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Hey, this is josh And and
Tyler from a Kentucky x FOS. You're

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listening to Brian on Sasquatch. Out
a scene you guys. We welcome back

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to Sasquatch. Honestly, thank you
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Sunday. I hope you guys have
got a great weekend. We have an

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amazing show live for you. But
as always, I want to start by

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inviting you. If you've had an
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become a member there and help support
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We've got a great show lined up
for you. This is something that I've

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been struggling on how to handle over
the last week or so. As most

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all of you know that are listening
right now, we lost the last of

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the four Horsemen of Sasquatchery last Friday, on July twenty eighth, Peter Byrne

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passed away. I am so fortunate
that I got the opportunity to sit down

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and talk to Peter and interview him
last May. It was episode one fifty

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of the show. We had an
amazing conversation, and frankly, I think

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it was one of the last interviews
that Peter did, possibly the last one

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that he did publicly before he passed
away. So I wanted to go back

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and honor him and remaster that.
Because he was on a telephone, we

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didn't do this over stream yard like
I normally do each of the episodes,

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so I've cleaned up the IDEO as
much as I possibly could and added a

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great interview with he and Groverkranz at
the end of this. So the first

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part of this is going to be
my interview with Peter from last year,

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and then we kind of close out
with an interview I think it was back

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in the nineties. This episode is
all about paying homage to the last of

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the four Horsemen of Sasquatchery, to
the great Peter Byrne. May he rest

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in peace. Now you guys sit
back, relax and enjoy the show our

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books. I want to welcome our
guests to the show. It's the incomparable

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Peter Byrne. Welcome to the show. Peter. Oh, thank you,

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thank you. I just want to
get right into it. I did a

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history show about you recently, so
everybody has the backstory to your life and

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the things that you did leading up
to getting into Bigfoot, Sasquatch, and

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the jetty working with John Green,
Reneeda Hendon, Grover Cranch. You will

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ever be connected to those folks as
one of the four horsemen of sasquatcheries.

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So I want to talk about some
of the evidence that you've gotten the opportunity

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to examine and find over the years. So is there anything that stood out

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to you over the time that you
were investigating the subject that you found yourself

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or that maybe somebody else found that
you found to be very credible and important

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as far as the discovery of these
creatures. Now do you want to talk

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about the echy or big Foot.
Let's talk a little bit about the Yeti

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skull that you got the opportunity to
examine and what you thought about that and

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what do you think about that validity, and then let's move into some of

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the Sasquatch evidence. All right.
I was a tea plantern in North India

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for five years and every year we
had a month off. When I had

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that month off, I would go
into the Himalaya and to look for the

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echy, and these were what you
might call race old expeditions. They consisted

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on myself and a cook and a
couple of porters and we high Tiphu modeles

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each time, talking which villagers,
and on one occasion we found footprints,

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small five toed footprints that would fit
something which the villagers told us was about

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four feet high. The ECHI not
anything like the big Foot. And I

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did three of those expeditions and then
I was contacted by Tom Slick, the

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Texas oil man, who wanted me
to come to the States and look for

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Bigfoot. So I was retiring from
my tea comp team and at that time,

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so I came over to the States
and went down to Texas. We

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sat down with Tom Slick and we
looked at maps of the Pacifity Northwest and

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at first I was skeptical, and
a large hairy primate in the Pacific Northwest,

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I was very skeptical. Then I
looked at the maps of the Pacific

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Northwest and is twice the size of
the himmalayer twice his eyes are more millions

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of aprils up here, as you
probably know. So we got into Tom

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and I at three year projects into
the Bigfoot, which came to an end

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when Tom died in an aircraft very
sadly Ottower A sixty two. So I

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ran one big project for Tom Slick, who based in northern California. And

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then years later, after Tom had
passed away, I was approached by a

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very wealthy man in Peoria. His
name was Dave Randsburg. He has passed

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away, and we set up another
project. This one was five years and

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we based it again in northern California, then moved to Oregon and we did

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a lot of research. I had
a lot of people working, we had

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officers, vehicles, the helicoptern call. It was a big project. It

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came to an end after five years, with again us having seen some footprints,

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which is touched about the only evidence
except for of course, I witnessed

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supports, and I collected quite a
two of those and put them into my

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book, The Hunt for Bigot,
which has published some years ago. Let's

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talk a little bit about that evidence. Let's talk, for example, about

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the Matterson Gimblin film nineteen sixty seven. They filmed what was purported to be

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this female Sasquats crossing the sandbar in
Bluff Creek. You've obviously seen that and

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you were involved in some level on
looking at that film. Do you think

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that is the piece of evidence that
has stood the test of time. What

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is your thoughts on the Patterson Gimblin
film and whether it's real or not.

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He believe that's a real creature,
which will be about We'll be called in

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nineteen sixty seven footage shot by Roger
Patterson accompanied by Bob Gimlin, and they

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were both cowboys, are very unsophisticated. They rented a camera, they went

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down to northern California and they just
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the right time. I think that's
pootage is real for a number of reasons,

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for the research that's been done on
it. I took a copy of

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two Disney studios years ago, and
I sat down in one of their little

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theaters with the heads of animation and
five of his assistance, and we ran

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the footage and they said, oh, that's great. We ran it again.

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They said, all right, where
was this made? And I said

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it was made in only California by
two amateurs. And they said, oh

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no, this is incredibly sophisticated,
incredibly Now that obviously there's no such creature.

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Therefore its fate. But it's incredibly
well done. It was not done

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in the States. If it was
done the States, we would have done

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it. This was Disney Studios and
then since then told you with Bob Gimblon,

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who appear in the Northwest is regarded
as a man of integrity known to

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many people, and that and other
things convinced me that it's real. It's

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a huge creature. It's seven put
tall. We were able to do me

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measurements later, not long after the
footage was a shop, and compare those

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measurements with sounds and trees behind the
creatures four inches has a pointy two instride

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has fourteen inch feets. These with
the footprints and very powerful, very muscular,

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and princesses is shot by Carbo Bits
using it as film, and they

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had no idea of anatomy. And
yet this creature has budgets, huge buzzecs,

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and these are the muscles that we
used to walk up right. I

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forget the action scientific name, but
you see these enormous muscles on this creature

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moving, The arms are swinging,
It turns its head, teeth between its

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lips. Hears if I'm not going
on and on about the film. Let

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me sum up and say, I
think it's real. There's been tons of

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other evidence and videos and photographs and
castings of footprints, and all these things

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have been found throughout the decades.
Is there anything else that sticks out to

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you as something that you see as
credible evidence in addition to the Patterson Gimmling

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film, the sixty seven film that
these things are real. We found footprints

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five times across the years, and
this is going back across sixty years five

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times only. But they were in
remote areas. Now a pacer goes out

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jamake a fake footprint, he goes
behind his house, or he walks down

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the road, or maybe he drives
five miles. The footprints we found were

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thirty forty miles back a place to
a paprint does not go if for any

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other reason, the footprints are not
going to be found. So the footprints

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we found them are very real.
They were all close to fourteen inches five

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toad with a kind of a slight
bulge behind the right toe. We know

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this. We have cows, of
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have some cows from those days.
So the footprints and then if you want

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some of the other evidence you go
back to him native American evidence, And

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the earliest I have is from seventy
seventeen in a newspaper talking about so Native

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Americans capturing one and then all through
the eighteen hundreds of miners and settlers coming

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in, many stories which to me
are very credible, right up to the

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present day state policeman, even a
High court judge in Oregon here tell me

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about what they saw and give me
their reports. Those things, the history,

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the nineteen sixty seven polm and the
footprints fives and then some things that

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I've seen myself. All of these
things out up to credibility of the creatures

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actually being here, not so many
years. There might have been years ago,

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because in the sixties we found footprints
like twice in one year, and

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now we go ten twenty years and
there's nothing. It's one thing that recently

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came up, and I'll tell you
what it is, because it's worth telling.

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Two years ago, twenty twenty June
seven, loggers were working in northern

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Oregon here way back. They are
about ten miles back in the woods,

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and it was a closed area.
It was gazed. Are the people who

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were releasing it from the Forest Service
and they gate those areas and because of

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insurance, they don't want people walk
again getting had in their insurance problems,

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so it was gated. So these
seven the men were working with some machinery

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and one of them looks up see
the man walking down the road. So

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he says, who's that because there
are no other men in the area,

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only these seven men to all seventh
softwork, and here is a big foot

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walking towards him from about three hundred
yards away, and they said it was

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I've interviewed three of them. They
said it was seven feet tall. They

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guessed it was a dark browning color, walking uprights, swinging his arms.

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It looked enormous. When it came
up to by a hundred jobs away from

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them, it stopped, turned away
and went into the woods where it was

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walking. Was very short dress and
tree stumps, so they're sighting of it

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was very clear. So that's something
in a great interest to people in the

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bead Port period field. We call
it seven and Man sighting from June two

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years ago. Let's talk a little
bit about sightings, because this is what

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this show is really all about.
I started this show to document as many

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encounter stories as I possibly could.
I'm in the southeastern United States in North

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Carolina, so I started with those
kind of stories, and then I've worked

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my way and I've talked to people
in the United Kingdom that have claimed to

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have had sightings of these things.
So let's talk a little bit about some

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of the reports that you've taken.
What do you think about these things being

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seen everywhere down in Florida, here
in North Carolina and of course in the

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Pacific Northwest. How many of these
reports do you think are actually credible?

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I know it's tough to put a
number on it, but what do you

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think as far as credible reports?
Do you think it's ten percent? Do

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you think it's even more than that, Because I struggle sometimes with them being

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seen in some of the areas that
people claim and purport to see. These

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things shot mean and it's in the
search for a very long time. We

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have a saying about where these things
may be found, and that is west

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of the Rockies, and I too
specific northwest northern California, Oregon, British

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Columbia right up to the allows comborder. But in the state too. West

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of the Rockies that's it, and
nowhere else that's interesting, but I hear

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and I've even experienced things here in
North Carolina that I can't explain, but

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I haven't seen anything. When you
get those reports from what appear to be

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credible people, it's hard to separate
the wheat from the chaff because these people

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are very sincere when they're telling their
stories. That's one of the things that

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make this so unbelievable for the skeptical
people and even cynical people, that people

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are seeing these things in places that
they couldn't or wouldn't exist even if they

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were real. People see things when
they're driving, they see a shape,

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perhaps they seat shadows, if they're
into the Bigfoot mystery, if they have

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an interest or read the books,
they misin chapter what they see, and

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very honestly I've done, there would
be no reason to be the same.

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Oh, there's none in North Carolina. There's none in Texas other than our

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studies I must study to go back
sixty years now. I've written two books.

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There's one barely recently. First one
has called The Search for a Big

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Pot, and then our up jegutives
upgraded it to The Hunt for Bigpoot,

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which I've published a couple of years
ago in these studies interviews with people.

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What we come down to, and
once again if I'm not repeating myself,

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is West of the Rockies. We've
been doing this and you've clearly been in

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this for six decades. Over six
decades now, I guess it comes down

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to. I've had conversations with people
like doctor Jeff Meldrum when he was on

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the show, and I asked him
about population and what he thought the population

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could possibly be in the northern United
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What do you think is a ballpark? As far as what kind of

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numbers we're talking with these things currently
as it is today in twenty I've gone

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over this before with other people.
Nobody knows one left or one thousand.

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Nobody knows and no way of knowing. We might CHECKAPU one Monday and a

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teach of English and they could talk
the house kids. Okay, how many

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of you are there? No,
I'm getting we all just lived there.

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But the answer there people say three
hundred, three thousand, one hundred and

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sixty two. Nobody knows how many. I will say. One thing there

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seems to be there are less and
less reports across the years, and because

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of that, I think these things
might be diminishing, like the YETI.

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Going back to the YETI per a
moment, I think the YETI is extinct.

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And the reason for that is it
we're going into something like forty five

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tip to years now and there has
not been a single footprint or a single

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side or the yechy. Just like
when I was in the him and there

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in the country of the Pole.
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animals disappeared, completely disappeared. One
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and they're gone, completely gone.
Our big foot could be diminishing in

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numbers. And then, if I'm
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nobody knows. The question is always
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I ask this of people on my
show often, so I'll ask it of

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you, why do you think it
is after all these years and you in

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the search for yourself for sixty plus
years, now, why is it that

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you think we don't have definitive proof
that these things actually exist? Why haven't

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we been able to find them?
Because the science demands a body on the

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table, and that's the answer.
Stories of sightings choices of sounds, raws

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and streams and yells, stories of
footprint finds, some of them not credible,

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They're no good. And the best
photographs that you can reproduced in color.

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You know what can be done with
computers. I'm sure when it comes

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down j And I've work with several
sciences and what they demand is physical evidence,

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a body on the table, if
you like to say. And no

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physical evidences have been found. No
hairs have ever been found, no bones,

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no tissues, no bodies, nothing
has ever been ton People say they

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have this, they have that,
but they don't. So there is a

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physical evidence as well as demanded by
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And until they get it, bigfoot
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definitely want to be respectful of your
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I just want to give you the
last word. You've been doing this for

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so long, and you've been in
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What do you want to leave the
audience with as far as thoughts on

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Bigfoot, the evidence, the search, anything you've experienced. What is the

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last word for you on solving this
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As far as asqu is concerned,
Well, we hope all of us,

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as we hope allow me in years
is the bother you will be found one

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that a side of natural causes,
not on this spin shot. Now,

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if the body is found, then
the scientists will subnat Jay and behinds and

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huge institutions like Smithsonian. Let's stop
putting people into the field. So what

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we hope for is the best thing
that we can think of to prove the

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thing is about a duchess shout of
ducial cause us stay tuned for more Sasquatch

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Odyssey will be right back after these
messages. In this age of computer databases,

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space travel, and diminishing frontiers,
many find it hard to believe that

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some things may exist without humans knowing
about them, But some believe in the

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unknown and seek it out no matter
what the consequences. Tonight we look at

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a Northwest legend that goes back farther
than just about any other northwester purports Associate

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producers Been Harrow found out that even
some people with academic credentials have become Bigfoot

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believers. Legends of Bigfoot have been
around the Northwest more than a hundred years.

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The Indians who lived here before.
Lewis and Clark made carvings of creatures

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that some say represent the earliest sightings
of Sasquatch. We had one very exciting

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sighting from this year. It might
walk over one of these open fields here.

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Modern day investigators want to find a
Bigfoot for varied reasons. I have

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not seen one, at least not
to my knowledge. I've heard one,

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at least I'm pretty sure that's what
it was, and once I smelled what

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was probably a sasquatch. Washington State
University anthropology professor Grober Krantz has been recognized

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as an authority on evidence of Bigfoot, but he knows the academic world needs

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more than footprints and film. They
need proof. They need tangible evidence,

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a skull on the table. Short
of that, it doesn't exists, that's

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absolute. Krantz Tal's Northwest reports he
sees a clear way to prove Bigfoot's existence.

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Shoot one. I think that's wrong. I think it's very wrong.

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In fact, I think it's criminal. Just about Peter Byrne, a big

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game hunter to a naturalist, looks
for Bigfoot with little more than a camera.

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He says his research project is a
benign operation. I think it's very

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wrong to say shoot one to prove
that it's there, and we're very much

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against that. Burne runs what he
calls the Bigfoot Research Project out of a

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house in park Deal, Oregon,
on the road to Mount Hood where Fairy

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satisfied that the things are there.
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is gathering all of the information and
putting it into a computer against a prepared

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database and looking for patterns. Then
when we find these patterns, we will

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apply technical equipment in various forms.
The five year project got funding from a

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Massachusetts based scientific group. The present
project is a year old. We started

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in August of last year. Yeah, I've been in and out since nineteen

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sixty, which is thirty three years. Not on the full time basis.

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I did ten years in the seventies
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That was full time, But since
then I've been in and out of it,

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giving it what time I can in
the search. In the fifties,

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Burne joined organized searches for Yeti,
or the Abominable Snowman, in Asia's Himalaya

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Mountains. The sponsors of those expeditions
asked Burne if he would help find a

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similar creature in the United States.
I have to admit I laughed at the

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time. I thought it was very
amusing that something like this, like in

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the vulnerable snow man, could exist
in the United States. So I came

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over in nineteen sixty and spent a
year and got bitten by the bug,

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if you like. Burne searched without
success. After a year, he left

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the country, but returned shortly thereafter
to make Oregon the headquarters for his big

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foot search. Tell me about this
bug? What is it that fuels the

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fire that leads to all these projects. I think it's the challenge in this

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particular respect of the unknown, the
possibility that if these things are truly there,

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that we're looking at something, shall
we say, almost still living in

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the primordial world. We think these
things are a human inform, a helmonid

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form. We don't think the animals. The fact of the matter is this

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is not an animal. It's somewhere
between ape and human. It is flat

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out ape, an older man with
his dog. We're out here, and

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they encountered one. Krantz developed his
bigfoot interest during his teenage years. When

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I became a professional anthropologist. I
realized that if this thing is real,

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it's very important in my field.
Even if it isn't real, it's indirectly

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important because it's a piece of folk
or that's really weird. So I felt

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that I couldn't honestly just ignore it. I had to find out for sure,

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one way or the other. So
I looked into it. To my

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satisfaction, I did find out for
sure. Krantz has the most compelling evidence

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supporting the existence of Bigfoot are footprints, hundreds of footprints found all over the

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regional Many of them are faked,
but not all, says Krantz. So

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if even one one of those wasn't
fate, yeah, you don't need half,

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you don't need one percent. You
just need one, meaning one real

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one, and then you know that
the species is real. And what's the

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likelihood of at least one of these
being real? Guaranteed? So Krantz is

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convinced. He even suggests sasquatches may
be an endangered species and that they may

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need our help. But you can't
help what you can't find. Bigfoot believers

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have yet to convince the scientific community
or the public, and they know that

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the only way to stop the ridicule
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And I've stuck my neck out very
flatly on this that the only way you're

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going to prove it exists is to
bring in a body or a piece of

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a body. You don't have to
ask me, Ask any scientist, any

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skeptic, and they'll tell you the
same thing. They need proof, they

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need tangible evidence. Krantz is the
most likely way to find a dead sasquatch

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is to kill one. If somebody
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the body or a substantial part of
it, then the parties over it's done.

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It's proven. Scientific world will have
to acknowledge it. Would you like

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to capture one? No, we're
against the idea of captain. So you'd

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like to track I mean you'd like
to find or we'd like to find one

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a confront point if you like,
and see if it's possible to communicate it.

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So you'd like to give Peter Byrne
a gun instead of a camera.

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Yes, Peter Byrne, and his
camera is never going to prove him.

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He may make himself a nice name
if he gets some good film of it,

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but it is never going to prove
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will look at everything he gets,
the best he can possibly get, and

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they will say fake. They've said
that to Patterson's film, they'll say it

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to Peter Byrne. But there's no
way you can prove it with anything but

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a body. On October twentieth,
nineteen sixty seven, Yakima, Washington resident

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Roger Patterson and his buddy Robert Gimlin
reportedly encountered a sasquatch while hunting for Sasquatch

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evidence. The second only to the
footprints, I would class the Patterson the

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film as the most powerful evidence.
The two men were on horseback in northern

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California when they discovered this creature crouching
beside the creek. Their presence alarmed a

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creature, which allegedly stood up and
walked away. The sighting spooked Patterson's horse,

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which reared and fell over backward on
top of him about twenty seconds laps

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before Patterson grabbed a sixteen millimeter camera
and started filming. Patterson kept rolling until

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he ran out of film. According
to Krantz, the encounter was over in

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less than two minutes, and Patterson
shot nine hundred and fifty two color frames

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of what many say is a real
sasquatch. Krantz analyzed the film frame by

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frame. He reports no evidence of
fakery, though he says he believes Patterson

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may have faked the film if he
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says no one has ever bothered to
disprove the film. Analyzing the creature in

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the film. As to the idea
that it was just a big man in

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a first suit, there is no
man that can be fitted into a suit

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that gives those body proportions. The
only way you could put a man in

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a suit is get a man six
and a half feet tall, drunk in

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a slouch, but break his arm
right about the middle of the upper arm

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so that you give him a fake
shoulders there. And I don't think anyone

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would have done that. Though no
one has captured a decent image of a

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big foot on film or tape since
Patterson, reports of sightings and fresh footprints

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continue to reach big foot seeking organizations. Many of the sightings occur at night,

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something on the side of a road
caught briefly in the headlights of a

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passing car. Fewer sightings take place
in the dense Northwest forests. That bitch

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shick, I guess I was working
out poquick cannon logan Firman Osbourne says he

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saw a huge, hairy creature up
close and personal one sunny morning. Osborne

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was working as a logger in Oregon's
Hood River National Forest and his colleagues were

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taking a break in the shade one
day when a big footlight creature allegedly appeared.

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Yeah, complish big taking out a
power of bush check up through a

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pleasure, looked me about shouldn't be
tall or big tall, long harry legs

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and stood up five bitch cadio,
big ball shoulder, got marshy like a

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man. It looks like a beast
and it was a big thing. Shade

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should be tall and by the way. Osborne followed the creature to get a

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better look. He says it quickly
headed toward thick scrub he could runs.

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Osborne says he threw some rocks at
it in hopes of getting it to turn

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and show its face. It did
not, and that was the last time

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Osborne ever saw such a creature.
So you do believe that there there are

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creatures out there? Yeah, I
know the creature some crime show, and

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I was close to it. Oh, it would I'll ever know. Perhaps

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none of us will ever know for
sure if sasquatch like creatures exist. For

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some, it might be the search
for the unknown that makes the big Foot

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mystery so intriguing, but not so
for Crantz. He wants the hunt to

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end and end fast. Might repute
Asian in straight science has suffered very badly

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for this, and I would feel
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As for Peter Byrne, he still
has four years of funding for his

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search. He can't say what he'll
do after that, though he gives no

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indication he'll give up the search.
Say you never, tire, I mean

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you don't get up in the morning
someday and say this is the last thing

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that I want to do. No, I get out in the morning and

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say this is the day I may
find Bigfoot. I really appreciate your time.

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I know your time is valuable,
and I can't thank you enough for

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coming on the show and sharing your
knowledge and experience. It's been a blast

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talking to you. I really appreciate
you coming on. All right, my

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pleasure. Glad to help