1 00:00:04,400 --> 00:00:24,000 And driven by Victor. It's bilified the Bill Moran Podcast. Well, hello 2 00:00:24,039 --> 00:00:27,280 and welcome. Thanks for getting your pot on, Thanks for telling a friend. 3 00:00:27,320 --> 00:00:30,239 That's how we spread the word about the pirate ship. Thanks for sporting 4 00:00:30,239 --> 00:00:36,880 ohs who support us. Very excited because I've had my mom on the podcast. 5 00:00:37,759 --> 00:00:40,479 I've had my son on the podcast. A couple of my sons, 6 00:00:40,560 --> 00:00:47,439 Jamison and Jordan Jackson probably coming up later this summer. But now sitting across 7 00:00:47,479 --> 00:00:54,000 from me, he seems to be a little reticent here, doesn't really want 8 00:00:54,039 --> 00:00:59,359 to do it. Is my brother Kevin and his beautiful bride Morgan. And 9 00:00:59,399 --> 00:01:04,400 I'm very decided because I have bragged about you for years. You you have 10 00:01:04,439 --> 00:01:08,359 some very interesting things that I've some things I've never really talked to you about 11 00:01:08,560 --> 00:01:12,159 that I'd love to to talk to you about it. I'm a very serious 12 00:01:12,200 --> 00:01:15,239 guy, I know, I know. Pull that closer to you. Yeah, 13 00:01:17,040 --> 00:01:21,120 just pulled the microphone. You're gonna have to lift up for the base. 14 00:01:21,359 --> 00:01:25,079 Yeah, she's all right, there you go. Yes, I well, 15 00:01:25,079 --> 00:01:27,480 you are a serious guy. You're very serious and you're very funny at 16 00:01:27,480 --> 00:01:30,959 the same time. Well, yeah, I mean you seem to balance. 17 00:01:32,000 --> 00:01:34,159 I mean you balance it. But do you you have that? Well here, 18 00:01:34,239 --> 00:01:38,560 let me start here, because I don't really know what you do. 19 00:01:38,560 --> 00:01:44,120 That makes two of us. Okay, no, but I mean, well, 20 00:01:44,480 --> 00:01:48,920 so I always admired a couple of things. But well, we'll kind 21 00:01:48,920 --> 00:01:52,519 of backtrack to that in a minute. There's one one thing I always admired 22 00:01:52,599 --> 00:01:57,079 that you did. But the h what is your job? So I, 23 00:01:57,319 --> 00:01:59,840 uh, yeah, it's hard to explain because I worked for a hotel. 24 00:02:00,159 --> 00:02:01,799 So everybody who works or says they work at a hotel, they think, 25 00:02:01,799 --> 00:02:05,799 oh yeah, they're they're making beds, They're they're checking people in. Um 26 00:02:05,840 --> 00:02:07,319 I sit and as I even tell people in the telling, I'm like, 27 00:02:07,319 --> 00:02:12,000 I'm putting a basement. Man, I'm with the mushrooms. I'm on the 28 00:02:12,039 --> 00:02:15,639 bottom ground. But I'm my job is really forecasting. So I do a 29 00:02:15,639 --> 00:02:21,479 lot of economic forecasting for the hotel. Okay, I'm looking at all kinds 30 00:02:21,479 --> 00:02:23,319 of fun numbers and things that people never think about when they're checking into a 31 00:02:23,319 --> 00:02:25,759 hotel. But I'm looking at how people are booking. I look at guest 32 00:02:25,840 --> 00:02:30,960 behavior, how far in advance they're booking, right, Because we're making a 33 00:02:30,000 --> 00:02:32,199 lot of beds, We're making a lot of predictions based on the revenue that 34 00:02:32,199 --> 00:02:36,439 we're going to drive in. So that's really what my job is. It's 35 00:02:36,479 --> 00:02:38,439 just you know, trying to be accurate, trying to make sure that we're 36 00:02:38,479 --> 00:02:45,800 painting the picture ahead of time for investors. So that that's a pretty serious 37 00:02:45,879 --> 00:02:49,560 job because, as you just said, it's investors that are putting their money 38 00:02:49,639 --> 00:02:53,639 up and you need to show an ROI return on investment. You got to 39 00:02:53,639 --> 00:02:58,120 look at Yeah, hold a microphone to the edge of the table, A 40 00:02:58,639 --> 00:03:01,080 fun stuff that there you go, right like that people don't realize. And 41 00:03:01,120 --> 00:03:04,159 again it's like any business, right, you know, if you're to go 42 00:03:04,159 --> 00:03:06,479 into a baker's, Yeah they make muffins. Yeah they make muffins, but 43 00:03:06,479 --> 00:03:07,479 they also have to keep the lights on. They also have to make sure 44 00:03:07,520 --> 00:03:10,319 that they're paying for the labor. Yeah, they're paying for the rent. 45 00:03:10,439 --> 00:03:13,919 You know, you're looking at the cost of goods, all those things. 46 00:03:14,520 --> 00:03:16,319 Uh that you know, again you don't you don't think about it in a 47 00:03:16,400 --> 00:03:21,000 day to day existence where most people don't. But that's kind of where I 48 00:03:21,080 --> 00:03:25,000 play. Hotels are interesting just on the fact that they have a really good 49 00:03:25,000 --> 00:03:30,159 return on investment if they're if they're operated properly. Yeah, But like any 50 00:03:30,199 --> 00:03:37,479 business, the biggest challenges always labor um. If you let labor be too 51 00:03:37,560 --> 00:03:39,960 high or be too low, it's going to cost you. So again it's 52 00:03:40,000 --> 00:03:45,919 trying to find that fine balance. So is that all part of your budget 53 00:03:45,919 --> 00:03:47,560 line? You're the guy in charge all that. Okay, so all this 54 00:03:47,639 --> 00:03:51,599 is very serious. But I just want to say this. And you didn't 55 00:03:51,599 --> 00:03:54,479 know seeing but I didn't know. But but here's the thing. Like our 56 00:03:54,560 --> 00:04:00,840 dad was extremely extremely funny. I mean he's still like, yeah, he's 57 00:04:00,840 --> 00:04:04,319 got some good he does, but he's always been very, very funny and 58 00:04:04,439 --> 00:04:09,240 very quick, but yet at the same time very serious. And I remember 59 00:04:09,319 --> 00:04:14,479 because my friend Molly franz Owen's mom had this novelty shop in pine Planes, 60 00:04:14,759 --> 00:04:16,519 and I think it was just like she was a boardhousewife and she got her 61 00:04:16,560 --> 00:04:20,120 husband to buy her a store. And she's really creative and smart. She 62 00:04:20,120 --> 00:04:24,000 had a master's degree in biology and stuff, and she would substitute once in 63 00:04:24,040 --> 00:04:27,000 a while, but she had these You wound him up and it was like 64 00:04:27,000 --> 00:04:30,439 a bouncing penis that came across and Dad went in there and he must have 65 00:04:30,560 --> 00:04:34,519 done like an HBO special where she was laughing in all this stuff. And 66 00:04:34,560 --> 00:04:38,240 I would see her and she tell me how much she loved her dad. 67 00:04:38,040 --> 00:04:42,439 I love your dad's so funny, babba. And then one time outside the 68 00:04:42,480 --> 00:04:46,120 auditorium at the school, after a performance, a band performance or something, 69 00:04:46,720 --> 00:04:50,319 she came up to him and said, oh, I've got and said something, 70 00:04:50,680 --> 00:04:55,959 and he like went cold cold, like that was not well because he 71 00:04:56,000 --> 00:04:59,759 was always buttoned up right. That wasn't gonna be he wasn't playing there right. 72 00:05:00,160 --> 00:05:03,000 And I always felt like, honestly, there was always this serious side 73 00:05:03,439 --> 00:05:09,079 and this playful side. I like the playful side more. Thus radio and 74 00:05:09,120 --> 00:05:12,800 all that stuff. But even in radio there was news and more new side 75 00:05:12,800 --> 00:05:15,920 of stuff. And I'm listening to you, you juggle fire, you went 76 00:05:15,000 --> 00:05:18,879 to clown College. You've done all these fun things and these are no but 77 00:05:19,040 --> 00:05:23,920 but you're just explaining right now, is like that's really serious stuff. That's 78 00:05:24,000 --> 00:05:26,959 kind of a high pressure. There's pressure, man, Yeah, there's a 79 00:05:26,959 --> 00:05:29,800 bit of pressure. But again, so the clown school. I think I've 80 00:05:29,800 --> 00:05:31,560 gotten more mileage out of Clown School than any other degree that I have. 81 00:05:32,199 --> 00:05:35,600 Um, And it comes in, it comes in quite a bit, especially 82 00:05:35,639 --> 00:05:38,920 when I'm dealing, right, I mean, you got to you gotta picture 83 00:05:38,959 --> 00:05:41,920 that some of these meetings that I'm in and and and I'm you know, 84 00:05:41,920 --> 00:05:44,279 representing the numbers all the kind of nuts that these guys are playing in their 85 00:05:44,279 --> 00:05:46,680 private jets. Yeah right, they're playing in there's you know what, what's 86 00:05:46,720 --> 00:05:49,160 that returning gonna be? Okay, we're gonna make X millents of dollars? 87 00:05:49,519 --> 00:05:51,720 What does that look like? How does that float out to the bottom line? 88 00:05:51,800 --> 00:05:55,199 So you know, I can go, but you're working for it, 89 00:05:55,399 --> 00:05:59,680 like one group of guys. Can you say, dude, you are you 90 00:06:00,000 --> 00:06:01,959 comfortable saying where you are? Yeah? I mean so yeah, So I 91 00:06:02,000 --> 00:06:05,000 work worked for a little hotel it's I like to call it up in me 92 00:06:05,040 --> 00:06:09,879 and it called a little hotel me and but uh, cliff House, Maine. 93 00:06:09,920 --> 00:06:13,319 So it's a great it's great property. Uh, it's an incredible looking 94 00:06:13,319 --> 00:06:15,800 place right on the luxury property. It's a luxury property right moregan, it's 95 00:06:15,800 --> 00:06:18,879 a luxury resort. But it's it's been an hour and a half north of 96 00:06:18,879 --> 00:06:23,800 Boston, and um, I've been there since it opened. You know, 97 00:06:23,800 --> 00:06:26,319 it's been around. Well, let's let me go back a couple of steps. 98 00:06:26,480 --> 00:06:29,399 It opened eighteen seventy two, is opened by one family owner for five 99 00:06:29,399 --> 00:06:33,920 generations. Then they sold it to um some local owners investors, and then 100 00:06:33,959 --> 00:06:39,319 they needed additional financial backing, right, so they worked with another major hotel 101 00:06:39,360 --> 00:06:42,160 group. Okay, okay, and that's how they got the private equity into 102 00:06:42,160 --> 00:06:46,519 this thing. Uh, they repositioned the hotel. So what do we move 103 00:06:46,560 --> 00:06:48,680 up there? Twenty sixteen? So twenty sixteen, okay, So we opened 104 00:06:48,720 --> 00:06:54,160 up the hotel August of twenty sixteen. And you're repositioning a hotel, all 105 00:06:54,199 --> 00:06:56,959 right. So you used to have the old you know, folks that would 106 00:06:56,959 --> 00:07:00,399 come in and you know, they would pay probably like two hundred twenty nine 107 00:07:00,399 --> 00:07:02,879 dollars and nine in the summer. Over the years, we had a reposition 108 00:07:03,000 --> 00:07:08,680 the hotel and start to look at a different demographic and all that fun stuff. 109 00:07:08,680 --> 00:07:11,399 So look at the marketing, looking at where you're where you're pulling out 110 00:07:11,439 --> 00:07:13,639 of. What are your regions? Again in Boston, we look at New 111 00:07:13,720 --> 00:07:16,879 York. I would pull some out of Europe in terms of guests. Um, 112 00:07:17,040 --> 00:07:20,199 you know, Florida is a big market too and for me, so 113 00:07:20,240 --> 00:07:23,600 you're really trying to reposition in the hotel and at the same time, what 114 00:07:23,600 --> 00:07:27,199 you're doing is you're still trying to grow the quality of the product. All 115 00:07:27,279 --> 00:07:30,439 right, So you're going from like selling four hundred dollars a night and over 116 00:07:30,480 --> 00:07:32,720 the years you get higher and higher. Right, we have suites in the 117 00:07:32,720 --> 00:07:36,639 hotel now that sell for over two thousand a night, two thousand and a 118 00:07:36,720 --> 00:07:40,360 night, and they sell and they sell and they sell, and it's and 119 00:07:40,360 --> 00:07:43,639 it's a beautiful hotel. So how do you when you're talking about you, 120 00:07:43,879 --> 00:07:46,480 you've got you pull from Europe, you pull from Florida. Those are places 121 00:07:46,480 --> 00:07:50,000 that aren't close. Boston's fairly close, New York car right away. These 122 00:07:50,040 --> 00:07:54,439 other places aren't. So how are you finding those guests? Is there a 123 00:07:54,519 --> 00:07:57,319 marketing it's an online Yeah, no, there's marketing. So there's a lot 124 00:07:57,399 --> 00:07:59,959 and again like anything else, right, so you look at the marketing site, 125 00:08:00,040 --> 00:08:01,600 say, oh yeah, you go out, you put up the billboard. 126 00:08:01,680 --> 00:08:03,160 Yeah, you can do that. But you also work with a lot 127 00:08:03,160 --> 00:08:07,560 of pr agencies. Okay, so we work with some pr agencies or we're 128 00:08:07,600 --> 00:08:11,480 doing things to get ourselves into um, we just have another article the other 129 00:08:11,560 --> 00:08:15,079 day. They came out with Travel and Leisure about the hotel, about the 130 00:08:15,079 --> 00:08:18,040 hotel, and then you're looking at how you positioned the hotels over the year 131 00:08:18,519 --> 00:08:20,680 years we've really worked on getting a Forbes or rating. So hotels and a 132 00:08:20,720 --> 00:08:24,800 lot of things were measured by Forbes, and you want to get Forbes for 133 00:08:24,040 --> 00:08:26,360 like and you gotta work, you know, you're just busting your town. 134 00:08:26,399 --> 00:08:28,759 Then they come in the secret chop you and they do all these things. 135 00:08:30,560 --> 00:08:35,039 But the hotel, Jeff's got rated as a Forbes four star hotels hotel, 136 00:08:35,080 --> 00:08:39,720 it's the only Forbes four star and there's not even a five star in Maine. 137 00:08:39,279 --> 00:08:41,720 Uh in Maine, so we're the only hood. Do you get the 138 00:08:41,759 --> 00:08:46,039 five star? Jesus, you practically have to, like it's NonStop. Yeah, 139 00:08:46,120 --> 00:08:50,039 yeah, it's gotta be like do they do they come in and nudge 140 00:08:50,080 --> 00:08:54,240 you awake in the morning, but everybody get a butler and that's the only 141 00:08:54,240 --> 00:08:56,639 thing, right, yeah, a yeah. You gotta look at the you 142 00:08:56,639 --> 00:08:58,840 know the value, right, and there's some great value as you can. 143 00:09:00,000 --> 00:09:01,559 You need to build up and you get to this this higher echelone. As 144 00:09:01,559 --> 00:09:05,639 you start to look, there are people that are looking it's like Zagate rating, 145 00:09:05,720 --> 00:09:07,759 right, look at the restaurants. People want to go to a four 146 00:09:07,799 --> 00:09:09,320 star, five star, and that's where you start to get to right. 147 00:09:09,360 --> 00:09:13,360 So as you're looking, people are saying, hey, you know, I 148 00:09:13,399 --> 00:09:15,559 want to go I want to go to New England. Right, So they 149 00:09:15,559 --> 00:09:18,600 reach out to their travel advisor or they old I always picture the old travel 150 00:09:18,600 --> 00:09:20,600 agents of beam strip Ball, but some of these folks are a little higher 151 00:09:20,639 --> 00:09:24,840 than that, and they're looking can they just say, hey, I want 152 00:09:24,840 --> 00:09:26,480 to go to I want to New England. So these folks are then really 153 00:09:26,480 --> 00:09:31,200 trying to align this phenomenal vacation for these folks if they're flying in a private 154 00:09:31,279 --> 00:09:33,840 jet that sort of thing, or however they're getting up there and they're looking 155 00:09:33,879 --> 00:09:37,039 for the hotels, they're looking for the right experiences. Do they want to 156 00:09:37,039 --> 00:09:39,440 go to bar Harbor? Now? Bar Harbor's about three hours up the road 157 00:09:39,440 --> 00:09:43,519 from where we are. But you start to see how they're able to kind 158 00:09:43,519 --> 00:09:48,039 of get this new demographic, right, folks that come in and they're alerted 159 00:09:48,080 --> 00:09:50,519 to the hotel because again we're working really close with the travel agent community in 160 00:09:50,519 --> 00:09:56,919 some ways, travel advisors and then obviously you know having that special rating too. 161 00:09:56,960 --> 00:10:01,240 So where are you in the ranking of the hotel high aerarchy? Do 162 00:10:01,240 --> 00:10:03,279 you understand what I'm saying? In the management structure of the hotel. Where 163 00:10:03,360 --> 00:10:07,279 where do you fall I don't know, like a vice president president. I 164 00:10:07,279 --> 00:10:11,000 mean, if they were going to do it that way, well, within 165 00:10:11,039 --> 00:10:13,840 the hotel, I'm you know, we have an executive committee. I'm on 166 00:10:13,840 --> 00:10:16,320 that, okay, so you have the managing director and then right to that 167 00:10:16,320 --> 00:10:20,159 person and some people under me. All right, So maybe what I'll do 168 00:10:20,320 --> 00:10:24,279 is we'll take a break here and then we'll go back, because you started 169 00:10:24,320 --> 00:10:30,519 flying planes before you had a driver's license, and and that was going to 170 00:10:30,600 --> 00:10:33,840 be the path. And then I'd like to just kind of meander through how 171 00:10:33,919 --> 00:10:39,320 you ended up sort of to hotels. But but it's not far off from 172 00:10:39,320 --> 00:10:43,200 all the things you talked about, right, It's it's not at all. 173 00:10:43,720 --> 00:10:48,320 And but there's also this one move that you did that I always thought, 174 00:10:48,360 --> 00:10:50,519 man, that's that was great and I and to me, I think, 175 00:10:52,000 --> 00:10:54,519 I I've never talked to you about it, but I think it may be 176 00:10:54,080 --> 00:10:58,399 one of the best things you ever did for yourself. Yeah. That could 177 00:10:58,440 --> 00:11:03,679 be Toronto Dental, my friend doctor Eduardo Toronto. I'm a patient there. 178 00:11:03,919 --> 00:11:05,960 The best dental care I have ever had. I have gone to places where 179 00:11:07,039 --> 00:11:09,360 they said we should really put a gold tooth in there. So I went 180 00:11:09,399 --> 00:11:11,759 and I got a gold tooth in the back of my mouth. I go 181 00:11:11,799 --> 00:11:15,000 to other dentists and they go, why do you have a gold tooth? 182 00:11:15,399 --> 00:11:18,519 See at doctor Toronto's. They're gonna talk to you and give you all the 183 00:11:18,559 --> 00:11:22,559 options that you have. They're gonna work with your insurance agency. They're gonna 184 00:11:22,559 --> 00:11:26,120 work with your health savings account to minimize your out of pocket expenses. But 185 00:11:26,200 --> 00:11:30,840 in the end, you ultimately choose the treatment that's right for you and what's 186 00:11:30,840 --> 00:11:33,039 going to be the best. And if you're a senior, they offer a 187 00:11:33,080 --> 00:11:35,440 generous senior discount. Toronto Dental give him a call. At four four two 188 00:11:35,559 --> 00:11:54,639 nineteen hundred Cobblestone on made and Webster, Oh what a great place to go 189 00:11:54,679 --> 00:11:56,440 and hang out. My friend Dan Bresnahan and his family own it. They 190 00:11:56,480 --> 00:12:01,320 took an eighteen hundred cobblestone church, they thoughtfully renovated it and it is a 191 00:12:01,360 --> 00:12:05,759 great space. The food is fantastic. They have live music there, but 192 00:12:05,840 --> 00:12:07,240 let's say you go there and you're really not in the mood for live music. 193 00:12:07,279 --> 00:12:09,759 You kind of want to have a quiet dinner with someone special. You 194 00:12:09,759 --> 00:12:15,279 can go into the back since it's two cobblestone buildings. The acoustics you can't 195 00:12:15,320 --> 00:12:18,480 hear. It's just like light dinner music. It's fantastic. They have a 196 00:12:18,480 --> 00:12:22,320 party room downstairs that'll fit up to forty five people, so if you have 197 00:12:22,320 --> 00:12:24,799 a special event, maybe graduation coming up. And the great thing about this 198 00:12:24,960 --> 00:12:28,360 you can rent that room. But it has its own private entrance. Well 199 00:12:28,360 --> 00:12:31,799 that's very helpful because if you're bringing in balloons or any kind of stuff, 200 00:12:31,840 --> 00:12:35,519 you don't want to be banging around the restaurant trying to work your way down 201 00:12:35,559 --> 00:12:39,000 into into the party room. So they have that and you can find out 202 00:12:39,000 --> 00:12:43,080 all the information about everything that goes on at Cobblestone at Maine on their website 203 00:12:43,120 --> 00:12:45,840 at Cobblestone on main dot com. Or give him a call in five eight 204 00:12:45,919 --> 00:12:50,039 five six two sixty four fifty weave bilified a voicemail anytime. I'm a Victor 205 00:12:50,120 --> 00:12:54,919 Chrysler Dodge Jeep ram line at five eight five two h six eighty eight sixty 206 00:12:54,919 --> 00:13:00,320 six. Hey, Bill, just caught up with a last couple of Concast 207 00:13:01,480 --> 00:13:05,440 and I hope you were kids. I hope you and Greg were kidding the 208 00:13:05,519 --> 00:13:09,440 bolt of vodka not having much sugar in it, and the other thing that 209 00:13:09,480 --> 00:13:13,519 I felt was hilarious. Remind me of the kid that made the joke about 210 00:13:13,639 --> 00:13:16,799 school bus monitor. You guys were talking about Marcas Stewart. I'm just glad 211 00:13:16,840 --> 00:13:24,279 and see that she finally won two SAG Awards. But anyways, you got 212 00:13:24,279 --> 00:13:28,480 to google Ripping in Tarn, buddy, because you guys are ripping in Taran. 213 00:13:28,039 --> 00:13:31,120 Can't wait to hear tonight, and be sure to like and subscribe to 214 00:13:31,200 --> 00:13:35,320 Milified wherever you get your podcast. I hope everybody's having a great kick off 215 00:13:35,360 --> 00:13:39,919 to summer twenty twenty three. So let's go back to when you were a 216 00:13:41,039 --> 00:13:43,600 kid and you started flying planes because you used to fly over the roof. 217 00:13:45,080 --> 00:13:48,159 I used to fly over our house. Yes, and our dad was redoing 218 00:13:48,159 --> 00:13:50,679 the roof, so it's him. A couple of years I did it. 219 00:13:50,799 --> 00:13:54,159 Did it? Oh? I don't remember that because he always says to me. 220 00:13:54,159 --> 00:13:56,559 He goes, yeah, your brother would fly over top and say, 221 00:13:56,639 --> 00:13:58,360 hey, you really need to get that done. It looks like ship from 222 00:13:58,360 --> 00:14:03,879 the sky. It did. You would have been a shame because I wasn't 223 00:14:03,879 --> 00:14:05,279 the only one that flew over it. But yeah, it was. It 224 00:14:05,360 --> 00:14:09,639 was. It was separate colors. Yeah, I didn't need there. It's 225 00:14:09,679 --> 00:14:13,720 probably about a fifteen month break there. Do you remember when he used to 226 00:14:13,720 --> 00:14:16,919 mow and then all of a sudden he would stop, and you'd have like 227 00:14:18,480 --> 00:14:20,240 in the lawn, like we had a big yard, but in the lawn 228 00:14:20,320 --> 00:14:24,039 you'd have the unmowed part and then the part that he did mow, but 229 00:14:24,120 --> 00:14:28,039 that then needed to be mowed again, so you had two levels. It 230 00:14:28,080 --> 00:14:33,240 was like you had a lawn that had a mullet. It was like feel 231 00:14:33,559 --> 00:14:37,240 you know what I'm saying. Yes, that's what it was, Morgan, 232 00:14:37,279 --> 00:14:39,559 That's exactly what it was. That's what our dad did. But but talk 233 00:14:39,639 --> 00:14:45,440 about your interest in planes. Did that come from our uncle being a pilot 234 00:14:45,519 --> 00:14:48,080 or where was that from? I think it came. And it's kind of 235 00:14:48,080 --> 00:14:50,720 funny because here we are in beautiful rhyme back New York. But it was, 236 00:14:50,919 --> 00:14:52,799 um, it might have been a little bit from you know, from 237 00:14:54,000 --> 00:14:56,720 his experience. But then also, you know, a field trip in first 238 00:14:56,720 --> 00:14:58,279 grade. So I kind of laugh because Dylan's going in the first grade, 239 00:15:00,039 --> 00:15:03,200 um and going to the rabbig airy drum flying in a biplane. So I 240 00:15:03,240 --> 00:15:07,039 think all of them, oh yeah, you know, kind of tied it 241 00:15:07,080 --> 00:15:09,399 together. You know, I was never a great student in high school. 242 00:15:09,399 --> 00:15:11,200 I think like you, we both were counting down the time to get you 243 00:15:11,279 --> 00:15:13,759 have to get out right and and you know, probably to our dutchment in 244 00:15:13,759 --> 00:15:18,120 some ways because we didn't study too hard. Um. But yeah, so 245 00:15:18,799 --> 00:15:22,519 you know, obviously the last kid and Marga Bill not carrying as much. 246 00:15:24,440 --> 00:15:26,159 I said, well, they swindle them into getting me flying lessons. So 247 00:15:26,320 --> 00:15:28,840 yeah, yeah, but you know it was great. But you were like 248 00:15:30,000 --> 00:15:31,879 fourteen when you started, weren't you. No, it was I think I 249 00:15:31,919 --> 00:15:35,000 had my license. I think I might because Dad kept all that. That 250 00:15:35,039 --> 00:15:37,759 may be true. I thought you had it when you were before your I 251 00:15:37,799 --> 00:15:41,120 thought you were flying before you had your drivers. No, because they would 252 00:15:41,120 --> 00:15:46,399 have had to driven into the airport. Because Dad used to say they were 253 00:15:46,519 --> 00:15:52,120 going to do that was a beautiful bicycle to ride a little. They did, 254 00:15:52,240 --> 00:15:56,440 didn't they? But another thing that I loved because I mean I took 255 00:15:56,519 --> 00:16:00,320 biking because you did, so you did. That's so funny. So what 256 00:16:00,360 --> 00:16:03,120 you've done is where my mother, by the way, it's in the room. 257 00:16:03,120 --> 00:16:06,519 We're at her house, doing this from her dining room. She's laying 258 00:16:06,519 --> 00:16:11,799 on the couch and giving us the peculiar look. But uh, my dad 259 00:16:11,000 --> 00:16:15,679 was very very proud of that for you, or as he would say, 260 00:16:15,759 --> 00:16:18,679 proud, yeah, proud for you. You can't be proud of someone, 261 00:16:18,679 --> 00:16:22,080 you have to be proud for you. But his point was that if you 262 00:16:22,200 --> 00:16:26,799 got any kind of trafficking fraction, you would lose the pilot's license. Yeah, 263 00:16:26,879 --> 00:16:30,440 so I had all kinds of trafficking fracts. I mean I had tickets, 264 00:16:30,519 --> 00:16:33,720 and I mean I was in trouble and arrested and it's a crap. 265 00:16:34,120 --> 00:16:37,720 So I had set the president. It wasn't hard to be better than me, 266 00:16:40,120 --> 00:16:42,279 that kind of stuff. But then from there, you when you graduated 267 00:16:42,399 --> 00:16:47,120 high school, flying was the thing. You went out to Indiana State, 268 00:16:47,200 --> 00:16:49,279 went to Indiana State and you're there, and that was kind of the first 269 00:16:49,279 --> 00:16:53,000 time really taking other classes and kind of looking outside and saying, hey, 270 00:16:53,000 --> 00:16:55,799 wait a minute, I don't you know, I don't want to be a 271 00:16:55,840 --> 00:16:59,639 pilot. There's someone where I want to learn. Yeah, which is funny 272 00:16:59,679 --> 00:17:03,080 because I never thought that I would think that way. Um, and then 273 00:17:03,159 --> 00:17:04,240 wound up Yeah, after one year, said hey you know, let me 274 00:17:04,240 --> 00:17:07,839 take a break. Let me so they pull back, let me, let 275 00:17:07,839 --> 00:17:10,519 me back up just a little bit, because I remember there was a restaurant 276 00:17:10,559 --> 00:17:12,480 and where we grew up. And even here in Rhyanbeck, you're ninety miles 277 00:17:12,480 --> 00:17:15,279 outside of Manhattan, there were a lot of very I used to call it 278 00:17:15,319 --> 00:17:18,240 the land of the hats and have nots, right, because you had people 279 00:17:18,319 --> 00:17:22,039 that really were I mean pick them up and put them anywhere. And they 280 00:17:22,039 --> 00:17:25,359 were rednecks, a rednecks, a redneck, right, you had kind of 281 00:17:25,400 --> 00:17:27,119 that. And then in the other end you had you know, I was 282 00:17:27,559 --> 00:17:32,440 doing landscaping in Mary Tyler Moore's house. You were a waiter, right, 283 00:17:32,559 --> 00:17:36,759 And it was Rick Rick o'kasick from the cars, but also the guy from 284 00:17:36,799 --> 00:17:41,400 FedEx. Yeah, and he was the one he said to you when you 285 00:17:41,440 --> 00:17:45,240 graduate. I thought he told you maybe I imagined all this. Did he 286 00:17:45,279 --> 00:17:48,839 say something to you about let me know when you graduate and he would get 287 00:17:48,839 --> 00:17:51,240 you a job as a pilot for FedEx? Right? Yeah, I mean 288 00:17:51,400 --> 00:17:53,480 I thought that was yeah. And again, so that was the interesting time 289 00:17:53,519 --> 00:17:56,680 though, because they came home right and went to community college? Did he 290 00:17:56,799 --> 00:18:02,720 hear? And I think going going to Indiana State from me longer I made 291 00:18:02,759 --> 00:18:06,799 sense because again, a lot of kids that are students at the time. 292 00:18:07,039 --> 00:18:10,039 You know, they're treating like its their thirteenth year when they were to community 293 00:18:10,039 --> 00:18:11,720 college. Ye what I did, But you had already done a year away, 294 00:18:11,839 --> 00:18:15,359 done a year, and I had gone back to recalibrate and to look 295 00:18:15,400 --> 00:18:18,799 at other things. Um, and I learned quickly that if you want to 296 00:18:18,839 --> 00:18:22,000 do well, take night classes, because everybody in the night classes going back 297 00:18:22,480 --> 00:18:27,119 better than themselves they're older. Yeah, So I took all my economic classes 298 00:18:27,160 --> 00:18:32,000 at night and through the community college at the community So but when you were 299 00:18:32,000 --> 00:18:36,440 flying, I had heard stories in Indiana that there were two incidents. Once 300 00:18:36,559 --> 00:18:40,279 there was an engine stall while you were in the air. I lost an 301 00:18:40,559 --> 00:18:42,400 uh no, what do they have? I had? And then there was 302 00:18:42,400 --> 00:18:45,119 a wind sheer. I thought I had a wind sheer in Poughkeepsie. A 303 00:18:45,279 --> 00:18:48,319 wind sheer in Poughkeepsie. See, yeah, where I thought I was gonna 304 00:18:48,319 --> 00:18:52,119 crash the plane. So the wind shears were two fronts collide and they basically 305 00:18:52,279 --> 00:18:56,519 the wind just shoots straight down and you'll see it in woods and stuff where 306 00:18:56,559 --> 00:18:59,559 it hits, and it's blunt trees and everything else. And again you take 307 00:18:59,599 --> 00:19:00,839 somebody and I got a young pilot, and it's probably not you know, 308 00:19:00,880 --> 00:19:03,440 making the best decisions. And you know, I remember I was turning and 309 00:19:03,440 --> 00:19:07,960 trying to land the plane and just dropped, you know, dropped a few 310 00:19:08,039 --> 00:19:11,759 hundred feet. Yeah, oh my good. Right. It took me a 311 00:19:11,799 --> 00:19:15,960 little bit. And I was like eighteen, nineteen years old. Um, 312 00:19:15,000 --> 00:19:21,599 so that was that I had in Indiana. I lost radios once. Um, 313 00:19:21,960 --> 00:19:26,319 flying up to Chicago and had to land and Kankakee. You know, 314 00:19:26,480 --> 00:19:30,640 fun stuff like that. Nothing, nothing too crazy. Um has something else 315 00:19:30,720 --> 00:19:34,640 happened too? I lost the airport trying to fly into West Lafayette. Purdue 316 00:19:36,519 --> 00:19:40,079 founded eventually, Yeah, but you know, but again, all all good 317 00:19:40,119 --> 00:19:45,240 learning experiences. So after a year, I went back to Pokeepsie did community 318 00:19:45,279 --> 00:19:48,400 college. And what I wanted to do because Kate had traveled, right, 319 00:19:48,440 --> 00:19:51,640 she's gone to Europe. I knew that if it's gonna be a pilot. 320 00:19:51,680 --> 00:19:55,000 My whole thought, right, you're eighteen year being I wouldn't be in Indiana 321 00:19:55,079 --> 00:19:57,039 until I get picked up by carrier or some sort. And I was like, 322 00:19:57,039 --> 00:20:00,680 I just didn't want to be in Indiana. Yeah, well, didn't 323 00:20:00,720 --> 00:20:06,359 you go to somebuddy from the college's house. They're all board again, preachers 324 00:20:06,400 --> 00:20:10,200 and everyone's sitting around and yeah, I mean somebody late down. Yeah, 325 00:20:10,240 --> 00:20:12,960 the guy lists his lag and rips out the largest part, you know, 326 00:20:14,000 --> 00:20:18,240 and yeah it's like the pastor and everybody like I'm like this play this is 327 00:20:18,279 --> 00:20:21,119 disgusting. Yeah, and again now I can sit around rip ass all day. 328 00:20:21,240 --> 00:20:23,000 No, I understand that, right, but um, you both can. 329 00:20:23,279 --> 00:20:30,720 That's right. So thanked it for Morgan she married it to but witness 330 00:20:30,759 --> 00:20:34,440 still at all. Yeah. My whole thing was I wanted to study abroad, 331 00:20:34,680 --> 00:20:37,960 and through the community college, I was able to come up with a 332 00:20:37,960 --> 00:20:41,000 program. I mean they signed off on anything bring in front of us, 333 00:20:41,000 --> 00:20:45,160 will do it. So through another school I was able to do because I 334 00:20:45,359 --> 00:20:47,960 lost a semester, credits and all the shit. So I wound up doing 335 00:20:47,960 --> 00:20:52,480 a full year at Duchess. Yeah, and then was able to do a 336 00:20:52,559 --> 00:20:56,680 semester in England to wrap it all up right, all right, Um, 337 00:20:56,839 --> 00:21:02,039 while I was at Duchess, that's and I was waiting tables right you're saying, 338 00:21:02,079 --> 00:21:03,400 So I was waiting on like Rick okay, sake may the time the 339 00:21:03,480 --> 00:21:08,559 more Liam Neeson that was Duchess. Okay, I got the timeline. Yeah, 340 00:21:08,559 --> 00:21:11,400 I was like doing the Duchess and you know, yeah, met the 341 00:21:11,400 --> 00:21:14,839 FedEx guy and all that stuff, and I was kind of going back and 342 00:21:14,880 --> 00:21:18,880 forth with if I wanted to fly again. Um, but I had these 343 00:21:18,880 --> 00:21:21,200 customers came into the end of the day and I remember it was like nine 344 00:21:21,200 --> 00:21:23,920 o'clock at night and like the person I had, they were in their section. 345 00:21:23,960 --> 00:21:26,319 They didn't want to wait the table. So I was like, yeah, 346 00:21:26,319 --> 00:21:27,480 I'll do it. So I started talking to him. I'm like, 347 00:21:27,519 --> 00:21:30,119 oh, yeah, what are you doing. I was like, oh, 348 00:21:30,119 --> 00:21:32,279 I'm going to community college just what I want to do, and I want 349 00:21:32,279 --> 00:21:33,880 to maybe be a lawyer. Like what you should look at Cornell? Yeah, 350 00:21:33,920 --> 00:21:36,960 there's no way in helling into Cornell. So there's no, no, 351 00:21:36,960 --> 00:21:40,160 no, there's a school labor relations school. Sounds like something you'd like to 352 00:21:40,200 --> 00:21:42,799 do. So I rode down on the cocktail napkin and then stuffed in my 353 00:21:42,839 --> 00:21:45,160 bag. When I went to Europe, I couldn't sleep at night. So 354 00:21:45,359 --> 00:21:48,759 you know, nobody had computers. You know, you didn't have your iPhones 355 00:21:48,839 --> 00:21:49,559 or any of that stuff. So I go to the computer lab and I 356 00:21:49,559 --> 00:21:56,599 started working on the application for Cornell and then did all the essays. So 357 00:21:56,640 --> 00:22:00,319 this is over over in England. I was Nottingham and him. Yeah, 358 00:22:00,519 --> 00:22:03,039 so you did do that, that's right. So just just to follow the 359 00:22:03,039 --> 00:22:07,039 path Indiana, Indiana, you went to Duchess, but you went to Duchess, 360 00:22:07,119 --> 00:22:11,599 you took night classes knowing that that's where the more serious student was, 361 00:22:11,880 --> 00:22:14,640 right, not the person who's going to treat it like the thirteenth grade. 362 00:22:15,160 --> 00:22:18,519 Then through there you decided, Hey, I want to really go over to 363 00:22:18,559 --> 00:22:21,519 Europe. I'm going to find a way through the community college to make that 364 00:22:21,599 --> 00:22:26,119 happen. Yeah, what's the motivation with all this stuff? So what? 365 00:22:26,440 --> 00:22:32,079 Because here's the thing. It's like, there's no uh, there's nothing in 366 00:22:32,119 --> 00:22:34,480 you that's saying I can't do You understand what I'm saying. Like, there's 367 00:22:34,480 --> 00:22:38,559 no you don't have any barriers that are in your mind even to say I 368 00:22:38,599 --> 00:22:41,599 can't do this well. And that's the thing. Is it because people had 369 00:22:41,599 --> 00:22:45,359 done it like Katie our sister had gone before or oh no, it's an 370 00:22:45,400 --> 00:22:48,559 adventure, right, you just got to keep plotting an atle it's an adventure. 371 00:22:48,640 --> 00:22:51,960 And you know, and again, if you start telling other people, 372 00:22:52,039 --> 00:22:53,559 right, a lot of people are gonna doubt what you do. Oh yeah, 373 00:22:53,599 --> 00:22:57,039 I'm a big I'm a big don't tell anybody. And you know, 374 00:22:57,119 --> 00:23:00,480 so I mean you could you could keep asking people, well, you know, 375 00:23:00,559 --> 00:23:02,480 for advice, right, you know, and they'll tell you what they 376 00:23:02,480 --> 00:23:03,799 think. And they're doing it, you know, out of the kindness, 377 00:23:03,880 --> 00:23:07,920 highness and safety people, you know. And you know, when you're twenty, 378 00:23:07,960 --> 00:23:11,559 you don't have much to lose. You have money, Yeah, I 379 00:23:11,559 --> 00:23:14,799 owe thirty three, When when do we have mouth? And I realized, 380 00:23:14,799 --> 00:23:18,200 shit, there's some stuff. You were a little older than I was, 381 00:23:18,319 --> 00:23:26,079 but um, thirty two. You were thirty two. She's ten ten um. 382 00:23:26,519 --> 00:23:27,240 So when I was thirty three, I knew it was time to grow 383 00:23:27,319 --> 00:23:30,319 up. Yeah, but you're also at this period of time, you were 384 00:23:30,640 --> 00:23:34,599 substitute teaching. Yes, in the area. No, no, no, 385 00:23:34,599 --> 00:23:40,559 no, that that's a little further down the road. So what happened was 386 00:23:40,720 --> 00:23:42,480 I do remember this? Yeah, but wait, hang on though, don't 387 00:23:42,519 --> 00:23:47,039 don't get too far because you go, you do this, you get to 388 00:23:47,400 --> 00:23:51,240 England and yeah, and then you start filling out the Cornell application Cornell application, 389 00:23:51,279 --> 00:23:55,599 and I had nothing else. So I had nothing else I was thinking 390 00:23:55,599 --> 00:23:56,599 of. I thought, well, shit, I could go to Saint John 391 00:23:56,599 --> 00:24:00,200 Fisher maybe like study history. And I would go because well, they paid 392 00:24:00,240 --> 00:24:07,119 for you, they'd have to pay for me. But I applied to no 393 00:24:07,200 --> 00:24:11,039 other schools although I didn't and I didn't know, you know, like I 394 00:24:11,160 --> 00:24:14,680 kind of knew it was an Ivy League school. How that meant I knew 395 00:24:14,680 --> 00:24:15,559 all the smart kids in my school went there, right, all the kids 396 00:24:15,799 --> 00:24:19,720 grew up. And so it was I don't want to say there was this 397 00:24:19,759 --> 00:24:23,599 innocence, but there was just not knowing. I wouldn't even say being naive. 398 00:24:25,039 --> 00:24:27,440 Just dumb fucking luck, that's all it was. Um. So I 399 00:24:27,519 --> 00:24:33,759 started filling out the application and then UM, you know, paid for it 400 00:24:33,799 --> 00:24:37,519 whatever day. I gave me this credit card to do and did it online 401 00:24:37,640 --> 00:24:40,400 for whatever, ninety bucks for the thing. I was like, I'm okay, 402 00:24:40,440 --> 00:24:42,559 let's see what happens. Um. And then they called and said it 403 00:24:42,559 --> 00:24:45,839 were to send an email or whatever and saying we really want you to come 404 00:24:45,880 --> 00:24:47,880 in for an interview. I was like, I apologize, I'm in Europe, 405 00:24:47,920 --> 00:24:48,960 I can't do it. That's fine, we'll do a phone interview. 406 00:24:49,039 --> 00:24:53,279 So that's great. And it was like nine o'clock at night because it was 407 00:24:53,440 --> 00:24:57,400 five or six hours out of time, and um, so that day, 408 00:24:57,599 --> 00:25:00,119 you know, it was living in a sweet with all these guys and I 409 00:25:00,279 --> 00:25:04,039 vacuumed my room. I tighted everything up. And the funny thing is, 410 00:25:04,039 --> 00:25:07,799 out of all my college experiences, the guys I stay in contact with the 411 00:25:07,839 --> 00:25:11,119 most are the ones from England. Yeah they are. We're like Fozzie Steve 412 00:25:11,279 --> 00:25:18,799 right from Australia and Scottish Scottish and John and John and we see them annually. 413 00:25:18,119 --> 00:25:22,079 Yeah. John and John was the other. He was the He was 414 00:25:22,079 --> 00:25:26,440 your typical American, the ugly American that would hear. And we've been and 415 00:25:26,480 --> 00:25:29,359 we've all been great friends over twenty years. Yeah, so we're we're all 416 00:25:29,400 --> 00:25:33,400 really close. Is it all those guys that you did the uh you went 417 00:25:33,440 --> 00:25:36,680 to who got married in Italy? Yeah? Yeah, and then you did 418 00:25:36,680 --> 00:25:41,880 the calendart Scottish scott Scottish, that calendar, the calendar that our grandmother loved. 419 00:25:41,960 --> 00:25:45,960 You guys all they all got naked, but they strategically invine in a 420 00:25:47,039 --> 00:25:52,000 vineyard and had these pictures. Who took the pictures? Stacy's wife wife and 421 00:25:52,440 --> 00:25:55,720 your guy? Were you all naked? Were naked? We had our nuts 422 00:25:55,720 --> 00:25:57,559 coming out of like the leaf. Great, Yeah, we're all. Yeah, 423 00:25:57,599 --> 00:26:00,960 we're like rolling around the dumbest stuff, and she took the pictures. 424 00:26:02,039 --> 00:26:06,000 Yeah, she had to be laughing her ass off. We all still have 425 00:26:06,160 --> 00:26:08,559 the calendar in our home. Our grandmother had the calendar and she used to 426 00:26:08,599 --> 00:26:11,799 say to me all time, Oh, Billy, did you see Kevin's calendar? 427 00:26:12,039 --> 00:26:15,440 That like it was the greatest thing. But this is what I'm talking 428 00:26:15,440 --> 00:26:18,960 about. So all this serious stuff and then all that, well, you 429 00:26:18,960 --> 00:26:22,480 gotta have fun. I mean, that's well, I'm believe me. I'm 430 00:26:22,519 --> 00:26:25,839 a big believer in that. But okay, so the Cornell thing you do 431 00:26:25,880 --> 00:26:27,880 the interview, what is that like over the phone? Had to be weird. 432 00:26:29,200 --> 00:26:30,880 It's totally weird, you know. And I you know, I put 433 00:26:30,880 --> 00:26:33,279 on a button down sure I remember, I like, you said a fact 434 00:26:33,279 --> 00:26:34,680 of my room. I wrote down questions I thought they would ask. Yeah, 435 00:26:34,759 --> 00:26:38,680 But as though, So here's the interesting thing. This is a time 436 00:26:38,720 --> 00:26:44,160 where we don't have FaceTime. There's no zoom. They can't see you you're 437 00:26:44,160 --> 00:26:48,039 cleaning your room. But all that stuff does to me, gets you in 438 00:26:48,039 --> 00:26:49,599 the right frame of mind, right, gets you in the right frame of 439 00:26:49,599 --> 00:26:52,599 mind. I think that putting on a button down shirt, if I'm doing 440 00:26:52,599 --> 00:26:56,480 an interview, it's the same thing I say about going into the emergency room, 441 00:26:56,519 --> 00:26:59,680 you're gonna get treated better. But also the thing I never say is 442 00:27:00,160 --> 00:27:04,799 better about yourself. Yeah yeah, you're in Yeah, but yeah I mean 443 00:27:04,799 --> 00:27:07,720 it. And for me it was like, you know, listen, I'm 444 00:27:07,759 --> 00:27:11,000 not I'm not a great student, never was, you know. So you're 445 00:27:11,000 --> 00:27:14,799 talking about somebody who's like a's and bees. You know, I'm not like 446 00:27:15,039 --> 00:27:18,559 I'm about breaking down any walls. But these campuses are trying to have well 447 00:27:18,720 --> 00:27:22,039 rounded So somebody who's been to Europe, who was in flight school, I 448 00:27:22,039 --> 00:27:26,279 mean, you've got some stuff here. Yeah. Yeah. So did the 449 00:27:26,279 --> 00:27:30,799 whole interview, and then it was like I was coming home for Christmas and 450 00:27:30,960 --> 00:27:36,799 the issue was finals at U in England. They were in January, all 451 00:27:36,880 --> 00:27:38,799 right. I was coming home and Kate said, hey, the mail came 452 00:27:38,839 --> 00:27:41,240 because I think Katie was home at the time, and she's like, there's 453 00:27:41,279 --> 00:27:45,440 something from Cornell's like open, just like you didn't get in, so go, 454 00:27:45,440 --> 00:27:48,759 oh my god, you got in. So I was like, oh 455 00:27:48,839 --> 00:27:52,680 shit, because did you now where were you? I was in England? 456 00:27:52,759 --> 00:27:56,319 Okay, she opened? Did you think she was fucking with you? No? 457 00:27:56,400 --> 00:27:59,200 Because Katie and I no, no, we have a pretty honest relationship 458 00:27:59,440 --> 00:28:03,119 and sure, you know Dylan and MoU so like yeah, and that was 459 00:28:03,240 --> 00:28:06,279 yeah, and that was a cool thing. So yes, she over and 460 00:28:06,279 --> 00:28:07,559 I'm like, oh shit, this is great, but I still have stake 461 00:28:07,599 --> 00:28:11,440 finals. I'm like, let me tip this. And I didn't want to 462 00:28:11,759 --> 00:28:15,000 um, and I didn't want to go to college right away. I still 463 00:28:15,000 --> 00:28:18,839 wanted to take time off. So you know, I called them and said, 464 00:28:18,880 --> 00:28:22,759 hey, thanks, I got in for the spring semester, but um, 465 00:28:22,759 --> 00:28:25,480 I wanted to defer and they said, okay, you can refer to 466 00:28:25,480 --> 00:28:27,599 the fault, but why, I'm like, starcing back back Europe. So 467 00:28:29,200 --> 00:28:33,279 and he did. I did so. Yeah. I took my finals and 468 00:28:33,799 --> 00:28:37,200 was kicked out of the dorm and you know, flew to to I think 469 00:28:37,200 --> 00:28:42,279 it, flew to Barcelona and had a rail pass and had no idea what 470 00:28:42,359 --> 00:28:44,839 the fuck I was doing. Yeah, and I was like, well, 471 00:28:44,839 --> 00:28:48,680 I'm going to figure it out. So I made my way into Barcelona and 472 00:28:48,759 --> 00:28:52,440 spent a couple of nights and spoke some hash on the beach and any by 473 00:28:52,440 --> 00:28:56,920 way around Europe for about sixty days wow, And then wound up back in 474 00:28:56,960 --> 00:29:02,319 England. I saw my buddies and then flew back home. What was the 475 00:29:02,599 --> 00:29:04,960 what was that sixty days? Like? It was great? Yeah, it 476 00:29:06,039 --> 00:29:07,599 was great. It was exciting. You know, it was before the year 477 00:29:07,599 --> 00:29:11,240 scary at all? No, nothing, no, no, there was never 478 00:29:11,279 --> 00:29:14,720 a scary time. Okay, um, And that's what I always think. 479 00:29:14,759 --> 00:29:17,039 It's kind of cool. But I've never had a period of my life where 480 00:29:17,119 --> 00:29:21,559 oh my god, I'm really scared. Yeah, but yeah, you know, 481 00:29:21,559 --> 00:29:25,039 it's before the euro. So you know, every country had its own 482 00:29:25,319 --> 00:29:27,880 currency, right, so when I started to run though on money, I 483 00:29:27,880 --> 00:29:30,359 could just go to the next country. I didn't want to get any more 484 00:29:30,400 --> 00:29:34,880 out of the ATM and uh yeah, So I did Spain and wound up 485 00:29:34,880 --> 00:29:38,559 in Portugal and then back into Spain. It worked my way through south of 486 00:29:38,559 --> 00:29:41,119 France, and then Dad was teaching at the time. He came out and 487 00:29:41,119 --> 00:29:45,720 he met me, uh in oxon Provence in France, and I again, 488 00:29:45,759 --> 00:29:49,119 you're talking before cell phones or anything, and we kind of just randomly met 489 00:29:49,200 --> 00:29:53,119 in the train station and went to Nice, France, and he went with 490 00:29:53,119 --> 00:29:56,640 me, I think, to Italy and then he flew at the Milan and 491 00:29:56,680 --> 00:30:00,920 I made my way down gosh where the I wound up in Rome, caught 492 00:30:02,000 --> 00:30:06,319 the ash Wednesday Mass that the Pope. I got some special tickets for it. 493 00:30:06,400 --> 00:30:08,559 Interesting, how did you get those? Because those are ones that pretty 494 00:30:08,599 --> 00:30:15,240 high demand. Yeah. It was funny because I was walking through Aunt Sharon, 495 00:30:15,640 --> 00:30:19,279 you know, she wanted some reckless metal of some sort and again not 496 00:30:19,319 --> 00:30:22,200 being a Catholic or any of that stuff. So I went to the gift 497 00:30:22,200 --> 00:30:23,440 shop and I got it, and I said, hey, are these blest 498 00:30:23,480 --> 00:30:26,359 and like, yes, everything in the Vatican is blasted, okay, And 499 00:30:26,400 --> 00:30:30,440 then she said, you know what, I have tickets to the I have 500 00:30:30,480 --> 00:30:33,799 tickets to um the Pope's private Mass. If you want to go to it 501 00:30:33,839 --> 00:30:36,759 tomorrow. Great. It's like we got to show up back by store at 502 00:30:36,759 --> 00:30:41,000 seven thirty in the morning. So I'm across town in this hostel and I'm 503 00:30:41,000 --> 00:30:42,480 like, oh, I need to kind of look somewhat nice, and you 504 00:30:42,519 --> 00:30:45,400 know, your back back of for a few weeks. So I wound up 505 00:30:48,039 --> 00:30:52,000 getting there and then you're scored into the back and I have this golden ticket. 506 00:30:52,039 --> 00:30:53,200 It was really cool. I still have the ticket in our basement. 507 00:30:53,839 --> 00:30:56,960 Yeah. Um. And then wound up back there. I'm like, this 508 00:30:57,000 --> 00:31:00,400 is gonna be amazing. Like I'm just thinking, like here, I am 509 00:31:00,440 --> 00:31:02,759 and I'm like, oh my gosh, all these Catholics around. It was 510 00:31:02,799 --> 00:31:07,960 like going to a cheerleading event. It was people look like they just rolled 511 00:31:08,000 --> 00:31:11,400 in there. They're screaming, they're announcing the different organizations. They're all getting 512 00:31:11,519 --> 00:31:14,960 up, they're channing, they're doing it. And I'm like, holy shit, 513 00:31:15,119 --> 00:31:17,559 these people. Like I thought it was gonna be like, you know, 514 00:31:17,640 --> 00:31:21,240 like you're watching the Coronation or something, not at all. And and 515 00:31:21,279 --> 00:31:22,920 it was cool. So that was Pope John Paul, and it was just 516 00:31:22,960 --> 00:31:26,720 amazing, Like you're in this private chapel and you know, you think it's 517 00:31:26,759 --> 00:31:29,960 gonna be this amazing thing. It's this old like Art deco in nineteen sixties 518 00:31:29,960 --> 00:31:33,079 building. But yeah, but it's away from everything else, you see. 519 00:31:33,160 --> 00:31:36,039 So that was a cool thing. And then I wound up i think in 520 00:31:36,079 --> 00:31:38,240 Greece, and then made my way up into Switzerland and some other places. 521 00:31:38,640 --> 00:31:42,920 Wow. Yeah, yeah, that was into Switzerland too, huh. Spent 522 00:31:44,079 --> 00:31:45,839 Yeah, I spent like three or four days in Switzerland. Yeah, I 523 00:31:45,880 --> 00:31:51,079 didn't I didn't know any of this. Check was in the check Yeah, 524 00:31:51,759 --> 00:31:55,759 Germany all you know. And you know, so when you went through you 525 00:31:55,799 --> 00:31:59,359 were in youth hostels. Yeah, stayed in youth hostels all the way through. 526 00:32:00,079 --> 00:32:01,119 Um, if you can make it work, you know, you'd sleep 527 00:32:01,119 --> 00:32:04,599 on a train sometimes, you know, sometimes you just stayed up all night. 528 00:32:04,839 --> 00:32:07,240 Yeah, and he just you know it just did random stuff. Um 529 00:32:08,160 --> 00:32:14,359 yeah. And I think my favorite was I was stuck in Bruge in Belgium. 530 00:32:14,440 --> 00:32:16,720 There's a train strike and I stuck for like three days. And if 531 00:32:16,720 --> 00:32:20,640 there's any place to be stuck at Bruge, Belgium, I mean it is 532 00:32:20,799 --> 00:32:23,400 amazing. And I learned how to play dice with a guy who claims he 533 00:32:23,480 --> 00:32:29,279 was some the Godfathers, some mafia out there and dry all kinds of great 534 00:32:29,279 --> 00:32:31,799 wheat beers and it was fun. It was really cool. And then made 535 00:32:31,839 --> 00:32:36,759 my way into Paris and spent some days there and then went worked my way 536 00:32:36,799 --> 00:32:39,680 back into England. Yeah there for a few days. That's that's amazing. 537 00:32:40,279 --> 00:32:44,839 But I mean just to have the like again, the balls in the in 538 00:32:44,920 --> 00:32:47,000 the idea to figure it out. I mean I've had some of that myself, 539 00:32:47,000 --> 00:32:51,039 but not to that level where I went and did these kind of things. 540 00:32:51,039 --> 00:32:52,480 But it wasn't like you were jumping off a ledge, right because again 541 00:32:52,880 --> 00:32:55,519 you're there in Europe, right, and I had done some trips, so 542 00:32:55,559 --> 00:32:59,480 we you know, my buddies, the guys I'm still friends with, you 543 00:32:59,519 --> 00:33:02,359 know, were at some greenpeace type organizations, so we could get a trip 544 00:33:02,400 --> 00:33:10,680 for ten pounds too, and we stuck it and then and we we blew 545 00:33:10,759 --> 00:33:14,240 up. We were the we were at the at the Higue and it was 546 00:33:14,279 --> 00:33:17,200 like, you know, there was rioting and it was all over the Kyoto 547 00:33:17,240 --> 00:33:20,839 protocol. Yeah, we didn't know what that was going on, right, 548 00:33:20,920 --> 00:33:23,880 So there's all these police and shields. We're there riding with everybody chanting and 549 00:33:24,079 --> 00:33:28,160 hockey and then we're supposed to do a day too, and we're like that, 550 00:33:28,200 --> 00:33:30,960 we're gonna go, and we left. We went up to Amsterdam. 551 00:33:30,960 --> 00:33:37,400 The goal was to go and get stoned. Yeah, we bought off the 552 00:33:37,440 --> 00:33:40,440 bus driver. They're interviewing the guy from Australia because he's got that you know 553 00:33:40,519 --> 00:33:46,240 Australian. Yeah, I'm going yeah Austi. Yeah, gets interviewed on TV 554 00:33:47,119 --> 00:33:52,079 by like I mean, now the guys like a secret cop in Australia. 555 00:33:52,160 --> 00:33:54,000 But yeah, but yeah, so all these things like so you did all 556 00:33:54,000 --> 00:33:58,799 these small trips, so like it wasn't like you're diving into the unknown. 557 00:33:58,839 --> 00:34:00,799 Because he got it right, got to Ireland. But but but it sort 558 00:34:00,839 --> 00:34:06,880 of is the unknown in that it's not as though somebody in the family had 559 00:34:06,920 --> 00:34:10,280 done that. Yeah, you know, nobody had done that, right like 560 00:34:10,400 --> 00:34:15,119 Kate did. She didn't do that. She didn't do that. I don't 561 00:34:15,119 --> 00:34:16,239 know what she did. I don't think I don't think she did that. 562 00:34:16,440 --> 00:34:21,280 I think she certainly traveled and that and and I don't mean that anyway. 563 00:34:21,280 --> 00:34:25,039 I'm just saying like she didn't do hostels in sixty days backpacking through Europe. 564 00:34:25,679 --> 00:34:29,960 So you wrap that up and then you come back and you go to Cornell. 565 00:34:30,239 --> 00:34:31,440 Well, no, I came back and then I had to wait table 566 00:34:31,559 --> 00:34:35,119 she was right, because I'm penniless. Is now in April? Oh you 567 00:34:35,239 --> 00:34:38,119 came back in April? Yeah, yeah, okay, So then yeah, 568 00:34:38,119 --> 00:34:42,679 I wound up at Cornell all right, time out because I want to I 569 00:34:42,719 --> 00:34:45,000 want to go. I want to do the Cornell because we came to visit 570 00:34:45,039 --> 00:34:52,320 you, and I was very impressed with what something you did at Cornell. 571 00:34:53,000 --> 00:34:58,079 When Jackson, your nephew, who's now like six seven and twenty two years 572 00:34:58,119 --> 00:35:00,239 old, was a baby, he was eleven months and all the girls in 573 00:35:00,280 --> 00:35:04,880 the dorm came out and they were all cooling con over him. But the 574 00:35:04,920 --> 00:35:07,000 funny part is, just like what you had done, I thought this was 575 00:35:07,119 --> 00:35:10,599 very interesting. And then we'll get into Cornell and after Cornell, and that's 576 00:35:10,679 --> 00:35:15,199 where something happened that I was always impressed. 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I mean, I know you don't 603 00:37:00,719 --> 00:37:04,679 think so, or maybe you don't think so, but I find it really 604 00:37:04,679 --> 00:37:07,360 interesting. I had no idea. I'm learning stuff about you that are very 605 00:37:07,440 --> 00:37:10,559 very busy. You you know, you're we're different parts in our life, 606 00:37:10,679 --> 00:37:15,440 right, Yeah. But I mean I think that I had a singular focus, 607 00:37:15,920 --> 00:37:21,039 and that was to be on the radio and much probably like you with 608 00:37:21,119 --> 00:37:24,039 flying, I got there pretty early, you know. Um, and then 609 00:37:24,280 --> 00:37:29,440 I even when I went to Fisher, Uh why, I had to take 610 00:37:29,440 --> 00:37:31,280 a year off and I wound up living with our uncle for a summer and 611 00:37:31,760 --> 00:37:35,440 coming back and I needed to get a job. At that point. Dad 612 00:37:35,480 --> 00:37:37,079 used to just send me money to party at Fisher. I don't know if 613 00:37:37,079 --> 00:37:39,360 you need this, like every two weeks fifty dollars should show. Yeah, 614 00:37:39,360 --> 00:37:42,559 he would send anybody. Yeah, that never happened for us. So again, 615 00:37:42,679 --> 00:37:45,000 so let's get back and the things that you impacted. What did I 616 00:37:45,000 --> 00:37:52,440 impack? Yeah? Yeah, well I had to pay my own insurance. 617 00:37:52,199 --> 00:37:54,320 That I did. I always did. I always had to pay my own 618 00:37:54,320 --> 00:37:58,519 insurance. That's good. Yeah, But the free car, you're right, 619 00:37:58,599 --> 00:38:00,639 I did. I wrote in the free car are for everybody. I remember 620 00:38:00,679 --> 00:38:02,599 that, and then Dad would send me money. But then when they went 621 00:38:02,639 --> 00:38:05,599 back the last year, he said, you got to get a job, 622 00:38:05,920 --> 00:38:08,320 and so I just sent a tape to see him f and they hired me, 623 00:38:08,920 --> 00:38:13,920 and I just I stayed and that and that was it. But I 624 00:38:14,519 --> 00:38:17,760 admire all this shit you did, because then there's Cornells. Now we go 625 00:38:17,880 --> 00:38:23,159 up to visit Kevin at Cornell and at the time, I'm married and Jackson's 626 00:38:23,159 --> 00:38:27,119 a baby. He's eleven months old and I am. I think Jenna might 627 00:38:27,159 --> 00:38:30,039 have been pregnant with Jordan at the time. I don't know because he was 628 00:38:30,440 --> 00:38:32,760 there only sixteen months apart. These guys, so we're around there. So 629 00:38:32,920 --> 00:38:38,840 he Kevin had put up, had been already hired by a sorority to come 630 00:38:38,840 --> 00:38:45,880 and juggle fire. Don't remember Kevin had put up. If you are looking 631 00:38:46,039 --> 00:38:51,840 for you put you know how they have these bulletin boards and it's like some 632 00:38:51,880 --> 00:38:55,159 people put numbers, you know, guitar lesson or laundry service or whatever. 633 00:38:55,280 --> 00:39:00,239 Pull Kevin made one with Hey, girls, if you're looking for somebody who 634 00:39:00,239 --> 00:39:04,559 will fall down, and just to make you laugh, the jester flo yes, 635 00:39:04,679 --> 00:39:07,199 the Jester. He had this whole thing. There were all these girls. 636 00:39:07,199 --> 00:39:10,280 We walked in, girls he had been on campus for two weeks. 637 00:39:10,320 --> 00:39:15,320 Morgan. We walked in, and everybody's like, oh Kevin Kevin, Yeah, 638 00:39:15,360 --> 00:39:19,480 we love Kevin. Kevin had already juggled Fire out of the corporate STI 639 00:39:20,000 --> 00:39:24,880 picked him up to Jungle Fire Kevin Jungle Fire hold on. So I to 640 00:39:24,960 --> 00:39:30,719 say something here, up up to this point in the conversation, I've known 641 00:39:30,800 --> 00:39:36,440 all of this up to you didn't know this moment. I forgot no clue. 642 00:39:36,559 --> 00:39:38,280 Well, why would you know about you were the sixth floor Jester, 643 00:39:39,480 --> 00:39:45,880 I mean you are? You are he did this our current um friend group 644 00:39:46,039 --> 00:39:52,320 and our lifestyle. Yeah, I knew all of these other Oh no, 645 00:39:52,360 --> 00:39:54,400 he put this. He put all this stuff up on the boat and board 646 00:39:54,639 --> 00:39:58,840 and there were these girls and like all these little girls who came out and 647 00:39:58,840 --> 00:40:04,239 they're like, oh you're you're Kevin's nephew. Oh hi. David Jackson's like 648 00:40:04,320 --> 00:40:07,679 he doesn't know. He's just bombing around the hallways. Yeah, running around 649 00:40:07,679 --> 00:40:09,159 and yeah, and we had to change him in your doll. This is 650 00:40:09,159 --> 00:40:15,639 good because I feel like this is um foreshadowing for Dylan to be honest, 651 00:40:15,199 --> 00:40:19,639 it is your son. Yeah, why what do you mean? I mean 652 00:40:19,719 --> 00:40:23,360 you've met him, Like Dylan's always out to make you laugh and crack a 653 00:40:23,440 --> 00:40:28,840 joke, and sure he I mean he told you earlier in his interview with 654 00:40:28,920 --> 00:40:31,280 you he wants to be a donutmaker, right, Like he just wants to 655 00:40:31,320 --> 00:40:37,679 have fun and make people happy. Right. So yeah, this one, 656 00:40:37,920 --> 00:40:42,400 this is a good one. I've never heard. But see, that's like 657 00:40:42,440 --> 00:40:45,320 I keep trying to peppering in because that whole thing in the beginning where you 658 00:40:45,360 --> 00:40:50,199 talk about your job, and that's it sounds high pressure. You've got guys 659 00:40:50,199 --> 00:40:52,360 who are flying in on private jets and they're there for one reason. They 660 00:40:52,360 --> 00:40:55,440 want to make sure that they're invested, they're getting their running confident. Right. 661 00:40:55,519 --> 00:40:59,239 Yes, they want to feel confident their investments, right, But so 662 00:40:59,320 --> 00:41:02,159 you have to. But but here's the thing. You have to instill that 663 00:41:02,239 --> 00:41:07,360 confident in confidence in them right in what you're doing. So that's a serious 664 00:41:07,480 --> 00:41:10,840 job. And yet on the other side, this is the guy who you 665 00:41:10,960 --> 00:41:15,119 like, was just clowning around and doing all kinds of funny and silly shit 666 00:41:15,639 --> 00:41:17,800 and still hold on because like, listen, I go to these meetings too, 667 00:41:17,840 --> 00:41:23,480 and I've got like brownies and gray rabbits are gray hairs, and I'm 668 00:41:23,519 --> 00:41:27,119 whipping out all these little things out of my pocket. Out of these guys, 669 00:41:27,519 --> 00:41:31,039 I've I've shot chickens atto before you got Yeah, the owners, right 670 00:41:31,239 --> 00:41:35,719 guys, because you have to keep they have to buy into you. Yes, 671 00:41:35,880 --> 00:41:37,800 and so so I always realized you have to have a little bit of 672 00:41:38,159 --> 00:41:42,440 humor with anyone. Yeah, so they can feel and they can feel like 673 00:41:42,480 --> 00:41:46,360 human element. To the point where you've taken me to a U haul storage 674 00:41:46,360 --> 00:41:52,360 facility to meet former old clowns. Well, they're having a deal. They 675 00:41:52,400 --> 00:41:57,719 were they were having a s they were retiring, they were selling their equipment. 676 00:41:58,079 --> 00:42:00,360 And you said, I need some of these things for some of my 677 00:42:00,480 --> 00:42:06,800 meetings. And we had to show up to groups in Maine to a have 678 00:42:06,880 --> 00:42:10,880 some here. Yeah. Wait, you you pull these clown tricks. Oh 679 00:42:12,199 --> 00:42:14,840 yes, whatever, hold on one. I remember I'm in a meeting. 680 00:42:14,880 --> 00:42:17,199 I'm loaded. I've got some kind of clown ship in one of my pockets. 681 00:42:17,239 --> 00:42:20,880 Like, oh yeah about I mean, I've had like the owners, 682 00:42:20,880 --> 00:42:24,519 and is it to break the breaks? You know? And and and what 683 00:42:24,559 --> 00:42:29,960 I've learned again, you know, it's everything psychology to some extent, but 684 00:42:30,039 --> 00:42:32,440 they need, as I was trying to say before, they need to see 685 00:42:32,440 --> 00:42:37,559 that human element. They need it, right because you can deal with you 686 00:42:37,559 --> 00:42:38,920 know, people just talking numbers all day. You'll be out of your fucking 687 00:42:38,920 --> 00:42:42,719 mind because they're boring a shit. But you know you have to you have 688 00:42:42,760 --> 00:42:45,199 to be able to breefe life into the numbers. Yeah. And that's and 689 00:42:45,239 --> 00:42:47,199 that's kind of what what that does. I can helps break it up. 690 00:42:47,239 --> 00:42:51,400 So that's, you know, just something I've learned over the years. Um. 691 00:42:51,440 --> 00:42:54,280 But yeah, so Cornell, Right, so there was that and well 692 00:42:54,320 --> 00:43:00,159 we yeah, let's go back. But Cornell love Yeah, I love it 693 00:43:00,239 --> 00:43:02,559 there. Um, I love the school. I really like the labor relations 694 00:43:02,559 --> 00:43:07,440 school. Was a small, intimate group. Um. But what was so 695 00:43:07,760 --> 00:43:13,360 different is that I learned there that there was a world of people and a 696 00:43:13,440 --> 00:43:16,039 lifestyle that I had never seen before. Yeah. You know, you had 697 00:43:16,159 --> 00:43:21,320 kids that you know, went to boarding schools and they were they were they 698 00:43:21,360 --> 00:43:23,199 were raised to go to a school better than Cornell, and they just didn't 699 00:43:23,199 --> 00:43:29,679 get in. Um and you know, they they had privilege, losing out 700 00:43:29,719 --> 00:43:31,960 of every poor Yeah. Um, and I just remember being like, holy 701 00:43:32,000 --> 00:43:36,960 shit, this is kind of funny because I didn't, you know, and 702 00:43:37,000 --> 00:43:37,679 I don't mean it that way, but like I didn't, I did. 703 00:43:37,800 --> 00:43:42,840 Well, we didn't even understand it. And these were Hampton's and flying off 704 00:43:42,840 --> 00:43:45,159 the Europe people. Yeah, these are you know, it's the Corps family, 705 00:43:45,679 --> 00:43:50,000 is the Johnson and Johnson family. You know, there's a lot like 706 00:43:50,119 --> 00:43:52,800 that, you know, legacy families that were there, you know, five 707 00:43:52,840 --> 00:43:54,960 generations that went to the same school, you know. And and it was 708 00:43:55,000 --> 00:43:58,719 cool because you know, two ways you look at it was like, oh 709 00:43:58,760 --> 00:44:00,719 my god, I don't belong here, Like, holy shit, this is 710 00:44:00,719 --> 00:44:02,440 really cool. Yeah, I'm here with these people. We're all kind of 711 00:44:02,440 --> 00:44:07,199 going after the same thing. Yeah. Um. And I think for me 712 00:44:07,239 --> 00:44:09,480 going into a couple of years later, right, I think it's like twenty 713 00:44:09,480 --> 00:44:14,719 one when I finally got there, Um, was beneficial, you know. 714 00:44:14,840 --> 00:44:17,239 And and then I had some buddies and some guys that lived in my floor 715 00:44:17,280 --> 00:44:20,400 that you know, had done the Navy for a couple of years and like 716 00:44:20,400 --> 00:44:25,079 they pretty much dropped out of high school to the Navy Community College, um, 717 00:44:25,719 --> 00:44:30,320 and then wound up at at Cornell. One of my good buddies he 718 00:44:30,360 --> 00:44:32,519 went on to law school and he had into Harvard and he had into the 719 00:44:32,599 --> 00:44:36,719 University of Chicago. There was a great law school, some of the best 720 00:44:36,760 --> 00:44:39,199 of the country, both of them, and he and he's like, yeah, 721 00:44:39,440 --> 00:44:42,199 I got more money, I think. He's yeah, I got more 722 00:44:42,239 --> 00:44:44,760 money to go to Harvard's like, but they're just too pretentious. So yeah, 723 00:44:44,760 --> 00:44:45,599 he's like, I don't want to go there. So was the University 724 00:44:45,599 --> 00:44:51,360 of Chicago another like the Ivy League of the Right, and so it was 725 00:44:51,400 --> 00:44:54,920 neat Right, You're dealing with people like of all different shapes and sizes, 726 00:44:55,000 --> 00:44:59,440 especially the ones that transferred in because at the time they had a dorm the 727 00:44:59,480 --> 00:45:01,920 transfer right, so it was all and it was probably two hundred three hundred 728 00:45:02,000 --> 00:45:05,679 kids, but they were all the ones that transferred in. So you had 729 00:45:05,679 --> 00:45:10,559 a lot of different experiences which made it. Yeah. So after Cornell, 730 00:45:12,480 --> 00:45:15,440 you get a job in New York City. So another great thing that the 731 00:45:15,480 --> 00:45:19,920 school like that does is a blue sunshine up your ass. And they did 732 00:45:19,920 --> 00:45:23,000 a really nice job, right, So I assumed I'd, you know, 733 00:45:23,039 --> 00:45:25,920 I graduate and I get this job in New York and I'd be living in 734 00:45:25,960 --> 00:45:30,599 some really nice apartment on the Upper East Side. And I think the best 735 00:45:30,599 --> 00:45:35,320 thing that happened to me is I wound up getting a job at the Mayor's 736 00:45:35,320 --> 00:45:38,280 Office labor relations. Yeah, so that was doing one for New York City. 737 00:45:38,360 --> 00:45:43,920 It was a labor analyst for the for the Mayor's office. And what 738 00:45:43,960 --> 00:45:46,400 they did was that they represented the city and all the contracts. Yeah, 739 00:45:46,480 --> 00:45:52,000 so whether it be the fire teachers, sanitation, all these so. Um. 740 00:45:52,719 --> 00:45:54,320 What was so cool is a lot of the classes I was taking at 741 00:45:54,320 --> 00:45:59,360 Cornell, Yeah, these professors and they'd be expert witnesses and they were oftentimes 742 00:45:59,360 --> 00:46:05,320 expert witness is for the unions. So I remember once it was I think 743 00:46:05,320 --> 00:46:08,400 we're doing yeah, we're doing the police arbitration because he could never get to 744 00:46:08,440 --> 00:46:10,920 a contract and the contracts are sold. But it was really neat right. 745 00:46:10,920 --> 00:46:16,119 It was a really cool experience to take what I learned move forward, get 746 00:46:16,159 --> 00:46:21,480 a job in the heaviest union city in the world, right in New York. 747 00:46:22,039 --> 00:46:24,480 And you know, I was speaking thirty two thousand dollars living in a 748 00:46:24,519 --> 00:46:30,119 fucking basement in Queens for a year, paying six hundred fifty dollars cash. 749 00:46:30,119 --> 00:46:32,840 But what was really cool aside from that was you know, you were a 750 00:46:32,840 --> 00:46:36,199 part of this. You know, you were you were seeing how this stuff 751 00:46:36,199 --> 00:46:38,800 works, right, so you know you'd be in these law offices because you 752 00:46:38,840 --> 00:46:42,880 know, again it would be these high, high end labor firms that were 753 00:46:42,960 --> 00:46:45,119 hired. You're at Madison Avenue and you're a part of this. It's like, 754 00:46:45,159 --> 00:46:49,119 this is amazing. And I remember once I was in the bathroom and 755 00:46:49,199 --> 00:46:52,199 after round like, hey, professor Katz, like a professor I had. 756 00:46:52,239 --> 00:46:57,880 He was there too, and he was an expert witness for the police. 757 00:46:58,079 --> 00:47:00,039 Yeah, you know, so it was really really cool. You know. 758 00:47:00,079 --> 00:47:05,039 I remember one sneaking into the into our breakout rooms because you know, they're 759 00:47:05,039 --> 00:47:07,000 all catering all the stuff. So I walk in and I went to the 760 00:47:07,000 --> 00:47:10,119 bathroom, just dicking around, and then oh, cookies are out. So 761 00:47:10,159 --> 00:47:13,760 I'm like eating cookies and I'm shoving a cookie in my mouth and these guys 762 00:47:13,760 --> 00:47:15,599 start walking into the room and they're all in suits and they're talking to their 763 00:47:15,639 --> 00:47:17,440 arms clear clear, and they're like, hey, how are you. I'm 764 00:47:17,440 --> 00:47:21,360 like hey, I'm good. And then Bloomberg walks in, Oh, and 765 00:47:21,480 --> 00:47:24,400 bloombergs I'm like hey. He's like hi. I'm like Bloomberg, I'm like 766 00:47:24,440 --> 00:47:29,000 good, I know I worked for you, like at the cookies and looked 767 00:47:29,079 --> 00:47:32,920 really good, but you know that it was cool, you know, and 768 00:47:34,000 --> 00:47:36,559 there was just times like that. You know, it was a great job, 769 00:47:36,599 --> 00:47:38,360 and I think, you know, I realized at the time I didn't 770 00:47:38,360 --> 00:47:40,599 want to be a lawyer and I didn't want to work for the mayor's office 771 00:47:40,599 --> 00:47:44,719 forever. You know, it didn't pay well. I was frustrated with a 772 00:47:44,760 --> 00:47:47,639 few things at the time. So, um, I made a bet with 773 00:47:47,760 --> 00:47:51,079 a body. I was like, I'm just gonna quite what are you gonna 774 00:47:51,119 --> 00:47:53,519 do? Buy a bicycle right across the countries? No you're not. No, 775 00:47:53,559 --> 00:47:58,159 I am so I wanted to buying a bike. Okay, So how 776 00:47:58,199 --> 00:48:01,639 did that happen? Because I thought that was and maybe again I'm conflating stories 777 00:48:01,760 --> 00:48:06,079 something, but I thought there was a guy that they brought out a cake 778 00:48:06,599 --> 00:48:10,679 that was celebrating thirty years working there, and you went, there's no fucking 779 00:48:10,719 --> 00:48:14,280 way I can do this. Yeah, I think I think that was part. 780 00:48:14,360 --> 00:48:15,920 Yeah, I mean there was that, right, you other guys like 781 00:48:16,000 --> 00:48:20,599 you did forty years in the city and they just you know, they looked 782 00:48:20,639 --> 00:48:22,920 like they were dust. Yeah, right, And I realized, I'm like, 783 00:48:22,960 --> 00:48:27,679 this is not what I want. This is not and and anything I 784 00:48:27,719 --> 00:48:30,440 did from there I realized I either had to go back to school. I 785 00:48:30,440 --> 00:48:31,199 didn't really want to be a lawyer. You know. I was doing the 786 00:48:31,239 --> 00:48:34,480 calculations at the time, like, oh, I'll be twenty seven, we'll 787 00:48:34,559 --> 00:48:39,760 be so old and all those But you're forty three and it doesn't matter how 788 00:48:39,800 --> 00:48:43,880 old you were. Yes, but again, time has a different meaning, 789 00:48:44,119 --> 00:48:46,800 you know, at every stage of life. But yeah, so I you 790 00:48:46,800 --> 00:48:50,719 know, I just decided, like I hate where I live, you know, 791 00:48:50,920 --> 00:48:52,800 I don't like my job, I don't like all these other situations, 792 00:48:52,800 --> 00:48:55,320 and just said I'm gonna quit. I'm gonna I'm gonna pull myself out of 793 00:48:55,360 --> 00:49:00,679 this. And that's when I bought a bicycle. You did, and he 794 00:49:00,760 --> 00:49:05,239 did do this? Yeah, and you went out to Seattle. Well here's 795 00:49:06,079 --> 00:49:09,559 you bought the bicycle in Seattle. I did anybody here? So here's here's 796 00:49:09,559 --> 00:49:13,360 the funny part of the story. So March and Bill came down. I 797 00:49:13,400 --> 00:49:15,679 think it's your birthday. Remember you came down. Oh yeah, yeah, 798 00:49:15,719 --> 00:49:20,639 so my buddy Jason. Yeah. But so I worked with my buddy Jason, 799 00:49:21,239 --> 00:49:22,079 and so he's like, oh, yeah, I want to meet your 800 00:49:22,119 --> 00:49:24,960 parents. So we went out and we had a couple of drinks. At 801 00:49:24,960 --> 00:49:29,920 a bar, and then we wound up in the village. March has like 802 00:49:30,079 --> 00:49:32,599 three or four margreds and we then we wound up in Central Park at a 803 00:49:32,639 --> 00:49:44,679 concert and just fukid it was. It was like, well the ustful green 804 00:49:44,760 --> 00:49:49,760 alcohol. So it wasn't yeah, it wasn't your good. But so, 805 00:49:50,159 --> 00:49:53,280 um, that was the day I told my boss and we got quitting. 806 00:49:53,880 --> 00:49:57,800 Now you told him earlier in the day, Yeah, I told him that 807 00:49:57,840 --> 00:50:00,320 day. Did you tell March and Bill that he would quicked? I knew, 808 00:50:00,440 --> 00:50:01,679 oh yeah, because I think I had already bought the bike by then, 809 00:50:01,880 --> 00:50:05,800 and you know I was talking to like the bike shop back you know 810 00:50:05,920 --> 00:50:12,039 here, Yeah, and um or the Pleasant Valley Bike Pleasant Valley Bike Shop, 811 00:50:12,079 --> 00:50:15,760 which was funny because the guy I got a discount there because the guy's 812 00:50:15,840 --> 00:50:17,440 daughter I got into the ILR school too. He's like, I'll give you 813 00:50:17,480 --> 00:50:21,760 fifteen percent of if you knew my daughter. I bought all the ship and 814 00:50:21,760 --> 00:50:24,719 I know I got fifteen percent off, which is what I needed. Um. 815 00:50:24,840 --> 00:50:29,239 But yeah, so the whole So I quit that day, or told 816 00:50:29,280 --> 00:50:30,960 him I was quitting, and I came. I would come here on the 817 00:50:30,960 --> 00:50:35,559 weekends and I'd ride the bike and I wrote it twice, like thirty miles. 818 00:50:36,199 --> 00:50:37,519 And then here's the funny thing. And I thought about say because we 819 00:50:37,559 --> 00:50:40,400 would de Pete's famous diner. Right. Yeah. So we're at Pete's and 820 00:50:40,400 --> 00:50:44,159 I see this bike and it's all decked out. It's got all the gear 821 00:50:44,199 --> 00:50:45,719 for somebody who's riding across country. And I see this guy. It's like, 822 00:50:45,760 --> 00:50:49,440 hey, I'm like, oh my gosh, I'm about to do this 823 00:50:49,599 --> 00:50:52,719 now. It's mid July. Yeah, people start this thing in mad Yeah, 824 00:50:52,760 --> 00:50:55,280 they do, right. The weather is yeah, it's pretty good everywhere. 825 00:50:55,360 --> 00:50:59,639 Yeah, but weather's good. You get some time. So talking to 826 00:50:59,639 --> 00:51:01,119 this guy, I was like, yeah, actually, I'm about to fly 827 00:51:01,159 --> 00:51:04,719 out next weekenday, So you're never gonna make it. He's like, it's 828 00:51:04,800 --> 00:51:07,480 you're You're never gonna make it. You haven't trained, you haven't done anything. 829 00:51:07,480 --> 00:51:08,880 I'm like, oh my god, this guy's a total dick. Yeah. 830 00:51:09,199 --> 00:51:13,119 And I was like, oh man, and and he was like eating. 831 00:51:13,159 --> 00:51:14,760 He's like, I'm like, where are you going next? I'm gonna 832 00:51:14,800 --> 00:51:16,480 ride my way up to Boston. And then he's like I started down in 833 00:51:16,519 --> 00:51:22,079 California and I rode up. Yeah, he rode up from like the border 834 00:51:22,199 --> 00:51:24,239 in San Diego all the way up and then came across the country and did 835 00:51:24,239 --> 00:51:27,639 all this other stuff, and he's like, you're never gonna be You're gonna 836 00:51:27,679 --> 00:51:30,119 run out of time. It's not gonna work. I like, this guy's 837 00:51:30,119 --> 00:51:32,760 a dick. Yeah. Yeah. So I wound up buying getting the bike, 838 00:51:32,840 --> 00:51:36,800 flew out to my buddy's house and seat all. I just started riding, 839 00:51:37,199 --> 00:51:38,119 and I decided, I'm like, well, if I can get you 840 00:51:38,159 --> 00:51:40,840 know, if I can go three days, right, just keep going. 841 00:51:42,519 --> 00:51:45,039 And the advice I has given us, ride as far as you can in 842 00:51:45,079 --> 00:51:47,280 the first day, Second day, ride as far as you can. Third 843 00:51:47,360 --> 00:51:50,480 day, you're gonna be in so much pain. Keep riding as far as 844 00:51:50,519 --> 00:51:52,760 you can that day, and then by the fourth day you can feel okay. 845 00:51:52,400 --> 00:51:55,480 And I just kept doing it. So I rode across the country. 846 00:51:55,599 --> 00:52:00,280 So no real training for this job, just the desire. Had a change 847 00:52:00,320 --> 00:52:04,360 of five tire on the bike when I started, just the desire to do 848 00:52:04,400 --> 00:52:07,559 it. Nothing else going on. Yeah, just quit my job, I 849 00:52:09,679 --> 00:52:13,960 know, but yeah, and to take me back because I have the same 850 00:52:14,000 --> 00:52:19,559 parents you have now. I certainly did whatever I wanted pretty much, but 851 00:52:19,719 --> 00:52:22,800 that would be a scary thing when you had a job, you had benefits, 852 00:52:22,920 --> 00:52:27,159 you had graduated college, and as parents, you kind of go, 853 00:52:28,159 --> 00:52:31,880 okay, the last one's kind of settled here, and then it's never settled. 854 00:52:32,000 --> 00:52:35,719 No, but I'm just saying, but like to quit your job and 855 00:52:35,760 --> 00:52:38,000 then you go as you're saying, I got nothing going on, and you're 856 00:52:38,039 --> 00:52:40,440 going out there. When did you fly out? Well? I thought I 857 00:52:40,480 --> 00:52:45,519 thought you went August. Was it July? It was like I might have 858 00:52:45,519 --> 00:52:49,119 fallen at the end of July and I started August fourth, Okay, yeah, 859 00:52:49,320 --> 00:52:52,599 I remember it was August September and you came home. You were back 860 00:52:52,639 --> 00:52:57,440 by October October six, I finished, Yeah, I rode, yeah, 861 00:52:57,480 --> 00:53:00,320 so you we'll go back though that. So that trip, that fourth that 862 00:53:00,440 --> 00:53:04,840 third day, how bad was it? It was bad? I mean, 863 00:53:04,880 --> 00:53:07,519 but it was manageable, right, I mean, you know you're sore, 864 00:53:07,719 --> 00:53:08,320 you know, like, yeah, your ass is gonna be so wear and 865 00:53:08,400 --> 00:53:13,239 it was. But you know, after that you just started to get it 866 00:53:13,280 --> 00:53:17,039 together. And the way I worked it was I turned it every day like 867 00:53:17,039 --> 00:53:19,679 I was at work. You know, you get up in the morning, 868 00:53:19,719 --> 00:53:22,480 get apparent six thirty. You know, I had a tent Like at first, 869 00:53:22,519 --> 00:53:24,199 I didn't even have the camping situation figured out, Like I'm staying. 870 00:53:24,280 --> 00:53:27,000 I'm like, I'm going to burn out of all the money I have, 871 00:53:27,320 --> 00:53:29,920 right, I stay in hotels and like it's kind of weird because once you're 872 00:53:29,920 --> 00:53:34,519 west of the Mississippi, you can camp anywhere nobody cares, like Blm lands, 873 00:53:34,599 --> 00:53:37,079 you can do whatever you want. Really, yeah, you get east 874 00:53:37,079 --> 00:53:39,320 of the Mississippi, it's a whole different world in terms of you know, 875 00:53:39,440 --> 00:53:46,559 regulation, camping, regulations, money. So yeah, So could I bring 876 00:53:46,599 --> 00:53:52,920 it a little full circle for a minute? Sure? So Nick, you 877 00:53:52,079 --> 00:53:57,360 flew out to Seattle, yea when you were starting this trip, and you 878 00:53:57,480 --> 00:54:01,400 stayed with your friend Nick, who went up with ye here and who you 879 00:54:01,519 --> 00:54:06,599 started flying with. Well, he was one of the flu Well so here, 880 00:54:06,679 --> 00:54:08,320 Yeah you could, Yes, you could do the full circle thing. 881 00:54:08,400 --> 00:54:13,000 And I think there, um, Nick and I flew it was the field 882 00:54:13,039 --> 00:54:16,760 trip. We wound up in the biplane because his mother was a chaperone, 883 00:54:16,840 --> 00:54:20,920 March was a chaperone. Nick was a fat kid, so I was able 884 00:54:20,920 --> 00:54:22,280 to kind of snug in the seat next to him, so I felt safe, 885 00:54:22,519 --> 00:54:29,119 Okay, And Nick's always been his first Yeah, but he's always been 886 00:54:29,239 --> 00:54:31,239 like so you know, Nick and I have always had that relationship, right, 887 00:54:31,360 --> 00:54:35,239 We've been very close over the years. But um yeah, So anyway, 888 00:54:35,280 --> 00:54:37,760 so I'm riding across the country and again, as you're riding, this 889 00:54:37,840 --> 00:54:40,920 is like pre Facebook the iPhone, my phone would be out for like four 890 00:54:40,960 --> 00:54:44,559 or five days because I'm in the mountains march. But he didn't from you. 891 00:54:44,800 --> 00:54:46,199 Yeah, he's a shit. I'm like. But now, like, 892 00:54:46,239 --> 00:54:49,280 I mean, I even me. I'm like, I've got my watch, 893 00:54:49,320 --> 00:54:52,599 I've got this, I've got air tags, my wallet, you know all 894 00:54:52,639 --> 00:54:54,760 that stuff. But um, so I'm riding across the country and you know, 895 00:54:54,800 --> 00:54:58,840 you stop at a diner and you sign your name and all the stuff. 896 00:54:59,400 --> 00:55:01,639 Well, I'm made it. I made it my job. Did you 897 00:55:01,679 --> 00:55:06,480 go across the country going on what a total dick that guy that I met 898 00:55:06,679 --> 00:55:08,960 in ryan Beeck was? So that was almost a motivating factor for you. 899 00:55:09,239 --> 00:55:12,519 It was just for me that was a sport. No, that was not 900 00:55:12,599 --> 00:55:14,559 a motivating okay, no, no, no. What I meant was a 901 00:55:14,599 --> 00:55:16,840 motivating factor to finish. Yeah no, no, no, no, no, 902 00:55:16,840 --> 00:55:20,599 okay, the motivating factor to finishes because I started, Okay, I 903 00:55:20,599 --> 00:55:22,760 had nothing to do that. Okay, you know I wasn't gonna end it, 904 00:55:22,000 --> 00:55:24,719 um, but it was just I just remember people like, oh, 905 00:55:24,800 --> 00:55:27,519 yeah, there was this guy and you started, I'm like, he's a 906 00:55:27,559 --> 00:55:30,119 total asshole. I remember like being at a couple of bars, like you 907 00:55:30,159 --> 00:55:32,599 know what, I like, guy, it was an asshole. Oh he 908 00:55:32,679 --> 00:55:36,000 was amazing. I'm like, guay, I heard he was a dick. 909 00:55:36,079 --> 00:55:38,719 And then so I just went through and in some places I'd write next to 910 00:55:38,800 --> 00:55:43,400 name, asshole, did you know the guy's name? And you would see 911 00:55:43,559 --> 00:55:45,960 his name, so I knew, so you could figure out, like what 912 00:55:46,039 --> 00:55:51,039 his name was. I was able to check logs like and again it's all 913 00:55:51,039 --> 00:55:53,039 like it's almost like you know, colonial times, right, people wrote their 914 00:55:53,119 --> 00:55:55,400 names and stuff so you can see all this. So yeah, I went 915 00:55:55,440 --> 00:56:01,039 across the street. So okay, that had to be maybe the best thing 916 00:56:01,039 --> 00:56:04,400 you ever did. It's a guy, it's up there. I mean, 917 00:56:04,440 --> 00:56:07,840 it's an experience, yeah one. But I had to have some really challenging 918 00:56:07,960 --> 00:56:10,480 days. It was. Yeah, I think there had to be weather issues 919 00:56:10,639 --> 00:56:14,800 and you had everything you had weather, you know, And I think at 920 00:56:14,800 --> 00:56:17,000 the end of you know, the trip, what I realized and throughout the 921 00:56:17,000 --> 00:56:19,920 trips, like you could get angry, you get frustrated, right, and 922 00:56:19,960 --> 00:56:22,880 you can just start banging. It's not gonna fix anything, right. So 923 00:56:22,480 --> 00:56:25,519 through that, it really taught me a problem solving. Right now, you 924 00:56:25,559 --> 00:56:28,239 get through it, you know, you got to stay calm and I do 925 00:56:28,320 --> 00:56:30,440 stuff. But overall, no, I think, um, you know it 926 00:56:30,519 --> 00:56:34,039 was it was a good trip. It made sense, and then I wound 927 00:56:34,119 --> 00:56:37,559 up back home with margin bill yeah anyless. Yeah, but I also knew, 928 00:56:37,639 --> 00:56:40,079 you know, I was never a great math student, right, you 929 00:56:40,079 --> 00:56:44,559 know, numbers whatever, And I also knew the majority of people are afraid 930 00:56:44,599 --> 00:56:47,159 in numbers as well. Yeah, And my biggest thing was I needed to 931 00:56:47,159 --> 00:56:50,679 get a degree. Whatever I was going to do next, I needed a 932 00:56:50,760 --> 00:56:54,880 degree, a master's or something of that sort. So that's when I went 933 00:56:54,880 --> 00:56:59,079 to Albany and got a master's in economics. Because the whole thought to me 934 00:56:59,239 --> 00:57:02,679 was, let me learn how to explain numbers and then I can interpret them. 935 00:57:02,760 --> 00:57:05,800 Nobody's ever gonna tell me, you know what I mean, I need 936 00:57:05,800 --> 00:57:07,480 to be the wall because people are really afraid of them. Yeah, and 937 00:57:07,519 --> 00:57:10,320 I was never listening. I'm never going to be deep in down analytics. 938 00:57:10,360 --> 00:57:14,000 I'm never gonna be your PhD guy. I knew I was. You know, 939 00:57:14,039 --> 00:57:15,599 I'm not going to get into all this theorem shit, but I needed 940 00:57:15,599 --> 00:57:20,440 to be comfortable enough to explain it. And that's where I decided, Hey, 941 00:57:20,519 --> 00:57:22,719 let me get a master's in economics. And I went to Albany because 942 00:57:22,760 --> 00:57:25,639 it was a year long program and I was paying for it, right, 943 00:57:25,719 --> 00:57:31,199 So I wound up there and it was hard. It was a hard, 944 00:57:31,239 --> 00:57:34,800 hard program. You know. I was twenty eight, I think twenty seven, 945 00:57:34,800 --> 00:57:37,400 twenty eight at the time by six twenty seven, twenty seven when I 946 00:57:37,440 --> 00:57:42,840 started, and you know, I would sign up. I had tutors, 947 00:57:42,880 --> 00:57:45,920 I did everything I could. I was meeting with people. I was meeting 948 00:57:45,920 --> 00:57:47,519 with professors all the time, just so they knew that I was in it, 949 00:57:49,039 --> 00:57:52,000 right. That was the biggest thing. And the chair of the department, 950 00:57:52,000 --> 00:57:55,000 I remember talking to him once and because because oh, you went to 951 00:57:55,039 --> 00:57:58,400 Cornell, you'll be fine, you'll get through this. I'm like, I'm 952 00:57:58,440 --> 00:58:00,400 not one of those kind of smart kids. You'll be fine, You'll be 953 00:58:00,400 --> 00:58:04,599 fine. And they had this program where it was the forecasting program, so 954 00:58:04,599 --> 00:58:07,400 it's like a slightly higher, a little more advanced, and you're supposed to 955 00:58:07,440 --> 00:58:09,159 do all the ship to get into it. He's like, don't worry about 956 00:58:09,199 --> 00:58:12,159 I'm gonna sign off on it. You'll get it, and you're fine. 957 00:58:12,480 --> 00:58:15,360 So you sucked me off on this program. So now I'm sweat because now 958 00:58:15,360 --> 00:58:19,280 you're gonna do even more work. But that's what you do now. But 959 00:58:19,360 --> 00:58:22,280 I yeah, and I do it. But like believing, when you're learning 960 00:58:22,280 --> 00:58:25,280 the stop the theorems and all that shit, it's a whole different world from 961 00:58:25,320 --> 00:58:28,639 what I do on a day to day basis. But um, yeah, 962 00:58:28,639 --> 00:58:31,000 So I did that program and then when I finished, I'm talking to the 963 00:58:31,039 --> 00:58:32,599 guy, I'm like, what am I do with this? Too? Great? 964 00:58:32,960 --> 00:58:36,719 Like where the hell am I gonna work? And I was working a 965 00:58:36,800 --> 00:58:43,320 running store and I was in turning out the state and um He's like, 966 00:58:43,320 --> 00:58:45,880 oh yeah, oh these companies are hiring and this is like February. He's 967 00:58:45,880 --> 00:58:49,719 like he listened like Disney has like an economics department. You know you should. 968 00:58:49,760 --> 00:58:52,440 He's like, I got a friend whose wife works there and his friend 969 00:58:52,519 --> 00:58:55,440 taught an RPI. Was like right, So I met her once like a 970 00:58:55,599 --> 00:58:59,719 Panera bread and just talk to her. That was it. I wasn't looking 971 00:58:59,719 --> 00:59:02,079 for a job. It was February and then June's like, hey, are 972 00:59:02,119 --> 00:59:04,679 you still looking? For a job. But again, I'm waiting to hear 973 00:59:04,719 --> 00:59:06,880 back from the state because I had applied for a job there where it's in 974 00:59:06,960 --> 00:59:10,239 turning. They gotta sender me your resume again, wound up having a phone 975 00:59:10,280 --> 00:59:14,800 interview and then wound up They're like, hey, we want to fly you 976 00:59:14,840 --> 00:59:16,679 down. It's like all right, and I lived. To keep in mind, 977 00:59:16,679 --> 00:59:19,519 I lived in Auburn. I don't know if you have been to that 978 00:59:19,559 --> 00:59:22,920 apartment was fucking great. It was great. It was on the third floors. 979 00:59:22,320 --> 00:59:27,079 This sketchy building looked like the stairs are gonna fall off, but then 980 00:59:27,079 --> 00:59:29,920 you got up to the floor and it was perfect. It was amazing. 981 00:59:30,000 --> 00:59:32,760 I Tho walked down the stairs. I mean you were like, like everything 982 00:59:32,840 --> 00:59:37,280 looks awful. Yeah, a barstore there, and he walked down to the 983 00:59:37,280 --> 00:59:38,800 Capitol and catch all the concerts. It was really, really cool. It's 984 00:59:38,800 --> 00:59:42,760 a great place. And I remember Dad helping get in the furniture up. 985 00:59:43,079 --> 00:59:45,880 I'm never moving this down. Cool, look getting the shit out of here. 986 00:59:46,079 --> 00:59:49,400 So I was like all right. So Disney is like, yeah, 987 00:59:49,800 --> 00:59:52,360 they hired me, right, and they're like, here's you know, we're 988 00:59:52,400 --> 00:59:55,559 gonna relow you all right, what's that mean? Like well, we're gonna 989 00:59:55,599 --> 00:59:59,440 pay a ten k to take the job, and we're gonna take all your 990 00:59:59,480 --> 01:00:02,480 shit in your car and ship it down and fly you down. All right. 991 01:00:04,639 --> 01:00:07,840 I couldn't say no to that. And then you're just gonna stay on 992 01:00:07,880 --> 01:00:08,360 for a year. I'm like all right. So I'm like, great, 993 01:00:08,360 --> 01:00:12,920 I'll stay for a year. Um. So they moved everything. I mean 994 01:00:12,960 --> 01:00:15,960 I had dirty clothes, dirty dishes. They wound up in boxes, wound 995 01:00:16,039 --> 01:00:19,960 up. Wait, they packed everything. They had packers and movers come. 996 01:00:20,039 --> 01:00:24,239 They a car, a truck came and picked up Helen's car. That's fancy 997 01:00:24,440 --> 01:00:30,079 and oh yeah, and like they dead grandma stuff, a lot of dead 998 01:00:30,079 --> 01:00:37,079 grandma stuffy shit and it all got shipped to Florida. Yeah, so now 999 01:00:37,079 --> 01:00:38,360 where does it go in Florida? Did they set you up with the place? 1000 01:00:38,480 --> 01:00:43,039 Well, they flew me down to like like yeah, I'm like twenty, 1001 01:00:43,239 --> 01:00:44,719 So it makes it now. I can see it. Like if I 1002 01:00:44,840 --> 01:00:46,519 was like, you know this stage of my career, A yeah, you 1003 01:00:46,519 --> 01:00:49,559 need to fight, you gotta figure out schools, you figure all that. 1004 01:00:50,119 --> 01:00:52,039 I didn't give a shit, right, Like, I'm like fine, And 1005 01:00:52,199 --> 01:00:55,559 you know, I remember talking like the aged they had one crooked HR guy 1006 01:00:55,559 --> 01:00:59,400 that was dealing with that Disney and he's like, dude, you need to 1007 01:00:59,400 --> 01:01:04,840 move downtown. He's like, all the flight attendants are down so much fun 1008 01:01:05,760 --> 01:01:07,440 and anyway, so they had somebody show me around all these apartments and I 1009 01:01:07,480 --> 01:01:12,360 went up moving like not downtown but in this area, like yeah, not 1010 01:01:12,400 --> 01:01:15,119 too far from Disney. But didn't you launch your kayak in the pool of 1011 01:01:15,280 --> 01:01:19,320 Oh yeah, So the k they took, all that ship was delivered, 1012 01:01:20,239 --> 01:01:25,679 everything, everything wound up in far and all that was helen shit. Ye. 1013 01:01:28,000 --> 01:01:30,760 And then they gave me like ten thousand dollars just to like set up, 1014 01:01:30,800 --> 01:01:34,960 and then there was all kind of like all the money like it was 1015 01:01:35,079 --> 01:01:38,119 nuts, like and again I had no idea because if I in retrospect, 1016 01:01:38,119 --> 01:01:40,639 I should have done some other things like payoff I student loan, right, 1017 01:01:40,639 --> 01:01:44,360 Okay, yeah, but I didn't. So it was fun, and you 1018 01:01:44,360 --> 01:01:45,519 know, it was like handy Land, and you know, I'm hanging out 1019 01:01:45,559 --> 01:01:49,719 and doing all kinds of dump stuff and yeah, yeah it was good. 1020 01:01:49,760 --> 01:01:52,719 And you worked at Disney, yep. So I got a job and was 1021 01:01:52,800 --> 01:02:00,480 doing revenue um revenue management, which is economics for the hotels. Okay, 1022 01:02:00,719 --> 01:02:02,440 and then that got me kind of moving ahead. Yeah, all right, 1023 01:02:02,440 --> 01:02:08,079 and then you and you met Morgan. Yeah, so um yep wound up 1024 01:02:08,840 --> 01:02:15,079 um dating somebody for a little bit. Oh I think I remember yeh. 1025 01:02:15,079 --> 01:02:17,480 T Bax was a little older, so that's why we named her t Bax 1026 01:02:17,519 --> 01:02:23,400 like t Rex. And then we were going through a breakup and I moved 1027 01:02:23,440 --> 01:02:28,039 like all kinds of silly stuff. But then you know, uh, Morgan 1028 01:02:28,039 --> 01:02:29,760 and I had a mutual friend at the time. It's like, oh, 1029 01:02:29,760 --> 01:02:35,159 I'm going out to you know, um Epcot. Yeah, everyone hung out. 1030 01:02:35,400 --> 01:02:37,880 Yeah, everyone hung out at Epcot and all kinds of shit. You 1031 01:02:37,960 --> 01:02:40,719 just like your Disney money, you just spent the back in place. Um. 1032 01:02:40,760 --> 01:02:44,639 And she's like, yeah, you should come, that's great. And 1033 01:02:44,679 --> 01:02:46,039 it was Morgan spartathday, so kind of matter. I was like, yeah, 1034 01:02:46,039 --> 01:02:49,079 it's kind of cute. And then I'm screaming on the phone with the 1035 01:02:49,079 --> 01:02:51,480 other one and asked while I'm trying to get rid of her and shit. 1036 01:02:51,880 --> 01:02:54,199 But I realized that Morgan, you know, from an economic perspective, was 1037 01:02:54,199 --> 01:03:00,639 the best package because she had who breaks it down like this, she just 1038 01:03:00,719 --> 01:03:06,920 had her birthday. Oh yeah, I know. Yeah, your clean for 1039 01:03:07,000 --> 01:03:10,559 a year, clean, give your rolling. You're rolling sixty days into the 1040 01:03:10,559 --> 01:03:14,920 holidays. You didn't have to any holidays because nobody wants to like meet somebody 1041 01:03:14,960 --> 01:03:17,159 like you know, you're not meeting families two months in right, Yeah, 1042 01:03:17,199 --> 01:03:21,440 And that was kind of how it all started the spring. I mean, 1043 01:03:21,800 --> 01:03:24,320 there's a little more to it, but sure. Yeah. So March is 1044 01:03:24,480 --> 01:03:29,199 um, March comes down and we're both playing a different softball two yeah, 1045 01:03:29,320 --> 01:03:32,280 and we're at ESPN, rolled out of sports doing her softball thing. And 1046 01:03:34,280 --> 01:03:37,440 she's a cute girl. Look that one over there. Yeah, we're not 1047 01:03:37,599 --> 01:03:43,280 in socks. Did you sell your Yeah? But then March shirts waving to 1048 01:03:43,360 --> 01:03:45,639 me while I'm in my little cute converted So I said, I said, 1049 01:03:46,320 --> 01:03:52,719 socks with my son. You really looked at Vomo. I'm not consisted. 1050 01:03:52,960 --> 01:03:57,000 Yes that I didn't. I did, and I was the one that I 1051 01:03:57,159 --> 01:04:03,519 called the promiscuous one then so so then I said, Billy, so so 1052 01:04:03,880 --> 01:04:06,239 hold on, here's the thing. So that I told Mars we can get 1053 01:04:06,239 --> 01:04:09,280 back at her, and she's like, what do you mean? It's like 1054 01:04:09,400 --> 01:04:12,119 you say to her, So I heard you've been in my house because we 1055 01:04:12,159 --> 01:04:16,000 went because I because Morgan flew up and we met up with my buddy Jason, 1056 01:04:16,239 --> 01:04:20,639 and we all went whitewater around here in Rhinebeck hold On. We went 1057 01:04:20,679 --> 01:04:25,400 to the Atronics, but we caught up at the house and then we all 1058 01:04:25,480 --> 01:04:30,639 drove up together. You were somewhere I think you guys are still was living 1059 01:04:30,679 --> 01:04:33,760 in Yeah, you were. I don't know you were somewhere. You were 1060 01:04:33,920 --> 01:04:36,880 there because I told you that I was gonna any of my buddies were gonna 1061 01:04:36,920 --> 01:04:40,719 stay at the house for a night. So then I said, Hey, 1062 01:04:40,800 --> 01:04:45,960 tell her that I heard you've been in my house. Did she yeah, 1063 01:04:46,239 --> 01:04:51,559 Mars did she said to you? Yeah, what is that like? Then 1064 01:04:51,599 --> 01:04:59,599 I sat back and left my Wow, that's really funny. That's very funny. 1065 01:05:00,280 --> 01:05:03,079 All right, we'll take a moment and then find out from Disney to 1066 01:05:03,159 --> 01:05:09,400 where you are now and what's going on, and then maybe some childhood jokes 1067 01:05:09,440 --> 01:05:13,519 that we did play different things like that. I want to tell you about 1068 01:05:13,519 --> 01:05:15,360 my buddy Mike Mack. He has a really great business. You know, 1069 01:05:15,440 --> 01:05:18,400 if you've got a list of stuff. I always think of this. People 1070 01:05:18,400 --> 01:05:21,760 say time money, right, time is money that sort of thing. You 1071 01:05:21,880 --> 01:05:25,480 only got so much time on the planet. That's why I say, I 1072 01:05:25,480 --> 01:05:28,280 always hang up my keys because I want to spend any time looking for my 1073 01:05:28,360 --> 01:05:30,039 keys. Well, if you've got a list of stuff around in your house 1074 01:05:30,039 --> 01:05:33,559 that needs to be fixed or you need to get to it's gonna take time, 1075 01:05:33,599 --> 01:05:36,480 and maybe you don't even really have the skills. This is where Mac 1076 01:05:36,519 --> 01:05:40,159 comes in. Mac of All Trades can come in. They can fix your 1077 01:05:40,239 --> 01:05:43,360 dry wall if you have that. Maybe you got a bathroom door that doesn't 1078 01:05:43,360 --> 01:05:46,280 shut exactly right, or some other minor things around the house, but all 1079 01:05:46,280 --> 01:05:49,199 that adds up. Let them come in and just take that off your plate. 1080 01:05:49,400 --> 01:05:51,519 Get that done now. Maybe you get something bigger. Maybe you want 1081 01:05:51,519 --> 01:05:54,679 to deck, you have some electrical work that needs to be done, you 1082 01:05:54,679 --> 01:05:58,440 want a full bathroom remodel or a kitchen remodel. They can do all that. 1083 01:05:58,840 --> 01:06:01,039 The name says it all. It is Mac of all Trades. He 1084 01:06:01,119 --> 01:06:04,599 built the studio that we normally broadcast from. We love it there and he's 1085 01:06:04,679 --> 01:06:09,000 you're gonna love whatever Mac of All Trades does for you. Find out more 1086 01:06:09,360 --> 01:06:13,719 online at macavall Trades dot net or by calling five eight five two zero two 1087 01:06:13,920 --> 01:06:20,400 ninety two eighteen. It's food trucking carrying season at Jimmy Place in Shakes dot 1088 01:06:20,440 --> 01:06:24,599 com. Well Conrey's Irish Pub is a little touch of Ireland, right along 1089 01:06:24,679 --> 01:06:27,679 the historic Erie Canal in Fairport, New York. Took my mom there once 1090 01:06:27,760 --> 01:06:30,000 and she said to me, every time I'm in here, it's like a 1091 01:06:30,000 --> 01:06:33,840 party, and it is. You walk in there and it's just fun coming 1092 01:06:33,920 --> 01:06:39,119 up. You've got Canal Days and that's gonna be a big party. And 1093 01:06:39,159 --> 01:06:42,519 then throughout the summer there's a number of events, including the Fairport Music Fest. 1094 01:06:42,559 --> 01:06:45,920 And and I'll tell you what you should make Mulconris your headquarters because everything 1095 01:06:45,960 --> 01:06:49,840 seems to kind of emanate from there, right along the historic Erie Canal. 1096 01:06:49,920 --> 01:06:54,239 The food is fantastic. Gets something like the Mulconrey's Burger, or you can 1097 01:06:54,280 --> 01:06:58,079 even go and get yourself some Shepherd's pie. I love that the beer is 1098 01:06:58,119 --> 01:07:00,159 called the cider is cold. And they have that beautiful deck that overlooks the 1099 01:07:00,159 --> 01:07:04,280 canal right up on top. Maul Conrey's Iris Pub seventeen Liftbridge Lane East in 1100 01:07:04,400 --> 01:07:30,079 Fairport and online at Mulconres dot com. Tonights me it's twenty of your buddies. 1101 01:07:30,320 --> 01:07:31,840 This is one of my buddies. Chris Trapper has become a friend of 1102 01:07:31,880 --> 01:07:38,599 yours. Yeah, Chris. Yeah, we've developed You're having a really good 1103 01:07:38,599 --> 01:07:43,920 relationship over the years for sure. Yeah, that's interesting. I would love 1104 01:07:43,960 --> 01:07:48,360 to uh get huh, I get Chris. You could get Chris on your 1105 01:07:48,360 --> 01:07:53,519 show? No, yea, no, look I'm more's there's believe me, 1106 01:07:53,639 --> 01:07:57,519 there is no I have There's no shame for me to say, can you 1107 01:07:57,559 --> 01:08:00,800 get that guy on that? But that really wasn't even I was thinking, 1108 01:08:00,840 --> 01:08:02,480 I just think it's it's cool, and I thought I would bump with that 1109 01:08:02,519 --> 01:08:08,880 because Chris Trapper has been somebody that I've been aware of for years. Uh, 1110 01:08:08,920 --> 01:08:11,519 there were guys at the radio station that really loved It's great too. 1111 01:08:11,639 --> 01:08:15,840 Yeah, I would This was one of the ones I always liked. Um 1112 01:08:15,239 --> 01:08:19,000 but Keg and my coffin was a big one, right that. That was 1113 01:08:19,039 --> 01:08:24,800 my first introduction to him outside of the Push Stars. And then uh when 1114 01:08:24,840 --> 01:08:28,479 you became friends with him, you know, I remember he came up and 1115 01:08:28,479 --> 01:08:31,399 he didn't play at the hotel. Yeah. So the whole thing with Chris 1116 01:08:31,439 --> 01:08:33,640 Trapper, I mean, this is where it's funny because growing up, the 1117 01:08:33,720 --> 01:08:36,640 music that I listened to her was the Push Stars. Yeah, but we 1118 01:08:36,640 --> 01:08:40,680 would listen to we get, we'd hang out with a party again my buddy 1119 01:08:40,760 --> 01:08:45,119 knicks garage and listened to the Push Stars and it was it was kind of 1120 01:08:45,119 --> 01:08:47,680 the music that when I think of grown up that comes to mind. You 1121 01:08:47,680 --> 01:08:50,520 know, the Stones, all that that, you know, learning from you 1122 01:08:50,640 --> 01:08:53,760 and those pieces. But when I think of, like, you know, 1123 01:08:53,920 --> 01:08:57,960 the music that really kind of aligned to growing up, those those years of 1124 01:08:58,039 --> 01:09:01,960 Keen Nan Janks, it was really stop yeah uh and and the push stuff. 1125 01:09:02,039 --> 01:09:08,319 So um, I was in back in Ithaca right and going to school 1126 01:09:08,319 --> 01:09:11,000 there, and I saw a sign it was like push h yeah, Pushed 1127 01:09:11,039 --> 01:09:14,760 Oars, Pushtars are playing the Anchor Bar or something downtown, and it's like, 1128 01:09:14,760 --> 01:09:15,880 oh my god, this is amazing. I'm telling all my buddies like, 1129 01:09:16,119 --> 01:09:18,399 we gotta go, we gotta go, we gotta go to the Pushtarts. 1130 01:09:18,399 --> 01:09:20,560 I'm like, nah, I don't even know who that there. No, 1131 01:09:20,560 --> 01:09:23,720 No, it's gonna be a great show. So I rallied a few 1132 01:09:23,720 --> 01:09:26,760 people together and I got really drunk and we went down and we saw the 1133 01:09:26,760 --> 01:09:30,399 show. At one point I stuck backstage with another buddy of mine and we 1134 01:09:30,560 --> 01:09:38,680 just started drinking all their beer. Jesus Christ, where was this Cornell? 1135 01:09:40,640 --> 01:09:44,159 So so that was the only thing. So then they they're you know, 1136 01:09:44,199 --> 01:09:45,960 and they're touring and I'm like, this is amazing. They're going cross coaching 1137 01:09:45,960 --> 01:09:48,439 and they have like a white van. Right, it wasn't anything. These 1138 01:09:48,479 --> 01:09:51,600 guys are probably in their early thirties right there, he's about your age. 1139 01:09:51,600 --> 01:09:57,000 I thin he's getting you there on you. So they're and they're kind of 1140 01:09:57,000 --> 01:10:01,520 talking. One are the guys from pokeepsim go to Dukeeps and they're just leave 1141 01:10:01,600 --> 01:10:03,560 us the funk alone, all right. That was kind of the attitude. 1142 01:10:03,960 --> 01:10:09,000 So finally my buddies pulled me out and then you know that that was that. 1143 01:10:09,119 --> 01:10:13,319 So then years later, you know again living in Maine. All right, 1144 01:10:13,399 --> 01:10:15,199 so we're living in Maine and I caught I went up to Chris Trapper 1145 01:10:15,239 --> 01:10:18,079 show the summer we're moving up there. Yeah, we had a no no, 1146 01:10:18,600 --> 01:10:24,079 I think, Yeah, I went solo show. I was either pregnant 1147 01:10:24,119 --> 01:10:26,520 or we had just had a baby. And you were like, oh, 1148 01:10:26,640 --> 01:10:29,960 Chris is coming up, and I'm like, go go to the show. 1149 01:10:30,239 --> 01:10:31,279 So I went. So I went to the concert and it was it was 1150 01:10:31,600 --> 01:10:35,079 great. And then you know during COVID with the hotel, you know, 1151 01:10:35,079 --> 01:10:38,800 you're trying to come up and with creative ways. Right, hold on, 1152 01:10:38,880 --> 01:10:42,399 you got to back up at that show with him. You're like, hey, 1153 01:10:42,439 --> 01:10:45,760 listen, I when I was, you know, twenty years younger, 1154 01:10:45,800 --> 01:10:49,319 I drank a ton of year beer. Oh that didn't happen that. No, 1155 01:10:49,479 --> 01:10:51,880 that didn't happen there. Let me get to that point. That didn't 1156 01:10:51,920 --> 01:10:55,800 happen, because what happened was I was waiting because I was gonna talk to 1157 01:10:55,840 --> 01:10:59,159 him then, like I'm gonna be like one of these bohemian weirdos hanging outside 1158 01:10:59,199 --> 01:11:00,920 wait unto this guy him out of an old church, right because it was 1159 01:11:01,159 --> 01:11:03,520 it was it was an ulch. Yeah. So I never talked to him 1160 01:11:03,520 --> 01:11:08,960 at that point. But I but for some reason, like we were buddies 1161 01:11:09,000 --> 01:11:11,199 on Facebook and he had texted me something. I was like, hey, 1162 01:11:11,199 --> 01:11:13,640 you should come to one of my shows. I was like, yeah, 1163 01:11:13,640 --> 01:11:16,239 if you ever play up in Maine, yeah, sure, And so it 1164 01:11:16,279 --> 01:11:18,439 was like two weeks later he plays. So I went up to the show. 1165 01:11:18,760 --> 01:11:21,760 But what happened was during COVID, right. So the hotel you're trying 1166 01:11:21,760 --> 01:11:25,640 to be come up with it like everybody was. So you're trying to unique 1167 01:11:25,680 --> 01:11:29,439 ways to drive demand U and one of the things was you know, we 1168 01:11:29,479 --> 01:11:31,560 started to come up with this series called Concert on the Cliff and we would 1169 01:11:31,600 --> 01:11:34,039 get Adam Gardner. He would come down and he would play from Guster, 1170 01:11:34,079 --> 01:11:38,119 because you really have in Scarborough and these guys couldn't play. They were just 1171 01:11:38,199 --> 01:11:40,960 like they're tied up. They were frustrated, right, they couldn't get out, 1172 01:11:41,439 --> 01:11:44,119 and you know, you had to do limited seating and all this other 1173 01:11:44,119 --> 01:11:45,359 stuff. While I wast on the guy my Boddy, who at the time 1174 01:11:45,399 --> 01:11:48,039 was the director of sales, I was like, dude, we gotta get 1175 01:11:48,079 --> 01:11:50,039 this guy, Chris Trapper. He's like, I don't even know who he 1176 01:11:50,119 --> 01:11:51,399 is. Like, no, no, no, we gotta get him. 1177 01:11:51,399 --> 01:11:55,960 We gotta get him. So I'm pumping gas one day and I see, 1178 01:11:56,079 --> 01:11:59,800 right, they have like the TV screen on the gas pump and it's ra 1179 01:12:00,119 --> 01:12:01,840 Thomas and he's wearing Chris Trapper shirt. Yeah. So I'm like, all 1180 01:12:01,880 --> 01:12:04,159 right, Chris, I'm like this is a side. Yeah, like I 1181 01:12:04,239 --> 01:12:08,720 need you like listen years ago. I just you know, I want to 1182 01:12:08,760 --> 01:12:11,560 let you know that I stole beer and you know, I came up to 1183 01:12:11,600 --> 01:12:14,439 your concert and all the stuff. So he so he came up and he 1184 01:12:14,479 --> 01:12:16,920 saw Adam Gardner play and he's like, this is amazing. So he just 1185 01:12:17,000 --> 01:12:20,039 came to witness it. I told him I come on up to the hotel 1186 01:12:20,439 --> 01:12:24,079 stay for the night. He was really like he was bombed because his tours 1187 01:12:24,079 --> 01:12:26,760 were getting caned. Sure, I watched him do some live stuff. He 1188 01:12:26,840 --> 01:12:29,079 did all the live stuff. Yeah, he would dress up and do it 1189 01:12:29,119 --> 01:12:32,680 right before his kitchen or something. Right. Yeah, So he came and 1190 01:12:32,680 --> 01:12:36,119 and he watched Adam Gardner play and um, I had no idea that they 1191 01:12:36,159 --> 01:12:41,079 toured together back in the nineties. So it was really cool. And then 1192 01:12:41,159 --> 01:12:44,000 he started so we would get Adam and Chris and they play a few times 1193 01:12:44,000 --> 01:12:47,000 together at the hotel. Okay. So and that's how it kind of that's 1194 01:12:47,000 --> 01:12:49,600 how that's how it all. But but but the thing to get him there 1195 01:12:49,760 --> 01:12:53,199 was to say, I stole beer from you twenty years ago. So he 1196 01:12:53,239 --> 01:12:56,159 came to So he came and then he watched the show, and the next 1197 01:12:56,239 --> 01:12:58,000 day I caught up and I'm like, hey, listen, you know I 1198 01:12:58,039 --> 01:13:00,159 want to tell you the story years ago go in Ithaca, and his wife's 1199 01:13:00,199 --> 01:13:02,800 there's like this is the funniest thing, Like, yeah, I stole like 1200 01:13:02,880 --> 01:13:06,319 honest beer from here. So I'm like, think of this as me apologizing 1201 01:13:06,920 --> 01:13:11,359 and staying at the hotel for free, you know, doing these shows. 1202 01:13:11,560 --> 01:13:15,199 So but it worked out and you know, and they come up and what 1203 01:13:15,279 --> 01:13:17,479 we did is trade with them, and um, so he and his family 1204 01:13:17,520 --> 01:13:21,439 come up and uh, it's it's cool. Yeah, it's kind of a 1205 01:13:21,439 --> 01:13:25,039 cool thing, you know, to get you know, somebody in and playing. 1206 01:13:25,039 --> 01:13:28,680 And so go back. You're you're at Disney, right, you were 1207 01:13:28,760 --> 01:13:32,119 living. I had gone down to see if you had launched the the kayak 1208 01:13:32,159 --> 01:13:34,760 in the pool. You've done all this fun stuff, but you were working 1209 01:13:34,760 --> 01:13:39,119 at Disney. Yeah. And then there was a point and you had always 1210 01:13:39,119 --> 01:13:45,600 talked about wanting to open up basically youth hustles in the United States for people 1211 01:13:45,640 --> 01:13:48,359 too, maybe the Appalachian Trail. I don't know what the plan was, 1212 01:13:49,079 --> 01:13:51,319 right, and that was yeah, And now one goes back to you know, 1213 01:13:51,359 --> 01:13:54,279 biking across the country. It was, oh my god, it would 1214 01:13:54,279 --> 01:13:56,479 be amazing. One of the things that what are we missing that all the 1215 01:13:56,479 --> 01:13:58,920 countries have, right, we don't obviously we don't have a rail system. 1216 01:13:58,920 --> 01:14:00,920 We don't have a way to get as the country. We'd see you know, 1217 01:14:00,960 --> 01:14:04,079 you'll always hear when you talk to people that you know, travel around 1218 01:14:04,079 --> 01:14:08,520 the world, right, they get to America, but they do they buy 1219 01:14:08,520 --> 01:14:12,880 a car in California or and they drive across the country and then they dump 1220 01:14:12,920 --> 01:14:15,680 it when they get to wherever they are. Yeah, but there's no way 1221 01:14:15,720 --> 01:14:17,640 to do it, right, So I said, this would be amazing. 1222 01:14:17,680 --> 01:14:20,239 And and you know, you're kind of young and you're thinking about, you 1223 01:14:20,279 --> 01:14:24,000 know, through these ideas. So, yeah, hospitality has always been a 1224 01:14:24,039 --> 01:14:26,560 peace right. You know. I'm not one of these folks that kind of 1225 01:14:26,560 --> 01:14:29,720 grew up with that ladder, but um, yeah, that was kind of 1226 01:14:29,760 --> 01:14:31,600 where my mind was. Um. And then Disney, Yeah, you know 1227 01:14:31,720 --> 01:14:34,640 you were down there, right, you came a few times. I had 1228 01:14:34,640 --> 01:14:43,479 a great neighbor, yeah, ninety plus years old, and he was he 1229 01:14:43,560 --> 01:14:45,880 had a lot of wisdom, you know, and you just I would sit 1230 01:14:45,920 --> 01:14:49,279 and talk. Yeah, and it was and I've and over the years, 1231 01:14:49,359 --> 01:14:54,319 you know, his son is our parents, Like he's in the seventies and 1232 01:14:54,319 --> 01:14:58,359 and we've become really kind of close and just talking. But just always had 1233 01:14:58,399 --> 01:15:00,560 a lot of really cool wisdom and insight in terms of how he looked at 1234 01:15:00,640 --> 01:15:03,720 life. Right. Now, here's a guy who was a World War two 1235 01:15:03,800 --> 01:15:11,399 veteran right skipped out of high school seventeen eighteen years old, joined joined the 1236 01:15:11,479 --> 01:15:14,279 navy. Um they asked him if he had a craft. He said no, 1237 01:15:14,359 --> 01:15:15,119 and the guy said, well, you're in the high school band, 1238 01:15:15,159 --> 01:15:18,520 so you're yeah, you're a musician. And so he stole his clarinet from 1239 01:15:18,560 --> 01:15:23,520 the high school, wound up wound up on a p T boat and was 1240 01:15:23,560 --> 01:15:25,920 all over Europe. And you know, he would tell stories. He never 1241 01:15:25,920 --> 01:15:30,479 really talked about the hardships, but he was there D day and sometimes he 1242 01:15:30,520 --> 01:15:34,960 would talk about these things that happened and just really you know a lot of 1243 01:15:34,960 --> 01:15:39,800 that stuff kind of helped, you know in terms of as you look at 1244 01:15:39,800 --> 01:15:42,439 things right and you see how he lived his life and all this stuff. 1245 01:15:42,760 --> 01:15:45,960 But he was a guy that you know, went back after the war and 1246 01:15:46,039 --> 01:15:50,600 they were they were told, hey, get your diploma based on your your 1247 01:15:50,640 --> 01:15:54,199 life earned credits where you can, you know, take a few more classes 1248 01:15:54,199 --> 01:15:57,319 and graduating a year. As he get the GI bill. Of course, 1249 01:15:57,319 --> 01:15:59,720 when you go to school, why not, like I'm getting paid, you're 1250 01:15:59,720 --> 01:16:03,840 the everyone's yeah. Sure, And he wound up going to Harvard and getting 1251 01:16:03,840 --> 01:16:08,560 his degree in electrical engineering, building jet engines all kinds of need stuff. 1252 01:16:09,399 --> 01:16:12,159 Um, but yeah, he was always kind of fun to talk to, 1253 01:16:12,359 --> 01:16:15,039 well, very interesting, full of life right at it. And we just 1254 01:16:15,079 --> 01:16:18,920 saw him. We just saw him. We were down in Florida last month 1255 01:16:19,079 --> 01:16:23,880 and he and his son Wayne Menace at the air board. Yeah, just 1256 01:16:23,960 --> 01:16:29,039 to catch up. So but here's again another like odd twist with you that 1257 01:16:29,119 --> 01:16:31,920 I find and not maybe not so much you, but you're at Disney, 1258 01:16:32,159 --> 01:16:39,000 and did you reach a point where the corporate world of that level wasn't really 1259 01:16:39,039 --> 01:16:42,760 what you wanted to do? Yeah, the day I walked into teams right 1260 01:16:42,760 --> 01:16:45,239 now, the day I walked into Disney, and who wasn't the job that 1261 01:16:45,279 --> 01:16:46,920 I wanted? And Disney must have known that for a lot of people, 1262 01:16:46,960 --> 01:16:51,119 because I think one of the things you said earlier was they said, you 1263 01:16:51,159 --> 01:16:54,079 have to give us a year. Yeah, you have to give us a 1264 01:16:54,800 --> 01:16:56,800 year. Right, Yeah, they're going to invest in you. So so 1265 01:16:57,079 --> 01:16:59,880 and how long did you end up doing? Seven or eight? Seven? 1266 01:17:00,079 --> 01:17:03,600 Eight years? So you meet Morgan, you guys get married, you have 1267 01:17:04,039 --> 01:17:10,039 there was Mallory, you had that townhouse and but Morgan, you were from 1268 01:17:10,239 --> 01:17:15,199 Tallahassee, right, yeah, Florida, But you've never lived outside of the 1269 01:17:15,199 --> 01:17:17,000 state of Florida. No, not at that time. No, never had 1270 01:17:17,039 --> 01:17:19,840 lived out of the side of the state of Florida. So now you in 1271 01:17:20,079 --> 01:17:28,920 North Florida and Central Florida were very different in terms of, uh just living. 1272 01:17:29,439 --> 01:17:32,880 You know, it was very different cultures, very different uh everything. 1273 01:17:33,640 --> 01:17:36,880 Well, North Florid, I would assume it's almost pretty much like really the 1274 01:17:36,880 --> 01:17:45,079 South Florida. Central Florida is almost like transplant land. Yeah, you're right 1275 01:17:45,159 --> 01:17:50,720 right, that isn't that funny? Yea. So but then you start looking 1276 01:17:50,760 --> 01:17:55,600 for jobs and I remember there was talk of you going out to San Francisco, 1277 01:17:55,720 --> 01:17:58,640 but you said, I don't want to raise my kids there. Denver 1278 01:17:58,800 --> 01:18:00,319 looked like it was going to be an op and there was that possibility. 1279 01:18:00,359 --> 01:18:05,560 And then the next thing, You're going to Maine. Yeah, and I 1280 01:18:05,600 --> 01:18:11,000 think this is where you were all on board. Yeah, Morgan, you 1281 01:18:11,079 --> 01:18:15,960 were all game for I was thing. It's like, I don't think there 1282 01:18:15,039 --> 01:18:18,399 was any like, hey man, I've never lived outside of Florida, you 1283 01:18:18,479 --> 01:18:23,560 know, I mean there was there was hesitation, right, So like San 1284 01:18:23,640 --> 01:18:29,199 Francisco, like we looked, I put my energy into what does this look 1285 01:18:29,279 --> 01:18:33,720 like? How how does that? Um, what does that look like right 1286 01:18:33,880 --> 01:18:40,159 for for our family, for our friends, for our lifestyle. Does that 1287 01:18:40,159 --> 01:18:42,479 look like? I mean the whole thing though, like, and I think 1288 01:18:42,520 --> 01:18:46,279 the piece so prior to any job, look was we weren't moving right because 1289 01:18:46,319 --> 01:18:48,520 we talked about we weren't going to move to the next place based on the 1290 01:18:48,560 --> 01:18:50,640 job. We're gonna move based on the quality of life. Yeah, And 1291 01:18:51,000 --> 01:18:55,000 that's a hard thing to grasp because then it's looking a holy shit, how 1292 01:18:55,000 --> 01:18:58,319 did we make this work? And I really think we did make it work, 1293 01:18:58,439 --> 01:19:01,000 but it was the whole idea was, let's not go after that golden 1294 01:19:01,159 --> 01:19:03,800 egg, you know what I mean, you could be making tons of money, 1295 01:19:03,800 --> 01:19:08,439 and you know, we were those come with those come with traps, 1296 01:19:08,600 --> 01:19:11,159 right. I mean it's not even that though, I mean, because it 1297 01:19:11,159 --> 01:19:13,800 could be like the same. But like we went to Chicago and I ran 1298 01:19:13,880 --> 01:19:15,600 the marathon, right, and it's like, there's no fucking way we're gonna 1299 01:19:15,600 --> 01:19:18,840 live in Chicago. It's all shitty suburbs, you know. I mean there's 1300 01:19:18,840 --> 01:19:24,079 some niceries, but like that's not what we wanted. We wanted quality of 1301 01:19:24,119 --> 01:19:27,199 a life was kind of the thought first. So when I was interviewing and 1302 01:19:27,239 --> 01:19:30,399 I went to you know, Mountain, San Francisco, Like, I can't 1303 01:19:30,399 --> 01:19:33,840 walk over a crackhead every day right now, it's fifteen crackheads that you're walking 1304 01:19:33,840 --> 01:19:38,399 over every day. So that was stupid, Like that's no, no, 1305 01:19:38,479 --> 01:19:41,079 thank you, thank you, appreciate it. So there's hotels, like I 1306 01:19:41,159 --> 01:19:44,640 was looking at an independent management company at the time, and Nope, that's 1307 01:19:44,680 --> 01:19:46,079 not one. You know, I thought it would be Charleston. You know, 1308 01:19:46,079 --> 01:19:50,560 we talked about I think we both thought it. I think we started 1309 01:19:50,600 --> 01:19:58,239 looking at homes to buy in Charleston. Like Charleston was where both thought, 1310 01:19:58,720 --> 01:20:01,800 Okay, this is good. This works for us, right, like this 1311 01:20:01,840 --> 01:20:05,239 works for what we want out of life. This works. And then it 1312 01:20:05,319 --> 01:20:12,359 wasn't. Maybe we were very quickly told nope, it's not Charleston. Yeah. 1313 01:20:12,439 --> 01:20:15,800 So so there's a job, and it was with the same hotel group. 1314 01:20:15,840 --> 01:20:17,560 So at the time, there was like a hotel group at ninety hotels 1315 01:20:17,920 --> 01:20:20,239 and they would just saying, hey, what about Denver. It's like, 1316 01:20:20,279 --> 01:20:24,479 yeah, maybe Denver, but I didn't like being in separate time zones with 1317 01:20:24,520 --> 01:20:28,520 the kids. Now, we kept asking to stay on the East Coast. 1318 01:20:28,800 --> 01:20:31,920 Yeah, right, like all of our family, every single person in our 1319 01:20:31,960 --> 01:20:35,760 family is on the East Coast. So then they're like, hey, listen, 1320 01:20:35,760 --> 01:20:39,279 we're you know, we're looking at a hotel at Main so you can't 1321 01:20:39,319 --> 01:20:43,159 talk about it. We think about that. I don't know, like it's 1322 01:20:43,199 --> 01:20:46,000 cold up there. And when you you came home on like a Tuesday night 1323 01:20:46,039 --> 01:20:49,840 and you were like ah. So they said, like that was a favorite. 1324 01:20:50,159 --> 01:20:54,920 What do you feel about Maine? And I said, I don't know. 1325 01:20:55,199 --> 01:20:58,039 And we put Mallory to bed, and I was like, can we 1326 01:20:58,079 --> 01:21:01,880 google it? Yeah, like I had ever been to the state of and 1327 01:21:02,000 --> 01:21:06,520 we were there like what to a Katie and National Park. I think he 1328 01:21:06,600 --> 01:21:11,840 was too, he doesn't really remember it. And so we we put Mallory 1329 01:21:11,920 --> 01:21:15,359 to bed that night and we opened a computer and we googled it. We 1330 01:21:15,520 --> 01:21:20,560 googled yeah, Maine. So that was and that was cool because yeah, 1331 01:21:20,600 --> 01:21:23,640 it was like all right, And then more I have a friend that wasn't 1332 01:21:23,640 --> 01:21:25,880 man like it's a big fucking state, like the chance they were in the 1333 01:21:25,920 --> 01:21:30,399 same town. Um, And then it turns out like he's Jackson you grew 1334 01:21:30,439 --> 01:21:34,039 up at the time, and we're like the best family friends. We're all 1335 01:21:34,119 --> 01:21:38,399 yeah, well, at the time, he owned a restaurant in the area 1336 01:21:38,800 --> 01:21:43,439 where we were looking to move and I was like, oh wow, this 1337 01:21:43,640 --> 01:21:47,000 like person I grew up with. It's actually in the same area in this 1338 01:21:47,279 --> 01:21:53,960 large state. Yeah, where we're looking to move right that. I reached 1339 01:21:54,000 --> 01:21:56,039 out and I was like, hey, I know mean's a big state, 1340 01:21:56,079 --> 01:22:00,520 but like I think we're moving there, and um, do you like know 1341 01:22:00,600 --> 01:22:04,000 of daycares and like can you just help with those kinds of things? And 1342 01:22:04,079 --> 01:22:09,079 he was like, well, where are you moving? And I happened to 1343 01:22:09,119 --> 01:22:11,800 say, well, this is where my husband's job is going to be. 1344 01:22:12,399 --> 01:22:16,079 And he was like, oh, yeah, you're right here. You're you're 1345 01:22:16,199 --> 01:22:20,479 right where we live. Right. So here's a realtor, here's a daycare, 1346 01:22:20,600 --> 01:22:24,920 here's a pa, here's all of it. Well, the whole thing 1347 01:22:24,920 --> 01:22:28,119 though, like that was so fun. Is I signed for this job in 1348 01:22:28,199 --> 01:22:30,479 December. We hadn't even been up there. We didn't know we had so 1349 01:22:31,079 --> 01:22:36,399 you know, we threw we threw a hail Mary there and we went up 1350 01:22:36,399 --> 01:22:41,199 in January. It's probably the coldest week, and the closet thing it was 1351 01:22:41,239 --> 01:22:43,760 like a snow story like there, yeah, they're blizzards, all kinds of 1352 01:22:43,800 --> 01:22:45,640 stuff. But when we were flying back with it, we're gonna get stuck. 1353 01:22:45,680 --> 01:22:48,079 But anyway, so I think for both of us, because we landed 1354 01:22:48,079 --> 01:22:50,399 in Manchester, New Hampshire. We drove out, We're like, holy, 1355 01:22:50,680 --> 01:22:55,119 how this is the most amazing place. Yeah. Like we hit the beach 1356 01:22:55,479 --> 01:23:00,039 and you know, it's negative five degrees out and you look out, we 1357 01:23:00,159 --> 01:23:01,800 should see lighthouses, waves crashing and it's like, oh, we go look 1358 01:23:01,840 --> 01:23:05,560 at all these seals and it wasn't seals, it's people surfing. Yeah yeah, 1359 01:23:05,680 --> 01:23:09,720 and then with west suits on, yeah they do it. Yeah. 1360 01:23:09,720 --> 01:23:15,640 And then it was people walking and it was being active and we were like, 1361 01:23:15,279 --> 01:23:18,319 okay, this is it. Yeah right, like yeah, so we 1362 01:23:18,439 --> 01:23:21,560 moved there for the active lifestyle. That game thirty pounds, so you know, 1363 01:23:21,720 --> 01:23:28,800 yeah, but but we've maintained that active lifestyle, like we can't. 1364 01:23:28,840 --> 01:23:33,279 Your friend Jackson Ye also did some private work for the Can we say the 1365 01:23:33,319 --> 01:23:38,079 Bush family? Yeah, we totally say. You guys both of us have 1366 01:23:38,399 --> 01:23:42,319 Yeah, you've met the Bushes and you had I know you've met George. 1367 01:23:42,359 --> 01:23:45,039 You have a picture you when George drinking a beer. Yeah, I mean 1368 01:23:45,760 --> 01:23:50,159 I have no George. George does not you were were you drinking a beer? 1369 01:23:50,199 --> 01:23:53,520 Maybe you weren't either, I don't know what the picture was. I 1370 01:23:53,560 --> 01:23:55,960 don't know why. In my mind, I just put beer. I look 1371 01:23:56,000 --> 01:23:59,319 at you and I think you're drinking. Yeah, but it was the it 1372 01:23:59,359 --> 01:24:02,800 was Pete tonight. But oh yeah. So we've done a lot of like 1373 01:24:03,640 --> 01:24:12,000 Jackson and I. Jackson's a chef. He is a phenomenal shelf um well 1374 01:24:12,079 --> 01:24:16,560 trained, and I just kind of came in and started doing like the execution 1375 01:24:16,720 --> 01:24:21,880 of a lot of the events that he was for the bushes. Jackson has 1376 01:24:21,920 --> 01:24:28,600 been cooking food for these people for years and I have been doing you know, 1377 01:24:29,319 --> 01:24:34,600 arrangements in teeble settings. They love having him at the head. Sure, 1378 01:24:34,600 --> 01:24:39,199 they do great. Well, we've been I've been to Jackson's house. 1379 01:24:39,520 --> 01:24:45,279 Yeah, yeah for Christmas, Yes, for Christmas Eve, like, yeah, 1380 01:24:45,319 --> 01:24:49,199 it's you arrived a bit late, but that was Dad. That was 1381 01:24:49,319 --> 01:24:54,119 Dad driving and he's got the wrong way and I'm telling him one way. 1382 01:24:54,640 --> 01:24:58,760 So he was ready to he he wanted to go home. By the time 1383 01:24:58,760 --> 01:25:00,960 we hit the driveway. He goes, I'm ready ready to go home. 1384 01:25:00,079 --> 01:25:02,359 If this sucks, we're out of here. And then we went. It 1385 01:25:02,439 --> 01:25:06,000 was great. It was delightful. The whole thing was wonderful. Yeah, 1386 01:25:06,159 --> 01:25:10,000 it's wonderful. All right, we'll take a moment and then go back. 1387 01:25:10,199 --> 01:25:13,479 I have questions about things that we did as kids. Want I probably I 1388 01:25:13,880 --> 01:25:16,920 owe you an apology. I think I've I don't think I've ever sincerely apologized 1389 01:25:17,319 --> 01:25:21,800 for something you'll find out. And then then there were just other things that 1390 01:25:21,880 --> 01:25:26,600 Kevin did that I always always very highly entertained by. The Plug in the 1391 01:25:26,600 --> 01:25:30,399 Eastue Mall has the hottest kicks in town. You heard Rick Hunley, the 1392 01:25:30,399 --> 01:25:32,399 owner, on the podcast. 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They have all those at Red White 1411 01:26:38,159 --> 01:26:41,640 and Brew. You get a charcootery board is a great date night and the 1412 01:26:41,680 --> 01:26:45,039 cool thing is no TVs right, no TVs. There's music in there. 1413 01:26:45,039 --> 01:26:46,960 You can play some board games, you sit and talk and really connect with 1414 01:26:47,000 --> 01:26:49,960 people. They do the same thing with a lot of the breweries in the 1415 01:26:50,000 --> 01:26:54,520 area. So you go over there to one forty seven State Street in Rochester 1416 01:26:54,600 --> 01:26:57,960 and check out Red White and Brew. You can find out more at Red 1417 01:26:57,960 --> 01:27:21,640 White and Brew rock dot com. Put the cag on my coffin, and 1418 01:27:21,960 --> 01:27:27,840 think of me every so often, have a loser's name prayed for all my 1419 01:27:27,920 --> 01:27:35,000 friends. Drink up life like a river till the beats Man delivers. Smile 1420 01:27:35,199 --> 01:27:44,760 and know I loved you till the end. Here's what to do when my 1421 01:27:44,880 --> 01:27:51,560 time comes to pass. But Charlie told me to the reflection in his glass. 1422 01:27:51,960 --> 01:28:01,000 Don't waste time praying because I'm never coming back to store. Party in 1423 01:28:01,520 --> 01:28:09,159 my name and put the keg on my coffin and think every so often I 1424 01:28:09,279 --> 01:28:13,840 have a loser's name raid for one. I think this shill be the song 1425 01:28:14,000 --> 01:28:25,960 they cover one of us. It's Kevin's play as the backs out of them. 1426 01:28:26,159 --> 01:28:30,960 Oh that's Chris Trapper, keg in my coffin. Uh So, when 1427 01:28:31,000 --> 01:28:34,560 we were growing up, I used to you looked like the Chucky Dollar. 1428 01:28:34,640 --> 01:28:38,880 You were this little kid, he had the curly hair, and we wound 1429 01:28:38,960 --> 01:28:41,520 up calling him Chuck. I to this day call you Chuck. I just 1430 01:28:41,680 --> 01:28:44,119 blurted it out the other day in the store we're together, and your kids 1431 01:28:44,159 --> 01:28:47,520 looking be like, how crazy? But uh? And then I used to 1432 01:28:47,640 --> 01:28:51,000 play a game because I'm eight years older than Kevin, and I would take 1433 01:28:51,039 --> 01:28:55,800 these stuffed animals he had a red fox stuffed animal, and I used to 1434 01:28:55,840 --> 01:28:58,840 take it by the tail. I would pop out from around the corner as 1435 01:28:58,880 --> 01:29:00,680 he was starting to walk, and I would try to sweep his legs out 1436 01:29:00,720 --> 01:29:05,000 from under him and watch his little body go horizontal and land. Well, 1437 01:29:05,039 --> 01:29:09,680 that's so horrible because I would like kill my guys, my sons if they 1438 01:29:09,800 --> 01:29:13,239 did that to each other. Marge had Marge, Bill had no clue, 1439 01:29:13,600 --> 01:29:16,800 and you started to scoot to the point where Mom was concerned that you didn't 1440 01:29:16,840 --> 01:29:19,000 know how to walk. But you got around, you got your toys, 1441 01:29:19,039 --> 01:29:21,760 you got everything. And she was very, very worried about all this, 1442 01:29:21,880 --> 01:29:26,439 had to get doctors and stuff. But you were fine, and it was 1443 01:29:26,479 --> 01:29:30,159 just me being an asshole. And but you adapted, just like you figured 1444 01:29:30,159 --> 01:29:33,119 out how to get through Europe, or how to ride your bike across the 1445 01:29:33,199 --> 01:29:39,079 country, or how to navigate through Cornell get your master's degree. Say how 1446 01:29:39,159 --> 01:29:42,640 hard that was, but find all the answers. I think that you learned 1447 01:29:42,640 --> 01:29:45,920 to adapt early on in life, very early on in life. It's well, 1448 01:29:45,960 --> 01:29:49,279 that's it, right, It's just gonna be able to maneuver the ebbs 1449 01:29:49,319 --> 01:29:55,000 and the flue. Is this the last ass grab pictures. Oh god, 1450 01:29:55,000 --> 01:29:58,960 I'd love to put this up on something. I mean, you can tell 1451 01:29:59,159 --> 01:30:08,439 she's very much. She's like she's got they and you don't screw with Allison. 1452 01:30:08,680 --> 01:30:15,720 Alison is no joke's not electrical engineering. She attack. She didn't like 1453 01:30:15,840 --> 01:30:18,199 a joke. She didn't like that, I'm sure, but service to her 1454 01:30:18,239 --> 01:30:26,520 country. Yeah. Now, when I was I remember as when we were 1455 01:30:26,640 --> 01:30:29,600 kids, I was out of the house, but our mom and dad and 1456 01:30:29,760 --> 01:30:33,920 probably mom bought these reindeer that lit up and they were made out of vines 1457 01:30:34,000 --> 01:30:38,600 some kind right like old vineyard mindes that they came through. People see these, 1458 01:30:38,640 --> 01:30:41,760 they spray paint them white and they decorate them. And one would go 1459 01:30:41,920 --> 01:30:45,119 up on its hind legs. One So Dad calls me and tells me that 1460 01:30:45,319 --> 01:30:51,680 you you had he had to deer mounting the other deer in the front lawn. 1461 01:30:53,000 --> 01:30:57,920 And Dad said that they come pull it back up the road. He 1462 01:30:58,119 --> 01:31:03,600 look, so here he goes. Christ was going on Kevin and the dear 1463 01:31:03,720 --> 01:31:10,800 fucking each other on the problem with everything, because you used to have like 1464 01:31:10,960 --> 01:31:15,119 cows and stuff. I would have them like on top just mounted each other. 1465 01:31:16,399 --> 01:31:19,920 See. I was always like accused of doing things that I. Uh. 1466 01:31:20,399 --> 01:31:26,720 There was one time where our grandmother Helen showed up and she got it 1467 01:31:26,920 --> 01:31:30,720 was a plant had a fountain in it, so it was all these plant 1468 01:31:30,720 --> 01:31:33,279 It was like a plant display. And I had a fountain that was running 1469 01:31:33,319 --> 01:31:38,520 a little battery pump or whatever, and it sounded like someone was peeing. 1470 01:31:38,960 --> 01:31:41,920 That's what it sounded like. So I said to Kevin, you know, 1471 01:31:41,920 --> 01:31:45,199 it would be really funny if someone died that yellow. So Kevin goes and 1472 01:31:45,279 --> 01:31:49,960 gets food, die and he dies a yellow, but big splotches land on 1473 01:31:50,079 --> 01:31:55,840 this white oriental rug. Our parents had this wool rug. My father was 1474 01:31:55,880 --> 01:32:00,359 ready. Does he get mad at Kevin? No, because you son of 1475 01:32:00,439 --> 01:32:02,920 a bitch. You saw him. It sounded like someone whispy, and he 1476 01:32:03,079 --> 01:32:06,760 wants to make you laugh. He goes in. I got my ass showed 1477 01:32:08,199 --> 01:32:12,800 like forever, and then the house did burn down. That's true. But 1478 01:32:13,720 --> 01:32:17,119 I remember like we used to torture Kevin two because there was a one eight 1479 01:32:17,239 --> 01:32:20,520 hundred number to what's called Home America. So my buddies and I in college 1480 01:32:20,600 --> 01:32:23,960 knew you were home alone, and we would call you and we would tell 1481 01:32:23,960 --> 01:32:30,720 you that we could see you. We would just go douche bag and he 1482 01:32:30,760 --> 01:32:33,720 would get all nervous. You could hear him at first getting nervous. Then 1483 01:32:33,800 --> 01:32:36,760 I think he figured it out after a while. Bro took me a week. 1484 01:32:40,800 --> 01:32:44,439 We would torture him with that. But then Kevin also like you had 1485 01:32:44,520 --> 01:32:46,640 parties, right, didn't you dig up the backyard? Yeah? And like 1486 01:32:46,800 --> 01:32:49,359 I wasn't around for any of that stuff. Well that was yeah, that 1487 01:32:49,520 --> 01:32:55,119 was yeah, because marsh Bill would go to Europe for two weeks and then 1488 01:32:55,119 --> 01:32:57,720 they would leave me home. So I think it's like my junior and senior 1489 01:32:57,800 --> 01:33:00,079 year, and I would cut a hole out of the grass. But I 1490 01:33:00,159 --> 01:33:03,720 mean it wasn't like a great landscaping anyway, was terrible cut and then I 1491 01:33:03,840 --> 01:33:06,720 put rocks on it and I'd have this great fire. Yeah I did the 1492 01:33:06,760 --> 01:33:10,920 fire would la. Didn't the neighbors come over and complain to you once? 1493 01:33:10,960 --> 01:33:13,880 For once? They while they complain because that's dripping the tractor. They said, 1494 01:33:13,920 --> 01:33:15,079 we know your parents are at home and our babies trying to sleep, 1495 01:33:15,119 --> 01:33:19,000 their babies now only twenty four or twenty five. Uh, you were driving 1496 01:33:19,039 --> 01:33:24,439 the tractor at what time? One in the morning? I can he just 1497 01:33:24,479 --> 01:33:28,399 stop driving the tractor? He's driving the one? Yeah? Sure, Ray 1498 01:33:28,520 --> 01:33:36,199 absolutely put the grass bag. Yeah, like a couple of days. They 1499 01:33:36,199 --> 01:33:39,439 would never know, and they never knew, they never knew. Well, 1500 01:33:39,479 --> 01:33:41,479 that one tis I don't believe you. I don't believe I'm like, yeah, 1501 01:33:41,600 --> 01:33:43,560 these great parties, I don't believe it. He could show me. 1502 01:33:43,880 --> 01:33:46,680 So I started pulling up patches of grass. You told on yourself later on, 1503 01:33:48,199 --> 01:33:51,680 Yeah, because he needed to prove I didn't give a shit. Yeah, 1504 01:33:51,840 --> 01:33:55,600 And he started pulled up patches of grass. And what did he say? 1505 01:33:55,800 --> 01:33:59,279 He's like, holy shit, it really did. There's not even one 1506 01:33:59,359 --> 01:34:01,039 burn, Mark tell there's not like all the wood I pull up in the 1507 01:34:01,239 --> 01:34:05,439 well. He always Dad always admired that you did it with a little bit 1508 01:34:05,479 --> 01:34:11,119 of Potashan style, like Kevin could get get away with anything. Get away 1509 01:34:11,119 --> 01:34:15,319 with that. He would always say to me, Sometimes they don't. Well. 1510 01:34:15,680 --> 01:34:19,239 And then Kevin was telling me a story today that he and our sister 1511 01:34:19,439 --> 01:34:24,119 used to work at the same place and the right department and they used to 1512 01:34:24,199 --> 01:34:28,600 play supervisor. So well, how did supervisor so yeah, because Katie. 1513 01:34:28,680 --> 01:34:30,880 So, Katie is a vegetarian, which is the funniest part. Yes, 1514 01:34:30,920 --> 01:34:32,880 since she worked she is, She's been a vegetarian since she was like mine. 1515 01:34:33,039 --> 01:34:35,720 So we worked at you know, the local grocery store in the meat 1516 01:34:35,760 --> 01:34:40,720 department, and I was more on whatever, it's fine, but you know, 1517 01:34:40,840 --> 01:34:43,479 Katie would play. She was there a couple of years longer than I 1518 01:34:43,680 --> 01:34:45,880 was for some odd reason, and we worked there during our breaks, right, 1519 01:34:46,159 --> 01:34:49,960 but we worked there during our breaks from college, and so we decided 1520 01:34:50,000 --> 01:34:54,199 we start playing these games. And she would pretend that she was the supervisor 1521 01:34:54,279 --> 01:35:00,359 and I was just the bad employee. This is allid act, all that 1522 01:35:00,000 --> 01:35:05,079 to entertain themselves in front of the customers. So I would put the sausage 1523 01:35:05,119 --> 01:35:09,399 in the chicken case. The chicken would be putting this, and she would 1524 01:35:09,399 --> 01:35:11,439 say, hey, listen, you know you've been written up twice this week 1525 01:35:11,439 --> 01:35:13,920 about this. She would do this other people, and we do it in 1526 01:35:14,000 --> 01:35:17,680 front of a customer, and I don't want to have this conversation right now, 1527 01:35:18,680 --> 01:35:21,279 but we need to. We need to start seeing some more improvement here. 1528 01:35:21,760 --> 01:35:25,399 And then people would say, they would they polar size it's really hard 1529 01:35:25,439 --> 01:35:28,640 being a supervit, and then we would talk about it. It wasn't a 1530 01:35:28,720 --> 01:35:33,039 supervin We just played this game. And then the other game that I put 1531 01:35:33,079 --> 01:35:36,359 with Kate would be because we'd see people, right, we'd see like random 1532 01:35:36,359 --> 01:35:39,960 people who knew from like growing up at church of a Kate you know who 1533 01:35:40,000 --> 01:35:44,479 that is, and she's like yeah, yeah, it's like, oh, 1534 01:35:45,199 --> 01:35:50,359 let's go say hi. So if you're forcing meat back into the into the 1535 01:35:50,680 --> 01:35:56,479 cooler or whatever, like hey, can't come on right here. It's missus 1536 01:35:56,640 --> 01:36:00,479 light. Um, this is we haven't seen you until year you Kate's here, 1537 01:36:02,840 --> 01:36:14,520 Katie's timing and this is the ship. We would know it's the ship. 1538 01:36:14,800 --> 01:36:19,880 You did that. It's super What was it the other day? There 1539 01:36:19,960 --> 01:36:24,600 was something that was so funny that you were telling me either you did and 1540 01:36:24,640 --> 01:36:26,800 I said, let's wait for the podcast. I wish I wrote it there, 1541 01:36:27,399 --> 01:36:30,199 but I don't remember what it was. It was something extremely funny. 1542 01:36:30,239 --> 01:36:34,399 But there's always been stuff, yes, dumb, but but but fun stuff 1543 01:36:34,479 --> 01:36:40,000 for sure. And I think that that I always had a great time with 1544 01:36:40,119 --> 01:36:43,880 you. I mean you and I. We went to a cousin's wedding and 1545 01:36:43,960 --> 01:36:45,479 tore it up. I think we were the hits of the wedding. For 1546 01:36:45,600 --> 01:36:49,560 Megan's wedding. Oh that's when we turned off the chocolate fun when they get 1547 01:36:49,880 --> 01:36:56,840 off a chocolate fountain in Florida. What does that fucking off a chocolate co 1548 01:36:57,479 --> 01:37:03,359 existed? Sticking our faces in there, We're doing all that, and then 1549 01:37:03,640 --> 01:37:09,279 at our grandmother's funeral street he streaked and I locked I locked him out and 1550 01:37:09,479 --> 01:37:18,920 he's banging and somebody's we like locked him at the hotel? What do you 1551 01:37:18,960 --> 01:37:23,960 get there? Oh god? It was just a lot of a lot of 1552 01:37:24,039 --> 01:37:26,920 good times. But I'd have to say, if there's one thing that I've 1553 01:37:27,159 --> 01:37:30,319 I've learned tonight because I was kind of thinking, like I was going to 1554 01:37:30,399 --> 01:37:33,039 ask you what did the flight school and the flight stuff, what did you 1555 01:37:33,199 --> 01:37:38,399 learn there? And I don't know if if you did you learn? I 1556 01:37:38,520 --> 01:37:41,119 think you know on that side, you learn process, right, you learn, 1557 01:37:41,279 --> 01:37:44,640 and you you learn organization some ways, and you learn you know, 1558 01:37:44,800 --> 01:37:46,199 that's the verity of the situation. So flying, I think it's a great 1559 01:37:46,319 --> 01:37:50,000 it's a great field to just understand. Right, it's life or death in 1560 01:37:50,079 --> 01:37:53,600 some ways, but it's not. But it's not like oh out die. 1561 01:37:54,239 --> 01:37:57,039 But you learned the process and you learn, yeah, you know some of 1562 01:37:57,079 --> 01:38:00,800 these strategies that kind of help you go forward. And I'll probably get back 1563 01:38:00,840 --> 01:38:03,319 into flying once the kids are older. Yeah, but the uh what I 1564 01:38:03,479 --> 01:38:06,319 was thinking, Like, one of the things that I've learned is there's never 1565 01:38:06,520 --> 01:38:12,680 been uh, I can't in your vocabulary. Well, I just didn't say 1566 01:38:12,720 --> 01:38:15,239 today, no, But I mean I I really, I mean some of 1567 01:38:15,319 --> 01:38:19,640 the things we didn't talk about were you run marathons. You would go party 1568 01:38:19,720 --> 01:38:23,239 till one o'clock in the morning, and then you ran the Philly Marathon, 1569 01:38:23,800 --> 01:38:27,479 one of my best you know, I'm one of one marathon actually was eleven 1570 01:38:27,560 --> 01:38:30,560 years ago this weekend. Yeah. So it was the Vermont Marathon, the 1571 01:38:30,680 --> 01:38:32,239 shittiest marathon I ever ran. And the reason why I was so shitty is 1572 01:38:32,239 --> 01:38:34,800 because I trained for it. Yeah, and I didn't drink the night before 1573 01:38:34,960 --> 01:38:40,079 and then but you went party with our pregnant and you said, I'm not 1574 01:38:40,239 --> 01:38:44,560 gonna drink because my wife is my Yeah. So yeah, most marathon I 1575 01:38:44,600 --> 01:38:49,520 mean, I've gotten marathons. I've baked. Yeah, keep roughing, thro 1576 01:38:50,000 --> 01:38:57,239 Rob, you're nippled, bleeding. Oh my god, I just run through 1577 01:38:57,359 --> 01:39:01,920 the bay. But but I mean that was all after doing the cross country 1578 01:39:02,079 --> 01:39:08,079 right or before the in between. Yeah, you know, I haven't run 1579 01:39:08,119 --> 01:39:11,039 a marathon ten years, but I'd like to get back into it. It's 1580 01:39:11,079 --> 01:39:14,039 a time commitment or sure, and I need to get back to that piece. 1581 01:39:14,079 --> 01:39:15,720 I think it did a half last year. Yeah, I did a 1582 01:39:15,760 --> 01:39:19,199 half marathon last year. But um, but yeah, no, they're running 1583 01:39:19,239 --> 01:39:21,239 that. Those are the things I need to get back into that and really 1584 01:39:21,319 --> 01:39:25,319 kind of you know, for me, it's just like any job, right, 1585 01:39:25,600 --> 01:39:28,800 you know, you can get really absorbed into it. At a certain 1586 01:39:28,880 --> 01:39:30,359 level, you can start to get more absolute time. Yeah, but I 1587 01:39:30,439 --> 01:39:33,239 needed to really kind of make sure them. Well, it sounds like, 1588 01:39:33,720 --> 01:39:36,319 uh, there's been a good balance. I mean some of the other things 1589 01:39:36,359 --> 01:39:41,079 we did, we didn't you as a family ski all winter long, the 1590 01:39:41,159 --> 01:39:45,479 kids ski Dylan who is now six, my nephew has been on ski since 1591 01:39:45,520 --> 01:39:50,720 he's been three, right two two, And so I always feel like there's 1592 01:39:50,760 --> 01:39:54,119 a good life balance. I mean, if you were looking for quality of 1593 01:39:54,199 --> 01:39:59,880 life, you certainly you've certainly exercised it. You could maybe find it any 1594 01:40:00,000 --> 01:40:02,319 where, but you certainly exercise it, and you like where you are. 1595 01:40:02,359 --> 01:40:04,880 And I was up there, you have a you had. I don't know 1596 01:40:04,920 --> 01:40:08,760 if you're doing it. I think COVID kind of screwed it up. But 1597 01:40:08,880 --> 01:40:12,399 around your birthday, that end of the year bash where everybody comes and camps 1598 01:40:12,439 --> 01:40:15,199 on your property and it's like a two or three day pride. We're slipping 1599 01:40:15,279 --> 01:40:20,319 sliding into the pond. Yeah yeah, I think we did it. Yeah 1600 01:40:20,760 --> 01:40:25,760 no, we still do it. Yeah yeah, No, that that balance 1601 01:40:25,920 --> 01:40:30,680 is for sure. It is. We try to maintain it as much we 1602 01:40:30,800 --> 01:40:33,720 can and the kids. Yeah, making sure that there are in those sports 1603 01:40:33,840 --> 01:40:41,359 that like transcend this seasonal boundary, right, like you can't you can't live 1604 01:40:41,399 --> 01:40:45,239 in a space that's like, oh I'm gonna I'm gonna hibernate in the winter. 1605 01:40:45,479 --> 01:40:49,600 Yes, no, we don't allow that to happen. And so and 1606 01:40:49,840 --> 01:40:59,640 we we yeah, you do. So, Like I think where we live 1607 01:40:59,680 --> 01:41:01,039 though, I think we're very very fortunate where we live because you know, 1608 01:41:01,119 --> 01:41:03,840 we have friends that live like one road over and it feels in the suburbs. 1609 01:41:03,920 --> 01:41:06,560 So you know where we live. That piece of property is really cool. 1610 01:41:06,680 --> 01:41:10,439 It allows us to just be fucking assholes and do it well. You 1611 01:41:10,479 --> 01:41:19,800 have a nice yeah, the fish and pond. But the but for you, 1612 01:41:20,479 --> 01:41:24,239 like all the way through, what was it? Because you've had that 1613 01:41:24,560 --> 01:41:30,319 all your life. Every story here on the podcast today has been somewhere where 1614 01:41:30,279 --> 01:41:33,880 maybe there wasn't the perfect work life balance. So you sought that. You 1615 01:41:34,039 --> 01:41:38,960 quit a job, you buy a bike, you cross country, you you're 1616 01:41:39,039 --> 01:41:43,640 in Indiana. You didn't really like that wasn't what you saw. That wasn't 1617 01:41:43,640 --> 01:41:45,960 where you wanted to be. You come home, well you don't. You 1618 01:41:45,960 --> 01:41:46,920 don't want to live at home. You want to do this Europe thing. 1619 01:41:46,960 --> 01:41:50,239 And so you're always looking for that that bunt. What was that? That 1620 01:41:50,560 --> 01:41:55,039 that? Maybe I missed that and was that something our parents taught us? 1621 01:41:55,039 --> 01:42:00,840 Because I wasn't there for that dinner conversation. You're for me. It's always 1622 01:42:00,880 --> 01:42:01,960 trying to strike that balance, right, So you know, work gets a 1623 01:42:01,960 --> 01:42:04,439 little more aggressive, and then you have to get more aggressive on the other 1624 01:42:04,439 --> 01:42:09,800 shid right, you have to kind of really buy back that time. That's 1625 01:42:09,840 --> 01:42:12,000 how I look at it again. You know I look at it, but 1626 01:42:12,520 --> 01:42:16,479 I'm even watching with your kids. You know, you'll you take them and 1627 01:42:16,600 --> 01:42:21,600 it's I think there was something with ice cream where you go off and everybody's 1628 01:42:21,600 --> 01:42:25,560 getting these big sundays. Or you took Mallory while you were here and you 1629 01:42:25,640 --> 01:42:28,920 were off to Old Navy and you're buying a bunch of well yeah, because 1630 01:42:28,960 --> 01:42:32,039 I mean, it's not a shopping trip to Old Navies it's an investment, 1631 01:42:32,119 --> 01:42:34,439 right and buying cheap close for them for the summer. So that's fine. 1632 01:42:34,479 --> 01:42:38,439 But I think for me, one of the great things is that I was 1633 01:42:38,520 --> 01:42:41,119 older right when I got married, when we got married, when we had 1634 01:42:41,119 --> 01:42:43,039 a kid, I was older, and I had done a lot of the 1635 01:42:43,119 --> 01:42:45,279 dumb shit that people need to get out of their systems. Maybe I don't 1636 01:42:45,279 --> 01:42:47,680 know, you know, as I'm still going through it, I got a 1637 01:42:47,720 --> 01:42:49,880 lot of that done. So I have no regrets. Yeah, and that 1638 01:42:50,239 --> 01:42:54,600 so that makes it when I'm dealing with you know, life right now, 1639 01:42:54,680 --> 01:42:57,359 there's never I wish I should have I could have. Damn it. You 1640 01:42:57,399 --> 01:43:00,279 know, you held me back from you know, being able to out and 1641 01:43:00,279 --> 01:43:01,560 I'm gonna, you know, and having it because I see, I see 1642 01:43:01,680 --> 01:43:05,319 friends. I have friends right now who you know you held me back. 1643 01:43:05,479 --> 01:43:08,800 Or I need to go out and I need to go hang out with my 1644 01:43:08,880 --> 01:43:11,479 buddies at the bar. I don't have that. I don't feel that, 1645 01:43:12,359 --> 01:43:15,279 and I think it's because of I've set time for that earlier in my career 1646 01:43:16,159 --> 01:43:18,479 and now I can kind of focus on the two things, which is family 1647 01:43:18,520 --> 01:43:21,119 and work. Right. I was, you know, some of the something 1648 01:43:21,159 --> 01:43:26,239 else that we did not mentioned at all though in terms of that fun and 1649 01:43:26,640 --> 01:43:34,600 balance you were the royal reveler that I am shocked that had not come up 1650 01:43:34,720 --> 01:43:40,520 yet. But I know, I guess I shot past that not even thinking. 1651 01:43:40,960 --> 01:43:44,960 But when Kate and William got married, yeah, uh, you went 1652 01:43:45,079 --> 01:43:49,560 over for the wedding and Dad made you sequenced tails red white to do sequenced 1653 01:43:49,560 --> 01:43:53,439 tails. Did you have a top hat? Yes, I had a top 1654 01:43:53,520 --> 01:43:57,119 hat. I had, Yeah, I had you made balloon animals on. 1655 01:43:57,560 --> 01:44:00,399 I had two suits. I had one that had the Uni jack. It 1656 01:44:00,520 --> 01:44:02,479 was a vest that I wore out on the first night, so I guess 1657 01:44:02,520 --> 01:44:09,720 that would be the rehearsal dinner night and then and then I wore the other 1658 01:44:09,920 --> 01:44:12,800 the other suit. But yeah, Dad was living in Florida at the time 1659 01:44:12,800 --> 01:44:15,800 and he made that costume. I think that we still have them. Yeah, 1660 01:44:15,800 --> 01:44:17,760 oh yeah, I still have that. But that was before he made 1661 01:44:17,800 --> 01:44:21,720 the clown costume. Oh yes, yes, definitely, those were the errors 1662 01:44:21,760 --> 01:44:28,119 of the really good clown costume and that yeah, because that was before Mallory, 1663 01:44:28,560 --> 01:44:34,199 like that was almost a solid year before and were you I was pregnant 1664 01:44:34,319 --> 01:44:42,119 when you graduated from Clown Clown College class Clown Class clown of the clown class. 1665 01:44:42,279 --> 01:44:44,520 You were the class clown of the clown class. Yes, it was 1666 01:44:44,720 --> 01:44:50,960 so. Yeah, these are fascinating stuff. Let me let me go back 1667 01:44:50,960 --> 01:44:56,079 to the Royal Reveler though. You went over there one other guy, Ja 1668 01:44:56,600 --> 01:44:59,560 Jason, my buddy Jason, and you were going to camp out. Yeah, 1669 01:44:59,600 --> 01:45:01,439 and I did yeah, and he said yeah, So I went. 1670 01:45:01,560 --> 01:45:05,359 I flew over for three days I think it was three days. Yeah. 1671 01:45:05,640 --> 01:45:10,439 And the whole thing was again, I was cheap. I was living in 1672 01:45:10,479 --> 01:45:13,399 Florida and I didn't have cable, and then there's like a free cable package, 1673 01:45:13,399 --> 01:45:15,600 so I got it and I watched them on the morning shows are going 1674 01:45:15,640 --> 01:45:17,000 on, Hey, if you haven't booked your flights to come to Europe, 1675 01:45:17,000 --> 01:45:20,520 you still can you can camp out. Oh great, well this is what 1676 01:45:20,600 --> 01:45:27,800 I'm doing. So that night I booked the flights a dad, I got 1677 01:45:27,840 --> 01:45:30,000 two weeks for you to make me a costume. I need tails, and 1678 01:45:30,119 --> 01:45:33,439 I knew you hate this. You said this too. Yes, holy shit, 1679 01:45:33,680 --> 01:45:39,119 he got right on it. Here's even funnier. My best friend at 1680 01:45:39,159 --> 01:45:45,479 the time from college was the mayor's daughter. Okay, and and her I 1681 01:45:45,640 --> 01:45:49,079 are still very close, very good friends, and I'm like, hey, 1682 01:45:50,479 --> 01:45:54,760 we're together, like you should be my date to this wedding, and he's 1683 01:45:54,800 --> 01:45:59,079 like, I have to go to another wedding. I have some intend to 1684 01:45:59,199 --> 01:46:01,680 different wedding. Way, so you blew her off to go to the royal 1685 01:46:01,760 --> 01:46:06,000 wedding. He blew off the mayor's daughter, the Mayor's daughter, the Mayor 1686 01:46:06,039 --> 01:46:17,760 of Orlando's daughter. Yes, she's now divorced. And you made it to 1687 01:46:17,840 --> 01:46:24,920 the cover of the Irish Times, the Daily Mail. And then I made 1688 01:46:25,000 --> 01:46:29,479 Yahoo's like top ty Who's top twenty photos of the Royal wedding? Yes, 1689 01:46:29,600 --> 01:46:32,000 and because people I think that looks like Kevin, but I don't think he's 1690 01:46:32,079 --> 01:46:40,560 in England. Yeah, yeah, that was Kevin. Okay, Royal I 1691 01:46:40,640 --> 01:46:45,239 made two lumbirds kissing in her heart. That was my blue animal. Yes, 1692 01:46:45,279 --> 01:46:55,039 you were the most energetic Royal wedding reveler. Yeah. And then where 1693 01:46:55,079 --> 01:46:58,920 did the balloon animals? That was clown college or No, No, that 1694 01:46:59,079 --> 01:47:02,840 was just something you have some book. Right, So this goes back when 1695 01:47:02,920 --> 01:47:05,920 my kids were a little No, like I was in high school. Okay, 1696 01:47:05,920 --> 01:47:09,640 I don't think here, I don't even think Yeah. And so it 1697 01:47:09,920 --> 01:47:15,159 was around Mother's Day. Yeah, and I was joking with the kids, 1698 01:47:15,199 --> 01:47:16,439 said, well, I'm a motherfucker. I'm gonna buy myself a Mother's Day 1699 01:47:16,479 --> 01:47:20,039 gifts. So I bought a book on how to make boot animals, okay, 1700 01:47:20,279 --> 01:47:24,760 and I taught myself how to make boot animals and then I was blowing 1701 01:47:24,800 --> 01:47:27,199 them up and doing all that stuff. And yeah, because used to do 1702 01:47:27,319 --> 01:47:30,479 it for the boys. Jordan loved it. Yeah, and uh, I 1703 01:47:30,600 --> 01:47:32,159 never really But here's the thing. I always like to say that, you 1704 01:47:32,239 --> 01:47:34,880 know, I never get too deep into this stuff, like I just do 1705 01:47:35,039 --> 01:47:39,199 it like good magic, dumb bad, like yeah, you know, they're 1706 01:47:39,520 --> 01:47:42,000 you can make. And I did take some classes lord how to make these 1707 01:47:42,039 --> 01:47:44,920 other bloons, but like they did just become a fucking weirdo. Yeah, 1708 01:47:45,359 --> 01:47:47,000 I don't want to do that. Like I got to talk about the kind 1709 01:47:47,039 --> 01:47:51,039 of boons I have, so um yeah. So yeah, I went over 1710 01:47:51,119 --> 01:47:55,279 to the wedding and yeah, I made a bunch of love birds and hearts 1711 01:47:55,359 --> 01:47:59,239 and people throw the money at me, and you know, these people were 1712 01:47:59,319 --> 01:48:02,159 going out and drink and so I met all these British folks and like for 1713 01:48:02,399 --> 01:48:08,800 the for the coronation, like hey, you coming over, Like I wrote, 1714 01:48:08,920 --> 01:48:12,640 not my king, but I'm like, yeah, I think that'll be 1715 01:48:12,680 --> 01:48:18,079 our family ships. Oh, that would be very funny about And the clown 1716 01:48:18,159 --> 01:48:21,800 college, that's a that's a real thing. He went in the Orlando Yeah, 1717 01:48:21,840 --> 01:48:26,399 and that wasn't you know? That's this one gets the most out of 1718 01:48:26,439 --> 01:48:29,079 all the stuff I've done. It. This is the one that gets the 1719 01:48:29,159 --> 01:48:31,640 most legs. It's usually the clowns school thing. But yeah, there's a 1720 01:48:31,720 --> 01:48:36,319 clown alley, so clowns. So for the whole idea of clowns. Clowns 1721 01:48:36,399 --> 01:48:40,319 they called the clown alley because the alley would be between the two caravans that 1722 01:48:40,399 --> 01:48:43,319 the clowns came in on, and that was kind of their space. Yeah, 1723 01:48:43,399 --> 01:48:45,960 you know, behind the circus. That was their their private space. 1724 01:48:45,399 --> 01:48:48,279 So these clown alleys, that's kind of like the Elks Club more or less 1725 01:48:48,439 --> 01:48:55,000 now, um so they I joined the clown Alley in Orlando and it was 1726 01:48:55,039 --> 01:49:00,640 in like this dirty church, right, and it was the most interesting weird 1727 01:49:00,199 --> 01:49:03,760 people. You'd you would even associate with these people during the day. Who 1728 01:49:03,800 --> 01:49:06,319 are they? But it was great because I would hang out with them at 1729 01:49:06,399 --> 01:49:10,199 night two to three nights a week and do the clown school thing, and 1730 01:49:10,319 --> 01:49:13,880 then two to three days at four in the morning, I was running with 1731 01:49:13,920 --> 01:49:18,359 the top type a personalities like CEOs, all these people, and I was 1732 01:49:18,399 --> 01:49:23,920 in a running group like on the other side of Orlando, like and these 1733 01:49:24,199 --> 01:49:27,119 and so like I would go some days I'd be like op at four in 1734 01:49:27,159 --> 01:49:30,640 the morning running and then I'd be in like some dirty church church with these 1735 01:49:30,760 --> 01:49:35,199 people that like you did You're like, where do they even sleep? And 1736 01:49:35,319 --> 01:49:40,359 it was so cool because you're dealing with all these personalities and I really enjoyed 1737 01:49:40,439 --> 01:49:43,920 that. Yeah, I've always been a fan of that myself. It all 1738 01:49:44,000 --> 01:49:45,840 walks a life, all walks the life. It was very interesting. This 1739 01:49:45,920 --> 01:49:50,000 has been maybe one of my absolute favorite pid not maybe, but absolutely one 1740 01:49:50,000 --> 01:49:56,600 of my favorite podcasts. I don't I don't say that everybody rapper, but 1741 01:49:56,680 --> 01:50:01,359 Chris Trapper would be fun Rochester for my Oh he is what's she doing? 1742 01:50:01,680 --> 01:50:08,880 Party? The party? All right? Wolf? Hang on? We might 1743 01:50:08,920 --> 01:50:11,600 have to pause this. I do this once in a while where I don't 1744 01:50:11,640 --> 01:50:15,159 exactly wrap up the show. But I thought I was having six three Rochester, 1745 01:50:15,279 --> 01:50:19,479 New York, Buffalo on the second and Geneva on the fourth, So 1746 01:50:19,600 --> 01:50:24,159 what I wonder where he's playing on the third I'll have to find out what 1747 01:50:24,319 --> 01:50:27,680 day of the week is that. That's a Saturday, that's this Saturday. 1748 01:50:28,000 --> 01:50:31,600 Second is a Friday, Yeah, this Saturday, Sunday. Sunday is the 1749 01:50:31,680 --> 01:50:36,359 fourth, Sundays the fourth. So he's playing the fourth. We're okay, 1750 01:50:38,000 --> 01:50:42,960 well we do the podcast. Oh shit, sorry. Third, he's playing 1751 01:50:43,000 --> 01:50:45,840 Geneva on the fourth. Third, he's playing Saturday. Yeah, that's what 1752 01:50:45,840 --> 01:50:50,079 I mean. Yeah, but yes, it is. It's very close. 1753 01:50:50,119 --> 01:50:54,359 It's very close. Maybe we can get him in that time. That would 1754 01:50:54,359 --> 01:50:58,920 be very nice. I would love that. Chris trapperd for Kevin Moran, 1755 01:50:59,159 --> 01:51:12,920 for Morgan Moran, and I'm Bill Moran. We'll see you tomorrow. I 1756 01:51:13,079 --> 01:51:15,439 woke up in the hotel, didn't know what to do. I turned a 1757 01:51:15,560 --> 01:51:18,720 TV you rule a letter to you, and this is talk. Didn't go 1758 01:51:18,880 --> 01:51:20,640 to day the Morda