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Did you j have sex with on
Saturday morning? Someone lives in my building

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and comes over sometimes so handy.
Where it was? Hi, guys,

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and welcome to this week's episode on
the Latch podcast. Today it's me your

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host JP Longland. Yes, Sue's
Beg Beg Beg energy season for she is

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coming. Yeah, last episode and
she suddenly comes up with a bit just

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in time, finally given energy because
I've got two weeks left yea of school.

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She wants a difficult Yes. Who
sorry, I just did your bit.

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There's the black game. She's here
barely to me at guy pusy.

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I am also back. Hi,
Where have you been? Have you been

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somewhere? I was in Italy just
now. The pictures were gorge thank you

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um. And I was in Glastonbury
before that. How was Glastonbury? Oh

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my god? It was so much
fun any t. I had a lot

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of fun. I was in the
hospitality area with glamping. Yeah, no,

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I was. I had lovely you
know. I was in the EE

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tent with Tilda Swinton just sort of
having prosecco and cash. It was so

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cash and weird, like she was
just sitting there like dripping in channel and

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I'm like, why are you here? I know why I'm here, and

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I'm cheap and broke, so you
tell me there's free pizza. I will

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ignore the music that's going on.
But like, you're an Oscar winning actress.

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But what's she liked because she's she
looks so Ethereal yeah she did,

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she was, she looked at did
It was almost like you were like,

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I'm not sure if you told me, but she was never here all along.

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Yeah, I'd be like, I
guess someone was like, no,

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she's in La right now. I'd
be like, oh, yeah, sure,

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it's like Petronus or something. A
mirrage has a mirage. Um.

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So, yeah, I had a
lot of fun. I stayed in this

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little Wendy house. Oh yeah,
I didn't I hear a story about that.

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I had some fun in a little
Wendy house. It wasn't my Wendy

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House. Someone else's Wendy house.
Someone in the back doors of those Wendy

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house blew off. No. No, non penetrative sex is nevertheless difficult in

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the Wendy House, really difficult.
It was like, yeah, um,

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it was like five foot four the
Wendy House. Wendy House is like a

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little shed for kids. But that's
where we all slept in these posh little

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Wendy houses. Um. So I
saw Lizzo and she was amazing so good.

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I saw Miley. I was dancing
next to Miley at three o'clock in

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the morning at the glade next to
Bit with the Faithless. But she had

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like a bucket hat arm and I
couldn't like be like Cyrus because I know

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she'd be like, no, of
course, Pip like when Lindsay Lohan was

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like when she got back accident weirdly. Oh god, oh no, no,

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absolutely not. I am Hannah more
Tanner. Yeah, so Minley ash

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oh, Darling, Darling. The
Killers was amazing. They brought perpet shop

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boys on and that was really fun. Yea pride, it was. I

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had a really really fun time.
Did you see Kylie? I don't like

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Kylie? You know, my god, you know I'm not going on.

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I should have dragged you probably because
that's one of the things that actually people's

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that's one of the things that people
have come up to me and said,

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I cannot believe guys had that about
Kylie. It turned my stomach the old

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Pixie lot. It's accurate, you
know, I always Kylie being like I

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got a new pa, I got
a new attitude like you is an absolute

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bart. No, it is terrible. I'm saying that she's mediocre as is.

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Wow anyway anywhere, Congratulations, Tokali
is now number fucking one with her

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step time CD. We do stand
here? Oh she dropped another one?

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Didn't know? Yeah, always on
the pulse step. Gay rathmumps out in

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full fourth. Ye, I've been
very well. Thank you very good,

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David. How are you? Where
have you been good? I'm good.

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I've been gathering my energy up.
Yeah, you know, any dick of

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course, you know now I've got
a little bit more free time in my

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hands, in your hand, not
coming to record the podcast that as well?

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Yeah, anyone's I would taste like
and wow, A lady does not

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tell but I have been seeing someone
and is it your cousin? Wow?

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Why would he? Is the writer
in from episode one circle? No,

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of course not who is You don't
have to tell us everything, but you

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have to tell us something classified information, all of it. I mean,

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after the podcast, I'll tell you
give us like a tiny snippet. What's

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like, how long have you been
dating? I mean it's still very much

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early days. But like a couple
of weeks again, very much early days.

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But we're still getting to know each
other. And have you fucked.

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I'm enjoying it. No, oh
my god, marriage you were ely I

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know. Can't wait. I'm John's
coming soon. I could feel it.

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U M M I n g.
Oh that's cute. Hope you well touch

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would yeah, definitely, yeah,
you better touch words to you. Just

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find out I recorded podcast and just
dump me. No, I mean only

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be listened to it. Actually,
that reminds me now I will listen to

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his first episode of on the Latch, not last week, the week before

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which one, Um, not the
Pride one, the one before one.

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I don't think I was in it. I was like, okay, that's

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probably the best, um, and
he said, yeah, I mean he

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usually doesn't listen to because he calls
it Josh will see propaganda, which isn't

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that's true. That's true. That's
true. You know I'm out here in

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doctrinate in the children. Yes,
any but on a series note, So

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that was quite Baganda Wow, Phil
Sam's impact. Um, yeah, so

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that was yeah, So that was
quite cute. I'm dead, I'm absolutely

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deceased. We'll get into the reason
why shortly? Okay, but how are

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you jumped thirteen? That's too much. So we're recording this the day after

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UK Black Pride, at the end
of a wild Pride weekend. Mine started

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on Friday with Sleandon. Oh god, oh my god, let me tell

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I had not hope. Okay,
So so on Friday I got a little

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bit as usual messium watching Sleendon and
somehow became the start of this random Scottish

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floggers what Instagram story? Um at
totally Evelyn showered to her that at totally

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Evelyn on Instagram. Okay, it's
not there anymore, rely, because it

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was more than twenty five hours ago. I'd message her and in the morning

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I woke up. I was like, was I dancing with a lady in

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a green dress last night? And
was just like, you're on her Instagram

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story, Josh, you can take
over from here, because when I saw

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the fugging Instagram droy, I was
cackling. It started off just kind of

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being a bit of a voya.
Sorry baby, she would being a bit

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of a voya, like, you
know, you were having an absolute moment

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and he was doing this classic JB
long leg. When he does it doesn't

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dance. He doesn't like this lean
back, like the big lean back,

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and he was really in it.
He was so invested, and so she

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was kind of enjoying and getting in
on the action. Then slowly but surely,

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she started inserting herself into the drama. God, I thought there was

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something else. Yeah it was a
p OV. It's what lean would have

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wanted, gay right, Um but
yeah, so it just it just became

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more and more pharsical as the story
went on. And it was off cause

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one of those where like dot dot
dot Yeah exactly. Um, and yeah,

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you were just fully in it.
You were hugging Seene John singing My

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Heart Will go On. Obviously,
my boyfriend's somewhere in the background, and

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I'm just wrapped around this random woman
having a big old moment. It was

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I don't remember it didn't didn't you
made or hold her that? Oh yeah

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yeah yeah, maybe my boyfriend hold
her back because I could dance with her.

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Oh my god, absolutely as that's
absolutely comp deserved. I mean,

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did you enjoy it or do you
did you feel exploited? I mean he

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looked like he loved I know,
I really I really enjoyed myself. Seint

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John was absolutely incredible. I do
you remember seeing John being there quid to

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see her? So yeah, it
was such a good day. But how

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is everybody's Pride weekend? Oh?
It was good? It was really you

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remember it? I mean I like, I remember the London Pride really well.

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I feel like I want to laugh
most of it. You have such

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pensive pauses. I'm sorry, I'm
literally just trying to like drag some memories.

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I'm not to remember it. Love
marching with Stonewall Pride. That was

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really nice, although I did get
a little bit panini pressed. You did

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via twistably because I saw the day
before we were marching that we were in

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We were in section K. There's
only eleven. I mean there's only only

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goes up to l um And so
as you can imagine, I was absolutely

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prissed because we were, like we
said, we weren't setting off. Ton't

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know who you are? Thank you? Hi. This is Josh Willisy at

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Stonewall Houses. I'm drinking out and
drinking but is it? So? Then

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it says I obviously like I'd had
a few gelerts when I found this out.

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So I talked to Twitter and was
like, really interesting to know that

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there's like over one hundred and fifty
companies ahead of it. You know,

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an lg ETQ charity that like homes
LGBT alness people provide services for domestic violence.

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Like it's literally working with dissen manage
of people in the city. Yeah,

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you know what I mean. Um, and it popped off, oh

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of course, and I at London
Pride. Yeah, but you have a

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definite problem. I mean, like
at the end of the day and like

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they say, oh, it's rotated. It's oh, it's rotated, it's

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rotated. We'll let me tell you
what. It's not rotated for everyone,

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because I've marched in that about four
times and I don't I don't remember ever

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being in great Also, of course
it doesn't rotate. The headline bonds a

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la la lahlah. So you know
there is something around it is like,

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yeah, it's a bit broken now. And I know you can say it's

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not all about who's at the fund
whatever. That's fair. That's that's that's

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a fair comment. However, I
do think that LGBT charities and charities that

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are working specifically with LGBT people should
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also I think that it's worth,
mentioning that gay spaces like the Royal of

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Voxhall Tavern could not afford quite high
subscription fees to be able to march.

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And yeah, I know that they're
not a charity, but they are.

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They are providing an incredibly valuable service
to the LGBTT community in this in this

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city. And so for them to
be like pown not be able to spend

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the several hundred pounds that's required for
a business to march in Pride because they

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are giving preference to the conglomerates that
can give thousands, it's also that is

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also unacceptable. There's a huge problem. Absolutely, And everybody who was like

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there were some people who are like, you know, it rotates every year.

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But I'm like, but that's working
off the assumption that like everyone can

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afford it every year. Privilege.
Yeah, privilege anyway, I guess there's

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nap room for everybody. Yeah.
But yeah, as I said via Twitter,

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you know, it wasn't your favor
supermarket that through the first reduced past

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apartment. I'm getting it on a
T shirt. Hapitalism winds Jesus, I'm

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not coming to stores near you of
me. Oh my god. Well,

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you know, I want to get
some men of trash drop sharps. And

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that's the one thing I'm really scared
actually edit that out copyright copyright. Would

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you have it on the front of
a jock or would you have it on

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the strap back? On the strap
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are on the front and then on
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your whole look like a trash shoot. I mean, well tr tea babes

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if the drop fits garbage just both
wow, um you you just had to

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lower the quiet even a double on
Toendra And one of my favorite things from

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IM. I didn't really enjoy Saturday
at all. I spelt I spent my

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entire Saturday in a queue for what
fucking thing. First of all, Tesco,

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thanks so much for throwing your money
at Pride in London. But also

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like ah, the qube went up
and down every fucking aisle, every aisle,

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pissed off and some love to people
in the que they were great.

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And then you should have bought things
before I did. But you know what

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I'm like, I drink a lot
of booze. Yeah, I can't possibly

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carry that much booze. I'm one
man. And then I got out of

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the cue for Tesco and Ha's que
for the Toilet, and as I was

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literally about to piss myself literally,
some man grabbed me from behind and was

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like, John from that podcast,
you're my favorite. I'm trying to pretend

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I'm not starstruck right now. I
don't know who you are, but you're

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my favorite too. You're not my
favorite. That was a long way to

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humble Brack. I got you,
gotta set the same And then the rest

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of the day was just a bit
like stagnated. I think we spent a

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lot of time sat in Soho Square
and then I got yelled at on the

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and the tube journey home, some
random angry woman was just unprovoked, sat

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opposite me my boy friend and was
like, hadn't spoken to her, hadn't

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even made eye contact, and she's
limped forward, lit me in the eye,

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went He's poisoned. And I was
just that was me. I was

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just like, what And he's going
to who you call him? Fucking poison

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And he's like shy and timid at
the best of the times. And she's

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like yeah, and she's like it's
gonna last six months maximum. He's poisoned.

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He's poisoned and her mate sat there
like, oh my, what are

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you doing? That's what he's doing. Absolutely weird. Next tube, this

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woman covered head to toe, straight
woman, obviously covered in head to toe

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in rainbows. I've got my KFC. I mean, quite a good mood.

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I'm a little bit tipsy. I'm
like, oh, how is your

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pride? Babes? She's like,
oh, yeah, really gratized that my

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whole day looking at game and dicks, Like what a day in soho I

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don't know, sat in a toilet
at somewhere. She was like, who

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doesn't want to I was like,
rise, that's quite problematic, right,

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yeah, of course. And she's
like, no, I don't realize that.

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Who doesn't want to look at a
game man doctor's dick all day?

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Doctor's dick? He apparently was one
of them, was a doctor. Now,

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guys, really interesting dropped the Pine
Street, the hospital, glory hole

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somewhere I'm not aware of. It's
just a fucking like, a really weird

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day that I didn't enjoy fifty six
Could you imagine fifty sixteen street glory hole?

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Oh my god, my god,
straight after the Jagger. No,

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you'd have to have a post medication
Glory Hull. Yeah, okay, anyway,

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so yes, sorry, we were
talking about being hate crammed back to

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you. I wouldn't know. I
wasn't being specifically hate crime, but I

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think gaming in general will being objectified. But that's fine. I got groped

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at Glastonbury by this woman and she
was like, oh, but your assuk

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so good in that rumper and I
was like, I know it does,

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but like if I had done that
to you, that would be a not

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the conversation, and she was like
ha ha, and I'm like like it's

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fine, like I'm not angry,
like you know, we're dancing and it's

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fine, but it's like, just
don't don't do it, So don't do

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it because it would be like I
would be kicked out of this festival.

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Yeah if someone saw me doing that
to you, because I your ask looks

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fun in no sequence, ha um, you look great in that room.

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But oh I know, I do, I know? I did, she

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say, as she lays down and
splexes my legs her legs. No,

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I love that rump. I'm gonna
wear it everywhere. You should? Did

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you you wore one? You wore? I wore the same one yesterday yeah.

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Someone said that I looked like a
paramedic and I was like, bitch,

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And she's like a sexy paramedic and
the same womanizes her on the tube.

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She loves a doctor. Anyway,
did David guy, did you go

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to Pride? I didn't go either. Last year was the first time I

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went to London Pride. I mean, oh yeah, it was shame being

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a Londoner um. But I had
a good time. But I just didn't

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enjoy it. I don't know why. I there was something about it that

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I didn't feel A bit off.
Yeah, it felt off, like it

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feels like London Pride feels a bit
spaced out, like there's two many people

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and it's spaced out at the same
time. Like I don't know, I

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don't I don't know how to describe
it. But I just didn't. I

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didn't feel it as much as I
do when I mean Manchester Pride my first

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ever Pride that I went to.
Oh, I love it. I love

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it. Like did you get a
general sense of community? Yeah, up

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there, but in London, no, and I can see too much.

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I can't really deal. Yeah,
And I can see why London Pride is

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way down there in like the rankings
of the best Pride. I would say

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it's all about the march, and
then after that, I just feel like

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it's just a bit yeah, like
everyone's kind of like milling a back.

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Yeah, it needs a part like
the brain needs end in like Hyde Park

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or something. Then it would feel
like like that's the difference between Like I

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mean, there's lots of difference between
London Pride and Black Pride, but that

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is one of the biggest I think
that's really what they should do. They

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should do the parade. You turn
right epicted circuits instead of left. Yeah,

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you walk down past the Green Park
and then you end up in Hyde

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Park. That's what we should do. Like a kind of nice secure walled

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area is that the people will still
end up in Soho but there's not many

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people, Like it's just you can't
move. And then I said, accused

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for toilets. I had to as
well. Had to. I had to,

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like, you know, when you
why am I going to about to

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tell you that I pissed myself on
the podcast, you know, like when

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you just need to release the pressure
from your bladder. And I was like

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I was wearing some new pants and
I like Dick was just flopping up the

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cycle little bit brief, but so
apparently asos breefs don't fit very well,

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and I was I just need to
release the pressure, thinking that my little

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dripple go in to my pants.
I'm gonna have to edit this out right,

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and it didn't. It went all
into my light dinning shorts. So

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I had to refashion my flag as
like as the wrong. I pissed myself

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and pissed yourself a pride, Yeah, basically that's what I'm saying. Yeah,

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good for you. Oh my god, golden shower, it is going

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to be going. You're gonna get
like, like, send me the shots.

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I was just like, honestly,
at this sevent at this point,

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at this point, take them.
However, yesterday UK Black Pride so much

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fun what I wanted to go?
Yes then why didn't you, darling?

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I just didn't feel it again,
I really wanted, yeah, I really

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wanted when it came to it,
I just I just didn't feel it,

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like I don't know, just before
yeah I went last year. Um,

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I mean I feel like pride as
for me, it's kind of losing its

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touch. Wow, I don't I
don't know why I feel that way but

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I feel like I don't feel involved, Like I don't feel well, you

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won't be fucking involved, you don't
turn it off, shut top, but

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you're not engaged by it in the
same way that it used to be.

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Um, I don't know, I
don't know what it is, but I

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just I just feel like I'm over
it, the internalized homophobia. I definitely,

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I definitely see what you mean,
because like I did not get to

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Pride on Saturday because I have kind
of been disillusioned with it, and I

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went I just went to a friend's
house and we all, you know,

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we just had a kind of nice
gay time and drank and just sort of

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fingered each other, fingered each other. No, no, no, no,

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there were women there. Um well, and also I don't think of

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my friends the misogyny. But so
I've definitely but I will like I did

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got a black Pride and I thought
it was amazing. I really did.

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I felt so um welcome and just
sort of went to a couple of talks

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and I had a drink or two
and danced to some really good music,

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and I felt that that's how Pride
should be. Actually, I think having

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that enclosed space where you show up, your check, your que up,

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you you're checked on arrival, You
get a drink at a bar. There

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are several bars, there are several
stalls. There's a field with music.

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I think that was kind of how
pride should be. I loved it.

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I thought it was really wonderful.
Yeah, it was lovely. Could have

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done with a few more bars.
I actually always say that been at least

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one more bar. I think is
either I didn't mind that que as much

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because like, everyone's having a nice
time, beans in a tesco, thought

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all of your prior, isn't this
fun? Like I fucking adore yesterday?

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It was so good, so everybody
I knew, Yah, everyone's having the

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best time. I didn't see you, didn't see me, No, you

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know me why I had a good
time. I saw Josh. I don't

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think Josh remember seeing me, but
absolutely ages I do remember all of it.

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In the park, I saw Raheim
as well. Rahem sends his love.

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He had to be a bank for
the condoms, so it was like,

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what the like? You know,
I don't use you know, I'm

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roaring him positive dripping now, absolutely, Kiley, stop it. There was

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a plastic bag in there from for
leaking no, no, you could was

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for JD Sports, but like you
could use it. It was nice to

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see him as well. That's cute. Yeah, I mean it was such

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a joyful day and it kind of
just reminds me. It was like,

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yes, this is what I'm here
for. Yeah, this is a day

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for us to just kind of exist
and to celebrate. So I absolutely adored

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it, and I do remember all
the part it was just the glories.

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I don't remember. It's obviously massive
hats off to like Lady Phil and Rivers

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and to everybody else who was involved
that it shout out to everybody. We

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had fun. But my favorite part
was was Josh Willisy screaming in my face.

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Tell me, tell me that one
of your best friends. Tell me,

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I am in no way need to
slowly. I like to play,

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Like what can I say? I
just needed to hear the words of for

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it to feel natural. I think
that what really struck me this year.

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You know, I wasn't at probably
on Saturday, but just kind of watching

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on social media and also just being
a black point on Sunday. I just

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felt there was such a sense of
solidarity and an inclusion across the whole community

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in a way that I haven't really
witnessed before, and I thought that was

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really healthy and really kind of galvanizing. I thought that was really I just

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really warmed me. It was so
so lovely to see so many trans,

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so many transflagers. Yeah, so
many trans flags, so much so many

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trans people on the march and naturally
end up Black Pride as well, And

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just to see that kind of visibility
and ally ship, you know, particularly

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after last year what happened on the
March, it was so nice to actually

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just see people coming together and yeah, that's what we need now more than

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ever. So it was just it
was really really lovely. And each year

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you're just seeing more people like just
living their best lives, living in their

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most authentic selves. You know,
there's so much hate within within the community

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at the moment, and just to
see that kind of that solidarity was such

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a really beautiful thing. It certainly
felt a lot more political year in terms

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of the amount of different flags withferent
parts of the community. We saw people

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seem to be a lot more respect
full of Pride as of protests as opposed

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to as a party. From what
I saw, at least from my base

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out of my asking a whole square
and even even the wonder to it myself.

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Yeah, I have a pissy puddle. Yeah, it certainly felt a

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lot more aware, I think.
I mean, I think generally people are

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becoming like, not just over the
weekend, people are becoming more aware.

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People are calling out ship where it
needs to be called out, like I

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was when I was at Glastonbury.
I might not have mentioned that was at

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Glastonbury. What did you say in
you? And I was, you know,

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hosted anyway roasted? I was,
It was very warm, but I

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am anyway. I bumped into I
was with some friends and they we linked

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up with some other friends and then
obviously one of them was like, oh

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my god, one of my friends
is here that you would love, Oh

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my god, you'd love him.
And I was like, you just mean

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he's gay, right, And they
were like, no, you'd really get

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on with it. You know.
What it meant was there's another gay here

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too, So at some point you
kind of joined us, and there was

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definitely there is something their intention,
but like we'd hear off. But my

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friend was speaking to him first and
he she was like, you're having a

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nice time, you know, in
liking the music. He's like oh my

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god, I'm loving it all except
for storm Sea. And she was like

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why and he's like, oh,
he's just so angry. And she was

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like, oh, so you're racist
and he was like no, and she

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was like yeah. She was like
you are. He's like, what do

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you mean, He's like she's She
was like, you are falling in line

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with this horrible trope of like black
music and aggression and rage, and that's

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racist. Tea is tea, I
mean, And I to make people call

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that out, like even like I
friend friends of mine would never have sort

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of like stood that pot in that
way before my friends, and I think

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people are like falling, like they're
getting woke, y'all, opening y'all.

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And so he left. She's sorry, I hope you actually want to suck

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his not after that. No,
but like, oh yeah, that was

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an absolute fucking momentum, and there
was it was a lot of hate online.

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Someone like said all you got to
do is put in a cup of

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tea and it's like, not my
cup of tea. That's a bit too.

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It was just so many tweets it
was actually ridiculous. It's like,

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yeah, you stay mad. Did
you see that iconic Billy Billy bought talking

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about how he wore a dress.
Yea, he made people uncomfortable. Good.

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I was like, yes, yeah, so hard. He's to take

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an up space in working twenty nineteen
slash twenty like I am here, I

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am queer, and I am here
to fucking protest for our motherfucking rites.

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You know. Yeah, I really
felt that this year in a way that

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I hadn't before. And we spoke
about this pretty last week. But we

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had a curious cat asking us about
probably being a part of your protest and

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do we feel that people at bare
minimum should go and see the parade rather

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than pre drinking at home. Um
I personally think that if everyone came to

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the parade, it would be too
busy because the prade is already backed out

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with people. Do you think it's
something like I feel like if you've never

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done it the parade, I feel
like you're missing a part of the experience.

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Do you go at least one?
I feel like it's a real like

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for me, I love the attention. Um no, but what I know

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shock up? But no, for
me, there's something really not not just

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attention, it's affirmation. It's like, you know, there's people who are

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just lining up and they are cheering, and they are you know, they

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are so positive and they're so like, they're so celebratory, and you know,

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I've marched with lots of young people
and just to see the look on

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their faces, it's just so nice
to see that they'd been held up in

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so many families this weekend. Actually, in particularly yesterday, you could back

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prade that there was there was this
like families for days. It was like

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icon it It's sweet. And my
views on the seeing the parade, and

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I've seen parade many many times.
I didn't see it this year because I

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was hungover from Selene to you're busy
wetting yourself. I was trying to find

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a dry pair of pants that could
fit my dick in them, and I

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thought, you know what I mean, it's just there's just he doesn't by

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the way, everyone, if anyone's
actually wondering, there's just so many.

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It was an ITV bus who like
platform fucking Piers Morgan every morning get oh,

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like it's too many things. I'm
just like, oh, I don't

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want to see Tesco sapped in a
rainbow. Like if it was full of

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00:29:33.599 --> 00:29:37.920
people that do amazing they weren't priced
out and did amazing things for our committe,

407
00:29:37.160 --> 00:29:40.799
Like yeah, all year round.
I would fully go and support it.

408
00:29:41.119 --> 00:29:42.559
And a lot of people probably wouldn't
go and see that because it want

409
00:29:42.599 --> 00:29:48.240
to be is that's cloud or as
colorful or as like fun to watch quote

410
00:29:48.279 --> 00:29:52.480
unquote, So yeah, make it
like let's Tesco. I don't know what

411
00:29:52.920 --> 00:29:59.359
out for Tesco to that cute.
Also, season four, we are looking

412
00:29:59.359 --> 00:30:06.599
for sponsors. Yeah, if you
are listed Tesco exactly, you know platform

413
00:30:07.000 --> 00:30:11.400
platform, this valuable and needed podcast. Yeah, we can't march just the

414
00:30:11.640 --> 00:30:17.519
six of us, get us on
your bus. U if I had a

415
00:30:17.519 --> 00:30:19.319
free ride around the parade on a
bus, yeah, I'll be up for

416
00:30:19.359 --> 00:30:25.359
it. One thing I do actually
love about this parade and it's more than

417
00:30:25.759 --> 00:30:26.640
I've had previously, and it's just
happening in a lot moree and you know,

418
00:30:26.720 --> 00:30:30.440
we talk about it so and won't
I won't lave the point too much.

419
00:30:30.480 --> 00:30:33.079
But I had so many people came
up saying they listen to the podcast

420
00:30:33.079 --> 00:30:36.160
and how much I love it.
Okay, hold that thought. Okay,

421
00:30:36.640 --> 00:30:40.640
oh we have we have a curious
cat. I've got a curious cat for

422
00:30:40.680 --> 00:30:45.680
that, I do I do not
sure if you remembers this, But I

423
00:30:45.720 --> 00:30:48.440
had a lovely chat with Joshed out
of side Soho Square in London, Pridday.

424
00:30:48.640 --> 00:30:49.839
I just want to let him know
that he's an adorable human and he

425
00:30:49.880 --> 00:30:55.920
made me feel like we're two friends
catching up. Oh yeah, you were

426
00:30:55.960 --> 00:31:00.440
so lovely whichever one you were,
no remember and yeah, thank you son

427
00:31:00.519 --> 00:31:03.799
world for coming up. Was well, it's so nice to hear because you

428
00:31:03.839 --> 00:31:07.039
do forget. We do forget?
Do we forget that people like lesson,

429
00:31:07.079 --> 00:31:11.039
don't we? And every time I'm
like, yeah, no, no,

430
00:31:11.640 --> 00:31:18.759
really listened, but we've got the
fallen to our guns to their head.

431
00:31:19.319 --> 00:31:23.319
Wow wow, but yeah, David, David doesn't doesn't. The only way

432
00:31:23.319 --> 00:31:27.160
you get David to listen, but
you just forget that people listen to us

433
00:31:27.200 --> 00:31:30.440
and actually care that we say us
a lot. But he's wild that we

434
00:31:30.799 --> 00:31:37.319
go out and meet our fans,
like what the like wild guys? Like

435
00:31:37.319 --> 00:31:40.319
what can I get out of it? Can I get out of three drinks?

436
00:31:40.400 --> 00:31:42.720
Yeah? I'll give you a stamp
every time you come up to me.

437
00:31:45.279 --> 00:31:51.640
We've we've got the tenth ones free. We've got another couple of curious

438
00:31:51.680 --> 00:31:56.480
cats. The first one I think
it's probably from Guy. Actually, it

439
00:31:56.559 --> 00:32:01.119
says Guy and John making only fans
please. Wow, Why white? Why

440
00:32:01.200 --> 00:32:07.359
the white ones they raised him stayed
out? I know, I'm sure I

441
00:32:07.400 --> 00:32:13.920
can obviously see where you're coming from. The black just say it with your

442
00:32:13.960 --> 00:32:24.200
jets, what my drugs? I'm
all right, actually sick of it.

443
00:32:25.240 --> 00:32:32.720
No, I don't mind racism when
I benefit from it. No, life

444
00:32:34.839 --> 00:32:38.559
the white gay stayed out goes to
Black Pride pentyfour. I was like,

445
00:32:39.240 --> 00:32:44.400
I mean, if it benefits I
mean no, I mean, obviously,

446
00:32:44.680 --> 00:32:45.920
if you want me to set up
on only fans, I will, but

447
00:32:46.279 --> 00:32:51.279
just not like to be. But
I don't see why. Literally, I

448
00:32:51.279 --> 00:32:57.200
think that all you were boys can
participate equally and fairly, will go And

449
00:32:57.319 --> 00:33:00.440
if not, you can all you
can know you can spin. I actually

450
00:33:00.599 --> 00:33:07.799
cannot go. Ya, how dare
you that it's hilarious? It was so

451
00:33:07.920 --> 00:33:12.119
disgusting And yeah, that was on
me. He was I told you,

452
00:33:12.160 --> 00:33:15.519
no, no, I actually don't
want to join someone else on the off

453
00:33:15.559 --> 00:33:22.640
the back of last week's episode says
someone needs to go up, Someone needs

454
00:33:22.680 --> 00:33:25.319
to write the screenplay of Josh and
his high school rival makes the film like

455
00:33:25.480 --> 00:33:31.359
very confessions of a teenage drama.
Meets high school musical money. I really

456
00:33:31.359 --> 00:33:38.000
want to meet him. He's say
sweet, and he's so sweet. I

457
00:33:38.160 --> 00:33:44.359
couldn't you know he was actually he
was. I mean he was freaking hilarious.

458
00:33:44.559 --> 00:33:46.839
What I would say about that is
a gay child me. I mean,

459
00:33:47.000 --> 00:33:51.799
let's like, yeah, told me
I was hilarious and I'm joking.

460
00:33:52.400 --> 00:33:54.960
But I had some absolutely wild times. Yeah. I was mister g essentially

461
00:33:55.000 --> 00:34:00.720
so and I looked like Corbyn Blue. I had hair man so of high

462
00:34:00.759 --> 00:34:02.759
school musical fair. Oh yeah,
I can imagine you like doing the moves.

463
00:34:02.960 --> 00:34:09.280
Oh yeah, absolutely, why yeah, sorry, whoa, whoa?

464
00:34:09.559 --> 00:34:15.440
Thank you pipes. I've got pipes. Okay. Then we've got a slightly

465
00:34:15.480 --> 00:34:20.639
more and maybe thought provoking a curious
cat to end this half the episode on.

466
00:34:21.400 --> 00:34:29.119
I'm going to reword it slightly,
so the curious cat in essences is

467
00:34:30.320 --> 00:34:35.599
not sleeping with trans men as a
gay man transphobic hmm. I think that's

468
00:34:35.599 --> 00:34:40.119
an interesting question and it's definitely I
think a complex one in some ways because

469
00:34:40.360 --> 00:34:45.960
I suppose it refers to m preference
kind of what we talked about before,

470
00:34:45.960 --> 00:34:49.559
you know, when we talked about
racial preference. Yeah, I mean,

471
00:34:49.599 --> 00:34:52.199
what I would say is I'm always
where we have questions like this because often

472
00:34:52.239 --> 00:34:57.039
it can be coming from a trans
exclusionary place. Yeah, you know,

473
00:34:57.079 --> 00:35:00.239
I think there's a really dangerous mythic
the kind of gets bandied around the kind

474
00:35:00.239 --> 00:35:04.880
of trans people are forcing people to
have that sort of sex with them,

475
00:35:04.920 --> 00:35:08.400
and that isn't the team want it. So just I would want to precede

476
00:35:08.400 --> 00:35:13.920
any kind of discussion don this by
saying that. Secondly, it's something that's

477
00:35:13.920 --> 00:35:16.400
really a sensitive topic as well,
So I think, you know, it's

478
00:35:16.400 --> 00:35:20.960
just to be cheated with respect.
So all I can say is my opinion.

479
00:35:21.320 --> 00:35:27.840
Um. So I I'm attracted two
men and that includes trans men,

480
00:35:27.920 --> 00:35:32.199
trans men or men. UM.
I have UM for trans men in the

481
00:35:32.239 --> 00:35:39.760
past. UM And for me,
that's that's where my that's where my attraction

482
00:35:39.880 --> 00:35:45.599
lies is in somebody's gender and that's
what I'm I'm attracted to. UM.

483
00:35:45.760 --> 00:35:49.039
So yeah, so that's that's where
I'm coming from it, Like what I

484
00:35:49.320 --> 00:35:52.360
what what we can't do, even
as as as people as dictate people's preferences,

485
00:35:52.400 --> 00:35:55.159
but what we can, I think
be reflective of is the fact that

486
00:35:55.440 --> 00:36:01.199
these preferences aren't created in a in
a vacuum. Yeah, that's my opinion

487
00:36:01.239 --> 00:36:06.079
on it. I would just I
would, I would agree with you in

488
00:36:06.480 --> 00:36:09.559
everything you said and just to kind
of add to it, the problem the

489
00:36:09.599 --> 00:36:15.199
problem. The problem comes when for
me, when you're like, like you

490
00:36:15.239 --> 00:36:17.000
just said, transparent and men tras
women and women. The problem comes when

491
00:36:17.000 --> 00:36:24.960
you were vocal about your disdain or
you're vocal about not what's the opposite of

492
00:36:25.000 --> 00:36:28.639
preference, don't like, yeah,
exact your vocal saying I don't want to

493
00:36:28.639 --> 00:36:31.000
sleep with transman blah blah blah,
transparent or not men. That is where

494
00:36:31.000 --> 00:36:34.679
the problem is for me. Yeah, So like it's a bit like yeah,

495
00:36:34.840 --> 00:36:37.480
similar, So like, okay,
so my date like white guys,

496
00:36:38.119 --> 00:36:42.920
but like like if you're out there
like no blacks exactly like the other curious

497
00:36:43.039 --> 00:36:46.559
cat guy we see you boom,
then yeah, then then that's where you

498
00:36:46.679 --> 00:36:50.440
run into rocky territory. Okay,
I agree. I think I think I'm

499
00:36:50.440 --> 00:36:54.840
with John. I think that it's
I have not slept with transmand before.

500
00:36:54.960 --> 00:36:59.639
But I think to like actively go
out and be like I'm putting a grind

501
00:36:59.679 --> 00:37:04.760
of prof file or actively say it
or whatever, I think that is hugely

502
00:37:04.760 --> 00:37:07.920
problematic. It's almost saying like you
have a hate. Yeah, exactly,

503
00:37:07.119 --> 00:37:13.360
and you know you you you meet
people and fall in love with people and

504
00:37:13.679 --> 00:37:17.400
feel things for people. And if
you have these horrible prerequisites kind of written

505
00:37:17.400 --> 00:37:22.440
down in your head somewhere, then
you've got too much hate inside you.

506
00:37:22.519 --> 00:37:27.159
It's not it's not a good place. But yeah, like shout out,

507
00:37:27.199 --> 00:37:30.400
Like I just want to say,
like to be visibly queer and trying in

508
00:37:30.440 --> 00:37:35.760
a really hostile environment at the moment
is um, it's really difficult. And

509
00:37:35.760 --> 00:37:38.079
so that's the last thing. Um. You know, sex should be a

510
00:37:38.199 --> 00:37:44.599
joyous thing, you know. And
what I would say is just make sure

511
00:37:44.639 --> 00:37:49.000
that you find people who who celebrate
your body whatever. It does feel like

512
00:37:49.000 --> 00:37:52.519
a loaded question. Actually yeah,
I think so, I do. I

513
00:37:52.519 --> 00:37:54.760
do actually want to say that we've
we've had turfs upping out. I've been

514
00:37:54.800 --> 00:38:00.119
a curious cat and you're not welcome
here. Tea is tears, like why

515
00:38:00.159 --> 00:38:04.760
would you be listening to this?
I really like, what's not clicking?

516
00:38:04.880 --> 00:38:07.559
Go do something else? Anything else? Anything else? Go watch that.

517
00:38:08.719 --> 00:38:12.000
I had to get I had to
get off my chest that you're not working

518
00:38:12.000 --> 00:38:15.800
our DM cat go away. Yeah, if you're trying, like if you're

519
00:38:15.800 --> 00:38:19.239
sending that question because you're interested to
hear opinions cool, but like, if

520
00:38:19.239 --> 00:38:23.480
you're trying to be then you can
fuck off. Oh that feel good?

521
00:38:23.559 --> 00:38:28.000
It feel good, feel so good. Right, We're gonna take a quick

522
00:38:28.000 --> 00:38:31.920
break and we'll be back with impot
God, aren't we done? You can

523
00:38:32.000 --> 00:38:42.639
keep that in? I mean,
I mean it can I leave? Hi,

524
00:38:42.719 --> 00:38:49.159
guys, I'm welcome back. I
haven't got time to edit this fist

525
00:38:49.199 --> 00:38:52.679
going out tomorrow. We're going from
here. Look at these lovely good tits.

526
00:38:52.079 --> 00:38:55.280
Well. I actually in the first
half I missed. I forgot.

527
00:38:55.280 --> 00:38:59.920
We had a DM on Twitter as
well. Oh baby, And this is

528
00:39:00.079 --> 00:39:04.440
definitely a bit of self promo on
the person's behalf direct mail give it so

529
00:39:04.599 --> 00:39:08.880
shout to Alexander Leon who has GM
us to say, please talk about how

530
00:39:08.920 --> 00:39:14.079
fucking attractive every single person at UK
back White Pride was and the fact that

531
00:39:14.119 --> 00:39:17.719
melanin is obviously the secret ingredient to
be stainingly beautiful Exhibit A. Me f

532
00:39:17.960 --> 00:39:22.320
yi, also start all messages,
all mentions to my DM's thank you and

533
00:39:22.360 --> 00:39:29.519
good night. I mean I was
there too, Yeah, looking like Dale

534
00:39:29.599 --> 00:39:37.679
Brad, I'm tand literally a little
bit of me yeah, a little bit.

535
00:39:37.760 --> 00:39:42.960
Oh my god, No, not
that classic white people things, same

536
00:39:43.000 --> 00:39:49.519
shade I'm coming out. Yeah,
yeah, I know, Yeah, you

537
00:39:49.519 --> 00:39:52.400
are you are, No, you
are looking a definite shade of aggressive beige,

538
00:39:53.880 --> 00:39:59.119
aggressive being the main where John straight
out here looking like a fucking drumstick.

539
00:40:00.039 --> 00:40:01.440
Not anymore, not anymore. Oh
my god, but my nose did

540
00:40:01.480 --> 00:40:05.719
actually peel after last week. He
was awful on my shoulders, bad times,

541
00:40:05.800 --> 00:40:12.239
bad times with the white person problem, many many I could never be

542
00:40:12.400 --> 00:40:20.239
me. Yeah he stayed that on
your only these two fucking peeling sun burned.

543
00:40:20.760 --> 00:40:23.639
I have to laugh. So we're
going to finish the entire season,

544
00:40:24.039 --> 00:40:32.800
my god, with tell me with
an international dilemma. Oh yes, I

545
00:40:32.800 --> 00:40:43.800
am lying to Berlin. I'm but
I'm busy. Oh my god, two

546
00:40:43.920 --> 00:40:47.400
niche I don't know, I don't
know. Sometimes shout out to our five

547
00:40:47.440 --> 00:40:54.280
followers. Happy birthday, Miranda.
Yeah, so I saw jack on Jackman,

548
00:40:54.480 --> 00:40:59.840
who just did random thing on the
most beautiful jawline he hasn't he but

549
00:41:00.039 --> 00:41:04.000
slu gorge. I saw him square
and he literally took his glasses off in

550
00:41:04.079 --> 00:41:16.880
like stunned. You actually really good? Who? My whole weekend was this

551
00:41:17.000 --> 00:41:23.719
post piss It was actually preep.
Guess what I actually talking about happy birthday

552
00:41:23.719 --> 00:41:30.800
Miranda. Guess who followed me on
Instagram today? Miranda some sum legend followed

553
00:41:30.840 --> 00:41:37.559
me from London to New York.
Birthday babies anyway, dilemma. Hello from

554
00:41:37.599 --> 00:41:46.920
New York, London, New York. So just wondering if I'm completely trash

555
00:41:47.760 --> 00:41:53.039
or circumstances allow me room for trash
behavior. I have a friend let's call

556
00:41:53.119 --> 00:41:55.480
him Ian. I love it when
they do that. Yeah, I help

557
00:41:55.559 --> 00:42:00.639
for getting a name. Well,
God, we've barely been talking about Ian.

558
00:42:00.679 --> 00:42:04.800
Oh no, we were talking about
that before we went on. I

559
00:42:04.880 --> 00:42:07.599
have a friend let's call him Ian, who has a revolving door of good

560
00:42:07.639 --> 00:42:10.199
looking boys he brings around our group
of friends. Jealous, he never commits

561
00:42:10.239 --> 00:42:15.880
to them enough to ever be boyfriends
with them, so usually they stopped dating

562
00:42:15.519 --> 00:42:17.679
after name more than a few weeks. However, a couple of them are

563
00:42:17.679 --> 00:42:22.559
stuck around integrate themselves into our friend
group, or at least the outskirts of

564
00:42:22.559 --> 00:42:25.760
our friend group. The question is
it okay if I hook up with the

565
00:42:25.760 --> 00:42:30.119
boys he brings around after he's done
dating them, I'm trying not to date

566
00:42:30.159 --> 00:42:32.960
any of them. That trying not
to date any of them with all out

567
00:42:34.039 --> 00:42:36.960
dancing and one of them wants to
make out. Should I hold back the

568
00:42:37.079 --> 00:42:40.039
dilemma? I love that he's breaking
down. Was that not the dilemma?

569
00:42:40.119 --> 00:42:50.360
No, that was the that was
That was that question, David. That

570
00:42:50.440 --> 00:42:58.840
was David, David. And suddenly
you go filthy with a bit. But

571
00:42:58.960 --> 00:43:04.320
I'm sick of you to put him
in Rice put him in right, it's

572
00:43:04.440 --> 00:43:10.880
richtel Pale for men rise. Yes
the kea and yes, I didn't say

573
00:43:10.920 --> 00:43:17.840
quinnowa because oh my god, culture, oh you know me. The dilemma.

574
00:43:19.719 --> 00:43:22.360
There was a situation a couple of
years ago with one of his excelling

575
00:43:22.599 --> 00:43:32.559
flings. Let's call him Noah Noah, Yeah, she's getting biblical. Let's

576
00:43:32.599 --> 00:43:36.960
call him who I interesting he knew
before he met me, and that's not

577
00:43:38.760 --> 00:43:43.920
We're at a club dancing and things
turn sexual in the club. Yeah,

578
00:43:43.960 --> 00:43:46.239
my favor against my better judgment.
I followed now into a dark corner when

579
00:43:46.280 --> 00:43:52.480
we fucked we love a bloot to. I felt so bad after and tried

580
00:43:52.480 --> 00:43:54.159
to talk to Ian about it,
but he iced me out for some time.

581
00:43:54.519 --> 00:43:58.800
We're cool now, but it's something
that hangs over our friendship. It

582
00:43:58.800 --> 00:44:02.400
makes it weird when the boys who
the boys joining the group are also attracted

583
00:44:02.440 --> 00:44:06.599
to me. Is it time to
have an unfinished conversation with Ian? I

584
00:44:06.639 --> 00:44:08.280
don't want to reopen an old wound, but it makes if it makes things

585
00:44:08.280 --> 00:44:12.920
easier to deal with many boys who
are evidently being round. Thanks for the

586
00:44:12.960 --> 00:44:17.000
great Across the Pond the podcast Anonymous
in Practice Law Because of female I think

587
00:44:17.039 --> 00:44:23.000
you want to fuck Ian? Wow, twist that's vibe. I'm getting what

588
00:44:23.079 --> 00:44:25.400
you got the vibe I'm getting.
How did you get to that? I'm

589
00:44:25.400 --> 00:44:28.360
just thinking, you know, you're
kind of looking at the people, but

590
00:44:28.400 --> 00:44:30.280
he's had sex with him, then
you're kind of like, I don't know,

591
00:44:30.519 --> 00:44:35.920
are you desiring them by association?
They say he has a revolving door

592
00:44:35.920 --> 00:44:38.880
of good looking boys. I don't
know, So okay, what I would

593
00:44:38.880 --> 00:44:52.480
say, vibe, let's talk a
wine. What Mama Nita Madison? No,

594
00:44:52.559 --> 00:44:55.760
I probably wrong, but but what
I mean what I would say is

595
00:44:55.800 --> 00:44:59.079
this, there's this. I think
let's break up into two things. Is

596
00:44:59.119 --> 00:45:02.800
it okay for you to people when
he's finished with them? Firstly, yes,

597
00:45:04.199 --> 00:45:07.639
I mean if you're not close friends, yes, but they are like

598
00:45:07.800 --> 00:45:10.199
you just like living with each other, or it doesn't they lived didn't They

599
00:45:10.199 --> 00:45:15.480
didn't I think they are I would
friends, but in the same group of

600
00:45:15.480 --> 00:45:20.239
friends. But this guy doesn't love
these people that he's leaving behind. Yeah,

601
00:45:20.280 --> 00:45:27.880
I mean talk in sloppy seconds on
the menu agreed, Oh my god,

602
00:45:28.360 --> 00:45:32.400
that's your whole David, That's my
favorite PiZZ and you've ruined it.

603
00:45:32.480 --> 00:45:39.320
Sloppy SLOPPI is heappy with the guy
on Saturday when he was waiting for the

604
00:45:39.320 --> 00:45:45.119
towel? No, No, he's
Australian. His name is not just oh

605
00:45:45.159 --> 00:45:52.719
wow, timy kangaroo down. So
I would say this day like happened,

606
00:45:57.880 --> 00:46:02.440
I forgot about that. Let's not
getting Yeah, the crossover nobody wanted.

607
00:46:04.199 --> 00:46:13.679
Um, so going back anyway,
John is right right now ropery um okay.

608
00:46:13.719 --> 00:46:17.280
So like what I would say is
this, if he doesn't have an

609
00:46:17.280 --> 00:46:22.480
emotional connection to them, then I
think it's absolutely fine. Like and also

610
00:46:22.599 --> 00:46:25.360
like you've got to think about these
are you know, these are people with

611
00:46:25.400 --> 00:46:29.239
our own mind as well, and
so if they're attracted to you when you're

612
00:46:29.239 --> 00:46:31.239
attracted to them, then I would
say just be adults about it and say,

613
00:46:31.280 --> 00:46:36.199
look, you hooked up for a
while, you know, you splodged

614
00:46:36.199 --> 00:46:46.760
and dodged you like you know,
and you know my squirted and deserted.

615
00:46:47.239 --> 00:46:58.719
Squirted and deserted. I like that
one. Um ump wow um can you

616
00:46:58.760 --> 00:47:08.239
tell that we've been ghost m after
every holiday? Wow? Tragic? Um.

617
00:47:08.320 --> 00:47:12.280
So, like what I would say
is that that like, go for

618
00:47:12.440 --> 00:47:14.800
it, live your truth, and
I would sit him down and get it

619
00:47:14.800 --> 00:47:16.840
all on the table and say,
look what like what's te why did you

620
00:47:16.880 --> 00:47:20.519
freeze me out because of you know, the nore fucking today? Yeah,

621
00:47:20.599 --> 00:47:24.760
what I would say is, maybe
don't just rely on Ian to be your

622
00:47:24.760 --> 00:47:30.039
source of men. It sounds like
you don't rely on it. Sounds like

623
00:47:30.079 --> 00:47:34.239
you're like a hyena, just like
waiting for the lion to finish and just

624
00:47:34.400 --> 00:47:37.559
dive in and have your way.
Yeah, you get your own dick girl,

625
00:47:37.280 --> 00:47:40.000
do it. Yeah that's really true. Actually, I mean you know

626
00:47:40.119 --> 00:47:45.679
you sound Yeah. I would about
just hey, oh my god, like

627
00:47:45.920 --> 00:47:52.199
union, this is going to be
We're empowered, thede, we're taking over.

628
00:47:53.920 --> 00:47:58.519
Um. But hey, but yeah, like it is, um,

629
00:47:58.760 --> 00:48:02.159
yeah, this is our episode.
Keep your garrets of thanks for having me,

630
00:48:02.719 --> 00:48:10.920
no problem literally edits records hosts.
Um. But yeah, like you

631
00:48:12.119 --> 00:48:15.039
think you absolutely right, it mustn't
be good for you. I'm selves team

632
00:48:15.079 --> 00:48:19.239
to can constantly be getting like,
you know, left over dick. You

633
00:48:19.280 --> 00:48:22.119
know, yeah, yeah, get
some of your own dick. You can

634
00:48:22.159 --> 00:48:25.119
still go for that left over dick. Yeah, yeah, hanging dick when

635
00:48:25.159 --> 00:48:29.480
it comes home. I mean I
think we all like a hanging deck.

636
00:48:29.760 --> 00:48:35.039
When it comes down to it,
we are all sloppy seconds. Wow,

637
00:48:38.840 --> 00:48:45.599
brave Sherry Spring, I thought of
a dick. Yeah, we are like

638
00:48:45.800 --> 00:48:47.320
they are. You know, in
theory, there are a few of you

639
00:48:47.360 --> 00:48:50.000
know, not all of us,
but like, when it comes down to

640
00:48:50.000 --> 00:48:52.960
it, ninety nine point nine percent
of gay men, we have all been

641
00:48:52.000 --> 00:48:55.639
fun before. We're all somebody's sloppy
seconds. And if you worry about where

642
00:48:55.679 --> 00:49:00.400
they've been, who they've been with, blah blah blah, then you'll never

643
00:49:00.480 --> 00:49:05.559
you'll never be happy. I'm definitely
not. But okay, baby, do

644
00:49:05.559 --> 00:49:13.559
you want this lobby like just just
you know, let let go and you

645
00:49:13.599 --> 00:49:20.880
know, fu Ian, No,
you need to stop shipping and on just

646
00:49:22.239 --> 00:49:28.639
yeah, I mean I do.
That's the thing. I do think if

647
00:49:28.679 --> 00:49:32.360
you are, you know, following
his movement, stop your seconds, then

648
00:49:32.440 --> 00:49:36.840
maybe there's something there, maybe you
could love Ian, But how would you

649
00:49:36.840 --> 00:49:38.840
actually feel because sometimes, like I
know, I'm like fucking you. But

650
00:49:38.880 --> 00:49:42.800
if I was Ian, would would
anyone be a bit salty? I mean,

651
00:49:42.840 --> 00:49:45.639
you ask first, but he hasn't
asked something, that's what you're saying.

652
00:49:45.639 --> 00:49:50.000
I would. I think I would
be ready voted. I actually would.

653
00:49:50.320 --> 00:49:52.239
If it was like a recurring theme, I might be It'll be like,

654
00:49:52.559 --> 00:49:57.880
yeah, if it was always happening, I'd be really like once like

655
00:49:57.880 --> 00:50:01.920
two years ago. Yeah, build
a bridge. Yeah you can fuck you

656
00:50:01.960 --> 00:50:06.000
one. I mean, I don't
know what ads are you expected from this?

657
00:50:07.079 --> 00:50:10.760
We tried. I love you.
Yeah, but thank you and thank

658
00:50:10.800 --> 00:50:16.360
you for listening when across the run
an international moment in US, and also

659
00:50:17.239 --> 00:50:21.239
if you are listening from somewhere that
isn't the UK, can you just shout

660
00:50:21.280 --> 00:50:24.039
out because I want to see something
on Twitter especially that would be lovely trying

661
00:50:24.039 --> 00:50:30.039
to see something. What is everyone's
highlight of this season being please finished?

662
00:50:30.679 --> 00:50:36.840
Well? Obvious? Um, Josh, I mean, I know, well,

663
00:50:36.880 --> 00:50:39.079
but I loved that first episode we
did. It was just that it

664
00:50:39.159 --> 00:50:44.119
was really fun to can be back
with all of you. I remember when

665
00:50:44.119 --> 00:50:49.119
we actually like recorded the podcast and
then forgot like it to stop these yeah

666
00:50:49.119 --> 00:50:57.719
we start again in the wel we
were here justly ours Yeah, yeah,

667
00:50:57.760 --> 00:51:00.119
we got tired of listening to you
too. But I would say that was

668
00:51:00.159 --> 00:51:05.719
a drag. That was I think
I love that one. It was all

669
00:51:05.760 --> 00:51:10.679
done hell. From that, I
think my favorite thing has been, um,

670
00:51:10.760 --> 00:51:16.199
the wine. I I mean I
paid half the time. But it's

671
00:51:16.239 --> 00:51:21.519
been so nice. You've been wow
this season. That's saying that you're my

672
00:51:21.519 --> 00:51:24.280
whole life and the pub has just
been so nice. You're welcome. Yeah,

673
00:51:24.480 --> 00:51:30.800
I've been very funny this season.
Tea is t t um no,

674
00:51:30.880 --> 00:51:36.199
excuse me, busy. I've had
a really it's been a pleasure with all

675
00:51:36.239 --> 00:51:40.719
of you. Um, I hope. I wish you all well. And

676
00:51:40.840 --> 00:51:45.719
they never saw him again. So
we're playing on taking a much shorter break

677
00:51:45.760 --> 00:51:50.239
this time, right, we're planning
to be back in like a month ish.

678
00:51:50.960 --> 00:51:52.599
Now you're scaring the people. No, my month, Okay, a

679
00:51:52.639 --> 00:52:02.440
month, No scared. Nobody's okay, we'll call you. We'll call you.

680
00:52:04.960 --> 00:52:12.599
I'm not joking a bit. We
seat we get I don't know what's

681
00:52:12.639 --> 00:52:15.639
going on. I'm gonna wrap it
up. Guys. You can follow us

682
00:52:15.639 --> 00:52:17.960
on Twitter that on the latch.
You can send us your dilemmas in a

683
00:52:19.000 --> 00:52:21.159
couple of weeks time. If you'll
just send them now. If they're long,

684
00:52:21.239 --> 00:52:23.079
if they're like longitude and all dilemmas, like, if they're like over

685
00:52:23.119 --> 00:52:25.000
a long period of time, if
you tell if you're going to be going

686
00:52:25.039 --> 00:52:30.239
through it in a month and hit
us up. Okay, you can just

687
00:52:30.239 --> 00:52:32.320
send them, Vike your risk,
cat you can. I mean, one

688
00:52:32.320 --> 00:52:36.400
of us will get bet to you. We won't. On the Latch podcast

689
00:52:36.440 --> 00:52:38.960
at gmail dot com for us on
Instagram, on the la podcast. And

690
00:52:39.280 --> 00:52:45.360
that is it. Oh my god, season three with a rap. It

691
00:52:45.440 --> 00:52:53.000
is a rap chat out to everybody. But I love you all guys.

692
00:52:53.079 --> 00:52:57.239
Yeah, it's been really nice.
I think we've met more fans this season

693
00:52:57.280 --> 00:53:00.400
than we have before. It's been
really nice, have we I mean,

694
00:53:00.480 --> 00:53:08.480
David? But yeah, thank you
as a boy in um yeah, do

695
00:53:08.519 --> 00:53:13.800
you want to sponsors for season four? Oh my god? Yes, Emerald

696
00:53:13.840 --> 00:53:21.760
Glides, I know you're listening.
Love you bye bye? Yeah? Right?

697
00:53:22.280 --> 00:53:27.880
Yeah, I hope you recovered.
Are you listening it? Okay?

698
00:53:28.079 --> 00:53:32.920
Sorry? I don't know how about
people who's not well? Who's not well?

699
00:53:32.960 --> 00:53:36.880
Who are you wishing a speed of
a Corey? Josh? Is it

700
00:53:37.039 --> 00:54:00.599
you? Bye? Bye bye?
Thank god? That was nas