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Hello, everyone, Welcome to the
latest episode of Hardwootns. This is outam

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from We'll here with my always fantastic
co host Dan for Valley. We are

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recording a who You Got episode here. We're gonna be posing some questions about

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whether you'd have player X or player
Why. In some cases team X or

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Team Why for variable amount of time. They might be for the rest of

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this season, they might be for
the rest of their careers, maybe just

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a few years in the future.
Dan has come up with a couple of

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these. I've come up with a
couple of these. Our listeners have also

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come up with some via Twitter via
our Discord channel. We are recording this

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about a week before it is publishing
to account for Dan taking a well deserved,

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very rarely seen vacation. So some
of the numbers, if we if

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we do lean on any of those
for these comparisons, might be a little

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bit out of date, so just
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sentiments won't be because these comparisons really
shouldn't change over the course of a week,

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and if they do, then that's
that's bad analysis by us. So

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this should still feel both that it
can shift on a whim like that that's

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fair. It shouldn't. Still,
I'm with you. We try, we

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both we both try not to be
like too reactive, fair enough, But

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some of these guys, most of
these scenarios are just of such young players

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and teams that maybe you are kind
of straddling like very fine lines here because

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the samples absolutely absolutely, But yeah, that's how are you doing before we

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kick this sauce. I'm hanging in
there. Sick toddlers are always rough,

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especially when they have to stay home
while you're working and wake up a bunch

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during the night. So I'm a
little fatigued at the moment moment, But

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we're gonna put all that aside and
bring a high energy episode as always.

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How about you. I'm gonna bring
a high energy episode as always. I'm

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under caffeinated at the moment relative to
how much caffeine I normally have at this

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point in the day, though,
so we'll see, we'll see how what

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happened to the ninth cup of coffee? Man, I don't drink coffee.

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It's basically just like pre workouts and
then these amino energy things. But I

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have sub five hundred milligrams of caffeine
in me, right now, which is

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just very uncharacteristic for it's eleven thirty
am Eastern time. There's normally more If

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I work out early in the morning, there's more caffeine in my body than

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that you work out. No,
rarely, that's why they're subcaffeine in my

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body. I just don't work out. That's fair. That's fair. Let's

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start with the listener ones. You
thought about this one a lot. It

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was from demos cool. Actually who
you got Shay Gil, just Alexander or

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Tyrese Halibert. And if there are
no specifications in the scenarios that were post

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to us, I'm just assuming you
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That's what I assumed. I have
another one. I thought I had a

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more apt one for Haliburton, but
you thought about this one a lot.

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So I thought about this one a
lot because I, like I wanted to

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convince myself that Haliburton could be the
answer. And I don't think I ever

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got there because Shay, even though
this is his fourth season in the league,

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he's still only twenty three, and
he's demonstrated that he can capably serve

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as that number one option. So
that's that's the thing that it keeps coming

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down to for me, where even
with the expansions of Haliburton's game, which

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was already so remarkably well rounded in
his second season, we're seeing him create

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more off the bounce, serve more
as a primary initiator for offense, whether

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in Sacramento or Indiana. The passing
skills look even better. But like the

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track record that that SGA has already
shown, admittedly for a tanking thunder team

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like that, the three point shot
hasn't been there yet, but the self

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creation skill has the ability to improve
those around him, and to do that

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while he's the subject of an inordinate
amount of defensive attention on a nightly basis,

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because who else needs to be featured
on that scouting report for the last

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few years. So at the time
that we're recording this, you know,

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he's still averaging twenty four point four
points, five point zero rebounds, five

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point nine assistant. Granted, like
the efficiency isn't quite there, but only

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as a shooter. He doesn't turn
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He fills up I said decent.
He fills a super high volume offensive

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role. I think he's kind of
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road, and we've seen that go
south so many times. I'm not saying

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it will for Halliburton, but when
you have a player who's the aspiration is

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for him to turn into the other
player, go with the other player,

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especially when they're still only twenty three, I would agree that it's Shay here,

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but as you were talking, thinking
about it more, it's probably a

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closer line than I. It's close
Haliburton. I think the swing difference here

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would be. Look, Shay's efficiencies
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he is just entirely responsible for all
of his own books basically still, and

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I'm curious to see maybe that's the
role he always has an Okay, see

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fine, but like give him better
spacing to work with at least then and

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I think those percentages go up.
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has has been better as a one
on one score than I thought that he

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would. Like. There's just as
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in your face because you know he
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a disarming subtlety to Haliburton's on ball
game. And if he starts hitting off

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the dribble triples or serving as more
of like and we've seen it from what

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I've watched anyway of the Pacers with
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So it's really not out of the
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chance he ends up being the better
defender, but Shay should be the better

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defender. He should be, I
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it's he's just been like saddled with
this monstrous offensive role. Even with Josh

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Giddy there, I would still take
Shay. It's just he's more established at

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this point and the level of difficulty
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Sacramento Thyris Aliberton or Indiana Tyrres Alibert, it's been just so much greater.

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And to have the numbers and efficiency
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important Okasey's offense as as he is, I think it has to be him

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at the home, but man,
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my other one was unless you have
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kind of do but go for your
other one first. I had Maxi or

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Haliburton, and maybe I'm just drawn
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the same draft class. I think
the question gets harder to answer now that

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Maxy's the third option in Philly when
they're at first strength, But looking at

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what Maxi did before Harden got there
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all over the place. If you
actually believe in tires Maxie, it feels

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like a real conversation because I think
his defense is almost underrated, like the

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energy with which he plays there and
how in your face he can be where

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Haliburton is really solid and he'll make
plays away from like Maxie feels like the

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guy eventually he's not big enough to
do this, but like, go defend

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whatever guard and it could be the
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handle it. And that's there's real
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or Shakilch's Axander profiles that type of
player at their peak. I don't know

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that I'm there yet with Maxie to
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still high on his upside, but
just exponentially higher with Haliburton. I

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think my last point here, and
this will also apply to basically all of

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these comparisons. This is the time
of the year where I spend way too

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much of my free time looking at
fantasy baseball projections and trying to prepare for

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drafts. And I think there's a
common misconception with projection systems that people are

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trying to pinpoint the exact number that
a player is going to have, whether

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it's home runs or stolen bases or
batting average. Now it's actually like they're

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trying to project project the most likely
outcome. And there are certain projection systems

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like ATC that are sophisticated enough that
they can look at ranges of outcomes,

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assign likelihoods to them, and then
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So that's relevant here because I'm operating
under the most likely outcome, so to

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me, seventy percent of the outcomes
are going to be SGA has a better

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career than Haliburton. But if you
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would say that Haliburton's potential peak like
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So the most likely outcome is not
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And I think that's that's a big
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on SGA as the most likely better
career because of the level to which he's

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already ascended. If you asked me
who has a chance to have the best

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career if everything goes right, I'm
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I think, so wow, I
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easily still go Halibert and over Maxim. That's an easier one. That would

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have been a better question, and
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it wasn't that one wasn't listeners.
It would have been better like pre

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James harden trade, just based off
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This one comes from Jay Dobbs ninety
four. Franz Wagner or Scotty Barnes.

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Who who you got? Who is
the highest ceiling? I don't I have

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one for Franz Wagner. I'm not
putting him. The Raptors are running their

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crunch time offense through Scottie Barnes right
now. That is a thing that is

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actually happening, and he's probably still
better on defense than offense. I don't

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know. I don't know. Man, the passing, he's shown his ability

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to get through guys and the touch
in it's getting closer. I think I'd

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still take the defensive versatility that he
has, and that's to say that I

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think this is still an easy answer. Vagger has had a tremendous rookie season,

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one that would land him in the
Rookie of the Year conversation almost any

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season. And it's not his fault
that he happens to be a first year

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player at the same time as these
three other generational feeling players. So he

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is the most consistent scorer of this
rookie class. He stayed healthy. He's

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also operated with a lot less pressure
in an Orlando system that isn't as heavily

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reliant on him, that isn't getting
the best that an opponent has to offer

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every night. He's flying a little
below the radar. He deserves a ton

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of credit. You should be super
excited about his potential. He's going to

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be an all star conversations down the
road. But Scotty Barnes, like we've

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talked about it on previous episodes,
it feels like the ceiling is unfathomable because

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of the two way ability. And
that's not to say that Wagner is just

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a horrific defender, but Barnes is
an all defensive caliber defender down the road.

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So it's it's like, it doesn't
feel premature to me, at least

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to say that Barnes could factor into
the best player in the world conversation one

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day. And I just I don't
see that with with with Wagner, even

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if he's obviously very good. So
let's break this up and we'll start with

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Wagner. I had this one.
I don't. I think people might feel

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like it's an egregious insult on behalf
of Wagner, and I actually don't.

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But who you got for their careers
their outcomes? Friends, Wagner or Denny

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avia pretty easily Wagner at this point. Oh wow. I might take av

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the defensive versatility that we've seen from
a walk, and I just don't think

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they've tapped into his offensive potential yet. And that's the thing I wonder if

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it's as high as we think that's
that's that might be the discrepancy here,

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because Washington has had no excuse to
not try to tease more of it out,

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and it just hasn't happened fair I
guess, just for someone who's a

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sophomore and has come along so much
defensively, it feels like some of the

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other stuff. I mean, there's
like a real physicality and touch to his

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game when he can get inside the
arc and is moving downhill, and my

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friends, Vogner is shown more on
the ball. That's I think. I

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think there's a realistic scenario in which
Advia never has an offensive season as good

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as the one Wagner's having right now. Oh wow, I'll blame that on

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the Wizards if that ends up happening, am And And that's that's not even

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an insult to Advia necessarily, Like
Vagner has been that good offensively as a

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rookie. Yeah, I don't know. I guess I respect any obvious defense

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a little bit too much here and
think that he's being underutilized on offense still,

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But the point of his still sort
of being underutilized post Spencer Dinwitty,

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post Bradley Beale's injury, that's certainly
a concern there, But I guess I'm

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looking at the growth as a defender. Feel like that was a harder jump

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to make than Franz Wagner coming in
and playing like perfect number two or number

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three style basketball, where the pressure
is just not on like you said the

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press, like you have Wendell Carter
Junior. There you have Jail and Songs.

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Those two are at least higher in
the pecking order than he is.

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Immediately Obvia is of course not at
top of mind in Washington's pecking order,

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but his. It's well point out. I would have friends Wagner probably third

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or fourth in my Rookie of the
Year voting right now. So I'm not

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anti Franz Wagner in that discussion,
but I think it's closer than your immediate

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answer would imply. That's fair.
The other breaking up this would be Scottie

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Barnes versus Kay Cunningham versus Emmon Mobley, who you got. I feel like

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I spend ed lee least five minutes
a day thinking about this right now.

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I don't even know. Like there
I wrote about this recently where it's like,

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I feel like Rookie of the Year
is almost irrelevant this season because we

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should just be so universally excited about
their futures in different ways, and it's

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so exceedingly rare to have three first
year players who you legitimately feel could enter

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that best player in the world conversation
you know, mobili because he can do

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everything on defense, and I would
argue that he's been the defensive lynchpin of

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the Cleveland Cavaliers unit. Even if
Jared Allen tends to get a little bit

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more recognition, he also has that
I don't know if you want to call

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it LaMarcus Aldridge style offense. Sometimes
like sometimes it even looks like a little

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Kevin durantish as Lawtia comparison as that
can be. It feels more Kevin Garnett

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meets Kevin Durrayant than anything LaMarcus Aldridge
ever did. To be honest with you,

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there's like there, I get that
they could probably because I don't see

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really LaMarcus Aldrigs and him at all. Yeah, it's more like the shot

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selection than the esthetics. I think. Okay, but that yeah, I

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mean, Barnes, we already talked
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as well the defensive versatility from a
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passer and then Kid Cunningham like talk
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is the hardest role to fill.
So I think because of that, even

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though he will not be as good
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think Cunningham has done enough in the
second half of the season as the unquestioned

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engine of a suddenly competitive Pistons team
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then Mobley is my number two.
And I hate that I have to put

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Barnes at number three, but someone
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so I would have Kade at number
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know they're games aren't similar, but
the control he has and even his defensive

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potential. But I don't think Chris
Paul has all defense selections. I don't

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think kay Conaham's gonna get there.
I sometimes wonder this watching him is like

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what if Chris Paul was six nine. That's the type of the feeling I've

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had too. I was I was
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I'm glad you did instead of me, and now I can just agree with

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you. It's not rooted in the
functionality of his game per se. It's

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just he has the these entire defenses
on the string. It feels like he

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forges instant chemistry with like Marvin Bagley
comes in there and then Kaid's already connecting

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on him with lobs like right off
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Marvin Bagley's I don't have who he
got from Marvin Bagleyhams because he'd be better

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than everyone, So I have him
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springing to mind is just like it, and he looked. He starts off

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the season injured. He's on the
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I know people have like kind of
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is perked up like ever since he
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just hitting over fifty percent of his
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He's not taken easy as threes.
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what I will say that if you
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that he is more easily integrated alongside
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or I think Scottie Barnes will end
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And there are things you can do
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and we've shown that Barnes, but
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Kde is the guy not on the
Steph level where he elevates everyone around him

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can play with anyone, but he
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don't know that on offense. I
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about Mobili or Barnes long term.
So I have Kade, this is Evan

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Mobley is my rookie, and this
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it's a fair question against all three, but it feels like Mobile versus Barnes

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is the actual discussion. I have
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is like. It's been baptism by
fire on offensive late and I kind of

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love it. But there is there's
a lot more of Mobile to plumb on

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the office, like he can the
way he can move with the ball in

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his hands on offense. Still,
it wouldn't shock me if this ends up

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being a terrible take. And the
fact that he's already sort of a defensive

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anchor or no worse than the second
most important defensive player. I still think

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he's the most important when you look
at them, not just the number of

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shots he's contesting, but just like
the spectrum of assignments that he has,

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it's wild I would go Barnes.
I think the offensive ceiling is higher there

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for him. That being said is
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here, but for them it could
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might have to be a little bit
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be on defense, it kind of
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like perimeter game. It doesn't have
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but who's going to We've seen stretches
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threes, but I think ever sustainable
Mobiley is going to have that range.

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It might like the margins here,
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to something like that. Even if
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it comes down to, that's how
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Yeah, it's I still think the
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the role that he can fill on
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thin. I do think again,
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scenario, I think Mobiley pulls well
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that ninety nine percentile outcome where I
can see a future in which he has

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a scoring title and a Defensive Player
of the Year, I don't know that

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I can see that for Barnes.
I can't for Barnes, but I can't.

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I can't see that. I can
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I can't see mobiles. Oh see, I'm actually the opposite way where I

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can see Barn's getting Defensive Player of
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see him winning a scoring title.
Wow, I mean, I mean,

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And that says a lot around with
That says a lot right there, that

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like we're both we're airing on the
on like winning different major awards like that.

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That says more than maybe anything else
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fucking good these guys are. Let's
get to his team one from JT Alexander.

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If this Clippers team and their stars
can stay healthy, who are you

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choosing to win more championships over the
next three seasons? The Clippers or the

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field? Who you got? It's
always the field. It is always the

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field. It's always the field.
If you let's say they're all healthy and

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they stay together, the Clippers versus
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Right, you got that's what you
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could do that with a number of
different teams, and that's why you take

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the field. No, I'm asking
you Clippers versus Nets. That is the

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actual one. I know, I
know, I know. But to the

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actual question, I mean, I'm
still taking the Nets like that if if

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we're also assuming health there, and
we're assuming that Kyrie Irving is allowed to

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play basketball, that is a big
ass assumption. But yeah, go ahead.

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I mean, the vaccine mandates are
not going to be in place forever.

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Right. I would pick the Clippers, though, And there's that team

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feels more dynamic where you're looking at
the construction of this roster. I don't

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think Ben Simmons is going to be
as clean of a fit on offense as

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people think. And I'm throwing injuries
out of the equation. Here. You

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have wings galore on this Clippers team
where they can still play big. They

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have Zubots, they have Hartenstegn.
But you can put like between Nick Batoum

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and a mere coffee. They just
have all these dudes that are between six

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six and sixty nine. It can
play whatever. But are we are we

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comparing a forty year old Nick Batoum
and a mere coffee to Ben Simmons.

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Okay, but they also have Marcus
Morris, there's that team of Reggie Jackson,

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they have Terrence Man plus a healthy
Paul Georgian. Right, there's I

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mean, there's there's more depth for
sure, but like still what they haven't

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read awesome? Kyrie Irving and Ben
Simmons they do fit together, okay on

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both ends. They don't on offense. The Simmons versus with Durant and Kyrie,

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like we have to get away from
just assuming it's gonna work. Ben

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Simmons, fine, we've seen him
hanging out with the Dunkers, have not

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lost the game together yet, But
is he gonna be okay in that role

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full time? Or if people talk
about using him as the screener? News

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flash, it rarely happened in Philly, and when it did, the results

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weren't great. I'm inclined not to
necessarily read or take away anything from it

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because of how small sample it was, but I'm not willing to just say

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that it's a given he's an offensive
fit there, and then you move on

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to the rest of the roster.
There's just no wings. Oh the rest

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of the roster is not comfortable.
But like we're also I would assume that

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those rosters are going to change over
the next few years as well. Are

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we just assuming they have the same
exact roster? Because when I when I

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hear these questions, I'm thinking,
like, oh, they have draft picks

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space. Here's a better question.
Clippers front office or Brooklyn Nets front office?

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Who you got? YEA? Definitely, definitely the Clippers. Definitely the

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Clippers front office. Absolutely, the
Nets front office has just laid down and

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completely lost control of that team.
It feels like, which I would acquiesced

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to whatever Kevin Durant wanted, that
he is one of the ten greatest basketball

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players all time, I get it, but they have not been particularly creative,

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and look, Camp, we need
we need to do that discussion at

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some point because it feels like there
are enough top ten candidates playing right now

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that we need to like reevaluate that
tier because just throwing out top ten and

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I'm not criticizing you here, like
just throwing out top ten when like,

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now we have to factor in Katie
and Steph Curry and Lebron that's like and

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Lebron, but I mean Lebron been
in it for a while, Like that's

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just that's obviously obviously. But like
I mean, Janis is on pace to

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be in that club, like he's
not there yet. That'd be a good

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offseason pod A. Yeah, I
have a follow up to this. Who

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you got though, healthy Clippers,
healthy Nuggets the next three years? Who

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you got? Oh, definitely the
Nuggets there. I don't think that one's

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even close. I don't. I
mean, Yokich is the best player of

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the bunch by a significant margin.
So you think then, I am fully

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of the belief that Michael Porter Junior's
early season struggles were due to the injury

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that has since kept him out.
I do think that the player we saw

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last season is much more akin to
what we're going to see moving forward.

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Jamal Murray was on an all star
trajectory. There's a ton of depth there.

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There's there's just a lot to like
about that Nuggets team. Let me

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phrase it this way. Then everything
kicked in injury risk and everything Nuggets versus

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Clippers. Does that change it at
all? It does change it. I'm

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not I'm not worried about Jamal Murray
long term, just because we've seen players

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tear that they matter. Let's make
that clear, but they're not. They

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matter, but they're not career enders
or anything like that at this point.

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They're not indicative of future injury woes
or anything. MPJ. That conversation is

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different. But I don't trust either
Kauai or Paul George to stay healthy.

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So I think given Yokaja status as
this iron Man now where he only sits

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out because the team asked him to, and he's been better about accepting some

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more limitations this year, we've seen
no injury concerns whatsoever. His game should

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continue to get better. There's no
part of his game that should decline with

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age. I don't see any reason
to pick against him right now. Yeah,

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okay, that's I think. I
take nuggets in both ways too.

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But if you remove the Porter Jr. I thought, this is the extent

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to which I consider it. I
don't think it's a fair one. But

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all the factors involved that thought about
doing an RJ. Barrett or Michael Porter

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Jr. Who you got and that's
because of mpj's health, and I think

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I would I view as RJ seiling
as a playmaker and defender versus mpj's I

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think it's an actual discussion, but
it feels a little unfair because Michael Porter

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junior peak has still been way higher
than RJ. Barrett's best ten game straight

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you could use the ten game rolling
rating. Maybe I'm just seeing you know

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lies here, but I would argue, like Michael Porter Junior's ten game peak

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on offense is way higher than RJ. Barrett's like best ten game peak.

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So let's I thought, if you
want a vampire, I can. I

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can figure that out. The shout
out to Luke J thirty seven, by

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the way, he had Evan Mobile
or Scotty Barnes long term, I did

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not see that when we said it, so we had, uh the question

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that we pose. I think you
throw Kaid in there too, but the

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Mobile, Barnes, and maybe some
people might just think all three of those

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guys had best player in the league
potential, I think is what they've flashed.

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I would say I'm picking Barnes even
thinking or even knowing that Evan Mobley

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is sort of has the higher end
outcome, Like you said, the ninetieth

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percentile outcome for Evan Mobley feels like
it'd be better than Barnes. But for

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everything Barnes does on offense, it
feels like he's more he would be more

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likely to reach his peak and sustain
it. I could just be way off

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there. That's going to be a
fascinating discussion until the end of time,

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though, is going to be.
So to answer your question, why is

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this happening, I'm struggling to find
Barretts right now for some reason. But

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Michael Porter Junior peaked with a ten
game rolling player rating of twenty point seven

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one three, which is the three
hundred and seventy seventh highest peak in NBA

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history. That's not in substantial when
you consider how many good place is absolutely

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not insubstantial. And I'm trying to
figure out our j Barrett because I have

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like some weird formula thing happening here
and my computer is being slow. So

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I will get back to you on
that one in a second. So we

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have another one from listeners. Sid
disc asks some love to DeAndre Ayton,

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question mark and how why teams can't
plan against him or play him off the

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floor Alla Rudy Gobert or some other
traditional bigs. So this essentially seems like

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a who you got in the playoffs, DeAndre Ayton or Rudy Gobert. I

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mean, I'm still going with Gobert, so am I and I do think

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defensively, if you want to play
DeAndre Eton up higher, you can.

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I think that's also a luxury.
It is a testament to what DeAndre can

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do. I want to make that
clear. It's also a luxury of having

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both Jay Crowder and Michael Bridges and
even Chris Paul like he's not going to

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be helping out in the back line, but you give Rudy Gobert. I

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mean, he already had Jay Crowder
for a minute, but you give him

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both Jay Crowder and Michael Bridges on
the team, or even just Michael Bridges

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because they already have Royce O'Neill.
I think the context of Utah's defense and

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Rudy Gobert's resume, which is unfairly
harshly judged relative to what's happened in the

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postseason, I'm still taking Rudy Gobert. Now, if you want to have

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conversations with Eton about like, you
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used. You know this one of
the questions I have was DeAndre ayten or

401
00:29:22,359 --> 00:29:26,319
depends on the question, was who
you got Jaren Jackson Junior or DeAndre Eten.

402
00:29:27,319 --> 00:29:30,079
I think that's a better one.
I'm still going with Aiden here.

403
00:29:33,559 --> 00:29:37,759
I forget who says it on Twitter, but like maybe multiple people have at

404
00:29:37,759 --> 00:29:41,279
this point, I don't know that
anyone is better at just using their size

405
00:29:41,920 --> 00:29:45,319
in the NBA. Like, if
you throw a small lineup at DeAndre Ayden,

406
00:29:47,000 --> 00:29:49,519
he is going to take advantage of
that. If you don't, he's

407
00:29:49,640 --> 00:29:55,880
more capable of just filling a smaller
role alongside the sun Stars. But the

408
00:29:55,920 --> 00:30:00,680
defensive growth that he's shown, the
understanding of his role in his own limitations,

409
00:30:00,720 --> 00:30:03,839
is really impressive. I think that
Jackson for all the three point shooting,

410
00:30:03,880 --> 00:30:07,160
prowess, for all the shop blocking, and he has a legitimate case

411
00:30:07,240 --> 00:30:11,680
to be in the conversation for defensive
Player of the Year. There are some

412
00:30:11,799 --> 00:30:15,079
games where he calls his own number
a bit too frequently and can kind of

413
00:30:15,480 --> 00:30:19,079
hinder his own team rather than help
it. I don't see that from Aiden,

414
00:30:19,440 --> 00:30:26,039
so especially in a playoffs scenario where
schematic adjustments within the course of a

415
00:30:26,119 --> 00:30:29,799
series are so important, I think
that I would count on eighton a little

416
00:30:29,839 --> 00:30:34,200
bit more. I didn't go like
that wasn't one. The actual one I

417
00:30:34,240 --> 00:30:40,119
have is who you got, Jaron
Jackson Junior or John Collins. I'm going

418
00:30:40,119 --> 00:30:44,599
with Jaron Jackson Jr. At this
point, I'm I don't trust Collins's health.

419
00:30:45,319 --> 00:30:48,400
Oh, because Jaron Jackson Junior has
been a beacon of good health before

420
00:30:48,440 --> 00:30:53,160
this season. You didn't let me
finish, which means that I am now

421
00:30:53,160 --> 00:30:57,559
evaluating just purely on upside and Collins, for all that he does on offense,

422
00:30:57,640 --> 00:31:02,720
just as this tremendous pick and roll, pick and pop option, it's

423
00:31:02,759 --> 00:31:08,359
not there on defense. I think
I'm with you, but I do feel

424
00:31:08,359 --> 00:31:11,559
like John healthy. John Collins,
who by the way is out definitely as

425
00:31:11,559 --> 00:31:15,160
we record this that's a bummer,
is so underrated on offense, and he's

426
00:31:15,160 --> 00:31:18,400
been a little bit better on evens
than people expect. I think Jaren Jackson

427
00:31:18,440 --> 00:31:23,240
Junior's offense is comparable, and he
probably does has the freedom to do a

428
00:31:23,240 --> 00:31:26,240
little bit more on the ball.
I would call Collins the better offensive player,

429
00:31:26,240 --> 00:31:29,799
but Jaron Jackson Junior is probably gonna
make an All the Defense team this

430
00:31:29,880 --> 00:31:33,640
year, come close to it.
Yes to circle back roll fast the RJ

431
00:31:33,759 --> 00:31:37,440
Barrett thing because I do have the
number now, so again, Porter peaked

432
00:31:37,559 --> 00:31:42,799
at twenty point seven one three.
RJ. Barrett's peak and rolling Player rating

433
00:31:42,839 --> 00:31:48,000
has been seventeen point five seven seven. The fun thing about that, though,

434
00:31:48,160 --> 00:31:52,880
is that the peak is right now. It's a look if you I'm

435
00:31:52,880 --> 00:31:57,440
just gonna pose it to you with
everything on the table, Michael Porter Junior,

436
00:31:57,519 --> 00:32:00,240
RJ. Barrett, who you got? I think you have to go

437
00:32:00,279 --> 00:32:07,680
with Barrett because the injuries from Porter
are just so immensely concerning. You know,

438
00:32:07,680 --> 00:32:13,400
we're not talking about a you know, a leg buckling. We're talking

439
00:32:13,440 --> 00:32:16,839
about consistent back issues, back issues
that drove his stock down, that caused

440
00:32:16,920 --> 00:32:22,559
him to miss an entire season that
are now rearing up once again. Those

441
00:32:22,599 --> 00:32:28,279
are immensely concerning. If he does
get healthy, the sky is the limit.

442
00:32:28,640 --> 00:32:31,359
But it's a big if because we
don't know how long he's gonna stay

443
00:32:31,400 --> 00:32:37,240
healthy, So you have to have
that in the back of your mind at

444
00:32:37,319 --> 00:32:42,599
every part of the analysis. I'm
glad I'm not too homery here because I

445
00:32:42,680 --> 00:32:44,759
had RJ. Barrett as well,
which is why didn't want to pose the

446
00:32:44,839 --> 00:32:46,000
question, because I thought it would
be too much a coward to say it,

447
00:32:46,079 --> 00:32:50,119
but I don't know, and maybe
it's because Porter Junior's ever put in

448
00:32:50,160 --> 00:32:52,160
the situation, but I think we
even saw it in the playoffs last year.

449
00:32:52,599 --> 00:32:58,480
RJ. Barrett is ready to play
a role on the ball where he's

450
00:32:58,519 --> 00:33:00,759
not as efficient, but I think
is going to be a much better playmaker

451
00:33:00,759 --> 00:33:04,640
there at some point. We've already
seen his ability to get to the rim

452
00:33:04,680 --> 00:33:07,599
over this past you know, twenty
thirty games, stretch, whatever it's been

453
00:33:07,720 --> 00:33:12,960
for him since he started attacking consistently, and he's already just been worlds better

454
00:33:13,000 --> 00:33:15,599
on defense. I think he's probably
not been as good this year as he

455
00:33:15,680 --> 00:33:17,720
was last year, but there's been
a lot of things wrong with the Knicks

456
00:33:17,759 --> 00:33:22,440
this year, and I do still
feel like he's someone that you can say,

457
00:33:22,960 --> 00:33:25,559
go guard the second best player on
the team if he's going to be

458
00:33:25,599 --> 00:33:30,440
the two, three and maybe even
the four, and just his awareness off

459
00:33:30,480 --> 00:33:31,960
the ball, and a lot of
this is coming from last season. I'll

460
00:33:32,519 --> 00:33:37,920
say that I don't know that Michael
for June is actually basing this off nothing

461
00:33:37,960 --> 00:33:40,240
from this season that we saw from
him. His off ball defense has gotten

462
00:33:40,440 --> 00:33:44,319
a lot better, to the extent
that he will play make on defense.

463
00:33:44,359 --> 00:33:47,559
It's probably not consistent. It's not
a constant, but there's that. I

464
00:33:47,640 --> 00:33:52,119
also wonder, though, how does
this back stuff affect him on mat and

465
00:33:52,279 --> 00:33:54,599
like there is a there's an outcome
where maybe this always crops up a little

466
00:33:54,599 --> 00:33:59,279
bit, but he's still an offensive
superstar because the way that he can shoot,

467
00:33:59,279 --> 00:34:00,680
and maybe it's not off the dribble, but the way that he can

468
00:34:00,759 --> 00:34:05,880
kind of move away from the ball
and just get looks off over anybody.

469
00:34:06,119 --> 00:34:09,280
How does this impact him defensively long
term if the backstuff continues to crop up,

470
00:34:10,320 --> 00:34:14,280
Probably not well. The other thing
I will say is we need to

471
00:34:14,360 --> 00:34:17,639
get a scan on the amount of
cartilage that RJ. Barrett has left in

472
00:34:17,719 --> 00:34:22,039
him, just because he has played
almost two full seasons for tips. That's

473
00:34:22,039 --> 00:34:24,119
something we do And that was my
next question, was you got Tibbs or

474
00:34:24,199 --> 00:34:28,360
anyone else as the New York Knicks
head coach. We're moving on. I

475
00:34:28,400 --> 00:34:30,360
don't think he's fully to blame for
everything that's happening there, but to say

476
00:34:30,400 --> 00:34:36,719
that his job should be secure is
blasphemous and I think if anything, it

477
00:34:36,760 --> 00:34:39,920
just implies that you're not good still. You're continuing to not place enough stock

478
00:34:39,960 --> 00:34:44,360
in the youth in the Rocks,
and that's totally fair because ninety eight percent

479
00:34:44,400 --> 00:34:46,079
to blame is not the same as
fully to blame. I still love and

480
00:34:46,119 --> 00:34:50,159
I mentioned this. I think I've
mentioned this on like consecutive podcast now.

481
00:34:50,519 --> 00:34:53,320
I love that he came out and
said the Knicks play young guys more than

482
00:34:53,360 --> 00:34:59,440
anyone else, even over the last
few weeks. That's still categorically untrue,

483
00:35:00,199 --> 00:35:05,159
absolute inanity for him to say that. I don't know if you can open

484
00:35:05,239 --> 00:35:08,719
discord because we have a one from
Darkwing Duck and it feels like the question

485
00:35:08,800 --> 00:35:13,280
was made for you to read because
I'm having trouble processing it. But I

486
00:35:13,320 --> 00:35:16,719
have another one to stick with Grizzlies
and Hawks here, Trey Young or John

487
00:35:16,719 --> 00:35:22,239
Moran? Who you got? Why
are you doing this to me? That's

488
00:35:22,280 --> 00:35:30,559
my answer? Pass with so much
reluctance, I think I have to go

489
00:35:30,599 --> 00:35:37,639
with Jahn Moran because as flammable as
Trey Young, as as on offensive,

490
00:35:37,679 --> 00:35:44,320
one of the few players who can
justifiably be called an offensive system unto himself,

491
00:35:45,440 --> 00:35:52,519
and I've I've been a strong supporter
of the idea that his defense or

492
00:35:52,639 --> 00:36:00,079
complete lack thereof it, does not
mean that he is not a current fringe

493
00:36:00,159 --> 00:36:05,000
MVP candidate, like we're talking way
back of the ballot or a future one,

494
00:36:05,079 --> 00:36:08,880
because what he does on offense is
so ridiculously vital, and a healthy

495
00:36:08,880 --> 00:36:14,280
Hawks team was at least theoretically supposed
to be built to cover up for some

496
00:36:14,320 --> 00:36:16,639
of those flaws, play into them
in a way that he can at least

497
00:36:16,960 --> 00:36:22,400
gamble for steals and whatnot, and
that just hasn't happened. But those defensive

498
00:36:22,440 --> 00:36:27,519
concerns and the need to plan around
them do still exist in a way that

499
00:36:27,559 --> 00:36:32,280
they don't for John Moran. So
we're seeing this season what a Morant led

500
00:36:32,320 --> 00:36:37,920
team could do. And granted that
supporting cast in Memphis is utterly ridiculous.

501
00:36:37,920 --> 00:36:39,719
Just the amount of depth, the
amount of talent, the amount of upside,

502
00:36:40,079 --> 00:36:45,719
it is unfathomable and should make every
other team envious, almost every other

503
00:36:45,719 --> 00:36:52,960
team, I suppose. But he's
also feeling that lead offensive role with a

504
00:36:52,039 --> 00:36:57,559
plot. I mean, he is
a dominant, aggressive scorer, he's a

505
00:36:57,599 --> 00:37:01,519
really good passer is he is good
at those things as Trey Young is probably

506
00:37:01,599 --> 00:37:07,599
not. But he's also not nearly
as bad a defender, and that probably

507
00:37:07,679 --> 00:37:13,679
does matter when we're splitting hairs in
a conversation about two people who should be

508
00:37:13,800 --> 00:37:17,159
mainstays in the end in the MVP
conversation for the better part of the next

509
00:37:17,199 --> 00:37:23,519
decade. So it's one of those
where it's it's so tough because Tray can

510
00:37:23,599 --> 00:37:29,760
win any game by himself. We've
seen him be able to win playoff series

511
00:37:29,760 --> 00:37:31,760
by himself. Moran hasn't done that
yet. He'll get a chance to do

512
00:37:31,880 --> 00:37:37,639
this postseason. But if you're looking
to build a team around one of these

513
00:37:37,679 --> 00:37:43,000
two guys are, even in their
current situations, I think that the positives

514
00:37:43,000 --> 00:37:50,559
outweigh the negatives more strongly. With
John Moran, I struggled on how when

515
00:37:50,599 --> 00:37:52,760
I was thinking about this one,
I struggled on how to sort of factor

516
00:37:52,840 --> 00:37:58,159
in leadership and selflessness because I don't
I'm not saying Trey Young is a bad

517
00:37:58,239 --> 00:38:02,519
leader, but there's like a very
infectious demeanor about the way John Morant plays

518
00:38:02,880 --> 00:38:07,679
and acts away from the court that
joy can of course manifest just because you're

519
00:38:07,679 --> 00:38:10,000
winning. It's much tougher to maintain
that. But he feels like a dude

520
00:38:10,360 --> 00:38:15,000
that players are gonna want to play
with all the time. I'm not sure

521
00:38:15,000 --> 00:38:17,159
if Trey Young is that person because
he's so ball dominant that being said,

522
00:38:17,519 --> 00:38:22,719
my actual pick is Trey Young because
I haven't seen John Morant be able to

523
00:38:22,840 --> 00:38:25,519
and his team is deeper, maybe
not as much or clearly not as much

524
00:38:25,559 --> 00:38:29,320
offensive talent, but like the Grizzlies
half court offense, if they're not in

525
00:38:29,360 --> 00:38:31,639
transition or cleaning up their own missus, like they have real questions, that's

526
00:38:31,639 --> 00:38:36,920
not on John Morant. But Trey
Young can take the crimpiest of lineups and

527
00:38:37,039 --> 00:38:39,960
uplift them into this incredible half court
offense. I think that becomes way more

528
00:38:40,039 --> 00:38:45,320
valuable in the postseason. And that's
why I would pick Trey Young. Well,

529
00:38:45,400 --> 00:38:47,679
it's close for me, but that
is the primary reason why. And

530
00:38:47,719 --> 00:38:52,360
I'm not saying John Morant can't get
to that level, but there is just

531
00:38:52,400 --> 00:38:57,360
a dynamic to Trey Young's game when
you're looking at the havoc he even creates

532
00:38:57,440 --> 00:39:01,039
inside the arc, but also off
the dribble threes and I what I also

533
00:39:01,119 --> 00:39:05,239
think is a part of his game
we haven't seen. I don't know if

534
00:39:05,239 --> 00:39:07,480
it's a coaching or a personnel thing
to this point, probably a combination of

535
00:39:07,480 --> 00:39:13,960
both. There is a reality where
you can get Trey Young moving away off

536
00:39:13,960 --> 00:39:15,599
the ball. It's like you can. Yes, if you put him off

537
00:39:15,639 --> 00:39:20,480
the ball, it does give you
someone to stash on him. But like

538
00:39:20,519 --> 00:39:22,480
if you just get him moving,
find a way to put him in off

539
00:39:22,480 --> 00:39:24,760
ball actions. No, you don't
want Trey Young being your screener, but

540
00:39:24,800 --> 00:39:29,599
can you set screens for Trey Young
to come off of when he doesn't have

541
00:39:29,599 --> 00:39:32,760
the ball. I don't know that
John Morant is ever gonna profile. Maybe

542
00:39:32,760 --> 00:39:36,320
he's a cutter, but like as
a distant shooter or to put pressure on

543
00:39:36,320 --> 00:39:40,119
the defense from that way, I
respect, not respect, because I respect

544
00:39:40,159 --> 00:39:45,639
the hell to John Morant. I
think I value Trey Young's offense more than

545
00:39:45,679 --> 00:39:50,800
I value what he's giving you giving
back on defense to where it's easier.

546
00:39:50,800 --> 00:39:55,119
If Rand's gotten better with that defensively
this season, especially when he came back

547
00:39:55,159 --> 00:40:00,800
after his ankle injured or news bring
whatever it was. So it's close and

548
00:40:00,920 --> 00:40:04,920
John Morant I wouldn't have put him
in this conversation before the season. Definitely

549
00:40:04,960 --> 00:40:08,039
not about this. They should at
least consider the fact John Rand has worked

550
00:40:08,079 --> 00:40:12,079
in way, or the fact that
right now you have to pick John Ran

551
00:40:12,199 --> 00:40:14,920
over Zion Williamson. That wasn't even
know who you got at this point for

552
00:40:15,000 --> 00:40:16,599
us because it's just like it has
to be a job. So the other

553
00:40:16,599 --> 00:40:21,239
thing here is that this is a
long term conversation, and I think that

554
00:40:21,280 --> 00:40:27,159
they're at fairly comparable levels at the
moment, and that means that I'm thinking

555
00:40:27,199 --> 00:40:30,440
about how much more rumorous for growth, how much better is Trey Young going

556
00:40:30,480 --> 00:40:36,039
to get? I think what the
Hawks are hoping for is you see more

557
00:40:36,119 --> 00:40:42,119
of the scene, Like he's probably
not going to suddenly become an even better

558
00:40:42,320 --> 00:40:45,800
three point shooter. He's already one
of the best pastors in the league.

559
00:40:45,840 --> 00:40:50,840
He does not have the physical skill
set to be even a decent defender,

560
00:40:51,079 --> 00:40:52,679
So maybe he gets a little smarter
on that end. Down the road,

561
00:40:52,760 --> 00:40:58,000
he learns how to use some veteran
tricks and become somewhat better on the defensive

562
00:40:58,079 --> 00:41:01,440
end. With John Morant, I
feel like there's a path to so much

563
00:41:01,519 --> 00:41:07,679
more than we're already seeing, because
he does have the tools to become an

564
00:41:07,679 --> 00:41:12,599
impact defender, and we so often
see that that lags behind the offensive growth

565
00:41:12,639 --> 00:41:16,360
because that first season of being the
unquestioned centerpiece of everything that happens on offense

566
00:41:16,760 --> 00:41:22,039
requires such an extreme energy expenditure that
you can't also grow on defense as you

567
00:41:22,119 --> 00:41:28,000
become more accustomed to filling that role. You see the subsequent gains on the

568
00:41:28,000 --> 00:41:31,280
preventing end. He's shooting thirty four
percent from three, but he's a good

569
00:41:31,320 --> 00:41:36,960
free throw shooter. The form is
there. It seems reasonable to assume that

570
00:41:37,079 --> 00:41:40,639
he might not become that off the
dribble three point shooter Trey Young, Steph

571
00:41:40,719 --> 00:41:45,440
Curry, Damian Lillard are, but
that he could be a thirty eight percent

572
00:41:45,559 --> 00:41:50,360
three point shooter taking four to five
attempts per game. So I see more

573
00:41:50,480 --> 00:41:54,119
room for growth beyond this current level
from John Morant than I do Trey Young.

574
00:41:58,119 --> 00:42:01,599
So that's interesting. It's funny that
I'm higher on Trey Young in this

575
00:42:01,639 --> 00:42:05,800
situation than you are. That's hysterical. I think it's close. It's a

576
00:42:05,800 --> 00:42:07,599
fair question to have. It is
a fair question. So I'll get to

577
00:42:07,599 --> 00:42:10,159
the dark wing Duck one. Since
I'll be honest, I don't I don't

578
00:42:10,159 --> 00:42:15,400
get the question either, all right, dark wing Duck. We need clarification.

579
00:42:16,079 --> 00:42:20,519
Yeah, if you hear this,
you need clarification on it. I

580
00:42:20,559 --> 00:42:22,239
did look up to make sure that
I could pronounce one of the names correctly

581
00:42:22,320 --> 00:42:25,119
though that he said, because I
knew I would suck it. Up,

582
00:42:25,400 --> 00:42:28,679
but I do know how to pronounce
it correctly now. I just the question

583
00:42:28,760 --> 00:42:31,760
was tough for me to synthesize.
Here's one that I don't know if it

584
00:42:31,960 --> 00:42:37,320
like if people would even care.
But who you got, Herb Jones or

585
00:42:37,360 --> 00:42:43,320
Matiste Tybel. I'll take herb Jones
just because he can do more. There's

586
00:42:43,440 --> 00:42:45,159
there's the elements he can do more
on offense and the other thing I think,

587
00:42:45,800 --> 00:42:50,440
and I don't know if I'm right
here, but like Herb Jones is

588
00:42:50,480 --> 00:42:53,239
you go cover that guy and erase
him from the planet or make his life

589
00:42:53,239 --> 00:42:57,719
hell. That's not really what Matiste
Tybel does. Matist Table, for his

590
00:42:57,800 --> 00:43:02,360
defensive reputation, is somewhat overrated as
an on ball defender. He is just

591
00:43:04,000 --> 00:43:12,119
a planet destroying menace off the ball, but on the ball not quite that

592
00:43:12,239 --> 00:43:17,920
same caliber Herb Jones is. I
see like a higher scalable ceiling on defense

593
00:43:17,960 --> 00:43:22,239
for Herb Jones plus the offensive game
that he's already displaying as a rookie.

594
00:43:22,280 --> 00:43:28,960
It's it's inconsistent, but you can
see the pieces there. So I do

595
00:43:29,079 --> 00:43:32,400
think that if the we we talked
about this on a recent episode, where

596
00:43:32,719 --> 00:43:37,519
like I think there's more of or
actually no, it wasn't with you.

597
00:43:37,559 --> 00:43:43,960
I talked about this with was it
with you? Like else behind my but

598
00:43:44,159 --> 00:43:46,880
I did. I did the guest
appearance with Tony east On locked on pacers.

599
00:43:49,400 --> 00:43:52,440
But there was a conversation and this
is how like just mentally frieda I

600
00:43:52,480 --> 00:43:58,599
am about whether there's going to be
more prominence to like the the dunker's role

601
00:43:59,639 --> 00:44:01,840
big time defensive stopping. That was
with you, right, Gary Payden and

602
00:44:02,239 --> 00:44:06,639
you know guys who yeah, yeah. So I think like if the NBA

603
00:44:06,760 --> 00:44:12,840
does trend more in that direction,
there should be an opportunity for Tyble to

604
00:44:12,880 --> 00:44:17,119
play bigger minutes because there's so much
floor spacing everywhere, there's so much offensive

605
00:44:17,159 --> 00:44:22,679
creation anywhere, everywhere and anywhere that
you can easily station a guy in that

606
00:44:22,760 --> 00:44:27,000
dunker spot on offense in a way
that allows you to not hinder your team's

607
00:44:27,039 --> 00:44:30,679
performance there and get thirty minutes of
defensive excellence out of him. We're not

608
00:44:30,760 --> 00:44:36,199
seeing that yet. So without that
specialization route, I just don't know what

609
00:44:36,239 --> 00:44:40,679
the argument is for Tyble here.
I think there's an argument just because he

610
00:44:40,800 --> 00:44:45,280
is doing things away from the ball
or and passingly that we've just never like

611
00:44:45,840 --> 00:44:50,199
he's fucking suffocating, He's a blink, He's an eclipse in those situations.

612
00:44:50,599 --> 00:44:53,760
This one, we're obligated to do. LaMelo Ball or Anthony Edwards. Who

613
00:44:53,760 --> 00:45:00,599
you got? I think I'm on
Anthony Edwards decide at this point. Just

614
00:45:00,199 --> 00:45:08,039
wow, yeah, yeah, just
the scoring ability is just supreme. It

615
00:45:08,159 --> 00:45:14,159
feels like he continues to understand how
to read defense is better. He's showing

616
00:45:14,519 --> 00:45:19,360
more and more defensive ability as his
second year has progressed, and I feel

617
00:45:19,360 --> 00:45:22,480
like we've seen a little bit of
stagnation from LaMelo Ball. He has the

618
00:45:22,440 --> 00:45:28,159
really flashy plays, but he still
makes a lot of bad decisions. He

619
00:45:28,320 --> 00:45:32,400
still tries to do too much on
a regular basis, and that'll be worked

620
00:45:32,440 --> 00:45:37,039
out of his game as he continues
to mature at the NBA level. And

621
00:45:37,079 --> 00:45:43,280
he's obviously just ridiculously talented and so
impactful on the offensive end and increasingly so

622
00:45:43,360 --> 00:45:49,199
on the defensive end. But it's
hard. You can't teach the athleticism that

623
00:45:49,320 --> 00:45:53,119
Edwards has, and he is learning
how to harness it more and more for

624
00:45:53,199 --> 00:45:58,960
a team that I would say is
better by a significant amount. Like granted,

625
00:45:59,119 --> 00:46:02,480
Lamello doesn't have the ability to play
with Karl Anthony Towns as Edwards does.

626
00:46:02,960 --> 00:46:07,280
But Edwards is feeling a pretty huge
role for a pretty good, very

627
00:46:07,320 --> 00:46:14,039
feisty Timberwolves team. I get the
concerns there with Lamello especially, and they've

628
00:46:14,079 --> 00:46:15,280
tried to change his role a little
bit in Charlotte, and as one of

629
00:46:15,320 --> 00:46:19,679
our listeners point out, I think
Jake g and that made me look into

630
00:46:19,719 --> 00:46:22,760
it like they've tried to move him
off the ball more to simplify his role.

631
00:46:22,320 --> 00:46:28,480
He's just he's so much more central
in a vacuum to what Charlotte does

632
00:46:28,559 --> 00:46:30,480
because he has to be in a
way that Anthony Edwards doesn't have to be

633
00:46:30,480 --> 00:46:34,559
because you also have Delo, you
have Karl Anthony Towns. And yeah,

634
00:46:34,559 --> 00:46:37,119
I know that Charlotte has Goren Award, but at the end of the day

635
00:46:37,840 --> 00:46:40,639
sometimes, yeah, That's what I
was gonna say, is he's been out

636
00:46:40,679 --> 00:46:45,760
for roughly forever at this point,
and there's Miles Bridges, Miles Bridges in

637
00:46:45,800 --> 00:46:50,360
Karl Anthony Towns, there's Terry Rozier. Terry Rozier probably isn't Delo when it

638
00:46:50,400 --> 00:46:52,679
comes to offense. The year's just
better off with a streamlined role for Terry

639
00:46:52,760 --> 00:46:57,239
Rozier, better shooter, He's been
really good lately. That's fair enough.

640
00:46:57,280 --> 00:47:00,840
Would you take Delo or Rosier?
That's not who you got that. I

641
00:47:00,840 --> 00:47:07,320
think I'd take Rosier. Wow,
Okay, he's easier to fit, Yeah,

642
00:47:07,599 --> 00:47:12,880
but I don't when it clicks,
it clicks like Deal is surprisingly steady

643
00:47:13,280 --> 00:47:15,400
for as tumultuous as his first few
seasons in the NBA were. But I

644
00:47:15,400 --> 00:47:19,719
don't know how much more there is
to glean from that profile. I'd take

645
00:47:19,760 --> 00:47:22,400
dealough there's like no justification there.
I still think it's Lamello. He's a

646
00:47:22,400 --> 00:47:25,719
transcendent playmaker, and this is someone
who if he gets a little bit better,

647
00:47:25,760 --> 00:47:28,960
and I think the thing I mentioned, if he's playing off the ball

648
00:47:29,000 --> 00:47:31,199
more, maybe that opens things up
to where they can get him moving downhill

649
00:47:31,239 --> 00:47:35,000
without the ball in his hands,
and it improves his finishing and pet around

650
00:47:35,039 --> 00:47:37,599
the Raymond path ways to the basket. Like there's already a real like in

651
00:47:37,639 --> 00:47:42,360
between game from him. He is
also the fact that you can move him

652
00:47:42,400 --> 00:47:45,320
off the ball. That's not an
option that you have with like try Young

653
00:47:45,480 --> 00:47:47,239
just they don't move him off the
ball in Atlanta. He's been a better

654
00:47:47,239 --> 00:47:51,320
shooter than I expected. I like
his size, and I think Anthony Edwards.

655
00:47:51,320 --> 00:47:53,719
The off ball defensive improvement for him
has been real. I think Lamello

656
00:47:53,760 --> 00:47:58,320
is gonna end up being like one
of the better backcourt defenders by the time

657
00:47:58,320 --> 00:48:00,639
that his career is all not of
all times, such good hands, such

658
00:48:00,639 --> 00:48:06,239
good anticipation, I can see it. I don't know if the personnels optimized

659
00:48:06,320 --> 00:48:08,280
him. I also want to see
him play with a big that sort of

660
00:48:08,320 --> 00:48:13,559
makes sense at both ends to play
alongside him. It's not plumbly, it's

661
00:48:13,599 --> 00:48:17,159
not tres. They make different levels
of sense in certain situations, like if

662
00:48:17,159 --> 00:48:22,119
you gave him Myles turn and that's
not a huge ask when Anthy Edward car

663
00:48:22,280 --> 00:48:27,159
up, when Anthony Edwards has like
Karl Anthony Towns. So should we push

664
00:48:27,159 --> 00:48:31,599
for Rudy Gobert here again, Rio
Bart Charlotte would be there's your there it

665
00:48:31,639 --> 00:48:36,719
is if you give the Mellow with
Rudy Gobert or Anthony Edwards with Karl Anthony

666
00:48:36,800 --> 00:48:38,719
Towns. Oh, I don't know
there, that's a fun one. I'd

667
00:48:38,719 --> 00:48:43,000
probably go Edwards with Towns because I
am so high on Karl Anthony right,

668
00:48:44,199 --> 00:48:46,719
Yeah, I think I'm still there. But that fit with Ball and Gobert

669
00:48:46,760 --> 00:48:51,559
on both ends would just be immaculate. The how is that for who you

670
00:48:51,639 --> 00:48:55,400
got? The I have a team
one for you, these three teams for

671
00:48:55,440 --> 00:49:00,800
the next five years, Boston,
Dallas, and Memphis. Who you got

672
00:49:04,039 --> 00:49:12,360
I would still go with Memphis first
man. That's a that's just an incredibly

673
00:49:12,400 --> 00:49:17,320
tricky one, you know. I
think Luca is the most exciting player on

674
00:49:17,360 --> 00:49:22,320
any of the three. No disrespect
to John Moran, Obviously, lucas the

675
00:49:22,360 --> 00:49:27,360
most exciting us not from a highlight
perspective, but like in terms of this

676
00:49:27,400 --> 00:49:30,880
conversation and what they could do.
Right. So, Okay, I'll clarify

677
00:49:30,880 --> 00:49:37,079
and say Luca is the best player
in this situation. But I just don't

678
00:49:37,159 --> 00:49:43,000
trust the Mavericks organization. I don't
know that I count on them making good

679
00:49:43,039 --> 00:49:46,320
free agent decisions. I don't know
that I trust Jason Kidd at head coach,

680
00:49:46,400 --> 00:49:52,039
even though he is unquestionably having a
good first season there as we speak.

681
00:49:52,639 --> 00:49:58,159
I don't know that I trust the
supporting cast right now. I mean,

682
00:49:58,199 --> 00:50:00,840
who's who are the second and third
best players in Dallas long term?

683
00:50:00,880 --> 00:50:05,400
Like, we don't even really have
definitive answers to that question. In Boston,

684
00:50:05,480 --> 00:50:10,079
you have a much better infrastructure.
I'm super high in what Imaudoka has

685
00:50:10,119 --> 00:50:15,000
done as a head coach. I
mean just even looking just at the role

686
00:50:15,039 --> 00:50:17,960
that he's carved out for Robert Williams
the third, you have Jason Tatum and

687
00:50:19,079 --> 00:50:22,719
Jalen Brown. But then we get
to Memphis and John Morant is at least

688
00:50:22,760 --> 00:50:30,280
in the best player conversation alongside Tatum
and Don Chich And there is just so

689
00:50:30,360 --> 00:50:35,840
much depth across the board. A
great complimentary player in Jaren Jackson Jr.

690
00:50:36,320 --> 00:50:43,320
Another great complimentary player with all star
upside in Desmond Bane. I think I

691
00:50:43,360 --> 00:50:47,119
think I'm still Memphis one, Boston
two, Dallas three. I have Dallas

692
00:50:47,159 --> 00:50:52,840
third. I'd have Boston one.
Just your two building boxes Jalen Brown and

693
00:50:52,920 --> 00:50:54,920
Jayson Tatum and being able to fill
out from there and even just like the

694
00:50:54,960 --> 00:51:00,280
movies, the moves that they could
still make because of the players they have.

695
00:51:00,360 --> 00:51:04,559
Where Marcus Smart, Robert Williams the
third, Derek White, all those

696
00:51:04,599 --> 00:51:08,000
guys are assets by themselves both for
you. But Boston probably has of this

697
00:51:08,039 --> 00:51:12,440
bunch, the best, third,
fourth, and fifth best player of the

698
00:51:12,480 --> 00:51:15,320
three teams. That's important. What
is Jalen Brown? Though? Because I

699
00:51:15,440 --> 00:51:19,639
still don't know, No, I
genuinely still don't know. I mean he

700
00:51:19,719 --> 00:51:24,599
is, he is an All Star
when he's healthy. But we've also seen

701
00:51:25,199 --> 00:51:34,039
some pretty prolonged shooting slumps. We've
seen juniors never had those, never ever,

702
00:51:35,400 --> 00:51:37,280
not a single one. He's never
missed a shot. I just know

703
00:51:37,360 --> 00:51:40,199
I'm not I'm not comparing him to
anyone else. I mean he is,

704
00:51:40,519 --> 00:51:45,199
he is the best second option of
the bunch, But I don't know,

705
00:51:45,480 --> 00:51:52,679
like the extent to which that's a
selling point right now, because if if

706
00:51:52,719 --> 00:51:58,400
I made you pick right now,
how many more times does Jalen Brown represent

707
00:51:58,440 --> 00:52:01,159
the Eastern Conference in an All Star
game? You want an exact number,

708
00:52:01,199 --> 00:52:05,679
you're gonna give me? No,
just yeah? Over under his zero point

709
00:52:05,719 --> 00:52:07,639
five? Oh, I take the
over, you would see, I don't.

710
00:52:07,639 --> 00:52:10,480
I don't know that I'm there right
now, Like I think that he

711
00:52:12,199 --> 00:52:16,440
I could see him being that like
Gordon Hayward level where he's always in the

712
00:52:16,480 --> 00:52:22,920
conversation. But maybe doesn't make it
all right, that's fair enough. I

713
00:52:22,960 --> 00:52:27,000
have another team one for you were
First of all, we're not that far

714
00:52:27,039 --> 00:52:29,880
off. You had Memphis, we
both have Dallas. The third. I

715
00:52:29,920 --> 00:52:31,840
don't know why you would like I
had to think about it. I don't

716
00:52:31,840 --> 00:52:36,360
know why you would trust the organization
in Dallas at the moment, Like Luca

717
00:52:36,440 --> 00:52:38,199
is clearly the best player, but
just of all the stuff like the dis

718
00:52:38,199 --> 00:52:43,480
dispute now with Donnie Nelson and the
organization where every single side comes off looking

719
00:52:43,559 --> 00:52:47,039
like just smelling like shit in this
and it's not the first time, no,

720
00:52:47,199 --> 00:52:50,320
and it's not, and it's you
know, why people were inclined to

721
00:52:50,360 --> 00:52:53,599
believe the initial report or the lawsuit
from Donnie Nelson because the Maveris organization has

722
00:52:53,599 --> 00:53:00,280
a history of like sexual harassment problems
within there, like of misogyny and just

723
00:53:00,679 --> 00:53:04,559
toxic workplace. So I get why
people weren't going to give him benefit of

724
00:53:04,599 --> 00:53:07,760
the doubt. I would never like
actually comment into this because both sides.

725
00:53:07,880 --> 00:53:10,440
First all, Donnie Nelson was there
for everything, and so I can't look

726
00:53:10,480 --> 00:53:14,039
at him as like a voice for
the victims. I'm like, the only

727
00:53:14,039 --> 00:53:19,559
people that I'm worried about are the
potential victims in this, and that's but

728
00:53:20,199 --> 00:53:21,960
again I don't want to get into
that. My point is, I don't

729
00:53:21,960 --> 00:53:23,760
know why you would trust d Alice
to do the right thing. The Persinias

730
00:53:23,760 --> 00:53:30,400
train seems to be working out,
but they've had like these big aspirations many

731
00:53:30,480 --> 00:53:32,679
times over, and if with they
were able to put a championship team around

732
00:53:32,679 --> 00:53:37,239
Dirk. But we have to wait
for a year fifteen of Luca for that

733
00:53:37,280 --> 00:53:38,800
to happen. I don't actually know
what year it wasn't, but I just

734
00:53:38,840 --> 00:53:42,679
said that I have another team one
for you. Last couple of ones here.

735
00:53:42,960 --> 00:53:45,360
I think you're are you right?
He was? He was drafted in

736
00:53:45,480 --> 00:53:50,840
ninety seven, right, I'll look
at one in twenty eleven, so I

737
00:53:50,840 --> 00:54:00,159
guess that would be year fourteen.
This is important stuff. It was year

738
00:54:00,320 --> 00:54:05,280
thirteen, so I wasn't that far
off. Well, years he drafted.

739
00:54:05,840 --> 00:54:08,800
He his first year in the NBA
was ninety nine. He was like,

740
00:54:08,920 --> 00:54:13,280
oh, I was off one year, okay, So I was just thinking,

741
00:54:13,719 --> 00:54:16,079
so we have another, Like we
have another nine years ago before Luca

742
00:54:16,119 --> 00:54:20,719
wins his first title. This one's
interesting to me, and I feel like

743
00:54:20,760 --> 00:54:24,840
no one's gonna appreciate it, except
for maybe you who you got as they

744
00:54:25,000 --> 00:54:35,960
entered these new eras Portland or San
Antonio. Mm hmm, san Antonio.

745
00:54:37,599 --> 00:54:45,880
You just think. I think that
Portland has the obvious top centerpiece in Damian

746
00:54:45,920 --> 00:54:51,360
Lillard for now. And that's the
biggest thing is that with san Antonio,

747
00:54:51,480 --> 00:54:58,239
like it has Dejante Murray, it
has other potential building blocks. It has

748
00:54:58,280 --> 00:55:06,880
a front office that has con instantly
unearthed quality pieces. And with Portland it

749
00:55:07,039 --> 00:55:10,840
set itself up really nicely with a
bunch of draft picks with a lot of

750
00:55:12,000 --> 00:55:16,719
cap space. What if Lillard wants
out, Like, yeah, it's it's

751
00:55:16,840 --> 00:55:23,760
nice to say that you're entering this
restructure around him, and you know,

752
00:55:23,800 --> 00:55:29,079
if it works, awesome, But
what if it doesn't? And I don't

753
00:55:29,159 --> 00:55:34,440
I don't think san Antonio has that
blow it up and have to start totally

754
00:55:34,480 --> 00:55:40,599
from scratch again scenario here. So
this might be another one where yeah,

755
00:55:40,639 --> 00:55:45,920
I mean, if everything goes right, you're taking the Blazers. But the

756
00:55:45,000 --> 00:55:51,880
chances of everything going right are pretty
darn small. And I think that's why

757
00:55:51,920 --> 00:55:55,079
the Spurs are the answer, because
they have more variety at their disposal right

758
00:55:55,079 --> 00:55:59,679
now when looking at their direction.
Even if you keep Dame the flexibility that

759
00:55:59,719 --> 00:56:02,440
you've prioritized, let's see what it
becomes. First, Portland's not traditionally been

760
00:56:02,480 --> 00:56:07,480
a team that players flock towards,
and so I thought it was an interesting

761
00:56:07,480 --> 00:56:09,840
one though, because you still have
Dame and a ton of flexibility Anthony Simon's

762
00:56:09,880 --> 00:56:13,639
the fact that he was playing so
well before he was shut down on a

763
00:56:13,639 --> 00:56:16,440
team that was bad, and like
playing alongside Trend and Watford, who's not

764
00:56:16,519 --> 00:56:19,639
He's been actually kind of fun the
way he moved away from the ball.

765
00:56:19,679 --> 00:56:24,920
But that's besides my point that his
performance translated that Yusef Nurkis was playing better

766
00:56:24,960 --> 00:56:29,960
before he got injured. There's actual
like Josh Hart went off for like a

767
00:56:30,039 --> 00:56:35,199
zillion points the other night. Josh
Hart is legitimately good. There is that's

768
00:56:35,239 --> 00:56:39,360
like the least spicy thing that you've
ever had on this But I thought it

769
00:56:39,400 --> 00:56:43,960
was a conversation. And if you
keep Dame, I think it actually makes

770
00:56:44,000 --> 00:56:49,519
the Blazer's case, would you say
stronger or weaker to go over the Spurs?

771
00:56:49,519 --> 00:56:52,679
Stronger for sure, just because he
guarantees a higher floor. I think

772
00:56:52,719 --> 00:56:58,320
I'm with you. But there's also
value in the unknown and right it's like,

773
00:56:58,360 --> 00:57:00,559
okay, you have Dame, what
are you turning a flexibility into?

774
00:57:00,599 --> 00:57:04,400
We have to wait and say I'm
inclined to go San Antonio as well.

775
00:57:04,840 --> 00:57:07,880
This one was going around on Twitter
a week or two ago and I can't

776
00:57:07,880 --> 00:57:15,079
remember who put it out there.
Jordan Pool or Tyler Hero. Who you

777
00:57:15,159 --> 00:57:19,039
Got? I am so this might
be the one I'm most on the fence

778
00:57:19,079 --> 00:57:23,440
about because we talked in a recent
episode about how Tyler Hero deserves to be

779
00:57:23,920 --> 00:57:30,920
a Max Extension candidate. But I
also just maybe I'm biased here because Jordan

780
00:57:31,000 --> 00:57:35,079
Pool. I'll I will spoil this
now, Jordan Pool is going to be

781
00:57:35,159 --> 00:57:39,880
on my all Hardwoodknox team. I
just I love watching how he operates and

782
00:57:39,920 --> 00:57:45,079
the aesthetics of his game, just
the pull up shooting, the finishing ability

783
00:57:45,119 --> 00:57:49,920
around the basket, some of the
feistiness that you occasionally see on defense,

784
00:57:49,960 --> 00:57:57,119
the growing playmaking ability. So he
might be my pick here, but I'm

785
00:57:57,239 --> 00:57:59,760
I'm just like, I'm not sure
can you sell me on either one?

786
00:57:59,800 --> 00:58:02,840
Like, do you have a definitive
answer? Because this, to me might

787
00:58:02,880 --> 00:58:07,280
be this single best who you got? Because I just I don't know.

788
00:58:09,280 --> 00:58:15,719
I have Tyler Hero because I think
I just appreciate the level of difficulty on

789
00:58:15,760 --> 00:58:20,159
the shots he can hit at the
clip that he hits them, and Jordan

790
00:58:20,199 --> 00:58:22,000
Pool has a little bit of that
in him. Any is the better finisher

791
00:58:22,079 --> 00:58:25,760
around the rim. I think Tyler
Hero is the higher ceiling. If you're

792
00:58:25,760 --> 00:58:29,880
going to ask someone to run in
offense, though, and when you get

793
00:58:29,920 --> 00:58:32,559
into a playoff setting, and I
don't on the teams they're on now,

794
00:58:32,800 --> 00:58:36,559
neither of these guys that they're fully
health They're going to ask to be even

795
00:58:36,599 --> 00:58:39,719
the second best player on their teams, right Tyler, Hero's game to me

796
00:58:40,159 --> 00:58:45,840
feels like on offense specifically, feels
like it will be way more valuable,

797
00:58:45,079 --> 00:58:49,599
or maybe not way more, but
we'll end up being more valuable in the

798
00:58:49,599 --> 00:58:52,440
playoffs. See. The reason I
would push back a little bit there is

799
00:58:52,480 --> 00:59:01,079
because while Hero's ability to convert these
difficult shots is a testament to his skill

800
00:59:01,199 --> 00:59:07,679
as an offensive player, I have
yet to see him be able to create

801
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on a consistent basis non difficult shots. And he is ultimately operating in a

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role in which he's often going against
backups. Sometimes he's playing alongside the heat's

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true stars in a way that he
should be able to create easier looks.

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I have seen Pool do that.
I get it. It's great to be

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able to hit difficult shots. It's
better to not have to take difficult shots.

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And I think Pool is better at
earning those easier looks at this stage

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than Hero is. Hero could get
there. Pool is the more efficient player,

808
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and I do think he's a better
passer than people realize that. A

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lot of it has to do with
I think who he's passing to at certain

810
00:59:52,760 --> 01:00:00,840
points. Right it's close, I
would still lean Hero here because his feels

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like it can be higher if his
role has ever expanded, whereas we might

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be witnessing this is the best version
of Jordan Pool and because of what Tyler

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01:00:07,239 --> 01:00:10,760
Hero does, if you need Jordan
Pool to be better than you're let's say

814
01:00:10,760 --> 01:00:15,159
fourth best player, to me,
there are more limitations on your team,

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and if you needed Tyler Hero,
it'll be better than your fourth best I

816
01:00:17,960 --> 01:00:22,400
think I'm I think I'm going with
Pool here, but I'm more like dipping

817
01:00:22,440 --> 01:00:25,679
my toe in than jumping all the
way in. They're just like when you

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01:00:25,679 --> 01:00:29,880
look at their numbers this season two, which is not something I did before.

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01:00:29,920 --> 01:00:34,000
You're having this as if we record
is just so incredibly close. Twenty

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01:00:34,039 --> 01:00:37,000
three point three points per thirty six
minutes for Tyler Hero, twenty one point

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01:00:37,079 --> 01:00:42,159
two for Jordan Pool, four point
five assists for thirty six for Jordan Pool,

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01:00:43,519 --> 01:00:49,039
four point two for Tyler Hero,
Jordan Pool sixty point one true shooting

823
01:00:49,079 --> 01:00:52,559
that matters and then you have Tyler
Hero fifty six point one. That's also

824
01:00:52,639 --> 01:00:55,840
you're probably taking Pool on defense,
right, Yeah, you're probably taking Pool.

825
01:00:55,960 --> 01:00:59,320
Just ability for Pool to get to
the free throw line I think is

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01:00:59,360 --> 01:01:02,159
incumbent of his shot selection. He's
going to get there more frequently, and

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01:01:02,239 --> 01:01:06,280
he shoots over ninety percent the foul
line. But Tyler, you're shooting eighty

828
01:01:06,320 --> 01:01:09,800
seven point one percent. That's just
not that's that's splitting already. Thrice split

829
01:01:09,840 --> 01:01:14,280
hairs there. That's an that might
be the most interesting one. I think

830
01:01:14,280 --> 01:01:16,800
it's the best one. Did you
have any others that you wanted to get

831
01:01:16,840 --> 01:01:20,760
to? I thought about giving you
Austin Reeves or talent Horton Tucker. Who

832
01:01:20,760 --> 01:01:25,880
you got. I'm just watching a
game that should be on national TV and

833
01:01:25,960 --> 01:01:30,800
isn't because the Lakers are Austin Reeves
is pumping drive game Man. Just something

834
01:01:30,840 --> 01:01:34,400
to watch that feels like the best
place to end, though, is with

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01:01:34,440 --> 01:01:37,159
the Pool versus Hero one. That's
I think so too. If you have

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ones that you want us to do, or you want a different episode where

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01:01:39,639 --> 01:01:43,840
we do even more crowd solicitation.
We didn't take any from Twitter this time.

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01:01:44,400 --> 01:01:46,400
That's something will definitely certainly consider doing
down the road. This was fun

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01:01:46,400 --> 01:01:51,599
and it's a very instructive thought exercise, both in the moment as you're prepping

840
01:01:51,639 --> 01:01:53,760
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