majority of Jews in America actually vote 305 00:28:26,680 --> 00:28:30,319 they vote Democratic I mean, even though it may come down into the sixties 306 00:28:30,920 --> 00:28:33,640 at this juncture, and I think that creates a challenge. It creates a 307 00:28:33,720 --> 00:28:40,799 challenge for Israel and American Jews as well. But but nonetheless, the current 308 00:28:40,799 --> 00:28:49,640 administration believes that it can turn leftward to get enough support from from Muslim Americans 309 00:28:49,799 --> 00:28:56,839 in Michigan and Minnesota. But I believe that that, you know, Biden 310 00:28:56,880 --> 00:29:02,960 will be hard pressed to to turn leftward enough in order to please that particular 311 00:29:03,000 --> 00:29:10,000 constituency because the American people and the and they're duly elected representatives in the House 312 00:29:10,039 --> 00:29:15,599 of Representatives in the Senate are overwhelmingly supportive and appreciative of of Israel. We 313 00:29:15,640 --> 00:29:21,039 share the same values, we share the same worldview, you know, we 314 00:29:21,119 --> 00:29:26,000 come from the same Judaeo Christian roots, and and we share the same future 315 00:29:26,000 --> 00:29:30,200 of freedom, of democracy, of stability and security for all Americans. Uh. 316 00:29:30,359 --> 00:29:36,039 And that and that very much would make Israel in a sense the Canary 317 00:29:36,079 --> 00:29:40,799 and the Cold Mine, or makes Israel the front lines for America's war for 318 00:29:40,920 --> 00:29:45,920 freedom and security, especially in the Middle East. So we're we're sort of 319 00:29:45,000 --> 00:29:51,279 bound at the Judeo Christian hip for many for you know, several thousand years 320 00:29:52,119 --> 00:29:56,720 and we're bound at the strategic hip because we share we share the same worldview, 321 00:29:56,720 --> 00:30:03,079 and it is it is really a an issue that's very painful for Israel 322 00:30:03,160 --> 00:30:08,640 to see that. You know that Unfortunately even my former roommate, Tony Blinken 323 00:30:08,799 --> 00:30:14,079 is in not my room, my classmate at Harvard College nineteen eighty eight to 324 00:30:14,079 --> 00:30:18,519 eighty four, has put Israel in a position of great compromise. To really 325 00:30:18,559 --> 00:30:23,839 compromise the perception that we need to win, we must defeat the Hamas. 326 00:30:23,880 --> 00:30:29,440 If we don't defeat the Hamas Hamas and the Isabella any Rad, they're coming 327 00:30:29,519 --> 00:30:34,160 after America. I think that's what's lost in all of this. But politics 328 00:30:34,240 --> 00:30:37,960 is politics, of course, and as you said, you're absolutely right. 329 00:30:38,000 --> 00:30:44,599 You know, traditionally American Jews have voted for Democrats. That's been a reliable 330 00:30:44,680 --> 00:30:48,440 voting block for them. I think that that is very much changing, subject 331 00:30:48,480 --> 00:30:55,400 to change in this election. But what happens if Biden and the administration go 332 00:30:55,519 --> 00:31:02,920 through with the threat where they plays on the side of you know, the 333 00:31:03,000 --> 00:31:08,440 talking points about the destruction in Gaza and innocent lives on the line, all 334 00:31:08,480 --> 00:31:15,079 of that sort of thing, and they refuse to send needed weaponry to Israel. 335 00:31:15,480 --> 00:31:19,200 What happens, well, I think the United States will always send needed 336 00:31:19,240 --> 00:31:26,720 weaponry because again the weaponry approval financial approvals really come from the people. They 337 00:31:26,720 --> 00:31:30,200 come from the Congress of the United States. This is exactly why you know, 338 00:31:30,319 --> 00:31:36,119 in the Obama administration, he had to approve the thirty billion dollars ten 339 00:31:36,200 --> 00:31:41,880 year you know, financial package, because it's the will of American people. 340 00:31:42,960 --> 00:31:47,880 I think that there have been many, many mistakes that have been made, 341 00:31:47,960 --> 00:31:51,039 but I will say this, having lived in the Middle East and worked in 342 00:31:51,039 --> 00:31:55,400 the Middle East for thirty five years, you can always count on America's enemies 343 00:31:55,440 --> 00:32:01,599 and on Israel's enemies to help us straighten up and understand exactly who the enemy 344 00:32:01,640 --> 00:32:05,920 really is. And today the number one enemy of freedom in the world is 345 00:32:05,960 --> 00:32:10,839 the Iranian regime in Tehran. They are so dangerous, they are cunning, 346 00:32:12,279 --> 00:32:17,880 they are foxy, and unfortunately they are underappreciated. The level of danger and 347 00:32:17,960 --> 00:32:22,640 threat to the American people has still gone unappreciated in the public discourse in the 348 00:32:22,680 --> 00:32:27,640 United States. But I do believe to answer your question, that the Iranian 349 00:32:27,680 --> 00:32:34,000 regime will overreach. We are very close to a full fledged conflict in the 350 00:32:34,039 --> 00:32:37,279 North that is being prosecuted by the Iranian regime by the way of their number 351 00:32:37,279 --> 00:32:45,960 one terror proxy called the Hiabella. They basically control Lebanon, and if they 352 00:32:45,000 --> 00:32:51,039 overplay their cards, they're going to they're going to find themselves. In my 353 00:32:51,160 --> 00:32:55,119 assessment, they will find themselves thrust back into the Stone Age. So Iran 354 00:32:55,200 --> 00:33:00,160 has to be very careful about the decisions that they make because the State of 355 00:33:00,200 --> 00:33:07,359 Israel is completely united against this existential threat. And believe me, the Iranians 356 00:33:07,440 --> 00:33:09,480 want to wipe out Israel. They tried to do it on October seventh, 357 00:33:09,640 --> 00:33:14,640 They wanted to do it on April. In April of twenty twenty three. 358 00:33:14,680 --> 00:33:20,119 They just didn't coordinate correctly with the Hamas, between the Hamas and Hibella. 359 00:33:20,240 --> 00:33:23,240 But let's remember what happened. On April fourteenth, twenty twenty four. The 360 00:33:23,279 --> 00:33:30,960 Iranian regime launched a three hundred missile drone attack against the State of Israel. 361 00:33:31,960 --> 00:33:38,519 And they are playing with fire and I think that, you know, it 362 00:33:38,559 --> 00:33:43,519 will remain to see what happens. But the United States, I believe, 363 00:33:43,559 --> 00:33:47,480 will always step up to Israel's side because they understand the Iranian regimes number one 364 00:33:49,359 --> 00:33:52,920 enemy is the United States they set it. Nineteen seventy nine, Grand at 365 00:33:52,920 --> 00:33:58,319 Attola Holmenae set it. He said that America is the big Satan, and 366 00:33:58,359 --> 00:34:01,599 they said Israel is a little Satan, and they're going after both of us. 367 00:34:01,680 --> 00:34:07,079 So the American people have got to make their leadership aware that we have 368 00:34:07,199 --> 00:34:13,679 got Iran must be stopped by all means necessary. Indeed, I believe that 369 00:34:13,719 --> 00:34:15,679 everything you just said is right is Rain. I just happen to have my 370 00:34:15,760 --> 00:34:21,800 misgivings about in administration that is, in effect, the sequel of an administration 371 00:34:22,519 --> 00:34:30,719 under President Barack Obama who brought paletts of cash to Iran and fooled with a 372 00:34:30,800 --> 00:34:36,519 nuclear deal that is very dangerous not only for the Middle East, not only 373 00:34:36,599 --> 00:34:38,760 for Israel, but for America as well. Let me ask you this, 374 00:34:38,880 --> 00:34:45,599 Dan, you live in Israel. I know you travel quite a bit, 375 00:34:45,719 --> 00:34:49,639 But what is life like today in Israel? And we talk about the support 376 00:34:49,679 --> 00:34:55,840 of America. Does Israel still have support from the Israelis? Well, it 377 00:34:55,880 --> 00:35:01,599 does. The big issue, of course, is that we live in this 378 00:35:02,079 --> 00:35:07,880 impossible, intolerable reality where we still have one hundred and twenty Israelis are being 379 00:35:07,920 --> 00:35:13,320 held hostage and brutalized every day by the Hamas. I don't think there's a 380 00:35:13,360 --> 00:35:16,360 precedent in modern political history. I mean, take take one hundred and twenty 381 00:35:16,360 --> 00:35:22,519 and multiply that, you know by thirty five, and so you know you've 382 00:35:22,559 --> 00:35:25,559 got what You've got five thousand, six thousand Americans being held hostage. Could 383 00:35:25,599 --> 00:35:31,280 you imagine if five to six thousand Americans were being held hostage in a neighboring 384 00:35:31,320 --> 00:35:35,519 country, what the United States would do to get them back? You know, 385 00:35:35,559 --> 00:35:39,960 the the amount of destruction and power projection the American whatever American government would 386 00:35:39,960 --> 00:35:45,039 happen to get their their people back from a Can you imagine al Kaieda after 387 00:35:45,119 --> 00:35:49,440 nine to eleven, taking you know, five six thousand people hostage, not 388 00:35:49,719 --> 00:35:53,280 to mention the fact that they killed three thousand Americans in one day. So 389 00:35:53,679 --> 00:35:59,199 this is what Israel's living with domestically, and this is exactly what Iran and 390 00:35:59,239 --> 00:36:02,559 the Hamas want. They wanted to to try to destroy Israel from the inside 391 00:36:02,760 --> 00:36:08,599 by creating a type of societal internal societal warfare over the issue of the hostages. 392 00:36:08,639 --> 00:36:15,039 Because even though Iran sacrifices its own people, the Hamas willingly sacrifice their 393 00:36:15,039 --> 00:36:20,960 own people. They know that Israel loves every individual soul is a world of 394 00:36:21,000 --> 00:36:27,000 itself, so that so it creates a tremendously difficult situation internally as to do 395 00:36:27,079 --> 00:36:30,400 you what do you do to get those hostages back? And you know, 396 00:36:30,519 --> 00:36:38,440 thus far Israel has taken every possible measure in order to get the right intelligence 397 00:36:38,440 --> 00:36:44,199 to get its people back. But it does create internal internal challenges because look, 398 00:36:44,199 --> 00:36:46,079 if either you or I were a mom or a dad, or a 399 00:36:46,079 --> 00:36:50,119 brother or a sister or a family member of any one of those hostages, 400 00:36:50,159 --> 00:36:53,320 we'd be out there demonstrating for their return at any cost as well. But 401 00:36:53,360 --> 00:36:58,960 then again the question becomes, do you you know, what do you sacrifice? 402 00:36:58,960 --> 00:37:04,000 What's the cost of compromising with the Jihati terror organization to get back one 403 00:37:04,079 --> 00:37:07,280 hundred and twenty hostages and many of them are dead by the way. We 404 00:37:07,400 --> 00:37:13,480 know that they've been executed in captivity, and we hope that that's not the 405 00:37:13,519 --> 00:37:16,400 case, but from what we understand, it is the case. And you 406 00:37:16,440 --> 00:37:21,440 know, what do you do in order not to signal weakness but to signal 407 00:37:21,599 --> 00:37:24,639 overwhelming strength, especially to the rest of the Middle East. All eyes of 408 00:37:24,679 --> 00:37:28,320 the Middle East are on Israel. What is Israel going to do? Will 409 00:37:28,719 --> 00:37:31,840 it stick? It out and emerge victorious against this Jihati ter organization. The 410 00:37:31,880 --> 00:37:36,880 Saudis are watching, the Iranians are watching, everyone's watching. So that's you 411 00:37:36,920 --> 00:37:39,719 know, those stakes are very high as to what the cost of victory is 412 00:37:39,760 --> 00:37:44,599 and what the cost of compromise. When people call for a cease fire, 413 00:37:44,760 --> 00:37:50,119 Matt, they're talking about having Israel cease and having Hamas continue to fire. 414 00:37:50,599 --> 00:37:52,639 Yeah, and that's the two front war that you're fighting. It's actually a 415 00:37:52,719 --> 00:37:55,400 multifront war. But really, when you you know, it's everything that we 416 00:37:55,760 --> 00:38:02,079 talked about on this podcast. It's not just the terrorist in Hamas. By 417 00:38:02,119 --> 00:38:06,800 the way, I think it's important that we reiterate over and over again, 418 00:38:07,800 --> 00:38:13,320 this is not These are not freedom fighters. These are terrorists listed as such 419 00:38:13,440 --> 00:38:16,159 by the US State Department. And your former classmate, of course, is 420 00:38:16,239 --> 00:38:22,960 the head of that in Anthony Blincoln. But you really are fighting a multi 421 00:38:22,000 --> 00:38:27,800 front battle. You're fighting the battle against the terrorist, and you're fighting against 422 00:38:28,719 --> 00:38:32,599 those who are aiding and abetting the terrorists. Quite frankly, those that are 423 00:38:32,639 --> 00:38:40,920 constantly calling for ceasefire. And that's why we have one of our biggest moments 424 00:38:42,000 --> 00:38:47,239 of a parent division in America. Certainly there is a small minority of people 425 00:38:47,320 --> 00:38:52,920 doing this, but it's still playing out in the media today. It is 426 00:38:52,960 --> 00:38:59,079 still becoming and still is an integral part of a conversation in this election. 427 00:38:59,519 --> 00:39:04,480 And as you say, politics is the driver often in all of this. 428 00:39:04,719 --> 00:39:10,760 So how do you how do you successfully fight these two battles at the same 429 00:39:10,840 --> 00:39:15,480 time. Well, you're absolutely right. This multi front war, believe it 430 00:39:15,559 --> 00:39:20,440 or not, we're fighting on at least seven fronts. It's extraordinary. There's 431 00:39:20,440 --> 00:39:23,840 a country the size of New Jersey that is fighting seven fronts. We're fighting 432 00:39:23,880 --> 00:39:27,840 the Iranian regime directly. We're fighting to his bull. In the north, 433 00:39:28,119 --> 00:39:30,360 we're fighting the Hamas. In the south, we're fighting the Huthis, which 434 00:39:30,400 --> 00:39:37,119 is a Schiite terror group that is now attacking American shipping and Israeli shipping and 435 00:39:37,199 --> 00:39:43,679 Western shipping. In the Red Sea, we're fighting We're fighting the Iraqi by 436 00:39:43,679 --> 00:39:46,440 the way, we're fighting the Iraqi special the Schiite forces that are under the 437 00:39:46,480 --> 00:39:52,000 control of the Iranian regime. And then we're fighting an international war for legitimacy. 438 00:39:52,280 --> 00:39:57,360 Of those people who are ignorantly and in the most misguided ways supporting the 439 00:39:57,480 --> 00:40:01,320 terrorists, they're not supporting the victims of terror, and they're actually supporting the 440 00:40:01,320 --> 00:40:06,360 Iranian regime. If you support Thamas, you're supporting Iran. So this is 441 00:40:06,400 --> 00:40:10,360 a This is you know, a seriously existential moment for the Jewish people and 442 00:40:10,400 --> 00:40:14,920 I think for the Western Alliance as well, because whatever happens to us is 443 00:40:14,920 --> 00:40:17,519 going to is happening to the free world. So how do you fight it? 444 00:40:19,239 --> 00:40:22,239 I think the first thing you do is expose. Expose, exposed. 445 00:40:22,760 --> 00:40:25,280 You go on offense, one hundred percent on offense. And you know, 446 00:40:25,320 --> 00:40:30,079 this is what the Iranian people say to us. We've worked with the Iranian 447 00:40:30,119 --> 00:40:32,880 people. The vast majority of the Iranian people, like ninety percent are pro 448 00:40:32,920 --> 00:40:37,719 democracy. These are people that are pro America, pro West, pro freedom, 449 00:40:38,039 --> 00:40:42,280 and they keep saying, why is the why are American governments, not 450 00:40:42,360 --> 00:40:46,280 just the current government, but many American governments in is nineteen seventy nine have 451 00:40:46,320 --> 00:40:52,360 actually legitimized the regime that represses its own people, that murders its own women, 452 00:40:52,719 --> 00:40:55,920 you know, for for not wearing the hijob the way they want them 453 00:40:55,920 --> 00:41:00,679 to wear the hijob, and for what they call averting what they call subversion 454 00:41:01,079 --> 00:41:07,039 of the regime in the worst possible torture, the worst possible brutality against its 455 00:41:07,039 --> 00:41:12,440 own people. So the first thing we need to do, as as Americans, 456 00:41:12,519 --> 00:41:16,000 as Israelis, as people in the free world, is expose the Iranian 457 00:41:16,039 --> 00:41:22,159 regime and completely boycott and shut down international trade. We've got to completely isolate 458 00:41:22,360 --> 00:41:25,679 the Iranian regime and then let the and let the people of Iran do their 459 00:41:25,679 --> 00:41:31,000 own bidding and create a better future for their own, for their own you 460 00:41:31,039 --> 00:41:35,599 know, ninety million people or eighty eight million people in Iran. The second 461 00:41:35,639 --> 00:41:37,920 thing we need to do is completely expose the terrorists all the time for what 462 00:41:37,960 --> 00:41:42,519 they are, because there's a lot of moral confusion in the United States as 463 00:41:42,559 --> 00:41:45,800 to what you know as to what a terrorist really is. But if we 464 00:41:46,000 --> 00:41:52,280 basically remind people what Isis did to throughout the Middle East, as well as 465 00:41:52,320 --> 00:41:54,840 what ices did to American boys and girls who ended up in their hands and 466 00:41:54,920 --> 00:41:59,960 being decapitated, as well as what al Qaeda did on nine to eleven, 467 00:42:00,239 --> 00:42:05,679 that's what's happening today. And unfortunately there are those who are who have succeeded 468 00:42:05,679 --> 00:42:09,039 to misguide the American people to believe that this is actually a political problem. 469 00:42:09,280 --> 00:42:13,480 It's not a political problem. It's an ISIS problem, it's an al Qaeda 470 00:42:13,599 --> 00:42:19,320 problem. It's a religious ideological rejection of the Judeo Christian West, and we've 471 00:42:19,360 --> 00:42:23,760 got to understand that. You know that while we do have allies in the 472 00:42:24,480 --> 00:42:30,760 hour Muslim world, and I think that Saudi Arabia is a very brave Muhammad 473 00:42:30,760 --> 00:42:37,960 b and Salomon Crown Prince, very forward looking, brave, and I think 474 00:42:40,119 --> 00:42:45,440 an individual leader that can really take the Middle East to very important places. 475 00:42:45,760 --> 00:42:51,880 But we've got to expose the extremists, and we've got to expose the radical 476 00:42:52,000 --> 00:42:57,039 Islamists. Well, I think, whether we like it or not, that 477 00:42:57,159 --> 00:43:00,119 problem is America's problem too. I think there are a number of people who 478 00:43:00,119 --> 00:43:06,599 want to put their heads in the sand, particularly political leaders. But as 479 00:43:06,639 --> 00:43:12,199 we learned recently, and I think we're going to learn unfortunately over and over 480 00:43:12,280 --> 00:43:20,599 again, Homeland Security ICE agents arresting eight ISIS suspected ice ISIS members, with 481 00:43:21,159 --> 00:43:28,360 what our border policy is and the invasion of this country by the millions of 482 00:43:28,519 --> 00:43:35,199 people that we can't full We certainly have not vetted, some of those coming 483 00:43:35,239 --> 00:43:39,280 from very dangerous parts of the world, and some of those engaged in very 484 00:43:39,519 --> 00:43:49,639 dangerous activities. And I think Unfortunately, America could very well learn what Israel 485 00:43:49,880 --> 00:43:55,079 is learning now what America learned in on September eleventh, two thousand and one. 486 00:43:57,079 --> 00:44:01,599 I wish you nothing but the best of luck, in God's speed in 487 00:44:01,639 --> 00:44:06,480 your efforts. Sir, I very much appreciate your time, the generosity of 488 00:44:06,519 --> 00:44:09,280 your time, and your perspective today with great pleasure, and thank you to 489 00:44:09,320 --> 00:44:13,920 our listeners. Thank you to you, Matt, and that the American people 490 00:44:13,960 --> 00:44:20,719 should keep America strong and Israel. Israel loves the American people, and we 491 00:44:20,800 --> 00:44:23,400 ask for your embrace as well, so that we can emerge victorious in these 492 00:44:23,440 --> 00:44:28,119 forces of evil, and they are no less than forces of evil. That 493 00:44:28,199 --> 00:44:30,960 we have to emerge victorious and we will. Thanks to my guest today, 494 00:44:31,039 --> 00:44:37,400 Dan Deiker, president of the Jerusalem Center for Foreign Affairs, a leading independent 495 00:44:37,480 --> 00:44:44,960 research institute serving as Israel's global embassy for national security and applied diplomacy. You've 496 00:44:45,000 --> 00:44:49,000 been listening to another edition of The Federalist Radio Hour. I'm Matt Kittle, 497 00:44:49,119 --> 00:44:52,519 senior correspondent the Federalist. We'll be back soon with more. Until then, 498 00:44:53,079 --> 00:45:02,800 stay, lovers of freedom and anxious for the frame po