WEBVTT 1 00:00:02.480 --> 00:00:07.480 This is I on the Ball with Steve Rivera and Jay Gonzalez sound Fox Sports 2 00:00:07.519 --> 00:00:14.199 fourteen fifty powered by Nova Insurance Services and Sure Your most Prized Possessions kat z 3 00:00:14.560 --> 00:00:19.719 R two SAD and iHeartRadio Station. Good afternoon, everybody. Welcome to I 4 00:00:19.920 --> 00:00:23.839 on the Ball here on Fox Sports fourteen fifty. I'm Steve Rivera. Jagan 5 00:00:23.879 --> 00:00:27.760 Zalis is out today. I got my guys, Sammy, this is your 6 00:00:27.760 --> 00:00:32.679 president for graduation. This man really all right? Fair enough? My last 7 00:00:32.719 --> 00:00:36.200 show too, that's what it's for. It's sorry, you can get to 8 00:00:36.840 --> 00:00:40.880 wrap it up for you, so you'll wrap it up for us. Oh, 9 00:00:40.920 --> 00:00:45.880 well it was. It was Ana Lisa's last show yesterdayesterday. J became 10 00:00:45.920 --> 00:00:50.039 tyry eyed. At least I thought so, I'm sure, and I gave 11 00:00:50.079 --> 00:00:53.479 her grief. Of course, if they were here, he would be at 12 00:00:54.399 --> 00:00:57.439 Yeah, that's Sammy. This is golf buddy. Yeah, exactly. You 13 00:00:57.439 --> 00:01:03.679 probably didn't give him any lessons, did you. No good for you? 14 00:01:03.439 --> 00:01:07.480 Just think of Charles Barkley. Okay, no, I don't know how he's 15 00:01:07.480 --> 00:01:10.840 sawing. That's probably I scream like Charles Barkley. Hey, good afternoon, 16 00:01:10.879 --> 00:01:14.359 everybody. You two Samon, thanks for coming in saving the day because Jay 17 00:01:14.439 --> 00:01:18.319 is out and I don't know any of those buttons that you press. So 18 00:01:18.599 --> 00:01:21.840 good for us, good for me, Thank you. A lot of stuff, 19 00:01:22.000 --> 00:01:23.959 A lot of stuff going on, but not a lot of stuff going 20 00:01:23.000 --> 00:01:27.359 on. I know you have some breaking news involving Arizona things. Uh one, 21 00:01:27.719 --> 00:01:32.000 I kind of want to talk about the big one, uh kerr. 22 00:01:32.680 --> 00:01:34.599 We talked a little about him yesterday. I know Annaly saw him around and 23 00:01:34.640 --> 00:01:41.640 about the city last week. I think it was that General Ben's not gentlemen's 24 00:01:42.200 --> 00:01:46.879 uh give me the other one stirbacks. I think that was what she said. 25 00:01:47.200 --> 00:01:52.400 And uh, he's going to Kentucky so as a roundabout way to become 26 00:01:52.439 --> 00:01:56.879 a wildcat again and to the fame school. Yeah, he said in his 27 00:01:56.920 --> 00:02:00.519 Instagram post he's a wildcat for life. I wonder what number he's gonna go 28 00:02:00.560 --> 00:02:05.959 back to five, probably twenty five. Well he's a guy who's sign a 29 00:02:06.000 --> 00:02:09.159 few lives, right yeah. Uh, And we know Kentucky has this blue 30 00:02:09.159 --> 00:02:14.280 blood which it is, which it is it is, don't don't go jay 31 00:02:14.319 --> 00:02:17.360 on me. It is it is because he's established itself. It's more of 32 00:02:17.400 --> 00:02:23.400 a blue blood than Arizona is. Yeah. So historically the story, that's 33 00:02:23.400 --> 00:02:25.000 what Blue Blood's YEA, once you're a king, guess what you are, 34 00:02:25.199 --> 00:02:29.080 You're always a king king. So that's what that's what he is, that's 35 00:02:29.120 --> 00:02:31.199 what that's what they are, and he's going I think that Pope is gonna 36 00:02:31.199 --> 00:02:35.719 Mark Pope is gonna do a fantastic job. One because he's a good coach. 37 00:02:36.479 --> 00:02:40.000 Two he has some players and he's not into all the what it done's 38 00:02:40.120 --> 00:02:46.840 like Cali Party was os. Yeah, I think we Cruz collegiate career seems 39 00:02:46.879 --> 00:02:52.199 like it's just one big roller coaster. Comes here in the Shawn Miller age 40 00:02:53.680 --> 00:02:57.240 as he's on his way out, and you could kind of see he was 41 00:02:57.479 --> 00:03:01.400 very this small guard from Europe that was really trying to figure out how to 42 00:03:01.400 --> 00:03:07.240 play college basketball. And Tommy comes in and kind of breathes this new life 43 00:03:07.280 --> 00:03:12.599 into him, at least from watching him being coached by Sean to then having 44 00:03:12.639 --> 00:03:15.319 the team with Tommy and Ben and La and Christian and that team was the 45 00:03:15.400 --> 00:03:21.000 team was great, pretty good. He was the point guard. And say 46 00:03:21.039 --> 00:03:24.400 what you want about some of the shot decisions, the lack of shot making, 47 00:03:24.439 --> 00:03:29.879 whatever it was, but he was the he was the conductor of the 48 00:03:29.960 --> 00:03:35.080 train and if without without him that he pushed the ball. He gets it, 49 00:03:35.159 --> 00:03:38.960 he gets everyone in the right spots. He made ben Azuliz Christian look 50 00:03:38.000 --> 00:03:45.400 a lot better than maybe someone else could have. But nonetheless, transfers go 51 00:03:45.560 --> 00:03:47.199 ahead. Would you say that train went off the rails a few times? 52 00:03:47.639 --> 00:03:52.080 Sure? Sure, but I just want to make sure. But you're you're 53 00:03:52.120 --> 00:03:53.400 you're talking him up. So I just wanted to make you go back to 54 00:03:53.439 --> 00:03:58.879 reality. No, I know, but I don't. I don't think you 55 00:03:58.879 --> 00:04:02.479 could say Arizona six cess or lack thereof in that season. Both don't happen 56 00:04:02.560 --> 00:04:06.639 without him, No question. You The conductor is a good word because it's 57 00:04:06.759 --> 00:04:10.560 true. Uh, you know, for the good and the bad. Like 58 00:04:10.639 --> 00:04:13.919 you just said, Uh, it was kind of like Boswall this year. 59 00:04:14.800 --> 00:04:16.920 And guess what position they play? Point guard? And you that you know 60 00:04:16.959 --> 00:04:21.519 what that means, you point the damn good point guard. And we were 61 00:04:21.519 --> 00:04:26.439 talking about this with somebody else, one of the Boosters today, and they 62 00:04:26.480 --> 00:04:30.439 haven't had a good one since TJ McConnell, and that team was fantastic. 63 00:04:30.560 --> 00:04:32.639 They didn't get to the final four. They were inches away on one game 64 00:04:32.879 --> 00:04:38.120 and got blown out in the lead the second game, but they haven't had 65 00:04:38.160 --> 00:04:41.680 many good ones in point guard. You that too is a blue blog because 66 00:04:41.680 --> 00:04:44.720 it's so long ago and it's just a name. Now. Yeah, it's 67 00:04:44.759 --> 00:04:46.839 just it's just a it's a bumper sticker. Well, what's hard is that 68 00:04:48.040 --> 00:04:51.519 you had so many guys come in that were like, Oh, he's going 69 00:04:51.519 --> 00:04:55.680 to be the next you of a great point guard. I personally, I 70 00:04:55.720 --> 00:04:59.759 grew up playing against Nico Mannion and I thought he was going to be fantastic 71 00:04:59.800 --> 00:05:03.639 for okay, so I'll get my impressions on that and what else? Why 72 00:05:03.680 --> 00:05:09.079 why did you think that? Because A, I mean, it's really easy 73 00:05:09.079 --> 00:05:11.160 to see what's in front of you all the time. Like we played him 74 00:05:11.199 --> 00:05:15.120 club ball, high school basketball. Fantastic player. He was fantastic and and 75 00:05:15.199 --> 00:05:19.839 having played basketball my entire life, you can kind of see that his game 76 00:05:19.959 --> 00:05:24.079 was going to be good at the next level. He had a really high 77 00:05:24.160 --> 00:05:28.879 basketball like Q. He was athletic enough and in high school and whenever he 78 00:05:28.920 --> 00:05:31.800 could really shoot the ball, and it comes to you of a and it's 79 00:05:31.839 --> 00:05:35.800 I don't want to say it's a complete flop, but it was. His 80 00:05:35.800 --> 00:05:42.839 His confidence was was shot was shot by whom Sean Sean Uh, he was 81 00:05:42.839 --> 00:05:46.439 a fantastic player back when he decided to come. I talked to Mike Bibby 82 00:05:46.439 --> 00:05:48.439 about him because he played against him. He's fantastic player. Used to do 83 00:05:48.480 --> 00:05:53.519 a lot of things here when he got here. Sean let him play for 84 00:05:53.600 --> 00:05:57.480 maybe a week or two and then and then took the rest about it. 85 00:05:57.839 --> 00:06:00.639 I wrote a story about that when when Sean was actually let go that it 86 00:06:00.759 --> 00:06:04.399 seemed like he let them play in the first semester, let them do what 87 00:06:04.439 --> 00:06:06.639 they could are you were you here? I was, you know, freshman 88 00:06:06.720 --> 00:06:10.240 year. Okay, so he let them play, and you can go back 89 00:06:10.240 --> 00:06:13.759 and read my calm. Did he let them play that first semester because he 90 00:06:13.800 --> 00:06:16.920 didn't want them to transfer? Right? And then they stayed obviously thinking that 91 00:06:17.000 --> 00:06:20.600 things would be the same or get better. And he and he put the 92 00:06:20.680 --> 00:06:26.240 kebash on that the reins were tightened exactly, uh, and talked about playing 93 00:06:26.279 --> 00:06:29.519 defense, YadA YadA. But he was that guy him. Look at yeah, 94 00:06:29.720 --> 00:06:33.439 Nico Manyon and you know, I'm sorry you have you got Denver Oh 95 00:06:34.759 --> 00:06:40.720 and you and Manyon. Isn't that a fantastic threesome? You would think, 96 00:06:40.839 --> 00:06:44.959 because Josh Green is still in the playoffs, and doing very well with some 97 00:06:45.000 --> 00:06:47.839 good backups as well, with the good core of reserves and all that stuff, 98 00:06:47.959 --> 00:06:51.399 and it didn't do well. This didn't enjoy playing for Sean, and 99 00:06:51.439 --> 00:06:56.399 to be fair, Nico's having a really successful career in Italy right now. 100 00:06:56.600 --> 00:07:01.560 But it was It was really interesting because they came in and he and Nico 101 00:07:01.639 --> 00:07:05.199 and Josh Green had played basketball together for a long long time, and so 102 00:07:05.279 --> 00:07:11.000 you kind of figured that Sean was gonna kind of just let them play. 103 00:07:11.000 --> 00:07:14.040 But when it got a little out of control, that was when he was 104 00:07:14.079 --> 00:07:16.439 gonna kind of step in in play coach, which I mean, not play 105 00:07:16.439 --> 00:07:21.439 coach, but no, no, and he did, but it came really 106 00:07:21.480 --> 00:07:27.639 fast because do you like my theory? Yes, because it's true. And 107 00:07:27.680 --> 00:07:30.279 I've said this to Tommy and he won't say yes or no. But that's 108 00:07:30.279 --> 00:07:35.120 why Tommy was the perfect person to follow Sean. He left them or does 109 00:07:35.199 --> 00:07:40.639 let them play, And that's why I think you see, not to say 110 00:07:41.000 --> 00:07:44.040 Kerr would have done a lot better if Sean were to just let him play, 111 00:07:44.079 --> 00:07:46.759 but Tommy kind of instilled like you're gonna get the ball ahead, You're 112 00:07:46.759 --> 00:07:49.959 gonna be the guy that starts our offense. It may not always end with 113 00:07:50.000 --> 00:07:54.920 you getting shots, and I think that's kind of when it derailed a little 114 00:07:54.959 --> 00:08:00.439 bit bit when it started to end with him getting shots. But he instilled 115 00:08:00.439 --> 00:08:03.519 in the cur like, Hey, the rest of our team, including yourself, 116 00:08:03.839 --> 00:08:05.800 if we do what we're supposed to do, you're going to be the 117 00:08:05.839 --> 00:08:09.639 setup man and if you're okay, like as a point guard, you have 118 00:08:09.680 --> 00:08:13.279 to be okay with that. And that's why I think Ben had a fantastic 119 00:08:13.360 --> 00:08:18.720 year. Dalen was really really good both both ends, and I think Azulus 120 00:08:18.759 --> 00:08:24.000 Tabellis was probably his best self in that last year for her in my opinion. 121 00:08:24.120 --> 00:08:26.720 Sure, we also remember that they had a Kiinjo. I think it 122 00:08:26.759 --> 00:08:31.959 was a kid. Joe was the guard and guess what before him, and 123 00:08:31.000 --> 00:08:37.519 guess what he did, and he took the shots. They hated playing for 124 00:08:37.600 --> 00:08:41.080 him, they played, they hated playing with him. They were not going 125 00:08:41.120 --> 00:08:45.120 to see the ball. No, and it's it comes back to the ball. 126 00:08:45.159 --> 00:08:48.159 Dominant guards and college that's not what that's about. No, you can't 127 00:08:48.159 --> 00:08:52.080 be You got to be the distributor. That's why we thought. That's what 128 00:08:52.200 --> 00:08:54.159 last year they had. Well, the curve before, right, they thought 129 00:08:54.159 --> 00:08:56.399 he'd be able to do it and he and he did to it. It 130 00:08:56.480 --> 00:09:01.879 was his It was his lack of accuracy and his shot selection. Yeah too, 131 00:09:03.039 --> 00:09:05.639 and kind of like all over the map. And that's why when he 132 00:09:05.000 --> 00:09:09.159 left, they said, Okay, no, Biggie Boswell. We got Boswell, 133 00:09:09.279 --> 00:09:11.559 the guy who played pretty well at the at the end of his career. 134 00:09:11.600 --> 00:09:15.279 First year. Oh, no problem, he's gonna be able to handle 135 00:09:15.320 --> 00:09:18.799 it. And then and then they went the same kind of issue. Well, 136 00:09:18.879 --> 00:09:22.480 let me ask you, do you have any skepticism and that that's gonna 137 00:09:22.480 --> 00:09:28.679 be Jayden Bradley next year? Oh, good question, good question. I 138 00:09:28.679 --> 00:09:31.320 don't think he lacks for confidence, so there's there won't be that. I 139 00:09:31.679 --> 00:09:35.440 still thinking that this is maybe the I'm the only one that in this town 140 00:09:35.440 --> 00:09:39.840 that thinks that he's dribbled dominant too. Yes, he goes downhill too much 141 00:09:39.240 --> 00:09:43.519 and he doesn't look at the court enough. Is that what is that you 142 00:09:43.600 --> 00:09:48.440 create to Probably he's not the point guard, but he's gonna have to be 143 00:09:48.440 --> 00:09:50.440 the point guard. He's probably going to have to be the point guard. 144 00:09:50.799 --> 00:09:54.039 Unless did you guys talk about the weird Caleb Love situation? Yeah, yeah, 145 00:09:54.080 --> 00:09:56.679 we talked about that yesterday that he's in or not in and yeah, 146 00:09:56.720 --> 00:10:01.639 it was weird, but nonetheless, the do we're still open I think right 147 00:10:01.759 --> 00:10:03.679 for him to come back. So I was again with that booster today and 148 00:10:03.720 --> 00:10:09.120 we talked about this and I asked him, do you want There's no wrong 149 00:10:09.159 --> 00:10:13.399 answer, yeah, do you want Caleb Love back? And they said, 150 00:10:13.200 --> 00:10:18.480 I'm not so sure. And if you're I'll ask you, yeah, do 151 00:10:18.519 --> 00:10:20.440 you want Caleb Love. We had this conversation a little bit ago, but 152 00:10:20.519 --> 00:10:26.559 I'm in the camp that I would want him back because because he's the reigning 153 00:10:26.600 --> 00:10:31.720 Pact twelve Player of the Year, and I think you know what he's capable 154 00:10:31.799 --> 00:10:35.679 of. I know what he's capable of, and especially in because Boswell's gone, 155 00:10:35.919 --> 00:10:41.840 Ballow's gone, I think not to say this season will look a little 156 00:10:41.879 --> 00:10:46.600 differently next year, but the players on the floor will. And that's why 157 00:10:46.639 --> 00:10:52.200 I'm excited that jayde Bradley's coming back. That's why I'm excited Kay Jesuis Lewis 158 00:10:52.240 --> 00:10:56.679 possibly is coming back because you have some guys that have been here, even 159 00:10:56.720 --> 00:11:00.320 if it's just for a year, Caleb, kJ and Jayden. They understand 160 00:11:00.679 --> 00:11:05.120 what Tommy wants and on the floor what needs to happen, and so That's 161 00:11:05.159 --> 00:11:09.279 why I think I think he could be. We talked about this the last 162 00:11:09.320 --> 00:11:11.159 time we talked about this. Of the you know, good and bad, 163 00:11:11.639 --> 00:11:16.080 Caleb Love is going to get his shots up where Cayleb Love is going to 164 00:11:16.080 --> 00:11:18.679 try to get his points. But I think if if he has to be 165 00:11:18.200 --> 00:11:22.440 that point guard next year, Yeah, you think he has that in him? 166 00:11:22.480 --> 00:11:24.320 Ca Yeah, do you think he has that in him? No? 167 00:11:24.320 --> 00:11:26.919 No, you are who you are and he's not that. He's not that 168 00:11:26.960 --> 00:11:28.799 because he's not. He's better at it. Giving up the ball at North 169 00:11:28.840 --> 00:11:31.440 Carolina he did not, and now he shared it better. I think he 170 00:11:31.480 --> 00:11:35.080 had like four assists a game or whatever. But he is what he is. 171 00:11:35.120 --> 00:11:39.000 He's the shooter. I mean, you've heard the scorpion and the frog, 172 00:11:39.080 --> 00:11:43.399 right They trying the scorpion of the frog analogy. The scorpion wants to 173 00:11:43.399 --> 00:11:46.720 get across the river. The frog says he'll take him. Halfway through, 174 00:11:46.960 --> 00:11:48.080 the scorpion bites the frog. This is why you do that? You want 175 00:11:48.120 --> 00:11:50.559 to go across. I'm the scorpion. What do you think I do? 176 00:11:50.840 --> 00:11:56.159 I bite people? Get So what Cayleb Love does? He shoots. Here's 177 00:11:56.200 --> 00:12:00.360 the thing. If you're Tommy Lloyd and he's already set him down. Oh 178 00:12:00.399 --> 00:12:03.679 this last year, Oh Caleb, I love you. I love the way 179 00:12:03.679 --> 00:12:05.840 you play. I know you're a good score. And he did it because 180 00:12:05.840 --> 00:12:09.919 he even kind of mentioned members I say, you need to shoot less, 181 00:12:09.360 --> 00:12:13.879 be more efficient. Look for you guys, you're kilb love you gonna listen. 182 00:12:16.240 --> 00:12:20.159 I mean that hesitation right there. It tells me, Well, genuinely 183 00:12:20.200 --> 00:12:22.679 depends because I think last year it was it could have been really easy for 184 00:12:22.799 --> 00:12:26.720 him to be like what depending on when this conversation happened of say, hey, 185 00:12:26.720 --> 00:12:31.480 coach, look what we've done so far with me. Yeah. Yeah, 186 00:12:31.519 --> 00:12:33.440 Like we were the number one team in the country. We're going to 187 00:12:33.440 --> 00:12:37.840 be a top three seed in the tournament. And in his head at the 188 00:12:37.879 --> 00:12:41.879 same time, it's he's probably thinking, well, I gotta have some good 189 00:12:41.879 --> 00:12:46.080 tape for the draft, right right, good point. And I'm not to 190 00:12:46.120 --> 00:12:48.360 say that I'm not sitting here saying that's exactly what he's thinking, but it's 191 00:12:48.360 --> 00:12:52.000 probably in the back of his head of like, if I can put together 192 00:12:52.039 --> 00:12:54.440 a good tape at a really high program school and I decide I want to 193 00:12:54.480 --> 00:12:58.080 go to the draft, that can only help me. Sure Okay, So 194 00:12:58.120 --> 00:13:00.639 I'm gonna go here with you because I've done this a long time. You 195 00:13:01.039 --> 00:13:03.159 know golf much more than I know golf. You see good players, and 196 00:13:03.200 --> 00:13:07.039 you see mediocre players, and you see great players. Right you know the 197 00:13:07.039 --> 00:13:09.360 good ones that are gonna make it to the next level because you see him, 198 00:13:09.440 --> 00:13:13.120 Sure you should. Okay, So Caleb, if he's not good enough 199 00:13:13.240 --> 00:13:16.759 right now to go to the league, no five minute tape is gonna get 200 00:13:16.840 --> 00:13:18.879 him there. Because if he goes to Combine and works his butt off and 201 00:13:20.360 --> 00:13:22.919 does really well, guess what they'll find that he's good enough right right another 202 00:13:24.000 --> 00:13:26.639 year here. Won't do that. Won't do that the only way that It's 203 00:13:26.679 --> 00:13:31.879 one of those cases where maybe after his Carolina title run would have been the 204 00:13:31.919 --> 00:13:35.360 best time for him to go to the draft, because at that point he 205 00:13:35.679 --> 00:13:39.679 really had lit the college basketball world on five, He had some presents, 206 00:13:39.759 --> 00:13:43.000 he had some actual presence and grant they should have won that national championship game 207 00:13:43.080 --> 00:13:48.360 against Kansas. But if that, if that wasn't the time, then I 208 00:13:48.360 --> 00:13:52.320 don't know what is. He's still who he was two years ago. He 209 00:13:52.320 --> 00:13:56.480 would honestly have to probably win a national championship or win Player of the year. 210 00:13:56.600 --> 00:13:58.519 So final answer is, yes, you take him, I would take 211 00:13:58.559 --> 00:14:01.600 him back, And there's no right or wrong answer. No, I just 212 00:14:01.639 --> 00:14:05.320 think that if you do take him back, he's got to fit into this 213 00:14:05.399 --> 00:14:07.320 mold of what I want. kJ Lewis is going to be a fantastic player. 214 00:14:07.440 --> 00:14:11.000 So where does he fit in there? What if he goes to the 215 00:14:11.080 --> 00:14:13.559 draft? Well he could, well, well he could. He's the he's 216 00:14:13.559 --> 00:14:16.519 the guy with the most upside, a lot of those. So, hey, 217 00:14:16.559 --> 00:14:18.879 we got to talk about who we have today because it's shit naked show. 218 00:14:20.000 --> 00:14:22.639 I was looking forward to this all day. I've been trying to get 219 00:14:22.279 --> 00:14:28.200 Tom Tunnecliff, or find Tom Tunnacliff. Finally found him through a couple of 220 00:14:28.200 --> 00:14:31.960 sources, and he's on the show today. I want a fantastic quarterback back 221 00:14:31.000 --> 00:14:35.080 in the day. 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Thanks great to have you on the line. 299 00:20:03.359 --> 00:20:06.759 You are an elusive quarterback. It took me a while to find you. 300 00:20:07.359 --> 00:20:11.079 I'm glad to have you on this show. First of all, a guy 301 00:20:11.240 --> 00:20:14.920 texted me earlier today. He wanted me to tell you this. It was 302 00:20:14.960 --> 00:20:19.640 interesting, and he says, be sure to tell Tom Tunnecliffe thanks for making 303 00:20:19.720 --> 00:20:26.359 my time at UVE versus ASU of thrill back in the early eighties. So 304 00:20:26.400 --> 00:20:30.880 I guess you had that impact on people. Yeah. Well, I'd like 305 00:20:30.920 --> 00:20:33.240 to think it was me, but it was the team as a whole, 306 00:20:33.480 --> 00:20:38.960 and certainly didn't play the game myself, but we just our teams back then. 307 00:20:40.960 --> 00:20:44.359 You know, we seem to have a character where we'd just rise to 308 00:20:44.400 --> 00:20:48.799 the moment, the bigger, the challenge. It seemed like the bit we 309 00:20:48.920 --> 00:20:53.440 played and a lot of those ASU games, you know, fell into that 310 00:20:53.559 --> 00:20:59.440 category and we came out on top. How was that good memory? How 311 00:20:59.559 --> 00:21:02.400 was it when you first got here? You did not play for Larry right, 312 00:21:02.440 --> 00:21:06.680 You played for Mason at the time. Now, I was recruited by 313 00:21:06.759 --> 00:21:11.880 Mason and then he got fired in the spring and they brought in Larry Smith, 314 00:21:11.920 --> 00:21:17.960 and that was the first year that I was there. I played under 315 00:21:18.039 --> 00:21:21.000 Larry Well. Okay, bad. I thought he was maybe a year or 316 00:21:21.000 --> 00:21:23.680 so. No of how was it playing for Larry? We've had his wife 317 00:21:25.079 --> 00:21:27.880 and maybe a daughter on the show. How was it playing for him? 318 00:21:29.400 --> 00:21:34.519 It was fantastic. It was a real blessing. I feel absolutely grateful for 319 00:21:34.720 --> 00:21:41.720 that opportunity. You know that when the coach that recruits you ends up not 320 00:21:41.839 --> 00:21:45.480 being there when you get there, usually that could be a problem. In 321 00:21:45.519 --> 00:21:51.319 my particular situation, I welcomed it because it meant that new coaching staff really 322 00:21:51.359 --> 00:21:56.519 didn't know anybody, and so they were going to have to get familiar with 323 00:21:56.599 --> 00:22:02.160 everyone. And I also really liked it because I was recruited kind of at 324 00:22:02.160 --> 00:22:07.799 the beer option type quarterback, That's what Mason was running as an offense at 325 00:22:07.799 --> 00:22:12.839 that time, And of course coach Smith went to more of a pro style 326 00:22:12.880 --> 00:22:18.319 office offense, which really was more suited to my skill set. I'm glad 327 00:22:18.359 --> 00:22:22.640 I didn't have to run the ball too much. Who was your I got 328 00:22:22.640 --> 00:22:26.000 here in eighty seven, so Jay's the historian of the group here. Who 329 00:22:26.119 --> 00:22:33.519 was your predecessor before you start to just started to play? Jim Crown was 330 00:22:33.799 --> 00:22:42.559 He wasn't on our team, but he preceded me under Mason and then you 331 00:22:42.599 --> 00:22:48.200 know, I played my true freshman year and it was we had a little 332 00:22:48.240 --> 00:22:52.839 bit of a battle for the first couple of games, and then the first 333 00:22:52.920 --> 00:22:57.079 start was against Notre Dame at Incucsan. Okay, okay, In fact, 334 00:22:57.119 --> 00:23:02.599 I had hope this Damelle Eric Thompson on I don't know, two three years 335 00:23:02.640 --> 00:23:07.839 ago he was one of your backups. No, I don't recall that name. 336 00:23:08.000 --> 00:23:12.079 Okay, okay, uh he had he has been a quarterback back and 337 00:23:12.119 --> 00:23:15.839 then too, maybe a little deep into the into the system there, okay 338 00:23:18.079 --> 00:23:21.359 uh. For you, how how are those memories? Because let me say 339 00:23:21.359 --> 00:23:23.039 this, I guess you've been to a basketball game or two. That's when 340 00:23:23.039 --> 00:23:26.279 I saw you on the screen. I said, hey, Thom's here. 341 00:23:26.319 --> 00:23:27.799 I got to find him, and then you were here for the spring game. 342 00:23:29.160 --> 00:23:33.519 How has it been kind of being a fan? It's spectacular. I 343 00:23:33.559 --> 00:23:38.400 couldn't be more thankful and excited about it. My daughter is going to be 344 00:23:38.440 --> 00:23:41.720 attending my oldest daughter is going to be attending U of A in the fall, 345 00:23:41.799 --> 00:23:45.799 and so we bought a house down in Tucson, and I plan on 346 00:23:45.880 --> 00:23:52.440 being there as much as possible. I joined the collective that is at nil 347 00:23:52.680 --> 00:23:56.440 program for the football team, and I'm committed to that in any other way 348 00:23:56.519 --> 00:24:00.960 that I can help the program or any of the players. It just feels 349 00:24:02.000 --> 00:24:07.119 good to be able to give back and it's warranted and I'm and I'm thankful 350 00:24:07.200 --> 00:24:11.759 to be in a position that I can do it. And I couldn't be 351 00:24:11.799 --> 00:24:17.279 more excited about Coach Brennan, the team. You know, Ricky Hunley and 352 00:24:17.400 --> 00:24:21.319 Chucks Ecil still being involved in the program, and those were guys from my 353 00:24:21.480 --> 00:24:26.440 era. Ricky was on my team and we played together. And so having 354 00:24:26.319 --> 00:24:33.839 guys like that the influence these young men and provide guidance, as well as 355 00:24:33.839 --> 00:24:40.599 the other great coaches that Coach Brennan brought in, including Coach Akena and Bobby 356 00:24:40.680 --> 00:24:45.440 Wade. And you know, he's got brand Pit Sanders in there helping with 357 00:24:45.480 --> 00:24:52.160 alumni and other matters and it's a fantastic mix. And couldn't be more excited. 358 00:24:52.559 --> 00:24:55.559 And the team is great, and you know, I'd be remiss if 359 00:24:55.559 --> 00:24:59.759 I didn't mention this. This is what I'm so impressed by, and I 360 00:24:59.759 --> 00:25:07.519 want to make a point of getting this out. What Tmac McMillan and Noah 361 00:25:07.599 --> 00:25:15.240 Fafida did by staying with that program should be celebrated and promoted. I think 362 00:25:15.279 --> 00:25:19.519 personally they should be promoted for the Heisman, but which would do nothing but 363 00:25:19.640 --> 00:25:29.160 bring attention and to the program. But what they did in the in the 364 00:25:29.680 --> 00:25:33.960 era of the NIL, where they could have went probably anywhere and made a 365 00:25:34.000 --> 00:25:41.640 ton of money, they chose loyalty to their to their teammates and that school 366 00:25:41.680 --> 00:25:45.680 and the program, even with the coach leading, who I know is chasing 367 00:25:45.759 --> 00:25:49.400 them as well, and for them to stay and commit to that chows the 368 00:25:49.480 --> 00:25:56.279 kind of character and commitment at the school is trying to build in that program, 369 00:25:56.279 --> 00:26:00.440 which goes even beyond the money they had to be celebrated, Yeah, 370 00:26:00.480 --> 00:26:04.160 no question. I know the fans love both of them because for exactly the 371 00:26:04.200 --> 00:26:08.559 reason you talk about, and they're pretty darn good. What do you make 372 00:26:08.640 --> 00:26:11.960 of the NIL? This is you were eighty three of your last year. 373 00:26:12.000 --> 00:26:17.559 What's that forty forty years ago? What do you make of this? It's 374 00:26:17.599 --> 00:26:21.759 in cotal insanity. I guess I'm jealous in a way because back when I 375 00:26:21.799 --> 00:26:25.480 was playing, if the coach gave you a T shirt n C two A 376 00:26:25.559 --> 00:26:27.160 would want to put you on probation. Right. In fact, we were 377 00:26:27.200 --> 00:26:32.960 on probation my senior year in nineteen eighty three, So think of this. 378 00:26:33.079 --> 00:26:40.599 We were on probation, couldn't have playing a bowl game or anything for infractions 379 00:26:40.680 --> 00:26:47.039 committed under Tony Mason, where on our team, not one player or one 380 00:26:47.160 --> 00:26:51.799 coach were a part of that. But yeah, the team is suffering this 381 00:26:52.000 --> 00:26:57.720 consequence. It was insane. Now it's the wild wild West. Anything goes, 382 00:26:59.440 --> 00:27:06.599 And I'm all for the kids making money and being compensated for what they're 383 00:27:06.640 --> 00:27:12.799 doing for the schools. I just don't think it's got the right bumpers are 384 00:27:14.000 --> 00:27:18.960 in place, so to speak, because it's a little bit insane the way 385 00:27:18.960 --> 00:27:25.920 it's set up, not much boundaries to it. But you know, if 386 00:27:25.920 --> 00:27:30.279 they could refine that, I think, you know, it could be a 387 00:27:30.279 --> 00:27:36.799 really great thing for the kids, for sure. But it's the moment, 388 00:27:36.839 --> 00:27:40.640 you know, I hesit. I was hesitant to jump into it and support 389 00:27:40.680 --> 00:27:45.799 it financially, but then the reality is if you don't, you're going to 390 00:27:45.920 --> 00:27:51.720 just be put at a disadvantage. And so even if you don't fully embrace 391 00:27:51.839 --> 00:27:56.759 the format, you got to get on board. So I encourage anybody, 392 00:27:56.920 --> 00:28:03.799 every u of a fan, every former player, to bite the bullet and 393 00:28:03.160 --> 00:28:10.480 contribute to the Arizona Collective, Desert Collective. Call me if you want to 394 00:28:10.519 --> 00:28:15.680 talk about it or know how to get involved and support this team and these 395 00:28:15.720 --> 00:28:18.319 players, because we got to do it to stay competitive, right, no 396 00:28:18.440 --> 00:28:22.519 question if you got to keep up with the Joneses, right because everyone else 397 00:28:22.559 --> 00:28:25.880 is doing it and doing it even better, even better. So do you. 398 00:28:26.440 --> 00:28:27.960 I'm sure you've been a fan all this time, since you're since you 399 00:28:29.160 --> 00:28:32.880 left. Now you're more visible because we see you. But how has that 400 00:28:33.000 --> 00:28:37.559 been following the program from from Larry to Toy to Stoops to Rodriguez tow. 401 00:28:40.119 --> 00:28:45.359 Yeah, it's it's it's kind of almost surreal being so removed from it after 402 00:28:47.839 --> 00:28:52.640 having made such an impact on my life and still to this day it impacts 403 00:28:52.720 --> 00:28:55.839 my life, and that's why I want to give back. But it was 404 00:28:56.519 --> 00:29:03.079 most of the time really enjoyable to me, and some of the coaches were 405 00:29:03.240 --> 00:29:11.119 spectacular him in particular. Some disappointments for sure, but usually those didn't stick 406 00:29:11.160 --> 00:29:18.119 around too long and made a great great moves going forward. Coach Brennan, 407 00:29:18.200 --> 00:29:22.400 I couldn't be more excited about. He's a He's a great person separate from 408 00:29:22.440 --> 00:29:26.279 just being a good football coach, and it's going to serve the university well 409 00:29:27.480 --> 00:29:36.200 and the new ad who I think is a real win for our for our 410 00:29:36.240 --> 00:29:38.000 school. Yeah, I'm sure you had some time to speak to her or 411 00:29:38.119 --> 00:29:45.960 meet her. No, I haven't yet. I'm trying to coordinate sometime. 412 00:29:47.200 --> 00:29:51.440 Actually, schedules have been a little tricky, and I'm over here in California, 413 00:29:51.519 --> 00:29:57.400 but I will I plan on it when i'm down there more and support 414 00:29:57.440 --> 00:30:00.960 her completely. So so let me talk about your career real quick. So 415 00:30:02.000 --> 00:30:06.359 it's been forty one years since you were here. You're still among the top 416 00:30:06.480 --> 00:30:12.279 three career passing got quarterbacks in the program, Nick Foles, will Tutama and 417 00:30:12.319 --> 00:30:17.119 then you anu right behind you. Is that surprising to you? In addition 418 00:30:17.160 --> 00:30:21.079 to your I guess forty six touchdowns because that's like in the top five too. 419 00:30:22.920 --> 00:30:26.559 It is a bit surprising. You know, we didn't run a pass 420 00:30:26.599 --> 00:30:32.200 happy offense back at all. You know, we'd be lucky to throw twenty 421 00:30:32.319 --> 00:30:40.359 twenty five passes a game, and the offenses have changed so dramatically. And 422 00:30:41.039 --> 00:30:45.559 so if the athletes these kids are should even call them kids young men, 423 00:30:45.960 --> 00:30:52.839 are unbelievable athletes. So that is pretty shocking. Noah Will should destroy all 424 00:30:52.880 --> 00:30:59.440 these records. He's excepterate from being a great athlete and competitor. He's just 425 00:31:00.119 --> 00:31:04.519 he's a winner. He's the guy who just has it winner tag attached to 426 00:31:04.599 --> 00:31:08.480 him. Meate binds away. He's a great competitor. I think he'll end 427 00:31:08.559 --> 00:31:14.240 up, you know, surpassing everything, especially throwing the guy like mcmillington. 428 00:31:15.039 --> 00:31:18.680 That's it got to be a DB's nightmare. I don't even know how you 429 00:31:18.759 --> 00:31:25.000 guard that right. Well, he's tough. So going back your biggest moments, 430 00:31:25.319 --> 00:31:27.359 you faced Notre Dame a couple of times, I think just maybe some 431 00:31:27.400 --> 00:31:33.480 of the big games. What were they? Well, we're very fortunate. 432 00:31:33.599 --> 00:31:37.039 So one of the big ones for me personally, I mean the team, 433 00:31:37.559 --> 00:31:42.519 but personally was we beat USC in the Coliseum when they were ranked number one 434 00:31:42.559 --> 00:31:48.680 in the nation, undefeated. Marcus Allen that year was their tailback won the 435 00:31:48.720 --> 00:31:53.400 Heisman Trophy and we were a twenty three and a half point underdog and we 436 00:31:53.440 --> 00:31:59.400 went in and beat him on their home field. That was super satisfying because 437 00:31:59.400 --> 00:32:07.039 I'm from that. And we went up to South End and played a Jerry 438 00:32:07.119 --> 00:32:10.519 Faust undefeated Notre Dame team. I think they were ranked in the top for 439 00:32:10.599 --> 00:32:14.559 sure, top ten. I want to say they were five or six, 440 00:32:15.759 --> 00:32:22.519 and we beat them in their home stadium and that was a spectacular memory. 441 00:32:22.960 --> 00:32:28.000 Also that what I really remember is how classy all their fans were towards us. 442 00:32:28.119 --> 00:32:31.920 But that was a great experience thanks to Max and Dejas and made that 443 00:32:32.160 --> 00:32:39.240 kick. At the end. Of course, beating ASU at home was spectacular. 444 00:32:39.400 --> 00:32:44.480 The year all they had to do was beat us and they would have 445 00:32:44.519 --> 00:32:49.079 been in the Rose Bowl and their fans came into our stadium, many of 446 00:32:49.119 --> 00:32:55.759 them carrying rose scented air freshener and were splaying it around in air fans. 447 00:32:55.839 --> 00:33:04.200 Yeah, that was your j That was yeah eighty two and they had the 448 00:33:04.279 --> 00:33:10.519 number one defense in the country, and so yeah, that win was was 449 00:33:10.680 --> 00:33:15.680 very satisfying. And then if UCLA and the last in my senior year, 450 00:33:15.880 --> 00:33:22.440 last home game Beatenham throwing the go ahead touchdown to Jay Dobbins, who's a 451 00:33:22.480 --> 00:33:30.759 wonderful football player but also a great person and contact with today, right right, 452 00:33:30.799 --> 00:33:32.359 all these guys, and we talk about that because Jay has been a 453 00:33:32.359 --> 00:33:37.519 freaking guest. Ricky Huntley, You guys, even though the team was pretty 454 00:33:37.519 --> 00:33:39.759 good or the program was good in the mid seventies under Jim Young. You 455 00:33:39.759 --> 00:33:45.720 guys were kind of like the lunch pale guys. Yeah. Yeah, well 456 00:33:45.759 --> 00:33:50.240 we just, like I say, you know, we were competitors and the 457 00:33:50.279 --> 00:33:53.880 bigger the challenge that the more we rose to it in the moment. And 458 00:33:54.359 --> 00:34:00.960 credit to the coaching staff for preparing us and having good game plans. Steve 459 00:34:00.000 --> 00:34:07.759 AxMan was my position coach and offensive coordinator, and he's a brilliant guy, 460 00:34:07.599 --> 00:34:13.639 and not only as a football coach and a football mind, but he knew 461 00:34:13.679 --> 00:34:17.719 how to use the talent that he was working with instead of trying to force 462 00:34:17.760 --> 00:34:22.719 something. And they did a great job. And you know, now we 463 00:34:22.719 --> 00:34:25.840 were also kind of a gambler's nightmare because there were some games we lost that 464 00:34:25.880 --> 00:34:30.719 we should have never lost. That's Arizona football. That's Arizona football to a 465 00:34:30.800 --> 00:34:34.280 team. Yeah, you know, you got to remind yourself. I do 466 00:34:34.519 --> 00:34:37.280 still to this day that. So, you know, you got a lot 467 00:34:37.280 --> 00:34:40.079 of nineteen twenty year old kids out there playing this game, even though they're 468 00:34:40.079 --> 00:34:44.960 spectacular athletes, and they have a lot of other things going on in their 469 00:34:44.960 --> 00:34:49.679 life right that can impact the game. Well, if there's one thing I've 470 00:34:49.719 --> 00:34:52.400 heard in my sports running business and now doing this, it's that emotion. 471 00:34:52.719 --> 00:34:59.599 Emotion of a player plays a huge factor. Girlfriend's, school, a lot 472 00:34:59.639 --> 00:35:04.079 of different things, and it's hard to gauge where they're at. Absolutely yep, 473 00:35:04.480 --> 00:35:07.440 on any given moment. I mean, it still happens to you know, 474 00:35:07.559 --> 00:35:12.280 as an adult. You know in that game is such a demanding game 475 00:35:13.360 --> 00:35:15.960 that if you're not if you're head not on straight and you're not approaching it 476 00:35:16.079 --> 00:35:21.079 correctly. I don't care what kind of athlete or athletic skills you have, 477 00:35:21.960 --> 00:35:24.719 you won't succeed. Yeah, you just won't. A couple of quick questions, 478 00:35:24.760 --> 00:35:28.679 again, this might be a dumb question, but I don't think you're 479 00:35:28.719 --> 00:35:30.840 not You're not a taller quarterback. You were a shorter quarterback, right, 480 00:35:31.800 --> 00:35:36.559 Yeah, I was listed at I mean I'm six feet tall, and so 481 00:35:37.639 --> 00:35:42.880 I was. I was considered short and I got a lot of a lot 482 00:35:42.880 --> 00:35:49.000 of grief for that. And I remember get an interviewed and asked about it, 483 00:35:49.840 --> 00:35:54.519 you know, and how that would relay to future playing opportunities and stuff. 484 00:35:54.559 --> 00:36:00.559 And I remember saying any coach that felt that I was too short to 485 00:36:00.639 --> 00:36:04.159 play, it was too dumb of a coach for me to want to play 486 00:36:04.159 --> 00:36:07.480 for Yeah, right, Well, then you see Noah who could be five 487 00:36:07.599 --> 00:36:10.840 ten maybe on a good day. Yeah. I talked to him briefly during 488 00:36:10.960 --> 00:36:17.000 spring practice and that's correct. But you know, he plays like he's six 489 00:36:17.119 --> 00:36:21.320 ' five. I mean, he's just a winner. And that's that's the 490 00:36:21.360 --> 00:36:25.480 difference in the in the football world, is it doesn't always come down to 491 00:36:25.639 --> 00:36:30.760 just a taller or faster athlete. It's football instinct and just you know, 492 00:36:31.119 --> 00:36:35.840 the inmate ability to lead and win. Right, right, final question too, 493 00:36:35.960 --> 00:36:37.760 So you came here for the spring. How was it getting to see 494 00:36:37.760 --> 00:36:40.239 some of the guys, you know, your former teammates Ricky and some of 495 00:36:40.280 --> 00:36:49.079 those guys. It's spectacular. It's just you know, it's inspiring, it's 496 00:36:49.119 --> 00:36:54.639 really satisfying. It's it's surprising, you know that we still kind of are 497 00:36:54.840 --> 00:37:00.360 stay connected after all these years for whatever it is. But you know, 498 00:37:00.679 --> 00:37:06.920 at the best I can liken it too, is maybe you know, guys 499 00:37:06.960 --> 00:37:08.639 that are in the war and make friends. You know, when you're in 500 00:37:08.719 --> 00:37:14.360 the foxhol fighting all the time, you just create bonds that can never be 501 00:37:14.440 --> 00:37:19.559 broken. And some of that is how it feels seeing the guys, and 502 00:37:20.679 --> 00:37:22.480 it's it's wonderful. I'm going to do as much of it as they can. 503 00:37:22.880 --> 00:37:28.000 And now you know how to read me. Yes, call me or 504 00:37:29.199 --> 00:37:32.440 reach out anytime. I can do anything to help you and your program and 505 00:37:32.599 --> 00:37:37.079 anyone else down there. I'm all in for Arizonay, well, next time 506 00:37:37.119 --> 00:37:39.840 you're in town in the fall with your daughter, let us know. That'll 507 00:37:39.880 --> 00:37:44.840 be great. I will for curious. Thank you, Tom, I appreciate 508 00:37:44.880 --> 00:37:47.519 your time. Good to talk to you, you too, Steve bear Down, 509 00:37:47.880 --> 00:37:52.679 Take care Tom, Tom Tonercliffe. Which was great. I've been trying 510 00:37:52.719 --> 00:37:54.960 to reach out for two years. Let's take a break because we're really late, 511 00:37:54.960 --> 00:37:59.000 and then we'll talk more about it. If you're an Arizona men's basketball 512 00:37:59.039 --> 00:38:01.320 fan, you know it's been successful for nearly forty years. Now. Take 513 00:38:01.320 --> 00:38:05.280 a look back at the Loudolsen era. In my new book, Lessons from 514 00:38:05.360 --> 00:38:07.880 Loot. It was a labor of love through the eyes of twenty five former 515 00:38:07.920 --> 00:38:10.480 players, coaches, and friends to give insight to the coach and the man 516 00:38:10.519 --> 00:38:15.320 who led them, competed against them, and inspired them twenty five chapters for 517 00:38:15.360 --> 00:38:19.760 his twenty five years as Arizona's beloved coach. Lessons from Loot is an insight 518 00:38:19.800 --> 00:38:23.159 to how he built the program into a national powerhouse. Want one, Email 519 00:38:23.239 --> 00:38:29.119 me at Steve dot RIVERA ninety five at gmail dot com. 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That's the Centurions dot Com breaking down the 545 00:40:30.159 --> 00:40:36.519 hall the exes at OHS It's Steve Rivera and Jagin Salves. This is I 546 00:40:36.719 --> 00:40:40.480 on the ball on Fox Sports fourteenth fifty. Hey, welcome back to my 547 00:40:40.480 --> 00:40:44.320 I in the ball hero Fox Sports fourteen fifty. I'm Steve, You're Sammy. 548 00:40:44.639 --> 00:40:46.079 Got twelve minutes if you guys want to give us a quick quick call 549 00:40:46.360 --> 00:40:51.000 five two oh four one six seventy four forty. So if you had a 550 00:40:51.079 --> 00:40:53.960 job like this in future life, but you you're gonna have a great job 551 00:40:53.960 --> 00:40:57.760 here in a couple of weeks. Who would you want to talk to? 552 00:40:58.440 --> 00:41:02.239 Uh, I'm gonna give you restruction, former you of a guy, former 553 00:41:02.360 --> 00:41:09.880 U of a guy. H take your time. It's a really good question. 554 00:41:17.239 --> 00:41:20.840 I think I think talking to t J. McConnell would be that's a 555 00:41:20.840 --> 00:41:24.079 good one. Would be great because he played in and you were here when 556 00:41:24.079 --> 00:41:29.559 he wasn't here, and I grew up resenting you of a basketball I was 557 00:41:29.599 --> 00:41:35.039 a big a s U fan. My dad went there and I watched James 558 00:41:35.079 --> 00:41:37.400 Harden at a s U and I knew who t J. McConnell was a 559 00:41:37.440 --> 00:41:40.639 little bit. He was like that Aaron Kraft type. That's what I was 560 00:41:40.679 --> 00:41:46.880 like, reflected or compared him to, and probably not even as good as 561 00:41:45.719 --> 00:41:52.320 a probably not because collegiately right even as a player. And then he turns 562 00:41:52.320 --> 00:41:57.639 into this guy, and so I think I think it'd be really interesting to 563 00:41:58.599 --> 00:42:05.599 pick his brain about a the the dynamic of Sean and that team, and 564 00:42:05.719 --> 00:42:08.039 because he played with he played with Aaron Gordon, right, yeah, TJ. 565 00:42:08.360 --> 00:42:10.840 Yeah, because that team, that team was awesome. It it's been 566 00:42:10.880 --> 00:42:14.920 one of the best ones ever. And I think it'd be really interesting to 567 00:42:15.199 --> 00:42:20.360 get his opinion on what the atmosphere was that surrounded that team and kind of 568 00:42:20.400 --> 00:42:23.599 listened to it and compare it to the teams I've seen here the last five 569 00:42:23.639 --> 00:42:27.840 years. Yeah, we've had some really great teams. We've been number one 570 00:42:27.880 --> 00:42:30.679 in the country. But I don't think, at least if my memory serves 571 00:42:30.719 --> 00:42:36.280 me right, there probably hasn't been that type of buzz around the team. 572 00:42:36.400 --> 00:42:38.599 No. In fact, that that's that was probably Sewn's not Powerty. It 573 00:42:38.679 --> 00:42:43.480 is Shawn's best teams in that two years that he was able to play. 574 00:42:43.719 --> 00:42:45.400 In fact, in fact, when I was talking to Loot in twenty fourteen, 575 00:42:45.440 --> 00:42:49.360 I think it was when TJ was sitting out and we kind of didn't 576 00:42:49.360 --> 00:42:52.400 know much about TJ. He he told me a couple of times he's the 577 00:42:52.400 --> 00:42:54.320 best player is not even playing on the court. And this is before he 578 00:42:54.360 --> 00:42:58.400 started. I said, who could that be? Because they're loaded, and 579 00:42:58.519 --> 00:43:00.800 he says, that guard the guard that McConnell, and I think, you 580 00:43:00.920 --> 00:43:06.159 really And then he comes out and you see him play methodical like your point 581 00:43:06.199 --> 00:43:08.760 guards that we talked about, right, that these guys aren't. He's that 582 00:43:08.840 --> 00:43:13.400 guy. Yeah, shoots minimally, he takes a good shot, but makes 583 00:43:13.440 --> 00:43:16.760 everybody better. And that's that's what you see with him on the Pacers now 584 00:43:16.840 --> 00:43:21.559 or whatever team he's played before. It's like he's never been a guy that's 585 00:43:21.599 --> 00:43:25.000 gonna go out and average fifteen plus or a ton of minutes. And then 586 00:43:25.159 --> 00:43:29.719 and then he does, and then he can. Yeah, And I think 587 00:43:29.800 --> 00:43:32.440 he's just a guy because I grew up playing and loving the sport of basketball, 588 00:43:32.480 --> 00:43:36.480 and I was a smaller point guard as well, So he's kind of 589 00:43:36.480 --> 00:43:42.599 picking his brain both about the game of basketball, both collegiately in in the 590 00:43:42.679 --> 00:43:45.639 NBA. I think because he doesn't have as long as a career in the 591 00:43:45.719 --> 00:43:50.519 NBA. Yeah, just move the phone down so I can see the light. 592 00:43:50.599 --> 00:43:54.360 Oh okay, he doesn't have as long as a career in the NBA 593 00:43:54.599 --> 00:44:00.280 that he's had without doing something extremely well. Being a great teammate and so 594 00:44:00.760 --> 00:44:04.440 and on the flip side, I think another person that would be really really 595 00:44:04.519 --> 00:44:07.960 fun to talk to, just from a content perspective would be Gilbert Arenas. 596 00:44:07.079 --> 00:44:14.119 Oh God, keep your hand on the and the on the button with yeah. 597 00:44:14.159 --> 00:44:17.800 But because he he probably had a wildly different experience, oh, no 598 00:44:17.880 --> 00:44:22.119 question than TJ. I covered him day to day. I covered that's what 599 00:44:22.360 --> 00:44:24.360 that was. The era of the in my time is I think the best 600 00:44:24.360 --> 00:44:29.400 time, the best team to ever play at Arizona with Gilbert and Jason and 601 00:44:29.519 --> 00:44:35.400 Luke and Richard and and and no, no, Channing wasn't here. Uh 602 00:44:35.440 --> 00:44:39.079 it was now You're gonna make me Michael Wright. Uh, those guys, 603 00:44:39.079 --> 00:44:44.679 those Fort Richard Richard uh and oh man, I just had him on the 604 00:44:44.679 --> 00:44:47.519 show, good friend, the seven foot one guy from wake Forest. Why 605 00:44:47.519 --> 00:44:51.480 am I spacing this name out on pulling a jay? But well, it'll 606 00:44:51.480 --> 00:44:54.519 come to it. So the best team I think they lost the Duke Gilbert 607 00:44:54.559 --> 00:45:00.480 got hurt in the finals, Luke had hurt his hand, so but would 608 00:45:00.480 --> 00:45:02.840 be fun. The reason I ask is Tom Tonacliff was one of the guys 609 00:45:02.840 --> 00:45:07.960 I've always wanted to go really and I probably smashed this interview. You know, 610 00:45:07.000 --> 00:45:10.000 didn't do a good job with it, but he he uh, just 611 00:45:10.039 --> 00:45:14.679 because of who he was back in the day. He was like he was 612 00:45:14.719 --> 00:45:17.679 like the dude at quarterback. He did all these things undersized for a six 613 00:45:17.719 --> 00:45:22.880 footer, okay, but but helped them win and kind of establish the program. 614 00:45:22.920 --> 00:45:27.400 And see, I don't like you have a football. Even in my 615 00:45:27.599 --> 00:45:30.840 years here, I've enjoyed watching it, I enjoy going to the games, 616 00:45:30.880 --> 00:45:34.199 and the last couple of years the team's been exciting, but it's never been 617 00:45:34.920 --> 00:45:37.559 something. I've always loved college basketball way more than I've loved college football. 618 00:45:38.039 --> 00:45:44.679 But I do think in fifteen twenty years, if if this next team, 619 00:45:44.800 --> 00:45:47.440 this next year can again go back to a bowl or have a really good 620 00:45:47.440 --> 00:45:53.039 season like Fafita and Timak are gonna be one two good punches. Yeah, 621 00:45:53.079 --> 00:45:57.519 a guy that in twenty years, maybe someone else is sitting here really wanting 622 00:45:57.559 --> 00:46:00.400 to get them on the type thing, because I do think they can be 623 00:46:00.440 --> 00:46:02.480 that good next year. So let me ask you, how how did your 624 00:46:02.519 --> 00:46:07.000 dad take you wanted to be at an Azult. Well, so my older 625 00:46:07.039 --> 00:46:10.679 sister went here, I'm here and now my brother is a junior here. 626 00:46:10.760 --> 00:46:16.039 So after my sister. After he started writing tuition checks, he just gave 627 00:46:16.159 --> 00:46:22.440 up. So but nooo, how did this happen? It was It was 628 00:46:22.440 --> 00:46:25.960 one of those things where and and and you wanted to be a journal you 629 00:46:27.000 --> 00:46:30.360 want to be so I definitely could have gone to the Froho. It was 630 00:46:30.400 --> 00:46:36.840 more kind of I really wanted to get away from home just for hope, 631 00:46:36.880 --> 00:46:38.320 you're not listening, yeah, mom and dad, if you're no, they're 632 00:46:38.360 --> 00:46:42.119 in My mom and dad are in Rome right now, so they're not listening. 633 00:46:42.440 --> 00:46:45.840 But yeah, right, So I wanted to get away from home. 634 00:46:45.639 --> 00:46:51.840 And I, like my sister, like my brother, we all just how 635 00:46:51.840 --> 00:46:57.159 tough was that place? Great family, but nonetheless a su was so big 636 00:46:57.599 --> 00:47:00.960 it was here, especially when it came to journalism. I felt that I 637 00:47:01.000 --> 00:47:05.360 could be a big fish in a small pond as opposed to and I know 638 00:47:05.360 --> 00:47:07.960 the program is great there, but it probably would have taken a little bit 639 00:47:08.039 --> 00:47:12.519 longer for me to gain a lot of experience there. And I was able 640 00:47:12.559 --> 00:47:15.639 to do that there. But my parents, they are they love that we 641 00:47:15.679 --> 00:47:17.800 are down here. They like to come visit and the other so it benefited 642 00:47:17.800 --> 00:47:21.480 them too. The benefited them because did you guys run the house they probably 643 00:47:21.519 --> 00:47:23.519 have the same reactions. Get the gas, honestly, get We were tired 644 00:47:23.559 --> 00:47:27.960 of you guys for real. So that's that's how that happened. Like I 645 00:47:28.000 --> 00:47:30.679 said, once you're cutting tuition checks, you don't really care where they are, 646 00:47:30.840 --> 00:47:34.719 right right, right right, because they're checks exactly, they're checks. 647 00:47:34.760 --> 00:47:37.719 Yeah, okay, No, that's interesting. I'd never asked you that before. 648 00:47:37.119 --> 00:47:39.599 Okay, and now you now we'll talk more about your life. But 649 00:47:39.880 --> 00:47:44.920 you've got a good job now with the Diamonbacks. Yeah, going starting May 650 00:47:45.000 --> 00:47:51.599 sixteenth, working in the media and content space for their zone Diamondbacks, which 651 00:47:51.800 --> 00:47:54.039 made my breaking news a little bit. But you know, the team went 652 00:47:54.079 --> 00:47:58.920 to the World Series last year. I grew up a huge Diamondback fan, 653 00:47:59.480 --> 00:48:04.320 and it's one of those things where it's a season long job and so hopefully 654 00:48:04.360 --> 00:48:06.960 you try and make a good enough impression to where they want to keep you 655 00:48:07.000 --> 00:48:10.519 around. Right, But they be living at home living with my brother, 656 00:48:10.559 --> 00:48:15.280 which would be which would be funny. But I'm excited because this team is 657 00:48:15.320 --> 00:48:19.360 one of the again still the one of the younger teams in the MLB. 658 00:48:20.199 --> 00:48:22.559 I'm twenty four. A lot of these guys are right around the same age 659 00:48:22.559 --> 00:48:28.119 as I am, and so hopefully being able in the content space to kind 660 00:48:28.119 --> 00:48:34.639 of be creative with kind of the stuff we make with them, and they're 661 00:48:34.719 --> 00:48:37.639 fun. Team needs to get better to them, he needs to get healthy. 662 00:48:37.679 --> 00:48:39.800 They're they're not playing like they should or I guess because of the health, 663 00:48:39.840 --> 00:48:43.840 right, the team needs to get healthy. We won last night and 664 00:48:44.360 --> 00:48:46.920 extras beat the Doyers, So yeah, he was supposed to go tonight. 665 00:48:46.920 --> 00:48:50.719 He kept the hell ja was that? Was that? The behiveh game? 666 00:48:50.800 --> 00:48:52.800 Behive game? Okay, so was it delay like ninety minutes? Yeah, 667 00:48:52.840 --> 00:48:55.079 it was kind of like in case you missed it, there was like this 668 00:48:57.400 --> 00:49:00.000 how does that happen? I really don't know. I think what happens is 669 00:49:00.320 --> 00:49:06.320 during the day, the roof stays open, and so this huge like colony 670 00:49:06.360 --> 00:49:09.679 of bees or whatever just decided to the queen came out. The queen came 671 00:49:09.719 --> 00:49:15.519 out and like put her her markings on like the net right behind home plate. 672 00:49:15.559 --> 00:49:19.280 And if you've seen pictures on it on like social media, Twitter or 673 00:49:19.599 --> 00:49:22.320 x now or Instagram, it was like this huge, huge thing. Right, 674 00:49:22.559 --> 00:49:29.039 we had to call a a what are they a bee keeper and he 675 00:49:29.079 --> 00:49:30.599 had to come in and they raised him up. Did it, and then 676 00:49:30.599 --> 00:49:35.440 they actually like let him throughout the first pitch, which was actually really really 677 00:49:35.480 --> 00:49:37.679 funny. So it was like a ninety minute delay, right, and then 678 00:49:38.559 --> 00:49:40.519 his suit too, Yeah, you had to get a suit, all this 679 00:49:40.559 --> 00:49:44.760 stuff. They interviewed him after the game. He was like, yeah, 680 00:49:44.800 --> 00:49:47.599 I was at my son's litle league game and I got a call and they 681 00:49:47.599 --> 00:49:51.239 were like, can you come do this? And he's yeah, sure, 682 00:49:51.239 --> 00:49:53.559 I'll be down there. Like that's just crazy minutes. Yeah, he took 683 00:49:53.639 --> 00:49:57.519 him a while to get there, and then he did it, and then 684 00:49:57.559 --> 00:49:59.960 throughout the first pitch, and then on top of that and when an next 685 00:50:00.079 --> 00:50:01.920 your inning and Christian Walker hit a walk off home run. Oh okay, 686 00:50:01.920 --> 00:50:05.719 okay, because I gave up about the six that were up two to one. 687 00:50:05.920 --> 00:50:08.480 I think we were down two to one, and then we tied it 688 00:50:08.599 --> 00:50:14.079 and then went to extras and then bottom of the tent for Christian Walker walk 689 00:50:14.119 --> 00:50:16.800 off home run. Maybe in maybe in like three weeks when the Diamondbacks go 690 00:50:16.840 --> 00:50:21.119 on, like it'll be the Bee it'll be the b game where you can 691 00:50:21.480 --> 00:50:23.119 yeah, well, yeah, what game did it? Well, not not 692 00:50:23.239 --> 00:50:27.039 inside, but it was outside with the be guy and he just kind of 693 00:50:27.079 --> 00:50:32.400 vacuumed all the vacuumed it all off, and it was I saw the notification 694 00:50:32.480 --> 00:50:37.840 on Twitter and it was like the Diamondbacks game has been delayed because of bees. 695 00:50:37.920 --> 00:50:42.519 And I was I was like, what this doesn't this doesn't happen. 696 00:50:42.719 --> 00:50:45.760 Sure sure that Like every once in a while there'll be like this huge swarm 697 00:50:45.800 --> 00:50:49.800 like out on the outfielder whatever in any baseball game. It's kind of weird. 698 00:50:49.800 --> 00:50:53.800 They stop it for like five minutes, but not a behive right because 699 00:50:53.800 --> 00:50:58.440 it was right above the stats, the right behind home play right and kind 700 00:50:58.440 --> 00:51:00.199 of yeah, and then with the crowd underneath the crowd kind of there. 701 00:51:00.480 --> 00:51:04.639 I had some friends that were there and they said they kind of had to 702 00:51:04.679 --> 00:51:07.320 move just to you don't want to get stun stun by a bunch of knees, 703 00:51:08.159 --> 00:51:12.440 so right, the b game. But yeah, So I'll be working 704 00:51:12.440 --> 00:51:16.719 for the Snakes come May sixteenth, and good for you. Then we'll see 705 00:51:16.719 --> 00:51:20.480 what's see what's for you going on after that? One of these days you're 706 00:51:20.559 --> 00:51:23.559 the president of some company and you'll take me with. You'll be seventy years 707 00:51:23.599 --> 00:51:30.320 old, You need a job, need some tickets? Yeah, Well that's 708 00:51:30.360 --> 00:51:32.199 definitely I'm going next week to the game, and I called my boy, 709 00:51:32.239 --> 00:51:35.800 you gotta be tickets, and he said, yeah, go, yeah, 710 00:51:35.840 --> 00:51:38.119 you'll be tickets, probably in August when you've established yourself. Sure. I 711 00:51:38.119 --> 00:51:42.679 hope I get some. We'll see. No, my brother and my sister 712 00:51:42.679 --> 00:51:45.000 are using I'm sorry. Yeah. Hey, good first hour. Good to 713 00:51:45.079 --> 00:51:49.920 kind of go by memory Lane with Tom and and you will have some breaking 714 00:51:49.960 --> 00:51:52.320 news, right yeah, maybe even more curse stuff. And then we have 715 00:51:52.559 --> 00:51:54.320 Vincent Smith as our next guest.