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Into this nightcap full throttle now with
my Rep from the fourth District the Commonwealth

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of Kentucky and the US House of
Representatives at full disclosure, a guy that

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I have voted for and will vote
for again in this next election cycle,

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and proudly do it because I feel
like he does truly represent my values and

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the values of the other three quarters
of a million or so maybe more constituents

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in that fourth district. The one
and only US Rep. Thomas Massey on

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the nightcap, and Thom it's great
to talk to you again. It's been

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a long long time, but I
think it's high time that we do have

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this discussion. How are you.
I'm doing well and I'm glad to be

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able to reach your listeners who listen
at this hour. All right, first

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off, they're doing it again.
Well, they being you as a member

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of this body, threatening us with
shutting the government down and the omnimous spinning

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Bill and all the rest of this
garbage. I've always thought that the budget

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thing was ridiculous because you know exactly
what you've got to do. You've got

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a cut spending if you're going to
actually make a debt in thirty four thirty

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four trillion dollars in debt if you're
going to not have to pay a trillion

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dollars in interest payments on that debt. And it's it's a pretty simple thing

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for anybody who's ever balanced a check
book, and apparently most of a lot

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of your members at least have not
ever had to balance their government pay checkbook.

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And you know, you've been full, i mean fully voiced on this

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full throated voice on this toime all
along about what needs to happen. So

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so tell me you're in the slim
majority in the House. Are the Republicans

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going to pull together and get something
together at the last minute just for political

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purposes like they always do? Well, listen, this is I think the

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fourth or fifth last minute that we
have. You know, don't forget.

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This spending bill was due at midnight
on September thirtieth of twenty twenty four,

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and it didn't get done. We
were working on twelve separate bills. We

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had had like seven of them done. They punted, they did a CR,

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they did a CR, they did
a CR and so the next two

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crs they split these two and they
split the twelve bills into like two sets

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of four all right, so there's
two crs that expire on two different dates.

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This is like some strategy thing that's
the forty chess, but which obviously

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I don't buy into. But there's
going to be. There would be if

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we don't do a CR or an
omnibus or something we should be doing twelve

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separate bills, there would be some
kind of partial shutdown in March, and

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then in the second or third week
there would be the rest of the government

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would shut down. But you know, I've been there twelve year, and

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here's what they do, Gary,
Jeff. They they come in and they

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scare everybody and they say, you
need to vote for the shut or for

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this omnibus bill. Yeah, and
it's got a lot of crap you don't

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agree with. But if you don't
vote for it, the shutdown will happen.

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The soldiers won't get paid, you
know, the air traffic controllers,

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you know that that'll shut down.
Like they give you this apocalyptic scenario,

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and that's pretty effective at scaring a
lot of my colleagues. Enough of them,

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and then the Democrats as well,
they love more spending and big omnibus

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bills, so that's how they get
a majority in the House of Representatives to

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go for the omnibus bill every year, and it's like groundhog Day. And

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I decided last year, let's change
the rules of the game. So when

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they wanted to raise the debt limit, I said, okay, if you

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want to want this to go through
Rules Committee, which I serve on now

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regards us the weather, I vote
for this thing when it gets to the

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floor or not. If you want
it to go through the Rules Committee so

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it can get to the floor,
then you have to add a provision which

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says all of government discretionary spending will
be cut by one percent if six months

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from now you're still doing CRS.
Okay, now here's the It was my

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plan. So you know, I
may think it's more brilliant than it is,

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but let me explain what's happening now. If they do a CR that

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goes past April thirtieth, all of
government gets cut one percent, yes,

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and yes, all of discretionary.
And I know people who are listening say

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one percent, you need to cut
it, ten percent, you need to

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cut it thirty percent, and they're
right. But Joe Biden has signed that

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one percent cut into law. So
here's what gives us the high ground of

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Speaker Johnson will use it. If
we just merely put a CR on the

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table for the rest of the year, the Democrats have to vote for that.

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How can they argue against a bill
that basically just cut copy paste Nancy

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Pelosi spending from last year to this
year. I mean, we could basically

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just be carbon copying their last budget. That's what a CR is. So

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they would have to vote for it. But when April thirtieth comes, everything

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would get cut one percent. And
not because we have to put anything special

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in this CR. It's because they've
already agreed to it last summer as a

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condition of getting the debt limit bill
through the Rules Committee that I serve on.

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So it's not forty chess, it's
just checkers thinking six months ahead.

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And we are almost to that point
where you get that one percent cut,

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and Joe Biden can't go on TV
and say this is austerity, this is

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evil because he signed it into law
last summer. Now, what I'm afraid

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they'll do, and what I know
they're planning to do if we can't stop

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them, is they're planning to do
an omnibus this month, this coming month,

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in March and they're planning to spend
somewhere around sixty billion dollars more than

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Nancy Pelosi spent in the biggest budget
she ever passed. Wow, and we

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control the House. We should not
be doing that. The reason they want

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to do that is they're afraid of
the Senate. But I'm making my case

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to Speaker Johnson and their people in
Ohio represented in Ohio like Warren Davidson and

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Jim Jordan who are making the same
case to Speaker Johnson with me, that

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in order to gain the high ground, we should let them throw us in

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that briar patch, do the continuing
Resolution and wait for the one percent cut

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to kick in in April. And
then at that point they are going to

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squeal, They're going to squirm,
and there and there will be willing to

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negotiate for policy the things that we
need to get done in America, like

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securing the border. Uh So,
But and then if they don't agree to

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secure the border, then they get
everything cut one percent and they get zero

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ear marks, no ear marks.
Well, this sounds like a wonderful plan.

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Finally, there is a plan that
has some some semblance of fiscal responsibility.

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Tom, You're swimming. You're swimming
with a with minnows a term you

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coin a majority majority in name only? Why now we know? We know

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that the Democrats are populated by leftist
and Marxists who you know, don't really

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have the interest of their constituents at
heart generally, or they'll they'll sell it

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that way, but the results say
differently. Republicans, on the other hand,

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seem clueless as what to do when
they have a leadership role. And

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it seems that way again. And
as your listeners are probably familiar with the

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term rhino, we have lots of
rhinos in Washington, d C. Republican

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and know him only. But I
coined this term mino a couple of weeks

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ago because I just feel like we're
the Jordy and name only at this point.

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You know, when Nancy Pelosi's in
the majority, she gets the Democrats

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to jump through hoops like poodles.
They line up and do the thing.

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We are having a hard time getting
any kind of consensus in the House,

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But you know, I don't.
Mike Johnson, our speaker, was put

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in a difficult situation. I do
not think we should have changed horses in

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the middle of the stream. I
don't think we should have vacated Kevin McCarthy

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when we did, because, frankly, he was working on the twelve separate

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bills. He helped me get this
one percent cut into law as a condition

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of the debt limit increase. He
was thinking ahead, and then they took

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him, shot him out of the
saddle. So now we've got Mike Johnson

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who doesn't have the tools to keep
the majority in line. You know,

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when the speaker becomes a speaker at
the beginning of a Congress, there are

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people who feel indebted to him because
he helped them win their elections. There

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are people who feel indebted to him
because he put them on certain committees that

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he could take them off of.
There is none of that allegiance that exists

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right now. You're saying, you're
saying he doesn't have leverage. He doesn't

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have a carrot, and he doesn't
and he's not willing to use the stick,

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and so he has no leverage.
I've heard, I've heard the man

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speak, and I have immense respect
for him, especially as a believing Christian

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and some of the things that he's
put forth and kind of stood fast.

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But you're right, if he cannot
leave from a speaker's position because he doesn't

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have the carrit or the stick.
Then I get your point absolutely well.

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And here's just an example of a
couple of things that have happened as a

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consequence of that. We were going
to reform the FISA program. That's a

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Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act. That's the
program that's supposed to be used to spy

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on foreigners without a warrant. But
they've figured out a way. They think

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it's a legal loophole. I think
they're running through the constitution. Though they

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running over the constitution. They have
used this Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act to survive

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to surveil Americans without using a warrant. And so Jim Jordan made this a

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priority to fix in our Judiciary Committee. I now serve on that committee with

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Jim Jordan. We put a warrant
provision in that program, and we wanted

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to bring that bill to the floor. The Intel Committee, which is actually

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chaired by another Ohioan, Mike Turner, Yeah, disagreed with this. They

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said, no, take the warrant
provision out and we'll put that. We'll

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put the FISA bill on the floor
and then you guys vote on whether to

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put the war you can have a
vote of the whole House of Representatives on

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whether to put the warrant provision back
in. Well, that feels a little

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bit putting the Constitution in jeopardy,
but we agreed to those terms of engagement.

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This was a couple of weeks ago. We were going to bring the

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bill to the floor. We was
coming through the Rules committee that I serve

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on, and the Intel Committee just
said, we're going to take the whole

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bill down if you bring this to
the floor. So they threatened to basically

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shut everything down, and so instead
of bringing the bill to the floor,

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we ended Congress early. Mike Johnson
said, Okay, we're done, no

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more things to vote on, and
we went home early right before this latest

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recess without having taken up that warrant
provision because basically, Mike Turner and some

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of the other Intel Committee folks just
threatened to shut the whole process down if

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we proceeded even on the rules of
engagement parliamentary engagement that they had demanded.

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So what was what was the reason
that Mike Turner, for example, didn't

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want to take the the warrant thing
out of the Explain that to me again.

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Well, why why Mike Turner doesn't
want to have the warrant in there?

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Yeah, and why didn't want to
still allow to have a vote on

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whether to put the warrant in the
warrant requirement in there, right because they

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want the status quo. The the
Intel Committee is responsible for oversight over CIA

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NSA outwardly directed Intel just activities.
The Fights of program falls under the jurisdiction

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of the Intel Committee and the Judiciary
of Committee, and we are responsible for

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the intelligence operations that are directed at
civilians. In other words, the FBI

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and the Intel Committee, frankly,
they're over writing their jurisdiction. They're trying

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to legislate in an area where they
don't have jurisdiction. Want that because the

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FBI has their ear on the Intel
Committee. They're supposed to be doing oversight

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of the intelligence agencies and the Executive
Branch, but I feel like they are

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captured by the Intelligence agency. It
sounds like the FBI is doing oversight on

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the Oversight Committee. Yes, yes, yes, I wanted to ask you

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someone we're talking to, Thomas Massey. By the way, real quick,

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if we had a police officer and
everybody's living room, we'd all be safer,

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but we agree that's not how we
want to live in this country.

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Hell no, all right, Tom, you you caught flak on previous funding

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measures for for not supporting Israel.
Can you tell me about foreign aid and

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what's going on in the in the
in the Congress and why this has been

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so contentious and why you have been
against this foreign aid because I again,

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you're you're championing things that I believe
in too, so I appreciate it,

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but just explain yourself on this on
Ukraine and Israel specifically. Sure. So,

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we've we've probably had two dozen votes
on Israel. I'm sorry, let

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me do Israel. Second, we
probably had two dozen votes on Ukraine.

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Yeah, and I have voted no
on every one of those. That is

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not our conflict. The Europeans,
if they cared, they need to fund

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that. Uh. And I've just
been against it. Even before the war

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started, I was against it.
And so by the way, we can't

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afford it. You can't. This
is the other thing. You can't balance

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the budget and send tens of billions
of dollars overseas. And now we're at

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the point in Ukraine where we're not
just paying for the lethal aid. We

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are paying pensions for government retired government
workers in the country of Ukraine. The

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Ukrainian government. Why Why Because because
this whole war has devastated their entire economy

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so much and hollowed out their coffers, that they don't have money to pay

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the pensions of the people who've retired
from their own government. So why There

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is no good reason. I'm just
telling what's happening, all right, So

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let's let's let's do let's do Israel. Yeah, So what they've decided now

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is, you know, typically we've
spend about it's about three point eight billion

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dollars a year to Israel. They
received more financial aid from the United States

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than any other country right now that
we're out of Afghanistan used to be Afghanistan,

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but Israel's the number one recipient of
US four and eight. I'm not

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particularly for that. I've never been
for foreign aid to any country. This

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year, there was that three billion
dollars in our own defense funding, so

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and I voted for our own defense
bill, even though I disagreed with some

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of the things in it when it
was one of twelve separate bills. Right,

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Okay, But they've decided that now
instead of three point eight billion,

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they need fourteen billion, which became
seventeen billion, and Speaker Johnson had a

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plan to pay for it. He's
gone offset from this extra money that goes

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to IRS. I did not vote
for the seventeen billion, but it did

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make it through the House with that
offset. Now they're trying to remove the

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offset and just send them the money
with no concept of how that's going to

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be offset anywhere in the budget right
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knowledge, so it's not classified,
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it. Our small arms manufacturers are
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who are most vulnerable in Israel,
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happening because they don't want the people
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the fourteen or seventeen billion dollars of
additional money that's in addition to the three

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point eight that's in our own defense
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money is all for things that raytheon
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enrich the military industrial complex, which
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Sure enough, some of that money
will come back to Ohio and Kentucky and

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your listeners in Indiana. But that
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all of the money. And then
it's ultimately getting drained and going overseas,

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and if it's in the case of
munitions, it's being blown up. Finally,

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finally, Thomas, I'm just I'm
just I'm just go ahead, please

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finish, just to close that out. The attack that you saw Hamas do

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on Israel is despicable, but you
weren't going to stop that with these things

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that you buy from Raytheon. You
need it. You needed small arms.

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You need soldiers on the border and
a better wall and being prepared for it

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right, uh, real quickly.
But I'm sorry, time's so short,

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man, and we don't have a
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uh on the border. Joe Biden
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can do. He's done everything he
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needs more and more and more money, of course. And now and most

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people like me and you who have
paid attention over the years and know how

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the government works and what an executive
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what he did on day one when
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got into the Oval office yea,
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the border, and we not we
would not have seen this invasion at all.

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And now he's correct. Now he's
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well, maybe I'll just use my
executive fen to sign Well, Joe,

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why didn't you do that three years
ago? Yeah, the remain in Mexico

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policy. There's three other different policies
that he could implement that he just fails

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to do. And you know what
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to use the extra money for is
just to process more of these claims quicker

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and bring them into the country quicker
yep. Or to give bunny to NGOs

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who are actually helping them in their
in their travel through Mexico. Oh,

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the n g os you mean the
cartel's partners. Yes, their partners,

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they're partners. Yes, all those
good charities who are partnering with the illegal

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uh human human smuggling, drug smuggling
cartels. Answer, that's great here and

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if and if you don't believe any
of that. Here, here's the best

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evidence he's insincere when he says that
he can't do anything. The one thing

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he is doing is taking down what
Texas has tried to erect to keep the

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illegal aliens from overrunning taxes. Exactly
he did. That's how you know he's

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in sincere. And he says he
can't do anything because the thing he is

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actively doing is trying to let them
in. By the way, we could

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address that problem in the next spending
bill, whether it's an omnibus or whether

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it's twelve separate bills, or whether
it's a cr All you need is one

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sentence that says, none of the
money hereby appropriated to the executive branch can

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be used to disassemble barriers erected on
the border by the States. Thomas Massy,

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thank you very much. I love
your one sentence bills too. Take

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care. Thomas Massey from the fourth
Congressional District in Kentucky, my representative on

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the nightcam News, Traffic and weather
News Radio seven hundred WL Cincinnati. Stepping

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into block of merger with the nine
point thirty report, I'm Sean Gallagher breaking

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now the nearly twenty five billion dollar
merger between Cincinnati bas Kroger and Albertson is

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in a lawsuit it would eliminate competition
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the merger will actually benefit consumers.
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for sale, so if not Kroger, than whom. But a different view

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by Eleanor Fox is an anti trust
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will probably get a lot of bargaining
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in the fall of twenty twenty two. Now the latest traffic in weather together

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right now taking a look at the
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near reports of accidents. Now,
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Radio seven hundred WLW Welt of Claude. Right now, our current temperature is

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fifty eight degrees. Cincinnati Police investigating
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the NFL franchise tag. It's a
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Higgins has over thirty six hundred yards
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he's glad that he'll be sticking around
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offense. I'm Ricky Yuchino, who's
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League action for the Reds today as
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coverage to two thirty five on Fox
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hired just shouldn't talk about going to
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to thing about it when you're rolling
Showman thre WLW. One thing I enjoyed

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doing every once in a while on
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I conducted over the years with the
late and I truly mean Great low Ponte.

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He was a great writer, thinker, He was a fantastic man.

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He was a personal friend of mine, and when he passed at well just

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before twenty twenty three, it was
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grateful to God that he allowed me
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who was also somewhat of a prophet. Let's listen to an interview from

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January tenth, twenty twenty two.
As my wife Chris to two point zero

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is being tucked into bed right now
or hereabouts, she loves to listen to

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Lowell's voice. So honeysweet dreams here
once again, an interview with the Great

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Loll Ponte on the Nightcap. Welcome
back into the Nightcap. And because you

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asked for it, well somebody did. Maybe it was me who asked for

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it, because I asked for it. A full hour of Ponte power pontification

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from the highest level, from one
of the best sources I could think of,

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or somebody who will actually talk to
me still, the Great Loll Ponte,

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author and racconteur, longtime editor and
columnist, and my friend Loll Ponte

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joins us for the entire eleven o'clock
hour on tonight's night Cap. Good evening,

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mister Ponte, what a pleasure to
be here as always, well,

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you know, and I can never
come up with a magnanimous enough intro for

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you, so I'm just reaching looking
for, you know, higher and higher

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levels of worship and kudos that you
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Now, well, the challenge.
The challenge is just to settle on a

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topic and do a lot of research
on it, that's all. And you

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have definitely demonstrated the ability to do
that. And thank goodness you have because

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because I really don't have that kind
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do it, especially if they're bored
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case, this is an amazing day
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document from a Nobel Prize winning scientist, Luke Montaignier, winner of the two

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thousand and eight Nobel Prize in Physiology
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that while people are debating should we
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he has found that in the case
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that they lose essentially all their positive
ability to hold back COVID after about

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thirty days. Wow, And that
after thirty days, by ninety days,

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this is the part you would find
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actually, if you have taken the
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down with COVID than if you had
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actually, it actually is a pandemic
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about, you know, that would
spread disease, or that doctor Fauci and

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the philosophy of Faucism was teaching,
if you have a Christmas party, you

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have created an event potentially that could
spread the disease. Well, it now

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turns out that taking the vaccine may
spread the disease. And this is from

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a Nobel laureate scientist. Yeah,
he's not exactly a slouch, and he's

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not a YouTube troll giving misinformation to
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at Facebook or whatever it now calls
itself or Twitter or like they are,

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we have nineteen year old student radicals
who know nothing about life or science willing

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to censor this Nobel laureate scientists because
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disease. According to the head of
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a day or two ago that seventy
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four or more co morbidities such as
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problems such as cancer and cancer chemotherapy. So, in other words, these

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people are not really dying of COVID
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cases, they're dying of a combination
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have killed them, but they just
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of the stars COVID two a coronavirus. Well, as you and I have

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discussed though in the past, the
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money incentives to any hospital in New
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dollars per hospital. In Montana,
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thousand dollars for every case that they
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death certificate. So there was a
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on COVID admitted in a Fox interview
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like, no later than a more
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five percent of the people they had
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for some reason other than COVID.
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quite powerful. They were documented cases
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when their body was dragged to the
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of COVID infection. There was a
case of murder suicide famously in Grand County,

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Colorado, where a husband shot his
wife and shot himself and they were

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both listed as COVID nineteen deaths by
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or as a Bill Clinton political consultant
put it, you drank one hundred dollars

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through a trailer park, and it's
amazing what you can pick up. So

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the government was raging thousands, even
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and it was amazing how many deaths
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this, lol, because it becomes very

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personal if someone you know has died
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COVID and they obviously had a respiratory
infection, whether it's COVID or not.

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being doled out by people who have
more pedigree to know what's going on than

406
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you and I, and they still
go, well, my mother passed of

407
00:34:42.400 --> 00:34:46.719
COVID and it's not pleasant and it's
not good. In other words, their

408
00:34:46.800 --> 00:34:52.760
emotions get in the way because of
their personal experience of the actual facts and

409
00:34:53.320 --> 00:34:58.239
what this actually is, don't they. I'm not saying that COVID did not

410
00:34:58.559 --> 00:35:04.880
influence no their relatives having a tragic
death. I mean, obviously COVID is

411
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not a nice disease, except in
its current form, where it's more like

412
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the common cold, running nose and
a sore throat. Yeah, but for

413
00:35:15.639 --> 00:35:21.719
instance, we had what last Friday, was it, Supreme Court Justice Sonya

414
00:35:21.800 --> 00:35:30.000
Sotomayor declaring that there were at least
one hundred thousand children in American hospitals,

415
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many of them on ventilators, she
declared, and all on the verge of

416
00:35:35.039 --> 00:35:40.400
dyne. The CDC actually debunks what
she said. The fact sector and said,

417
00:35:40.480 --> 00:35:45.119
no, this is not anywhere close
to correct. What are you talking

418
00:35:45.159 --> 00:35:50.440
about, lady, Well, let
me do their own exact statistics. Yes,

419
00:35:50.679 --> 00:35:54.960
for disease Control said at the moment
SODO mayor spoke. According to their

420
00:35:55.039 --> 00:36:01.880
statistics, there were three thousand,
seven hundred hundred young people, not one

421
00:36:01.960 --> 00:36:07.039
hundred thousand young people. And this
is in the country of it more than

422
00:36:07.079 --> 00:36:14.840
three hundred and thirty million people.
And if their own director's analysis is correct,

423
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we are likely looking at in the
death risk anyway, three quarters of

424
00:36:21.280 --> 00:36:27.760
those who are severely infected suffering from
a series of comorbidities, any one of

425
00:36:27.840 --> 00:36:31.639
which could be the cause of death. Well, we've not been honest too

426
00:36:31.880 --> 00:36:37.679
about one of those co morbidities that
has been associated with a good mini listed

427
00:36:37.800 --> 00:36:43.079
COVID nineteen deaths, and that is
gross obesity. We have a problem in

428
00:36:43.159 --> 00:36:47.199
this country saying that people are overweight, or you know, to use the

429
00:36:47.320 --> 00:36:53.039
most common term fat, which of
course has been poo. Food is politically

430
00:36:53.119 --> 00:36:57.719
incorrect, And you can't call anyone
fat, you can't fat shame anyone.

431
00:36:58.199 --> 00:37:04.800
But it is true that one of
the populations that has mostly been severely affected

432
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by this infection lull. They all
have that in common is gross obesity.

433
00:37:09.840 --> 00:37:14.039
And no, but you made a
very important point there, as you so

434
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often do, Gary Jiff, and
that is we are now told by the

435
00:37:17.719 --> 00:37:23.800
politically correct that you cannot fat shame
people. That's another way of saying you

436
00:37:23.880 --> 00:37:30.440
cannot bring peer pressure on them to
lose weight, to stop eating as much

437
00:37:30.480 --> 00:37:36.639
as they eat. Now, an
extremely obese person, I suppose has the

438
00:37:36.760 --> 00:37:39.840
right to be obese. You might
get one of those cable television shows where

439
00:37:39.840 --> 00:37:45.320
you talk about you and your sister
each weigh in a thousand pounds. I've

440
00:37:45.360 --> 00:37:47.559
seen the promos. Wonderful. I've
never watched that once, but I've seen

441
00:37:47.599 --> 00:37:52.280
the promos and I was just like, a really okay, people are into

442
00:37:52.320 --> 00:38:00.000
this apparently. Point is the politically
correct are enablers of obesity because they attack

443
00:38:00.559 --> 00:38:05.480
those who would fat shame people who
would encourage them not to be as fat

444
00:38:05.480 --> 00:38:08.920
as they are. That is a
kind of peer pressure that in that case

445
00:38:09.079 --> 00:38:16.239
might be beneficial, but they are
not allowed to apply that peer pressure because

446
00:38:16.280 --> 00:38:21.280
it's so wrong to do that,
even if it may cost the person's life.

447
00:38:22.440 --> 00:38:25.679
So you can decide for yourself.
The Biden administration, at the same

448
00:38:25.840 --> 00:38:32.159
time it plays these games, is
actively supporting the left point of view that

449
00:38:32.320 --> 00:38:37.320
one must not In fact, I
imagine there's even an office at the CDC

450
00:38:37.519 --> 00:38:44.880
which has recently issued a directory of
language you should not use. I'm sure

451
00:38:45.000 --> 00:38:52.559
that includes language that constitutes fat shaming. So they're prohibiting people from actually using

452
00:38:52.599 --> 00:39:00.719
the problem that Biden himself is facilitating
death from COVID by not put any pressure

453
00:39:00.800 --> 00:39:05.559
on people who were overweight. Yeah, and then instead, you know,

454
00:39:05.719 --> 00:39:07.400
trying to force them to get the
jab in their arm, which, as

455
00:39:07.480 --> 00:39:13.320
you mentioned at the top of this
conversation, may actually increase the likelihood of

456
00:39:13.480 --> 00:39:19.480
you getting the disease as a fully
vaccinated and boosted person, at least through

457
00:39:19.559 --> 00:39:22.559
the Pfizer and the Madonna Yeah,
go ahead. Yeah. As a footnote,

458
00:39:22.639 --> 00:39:28.599
we should add one proviso here,
and that is the government, including

459
00:39:28.679 --> 00:39:37.360
the CDC in company, years ago, issued its conclusion that eating fat was

460
00:39:37.480 --> 00:39:44.480
bad for your health, and so
the food industry promptly sought out other ways

461
00:39:44.559 --> 00:39:47.960
of making the food it was selling
palatable and what did it choose, Well,

462
00:39:49.159 --> 00:39:52.360
it gave you no fat or low
fat food, but food with higher

463
00:39:52.480 --> 00:39:59.719
levels of sugar in it. Not
good because diabetic like imbalances, and of

464
00:39:59.760 --> 00:40:07.400
course diabet diabetes is one of those
potential mortalities. Yeah. Co morbidities with

465
00:40:07.519 --> 00:40:10.960
COVID, yes, no morbidities yes. So as a result, we are

466
00:40:12.079 --> 00:40:15.840
seeing that the government encouraged the changeover
from fat, which it turns out is

467
00:40:15.840 --> 00:40:19.400
actually quite good for you. I
mean, when you call someone a fat

468
00:40:19.480 --> 00:40:23.400
head, that could be a compliment
because about a third of your entire brain

469
00:40:23.639 --> 00:40:30.159
is fat. I mean, fat
is essential to health. So if you're

470
00:40:30.440 --> 00:40:32.880
if you eat, if you were
eating someone's brain, it might be delicious

471
00:40:34.599 --> 00:40:37.760
because of all the fat. I
might also give you kuru. The disease

472
00:40:38.039 --> 00:40:45.119
from New Guinea that is like the
slow disease in American deer and other thing.

473
00:40:46.199 --> 00:40:52.440
It's like the Great Beef slow disease
that people were panicked over the way,

474
00:40:52.599 --> 00:40:58.880
the mad cow disease. Yeah,
the Jacops Crutchfeled disease, an article

475
00:40:58.920 --> 00:41:02.880
about which I wrote and readers digest
so well. I'm I could remember things

476
00:41:04.000 --> 00:41:08.800
easily, I could discourse. I
do I do. I do appreciate you

477
00:41:09.039 --> 00:41:14.800
bringing that to my attention, but
I thought you did it specifically because you

478
00:41:14.880 --> 00:41:17.679
thought I might want to eat a
human brain. I have no desire.

479
00:41:20.239 --> 00:41:25.400
Well, I'm reassured and deeply jumported
by learning that in any event, we

480
00:41:25.559 --> 00:41:30.079
have this challenge. Oh, by
the way, so the mayor, I

481
00:41:30.159 --> 00:41:36.599
think, if you have a Supreme
Court justice as wrong as she was,

482
00:41:36.880 --> 00:41:40.320
as wrong as Briar was in his
similar panic. See, this is one

483
00:41:40.360 --> 00:41:45.599
thing that's very common on the left. Researchers have found if you ask a

484
00:41:45.719 --> 00:41:51.280
leftist how many people are at risk
of dying over of this this COVID disease,

485
00:41:51.880 --> 00:41:57.840
they will answer fifty percent, sixty
percent, whatever, when in fact,

486
00:41:57.920 --> 00:42:05.159
a miniscule fraction of one percent of
the population on average is at risk

487
00:42:05.239 --> 00:42:09.639
of dying theoretically, and among children, among people say under twenty years of

488
00:42:09.719 --> 00:42:16.159
age, the risk is essentially zero. And yet we have this obsession with

489
00:42:16.360 --> 00:42:22.159
forcing young people. It's down to
age two now that they're pushing forward,

490
00:42:22.280 --> 00:42:25.320
amazing, it will soon insists on
disgusting your child while it's still in the

491
00:42:25.440 --> 00:42:31.679
womb. It's disgusting well, especially
since the vaccine may in fact cause the

492
00:42:31.800 --> 00:42:37.079
disease or may cause variance of it. And it's the variants that are now

493
00:42:37.119 --> 00:42:44.159
a major problem for us. This
Nobel laureent you quoted, this Nobel Prize

494
00:42:44.199 --> 00:42:51.039
winner in Physical and Health that you
mentioned at the top, Who said,

495
00:42:51.400 --> 00:42:58.039
who made this claim about the vaccines
actually making it more likely you could contract

496
00:42:58.559 --> 00:43:06.760
the COVID infection afters did he give
any specific reason? What was a specific

497
00:43:06.920 --> 00:43:14.880
reason this was occurring. I've heard
of something called immuological confusion that these spike

498
00:43:14.960 --> 00:43:19.199
protein vaccines, like the ones that
are out now may cause in a human

499
00:43:19.280 --> 00:43:23.400
body. Well, I don't recall
the term he used, but what it

500
00:43:23.440 --> 00:43:29.719
amounts to is, if you create
an ata body to a virus that's in

501
00:43:29.840 --> 00:43:35.719
your body, the virus will respond
by endeavoring to mutate, because after all,

502
00:43:35.760 --> 00:43:40.559
the virus wants to live, yes, And as a result, mutation

503
00:43:40.760 --> 00:43:46.639
of the virus is speeded up by
that process. Now, if you had

504
00:43:47.360 --> 00:43:52.639
natural immunity, if you had caught
the disease and your body responded, your

505
00:43:52.719 --> 00:43:59.800
body responds with all kinds of different
antibodies, so the virus faces a challenge,

506
00:44:00.119 --> 00:44:04.639
can be killed or driven out.
But if you are only dealing with

507
00:44:04.760 --> 00:44:12.320
the spike protein as these modern modern
aphis or vaccines do. Then the virus

508
00:44:12.400 --> 00:44:19.039
simply finds a way around that,
sure, and as a result you wind

509
00:44:19.119 --> 00:44:24.440
up with a significantly different virus.
The general tendency in natural virus is to

510
00:44:24.519 --> 00:44:30.000
become more infectious but less lethal,
And this too is part of the logic.

511
00:44:30.119 --> 00:44:37.159
You know, if not all parasites
and virus do act like parasites in

512
00:44:37.239 --> 00:44:43.119
the human body, not all are
as dumb as missiletoe, which is quite

513
00:44:43.239 --> 00:44:47.119
capable of killing the tree that it
has built a home on. Now,

514
00:44:47.159 --> 00:44:52.320
of course the tree dies, then
you die, right as the missilete.

515
00:44:52.039 --> 00:44:57.519
So normally the pattern of a virus
is to become less lethal. You don't

516
00:44:57.519 --> 00:45:05.039
want to kill the host ideally,
and so you mutate in a direction that's

517
00:45:05.119 --> 00:45:09.440
more infectious, that can spread faster, but that is less deadly. And

518
00:45:09.599 --> 00:45:13.559
that now is for the most part, what we're seeing. The exception.

519
00:45:14.079 --> 00:45:19.760
Course, we're plunging into winter,
and every year as we plunge into winter,

520
00:45:20.360 --> 00:45:27.039
there are more covid like diseases,
common colds and the like that strike

521
00:45:27.199 --> 00:45:32.199
us because we tend to go indoors
with other people lol. Lol. Last

522
00:45:32.280 --> 00:45:37.119
week, I'm listening to the top
of the hour news, which I rarely

523
00:45:37.199 --> 00:45:43.719
do anymore, even on our station, and the announcer the newscasters said,

524
00:45:44.719 --> 00:45:50.480
there are almost as many cases as
there were last year at this time.

525
00:45:50.840 --> 00:45:55.039
Well, imagine that just exactly what
you're saying, what you're pointing out,

526
00:45:55.559 --> 00:46:00.800
it's a seasonal endemic. Now it's
not a pandemic anymore. It's an endemic,

527
00:46:00.880 --> 00:46:06.360
and the omicron proves that. And
more and more people are professional doctor

528
00:46:06.440 --> 00:46:10.519
people, researchers are saying this very
exactly. But if Joe Biden gets his

529
00:46:10.760 --> 00:46:17.840
way, and if millions more are
mass vaccinated, that will accelerate the creation

530
00:46:19.000 --> 00:46:22.280
of variants which could be much more
serious. Absolutely, listen, Lowel,

531
00:46:22.320 --> 00:46:27.320
we got to take a break for
the half hour news. You will come

532
00:46:27.440 --> 00:46:34.280
back right, absolutely wonderful. Lowell
Ponte is our guest. This is the

533
00:46:34.400 --> 00:46:38.159
nightcap more right after the eleven thirty
news, which is coming up on seven

534
00:46:38.239 --> 00:46:43.639
hundred WLW. Fellas, if you've
been feeling tired, grumpy, maybe notice

535
00:46:43.679 --> 00:46:49.039
a lack of motivation, drive into
another hour on seven hundred WLW, Gary,

536
00:46:49.119 --> 00:46:52.679
Jeff Walker back, which you and
I got to tell you of all

537
00:46:52.760 --> 00:46:57.800
the key landmark guests that we've had
in this program. This guy's been one

538
00:46:57.840 --> 00:47:00.760
of the more impactful on me,
and he will from the truth in the

539
00:47:00.880 --> 00:47:05.079
data that he has brought out.
He is the executive director of the CO

540
00:47:05.360 --> 00:47:09.440
two Coalition, a geologist, the
author of Inconvenient Facts several years ago,

541
00:47:09.760 --> 00:47:15.400
which was a multiple times best selling
book on climate and the actual data,

542
00:47:15.519 --> 00:47:22.599
the scientific data on climate, and
now A very Convenient Warming, his latest

543
00:47:22.639 --> 00:47:28.039
book, How Modest Warming and more
CO two are benefiting humanity. CO two

544
00:47:28.159 --> 00:47:31.239
is not a poison. It's necessary, folks, time to listen up and

545
00:47:31.920 --> 00:47:36.440
listen to the actual truth. And
that's what's come out of the UN or

546
00:47:37.199 --> 00:47:43.800
the WEF or any of these other
places where their scientific research has been bolstered

547
00:47:43.840 --> 00:47:47.800
by lots of money, people who
have an agenda, my opinion, to

548
00:47:47.920 --> 00:47:52.039
push a certain narrative, which is, you know, man is killing the

549
00:47:52.119 --> 00:47:58.159
planet, fossil fuels are killing the
planet. This just does not, simply,

550
00:47:59.440 --> 00:48:01.760
this does not seem to be true
at all. If you look at

551
00:48:01.800 --> 00:48:10.039
the data that Greg writes, Stone
and his other cohorts and the references in

552
00:48:10.159 --> 00:48:15.800
this book will show you plainly if
you don't have it and you have questions,

553
00:48:15.039 --> 00:48:20.000
and as Greg says, Greg,
I got to tell you I was

554
00:48:20.159 --> 00:48:22.920
talking with someone else who was kind
of on the side of the facts and

555
00:48:23.039 --> 00:48:29.000
not a side of the climate cult
or agenda that's being pushed. You're a

556
00:48:29.079 --> 00:48:31.159
strong proponent too, of the scientific
process. The caller said, well,

557
00:48:31.199 --> 00:48:36.760
why don't you just show both sides. When did protecting the planet become political?

558
00:48:37.199 --> 00:48:39.440
And I said, well, the
other side is on display all the

559
00:48:39.519 --> 00:48:43.960
time, this side is not,
and you are a proponent of that.

560
00:48:44.159 --> 00:48:47.159
Let both sides be fairly heard.
So in an effort to do just that,

561
00:48:47.360 --> 00:48:51.239
we have got you back. Greg
Writestone, Good evening and welcome back

562
00:48:51.280 --> 00:48:53.599
to the show. Yeah, you're
right. The other side, those that

563
00:48:53.679 --> 00:49:00.199
are promoting this false theory, as
it turns out, of man made than

564
00:49:00.239 --> 00:49:05.559
climate catastrophe, just they get they
get their message promoted twenty four to seven

565
00:49:05.639 --> 00:49:10.760
by the mainstream media. While we
are silenced. Those of us with we

566
00:49:10.920 --> 00:49:16.000
call ourselves climate royalists, they'll call
us science denials. Nothing to be further

567
00:49:16.119 --> 00:49:20.440
from the truth. So thank you
for having me on. I appreciate it.

568
00:49:20.960 --> 00:49:24.079
Well, the science denial is actually
coming from the other side that's calling

569
00:49:24.199 --> 00:49:30.639
us climate deniers or science deniers,
and it's it's all bast backwards, just

570
00:49:30.719 --> 00:49:35.960
from the the information that you brought
forth and many many other sources are now

571
00:49:36.519 --> 00:49:42.119
you know, starting to a little
bit come around anyway, First, go

572
00:49:42.400 --> 00:49:45.280
ahead, what'd you have? I
say, we'll just get into it here.

573
00:49:45.400 --> 00:49:49.840
I know you want to talk about
historical data and human history. And

574
00:49:50.480 --> 00:49:54.159
so when we do talk about be
thinking about this, they call us a

575
00:49:54.320 --> 00:50:00.960
science denial and I'm a scientists,
but I would call them history redni ers

576
00:50:00.480 --> 00:50:06.800
because when we look at actual history, it doesn't conform at all with what

577
00:50:06.920 --> 00:50:15.079
their contentions of unusual and unprecedented warming. Well from the data that is on

578
00:50:15.239 --> 00:50:19.679
display in your book of very Convenient
Warming, I want to before we get

579
00:50:19.719 --> 00:50:24.119
to human and what humanity has been
benefited from over time, whether it's warming

580
00:50:24.239 --> 00:50:30.119
or cooling, the correlation of which
there is no correlation for three hundred and

581
00:50:30.199 --> 00:50:35.639
sixty years. I'm looking at this
chart here, page forty four, Figure

582
00:50:35.760 --> 00:50:44.119
thirty two between temperature global temperature and
atmospheric CO two parts per million. One

583
00:50:44.159 --> 00:50:47.800
of the things that is always pushed
by the other side of this issue,

584
00:50:47.840 --> 00:50:53.480
Greg, is that the warming temperatures
increase the CO two levels in the atmosphere,

585
00:50:53.480 --> 00:50:58.239
and that just is simply not true
if you look at the actual data

586
00:50:58.280 --> 00:51:02.039
between temperatures and the carbon dioxide in
points parts per million in our atmosphere.

587
00:51:02.159 --> 00:51:06.960
Right, I'm looking at this,
that's right, And we can in the

588
00:51:07.000 --> 00:51:14.239
book I capture how it's incorrect that
CO two is driving temperature increases. Whether

589
00:51:14.239 --> 00:51:19.000
it's looked on tens of years,
hundreds thousands, or millions of years,

590
00:51:19.639 --> 00:51:22.239
there's just there's just no correlation between
it. In fact, in many cases

591
00:51:22.239 --> 00:51:27.280
it's just been the opposite. We
know over the last eight hundred thousand years,

592
00:51:27.360 --> 00:51:32.079
actually temperature was driving carbon dioxide levels. That's changed all since the middle

593
00:51:32.079 --> 00:51:37.519
of the twentieth century because we started
adding huge amounts of CO too, thankfully

594
00:51:37.679 --> 00:51:44.119
to the atmosphere, and so so
now this increase in CO two is from

595
00:51:44.159 --> 00:51:47.360
our burning the fossil fuels. Prior
to that last eight hundred thousand years,

596
00:51:47.880 --> 00:51:52.599
has temperature increased to cause the oceans
to increase, and in the oceans when

597
00:51:52.639 --> 00:51:58.599
they increase, they expel CO two
kind of You can imagine if you take

598
00:51:59.039 --> 00:52:04.960
a lead container of ginger ale pulled
out of the bridge it barely yes,

599
00:52:05.079 --> 00:52:08.599
here will go off. Put that
out in August on your picnic table in

600
00:52:08.679 --> 00:52:13.039
the sun and open it up.
Man. I think I'll go off like

601
00:52:13.119 --> 00:52:19.679
a volcano because the liquids are expelling
it like you dropped a Mento's tablet into

602
00:52:19.760 --> 00:52:28.920
it just expas. Yeah. So, in this particular chapter, and I

603
00:52:28.960 --> 00:52:30.960
don't know if it's a chapter,
it's a part two of a chapter.

604
00:52:31.679 --> 00:52:37.039
Humanity and Climate is a title Blessed
Warmth Horrific Cold And you start by saying,

605
00:52:37.079 --> 00:52:42.719
are we destined for the catastrophe of
a climate apocalypse due to an unnaturally

606
00:52:42.840 --> 00:52:47.440
warming climate? Or do the prognosticators
of doom have it exactly backwards? Might

607
00:52:47.519 --> 00:52:53.320
a warming planet bring great bounty?
This section will examine the historical consequences of

608
00:52:53.400 --> 00:52:57.519
past warming and cooling to find out
if the Earth and human kind suffered or

609
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benefited from temperature increases over the last
several thousand years. A problem right now

610
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is that a lot of a lot
of younger generations in our society think that

611
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the earth began when they were born, and they're sadly mistaken, as you

612
00:53:15.880 --> 00:53:22.320
talk about them, lacking any historical
context for what has happened. Let's start

613
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with the early human history, going
back to about five thousand BC. What

614
00:53:30.239 --> 00:53:35.119
does the data actually show you.
Well, if we start with the first

615
00:53:35.199 --> 00:53:43.719
great civilizations, they first arose and
profited and bloomed. The great empires and

616
00:53:43.800 --> 00:53:49.719
civilizations was up the first and in
a really warm period called the Minoan Warm

617
00:53:49.840 --> 00:53:53.800
Period. It coincided with the Bronze
Age, and so we had the Assyrians,

618
00:53:53.880 --> 00:54:00.320
the Hittites, the Babylonians in the
Indus River valley was the Corpas Empire

619
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that we may never have heard of
that, but they were a huge empire

620
00:54:06.039 --> 00:54:10.760
in India, in the subcontinent there, China, Egypt, and then it

621
00:54:10.880 --> 00:54:15.119
was much much warmer than it is
today. Oh no, I'm looking at

622
00:54:15.159 --> 00:54:21.440
the chart. It's it's like about
almost ten to five to seven to eight

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00:54:21.559 --> 00:54:27.159
degrees warmer Celsius on average during the
Manolan Warm period. Yeah, I liked.

624
00:54:27.280 --> 00:54:31.039
I like to use historical data.
People understand that the graph you're looking

625
00:54:31.119 --> 00:54:37.920
at was was called proxy data,
and they use oxygen isotopes to do it.

626
00:54:38.079 --> 00:54:43.760
But people don't understand that, but
they do understand historical references. Like

627
00:54:43.880 --> 00:54:49.119
if I tell them that they were
growing a crop called millet and Scandinavia,

628
00:54:50.320 --> 00:54:53.440
it's only grown in subtropical climate,
so it had to we know it had

629
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to be a lot warmer at that
time because of things like that. Just

630
00:54:58.880 --> 00:55:02.239
global historically records of where they were
growing, what kind of crops, and

631
00:55:02.719 --> 00:55:08.000
it was people prospered, great empires
arose, and then it started getting cold,

632
00:55:08.159 --> 00:55:13.559
and it got cold quickly, and
all of these great civilizations, with

633
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the exception of the ancient Egyptian Empire, and they barely survived by the skin

634
00:55:17.239 --> 00:55:22.320
of their teeth. All of these
empires within they think fifty or one hundred

635
00:55:22.360 --> 00:55:25.800
years, all collapsed and it was
related to this cooling effect. And what

636
00:55:25.920 --> 00:55:31.679
we see every time it got cool
colder, we had crop failure, crop

637
00:55:31.719 --> 00:55:37.760
failure, famine, pestilence, and
nasty population. These were horrific times,

638
00:55:37.920 --> 00:55:42.320
the cold periods, and it really
that led to what was called the Greek

639
00:55:42.480 --> 00:55:45.519
Dark Ages, where we really don't
know a whole lot about it because all

640
00:55:45.559 --> 00:55:50.960
these great empires and civilizations and the
scribes kind of went away. It was

641
00:55:51.039 --> 00:55:57.639
masty population and things didn't really recover
in terms of civilization and empires until the

642
00:55:57.840 --> 00:56:02.400
Roman warm period again christ two thousand
years ago. Uh, the Romans were

643
00:56:02.440 --> 00:56:07.679
growing citrus in the north of England. Life was good again. The Roman

644
00:56:07.719 --> 00:56:14.719
empire and in its army marched on
its stomach and there the supplier for Rome

645
00:56:15.639 --> 00:56:19.639
was North Africa, Egypt, Tunisia. We hardly think of them as the

646
00:56:19.719 --> 00:56:23.400
bread basket for the world today,
but at that time they were. And

647
00:56:23.519 --> 00:56:28.880
then again there are a lot of
reasons why the Roman Empire collapsed. Uh

648
00:56:29.159 --> 00:56:32.480
we think that temperature and the cooling
was part of that, and it could

649
00:56:32.519 --> 00:56:39.599
have driven the Germanic peoples come that
came down the increasing cold could have driven

650
00:56:39.639 --> 00:56:45.000
them south into the u to take
over parts of the Roman Empire. But

651
00:56:45.119 --> 00:56:47.679
again when after that, it was
the Dark Age as a cool period with

652
00:56:49.119 --> 00:56:52.639
again crop failure, famine, pestilence, and nasty population. And then the

653
00:56:52.760 --> 00:56:58.760
final warm period before our own was
the Medieval warm time period. Again warm,

654
00:56:59.320 --> 00:57:05.119
life was good, was bountiful.
And then the last cooling period was

655
00:57:05.159 --> 00:57:08.320
the Little Ice Age, and it
was thought to be with pretty good evidence

656
00:57:08.400 --> 00:57:14.119
it was likely the coldest period of
the last ten thousand years. This period

657
00:57:15.000 --> 00:57:20.199
in the sixteenth and seventeenth century,
and we know that again from historic record.

658
00:57:20.360 --> 00:57:23.400
Just for example, I'm calling you
from Arlington, Virginia, in just

659
00:57:23.519 --> 00:57:30.440
eighteen miles south of where I am. Martha and George Washington lived in Mount

660
00:57:30.559 --> 00:57:35.599
Vernon and Martha loved ice in her
summertime, drinks so George constructed an ice

661
00:57:35.679 --> 00:57:38.880
house and they he would have his
slaves and servants down cut the thick ice

662
00:57:38.960 --> 00:57:44.840
out of the Potomac River every winter, and they bring it up in June

663
00:57:45.320 --> 00:57:51.039
August marth they had icebur drinks.
Well, the last time the Potomac even

664
00:57:51.159 --> 00:57:53.719
froze over much less that's solid,
was some twenty five years ago, so

665
00:57:53.840 --> 00:57:58.480
we know we know it was a
lot colder at that period. Again from

666
00:57:58.639 --> 00:58:05.440
historical data and the current period of
modest warming that we're experiencing right now.

667
00:58:05.880 --> 00:58:10.880
And by the way, the CO
two levels in our atmosphere are not historically

668
00:58:12.039 --> 00:58:15.760
high now either, but that's not
necessary. That's not necessarily a good thing,

669
00:58:15.920 --> 00:58:21.199
because the more CO two in the
atmosphere up to a point, the

670
00:58:21.320 --> 00:58:29.440
more the planet animals, plants,
human beings flourish. Yeah, it's we're

671
00:58:29.440 --> 00:58:30.960
at four hundred and twenty parts per
million. I'm not going to throw a

672
00:58:31.000 --> 00:58:35.960
lot of numbers at you, but
that's that's fifty that's a fifty percent increase

673
00:58:36.000 --> 00:58:43.199
since the Industrial Revolution began. And
that's a good thing because the historical historic

674
00:58:43.400 --> 00:58:46.599
levels throughout our history was twenty six
hundred, which is six and a half

675
00:58:46.679 --> 00:58:51.360
times what we are today, if
we look at it in the big picture,

676
00:58:51.400 --> 00:58:55.559
we find out that our current carbon
dioxide levels, we're actually CO two

677
00:58:55.599 --> 00:59:00.199
impoverished. We don't have too much
CO two, we don't have enough plants

678
00:59:00.800 --> 00:59:07.440
will evolved needing these higher levels of
CO two. So even at today's higher

679
00:59:07.800 --> 00:59:12.360
CO two rates than it was one
other fifty years ago, it's still not

680
00:59:12.519 --> 00:59:15.360
high enough for optimal plant growth.
And in fact, at four to twenty

681
00:59:16.679 --> 00:59:22.119
if you have a marijuana greenhouse,
you'll you'll talk to these guys. They

682
00:59:22.239 --> 00:59:25.159
buy canisters of CO two because they
want they want that pot growing. And

683
00:59:25.199 --> 00:59:31.039
it's just not pot in marijuana,
it's it's greenhouses that grow tomatoes and everything

684
00:59:31.079 --> 00:59:35.960
else. They add CO two,
they usually take it up to about twelve

685
00:59:36.079 --> 00:59:38.840
hundred parts per million, which is
three times as much as what we are

686
00:59:38.920 --> 00:59:44.960
today, And plants would still benefit
at even higher levels, but it becomes

687
00:59:45.000 --> 00:59:47.760
a cost benefit that they have.
You know, it gets too expensive getting

688
00:59:47.760 --> 00:59:57.039
too much CO two. The plants
even can grow fast or even in exceeding

689
00:59:57.159 --> 01:00:00.719
twelve hundred parts per million, three
times where it is today. Plus and

690
01:00:01.039 --> 01:00:07.880
here's the thing is that when these
CO two levels rise, and the the

691
01:00:08.559 --> 01:00:13.079
best awkwards part about this greg that
we referred to at the beginning of our

692
01:00:13.159 --> 01:00:19.639
interview was that the other side,
the climate cultists who are claiming we need

693
01:00:19.760 --> 01:00:23.280
to capture CO two so it doesn't
go into the atmosphere, they are actually

694
01:00:23.719 --> 01:00:31.360
doing everyone and the planet a disservice. When do they talk about trapping CO

695
01:00:31.679 --> 01:00:36.280
two coming out of the back ends
of cows, or you know, capturing

696
01:00:36.400 --> 01:00:39.400
CO two out of the ground or
out of the ocean to make sure it's

697
01:00:39.679 --> 01:00:44.360
none of that nasty stuff is in
our atmosphere. The fact of the matter

698
01:00:44.559 --> 01:00:49.840
is we could use more and not
less, and CO two is not pollution.

699
01:00:51.760 --> 01:00:54.239
You're right, we just I just
got back from Wyoming. I spent

700
01:00:54.360 --> 01:00:59.920
four days, five days actually in
Wyoming touring the state. We are late

701
01:01:00.079 --> 01:01:06.480
this report. It's Wyoming and climate
change. Carbon dioxide should be celebrated,

702
01:01:06.639 --> 01:01:13.800
not captured. And this was a
response to Republican Governor Mark Gordon's proposal to

703
01:01:14.000 --> 01:01:17.719
decarbonize the West. And he's teamed
up, believe or not, with Doug

704
01:01:17.800 --> 01:01:24.960
Burgham and the South Dakota Governor Christy
Noom. They're all teaming up because they

705
01:01:25.039 --> 01:01:29.320
think there's too much CO two and
they're going to capture it. They want

706
01:01:29.360 --> 01:01:32.519
to decarbonize the West. But they're
so misled, and so we wrote this

707
01:01:32.719 --> 01:01:38.880
report and we looked at what's actually
happening in Wyoming. We find that although

708
01:01:39.480 --> 01:01:45.119
temperature since eighteen ninety five has increased
a little bit, it's mainly being driven

709
01:01:45.239 --> 01:01:50.800
by an increase in the coldest nighttime
temperatures, which is good. I mean,

710
01:01:50.840 --> 01:01:55.559
it gets really cold in January and
February Wyoming at night. And what

711
01:01:55.719 --> 01:02:02.320
this does with these warming nighttime temperatures
means that growing seasons are lengthened. And

712
01:02:02.440 --> 01:02:07.039
we can see that. I documented
my book that the growing season the continentaly

713
01:02:07.039 --> 01:02:14.000
the United States has increased by more
than two weeks since nineteen hundred, So

714
01:02:14.719 --> 01:02:17.559
we have killing frosts and earlier in
the spring arrived later in the fall.

715
01:02:19.320 --> 01:02:22.199
If you're growing an apple orchard or
you have apple trees in your backyard,

716
01:02:22.239 --> 01:02:25.679
what do you fear the most.
It's a late spring killing frost that will

717
01:02:25.800 --> 01:02:31.199
just wipe you out for the year. Because of this warming, we have

718
01:02:31.320 --> 01:02:37.480
more crop productivity. So we've got
these things all turbocharging crop productivity and again

719
01:02:37.519 --> 01:02:43.280
in the brook a very convenient warming. I look at the top eight crops

720
01:02:43.320 --> 01:02:47.639
in the world by tonage produced to
find that they're each one have been breaking

721
01:02:47.760 --> 01:02:54.039
records year after year after year,
and this in spite of like global increase

722
01:02:54.079 --> 01:02:59.480
in temperature. So did you have
a chance to talk with Wyomings governor or

723
01:02:59.559 --> 01:03:02.519
Doug Burr Room or Christine Nome while
you were out west? Do you have

724
01:03:02.559 --> 01:03:07.000
an audience now or a connection with
them? But we did testify before the

725
01:03:07.119 --> 01:03:14.320
Wyoming Senate Agriculture Committee. I spoke
at two community colleges and the University of

726
01:03:14.360 --> 01:03:20.000
Wyoming, all warmly received. People
just thirsty for this information, and so

727
01:03:20.079 --> 01:03:22.400
it was it was great. I
had a chance to tour the Black Thunder

728
01:03:22.519 --> 01:03:25.760
coal mine, the largest coal mine
in the United States, very impressive,

729
01:03:27.199 --> 01:03:32.239
along with the gigantic shovel of the
largest of the world. And we toured

730
01:03:32.920 --> 01:03:38.519
a coal fired electricity generation station,
Dry Fork Station in Gillette, and it

731
01:03:38.760 --> 01:03:45.639
was it's really impressive and they were
in full operation and their stacks you couldn't

732
01:03:45.639 --> 01:03:50.079
even see anything coming out the top
because the only thing coming out the top

733
01:03:50.119 --> 01:03:57.360
of that stack was carbon dioxide,
the miracle molecule that's hugely beneficial in water

734
01:03:57.519 --> 01:04:05.119
vapor and so it's it's clean technology. They're calling carbon dioxide in a pollutant.

735
01:04:05.159 --> 01:04:10.000
But it's just as not. It's
again we call it the miracle molecule.

736
01:04:10.800 --> 01:04:13.400
Have you done any research, Greg, And we've just got a short

737
01:04:13.480 --> 01:04:17.920
time now on man made chemicals that
are polluting the atmosphere and are harmful.

738
01:04:18.920 --> 01:04:25.039
Oh sure, you can. Just
a Google search of EPA and pollution,

739
01:04:25.280 --> 01:04:30.400
those two words and you'll get the
EPA's study of the top eight real pollutants,

740
01:04:30.559 --> 01:04:38.639
not co two real pollutants like knox
socks, particulate matter. They've all

741
01:04:38.719 --> 01:04:44.480
been in a fifty year significant decline
and they've pretty much flattened out. Although

742
01:04:44.559 --> 01:04:49.920
they've because it's been our air is
so plain. Now they're going instead of

743
01:04:51.119 --> 01:04:55.199
determining parts per million, they're going, now, well we want to reduce

744
01:04:55.280 --> 01:05:00.519
it down to parts per billion.
And it's giving the very last This is

745
01:05:00.599 --> 01:05:03.440
really expensive, been probably unmed it's
a but no, our air and our

746
01:05:03.559 --> 01:05:08.960
water are cleaner today than they've probably
been for more than one hundred and fifty

747
01:05:09.079 --> 01:05:14.199
years. If you remember, you
know Lake Erie was a toxic mass with

748
01:05:14.719 --> 01:05:20.480
the three rivers in Pittsburgh were horrific. The Cauihoga River caught on fire for

749
01:05:20.599 --> 01:05:25.039
crying out loud. Well, even
the Ohio River at a time, you

750
01:05:25.119 --> 01:05:29.719
know, not so long ago,
fifty sixty years ago, was not in

751
01:05:29.840 --> 01:05:32.400
the situation it is now. That
runs right through downtown Cincinnati. It's much

752
01:05:32.480 --> 01:05:35.639
cleaner than it used to be.
Of course, its origin there is.

753
01:05:35.719 --> 01:05:40.480
It is at the point in Pittsburgh
the Ohio River that's the confluence of the

754
01:05:40.519 --> 01:05:44.440
Alleghany and the Monongalia. Again,
it was so polluted, nothing lived there.

755
01:05:44.480 --> 01:05:50.480
Today they're having bass master bass competitions
every summer there because it's so clean,

756
01:05:51.360 --> 01:05:56.440
and it's that that's what we should
treasure that. That's a really good

757
01:05:56.480 --> 01:05:58.719
thing. We should be proud of
that. Well, we'll leave it with

758
01:05:58.920 --> 01:06:03.679
this Greg for you the listener.
It's late at night, and if you're

759
01:06:03.719 --> 01:06:10.199
ready to bed down, you can
sleep well. There is no climate crisis,

760
01:06:10.679 --> 01:06:15.159
correct, Amen, brother, Amen, A very convenient warming from Gregory

761
01:06:15.239 --> 01:06:17.800
Wrightstone, executive director of the CO
two Coalition, once again a guest on

762
01:06:17.880 --> 01:06:21.639
the program. And thank you again
for all the great data and information Greg,

763
01:06:21.760 --> 01:06:26.480
to set some things straight. I
appreciate it. Thanks so much.

764
01:06:26.800 --> 01:06:30.800
You bet. It's the night Camp
and it rolls on in minutes on seven

765
01:06:30.880 --> 01:06:35.320
hundred Wlwad Doscinnati, author of A
very Convenient warming get to the CO two

766
01:06:35.400 --> 01:06:44.000
coalition. Every summer, every wildfire
season, we're hit with the just bold,

767
01:06:44.159 --> 01:06:50.280
stark headlines of man made cause climate
change producing more and more wildfires,

768
01:06:50.519 --> 01:06:57.320
and it's sensationalized and it's just crazy
and it's crap. From nineteen twenty six

769
01:06:58.039 --> 01:07:04.840
to twenty eighteen, the area burned
millions of acres of wildfire in the United

770
01:07:04.920 --> 01:07:14.079
States, from a high of over
fifty million acres in nineteen thirty to a

771
01:07:14.239 --> 01:07:21.559
low of less than ten million acres
in twenty twenty two. That's the actual

772
01:07:21.679 --> 01:07:28.599
data. So don't be fooled by
all the bombastic headlines and people literally with

773
01:07:28.719 --> 01:07:32.719
their heads on fire, no pun
intended trying to make the claim that driving

774
01:07:32.800 --> 01:07:40.000
your combustion engine or fossil fuels are
causing the planet to burn. It's simply

775
01:07:40.519 --> 01:07:45.840
not true. Thank you News.
Just ahead, and then we'll talk to

776
01:07:45.920 --> 01:07:51.880
Scott Kappus about where it's legal to
own what as far as your Second Amendment

777
01:07:51.960 --> 01:07:57.119
rights go in different states around the
country. He publishes a guide every year

778
01:07:57.159 --> 01:08:02.119
about new gun laws, which are
not needed in my opinion, but anyway,

779
01:08:02.199 --> 01:08:06.360
Scott kapp is on the night Cap
here in just a few on seven

780
01:08:06.440 --> 01:08:16.800
hundred WLW News Traffic and Weather news
Radio seven hundred WLW Cincinnati. A Cincinnati

781
01:08:16.880 --> 01:08:21.880
grocerer's quest to merge one of another
giant hit with a lawsuit with a ten

782
01:08:21.920 --> 01:08:27.359
to thirty report. I'm Lee Mawen
breaking now. The Kroger Company, the

783
01:08:27.479 --> 01:08:30.720
second largest grocer in the United States, first announce a merger with the Boise,

784
01:08:30.840 --> 01:08:35.000
Idaho based Albertsons in December twenty twenty
two, but now is met with

785
01:08:35.119 --> 01:08:41.600
resistance via a lawsuit by the Federal
Trade Commission. ABC News is Derek Dennis

786
01:08:41.640 --> 01:08:45.840
has more not so fast with proposed
merger between Kroger and Albertson's. The FTC

787
01:08:46.079 --> 01:08:50.319
suing to stop the nearly twenty five
billion dollar deal, arguing in court documents

788
01:08:50.399 --> 01:08:56.359
with stifled competition and cause grocery prices
to spike from millions of Americans. Xavier

789
01:08:56.479 --> 01:09:00.439
University marketing professor Scott Bicks is just
the prospect of such a deal spurs interest.

790
01:09:00.560 --> 01:09:03.720
One thing that is really clear.
Alberson's is for sale. So if

791
01:09:03.760 --> 01:09:08.640
not Kroger, than whom if approved, a combined store chain would span forty

792
01:09:08.680 --> 01:09:14.880
eight states with seven hundred thousand workers. Derek Dennis ABC News now the lightest

793
01:09:14.920 --> 01:09:18.239
traffic and weather together. It's looking
good Cincinnati. And how bad that ramp

794
01:09:18.279 --> 01:09:23.680
from seventy five South to seventy four
West. In case you haven't drove on

795
01:09:23.800 --> 01:09:27.560
it yet, you can find a
video of it on the Twitter page of

796
01:09:27.600 --> 01:09:32.720
seven hundred WLW. Now the Ladies. Forecast from a train heating and cooling

797
01:09:32.800 --> 01:09:39.279
weather center on news radio seven hundred
WLW heading to our Tuesday morning, A

798
01:09:39.319 --> 01:09:43.880
few showers possible, a morning low
of fifty four, mostly cloudy four r

799
01:09:44.000 --> 01:09:47.399
Tuesday and a few scattered showers,
a high as sixty nine at night,

800
01:09:47.560 --> 01:09:53.439
Storms develop late, A marginal risk
of severe storms overnight. A LOA forty

801
01:09:53.520 --> 01:09:59.479
five from your severe weather station.
I'm nine first warning cheap Meteorologist Steve Rawleig

802
01:10:00.239 --> 01:10:06.279
Radio seven hundred WLW. The closest
source of precipitation at this time is Western

803
01:10:06.359 --> 01:10:11.760
Missouri, meaning the radar in the
Greater Sinsina area. All clear. It's

804
01:10:11.800 --> 01:10:15.520
fifty nine degrees. Time's running out
on keeping the government open, as Congress

805
01:10:15.560 --> 01:10:20.640
has already passed three temporary spending bills
and might have to pass a fourth later

806
01:10:20.760 --> 01:10:25.920
this week. ABC's Andy Field tells
us about the latest effort to prevent another

807
01:10:26.039 --> 01:10:30.880
government shutdown. Senate Republican leader Mitch
McConnell warning fellow House Republicans they must vote

808
01:10:30.920 --> 01:10:36.159
for another temporary spending bill to avoid
another government shutdown, saying that will require

809
01:10:36.239 --> 01:10:44.119
that everyone rose in the same direction
toward clean appropriations and away from poison pills.

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Those poison pills are partisan add ons
that the Senate Democratic majority will not

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01:10:48.439 --> 01:10:55.119
accept, forcing a shutdown. Andy
Field, ABC News, Washington Red's Update

812
01:10:55.239 --> 01:11:00.319
the first split squad day of the
spring training campaign. The Reds split it

813
01:11:00.359 --> 01:11:03.399
on Monday. The game you heard
on Fox Sports thirteen sixty had the Reds

814
01:11:03.439 --> 01:11:08.479
fallen goodyear to the Mariners two to
nothing. In Phoenix, the Reds were

815
01:11:08.600 --> 01:11:13.199
victorious over the Brewers eight to three. And tomorrow afternoon, the Reds will

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01:11:13.279 --> 01:11:15.720
visit the Cubs of Mesa Well,
first pitch scheduled at three oh five on

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01:11:15.800 --> 01:11:21.119
Fox Sports thirteen sixty. In college
hoops, you see will visit the new

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number one team in town. That
would be the Houston Cougars. Tuesday night

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01:11:25.920 --> 01:11:29.680
tip off is seven o'clock here on
the Big One. Pregame six thirty five

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Tomorrow evening and back to the polls, Kentucky is up one spot now at

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01:11:33.760 --> 01:11:39.439
number sixteen. Dayton falls five spots
after the road loss at George Mason to

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01:11:39.560 --> 01:11:44.479
number twenty one in the newest Associated
Press poll. Our next update is at

823
01:11:44.479 --> 01:11:49.960
eleven o'clock. I'm Lee Mawen News
Radio seven hundred WLW, seven hundred WLW,

824
01:11:50.279 --> 01:11:57.760
Cincinnati, available everywhere with the iHeartRadio
app now number one for podcasting seven

825
01:11:57.840 --> 01:12:03.000
hundred WLW and iHeart Radio station.
I'm getting vaccinated with me back into the

826
01:12:03.119 --> 01:12:09.760
Nightcap on this Monday evening. And
we have the author of the Traveler's Guide

827
01:12:11.159 --> 01:12:14.159
for Gun Owners in all fifty States. And if I botch the title,

828
01:12:14.159 --> 01:12:17.600
I'm sure he'll correct me. He
is from out of Covington. I believe

829
01:12:17.920 --> 01:12:21.880
his name is Scott Kappus, and
he is a proud American, a proud

830
01:12:23.079 --> 01:12:27.720
Second Amendment advocate and our guest.
Hey man, thanks for being on the

831
01:12:27.760 --> 01:12:30.199
show, Scott. Yeah. I
thought with an introduction like that, I'd

832
01:12:30.279 --> 01:12:33.479
like to make a can that and
use it in future future additions. Because

833
01:12:33.520 --> 01:12:36.199
that was great. I appreciate it
very much. All right, So what's

834
01:12:36.239 --> 01:12:40.920
the official title of this guide that
you put out every year? You were

835
01:12:41.039 --> 01:12:44.960
very close The Traveler's Guide to the
Fire arm laws of the fifty States,

836
01:12:45.239 --> 01:12:49.000
all right, And this is important
for gun owners from people who are exercising

837
01:12:49.079 --> 01:12:54.399
their Second Amendment as they travel from
state to state, because well, our

838
01:12:54.680 --> 01:12:59.840
federal Constitution says we have the right
to own and bear arms, and that

839
01:13:00.079 --> 01:13:04.239
right shall not be infringed. There
are states who dance around that. Different

840
01:13:04.279 --> 01:13:10.439
states dance around that Second Amendment,
and some are pretty creative in their tap

841
01:13:10.560 --> 01:13:15.600
dancings. The state of New York
is one I know for sure that doesn't

842
01:13:15.720 --> 01:13:19.119
understand the spirit or the intent of
the Second Amendment, or at least their

843
01:13:19.159 --> 01:13:26.079
governor, Kathy Hochel doesn't. And
even though they lose in court cases with

844
01:13:26.359 --> 01:13:30.640
their absurd gun laws, they find
ways to skirt around them, and they

845
01:13:30.720 --> 01:13:33.479
did that with the latest, the
Bruin case, I believe. But if

846
01:13:33.560 --> 01:13:40.119
you will tell me which states are
the freest when it comes to upholding the

847
01:13:40.199 --> 01:13:44.359
Second Amendments, God, well,
we have quite a few in the southeast

848
01:13:44.520 --> 01:13:48.000
and the Rocky Mountain West. I'd
say Kentucky as very good as is Ohio.

849
01:13:48.079 --> 01:13:53.159
Ohio used to be not quite as
free, and over the last ten

850
01:13:53.279 --> 01:13:59.279
years, through efforts like Buckeye Firearms
Association, they have May Ohio a very

851
01:13:59.359 --> 01:14:02.399
good state for guns, as is
Indiana. And if you go through the

852
01:14:02.479 --> 01:14:09.800
southeast, most of your southeastern states
are good. The southwest, the Northeast

853
01:14:09.840 --> 01:14:13.399
seaboard is probably the worst. And
you mentioned New York, and it's kind

854
01:14:13.439 --> 01:14:17.520
of funny because what you said it
frames it perfectly. The Supreme Court said

855
01:14:17.600 --> 01:14:24.319
that New York's way of issuing permits
was completely contrary to the Constitution, and

856
01:14:24.920 --> 01:14:28.800
instead of accepting that and saying,
Okay, we've got to get our situation

857
01:14:28.880 --> 01:14:31.399
here in line with what the Constitution
says, they say, okay, fine,

858
01:14:31.520 --> 01:14:35.399
we'll issue permits on a shell issue
basis, which basically means there's no

859
01:14:36.479 --> 01:14:43.720
sheriff intervention. If you qualify along
the preset line of qualifications, you will

860
01:14:43.760 --> 01:14:46.079
receive the permit. Instead of simply
doing that and leaving it as is,

861
01:14:46.439 --> 01:14:49.640
they said, fine, we'll issue
permits, but we're going to ban carry

862
01:14:49.680 --> 01:14:56.800
in just about every public area.
So you went from basically having restrictive permits

863
01:14:57.039 --> 01:15:00.319
and relatively free carry. Once you
got your New York permit, there weren't

864
01:15:00.319 --> 01:15:03.000
a lot of places that were off
limits to where now, yeah, you

865
01:15:03.039 --> 01:15:06.600
can get a permit in New York
without having to know somebody locally, but

866
01:15:06.920 --> 01:15:11.239
they essentially ban carry in quite a
few public areas to where it makes it

867
01:15:11.279 --> 01:15:15.680
almost impossible to carry anywhere. Now
they're challenging this in court. It's going

868
01:15:15.720 --> 01:15:17.920
to probably go back to the Supreme
Court. But it's an example of where

869
01:15:17.960 --> 01:15:23.279
even if you win at the Supreme
court level, the state that doesn't like

870
01:15:23.359 --> 01:15:26.399
guns is going to find some way
to circumvent that. And you know,

871
01:15:26.479 --> 01:15:29.880
their attitude is, hey, it's
your tax money, we're going to use

872
01:15:29.920 --> 01:15:31.199
it against you, and if you
don't like it, move out of the

873
01:15:31.239 --> 01:15:35.680
state. And I think that the
local governor said the same thing a few

874
01:15:35.720 --> 01:15:40.119
weeks ago. She said that,
you know, basically she wanted everybody didn't

875
01:15:40.119 --> 01:15:43.680
agree with her to move move south. And of course that's what's happening New

876
01:15:43.760 --> 01:15:49.159
York and California. You're both losing
population. They are hemorrhaging people both states.

877
01:15:49.199 --> 01:15:54.640
Yes they are, and it's because
of policies like that. And of

878
01:15:54.720 --> 01:15:58.119
course when you tell people if they're
not wanted, and that's even worse.

879
01:15:58.159 --> 01:16:01.439
It's like it used to be,
theocrats would at least try their best to

880
01:16:01.720 --> 01:16:05.399
convince everybody. Now it's almost like
they write off half the population and say,

881
01:16:05.439 --> 01:16:08.920
hey, you don't like it.
We don't care. We're just going

882
01:16:09.000 --> 01:16:12.279
to import some more voters and run
over you with whatever we can run over

883
01:16:12.319 --> 01:16:15.000
you with. And you know,
I've always told people this, there's no

884
01:16:15.159 --> 01:16:20.520
such thing as a blue state.
You've essentially got red states with big blue

885
01:16:20.560 --> 01:16:24.760
cities. If you look at New
York, New York, most of it

886
01:16:24.960 --> 01:16:28.840
is red. Western New York is
just like Kentucky, Ohio in terms of

887
01:16:28.920 --> 01:16:31.479
the people and their attitudes. But
the problem is the five boroughs of New

888
01:16:31.560 --> 01:16:34.920
York City. They've got twice as
many people as the rest of the states.

889
01:16:35.000 --> 01:16:38.560
So they're going to control the politics, and they're going to make it

890
01:16:38.680 --> 01:16:43.039
one one hell of a bad place
to live. And finally people are realizing

891
01:16:43.119 --> 01:16:45.560
that and they're moving out, But
unfortunately that's not going to help the people

892
01:16:45.600 --> 01:16:49.720
that are stuck there. They're doing
a great job of totally destroying New York

893
01:16:49.760 --> 01:16:56.600
City right now with the illegal immigrants
and sanctuary city and the sensitive areas like

894
01:16:56.760 --> 01:17:03.560
Times Square where shootings and stabbings are
happy almost on a regular daily basis.

895
01:17:04.159 --> 01:17:11.720
And if you know, a responsible, law abiding citizen who had a firearm

896
01:17:12.119 --> 01:17:15.479
could probably diffuse these situations and these
migrant beatings and everything else that we're seeing

897
01:17:15.600 --> 01:17:19.359
going on in New York and some
of these other large cities. Chicago is

898
01:17:19.399 --> 01:17:25.239
another great example or a terrible example, depending on your side of the fence

899
01:17:25.560 --> 01:17:29.119
of what I'm talking about. And
the gun laws in Illinois, which have

900
01:17:29.279 --> 01:17:33.039
also been very, very contentious and
have been challenged in courts and they still

901
01:17:33.079 --> 01:17:39.359
are being Tell me about Illinois,
Yeah, well, Illinois, it was

902
01:17:39.479 --> 01:17:45.239
the last stay to not have any
permitting system in place to allow public area

903
01:17:45.600 --> 01:17:49.039
of a loaded gun, and back
in twenty thirteen they were forced through court

904
01:17:49.119 --> 01:17:54.119
intervention to reform that. And it
did get better. I mean, I

905
01:17:54.159 --> 01:17:58.399
will say Illinois is better than it
used to be. And they did preempt

906
01:17:58.439 --> 01:18:01.000
a lot of the local laws that
were in place in cities like Chicago for

907
01:18:01.159 --> 01:18:06.359
handgun carry, but there are still
restrictions on local restrictions on say like what

908
01:18:06.479 --> 01:18:12.920
they term assault weapons, which are
essentially semi automatic rifles. And also Governor

909
01:18:12.960 --> 01:18:17.960
Pritzker, he's been instrumental in passing
assault weapon and magazine bans that affect the

910
01:18:18.119 --> 01:18:24.640
entire state. So it's a bad
state by any stretch. But it did

911
01:18:24.720 --> 01:18:28.239
get better. I mean, it
got better from a permitting standpoint. They

912
01:18:28.239 --> 01:18:31.119
at least do issue a permit.
They ban it in almost every place that

913
01:18:31.239 --> 01:18:38.279
you can possibly carry. They issue
out of state permits to a few to

914
01:18:38.800 --> 01:18:41.960
residents from a few select states.
So unless you're for one of those states,

915
01:18:42.000 --> 01:18:45.680
you're not going to get outside permit
or a non resident permit, and

916
01:18:45.720 --> 01:18:47.520
aven if you did, they charge
you like three hundred dollars for that permit

917
01:18:47.640 --> 01:18:51.680
and you have to go through hoops
to get pat The one benefit is if

918
01:18:51.720 --> 01:18:55.720
you have a permit from your home
state, you can have the gun in

919
01:18:55.760 --> 01:18:59.199
your cars you're passing through Illinois.
Well, that support helps. That was

920
01:18:59.319 --> 01:19:02.159
my next question, Scott. If
you're taking a trip and you're going west

921
01:19:02.239 --> 01:19:06.399
from Cincinnati from northern Kentucky and you
have to pass through Illinois, if you've

922
01:19:06.520 --> 01:19:13.800
got your legal permitted weapon with you
in your car as you're traveling, what

923
01:19:14.000 --> 01:19:17.159
do you need to know if you
get pulled over? It Well, as

924
01:19:17.199 --> 01:19:20.840
long as you've got a license from
the state that you live in, you're

925
01:19:20.880 --> 01:19:24.119
good to go. Now. The
way their law is written, it says

926
01:19:24.279 --> 01:19:29.399
if you're allowed to carry publicly in
the state you live in, which technically

927
01:19:29.520 --> 01:19:31.079
that means even if you don't have
a permit, if you come from a

928
01:19:31.159 --> 01:19:34.000
constitutional carry state, and you're not
a fellow, you should be good to

929
01:19:34.079 --> 01:19:38.640
go there. However, what they
require for proof, you know, the

930
01:19:38.720 --> 01:19:43.279
policeman on the street proof is a
concealed carry license. So there's a bit

931
01:19:43.319 --> 01:19:45.840
of a contradiction there. In court, you could probably win the case,

932
01:19:45.960 --> 01:19:48.920
but when you're traveling through I don't
know if I want to risk it.

933
01:19:48.920 --> 01:19:51.399
I'd want to have a permit from
your home state. And as long as

934
01:19:51.439 --> 01:19:55.560
you've got that, you can have
that loaded gun in your car if you're

935
01:19:55.560 --> 01:20:00.119
pulled over. There's no requirement that
you declare it when pulled over unless the

936
01:20:00.199 --> 01:20:04.000
policeman asks for it. In other
words, some states were the states that

937
01:20:04.039 --> 01:20:14.119
would require you to volunteer the information
first. Illinois simply requires it if the

938
01:20:14.279 --> 01:20:15.960
policeman asks if you have the gun
or if you have the permit. Now,

939
01:20:16.319 --> 01:20:20.439
a lot of these states, I'll
caution you, they have a license

940
01:20:20.479 --> 01:20:25.359
plate readers, and sometimes your concealed
carry status is on your license, and

941
01:20:25.479 --> 01:20:28.640
so they might know you've got the
gun before you even get pulled over.

942
01:20:28.800 --> 01:20:32.159
So to avert a bad situation,
sometimes it's good to at least let the

943
01:20:32.199 --> 01:20:35.039
guy know you've got the gun with
the permit, but at least you can

944
01:20:35.119 --> 01:20:39.760
do that going through Illinois, which
you couldn't do that prior to twenty thirteen.

945
01:20:40.079 --> 01:20:44.600
Well, would you call an AR
fifteen or an AK forty seven.

946
01:20:44.640 --> 01:20:48.039
Would you call them assault weapons as
they often are, not the ones that

947
01:20:48.119 --> 01:20:54.039
are currently being sold as over the
counter semi automatics or simply replicas of what

948
01:20:54.199 --> 01:20:59.600
would be a true assault weapon is
defined by the military is a weapon capable

949
01:20:59.640 --> 01:21:02.720
of select fire. You can go
between semi and full auto. The problem

950
01:21:02.920 --> 01:21:08.199
is a lot of these bad states
have redefined the term assault weapon. They've

951
01:21:08.279 --> 01:21:14.720
defined those semi automatic replicas of true
assault weapons as being assault weapons. And

952
01:21:14.840 --> 01:21:16.600
so that's kind of where you run
into an issue. It's when the left

953
01:21:17.239 --> 01:21:24.319
controls the language, then they can
control laws actually used. And and you

954
01:21:24.359 --> 01:21:27.159
know, there are plenty of examples
of this, you know, just like

955
01:21:27.239 --> 01:21:30.159
when they refer to a normal straight
guy assist gender. I had no idea

956
01:21:30.199 --> 01:21:33.239
what that meant, but then I
realized they're you know, they're making me

957
01:21:33.359 --> 01:21:38.039
into kind of a weird sounding title. And they do that on purpose.

958
01:21:38.119 --> 01:21:42.279
It's it's their way of controlling the
narrative because they control the language. And

959
01:21:42.399 --> 01:21:46.119
that's exactly what they've done with with
guns is they've they've redefined these these semi

960
01:21:46.159 --> 01:21:50.960
automatic rifles as assault weapons. They
do and they're not in a technical sense.

961
01:21:51.039 --> 01:21:56.439
They become that. Yeah, they
do this all the time with a

962
01:21:56.479 --> 01:22:00.680
lot of things, you know,
gender itself. It's supposed to be about

963
01:22:00.800 --> 01:22:05.359
language, not about sex. Scott
Kappus is our guest again. Give me

964
01:22:05.439 --> 01:22:11.800
the full title of the book,
Scott The Traveler's Guide to the Firearm Laws

965
01:22:11.840 --> 01:22:15.319
of the Fifty States. Where can
it be found. It's on Amazon,

966
01:22:15.399 --> 01:22:20.319
It's also on my website, Gunlawguide
dot com. And I advertise in the

967
01:22:20.399 --> 01:22:25.239
National Rifle Association magazine. So if
you're a member of n O, I'll

968
01:22:25.279 --> 01:22:30.359
price the display ad for it,
and you can certainly use that because it's

969
01:22:30.399 --> 01:22:34.319
pretty prevalent in the American Riflemen in
Shooting Illustrated and American Hunter and a few

970
01:22:34.319 --> 01:22:39.239
of the other magazines that NRA publishes. If you're taking a trip, you

971
01:22:39.279 --> 01:22:43.399
should have this in your possession and
know what the laws are where you go.

972
01:22:43.600 --> 01:22:45.199
Scott Kappus, thank you so much
for being on the show tonight.

973
01:22:46.079 --> 01:22:48.359
Garry, thank you very much.
I appreciate it. I enjoyed it very

974
01:22:48.439 --> 01:22:53.800
much. You bet you. We'll
we'll have tap Scott back and we continue.

975
01:22:53.920 --> 01:22:58.359
The wild Man is coming up next
on seven hundred WLW. Hey Cintinni's

976
01:22:58.359 --> 01:23:00.760
former Bengal and Pro Football Hall of
Fame Anthony Munias. Are you or someone

977
01:23:01.199 --> 01:23:05.439
here? He is back for another
bite on the Nightcap on seven hundred WLW.

978
01:23:05.760 --> 01:23:12.199
My friend, your friend wild Man
forever, wild Man Walker? How

979
01:23:12.239 --> 01:23:15.279
you doing? Wild Man? Just
back from the the Blue Jackets Rangers game

980
01:23:15.359 --> 01:23:20.359
in Columbus yesterday, right? Uh
yeah? Blue Jackets beat the Rangers four

981
01:23:20.399 --> 01:23:25.800
to two, ending the Rangers ten
game franchise time winning streak. It was

982
01:23:25.840 --> 01:23:29.199
a nice win for the Blue Jackets
fans. They haven't had much to cheer

983
01:23:29.239 --> 01:23:31.920
about all year. Of course,
they cut the Rangers kind of in a

984
01:23:32.000 --> 01:23:35.399
down spiral because they were they just
played the Flyers the night before, so

985
01:23:35.760 --> 01:23:39.399
they had to fly in and they
probably really didn't have their legs. But

986
01:23:39.720 --> 01:23:42.880
I mean, it's a nice win
for the Blue Jackets who are going nowhere

987
01:23:42.960 --> 01:23:45.760
where the Rangers are going to the
playoffs. They've had a great season.

988
01:23:45.920 --> 01:23:50.720
Yeah, do we really need another
major league NHL team that close to Columbus?

989
01:23:51.000 --> 01:23:55.279
I mean, you think we could
You think we could spread out the

990
01:23:55.359 --> 01:24:00.640
losing here in Cincinnati. If we
had one two donkeys will fly first before

991
01:24:00.720 --> 01:24:04.119
that happened, Okay, wanted to
talk to you over the weekend. Of

992
01:24:04.199 --> 01:24:10.560
course. Major League Baseball spring training
now in full full tilt. Man,

993
01:24:10.600 --> 01:24:15.800
they're going at it in Florida and
in Arizona and over the weekend, and

994
01:24:15.039 --> 01:24:18.239
the Reds, by the way,
are two and oh wild man, it's

995
01:24:18.279 --> 01:24:23.159
better than no one too nothing.
It means a damn thing. But what

996
01:24:23.520 --> 01:24:26.880
if they were owing too, if
they were owing to Gary Jeff social media

997
01:24:26.960 --> 01:24:30.039
know it all would be saying fire
David Bell and bring back Joey Vado and

998
01:24:30.159 --> 01:24:32.840
trade this guy. Because that's how
that's how they are. You know,

999
01:24:32.960 --> 01:24:36.920
spring training means nothing, that never
has never will. I remember the Washington

1000
01:24:38.000 --> 01:24:41.359
Senators back in the late sixties.
I think they lost like three games in

1001
01:24:41.399 --> 01:24:45.079
spring training and everybody was all geeked
up about the Washington Senators competing for the

1002
01:24:45.119 --> 01:24:49.560
American League, the Pennant. They
finished like forty five games out, lost,

1003
01:24:49.760 --> 01:24:54.439
lost over one hundred games. Right, that's same Washington Senators team.

1004
01:24:54.960 --> 01:24:58.039
Yeah, you know, you know
we don't. We don't have Senators in

1005
01:24:58.199 --> 01:25:03.119
Washington anymore unless you count those adults
up at Capitol Hill. Uh we I

1006
01:25:03.239 --> 01:25:11.880
prefer no doubt, no doubt,
storming the court in college basketball must and

1007
01:25:12.800 --> 01:25:16.479
over the over the weekend we saw
another instant, uh wake Forest. Wake

1008
01:25:16.560 --> 01:25:21.560
Forest defeated Duke and one of the
Duke starters was injured. I don't know

1009
01:25:21.640 --> 01:25:26.279
what his status is for the next
Duke game, but it was it was

1010
01:25:26.399 --> 01:25:30.479
up in the air that they've got
to find a way to stop this completely.

1011
01:25:30.600 --> 01:25:33.720
I mean, they used to storm
the fields at football games like homecoming

1012
01:25:33.840 --> 01:25:38.479
or whatever, tear down the gold
post for a big upset. But and

1013
01:25:38.720 --> 01:25:42.840
and they've they've more or less stopped
that. But how do you stop it

1014
01:25:43.199 --> 01:25:46.520
in the college basketball but both men's
and women's Hey, because you know,

1015
01:25:46.600 --> 01:25:49.000
the fan is so close to the
court, you can only have so many

1016
01:25:49.039 --> 01:25:53.399
security people, I mean without how
much would that cost to have them lock

1017
01:25:53.560 --> 01:25:55.960
arms all the way around the court
and that you can still get knocked down

1018
01:25:56.000 --> 01:25:59.079
and the security people to get hurt. And that's opening a can of worms.

1019
01:25:59.119 --> 01:26:01.680
But they could be suing a university
or whatnot. The best way to

1020
01:26:01.800 --> 01:26:04.720
handle this, Gary Jeb is to
make the announcement and say, if you

1021
01:26:04.800 --> 01:26:09.960
storm the court, the game's a
forfeit and that'll end it right there and

1022
01:26:10.079 --> 01:26:12.920
then and there. You could make
two or three forefits you want to have

1023
01:26:13.000 --> 01:26:15.199
this happen. Ever again, can
you do you think you can get college

1024
01:26:15.199 --> 01:26:18.720
administrators in the NCAA to go along
with that wild man. Well, they're

1025
01:26:18.720 --> 01:26:21.159
going to have to because this is
you know, this is like an accident

1026
01:26:21.239 --> 01:26:25.800
waiting to happen, a major accident
waiting to happen. What if a really

1027
01:26:25.880 --> 01:26:30.159
tough college prospect goes down in a
heap and enters this knee. You don't

1028
01:26:30.199 --> 01:26:32.279
think his lawyer is going to come
suing. Oh my god, you know,

1029
01:26:32.520 --> 01:26:34.520
Oh yeah, to see the n
c DOUBLEA. They're gonna see the

1030
01:26:34.600 --> 01:26:39.279
school. They're gonna sue everybody.
It's it's it's just an accident waiting to

1031
01:26:39.319 --> 01:26:44.039
happen. It's protecting the players,
it's protecting the coaches, it's protecting cheerleaders.

1032
01:26:44.760 --> 01:26:49.039
You refereesere yeah, Well, you
know, we were talking about spring

1033
01:26:49.159 --> 01:26:53.880
training and uh, for the first
time over the weekend, I guess at

1034
01:26:53.920 --> 01:26:59.119
a game in Florida in the Grapefruit
League there was a female umpire for the

1035
01:26:59.199 --> 01:27:03.760
first time in Major League baseball.
And you say it's time that the women

1036
01:27:04.000 --> 01:27:09.319
are just like in the NFL,
just like in uh in NBA. Right,

1037
01:27:09.960 --> 01:27:12.680
well, well, yeah, her
name is Jen Paywall and she I

1038
01:27:12.720 --> 01:27:15.560
think she was umpiring a third base. She's worked their way up, uh,

1039
01:27:15.720 --> 01:27:18.600
you know, to this level to
be able to be a major league

1040
01:27:18.640 --> 01:27:21.920
umpires. She's got great credentials.
And I think it's time. I mean,

1041
01:27:21.960 --> 01:27:30.000
the NBA they have women referees,
the NFL has women officials usually you

1042
01:27:30.039 --> 01:27:32.479
know, back judges or slide judges. It's it's time. I mean when

1043
01:27:32.520 --> 01:27:36.000
you when you see some of the
umpiring that's going on today in Major League

1044
01:27:36.000 --> 01:27:42.960
Baseball, with guys like CEB Butner
and laz Das and of course Angel her

1045
01:27:43.039 --> 01:27:45.960
Nandez, who has the worst strike
zone in the history of the game.

1046
01:27:45.159 --> 01:27:48.079
That these guys have a job,
Oh no, it's time for a woman

1047
01:27:48.159 --> 01:27:51.359
umpire to give her her to do
and see what she can do well.

1048
01:27:51.720 --> 01:27:57.800
And uh, you make that point
if you know the umpire or referees,

1049
01:27:58.239 --> 01:28:02.920
if you know an umpire's name,
that's probably not a good thing because it's

1050
01:28:03.079 --> 01:28:05.960
it's kind of you know, it's
kind of like an offensive lineman. If

1051
01:28:06.000 --> 01:28:10.399
they get their name mentioned on TV
or their number called, it means that

1052
01:28:10.479 --> 01:28:14.640
they more than likely just screwed up. And if you know the umpire's name,

1053
01:28:14.760 --> 01:28:19.880
if he's notorious enough for not having
any kind of consistent strike zone or

1054
01:28:19.960 --> 01:28:25.239
being a bad ump then that says
more about that umpire. I mean the

1055
01:28:25.279 --> 01:28:28.159
good ones you don't notice, right, You're not supposed to notice the empire.

1056
01:28:28.479 --> 01:28:32.279
I'm supposed to notice the umpires exactly. And Angel Hernandez is constantly being

1057
01:28:32.680 --> 01:28:36.680
you know, exploited because he's so
bad. He's he's battled the bases and

1058
01:28:36.760 --> 01:28:41.279
he's bad behind the plate. I
mean last year, what was this of

1059
01:28:41.399 --> 01:28:45.680
the Philadelphia Harper? Yeah, Harper
went off at him getting caught out on

1060
01:28:45.840 --> 01:28:49.159
strikes. He got caught on on
strikes with her hands down at third base.

1061
01:28:49.760 --> 01:28:51.840
Oh and Harper went off, man, I mean he went off.

1062
01:28:53.119 --> 01:28:56.039
And that's just the tip of the
iceberg with Angel and her and as who's

1063
01:28:56.119 --> 01:28:58.920
you know been He's been ragged on
for a year. And Ceb Butner is

1064
01:28:59.000 --> 01:29:01.279
just as bad. Just this band. He's got a hot temper and it's

1065
01:29:01.479 --> 01:29:05.119
you know, these guys. I
don't know where that where Jen Paywall can

1066
01:29:05.159 --> 01:29:08.720
go. I mean she she might
be able to fill in because the umpires

1067
01:29:08.760 --> 01:29:13.119
believe it or not getting vacations these
days, go on vacation. Yeah,

1068
01:29:13.159 --> 01:29:15.479
so she might get elevated to get
her chance this year some way, and

1069
01:29:15.520 --> 01:29:18.439
that can last. But it's time
for them. It's time. It's time,

1070
01:29:18.479 --> 01:29:21.159
it really is. If they develop
AI to the point, uh,

1071
01:29:21.399 --> 01:29:26.920
there'll be a lot of umpires taking
vacation. If they've got some robot calling

1072
01:29:27.159 --> 01:29:30.359
balls and strikes behind the plate,
Uh, well, that'll be the end

1073
01:29:30.399 --> 01:29:32.319
of baseball for me, Gary Jeffer. They ever do that, that'll be

1074
01:29:32.399 --> 01:29:35.239
the end. That human factor.
You can't take out. You got to

1075
01:29:35.279 --> 01:29:39.039
keep the human factor in there,
right, even if they sucked. Uh

1076
01:29:39.199 --> 01:29:44.600
so they suck. The Bengals,
as you and me and almost everybody talks

1077
01:29:44.600 --> 01:29:47.800
about last week, did the thing
they had to do. They franchised Tag

1078
01:29:47.920 --> 01:29:53.079
T. Higgins. He will be
around for next season for Joe Burrow and

1079
01:29:53.680 --> 01:29:57.640
any other additions that the Bengals need
to make, you think for them to

1080
01:29:57.680 --> 01:30:00.760
make another serious run in another Super
Bowl. Well, you know, with

1081
01:30:00.880 --> 01:30:05.800
the NFL adding that extra cap money, that helped a lot into helping franchise

1082
01:30:05.880 --> 01:30:09.479
Tag T. Higgins. Like you
said, we'll be here, you know,

1083
01:30:09.920 --> 01:30:14.000
for another season and we'll worry about
that down the road going into the

1084
01:30:14.119 --> 01:30:17.600
draft, the two major needs on
this football team are a tight end who

1085
01:30:17.640 --> 01:30:21.600
can catch the ball consistently down the
down the field, can stretch the field

1086
01:30:21.640 --> 01:30:26.199
a little bit like Travis Kelce,
because the Begals haven't had a really good

1087
01:30:26.239 --> 01:30:30.479
tight end going back to Rodney Holman. I mean, Eiford was very good,

1088
01:30:30.520 --> 01:30:32.760
but he couldn't stay healthy, okay, and then er Smith couldn't catch

1089
01:30:32.840 --> 01:30:36.479
beach a beach ball. But they
also need an offensive line. And know

1090
01:30:36.600 --> 01:30:40.720
whether they get that in free agency
or they get that in the in the

1091
01:30:40.880 --> 01:30:44.239
draft, but they got to protect
Joe Burrow because you know, and I

1092
01:30:44.439 --> 01:30:47.000
know, it starts up front.
It always has. With all that money

1093
01:30:47.039 --> 01:30:50.039
investing in Joe Burrow, they got
to protect them. I mean, we

1094
01:30:50.199 --> 01:30:54.720
see what to happen with Patrick Mahomes. They protect him with Tom Brady,

1095
01:30:54.800 --> 01:30:57.680
they protect them. They win when
they protect them. And when Joe does

1096
01:30:58.079 --> 01:31:02.760
get the protection, he finds recent
no brainer that they've got. They've got

1097
01:31:02.800 --> 01:31:06.800
to secure that offensive line. Wild
Man, Thank you, brother, as

1098
01:31:06.840 --> 01:31:12.319
always a lively conversation. That's why
I like to have you on. It's

1099
01:31:12.399 --> 01:31:14.800
fun talking with you, buddy.
I'll talk to you soon, all right.

1100
01:31:14.920 --> 01:31:25.920
Seven hundred WLW News Traffic and weather. News Radio seven hundred WLW Cincinnati

1101
01:31:26.720 --> 01:31:30.920
a possible cease fire by the end
of the week. With the eleven o'clock

1102
01:31:30.039 --> 01:31:36.119
report, I'm Lee Mawen breaking now
President Joe Biden and I offering encouraging news

1103
01:31:36.600 --> 01:31:42.800
about the war between Israel and Hamas
with hope for a ceasefire soon. ABC's

1104
01:31:42.840 --> 01:31:46.039
Andy Field has the latest from Washington. The President of New York City for

1105
01:31:46.119 --> 01:31:51.159
another campaign fundraiser, but telling reporters
he's been busy trying to negotiate an end

1106
01:31:51.199 --> 01:31:55.720
to the fighting in Gaza. Close
to not done yet, and my hope

1107
01:31:55.840 --> 01:32:00.039
is by next Monday we'll have the
draft cease fire deal with have Hamas release

1108
01:32:00.079 --> 01:32:04.680
as many as forty women and older
hostages in return for nearly three hundred,

1109
01:32:04.800 --> 01:32:12.439
mostly Palestinian women prisoners held by Israel. Andyfield, ABC News Washington Now the

1110
01:32:12.560 --> 01:32:15.199
latest, traffic and weather together.
You're looking good, Cincinnati. However,

1111
01:32:15.319 --> 01:32:19.600
we did have something pop up.
If you're traveling west on two seventy five

1112
01:32:19.640 --> 01:32:26.079
towards Indiana and the bend into Kentucky, watch yourself because of his reported there's

1113
01:32:26.159 --> 01:32:30.159
a major slow down. But everything
looks clear right now. Now the latest

1114
01:32:30.199 --> 01:32:35.520
forecast from the Advanced Dentistry Weather Center. Advanced Dentistry, the judgment free dental

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1116
01:32:42.199 --> 01:32:45.399
to Tuesday morning, it's a chance
of rain, a morning low of fifty

1117
01:32:45.520 --> 01:32:48.800
four. The rest of our Tuesday
cloudy, a spotty shower to o high

1118
01:32:48.840 --> 01:32:55.159
as sixty nine at night, though
storms developing late. A marginal risk of

1119
01:32:55.239 --> 01:33:00.159
severe storms overnight a morning low of
forty five and later Wednesday morning, a

1120
01:33:00.279 --> 01:33:03.279
chance of flurries. From your severe
weather station, I'm nine First Warning,

1121
01:33:03.439 --> 01:33:11.600
Chief Meteorologist Steve Rawley, News Radio
seven hundred WLW radar is clear. It's

1122
01:33:11.680 --> 01:33:15.079
fifty seven degrees right now. Ahead
of Donald Trump's criminal trial in New York

1123
01:33:15.119 --> 01:33:19.680
City, a spokesman for the former
president is comparing the request for a gag

1124
01:33:19.800 --> 01:33:25.920
order in the hush money case to
election interference. The spokesperson also calling Manhattan

1125
01:33:26.000 --> 01:33:30.960
District Attorney Alvin Bragg a deranged Democrat
prosecutor. More from ABC's Aaron Katerski in

1126
01:33:31.079 --> 01:33:36.119
New York, Ragg describing an extraordinary
surge in threats he and his office received

1127
01:33:36.159 --> 01:33:42.159
the month Trump was indicted, including
messages that said leave Trump alone or Bragg

1128
01:33:42.239 --> 01:33:45.319
will get assassinated. Rag said.
The office flag more than six hundred emails

1129
01:33:45.399 --> 01:33:50.079
and phone calls. The NYPD log
eighty nine specific threats against the District attorney's

1130
01:33:50.159 --> 01:33:55.520
family or employees, including an envelope
containing a white powder and a note with

1131
01:33:55.640 --> 01:34:00.760
images of Bragg and Trump and the
words You'll be sorry a deafen. The

1132
01:34:00.800 --> 01:34:05.520
inmate in Claremont County Jail is under
investigation as thirty nine year old Angela Thornton

1133
01:34:05.840 --> 01:34:10.840
was found on responsive in her sale
on February fifteenth, according to the Sheriff's

1134
01:34:10.840 --> 01:34:15.119
office, who also added she was
alone in her sale with no visible injuries.

1135
01:34:15.279 --> 01:34:18.319
She was arrested on charges related to
fentanyl, cocaine, and hairin possession.

1136
01:34:19.079 --> 01:34:24.359
Charges now pressed against two on an
attack last week. Two Northwest High

1137
01:34:24.359 --> 01:34:28.960
School students have now been charged with
assault after they allegedly attacked a fellow student

1138
01:34:29.079 --> 01:34:31.920
last week. The victim's mother says
her fifteen year old daughter had been getting

1139
01:34:31.960 --> 01:34:36.359
bullied recently and the incident may have
been in escalation of that. She told

1140
01:34:36.399 --> 01:34:41.439
police her daughter called her last Thursday
she was crying and bleeding from her face

1141
01:34:41.560 --> 01:34:44.720
after the assault. In the hallway
as class was being let out for the

1142
01:34:44.840 --> 01:34:47.439
day. A teacher was also struck
in the head while trying to break up

1143
01:34:47.520 --> 01:34:51.560
that fight, but was not seriously
injured. The sixteen year old and seventeen

1144
01:34:51.640 --> 01:34:56.359
year old students, now facing charges, were both released to their guardians.

1145
01:34:56.600 --> 01:35:00.039
I'm rick Yuchino, who's radio seven
hundred. Double Oil learned the identity of

1146
01:35:00.119 --> 01:35:04.760
a man who was killed in a
shooting in Avondale this afternoon. Cincinnati Police

1147
01:35:04.800 --> 01:35:10.520
responded after five o'clock to Carpland Place
near Redding Road, where the victim was

1148
01:35:10.560 --> 01:35:14.640
found dead, suffering at least one
gunshot won in a vehicle. The victim

1149
01:35:14.720 --> 01:35:19.199
was identified by CBT as forty two
year old Jerry Spencer. CBD's homicide unit

1150
01:35:19.319 --> 01:35:25.000
is leading the investigation. As we
look into sports college hoops. Tomorrow you

1151
01:35:25.159 --> 01:35:29.279
see back in action. They'll visit
Number one Houston with tip off at seven

1152
01:35:29.359 --> 01:35:32.079
here at the Big One pregame six
thirty five Tuesday evening. In the ap

1153
01:35:32.199 --> 01:35:36.000
pol Kentucky's up one spot to number
sixteen, Dayton down five spots, now

1154
01:35:36.039 --> 01:35:41.000
at number twenty one in the new
Associate Press Pool, and a Reds update,

1155
01:35:41.359 --> 01:35:45.199
the red split their split squad day
as the Reds fell on the radio

1156
01:35:45.279 --> 01:35:48.640
on Fox Sports thirteen sixty two the
Mariners two to nothing. In fact,

1157
01:35:48.640 --> 01:35:51.479
the Reds were help without a hit
until the eighth inning, and if I

1158
01:35:51.640 --> 01:35:57.359
remember hearing Lance right, it was
Herdebes Jacob Hurdabees with the first hit of

1159
01:35:57.399 --> 01:36:00.760
the game in Phoenix. However,
the Reds to feed the Brewers by a

1160
01:36:00.840 --> 01:36:03.840
comfortable eight three margin. The Reds
now head over to Masonet to face the

1161
01:36:03.880 --> 01:36:10.119
Cubs Tuesday afternoon. That game's on
Fox Sports thirteen sixty first pitch at three

1162
01:36:10.159 --> 01:36:13.680
oh five, and our next update
is at eleven thirty. I'm Lee Mallen

1163
01:36:13.800 --> 01:36:18.439
News Radio seven hundred WIW. This
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1164
01:36:18.800 --> 01:36:26.399
Going Staircrazy Febuary twenty six, twenty
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1165
01:36:26.399 --> 01:36:30.800
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1166
01:36:30.920 --> 01:36:36.359
free content. And this guy is
Dave Hatter, our it guy Internet of

1167
01:36:36.439 --> 01:36:42.439
Things champion and the guy with the
aluminum foil hat, ready to tell you

1168
01:36:42.680 --> 01:36:47.399
how your technology is aiming to kill
you or turn you into a bot.

1169
01:36:48.359 --> 01:36:55.000
So as we get into tonight's conversation, you know the elephant in the room

1170
01:36:55.119 --> 01:37:00.119
still is what happened last week with
the AT and T outage, of there

1171
01:37:00.159 --> 01:37:05.640
were tens of thousands, there's you
know, in fact, Marco Rubio just

1172
01:37:05.840 --> 01:37:11.800
this week saying that a Chinese cyber
attack will be one hundred times worse than

1173
01:37:11.840 --> 01:37:15.960
the AT and T outage, including
your power, your water. This is

1174
01:37:15.000 --> 01:37:18.479
something you and I have talked about
before, Dave, and apparently they're finally

1175
01:37:18.520 --> 01:37:23.520
starting to pay attention to us,
because we've been talking about this for a

1176
01:37:23.600 --> 01:37:30.800
few years about yeah, the danger
of hacks and outages, and now it's

1177
01:37:30.239 --> 01:37:35.199
a real life and death situation,
which you know, the way people are

1178
01:37:35.239 --> 01:37:40.119
addicted to their phones, their little
mobile devices, they acted like the AT

1179
01:37:40.279 --> 01:37:43.199
and T outage if they were affected, was a life and death No,

1180
01:37:43.399 --> 01:37:47.159
you have no idea, children,
So what do we know about the AT

1181
01:37:47.319 --> 01:37:51.359
and T outage. Do you believe
it was a software a hiccup like they

1182
01:37:51.479 --> 01:37:57.800
claimed, or do you think we'll
ever know? Well, Derek, yes,

1183
01:37:58.199 --> 01:38:00.319
first off, thanks for having me
on its all ways. Yeah,

1184
01:38:00.520 --> 01:38:02.760
my guess is we'll never really know
o than whatever gets you know reported in

1185
01:38:02.840 --> 01:38:09.239
the mainstream press from the my take
on it was at the time was well

1186
01:38:09.479 --> 01:38:14.319
since it kind of peaked around seventy
thousand is users, and then you know,

1187
01:38:14.359 --> 01:38:15.800
they seem to be able to restore
it pretty quickly, although it did

1188
01:38:15.880 --> 01:38:18.720
take almost the whole day. When
you look at the full scope of their

1189
01:38:18.800 --> 01:38:23.399
network the last I checked, I
think they have over two hundred million users.

1190
01:38:23.800 --> 01:38:26.039
Seventy three thousand, Well that's a
lot, you know, it's a

1191
01:38:26.079 --> 01:38:30.399
relatively small percentage of the overall network. And then of course you know they're

1192
01:38:30.439 --> 01:38:32.880
transferring calls from one network to another. So again I don't want to downplay

1193
01:38:32.920 --> 01:38:36.319
it. I think seventy three thousand
ish people out for a long period of

1194
01:38:36.399 --> 01:38:40.640
time is not good. But you
know, I kind of figured at the

1195
01:38:40.680 --> 01:38:44.920
time since it didn't get any worse, and probably with some sort of software

1196
01:38:44.960 --> 01:38:47.159
outage, configuration issue, you know, something along the lines of what they

1197
01:38:47.199 --> 01:38:49.840
said it was. You know,
it could it have been the network was

1198
01:38:49.920 --> 01:38:54.439
overloaded, maybe, but you usually
don't see that nowadays unless there's like some

1199
01:38:54.600 --> 01:38:58.159
natural disaster or something where everyone is
trying to make calls. You know,

1200
01:38:58.479 --> 01:39:02.600
solar flare EMP cyber attack. Again, if it were anything other than a

1201
01:39:02.680 --> 01:39:05.760
cyber attack, solar flaring and p
type thing, you think you'd see a

1202
01:39:05.800 --> 01:39:11.479
lot more widespread outages on other networks. You know, so it's probably what

1203
01:39:11.640 --> 01:39:15.880
they claim it was, but I
do think it's just one more example of

1204
01:39:15.960 --> 01:39:20.600
why it's so critical to start taking
cybersecurity seriously from a general perspective and then

1205
01:39:20.680 --> 01:39:26.880
focusing on hardening these critical networks and
critical systems that supply things like electricity,

1206
01:39:27.000 --> 01:39:31.840
water, communications, food, et
cetera. Because I agree with everything Marco

1207
01:39:31.960 --> 01:39:36.439
Rubio said, and again he's just
one more person who is raising the alarm

1208
01:39:36.520 --> 01:39:41.479
out there. You've seen the FBI
director, You've seen visit the Cybersecurity Infrastructure

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01:39:41.520 --> 01:39:49.439
and Security Administrator administration director warn about
the possible consequences of devastating cyber attacks from

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01:39:49.600 --> 01:39:54.640
our enemies who are trying to get
you know, footholds in our networks and

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01:39:54.720 --> 01:39:59.439
so forth. You know, again, as Rubio said, that's a small

1212
01:39:59.520 --> 01:40:01.399
taste of what it could be like
and if you really want to look into

1213
01:40:02.000 --> 01:40:06.199
how devastating these things could be.
Russia has been doing this sort of stuff

1214
01:40:06.239 --> 01:40:13.439
in Ukraine since the mid twenty tens. You know, there are numerous examples

1215
01:40:13.479 --> 01:40:16.600
where Russia knocked out their ATMs,
just don't knock out their power done all

1216
01:40:16.720 --> 01:40:21.079
kinds of stuff and it's because Gary, Jeff, We've said so many times,

1217
01:40:21.439 --> 01:40:26.199
most of the stuff that makes all
of this work was designed in the

1218
01:40:26.239 --> 01:40:29.920
sixties and seventies. No one envisioned
that it would be used in the way

1219
01:40:29.960 --> 01:40:32.239
that it's used today. And consequently, you know, all of this stuff

1220
01:40:32.359 --> 01:40:36.000
is sort of inherently insecure, and
it's hard to secure without a lot of

1221
01:40:36.079 --> 01:40:40.159
effort and money and friction. You
know, stuff breaks when you try to

1222
01:40:40.199 --> 01:40:45.560
secure it. So it's a major
problem. And yeah, I wouldn't say

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01:40:45.600 --> 01:40:48.239
I'm happy that it happened, but
I'm happy when these things happen on a

1224
01:40:48.319 --> 01:40:53.359
small scale and don't do any real
damage because I think it helps people wake

1225
01:40:53.479 --> 01:40:57.720
up and realize, gosh, how
terrible could this be if like a whole

1226
01:40:57.840 --> 01:41:00.680
cellar network went down or all of
this networks went down, for example,

1227
01:41:00.720 --> 01:41:04.720
Think of the chaos that would cause
and all of the stuff that relies on

1228
01:41:04.920 --> 01:41:09.920
cellular signals now to work. It
would be bad. Oh, and this

1229
01:41:10.159 --> 01:41:13.720
is I think this is worse than
an EMP I think this is worse than

1230
01:41:13.760 --> 01:41:21.039
a nuclear attack, just because we're
all so interconnected with these systems. Just

1231
01:41:21.159 --> 01:41:26.439
to get people don't understand. They
think that the loaves of bread just show

1232
01:41:26.560 --> 01:41:30.159
up at the grocery store on a
weekly basis, and it's you know,

1233
01:41:30.359 --> 01:41:33.399
just the old school tech. Now
we o the truck brings the bread from

1234
01:41:33.439 --> 01:41:36.479
the factory or from the distribution center, and they bring it to Kroger.

1235
01:41:36.560 --> 01:41:43.840
They don't take into account all of
the little cyber chains that are involved in

1236
01:41:43.960 --> 01:41:47.760
getting that loaf of bread or that
jug of milk to a Kroger. And

1237
01:41:48.000 --> 01:41:54.279
understand that if one of these systems
gets attacked, say in a supply line,

1238
01:41:54.439 --> 01:41:58.359
a supply chain, then there's no
loaf of bread, there's no milk,

1239
01:41:58.760 --> 01:42:05.920
there's nothing on the shelves with without
that interconnected cyber network. And if

1240
01:42:06.000 --> 01:42:10.840
it is interrupted, if it is
hacked, if it is brought down by

1241
01:42:10.880 --> 01:42:18.359
an attack, then people starve.
There's the real possibility of that. And

1242
01:42:18.600 --> 01:42:23.399
you know this isn't some tenfoil hacked
conspiracy. Go see again with people are

1243
01:42:23.520 --> 01:42:28.479
like FBI Director Array are saying about
the possibility of attacks on critical infrastructure,

1244
01:42:28.520 --> 01:42:31.479
whether it's the electrical grid, which
of course would knock out most all of

1245
01:42:31.560 --> 01:42:34.279
this other stuff, especially if it
we're down to the link of time,

1246
01:42:35.479 --> 01:42:42.319
telecommunications, grid, water plants,
chemical plants. You know, if you

1247
01:42:42.399 --> 01:42:45.840
knocked out all of the rail systems
in the United States, you know how

1248
01:42:45.920 --> 01:42:48.039
many. My understanding and I could
be wrong about this, but I've read

1249
01:42:48.079 --> 01:42:51.479
this several times and I haven't researched
it recently, but there's like three days

1250
01:42:51.520 --> 01:42:56.720
worth of supplies in the supply chain
out there to your point. So you

1251
01:42:56.800 --> 01:42:59.560
know, even if it's a week, if after a week, if you

1252
01:42:59.600 --> 01:43:02.840
could do significant damage and the power's
not back on or you know, trucks

1253
01:43:02.880 --> 01:43:08.079
and trains can't run, we got
a real, real, major problem on

1254
01:43:08.159 --> 01:43:13.199
our hands. So yeah, I'm
glad that the FBI and others continue to

1255
01:43:13.319 --> 01:43:16.720
try to raise awareness about this and
that you know, it feels like people

1256
01:43:16.880 --> 01:43:20.119
at all levels of government are starting
to take this a lot more seriously,

1257
01:43:20.319 --> 01:43:23.880
especially as we see tensions ramp up. I don't know if you have to

1258
01:43:23.920 --> 01:43:26.760
catch it or not. Gary,
Jeff, I just saw a story today

1259
01:43:26.800 --> 01:43:30.800
on Twitter US Admiral warrens China can
lunch surprise attack for military drill, which

1260
01:43:30.840 --> 01:43:34.199
is in Newsweek. I just saw
that. I just saw that come across

1261
01:43:34.319 --> 01:43:39.760
Dave. So again, you know, and if you look at what Director

1262
01:43:39.880 --> 01:43:45.479
Ray is saying, so our nation
state adversaries advanced persistent threats usually what they're

1263
01:43:45.479 --> 01:43:47.840
called in the business, you know, China, Russia, others trying to

1264
01:43:48.079 --> 01:43:53.399
get back doors and footholds into our
system. Do you think in the event

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01:43:53.479 --> 01:43:57.520
of an attack on Taiwan or some
type of large scale attack anywhere, they

1266
01:43:57.600 --> 01:44:00.720
may not shut systems down and try
to cause chaos as a diversion, Well,

1267
01:44:00.760 --> 01:44:03.720
of course they would. You know
again, I'm this is Dave Hatter's

1268
01:44:03.760 --> 01:44:10.680
opinion exclusively. You can go out
and see what many many experts and military

1269
01:44:10.760 --> 01:44:15.520
leaders and government leaders have said.
In fact, now he just recently became

1270
01:44:15.560 --> 01:44:19.319
the former NSAY Director General, Paul
KNAKASONI you know, cybersecurity as national security.

1271
01:44:19.640 --> 01:44:25.119
I couldn't agree with that more because
you nailed it earlier. Are everything

1272
01:44:25.239 --> 01:44:29.479
is increasingly digital, everything is increasingly
interconnected. We rely on this stuff to

1273
01:44:29.560 --> 01:44:34.880
do everything, to to shop,
to work, to entertain ourselves. Hello

1274
01:44:35.319 --> 01:44:39.960
Dave, And this is one of
the reasons why I'm dead set against central

1275
01:44:40.000 --> 01:44:45.840
bank digital currency gearings. When you
had no way to do any sort of

1276
01:44:45.920 --> 01:44:48.840
transaction, sort of this truly old
school bartering. You know, I'll trade

1277
01:44:48.880 --> 01:44:54.359
it the hammer for that chicken.
If you knock these systems out, you'd

1278
01:44:54.479 --> 01:44:58.800
have no money you'd have no access
to anything. So yeah, it's it's

1279
01:44:58.840 --> 01:45:01.000
a real concern of mine. Well, and it should be a concern of

1280
01:45:01.239 --> 01:45:06.680
everyone, Dave. The fact is
there are still people just walking around aimlessly,

1281
01:45:08.720 --> 01:45:15.439
except that taking it for granted that
the technology is responsible for almost everything

1282
01:45:15.600 --> 01:45:18.439
that they do, every experience they
have, what they have to eat,

1283
01:45:18.520 --> 01:45:21.239
what they have to drink, whether
the lights come on or not. Can

1284
01:45:21.279 --> 01:45:28.720
you imagine attack on a norrad or
our air traffic control and we've got planes

1285
01:45:28.800 --> 01:45:31.279
falling out of the sky nine to
eleven and looked like a picnic. If

1286
01:45:31.319 --> 01:45:36.439
they could take out air traffic control
in this country and they and I'm sure

1287
01:45:36.520 --> 01:45:42.640
that's part of the cyber attack plan, would I would think that it would

1288
01:45:42.720 --> 01:45:45.960
be. I mean, you know, I am not an expert on GPS,

1289
01:45:45.119 --> 01:45:48.520
and I know the military has a
different encrypted system from what we use.

1290
01:45:49.119 --> 01:45:53.479
I don't know how airlines work with
that, But yeah, what if

1291
01:45:53.520 --> 01:45:59.359
you could just confuse these systems and
send long coordinates to ships at sea and

1292
01:45:59.439 --> 01:46:03.119
planes and the air trucks on the
ground. And as crazy as this sounds,

1293
01:46:03.159 --> 01:46:08.840
too, as our cars become rolling
computers, it's not far fetched.

1294
01:46:08.880 --> 01:46:11.000
And there's a story I know you
and I have talked about it in the

1295
01:46:11.079 --> 01:46:15.520
past. A well known story that
Wired magazine did where the reporter worked with

1296
01:46:15.560 --> 01:46:18.600
some hackers and they were able to
take over almost all of the systems in

1297
01:46:18.680 --> 01:46:24.239
a Jeep Grand Cherokee remotely. Now
that caused a recall and that's been fixed.

1298
01:46:24.279 --> 01:46:28.640
But again, all of these things
are being built. I would encourage

1299
01:46:28.640 --> 01:46:30.399
folks to go look if you just
want to see how crazy this is.

1300
01:46:30.560 --> 01:46:33.560
Mozit left. The people that make
the Firefox browser, which I recommend,

1301
01:46:33.640 --> 01:46:40.319
by the way, versus Google's Chrome, did a recent study of modern cars

1302
01:46:40.760 --> 01:46:44.760
and they looked at the crazy amount
of data your average new car is collecting

1303
01:46:44.840 --> 01:46:47.800
stuff that makes absolutely no sense and
has no bearing on your ability to use

1304
01:46:47.840 --> 01:46:50.920
the car to get you from point
A to point B. And my point

1305
01:46:51.039 --> 01:46:56.000
is less about the privacy, although
it's quite eye opening and hair raising in

1306
01:46:56.079 --> 01:46:59.960
my opinion, especially because I don't
think the average person understands what they's doing

1307
01:47:00.079 --> 01:47:02.560
it up for. But to be
able to collect all that data tells you

1308
01:47:02.800 --> 01:47:08.399
everything is a sensor, everything is
computerized, and if a hacker could break

1309
01:47:08.479 --> 01:47:11.840
into these systems, if you think
these cars, there's plenty of evidence that

1310
01:47:11.920 --> 01:47:15.680
the bottom about to say is true, are really being secured in a way

1311
01:47:15.720 --> 01:47:17.560
that they're unhackable? Well, of
course they're not, because they're like almost

1312
01:47:17.640 --> 01:47:23.319
all of this Internet of things stuff, it's always focused on ease of use,

1313
01:47:23.680 --> 01:47:27.920
market share, speed of market,
not privacy and security for the users.

1314
01:47:28.439 --> 01:47:30.720
And it's there are plenty of experts
out there who've been warning for some

1315
01:47:30.960 --> 01:47:35.720
time that, you know, a
particular make or model of car, or

1316
01:47:35.760 --> 01:47:41.239
maybe all the cars from a given
manufacturer could somehow be hacked and turned into

1317
01:47:41.239 --> 01:47:45.600
weapons at least at minimum, Like
you know, just disable your brakes for

1318
01:47:45.680 --> 01:47:48.760
any car that's rolling disabled to break. I don't want to accelerate, you

1319
01:47:48.840 --> 01:47:54.600
know, it's crazy. I don't
want a car that can be autonomously controlled

1320
01:47:54.800 --> 01:47:58.159
or autonomously driven. I don't want
to. I don't even want the car

1321
01:47:58.279 --> 01:48:01.800
that'll help me parallel that used to
be a part of the driving test and

1322
01:48:01.960 --> 01:48:05.600
still should be. Dave Hatter is
our guest, and we're gonna take a

1323
01:48:05.680 --> 01:48:10.680
quick break Dave and come back with
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1324
01:48:10.800 --> 01:48:16.199
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1329
01:48:34.720 --> 01:48:41.159
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1330
01:48:41.319 --> 01:48:45.640
Here's a story that does not surprise
me at all. It's something that

1331
01:48:45.079 --> 01:48:51.640
also has been forecast and could easily
be forecast. It's hijacking my brain.

1332
01:48:51.960 --> 01:48:58.880
Young people addicted to social media,
desperate for help. And it's not just

1333
01:48:59.239 --> 01:49:03.439
young people. I was getting on
the elevator today here at work. This

1334
01:49:03.520 --> 01:49:09.119
is just a small example, and
I see it everywhere. I see it

1335
01:49:09.159 --> 01:49:12.600
with people driving their cars, which
are not supposed to be doing in Ohio.

1336
01:49:13.239 --> 01:49:16.640
I see it in every facet where
you find other people out there.

1337
01:49:17.560 --> 01:49:23.760
They're not seeing you because they are, you know, ruining their posture and

1338
01:49:24.079 --> 01:49:28.720
are looking down at their phone as
they're trying to navigate through a grocery store

1339
01:49:28.880 --> 01:49:32.600
or a parking lot, or getting
on an elevator. The elevator was going

1340
01:49:32.720 --> 01:49:38.520
up to the studios here and the
door's open, and the guy just walked

1341
01:49:38.560 --> 01:49:41.199
in. He heard the bell and
saw the doors open, but he was

1342
01:49:41.239 --> 01:49:44.920
looking at his phone and it was
obviously he was on an upper floor.

1343
01:49:44.960 --> 01:49:46.760
I said, this is going up. He said, oh, no,

1344
01:49:46.920 --> 01:49:50.800
worries and stepped out. He wasn't
paying attention at all because he was locked,

1345
01:49:51.000 --> 01:49:56.720
brain locked into whatever he was looking
at on his device. And I

1346
01:49:56.880 --> 01:50:01.760
see it happen all the time.
And it's again and something that many of

1347
01:50:01.920 --> 01:50:09.600
the Facebook and these people knew.
They they've they've admitted in testimony that they

1348
01:50:09.720 --> 01:50:15.960
knew that this was addictive, especially
to a younger brain, and it's happening.

1349
01:50:17.760 --> 01:50:21.960
Yeah. Uh, it's sad.
I see the same thing you're describing

1350
01:50:23.039 --> 01:50:26.399
all the time. And there's a
new study out there. People can see

1351
01:50:26.439 --> 01:50:30.680
it for themselves at study finds dot
org. I don't think it's too shocking

1352
01:50:30.760 --> 01:50:33.680
what they're saying, but it is
kind of eye opening. You know,

1353
01:50:33.800 --> 01:50:38.840
they have some quotes from people,
the teens that they talk to is part

1354
01:50:38.880 --> 01:50:41.800
of this study. You know,
one of the quotes is TikTok has me

1355
01:50:41.840 --> 01:50:45.920
in a choke hold, and another
is I'd say I'm one thousand percent addicted.

1356
01:50:45.600 --> 01:50:49.079
And you know, I again not
shocked by this. I think it's

1357
01:50:49.079 --> 01:50:54.079
important for people to understand. You
can go back and you know, a

1358
01:50:54.880 --> 01:50:59.000
you touched on the fact that,
in many cases through leak documents or testimony,

1359
01:51:00.079 --> 01:51:02.359
you know, many of these companies
understand the negative impact of having on

1360
01:51:02.520 --> 01:51:05.960
people, but they're making enormous amounts
of money as a result of it.

1361
01:51:06.600 --> 01:51:12.039
And then b there was a guy
from Twitter in the early days of Twitter.

1362
01:51:12.479 --> 01:51:16.039
He left because he started to have
you know, remorse and regret about

1363
01:51:17.079 --> 01:51:24.680
helping build this whole attention system that
they've tried to create where you know,

1364
01:51:24.760 --> 01:51:28.000
they want to get your attention,
they want you to stay on their platform

1365
01:51:28.079 --> 01:51:30.920
as long as possible because you know, it means more impressions for the ads

1366
01:51:30.960 --> 01:51:34.880
they're selling, and it means more
data they can collect about you to build

1367
01:51:34.920 --> 01:51:38.840
more profiles and sell to other people, and all that kind of stuff that

1368
01:51:38.880 --> 01:51:43.279
comes along with it. And when
you look at what this guy had to

1369
01:51:43.359 --> 01:51:45.680
say, he said, you know, when they came up with this idea

1370
01:51:45.720 --> 01:51:48.439
of wipe down the refreshed screen,
it was sort of loosely based on the

1371
01:51:48.520 --> 01:51:51.840
idea of playing a slom machine.
You get that for people who enjoy that.

1372
01:51:53.079 --> 01:51:55.359
I'm not wanted them, by the
way, But for people who enjoy

1373
01:51:55.439 --> 01:51:58.960
that, you know, you get
that dopamine hit every time you pull the

1374
01:51:59.600 --> 01:52:02.399
handle. There's that anticipation you know
that something good is going to happen.

1375
01:52:03.000 --> 01:52:05.359
And you know, sadly with social
media guarage, Yeah, I think we

1376
01:52:05.439 --> 01:52:09.239
both know most of the time it's
more of a due scrolling and you're waiting

1377
01:52:09.279 --> 01:52:12.000
to see what the next bad thing
is going to be. Right, but

1378
01:52:12.119 --> 01:52:15.159
that it's literally kind of based on
the same idea as gambling, and that's

1379
01:52:15.279 --> 01:52:19.479
one of the things that makes it
so addictive for people. And Yeah,

1380
01:52:19.479 --> 01:52:23.760
when you look at this study from
study finds it, it's pretty interesting what

1381
01:52:23.880 --> 01:52:27.439
they found. I guess the good
news coming out of it is they found

1382
01:52:27.560 --> 01:52:30.439
as part of this study that you
know, you can do like a four

1383
01:52:30.479 --> 01:52:33.560
week intervention. And I thought they
had a really interesting take on this,

1384
01:52:34.319 --> 01:52:38.319
which is, you know, to
think of it like a diet, like

1385
01:52:38.439 --> 01:52:41.560
when you you know, if you
mix all kinds of bad stuff into your

1386
01:52:41.600 --> 01:52:45.039
diet, you're going to have bad
results. They're not saying that you should

1387
01:52:45.079 --> 01:52:48.119
just give it up entirely, but
they talk about this idea of a four

1388
01:52:48.159 --> 01:52:54.000
week intervention and trying to change your
habits and you know, figuring out how

1389
01:52:54.279 --> 01:52:58.600
because you know, there are legitimate
uses for some social media, but it's

1390
01:52:58.760 --> 01:53:00.159
it's pretty interesting what they can I'm
up with, and they you know,

1391
01:53:00.279 --> 01:53:04.039
said in the Study of Practice that
you can take right now to reduce your

1392
01:53:04.079 --> 01:53:08.159
dependence on social media, and then
they you know, list some of those

1393
01:53:08.199 --> 01:53:12.279
out there, like turn off notification, limit the apps you don't need or

1394
01:53:12.399 --> 01:53:15.439
that you find harmful, you know, unfollow certain accounts, and just a

1395
01:53:15.560 --> 01:53:19.840
variety of other things you can do
to sort of slowly start to wean yourself

1396
01:53:19.920 --> 01:53:24.720
off of these things, which I
think would be good for society, especially

1397
01:53:24.960 --> 01:53:28.399
to get off TikTok. Well,
I know you don't want to get into

1398
01:53:28.520 --> 01:53:31.399
deeply on it, but there's been
a lot of news about Google here in

1399
01:53:31.479 --> 01:53:40.760
the last week, including their AI
generated Gemini program, where it just was

1400
01:53:41.319 --> 01:53:46.520
very very strange when people were asking
for images of say, our founding fathers

1401
01:53:47.000 --> 01:53:53.439
or any number of the pope or
any number of things, and there were

1402
01:53:53.640 --> 01:54:00.880
mysteriously no white people generated by this. Because I guess that they their excuse

1403
01:54:00.119 --> 01:54:05.000
was they they're looking for diversity,
they're looking for cultural diversity, and they're

1404
01:54:05.000 --> 01:54:10.000
they're champions of that. And all
of that other what I consider nonsense.

1405
01:54:10.479 --> 01:54:15.920
But the fact of the matter is
still is that even AI at this point,

1406
01:54:16.000 --> 01:54:20.199
we don't think it's sentient yet where
it's making this up, this decision

1407
01:54:20.279 --> 01:54:28.079
on its own. It all comes
back to whoever is originally programming the AI

1408
01:54:29.039 --> 01:54:34.840
or working with the gosh, what
do you call them, the large language

1409
01:54:34.880 --> 01:54:41.039
model, Yeah, the large language
model and the other things that go into

1410
01:54:41.159 --> 01:54:45.520
these programs. It all goes algorithm, thank you very much. You know,

1411
01:54:45.680 --> 01:54:49.600
usually usually multi syllable words don't escape
me, but that one did.

1412
01:54:49.840 --> 01:54:56.800
Algorithm. But they're they're programmed in
by someone who's a human being to their

1413
01:54:56.920 --> 01:55:00.079
preferences, and and that's an that's
an issue too, isn't it with all

1414
01:55:00.159 --> 01:55:05.000
this stuff with AI? Yeah,
you know, Gary Jeff. Ever since

1415
01:55:05.079 --> 01:55:08.560
AI has sort of come to the
forefront of it, because this is not

1416
01:55:08.680 --> 01:55:11.319
a new concept. It's been around
for a long time, and it's kind

1417
01:55:11.359 --> 01:55:14.359
of caught on and then died off, of caught on and died off and

1418
01:55:14.399 --> 01:55:16.880
in the past primarily due to technological
limitations. Honestly, a lot of it

1419
01:55:17.039 --> 01:55:21.520
have been resolved now and we've seen
some amazing progress with these things from a

1420
01:55:21.640 --> 01:55:25.920
variety of different organizations. But yeah, at the end of the day,

1421
01:55:26.119 --> 01:55:29.960
you know, one of the concerns
has always been biased in the data that

1422
01:55:30.039 --> 01:55:32.840
you're using to train the large language
model, bias in the algorithms, you

1423
01:55:32.920 --> 01:55:36.239
know. And the algorithms are the
programs that the people who have built the

1424
01:55:36.319 --> 01:55:41.079
thing, you know, have written
to make it do what it does.

1425
01:55:42.000 --> 01:55:45.920
And yeah, the whole Google thing
recently has been getting a lot of flack.

1426
01:55:46.319 --> 01:55:49.520
There's an interesting guy, Mark Andresen, who was one of the founders

1427
01:55:49.560 --> 01:55:56.079
of Mozilla, the mosaic I'm sorry, rather Mosaic, the original web browser.

1428
01:55:56.760 --> 01:55:59.680
Uh. You know. He's a
venture capitalist and interesting dude. He's

1429
01:55:59.760 --> 01:56:02.800
been talking about this stuff a lot
on Twitter slash x. People can go

1430
01:56:03.079 --> 01:56:06.399
check out what he's what he's got
out there, and it's gotten a lot

1431
01:56:06.439 --> 01:56:10.279
of grief. But here's an interesting
related headline. And why you know,

1432
01:56:10.399 --> 01:56:15.600
I find some of these things very
concerning. AI models choose violence and escalated

1433
01:56:15.640 --> 01:56:18.079
to nuclear strikes in simulated war games, and I don't know how much time

1434
01:56:18.119 --> 01:56:20.880
we get left, so I'll keep
this really brief. But they basically said

1435
01:56:21.319 --> 01:56:26.600
the study by Cornell University in the
us U five ll ins as autonomous agents

1436
01:56:26.760 --> 01:56:32.520
simulated war games and diplomatic scenarios.
Three different versions of open ais GPT Claude

1437
01:56:32.560 --> 01:56:36.560
developed by Anthropic, and Lama too
developed by Meta. So rewinder, folks.

1438
01:56:36.680 --> 01:56:41.520
Meta is Facebook now basically right,
Meta is the parent company. And

1439
01:56:41.680 --> 01:56:45.399
you know, if you read through
this, it's it's pretty disturbing that they,

1440
01:56:45.800 --> 01:56:47.439
you know, seem to want to
go toward a violent outcome. So

1441
01:56:47.520 --> 01:56:49.840
yeah, I don't I don't think
we're at the sky that point yet,

1442
01:56:51.159 --> 01:56:55.159
but when you when you see all
the stuff coming out about this, and

1443
01:56:55.199 --> 01:56:58.439
there's also been a lot of talk
about how it seems like some of these

1444
01:56:58.560 --> 01:57:01.920
models have sort of peaked and are
starting to uh kind of I don't want

1445
01:57:01.920 --> 01:57:06.399
to go off the rails, but
lose their their capability and produce less good

1446
01:57:06.880 --> 01:57:11.119
output, if you will. So, yeah, this all bears watching.

1447
01:57:11.199 --> 01:57:15.520
It'll be really interesting to see where
this goes. But yeah, Google has

1448
01:57:15.560 --> 01:57:18.640
taken a major hit and received an
enormous amount of bad press. Yeah,

1449
01:57:18.680 --> 01:57:21.119
and one of the one of the
one of the things I saw, David,

1450
01:57:21.640 --> 01:57:28.399
and what you're talking about is that
this AI model preferred nuclear war over

1451
01:57:28.560 --> 01:57:33.760
misgendering someone. Yeah, that's that's
been some of the things that have shown

1452
01:57:33.840 --> 01:57:38.520
up. Well there's you know there
people asking it. Who's done more damage

1453
01:57:38.560 --> 01:57:45.800
to society Hitler or Elon Musk And
yeah again, you can get on Twitter

1454
01:57:45.880 --> 01:57:50.479
and see many, many examples of
people pointing out how some of these answers

1455
01:57:50.520 --> 01:57:55.840
are kind of crazy. Like again, you know, I can't imagine how

1456
01:57:55.960 --> 01:58:00.399
you could compare anyone to Hitler really, you know, or killed tens of

1457
01:58:00.439 --> 01:58:05.479
millions of people. People who do
that are always at peril of being laughed

1458
01:58:05.520 --> 01:58:11.439
at or just being totally you know, taken down, and they should be.

1459
01:58:11.880 --> 01:58:15.600
Dave Hatter, thank you so much, as always a wonderful conversation about

1460
01:58:15.600 --> 01:58:19.239
horrible things. My pleasure. Gars, Jeff, have a good one.

1461
01:58:19.520 --> 01:58:26.560
You got it. The Nightcap continues
in moments on seven hundred WLW News Traffic

1462
01:58:26.840 --> 01:58:34.399
and Weather News Radio seven hundred WLW, Cincinnati, Hey. Government shutdown looms

1463
01:58:34.560 --> 01:58:41.439
large again with the eleven thirty report
I'm Lee Mawen breaking. Now. They've

1464
01:58:41.520 --> 01:58:44.720
done it three times since last fall, and Congress may have to do it

1465
01:58:44.880 --> 01:58:49.720
a fourth time this week in passing
yet another temporary spending bill. ABC's Andy

1466
01:58:49.760 --> 01:58:55.680
Field tells us about the latest effort
to prevent another government shutdown. Senate Republican

1467
01:58:55.760 --> 01:59:00.119
leader Mitch McConnell warning fellow House Republicans
they must vote for another temporary spending bill

1468
01:59:00.279 --> 01:59:05.199
to avoid another government shutdown, saying
that will require that everyone rose in the

1469
01:59:05.319 --> 01:59:13.199
same direction toward clean appropriations and away
from poison pills. Those poison pills are

1470
01:59:13.319 --> 01:59:17.640
partisan add ons that the Senate Democratic
majority will not accept, forcing a shutdown.

1471
01:59:18.039 --> 01:59:24.560
Andyfield, ABC News Washington, Now
for the latest traffic and weather together.

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01:59:25.319 --> 01:59:30.039
Looking good Cincinnati, A little slow
trek from where seventy four and two

1473
01:59:30.119 --> 01:59:33.520
seventy five split off, heading towards
Indiana, but nothing to write home about

1474
01:59:34.159 --> 01:59:40.000
now the ladies forecast from the Train
Heating and Cooling Weather Center on news radio

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01:59:40.199 --> 01:59:45.159
seven hundred WLW. Heading to our
Tuesday morning, A few showers possible,

1476
01:59:45.239 --> 01:59:48.319
a morning low of fifty four,
mostly cloudy four our Tuesday, and a

1477
01:59:48.359 --> 01:59:54.279
few scattered showers, a high as
sixty nine at night, storms develop late,

1478
01:59:54.520 --> 01:59:59.119
A marginal risk of severe storms overnight, A loa forty five from your

1479
01:59:59.159 --> 02:00:04.520
severe weather stay. I'm nine first
warning cheap Meteorologist Steve Raleigh News Radio seven

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02:00:04.600 --> 02:00:11.439
hundred WLW. It's fifty nine degrees
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1481
02:00:11.600 --> 02:00:15.640
little speck of green, meaning it's
all clear. Does it seem like you're

1482
02:00:15.680 --> 02:00:18.600
paying less of the pump? It's
not just you. Gas is slightly cheaper

1483
02:00:18.640 --> 02:00:23.600
this week, says ABC's Alex Stone. In the past week, the price

1484
02:00:23.680 --> 02:00:27.680
of regular unleded has gone down two
cents to three twenty five a gallon,

1485
02:00:27.720 --> 02:00:31.000
according to new data from the Energy
Department. That analysts say more rising prices

1486
02:00:31.119 --> 02:00:34.880
will be coming as when near spring
and summer, when travel demand picks up.

1487
02:00:35.039 --> 02:00:39.760
Plus more areas of the country will
be switching to expensive summer blends of

1488
02:00:39.880 --> 02:00:45.279
gas in the coming weeks. Some
legal challenges for local company's merging plans.

1489
02:00:45.720 --> 02:00:47.840
The nearly twenty five billion dollar merger
was announced more than a year ago,

1490
02:00:48.000 --> 02:00:51.760
but the Federal Trade Commission has now
stepped in filing a lawsuit to block it.

1491
02:00:53.039 --> 02:00:56.680
The suit argues that if the deal
between Cincinnati bas Kroger and Albertson's goes

1492
02:00:56.720 --> 02:01:00.600
through, it will be bad for
competition and when negative impact consumers who would

1493
02:01:00.640 --> 02:01:04.079
end up paying more. Both are
grocery giants, with Croger the fifth largest

1494
02:01:04.119 --> 02:01:10.319
retailer in the US and Albertson's the
tenth biggest. I'm sean gallbager he's Radio

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02:01:10.439 --> 02:01:15.680
seven hundred WLW. Our next update
is at twelve o'clock. I'm Lee Mallen.

1496
02:01:15.920 --> 02:01:20.720
He's Radio seven hundred WLW. Sneezing, coughing, stuffy nose, runny

1497
02:01:20.800 --> 02:01:25.600
nose, post nasal drip, interrupted, sleeping. I just was groggy at

1498
02:01:25.640 --> 02:01:29.600
the end of the day, allergies
and sinus conject cap And that's not euphanism.

1499
02:01:29.760 --> 02:01:32.880
It means that we are rounding third
and heading for home in baseball parlance.

1500
02:01:33.359 --> 02:01:39.199
And we're doing so with our friend
who is fond of spouting off.

1501
02:01:39.640 --> 02:01:43.800
And that's one of the reasons that
I always rely on her for some fantastic

1502
02:01:43.920 --> 02:01:47.399
conversations. And it's yet another one
about to begin on this Monday night.

1503
02:01:48.000 --> 02:01:56.000
Karen Katalene KK, how is you? I is good and you are just

1504
02:01:56.279 --> 02:02:00.399
way too kind and generous for little
little me. It's always a pleasure to

1505
02:02:01.000 --> 02:02:03.600
you. It's a good thing,
I said, spouting and not spewing,

1506
02:02:04.640 --> 02:02:10.960
so anyway, because something different,
it would be something different. First and

1507
02:02:11.159 --> 02:02:16.159
foremost, we see now that the
presidential potted plans you like to see,

1508
02:02:16.479 --> 02:02:21.880
they're going to ship him to the
border this week finally like a weekend at

1509
02:02:21.920 --> 02:02:28.520
Bernie's moment and I mean, you
can barely tell. You can barely tell

1510
02:02:28.600 --> 02:02:31.720
that he has a pulse most of
the time. So this photo op,

1511
02:02:32.359 --> 02:02:38.960
which means absolutely nothing, was meant
to look like Joe Biden is doing something

1512
02:02:39.000 --> 02:02:43.720
when we all know he has done
everything in his power, as he likes

1513
02:02:43.800 --> 02:02:48.760
to say, to make sure that
the invasion continues full throttle on our border

1514
02:02:48.880 --> 02:02:54.560
of people who are criminals from Venezuela, like the one that just stabbed to

1515
02:02:54.640 --> 02:03:00.479
death the college student in Georgia,
like the gangs have been let in full

1516
02:03:00.640 --> 02:03:08.560
tilt, willy nilly, and all
kinds of Chinese, Chinese military age men

1517
02:03:08.760 --> 02:03:13.560
by the thousands, who have been
let in because of Joe Biden's policies when

1518
02:03:13.560 --> 02:03:16.039
he insisted that he could he'd done
all he could do, and yes,

1519
02:03:16.279 --> 02:03:20.560
he had done all he could could
do as president to make sure that the

1520
02:03:20.680 --> 02:03:27.960
invasion was going along and increasing exponentially
by the week, which is what's happened

1521
02:03:28.000 --> 02:03:30.239
over the last three years. So
now he's finally and there's talk about him

1522
02:03:30.720 --> 02:03:35.239
undoing what he did on day one
when he when he first was inaugurated president,

1523
02:03:35.279 --> 02:03:41.439
which undid all of President Trump's policies
that kept the border crisis at bay.

1524
02:03:43.000 --> 02:03:45.279
You know, so he's he's gone
from saying there was nothing he could

1525
02:03:45.319 --> 02:03:48.399
do, it was up to Congress. He needed more money, more resources,

1526
02:03:48.680 --> 02:03:55.159
which Democrats always need more money.
Uh. And and now now that

1527
02:03:55.680 --> 02:03:59.840
there's rumors afloat that before the State
of the Union address next month, he

1528
02:04:00.079 --> 02:04:05.199
will undo by executive order everything he
did and reinstate some of Donald Trump's policies

1529
02:04:05.279 --> 02:04:11.319
like stay in Mexico. Are you
surprised that they're finally turning around because they

1530
02:04:11.399 --> 02:04:15.800
see the poll numbers and they understand
that voters care about illegal immigration? What

1531
02:04:15.880 --> 02:04:19.239
do you think about all of this
care? You know what, it's all

1532
02:04:19.560 --> 02:04:24.960
a show. I don't think that
they care what the voters think. If

1533
02:04:25.000 --> 02:04:29.039
they had, they would have changed
it before. Now, they would have

1534
02:04:29.520 --> 02:04:34.640
changed course before. Now. Everything
that I've watched them do shows that they

1535
02:04:34.760 --> 02:04:42.760
really have very little regard for either
polls or what people think. You know,

1536
02:04:43.600 --> 02:04:47.520
I could be wrong, but I'm
noticing that. Hmm. This is

1537
02:04:47.600 --> 02:04:54.279
an election year. Yeah, right, and some voters, even though I

1538
02:04:54.359 --> 02:05:00.359
don't think they care what the voters
think, but some people have phenomenally short

1539
02:05:00.479 --> 02:05:06.319
memories, or they're going to suspend
every ounce of intellectual honesty or memory that

1540
02:05:06.439 --> 02:05:12.600
they have. I really don't know, but it bugs me. I guess

1541
02:05:12.760 --> 02:05:17.439
that more Republicans wouldn't say, now
that the shoe is supposedly on the other

1542
02:05:17.520 --> 02:05:21.720
foot, well wait a minute,
but I thought it was racist to control

1543
02:05:21.800 --> 02:05:28.319
your own border. I thought it
was racist for you to want to have

1544
02:05:28.479 --> 02:05:32.359
a say in who comes into your
country. And may they not want to

1545
02:05:32.520 --> 02:05:40.399
allow a completely porous border to allow
terrorists and other criminals who you have invented.

1546
02:05:40.720 --> 02:05:44.239
You don't know who's coming into this
country. If you think that you

1547
02:05:44.359 --> 02:05:47.960
have a right to do that,
I mean, isn't that racist and xenophoree?

1548
02:05:48.319 --> 02:05:53.359
But unfortunately Republicans don't play that way. They always seem to be more

1549
02:05:53.399 --> 02:05:58.079
comfortable, many of them playing defense. And by the way, Gary,

1550
02:05:58.199 --> 02:06:03.079
Jeff, we know, we know, don't we as I think the Babylon

1551
02:06:03.199 --> 02:06:09.159
b reminded us to one of those
other great cartoon memes that it's all Donald

1552
02:06:09.159 --> 02:06:15.119
Trump's fault. The only reason Joe
Biden can't secure the border is because it's

1553
02:06:15.199 --> 02:06:18.760
Donald Trump's fault. We're supposed to
forget everything we ever heard, know,

1554
02:06:19.479 --> 02:06:27.159
or live through about the resistance the
Democrats put up about the wall, right,

1555
02:06:27.880 --> 02:06:32.239
they would not fund that wall,
no matter what, and pretty much

1556
02:06:32.560 --> 02:06:40.760
even the person drunk behind a stupor
behind a rock knows that Donald Trump has

1557
02:06:40.840 --> 02:06:47.960
been talking about securing our border and
controlling illegal immigration and having on the campaign

1558
02:06:48.039 --> 02:06:54.520
tree. Yes, and look at
the flack he took for doing it.

1559
02:06:55.159 --> 02:06:58.600
He always of course the racist and
it I mean, the whole thing that

1560
02:06:59.079 --> 02:07:01.279
we're even talking about. Of course
we have to talk about it because it's

1561
02:07:01.359 --> 02:07:09.439
what we do. Almost means that
we're playing pretend like they are. You

1562
02:07:09.560 --> 02:07:15.760
have to pierce the armor of their
unreality because what they're claiming is not even

1563
02:07:15.880 --> 02:07:20.439
based in any kind of reality at
all. No, it's based in lies

1564
02:07:20.520 --> 02:07:27.439
and gaslighting, and they continue to
do it. Karen, I I just

1565
02:07:27.960 --> 02:07:32.119
what you just said about what Donald
Trump, what Donald said, what Donald

1566
02:07:32.199 --> 02:07:36.600
Trump, what Donald Trump said about
the border. Have you noticed how many

1567
02:07:36.960 --> 02:07:43.359
things that Donald Trump was absolutely dead
on right about when he came from China

1568
02:07:43.760 --> 02:07:50.079
to the border, to law enforcement, to It's like anybody with any kind

1569
02:07:50.119 --> 02:07:56.800
of you talk about short memories,
but anybody can look on a video and

1570
02:07:56.960 --> 02:08:00.720
go back to twenty fifteen and twenty
sixteen when he was campaign for president,

1571
02:08:00.760 --> 02:08:03.560
and all the things he said turned
out to be true. That were like

1572
02:08:03.680 --> 02:08:07.600
you said they were. They were
waylaid as racist, or he's an idiot,

1573
02:08:07.680 --> 02:08:13.159
or he doesn't know, he doesn't
understand statesmanship. All of the things

1574
02:08:13.239 --> 02:08:18.520
about that were said about him,
about him being a puppet of Putin,

1575
02:08:18.960 --> 02:08:22.439
when he kept us out of any
kind of foreign engagements for the entire time

1576
02:08:22.520 --> 02:08:28.279
he was in office, Donald Trump
has been right about everything except maybe the

1577
02:08:28.399 --> 02:08:31.760
COVID reaction. Other than that,
that was the only thing that Donald Trump

1578
02:08:31.840 --> 02:08:35.319
was wrong about, and it's been
proven over time. It's just me.

1579
02:08:35.800 --> 02:08:41.520
That's one of the reasons you can
see the motive for having played the game

1580
02:08:41.640 --> 02:08:48.920
of obfiscation and distraction, in making
it all about personalities, in trying to

1581
02:08:50.560 --> 02:08:54.640
whip people up into a frenzy about
how terrible and awful and horrible and no

1582
02:08:56.319 --> 02:09:03.439
amount of hyperbole and insanity is to
the man who has Jewish grandchildren, his

1583
02:09:03.680 --> 02:09:09.960
beloved daughter, one of them married
a Jewish guy, and he did more

1584
02:09:09.039 --> 02:09:18.279
for Israel than any presidents in recent
memory. They can call him a nettler

1585
02:09:18.920 --> 02:09:24.760
because nothing is too extreme for them, because they have a media that helps

1586
02:09:24.800 --> 02:09:28.760
them. So while people are being
whipped up into a frenzy and trying to

1587
02:09:30.159 --> 02:09:35.359
wane up each other about how much
say they're not paying attention to any of

1588
02:09:35.520 --> 02:09:41.600
the facts. And it's that's what
can be so frustrating, because you have

1589
02:09:41.760 --> 02:09:46.640
to be smarter than the operatives who
are whipping up hate not just for Trump,

1590
02:09:48.319 --> 02:09:54.359
but for each other, for differences
of opigion, for one hundred and

1591
02:09:54.439 --> 02:10:01.439
one things that it suits them and
feeds them when we're at each other's throats

1592
02:10:01.720 --> 02:10:07.239
and when it is just so obvious
to me. But sadly, what amazes

1593
02:10:07.359 --> 02:10:11.840
me is that very smart people,
people I've known for a long time,

1594
02:10:13.159 --> 02:10:20.479
or they are professed constitutionalists or conservatives
or Republicans, I think the great majority

1595
02:10:20.520 --> 02:10:24.800
of them see through it. But
there's still those who want to belong to

1596
02:10:24.880 --> 02:10:30.039
the right cliques in the right parties, so they're going to parent the same

1597
02:10:30.279 --> 02:10:37.800
information. So what we're watching is
just a grand propaganda scheme. I never

1598
02:10:37.880 --> 02:10:39.840
thought i'd see it in America to
the extent that we're watching it. But

1599
02:10:41.479 --> 02:10:45.119
that's what we're watching it. That's
what we're watching here. You're right,

1600
02:10:45.359 --> 02:10:46.760
I tell you what, Karen,
Let's take a quick break and we'll come

1601
02:10:46.840 --> 02:10:56.520
back and I'll ask you about endless
shrimp. Karen Katleen on the nightcap back

1602
02:10:56.600 --> 02:11:01.560
after a break on seven hundred WLW
is around the corner, which means the

1603
02:11:01.680 --> 02:11:05.560
rainy season will be here before you
know it. Have aqua proof out now,

1604
02:11:05.760 --> 02:11:09.239
so your yard and basement round to
find out how they could get some.

1605
02:11:09.079 --> 02:11:13.560
Well, pretty soon you won't be
able to go to you won't be

1606
02:11:13.600 --> 02:11:16.920
able to go to Red Lobster and
get endless shrimp. I don't know what

1607
02:11:18.079 --> 02:11:20.960
they were thinking when they made it
a permanent part of their menu, Karen,

1608
02:11:22.319 --> 02:11:26.840
the Red Lobster Corporation, because in
the last quarter they lost thirteen million

1609
02:11:26.920 --> 02:11:31.199
dollars and they blamed it all on
the endless shrimp promotion that they made permanent.

1610
02:11:31.760 --> 02:11:35.479
See the thing about this, and
I say, the reason that this

1611
02:11:35.680 --> 02:11:41.720
came to a head and the reason
that Red Lobster wound up losing their losing

1612
02:11:41.760 --> 02:11:48.960
their carcass over the endless shrimp.
I tie it losing their tails over the

1613
02:11:48.039 --> 02:11:54.600
endless shrimp. That's better. So
but I blame it on social media and

1614
02:11:54.720 --> 02:11:56.720
TikTok and the people are trying to
outdo each other, and it, you

1615
02:11:56.760 --> 02:12:01.960
know, it went viral, and
so now everybody wants to be a star.

1616
02:12:01.119 --> 02:12:05.319
Everybody wants to be famous, and
thanks to these social media platforms they

1617
02:12:05.399 --> 02:12:11.159
think they are, you know,
but when somebody when it's a competition online

1618
02:12:11.199 --> 02:12:15.560
of who can have the most endless
shrimp at Red Lobster, then you you

1619
02:12:15.680 --> 02:12:20.359
got to lose your tail over that. If you're in a business, you

1620
02:12:20.439 --> 02:12:26.680
don't need me for this interview.
Now. I have been an endless shrip

1621
02:12:26.840 --> 02:12:33.000
my whole life, so I did
not have to prove it to anybody,

1622
02:12:33.119 --> 02:12:37.119
nor am I any longer. I
used to be in the theater and made

1623
02:12:37.159 --> 02:12:43.039
my living as a performer, musical
comedy performer. Yeah, and then I

1624
02:12:43.199 --> 02:12:50.000
started watching I am fascinated, especially
today with people who want to be famous

1625
02:12:50.199 --> 02:12:56.600
or who think that external fame is
going to somehow make them happier, feed

1626
02:12:56.680 --> 02:13:03.960
their ego. It's just another I
don't know, it's did you see this

1627
02:13:03.079 --> 02:13:05.680
story? Did you see the story? Though? I mean Red Lobster used

1628
02:13:05.680 --> 02:13:09.600
to do as a promotion for like
a limited time only they do English shrimp,

1629
02:13:09.680 --> 02:13:13.600
but they decided last summer to make
it a permanent part of their menu,

1630
02:13:15.520 --> 02:13:18.800
and people just you know, they
gluttoned out and then they did it

1631
02:13:18.880 --> 02:13:22.800
online and then it was a competition
of who you know, I did seventy

1632
02:13:22.880 --> 02:13:26.920
four shrimp. I did seventy six
shrimp, and red Lobster's sitting there going,

1633
02:13:28.600 --> 02:13:33.760
we can't pay our employees because you
ate all the damn shrimp. If

1634
02:13:33.800 --> 02:13:37.479
I hadn't taught to you every week, I would never have known that about

1635
02:13:37.640 --> 02:13:43.279
rip lobster number one, number two, look at it. You know.

1636
02:13:45.199 --> 02:13:48.680
I guess they should put a big
sign in front of their restaurant that says,

1637
02:13:48.840 --> 02:13:56.199
even if it's free, it may
not be worth it. I mean,

1638
02:13:56.399 --> 02:14:01.159
and God bless them. Nothing against
the olive garden, but the endless

1639
02:14:01.520 --> 02:14:07.399
breadsticks and the endless salad never was
really a big draw for me. You

1640
02:14:07.520 --> 02:14:11.680
know that all you can eat buffets, which kind of went out with the

1641
02:14:11.840 --> 02:14:16.319
COVID thing and now have come back. But the all you can eat buffet

1642
02:14:16.479 --> 02:14:20.279
concept to me was always kind of
like, yeah, well, I can

1643
02:14:20.359 --> 02:14:22.840
only eat so much at a time, even when I was younger and maybe

1644
02:14:22.920 --> 02:14:26.640
a more robust eater, but I
mean, I can only eat so much.

1645
02:14:26.760 --> 02:14:30.159
So I don't know if it's worth
it to pay for all you can

1646
02:14:30.199 --> 02:14:33.000
eat it step instead, just pay
for what you want to eat. It

1647
02:14:33.199 --> 02:14:37.760
depends on the quality of the food. By here and there are some buffets,

1648
02:14:39.239 --> 02:14:43.439
There are some buffets where the quality
is not most many buffets are not.

1649
02:14:43.079 --> 02:14:48.560
Yeah, but I hate to overanalyze, which of course is my middle

1650
02:14:48.640 --> 02:14:54.960
name. You know, Y're an
overanalyze catiline. But it isn't a statement

1651
02:14:56.800 --> 02:15:01.600
on anything is free, no matter
whether people want it or not. I

1652
02:15:01.680 --> 02:15:05.680
mean, it's it's so interesting to
me that we're living in a culture where

1653
02:15:07.640 --> 02:15:15.479
people will abuse themselves in order to
get on Facebook. I don't think it's

1654
02:15:15.520 --> 02:15:20.640
a good idea to give this step
away for too long, especially when people

1655
02:15:20.680 --> 02:15:30.600
are so given to wanting something for
free. It's changing the whole culture,

1656
02:15:30.960 --> 02:15:37.079
the value, I would agree,
and people and see and see the gen

1657
02:15:37.199 --> 02:15:41.800
Z people think that living in a
free country means you get stuff for free

1658
02:15:43.119 --> 02:15:46.880
that you didn't earn it, and
that has nothing to do with freedom or

1659
02:15:46.960 --> 02:15:52.279
liberty. All right, Finally we
talked. We talked about the Republican primary

1660
02:15:52.720 --> 02:15:56.680
charade, as you called it earlier, and the charade is continuing thanks to

1661
02:15:56.800 --> 02:16:01.119
Nikki Hayley after getting trounced by twenty
points in her home state the people that

1662
02:16:01.319 --> 02:16:07.479
know her best by Donald Trump once
again. And then news came out that

1663
02:16:07.560 --> 02:16:13.560
the Koch brothers have decided that she's
not worth their money after all, when

1664
02:16:13.600 --> 02:16:16.039
they were one of the ones propping
her up. And that's no big surprise

1665
02:16:16.159 --> 02:16:22.880
either. You want to talk about
the establishment trying to support Nicky Haley's run

1666
02:16:22.920 --> 02:16:28.720
against Donald Trump too. I don't
know what the actual even what the reason

1667
02:16:28.960 --> 02:16:31.600
was for her to stay in as
long as she has, and she's still

1668
02:16:33.239 --> 02:16:35.159
she's still hanging on like a hair
and a grilled cheese sandwich. What's up

1669
02:16:35.200 --> 02:16:43.200
with that? The only reason she's
staying up in is because she's being propped

1670
02:16:43.440 --> 02:16:48.559
up by two main sources of money, money, money, money, the

1671
02:16:48.719 --> 02:16:54.559
Trump haters, never trumpers, and
a good many of the leftist Democrats who

1672
02:16:54.719 --> 02:17:01.399
want to make people believe that Trump
has serious opposition in his own party.

1673
02:17:03.360 --> 02:17:07.360
None of that is true. They're
always I guess that's been the theme,

1674
02:17:07.639 --> 02:17:13.239
is that appearances are more important in
reality than reality to a lot of people,

1675
02:17:13.959 --> 02:17:18.159
and they believe that if they can
give the impression of something, then

1676
02:17:18.399 --> 02:17:22.440
it will become true. One of
the politics I hated most political slogans is

1677
02:17:22.600 --> 02:17:30.040
in politics, perception is reality.
No. In politics, people create perceptions

1678
02:17:30.360 --> 02:17:35.760
and hope it will become reality.
So it's a sham. It's a scam,

1679
02:17:35.559 --> 02:17:43.479
and the whole primary was a sham. And yet the Democrats will use

1680
02:17:43.559 --> 02:17:50.840
gullible Republicans to tell everybody see the
Republican even the Republicans can't stand Donald Trump.

1681
02:17:52.680 --> 02:17:58.680
What nonsense. It's utter nonsense.
So if the Koch brothers backed out,

1682
02:18:00.399 --> 02:18:05.040
and if any of the significant money
like the Koch brothers drives up,

1683
02:18:05.559 --> 02:18:09.319
you will see Nicky Haley dropping out. That's the only reason she stayed in

1684
02:18:09.799 --> 02:18:13.120
was for the money that she's been
the most The most telling thing about this,

1685
02:18:13.360 --> 02:18:18.120
Karen and watching the last week and
a half two weeks was the interview

1686
02:18:18.159 --> 02:18:22.719
with Kevin Newsom where he called Nicky
Haley one of our one of our surrogates.

1687
02:18:24.000 --> 02:18:28.000
It was like wow, right out
there for everybody to hear, Gavin

1688
02:18:28.079 --> 02:18:33.239
Gruesome is saying Nicki Haley is a
Democrat surrogate. He admitted it, and

1689
02:18:33.360 --> 02:18:37.399
yet people aren't paying attention to it. No, they're not. Either he's

1690
02:18:37.479 --> 02:18:46.120
too dumb to lie or lying doesn't
matter anymore because they feel confident that they

1691
02:18:46.200 --> 02:18:50.120
can trounce all over the people and
get away with it. And I'm sorry

1692
02:18:50.200 --> 02:18:56.000
to say that that the second one
has been the case more than it has

1693
02:18:56.120 --> 02:19:01.479
not been. So we're having an
extraordinary times. My friend boy, oh

1694
02:19:01.559 --> 02:19:05.399
boy. Yeah. See, people
say, may you live in interesting times?

1695
02:19:05.479 --> 02:19:09.600
Well, I hope you yours are
more interesting than mine. Okay,

1696
02:19:09.399 --> 02:19:13.000
Karen Catialen, can you slap that
person? I just want to know.

1697
02:19:13.559 --> 02:19:18.959
Yeah, really, you you get
arrested for slapping whoever spent that first.

1698
02:19:18.200 --> 02:19:22.959
Yeah, I tell you what you
want to live in interesting times? You

1699
02:19:22.120 --> 02:19:26.840
go first, Okay, and I'll
sit back and watch. Karen Catialen,

1700
02:19:26.000 --> 02:19:31.719
thank you, dear, my pleasure. All right, spouting off once again

1701
02:19:31.799 --> 02:19:33.760
on the nightcap, And now we
bring you to the end of the program.

1702
02:19:33.879 --> 02:19:39.000
In our national anthem, Downer America, here is the star spangled banner.