1 00:00:16,199 --> 00:00:21,960 What is krack alackin Hardwood Knox listeners. I am Dana Valley coming at you 2 00:00:22,239 --> 00:00:28,120 this time with my fantabulous friend and longtime colleague. Clearly not a longtime friend 3 00:00:28,160 --> 00:00:31,920 though, just a longtime colleague, recent friend. Grant Hughes from Bleacher Report. 4 00:00:32,200 --> 00:00:37,399 Follow him on Twitter at GT Underscore Hughes. He is here because we 5 00:00:37,439 --> 00:00:41,039 are going to I don't know what the word is. We're gonna plunder or 6 00:00:41,119 --> 00:00:45,960 plow through division look aheads so that we can cover every NBA team what you 7 00:00:46,000 --> 00:00:49,880 expect from them in free agency in advance of free agency, which starts June 8 00:00:49,960 --> 00:00:55,439 thirtieth. So before we get started, though, Grant the most important question, 9 00:00:55,799 --> 00:01:00,240 how the hell are you? I'm doing very well. I think I 10 00:01:00,240 --> 00:01:07,599 don't know about plat I think we're gonna meander in a controlled fashion. Are 11 00:01:07,680 --> 00:01:11,519 as much control as we can muster because of how our conversations tend to go 12 00:01:12,280 --> 00:01:15,480 through free agency. So let's go with meander. How do you feel about 13 00:01:15,560 --> 00:01:19,120 meandering? I think meanders good because it's like we're gonna try and be coherent 14 00:01:19,120 --> 00:01:23,040 about it. But we don't watch the games. We don't know enough about 15 00:01:23,040 --> 00:01:26,359 every team. We don't know what we're talking about, so meanders, we're 16 00:01:26,359 --> 00:01:30,920 gonna controlled chaos is what we're all about on this podcast. Chaos sounds scary 17 00:01:30,959 --> 00:01:34,599 though, you know, see this is a perfect example. We haven't even 18 00:01:34,599 --> 00:01:40,920 started and we're already wasting time as a refresher. We're we could go long 19 00:01:40,920 --> 00:01:42,959 on every team, but because this becomes dated anyway, like free agency, 20 00:01:44,239 --> 00:01:47,799 news cycle change, everything we're aiming for less than ten minutes on every single 21 00:01:47,840 --> 00:01:49,840 team. Doesn't mean we're gonna get to everything, but we're the general elements 22 00:01:49,840 --> 00:01:53,799 of their free agency in off season. What we're looking to tackle. Grant 23 00:01:53,799 --> 00:01:57,439 and I did our biggest question for essentially each of these teams. There were 24 00:01:57,480 --> 00:01:59,840 a few teams that we didn't cover. I think it was during a playoff 25 00:02:00,120 --> 00:02:01,760 nation point. So you can go back and check those pods. But if 26 00:02:01,760 --> 00:02:06,079 you're wondering why we didn't spend eighty minutes on your team, it's because we 27 00:02:06,359 --> 00:02:09,520 have ten or less, just for anyone who's wondering. And with that said, 28 00:02:09,560 --> 00:02:14,319 we're beginning with the Pacific Division. If you didn't read the podcast title, 29 00:02:14,479 --> 00:02:16,319 which respect to listening for this without seeing what the title is, that's 30 00:02:16,319 --> 00:02:21,960 true commitment and alphabetical sounds right, or did you want to go in in 31 00:02:22,000 --> 00:02:25,479 some sort of wind low loss order. I feel like alphabetical it's risky for 32 00:02:25,560 --> 00:02:30,599 us, right, But isn't that part of like the danger that we might 33 00:02:30,680 --> 00:02:32,879 jump from Golden State to Sacramento is part of the charm of this podcast. 34 00:02:34,159 --> 00:02:37,800 I think, I think it's important to take risks, and I think for 35 00:02:37,919 --> 00:02:42,560 us, proceeding alphabetically is definitely it's a gamble. But you gotta stretch a 36 00:02:42,560 --> 00:02:44,400 little bit, you know, you have to face your fears. So I 37 00:02:44,400 --> 00:02:47,840 think we should go alphabetically with just with the caveat that like, we probably 38 00:02:47,840 --> 00:02:51,719 will get it wrong at some point. So we'll begin with the Warriors, 39 00:02:51,719 --> 00:02:54,240 and the last housekeeping note is I'll begin each of these teams with just a 40 00:02:54,319 --> 00:02:58,759 quick run through of key free agents and what their best spending tool will be. 41 00:02:59,360 --> 00:03:01,319 And with that, Grant, we're about to be on the clock. 42 00:03:01,360 --> 00:03:07,159 Are you ready? I'm nervous, but I'm ready. The Golden State Warriors, 43 00:03:07,199 --> 00:03:09,639 the NBA champion Golden State Warriors, no less, which is why Grant 44 00:03:09,719 --> 00:03:13,599 is just euphoric right now. He's in a muscle T shirt. He's really 45 00:03:13,759 --> 00:03:16,800 he's really feeling himself. After that, Warriors Championship. Key free agents Gary 46 00:03:16,800 --> 00:03:22,000 Payton, Second, Kavan Looney and Amania be elitesa Otto Border junior want to 47 00:03:22,000 --> 00:03:24,719 Scotto Anderson. You can throw Damian Lee under there if you would like as 48 00:03:24,800 --> 00:03:29,960 well. Jordan Pools also extension eligible, as is Draymond Green, but Jordan 49 00:03:30,000 --> 00:03:32,240 pool just being on his rookie contract. Those are the extensions we care about 50 00:03:32,280 --> 00:03:36,680 the most. Their best spending tool. It will be the mini mid level 51 00:03:36,719 --> 00:03:40,159 exception if they want to use it. So, Grant, what are you 52 00:03:40,199 --> 00:03:45,639 watching for from the Golden State Warriors in free agency? Well? So, 53 00:03:45,759 --> 00:03:47,879 I think I think Andrew Wiggins is extension eligible too. He has excuse me, 54 00:03:47,960 --> 00:03:53,439 I apologize. And Pools are on the hunt for the bag, as 55 00:03:53,479 --> 00:03:57,680 they said like twenty minutes after they won the title, which is kind of 56 00:03:57,680 --> 00:04:01,759 concerning as a warrior man, but they've deserved They've earned it. You know, 57 00:04:01,879 --> 00:04:04,000 do you win a title, you can ask for whatever you want. 58 00:04:04,319 --> 00:04:08,919 I think my main issue is, you know, and this is where the 59 00:04:08,919 --> 00:04:12,199 team is headed. I think in an ideal world is how many of the 60 00:04:12,240 --> 00:04:15,800 guys that are free agents are they going to bring back? And I think 61 00:04:15,480 --> 00:04:20,199 ideally like all of them would be the answer, because you know, especially 62 00:04:20,279 --> 00:04:25,839 with respect to Porter, Peyton and Looney, those guys are you know, 63 00:04:26,360 --> 00:04:30,800 key players at key spots that mean a lot to the team, and you 64 00:04:30,839 --> 00:04:34,199 know, instead of being concerned with like can we it's not realistic to upgrade 65 00:04:34,199 --> 00:04:39,160 those because those guys just you know, they contributed to a championship. The 66 00:04:39,199 --> 00:04:42,639 idea for them is that the organic growth of the young guys kind of offsets 67 00:04:42,959 --> 00:04:45,800 you know, maybe you don't get the same level of production from those three 68 00:04:45,800 --> 00:04:47,199 guys. You want them back anyway, so you're not going out looking for 69 00:04:47,240 --> 00:04:51,079 major upgrades. I think it'll be difficult to keep all of their free agents. 70 00:04:51,120 --> 00:04:54,560 I mean even down to like be Elites. It would be nice to 71 00:04:54,560 --> 00:04:58,519 have back because he had his moments and he has specific skills that are hard 72 00:04:58,560 --> 00:05:02,680 to find, and he made the minimum. So all a lot of these 73 00:05:02,720 --> 00:05:05,800 guys are going to be in line for raises. It's gonna be difficult to 74 00:05:06,000 --> 00:05:10,920 bring some of them back without getting up to like four hundred million and payroll 75 00:05:10,959 --> 00:05:14,920 plus tax penalties. So it's just for this team, it's a question of, 76 00:05:15,000 --> 00:05:19,759 like what's your threshold for spending and do you think you can do any 77 00:05:19,800 --> 00:05:24,839 better than just bringing the band back, which and I'm skeptical that they can. 78 00:05:25,000 --> 00:05:28,639 So, so that's kind of my my macro uh you know, overlook 79 00:05:28,680 --> 00:05:32,120 of this team. Yeah, if they want another checkbook win, they're they're 80 00:05:32,160 --> 00:05:35,680 gonna need to bring back the band, like you say. And look, 81 00:05:35,720 --> 00:05:40,199 if they don't care about the money, which we know that they invariably will, 82 00:05:40,279 --> 00:05:44,759 Joe lacop can say whatever you want. Every team governor has a threshold 83 00:05:44,800 --> 00:05:46,720 and what they're willing to spend. Gary Payton a second, something I didn't 84 00:05:46,759 --> 00:05:49,600 realize until day Rue pointed out. I forgot they signed him last seasons. 85 00:05:49,600 --> 00:05:54,000 They have early bird rights, which means that they can pay him basically more 86 00:05:54,000 --> 00:05:56,800 than the non tax payers made level exception is what that's going to mount to. 87 00:05:56,879 --> 00:05:59,360 So you can keep our guess, Gary Payton a second, if you 88 00:05:59,360 --> 00:06:03,399 want to. You can obviously definitely keep Cavan Mooney. You have his whole 89 00:06:03,439 --> 00:06:06,079 bird rights. So like, those are two guys that if you want back, 90 00:06:06,560 --> 00:06:11,000 they'll be back, And that will be where the criticism sort of lies, 91 00:06:11,120 --> 00:06:14,839 insofar as if there's any were they willing to pay to bring these guys 92 00:06:14,879 --> 00:06:17,879 back. Otto Porter Junior is more difficult. I don't. They can only 93 00:06:17,879 --> 00:06:23,000 go as high as the mini mid level exceptions, so like six point three 94 00:06:23,079 --> 00:06:25,759 six point four. I don't know if he gets more than that. I 95 00:06:25,800 --> 00:06:28,680 think in a wing starved market, I could see a one or two year 96 00:06:28,680 --> 00:06:31,759 deal from another team in which he would get a multi year deal, but 97 00:06:31,879 --> 00:06:36,839 he does get the full non taxpayer I'm wondering to you though, is and 98 00:06:38,040 --> 00:06:41,720 I think this is part of the calculus. What do you expect if you 99 00:06:41,759 --> 00:06:45,399 had to guess in terms of extensions and who they're going to bring back, 100 00:06:46,000 --> 00:06:49,720 what happens this offseason, then how does that impact what they actually need on 101 00:06:49,759 --> 00:06:53,560 the free agent There's like that's a bad way to phrase the question. There's 102 00:06:53,560 --> 00:06:56,720 so many moving parts here where it's if you want them to get another big 103 00:06:57,040 --> 00:07:00,879 are you assuming that Cavan Mooney's leaving or that James Wiseman is going to be 104 00:07:00,920 --> 00:07:02,920 a net zero next year? And if you're not getting Auto Porter Junior back, 105 00:07:03,000 --> 00:07:06,600 is this something you go outside the organization to try and find another cheap 106 00:07:08,040 --> 00:07:11,600 combo forward wing whatever he is, or are you banking on Comingo and Moody 107 00:07:12,160 --> 00:07:15,560 If you don't extend Wiggins, what does that say like you need to then 108 00:07:15,600 --> 00:07:18,399 just put a contingency wing in place, because he's your most important wing defender 109 00:07:18,399 --> 00:07:21,759 who could technically leave the following summer. So what are your sort of you 110 00:07:21,800 --> 00:07:27,240 know, if I had to starting with like their core free agents GP two 111 00:07:27,360 --> 00:07:31,160 out of Porter, Junior, Kavan, Looney, be Elitsa JTA, who 112 00:07:31,160 --> 00:07:36,079 among those do you expect to be back? I think I think Peyton and 113 00:07:36,160 --> 00:07:43,720 Looney. Looney specifically because just the I mean, I think he's so beloved 114 00:07:43,759 --> 00:07:46,399 and has been there for his whole career and just had this like for him 115 00:07:46,519 --> 00:07:50,120 short like a kind of sounds so stupid, but like kind of like a 116 00:07:50,120 --> 00:07:56,879 magical playoff run for him, because he's just like he just wasn't, you 117 00:07:56,920 --> 00:08:00,439 know, thought of as like a key figure. He was like stop gap 118 00:08:00,560 --> 00:08:03,360 center, a ceremonial starter. Draymond would finish every game he Draymond would play 119 00:08:03,399 --> 00:08:05,720 at the five and all the minutes that mattered, and that just wasn't true. 120 00:08:05,800 --> 00:08:11,639 Looney like sincerely won them playoff games. And so I think combine all 121 00:08:11,639 --> 00:08:16,279 that he's the most likely to be back, and factoring into that, you 122 00:08:16,319 --> 00:08:20,720 know, non stretch centers just aren't going to get paid that much. Looney 123 00:08:20,800 --> 00:08:24,279 is a switchable center though, still, which is for sure. I think 124 00:08:24,319 --> 00:08:26,439 I think there are a lot of teams that could use what he does. 125 00:08:26,000 --> 00:08:30,639 Peyton, I think is also fairly likely to be back. He's super hard 126 00:08:30,639 --> 00:08:33,200 to replace. He's such a weird player. I think a lot of teams 127 00:08:33,240 --> 00:08:37,480 would kind of struggle to fit him in as well as the Warriors do Porter. 128 00:08:37,559 --> 00:08:43,080 I could see Porter just because he fits anywhere at the at the wing 129 00:08:43,159 --> 00:08:46,919 position, he can shoot it. I could see him getting, you know, 130 00:08:46,960 --> 00:08:50,720 an offer that the Warriors kind of look at and say, I think 131 00:08:50,759 --> 00:08:54,840 maybe Moses Moody and Jonathan Comigia are going to play enough quality minutes or better 132 00:08:54,919 --> 00:09:00,759 minutes to offset losing Porter. So like, yeah, totally agree. The 133 00:09:01,080 --> 00:09:05,639 moving parts, the theoretical improvement of the rook of the young guys makes it 134 00:09:05,679 --> 00:09:11,240 difficult to understand to know sort of, you know, how high a priority 135 00:09:11,279 --> 00:09:13,720 DoD the Worriors put on retaining any of these guys, because you're invested in 136 00:09:13,799 --> 00:09:18,440 James Wiseman still like, sorry, but you are, so you're really going 137 00:09:18,480 --> 00:09:22,559 to spend you know, let's say eight nine million dollars on Cavan Luney, 138 00:09:22,600 --> 00:09:26,279 which is going to cost you like four x five x with the tax penalties, 139 00:09:26,759 --> 00:09:30,759 and have Wiseman be like your third center on the depth chart, depending 140 00:09:30,799 --> 00:09:33,519 on how you still feel about dream On. So I do think, just 141 00:09:33,600 --> 00:09:37,360 to summarize, Peyton and Luney, I think are the highest priorities and the 142 00:09:37,399 --> 00:09:41,639 most likely to be back of those of all those guys you mentioned, and 143 00:09:41,799 --> 00:09:46,480 Porter may go and then, but ultimately I think they're pretty confident that they'll 144 00:09:46,559 --> 00:09:50,159 they can. If they lose those guys, they're going to backfill with the 145 00:09:50,240 --> 00:09:54,159 young guys playing more and playing better and just finding minimums elsewhere. Yeah, 146 00:09:54,240 --> 00:09:58,039 which is why I don't think it's center like another because I expect we need 147 00:09:58,039 --> 00:10:01,120 to be back, and so that feels wrapped up like if you can't get 148 00:10:01,159 --> 00:10:03,279 the elites back at the minimum, it will be someone else. And so 149 00:10:03,360 --> 00:10:05,039 I think that they need to focus more on perimeter players. Do you have 150 00:10:05,039 --> 00:10:09,000 any free agent targets that you were looking to see them go after, well, 151 00:10:09,080 --> 00:10:13,080 for the for a sort of the Porter replacement. We're talking minimums. 152 00:10:13,159 --> 00:10:15,919 I think just generally speaking, I don't know that it's a lock that they'll 153 00:10:16,000 --> 00:10:18,480 use the mini mid level just because of what it's going to cost, you 154 00:10:18,480 --> 00:10:24,000 know, for with tax and everything, you know, like your Wes Matthews 155 00:10:24,159 --> 00:10:28,159 Abdel Nador Tony Snell like I think, I think you know t J. 156 00:10:28,320 --> 00:10:31,759 Warren is someone that would definitely not be available for the minimum, but if 157 00:10:31,759 --> 00:10:35,080 you could. I don't know, if the cards fell in a favorable way 158 00:10:35,080 --> 00:10:37,639 and he was available for the tax pyramid level obviously, Like that's a risk 159 00:10:37,679 --> 00:10:41,120 you might want to take given is basically two years off. I think the 160 00:10:41,159 --> 00:10:46,480 Warriors can afford to do that with the guard stuff. If you lose Peyton, 161 00:10:46,519 --> 00:10:48,200 you just need to find the lockdown defensive guard, I think, because 162 00:10:48,279 --> 00:10:52,080 that's a sort of an integral piece for this roster and you're again kind of 163 00:10:52,080 --> 00:10:56,000 scraping like Chris Dunn, I think is someone you want to look at. 164 00:10:56,279 --> 00:11:03,039 Hownetto underrated defender can be like third guard Michael Carter Williams has not played for 165 00:11:03,039 --> 00:11:05,039 a year, but someone like that that can just just go out there and 166 00:11:05,080 --> 00:11:07,720 defend, because that's really all they ask Peyton to do. He just happened 167 00:11:07,720 --> 00:11:11,279 to be a great cutter and made some corner threes, but things, you 168 00:11:11,320 --> 00:11:16,000 know, things like that, I think you really are looking at guys that 169 00:11:16,639 --> 00:11:20,080 just have real niche skills that you want to fit in there. Yeah, 170 00:11:20,159 --> 00:11:24,399 I guess I've always up I think GP two. Maybe he's not the most 171 00:11:24,399 --> 00:11:26,360 likely to return. I think he's their most important free agent, even more 172 00:11:26,399 --> 00:11:31,279 so than Kavan Looney. The names I have for them, I don't know 173 00:11:31,320 --> 00:11:35,799 that all these would be minimum names. Derk Jones Jr. Would be interesting 174 00:11:35,799 --> 00:11:37,600 here. I don't know what his market is. Torrian Prince, I think 175 00:11:37,639 --> 00:11:41,080 would have to be like a mini mL E guy, or at least like 176 00:11:41,159 --> 00:11:43,399 part of it. I don't know what the Wolves will want to pay him, 177 00:11:43,399 --> 00:11:46,480 but he would be I think he'd be great for the Warriors, looking 178 00:11:46,519 --> 00:11:48,960 at how he could hit threes and just like a body defensively, not a 179 00:11:48,000 --> 00:11:52,720 great defender. And then the other one, my final one was Utah Wanton 180 00:11:52,759 --> 00:11:56,399 Abby, who's just like sort of a do it all wing, big wing 181 00:11:56,840 --> 00:12:00,879 that hasn't played a ton and probably a little bit were at certain points and 182 00:12:00,919 --> 00:12:03,559 the Warriors might like from their wings. But I don't know if Toronto's going 183 00:12:03,600 --> 00:12:05,720 to give him more than the minimum when he wasn't part of their their rotation. 184 00:12:05,759 --> 00:12:07,879 How Well, Netto was a good name, though, if you're gonna 185 00:12:07,919 --> 00:12:13,799 lose GP two, that feels like someone who might be available within the Warriors 186 00:12:13,879 --> 00:12:16,600 price range. I mostly don't expect a very eventful offseason from this team. 187 00:12:16,639 --> 00:12:20,799 They don't even have contracts to trade, and there's no urgency to make when 188 00:12:20,919 --> 00:12:26,639 now like moves because they just won, like they are winning now very quickly. 189 00:12:26,240 --> 00:12:31,440 Among the two most important extension eligible candidates, you can look dram On 190 00:12:31,519 --> 00:12:33,919 Green into here. But do you foresee an extension for Jordan Pool or Andrew 191 00:12:33,919 --> 00:12:37,080 Wiggins or who do you think is most likely to sign one? I think 192 00:12:37,120 --> 00:12:39,679 Pool is most Like I don't. I don't think they're going to talk about 193 00:12:39,720 --> 00:12:43,440 an extension for a Green at all. I mean it'll be a shortcom I 194 00:12:43,480 --> 00:12:46,480 mean Clutch might, but I don't know that there's not going to be a 195 00:12:46,480 --> 00:12:52,200 lot of reciprocation on that. I think Pool is the one you probably will 196 00:12:52,240 --> 00:12:56,120 be most likely to see, And like it's kind of scary to imagine one 197 00:12:56,200 --> 00:13:01,840 hundred million dollars extension for him because like he's an extreme one way player and 198 00:13:01,919 --> 00:13:05,120 not to say he can't get better, but but you just sort of have 199 00:13:05,159 --> 00:13:09,159 to do that because I think he's just the potential for him to be an 200 00:13:09,159 --> 00:13:15,120 even better offensive player is very realistic, and I think you can find defenders 201 00:13:15,159 --> 00:13:18,360 at other positions and you can get away with a small guard being a bad 202 00:13:18,360 --> 00:13:22,080 defender. Curry was that early in his career and has improved not to like, 203 00:13:22,240 --> 00:13:26,919 it's unfair to compare anyone to Curry growth trajectory wise, but it's doable. 204 00:13:28,360 --> 00:13:33,320 Wiggins. I think I don't know what I put the Wiggins extension odds 205 00:13:33,360 --> 00:13:39,320 at below Pool above Green, but I'd say i'd say it's probably like less 206 00:13:39,320 --> 00:13:45,279 than fifty percent that they extend Wiggins just they want to preserve that salary slot. 207 00:13:45,279 --> 00:13:48,720 I think that's important, But they don't need to extend him necessarily to 208 00:13:48,759 --> 00:13:52,440 do that, because they'll be able to retain him, you know, using 209 00:13:52,480 --> 00:13:54,919 bird rights going forward if he gets to free agency. Yeah, I'm with 210 00:13:54,960 --> 00:13:58,840 you, and I think it's probably more likely than not they extend Pool just 211 00:13:58,879 --> 00:14:03,799 because what he provides or his peak is harder to replace than what Andrew Wiggins 212 00:14:03,879 --> 00:14:05,799 is doing. I think the war is very much believe that they could just 213 00:14:05,799 --> 00:14:09,039 plug and play wings in Andrew Wiggins being like a prime example of that. 214 00:14:09,440 --> 00:14:13,639 We were less than a minute over our time limit on the Warriors. Congratulations 215 00:14:13,639 --> 00:14:18,080 to us. That brings us to the Los Angeles Clippers, key free agents 216 00:14:18,080 --> 00:14:20,320 for them, they've already extended Robert Covington, so he is off the board. 217 00:14:20,600 --> 00:14:24,519 Nicholas Batum they have early bird rights on him. A Mere Coffee is 218 00:14:24,519 --> 00:14:28,519 a restricted free agent, they have fullbird writs on him. And probably the 219 00:14:28,639 --> 00:14:31,240 most underrated free agent or what definitely the most underrated free agent, Big Isaiah 220 00:14:31,279 --> 00:14:37,360 Hartenstein. He is a non bird free agent and what spectacular for them. 221 00:14:37,600 --> 00:14:39,600 Their best spending tool, if they want to use it, is going to 222 00:14:39,639 --> 00:14:45,159 be the Mini mL. However, they also have two sizeable trade traded player 223 00:14:45,159 --> 00:14:46,759 exceptions if they want to use them. There's the one that they got from 224 00:14:46,759 --> 00:14:50,720 the Rondo deal that's a eight point two five million. It expires on July 225 00:14:50,799 --> 00:14:54,000 eighteenth, so they would need to use it this summer. And then there's 226 00:14:54,000 --> 00:14:58,240 the Surgebaca one at nine point three million that will expire around the trade deadline 227 00:14:58,679 --> 00:15:03,799 of next season. What are you expecting from them in free agency? Any 228 00:15:03,960 --> 00:15:07,840 like thoughts? Well, do you even think that because of the TPS that 229 00:15:07,879 --> 00:15:11,720 they just might end up being a little bit more aggressive than a team in 230 00:15:11,759 --> 00:15:15,799 their tax situation normally would be? Yeah, I think they really strike me 231 00:15:15,840 --> 00:15:18,960 as much more of a trade kind of in terms of like how what sorts 232 00:15:20,000 --> 00:15:24,279 of transactions are they gonna utilize to improve the roster, which is in theory 233 00:15:24,320 --> 00:15:26,919 it's super good if you get you know, all the big guns back and 234 00:15:26,960 --> 00:15:31,480 everybody's set to go. I mean, they're they're they're a legit contender to 235 00:15:31,480 --> 00:15:37,360 me that I think they just need. I think Reggie Jackson's solid, uh 236 00:15:37,000 --> 00:15:41,000 you know, Terrence Man not really a pure point guard. I think they 237 00:15:41,000 --> 00:15:45,559 need an upgrade and sort of the playmaking department, especially if you're banking on 238 00:15:46,279 --> 00:15:50,440 kawhile inter missing X number of games, just price that in. You're gonna 239 00:15:50,440 --> 00:15:54,639 need someone else, I think to supplement Paul George so I kind of you. 240 00:15:54,799 --> 00:15:58,919 I look at guards, playmakers, whatever position, but specifically point guard 241 00:15:58,919 --> 00:16:03,120 types that as their free agent targets. I think again to going back to 242 00:16:03,159 --> 00:16:07,639 the sort of the avenues to improve, I think are really trades like they're 243 00:16:08,320 --> 00:16:15,960 they're among the few realistic Kyrie Irving trade destinations just because they have several salaries 244 00:16:15,960 --> 00:16:21,639 that they can throw together of quality rotation guys like Kennard Jackson throw him in 245 00:16:21,679 --> 00:16:26,039 there too, Norm Powell, Marcus Morris, like they have ways to cabble 246 00:16:26,080 --> 00:16:30,919 salary together for not necessarily Irving, but sort of whatever bigger name might shake 247 00:16:32,000 --> 00:16:36,480 loose, but free agency I don't really expect to be a major sort of 248 00:16:36,519 --> 00:16:40,120 avenue for improvement for them. I don't know if you feel differently, No, 249 00:16:40,200 --> 00:16:41,679 I'm with you. They maybe they go out. I know they like 250 00:16:41,759 --> 00:16:45,240 to play small, but maybe they go out and get another big, just 251 00:16:45,279 --> 00:16:51,080 because I would assume that Hartenstein leaves and you still have to fill the minutes 252 00:16:51,080 --> 00:16:53,600 behind Zobots if you don't want to go small all the time, and you 253 00:16:53,639 --> 00:16:57,600 could find a quality big but not probably one that's going to be as good 254 00:16:57,639 --> 00:17:00,799 as Hartenstein, who I think might get non taxplayer's mid level, by the 255 00:17:00,799 --> 00:17:04,839 way, but you can at least maybe fill those minutes and then just commit 256 00:17:04,839 --> 00:17:07,759 to playing small. I would also agree that in addition to the TPEs like 257 00:17:08,759 --> 00:17:11,440 they have, they're the rare team with an excess of wings, and I 258 00:17:11,480 --> 00:17:15,359 feel like they could view Marcus Morris Senior sort of the odd man out. 259 00:17:15,720 --> 00:17:18,480 If you're bringing back coving you brought back Covington already. Kawai and Paul George 260 00:17:18,480 --> 00:17:22,160 you're hoping they're healthy. Even if you bring back him your coffee who. 261 00:17:22,160 --> 00:17:25,880 I think he's one of the more underrated free agents as well. Can you 262 00:17:26,000 --> 00:17:30,079 use Marcus Morris Senior to get different guard help I proposed and Clippers fans didn't 263 00:17:30,119 --> 00:17:33,160 hate it. He's not going to give you a ton of passing rim pressure. 264 00:17:33,200 --> 00:17:37,559 But Jordan Clarkson for Marcus Morris Senior cut your tax bill. Jordan Carson 265 00:17:37,640 --> 00:17:41,440 is a player option that he probably declines next year. I would guess at 266 00:17:41,519 --> 00:17:45,279 this point could be more flexible there the other thing I wanted to throw at 267 00:17:45,279 --> 00:17:48,359 you, and I think we're pretty much in the realm of trade targets here 268 00:17:48,480 --> 00:17:51,240 because I just don't know, you know, if you want to try and 269 00:17:51,279 --> 00:17:55,680 sign like a like would Rubio go to you and you're just find not having 270 00:17:55,759 --> 00:17:59,480 him until the middle of next year. I think even named like the lawn 271 00:17:59,599 --> 00:18:02,920 right probably more than will cost more than Mini mL E. Tias Jones is 272 00:18:02,920 --> 00:18:07,519 definitely getting more than that. I consider Dennis shrewder for them looking at that. 273 00:18:07,920 --> 00:18:11,559 I just don't know if you're gonna go that route, Like I would 274 00:18:11,559 --> 00:18:15,279 prefer more of a game manager than someone who's just gonna give you scoring juice. 275 00:18:15,599 --> 00:18:18,599 And that's what also makes their situation tough. This is a name that's 276 00:18:18,599 --> 00:18:21,680 been thrown out and this team, my guests is they want to duct the 277 00:18:21,759 --> 00:18:23,920 tax based off what they've done. And I'm not saying they would do this, 278 00:18:25,880 --> 00:18:29,680 but Monte Morris does fit into that Surgebaca trade exception. I don't know 279 00:18:29,759 --> 00:18:33,319 if while the Clippers can trade at first round pick in twenty twenty eight, 280 00:18:33,000 --> 00:18:37,000 like, could the Nuggets sell them on like if they protect the hell out 281 00:18:37,000 --> 00:18:41,559 of that pick or something and go after Monte Morris. I the only reason 282 00:18:41,599 --> 00:18:47,200 I'm considering it is because Denver seems like they really want to cost in advance 283 00:18:47,240 --> 00:18:51,359 of having all these mega deals for the foreseeable future on their books and sort 284 00:18:51,400 --> 00:18:55,759 of mitigating their risk against that MPG deal. I wouldn't do it if I 285 00:18:56,200 --> 00:19:00,440 want to make that one percent clear. The Clippers, though, based off 286 00:19:00,480 --> 00:19:03,559 how they acted at a trade deadline when they weren't like a contender because they 287 00:19:03,559 --> 00:19:07,839 weren't healthy enough to be one, they don't seem like a fraid to spend 288 00:19:08,079 --> 00:19:12,480 in that regard, and so that's why the TPS could be really valuable. 289 00:19:12,480 --> 00:19:17,440 And even just like you know, the Knicks are hell bent on sort of 290 00:19:17,759 --> 00:19:22,680 fucking up their future again because it's it's the Knicks and life death. The 291 00:19:22,759 --> 00:19:27,319 Knicks fucking up their future, Like I guess they don't have players the Clippers 292 00:19:27,359 --> 00:19:32,039 would necessarily be interested in in that way. Derek Rose doesn't fit into a 293 00:19:32,039 --> 00:19:34,240 trade exception. Norman's no, well does but doesn't really help. Alex Burst 294 00:19:34,599 --> 00:19:38,880 is just outside of that range. So that might have actually been a bad 295 00:19:38,880 --> 00:19:41,319 example. But there are going to be teams that you have to imagine are 296 00:19:41,359 --> 00:19:48,160 going to be looking to dump certain contracts, and like those trade exceptions are 297 00:19:48,519 --> 00:19:52,200 big enough for the Clippers to actually maybe get someone who would be a part 298 00:19:52,240 --> 00:19:57,200 of their every night rotation. Yeah, I mean Morris would be I mean, 299 00:19:57,319 --> 00:20:00,079 just as good as you could possibly do. I think, I think 300 00:20:00,119 --> 00:20:03,839 for what they need for for the money, for the options they have, 301 00:20:04,519 --> 00:20:07,640 because otherwise he had I had Dalan right listed as someone I was thinking of. 302 00:20:07,680 --> 00:20:11,279 But I agree with you that he's you know, I don't know if 303 00:20:11,319 --> 00:20:15,200 your tax pyramid level is going to get him the other because because then you're 304 00:20:15,200 --> 00:20:19,319 really going like the Gore and Dragic level, like we're gonna bring Rondo back 305 00:20:19,759 --> 00:20:23,119 or just like I just I don't I don't love a lot of the other 306 00:20:23,119 --> 00:20:26,279 options, and like this is a luxury, right because you know, Reggie 307 00:20:26,359 --> 00:20:30,079 Jackson is is fine, like they you know, if you have that full 308 00:20:30,200 --> 00:20:33,480 roster healthy last year and Reggie Jackson is your starting point guard, I think, 309 00:20:33,519 --> 00:20:37,480 like I think there are not a lot of teams that are looking forward 310 00:20:37,480 --> 00:20:40,000 to playing that, you know, that version of the Clippers if they don't 311 00:20:40,079 --> 00:20:44,319 do anything. But but yeah, I think I'm trying to think of other 312 00:20:44,359 --> 00:20:47,519 teams that might be looking to duck the tax. But yeah, I do 313 00:20:47,559 --> 00:20:49,519 feel like Morris is really because look, Denver has We'll get to this in 314 00:20:49,599 --> 00:20:52,519 the Denver section, but you know, I think Denver believes pretty strongly that 315 00:20:52,519 --> 00:20:56,119 Bones Highland is you know, especially with Jokich as your primary ball handler, 316 00:20:56,119 --> 00:21:00,359 if Bones Highland is your point guard, like you're good and Jamal Murray back 317 00:21:00,400 --> 00:21:03,839 and so you have plenty of you know, playmaker shot creators, Morris kind 318 00:21:03,839 --> 00:21:08,960 of becomes expendable. And I think more broadly, I think they're all. 319 00:21:10,039 --> 00:21:12,319 It feels to me. I've heard the opposite said, and I disagree. 320 00:21:12,400 --> 00:21:15,160 It feels to me like there are a lot of teams that need a point 321 00:21:15,160 --> 00:21:18,480 guard this offseason, and there are not a lot of quality options. So 322 00:21:18,519 --> 00:21:22,519 that's why like Malcolm Brogden and D'Angelo Russell are just in every trade rumor and 323 00:21:22,559 --> 00:21:26,160 Tias Jones is probably getting overpaid. So Morris, I think is a real 324 00:21:26,759 --> 00:21:29,960 I mean, I don't know if you're going to get the most for him 325 00:21:30,000 --> 00:21:33,480 sending into La into a trade exception, but Morris is someone I think that 326 00:21:33,559 --> 00:21:37,680 could be hugely valuable for Denver, not just because we'll get him out of 327 00:21:37,720 --> 00:21:41,079 the tax, but just because he could bring a decent return. Yeah. 328 00:21:41,119 --> 00:21:44,880 The other name I thought about for and it would be a tpe thing, 329 00:21:44,920 --> 00:21:48,400 and we know that this team is going to be pinching pennies was Cameron Payne. 330 00:21:48,680 --> 00:21:52,079 I don't know if they would consider him enough of enough grade, but 331 00:21:52,119 --> 00:21:55,680 the previous not this past year, but the previous season he made strides as 332 00:21:55,680 --> 00:21:59,279 a playmaker, like an actual playmaker, So I could envision someone like that 333 00:21:59,319 --> 00:22:02,519 helping him. And like I said, in terms of the bigs, like 334 00:22:03,680 --> 00:22:07,079 you could chew horn like almost anyone into here. Because I think they're going 335 00:22:07,119 --> 00:22:11,640 to play positionless, I would say like twenty to twenty five percent of the 336 00:22:11,680 --> 00:22:15,440 time, if not more, and that if it's you know what does Thomas 337 00:22:15,440 --> 00:22:18,960 Bryant go for? Not really gonna help your defense, but he's coming off 338 00:22:18,000 --> 00:22:22,559 an injury, didn't play much last season after he came back from said injury. 339 00:22:22,839 --> 00:22:25,880 So those might be names, but this team, I think they're gonna 340 00:22:25,920 --> 00:22:29,880 be fireworks is probably the wrong word, but they feel like a team that's 341 00:22:29,880 --> 00:22:34,200 going to be more active than most teams in their situation would be. I 342 00:22:34,240 --> 00:22:38,039 think they are more than more so than any other team. Are the one 343 00:22:38,119 --> 00:22:41,519 that's ready to tell the Warriors and they're like three hundred and fifty to four 344 00:22:41,559 --> 00:22:45,319 hundred million tax, but like, hold my beer, like, I think 345 00:22:45,359 --> 00:22:52,960 the Clippers have the drive and the means to just like you thought the Warriors 346 00:22:52,000 --> 00:22:56,359 are paying a lot. Okay, let's let's let's get this bomber money out 347 00:22:56,400 --> 00:22:57,880 there and see if we can get to like four hundred and fifty million and 348 00:22:59,079 --> 00:23:02,000 cap and tax. Do you think they'll use their mini mL E then, 349 00:23:02,640 --> 00:23:03,680 Oh yeah, I think so. I don't think that. I think they 350 00:23:03,720 --> 00:23:07,119 care less about money than any other franchise, Warriors included. I think they're 351 00:23:07,279 --> 00:23:11,039 because if you think too, like how long is the Paul George Kawhi Leonard 352 00:23:11,039 --> 00:23:15,680 window going to be open? You know, like that it may be shut 353 00:23:15,680 --> 00:23:18,200 already, But I think they're going to spend as much as they possibly can 354 00:23:18,640 --> 00:23:22,640 to see if this year and next year maybe they have something. They're gonna 355 00:23:22,640 --> 00:23:25,920 be no worse than the second most popular title bet next season, because i'll 356 00:23:26,119 --> 00:23:29,680 the Warriors might be first, which fair or maybe some people consider the Bucks, 357 00:23:29,680 --> 00:23:32,519 but I think the Clippers are going to be top two there it would 358 00:23:32,559 --> 00:23:34,680 be. I thought about Thaddy as young for them, but I don't know 359 00:23:34,720 --> 00:23:38,559 if then you're putting too many eggs in the positionless basket. But if you 360 00:23:38,559 --> 00:23:41,960 could get him for the Mini mL and Toronto and want him, I guess 361 00:23:41,039 --> 00:23:45,279 is Toronto's gonna pay him more maybe over a short term, that would be 362 00:23:45,319 --> 00:23:48,200 interesting. But the Clippers are I'm more fascinated by them. I want to 363 00:23:48,200 --> 00:23:52,119 see them use at least the Rondo trade exception. But Monte Morris, when 364 00:23:52,119 --> 00:23:53,880 I came up with names that could fit in there on a different podcast, 365 00:23:53,960 --> 00:23:56,359 he wasn't on there. Then I saw kind of what the Denver Nuggets were 366 00:23:56,359 --> 00:24:00,559 doing, and I was like, oh, yeah, that's where I'm at 367 00:24:00,599 --> 00:24:03,559 with them. A far less interesting team to me, at least the Los 368 00:24:03,559 --> 00:24:08,640 Angeles Lakers. Their vitals are they don't have any vitals, but for real, 369 00:24:08,799 --> 00:24:12,839 they're key free agents. You could boil it down. Malik Monk is 370 00:24:12,839 --> 00:24:18,359 the most important one. He's non bird. Carmelo Anthony is also non bird, 371 00:24:18,480 --> 00:24:22,200 and then Austin Reeves has a one point six million non guarantee that I 372 00:24:22,240 --> 00:24:25,559 am going to guess if they haven't guaranteed it already, which I haven't seen 373 00:24:25,599 --> 00:24:27,559 for reporting, they will. So really just Monk and Anthony. I think 374 00:24:27,559 --> 00:24:33,799 even Anthony's more replaceable, but I felt like his season was not underappreciated, 375 00:24:33,839 --> 00:24:36,240 but it was. He was not part of the issue in LA. He 376 00:24:36,319 --> 00:24:37,920 did exactly what they would have needed him to do. They just had no 377 00:24:37,960 --> 00:24:41,799 idea what the fuck they were doing. Overall, they do have a Mark 378 00:24:41,880 --> 00:24:45,160 Gasol trade exception worth two point seven million, which I'm only noting that because 379 00:24:45,160 --> 00:24:48,240 they're so limited in what they could spend, Like, if there's an opportunity 380 00:24:48,279 --> 00:24:52,200 to go out there and get a player who fits into that, you should, 381 00:24:52,200 --> 00:24:56,119 in theory use it. But the Lakers are poor ass franchise that might 382 00:24:56,160 --> 00:25:00,920 not their best spending tool overall is that many mid level exception And the question 383 00:25:00,960 --> 00:25:03,039 moving over all of this, it doesn't need to be the first one point 384 00:25:03,079 --> 00:25:07,160 is will they trade Russell Westbrook are would you include a first round pick or 385 00:25:07,200 --> 00:25:10,319 two to do so? Is there even a scenario in which you attached to 386 00:25:10,480 --> 00:25:12,480 first him and get someone back? But what are you really looking at? 387 00:25:12,519 --> 00:25:18,279 And they need almost everything. I think they could use supplementary ball handling. 388 00:25:18,319 --> 00:25:22,759 Still, I think their biggest needs are just complimentary defense and shooters, because 389 00:25:22,799 --> 00:25:26,640 that's how you're supposed to build a team around Lebron and I D contrary to 390 00:25:26,680 --> 00:25:32,039 what the Lakers did this last offseason. Yeah, I mean, like my 391 00:25:32,160 --> 00:25:37,680 overarching thought is that and this will never happen because I think, you know, 392 00:25:37,920 --> 00:25:41,559 most of that front office is probably tied to the length of Lebron, 393 00:25:41,640 --> 00:25:44,720 James Tenure and Anthony Davis. But I like, I'm trading both of those 394 00:25:44,759 --> 00:25:48,559 guys because I just I'm blowing the whole thing up. This this is beyond 395 00:25:48,599 --> 00:25:52,960 the scope of a free agent you know, look ahead. But like if 396 00:25:53,000 --> 00:25:59,599 you hit home runs on like with let's say you signed guys, that are 397 00:26:00,559 --> 00:26:03,519 you do as well as say the Warriors did with your minimums? Right? 398 00:26:03,799 --> 00:26:10,039 You know you've You've you find Peyton Porter Belitza. You so you got three 399 00:26:10,160 --> 00:26:14,480 you hit you hit three bombs with with your minimum guys and these are rotation 400 00:26:14,519 --> 00:26:18,240 players. Now, like that's still not you still have one of the worst 401 00:26:18,319 --> 00:26:22,079 rosters after your top two players in the league. So yeah, like, 402 00:26:22,160 --> 00:26:25,920 yeah, I would try to trade Wells. But so if we're not going 403 00:26:25,960 --> 00:26:27,640 to blow it up, so I guess, yes, you've got to throw 404 00:26:27,680 --> 00:26:33,079 your first round pick in there with THHT and none and try to move Westbrook 405 00:26:33,200 --> 00:26:37,119 for whatever. Like I yeah, I guess. But but realistically he's gonna 406 00:26:37,119 --> 00:26:41,759 be on this roster because it just there's no positive value trade from another team's 407 00:26:41,799 --> 00:26:45,440 perspective. I don't think that would take him on. So you just have 408 00:26:45,480 --> 00:26:48,759 to you have to absolutely nail the mini mid level signing, which I think 409 00:26:48,799 --> 00:26:52,079 they'll use it like, you just sort of have to. It's you know, 410 00:26:52,240 --> 00:26:53,559 even though as you said, they're not one of the you know, 411 00:26:53,599 --> 00:26:59,440 big spendy franchises despite being in LA. They're like a family operation. It's 412 00:26:59,440 --> 00:27:03,359 not there's no Microsoft money behind the Lakers. And by the way, that 413 00:27:03,839 --> 00:27:07,079 you need to get away from that where the teams can no longer be like 414 00:27:07,319 --> 00:27:11,799 that's their sole source of income basically because then you have situations where the Lakers 415 00:27:11,839 --> 00:27:18,119 are applying for a government backed small business to get that. Yeah, forget 416 00:27:18,160 --> 00:27:21,119 the mom and pop hardware store around the corner of the Lakers need help, 417 00:27:22,440 --> 00:27:25,599 I don't know, like they need everything, So like where do you even 418 00:27:25,640 --> 00:27:29,200 start? So so what I was looking at for just say the mini mid 419 00:27:29,279 --> 00:27:33,519 level like Bryn Forbes, because you just need someone that's going to make shots 420 00:27:33,920 --> 00:27:36,759 and run around, like I mean, how bleak is that? You know? 421 00:27:37,000 --> 00:27:38,759 If you want to on minimums, I like someone like Joe Ingles where 422 00:27:38,759 --> 00:27:41,240 you might get like a couple months at the end of the season out of 423 00:27:41,319 --> 00:27:45,279 him and then he's able to make shots and distribute a little bit in the 424 00:27:45,279 --> 00:27:48,759 playoffs if if you make it, which is that's the other thing. You 425 00:27:48,799 --> 00:27:52,519 can't just necessarily operate like we got to be ready for April and May, 426 00:27:52,839 --> 00:27:56,160 so we'll take some risks on like Rubio or Ingles or whoever else is is 427 00:27:56,400 --> 00:27:59,440 you know, not going to be a full season player because you just won't 428 00:27:59,440 --> 00:28:03,240 make it in the West. So it's they're just I mean they're over a 429 00:28:03,319 --> 00:28:06,720 barrel, Like what are you gonna go? Damien Lee would like start for 430 00:28:06,799 --> 00:28:08,640 them, you know, can you get him for the minimum? PJ Dozer 431 00:28:08,759 --> 00:28:12,519 is another, like you know, injured guy that maybe you throw him out 432 00:28:12,519 --> 00:28:15,759 there and he can be like a seventh guy. I don't know I would. 433 00:28:15,960 --> 00:28:18,119 I would love to hear if you have better suggestions than I do, 434 00:28:18,160 --> 00:28:21,799 because mine all suck. I approach it like this is, who do I 435 00:28:21,839 --> 00:28:26,160 think the best free agent they could realistically sign was, or level of free 436 00:28:26,160 --> 00:28:30,799 agent they could realistically sign. Malik Monk is actually probably their ceiling non bird, 437 00:28:30,839 --> 00:28:33,200 though I don't think they're going to use their minimid level to keep him, 438 00:28:33,240 --> 00:28:36,640 and so if he's back, I'm calling shenanigans like with Nick Patoum and 439 00:28:36,680 --> 00:28:40,039 the Clippers to where there was that wink wink, oh, we'll pay you 440 00:28:40,079 --> 00:28:44,079 when you have your early bird rights. But aside from Monk, I think 441 00:28:44,119 --> 00:28:49,359 you're looking at a Gary Harris or a Torrian Prince or an Otto Porter Junior 442 00:28:49,480 --> 00:28:52,440 like that. Is this ceiling of guys that I could see if you're throwing 443 00:28:52,440 --> 00:28:57,359 your entire minimli at them, they'll take it. I think more realistically than 444 00:28:57,400 --> 00:29:00,960 that you mentioned Damian Lee was a name that's come to mind. Is like 445 00:29:00,039 --> 00:29:04,759 those guys they have distressed value or undefined value. Can you get minimum and 446 00:29:04,759 --> 00:29:08,680 they're very plugging play at both ends. Can you pay them and just slop 447 00:29:08,720 --> 00:29:11,920 them here? And look some of the names that are being mentioned for the 448 00:29:11,000 --> 00:29:15,759 Lakers, like they're not like realistic because of just what they could spend. 449 00:29:15,400 --> 00:29:18,839 You can look t J. Warren in here if you want it as well. 450 00:29:18,880 --> 00:29:19,759 Just I don't know what his market's going to be like, but if 451 00:29:19,799 --> 00:29:23,559 I'm Indie, I'm willing to keep him if all he's getting is the mani 452 00:29:23,759 --> 00:29:30,240 mL So. Something that's related to this though, is there have been reports 453 00:29:30,279 --> 00:29:33,200 that Kyrie has told the Nets he would sign for the MLLE with the Lakers, 454 00:29:33,440 --> 00:29:37,400 And I guess if I go back and forth, because Kyrie Irving is 455 00:29:37,720 --> 00:29:42,599 just notoriously full of shit, so like I wouldn't He's a disinformation like believer, 456 00:29:42,720 --> 00:29:48,359 so I wouldn't believe what he's saying. That being said, like that 457 00:29:48,480 --> 00:29:52,680 is there, like if that is their saving grace is if they look into 458 00:29:52,720 --> 00:29:55,599 something like that where there's a player that really forces his way there to where 459 00:29:55,640 --> 00:30:00,960 maybe you could even move Russell Westbrook. I'm just given how in the now 460 00:30:02,119 --> 00:30:07,880 NBA team's focus even if you attached twenty twenty seven, twenty twenty nine and 461 00:30:07,920 --> 00:30:12,200 then swaps in twenty six and twenty eight to Russ because there even a team 462 00:30:12,240 --> 00:30:15,000 that will give you a player back for him, because yes, it's an 463 00:30:15,000 --> 00:30:19,799 expiring contract, but it's forty seven and a half million dollars. Yeah, 464 00:30:21,599 --> 00:30:25,400 I know your questions rhetorical, like I because I don't. I mean no, 465 00:30:25,559 --> 00:30:30,599 that that's I think. So the Kyrie thing, just to touch on 466 00:30:30,680 --> 00:30:34,279 that, like that's the simplest explanation is as a pure leverage player, that's 467 00:30:34,279 --> 00:30:37,240 not like a novel like a I would be like, I dare you. 468 00:30:37,680 --> 00:30:41,480 I'm not a big fan of teams calling players bluff, but I think Kyrie 469 00:30:41,519 --> 00:30:45,440 Irving is like the biggest cartoon and ask person in the league. So just 470 00:30:45,440 --> 00:30:48,880 I would be, yeah, go ahead, you take you take the mini 471 00:30:48,880 --> 00:30:51,799 Emily from Los Angeles. Maybe they could get look if they get rid of 472 00:30:51,839 --> 00:30:55,680 THHT none, you open scenarios where you can get him the full non tax 473 00:30:55,759 --> 00:31:00,880 payer But like that's ten plus million. Kyrie's never been even before the whole 474 00:31:00,880 --> 00:31:03,759 COVID stuff eminently available, So like, if you're him, you have to 475 00:31:03,799 --> 00:31:07,759 want to lock down some form of long term money. You also lost your 476 00:31:07,880 --> 00:31:11,839 Nike like signature shoe deal or signature shoe whatever it is, so that had 477 00:31:11,839 --> 00:31:15,279 a quatry money and I think he lost a fifteen plus million in salary last 478 00:31:15,319 --> 00:31:21,799 year. That has to matter even to him. And I think just as 479 00:31:21,880 --> 00:31:26,880 like a macro point, it's so appropriate that like the best way forward for 480 00:31:26,920 --> 00:31:33,079 the Lakers is some star just deciding against most logic that he wants to be 481 00:31:33,160 --> 00:31:37,559 there, because that's like the only way that they've built anything in the post 482 00:31:37,680 --> 00:31:41,400 Kobe era, Right, Like Lebron decided to be a Laker. That's how 483 00:31:41,440 --> 00:31:44,200 you get Anthony Davis, That's how you get a bunch of other guys like 484 00:31:44,279 --> 00:31:48,119 that. That's how they're good or we're good. And so just banking on 485 00:31:48,160 --> 00:31:53,559 another guy doing that is so on brand and perfect and it just it really 486 00:31:53,599 --> 00:32:00,000 what it does is it masks like in most of Lebron's tenure, the front 487 00:32:00,039 --> 00:32:04,960 office has just like just totally stepped in it, like just the decisions have 488 00:32:05,039 --> 00:32:08,079 never made sense. So like of course they're of course their best way forward 489 00:32:08,200 --> 00:32:15,119 is just like essentially someone still believes in Lakers exceptionalism and wants to be there. 490 00:32:15,240 --> 00:32:17,920 Like that's that's the real, that's the reality, like approaching free agency 491 00:32:17,960 --> 00:32:21,599 in a normal fashion and just like you're not gonna get anything. That's just 492 00:32:21,720 --> 00:32:23,599 that's just they don't have the assets. That's just what it is. Yeah, 493 00:32:23,599 --> 00:32:27,599 And It's just like even some of the minimum like guys might be available 494 00:32:27,599 --> 00:32:30,400 for the minimum, like like a Dwayne Deadman is a backup five or I 495 00:32:30,440 --> 00:32:35,319 guess they would play him next to Anthony Davis knowing what how the Lakers like 496 00:32:35,400 --> 00:32:38,480 to like to roll. So it's I feel like it has it has to 497 00:32:38,519 --> 00:32:42,200 be an eventful summer for them. They have more than half their roster spots 498 00:32:42,200 --> 00:32:44,200 to fill at this point. I think they did a nice job with who 499 00:32:44,200 --> 00:32:47,119 they drafted at number thirty five. They now have Scottie Pippen Jr. And 500 00:32:47,640 --> 00:32:52,720 Sharif O'Neill or whatever's name is Shaq Sun. So they're still they're still they're 501 00:32:52,759 --> 00:32:57,640 still recruiting or going after the big names and in that way. But I 502 00:32:57,680 --> 00:33:00,400 don't I don't know what to expect from them this offseason if they're not willing 503 00:33:00,440 --> 00:33:04,319 to include a first round pick in a rush trade. Though my responses Russell 504 00:33:04,319 --> 00:33:07,079 Westbrook will be a Laker next season. Yeah, I think that's the most 505 00:33:07,119 --> 00:33:10,279 likely outcome. I'm with you, it would have happened by now if it 506 00:33:10,319 --> 00:33:14,000 was going to happen. Is Kyrie Warner a little Akers Jersey next season? 507 00:33:14,039 --> 00:33:17,039 Yes? Or no? No justification just yes or no No. That feels 508 00:33:17,039 --> 00:33:20,279 like a good time to move on to the Phoenix Suns, who are just 509 00:33:20,319 --> 00:33:24,200 like there's off seasons all of a sudden become like uncomfortably eventful to where you 510 00:33:24,200 --> 00:33:28,920 didn't want it to be. But their key free agents obviously DeAndre Ayton restricted, 511 00:33:29,160 --> 00:33:31,960 Bismack Bimbo non bird, Javal McGee non bird, and also ish Wayne 512 00:33:32,000 --> 00:33:36,000 Wright, who is just like super intriguing, is like a almost PJ. 513 00:33:36,119 --> 00:33:39,960 Tucker type player. He is a non bird restricted. They also have Cameron 514 00:33:40,039 --> 00:33:44,960 Johnson who's extension eligible. I'll be shocked if he gets one because Roberts arevers 515 00:33:45,000 --> 00:33:46,960 super cheap, and it seems like they want to keep their options open in 516 00:33:47,039 --> 00:33:50,839 terms of trades. Their best spending tool, if they're gonna use it, 517 00:33:50,920 --> 00:33:55,440 is the Mini mL They like sneakily have a ton of holes they need to 518 00:33:55,480 --> 00:34:00,000 fill all of a sudden, because you need another you need a third ball. 519 00:34:00,039 --> 00:34:04,079 Had learned creator one who can run lineups without Chris Paul and nor Devin 520 00:34:04,119 --> 00:34:06,839 Booker, but maybe all someone who's big enough to play with them. And 521 00:34:06,920 --> 00:34:10,800 Cameron Payne did not fill like check that either of those boxes as capably as 522 00:34:10,800 --> 00:34:15,039 he did this season before you figure out what's going on with Eton and if 523 00:34:15,039 --> 00:34:17,480 you are signing and trading him, is paying Javal McGee, who I assume 524 00:34:17,519 --> 00:34:21,800 you can keep because one hundred and twenty percent rays off six million should be 525 00:34:21,800 --> 00:34:24,079 more than enough to keep him for a season. But like, is McGhee 526 00:34:24,119 --> 00:34:30,599 and like Bismack Biambo like without like is that adequate filler if DeAndre Aton is 527 00:34:30,679 --> 00:34:34,480 leaving? And then I also feel like, I know they have Shammitt, 528 00:34:34,519 --> 00:34:36,719 and I know they have guys who can hit threes, but they leave like 529 00:34:36,760 --> 00:34:40,039 a high volume like three point shooter. They could also use some additional rim 530 00:34:40,039 --> 00:34:44,239 pressure. I know it's not supposed to be this huge concern, but I 531 00:34:44,239 --> 00:34:46,280 do think it's kind of come back to bite them now on a few different 532 00:34:46,280 --> 00:34:51,320 occasions. I'm still high on them if Chris Paul and Devin Booker are gonna 533 00:34:51,320 --> 00:34:55,199 be there, but the DeAndre Ayton restricted free agency path looms over all this, 534 00:34:55,280 --> 00:34:58,840 and I think it ultimately is just going to determine the course of their 535 00:34:58,880 --> 00:35:02,320 off season. Yeah, I think that's obviously like item one on the list, 536 00:35:02,360 --> 00:35:07,599 although like in terms of finances, Devin Booker being eligible for the Supermac's 537 00:35:07,599 --> 00:35:10,880 extension now is like that's a good point. It's a big deal too. 538 00:35:13,159 --> 00:35:15,719 But but yeah, you offer that by the way, right, I'm not 539 00:35:15,760 --> 00:35:17,920 ficking around like you offer Devin Booker the supermacs. Yeah, even if you're 540 00:35:17,960 --> 00:35:23,239 the Sons and you you are not habitually you know, jumping jumping at a 541 00:35:23,320 --> 00:35:28,159 chance to spend like you can't I mean, like you just can't mess around. 542 00:35:28,280 --> 00:35:31,360 I don't think I have like no questions about Devin Booker being in the 543 00:35:31,360 --> 00:35:36,559 class of player that's worth that going forward. So for Aiden, I just 544 00:35:36,639 --> 00:35:40,079 since we're doing this and day after the draft, I think like the Pistons 545 00:35:42,079 --> 00:35:45,360 freeing up money but then also drafting a center that they really liked, kind 546 00:35:45,400 --> 00:35:49,480 of. I don't know what that does for for Aiden's options in terms of 547 00:35:49,519 --> 00:35:53,599 the offer sheets he can get. It feels to me like I think I 548 00:35:53,639 --> 00:35:58,199 think so if you had to guess, I think the two most likely options 549 00:35:58,239 --> 00:36:01,519 are assigned in trade, and I think the Miles Turner for Aten works even 550 00:36:01,559 --> 00:36:06,519 with base your compensation issues. I'm fairly sure my math is right on that, 551 00:36:07,840 --> 00:36:12,199 or he's gonna come back at less than at a number he doesn't that's 552 00:36:12,280 --> 00:36:15,840 less than that five one seventy seven that he's been eligible for forever. So 553 00:36:17,199 --> 00:36:22,960 I think if I'm the Sun's my goal is to sign it into a long 554 00:36:22,079 --> 00:36:24,559 term contract, and you can trade him down the road if you want to. 555 00:36:24,639 --> 00:36:29,920 He should theoretically be more valuable, you know, retain his value at 556 00:36:29,960 --> 00:36:32,960 the very least if you've got years of team control over him. If you're 557 00:36:34,000 --> 00:36:37,239 an acquiring team, that's gonna matter. But I don't hate the Miles Turner 558 00:36:37,320 --> 00:36:40,920 sign and trade, especially if Aiden is going to be the version of Aten 559 00:36:40,920 --> 00:36:45,239 you're gonna get. In addition to like the kind of scary he doesn't really 560 00:36:45,760 --> 00:36:49,400 he's playing video games all night. I don't know how much stock you putting 561 00:36:49,440 --> 00:36:52,480 that type of thing. But in addition to that stuff, like if he's 562 00:36:52,519 --> 00:36:55,280 just kind of, you know whatever, the closest thing is to a malcontent 563 00:36:55,400 --> 00:37:00,960 without being like outwardly like mutinous, like that would kind of suck for the 564 00:37:00,960 --> 00:37:04,360 Suns next year. If he's just he's got his he's got some money, 565 00:37:04,360 --> 00:37:07,400 but not enough to his liking, and you're just not getting the best version 566 00:37:07,400 --> 00:37:09,480 of him. That's not ideal if you're trying to win, like immediately. 567 00:37:10,119 --> 00:37:15,519 So I don't know that's the toughest situation. I'm curious, how do you 568 00:37:15,599 --> 00:37:19,039 see the eight and things shaking out? If you had to like rank the 569 00:37:19,800 --> 00:37:23,360 likelihood of outcomes, I think he's most likely to leave now, and I 570 00:37:23,360 --> 00:37:28,559 wouldn't have said that a few weeks ago Detroit getting Joel and durn I think 571 00:37:28,679 --> 00:37:35,119 the draft hurts his market. But if I just say the most likely team 572 00:37:35,119 --> 00:37:37,039 and I think ends up poaching him or there's a sign in trade framework there, 573 00:37:37,280 --> 00:37:40,840 I feel like it's San Antonio, and it's been very clear that he 574 00:37:40,880 --> 00:37:45,800 wants to go there or his camp wants him to go there. They will 575 00:37:45,840 --> 00:37:50,000 have cap space. We've seen Jean Day Murray linked to trade rumors. Now, 576 00:37:50,039 --> 00:37:52,599 I don't think if you're getting Jean Da Murray in an eight and sign 577 00:37:52,599 --> 00:37:53,639 and trade, you were also giving up a lot of other stuff, and 578 00:37:53,880 --> 00:37:57,960 let's make that clear. In addition to that. I would explore that though, 579 00:37:58,920 --> 00:38:01,679 because like Jenimur is not that much older than DeAndre. But if the 580 00:38:01,719 --> 00:38:07,360 Spurs are shifting timeline like I originally thought it would be Josh Richardson Jacob purd 581 00:38:07,440 --> 00:38:08,840 On, the number nine pick would be the ceiling on their offer. They 582 00:38:08,880 --> 00:38:12,920 could also just sign him out right if they wanted to they could get to 583 00:38:13,159 --> 00:38:15,360 that number, but you're worried about the Suns have to match. If no 584 00:38:15,400 --> 00:38:17,719 team is going to engage and sign it, and he just signs an offer 585 00:38:17,760 --> 00:38:21,400 sheet, you match because you can't let him walk. I don't care if 586 00:38:21,400 --> 00:38:24,639 it's if it's if it's a max deal, you match. But I do 587 00:38:24,760 --> 00:38:28,280 expect that DeAndre is going to be signed and traded. If I had to 588 00:38:28,280 --> 00:38:30,119 pick the team, most likely it's the Spurs. The Pacers were a good 589 00:38:30,119 --> 00:38:35,920 one, and I do, though, wonder if Miles Turner, yes, 590 00:38:35,960 --> 00:38:38,280 he's cheaper in the intern, how much of a cheaper number are you getting 591 00:38:38,360 --> 00:38:44,920 him for than eight and moving forward? Because he like from eight like. 592 00:38:45,039 --> 00:38:46,800 It doesn't even seem like the Suns want to pay a center twenty plus million, 593 00:38:46,840 --> 00:38:51,559 at least under their current salary structure. I don't think there's be as 594 00:38:51,559 --> 00:38:54,320 big a drop off defensively as some people believe with Turner to eighton. He's 595 00:38:54,360 --> 00:38:58,679 better on the perimeter than I think people give him credit for, and he 596 00:38:58,760 --> 00:39:02,480 is a better straight up rim protector. Deandretan's probably just like can make more 597 00:39:02,599 --> 00:39:07,119 complicated head on a swivel reads the offensive drop off. I also don't know 598 00:39:07,159 --> 00:39:12,599 how big that would be because Eighten like never truly explored the self creation. 599 00:39:12,599 --> 00:39:15,360 He's going to be a better offensive rebounder and has better touch around the basket, 600 00:39:15,440 --> 00:39:17,760 so I think his skill set is more expansive. And I know Miles 601 00:39:17,840 --> 00:39:22,480 Turner fancies himself like a post up artist and when he's really not. I 602 00:39:22,599 --> 00:39:27,760 just is, if I'm Phoenix, I think I'd rather pay Aiten match and 603 00:39:27,840 --> 00:39:30,760 offer sheet than get just Turner, Like what else is a part of that 604 00:39:30,800 --> 00:39:34,599 deal? And and that's not just like again, the immediate drop off I 605 00:39:34,639 --> 00:39:38,239 don't think would be that stark, if at all. I just really don't 606 00:39:39,239 --> 00:39:42,679 trust them to be like, oh, and then we're gonna keep Miles Turner 607 00:39:42,760 --> 00:39:46,000 as long as Sarver is running that franchise anyway. Are there any other teams 608 00:39:46,000 --> 00:39:51,000 that spring to mind as like a potential eighton destination to you? I mean, 609 00:39:51,039 --> 00:39:52,480 I so, even though I what I just said about the Pistons, 610 00:39:52,679 --> 00:39:58,519 I don't think drafting a rookie center necessarily precludes you from from going after just 611 00:39:58,519 --> 00:40:01,320 just signing it into an offer and seeing what happens, because like clearly you 612 00:40:01,360 --> 00:40:06,400 can you can move during if you need to, Like you know, it's 613 00:40:06,440 --> 00:40:08,000 just there are options there. I don't think I should you should rule them 614 00:40:08,000 --> 00:40:13,039 out. But the other thing is like the base your compensation stuff, if 615 00:40:13,039 --> 00:40:15,480 you're talking sign and trade, is really tricky. There are not a lot 616 00:40:15,480 --> 00:40:19,320 of guys that would make sense in terms of how the money would fit and 617 00:40:19,320 --> 00:40:22,880 would Phoenix actually want them. And I don't know if any of the other 618 00:40:22,880 --> 00:40:24,760 cap Space teams nothing, no, no, So no. Short answer is 619 00:40:24,760 --> 00:40:28,000 there aren't a lot of teams that jump out. And that's why I think 620 00:40:29,679 --> 00:40:31,920 the Turner thing again just to I don't want to keep harping on it, 621 00:40:31,960 --> 00:40:37,119 but like I think, actually it's possible that because of the way Phoenix operates, 622 00:40:37,280 --> 00:40:39,880 the fact that they might lose Turner in free agency after a year is 623 00:40:39,920 --> 00:40:44,199 like more of a feature than a bug, because you can save the face 624 00:40:44,239 --> 00:40:45,960 of like, hey, look we got this guy for eight and for a 625 00:40:46,039 --> 00:40:50,960 year and maybe that's as wide as the window is going to be in Phoenix 626 00:40:51,000 --> 00:40:52,840 with Paul's age, and then it's like, yeah, you know, we 627 00:40:52,840 --> 00:40:55,159 couldn't keep him. It just didn't make sense. And I don't know, 628 00:40:55,239 --> 00:40:59,559 there's there's sort of it seems like a Phoenix thing to do potentially is like 629 00:40:59,599 --> 00:41:01,639 that's actually a plus that you're gonna you get someone that makes you look good 630 00:41:01,679 --> 00:41:06,000 in the moment. Aiden didn't want to be here. Uh, you saved 631 00:41:06,079 --> 00:41:08,000 some face and then you know, you maybe contend again, or maybe you 632 00:41:08,039 --> 00:41:13,639 go all the way. Who knows. Turner adds a lot and then he's 633 00:41:13,679 --> 00:41:15,880 gone, so and then you saved. You've saved the money. You didn't 634 00:41:15,880 --> 00:41:17,039 have to spend a maximum. I don't know. So it's hard to know. 635 00:41:17,079 --> 00:41:21,960 With how Phoenix operates. We did kind of gloss over the other concerns 636 00:41:21,960 --> 00:41:24,280 you mentioned, but but I actually for the for the playmaking, like get 637 00:41:24,360 --> 00:41:29,760 to the basket stuff. I think if you have Booker and Paul, you 638 00:41:29,800 --> 00:41:32,079 can stagger him a little bit and you just hope you get good campaign instead 639 00:41:32,119 --> 00:41:36,960 a bad campaign, and then maybe Shamon makes some shots. I just you 640 00:41:36,960 --> 00:41:40,480 know, I don't know. I think I actually think like Jalen Smith would 641 00:41:40,519 --> 00:41:45,559 kind of make a lot of sense on this team. He's getting my favorite 642 00:41:45,599 --> 00:41:47,880 subplot. Okay, we're gonna talk about Jane Smith real quick, because I 643 00:41:47,880 --> 00:41:51,320 was looking at the numbers and so, like, yeah, granted it was 644 00:41:51,360 --> 00:41:53,599 like twenty some odd games, like five hundred minutes with Indiana last year, 645 00:41:53,679 --> 00:41:58,320 but he was good. He was a good player in Indiana, and it's 646 00:41:58,360 --> 00:42:00,920 just insane. It's he's played so that five minutes is like half of his 647 00:42:01,000 --> 00:42:04,800 total career minutes. So for half of his career, Jalen Smith has been 648 00:42:04,800 --> 00:42:08,519 a good player. So he's gonna come up a lot as we go through. 649 00:42:08,639 --> 00:42:13,280 Who should teams be looking at as free agent centers? Because I just 650 00:42:13,320 --> 00:42:16,599 like I don't understand what happened? What like why why did Phoenix give up 651 00:42:16,599 --> 00:42:22,599 so early? Why? Like I he clearly has some skills. I just 652 00:42:22,719 --> 00:42:24,559 I don't understand. So I just want to mention that Jalen Smith should be 653 00:42:24,559 --> 00:42:30,599 someone they really wish they still had. Uh. I can't bring myself to 654 00:42:30,559 --> 00:42:35,679 look at the Jalen Smith would make a contribution on on this team. Uh, 655 00:42:36,360 --> 00:42:39,440 he did have a good like spinning Indiana. But let's be like semi 656 00:42:39,480 --> 00:42:44,679 realistic here. I'm on Jalen Smith Island. This is official. The flag 657 00:42:44,679 --> 00:42:46,679 has planted. I do agree with you that you don't priority like if you're 658 00:42:46,719 --> 00:42:49,960 trying to get the ball handling up grade with what you could spend, this 659 00:42:50,079 --> 00:42:52,599 has to be a I say ball hand like like just a playmaker like shot 660 00:42:52,639 --> 00:42:55,280 creator upgrade. It has to be via trade. Would be my guest, 661 00:42:55,599 --> 00:43:00,440 are there any free agent targets that actually stand out that make sense to you 662 00:43:00,480 --> 00:43:01,719 for this team? I thought Paddy is young. I don't want to keep 663 00:43:01,719 --> 00:43:06,400 throwing that name around. But if they wanted to downsize, and it seems 664 00:43:06,400 --> 00:43:08,840 at points like they do that with Shards a bunch before the season since he 665 00:43:08,880 --> 00:43:14,360 was obviously injured, could you go that route. I don't think you could 666 00:43:14,400 --> 00:43:16,639 get Chris Bruche for the minimli, although he would be perfect for this team 667 00:43:16,639 --> 00:43:21,960 too. And it's also tough to understand because their needs shift a lot. 668 00:43:22,039 --> 00:43:24,559 If Deandreton's back, You're not Yeah, you're focusing on if you bring back 669 00:43:24,599 --> 00:43:29,440 Javal McGee done. Like your cent rotation is whatever. You could, I 670 00:43:29,440 --> 00:43:31,440 guess have more plugin play wings if you wanted to get involved in some of 671 00:43:31,440 --> 00:43:36,679 those sweepstakes. I just don't. What's weird about this team is that they'll 672 00:43:36,800 --> 00:43:38,239 they'll be so good if they run it back. I don't look at the 673 00:43:38,239 --> 00:43:43,239 free agent targets that are realistic for them and think that's the one that they 674 00:43:43,280 --> 00:43:46,039 need to go after, right like, unless you know, I think PJ. 675 00:43:46,159 --> 00:43:50,119 Tucker is going to be out of the price range. I think auto 676 00:43:50,159 --> 00:43:52,559 Porter is someone they should at least look at. Bouchet was on my list. 677 00:43:52,639 --> 00:43:54,880 I think be Elitza, like if you're not sure what you're going to 678 00:43:54,960 --> 00:44:00,800 get from Darius Sarich after the ACL I think the Elitza coplicates a lot of 679 00:44:00,840 --> 00:44:04,559 that, and I think, you know, although if you're you're so, 680 00:44:04,679 --> 00:44:08,400 I don't think you could justify spending an exception on Belitz So you'll be looking 681 00:44:08,440 --> 00:44:10,599 at the minimum. And if the minimum is the offer, I don't know 682 00:44:10,639 --> 00:44:15,960 why he takes Phoenixes over the Warriors, for example, or just any number 683 00:44:15,000 --> 00:44:17,880 of time, maybe depending on if Adan's there or not. Yeah, yeah, 684 00:44:17,960 --> 00:44:21,119 sure you could have a bigger opportunity, that's for sure, because it 685 00:44:21,119 --> 00:44:22,920 he'll be, like, you know, depending on what Looney does, fourth 686 00:44:23,039 --> 00:44:27,599 on the center depth chart for the Warriors, but I would be I think 687 00:44:27,679 --> 00:44:31,199 be elitz is going to have multiple like Whoopie do multiple offers at the minimum, 688 00:44:31,239 --> 00:44:35,559 but maybe if maybe a few above that, so you know, it's 689 00:44:35,599 --> 00:44:37,559 it's tough, I agree, I think. I mean, but look, 690 00:44:38,000 --> 00:44:42,400 they won more games than anybody last year. Chris Paul probably had COVID in 691 00:44:42,840 --> 00:44:45,400 the playoffs and that was like the biggest problem they had, so this isn't 692 00:44:45,400 --> 00:44:49,920 a team that needs a huge amount of help. I think you just hope 693 00:44:49,960 --> 00:44:53,039 campaign is you know, two years ago campaign, and you figure out the 694 00:44:53,039 --> 00:44:57,840 center stuff. I just to put names on this, the three that I 695 00:44:57,840 --> 00:45:00,679 would like to see him get as sort of jack of all trades. I 696 00:45:00,679 --> 00:45:02,360 could fill different holes depending on what the lineup is. The nier who has 697 00:45:02,400 --> 00:45:06,519 it going either of the Martin twins. I know their games are a little 698 00:45:06,519 --> 00:45:09,519 bit different, but like just guys who are going to be able to hold 699 00:45:09,519 --> 00:45:14,559 their on defense. They shot just well enough on three point on modest three 700 00:45:14,559 --> 00:45:19,920 point volume last year to get going. And I think that the secondary passing 701 00:45:19,960 --> 00:45:23,239 that both of them provide. Maybe you trust Caleb or excuse me, Cody 702 00:45:23,280 --> 00:45:28,000 Martin. They're a little bit more than Caleb. I think Cody might actually 703 00:45:28,039 --> 00:45:30,599 be more gettable too, because the hornets are cheap, and so if you're 704 00:45:30,599 --> 00:45:32,639 giving them mini MLI interest free, ancy do they match and then a mere 705 00:45:32,679 --> 00:45:37,800 coffee. I sort of alluded to him before they gave him more ballhandling responsibility 706 00:45:37,840 --> 00:45:40,639 in LA last year, and I think a lot of people realize and he 707 00:45:40,679 --> 00:45:44,639 was able to work really off the dribble. Do some pick and roll initiation. 708 00:45:45,119 --> 00:45:47,239 Those would be the names I'd probably like to see them just go after. 709 00:45:47,320 --> 00:45:52,000 But everything is just contingent upon what happens with Ayton and if he's leaving, 710 00:45:52,039 --> 00:45:54,480 what are you getting back for? Yeah, just a couple others. 711 00:45:54,519 --> 00:45:57,920 I think, you know, he's not a playmaker, but and well he'll 712 00:45:57,920 --> 00:46:00,480 come up a lot. Daniel House, I think as someone just like you 713 00:46:00,480 --> 00:46:02,880 throw him out there. He's, you know, basically was Utah's best defender 714 00:46:02,880 --> 00:46:07,880 down the stretch of I mean wing defender. And we haven't talked about Victor 715 00:46:07,920 --> 00:46:09,639 Oladipo. I don't know what he's gonna get, but like if you're looking 716 00:46:09,760 --> 00:46:14,920 to take a non taxpay or do you think that's unreasonable for him? I 717 00:46:14,960 --> 00:46:17,559 think that's probably I don't think he's getting the full mid level right, Like, 718 00:46:17,840 --> 00:46:22,199 you just can't do that. So yeah, I mean he's someone that 719 00:46:22,719 --> 00:46:25,079 you're just it's you're it's an upside play. You're hoping that the further removed 720 00:46:25,079 --> 00:46:28,960 he is from the injury. But then that also cuts against like one of 721 00:46:29,000 --> 00:46:32,800 my great tenets of NBA player acquisition is you never take the guy that just 722 00:46:32,880 --> 00:46:37,400 sort of like looked way better in Miami, because in Miami. It doesn't. 723 00:46:37,519 --> 00:46:40,320 It doesn't. There's a rule rule Caleb Martin off your board too as 724 00:46:40,320 --> 00:46:43,400 well, right, I don't know. Yeah, if he stays in Miami, 725 00:46:43,440 --> 00:46:45,599 I'm all in on Caleb Martin. But if he leaves, I think 726 00:46:45,599 --> 00:46:47,199 he just turns back into what he used to be, which was a guy 727 00:46:47,199 --> 00:46:51,159 who had to sign a two way very quickly. Because we're over on the 728 00:46:51,159 --> 00:46:52,880 Suns. Is DeAndre and Phoenix to start next season? Yes or no? 729 00:46:53,400 --> 00:46:58,679 I'm gonna say yes because I think the Suns will just match and then worry 730 00:46:58,679 --> 00:47:01,079 about trading him at some point down the line. You're just you're not as 731 00:47:01,079 --> 00:47:06,840 spicy as Stephen afa Valley, who predicted that he's leaving our final team in 732 00:47:06,880 --> 00:47:12,119 the Pacific. The Sacramento Kings their key free agents. There aren't many Jeremy 733 00:47:12,199 --> 00:47:15,000 Lamb if you consider him a key free agent, and then Dante de Vincenzo, 734 00:47:15,039 --> 00:47:19,559 who is restricted. Trey Lyles has a team option that I would decline 735 00:47:19,559 --> 00:47:22,280 if I were them, But that's just you know, their notable extension where 736 00:47:22,320 --> 00:47:27,679 their most notable extensions candidate domas a bonus. The I think the rays that 737 00:47:27,760 --> 00:47:31,079 they can give him is probably going to be a lot less than he can 738 00:47:31,320 --> 00:47:35,679 thinks that he can get if he hits free agency in two years. I 739 00:47:35,760 --> 00:47:37,159 really kind of think it's given what the Kings gave up for him, you 740 00:47:37,159 --> 00:47:42,199 absolutely offer it. And for him, when you're looking at oh, okay, 741 00:47:42,360 --> 00:47:45,239 the one and twenty percent rays off of like what your salary number is, 742 00:47:45,400 --> 00:47:49,679 that's actually probably fair market value for him when you're looking at twenty five 743 00:47:49,679 --> 00:47:52,559 million a year or whatever that ends up being on average. So I would 744 00:47:52,559 --> 00:47:53,800 take it if I were him. I think the Kings are going to offer 745 00:47:53,840 --> 00:47:55,760 it and he won't take it, though. That's just my gut feeling. 746 00:47:58,119 --> 00:48:00,679 So there's that for him. And then they're best spending tools the non tax 747 00:48:00,760 --> 00:48:06,079 payer mL They could like have negligible cap space, but it won't even be 748 00:48:06,079 --> 00:48:07,480 as much. They'd have to jump through a bunch of hoops if they want 749 00:48:07,480 --> 00:48:14,000 to have more than that ten million dollar spending tool. And there I think 750 00:48:14,000 --> 00:48:15,800 their needs, even after getting Keegan Murray, like, they still just need 751 00:48:15,840 --> 00:48:22,480 wings and defenders, preferably wings who can shoot, because you have Sabonus and 752 00:48:22,519 --> 00:48:24,159 Fox now that you're running the offense through, so you want to dot them 753 00:48:24,199 --> 00:48:30,360 with as many spaces as possible and then the other thing for me is do 754 00:48:30,400 --> 00:48:32,519 you have a good front court partner for Sabonus. I guess you could consider 755 00:48:32,559 --> 00:48:37,880 it Harrison Barnes, but I think you need like additional four power there. 756 00:48:37,280 --> 00:48:43,079 And where's Rashaun Holmes getting traded? And for all this talk about My guess 757 00:48:43,159 --> 00:48:46,400 is I feel like mid season there's gonna be a mid end contract that Toronto 758 00:48:46,519 --> 00:48:49,679 is signed or has on its books, and they're going to be the team 759 00:48:49,679 --> 00:48:52,440 against for Shaun Holmes. It just makes too much sense on the court wise 760 00:48:52,440 --> 00:48:55,000 for Toronto. They don't need to go after this flashy big that cost you 761 00:48:55,039 --> 00:48:59,679 Gary Trend Junior Ero Giananoby. But are there teams that could come in and 762 00:49:00,280 --> 00:49:04,440 uh swoop in and give up value for Sean Holmes. I was shocked he 763 00:49:04,519 --> 00:49:07,800 got paid as little as he did last summer. But he's he's a wasted 764 00:49:07,840 --> 00:49:10,400 asset and I think his his value declines. It declined a minute you acquired 765 00:49:10,400 --> 00:49:15,559 Sabonus because those two can't play together. Well. It declined more with Kegan 766 00:49:15,639 --> 00:49:17,400 Murray because I think in a perfect world, Kegan Murray's gonna play some minutes 767 00:49:17,400 --> 00:49:20,960 at center too. I don't know that's that's a big question, you know, 768 00:49:21,079 --> 00:49:25,239 coming out of the draft is like, you know he The rap on 769 00:49:25,320 --> 00:49:29,440 Murray is that he's a very capable on ball defender and has some switch in 770 00:49:29,519 --> 00:49:32,000 him and all that stuff, but like not quite sure that he's he's actually 771 00:49:32,159 --> 00:49:35,880 a guy you can play at the five against a lot of lineups. But 772 00:49:36,039 --> 00:49:38,559 like, I don't know, the league's only getting smaller generally speaking, I 773 00:49:38,679 --> 00:49:43,320 think there's a real path forward, Like it's possible that that Murray is someone 774 00:49:43,400 --> 00:49:46,840 that spends minutes at the five when Sabonus is not playing. So yeah, 775 00:49:46,920 --> 00:49:52,280 Holmes is a totally like Holmes. I mean, Charlotte, even with Mark 776 00:49:52,320 --> 00:49:55,039 Williams having been drafted to play center, like Charlotte is a like a just 777 00:49:55,199 --> 00:49:59,639 like no brainer destination. There's a million of him because Holmes is a like 778 00:49:59,760 --> 00:50:04,880 a I don't know, a mid tier to like lower third starter. I 779 00:50:05,000 --> 00:50:10,039 think that has a couple like solid skills for like you know, backup money 780 00:50:10,159 --> 00:50:14,400 basically. So yeah, I think I think that's a fact. Like the 781 00:50:14,519 --> 00:50:22,840 thing though, this team's biggest need is remains just quality wings in between the 782 00:50:22,119 --> 00:50:28,760 Fox Davion Mitchell and then Murray Sabonis bookends because and Harrison Barnes. I don't 783 00:50:28,800 --> 00:50:30,719 think Harrison Barnes is a wing anymore. I think Harrison Barnes is a four. 784 00:50:31,719 --> 00:50:35,360 He'll be fine, Like he's a smart defender, you can. They're 785 00:50:35,440 --> 00:50:37,719 just gonna have to use him on the big wing threats. And that's just 786 00:50:37,760 --> 00:50:43,199 how it's gonna be. But that's not optimal positioning. So like they just 787 00:50:43,679 --> 00:50:46,400 I don't know where they go. I think for sure they're gonna target Auto 788 00:50:46,440 --> 00:50:49,960 the first of all, They're gonna target every Warriors for agent. Theory is 789 00:50:49,960 --> 00:50:52,840 because that's how the Kings operate, Like they go for the coaches, they 790 00:50:52,920 --> 00:50:57,119 go for you know, just everybody that comes from the Warriors. So Porter, 791 00:50:57,280 --> 00:50:59,400 I think, is someone to look at. Damien Lee for sure. 792 00:50:59,480 --> 00:51:04,079 I actually love Motto Porter Junior there though I actually very much works everywhere like 793 00:51:04,199 --> 00:51:06,639 it just you know, that's the idea of him. Anyway, Yeah, 794 00:51:06,639 --> 00:51:09,320 this season Dotto Porter for sure. Yes, I Mean that's the thing is 795 00:51:09,360 --> 00:51:12,880 Porter is not going to be as good wherever he goes as he was with 796 00:51:12,960 --> 00:51:15,760 the Warriors, just because they you know, they manage his minutes. They 797 00:51:15,800 --> 00:51:17,480 asked him to do only the things he was good at. It's just it's 798 00:51:17,480 --> 00:51:21,280 a difference between being on a team with a bunch of good players and not. 799 00:51:22,519 --> 00:51:24,280 But yeah, damian ly they're gonna I for sure they can look at 800 00:51:24,360 --> 00:51:29,199 him. He's a little smaller on the wing side, but like I would 801 00:51:29,320 --> 00:51:32,840 rather play him than Mo Harkless. I would probably just as just as likely 802 00:51:32,880 --> 00:51:37,159 want to play him as justin Holiday and like what else. That's it. 803 00:51:37,360 --> 00:51:39,440 That's those are the wings. Those are the wings that they have. Deven 804 00:51:39,480 --> 00:51:43,880 Shenzo's too small, I think to really be like you're you know, you 805 00:51:44,000 --> 00:51:47,920 go, you go guard whatever. I don't know what his market is gonna 806 00:51:47,920 --> 00:51:51,920 be. Do you think he's gonna get more or less than the bigger mL 807 00:51:51,960 --> 00:51:53,079 E type money they don't need to use that. I want to be clear 808 00:51:53,119 --> 00:51:57,119 to sign him, but ten million a year or less, well, I 809 00:51:57,159 --> 00:52:00,199 think it's gonna be less because I don't think anyone's offer him the full mid 810 00:52:00,320 --> 00:52:02,039 level, and the Kings are going to look at that and say like, 811 00:52:02,119 --> 00:52:06,920 how's eight, how's you know nine? You know that, I think it'll 812 00:52:06,920 --> 00:52:09,320 be under that. He could really return a lot of value on that if 813 00:52:09,360 --> 00:52:14,360 he could stay healthy and develops a little bit. But he's just you know, 814 00:52:14,440 --> 00:52:16,320 he's a third guard, and that's just kind of what he is. 815 00:52:17,400 --> 00:52:22,320 Yeah, I don't know. I think I think they just it sucks like 816 00:52:22,480 --> 00:52:27,000 every team needs wings, but the Kings really need wings, and they're just 817 00:52:27,119 --> 00:52:29,960 aren't a lot that they're realistically going to be able to get beyond the ones. 818 00:52:30,079 --> 00:52:31,039 I don't know. Do you have some more that you like the fit 819 00:52:31,159 --> 00:52:35,679 there for? Well, very quickly, I will say if I were them, 820 00:52:35,960 --> 00:52:37,960 I would offer Otto port or the bigger MLI maybe it's like shorter, 821 00:52:38,079 --> 00:52:42,000 maybe it's the two years rather than three or four. I would absolutely do 822 00:52:42,119 --> 00:52:44,280 that though, and see if he bites, because I think he's a perfect 823 00:52:44,320 --> 00:52:47,960 fit there. I thought about Kyle Anderson for them, but because they could 824 00:52:49,000 --> 00:52:51,679 use some secondary playmaking too. When you look at the like you have the 825 00:52:51,719 --> 00:52:53,840 bonus and Fox, like, do you trust Davion Mitchell to be like the 826 00:52:54,519 --> 00:52:58,320 floor general if if Fox is off the court, I guess you could trust 827 00:52:58,360 --> 00:53:02,320 Harrison Bars for some self creation. This is tangentially related to the free agency 828 00:53:02,360 --> 00:53:07,039 targets. I don't understand the obsession with John Collins among Kings Twinter like where 829 00:53:07,079 --> 00:53:09,639 there was a talk about Barnes for Collins. I actually thought that made both 830 00:53:09,679 --> 00:53:14,400 teams. Maybe Atlanta like the fit made more sense, but like Barnes isn't 831 00:53:14,400 --> 00:53:17,880 a great defender, And then for the Kings Collins and Sabonis, Like, 832 00:53:17,960 --> 00:53:22,880 yes, in theory that works, but that would be a turnstyle defensively, 833 00:53:22,960 --> 00:53:24,800 even like Collins is probably Look, I'm gonna be honest, I think Miles 834 00:53:24,880 --> 00:53:28,920 Turner covering up for Sabonis so much. John Collins a better defender than Noma 835 00:53:29,000 --> 00:53:31,559 Sabonis. That's where I'd be at with I like that. You just that 836 00:53:31,639 --> 00:53:35,760 wasn't even a doubt for you. So I'm not not controversial at all on 837 00:53:35,880 --> 00:53:40,400 my end. And but like it's weird because they have more like spending power 838 00:53:40,519 --> 00:53:44,760 than most teams. But I don't know if there are names out there that 839 00:53:44,880 --> 00:53:50,400 might be worth funneling at all into because the wing market is so like Barren 840 00:53:50,920 --> 00:53:54,800 this summer, and I'm wondering if for them even though they don't have you 841 00:53:54,880 --> 00:53:59,440 know, I mean, you have Rashaun Holmes, Like can you get Kelly 842 00:53:59,559 --> 00:54:02,480 Bridge Junior from Charlotte for Rashaun Holmes? Like I know they have Mark Williams, 843 00:54:02,719 --> 00:54:06,599 but is their center position really set? They have Kai Jones as well. 844 00:54:07,480 --> 00:54:09,119 They're looking at cut money though, so maybe that wouldn't be the route 845 00:54:09,199 --> 00:54:13,639 that they go. It feels like if they're going to get a wing or 846 00:54:13,679 --> 00:54:16,360 they would have to be like a big for wing trade involving Rashaun Holmes for 847 00:54:16,400 --> 00:54:20,519 them, because I just aside from Modo Porter, I'm trying to think of 848 00:54:20,559 --> 00:54:23,199 the three four that I would give the Bigger mL E too. I even 849 00:54:23,280 --> 00:54:27,960 thought a little bit about Victor Oladipo for them, but that sort of feels 850 00:54:28,000 --> 00:54:32,719 like too. If you could get him on the Bigger mL E, I 851 00:54:32,840 --> 00:54:36,599 might just consider it for the talent upside play. But it does get a 852 00:54:36,639 --> 00:54:39,719 little dicey with what need did you actually fill? When darn Fox and Sabonis 853 00:54:39,760 --> 00:54:44,360 are there already, I would have loved for them to have gotten involved in 854 00:54:44,400 --> 00:54:46,800 the the Ampy Melton sweepstakes, just because he's essentially a three D wing who 855 00:54:46,840 --> 00:54:51,559 sized like a guard. Maybe you bank on davy On Mitchell showing a lot 856 00:54:51,599 --> 00:54:53,960 of improvement with his jumper, and he did have flashes of that during his 857 00:54:54,079 --> 00:54:58,920 rookie year. It's just weird because if you wanted me to give you like 858 00:54:59,000 --> 00:55:02,320 minimum type wing like I think Utah Wantonaby could work for them. Damian Lee 859 00:55:02,360 --> 00:55:06,480 would be you already mentioned, it would be absolutely fine. If they're gonna 860 00:55:06,480 --> 00:55:09,159 spend money though, like make it be I would go with probably Cody Martin 861 00:55:09,480 --> 00:55:12,920 or a Mere Coffee. Like, if they're going to try and throw some 862 00:55:13,039 --> 00:55:15,960 of their mL E weight around, those are names that stand out. And 863 00:55:15,000 --> 00:55:19,760 if it sounds like we're regurgitating a lot of the same names, it's because 864 00:55:20,280 --> 00:55:24,639 there are so few wings out there right now, right and so like that's 865 00:55:24,679 --> 00:55:28,039 the route I can maybe see them going. Like and if you're going to 866 00:55:28,639 --> 00:55:30,440 just I don't know what how much better it makes you. But Torre and 867 00:55:30,480 --> 00:55:36,079 Prince Yes in theory offensively works with you. There's just I don't know what 868 00:55:36,320 --> 00:55:38,000 wing, and I'm calling out a Porter wing. He's like a big for 869 00:55:38,119 --> 00:55:42,480 for what the Kings need most. There might be like one or two names 870 00:55:42,519 --> 00:55:46,159 out there that are worth piling your full mL E into. Yeah. I 871 00:55:46,599 --> 00:55:50,559 again, And the issue too is it's not just they need wings, like 872 00:55:50,639 --> 00:55:55,039 because if you're gonna play Sabonis Fox, I think Murray can shoot it. 873 00:55:55,400 --> 00:55:59,559 You know, Barnes can shoot it. But I think if you're book ending 874 00:55:59,599 --> 00:56:02,840 a team Sabonis and Fox, Sabonis doesn't shoot threes. Fox has had one 875 00:56:02,920 --> 00:56:07,719 year where he's shot threes well otherwise has been really bad. You got you 876 00:56:07,920 --> 00:56:10,119 you can't. It's it's got to be wing that can shoot. So then 877 00:56:10,280 --> 00:56:15,280 you're even like it's even scarcer out there. So like, and if you're 878 00:56:15,280 --> 00:56:19,960 going to spend the mL E like again to regurgitate names, is Daniel house 879 00:56:20,000 --> 00:56:22,280 worth the full emil E? Like? No way, I don't think so, 880 00:56:22,719 --> 00:56:24,880 but you like, he's one of the very few guys on the market 881 00:56:24,960 --> 00:56:29,199 that could sort of tick all those boxes because I think there's there's a case 882 00:56:29,239 --> 00:56:31,119 to be made that like they might need to be looking at like Rodney Hood 883 00:56:31,280 --> 00:56:35,760 or like you know, in the Hood Nade or Snell like that kind of 884 00:56:36,280 --> 00:56:39,199 lower tier. The problem with when you add those types of guys that are 885 00:56:39,280 --> 00:56:44,559 just real on the margins, contributors to a bad team, it just doesn't 886 00:56:44,639 --> 00:56:49,039 usually like they're just not usually the best version of themselves. So it's it's 887 00:56:49,079 --> 00:56:51,960 it's tough. There are a lot of names, but the trying to match 888 00:56:52,079 --> 00:56:55,800 up like what the guy's actually worth with what the Kings actually need, it's 889 00:56:55,840 --> 00:57:00,679 difficult to find sort of the sweet spot there, and they almost need like 890 00:57:00,800 --> 00:57:02,880 a true wing because you have Keiga Murray and Barnes, So you don't want 891 00:57:02,920 --> 00:57:07,719 to skew too much towards the four. Yeah, you can't. I know 892 00:57:07,800 --> 00:57:12,719 he's order with Murray and Barnes. That's just like there's not enough foot speed 893 00:57:12,920 --> 00:57:15,400 there. I don't think Gary Gary Harris is a good name for sure. 894 00:57:15,440 --> 00:57:17,440 I think we'll get to this in the Northwest. But if Gary Harris is 895 00:57:17,519 --> 00:57:22,920 on any team other than Nuggets, I'll be surprised. I thought, well, 896 00:57:22,039 --> 00:57:23,679 yeah, we'll get on that, the different one. But yeah, 897 00:57:23,679 --> 00:57:27,880 the King's off seasons interesting. I think for them, they're probably a little 898 00:57:27,880 --> 00:57:30,159 bit more fascinating on the trade market than free agency because they're not gonna be 899 00:57:30,320 --> 00:57:32,559 I don't think they're gonna be a team where you're surprised that, oh they 900 00:57:32,639 --> 00:57:36,880 bagged that name for like the bigger m, Like, yeah, it be 901 00:57:36,960 --> 00:57:40,079 great if Nick Batoum decided he wanted to go there, it would be really 902 00:57:40,079 --> 00:57:43,719 It would be really funny if they wound up spending more than the minimum on 903 00:57:43,800 --> 00:57:46,119 another big because they're planning on trading homes and so, like, do they 904 00:57:46,159 --> 00:57:50,639 get into Hart and Stein sweepstakes thinking oh we could hard side shot. He 905 00:57:50,760 --> 00:57:52,519 shoots voters and he shot some threes last year that he could totally play with 906 00:57:52,599 --> 00:57:59,199 some bonus. I didn't. I was didn't understand the transfixiation with John Collins, 907 00:57:59,280 --> 00:58:01,800 to be honest with you, and if you're like, yeah, so 908 00:58:02,360 --> 00:58:06,559 Kings, I didn't hate they're moving the draft, by the way, as 909 00:58:06,599 --> 00:58:07,400 much as other people. I still made fun of them for it because I 910 00:58:07,400 --> 00:58:10,119 don't think they deserve the benefit of the doubt. But Keacky Murray seems like 911 00:58:10,159 --> 00:58:15,639 he's going to be a perfect fit there. So oh. I did, 912 00:58:15,719 --> 00:58:17,599 by the way, consider Chris Bouche for this team though, because one, 913 00:58:17,639 --> 00:58:22,639 I love Chris Bouche, and I'm also in the mind like you need like 914 00:58:22,719 --> 00:58:25,119 a real if let's just say ras Shaun Homes in the high volume shop aalker, 915 00:58:25,119 --> 00:58:29,079 but he's a pretty okay rim protector. If the intention is to move 916 00:58:29,159 --> 00:58:31,039 him or you know, you can't play him with the bonus, you need 917 00:58:31,199 --> 00:58:36,760 like a shot blocking presence who can play alongside the bonus. And Bouche chucks 918 00:58:36,840 --> 00:58:40,679 enough threes that I think it would work. Final final King's prediction or I 919 00:58:40,719 --> 00:58:45,400 guess the question. The over under on Warriors free agents that the Kings have 920 00:58:45,559 --> 00:58:51,119 on the roster next year is one point five. I'm gonna take I'm gonna 921 00:58:51,159 --> 00:58:53,199 take the under Okay, I'm gonna go over, just so we can have 922 00:58:53,360 --> 00:58:57,159 something to look back on. Grant, this was great. Thank you so 923 00:58:57,280 --> 00:59:00,559 much. You're able to tell our listeners before they just hear your voice again 924 00:59:00,719 --> 00:59:04,639 on the next podcast where they can find you and all the great work that 925 00:59:04,760 --> 00:59:08,440 you put out Slash, maybe some of those infrequent tweets that you throw the 926 00:59:08,480 --> 00:59:10,760 masks. I bet if I want to your Twitter profile right now, you 927 00:59:10,840 --> 00:59:13,960 just want, you should follow Grant. He's not going to spam your feed. 928 00:59:14,320 --> 00:59:17,199 I've everyone to your Twitter Twitter profile right now. Your last tweet would 929 00:59:17,199 --> 00:59:21,920 be probably Hardwood Knox related. Oh for sure. Yeah, listen, I 930 00:59:22,000 --> 00:59:25,719 support the brand. I and yeah, you can find me on the next 931 00:59:25,880 --> 00:59:32,280 entry on your whatever podcast feed you use on Hardwood Knox probably and GT Underscore 932 00:59:32,360 --> 00:59:36,639 hues on Twitter if you want. You know, for some reason you can't 933 00:59:36,639 --> 00:59:39,320 figure out where to find Hardwood Knox, just check my Twitter feed because it's 934 00:59:39,320 --> 00:59:45,519 like nine retweeting Dan and Hardwoknox accounts. So you know, I stay loyal. 935 00:59:46,320 --> 00:59:49,840 We will catch you in the next episode. Everybody, please remember a 936 00:59:49,920 --> 00:59:53,480 rate review and subscribe and follow all our social handles YouTube, join our discord, 937 00:59:53,559 --> 00:59:57,360 All the wits are in the podcast to switching and until that next time, 938 00:59:57,400 --> 01:00:01,039 we do the shout out to the one, the only, the conference finalist Brachiopta