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Sword and Scale contains adult themes and
violence, and is not intended for all

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audiences. Listener discretion is advised.
I didn't want another one to die in

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the house. And why is that? Because houses are nasty after somebody's died

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in it. Welcome. This is
season ten, episode two hundred and fifty

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one of Sword and Scale, a
show that reveals that the worst monsters are

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real. Well, most of you
know that we have an app and that

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we've been working on updating it now
for quite a while, almost two years

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unfortunately, but it will be ready
in twenty twenty four, early twenty twenty

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four January, in fact, so
we're working towards that. We have a

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bunch of other surprises coming in January. You will not be disappointed, guys,

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see you soon. Family is not
an important thing, it's everything.

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Michael J. Fox said that,
and many of you listening right now would

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probably agree that your family is indeed
everything. For those of you that have

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actually created a family of your own, you probably also agree that your everything

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didn't come easy. When it comes
to marriage, kids, and everything that

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goes along with that, well,
it can be a lot to handle.

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It requires serious dedication and a lot
of sacrifices to make it all work.

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If you have created, maintained,
and continue to maintain a happy, functioning

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family, you deserve a lot of
credit. It's hard work, as you

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know, not everyone has what it
takes to do that. Oftentimes just fail.

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Oftentimes families fail. One common problem, it seems, is that many

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people start off thinking they want the
typical spouse and children lifestyle, but after

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they get it, and maybe after
they experience it for a few years,

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they start to realize it's just not
for them. Unfortunately, after someone creates

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a family, they are kind of
locked into it, kind of permanently.

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Sure, anyone could get a divorce
and abandon their kids, but societal,

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legal, financial, and even religious
pressures can make it seem impossible. When

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this happens, it can spell disaster. Sometimes the pressure of an unwonted and

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seemingly inescapable life can lead someone to
do something truly horrific. We've seen this

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before with the likes of Chris wat
and Casey Anthony, but there are lesser

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known cases where someone has made the
terrible and selfish choice to end their family

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in order to obtain personal freedom.
Ultimately, they decided that the life they

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truly want supersedes the lives of their
spouse and their kin. June ninth,

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twenty thirteen, was a Sunday.
That morning, a middle aged mom in

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Missouri woke up and did what she
would normally do on a Sunday. She

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took her kids to church, but
she wasn't able to bring along all of

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her children because her oldest daughter wasn't
feeling well. And then you woke up

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Sunday morning morning, she was asleep, Okay, then what happened? Me

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and the other girls went to church, and we left her sleeping, and

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then I came home and she was
still sleeping. And then maybe a couple

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hours later, I went to check
on her, and we just couldn't get

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her to respond or answer or anything. Forty nine year old Diane Stoudi returned

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home from church and discovered something that
most people would consider to be a worst

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nightmare situation for any mother. Her
twenty six year old daughter, Sarah was

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sick in bed and completely unresponsive.
Thankfully, though Sarah was still breathing,

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so Diane and one of her other
daughters picked Sarah up, put her in

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the family car, and rushed her
to the hospital. Strangely, when doctors

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examined Sarah, they couldn't figure out
what had caused her to become so ill.

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This ultimately led to the local police
getting involved. The lead investigator assigned

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the case was Detective Mcamis. Diane
Stoudy as a wife and mother of four

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children. She was the breadwinner of
the family. She worked handling insurance ADJUSMA

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claims for a medical field. She
was heavily involved in church. She was

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active in in choir and orchestra and
spent a lot of time at church during

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her downtime. And from what I
understand you, you're in the medical field.

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You're a nurse, okay, but
I'm a cardiology nurse. I know

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hers. Yeah. Have you always
been like in the claims business like you

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are now? Or were you ever
like in hospital? Okay? How long?

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How long ago was that? Gosh? Fifteen years ago? Okay?

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Which hospital did you work in?
Gosh? Saint John's Cox. I worked

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up in Kansas City. And what
company do you work for now? Okay?

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And you've worked for them for twelve
years? Very successful? Okay.

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Diane and her children lived in Springfield, Missouri, a serene college city that

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is mostly known for being the headquarters
for the sporting goods retailer Basspro. Others

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may know of Springfield because of its
proximity to Branson, Missouri, which is

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a popular tourist destination for a variety
of reasons. The Price Is Right was

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filmed there, so was The Beverly
Hillbillies if you remember that. And who

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can forget Yakov Smirnoff and his weird
little theme park performance theater thing. He

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was a personality during the eighties and
achieved a Moniker of success, But I

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digress. As a successful nurse and
health insurance claims person, Diane Stoudy was

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able to support her children, all
of whom remained living with Diane well into

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adulthood. As a whole, this
Doudi family wasn't known for being particularly social,

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but they were considered to be especially
devout churchgoers. What church do you

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go to? Lutheran? Is it
here in town? Okay? Are you

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pretty active in church? Are you? I'm their organist? Oh? Okay?

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Wow? How long have you been
doing that? Oh? Gosh,

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thirty plus years? What? As
the longtime church organist, Diane was well

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respected inside the halls of her preferred
place of worship. Redeemer Lutheran, and

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when Diane was there, she often
had her children with her. But on

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June ninth, twenty thirteen, Diane's
oldest daughter, Sarah, didn't make it

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to church. She was apparently very
sick, and her illness ultimately landed Sarah

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in a hospital bed. Sarah Saudi
had just graduated with a degree in France

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from Missouri State University, and she
had not not gotten the job yet,

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so she was just for the most
part, she was staying at home and

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not doing a whole lot after college. Does she work anywhere? No?

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No, She's been supposedly trying to
find a job, but I don't think

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she's been trying that hard. What
are Sarah's friends like She She really doesn't

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go out much, doesn't have many
friends. Like the rest of the family,

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Sarah usually kept to herself, and
aside from deflecting her mom's encouragement to

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find a job, she spent most
of her time online. Like many twenty

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four year olds, Sarah loved her
social media and watching YouTube videos. But

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on one particular Sunday afternoon, Sarah's
lifestyle had seemingly come to an abrupt and

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unexpected end when her mom found Sarah
in bed completely unresponsive. She is she

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still unresponsive at that point? Pretty
much? Yeah, I mean we literally

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had to Rachel and I had to
carry her. We carried her to the

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car. Okay, And what did
they say at the hospital? Basically she

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was as sick as sick could get, but no idea what it was.

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We had no clue. When Sarah
was admitted to the hospital, the doctors

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and nurses determined that Sarah's kidneys were
shutting down, many of her internal organs

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were failing, and her brain was
hemorrhaging blood. Diane was informed that this

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wasn't a case of if Sarah was
going to die, it was a matter

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of when, but nobody could tell
Diane or the police exactly what had caused

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this to happen. When Sarah was
in the hospital, I went and I

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spoke with the medical staff that was
treating her, Nurses, doctors, and

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everybody was just they were befuddled.
They did not know what was going on.

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They had performed numerous tests on Sarah
and everything was coming back negative.

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As the police continued investigating Sarah's bizarre
and unexplainable illness, they soon learned that

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this wasn't the first time. The
Stouty family had suffered an unexpected tragedy.

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Are you married? I'm widowed when
my husband died last year of a heart

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Oh? Really? How old was
he? Sixty one? Also he was

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young. He had a lot of
medical issues. Yeah, what kind of

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stuff did he have? Oh?
He had liver problems, he was diabetic.

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He wouldn't quit smoking. Mark and
Diane Stoudy met at Saint John's College

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in Kansas and quickly became longtime sweethearts. They eventually got mayor, moved into

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a modest sized home in Springfield,
and had four children, but sadly,

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at just sixty one years old,
Matt Stoudey unexpectedly dropped dead. Mark study

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primarily was a stay at home father. Diane, his wife, was the

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breadwinner of the family and Mark.
Mark took care of the kids. Mark

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was in a band. He wasn't
making a lot of money doing that,

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but that's what that's what he did
for a little bit of money on the

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side and to keep himself busy.
That he was the lead singer in a

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band. Like his wife, Mark
was a musician, though his genre of

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music was much different than Diane's church
hymns Mark was the lead singer of a

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rock band, Messing with Destiny,
and according to his bandmates, Mark was

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an especially jovial guy who loved life
and loved his family. Throughout its existence,

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Mark's band didn't find any mainstream success, but in the months leading up

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to his death, Messing with Destiny
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so much so that it seemed like
the band was about to have a

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breakout year. In fact, on
the weekend before Mark died, he and

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his bandmates were rehearsing in Branson,
Missouri and preparing to perform at an especially

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large venue alongside the Aretha Franklin impersonators
I Get Married to the Corporation Bombon in

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the Nation. Sadly, Mark was
never able to perform in that show.

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On April eighth, twenty twelve,
Mark died at home and his body was

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discovered by his wife, Diane,
who properly called nine one one. Diane

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was eventually informed that Mark had died
of natural causes. Did they do any

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kind of autopsy on Mark? No, they didn't. Yeah, I can,

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I can remember them, you know. They they tried CPR on him,

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and they told me that his lungs
were just black from the smoke.

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You know, he was pretty overweight, and they didn't even they just said,

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it is a heart attack for sure, and it's like, okay,

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where's he buried? Cremated? Okay. After Mark was cremated, his ashes

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were scattered at a nearby lake,
So obviously any further examination to more narrowly

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determine his cause of death was improbable, But the police investigation into Sarah Stoudy's

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illness did continue, and during that
investigation, the detectives also spoke to one

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of Mark and Diane's other daughters,
twenty two year old Rachel Stoudy. Rachel

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Stoudy was kind of the prized child
of the study family. She was very

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successful, very intelligent. She was
going to the school at Missouri State University.

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She too was very very active and
involved in church with singing in choir,

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and she was also a very artistic
young person. And speaking with Rachel,

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detectives were able to gain a little
more insight into the Stouty family dynamics

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and more specifically, the kind of
relationship that Mark and Diane had. What

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was mom and dad relationship like they
would filettle, did they fight a little

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bit more than like any other married
couple or really so most of the arguments

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over money like everybody else. Now, I know that your father passed.

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When was it when he passed away? Sometime like last April, last April

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last year. Very sudden, just
very sudden, deaf as far as the

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dad goes, A pretty good dad
to you and everybody, or what's your

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opinion? He was nice with you
guys, what you wanted to do.

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It's always kind of been out of
a job and pretty much, I mean

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you would get frustrated with whatever job
he was in, like screw this before

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they even came. Okay, just
not his thing. No, he was

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trying to do the band betting,
I guess, and yeah, make it

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big, like any other person that
has a van. Okay. At this

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point, police had established that Mark
Stoudy had unexpectedly died in April of twenty

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twelve, and just over a year
later, Sarah Stoudy had unexpectedly become very

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ill and was not expected to survive. The police also learned that something equally

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as tragic had happened between the time
of Mark's death and Sarah's illness. Do

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you have a son as well?
No? Not anymore. He died.

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He died, and he had a
seizure disorder. When did he die?

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That was last fall. How old
was he? He was twenty six.

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He'd had several strokes, so was
his kind of an unexpected or it wasn't

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a complete surprise, that's right.
In addition to Mark's untimely death in Sarah's

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unexplainable illness, another member of the
Stouty family had also died. He was

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Mark and Diane's twenty six year old
autistic son, Sean. Sean Stoudy was

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the only boy in the Stoudy family. He had autism and a couple other

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medical issues that he dealt with,
but he was the only son of the

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Staudis and he kept to himself a
lot. With the medical issues. He

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was involved in a work activity for
special needs children, which he did well

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at, but primarily just a state
at home as well. When asked about

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her brother's death, Rachel Stoudy recalled
that Sean was very ill before he died.

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She described his symptoms as flu like
and claimed that her mom took the

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entire situation pretty hard. I remember
he was throwing up and then all of

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a sudden, How did obviously mom
had to take that, I mean pretty

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hard too. First dad and then
short time lanter you know is your brother.

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Did she seemed how did she seem
to handle that? I can't imagine,

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but she wishes there more she could
have done. I mean she's told

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me like when we talk at Ny
is like she's just like a failure as

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a mom because it's like it's one
thing to lose your dad and her husband

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and Riah your dad you have.
Well, that's a lot of a lot

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of sudden death and a short amount
of time. Sean Stoudy died in September

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of twenty twelve after experiencing severe flu
like symptoms. Rightfully so, the detectives

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found it highly suspicious that less than
a year later, twenty four year old

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Sarah Stoudy was experiencing those same symptoms
and was likely to die as well.

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So as far as Sarah goes,
when did she come down sick? Man?

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How long did did she have?
Was she thrown up? Or six?

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She was thrown up? Because like
the toilets like right across from my

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bridge and I here and it's like
are you okay in there? And how

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many days she thrown up? Not
very many. Eitherres a couple of days.

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Would you describe it as flu like
your brother, or because it was

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really odd, I mean lack of
appetite as well, because I was trying

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to get her to eat but she
didn't want to. The similarities between Sean's

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death and Sarah's illness were glaring,
but there was one important difference. Sarah

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made it to the hospital before the
worst happened. Unfortunately, even though Sarah

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was receiving much needed medical attention,
the doctors had their doubts and they didn't

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think Sarah was going to pull through. And from what we understood from the

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hospital so far, we really haven't
been able to determine how your sisters will

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say from the hospital standpoint. Okay, the doctors hadn't been able to confirm

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anything as of yet. They're still
working on it, but they basically told

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us that what they were leaning towards
and what they were thinking was the case

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that your sister had been poisoned.
We were told that she's probably gone to

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die. Within fifteen months, two
members of the Stouty family had unexpectedly died

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and a third member of the family
was deathly ill. For the police,

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this didn't seem like a situation where
a family was dealing with some of the

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worst coincidences imaginable. It was pretty
obvious that something malicious was happening here,

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and as the investigation continued, the
unbelievable and horrible truth finally came out.

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Someone was slowly, methodically and systematically
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In April of twenty twelve, sixty
one year old father of four and lead

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singer of the rock band Messing with
Destiny, Mark Stoudy was planning to perform

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a show with his band in Branson, Missouri, but Mark never made it

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to that show. Just a few
days before he was set to take the

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stage, Mark's wife, Diane Stoudy, found Mark dead in their bedroom.

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When Mark Stoudy died, the initial
cause of death was believed to be just

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natural causes. Mark had had some
health issues. Was also said that Mark

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would drink on occasion and smoked,
and so it was just a situation where

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they thought his lifestyle choices and things
like that led to him dying of natural

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causes. Leading up to his death, Mark's bandmates noticed that Mark's health had

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been deteriorating. His skin was pale, he was weak on his feet,

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and he didn't seem to have the
same pep that Mark was known to carry

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himself with. Another person that took
note of Mark's declining health was his twenty

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six year old son, Sean Study. On his Facebook page, Sean wrote

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the following, My father is slowly
getting sicker. His voice is slurred,

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his walking is wobbly. His body
is more tired than normal. He is

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sleeping in bed longer than us.
He may collapse under his weight at any

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time. Just one day later after
writing this post, Shawn announced on Facebook

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that his dad was dead. My
father died. He lived a full life.

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The cause of his death is a
stroke. His funeral is this week.

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Tragically, what Sean didn't know is
that his father hadn't died of a

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stroke. Mark Stoudy was murdered,
and even more horrifying, the person that

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killed him was plotting to kill Sean
as well, which they eventually did.

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Five months after Mark died, Sean
Stoudy suddenly became very ill. According to

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his sister Rachel, Sean was vomiting
and had flu like symptoms. A few

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days later, Sean was found dead
on the floor of his home. Like

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his father, Sean, was also
cremated, but in his case, an

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autopsy had been performed. The initial
cause of death for Sean study was also

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ruled to be natural. He had
epilepsy as a child, and they found

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lesions on his brain during the performance
of the autopsy, and without anything else

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to go on, it was believed
that he died of a seizure. Both

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Mark and Sean had presumably died of
natural causes, so the police were never

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called in to take a closer look
at the situation. But that all changed

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about a year later. In June
of twenty thirteen, yet another member of

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the Stouty family became very sick and
ended up in the hospital. This time

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it was twenty four year old recent
college graduate Sarah Stoudy. Sarah was seemingly

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dealing with the same flu like symptoms
that had affected both her father and her

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brother just before they died. After
Sarah was examined by a doctor, it

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was determined that her kidneys were shutting
down, her other organs were failing,

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her brain was hemorrhaging blood. Yet
none of the hospital's tests could determine what

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caused Sarah's illness in the first place. Interestingly, it wasn't Sarah's illness and

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her admittance to the hospital that alerted
police and prompted an investigation in the Stoudy

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family. Instead, it was an
anonymous phone call that sprang homicide detectives into

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action. Upon viewing the initial report, it seemed pretty bizarre. The report

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talked about someone calling in saying that
we needed to look at the Stoudy family

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because of a couple of deaths,
and now a young woman, Sarah was

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hospitalized and appeared that she was not
going to survive. After this anonymous call

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came in and a police report was
made, the investigators decided to speak with

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Sarah's doctor. The doctor explained that
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could not be determined, there was
a good chance that Sarah had been poisoned.

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So at that time I really didn't
have anything at all to go on

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other than just the discussions with the
doctor. But having knowing that there's other

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two other children still in the Saudi
home, I felt like I needed to

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do something to try to figure out
what was going on, if this was

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in fact a malicious act going on
by somebody in the in the Saudi home

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that I needed to act as quickly
as I possibly could, and that is

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what led me to wanting to interview
Diane. From talking with the hospital,

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it sounds like they're doing a bunch
of tests and they're even sending some tests

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off to labs elsewhere. They mentioned
the Mayo Clinic, and wow, do

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you think there's any be anything suspicious
that they find in all these tests that

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they're going to be doing. I
have no clue there could be anything maybe

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malicious or suspicious and involved with them. I can't think of that. If

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it would come back that there was
something in there like that, how would

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you explain that? I don't know. Forty nine year old Diane Stoudy was

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the widow of Mark Stoudy and the
mother of Sean and Sarah Stoudy. Given

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her background in nursing and the fact
that she didn't seem overly concerned or emotional

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that her daughter Sarah was about to
die, the detective suspected that Diane may

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know more than she was telling.
As crazy as it seemed, she may

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have even murdered her own husband and
her own son. What was Mark's life

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insurance policy? Like he only had
twenty thousand? How about Sean. Sean

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only had fifteen. What about Sarah? Sarah only has fifteen and you were

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able to get the money from Mark
and Shawn's prebt Okay, what did you

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do with that money? With Mark's
we were able to move into a better

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neighborhood right just before Mark died.
The Stouty family consisted of six people.

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Mark and Diane were the parents of
three kids in their early to mid twenties.

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That was Sean, Sarah, and
Rachel. The youngest member of the

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family was eleven year old Brianna.
All six of them lived in a small,

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two bedroom, one bathroom house in
Springfield, Missouri, but after Mark

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died, Diane was able to use
his twenty thousand dollars life insurance policy to

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upgrade. She and the rest of
the family moved into a larger home in

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a nicer neighborhood. What was your
marriage life? How can I say this?

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We were still married, but it
was not what you call a good

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marriage. Has there been any infidelities
on either side? So I'm guessing him

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just briefly thoughing he wasn't the best
husband. Probably not, not just society.

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No, what do you mean by
that? Not to society? Well,

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he was running around and he would
drink and smoke pot, and so

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he wasn't a very good guy.
Yeah, was there any physical abuse towards

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you, Nothing like that. He
just had some extra maritable affairs. And

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you said he did some drugs and
smoked and drank a lot, and okay

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for police piece. If Diane had
murdered Mark, his life insurance policy was

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a possible motive, but so was
the fact that Diane seemed pretty resentful of

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her husband. Even so, this
was all speculation, and at this point

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in the investigation, there wasn't any
evidence that Diane had killed Mark and Sean,

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or that she'd poisoned Sarah. Going
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had nothing other than just a more
and more growing suspicion that she was somehow

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involved. It was difficult because when
I brought Diane in without having any evidence

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to put out there against her,
it was just I wanted to get at

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her level. I wanted to speak
with her and come across as being there

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as almost a friend and understanding her
to try to gain as much information as

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I possibly could, and going into
the interview, I also understood that maybe

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this isn't delicious there isn't at this
time, there's nothing to show that it

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is, and so I wanted to
be very careful. If this is just

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a mother that's gone through some terrible
trauma, I did not want to add

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to that. So it was it
was quite the fine line of trying to

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figure out the balance of how far
do I push this. Ultimately, the

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detective pushed his interview with Diane to
its limit, and without outright saying it,

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he suggested that Diane was responsible for
Sarah's illness, among a lot of

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other things. With some of the
stuff involved in these cases from what we've

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been looking at, I think you're
aware of why we're just why we're here.

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Maybe I don't know. I think
you know why we're here talking because

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I know that there's a reason,
maybe why some of this stuff did happen.

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As far as did I do something
too or I didn't do anything to

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I mean, I guess I could
have taken her to the er sooner,

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but I didn't know if she I
don't know. I know I didn't do

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anything, and if you did,
I'm just telling you I didn't do anything.

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And that's what I feel like you're
insinuating. I do it. I

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may not be the best mother in
the world because I do wait a little

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longer before I take him to the
doctor. But naturally, Diane denied the

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accusations, and after she did,
the detective focused on the reasons that Diane

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may have wanted to kill off her
husband and children. In other words,

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he focused on her motive. I
think Mark, he's having these infidelities.

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He's not working. You've got the
whole the family. You gotta take care

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of everybody. You have all this
stress and pressure on you to raise your

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kids, to put food on the
table. You're the working one's out.

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He's drinking, he's using drugs,
he's doing things he shouldn't be doing.

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I think person just gets pushed to
where, you know what, people just

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can't take it anymore. I think
it's just you got pushed so far yet

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all this weight on your shoulders because
you're not a bad person, are you?

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No? I don't think you are. The detective played this interrogation smart.

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He took a sympathetic and relatable approach, and his strategy ultimately worked.

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With regard to Sarah and her illness, Diane admitted that she knew a lot

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more than she'd been telling. Diane
explained that she he had been hounding Sarah

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for weeks about getting a job,
and after one particular argument between them,

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Sarah did something that was very strange. We had been arguing. She got

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really mad at me, and I
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Understand because she was commenting cycle that
kills cats. It's like, yeah,

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this still kills people. And I
was so mad. Yeah, I waited

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before I took her to the hospital. Diane claimed that, in some bizarre

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act of rebellion, Sarah went into
the family garage and started drinking anti freeze,

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Yes, anti freeze. Not only
that, but Diane also claimed that

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Mark and Sean had done the same
thing. What a weird family. And

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really, I knew they were drinking
any freeze and I was so mad.

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I didn't want to take a name. I'm a horrible mother, Diane.

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You knew that they were drinking anna
freeze. You knew that they didn't We

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both know that. You knew,
Diane, that they were drinking anna freeze

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because you were giving it to them. The detective quickly shut down Diane's explanation

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for what happened to Mark, Sean
and Sarah, and at this point,

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he had pretty much figured out what
had happened. I'm sure a lot of

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you probably have. Two Diane had
poisoned her husband and two of her children

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with anti freeze, to the point
where two of them had died and another

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was about to die. Eventually,
after being unable to maintain her ridiculous explanation,

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Diane came clean. She admitted to
what she had done and explained how

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she did it. How much would
you put in? Just a little?

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And what were you putting it in? So you were put it in in

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Mark skatorade, You're put it in
in Shawn's coke, just regular coke?

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And what about Sarah regular coke?
Coke? And you were only doing it

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once a day because you thought that's
all you needed, okay, when they

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weren't passing right away? Did you
eventually start to give them more and more?

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And I regret doing it? I
really do like it of everybody I've

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feared up healthily. Why did you
decide that you were going to use antifreeze

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to do it? Why? On
some other means? Because I read online

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it was pretty easy to do.
From what I understand, it almost tastes

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good. Is that correct? That's
what they say. The deadly ingredient in

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anti freeze is a chemical compound known
as ethylene glycol. Some of you true

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crime nerds may already know that it
is colorless, odorless, and has kind

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of a sweet taste. Don't try
it. Don't try it. I know

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you want to. I know some
of you are a little dumber than others.

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But don't do it. Please.
You're gonna get me in trouble.

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It's also not typically detected when an
autopsy is performed. In order to find

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ethylene glycoll, a medically examiner has
to specifically look for it, which is

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another reason it's commonly used as a
poison Ingesting this compound can quickly cause several

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fatal health problems, including dysrhythmius and
heart failure. In case this is an

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obvious, ethylene glycol poisoning is a
pretty awful way to die. You wouldn't

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want to try it at all anyway. There's much easier ways. When your

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internal organs start shutting down, it's
not a fun time. It's not going

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to be good. It's actually quite
quite painful. According to Diane, for

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several weeks, she'd been slipping small
doses of antifreeze into her husband's gatorade.

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After he died from the poisoning,
she did the same thing to her son,

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Sean. The only difference was that
Sean preferred Coca Cola over gatorade.

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After Sean was dead, Diane then
began poisoning her oldest daughter, Sarah by

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slipping anti freeze into her soda as
well. What kind of a mother would

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harm her own kids for her own
benefit? Oh, I don't know lots

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of them. Just gonna let that
sit there for a minute. As far

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as motive was concerned, Diane had
a different reason for each of her three

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victims. In the case of her
husband, Diane explained, she simply hated

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his guts. Why didn't you call
an ambulance or bring him to the hospital

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at that point? Hated his guts. I understands how much was his life

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insurance policy? It was only thousand, and you were able to use that

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money to get into your new house. Okay, so need the money.

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As for her son, Diane explained
that Sean had become too much of a

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pest and she simply couldn't deal with
him anymore. Sean would be interfering with

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00:41:14,719 --> 00:41:20,840
whatever I would do to the point
where he was getting into my work.

408
00:41:21,840 --> 00:41:25,079
You get to the point where you
just pull out your hair because I didn't

409
00:41:25,119 --> 00:41:30,719
know what else to do with them. Finally, Diane explained that she decided

410
00:41:30,760 --> 00:41:37,159
to also murder her oldest daughter because
Sarah refused to get a job and Diane

411
00:41:37,199 --> 00:41:42,760
didn't want to pay off Sarah's college
loans. I mean, not wanting to

412
00:41:42,760 --> 00:41:46,519
pay her college loans makes you do
all kinds of stupid things, doesn't it.

413
00:41:46,639 --> 00:41:54,480
Sarah's a difficult child to deal with. I understand, and I've been

414
00:41:54,559 --> 00:41:58,760
kind of putting pressure on her too. You know, you need to get

415
00:41:58,760 --> 00:42:06,599
out and get a job. Your
college bills are coming to I don't want

416
00:42:06,639 --> 00:42:12,360
to pay for them. You know, pretty relatable, right if your kid

417
00:42:12,440 --> 00:42:15,039
has college loans and you don't want
to pay them, just slip a little

418
00:42:15,079 --> 00:42:23,840
anti freeze another soda problem solved.
Diane's motives for the killings were just as

419
00:42:23,880 --> 00:42:30,679
strange and bizarres as just the epitome
of this entire case. When talking about

420
00:42:30,760 --> 00:42:35,119
Mark, she said that it's got
to the point that she hated him,

421
00:42:35,920 --> 00:42:39,480
and where it really got strange and
bizarre was with the children. She said

422
00:42:39,519 --> 00:42:45,679
Sean was a huge burden. And
I even asked if it was a if

423
00:42:45,679 --> 00:42:46,840
he was a pest, and she
said, well he was. He was

424
00:42:46,880 --> 00:42:52,760
worse than that. He was worse
than a pest. And then when discussing

425
00:42:52,960 --> 00:42:55,840
Sarah, she had college loans that
she needed to pay, but she wouldn't

426
00:42:55,840 --> 00:43:00,159
get a job, and so's that's
what led to her poisoning Sarah. It

427
00:43:00,199 --> 00:43:06,760
was it was really stunning to hear
her discuss what led her to killing off

428
00:43:06,960 --> 00:43:10,719
and poisoning the family members. Diane
admitted to what she had done and explained

429
00:43:12,159 --> 00:43:15,559
why she did it, but even
so, there were still a few questions,

430
00:43:16,559 --> 00:43:22,880
first being if Diane wanted to kill
Sarah, why did she eventually bring

431
00:43:22,920 --> 00:43:28,519
her to a hospital? And second, why did Diane spare her other two

432
00:43:28,599 --> 00:43:32,960
daughters? What was the reason for
bringing her when she was because you even

433
00:43:32,960 --> 00:43:35,760
said, you know, she was
so bad, you know you thought she

434
00:43:35,840 --> 00:43:39,159
was going to die and you had
to carry her? And did Rachel Was

435
00:43:39,199 --> 00:43:42,199
she the one that said, hey, let's save her to the hospital.

436
00:43:43,039 --> 00:43:45,760
Actually both of us thought the same
thing at the same times, like this,

437
00:43:45,920 --> 00:43:51,280
take her in? Had you been
given any to her? What about

438
00:43:51,280 --> 00:44:00,039
Brianna? Why not those two I
love and I wish I had done it.

439
00:44:00,079 --> 00:44:07,519
Ever, Diane claimed that it was
Rachel who prompted Diane to take Sarah

440
00:44:07,760 --> 00:44:13,400
to the hospital. Speaking of Rachel. After Diane confessed, the detectives were

441
00:44:13,440 --> 00:44:20,039
given the awful task of breaking all
of this bad news to her. I

442
00:44:20,039 --> 00:44:24,760
brought your mom in today and interviewed
her at length quite a long time,

443
00:44:25,440 --> 00:44:31,559
and basically what has happened is your
mom has admitted to killing your dad and

444
00:44:31,599 --> 00:44:37,519
your brother and trying to kill your
sister. She had been giving your father

445
00:44:37,679 --> 00:44:43,880
small doses of Annie Freese and his
drinks. Same thing with your brother,

446
00:44:44,320 --> 00:44:57,800
and same thing with your sister.
Sarah's take some time and good. It's

447
00:44:57,840 --> 00:45:00,800
a logical process. I don't even
know how how you actually process that,

448
00:45:00,920 --> 00:45:07,199
To be honest with you, Rachel, did you think there was anything going

449
00:45:07,239 --> 00:45:09,000
on there with mom at all?
I mean, did that even did that

450
00:45:09,039 --> 00:45:13,639
thought even ever even crossed her mind? She never gave me any kind of

451
00:45:13,639 --> 00:45:16,800
indication that she was just at her
words end with the three of them hitting

452
00:45:16,920 --> 00:45:22,920
one time that you could remember,
just frustrated, right, yeah. Rachel

453
00:45:22,920 --> 00:45:28,760
Stoudy was a twenty two year old
unemployed college student. In a matter of

454
00:45:28,800 --> 00:45:34,039
months, she had lost her father, her brother, and her oldest sister,

455
00:45:34,199 --> 00:45:39,960
and now her mom was being locked
up for murder. Can you fucking

456
00:45:40,280 --> 00:45:47,960
imagine what that's like. As a
result, the responsibility of caring for eleven

457
00:45:49,039 --> 00:45:54,960
year old Breonna Stoudy fell on Rachel's
twenty two year old shoulders. Somebody from

458
00:45:54,960 --> 00:45:58,920
the child Abaco the Center will talk
to her briefly, and then after they

459
00:45:58,960 --> 00:46:01,440
talked to her a little bit,
if it's okay with you, we'll just

460
00:46:01,480 --> 00:46:06,119
really start to you. She needs
to be with you. She doesn't need

461
00:46:06,159 --> 00:46:09,400
to be anywhere else. She needs
to be with you. After Rachel was

462
00:46:09,440 --> 00:46:16,400
made aware of this horrific situation,
the detective left the interview room and Rachel

463
00:46:16,800 --> 00:46:59,440
broke down understandably, you're god Sadly, the bad news that Rachel had just

464
00:46:59,519 --> 00:47:07,079
gotten was only going to get worse
because there was yet another horrible twist in

465
00:47:07,159 --> 00:47:12,760
this story. Not only had Rachel's
mom poisoned Rachel's dad, brother, and

466
00:47:12,960 --> 00:47:19,280
sister, but it turned out that
Diane hadn't done this all on her own.

467
00:47:20,599 --> 00:47:58,159
As the investigation continued, the police
learned that Diane Stoudie had an accomplice.

468
00:47:58,960 --> 00:48:02,920
In June of thirteen, forty nine
year old Diane Stoudy was interviewed by

469
00:48:04,000 --> 00:48:09,079
a Springfield, Missouri, homicide detective. During that interview, Diane confessed to

470
00:48:09,239 --> 00:48:15,039
murdering her sixty one year old husband
Mark and her twenty six year old son

471
00:48:15,159 --> 00:48:20,159
Sean. Diane also admitted that she
had tried to murder her oldest daughter,

472
00:48:20,280 --> 00:48:25,320
twenty four year old Sarah Stoudy,
as well. Diane explained that for several

473
00:48:25,360 --> 00:48:32,000
weeks she'd been slipping small doses of
anti freeze into her husband's drinks. After

474
00:48:32,280 --> 00:48:37,880
he died from the poisoning, she
did the same thing to her son.

475
00:48:38,039 --> 00:48:43,000
After her son died, she began
doing the same thing to her daughter.

476
00:48:44,199 --> 00:48:49,719
After Sarah became deathly ill and was
taken to the hospital, an anonymous phone

477
00:48:49,760 --> 00:48:53,119
call was placed to police about what
was going on in the Stoudy family.

478
00:48:54,199 --> 00:49:00,320
This prompted detectives to open an investigation. At the start part of that investigation,

479
00:49:00,400 --> 00:49:07,199
homicide detectives didn't have much to go
on. There wasn't any actual evidence

480
00:49:07,239 --> 00:49:12,039
of foul play, But when Diane
was interrogated, it didn't take long for

481
00:49:12,119 --> 00:49:15,719
her to crack. She admitted to
what she had done and explained how she

482
00:49:15,840 --> 00:49:22,400
did it. Even so, the
investigation wasn't quite over. The lead investigator

483
00:49:22,440 --> 00:49:29,400
suspected that Diane hadn't told police the
whole truth and that she may not have

484
00:49:29,559 --> 00:49:37,679
acted alone. He believed that Diane
had an accomplice. After Diane had had

485
00:49:37,719 --> 00:49:44,880
made her confession to poisoning her family, it just there was this time where

486
00:49:44,880 --> 00:49:47,360
she would she would talk about her
daughter, Rachel, and it just seemed

487
00:49:47,360 --> 00:49:52,079
you could just see her. It
was almost as if she lit up when

488
00:49:52,119 --> 00:49:57,440
discussing Rachel. So when she was
discussing her other family members, you could

489
00:49:57,440 --> 00:50:02,480
see just the hatred or disdain,
animosity that she had towards them, but

490
00:50:02,639 --> 00:50:07,719
she talked so it was a complete
one eighty when she talked about Rachel,

491
00:50:08,280 --> 00:50:14,840
and so much so that during my
time speaking with her, I began to

492
00:50:15,280 --> 00:50:22,000
become suspicious as gosh was Rachel involved
with her. In addition to Sarah,

493
00:50:22,400 --> 00:50:27,039
Diane had two other daughters, twenty
two year old Rachel and eleven year old

494
00:50:27,039 --> 00:50:34,760
Brianna, both of whom had not
been poisoned, not yet anyway. After

495
00:50:34,920 --> 00:50:39,559
Diane confessed and was arrested, Rachel
was made aware of the situation and sent

496
00:50:39,639 --> 00:50:45,119
home, but the following day,
Rachel was invited back to the police station

497
00:50:45,320 --> 00:50:51,679
for yet another interview. One Detective
Shipley told you yesterday about what your mom

498
00:50:51,760 --> 00:51:00,000
did. What do you think about
that? Confusion? Shock? That's nobody

499
00:51:00,039 --> 00:51:07,480
expects to have something that they don't
do that. Were you ever suspicious of

500
00:51:07,519 --> 00:51:10,599
your mom? No, so you
didn't think that she would be capable of

501
00:51:10,599 --> 00:51:15,480
doing something like this. You know, if anything, she had been helping

502
00:51:15,519 --> 00:51:21,639
me with setting up like things for
school. It sounds like you and heard

503
00:51:21,719 --> 00:51:24,119
from talking to her that you and
her were pretty good buddies. Is that

504
00:51:24,239 --> 00:51:30,719
right? You guys are real close, almost best friend kind of. Again.

505
00:51:30,760 --> 00:51:34,280
When Rachel's mom was interviewed, the
cops didn't have much to go on.

506
00:51:35,239 --> 00:51:38,280
They didn't have any evidence to confront
her with, which in the end

507
00:51:38,840 --> 00:51:45,800
didn't matter because Diane confessed in Rachel's
case. However, things were a little

508
00:51:45,800 --> 00:51:51,880
different. After my interrogation with Diane
was over, one of our crime scene

509
00:51:51,920 --> 00:51:55,239
detectives got a hold of me and
said that he had a piece of evidence

510
00:51:55,360 --> 00:52:00,280
down in our evidence room that he
thought I should look at. So I

511
00:52:00,320 --> 00:52:04,519
went down there and he had a
journal, and the journal appeared to be

512
00:52:04,599 --> 00:52:10,719
that of Rachel's and a couple of
the entries were extremely odd and bizarre and

513
00:52:10,800 --> 00:52:15,599
after reading them, it just kind
of cemented my suspicion of Rachel. The

514
00:52:15,639 --> 00:52:22,119
cops had found Rachel's personal journal,
and in that journal, Rachel wrote the

515
00:52:22,159 --> 00:52:27,519
following, It's sad when I realize
how my father will pass on in the

516
00:52:27,559 --> 00:52:32,199
next two months Sean my brother will
move on shortly after. It will be

517
00:52:32,239 --> 00:52:37,320
tough getting used to the changes,
but everything will work out. This journal

518
00:52:37,440 --> 00:52:44,760
entry pretty much confirmed the detective's suspicions. At the very least, it verified

519
00:52:44,800 --> 00:52:51,320
that Rachel knew what her mom was
doing, and Rachel may have even helped

520
00:52:51,519 --> 00:53:01,239
Diane commit the murders. Do you
recognize of this? Yeah? I remember

521
00:53:01,280 --> 00:53:07,440
this? Okay? What is that
little journal thing? Whose journal? Mine?

522
00:53:07,559 --> 00:53:13,679
Your journal? New wrote this and
you remember writing it? Yeah?

523
00:53:13,760 --> 00:53:17,159
Okay. I got some questions for
you, Rachel, some questions that you

524
00:53:17,239 --> 00:53:22,039
need to be honest with me about. Now is the time to be completely

525
00:53:22,039 --> 00:53:29,360
truthful with everything. After Rachel was
confronted with her journal, she came clean

526
00:53:29,400 --> 00:53:34,719
and admitted that, with the help
of her mom, Rachel poisoned her father,

527
00:53:35,400 --> 00:53:40,800
her brother, and her older sister
with anti freeze. Like mother,

528
00:53:43,000 --> 00:53:47,840
like daughter. When did you guys
come up with this plan? I can't

529
00:53:47,840 --> 00:53:54,880
think of exact dates, but I
mean we talked about it like Christmas before

530
00:53:58,639 --> 00:54:05,280
Rachel, whose idea was this,
mom brought it up. I mean when

531
00:54:05,280 --> 00:54:13,079
we discussed it, would she say
to you basically went through different options.

532
00:54:14,280 --> 00:54:19,280
We had a book on poisonous plants. I mean she would talk about cyanide

533
00:54:19,960 --> 00:54:23,880
and she mentioned once how hard it
would be defined. I was trying to

534
00:54:23,920 --> 00:54:30,239
find things that wouldn't be traceable,
or at least would be hard to trace.

535
00:54:30,559 --> 00:54:36,119
According to Rachel, she and Diane
had thought long and hard about how

536
00:54:36,159 --> 00:54:40,920
they were going to go about murdering
the rest of the family. I can

537
00:54:40,920 --> 00:54:49,960
only imagine that conversation. After many
discussions, they eventually settled on using anti

538
00:54:50,000 --> 00:54:55,840
freeze, which again is not easily
detected when an autopsy is performed. More

539
00:54:55,880 --> 00:55:01,559
than likely, Diane's background in nursing
made her aware of that fact. How

540
00:55:01,559 --> 00:55:06,400
many times a day were you given
doing this putting the ana freeze in your

541
00:55:06,440 --> 00:55:10,199
dad's drinks? How many times on
average per day were you doing it?

542
00:55:10,400 --> 00:55:15,320
Twice? It was a trade off. She would do it, then I

543
00:55:15,400 --> 00:55:24,119
would for how long several weeks?
Several weeks? How many bottles of anaphreeze

544
00:55:24,159 --> 00:55:32,480
did you guys go through upwards of
five for your dad. Yeah, you

545
00:55:32,519 --> 00:55:37,000
went through about five bottles. And
how big were the bottles? Can kind

546
00:55:37,039 --> 00:55:42,239
of give me a visual about how
big you think they were? So probably

547
00:55:42,280 --> 00:55:45,880
around a gallon or so something like
that. Okay. Over the course of

548
00:55:46,000 --> 00:55:52,280
several weeks, Rachel and Diane slipped
about five gallons of anti freeze into Mark

549
00:55:52,360 --> 00:56:00,320
Stouty's drinks, which ultimately led to
his death. Well, Diane's motive were

550
00:56:00,360 --> 00:56:06,119
rooted in hatred for her husband.
Rachel had a different reason for wanting to

551
00:56:06,199 --> 00:56:12,400
kill her father, My dad.
I couldn't really see him ever like doing

552
00:56:12,480 --> 00:56:17,320
anything to help us. He had
no concept of money. He was always

553
00:56:17,480 --> 00:56:25,840
just blowing money. He would always
beat out of the house, wouldn't really

554
00:56:25,880 --> 00:56:31,280
help her in the house. Was
basically a drain on her on us.

555
00:56:32,400 --> 00:56:38,679
Basically, Rachel saw her dad as
a deadbeat. She considered him to be

556
00:56:38,679 --> 00:56:45,760
a worthless burden on the family.
As for her brother, Rachel claimed that

557
00:56:45,800 --> 00:56:50,880
she wasn't immediately on board with the
idea of killing Sean, but after her

558
00:56:50,880 --> 00:56:57,079
mom kept pressing the idea, Rachel
eventually agreed to go along with the plan.

559
00:56:58,000 --> 00:57:06,199
Sean I accepted that she wanted him
gone, but I really didn't think

560
00:57:06,239 --> 00:57:14,639
he was necessary, Shawn me argued
on a lot, because I still think

561
00:57:14,679 --> 00:57:21,760
we could have put him in been
like a assistant living, but she wanted

562
00:57:21,800 --> 00:57:27,760
him out. She would just go
on and on about him just being a

563
00:57:27,800 --> 00:57:32,920
burden. Basically, After Mark and
Sean were dead, Rachel and her mom

564
00:57:34,039 --> 00:57:39,800
then decided they were going to also
go after Rachel's older sister, Sarah.

565
00:57:39,920 --> 00:57:44,639
So how are you guys getting her
the drinks without her knowing about it.

566
00:57:45,599 --> 00:57:50,760
She's on the computer a lot,
on YouTube a lot, on sites like

567
00:57:50,880 --> 00:57:57,599
that a lot, and she's easily
distracted. It wouldn't take much to like

568
00:57:59,519 --> 00:58:05,000
get what I'm drink she did have
and just slip it. We'll quit.

569
00:58:06,280 --> 00:58:09,079
According to Rachel, the plot to
kill Sarah was her mother's idea, but

570
00:58:09,280 --> 00:58:15,800
again, Rachel had her own reasons
for wanting her sister dead. Did you

571
00:58:15,840 --> 00:58:22,599
and your mother discuss killing Sarah?
I'm almost thinking about it. What would

572
00:58:22,679 --> 00:58:29,679
she say about it other than the
fact that she basically lived in the back

573
00:58:29,760 --> 00:58:36,719
bedroom and didn't like have any dunction
to get a job more or less,

574
00:58:36,840 --> 00:58:40,320
that she wasn't going anywhere with her
life, and that she really had a

575
00:58:40,400 --> 00:58:45,480
new purpose. She was very adamant
on that Sarah was just a burden,

576
00:58:45,599 --> 00:58:52,719
that Sarah needed to be taken care
of. By taking care of I mean,

577
00:58:52,840 --> 00:59:01,119
she means killed mom probably has her
own issues with her. What about

578
00:59:01,119 --> 00:59:07,239
you? Did you guys find a
lot? Yeah? Why did you want

579
00:59:07,280 --> 00:59:12,840
Sarah? Did? I mean?
She grew up it later when she got

580
00:59:12,840 --> 00:59:21,800
on the medicine, but she still
argues she still has really unappropriate jokes.

581
00:59:22,920 --> 00:59:32,280
Inappropriate jokes. That was Rachel's rationalization
for killing her sister. Did you hear

582
00:59:32,320 --> 00:59:38,679
that? What is going on?
What is wrong with the world right now?

583
00:59:39,480 --> 00:59:45,800
Does anybody know? I'd like to
find out what is wrong with people

584
00:59:45,840 --> 00:59:52,400
in their twenties, specifically, which
makes someone like this think that murder is

585
00:59:52,480 --> 01:00:01,920
appropriate if their sensibilities are offended?
Holy fuck buck. Also, the depravity

586
01:00:02,079 --> 01:00:07,239
didn't end there. If you remember
from Diane's earlier police interview, it was

587
01:00:07,360 --> 01:00:15,079
Rachel who prompted Diane to take Sarah
to the hospital. This decision didn't come

588
01:00:15,119 --> 01:00:21,199
about because of some sort of sympathy
for Sarah or because Rachel was having second

589
01:00:21,239 --> 01:00:28,639
thoughts. The decision was rooted entirely
in selfishness. I'd like to know why

590
01:00:28,679 --> 01:00:32,320
you guys eventually took You know,
when Sarah got so bad? Now you

591
01:00:32,320 --> 01:00:35,920
guys said you thought that she was
pretty much dead. Why did you take

592
01:00:35,960 --> 01:00:39,719
her to the hospital. I didn't
want another one to die in the house.

593
01:00:39,960 --> 01:00:45,280
And why is that? Because houses
are nasty after somebody's died in it?

594
01:00:46,079 --> 01:00:47,360
And what does that mean? What
do you mean? What do you

595
01:00:47,440 --> 01:00:52,719
mean by that? I get a
lot of nightmares, Like after Sean died,

596
01:00:52,880 --> 01:00:58,079
I moved into his twe it was
awful, awful, awful in there?

597
01:01:00,039 --> 01:01:04,679
Were you surprising you found out that
Sarah was going to live? Very

598
01:01:05,199 --> 01:01:12,440
surprised? Were there any more discussions
of finishing, finishing or wrong? I

599
01:01:12,519 --> 01:01:17,679
didn't really get never never got to
those discussions. According to Rachel, if

600
01:01:17,679 --> 01:01:24,119
her sister survived the hospital stay,
Diane and Rachel would still have carried out

601
01:01:24,320 --> 01:01:30,760
the murder, though they never got
around to discussing how they would actually do

602
01:01:30,840 --> 01:01:35,119
it. At the same time,
they were also planning to commit yet another

603
01:01:35,719 --> 01:01:39,559
murder. It really is scary to
think of what would have happened if if

604
01:01:39,679 --> 01:01:45,000
we if our attention was not brought
to what was going on in the Sudy

605
01:01:45,079 --> 01:01:49,320
family. And it came straight from
Rachel's mouth, to me that their plan

606
01:01:49,480 --> 01:01:52,480
was to kill the the youngest child
of the family, who at the time

607
01:01:52,599 --> 01:01:59,960
was only eleven years old. So
it's one of those situations of thank god

608
01:02:00,159 --> 01:02:06,239
we were able to stop this when
we did. Otherwise this is a small

609
01:02:06,320 --> 01:02:12,039
child would have possibly succumbed to the
to the same outcome as what the others

610
01:02:12,079 --> 01:02:16,760
did. Again, it wasn't Sarah
going to the hospital that caught the attention

611
01:02:17,119 --> 01:02:22,639
of the police. It was an
anonymous phone call that alerted the authorities.

612
01:02:23,679 --> 01:02:30,280
Eventually the detectives figured out where that
call came from. The caller was Diane

613
01:02:30,360 --> 01:02:37,679
and Rachel's church pastor. Who did
you tell what happened? I mean,

614
01:02:37,679 --> 01:02:42,760
I hint did a little with Sibby, but I didn't get there. What

615
01:02:42,800 --> 01:02:52,039
did you tell Pastor Sibbey? I
mainly wanted help because I didn't want to

616
01:02:52,079 --> 01:02:59,920
get so far. Rachel partially confided
in her church pastor, and after he

617
01:03:00,159 --> 01:03:06,599
learned that Sarah was in the hospital, he called police. Had this call

618
01:03:06,880 --> 01:03:12,840
not been made, eleven year old
Brianna would likely have suffered the same fate

619
01:03:13,280 --> 01:03:19,119
as Mark, Sean and Sarah.
Did you think that eventually after everybody dying

620
01:03:19,199 --> 01:03:22,119
off in similar way, is that
we might show up to talk to you

621
01:03:22,159 --> 01:03:30,400
guys. Didn't really think I would
get caught. Stupid nut that I think

622
01:03:30,480 --> 01:03:36,960
on it. Did you want it
to just be you and your mother?

623
01:03:38,039 --> 01:03:47,840
Yeah? And why is that cause
she understands me? She doesn't any Given

624
01:03:49,159 --> 01:03:53,960
what had happened in the Stoudy home. A logical question is why Rachel.

625
01:03:55,079 --> 01:04:01,280
Why did Diane choose Rachel to be
the accomplice and not any one of her

626
01:04:01,320 --> 01:04:08,360
other children, And also why would
Rachel agree to follow her mother and go

627
01:04:08,400 --> 01:04:16,320
along with such an evil plan.
Why indeed would a child want to please

628
01:04:16,360 --> 01:04:23,320
her parents and do what they say. I believe the reason Diane chose Rachel

629
01:04:23,400 --> 01:04:30,199
or those two acted together is just
because of this very strange mother daughter relationship

630
01:04:30,280 --> 01:04:33,960
they had. And both of them
discussed that it was obvious that Rachel was

631
01:04:34,320 --> 01:04:38,599
the favorite of Diane, that she
was kind of the chosen child. Rachel

632
01:04:38,760 --> 01:04:45,039
was very artistic and was talented musically, which was one of Diane's passions.

633
01:04:45,039 --> 01:04:48,039
And they spent a lot of time
together in church, and you know,

634
01:04:48,119 --> 01:04:51,360
Rachel talked about the same things.
Rachel talked about. Her and her mother

635
01:04:51,639 --> 01:04:56,039
were the only ones that really understood
each other. That nobody else did,

636
01:04:56,119 --> 01:05:01,360
but it was almost like a best
friend relationship as opposed to a mother daughter.

637
01:05:02,480 --> 01:05:09,920
Miraculously, after Diane and Rachel confessed
and we're both arrested, Sarah Stouty

638
01:05:10,719 --> 01:05:16,559
pulled through and was eventually released from
the hospital. Unfortunately, some of the

639
01:05:16,679 --> 01:05:24,960
physical effects of the anti freeze poisoning
were irreversible. Sarah survived the into freeze

640
01:05:24,960 --> 01:05:28,719
poisoning her sister Rachel, and her
mother Diane's Dottie put in her drink,

641
01:05:29,079 --> 01:05:33,039
but she now has brain damage and
requires round the clock care. Her brother

642
01:05:33,079 --> 01:05:40,800
and father died from the poisoning.
Sarah was kind of a medical miracle because

643
01:05:40,960 --> 01:05:43,800
by all accounts, it was believed
that she was going to pass, but

644
01:05:43,960 --> 01:05:49,159
she ended up surviving. She did
sustain some pretty heavy brain damage from the

645
01:05:49,199 --> 01:05:55,599
incident, so Sarah now lives in
an assisted living home full time. Following

646
01:05:55,679 --> 01:06:00,800
Sarah's release from the hospital, both
Diane and Rachel were charged with several crimes,

647
01:06:00,880 --> 01:06:04,599
including two counts of first degree murder
for the deaths of Mark and Sean

648
01:06:04,679 --> 01:06:12,159
Stoudy and attempted murder for the near
death of Sarah Stoudy. When Rachel went

649
01:06:12,199 --> 01:06:16,239
to court. Obviously, this was
a death penalty case, but Rachel ended

650
01:06:16,320 --> 01:06:21,679
up taking a plea deal that she
would testify against her mother. During the

651
01:06:21,719 --> 01:06:30,920
death penalty hearing for Diane, Rachel
pled to murder, and she was offered

652
01:06:30,239 --> 01:06:35,960
part of her plea deal that she
could be eligible for parole after I believe

653
01:06:36,000 --> 01:06:43,880
it was forty or forty two years
prior to Diane's case actually going to trial.

654
01:06:44,760 --> 01:06:48,679
Diane agreed to take a plea deal
to take the death penalty off the

655
01:06:48,719 --> 01:06:55,360
table, so both Diane and Rachel
are currently incarcerated in the Missouri Department of

656
01:06:55,400 --> 01:07:00,000
Corrections. Rachel will be eligible for
parole when she's in her sixties. Diane

657
01:07:00,440 --> 01:07:06,760
will serve her entire life in prison. During the sentencing phase, Rachel read

658
01:07:06,800 --> 01:07:13,320
a brief statement in court and apologized
to her sister Sarah. I'm sorry.

659
01:07:13,760 --> 01:07:17,360
I couldn't find the courage to stay
right, to go for help, to

660
01:07:17,440 --> 01:07:27,239
pretend to I was scared that they
scarce excuse. In response to Rachel's statement,

661
01:07:27,360 --> 01:07:32,400
Sarah addressed the apology in a few
media interviews. Sarah claimed that she's

662
01:07:32,519 --> 01:07:38,840
forgiven both her mom and her sister
for what they have done. I forgive

663
01:07:38,880 --> 01:07:44,159
her for what she did to me. Was your forgiveness given us something that

664
01:07:44,239 --> 01:07:46,800
was really hard to come to over
time? Or how how does that that

665
01:07:46,880 --> 01:07:54,039
process work for something? How many? I am a Christian and I believe

666
01:07:54,079 --> 01:07:58,960
forgiveness is the only way to go. Was that something you were able to

667
01:07:59,000 --> 01:08:03,239
do right away? Yes, Well, you might be inclined to commend Sarah

668
01:08:03,280 --> 01:08:09,239
for taking the high road here.
She might not be as deserving of that

669
01:08:09,400 --> 01:08:15,159
commendation as you think. Believe it
or not. There was yet another bizarre

670
01:08:15,239 --> 01:08:21,439
twist in this really really crazy tale. During one of her police interviews,

671
01:08:21,560 --> 01:08:30,520
Rachel Stoudy told investigators that Sarah knew
about the plan to murder both Mark and

672
01:08:31,319 --> 01:08:36,520
Sean. It's very possible she could
have overheard, did Sarah no? Yes

673
01:08:36,600 --> 01:08:44,640
or no? Yes? She obviously
just didn't realize that she was going to

674
01:08:44,680 --> 01:08:49,119
get it. Also, Sarah more
or less overheard. She really didn't plan.

675
01:08:50,119 --> 01:09:00,000
She's just more there, But Sarah
new Sarah. So did Sarah ever

676
01:09:00,079 --> 01:09:08,479
become suspicious when she started to get
sick? She did mention, oh am

677
01:09:08,520 --> 01:09:12,239
I going to die? She never
mentioned anything about her you guys poisoning me

678
01:09:12,279 --> 01:09:16,079
too? Or no? But she
asked if she was going to die?

679
01:09:16,600 --> 01:09:20,960
Who? Did she ask that?
What? Did your mom say, I

680
01:09:21,000 --> 01:09:29,600
don't know. Granted, it's entirely
possible that Rachel was lying, but when

681
01:09:29,840 --> 01:09:34,199
she was first asked about Sarah's knowledge
of the crimes, Rachel said that Sarah

682
01:09:34,239 --> 01:09:40,720
knew nothing. It was only after
the detectives pressed her that Rachel changed her

683
01:09:40,800 --> 01:09:45,079
story. If Rachel was lying and
just wanted to throw Sarah under the bus,

684
01:09:46,000 --> 01:09:50,520
why would she initially deny that Sarah
knew? If you're wondering. The

685
01:09:50,560 --> 01:09:58,039
police did investigate the possibility that Sarah
knew about the murder plot, but ultimately

686
01:09:58,840 --> 01:10:06,079
conspiracy charges were never filed against her, so who knows. During Rachel's interview,

687
01:10:06,600 --> 01:10:14,239
she talked about Sarah having knowledge of
the poisonings of both Mark and Sean.

688
01:10:15,079 --> 01:10:20,199
I did look into that, and
there were some things that might have

689
01:10:20,279 --> 01:10:27,000
indicated that Sarah was in fact knowledgeable, and I have spoken with her about

690
01:10:27,000 --> 01:10:30,680
that and she has said things to
me that, you know, we're we're

691
01:10:30,680 --> 01:10:35,960
alarming and disturbing. But based on
Sarah's mental capacity and the effects from the

692
01:10:36,000 --> 01:10:41,079
anaphrees from from her being poisoned,
there was never never a case that was

693
01:10:41,199 --> 01:10:45,479
that was brought against Sarah. If
Sarah knew that Diane and Rachel had killed

694
01:10:45,600 --> 01:10:51,000
Mark and Sean Stoudy, it means
that justice was not fully carried out for

695
01:10:51,159 --> 01:10:58,720
either victim. It's been over a
decade since both men were murdered, so

696
01:10:58,800 --> 01:11:03,680
the likelihood of prosecutors bringing up charges
against Sarah is pretty much non existent.

697
01:11:04,760 --> 01:11:12,359
She's free to go, but at
least we can say that the mastermind behind

698
01:11:12,359 --> 01:11:17,079
it all got her come uppance.
In terms of Diane, I have never

699
01:11:17,159 --> 01:11:21,680
seen one bit of remorse from Diane
about any of it, and I think

700
01:11:21,760 --> 01:11:27,960
the only remorse that she might have
is that Rachel got caught with her,

701
01:11:28,039 --> 01:11:30,800
and that now that Rachel is going
to spend decades and decades in prison.

702
01:11:31,560 --> 01:11:39,159
I believe this whole case really just
centered around Diane's narcissism, her selfishness,

703
01:11:39,199 --> 01:11:42,640
and how she wanted it her way
and it was only going to be her

704
01:11:42,680 --> 01:11:47,119
way. It was a situation that
seemed that these people that she did not

705
01:11:47,439 --> 01:11:51,720
like she was eliminating, she was
getting rid of just so she could have

706
01:11:51,800 --> 01:11:57,039
it to what she wanted, which
was her and Rachel. It was a

707
01:11:57,079 --> 01:12:01,560
situation where I believed that Diane was
just a a pure narcissist. And it's

708
01:12:01,640 --> 01:12:05,720
cliche, but in my career.
I don't know that I can say that

709
01:12:05,840 --> 01:12:14,439
I've sat across from somebody that was
truly more evil than Diane. What's especially

710
01:12:14,720 --> 01:12:20,760
mind boggling about Diane Stoudy is that
there was almost nothing forcing her to remain

711
01:12:20,880 --> 01:12:28,039
in or maintain the life and family
that she no longer wanted. She could

712
01:12:28,079 --> 01:12:32,720
have walked away at any point.
She was the breadwinner of the family,

713
01:12:33,600 --> 01:12:36,439
she was the only one with a
real job. She had all the money,

714
01:12:36,439 --> 01:12:42,920
all the power, and all but
one of her kids was well into

715
01:12:42,920 --> 01:12:47,000
their twenties. If she wanted to, she could have just left that she

716
01:12:47,079 --> 01:12:51,479
wanted to. She could have just
taken Rachel and her youngest daughter with her,

717
01:12:53,399 --> 01:13:00,159
left everyone else to fend for themselves. There was no reason at all

718
01:13:00,479 --> 01:13:04,920
for any of this. Sure,
that would have been kind of a shitty

719
01:13:04,960 --> 01:13:08,720
thing to do when people would have
looked at her a little differently, but

720
01:13:10,039 --> 01:13:15,840
they're doing that now, and they're
doing that a lot more harshly. And

721
01:13:15,960 --> 01:13:18,880
at the same time, I imagine
that Mark, Sean, and Sarah,

722
01:13:18,920 --> 01:13:25,039
all of them would have preferred that
Diane had just left instead of, you

723
01:13:25,079 --> 01:13:31,119
know, poisoning them. But as
the detective explained, none of that mattered

724
01:13:31,439 --> 01:13:39,199
to Diane, the pain she caused
didn't matter, and neither did the other

725
01:13:39,279 --> 01:13:46,239
options that were available to her.
Those options just weren't good enough for Diane.

726
01:13:46,479 --> 01:13:55,880
Diane was going to have things her
way because Diane is a narcissist,

727
01:13:57,079 --> 01:14:06,640
Diane is selfish, hm, Diane
is evil, Diane is a monster.

728
01:14:29,760 --> 01:14:32,479
Oh, I felt like I was
talking about someone else for a second.

729
01:14:32,479 --> 01:14:35,199
There. All right, guys,
thank you for joining us. We'll see

730
01:14:35,239 --> 01:15:02,640
you next time. Stay safe,
Hey, Thart and fail. I just

731
01:15:02,640 --> 01:15:10,199
wanted to thank you for doing all
of the child murdered uh podcast. I

732
01:15:10,239 --> 01:15:14,760
know it must be really hard.
I work in childcare, and it's so

733
01:15:14,800 --> 01:15:17,399
important for people to understand if you
see something, you say something, and

734
01:15:17,520 --> 01:15:23,439
every time, like I've cried from
all of the stories with the kids,

735
01:15:23,479 --> 01:15:28,479
but it's so important because people hear
it and you don't want to keep hearing

736
01:15:28,520 --> 01:15:30,600
it. Well, then someone need
to do something instead of someone thinking that

737
01:15:30,640 --> 01:15:32,640
somebody else is going to do it. So I just want to thank you

738
01:15:32,680 --> 01:15:39,039
for the bottom of my heart for
doing the child story so there is awareness.

739
01:15:39,079 --> 01:15:43,439
Thank you so much to have a
good day. By became like I'm

740
01:15:43,439 --> 01:15:50,880
sorry for my voice being out because
they am completely devastated over episode six.

741
01:15:54,760 --> 01:15:58,680
I'm not asking anything of you,
Mike. I don't want you to changed.

742
01:15:58,720 --> 01:16:04,920
Mike By podcasts will never die.
They'll never say that to me again.

743
01:16:06,600 --> 01:16:15,800
And also, fuck awesome Robinson,
that little pussy, that little girl

744
01:16:15,840 --> 01:16:20,760
did not ever ask for anything but
love the way you knew. That episode

745
01:16:20,960 --> 01:16:29,039
was so beautiful and scary, and
I loved how long it was, and

746
01:16:29,119 --> 01:16:34,680
he left all the information and he
loved that audio. Freaking kid every time.

747
01:16:35,079 --> 01:17:03,960
I mean, I'm gonna go Forard
myself this week. I like Mike. It depend