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a UFO over, Hey, we
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seven one golf. If it was
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like thirty seconds ago, we were
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OFFI the UFO. Yeah, it's
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you passed over, I got I
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from at least to three thousand feet
above us. See, I passed out

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over the thought of us. Ninety
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be be fours. They're after staying
the airplanes? Hey, is I to

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god on an unidentified object? Every
liberty four call or calm on an unidentified

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flying object? All right, we'll
look it on. Welcome to UFO Chronicles,

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a place where people share their experiences
of the strange and unexplained. If

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you've had an encounter, I would
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can email me at UFO Chronicles at
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welcome to the show. Here we
are on the last day of twenty twenty

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three. What a year. It's
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it this far. I won't be
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park either. But in the words
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destination, it's the journey. I'm
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podcast. Our last guest of the
year is Deborah in Idaho, and she

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would be sharing some of her UFO
science and paranormal encounters that have happened over

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Now on with the show. Hello, welcome to the podcast. Him

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next, it is wonderful to have
you with us today and you're calling from

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Idaho. Yes, I am northern
Idaho, right along the Canadian border and

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the Montana border. Oh lovely,
so you're right up there on that small

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strip of Idaho. Yes, Moye
Springs. Okay, now, Deborah,

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you come here to share your experiences. Would you like to start at the

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beginning, please, ma'am, yes, thank you for having me. Next.

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My experiences begin in twenty sixteen.
I think it began actually when I

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was born or soon after, but
nothing really coalesced for being until twenty sixteen.

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When I started, I had my
first sighting of a craft, and

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then I just have continued to have
that see different crafts throughout the last seven

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years or so. Up until twenty
sixteen, it was very busy raising my

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children. I was going to school, My sister was in medical school,

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and she had children at home that
I was helping her with. Our husbands

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worked out of state. They were
both did construction, and so we were

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just kind of on our own raising
kids, going to school, and life

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was just a marathon at that point. And by the time I got to

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twenty sixteen April of twenty sixteen,
I had my last board exam and my

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nose had just been stuck in a
book forever, and once that board exam

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was over, it was like I
was just kind of on my own little

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sabbatical. I could breathe a little
bit. I had removed some really big

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things from my place that was just
had become almost too much for me.

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So it was kind of an odd
time. Everything was kind of settled down

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and slowed down. And I think
I may have already said that we were

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living in living in Oregon at the
time. We had just moved there.

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We didn't intend to be there very
long. We were kind of in between

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spots, but we had been living
in Oregon for a while. We'd lived

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in mcmnfield and also Salem when I
first had When I had this first sighting

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in twenty sixteen, it was the
daytime sighting and I got up, kept

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in the morning, took care of
my animals. I began my morning routine,

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which was let my animals out that
were going out and feeding the ones,

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feeding everybody, making my coffee,
and it was just kind of a

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regular morning like that. I had
one daughter at home at the time,

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and she was up. She was
on the phone visiting with a family member,

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and it was everything. My coffee
was finished, my chores were done,

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and so I had picked up my
coffee and was going outside and the

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back patio smoke a cigarette and have
my morning coffee, and I sat down

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at the back. It was a
beautiful day in April. The flowers were

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bloomed out, the trees were bloomed
out. There was a few little puppy

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clouds in the sky, and I
was just very relaxed and just happy not

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to be sticking any more information into
my head and really enjoying my time right

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then. And as I'm sitting there
looking up into the sky, there's this

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one little puppy cloud that is just
directly in front of me. This I

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think I said that my bored exam
was in April, and this was in

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April, but this was I'm not
sure if this was at the end of

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April or in May. I don't
have a date for this one. It

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was just very nice out at that
time. And as I'm looking up at

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the sky, I see a flying
saucer come out from this cloud and it

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looks like your classic little flying saucer. There's a picture of one that was

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taken in Macmnsville, Oregon, years
and years ago. I don't have the

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date right now. I would want
to say it was the fifties, that

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I could be wrong forties or fifties, and it looked very, very similar

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to this UFOs that was in the
picture and others that I've seen that it

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just came out from this little cloud
and just stopped right there in front of

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me. When I saw it,
I was just really excited and delighted,

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and I thought it was just the
funniest thing that I was seeing a flying

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saucer right then. I remember sitting
there and just kind of giggling and thinking

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how funny this was, and not
believing that it was alien craft. As

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far as I was concerned. What
I was looking at was government craft,

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and that I was just having some
kind of a funny little trick being played

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on me and the rest of the
people that live there in that area.

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Because I'm thinking, you know,
other people are saying this, it's not

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up that high, and it's definitely
a flying saucer, So I'm excited to

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see it. I think I have
a funny response to it because I have

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no interest in going in the house
and telling my daughter I don't think about

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it. I don't think about going
and getting my phone, taking a picture.

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I'm just simply enjoying my coffee and
my cigarette and enjoying looking at this

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flying saucer that's setting up there in
the air in front of me. It's

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a really dark gray, it's not
black. It's like a gun metal grave.

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It has bubble on top of it, like the classic UFOs. The

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inverted bow of the top part is
slightly deeper than the bottom of it.

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The bottom of it is shallower.
It has rings that look like it's going

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around the edges of it, but
that's the only markings on it that I

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can see. These just look like
little grooves that stap around the edges of

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it. Has the big bubble on
top, and there's no windows. I

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don't see anything looking out. There's
no movement, not going anywhere up or

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down, sideways. Nothing. And
so I finished my cigarette, my coffee,

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and nothing has happened. It's still
just setting up there in the sky.

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And I go back into the house. I'm like, well, I

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don't know, I don't know why
I didn't respond any differently to this thing

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or think about it any differently,
But I will go back inside and I

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start just doing a few more chores
around the house. I put some laundry

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away, and I don't tell my
daughter anything about it. I still don't

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go get my phone, but I
can't get this thing out of my mind.

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And so approximately thirty or forty minutes
to go by, maybe a little

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bit longer, and I'm still thinking
about this thing. So like, well,

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I guess I'm I can't get this
thing out of my mind, and

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I've decided I'm going to go back
out there and see if it's still out

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there. So I go and get
another cup of coffee, get my cigarettes.

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I walk back outside, and as
soon as I can get to where

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I can look and see if it's
still there, I look. I haven't

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sit down yet, and it's not
there any longer. Really disappointed, my

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god, I really should have come
out sooner and checked this out. I'm

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already out there with my coffee again, and so I sat down and I

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light a cigarette, looking up at
this little puppy cloud. The same little

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puppy cloud is still there. It
hasn't moved or gone anywhere. And as

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I'm watching it, the flying Sauca
comes back out of this cloud, and

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there it is in front of me
again. And as soon as it does,

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I'm just completely overwhelmed with this feeling
of deja vous, and it's really

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unsettling. It's like, wow,
you know, it was this thing waiting

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for me. I don't know.
It was very odd, and I didn't

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really have a whole lot of time
to dwell on this feeling I was having

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that was a little bit spooky.
I almost immediately had a feeling that there

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was someone that was there with me, was very very close, like just

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in my face. Just a feeling
of really extreme fear came old for me,

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and I remember thinking, deav just
moves slow, act normal, pretend

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like you don't feel anything that's going
on the presence that you're feeling that's there.

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And so I put my cigarette out
and I picked up my coffee,

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and I tried to walk as normally
as possible back inside, and I closed

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the sliding door and threw the drapes, and I did not go back outside

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to the back of the house again
that day. If I went back out

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at all, I went to the
front. It was just this very strange,

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unsettling experience. I never told anyone
about it. I didn't talk to

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any of my children about it,
which typically they hear all strange things from

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me that I just thought, No, they're never going to believe me.

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They're just going to think, well, mom's moms think she saw flying sausa.

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So that was my first experience.
My second experience happened approximately a year

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later in an area between Chenie and
Tyler, Washington, and we had moved

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there. My daughter was accepted into
the university there. I was trying to

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get closer to Idaho, where I'm
from and moving that direction, so I

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was happy to move there. We
ended up renting a little place between Tyler

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and Cheenie, Washington, which is
outside of Spokane, Washington. It was

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on a very large ranch and there
were three other places around me to behind

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me and one off to the right. That was basically it. It was

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very much in the country and the
close and accessible to the things that we

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needed. This Spokane International Airport was
maybe twenty twenty five minutes away. There's

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an air Force base that is not
too terribly far away that area. The

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country there where I had this sighting
is known as the Polues. It has

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kind of rolling hills that go up
and down, and most of it is

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planted with different crops that's raised there
and the rest of it. There's a

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lot of ranch land, and the
area we were living was a ranch,

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and it was the place that the
home I was in was sitting on the

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top of one of these rises of
the rising hills, and so it kind

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of gave a view of everything.
It dropped down in the front of me

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where I would go out and sit
in the mornings. There was a little

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port and there was an area of
land that just kind of dropped down and

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was marshy, and then it was
rolled back up into together different parts of

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the out west where I could see
there was no other buildings around. On

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the morning that I had the second
sighting, it was it started off just

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like any of my other mornings there. I got up and I let my

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animals out, and I walked outside, and it was just this really overwhelming

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day. It was like I walked
into some different type of world. Everything

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was just crystal clear, and the
colors were just unbelievably vibrant, and everything

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was magnified. It felt like it
felt like all of my senses had been

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just turned up. It was a
dial. It was like it was turned

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all the way as far as it
would And I remember saying, remember thinking

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when I walked out there. Wow, this is this is a rare day.

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I've felt this before. It's something
that I've felt maybe once, maybe

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twice in my life. But that's
it. I've had this filling before.

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I've felt like this before. There
was just this filling, a bliss and

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expectation of something really wonderful, like
I was getting ready to spend time with

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my family do something fun. It
was just overwhelming, and I had a

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tough time dragging myself back inside to
do all of my chores that I had

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to do that morning, and some
of the animals had gone out, and

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I had made I made my coffee. But usually if I make my coffee,

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by the time I'm finished with all
of my chores, my coffee is

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done and then I can go outside
and sit down. And I kind of

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had the same thing going on this
summer. We had moved, We'd have

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a number of things going on.
My daughter was away house sitting, my

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other daughter was still at college in
Oregon, and so I was home by

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myself and just relaxing. No longer
in a marathon, but just some little

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sprints now. So when this morning
rolled around, it was it was just

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a nice relaxing morning, and I
was really looking forward to just enjoying my

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day. So I went back inside
and I started brushing around doing my chores,

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and my coffee was making, and
because I had hurried through my chores

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so fast, my coffee wasn't done
when it by the time I got done,

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and I remember remember mentally just trying
to hurry my coffee up so that

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I could go outside and have my
coffee. Anyway, I went outside and

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my coffee was finally done. I
went outside and I sit down on this

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little porch that faces directly west,
and I'm just overwhelmed with the day.

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And I remember thinking, God,
if every single day was like this,

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it would be just heaven on earth. It was just so incredible. There

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was such an overwhelming feeling of perfectness, and it was like everything wonderful in

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your life was just rolled into this
giant ball of bliss. I can't really

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describe it. It was just such
a big feeling, and I really didn't

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question it except that it was something
that I knew I had experienced before that

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it was very rare. And as
I'm setting outside facing where a beautiful,

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beautiful day, no clouds anywhere,
the sky is such a deep blue.

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I feel like I can look forever
and ever up into the sky and just

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see for a long ways everything is
just perfect. And as I'm sitting there

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enjoying this day, a little filled
mouse runs out in the area in front

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of me, and one of my
cats goes after it, and I'm just

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distracted for a second, and I'm
thinking, nothing can die today. This

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little fill mouth cannot be caught,
and so I'm making sure that the little

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mouse is position in a way that
he's not going to be caught. He

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goes under a wood pile. But
I'm distracted at that point, and I'm

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not looking up at the sky.
I'm not looking out sky in the countryside.

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I'm looking down at the cats in
the mouse. And just in the

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few seconds that I'm distracted by the
mouse was all it took for this craft

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to show up. And when I
looked up, there was this massively huge

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craft in front of me, and
it was so big that I could feel

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my mouth all open and i could
feel my eyes just kind of pop out

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of my head. It was so
gigantic. It stretched off to the right,

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and one end of it was directly
in front of me, looking straight

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west, but the rest of this
thing stretched off to my right going north.

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And I don't know how big it
was. I've gone over this in

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my mind on the size, but
the size was it was too much for

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my mind. The only thing I
could think, and it sounds odd,

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but the only thing I could think
was that is the biggest airplane they have

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ever made. And I was just
stuck with that thought in my head.

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I could not move anywhere beyond that
thought. That my mind froze there.

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It was so big that you could
you could have taken very large passenger jets

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or just stacked them in this thing
like match sticks. It would have held

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thousands and thousands of jets. I
don't know how something, I don't know

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how big something has to be to
do that, but it was very big,

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and I could only see like I
could see the other end of it

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peripherally out of my peripheral vision that
it was. It was big enough that

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I couldn't concentrate rate on the entire
craft all at once. I had to

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kind of look at it in sections. Almost I could see the whole thing.

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That the park that was the nearest
to me directly in front is what

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I could was really focusing on.
It did not have any wings or tail

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fins, didn't have any markings windows. Remember staring at the cone part knows

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at the end of it and thinking, that's where the pilot's supposed to be

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setting. I should be able to
see a pilot. This thing was gigantic,

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and it took a long time from
my mind to get to the point

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where I could think about something besides
the size of it and where the pilot

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should be setting. I had to
just overcome the size first, and once

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I got to that, once I
was able to comprehend the size of this

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things, and I was able to
start thinking about the fact that it wasn't

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moving, because I hadn't noticed that
yet. My mind had not taken that

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part in. It was like too
much to begin with, and it wasn't

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moving. It wasn't making any noise
at all. It was white. It

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looked like if you was to take
two passenger airplanes and cut them in half

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and then just take the two noses
and stick them together, make sure that

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there's no appendages anywhere, just this
thing and make it really really big.

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That's what it looked like. No
markings, no place for anyone to look

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out, just this really really giant, long thing in the sky, and

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it wasn't up that high. It
was just a little ways above the trees.

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So anyway, I don't know how
long I sat there, just trying

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to take the this thing in a
while, and then I started thinking,

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you know, I really need to
get a picture of this. I would

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like to get a picture of this, and because otherwise no one's going to

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believe me. I didn't even know
what I was looking at. I'm still

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kind of stuck in the airplane mode
because I've never really my mind hasn't been

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able to break through the ice that
this is alien craft. I am still

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stuck with this is the largest airplane
they have ever made, even though it's

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not moving, it's not making any
noise, and it has nothing sticking out

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on it, and it's way too
big for an airplane that I'm thinking,

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I need to go in and get
my phone, but I know I can't

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go in and get my phone because
it had shown up so quickly. When

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I looked down at the mouse and
the cat, my attention was averted only

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for a few seconds, and I
knew that as soon as I turned my

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back on this thing that there was
a very good chance it was just going

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to be gone. I did not
want to take that chance, and so

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I just was like I was settled
in there. It was like, Okay,

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I'm not moving. I am not
moving until I see this thing leave.

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I am going to see this thing
leave. Somehow it got here,

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it showed up, it got to
leave. And as I'm having this thought,

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there's a flash of light on the
very very top and center of it,

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and I'm thinking, oh, this
is like a sparkle off of chrome

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off of a car. I mean, that's what it looks like that there's

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nothing moving, that the craft didn't
move. The center's coming up. It's

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about by this time, it's maybe
ten o'clock in the morning. And now

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everything that I'm going to tell you
happened really really fast. The first part

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of this story, it kind of
is just a stretched out, weird story

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with how I felt and then this
thing showing up. But this second part,

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it happened very quickly. There was
a flash light on the top of

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it, and then as soon as
there's a flash of light, the end

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of the craft that's right directly in
front of me develops this fuzzy energy line

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type thing along the end of it. It runs from the top of the

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craft to the bottom of the craft. But as soon as it's made,

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this fuzzy energy line starts rushing towards
the center of the craft. And the

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same thing is happening at the other
end of this craft. And there's two

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fuzzy bars of energy like the heat
wave you would see over the top of

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a highway. It looks like some
kind of energy line. And as these

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two bars of energy that's the exit
exact height of the craft and depth,

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are rushing towards each other, the
craft itself is disappearing. As this fuzzy

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line passed over the craft, the
craft is no longer there. And my

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mind is I did not know a
mind could scream, but my mind just

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screams. It's shrinking itself. That's
the only thing I could think. It

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is shrinking itself. These two bars
of energy they slam together. There's no

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sounds that I can see that they're
just rushing at each other at a tremendous

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speed right in the center of the
craft, right for that flash of light

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had been at the top. That's
where these two bars of energy are going

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to meet. And they meet,
and as they meet, now the craft

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is completely gone. As soon as
they meet, they become a ball of

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light. And now this ball of
light is sitting down lower because this craft

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was really big. So now this
ball of light, it looks to me

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like it's now below the tree line, and it's big, and it's further

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down. Now. I'm looking off
to my right because when this craft trunk

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itself changed itself, I had to
look in that direction of that fuzzy bar

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of light ran in that direction along
the side of the craft that I'm looking

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at. I can see this ball
of light down there. Soon as it

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becomes a ball of light, it
takes off at a tremendous speed south.

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It goes me. It goes a
long ways, maybe a mile or two,

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I'm not sure. I'm not sure
how far I can see, maybe

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a mile. It goes for a
long ways and then it just shoots straight

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into the air. And this is
such an amazing day. It's, like

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I said, everything is magnified.
The sky is just this deep, deep

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blue, and this ball of light
just shoots straight up into the sky and

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I can see it for a long
time. At this point, I'm standing

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up on the porch and I'm looking
up the sky and it's just a teeny

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tiny pinprick of light up there and
then it's gone. And that was my

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second experience. And as soon as
it was finished, I was just like,

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me. They will never belave me.

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I moved where I'm at right now. I moved to Moye spring I was

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here for I moved here at the
end of twenty eighteen, and it was

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the end of twenty nineteen, so
nearly two years went by, approximately two

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years before I had my third siding. My third sighting was here at Moye

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Springs on this December seventeenth of twenty
nineteen. Siding I just spoke of was

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July twenty fourth of twenty seventeen.
That second sighting I just spoke of.

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One of the things I forgot to
mention is soon after that sighting took place,

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I told myself, I have to
get a picture of an airplane or

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something. Right Therefore, I saw
that I wanted to know exactly where I

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saw that craft stationed in the sky
at that time, and I figured the

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only thing I could do to kind
of keep that firm in my mind.

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Was to take a picture of an
airplane there. And because the air force

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base and the airport was so close
it was, I figured it would be

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simple enough to do that. And
it took a little bit of time,

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maybe an hour hour or so.
I took picture of a jet airplane that

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was right there. And it was
really disturbing to look that picture after I

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took it, because it was so
tiny. It was like looking at just

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a teeny tiny little thing compared to
what I had been looking at. It

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was unsettling. I had two other
things that happened there at that place before

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I move on to where I'm at
now in Idaho. My oldest daughter woke

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up at one point and in the
morning and she came out. She's mom.

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Looked at my stomach, and on
her stomach and just up over the

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edge of her rib cage was a
full handprint that was a bruise. If

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I was to put my hand and
just set my hand on her, it

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was like if you was to leave
an entire handprint on her. It's very

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odd. I didn't like it that. I didn't really want to say anything.

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I definitely did not want to mention
aliens and no contrust real beings or

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anything like that really get her freak
out. So I just kind of we

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just blew it off as she hurt
herself in the middle of the night as

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one of the stories we can tell
ourselves. I guess that at that time

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that's what we were going with.
Another night there, I woke up in

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the middle of the night and my
room was fully lit it there was some

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kind of a light outside. I'm
thinking, is this the moon? Because

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this is like about the brightest I've
ever seen in my room. And I

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was a little freaked out and spooked, and I refused to get out of

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bed and looked so kind of buried
myself back in there and went back to

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sleep. But that was a weird
feeling, and the room was way too

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bright to be like even a full
moon. It was just very, very

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bright, and the wind as a
curtains were drawn. So anyway, I

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moved to Moye Springs and I'm now
living there. It is December of twenty

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nineteen, and I'm taking my dog
out just before I go to bed,

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and I go outside, and by
this time I've been doing some research on

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UFOs and I've come across your show, and I'm thinking about talking to you

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about this second experience that I've had, because it was it just upended everything

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that I believed about this stuff.
I mean, I had kind of believed

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about that there was something probably that
I had not given it a whole up

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thought. Anyway, when I went
out, I had been listening to a

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little more information on it and was
doing some research and not really expecting to

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see anything else. And I went
outside, walked towards the front of where

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I'm living, and up in the
sky were two red orange balls just floating

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up there. And I got the
oddest sense of like, hey, guess

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what, we're here too. And
I was so shocked this time I did

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not even hesitate. My phone was
in the house, it was plugged in

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that I'm like, nope, I'm
getting in my phone. This is too

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much. I'm going to get a
picture of this. So I went running

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back in the house, yelled at
my daughter. She happened to be home,

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my youngest daughter, and I said
go outside and with in the sky.

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I didn't want to tell her what
to look for because I was afraid

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she'd be like, oh, mom, So I went and grabbed my phone.

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She ran outside and there's these two
red orange balls floating up and down.

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As we get out there, one
of them begins to disappear and it

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just completely disappears. The other one
remains, and it's just kind of rising

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up and then dropping down. It's
not going sideways, and it looks like

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a weird energy ball. It's kind
of pulp stating. And so I start

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videotaping and my daughter she's like,
oh, Mom, can is this cold?

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Can I go inside? And it
is cold, it's winter time,

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and there's no one ground. She
really doesn't want to stand out there and

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look at this red orange ball in
the sky. And so I'm like,

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yes, go ahead, go ahead
and go inside. I know you don't

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want to be out here. And
I just continued to videotape a little bit.

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00:37:30.880 --> 00:37:35.920
I tried to It was really hard
to try to get a good clear

410
00:37:36.000 --> 00:37:40.400
picture, and I tried to like
zoom in slowly and getting as clear as

411
00:37:40.480 --> 00:37:45.719
possible. And I did take a
couple of videotapes and I finished, and

412
00:37:45.960 --> 00:37:52.159
when I went to the house,
that red orange ball was still floating up

413
00:37:52.199 --> 00:37:54.360
and down in the sky. And
I didn't go back out to check and

414
00:37:54.559 --> 00:37:58.719
see if it was still there or
not. It was kind of interesting the

415
00:37:58.800 --> 00:38:01.639
responses that we that I had to
this step. However, it makes me

416
00:38:01.800 --> 00:38:08.360
wonder why even I've had some apathy
to it. But my thought was after

417
00:38:08.440 --> 00:38:15.159
seeing this, was I have got
contact NIX because this step is just these

418
00:38:15.159 --> 00:38:19.760
things are really starting to pile up
on me. And I was shocked to

419
00:38:19.800 --> 00:38:27.880
have this good siding. Approximately two
weeks later, fifteen minutes after midnight on

420
00:38:28.719 --> 00:38:32.559
twenty twenty, my daughter and I
had stayed up to welcome into New Year,

421
00:38:32.960 --> 00:38:37.679
and she had gone to bed.
I was taking my dog out one

422
00:38:37.679 --> 00:38:42.239
more time. Where I went to
bed, there was still a couple of

423
00:38:42.239 --> 00:38:47.760
fireworks going off, and I look
over towards this mountain range that's a part

424
00:38:47.760 --> 00:38:53.159
of the Rocky Mountains here that I
can see facing south and hanging over the

425
00:38:53.199 --> 00:38:59.360
top of this mountain range of three
red orange balls, just like what I

426
00:38:59.360 --> 00:39:04.480
had seen two weeks prior, on
the seventeenth of September. And so I

427
00:39:04.559 --> 00:39:08.480
go back inside and once again I
get the same feeling of hey, we're

428
00:39:08.519 --> 00:39:15.840
here observing, just checking out the
place. And I go outside and I

429
00:39:15.960 --> 00:39:21.199
start videotaping. One of them disappears, another one is there for a while,

430
00:39:21.280 --> 00:39:24.159
and then pretty student there's just two
of them are visible for a while,

431
00:39:24.239 --> 00:39:30.320
but then one of the second ones
becomes dimmer and lower, and then

432
00:39:30.360 --> 00:39:32.800
there's just the one remaining up there, but it stays there, and I

433
00:39:32.840 --> 00:39:37.280
do videotape for a bit and I
try to get the best picture I can,

434
00:39:37.440 --> 00:39:42.280
but it is difficult. You can
still see it there, and then

435
00:39:42.320 --> 00:39:46.960
that is my four sighting. My
fifth siding is kind of interesting because this

436
00:39:47.199 --> 00:39:52.119
was my fifth side. But since
I've seen it, I've now seen it

437
00:39:52.199 --> 00:39:59.079
three other times, and I've taken
pictures each time. This happened May whenning

438
00:40:00.039 --> 00:40:02.880
twenty meeting, sometime after the red
Orange balls. I have a picture,

439
00:40:02.960 --> 00:40:07.119
so it's timestamps that I don't have
it in front of me right now.

440
00:40:07.280 --> 00:40:13.559
Anyway, I walk outside once again. It was in the evening, and

441
00:40:13.960 --> 00:40:20.320
here coming towards me from the west
is this swing of light that is just

442
00:40:20.599 --> 00:40:24.800
absolutely beautiful, and I'm my first
thought is this looks like a spring of

443
00:40:24.800 --> 00:40:30.800
pearls, and it's just incredible,
and I'm just awed by it. And

444
00:40:31.360 --> 00:40:36.559
as it's crossing over the top of
me, I'm trying to run in and

445
00:40:37.320 --> 00:40:40.440
get my camera that I had just
plugged my phone in. It was almost

446
00:40:40.480 --> 00:40:45.440
dead, and this thing now has
passed over the top of my home.

447
00:40:45.719 --> 00:40:52.639
So I'm running out the other side
and I finally get just one quick picture

448
00:40:52.679 --> 00:40:55.760
of it before it's gone, and
I'm just amazed at what I'm seeing.

449
00:40:55.800 --> 00:41:00.039
I can't believe I've seen a fifth
raft after all of this. So I

450
00:41:00.159 --> 00:41:07.079
go inside and I start looking up
Spring the Pearls because that's what I just

451
00:41:07.199 --> 00:41:10.320
saw. Now. The oddest thing
with all of these sightings that I've had

452
00:41:10.800 --> 00:41:17.440
experiences is they all seem to come
with some type of an emotional response,

453
00:41:19.199 --> 00:41:23.239
and then there's all kinds of synchronicities
that come along with it. And so

454
00:41:23.320 --> 00:41:30.000
I looked up to Spring the Pearls
and it's like, supposedly Starlink. I'm

455
00:41:30.079 --> 00:41:32.559
like, okay, well, I
was a little bit disappointed, but not

456
00:41:34.480 --> 00:41:40.199
really buying it completely because of how
I felt whenever I saw this thing.

457
00:41:40.239 --> 00:41:46.280
It was just so incredibly beautiful.
And it was just not long after that

458
00:41:46.480 --> 00:41:52.599
I was listening to Jane's from the
A Steady Ranch talk about Starlink and he

459
00:41:52.760 --> 00:41:59.519
made the comment that Darlink was the
new swamp Gap or today, and I

460
00:41:59.599 --> 00:42:07.280
thought that's interesting and maybe makes a
little sense. Maybe Starlink was made to

461
00:42:07.760 --> 00:42:12.360
counterdictie Contradictee's rumors. Well, well, I guess, but not rumors,

462
00:42:12.440 --> 00:42:16.480
because people are seeing starlink or swings
the pearls all over the place. But

463
00:42:16.920 --> 00:42:23.480
I think, I think it's possibility
that maybe these springs of pearls is something

464
00:42:23.519 --> 00:42:29.760
that the government couldn't hide, knew
that they couldn't hide. Maybe starling was

465
00:42:29.880 --> 00:42:34.239
developed so that there was an excuse
to have these big strings of light follow

466
00:42:34.360 --> 00:42:37.159
the sky. I don't know either
way. I had another weird experience,

467
00:42:37.320 --> 00:42:44.000
well, exactly a year to the
day and one day later, and I

468
00:42:44.119 --> 00:42:49.920
was on the phone with my oldest
son and we were having a really good

469
00:42:49.960 --> 00:42:53.519
discussion about this sort of thing.
And I don't know if I was still

470
00:42:53.559 --> 00:42:58.440
on the phone with him or if
I had gotten off the phone at that

471
00:42:58.559 --> 00:43:02.400
point that I was still thinking about
the subject. And I pulled up my

472
00:43:02.559 --> 00:43:07.760
photo of the spring of pearls and
I'm looking at it, and I look

473
00:43:07.800 --> 00:43:08.840
at the date on it, and
I'm like, oh, my goodness,

474
00:43:08.960 --> 00:43:15.760
this was like exactly one year and
one day right now. And so I

475
00:43:15.800 --> 00:43:22.039
go to my window and I look
out my window and there is the spring

476
00:43:22.079 --> 00:43:25.400
of pearls set and s guy and
I take a picture. It's just getting

477
00:43:25.440 --> 00:43:31.119
ready to disappear over the eastward horizon. I take a picture, and I

478
00:43:31.199 --> 00:43:37.559
have that photo. My third experience
with the spring of pearls happened in September

479
00:43:37.719 --> 00:43:42.639
of this year. I'm going to
skip around a little bit because I'm going

480
00:43:42.679 --> 00:43:45.800
to stick to sift this particular graph
and for now. And I walk outside

481
00:43:45.880 --> 00:43:51.840
once again. I am on the
phone with my oldest son and we're visiting,

482
00:43:52.000 --> 00:43:53.880
not about not about this sort of
thing, I don't think, but

483
00:43:54.039 --> 00:43:59.480
were just visiting and having a good
conversation. And I walk out onto my

484
00:43:59.559 --> 00:44:05.320
front I look up, not even
up up, because my porch is elevated

485
00:44:05.559 --> 00:44:08.519
a little bit, and so I
just have a really nice view and Moya

486
00:44:08.840 --> 00:44:13.199
is there's not a whole lot of
light floating up here. And as soon

487
00:44:13.239 --> 00:44:17.320
as I walk out, there is
this beautiful spring of pearls and it is

488
00:44:17.440 --> 00:44:23.000
It's just there. It is not
moving at all, it's not going anywhere,

489
00:44:23.039 --> 00:44:28.440
and I'm just shocked. It's like, Okay, there's supposed to be

490
00:44:28.480 --> 00:44:31.199
a satellite right now. I don't
know anything about satellite. Maybe they can

491
00:44:31.239 --> 00:44:37.039
make them stationary. I don't know, but this thing is not moving.

492
00:44:37.119 --> 00:44:42.199
And I tell my son, I'm
like, hold on, there's something I've

493
00:44:42.199 --> 00:44:45.119
got to get a picture of,
and he's humoring me. He's like,

494
00:44:45.199 --> 00:44:47.400
Okay, go ahead, mom,
go get your phone. And so I

495
00:44:47.480 --> 00:44:52.679
go inside and I grab my phone
because I have headphones in, and as

496
00:44:52.719 --> 00:44:57.400
soon as I grab it, I
open it up to the camera because I'm

497
00:44:57.440 --> 00:45:01.440
thinking I'm not going to get picture. It's going to be already passed all

498
00:45:01.440 --> 00:45:04.920
the way over the house and gone
by the time I get out there.

499
00:45:05.039 --> 00:45:07.360
When I get out there, my
hand is still kind of moving when I

500
00:45:07.400 --> 00:45:12.519
take the picture, so it's not
the greatest, but it's still there.

501
00:45:12.880 --> 00:45:15.840
I take one picture, I look
down at my phone and I look happen.

502
00:45:15.920 --> 00:45:21.079
It's gone. And I'm thinking,
this doesn't seem like cal a satellite

503
00:45:21.159 --> 00:45:25.760
should be acting. But I don't
know enough about this. I saw this

504
00:45:27.519 --> 00:45:34.760
one more time, and that was
just this past month in my Boysie,

505
00:45:34.840 --> 00:45:38.159
Idaho. It was actually at my
parents' house in Loser, Idaho. I

506
00:45:38.239 --> 00:45:43.360
happen to go out to my car. This happened at like seven o'clock in

507
00:45:43.400 --> 00:45:46.000
the evening where I'm at now,
with a specific time, so it had

508
00:45:46.039 --> 00:45:52.000
been eight o'clock here in lloy Age. But I walked outside to my car

509
00:45:52.280 --> 00:45:59.880
and coming over the horizon, is
this just unbelievable string of pearls again?

510
00:46:00.800 --> 00:46:04.960
And so I go in the house. I have my phone. I go

511
00:46:05.039 --> 00:46:09.280
into house and I tell my mom
and dad and brother are all in there,

512
00:46:09.480 --> 00:46:14.000
and I tell my brother he should
come out and take a look at

513
00:46:14.000 --> 00:46:16.320
this. I think you'll find it
fascinating. And I don't want to say

514
00:46:16.360 --> 00:46:22.519
too much to my parents that gets
them excited because my dad's been having some

515
00:46:22.639 --> 00:46:28.880
heart issues and staying with my mom, so they're both in their early to

516
00:46:28.960 --> 00:46:35.679
mid eighties. Anyway, So my
brother comes out and he immediately starts recording.

517
00:46:35.760 --> 00:46:39.400
He's just fascinated, and my parents
come out. My mom just sees

518
00:46:39.679 --> 00:46:45.239
the tail end of it, and
my dad he says, he says,

519
00:46:45.360 --> 00:46:51.400
wow, I've never seen anything like
that. And this time they reacted completely

520
00:46:51.400 --> 00:46:54.480
different than all of the other times. The first time it passed from half

521
00:46:55.039 --> 00:47:00.239
to horizons. The second time it
was just on the horizon and I got

522
00:47:00.239 --> 00:47:04.679
a quick picture. The third time
when it disappeared, it was instantly.

523
00:47:05.280 --> 00:47:09.360
Every single light in that string of
pearls disappeared at once. This time.

524
00:47:09.840 --> 00:47:16.000
What happened was as this string of
pearls came up and reached the apex of

525
00:47:16.079 --> 00:47:22.079
the sky, each one of them
would go to the same spot and just

526
00:47:22.199 --> 00:47:25.280
disappear, one after the other.
So those are my sidings of the string

527
00:47:25.320 --> 00:47:31.599
of pearls. I have some other
sidings that are kind of odd. There's

528
00:47:31.840 --> 00:47:37.360
a photo out I took a screenshot
of it. Something that was happened in

529
00:47:38.159 --> 00:47:43.480
I see Las Vegas. There was
a reaction to it and it looked like

530
00:47:43.519 --> 00:47:49.360
a giant bubble. I'm not exactly
sure if who was supposedly launching it,

531
00:47:49.440 --> 00:47:53.679
but it looks like a big bubble. So what I saw was hot peak

532
00:47:54.039 --> 00:47:58.719
and it was out here in the
front and once again I was on the

533
00:47:58.760 --> 00:48:02.880
phone with my oldest son and I
was standing outside it the summertime. I

534
00:48:02.880 --> 00:48:07.000
don't have a picture of this.
It happens very fast, but there was

535
00:48:07.119 --> 00:48:14.440
just suddenly this giant hot paint bubbles
that went by in front of me.

536
00:48:14.880 --> 00:48:20.920
And I can mention one other siding
that happened. There's been a few other

537
00:48:21.039 --> 00:48:24.840
listenings too, but there's another one
that happened in Pacchini. And aside from

538
00:48:24.920 --> 00:48:31.440
the first one I had of the
flying saucer that boots me. This one

539
00:48:31.719 --> 00:48:37.039
also scared me, and it was
a little bit different. So I'm in

540
00:48:37.159 --> 00:48:42.519
Cheenie. My daughter is living there
and my son in law, and she's

541
00:48:42.679 --> 00:48:46.400
finishing school. They have an apartment
there. They're no longer they're living there,

542
00:48:46.440 --> 00:48:52.079
but she's finishing school, and I'm
spending a night with them. They

543
00:48:52.119 --> 00:48:55.159
have a deck on the back where
they live, and it's a two story

544
00:48:55.320 --> 00:49:00.320
place, so it's elevated, and
I have a really nice view. I'm

545
00:49:00.360 --> 00:49:06.480
looking out over just kind of an
edge of Cheenie, and I see this

546
00:49:07.400 --> 00:49:10.920
really bright light and it's way way
too low to be a star, and

547
00:49:10.960 --> 00:49:15.679
I'm thinking, well, I don't
think it's an airplane. It's stopped blinking

548
00:49:15.239 --> 00:49:22.039
that I'm really observing it, and
it just seems very very odd because it's

549
00:49:22.039 --> 00:49:24.719
too low to be a star,
and it's really really big and bright,

550
00:49:25.280 --> 00:49:30.559
and so I'm watching it, and
for some reason, I typically don't think

551
00:49:30.599 --> 00:49:35.559
out towards these things, but this
one I did, because they just kept

552
00:49:35.559 --> 00:49:40.039
getting brighter and brighter, and finally
I thought out towards it, Wow,

553
00:49:40.559 --> 00:49:44.800
you might want to tone it down
a bit there, brother, somebody's going

554
00:49:44.880 --> 00:49:52.239
to notice you. You're so bright, and instantly I was given this feeling

555
00:49:52.440 --> 00:49:58.599
of just complete irritation and don't tell
me what to do, and you don't

556
00:49:58.639 --> 00:50:04.559
know bright. This thing just blew
up in size and just rushed towards me.

557
00:50:04.920 --> 00:50:08.800
It became blue, kind of an
odd glup but not really a turquoise

558
00:50:08.880 --> 00:50:15.639
blue, but bleww, and it
just exploded towards me, and I blew

559
00:50:15.679 --> 00:50:19.559
out of my chair, got to
the front door. I had to go

560
00:50:19.599 --> 00:50:23.679
around the apartment, and I got
to the front and tried to walk as

561
00:50:23.840 --> 00:50:30.920
normally as possible into the house without
alerting the kids to the fact that something

562
00:50:30.960 --> 00:50:37.400
had been going on. So anyway, that's nick. That is pretty much

563
00:50:37.559 --> 00:50:45.320
my sightings. Wow, interesting stuff. Yeah, they've it's been interesting.

564
00:50:45.039 --> 00:50:49.880
You know, this has happened quite
regularly over the last few years. It

565
00:50:49.960 --> 00:50:53.119
did. I had never had anything
like this happen in my life. And

566
00:50:53.159 --> 00:50:59.960
it was like the minutes I slowed
down and took a breath and looked up

567
00:51:00.400 --> 00:51:04.000
because my nose had been buried in
a book for years. I had been

568
00:51:04.199 --> 00:51:07.280
a mother and a wife at home
and decided to go back to school.

569
00:51:08.079 --> 00:51:16.000
Everything was just really a grind.
And when I got to twenty sixteen,

570
00:51:16.719 --> 00:51:22.320
there had been a few things that
were a lot better. I had gotten

571
00:51:22.440 --> 00:51:25.320
rid of the school business, things
were going better for my kids. My

572
00:51:25.400 --> 00:51:30.559
marriage was on the rocks and were
divorced. Now that you know I was

573
00:51:30.639 --> 00:51:34.280
dealing is some of the things that
I had been dealing with were better at

574
00:51:34.280 --> 00:51:37.519
that point. But when things started
in twenty sixteen, I have had just

575
00:51:37.960 --> 00:51:44.400
one siding after another. I have
no idea why that I just keep seeing

576
00:51:44.440 --> 00:51:47.639
them. Was there anything in your
past that really stands out? I have

577
00:51:47.760 --> 00:51:53.000
a number of things that happened to
me in my past, and I never

578
00:51:53.079 --> 00:52:00.360
really examined any of those things and
kill to this point, and and it's

579
00:52:00.440 --> 00:52:04.679
like, wow, you know,
some of this stuff makes a whole lot

580
00:52:04.760 --> 00:52:09.440
more sense than what I'm looking at
right or what I was originally looking at,

581
00:52:09.519 --> 00:52:15.199
because I didn't that's just that I
didn't believe in UFOs. I was

582
00:52:15.320 --> 00:52:23.079
raised as a Christian that my thoughts
of God is that God is love and

583
00:52:23.159 --> 00:52:29.400
God is life. That's what God
is is life. And to me,

584
00:52:30.480 --> 00:52:36.039
it wouldn't It would only seemed common
sense that he would just like stuck the

585
00:52:36.119 --> 00:52:40.760
universe of life. So the fact
that there might be nonprest real life wasn't

586
00:52:40.880 --> 00:52:45.079
something that I really dwelled on,
but I thought that there was a very

587
00:52:45.079 --> 00:52:51.079
good chance that there was, and
I did have some odd things happen as

588
00:52:51.159 --> 00:52:54.920
I was growing up. I had
times like so many of your guests,

589
00:52:55.000 --> 00:52:59.280
where all of my blankets would be
in the floor, or I would be

590
00:52:59.400 --> 00:53:02.840
upside down in my bed. One
night, when I was like about sixteen

591
00:53:02.920 --> 00:53:08.039
years old, we had this full
size bed and it whatever reason, I

592
00:53:08.079 --> 00:53:12.719
don't know if it was a homemade
one or WoT, it was a wooden

593
00:53:12.719 --> 00:53:15.719
bed, but it was set low
to the ground compared to a lot of

594
00:53:15.719 --> 00:53:19.880
the beds that you see, especially
nowadays, I don't know. It was

595
00:53:20.000 --> 00:53:22.679
very low to the ground. I
woke up in the middle of the night

596
00:53:22.880 --> 00:53:30.360
and I was stuffed beneath this bed. There was absolutely no way that I

597
00:53:30.400 --> 00:53:36.119
could have riggened myself under this bed
without waking up, because I was fully

598
00:53:36.239 --> 00:53:39.760
jammed under there and it was pressing
down on me. How I got underneath

599
00:53:39.840 --> 00:53:45.440
that bed, I have no idea
things like that. What's interesting is when

600
00:53:45.519 --> 00:53:52.840
I first moved to Oregon, I
had discovered these little tiny babies underneath my

601
00:53:52.960 --> 00:53:57.079
skin while I was living there at
MS Mensville, and I don't even know

602
00:53:57.119 --> 00:54:00.760
why I was pressing around on that
side of my leg. But it was

603
00:54:00.920 --> 00:54:07.960
almost like consciously I knew that there
was something there, and it felt like

604
00:54:07.039 --> 00:54:12.320
a little tiny beeby bit. It
was pretty deep down in the muscle of

605
00:54:12.400 --> 00:54:17.119
my leg. And at another point, while living in Salem, I found

606
00:54:17.199 --> 00:54:22.199
another one there. So I had
a couple of themen and I kept My

607
00:54:22.360 --> 00:54:28.159
thought was that maybe I had a
tumor and I was dying because I did

608
00:54:28.239 --> 00:54:32.440
not think about implant and it really
bothered me to touch them. I did

609
00:54:32.480 --> 00:54:37.039
not want to touch them, and
so I pretty much ignored that those things

610
00:54:37.079 --> 00:54:44.239
happened prior to my sighting. So
there was some things in my past that

611
00:54:44.719 --> 00:54:51.880
definitely could indicate something was going on, and then also some bruising and some

612
00:54:51.920 --> 00:54:55.679
things that your other guests have talked
about, like gabbing that looked like three

613
00:54:55.719 --> 00:55:01.880
little triangles. You had a guest
on at one point that said, we

614
00:55:02.039 --> 00:55:07.960
know for something. Typically we know
something even if we think we don't know

615
00:55:07.079 --> 00:55:13.679
anything, And so I thought one
day after I'd listened to that show,

616
00:55:13.760 --> 00:55:16.159
I thought, you know, do
I thought, do I know? And

617
00:55:16.360 --> 00:55:22.800
the only thing I could think of
that I knew was that I was waking

618
00:55:22.400 --> 00:55:29.199
up at three h three or three
thirty three in the morning, and so

619
00:55:29.360 --> 00:55:34.000
I started writing down I had not
kept track of any of the dates,

620
00:55:34.000 --> 00:55:37.039
so I started just writing down the
dates. And I didn't tell anyone what

621
00:55:37.159 --> 00:55:39.360
I was doing. It was like, you know what, I'm not even

622
00:55:39.400 --> 00:55:45.119
going to speak this out loud.
I'm just going to write it down and

623
00:55:45.280 --> 00:55:50.159
keep track of it. And over
the next few months, I kept track

624
00:55:50.199 --> 00:55:54.599
of it for not quite a year, quite about a nine month period.

625
00:55:54.960 --> 00:55:59.320
And when I went back and looked
one day, because I'd kind of write

626
00:55:59.400 --> 00:56:02.079
things down all over in this notebook, I went back and looked, and

627
00:56:02.280 --> 00:56:07.559
my day dates were all of the
seventh of the month, and I thought,

628
00:56:07.559 --> 00:56:09.280
oh, so, yeah, this
is this is kind of weird.

629
00:56:09.360 --> 00:56:16.760
Maybe I do know something. And
then situations waking up with large bruises,

630
00:56:16.880 --> 00:56:23.360
like I have a picture that I
took of just this really big bruise on

631
00:56:23.440 --> 00:56:28.960
my leg and once again, it
was on the seventh of July. I

632
00:56:29.000 --> 00:56:31.719
think, I do want to mention
one thing that is kind of odd.

633
00:56:32.679 --> 00:56:37.800
So I do have some people I
can kind to talk to this about.

634
00:56:37.920 --> 00:56:43.800
I haven't really gone way way in
depth with especially the emotional parts of it,

635
00:56:44.000 --> 00:56:50.519
like the feelings I'm getting from these
crafts or these experiences almost like a

636
00:56:50.599 --> 00:56:54.840
communication. I haven't really gone into
that. Sometimes I think it's easier for

637
00:56:55.000 --> 00:57:02.599
people to accept maybe something solid they
can look at, rather than somebody talking

638
00:57:02.639 --> 00:57:09.599
about their feelings. Anyway, I
was talking to somebody that is very very

639
00:57:09.639 --> 00:57:15.039
close to me about the siding,
the second siding I had, and I

640
00:57:15.079 --> 00:57:17.800
haven't talked to anybody about this.
I mean, I kind of mentioned it

641
00:57:17.840 --> 00:57:23.480
to my kids that, like my
daughters, they felt like a kind of

642
00:57:23.480 --> 00:57:27.599
a look of fear in their eyes. And I don't know if that was

643
00:57:27.719 --> 00:57:31.800
just because I was talking about aliens
or you know, they're also the concerns

644
00:57:31.800 --> 00:57:36.840
for their mother's mind. I don't
know, but I didn't want to scare

645
00:57:36.880 --> 00:57:42.320
my kids, and so I try
to just discuss this with people who are

646
00:57:42.360 --> 00:57:46.119
a little bit more open to it. And this person is much more open

647
00:57:46.159 --> 00:57:52.000
to these things, and we have
just some really enjoyable conversations like I do

648
00:57:52.159 --> 00:57:58.039
with my older son. And not
that I don't have great conversations with all

649
00:57:58.039 --> 00:58:01.599
of my kids, but I typically
don't discussed aliens a huge amount with my

650
00:58:01.679 --> 00:58:06.519
girls, but my boys are more
open. And then I do have a

651
00:58:06.559 --> 00:58:10.360
couple of friends that I can discuss
these things with one more so than the

652
00:58:10.440 --> 00:58:15.360
others. But even way this day, I was having a discussion with one

653
00:58:15.400 --> 00:58:20.320
of those friends, and it was
the day before the fourth of July,

654
00:58:20.519 --> 00:58:28.199
so this took place on those that
July. And this person is a member

655
00:58:28.320 --> 00:58:32.760
of one of the three Letter agencies
here in America, and they have some

656
00:58:34.039 --> 00:58:39.360
fairly high level clearance. And I
just kind of assume that anytime I'm visiting

657
00:58:39.800 --> 00:58:46.760
or hanging out with this person,
that will probably being observed and listened to,

658
00:58:47.159 --> 00:58:52.079
and not because of me, but
because of the high security work that

659
00:58:52.159 --> 00:58:55.719
he does and what he's involved in. And so I just take that for

660
00:58:55.800 --> 00:59:00.079
granted. But as far as talking
about UFOs or anything like that, that

661
00:59:00.679 --> 00:59:07.519
I never proved myself. And so
anyway, I had this discussion with him

662
00:59:07.880 --> 00:59:09.920
about this, and we had a
really good discussion about it, and I

663
00:59:12.000 --> 00:59:17.079
told him most of my stories that
I really didn't go into the emotional part

664
00:59:17.079 --> 00:59:21.360
of it. Like I'm not really
sure how much I did to stay,

665
00:59:21.519 --> 00:59:23.960
but I did not really get into
that. I might have touched on a

666
00:59:24.000 --> 00:59:29.199
little bit, and I didn't spend
as much time on the citing itself.

667
00:59:29.320 --> 00:59:34.039
The experience of stuff, I was
a little more constent. But either way,

668
00:59:34.440 --> 00:59:37.280
the next morning, when I got
up, at some point in the

669
00:59:37.320 --> 00:59:42.280
morning, I was outside and I
looked down on my arm, and on

670
00:59:42.320 --> 00:59:45.920
my right arm I had I had
it looked like an IV brue. And

671
00:59:46.480 --> 00:59:50.480
I haven't spent a lot of time
at the hospital, but I have been

672
00:59:50.480 --> 00:59:53.679
there when I had my babies,
and it looked exactly like an IV bruise,

673
00:59:54.199 --> 00:59:59.960
with a little bit of scabbing and
a couple of puncturemarks. So anyway,

674
01:00:00.199 --> 01:00:05.119
I just thought that was the strange
just thing. I didn't like it.

675
01:00:05.079 --> 01:00:12.199
It's I don't like the idea of
anything or anyone coming into my home

676
01:00:12.880 --> 01:00:15.960
in the middle of the night.
So yeah, that was a little bit

677
01:00:16.039 --> 01:00:22.159
spooky. It was like, Wow, this is I don't don't know what

678
01:00:22.280 --> 01:00:24.639
to make of this. I don't
know if I've really even talked to this

679
01:00:24.679 --> 01:00:29.440
person about that. I do plan
on bringing a depth just to see what

680
01:00:29.599 --> 01:00:32.880
his thoughts on. I don't know
what feel safe, but I just thought

681
01:00:32.880 --> 01:00:37.440
it was really odd that I had
this conversation and then the next morning I

682
01:00:37.519 --> 01:00:42.559
wake up and I have got a
bruise on the inside of my right arm

683
01:00:42.599 --> 01:00:45.760
that looked like an IV bruthe with
Marx in it. I did take a

684
01:00:45.800 --> 01:00:57.079
picture, so I have a picture
of that. Also. Do you have

685
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693
01:01:39.079 --> 01:01:51.800
x X. It's interesting that you
seem to have like an emotional connection to

694
01:01:51.800 --> 01:01:55.800
all your sightings, have different mixed
feelings and emotions that come with it.

695
01:01:55.880 --> 01:02:00.079
These aren't just lights in the sky
that you have sinn Y've all been kind

696
01:02:00.119 --> 01:02:06.119
of odd that the first one,
the saucer, for whatever reason, it

697
01:02:06.280 --> 01:02:12.599
scared me with that feeling that someone
was right there. I went from okay,

698
01:02:12.719 --> 01:02:17.719
I'm having deja vu to somebody is
right there with me. They're staring

699
01:02:17.800 --> 01:02:22.360
at me, if they're looking at
me, if they're close. And I

700
01:02:22.400 --> 01:02:27.760
don't know why that spooked me so
bad that it really did, and I

701
01:02:27.800 --> 01:02:30.000
really don't know what to make it
up. First sighting, it's like,

702
01:02:30.239 --> 01:02:35.800
Okay, I seeing a flying saucer. I have no idea why I saw

703
01:02:35.840 --> 01:02:37.559
it. I don't know what it
means. I don't know. I don't

704
01:02:37.559 --> 01:02:43.039
know what any of it means.
But I have felt like I am being

705
01:02:43.880 --> 01:02:50.119
shown craft, obviously, and I
think that the well, they're all really

706
01:02:50.159 --> 01:02:57.000
interesting. That second sighting, that
feeling that that I had experienced that sense

707
01:02:57.039 --> 01:03:01.119
of with before, that I had
felt that before, but I have no

708
01:03:01.280 --> 01:03:07.239
memory of ever seeing any kind of
craft, so that part of it was

709
01:03:07.760 --> 01:03:12.400
way out of the blue. I've
never seen red orange balls. But I

710
01:03:12.440 --> 01:03:20.639
think it's interesting that I got the
sense of hello, and we're here and

711
01:03:20.960 --> 01:03:24.760
we're just hanging out and observing.
And then with the string of pearls the

712
01:03:24.800 --> 01:03:31.639
starling, there's four different experiences right
there, and all four of them are

713
01:03:31.719 --> 01:03:37.280
completely different. It would be one
thing if I had saw it all four

714
01:03:37.360 --> 01:03:42.199
times, and I saw it in
exactly the same manner, moving across the

715
01:03:42.239 --> 01:03:51.039
sky, not ever stationary, not
ever just completely disappearing, not disappearing one

716
01:03:51.159 --> 01:03:53.840
light at the time. And then
of course the when I had in Cheenie

717
01:03:53.880 --> 01:04:02.159
where the craft just felt really irritated
and it just felt it felt like the

718
01:04:02.239 --> 01:04:06.519
bully. It felt like a bully. And if like, well, and

719
01:04:06.559 --> 01:04:13.760
I've given that some thoughts too,
because we're hearing step about Hyer or frequencies

720
01:04:13.960 --> 01:04:18.000
and you know all of this.
You know that didn't feel real high frequency

721
01:04:18.119 --> 01:04:25.519
to me. And so I think
that just because something has a little more

722
01:04:25.639 --> 01:04:31.280
power, a little more knowledge,
doesn't necessarily make it a step about me

723
01:04:31.719 --> 01:04:35.519
or you or anyone else. I
think that a lot of that's determined by

724
01:04:35.840 --> 01:04:42.159
how we treat each other and other
beings. So anyway, now, aside

725
01:04:42.159 --> 01:04:47.360
from these sciens, do you ever
recall any experiences of the paranormal kind?

726
01:04:47.559 --> 01:04:53.440
But whether it's more present day or
when you're a child, I have had

727
01:04:53.559 --> 01:05:01.519
paranormal experiences, and I have one
really occurring dream that I had from my

728
01:05:02.199 --> 01:05:08.159
earliest memory. I'll tell you about
my reoccurring dreams first, if you like,

729
01:05:08.280 --> 01:05:15.239
and then tell you about my paranormal
experiences. My reoccurring dream tied in

730
01:05:15.440 --> 01:05:18.800
just a little bit more with the
sidings that I've had, I think,

731
01:05:18.880 --> 01:05:24.199
and with everything that's gone on in
the past. I started having this dream

732
01:05:24.320 --> 01:05:27.400
when I was well. I've had
it as far back as I can remember.

733
01:05:27.679 --> 01:05:30.559
I stopped having it when I was
about eleven years old. So when

734
01:05:30.559 --> 01:05:34.679
I was a baby, even being
put down for a nap, a lot

735
01:05:34.679 --> 01:05:40.079
of times I had to have this
dream. And I hated having the dream.

736
01:05:40.239 --> 01:05:45.800
It was scary, it was unsettling, and I always woke up stick

737
01:05:45.000 --> 01:05:51.880
from this dream. In my dream, I am on some kind some kind

738
01:05:51.880 --> 01:05:59.559
of a landscape where I'm just jogging
and running along. Everything is rusty colored

739
01:05:59.719 --> 01:06:05.920
brand The rocks are brownish reddish rays, the dirt the same color. The

740
01:06:05.920 --> 01:06:11.360
sky is the same color, a
little bit lighter, but everything is the

741
01:06:11.440 --> 01:06:16.079
same color, just kind of a
rust color. And there is no vegetation,

742
01:06:16.360 --> 01:06:24.360
no live any kind anywhere. There's
only rubble and rocks and dirt.

743
01:06:24.800 --> 01:06:30.000
And in my dreaming, I am
running. I don't know what direction I'm

744
01:06:30.079 --> 01:06:35.719
running, but off to my left
is a more heels. I'm on the

745
01:06:35.760 --> 01:06:42.159
side of a hill and they're rising
up and it rises up there for the

746
01:06:42.239 --> 01:06:45.880
back of those mountains that the mountains
look exactly like the land I'm on right

747
01:06:45.920 --> 01:06:54.440
now, just this rusty reddish brown
gray dirt and rocks. And off to

748
01:06:54.519 --> 01:06:59.800
the right of me going down the
hill is the same thing. Everything looks

749
01:07:00.000 --> 01:07:04.079
exactly the same. It's just rubble. And all of the country, all

750
01:07:04.079 --> 01:07:11.039
of the land, is got these
little tiny narrow paths running on them.

751
01:07:11.119 --> 01:07:16.400
There are about the width of a
railroad crass and these paths have just been

752
01:07:16.559 --> 01:07:23.480
ground into a really fine calcum powder
like dust. And in my dream,

753
01:07:23.760 --> 01:07:29.960
I'm always exactly the same age.
I'm about maybe six years old. I

754
01:07:30.119 --> 01:07:35.639
have on what feels like cotton top
and bottom, and they're white. I

755
01:07:35.679 --> 01:07:41.480
have on the white cotton shorts that
comes just above my knees. I have

756
01:07:41.719 --> 01:07:45.800
on a white cotton T shirt that
because of all of the dust, I

757
01:07:45.840 --> 01:07:50.360
am all dusty and dirty too.
I can see that it's white. It

758
01:07:50.480 --> 01:07:56.840
should have been white. That I'm
dirty. And in my dream, I'm

759
01:07:56.960 --> 01:08:02.199
always jogging or moving at the very
least, and looking around. In my

760
01:08:02.360 --> 01:08:10.480
dream, the only thing that is
in my dream besides myself are these giant

761
01:08:11.239 --> 01:08:15.639
white schools. And that's what I
call them, is schools, because I

762
01:08:15.639 --> 01:08:19.079
think That's the only thing in my
baby mind that I maybe could have seen

763
01:08:19.159 --> 01:08:24.720
at some point that I could identify
these things with like a school of threads

764
01:08:24.800 --> 01:08:29.279
laid on its side and rolling.
That's what these things looked like, only

765
01:08:30.239 --> 01:08:33.319
they were the size or as tall
as like a Max truck. They were

766
01:08:33.560 --> 01:08:40.439
very very tall, that they were
skinny enough to roll down these paths,

767
01:08:41.239 --> 01:08:45.119
and these schools were all over the
place. I could see them behind me,

768
01:08:45.479 --> 01:08:50.039
and in front of me. I
could see them down further down the

769
01:08:50.119 --> 01:08:57.039
landscape, up going up towards the
mountains. They never went fast, and

770
01:08:57.119 --> 01:09:00.039
they never went sprow They all looked
like they were moving in exactly the same

771
01:09:00.159 --> 01:09:10.479
speed, just rolling methodically along.
They never ever stopped rolling, and I

772
01:09:10.479 --> 01:09:15.800
didn't know what they were. They
were just very, very scary. Probably

773
01:09:15.840 --> 01:09:20.920
about the worst thing about this stream
that I really disliked the most was how

774
01:09:20.960 --> 01:09:26.720
I would feel when I would wake
up from it. And from the very

775
01:09:26.840 --> 01:09:30.960
very beginning, when I was really
small, I think I can probably remember

776
01:09:30.000 --> 01:09:36.439
having the dream back to the ages
at least two, and I remember having

777
01:09:36.479 --> 01:09:41.560
the dream taking naps in the car
wherever. I mean, I had to

778
01:09:41.640 --> 01:09:45.039
dream a lot, and any time
I woke up from having this stream,

779
01:09:45.119 --> 01:09:51.239
I would be really fix my stomach, very very mistauxious, and I would

780
01:09:51.279 --> 01:09:57.600
be that way all day long.
As the day would went on, this

781
01:09:58.319 --> 01:10:02.800
feeling of being nauseus would slowly wear
off, and then by the time I

782
01:10:02.840 --> 01:10:06.479
went to bed that night, it
would be almost gone, and the next

783
01:10:06.520 --> 01:10:13.680
morning it would be gone. But
yeah, so fast forwards to today,

784
01:10:14.520 --> 01:10:20.239
and I'm digging through all of this
information on aliens and UFOs and going down

785
01:10:20.279 --> 01:10:26.479
all of these different rabbit holes,
and plus we're getting all of these pictures

786
01:10:26.560 --> 01:10:31.760
bat from NASA of the Martian landscape, and I have to say that my

787
01:10:31.960 --> 01:10:38.800
dream looks exactly like the Martian landscapes. All you need to do is add

788
01:10:38.840 --> 01:10:44.439
some paths and these giant white schools. So I got to thinking the other

789
01:10:44.560 --> 01:10:46.600
day, Like I said, I
haven't given this a lot of thought,

790
01:10:46.640 --> 01:10:51.119
but now with all of this happening
in my life, I've rigged salmon things

791
01:10:51.359 --> 01:10:58.760
and I came across well, somebody
made a comment about spiders on Mars,

792
01:10:59.119 --> 01:11:06.159
and I started think about schools and
schools and spiders, and I decided to

793
01:11:06.199 --> 01:11:15.239
look up drones and I found rolling
spider growns and they look exactly like what

794
01:11:15.199 --> 01:11:20.640
was rolling around in my dreams.
I don't know exactly what that center school,

795
01:11:20.920 --> 01:11:26.479
that the parks that connected the two
wheels. I was always pretty far

796
01:11:26.520 --> 01:11:30.279
away from these things in my dreams. Every once in a while, somehow

797
01:11:30.439 --> 01:11:34.439
one of them would manage to get
close to me. I don't know how

798
01:11:34.479 --> 01:11:40.840
they would get close, but I
was a little girl, and I don't

799
01:11:40.880 --> 01:11:44.880
know. Maybe I would be sidetracked
or something. But either way, occasionally

800
01:11:44.960 --> 01:11:48.439
one of those things would get closer
than what I would normally allow, and

801
01:11:48.560 --> 01:11:56.439
it would just be very big.
But when I saw these rolling spider drones,

802
01:11:56.680 --> 01:12:00.680
I'm thinking, I think that's what
was in my dream was was drones.

803
01:12:00.800 --> 01:12:04.960
That's the only thing that I can
make sense of anyway. I mean,

804
01:12:05.600 --> 01:12:09.720
that's what they look like. They
looked the same. They were white,

805
01:12:10.520 --> 01:12:14.119
and the wheels was the same.
They just looked very very big,

806
01:12:14.159 --> 01:12:17.960
and they seem to be doing their
thing, and they would have got me.

807
01:12:18.199 --> 01:12:21.319
I think if they could have got
me, they would have killed me.

808
01:12:23.279 --> 01:12:27.079
And I don't know, maybe that's
how this little person died out there.

809
01:12:27.720 --> 01:12:31.920
The other thing I came across while
doing this digging for information on all

810
01:12:31.960 --> 01:12:40.439
of this is some of the physicists
or physicists that believes that Mars has a

811
01:12:40.640 --> 01:12:46.560
nuclear signature that can only be found
when there has been a nuclear device set

812
01:12:46.600 --> 01:12:50.880
off. And I just find it
interesting that I have this dream. I'm

813
01:12:50.920 --> 01:12:58.920
not someone that really believes in reincarnation, but there's been a ton of stories

814
01:12:59.199 --> 01:13:04.079
and a lot of interesting stuff out
there. I just find it interesting that

815
01:13:04.960 --> 01:13:10.960
it compares to the Martian landscape.
There's the drones, and then there's this

816
01:13:11.800 --> 01:13:17.520
feeling of being so sick afterwards,
which can definitely be attributed to radiation plasing.

817
01:13:17.960 --> 01:13:26.960
As far as my paranormal experiences go, I have had a situation I've

818
01:13:27.000 --> 01:13:31.319
been talked about with like the shadow
figures, and I did experience that back

819
01:13:31.359 --> 01:13:36.560
in my mid twenties when I was
pregnant with my first child, and that

820
01:13:36.720 --> 01:13:41.600
was something I just really really thought. I did not want to have anything

821
01:13:41.640 --> 01:13:45.600
to do with it. Man,
I went through my apartment. Anything I

822
01:13:45.640 --> 01:13:50.960
thought might be offensive to God.
It was like gone, and so I

823
01:13:51.039 --> 01:13:56.119
had to deal look out for a
little while. But somehow, I don't

824
01:13:56.159 --> 01:14:00.920
know, I got through that.
And I don't know real problem with that

825
01:14:00.079 --> 01:14:06.600
because being raised as a Christian,
for me that the shadow figures were more

826
01:14:06.640 --> 01:14:12.000
like a demonic thing. Now when
I look at it, I don't know.

827
01:14:12.479 --> 01:14:16.079
Maybe not a person is. When
I was drifting off, it would

828
01:14:16.119 --> 01:14:19.840
be like during the day and I
would lay down to take a naps because

829
01:14:19.880 --> 01:14:25.720
I'd be so tired, and it's
almost like you're kind of in a different

830
01:14:25.760 --> 01:14:31.439
state of mind between sweep and being
awake, and maybe there's a chance to

831
01:14:33.239 --> 01:14:39.720
have an interaction with different dimensions or
something. I don't know, or it

832
01:14:39.760 --> 01:14:42.960
could have been demons. I have
no idea. It was very, very

833
01:14:43.000 --> 01:14:46.479
scary, and I didn't like it. I've had a number of paranormal experiences,

834
01:14:46.520 --> 01:14:51.479
but I will talk about the foremost
pertinent ones. The first one I

835
01:14:51.560 --> 01:14:59.359
had was when I was seventeen years
old, and this happened with both of

836
01:14:59.399 --> 01:15:03.119
my sisters, who at that time
were fourteen and fifteen, and we were

837
01:15:03.159 --> 01:15:09.720
living in a very old place back
in the mountains in Idaho, and my

838
01:15:10.640 --> 01:15:15.560
dad was working out of state,
and my mom at that time was working

839
01:15:15.640 --> 01:15:20.000
some kind of a little night just
job at a restaurant, and so she

840
01:15:20.199 --> 01:15:26.239
was getting home pretty late, and
we had I had a very small brother

841
01:15:26.359 --> 01:15:32.279
and sister, so an older girl
would take turns sleeping downstairs with the brother

842
01:15:32.359 --> 01:15:38.479
and the sister that were really little. They were like maybe two and four,

843
01:15:38.680 --> 01:15:42.960
two and five, and we did
not have night lights. When the

844
01:15:43.039 --> 01:15:46.439
lights went out, it was very
dark. There were there were no other

845
01:15:46.479 --> 01:15:51.840
buildings around. This was ranch country, and so there was some other ranches

846
01:15:53.119 --> 01:15:58.960
in the local area that mile a
few miles away. And so anyway,

847
01:15:59.560 --> 01:16:04.880
I pick up in the middle of
the night and I can hear this sobbing

848
01:16:05.039 --> 01:16:11.520
coming from the sofa because where I'm
at in the living room, there's two

849
01:16:11.520 --> 01:16:15.960
bedrooms upstairs, and there is a
bed in the living room at one end

850
01:16:16.000 --> 01:16:19.680
of it, and that's where I'm
sleeping with my brother and sister. I

851
01:16:19.720 --> 01:16:24.560
hear this sobbing, and I'm thinking, well, I'm thinking it's got to

852
01:16:24.640 --> 01:16:30.720
be one of my sisters. I
do not think goes But right next to

853
01:16:30.760 --> 01:16:33.640
the bed where I'm sleeping, on
the other side of the room, there

854
01:16:33.760 --> 01:16:40.279
is a doorway that goes up the
stairs to the other two bedrooms, and

855
01:16:41.920 --> 01:16:45.840
so it's kind of it's an old
house, so that stairways stairs is enclosed.

856
01:16:46.720 --> 01:16:54.079
And as I'm listening to this woman
sobs, I hear my one of

857
01:16:54.079 --> 01:17:00.159
my sisters say, Debbie, what's
wrong? And I said, oh,

858
01:17:00.439 --> 01:17:04.359
I thought it was one of you
girls, and immediately the sobbing stopped,

859
01:17:05.119 --> 01:17:10.039
and it was not me, and
it was neither one of my sisters.

860
01:17:10.279 --> 01:17:15.600
There is a story that there was
people that there was a cabin that was

861
01:17:15.640 --> 01:17:23.079
built on that property that was nearby
at some earlier point had burned down and

862
01:17:23.479 --> 01:17:28.520
a child, a baby, had
burnt up in that fire, and it

863
01:17:28.560 --> 01:17:33.079
may be true. I think that
definitely was true, but that I kind

864
01:17:33.159 --> 01:17:39.520
of wonder if that was the connection
with this sobbing woman that we had there

865
01:17:39.600 --> 01:17:43.439
in our home that night. That
was the only connection I could make to

866
01:17:43.560 --> 01:17:47.159
it was we had heard that story
about the house fire and the baby,

867
01:17:47.600 --> 01:17:54.920
and then we all three of us
girls experienced this woman crying in our house.

868
01:17:55.600 --> 01:18:01.680
My next paranormal experience happened. I
was living in Montana and my boys

869
01:18:01.760 --> 01:18:09.239
were little. It was not long
after my first divorce and my boys were

870
01:18:09.319 --> 01:18:14.600
like two and five, and I
moved into this mobile home that was on

871
01:18:15.079 --> 01:18:18.920
just a small piece of land and
had like a building at the back and

872
01:18:19.159 --> 01:18:24.039
trees and stuff. It was a
great place for the kids and for somebody

873
01:18:24.079 --> 01:18:30.039
like myself that was just trying is
single and trying to survive. And anyway

874
01:18:30.720 --> 01:18:35.760
we found out soon after we moved
in there said the previous person that had

875
01:18:35.800 --> 01:18:41.600
lived there, a young man and
a young woman with this really small children.

876
01:18:41.760 --> 01:18:46.079
That the woman had died like a
terrible cancer, and he had been

877
01:18:46.159 --> 01:18:51.439
widowed and left with two children.
And so I'm living there. I would

878
01:18:51.520 --> 01:18:57.039
see somebody in the house. I
would see a woman. There were times

879
01:18:57.079 --> 01:19:00.600
when I would go and put my
boys to bed, especially my youngest son,

880
01:19:00.880 --> 01:19:05.199
and when I would put them down
to sleep or put them down for

881
01:19:05.279 --> 01:19:09.680
the night, a lot of times
I'd be back out in the living room

882
01:19:09.800 --> 01:19:14.920
and I would hear the door to
the bedroom pop open. And you really

883
01:19:14.920 --> 01:19:18.640
had to pull that door closed to
get it closed. It was one of

884
01:19:18.640 --> 01:19:23.920
those it latched. It had a
nice tight latch to it. It was

885
01:19:23.960 --> 01:19:28.119
a little bit too tight. So
anyway, whenever it would pop open,

886
01:19:28.199 --> 01:19:30.880
I would think, oh, here
it comes. The baby is up,

887
01:19:30.960 --> 01:19:34.840
you know, And I would stit
in the living room and wait and try

888
01:19:34.840 --> 01:19:40.119
to be quiet, thinking one of
them was going to be coming out very

889
01:19:40.159 --> 01:19:44.960
soon, and then nobody would come
out. And it got to be every

890
01:19:45.039 --> 01:19:48.800
time I would lay like I said, especially my youngest down in the back,

891
01:19:49.319 --> 01:19:53.359
could not close the door. If
I closed the door. When I

892
01:19:53.399 --> 01:19:58.039
put them to bed, the door
would be opened back up. And one

893
01:19:58.119 --> 01:20:00.880
night my sister was there and she
was sleeping out on the front self thing.

894
01:20:01.000 --> 01:20:06.239
I was in the back and very
small place, and I hear her

895
01:20:06.319 --> 01:20:11.479
out there chatting and visiting and pretty
see. I'm like, who are you

896
01:20:11.560 --> 01:20:14.800
talking to and she was, well, I'm talking to you, and I

897
01:20:14.840 --> 01:20:16.520
said, I laughed, and I
said, well, I'm in bed in

898
01:20:16.600 --> 01:20:19.960
the back, and she goes,
no, you're not. You're sitting out

899
01:20:19.960 --> 01:20:25.479
here in the dining area. I
was not sitting in the dining area.

900
01:20:25.600 --> 01:20:29.720
She had seen a woman sitting in
the dining area and that's who she existed.

901
01:20:30.359 --> 01:20:34.800
I think it was probably the energy
of the woman that had been there.

902
01:20:35.600 --> 01:20:42.199
These last two, our last two
paranormal events were both had to do

903
01:20:42.359 --> 01:20:48.560
with men and their homes. The
third one happened in Tennessee and we had

904
01:20:48.600 --> 01:20:53.239
bought my husband was working on the
East coast at that point and we had

905
01:20:53.279 --> 01:20:58.439
bought an acreage at East Tennessee that
had this very old home on it,

906
01:20:59.119 --> 01:21:03.880
leap little Cabins house, and part
of it was newer than the other part.

907
01:21:04.399 --> 01:21:11.399
Part of the foundation had logs for
foundations, and either way when I

908
01:21:11.479 --> 01:21:15.319
first moved in there, it was
like, almost immediately, like a second

909
01:21:15.439 --> 01:21:21.159
night that I was sleeping there was
I could hear a man walking across the

910
01:21:21.199 --> 01:21:28.840
wooden floor. Men's work boots are
They have a unique sound on a hardwood

911
01:21:28.880 --> 01:21:33.399
floor. They kind of slumped and
it was just like punk clung, just

912
01:21:33.560 --> 01:21:40.600
kind of a slow, measured pace, and I got an immediate thought of

913
01:21:41.199 --> 01:21:46.640
I'm not leaving, just a very
obstinate feeling like I'm here, i am

914
01:21:46.680 --> 01:21:53.039
not leaving. This was my home, this is my plan, I'm a

915
01:21:53.079 --> 01:21:58.640
part of this. It was like
a kind of all ball together and I'm

916
01:21:58.680 --> 01:22:01.479
like, okay, I didn't I
don't want to mess with those. I

917
01:22:01.760 --> 01:22:08.520
don't like to deal with their so
I pretty much avoid all paranormal type things

918
01:22:08.560 --> 01:22:15.359
and aside from UF posts anyway,
Yeah, I heard this person occasionally during

919
01:22:15.479 --> 01:22:21.920
the few years that we lived there, and I never heard this energy in

920
01:22:23.039 --> 01:22:28.720
any other rooms except the very oldest, and pretty much that's all I ever

921
01:22:28.960 --> 01:22:34.359
was was just a walking through the
house. We heard that originally that property

922
01:22:34.960 --> 01:22:41.840
was owned back in the early eighteen
hundreds by someone that had a little trading

923
01:22:41.920 --> 01:22:45.239
post there. I don't know,
but the man that was there felt very

924
01:22:45.880 --> 01:22:55.920
determined and unmovable and very much planted
in that spot. My last that I'll

925
01:22:55.960 --> 01:23:00.039
tell you about as far as my
paranormal experiences, was in Levenon, Oregon,

926
01:23:00.119 --> 01:23:05.439
where the first where the saucer siding
took place. And I was at

927
01:23:05.600 --> 01:23:12.760
that house. We were having holidays
there, don't I think it was Thanksgiving.

928
01:23:12.760 --> 01:23:15.600
I don't think it was Christmas.
I think it was Thanksgiving. And

929
01:23:16.479 --> 01:23:20.159
all of the guys were in the
back part. All of the women were

930
01:23:20.199 --> 01:23:24.680
out in the living room, and
most of the men, all of the

931
01:23:24.720 --> 01:23:29.319
men there were six foot or over. They're all big guys. And I

932
01:23:29.359 --> 01:23:32.359
had got up in the living room, walked into the kitchen and got a

933
01:23:32.359 --> 01:23:35.520
cut of coffee, and was walking
back into the living room. I was

934
01:23:35.560 --> 01:23:39.880
standing in the living room. I
had not set down. I was standing

935
01:23:39.920 --> 01:23:47.239
behind the chair where I was setting
and I felt somebody suddenly standing right there,

936
01:23:47.279 --> 01:23:51.520
really close to me, almost touching, but just not white. And

937
01:23:51.600 --> 01:23:56.399
the person was really big, and
I thought I thought it was my oldest

938
01:23:56.439 --> 01:24:00.319
son, because he's he was the
biggest guy in the house, and they

939
01:24:00.319 --> 01:24:03.399
were all big guys, but this
person was really big, and I could

940
01:24:03.479 --> 01:24:10.640
see out the corner of my eye
my peripheral vision dip. He had on

941
01:24:11.119 --> 01:24:18.319
a black and yellow buffalo check work
shirt like the logging shirt, and the

942
01:24:18.439 --> 01:24:25.800
Lebanon area of Oregon is an old
logging community. This person was just so

943
01:24:26.039 --> 01:24:30.640
pleased and so happy to have all
of the family there in that home.

944
01:24:30.760 --> 01:24:36.439
That's what he was about. He
was about all of his family just being

945
01:24:36.479 --> 01:24:43.760
together and being happy. He was
so pleased. Yeah, it was just

946
01:24:44.800 --> 01:24:53.840
my paranormal experiences with men have been
men and their homes and lands like just

947
01:24:54.199 --> 01:24:59.960
really tied to that part of their
life. And with the women it's been

948
01:25:00.039 --> 01:25:04.640
and women and those children. So
yeah, those are my paranormal experiences.

949
01:25:04.880 --> 01:25:10.439
Wherever you go there seems to be
something which is around you. It does

950
01:25:10.479 --> 01:25:15.720
seem like that. But all of
my life I've been able to just kind

951
01:25:15.720 --> 01:25:19.479
of pick up on feelings from people. I call it skilling people because I

952
01:25:19.520 --> 01:25:25.000
can, like so many of the
guests that you have on there is the

953
01:25:25.079 --> 01:25:31.840
ability to pick up emotions and good
energies and dark energies. It is something

954
01:25:31.880 --> 01:25:38.840
which will sometimes go hand in hand
with these experiences. That's wonderful. Deborah,

955
01:25:39.079 --> 01:25:44.800
I don't understand how you were nervous. Yeah, you have thought most

956
01:25:44.840 --> 01:25:47.920
of it was worn off throughout today, but it really hung on there.

957
01:25:48.239 --> 01:25:51.960
Thank you very much. Nick.
I really really appreciate it, and I

958
01:25:53.119 --> 01:25:57.479
really enjoyed visiting with you. Debra. I really appreciate having you on.

959
01:25:57.600 --> 01:26:00.319
It was wonderful you to join us
today and it's such an interesting story.

960
01:26:00.600 --> 01:26:04.079
Thank you very much. Nick.
That's all right, keep in contact and

961
01:26:04.399 --> 01:26:06.800
I will be in touch. All
right. You enjoy the rest of the

962
01:26:06.880 --> 01:26:11.520
day. You have left, so
I will stay in contact next Thank you,

963
01:26:11.600 --> 01:26:15.000
Nick, good night, take care, bye bye. That is all

964
01:26:15.039 --> 01:26:18.479
for this year. Keep updated and
connected with the show on x Facebook and

965
01:26:18.560 --> 01:26:21.800
Instagram. And if you have an
encounter that you'd like to share on the

966
01:26:21.840 --> 01:26:28.479
podcast, you can email me at
UFO Chronicles at gmail dot com, or

967
01:26:28.520 --> 01:26:31.760
you can reach out to me via
the contact page on my website UFO Chronicles

968
01:26:31.840 --> 01:26:36.079
podcast dot com. A big thank
you to Deborah and all our guests that

969
01:26:36.119 --> 01:26:41.399
I've shared for twenty twenty three,
and a massive thank you for your continued

970
01:26:41.439 --> 01:26:45.479
support because without you guys, this
show wouldn't be possible. A very happy

971
01:26:45.520 --> 01:26:50.159
new Year to you all. I
will be back next week. Till then,

972
01:26:50.479 --> 01:27:54.600
stay safe and keep watching the skies. Goodbye.