1 00:00:01,879 --> 00:00:05,960 We're Tom Lorenzo and this is the Pop Style Opinion Fast. Hello, KITT's, 2 00:00:06,000 --> 00:00:08,759 welcome back to another edition of the PSO. I am the Tea and 3 00:00:08,800 --> 00:00:11,640 your telow Tom Fitzgerald, and I'm here with the low and your Telo. 4 00:00:11,720 --> 00:00:16,079 Lorenzo Marquis my lovely husband. How are your lovely husband? Very excited? 5 00:00:16,359 --> 00:00:22,600 We are heading out the fire Yeah, in literally hours. We're up early 6 00:00:22,839 --> 00:00:26,039 recording this on Thursday morning. I don't even know when it's coming up on 7 00:00:26,079 --> 00:00:30,760 our site. It's all wide open today. Island is my heaven unnerved. 8 00:00:30,920 --> 00:00:34,320 Yes, you're a happy place and um my happy place. I just want 9 00:00:34,359 --> 00:00:38,640 to take a moment to thank everyone for their kind oh God response us the 10 00:00:38,719 --> 00:00:43,679 last week's podcast, and not to return to that topic, but Fire Island 11 00:00:43,799 --> 00:00:47,320 is coming in exactly the right time for Lorenzo, who absolutely needs right. 12 00:00:47,439 --> 00:00:49,600 We thought about it. I was like, should we get I was like, 13 00:00:49,719 --> 00:00:52,479 oh, hell yeah, we're going. We're going. Um, I 14 00:00:52,520 --> 00:00:55,920 need it. I mean it's a beautiful place. We stay with friends, 15 00:00:56,399 --> 00:01:02,039 wonderful friends, and it's just heaven. I absolutely lovely heaven on heaven earned 16 00:01:02,159 --> 00:01:06,000 Earth. But anyway, thank you so much. Uh you know, all 17 00:01:06,040 --> 00:01:11,120 the message emails and Instagram, you know, message everywhere. So thank you 18 00:01:11,159 --> 00:01:14,599 so much. It was very hard. I felt very loved. Thank you, 19 00:01:14,400 --> 00:01:18,200 you are very loved. Everybody loves the runs that they hate. Oh 20 00:01:18,239 --> 00:01:22,840 my god, that's not true anyway. Um, I'm joking. Okay, 21 00:01:23,000 --> 00:01:26,000 So it's not a long, super long podcast this week. Like we said, 22 00:01:26,079 --> 00:01:29,480 we're I'm not gonna lie. We're rushing out the door. So is 23 00:01:29,480 --> 00:01:30,799 this one is done? But we're not going to give you a rushed pod. 24 00:01:32,000 --> 00:01:34,640 Yes, we're going to give you, especially since the first topic of 25 00:01:34,680 --> 00:01:38,719 the day is not something I want to treat to frivolously. But we are 26 00:01:38,799 --> 00:01:42,200 going to um talk a little bit about the legacy of shint O'Connor, which, 27 00:01:44,519 --> 00:01:47,040 honestly, if you're gen X, I don't even think I have to 28 00:01:47,079 --> 00:01:49,280 explain it to you, but if you were there, you know. But 29 00:01:51,239 --> 00:01:57,319 she deserves she she died yesterday or her death was reported yesterday, and attention 30 00:01:57,400 --> 00:02:00,319 must be paid, respect must be paid. So we're gonna spend a little 31 00:02:00,319 --> 00:02:05,120 time talking about her. And then up here's tab Hunter, all twenty pounds 32 00:02:05,120 --> 00:02:08,719 of them landing on the table. That's why we actually have something to Christian, 33 00:02:08,879 --> 00:02:12,520 Like, we put a quilt down on the table because of that, 34 00:02:12,639 --> 00:02:15,319 because they jump on the table and make a lot of noise, right, 35 00:02:15,960 --> 00:02:20,879 And our recording setup is a lot nicer than Miranda's hook up this week, 36 00:02:21,560 --> 00:02:23,240 shitty hook up that she had. We'll get into that, Oh my god. 37 00:02:24,080 --> 00:02:28,879 But yes, we're also talking about and just like that. Well we'll 38 00:02:28,919 --> 00:02:31,639 move that to the back half because you may not have seen the episode just 39 00:02:31,879 --> 00:02:37,199 as of yet, but sort of good news. The show was really back 40 00:02:37,240 --> 00:02:43,240 in its group. But we'll get to that. Yeah, So Chinade O'Connor, 41 00:02:43,759 --> 00:02:46,560 Lorenzo said something to me yesterday when we were talking about this podcast. 42 00:02:46,680 --> 00:02:50,080 He was like, well, you can talk about it because you're Irish, 43 00:02:50,080 --> 00:02:52,400 and I said, nope, nope, that's not it. And I've said 44 00:02:52,439 --> 00:02:57,879 this before. I'm not Irish, I'm American. And to talk about Shade 45 00:02:57,879 --> 00:03:02,240 O'Connor is, to believe, expressed some understanding of the culture in which she 46 00:03:02,319 --> 00:03:06,800 came from and which she grew up, in which she lived and in which 47 00:03:06,800 --> 00:03:12,719 she lived, and that is Ireland, which is not my country. I've 48 00:03:12,759 --> 00:03:15,639 said this before. I think Irish Americans in particular, but a lot of 49 00:03:15,680 --> 00:03:20,759 Americans over identify with their countries of origin in a lot of ways. That's 50 00:03:20,960 --> 00:03:23,840 you know, it's not my place to say how people should refer to themselves. 51 00:03:23,879 --> 00:03:28,840 If you refer to yourselves as Irish or Irish American, that's entirely your 52 00:03:28,879 --> 00:03:30,719 prerogative, I think, and I wouldn't tell you otherwise. I think it's 53 00:03:30,800 --> 00:03:36,639 valid. But it sounds silly sometimes to people from other countries. Yeah, 54 00:03:36,639 --> 00:03:38,039 if you talk to someone from it, and that's just it. I grew 55 00:03:38,120 --> 00:03:44,240 up and all my life my family has known and befriended and made part of 56 00:03:44,240 --> 00:03:47,479 our extended family people from Ireland, and no one has ever corrected us. 57 00:03:47,479 --> 00:03:52,360 In fact, many people from Ireland told my parents that our family was more 58 00:03:52,400 --> 00:03:59,039 Irish than the Irish. But I did learn meeting Irish people, and over 59 00:03:59,080 --> 00:04:00,439 the years that I'm like, you know what, as much as I might 60 00:04:00,520 --> 00:04:04,000 identify, I know all the songs, I learned the step dances, and 61 00:04:04,159 --> 00:04:06,800 I know the real phrases and everything like that, I didn't grow up in 62 00:04:06,840 --> 00:04:10,400 that culture. And when you meet someone from that culture, you're like, 63 00:04:10,400 --> 00:04:13,360 you're you know what, I'm not Irish, I'm American, right. I 64 00:04:13,400 --> 00:04:15,800 think it's typical of immigrants in general. They moved to another country and they 65 00:04:16,120 --> 00:04:19,040 stuck with that history that yeah, yeah, yeah, that's part of who 66 00:04:19,120 --> 00:04:24,480 they are and they worship that. And but the country moves on, you 67 00:04:24,519 --> 00:04:29,839 know, people moveing. Um. I don't think it's wrong that Americans refer 68 00:04:29,920 --> 00:04:31,839 to themselves that way. And I think a lot of the reasons why Americans 69 00:04:31,839 --> 00:04:36,319 refer to themselves that way is because they're immigrant. Forebears did not necessarily come 70 00:04:36,360 --> 00:04:39,879 here voluntarily. They come here. They came here because they had to. 71 00:04:40,160 --> 00:04:44,720 Most in general, so they yeah, they don't have a romanticized idea of 72 00:04:44,800 --> 00:04:46,759 the old world. I'm sorry, go ahead, No, I was just 73 00:04:46,759 --> 00:04:48,439 going to say most most immigrants in general, they don't want to leave their 74 00:04:48,519 --> 00:04:50,839 land, their country, their family. I mean, they do it because 75 00:04:50,879 --> 00:04:55,959 they Irish. Irish tend to be very much about going back home, and 76 00:04:56,079 --> 00:04:59,800 all the songs are about going back home, and so it's very much in 77 00:05:00,120 --> 00:05:03,079 culture and I do understand it. And when Queen Elizabeth died on this podcast, 78 00:05:03,120 --> 00:05:06,839 I talked a lot about the Irish diaspora all over the world and but 79 00:05:08,000 --> 00:05:14,759 specifically in America and how how it is a legitimate identity like to be an 80 00:05:14,759 --> 00:05:17,040 Irish person out in the world as a member of the diaspora. There's a 81 00:05:17,600 --> 00:05:23,120 there's a an understanding, there's a commonality a lot of times, and this 82 00:05:23,199 --> 00:05:28,120 is truable ethnics. I'm really special. But um, you know, if 83 00:05:28,160 --> 00:05:32,959 you're an American of Irish descent, there's a really really good chance that whoever 84 00:05:33,000 --> 00:05:38,079 came to this country from Ireland and your family left because they were persecuted or 85 00:05:38,079 --> 00:05:42,920 because they were starving. And when you're a refugee like that, it infects 86 00:05:43,040 --> 00:05:45,959 your idea of the country you came from, and then you pass it on 87 00:05:46,000 --> 00:05:49,319 to your children, and then it becomes these Irish American traditions, so to 88 00:05:49,399 --> 00:05:56,720 speak. So I don't identify with Shanade at all on that level. Her 89 00:05:57,040 --> 00:06:00,439 her life, the things she fought against, the things she spoke out against 90 00:06:00,480 --> 00:06:05,639 were specifically Irish in nature. She lived, she lived them. And we're 91 00:06:05,639 --> 00:06:11,199 talking about things like the sexual abuse in the Catholic Church that was foisted upon 92 00:06:11,240 --> 00:06:15,920 girls in Ireland and you know all over the world that all of it. 93 00:06:15,680 --> 00:06:19,519 Um. But before we you know, really unpack all of that, I 94 00:06:19,600 --> 00:06:24,199 just want to say, I gasped when I got the news yesterday. We 95 00:06:24,240 --> 00:06:30,319 are much you know, we're the same age. And um, I don't 96 00:06:30,399 --> 00:06:35,639 know if you weren't there when nothing compares to you land like a fricking bomb 97 00:06:36,160 --> 00:06:42,519 in what was that nineteen eighty eight? I mean, just try and picture 98 00:06:42,560 --> 00:06:46,839 what you remember or what you think you know about nineteen eighties music and nineteen 99 00:06:46,879 --> 00:06:50,519 eighties female pop stars. And then here comes this girl with a shaved head 100 00:06:50,560 --> 00:06:54,600 and barely any makeup on. And this is in the middle of the Aquanette 101 00:06:54,639 --> 00:06:57,879 era, right, mostly a close up of her face. It is entirely, 102 00:06:57,879 --> 00:07:00,839 almost entirely a close up of her face, emoting in a way that 103 00:07:02,040 --> 00:07:08,839 was rare for music videos and allowing her performance on her voice to be the 104 00:07:09,120 --> 00:07:15,480 entire yes videos, and it was hypnotic, and it still is hypnotic. 105 00:07:15,720 --> 00:07:17,839 Yes, I'm a musician, and I remember, you know, I've been 106 00:07:17,839 --> 00:07:23,720 influenced by a ton of people, including her, And I remember watching the 107 00:07:23,839 --> 00:07:27,240 video and listening to her voice. I mean, like from the first note, 108 00:07:27,360 --> 00:07:30,879 from the first word, Uh, it's just beautiful, right, I 109 00:07:30,920 --> 00:07:34,199 mean, it's it's pure, pure, and it's an interpretation that you don't 110 00:07:34,240 --> 00:07:41,839 see often in music now. It's just absolutely wonderful. Yeah. I listened 111 00:07:41,879 --> 00:07:44,839 to it again yesterday and I started crying because I was like, this is 112 00:07:44,879 --> 00:07:47,879 so beautiful. It's such a beautiful song. Beautiful And as she said, 113 00:07:48,279 --> 00:07:54,680 because I also watched a documentary called Nothing Compares on Showtime, Very good, 114 00:07:55,079 --> 00:07:58,199 very good one by the way, and she talked, she says that you 115 00:07:58,199 --> 00:08:01,600 know, if you don't feel the song, if you don't understand this song, 116 00:08:01,639 --> 00:08:03,959 and then you can't sing it will right And she did she did. 117 00:08:05,240 --> 00:08:11,279 Um, I was listening to when we were dating. You gave me a 118 00:08:11,319 --> 00:08:18,279 couple I hadn't even of her ninety seven album Gospel Oak Don't Remember, which 119 00:08:18,319 --> 00:08:22,160 I played to death, and I can. There's only I think five or 120 00:08:22,199 --> 00:08:24,959 six songs on the whole album. I can sing the whole album from beginning 121 00:08:24,000 --> 00:08:31,440 to end. I won't, but that album, every song on that album 122 00:08:31,799 --> 00:08:37,559 is UM. That's the thing about Shanade's voice. She had that rare quality 123 00:08:37,600 --> 00:08:43,559 and a pop singer to um attach such deep emotions to her interpretations of the 124 00:08:43,639 --> 00:08:48,360 song that the song works its way into your DNA and your memory and it 125 00:08:48,399 --> 00:08:52,720 feels less like a song and more like something that happened to you. Yeah, 126 00:08:52,759 --> 00:08:54,720 And that was her power as an artist, and the way she changes 127 00:08:54,720 --> 00:09:01,200 from very soft to very intense and right and you know, even when she's 128 00:09:01,279 --> 00:09:05,000 loud, she's not screaming like screaming. Well she'll she'll do a well, 129 00:09:05,159 --> 00:09:09,120 she'll do right, um, and she's good at that. But it doesn't 130 00:09:09,120 --> 00:09:13,240 sound like a scream more like well, no it's not, but it's it's 131 00:09:13,279 --> 00:09:16,639 absolutely more. And her voice is fortius. Her voice was gorgious, absolutely 132 00:09:16,639 --> 00:09:20,320 beautiful, everything about it. And it's interesting because I didn't know much about 133 00:09:20,360 --> 00:09:24,840 her life, her upbringing and all that, her mother and everything, and 134 00:09:24,879 --> 00:09:26,759 I have to watching the documentary. Do you want to unpack some of that 135 00:09:26,799 --> 00:09:31,360 since you did watch the document documentaries very much. The documentary is about her 136 00:09:31,399 --> 00:09:37,799 life growing up with her parents, and her parents got divorced when she was 137 00:09:37,879 --> 00:09:39,480 very young and grew up outside Dublin. Correct, Yeah, and then she 138 00:09:39,559 --> 00:09:43,919 was very difficult. Uh no, no shock there. She was a very 139 00:09:43,960 --> 00:09:48,559 difficult girl and her mother sent her to live with the nuns. Um that's 140 00:09:48,600 --> 00:09:52,960 why she knew all about the abuse, the abuse and about the you know, 141 00:09:54,039 --> 00:09:58,279 the abortion and the women getting pregnant and suddenly disappearing and all that. 142 00:09:58,720 --> 00:10:01,840 She knew about all that, all that very young and she was very young. 143 00:10:01,879 --> 00:10:03,320 I mean she was very young all the time, Like even when she 144 00:10:03,360 --> 00:10:07,679 started her career. Yeah, she was twenty two. Yeah, So she 145 00:10:07,799 --> 00:10:11,639 talked about that her relationship with her mother, her mother had some mental issues 146 00:10:11,679 --> 00:10:15,279 and makes sense now when you know, right after all happened, Um, 147 00:10:15,720 --> 00:10:18,440 and very difficult. Her mother was very difficult. They had a very bad 148 00:10:18,480 --> 00:10:26,120 relationship. And anyway, so and then she moved to London and started singing 149 00:10:26,120 --> 00:10:30,399 with the band and then was discovered and you know, recorded her first album. 150 00:10:30,440 --> 00:10:33,039 But like she was very young, she was like in her twenty twenty 151 00:10:33,080 --> 00:10:37,320 one, twenty two when nothing compared to you came out. Um, when 152 00:10:37,480 --> 00:10:43,000 I was reading a retrospective of her life and career this morning, and um, 153 00:10:43,080 --> 00:10:45,600 what really jumped out of me, I was like, ah, gen 154 00:10:45,840 --> 00:10:50,120 x, this is what we were like was the just unending litany of things 155 00:10:50,159 --> 00:10:54,279 that she protested that she refused to do as a pop star. And she 156 00:10:54,320 --> 00:10:58,080 wouldn't you know, she wouldn't play the venue that played the star spangled banner, 157 00:10:58,279 --> 00:11:03,440 and you know, there were all sorts of things and you could possibly 158 00:11:05,519 --> 00:11:11,000 take Nade's long history, you know, stated history. She talked about this 159 00:11:11,039 --> 00:11:15,440 extensively in her life, her long history with mental health struggles, and you 160 00:11:15,480 --> 00:11:18,000 could try and apply it to the sort of erratic nature of her career, 161 00:11:18,039 --> 00:11:22,840 but I think that would be something of a mistake. I'm sure, I'm 162 00:11:22,919 --> 00:11:26,840 sure her struggles informed a lot of what she did and went through in her 163 00:11:26,840 --> 00:11:31,360 career, but it's just really interesting to read about a pop star who constantly 164 00:11:31,360 --> 00:11:37,559 went around protesting all of the trappings of being a pop star, and that 165 00:11:37,159 --> 00:11:41,799 is not something you see in modern pop. You're not going to see Miley 166 00:11:41,840 --> 00:11:46,480 Cyrus do the kind of things that shand O'Connor did, because I don't. 167 00:11:46,639 --> 00:11:52,080 I really hate I'll state this right now. I really can't stand these sort 168 00:11:52,120 --> 00:11:56,039 of generational harangues. And you know, jen X is starting is of an 169 00:11:56,039 --> 00:12:00,879 age now where we're starting to become extremely annoying about out this sort of thing 170 00:12:00,919 --> 00:12:03,039 where we're like, oh, you know, you should have been an eighties 171 00:12:03,080 --> 00:12:05,559 kid, where we drank water out of the hose and our mothers let us 172 00:12:05,600 --> 00:12:07,840 run around and blah blah blah, you know what. But all you're doing 173 00:12:07,919 --> 00:12:11,879 is another variation of I walk backwards up a hill in the snow to go 174 00:12:11,919 --> 00:12:13,120 to school, and you kids don't know how hard you had it, so 175 00:12:13,200 --> 00:12:18,279 I don't want to. I always try and avoid that. We're we're gen 176 00:12:18,519 --> 00:12:22,879 X cultural writers who are constantly writing about people who are sometimes significantly younger than 177 00:12:24,000 --> 00:12:28,600 us and fandoms that are significantly younger than us. So it has been a 178 00:12:28,679 --> 00:12:33,200 part of our work to make sure that that that very typical Gen X attitude 179 00:12:33,240 --> 00:12:35,039 does not show up in our work right. But it's also part of my 180 00:12:35,080 --> 00:12:37,879 life trying to understand things. That's the way they are, you know, 181 00:12:37,960 --> 00:12:41,559 no matter what generation you from. I mean, that's how I feel about 182 00:12:41,559 --> 00:12:45,519 it. I can't impose my every first time on everybody else. That's that's 183 00:12:45,519 --> 00:12:46,799 how I feel about it. Anyway, back to her, well, I 184 00:12:46,799 --> 00:12:50,320 just wanted to go ahead. I'm sorry. I was just making a point 185 00:12:50,360 --> 00:12:56,879 about her, her endless protests and how and the way she managed her career 186 00:12:56,919 --> 00:13:01,159 and what she absolutely would not do, and in fact, to give you 187 00:13:01,159 --> 00:13:05,279 some idea of how Shand felt. She felt like her career had gone off 188 00:13:05,320 --> 00:13:07,639 track when she had a number one hit, and she felt like she had 189 00:13:07,639 --> 00:13:11,039 brought it back on track when she ripped up that picture of the Pope her 190 00:13:13,399 --> 00:13:18,639 she walked the walk, and she was an international pop star who almost literally 191 00:13:18,639 --> 00:13:22,480 walked away from it because she thought that life was such bullshit and that is 192 00:13:22,519 --> 00:13:28,120 such a gen x thing to do. You just don't see pop stars in 193 00:13:28,159 --> 00:13:33,279 the current day act that way. It's not the whole concept of selling out 194 00:13:33,480 --> 00:13:35,639 was a gen x thing, and it's not a thing, you know, 195 00:13:35,799 --> 00:13:39,159 for millennials or ten. There's nothing wrong with that. It's just a difference. 196 00:13:39,200 --> 00:13:43,879 But there are many things about it. And she says in the documentary 197 00:13:43,919 --> 00:13:48,000 that they tried to kill me. You know, they canceled her pretty much 198 00:13:48,240 --> 00:13:52,080 at a time when and she says that at a time when we didn't have 199 00:13:52,159 --> 00:13:58,559 social media. So if if the magazines or the TV shows didn't want to 200 00:13:58,600 --> 00:14:01,759 show you, then you were then you're gone. And she was, and 201 00:14:01,879 --> 00:14:05,799 she was canceled for stupid reasons. And you can't argue you. Yeah, 202 00:14:05,840 --> 00:14:09,240 you know, the anthem and American anthem and all that. You know, 203 00:14:09,279 --> 00:14:13,039 you've been disrespectful. You know. I can understand that from an American point 204 00:14:13,039 --> 00:14:16,799 of view, I can understand. And this was the jingoistic A yeah, 205 00:14:16,919 --> 00:14:20,720 yes, with the war and all that, I understand, I understand. 206 00:14:20,720 --> 00:14:24,679 But I also understand her point of view because she was also always against oppression 207 00:14:24,759 --> 00:14:28,639 any kind of She really was, she really was offended her. Yeah, 208 00:14:28,720 --> 00:14:33,080 I mean I didn't know that when she performed for the first time. I 209 00:14:33,080 --> 00:14:37,200 think it was dm Is that she had that sort of It wasn't that tattoo, 210 00:14:37,279 --> 00:14:41,600 but it was like something she painted on her head. It was one 211 00:14:41,639 --> 00:14:45,799 of the bands that because at the time I also didn't know that rap was 212 00:14:45,840 --> 00:14:50,039 not considered for anything. Yeah, and she did that. One of the 213 00:14:50,039 --> 00:14:54,480 bands didn't go or he decided not to go because they were not being represented 214 00:14:54,519 --> 00:15:01,320 as music. So she decided to play uh Mandinka and and and she had 215 00:15:01,360 --> 00:15:05,600 that on her head, the logo of the band or something right that of 216 00:15:05,639 --> 00:15:09,120 the group. So right from the gat goal she was always very political. 217 00:15:09,240 --> 00:15:11,600 She was always very political about and everything. And she had that thing that 218 00:15:11,639 --> 00:15:16,720 a lot of Irish artists have where she without being appropriative, although it's not 219 00:15:16,799 --> 00:15:20,039 my place to say other people might feel differently, but she had that thing 220 00:15:20,080 --> 00:15:26,759 than a lot of Irish artists have where she found great identification with black people 221 00:15:26,840 --> 00:15:31,559 worldwide. 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Um, I just want to say 256 00:17:53,599 --> 00:17:56,319 one more thing that explains a lot about her and the whole Pope thing. 257 00:17:56,440 --> 00:18:00,200 I didn't know how religious she was when she would Irish Hunt. Yeah, 258 00:18:02,000 --> 00:18:04,799 I mean she talked about how she loved the Catholic Church, how she went 259 00:18:04,839 --> 00:18:08,119 to church, did everything. She was a deeply spiritual Yes, yeah, 260 00:18:08,160 --> 00:18:10,799 she talked a lot about that, and I know, I was shocked. 261 00:18:10,799 --> 00:18:11,920 I was kind of surprised. I thought she was kind of a rebel from 262 00:18:12,000 --> 00:18:15,000 the beginning, but no, she went to church, loved the church and 263 00:18:15,079 --> 00:18:19,880 all that. That's why she was so disappointed when the scandals start, you 264 00:18:19,960 --> 00:18:26,160 showing you know, the people started talking in the nineties. Yeah, in 265 00:18:26,160 --> 00:18:29,200 the in the nineties when not a lot of people were talking about No, 266 00:18:29,200 --> 00:18:30,640 nobody was talking about it. So when she ripped up that picture of the 267 00:18:30,680 --> 00:18:37,200 Pope on Saturday Night Live, it Americans in particular had no really no idea 268 00:18:37,279 --> 00:18:41,480 what the hell she was talking about. And um, it's shocking when you 269 00:18:41,559 --> 00:18:45,440 look back at how she was treated in response to that momentum And I cannot 270 00:18:45,440 --> 00:18:51,720 imagine pop culture treating a figure like the Pope our current pope or any pope 271 00:18:51,759 --> 00:18:56,680 like some sort of uh, you know, you can't possibly, you know, 272 00:18:56,160 --> 00:19:02,680 disrespect this human being. Like I feel like our are our institutions, 273 00:19:02,720 --> 00:19:07,400 Our faith in our institutions has degraded for good reason, because our institutions have 274 00:19:07,519 --> 00:19:10,519 led us down in the last thirty to forty years. So in the time 275 00:19:10,640 --> 00:19:15,000 since she ripped up that picture, and this is what happened when the when 276 00:19:15,559 --> 00:19:18,440 her death was announced, we tweeted this, but so did everybody else, 277 00:19:18,559 --> 00:19:22,400 over and over again. Everyone said you were right, Channade. You were 278 00:19:22,480 --> 00:19:26,039 right about a lot of things, but especially about that. I mean, 279 00:19:26,119 --> 00:19:29,519 she before anybody was talking about the sex abuse scandals, and I shouldn't call 280 00:19:29,519 --> 00:19:33,240 it sex abuse because you know you're raping children. That's not sex, that's 281 00:19:33,519 --> 00:19:38,000 rape. Um the the child abuse in the in the Catholic Church's history, 282 00:19:38,039 --> 00:19:42,920 and or you know, in their sort of its endemic to their hierarchy in 283 00:19:42,960 --> 00:19:48,720 a lot of ways, you put a lot of um repressed men in charge, 284 00:19:49,000 --> 00:19:52,400 sexual repressed men in charge and give them absolute power over community. Well 285 00:19:52,400 --> 00:19:56,000 guess what they're going to do. Yeah, I mean you have to exactly 286 00:19:56,039 --> 00:19:57,839 what Chennaide point, right, You have to understand her mindset. I mean, 287 00:19:59,079 --> 00:20:03,640 she also talks abou women getting pregnant by everybody, by their fathers, 288 00:20:03,720 --> 00:20:07,079 by their boyfriends, but by the priest, you know, but the fathers, 289 00:20:07,119 --> 00:20:11,519 whatever, everybody, and then sent away, you know, to disappear 290 00:20:11,640 --> 00:20:15,119 and never see you again. All that stuff, I mean, and it's 291 00:20:15,160 --> 00:20:18,599 all related to the church, right, And it's very interesting. I didn't 292 00:20:18,640 --> 00:20:21,640 know that when her mother died she took two things. She said she only 293 00:20:21,640 --> 00:20:23,839 took two things from the house. I guess I can't remember the second thing. 294 00:20:23,839 --> 00:20:27,200 But the first thing was that picture of the pope. It was hanging 295 00:20:27,240 --> 00:20:30,200 in her mother's bedroom and she was the same one she ripped up on sad. 296 00:20:30,440 --> 00:20:33,440 Yeah. So it has so much meaning, so much symbolism. People 297 00:20:33,480 --> 00:20:36,960 didn't know it at the time. They had no idea. It was such 298 00:20:37,000 --> 00:20:40,519 a personal statement on her part. Yeah. I mean, even her publicist 299 00:20:40,559 --> 00:20:42,160 said at the time, she said, I can't get you out of this 300 00:20:42,160 --> 00:20:45,119 one at all. I mean, you're on your own. I mean, 301 00:20:45,200 --> 00:20:49,519 it was huge at the time, and it just seemed so embarrassingly silly the 302 00:20:49,680 --> 00:20:52,920 response to it. It was a picture. All she did was rip up 303 00:20:52,920 --> 00:20:56,759 a picture like there's she didn't pope the Catholic Church and all that. Yes, 304 00:20:56,839 --> 00:21:00,480 yeah, and I mean at the time the pope was JOm Paul the 305 00:21:00,480 --> 00:21:03,359 Second, who was probably one of the more popular popes in the modern era. 306 00:21:03,480 --> 00:21:11,240 He was very good at managing his own image. So and as I 307 00:21:11,279 --> 00:21:15,480 said, she she wasn't anti religion. In fact, she converted to Islam 308 00:21:15,559 --> 00:21:18,799 later in her life, and she was apparently very faithful in that. She 309 00:21:18,880 --> 00:21:22,559 had always been spiritual and looking for me like a lot of artists, looking 310 00:21:22,599 --> 00:21:30,160 for spiritual meaning in her life. However, the other aspect of Sanade's public 311 00:21:30,200 --> 00:21:34,319 and private life is the fact that she has had very very public mental health 312 00:21:34,319 --> 00:21:37,920 struggles. And I'd say public because she shared them like an artist would, 313 00:21:38,480 --> 00:21:44,599 very openly. She she was in and out of actually you know, mental 314 00:21:44,720 --> 00:21:51,799 institutions or in patient facilities, I guess we would call them for several years. 315 00:21:52,240 --> 00:21:55,799 A couple of years back, she u she had a couple of public 316 00:21:56,839 --> 00:22:00,200 sort of mental health crises that played out. Some of them were on social 317 00:22:00,240 --> 00:22:03,680 media, where she would she would, you know, post these very heartfelt 318 00:22:03,720 --> 00:22:07,960 but almost but kind of disturbing messages about how much distress she was in. 319 00:22:08,359 --> 00:22:14,839 She has claimed to have been diagnosed as bipolar and as having a border borderline 320 00:22:14,839 --> 00:22:19,000 personality disorder, and then in later um writings she has claimed that other doctors 321 00:22:19,000 --> 00:22:23,960 claimed that she wasn't bipolar. She was. I'm sorry, but there's no 322 00:22:23,960 --> 00:22:27,039 other way to put this. She was very erratic in the public in terms 323 00:22:27,079 --> 00:22:33,039 of how she talked about her mental health. So it's it's I just want 324 00:22:33,039 --> 00:22:37,519 to be thoughtful in discussing this because I can't diagnose her, and I don't 325 00:22:37,519 --> 00:22:41,960 want to diagnose her. And also there is an assumption, because no information 326 00:22:41,000 --> 00:22:45,799 has come out about how she died, that she died by suicide, right, 327 00:22:45,359 --> 00:22:48,240 But again I don't want to make that assumption, not yet, I 328 00:22:48,319 --> 00:22:56,319 mean, not at all, until we get exactly her Sunshane, who was 329 00:22:56,359 --> 00:23:02,680 seventeen years old, died by suicide too years ago. I believe she was 330 00:23:02,720 --> 00:23:06,880 devastating, as any mother would. She posted about it the last post I 331 00:23:06,920 --> 00:23:08,839 believe on Instagram. It was a picture with her son or something like that. 332 00:23:10,119 --> 00:23:14,640 She um. So she came from a family, her mother had mental 333 00:23:14,640 --> 00:23:18,480 health health her she had them, and her son died by suicide. So 334 00:23:18,960 --> 00:23:23,039 it's really tragic, but it's a very good illustration of how this sort of 335 00:23:23,079 --> 00:23:29,079 thing passes down through families and it's a it's a generational struggle through families that's 336 00:23:29,240 --> 00:23:33,359 very, very hard to escape. Um. I think she was brave to 337 00:23:33,400 --> 00:23:36,880 talk about all of her mental health stuff, but um, I don't think 338 00:23:36,920 --> 00:23:40,559 the public was very good about listening to it. But they never were very 339 00:23:40,559 --> 00:23:45,480 good about listening to her now. And I think her story is incredible. 340 00:23:45,519 --> 00:23:49,000 I mean, you know, a woman fighting for all these courses, you 341 00:23:49,000 --> 00:23:53,039 know, risking her career, risking everything she believes in, right in terms 342 00:23:53,119 --> 00:23:57,319 of art and you know, career, because she thought that she had to 343 00:23:57,359 --> 00:24:03,640 talk about these things and it was more important to her than because because those 344 00:24:03,640 --> 00:24:07,240 things matter too. Yeah, at a time when people didn't talk about anythings 345 00:24:07,359 --> 00:24:11,680 right, especially as a woman. You know. Uh, she was criticized 346 00:24:11,720 --> 00:24:14,319 the law, I mean, as she said, and she says that in 347 00:24:14,359 --> 00:24:15,279 the documentary and I was like, wow, she says, you know, 348 00:24:15,319 --> 00:24:19,359 they tried to silence silence me. They tried to they actually tried to kill 349 00:24:19,400 --> 00:24:26,480 me. And it's true. Yeah. The other thing I would if you're 350 00:24:26,519 --> 00:24:30,720 not entirely familiar with side who's not familiar with Sennide, but if you want 351 00:24:30,720 --> 00:24:36,039 to learn more about her, the interviews that she gave in in recent years 352 00:24:36,119 --> 00:24:40,440 were um eye opening in the sense that she was very open about her pain, 353 00:24:40,680 --> 00:24:45,960 about her struggles and everything she's been through. But she's also um I 354 00:24:47,000 --> 00:24:52,039 don't want to say surprisingly because that sounds dismissive, but amazingly self aware of 355 00:24:52,079 --> 00:24:56,079 self conscious, articulate about who she is, about how people see her. 356 00:24:56,839 --> 00:25:00,920 UM. I don't know that she was all that open about admitting mistakes in 357 00:25:02,000 --> 00:25:07,079 her life, but she she was very, very self aware of everything, 358 00:25:07,519 --> 00:25:10,880 and she was very good about talking about herself and putting so much of this 359 00:25:11,000 --> 00:25:15,799 stuff in context. She was I guess I had to be blunt here. 360 00:25:15,839 --> 00:25:18,359 She wasn't as quote crazy as people tried to make her out to be. 361 00:25:18,559 --> 00:25:23,319 She always had a point, she always had a focus, and she never 362 00:25:23,359 --> 00:25:29,119 really wavered from it her whole life. So if her behavior was a radic 363 00:25:29,279 --> 00:25:33,880 or her her comportment, the way she you know, acted in public or 364 00:25:33,880 --> 00:25:37,240 whatever, was you know, bizarre to help, at the heart of it 365 00:25:37,279 --> 00:25:44,160 all, she was doing something really powerful, really important, and extremely consistent 366 00:25:44,200 --> 00:25:48,359 all the way down the line said. Wasn't just you know, flipping out 367 00:25:48,440 --> 00:25:52,200 and reacting to shit. She she was in some ways I think she might 368 00:25:52,240 --> 00:25:56,880 have considered this her artistry. Her real artistry was talking about these things and 369 00:25:56,920 --> 00:26:00,880 bringing light to them. And now you look at these things you're like, 370 00:26:00,880 --> 00:26:03,799 wow, they don't matter. But they did matter at the time. Down 371 00:26:03,839 --> 00:26:07,400 to her hair when she shaved her head, I mean, everyone was treating 372 00:26:07,440 --> 00:26:11,000 her like she was crazy, right, like she was you know, why 373 00:26:11,039 --> 00:26:14,920 did you do that with and all that stuff that seemed so nuts at the 374 00:26:15,000 --> 00:26:19,000 time. It's like a freaking fashion statement, but it was such a political 375 00:26:19,039 --> 00:26:23,039 statement and the hair eighties and the hair band eadies to say, and that 376 00:26:23,079 --> 00:26:26,400 was apparently she did it in response to an executive, yes, a music 377 00:26:26,440 --> 00:26:30,160 executive, who told her to start, you know, dressing more pretty. 378 00:26:30,200 --> 00:26:33,480 And she said, you know what I'm if I shave it off, you 379 00:26:33,519 --> 00:26:36,200 can't tell me what to do with it. Yeah. And the documentary show 380 00:26:36,240 --> 00:26:38,559 with a bunch of interview with her at the beginning of her career talking about 381 00:26:38,559 --> 00:26:41,200 the hair, and everyone was talking about the hair. Why did you shave 382 00:26:41,240 --> 00:26:44,440 your head? You know, all that kind of Oh my god, she 383 00:26:44,440 --> 00:26:47,559 looked beautiful. She looks incredible with the shaved head. I don't know that 384 00:26:47,599 --> 00:26:52,559 I've ever seen Channade except old pictures of her pre fame with her hair but 385 00:26:52,759 --> 00:26:56,319 my god an eighty eight, she those eyes an absolutely stunner on camera. 386 00:26:56,480 --> 00:27:02,480 Not that her looks mattered, They certainly never mattered to her anyway. Um 387 00:27:02,799 --> 00:27:08,319 naide slunch a girl. You know you know safe journeys. You you um 388 00:27:08,400 --> 00:27:15,640 were right and you fought so hard your whole life and the fight was evident 389 00:27:15,680 --> 00:27:18,880 on your face, like on what it had taken it from you? So 390 00:27:19,039 --> 00:27:23,400 I I wish you nothing but rest. I agree, and it and it 391 00:27:23,480 --> 00:27:26,519 was worth it. It was well I don't. I mean, yes, 392 00:27:27,000 --> 00:27:30,920 her fight was worth her life, I understand, but her cause is and 393 00:27:32,000 --> 00:27:37,200 everything. I mean, look at look at how how artists in general behave 394 00:27:37,279 --> 00:27:41,319 now and you know they embrace causes and to do all that now, But 395 00:27:41,440 --> 00:27:47,000 she did when nobody was doing but hum an anti patriarchal stance, uh in 396 00:27:47,079 --> 00:27:51,720 a in a female artists work and life is now almost considered you know, 397 00:27:51,960 --> 00:27:56,519 to record. But I know I'm mangled the pronunciation there, But um, 398 00:27:57,160 --> 00:28:00,759 when she was doing it to be anti pay dri archle in nineteen eighty eight 399 00:28:00,799 --> 00:28:07,160 as a female pop star is completely insane. Even Madonna, who broke so 400 00:28:07,200 --> 00:28:10,920 many barriers, rolled her eyes at her and made fun of her because Madonna 401 00:28:10,920 --> 00:28:15,640 couldn't take her her sort of musical protest nearly as far as Channade could. 402 00:28:15,680 --> 00:28:19,839 And we're talking about someone came from Ireland. She was the original real one. 403 00:28:19,960 --> 00:28:25,559 So pour one out for Channade because she really was the real deal. 404 00:28:26,599 --> 00:28:32,839 Okay, that this concludes our gen X moralizing and philosophizing, and well, 405 00:28:32,839 --> 00:28:34,319 actually we're going to continue our gen X because now we're gonna talk about a 406 00:28:34,359 --> 00:28:40,720 bunch of fifty five year old ladies having sex or not having sex. Actually 407 00:28:40,759 --> 00:28:45,279 this episode so and just like that. The latest episode was a Valentine's Day 408 00:28:45,279 --> 00:28:48,599 episode, and I gotta say I the minute they mentioned it was Valentine's Day. 409 00:28:49,279 --> 00:28:53,720 This is gonna be painful, but I actually really liked the episode. 410 00:28:53,880 --> 00:28:56,640 Once again, I'm gonna toss to you, but once again I really want 411 00:28:56,640 --> 00:29:03,160 to say it's a very gentle, sort of middle aged version of Sex in 412 00:29:03,240 --> 00:29:07,000 the City, and that the storylines and the characters are all very recognizable. 413 00:29:07,039 --> 00:29:11,160 They feel very much part of that world. I still don't laugh. There 414 00:29:11,160 --> 00:29:14,119 were one or two mild chuckles in this episode, but they have yet to 415 00:29:14,240 --> 00:29:18,400 really write a funny as episode. And I mean, people forget sex and 416 00:29:18,480 --> 00:29:21,519 the City was actually really really funny back from the day. No, it's 417 00:29:21,559 --> 00:29:23,920 not you know, out loud. I don't know, it's just not like 418 00:29:25,039 --> 00:29:26,599 funny. Hahaha. You were leaving out all the time. You're kind of 419 00:29:26,680 --> 00:29:30,680 like, oh, okay, this is gentle chuckles. Yes, but I 420 00:29:30,759 --> 00:29:34,480 kind of liked the episode of Valentine's Day. Oh we've been out many times, 421 00:29:34,480 --> 00:29:37,480 not many times, A couple of times, I guess. I don't 422 00:29:37,480 --> 00:29:41,480 know. We two restaurants and things many times, honey along, but like 423 00:29:41,559 --> 00:29:45,759 celebrating Valentine's I don't remember that many anyway. I don't like it. I 424 00:29:45,799 --> 00:29:49,680 feel like you're just doing something that everybody's doing and then you get to the 425 00:29:51,079 --> 00:29:53,640 see I enjoy restaurants and I enjoy I enjoy a mew very much at a 426 00:29:53,680 --> 00:29:59,119 restaurant. But I like it, you know, personal and quiet and private. 427 00:29:59,279 --> 00:30:02,720 To me, when you do Valentine's Day, it's like you're just you're 428 00:30:02,759 --> 00:30:07,440 a prop there everybody's doing the same. It just feels Valentine's Day is really 429 00:30:07,440 --> 00:30:10,720 pre dating. Yeah yeah, right, I mean going out for Valentine's Day 430 00:30:10,759 --> 00:30:14,240 it's dating. It's not it's get it, but it's I don't I don't 431 00:30:14,279 --> 00:30:17,200 like it. I feel like I'm I'm I was forced to do something. 432 00:30:17,279 --> 00:30:18,240 Yeah, well, it's like going out on the New Year's Eve. Yeah 433 00:30:18,319 --> 00:30:21,440 yeah, yeah, yeah, I feel the same. I feel the same 434 00:30:21,480 --> 00:30:25,119 about that. And now you have so many versions. You have the Galentine, 435 00:30:25,519 --> 00:30:27,799 you know, the gals get together and all that. There's there's different 436 00:30:27,920 --> 00:30:32,359 versions, and I appreciate that, I actually, because you know, it's 437 00:30:32,400 --> 00:30:36,519 about the ones you love and doesn't have necessarily to be you know, um, 438 00:30:36,599 --> 00:30:37,799 you know a man or a woman in your life. By anyway, 439 00:30:38,640 --> 00:30:48,160 I agree. Uh So, running through the episode, Charlotte becomes a monager 440 00:30:48,240 --> 00:30:52,279 to Rock and it is incredibly obnoxious about it, as you would expect from 441 00:30:52,400 --> 00:30:56,359 Charlotte having a child who might have a modeling career in front of them. 442 00:30:56,400 --> 00:31:03,319 So yes, Charlotte flipped out at a modeling agency and Rock wound up quitting, 443 00:31:03,599 --> 00:31:07,440 and Lily was having her. Lily such an obnoxious teenager, and I 444 00:31:07,480 --> 00:31:11,480 actually do a really good job with her. So long story short, Charlotte 445 00:31:11,480 --> 00:31:18,160 winds up eating a pop brownie and it's another silly Charlotte and Harry moment, 446 00:31:18,200 --> 00:31:22,119 and I don't mind them. I do think this feels very true to Charlotte 447 00:31:22,119 --> 00:31:26,400 and that yes, I agree. He would get herself in these silly little 448 00:31:26,440 --> 00:31:30,599 situations and that sort of thing. And the whole thing about her thinking she 449 00:31:30,680 --> 00:31:33,640 was having a stroke and Harry flipping out on the girl in the restaurant. 450 00:31:33,200 --> 00:31:37,880 It was funny and very New York because it's hard that age group, Like 451 00:31:38,200 --> 00:31:41,880 there are so many stories of people in our age group or that age group 452 00:31:42,000 --> 00:31:47,279 accidentally ingesting weed and then not knowing how to handle it. I think Charlotte 453 00:31:47,359 --> 00:31:51,359 is the number one character in terms of like being very true to whatever, 454 00:31:51,799 --> 00:31:55,440 yeah they had in the past. I agree, And I'm happy to say 455 00:31:55,480 --> 00:31:59,640 that it seems like all of her shenanigans this season, which felt a little 456 00:32:00,200 --> 00:32:04,880 less but entertaining, have led her to this point where she finally said, 457 00:32:05,079 --> 00:32:07,359 I think I need to go back to work. It'll be very interesting how 458 00:32:07,359 --> 00:32:09,119 that plays out. Well. First of all, it's so silly that, 459 00:32:09,160 --> 00:32:13,400 you know, someone made her a job offer at a dinner party months ago, 460 00:32:13,440 --> 00:32:15,359 and she's just going to take them up on it now, And of 461 00:32:15,400 --> 00:32:19,079 course it'll happen for her. But of course life doesn't actually like a gallery. 462 00:32:19,119 --> 00:32:22,720 Positions don't remain open for months, you know, because they're waiting to 463 00:32:22,759 --> 00:32:27,400 hear from someone stay at home mom. I know. So she's likely to 464 00:32:27,440 --> 00:32:30,839 be working at a gallery again soon, and I actually think that's a great 465 00:32:30,920 --> 00:32:37,319 storyline her because there's so many both comedic and dramatic possibilities of her returning to 466 00:32:37,440 --> 00:32:40,680 a career after all this time, so many great episodes about her and the 467 00:32:40,720 --> 00:32:45,880 gallery, remember, yeah, And there were also many great discussions when she 468 00:32:45,000 --> 00:32:49,720 decided to give that career up and the other women had a real problem with 469 00:32:49,759 --> 00:32:52,480 it, as they might, and as women in that generation or any generation 470 00:32:52,599 --> 00:32:59,720 might so love the Charlotte whole storyline, it's working for me. She's a 471 00:33:00,000 --> 00:33:05,960 relatively silly character, she always was, and I do think Kristin Davis is 472 00:33:06,000 --> 00:33:09,240 probably the weakest actress of the original four, but she should get some credit 473 00:33:09,319 --> 00:33:15,880 because she actually doesn't view Charlotte feels very real, even when she gets very 474 00:33:15,880 --> 00:33:20,480 silly and her I agree, but christ And Davis really does understand that character 475 00:33:20,599 --> 00:33:22,599 very well, and she modulates her performance very very well. And if you 476 00:33:22,640 --> 00:33:27,640 pay attention, because I think she is a decent actress, it's her micro 477 00:33:27,799 --> 00:33:30,519 expressions and various scenes. The way she reacts to things is still very very 478 00:33:30,559 --> 00:33:38,640 funny. So good job on that moving on to I gotta say it was 479 00:33:38,759 --> 00:33:44,079 white ladies sex in the city episode pretty much. I mean they stopped for 480 00:33:44,119 --> 00:33:47,720 a moment on Nayah, who has no storyline, and she's such a great 481 00:33:47,759 --> 00:33:52,559 actress, that character looks amazing. We've got a great life on screen that 482 00:33:52,640 --> 00:33:55,160 I want. I mean, you're a Columbia law professor in Brooklyn. I 483 00:33:55,720 --> 00:34:00,599 want to hear more about that. But it's all about her sad um soon 484 00:34:00,680 --> 00:34:05,240 to be divorce life and and that's it. That's all she has as a 485 00:34:05,319 --> 00:34:08,320 character, and I really think that is such a waste of that character. 486 00:34:08,960 --> 00:34:15,639 Similarly, the Wexleys, Lisa Todd Wexley and her husband again, love watching 487 00:34:15,679 --> 00:34:19,800 them. They're kind of fabulous together. They have a life that feels very 488 00:34:19,840 --> 00:34:22,239 much a part of this this world that all these characters are in, and 489 00:34:22,280 --> 00:34:28,400 their problems are very much you know, one percent or problems, but black 490 00:34:28,480 --> 00:34:31,599 one percent of problems. So all of that's great, but this was such 491 00:34:31,639 --> 00:34:36,679 a nothing storyline. It was about her son, you know, her her 492 00:34:36,719 --> 00:34:40,239 teenage son and his white girlfriend possibly having sex in their apartment, and then 493 00:34:40,239 --> 00:34:45,599 it turns out that she's modeling her bags and her closet and everything, and 494 00:34:45,000 --> 00:34:47,960 it went nowhere. I know. I agree it's funny because they made it 495 00:34:49,000 --> 00:34:52,519 sound like she was more upset with the bag than she was more I mean, 496 00:34:52,559 --> 00:34:53,519 I think they made it clear that they were. They were like, 497 00:34:53,559 --> 00:34:58,079 look, have sex, but you know you're not. Don't have it in 498 00:34:58,079 --> 00:35:00,280 our bed, and you don't get to have a hotel for Valentine's Night. 499 00:35:00,719 --> 00:35:06,039 I agree, it was just silly. It went with the Valentine's Day theme, 500 00:35:06,119 --> 00:35:07,760 but at the same time, it was like, all right, she's 501 00:35:07,800 --> 00:35:12,599 making a chocolate cake and you know, and the other one, the couple, 502 00:35:12,760 --> 00:35:15,480 it's just like the ones that have except for Miranda, the ones that 503 00:35:15,519 --> 00:35:19,119 have children, like Lisa and Charlotte. Too much of the stuff is focused 504 00:35:19,199 --> 00:35:22,039 on them as mothers, which with Charlotte, I think that makes a lot 505 00:35:22,039 --> 00:35:24,519 of sense, But my god, with Lisa Todd Wesley, there's so much 506 00:35:24,559 --> 00:35:29,000 more to talk about with that character. It makes sense with Charlotte because that's 507 00:35:29,039 --> 00:35:31,079 all that's what she that's who she is. You know, it's all about, 508 00:35:31,519 --> 00:35:34,639 you know, being a mother and taking care of the family and all 509 00:35:34,679 --> 00:35:37,000 that. But not the other ones. You know, the other ladies should 510 00:35:37,119 --> 00:35:39,800 get more attention to and focus more on what they do. And I don't 511 00:35:39,800 --> 00:35:45,159 know, Lisa has such an interesting life. That's not that motherhood isn't interesting, 512 00:35:45,199 --> 00:35:47,840 but that storyline about worry fretting over her teenage son's sex life, that's 513 00:35:47,840 --> 00:35:51,679 not interesting. There's way too much going on in that woman's Like I agree. 514 00:35:52,039 --> 00:35:53,800 I mean, the husband's running for I don't know, city controller or 515 00:35:53,880 --> 00:35:58,320 something like that. Like I just feel like more issues about that, you 516 00:35:58,320 --> 00:36:00,119 know, like dealing with that. There's me there, so why are you 517 00:36:00,320 --> 00:36:05,360 doing these like silly little sitcom things with her? And then there're sema, 518 00:36:06,000 --> 00:36:09,440 oh my god, they are just killing this character, making her so shallow 519 00:36:09,480 --> 00:36:14,920 and she and she just comes in to be Samantha for a second and then 520 00:36:15,039 --> 00:36:17,880 leaves and gets very little. Right. That part of the show is starting 521 00:36:17,920 --> 00:36:22,119 to bother me. It's like they they're finally getting a hand on on the 522 00:36:22,199 --> 00:36:24,559 characters we recognize. But at the same time, the ones that they introduced 523 00:36:24,599 --> 00:36:30,079 are who are all people are all being marginalized? Right, And she seems 524 00:36:30,199 --> 00:36:32,159 very successful, you know, has money in a career and all that. 525 00:36:32,360 --> 00:36:36,280 Very successful. They spent this episode yelling at a girl and I know, 526 00:36:36,360 --> 00:36:39,400 but it's all about being billy and and shallow, and that's what they gave 527 00:36:39,400 --> 00:36:43,119 her to do. Now, there's a lot of characters now, so maybe 528 00:36:43,119 --> 00:36:49,360 you can't cycle through everyone. But once again, um, Carrie is the 529 00:36:49,400 --> 00:36:53,000 centerpiece of every episode until she comes. Carrie Bradshaw and her lady friends. 530 00:36:53,079 --> 00:36:57,079 Which sex in the city had that problem as well. It's part of why 531 00:36:57,159 --> 00:37:00,719 Kim Cantrall never come back. Yes, and we'll get to carry and Aiden 532 00:37:00,800 --> 00:37:06,559 in a second. Let's talk about Miranda huh. So, first of all, 533 00:37:06,559 --> 00:37:08,920 I thought she looked stunning that purple. That purple dress looks she looks 534 00:37:08,960 --> 00:37:12,639 so good on her. They find you know, it was the same thing 535 00:37:12,639 --> 00:37:15,880 on the old show. I don't think Cynthia Nixon is hard to dress in 536 00:37:15,920 --> 00:37:20,280 any way, but her outfits were always hit or miss as Miranda, and 537 00:37:20,559 --> 00:37:22,599 they hit on this one. It was one of the best outfits, and 538 00:37:22,639 --> 00:37:30,000 the gold sandals and everything kind of cute. Felt very much like Saxon Cities. 539 00:37:30,239 --> 00:37:35,960 Although I do well, let's run down what happened. She she was 540 00:37:36,000 --> 00:37:39,440 bemoaning the fact that she was spending Valentine's Day alone, which I kind of 541 00:37:39,440 --> 00:37:44,519 think fifty five year old women don't actually sit around having those kind of conversations. 542 00:37:44,599 --> 00:37:47,760 But you know, maybe I'm wrong about that. But her life is, 543 00:37:47,840 --> 00:37:52,480 you know, I get it. She her she blew up her marriage, 544 00:37:52,519 --> 00:37:55,840 she went after a relationship and then that blew up, and now she's 545 00:37:55,880 --> 00:38:00,679 single in her mid fifties, and there's a lot to unpack their and she 546 00:38:00,800 --> 00:38:07,199 doesn't seem to know what her her sort of orientation is. Although I was 547 00:38:07,199 --> 00:38:09,159 a little annoyed that at the end she was like, I'm done with Dickens, 548 00:38:09,199 --> 00:38:14,639 and I was like, I don't believe that. I mean, maybe 549 00:38:14,719 --> 00:38:19,719 Cynthia Nixon's life played out that way. Certainly, many queer women go all 550 00:38:19,760 --> 00:38:22,880 the way through, you know, a major portion of the decades of their 551 00:38:22,880 --> 00:38:27,079 lives, thinking that they're heterosexual. But I actually thought it might have been 552 00:38:27,159 --> 00:38:30,280 interesting to have Miranda bounced back and forth until she figures out what she wants. 553 00:38:30,320 --> 00:38:36,199 But instead she went for the first hot woman that she encountered, which 554 00:38:36,239 --> 00:38:38,280 is fine. It's kind of fun to see Miranda feeling her oats. I 555 00:38:38,280 --> 00:38:42,199 can't I don't know who that actress is. I know she was on Younger 556 00:38:42,280 --> 00:38:46,280 and I can't remember her name. Oh no, she was on the Bold 557 00:38:46,320 --> 00:38:49,920 Type, right, or she was on one of those shows. She was 558 00:38:49,920 --> 00:38:53,079 on the Bold Type. Anyway, she was a magazine editor. I can't 559 00:38:53,079 --> 00:38:57,840 remember the actor's name, anyway, she was great. She was an audiobook 560 00:38:58,639 --> 00:39:06,000 voice actor who does Austin adaptations, and Um, Miranda hit on her hard 561 00:39:06,519 --> 00:39:10,199 and they set up a first date on Valentine's Day, which I'm saying, 562 00:39:10,199 --> 00:39:15,400 I think that's the amount of first dates on Valentine's Day among this crowd. 563 00:39:15,440 --> 00:39:16,559 I was like, that's a little silly. I don't people don't do that, 564 00:39:17,119 --> 00:39:23,519 but whatever. So Um. On the one hand, the whole scene 565 00:39:23,519 --> 00:39:28,079 with her showing up and the woman lives in a tiny apartment, it's not 566 00:39:28,159 --> 00:39:32,000 particularly impressive. It's kind of dirty and messy, and she herself is when 567 00:39:32,039 --> 00:39:35,599 they met, but she looked like shit when she opened the door, which 568 00:39:35,639 --> 00:39:37,360 I also don't think, Like, it's Valentine's Day and you have a hot 569 00:39:37,400 --> 00:39:42,079 hook up and you're gonna look like that, I don't think so Um. 570 00:39:42,159 --> 00:39:45,360 I also think there was something a little more than a little classist in the 571 00:39:45,440 --> 00:39:49,599 response there, where with all of these women tend to have beautiful homes and 572 00:39:49,639 --> 00:39:52,480 they're all quite wealthy, and then she walks into basically a typical New York 573 00:39:52,480 --> 00:39:58,800 apartment and gets really snotty about the whole thing. Um, and it found 574 00:39:58,800 --> 00:40:01,119 a little bit like the old sex in the city they meet, too old 575 00:40:01,159 --> 00:40:05,440 for these strines. Yeah, they had that a lot that any you know, 576 00:40:05,440 --> 00:40:07,440 they met someone and the whole thing ended by the end of the episode 577 00:40:07,480 --> 00:40:12,440 because there was there was some flower saying or one flaw right. I mean, 578 00:40:12,480 --> 00:40:15,320 I will give Miranda every credit. She should have walked out on that. 579 00:40:15,800 --> 00:40:19,039 Yeah, I mean it was, but not because the woman had a 580 00:40:19,079 --> 00:40:22,400 small apartment or because she had a litter box in the room. It was 581 00:40:22,440 --> 00:40:25,920 because she was that's a terrible way to greet someone on Valentine's Day for a 582 00:40:25,920 --> 00:40:30,239 hook up. Like, I want have walked out on that too. Put 583 00:40:30,280 --> 00:40:31,800 a little more effort into it, you know, I don't know, just 584 00:40:31,840 --> 00:40:35,760 the whole thing was a little bit of like a lesbian cliche, like, 585 00:40:35,840 --> 00:40:38,320 oh, she's she's got flannels. They made sure to mention that she had 586 00:40:38,360 --> 00:40:44,159 flanneled she and she's a cat lady and her place is kind of messy and 587 00:40:44,239 --> 00:40:46,880 dirty. And I was like, oh, we're we're jumping headlong into the 588 00:40:46,960 --> 00:40:52,920 lesbian stereotypes on this one. Um. So I was six and one half 589 00:40:52,960 --> 00:40:57,880 dozen. Of the other parts of that storyline I really liked because it felt 590 00:40:57,880 --> 00:41:01,880 like classic sex in the city. Other parts I thought were a little a 591 00:41:01,920 --> 00:41:07,440 little lazy in how they were written, And I also generally kind of question. 592 00:41:07,639 --> 00:41:10,960 I mean, Miranda at one point said the Miranda of thirty five would 593 00:41:12,000 --> 00:41:14,360 have walked out, So now the Miranda at fifty five is going to walk 594 00:41:14,360 --> 00:41:15,440 out? And I was like, on the one hand, I'm glad you 595 00:41:15,480 --> 00:41:19,360 made that comparison. On the other hand, that comparison doesn't actually make you 596 00:41:19,400 --> 00:41:23,480 look good, because why are you in these situations twenty years later? Granted, 597 00:41:23,519 --> 00:41:28,400 I understand she's new to dating again, and she's definitely new to dating 598 00:41:28,400 --> 00:41:31,840 women, and anyone of any age out in the dating world is going to 599 00:41:31,880 --> 00:41:36,760 have these sort of encounters that are just a little humiliating, a little embarrassed, 600 00:41:36,840 --> 00:41:38,920 right, I agree, But everything about this when she said the Miranda 601 00:41:38,960 --> 00:41:43,360 of thirty five, I was like, Yeah, this this feels a little 602 00:41:43,360 --> 00:41:45,239 bit too much like the Miranda at thirty five. I would have liked to 603 00:41:45,320 --> 00:41:49,760 have seen a little progression her. Well, the good news is she's not 604 00:41:49,760 --> 00:41:52,519 witchy anymore. So that she's not witch and she's getting a job out of 605 00:41:52,639 --> 00:41:57,440 bed for something, and I'm like, I couldn't care less but I still 606 00:41:57,440 --> 00:42:00,199 don't hate Chay as a character. I actually like, really like her and 607 00:42:00,440 --> 00:42:06,840 and um Carrie together because they are so ridiculously different that it's an interesting vibe. 608 00:42:07,559 --> 00:42:09,840 But you know whatever, I'm not mad that Jay is still in the 609 00:42:09,880 --> 00:42:14,519 story. I just feel like her get them getting a job out of Vet 610 00:42:14,639 --> 00:42:20,280 is really not a CBS the adult drama. But Jay is still an asshole. 611 00:42:20,360 --> 00:42:22,400 The whole thing about like, oh where's Maron? She needs to get 612 00:42:22,400 --> 00:42:23,960 her ship out of my place? She is, I mean, they are 613 00:42:24,360 --> 00:42:29,559 very cold, still the same, still the same, which fine, um, 614 00:42:29,599 --> 00:42:32,320 but no one seems to want want to call Chay on their ship. 615 00:42:34,119 --> 00:42:37,199 But anyway, whatever, Okay, So big story of the week. I 616 00:42:37,360 --> 00:42:39,519 knew it's Carrie Bradshaw. I have to say, I thought I was going 617 00:42:39,559 --> 00:42:44,760 to hate it, but I didn't. I didn't hate. I didn't hate 618 00:42:44,800 --> 00:42:47,000 it, although I did hate the way it ended. But I will get 619 00:42:47,039 --> 00:42:52,239 there. I I gotta say the moment when they first caught eyes at each 620 00:42:52,239 --> 00:42:55,960 other around the street they both played John Corbett in and they played it it 621 00:42:57,039 --> 00:43:01,280 was really beautiful. I I'm on record as saying that Aiden was as fucked 622 00:43:01,320 --> 00:43:06,679 up a relationship as Big was in a lot of ways. He was manipulative 623 00:43:06,719 --> 00:43:12,559 with her, and he expected her to change for him, and he never 624 00:43:12,840 --> 00:43:15,559 seemed to actually see the person that he was infatuated with, like, look 625 00:43:15,559 --> 00:43:20,960 at Carrie Bradshaw and then understand that she's not the person to walk your dog 626 00:43:21,480 --> 00:43:23,800 or to set up house with, not at least not back then he made 627 00:43:23,800 --> 00:43:28,840 her quit smoking, which again I understand people had boundaries and everything, but 628 00:43:28,880 --> 00:43:34,280 he was constantly putting her through things, and then in response, she was 629 00:43:34,320 --> 00:43:37,960 acting out against all these restrictions by cheating on him, right, because we're 630 00:43:37,000 --> 00:43:42,760 not wearing his engagement right because it wasn't her. So it was a screwed 631 00:43:42,840 --> 00:43:45,639 up relationship at the time. And when they announced John Corbet's return, I 632 00:43:45,719 --> 00:43:47,480 was like, Oh my god, is this show just going to be about 633 00:43:47,480 --> 00:43:52,400 reliving every screwed up thing these women did in their thirties. And then they 634 00:43:52,440 --> 00:43:54,199 see each other for the first time on the street, and it was genuinely 635 00:43:54,320 --> 00:43:58,599 romantic and sweet. The way they looked at each other. It was like, 636 00:43:58,639 --> 00:44:04,079 Okay, these people have serious his history and all my complaints about them 637 00:44:04,079 --> 00:44:07,320 aside, he was the number two love affair in her life. They sold 638 00:44:07,360 --> 00:44:10,599 that one like hell back in the day. Actually my favorite story actually better 639 00:44:10,599 --> 00:44:15,800 than John, better than Big So seeing him again, I gotta say, 640 00:44:15,840 --> 00:44:19,920 John Corbett looks really good. He's in his early sixties, he's very well 641 00:44:19,960 --> 00:44:22,360 man, and he was immediately the Aiden we know, the Aiden we know, 642 00:44:22,679 --> 00:44:30,519 I know, maddeningly obtuse aiden that we know. And so yes, 643 00:44:30,559 --> 00:44:32,960 it was lovely to see them together. And then they had a dinner together 644 00:44:34,119 --> 00:44:37,159 where everything about it was good, and then they did something that I was 645 00:44:37,199 --> 00:44:43,280 like, well, damn okay, like serious repercussions, like people acting like 646 00:44:43,320 --> 00:44:45,920 adults with real feelings. When they went back to her place, he was 647 00:44:46,800 --> 00:44:51,800 shocked and more than a little judgmental that she was still living there. And 648 00:44:51,840 --> 00:44:54,440 I wonder if if this is going to lead to her finally getting the hell 649 00:44:54,480 --> 00:44:59,639 out of that apartment, because you're fifty five and you're really wealthy, why 650 00:44:59,760 --> 00:45:04,559 you living wall up? Yes, from your twenties and thirties, there's something 651 00:45:04,719 --> 00:45:07,320 very I mean, I know people in New York living apartments for decades at 652 00:45:07,320 --> 00:45:12,159 a time. But she has nothing happened. She hadn't mentioned, right, 653 00:45:12,880 --> 00:45:15,239 she doesn't have to, and you know, we're supposed to believe she stores 654 00:45:15,280 --> 00:45:19,840 all her crature in that in that tiny little closet and it just never made 655 00:45:19,840 --> 00:45:24,519 any sense for her. But his response was more like, it wasn't judging 656 00:45:24,519 --> 00:45:28,559 her for being stuck in her past. It was more like, oh no, 657 00:45:28,679 --> 00:45:30,679 this was incredibly painful for me, and I don't want to go back. 658 00:45:30,719 --> 00:45:35,239 And he ran down the list of things like refinishing her floors and breaking 659 00:45:35,280 --> 00:45:37,480 through them, and I thought, I was like, that's great. That's 660 00:45:37,519 --> 00:45:42,559 really taking what we know about these characters from the past and bringing it into 661 00:45:42,559 --> 00:45:45,559 the present. In a way. It's like the Steve thing last episode, 662 00:45:45,559 --> 00:45:51,760 where it finally felt like Stephen Miranda and I honestly thought they were done there. 663 00:45:51,800 --> 00:45:52,960 I was like, all right, well no, because we knew. 664 00:45:53,000 --> 00:45:58,119 I knew there were more scenes because we had seen but I thought, okay, 665 00:45:58,159 --> 00:46:00,840 well they're done. I Well, that's the thing. It was a 666 00:46:00,920 --> 00:46:05,840 really honest and grown up, an adult response where he said I can't go 667 00:46:05,920 --> 00:46:09,760 back up there again, and um, I part of me was hoping that 668 00:46:09,840 --> 00:46:15,039 Carrie was embarrassed by that. Carrie maybe would start questioning why am I living 669 00:46:15,079 --> 00:46:19,239 in the past. There's so much pain attached to that apartment as well, 670 00:46:20,840 --> 00:46:24,199 But instead they decided to get a hotel room and they kissed, and so 671 00:46:24,239 --> 00:46:30,239 they're putting off that issue for another day. But I was opposed to the 672 00:46:30,280 --> 00:46:32,639 Aiden's storyline in a lot of ways when announced, I agree, But I 673 00:46:32,679 --> 00:46:37,320 actually really liked this initial meeting between the two, and I think they did 674 00:46:37,360 --> 00:46:42,800 a very good job, especially you know with Aiden m Everything he said, 675 00:46:43,480 --> 00:46:45,079 you know, it was just perfect. Everything he said, it was absolutely 676 00:46:45,079 --> 00:46:49,239 perfect talking to her about you know, their lives, so do you have 677 00:46:49,280 --> 00:46:52,880 someone? And all that felt so real. It felt grown up. It 678 00:46:52,960 --> 00:46:57,079 felt the conversation like two people who had known each other a long you know, 679 00:46:57,199 --> 00:47:00,239 from a long time ago. And as you said, when they to 680 00:47:00,280 --> 00:47:04,679 the apartment, that whole reaction I was not expecting now and I thought it 681 00:47:04,719 --> 00:47:07,599 was great and it felt very real and also like, yeah, you don't 682 00:47:07,599 --> 00:47:09,960 want to go in there? Why he and the surprised at Oh, you 683 00:47:10,280 --> 00:47:13,920 didn't move on? You didn't move on? Like that's why. I was 684 00:47:13,960 --> 00:47:16,320 like, I hope you're a little embarrassing, right, you actually should be. 685 00:47:19,159 --> 00:47:22,440 And I really liked the idea that as much as I thought he was 686 00:47:22,519 --> 00:47:24,599 manipulative and an asshole to her for in a lot of ways back in the 687 00:47:24,719 --> 00:47:28,880 day, at the end of the day, as he's If you remember the 688 00:47:28,960 --> 00:47:31,880 scene where he said, you broke my heart back in the day, it's 689 00:47:31,960 --> 00:47:37,639 still broken. And I think that's really smart writing. Like, I don't 690 00:47:37,639 --> 00:47:43,000 think they're ever going to refer to their they're almost hook up in the second 691 00:47:43,039 --> 00:47:45,559 movie, although they did say we haven't seen each other in thirteen years, 692 00:47:45,559 --> 00:47:47,920 and that was thirteen years ago, but I forgot about that. Yeah, 693 00:47:49,039 --> 00:47:52,199 that whole second movie was her maybe she was going to cheat on Big with 694 00:47:52,239 --> 00:47:57,119 Aiden. It was so dumb. Yes, yes, but I like the 695 00:47:57,199 --> 00:48:01,320 idea that he is very fond of her is interesting in pursuing something again with 696 00:48:01,320 --> 00:48:05,800 her, but his heart is still broken, Like back what she did to 697 00:48:05,880 --> 00:48:10,079 him twenty five years or twenty years ago was should have been incredibly painful to 698 00:48:10,119 --> 00:48:14,280 him. I hope they really think about what they're going to do with those 699 00:48:14,280 --> 00:48:17,480 two because I don't want another horrible break up now it's just yeah, I 700 00:48:17,679 --> 00:48:22,119 don't think. I also don't want to see them getting married, so yeah, 701 00:48:22,199 --> 00:48:24,000 or living together. So we'll see where that goes. Right, it 702 00:48:24,039 --> 00:48:29,519 could be a lovely interlude in their middle aged lives where they reconnect as old 703 00:48:29,519 --> 00:48:32,400 friends and lovers and then gently go on their way. Wishing each other. 704 00:48:32,440 --> 00:48:36,559 Well, I doubt that's how it'll play out. I wish it was how 705 00:48:36,599 --> 00:48:39,840 it will play out. But I will say I've been waiting all season for 706 00:48:39,880 --> 00:48:43,800 this Aiden thing to happen, and when it did, I was like, 707 00:48:43,880 --> 00:48:45,280 huh, okay, you know what i'da wasn't too bad. I don't really 708 00:48:45,320 --> 00:48:47,760 mind this. I want to see where it goes next. And that's not 709 00:48:47,840 --> 00:48:51,800 something I can say a lot about a lot of the storylines, and you 710 00:48:51,840 --> 00:48:54,480 can tell. And I think in the next episode she has a conversation with 711 00:48:54,719 --> 00:49:00,519 Miranda about meeting Aiden, a that which feel feels very real, like they're 712 00:49:00,559 --> 00:49:05,639 discussing right right right people they meet in relationships and all another sort of B 713 00:49:05,800 --> 00:49:08,119 plus episode. Wouldn't you say? No, it was good. I enjoyed 714 00:49:08,159 --> 00:49:13,280 this one as well. Um um. I. All the storylines are cooking. 715 00:49:13,320 --> 00:49:15,800 I'm really interested, well, not all the storylines. All the white 716 00:49:15,840 --> 00:49:19,039 ladies storylines are yes and they don't know what to do. Interested to see 717 00:49:19,039 --> 00:49:22,360 where Miranda's going to take her new lesbianism. Interested to see where Charlotte is 718 00:49:22,400 --> 00:49:27,119 going to take her potential new career. Interested to see what Carrie and Nat 719 00:49:27,159 --> 00:49:30,440 and They're going to wind up doing. Meanwhile, every character they introduced, 720 00:49:30,519 --> 00:49:35,840 all of whom are not white or people of color, are floundering and that 721 00:49:35,960 --> 00:49:39,119 looks bad. It does, I agree to agree at this point. These 722 00:49:39,159 --> 00:49:44,679 women, I think they occasionally dabble with Lisa Todd Wexley and in doing it, 723 00:49:45,039 --> 00:49:47,920 but man Seema and Nia, they are just floating around on the backgrounds 724 00:49:47,960 --> 00:49:52,199 like the you know, black woman or Indian woman best friend who doesn't have 725 00:49:52,360 --> 00:49:58,760 anything else to do. Um, there's something about the way Nia and Miranda 726 00:49:58,840 --> 00:50:01,679 interact that I just I feel like it does that actress Karen Pittman's her name 727 00:50:01,760 --> 00:50:05,639 a lot of disservices. I'm like, God, do you really like playing 728 00:50:05,679 --> 00:50:09,079 this woman who who just fawns all over her white lady friend, Like, 729 00:50:09,199 --> 00:50:12,880 Oh, move into my place, Oh let me clap while you go off 730 00:50:12,920 --> 00:50:16,119 on your first date while I'm sitting at home alone, Like, let her 731 00:50:16,159 --> 00:50:21,079 feel like shit about it about her life instead of being this sort of noble 732 00:50:21,199 --> 00:50:27,199 quiet I'm moving forward. Give her something that actress has the ability to do 733 00:50:27,280 --> 00:50:31,559 something that character is Honestly, of all the new ones, she's the one 734 00:50:31,639 --> 00:50:36,320 most potentially interesting. I want her and Miranda to open a law firm together, 735 00:50:36,400 --> 00:50:38,639 Like that would be a great Here you are, you're a Brooklyn law 736 00:50:38,679 --> 00:50:44,199 firm taking on like pro bono work and social office client. What isn't a 737 00:50:44,239 --> 00:50:46,239 great one? Yes, I agree. I think all the new characters are 738 00:50:46,320 --> 00:50:51,239 interesting and have potential, but they're just not working them out. And that's 739 00:50:51,280 --> 00:50:53,960 a shame to see. What was the point in diversifying this show. If 740 00:50:53,960 --> 00:50:58,639 you're not going to use diverse members, it's going to be there. Yeah, 741 00:50:58,840 --> 00:51:02,920 all right, So we have got to catch a car and go to 742 00:51:02,920 --> 00:51:07,559 heaven. Yes, go to heaven. So we're off to Fire Island and 743 00:51:07,639 --> 00:51:10,639 we'd love to hear what you think, your memories of Sinad O'Connor, or 744 00:51:10,679 --> 00:51:15,119 what you thought about this latest episode of Sex in the City. So and 745 00:51:15,199 --> 00:51:17,920 thank you once again for all your kind words and very much I really appreciate 746 00:51:19,119 --> 00:51:22,000 last week. So we'll be back next week with whatever crosses our eyes or 747 00:51:22,079 --> 00:51:25,440 crosses our desks. Until then, take care of yourselves, love you mean 748 00:51:25,519 --> 00:51:27,519 it. Bye bye,