Hey, this is josh And and Tyler from a Kentucky x FOS. You're
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Sunday. I hope you guys have got a great weekend. We have an
amazing show live for you. But as always, I want to start by
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We've got a great show lined up for you. This is something that I've
been struggling on how to handle over the last week or so. As most
all of you know that are listening right now, we lost the last of
the four Horsemen of Sasquatchery last Friday, on July twenty eighth, Peter Byrne
passed away. I am so fortunate that I got the opportunity to sit down
and talk to Peter and interview him last May. It was episode one fifty
of the show. We had an amazing conversation, and frankly, I think
it was one of the last interviews that Peter did, possibly the last one
that he did publicly before he passed away. So I wanted to go back
and honor him and remaster that. Because he was on a telephone, we
didn't do this over stream yard like I normally do each of the episodes,
so I've cleaned up the IDEO as much as I possibly could and added a
great interview with he and Groverkranz at the end of this. So the first
part of this is going to be my interview with Peter from last year,
and then we kind of close out with an interview I think it was back
in the nineties. This episode is all about paying homage to the last of
the four Horsemen of Sasquatchery, to the great Peter Byrne. May he rest
in peace. Now you guys sit back, relax and enjoy the show our
books. I want to welcome our guests to the show. It's the incomparable
Peter Byrne. Welcome to the show. Peter. Oh, thank you,
thank you. I just want to get right into it. I did a
history show about you recently, so everybody has the backstory to your life and
the things that you did leading up to getting into Bigfoot, Sasquatch, and
the jetty working with John Green, Reneeda Hendon, Grover Cranch. You will
ever be connected to those folks as one of the four horsemen of sasquatcheries.
So I want to talk about some of the evidence that you've gotten the opportunity
to examine and find over the years. So is there anything that stood out
to you over the time that you were investigating the subject that you found yourself
or that maybe somebody else found that you found to be very credible and important
as far as the discovery of these creatures. Now do you want to talk
about the echy or big Foot. Let's talk a little bit about the Yeti
skull that you got the opportunity to examine and what you thought about that and
what do you think about that validity, and then let's move into some of
the Sasquatch evidence. All right. I was a tea plantern in North India
for five years and every year we had a month off. When I had
that month off, I would go into the Himalaya and to look for the
echy, and these were what you might call race old expeditions. They consisted
on myself and a cook and a couple of porters and we high Tiphu modeles
each time, talking which villagers, and on one occasion we found footprints,
small five toed footprints that would fit something which the villagers told us was about
four feet high. The ECHI not anything like the big Foot. And I
did three of those expeditions and then I was contacted by Tom Slick, the
Texas oil man, who wanted me to come to the States and look for
Bigfoot. So I was retiring from my tea comp team and at that time,
so I came over to the States and went down to Texas. We
sat down with Tom Slick and we looked at maps of the Pacifity Northwest and
at first I was skeptical, and a large hairy primate in the Pacific Northwest,
I was very skeptical. Then I looked at the maps of the Pacific
Northwest and is twice the size of the himmalayer twice his eyes are more millions
of aprils up here, as you probably know. So we got into Tom
and I at three year projects into the Bigfoot, which came to an end
when Tom died in an aircraft very sadly Ottower A sixty two. So I
ran one big project for Tom Slick, who based in northern California. And
then years later, after Tom had passed away, I was approached by a
very wealthy man in Peoria. His name was Dave Randsburg. He has passed
away, and we set up another project. This one was five years and
we based it again in northern California, then moved to Oregon and we did
a lot of research. I had a lot of people working, we had
officers, vehicles, the helicoptern call. It was a big project. It
came to an end after five years, with again us having seen some footprints,
which is touched about the only evidence except for of course, I witnessed
supports, and I collected quite a two of those and put them into my
book, The Hunt for Bigot, which has published some years ago. Let's
talk a little bit about that evidence. Let's talk, for example, about
the Matterson Gimblin film nineteen sixty seven. They filmed what was purported to be
this female Sasquats crossing the sandbar in Bluff Creek. You've obviously seen that and
you were involved in some level on looking at that film. Do you think
that is the piece of evidence that has stood the test of time. What
is your thoughts on the Patterson Gimblin film and whether it's real or not.
He believe that's a real creature, which will be about We'll be called in
nineteen sixty seven footage shot by Roger Patterson accompanied by Bob Gimlin, and they
were both cowboys, are very unsophisticated. They rented a camera, they went
down to northern California and they just happened to be in the right place at
the right time. I think that's pootage is real for a number of reasons,
for the research that's been done on it. I took a copy of
two Disney studios years ago, and I sat down in one of their little
theaters with the heads of animation and five of his assistance, and we ran
the footage and they said, oh, that's great. We ran it again.
They said, all right, where was this made? And I said
it was made in only California by two amateurs. And they said, oh
no, this is incredibly sophisticated, incredibly Now that obviously there's no such creature.
Therefore its fate. But it's incredibly well done. It was not done
in the States. If it was done the States, we would have done
it. This was Disney Studios and then since then told you with Bob Gimblon,
who appear in the Northwest is regarded as a man of integrity known to
many people, and that and other things convinced me that it's real. It's
a huge creature. It's seven put tall. We were able to do me
measurements later, not long after the footage was a shop, and compare those
measurements with sounds and trees behind the creatures four inches has a pointy two instride
has fourteen inch feets. These with the footprints and very powerful, very muscular,
and princesses is shot by Carbo Bits using it as film, and they
had no idea of anatomy. And yet this creature has budgets, huge buzzecs,
and these are the muscles that we used to walk up right. I
forget the action scientific name, but you see these enormous muscles on this creature
moving, The arms are swinging, It turns its head, teeth between its
lips. Hears if I'm not going on and on about the film. Let
me sum up and say, I think it's real. There's been tons of
other evidence and videos and photographs and castings of footprints, and all these things
have been found throughout the decades. Is there anything else that sticks out to
you as something that you see as credible evidence in addition to the Patterson Gimmling
film, the sixty seven film that these things are real. We found footprints
five times across the years, and this is going back across sixty years five
times only. But they were in remote areas. Now a pacer goes out
jamake a fake footprint, he goes behind his house, or he walks down
the road, or maybe he drives five miles. The footprints we found were
thirty forty miles back a place to a paprint does not go if for any
other reason, the footprints are not going to be found. So the footprints
we found them are very real. They were all close to fourteen inches five
toad with a kind of a slight bulge behind the right toe. We know
this. We have cows, of course still after all these years, we
have some cows from those days. So the footprints and then if you want
some of the other evidence you go back to him native American evidence, And
the earliest I have is from seventy seventeen in a newspaper talking about so Native
Americans capturing one and then all through the eighteen hundreds of miners and settlers coming
in, many stories which to me are very credible, right up to the
present day state policeman, even a High court judge in Oregon here tell me
about what they saw and give me their reports. Those things, the history,
the nineteen sixty seven polm and the footprints fives and then some things that
I've seen myself. All of these things out up to credibility of the creatures
actually being here, not so many years. There might have been years ago,
because in the sixties we found footprints like twice in one year, and
now we go ten twenty years and there's nothing. It's one thing that recently
came up, and I'll tell you what it is, because it's worth telling.
Two years ago, twenty twenty June seven, loggers were working in northern
Oregon here way back. They are about ten miles back in the woods,
and it was a closed area. It was gazed. Are the people who
were releasing it from the Forest Service and they gate those areas and because of
insurance, they don't want people walk again getting had in their insurance problems,
so it was gated. So these seven the men were working with some machinery
and one of them looks up see the man walking down the road. So
he says, who's that because there are no other men in the area,
only these seven men to all seventh softwork, and here is a big foot
walking towards him from about three hundred yards away, and they said it was
I've interviewed three of them. They said it was seven feet tall. They
guessed it was a dark browning color, walking uprights, swinging his arms.
It looked enormous. When it came up to by a hundred jobs away from
them, it stopped, turned away and went into the woods where it was
walking. Was very short dress and tree stumps, so they're sighting of it
was very clear. So that's something in a great interest to people in the
bead Port period field. We call it seven and Man sighting from June two
years ago. Let's talk a little bit about sightings, because this is what
this show is really all about. I started this show to document as many
encounter stories as I possibly could. I'm in the southeastern United States in North
Carolina, so I started with those kind of stories, and then I've worked
my way and I've talked to people in the United Kingdom that have claimed to
have had sightings of these things. So let's talk a little bit about some
of the reports that you've taken. What do you think about these things being
seen everywhere down in Florida, here in North Carolina and of course in the
Pacific Northwest. How many of these reports do you think are actually credible?
I know it's tough to put a number on it, but what do you
think as far as credible reports? Do you think it's ten percent? Do
you think it's even more than that, Because I struggle sometimes with them being
seen in some of the areas that people claim and purport to see. These
things shot mean and it's in the search for a very long time. We
have a saying about where these things may be found, and that is west
of the Rockies, and I too specific northwest northern California, Oregon, British
Columbia right up to the allows comborder. But in the state too. West
of the Rockies that's it, and nowhere else that's interesting, but I hear
and I've even experienced things here in North Carolina that I can't explain, but
I haven't seen anything. When you get those reports from what appear to be
credible people, it's hard to separate the wheat from the chaff because these people
are very sincere when they're telling their stories. That's one of the things that
make this so unbelievable for the skeptical people and even cynical people, that people
are seeing these things in places that they couldn't or wouldn't exist even if they
were real. People see things when they're driving, they see a shape,
perhaps they seat shadows, if they're into the Bigfoot mystery, if they have
an interest or read the books, they misin chapter what they see, and
very honestly I've done, there would be no reason to be the same.
Oh, there's none in North Carolina. There's none in Texas other than our
studies I must study to go back sixty years now. I've written two books.
There's one barely recently. First one has called The Search for a Big
Pot, and then our up jegutives upgraded it to The Hunt for Bigpoot,
which I've published a couple of years ago in these studies interviews with people.
What we come down to, and once again if I'm not repeating myself,
is West of the Rockies. We've been doing this and you've clearly been in
this for six decades. Over six decades now, I guess it comes down
to. I've had conversations with people like doctor Jeff Meldrum when he was on
the show, and I asked him about population and what he thought the population
could possibly be in the northern United States to include Canada in the Pacific Northwest.
What do you think is a ballpark? As far as what kind of
numbers we're talking with these things currently as it is today in twenty I've gone
over this before with other people. Nobody knows one left or one thousand.
Nobody knows and no way of knowing. We might CHECKAPU one Monday and a
teach of English and they could talk the house kids. Okay, how many
of you are there? No, I'm getting we all just lived there.
But the answer there people say three hundred, three thousand, one hundred and
sixty two. Nobody knows how many. I will say. One thing there
seems to be there are less and less reports across the years, and because
of that, I think these things might be diminishing, like the YETI.
Going back to the YETI per a moment, I think the YETI is extinct.
And the reason for that is it we're going into something like forty five
tip to years now and there has not been a single footprint or a single
side or the yechy. Just like when I was in the him and there
in the country of the Pole. Past the years I was there, two
animals disappeared, completely disappeared. One was a small leopard called the clouded leopard,
and they're gone, completely gone. Our big foot could be diminishing in
numbers. And then, if I'm not repeating myself as to action numbers,
nobody knows. The question is always hanging in the air for me, and
I ask this of people on my show often, so I'll ask it of
you, why do you think it is after all these years and you in
the search for yourself for sixty plus years, now, why is it that
you think we don't have definitive proof that these things actually exist? Why haven't
we been able to find them? Because the science demands a body on the
table, and that's the answer. Stories of sightings choices of sounds, raws
and streams and yells, stories of footprint finds, some of them not credible,
They're no good. And the best photographs that you can reproduced in color.
You know what can be done with computers. I'm sure when it comes
down j And I've work with several sciences and what they demand is physical evidence,
a body on the table, if you like to say. And no
physical evidences have been found. No hairs have ever been found, no bones,
no tissues, no bodies, nothing has ever been ton People say they
have this, they have that, but they don't. So there is a
physical evidence as well as demanded by scientists, and they don't have it.
And until they get it, bigfoot is what amiss a joke. But I
definitely want to be respectful of your time, and as we close out,
I just want to give you the last word. You've been doing this for
so long, and you've been in this search for the majority of your life.
What do you want to leave the audience with as far as thoughts on
Bigfoot, the evidence, the search, anything you've experienced. What is the
last word for you on solving this enigma that we're all trying to solve?
As far as asqu is concerned, Well, we hope all of us,
as we hope allow me in years is the bother you will be found one
that a side of natural causes, not on this spin shot. Now,
if the body is found, then the scientists will subnat Jay and behinds and
huge institutions like Smithsonian. Let's stop putting people into the field. So what
we hope for is the best thing that we can think of to prove the
thing is about a duchess shout of ducial cause us stay tuned for more Sasquatch
Odyssey will be right back after these messages. In this age of computer databases,
space travel, and diminishing frontiers, many find it hard to believe that
some things may exist without humans knowing about them, But some believe in the
unknown and seek it out no matter what the consequences. Tonight we look at
a Northwest legend that goes back farther than just about any other northwester purports Associate
producers Been Harrow found out that even some people with academic credentials have become Bigfoot
believers. Legends of Bigfoot have been around the Northwest more than a hundred years.
The Indians who lived here before. Lewis and Clark made carvings of creatures
that some say represent the earliest sightings of Sasquatch. We had one very exciting
sighting from this year. It might walk over one of these open fields here.
Modern day investigators want to find a Bigfoot for varied reasons. I have
not seen one, at least not to my knowledge. I've heard one,
at least I'm pretty sure that's what it was, and once I smelled what
was probably a sasquatch. Washington State University anthropology professor Grober Krantz has been recognized
as an authority on evidence of Bigfoot, but he knows the academic world needs
more than footprints and film. They need proof. They need tangible evidence,
a skull on the table. Short of that, it doesn't exists, that's
absolute. Krantz Tal's Northwest reports he sees a clear way to prove Bigfoot's existence.
Shoot one. I think that's wrong. I think it's very wrong.
In fact, I think it's criminal. Just about Peter Byrne, a big
game hunter to a naturalist, looks for Bigfoot with little more than a camera.
He says his research project is a benign operation. I think it's very
wrong to say shoot one to prove that it's there, and we're very much
against that. Burne runs what he calls the Bigfoot Research Project out of a
house in park Deal, Oregon, on the road to Mount Hood where Fairy
satisfied that the things are there. And basically what we're doing in a nutshell
is gathering all of the information and putting it into a computer against a prepared
database and looking for patterns. Then when we find these patterns, we will
apply technical equipment in various forms. The five year project got funding from a
Massachusetts based scientific group. The present project is a year old. We started
in August of last year. Yeah, I've been in and out since nineteen
sixty, which is thirty three years. Not on the full time basis.
I did ten years in the seventies from nineteen seventy to nineteen seventy nine.
That was full time, But since then I've been in and out of it,
giving it what time I can in the search. In the fifties,
Burne joined organized searches for Yeti, or the Abominable Snowman, in Asia's Himalaya
Mountains. The sponsors of those expeditions asked Burne if he would help find a
similar creature in the United States. I have to admit I laughed at the
time. I thought it was very amusing that something like this, like in
the vulnerable snow man, could exist in the United States. So I came
over in nineteen sixty and spent a year and got bitten by the bug,
if you like. Burne searched without success. After a year, he left
the country, but returned shortly thereafter to make Oregon the headquarters for his big
foot search. Tell me about this bug? What is it that fuels the
fire that leads to all these projects. I think it's the challenge in this
particular respect of the unknown, the possibility that if these things are truly there,
that we're looking at something, shall we say, almost still living in
the primordial world. We think these things are a human inform, a helmonid
form. We don't think the animals. The fact of the matter is this
is not an animal. It's somewhere between ape and human. It is flat
out ape, an older man with his dog. We're out here, and
they encountered one. Krantz developed his bigfoot interest during his teenage years. When
I became a professional anthropologist. I realized that if this thing is real,
it's very important in my field. Even if it isn't real, it's indirectly
important because it's a piece of folk or that's really weird. So I felt
that I couldn't honestly just ignore it. I had to find out for sure,
one way or the other. So I looked into it. To my
satisfaction, I did find out for sure. Krantz has the most compelling evidence
supporting the existence of Bigfoot are footprints, hundreds of footprints found all over the
regional Many of them are faked, but not all, says Krantz. So
if even one one of those wasn't fate, yeah, you don't need half,
you don't need one percent. You just need one, meaning one real
one, and then you know that the species is real. And what's the
likelihood of at least one of these being real? Guaranteed? So Krantz is
convinced. He even suggests sasquatches may be an endangered species and that they may
need our help. But you can't help what you can't find. Bigfoot believers
have yet to convince the scientific community or the public, and they know that
the only way to stop the ridicule they face is to produce indisputable evidence.
And I've stuck my neck out very flatly on this that the only way you're
going to prove it exists is to bring in a body or a piece of
a body. You don't have to ask me, Ask any scientist, any
skeptic, and they'll tell you the same thing. They need proof, they
need tangible evidence. Krantz is the most likely way to find a dead sasquatch
is to kill one. If somebody goes out and shoots one, brings in
the body or a substantial part of it, then the parties over it's done.
It's proven. Scientific world will have to acknowledge it. Would you like
to capture one? No, we're against the idea of captain. So you'd
like to track I mean you'd like to find or we'd like to find one
a confront point if you like, and see if it's possible to communicate it.
So you'd like to give Peter Byrne a gun instead of a camera.
Yes, Peter Byrne, and his camera is never going to prove him.
He may make himself a nice name if he gets some good film of it,
but it is never going to prove it to the skeptics. The skeptics
will look at everything he gets, the best he can possibly get, and
they will say fake. They've said that to Patterson's film, they'll say it
to Peter Byrne. But there's no way you can prove it with anything but
a body. On October twentieth, nineteen sixty seven, Yakima, Washington resident
Roger Patterson and his buddy Robert Gimlin reportedly encountered a sasquatch while hunting for Sasquatch
evidence. The second only to the footprints, I would class the Patterson the
film as the most powerful evidence. The two men were on horseback in northern
California when they discovered this creature crouching beside the creek. Their presence alarmed a
creature, which allegedly stood up and walked away. The sighting spooked Patterson's horse,
which reared and fell over backward on top of him about twenty seconds laps
before Patterson grabbed a sixteen millimeter camera and started filming. Patterson kept rolling until
he ran out of film. According to Krantz, the encounter was over in
less than two minutes, and Patterson shot nine hundred and fifty two color frames
of what many say is a real sasquatch. Krantz analyzed the film frame by
frame. He reports no evidence of fakery, though he says he believes Patterson
may have faked the film if he had the opportunity to do so. Krantz
says no one has ever bothered to disprove the film. Analyzing the creature in
the film. As to the idea that it was just a big man in
a first suit, there is no man that can be fitted into a suit
that gives those body proportions. The only way you could put a man in
a suit is get a man six and a half feet tall, drunk in
a slouch, but break his arm right about the middle of the upper arm
so that you give him a fake shoulders there. And I don't think anyone
would have done that. Though no one has captured a decent image of a
big foot on film or tape since Patterson, reports of sightings and fresh footprints
continue to reach big foot seeking organizations. Many of the sightings occur at night,
something on the side of a road caught briefly in the headlights of a
passing car. Fewer sightings take place in the dense Northwest forests. That bitch
shick, I guess I was working out poquick cannon logan Firman Osbourne says he
saw a huge, hairy creature up close and personal one sunny morning. Osborne
was working as a logger in Oregon's Hood River National Forest and his colleagues were
taking a break in the shade one day when a big footlight creature allegedly appeared.
Yeah, complish big taking out a power of bush check up through a
pleasure, looked me about shouldn't be tall or big tall, long harry legs
and stood up five bitch cadio, big ball shoulder, got marshy like a
man. It looks like a beast and it was a big thing. Shade
should be tall and by the way. Osborne followed the creature to get a
better look. He says it quickly headed toward thick scrub he could runs.
Osborne says he threw some rocks at it in hopes of getting it to turn
and show its face. It did not, and that was the last time
Osborne ever saw such a creature. So you do believe that there there are
creatures out there? Yeah, I know the creature some crime show, and
I was close to it. Oh, it would I'll ever know. Perhaps
none of us will ever know for sure if sasquatch like creatures exist. For
some, it might be the search for the unknown that makes the big Foot
mystery so intriguing, but not so for Crantz. He wants the hunt to
end and end fast. Might repute Asian in straight science has suffered very badly
for this, and I would feel very vindicated if the search has ended successfully.
As for Peter Byrne, he still has four years of funding for his
search. He can't say what he'll do after that, though he gives no
indication he'll give up the search. Say you never, tire, I mean
you don't get up in the morning someday and say this is the last thing
that I want to do. No, I get out in the morning and
say this is the day I may find Bigfoot. I really appreciate your time.
I know your time is valuable, and I can't thank you enough for
coming on the show and sharing your knowledge and experience. It's been a blast
talking to you. I really appreciate you coming on. All right, my
pleasure. Glad to help