1 00:00:01,679 --> 00:00:05,400 Hello, ladies and gentlemen, Welcome back to another episode of geek Verst Podcast. 2 00:00:06,000 --> 00:00:08,960 I am one of your hosts. It belongs to us Taylor Field that 3 00:00:08,960 --> 00:00:14,320 I'm joined by. I am the Finish the Fight kirkln Patzer, I'm Amarcaster 4 00:00:14,519 --> 00:00:20,600 Dilma. Yes, we are here to continue our trek into Hello season two. 5 00:00:21,239 --> 00:00:26,719 We've got the penultimate episode here that we're gonna be reviewing. But before 6 00:00:26,719 --> 00:00:29,440 we get into that, a couple of plugs. You can find us with 7 00:00:29,440 --> 00:00:32,039 your a connection in the search bar geek Verse, dot CAAs or home based 8 00:00:32,079 --> 00:00:34,920 ki Firstcast, our Twitter, geek Versus, our Facebook. Be sure to 9 00:00:35,000 --> 00:00:38,880 check us out and support us on Patreon Patreon. We can get ad free 10 00:00:38,920 --> 00:00:43,000 early exclusive episodes, lots of good stuff. 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We got 20 00:01:21,239 --> 00:01:23,799 Aaron Braden, April of Darkness, Jack Rand, Mud, Sam t Sam 21 00:01:23,879 --> 00:01:30,599 and Tea fucking money Patreon producers. You guys are just amazing. You keep 22 00:01:30,680 --> 00:01:34,159 us going at night, so at night, I guess we do normally record 23 00:01:34,200 --> 00:01:40,200 at night. So, yeah, Dylan, I know you got something you 24 00:01:40,200 --> 00:01:42,640 You're you've been working hard that you gotta you gotta plug right now? Were 25 00:01:44,280 --> 00:01:46,719 it right now? Yeah? You guys have been making a movie. I've 26 00:01:46,719 --> 00:01:49,239 been making a game. It's called Problem. You can wish list it on 27 00:01:49,439 --> 00:01:52,599 Steam now. If you want to hear a little bit more Abud, you 28 00:01:52,599 --> 00:01:55,519 can go check out this week's side Quest. And I'm probably gonna drop a 29 00:01:55,519 --> 00:01:57,840 little solo episode at some point next week, just talking about it a bit 30 00:01:57,879 --> 00:02:01,599 more to give everyone bit more fell But yeah, you can check it out 31 00:02:01,599 --> 00:02:05,640 if you want beautiful. Yeah, Kirkle, what do you voute? You 32 00:02:05,760 --> 00:02:09,240 got something you want to plug. Uh not today. No, Kirkle was 33 00:02:09,280 --> 00:02:16,400 writing a book, an original script, this original screenplay that I've transformed into 34 00:02:16,439 --> 00:02:23,919 a around Hollywood to any bites you know, well, yeah, no problem. 35 00:02:23,919 --> 00:02:30,599 The problem. Uh let's get into some non spoilers stuff for this episode. 36 00:02:30,960 --> 00:02:34,719 And I mean, who wants to start? Who wants? Who wants 37 00:02:34,759 --> 00:02:38,120 to carry the torch? Here? I'll grab that torch. I'm pulling a 38 00:02:38,199 --> 00:02:43,400 tailor. Last week, I actually liked this episode, Isn't that crazy? 39 00:02:43,840 --> 00:02:47,919 I had a good time with this one. I think there was a you 40 00:02:47,919 --> 00:02:51,479 know, it's a pretty low key episode, like there's no action in it 41 00:02:51,560 --> 00:02:54,879 whatsoever. It was just a lot of conversations, and I thought the dialogue 42 00:02:54,919 --> 00:03:00,520 was well written and well performed From most of the cast. There really only 43 00:03:00,560 --> 00:03:04,080 like one I get. Well, there's still like two storylines in here that 44 00:03:04,199 --> 00:03:06,759 to me are just total duds. So it's not like it was a perfect 45 00:03:06,800 --> 00:03:09,960 episode by any means, But it was definitely my favorite episode of the season, 46 00:03:10,080 --> 00:03:15,520 I would say, And yeah, there was a couple elements on particular 47 00:03:15,560 --> 00:03:19,919 that I really enjoyed. So yeah, I'm actually coming out of this pretty 48 00:03:20,960 --> 00:03:23,439 pretty excited. And I don't know if it leaves me all from a spot 49 00:03:23,479 --> 00:03:30,000 that un necessarily hopeful for the finale to wrap it all up. I suppose 50 00:03:30,039 --> 00:03:32,319 it feels like it feels like we're like halfway through all these stories. I 51 00:03:32,360 --> 00:03:37,240 don't know what they're gonna do next week. We'll see, but I guess 52 00:03:37,240 --> 00:03:39,159 I'm a little bit more excited now for it than I would have been otherwise. 53 00:03:39,199 --> 00:03:46,159 So happy to report that I actually enjoyed my time this week. Nice 54 00:03:47,719 --> 00:03:53,639 I'm carrying the torch off of Dylan's handoff there. I feel like I am 55 00:03:53,719 --> 00:03:58,159 kind of where I've always been. I agree this is this has been like 56 00:03:58,199 --> 00:04:01,319 a little bit of a bump on my my little I don't know, my 57 00:04:01,360 --> 00:04:06,960 little doometer reader, Like I definitely got something more that I felt like, 58 00:04:08,479 --> 00:04:12,560 Okay, this is kind of a more Halo story here, at least some 59 00:04:12,560 --> 00:04:16,519 of the aspects of the Halo storyline that I'm somewhat familiar or interested in. 60 00:04:17,000 --> 00:04:21,199 But I still felt like there was a lot of fluff in here that I 61 00:04:21,240 --> 00:04:26,160 just wish wasn't in here for for just the sake of maybe spending more time 62 00:04:26,240 --> 00:04:30,959 in a more interesting avenue, And like Soren's story with Kessler and his wife, 63 00:04:30,000 --> 00:04:32,720 Like I just I'm sorry, I do not care about any of that 64 00:04:32,720 --> 00:04:39,279 stuff that one. Like yeah, and like just where we're going with Kwan, 65 00:04:39,480 --> 00:04:42,959 Like, I guess it has some relevance sort of with like some other 66 00:04:43,079 --> 00:04:46,680 characters, more so than when it has been in the past, but it's 67 00:04:46,720 --> 00:04:49,560 still just I don't know, I feel like I don't love the execution of 68 00:04:49,600 --> 00:04:55,120 it and our big bad lead Pablo Schreiber, you know, like he was 69 00:04:55,199 --> 00:04:58,519 just as flat as ever I feel. I feel like in this episode. 70 00:04:58,560 --> 00:05:03,319 Fortunately, I feel like there's some people that he's interacting with that actually like 71 00:05:03,759 --> 00:05:08,519 lifted this episode up more so than than it had been in previous episodes, 72 00:05:09,519 --> 00:05:14,879 So that's definitely a positive. But yeah, there's not too much that really 73 00:05:15,079 --> 00:05:18,160 makes me think that it's like the season's being saved from heading into the finale 74 00:05:18,199 --> 00:05:24,199 here coming off of this penultimate episode, I'm not too hopeful that I'm gonna 75 00:05:24,240 --> 00:05:28,079 be like blown away in the finale, but I don't know, Like, 76 00:05:28,240 --> 00:05:31,199 like I am at least a little bit more interested into seeing at least how 77 00:05:31,240 --> 00:05:33,759 it ends with with where we end off at this at the end of this 78 00:05:33,800 --> 00:05:39,079 episode. So definitely, like if I had to put my little chip in 79 00:05:39,120 --> 00:05:42,920 one category positive or negative, I am more positive than I had been maybe 80 00:05:42,959 --> 00:05:46,319 in the last couple episodes. So that's definitely a thumbs up on some sort 81 00:05:46,360 --> 00:05:49,040 of scale. But uh, nothing, nothing too crazy where I feel like 82 00:05:49,040 --> 00:05:59,560 I'm I'm hopeful going forward into into like season three. Yeah, all right, 83 00:05:59,720 --> 00:06:05,480 well, I I feel like I'm definitely still positive after last week and 84 00:06:05,519 --> 00:06:09,079 I'm going into this episode. I know, two weeks in a row I 85 00:06:09,079 --> 00:06:13,720 didn't like. I didn't like that, but uh, it caught me by 86 00:06:13,800 --> 00:06:15,240 surprise, because you're right, there's there's no action. It's just a lot 87 00:06:15,279 --> 00:06:20,480 of dialogue stuff. But a part of me when I when I finished the 88 00:06:20,519 --> 00:06:26,079 episode and I understood and acknowledged the fact that I liked it, a part 89 00:06:26,120 --> 00:06:30,360 of me was was genuinely upset with myself. It was upset to the fact 90 00:06:30,399 --> 00:06:33,480 that and understanding that this is this is an adaptation, this is a different 91 00:06:33,680 --> 00:06:39,800 a different approach to this, But I'm upset that I like it in the 92 00:06:39,839 --> 00:06:42,720 sense that the way that they have gone about the writing. I feel like 93 00:06:42,759 --> 00:06:44,879 a lot of this stuff with the show is sloppy. I feel like a 94 00:06:44,920 --> 00:06:49,079 lot of the stuff with this show is very poorly executed, and that that 95 00:06:49,120 --> 00:06:53,120 doesn't save it by any means. But here we are, at this this 96 00:06:53,240 --> 00:06:58,040 moment now where things are getting interesting, and I feel like as a as 97 00:06:58,319 --> 00:07:01,759 showrunners and as writers, that they've really dropped the ball on getting to this 98 00:07:01,839 --> 00:07:10,360 point now after what nine plus five, nine plus five episodes fourteen, I 99 00:07:10,360 --> 00:07:14,560 feel like, that's just that's that's horrendous. And so here we are and 100 00:07:14,600 --> 00:07:17,560 things are finally getting interesting. But I still don't like that things are interesting 101 00:07:17,600 --> 00:07:21,800 in the sense too, that we are we are where we are, and 102 00:07:21,839 --> 00:07:27,319 we have the characters that we have in this interesting storyline. I don't care 103 00:07:27,360 --> 00:07:30,879 about Soren and his shit anymore. I really don't. I don't. I 104 00:07:30,920 --> 00:07:36,759 still hate my master Chief takes his helmet off and he's saying he's throwing death 105 00:07:36,800 --> 00:07:41,720 threats around left, right, and center. He's like, this is not 106 00:07:41,879 --> 00:07:45,160 my master Chief. And that's one of the things that bothers me because I 107 00:07:45,319 --> 00:07:47,199 like where we are in the story, but I hate that we're at this 108 00:07:47,279 --> 00:07:50,720 part point in the story with these chess pieces, this part of the game. 109 00:07:50,920 --> 00:07:54,240 Yeah, it's just it's very unfortunate. It's like you have to go 110 00:07:54,319 --> 00:07:56,759 up against the queen, all you got are pawns. It it's horrible. 111 00:07:57,600 --> 00:08:01,879 So I like what you said there, because I definite found myself in the 112 00:08:01,879 --> 00:08:05,600 middle of some interesting parts of this episode, like thinking as if I was 113 00:08:05,639 --> 00:08:09,240 being like deceived by a magician. I'm like, why am I starting to 114 00:08:09,240 --> 00:08:11,040 feel interested in this when I've just hated the show so much up until this 115 00:08:11,079 --> 00:08:15,279 point, And then I'm like, I'm thinking about it more, and then 116 00:08:15,319 --> 00:08:18,879 it's just like I don't know certain character performance or just thinking back to where 117 00:08:20,000 --> 00:08:22,199 like where they've come from throughout like season one to this season. Now I'm 118 00:08:22,240 --> 00:08:26,759 just like, oh, damn, these bastards, Like there is glimpses of 119 00:08:26,160 --> 00:08:31,279 some positives in there, but like I can't forgive them for just like what 120 00:08:31,439 --> 00:08:37,360 they've done decision wise with certain characters and like Chief especially, I think Chief 121 00:08:37,759 --> 00:08:41,240 certain high ranking ony individuals that I'm just like, I this is just so 122 00:08:41,360 --> 00:08:46,559 wild that they went this direction with the show. But but yeah, I 123 00:08:46,840 --> 00:08:50,799 think you, I think you definitely highlighted something that I was feeling similarly on 124 00:08:50,759 --> 00:08:58,000 during this viewing specifically on this episode. Yeah, And they continue, especially 125 00:08:58,039 --> 00:09:05,080 in this episode, they continue to consistently pull from a because zillion Halo sources 126 00:09:05,120 --> 00:09:07,919 and compile it into the one the one episode I feel like one every episode 127 00:09:07,919 --> 00:09:13,200 we get into is another combination of like five games, three books, and 128 00:09:13,279 --> 00:09:16,679 a bunch of like it's fucking and you know them all. Yeah that deep 129 00:09:16,720 --> 00:09:20,879 in the lower that you know all these these cuts. It's brutal. Man. 130 00:09:20,960 --> 00:09:24,279 I can't handle it anymore. Uh but yeah, here we are here 131 00:09:24,320 --> 00:09:28,679 we bloody well are So anything else you guys have before we get into the 132 00:09:28,679 --> 00:09:33,440 spoilers. I love your just your anger that you're that you enjoy it, 133 00:09:33,559 --> 00:09:37,559 Like, that's so good. Maybe my last shout out here non spoiler is 134 00:09:37,639 --> 00:09:43,639 just the music I thought was also really outstanding in this episode in moments were 135 00:09:43,679 --> 00:09:46,919 really highlighted well, which it's been feeling pretty dull the last few weeks and 136 00:09:46,960 --> 00:09:50,480 not very Halo like either. In the score, of course, you have 137 00:09:50,600 --> 00:09:54,080 the the theme that plays with the intro, but I'm usually skipping that anyway. 138 00:09:56,279 --> 00:09:58,159 But yeah, I thought the I don't know whoever the composer is, 139 00:09:58,159 --> 00:10:01,879 at least on this episode, really stepped it up, really highlighted some of 140 00:10:01,879 --> 00:10:05,000 these moments pretty well. So that was a good shout out there. But 141 00:10:05,080 --> 00:10:09,360 yeah, i' if I have anything else on spoilery the last shots specifically of 142 00:10:09,399 --> 00:10:13,440 this episode, like when the score came in. It was like, oh, 143 00:10:13,519 --> 00:10:16,039 this is this is Halo, Like I feel that ambiance, which is 144 00:10:16,039 --> 00:10:20,279 something that's been lacking I think throughout the show, which is a big bummer 145 00:10:20,320 --> 00:10:24,120 because Halo is just it's got some of those iconic music and even just today, 146 00:10:24,159 --> 00:10:26,559 like I was listening to like Halo three soundtrack, like it just gets 147 00:10:26,600 --> 00:10:28,720 me so good. Yeah, oh it gets I mean that's why my name 148 00:10:28,759 --> 00:10:31,639 has finished the fight. I was listening to that track and I'm like, 149 00:10:31,759 --> 00:10:37,120 yeah, let's go nice. All right, Well, we're gonna show it 150 00:10:37,159 --> 00:10:41,240 to our first ad break and we'll be right back and we're back, okay, 151 00:10:41,279 --> 00:10:45,240 Kirkland. I mean, just to interject you quickly, I think you 152 00:10:45,559 --> 00:10:48,679 highlighted a very important part there, just that that score kicking at the end 153 00:10:48,679 --> 00:10:54,679 there the Halo theme. That scene could have been so much better if they 154 00:10:54,720 --> 00:10:58,879 weren't showing the reflection of the Halo in Chief's eyes but his fucking visor. 155 00:11:00,000 --> 00:11:03,039 Wouldn't you agree? Would that be amazing? I would agree? And we 156 00:11:03,080 --> 00:11:07,120 saw a reflection in Chiefs visor, but it was actually Pablo. It was 157 00:11:07,120 --> 00:11:13,000 looking at the armor was oh god, it was Are you happy to at 158 00:11:13,320 --> 00:11:20,639 least see the armor back there? Yeah? That was actually quite nice. 159 00:11:22,159 --> 00:11:26,080 I wouldn't have put it past them to not have the armor at all for 160 00:11:26,120 --> 00:11:28,559 the rest of the season. But yeah, it was there and we got 161 00:11:28,600 --> 00:11:31,480 it, and he didn't do anything with it. He just walked around and 162 00:11:31,080 --> 00:11:35,159 I mean he had he had his helmet off the whole time, and people 163 00:11:35,200 --> 00:11:39,879 were cheering him on and and getting all amped up and whatnot. So I 164 00:11:39,919 --> 00:11:43,600 mean, but I mean, hey, we're back in at We're back at 165 00:11:43,600 --> 00:11:46,159 it. So I'll disagree. I think he did do something with it. 166 00:11:46,200 --> 00:11:50,080 I think that was something I really enjoyed in this episode was actually the conversation 167 00:11:50,240 --> 00:11:56,159 that Chief had with Perez where they were kind of rehashing their conversation that they 168 00:11:56,159 --> 00:12:00,840 had when they were going through the rubble of Reach. They're talking about the 169 00:12:00,960 --> 00:12:05,919 Lucky Coin and whatnot. But even just like she's saying that, hey, 170 00:12:05,960 --> 00:12:07,720 we need you here for this fight, and he's like, you don't need 171 00:12:07,799 --> 00:12:11,679 me. You never you never really did, you know, Like I maybe 172 00:12:11,679 --> 00:12:15,360 did a little bit, but like it's kind of down to every individual person 173 00:12:15,360 --> 00:12:18,519 who's whatever the battle or fight that they've been in in the past, and 174 00:12:18,559 --> 00:12:22,440 so I thought that was really nice of kind of just him believing in them 175 00:12:22,480 --> 00:12:26,200 and wanting them to believe in themselves and that he doesn't need to be there 176 00:12:26,320 --> 00:12:30,559 necessarily. But she kind of pushed back on that and seems to think that, 177 00:12:31,799 --> 00:12:35,000 Okay, maybe maybe he does have like some special powers or something, 178 00:12:35,279 --> 00:12:39,360 but either way, he is just such a symbol to these people, and 179 00:12:39,440 --> 00:12:41,919 we saw that as why those Shoulders soldiers didn't just like gun him down in 180 00:12:41,919 --> 00:12:45,399 the hallway when they had him dead to rights there. But to me, 181 00:12:45,519 --> 00:12:48,960 that was like really impactful, especially towards the end of episode when he's just 182 00:12:48,000 --> 00:12:52,320 walking through there in his suit and people are kind of seeing that and just 183 00:12:52,480 --> 00:12:58,399 feeling inspired. So I I quite like that. I feel like I didn't 184 00:12:58,519 --> 00:13:01,000 like what we did with the armor up to this point and the lack of 185 00:13:01,039 --> 00:13:05,000 it, but I think we actually got to a point that I thought was 186 00:13:05,120 --> 00:13:07,440 pretty cool in terms of establishing him as a symbol. And once again, 187 00:13:07,480 --> 00:13:11,240 it's like I wish we saw more of that. We actually saw why people 188 00:13:11,320 --> 00:13:15,159 have so much respect for him. It's still a lot of like, yeah, 189 00:13:15,200 --> 00:13:16,600 I guess, I guess they do. He did some cool things in 190 00:13:16,639 --> 00:13:20,759 the past before we ever saw it. But at least I like where we've 191 00:13:20,840 --> 00:13:26,759 kind of ended off with that element of it. Yeah, I would agree 192 00:13:26,799 --> 00:13:30,320 with that. Actually make a really good point about him kind of imposing that 193 00:13:30,320 --> 00:13:31,720 that thought to them that they can do it. They have the strength and 194 00:13:31,759 --> 00:13:35,159 the courage and they don't need him. I'm trying to remember, did he 195 00:13:35,320 --> 00:13:41,679 tell her that you're going on a suicide mission? I don't think so. 196 00:13:41,879 --> 00:13:46,480 I don't think so. No, because like remind me how that conversation was 197 00:13:46,519 --> 00:13:50,320 going from his perspective, right, Like the reason why he wasn't going with 198 00:13:50,399 --> 00:13:54,600 them was he's going on his own mission. That and then and then like 199 00:13:54,679 --> 00:13:58,799 I was just kind of confused because he was going off about saying like it's 200 00:13:58,840 --> 00:14:05,200 not necessarily like the person that gets the credit that like wins, like wins 201 00:14:05,240 --> 00:14:09,080 gets the victory or something along those those lines. Like like what exactly was 202 00:14:09,120 --> 00:14:13,240 he saying there? Because for me, like in that dialogue, it just 203 00:14:13,279 --> 00:14:16,639 seemed like although he doesn't say you're going on a suicide mission, it's just 204 00:14:16,679 --> 00:14:18,679 like yeah, I no, Like I'm I got my armor now, I 205 00:14:18,720 --> 00:14:24,080 am this this massive symbol and like from her perspective, that's like the ultimate 206 00:14:24,120 --> 00:14:28,120 morale booster to like see that armor on the battle line like with you and 207 00:14:28,240 --> 00:14:31,080 just knowing that he's just not going there and like he's kind of cagy with 208 00:14:31,120 --> 00:14:35,840 like what his mission is on, like why he wouldn't be going there. 209 00:14:35,759 --> 00:14:39,519 Like I kind of took it like from her, like like she was totally 210 00:14:39,519 --> 00:14:43,720 in the right to be super pissed off there, and like literally just having 211 00:14:43,799 --> 00:14:46,960 him there would be so powerful in the sense of like if you see him 212 00:14:46,960 --> 00:14:50,639 before you go in battle, but he's not actually on the battle with you, 213 00:14:50,159 --> 00:14:54,159 that's kind of a negative. But like maybe it's because he's somewhere else, 214 00:14:54,240 --> 00:14:58,519 like in the battle, like doing something important, Like is that more 215 00:14:58,600 --> 00:15:03,240 so how it was being from you guys. Well, one thing I feel 216 00:15:03,240 --> 00:15:07,799 like with this section in general is like in terms of all the soldiers like 217 00:15:07,879 --> 00:15:13,000 turning and being in favor of Chief and wanting to support him and his kind 218 00:15:13,000 --> 00:15:15,879 of militia that he's got going on here, Like that is something that I 219 00:15:15,919 --> 00:15:18,200 don't feel like they did a good job of setting up at all to get 220 00:15:18,200 --> 00:15:22,399 to this point, even like Akerson is like now good like on his side, 221 00:15:22,399 --> 00:15:26,000 and that was what happened in two seconds, even Kai turning around, 222 00:15:26,000 --> 00:15:28,600 and I didn't feel like where we left off last episode, we were getting 223 00:15:28,639 --> 00:15:31,480 into that. So it's weird, Like I feel like none of the foundation 224 00:15:31,679 --> 00:15:33,639 is there. So the only thing I can really say is that like the 225 00:15:33,879 --> 00:15:39,320 actual like the actual scenes I thought were well done here. But yeah, 226 00:15:39,519 --> 00:15:45,399 it did feel very sudden to me. But yeah, I don't know. 227 00:15:45,799 --> 00:15:48,399 I guess I don't understand exactly what's going on, like with his mission or 228 00:15:48,399 --> 00:15:52,679 his goal here necessarily, so I'm maybe a little confused as you are there. 229 00:15:54,320 --> 00:15:58,440 But yeah, I I I guess that's one of one things I was 230 00:15:58,519 --> 00:16:02,279 kind of saying earlier. Is it just the symbolic nature of it is, 231 00:16:02,399 --> 00:16:07,639 Yeah, he just feels like trying to think of a different way to word 232 00:16:07,679 --> 00:16:17,639 it, but he like he's like like it's just like seeing him like is 233 00:16:17,759 --> 00:16:19,600 enough to kind of boost the morale. I guess, like of the soldiers, 234 00:16:19,600 --> 00:16:22,039 even though they're not necessarily that's like what happened at Reach right when it 235 00:16:22,080 --> 00:16:26,480 was fine, they saw him without the armor and they're all like, oh, 236 00:16:26,600 --> 00:16:32,759 yeah, that guy. It's maybe he feels like he he he just 237 00:16:32,799 --> 00:16:34,600 wants the people to like to believe in themselves and realize they can do it 238 00:16:34,600 --> 00:16:40,799 and they don't need him around. But after that conversation with Pres realizes that 239 00:16:41,679 --> 00:16:44,120 Okay, It's like, what's the word that worst that can happen if I 240 00:16:44,120 --> 00:16:47,279 do put the armor on and like act as that symbol for these people because 241 00:16:47,279 --> 00:16:49,320 they need it right now. And this, Yeah, we're in dire straits 242 00:16:49,320 --> 00:16:53,039 here right Definitely, I see where you're coming from there, And like for 243 00:16:53,120 --> 00:16:56,519 the overall scene between him and pres I do agree. I think I think 244 00:16:56,519 --> 00:17:00,919 that was really good back and forth. It was heavily carried by Perez, 245 00:17:02,039 --> 00:17:06,559 like that actress was heavily carrying that when you just have Papa kind of standing 246 00:17:06,599 --> 00:17:11,680 there, little little airheady and like it's so funny because you know, breaking 247 00:17:11,680 --> 00:17:15,039 the fourth wall. We did our fan cast and I picked him as a 248 00:17:15,039 --> 00:17:18,400 certain X Men character, and I'm just like seeing him in that role now, 249 00:17:18,400 --> 00:17:22,079 like while I'm watching the show and I'm just like, God, what 250 00:17:22,599 --> 00:17:29,519 a funny uh what if that would be? But anyways, for I think 251 00:17:29,599 --> 00:17:37,880 something something that like kind of brings down like maybe my overall excitement for seeing 252 00:17:37,920 --> 00:17:41,519 him as this like super powerful symbol is kind of just like the one man 253 00:17:41,559 --> 00:17:45,000 like vengeance show that like Chief has been on. Like even in this episode, 254 00:17:45,039 --> 00:17:49,440 he says like he he came here to just punch a hole in Akerson's 255 00:17:49,519 --> 00:17:52,319 chest and like, murder this man, like that was his goal. I 256 00:17:52,319 --> 00:17:57,599 got to come What does he say? I thought that was wild? Like 257 00:17:57,599 --> 00:18:00,680 like this is master Chief, is the guy it's gonna save humans, you 258 00:18:00,680 --> 00:18:03,720 know, take on the Covenant, stop the Halo, and like his one 259 00:18:03,799 --> 00:18:07,759 mission is to come here and just fucking murk this man. Like what is 260 00:18:07,799 --> 00:18:11,079 going on? I came here to punch a hole in your chest and watch 261 00:18:11,119 --> 00:18:15,359 the life drain out of you. That's not my master Chief, that's my 262 00:18:15,559 --> 00:18:21,119 symbol of freedom. And yeah and then yeah, even like you know, 263 00:18:21,240 --> 00:18:25,599 Kai has been at Akerson's heels for the last few episodes here, but what 264 00:18:25,680 --> 00:18:30,359 was her quip too? Of uh, I'm trying to remember like what that 265 00:18:30,400 --> 00:18:33,799 moment was exactly. But he was like, I don't give me some reason 266 00:18:33,839 --> 00:18:37,559 why I shouldn't like kill this guy, and she's like, I don't really 267 00:18:37,599 --> 00:18:44,440 have any reason. You're like, goofy little way. Yeah, so like 268 00:18:44,559 --> 00:18:48,200 it's just super solo mission, which I mean throughout the games, I guess 269 00:18:48,240 --> 00:18:52,480 that's kind of been a case for master Chief. But for how they've been 270 00:18:52,519 --> 00:18:56,160 writing this story, it's just it's really not working for me and like making 271 00:18:56,200 --> 00:19:00,680 me really hope to like I don't know, see him go on this solo 272 00:19:00,720 --> 00:19:04,559 mission like it's it's I'm like more so interested in the spartan three combat versus 273 00:19:06,079 --> 00:19:10,680 what's gonna be going on with with Chief And but like that's just because of 274 00:19:10,720 --> 00:19:14,039 where we've like the journey that we've gone on. It's kind of since the 275 00:19:14,279 --> 00:19:18,240 first season, I think just hasn't been the best trajectory, even though along 276 00:19:18,240 --> 00:19:22,079 the way there's there might be some some bright points, just the overall journey, 277 00:19:22,319 --> 00:19:23,920 I'm not really liking what's going on. But were you guys thrown off 278 00:19:23,960 --> 00:19:30,039 with the scene when he's when she was telling Kai about Vannick's death and he 279 00:19:30,119 --> 00:19:34,960 just said like four times like he didn't understand, he didn't understand. I 280 00:19:36,000 --> 00:19:41,559 didn't understand what that scene. I was really confused about his delivery there. 281 00:19:41,039 --> 00:19:44,759 I don't know how Taylor felt on that one, but like I actually quite 282 00:19:44,880 --> 00:19:48,160 like that scene as well. Like with with with the armor room and that 283 00:19:48,240 --> 00:19:51,519 line, it worked for me because I just thought in the sense of if 284 00:19:51,559 --> 00:19:55,559 these are like super super soldiers, like there's never an instance where like they 285 00:19:55,599 --> 00:20:00,200 feel like like they would be at like just upperhanded like that, especially they're 286 00:20:00,240 --> 00:20:03,519 always in their armor like taking a needler to the chest in your what is 287 00:20:03,559 --> 00:20:07,640 it, Mulnier? Is that the armor the Spartan Army, Spartan armor, 288 00:20:07,680 --> 00:20:11,880 like I would imagine they're just like so used to combat in the sense of 289 00:20:11,920 --> 00:20:15,839 like I'll never get taken out, like I'll never be in a position that 290 00:20:15,240 --> 00:20:18,200 I am like about to die. And then if he is about to die, 291 00:20:18,240 --> 00:20:21,880 it's just like I don't wander I don't under like that. Just I 292 00:20:21,880 --> 00:20:23,119 don't know. That's just how I kind of read into it. But maybe 293 00:20:23,279 --> 00:20:27,880 I'm overthinking it. But Taylor, what do you think My interpretation of that 294 00:20:27,920 --> 00:20:33,839 scene was they they weren't expecting to be left behind, were being expected to 295 00:20:33,880 --> 00:20:37,000 have the suits taken away or anything like that. And just that moment where 296 00:20:37,440 --> 00:20:41,759 your people you thought you were trying to save kind of basically turned and abandoned 297 00:20:41,759 --> 00:20:45,240 you. I think that's what you just you don't understand, like why would 298 00:20:45,240 --> 00:20:48,359 they be left in this situation? Why would you be condemned to die when 299 00:20:48,400 --> 00:20:52,599 you are a hero, you're trying to save people. And ultimately, I 300 00:20:52,599 --> 00:20:56,440 think I think there is more light on that too. When he they they 301 00:20:56,480 --> 00:20:59,920 talk and highlight about this idea that the moment you were abducted as a kid, 302 00:21:00,319 --> 00:21:03,720 was the moment you died, and I think that you just didn't realize 303 00:21:03,720 --> 00:21:06,519 that at that point. And now this is the point here where you're dying 304 00:21:06,519 --> 00:21:11,200 and you still don't realize that these it's your death. So gota something along 305 00:21:11,200 --> 00:21:15,319 those lines. But I don't understand. I don't understand. I don't understand. 306 00:21:15,920 --> 00:21:18,559 Yeah, it's on my death, then I don't understand. I don't 307 00:21:18,599 --> 00:21:22,000 understand what's going on. Hopefully I'm not at that point. I don't know 308 00:21:22,039 --> 00:21:23,720 if I have much to add on these characters, but I mean, we 309 00:21:23,759 --> 00:21:30,319 talked about acresson a little bit. I do feel like the turn of him 310 00:21:30,400 --> 00:21:33,119 kind being on chief side here was just I like we' were like building up 311 00:21:33,160 --> 00:21:37,240 with this character because we talked about that or this whole earlier season. Like, 312 00:21:37,279 --> 00:21:40,160 I don't know what they're leading towards with Akersson. Maybe Taylor had some 313 00:21:40,160 --> 00:21:42,799 more like perspective going and knowing that character what I kind of forget him from 314 00:21:42,799 --> 00:21:45,319 the games, but yeah, it's like, Okay, this is what you 315 00:21:45,359 --> 00:21:48,160 were building towards, don't I don't see him doing anything big and valiant in 316 00:21:48,160 --> 00:21:52,039 the last episode, maybe like sacrifices himself. It's like, I don't care 317 00:21:52,119 --> 00:21:56,400 if he does that. But I also feel like Parrengoski has been like really 318 00:21:56,759 --> 00:22:03,480 poorly set up in this season as an antagonist that I should feel intimidated by 319 00:22:03,599 --> 00:22:08,200 or scared by, or even intrigued by in any way. She didn't have 320 00:22:08,240 --> 00:22:14,119 a whole lot of screen time in this season to this point. But yeah, 321 00:22:14,279 --> 00:22:18,160 it just it feels very off to me, and like that tension hasn't 322 00:22:18,240 --> 00:22:22,200 really worked, and now that we're actually seeing Chief and Acreson interacting again, 323 00:22:22,200 --> 00:22:25,359 it's just not working at all. And then the Covenant is such a weird 324 00:22:25,680 --> 00:22:29,960 threat because like a couple times in the season have they actually on a face 325 00:22:29,960 --> 00:22:33,119 to face level interacted with our protagonists and those characters. That feels like kind 326 00:22:33,160 --> 00:22:37,839 of a separate storyline. So overall, just like the antagonist villain, like 327 00:22:37,839 --> 00:22:41,839 that element of the show, I think it's really really weak at this point. 328 00:22:42,279 --> 00:22:48,039 So hopefully they can kind of bring it home with an interesting connection between 329 00:22:48,039 --> 00:22:51,039 all of them and the finale there. But whatever the stuff was going on 330 00:22:51,039 --> 00:22:55,519 in this episode was was not really working for me. Yeah. No, 331 00:22:55,640 --> 00:23:00,119 I one hundred percent agree with you on Acresson as well as Parentgovsky. I 332 00:23:00,039 --> 00:23:07,519 feel like the acreson switch they'll switch through in his motivation, Like, yeah, 333 00:23:07,559 --> 00:23:11,720 it just seemed so sudden. It's almost like early of this season he's 334 00:23:11,759 --> 00:23:15,680 basically like where Parentosky is right now, where like it's just like a complete 335 00:23:17,200 --> 00:23:22,240 antagonist to like our heroes air quote our heroes don't really love our heroes, 336 00:23:22,279 --> 00:23:26,880 but anyways, like just an opposing force. And then now that like they 337 00:23:26,880 --> 00:23:30,319 got off reach, it just it's revealed that like, I guess Akerson's just 338 00:23:30,359 --> 00:23:34,880 been working for Pengoski and Pengoski's is this just like opposing force to Akerson, 339 00:23:36,000 --> 00:23:40,200 And like before she was in before she was like really in this season, 340 00:23:40,240 --> 00:23:42,759 it just seemed like she wasn't really there at all, and now that she 341 00:23:42,960 --> 00:23:48,039 is, like they just have a total switch around on what their roles are. 342 00:23:48,039 --> 00:23:52,880 And yeah, no, I really really am not liking what Parentosky's got 343 00:23:52,920 --> 00:23:56,160 going on. Like it doesn't even seem like Okay, yeah, she's super 344 00:23:56,200 --> 00:24:00,960 super harsh making these harsh decisions for the grit or good. It's just like 345 00:24:00,000 --> 00:24:03,759 it just seems like she's making bad guy moves, like she's just sending the 346 00:24:03,799 --> 00:24:07,079 Spartan threes in one fleet at a time, they get instantly wiped, Like 347 00:24:07,079 --> 00:24:11,039 I didn't even see a single Covenant dot go out, Like it was literally 348 00:24:11,079 --> 00:24:14,400 one hundred to zero that the Covenant just wiped out all these parton threes. 349 00:24:14,839 --> 00:24:18,519 Akresson's just balling his eyes out next to her because his life's work is just 350 00:24:18,559 --> 00:24:22,079 getting marked in like the period of like ten seconds. She's like, send 351 00:24:22,160 --> 00:24:26,880 another one, send another one, and like she just seems like a doctor 352 00:24:26,920 --> 00:24:30,200 evil type villain where like she's just sending like this cannon fodder to just get 353 00:24:30,279 --> 00:24:36,559 marked constantly, and like how is this strategically Like like she says like, 354 00:24:36,680 --> 00:24:38,079 yeah, we have to win, like like we have to win, well, 355 00:24:38,119 --> 00:24:41,839 then fucking come up with a new plan like this is horrible. And 356 00:24:41,880 --> 00:24:45,119 Akerson's trying to say that they're like specops units like they need to have like 357 00:24:45,279 --> 00:24:49,359 very specific duties. She's like they will go where I demand them to go, 358 00:24:49,440 --> 00:24:52,480 and like all of that is just so not work. Like I was 359 00:24:52,519 --> 00:24:56,279 I was like laughing in that moment because I just couldn't believe how like how 360 00:24:57,079 --> 00:25:02,880 like bland of a of an antagonist she is, Like she's not intriguing, 361 00:25:02,960 --> 00:25:06,240 she doesn't have like cool plant like tricks up her sleeves where it's like, 362 00:25:06,279 --> 00:25:08,039 Okay, I can kind of see where she's coming from. It's just she 363 00:25:08,079 --> 00:25:11,240 seems kind of like an idiot and like she's like the leader of the UNSC, 364 00:25:11,480 --> 00:25:14,839 and just the scale of it is not working for me at all. 365 00:25:14,880 --> 00:25:18,519 And this, like these moments are where I'm thinking of, like, I 366 00:25:18,359 --> 00:25:21,839 just don't like what this show has been going on. Like like there is 367 00:25:21,880 --> 00:25:26,519 glimpses of good stuff between UNSC and the Covenant, but like that's not even 368 00:25:26,559 --> 00:25:29,480 what the show's about. It's just like the UNSC and they're like corrupt, 369 00:25:30,000 --> 00:25:33,559 corrupt hierarchy, and then you have Chief just trying to take down the hierarchy. 370 00:25:33,640 --> 00:25:37,359 Meanwhile the Halo's just out there somewhere. You got the Arbiter and and 371 00:25:37,359 --> 00:25:41,759 what's her face? Yeah, thank you McKee on their own little jaunts. 372 00:25:41,839 --> 00:25:48,359 So that yeah, just that scene was really really bothering me. And yeah, 373 00:25:48,440 --> 00:25:51,799 no, I was kind of going off there. So you guys talk 374 00:25:51,839 --> 00:25:55,759 about whatever, Well, I know, I agree. I think Akerson as 375 00:25:55,759 --> 00:26:00,279 a character making this flip is way it's way too early, and I hate 376 00:26:00,279 --> 00:26:03,880 that. Again, his rivalry with Halsey has been put to rest already because 377 00:26:04,279 --> 00:26:11,119 The main thing with this character is he's just got this super rival mindset against 378 00:26:11,119 --> 00:26:15,319 Halsey, and he cares so much about his own legacy and his aspirations for 379 00:26:15,599 --> 00:26:22,720 his his ego and his legacy can sometimes get kerfuddled up in doing the right 380 00:26:22,759 --> 00:26:27,279 thing. He just makes for a very compelling opposition character. And in this 381 00:26:27,440 --> 00:26:30,400 it's just you see, he cares about his life work, but he doesn't 382 00:26:30,400 --> 00:26:33,519 care about seeming like his name. He's willing to go down with the ship 383 00:26:33,559 --> 00:26:37,240 and that doesn't seem like the Acreson that I'm familiar with. And he's the 384 00:26:37,240 --> 00:26:41,160 good guy now, which even more doesn't seem like the Ackerson I'm familiar with. 385 00:26:41,200 --> 00:26:45,359 He's helping the Spartans and all that, and he's like smiling because on 386 00:26:45,400 --> 00:26:49,200 the comms when he walks in there with Perengotsky, and Perengosky's being told like, 387 00:26:49,240 --> 00:26:53,240 oh, there's a condor leaving unauthorized access, and you just hear over 388 00:26:53,279 --> 00:26:57,720 the comms this is Master Chief John one one seven, and then Perengossy's like 389 00:26:57,799 --> 00:27:00,960 a rest accurson. He's like, who do you think they're gonna believe? 390 00:27:02,039 --> 00:27:04,680 Now? It's like what smile that he game? Like as soon as he 391 00:27:04,680 --> 00:27:12,039 heard John's voice, Oh yeah, it's brutal, but yeah, Pengngoski is 392 00:27:12,079 --> 00:27:17,119 a character of I don't know. They bring her up from they make make 393 00:27:17,160 --> 00:27:21,279 you think that she was kicked out of service and now she's secretly she's been 394 00:27:21,319 --> 00:27:25,279 working with only the whole time. Here she is leading the charge. I'd 395 00:27:25,279 --> 00:27:29,440 be pulling a mutiny on this woman so fucking fast because when she yes, 396 00:27:29,519 --> 00:27:33,880 she's just sending in the squads like one after the next. And I understand 397 00:27:33,319 --> 00:27:38,000 this show is probably saving a lot of its budget for the next episode, 398 00:27:38,039 --> 00:27:41,160 the finale, and like how they're managing their their funds and stuff. But 399 00:27:41,240 --> 00:27:44,599 I would have loved to have seen how the scene went. But I can 400 00:27:44,599 --> 00:27:48,400 appreciate this the the intensity of it. When they're listening to the commns and 401 00:27:48,440 --> 00:27:51,880 they're like, you guys are the first wave you're going in and the Spartan 402 00:27:51,920 --> 00:27:55,200 three's like we got this, YadA, YadA, YadA, and then the 403 00:27:55,759 --> 00:28:00,400 mic is just feed just got cuts to dead and like Spartan Spartan that like 404 00:28:00,440 --> 00:28:03,160 that's what got me. They're like super hype, like, yeah we got 405 00:28:03,160 --> 00:28:07,720 this, mam, And she like does this little little one liner to like 406 00:28:07,759 --> 00:28:11,319 motivate the troops, like you're gonna carry the bat, like you're gonna carry 407 00:28:11,319 --> 00:28:14,160 the bill. Whatever the fuck she says, Yeah, it's like a bill. 408 00:28:14,400 --> 00:28:17,920 We got this wrong. Like two seconds later, just all the blips 409 00:28:17,920 --> 00:28:22,799 go out, like oh oh that just happened. Okay, next fleet, 410 00:28:22,839 --> 00:28:26,160 get ready. I was trying to understand the setup here because I thought that 411 00:28:26,200 --> 00:28:30,920 Onyx was being attacked, but it's having it's having earthquakes or something, so 412 00:28:30,960 --> 00:28:34,039 I'm not sure. But they're analyzing because they know where the Halo Ring is, 413 00:28:34,079 --> 00:28:37,119 and the Halo Ring the location was sent to them. I'm wassuming Black 414 00:28:37,160 --> 00:28:41,720 Cortana once the other the Covenant figured out where it is. And this is 415 00:28:41,759 --> 00:28:45,759 where the story gets kind of convoluted because it was one small cluster that of 416 00:28:45,799 --> 00:28:49,319 ships, Covenant ships that arrived at Halo. They didn't know where the Halo 417 00:28:49,480 --> 00:28:52,839 was. The pillar bottom made a random jump, and this one human ship 418 00:28:52,920 --> 00:28:56,160 landed there and a couple Covenant ships followed suit, and we're like, oh 419 00:28:56,160 --> 00:28:59,680 my god, we found the Halo Ring. And that was the end of 420 00:28:59,680 --> 00:29:03,680 that. But here we have high Charity. We got like every coup, 421 00:29:03,839 --> 00:29:06,960 like the biggest Covenant fleet of all time, showing up at the Halo Ring, 422 00:29:07,599 --> 00:29:12,519 but they're just following the Arbiter and McKee's ship because they knew where they 423 00:29:12,519 --> 00:29:15,640 were going. So again you can see the similar parallel where they swapped out 424 00:29:15,680 --> 00:29:22,200 the Arbiter McKey ship for being no longer being like the pillar bottom the human 425 00:29:22,240 --> 00:29:26,240 ship. And it's just funny how you have these parallels here where it's like 426 00:29:26,839 --> 00:29:32,000 the Arbiter is like your Captain keys, you got Kurtana with McKee and mckey's 427 00:29:32,039 --> 00:29:34,000 like your master Chief kind of thing. They're fleeing the Covenant going to the 428 00:29:34,039 --> 00:29:40,519 Halo Ring, but the just to revert back and see what Peangoski was looking 429 00:29:40,559 --> 00:29:44,839 at on the display where it's starting to get like staticky because there's so many 430 00:29:44,880 --> 00:29:49,960 fucking ships like causing gravitational disturbances in this area, just to send your troops 431 00:29:51,000 --> 00:29:56,000 into that like one of the time, Like it's just the stupidest of stupids 432 00:29:56,000 --> 00:30:02,240 I've ever heard of. Yeah, how do you guys feel about the I 433 00:30:02,279 --> 00:30:04,880 guess it was the opening of the episode which was like takes like this, 434 00:30:06,039 --> 00:30:10,400 you know, second after last episode where both Chief and McKee touched the artifact 435 00:30:10,400 --> 00:30:14,319 and they have this moment where they meet, I guess as like holograms essentially 436 00:30:14,359 --> 00:30:17,720 on on the Halo Ring, and they have like very like the lighting was 437 00:30:17,799 --> 00:30:21,240 so savage. Yeah, you know, it makes sense. It's not like 438 00:30:21,279 --> 00:30:25,880 they're not really there. It's supposed to be some sort of weird anomaly vision 439 00:30:25,920 --> 00:30:29,799 thing, so it can It's okay if it looks like bad CGI. But 440 00:30:29,880 --> 00:30:33,079 yeah, how did you guys feel about that scene? Like they have a 441 00:30:33,200 --> 00:30:40,720 very intimate relationship still, It's it's just very kind of bizarre how little screen 442 00:30:40,759 --> 00:30:42,880 time they've had this season together. I'm sure we'll have something next episode, 443 00:30:44,920 --> 00:30:51,720 something more meaty perhaps. Yeah. I like the one on one between Chief 444 00:30:51,720 --> 00:30:55,960 and Perez a lot more than the one on one between Chief and McKee here, 445 00:30:56,400 --> 00:30:59,759 I think, just because I like the performance more of Perez going off 446 00:30:59,799 --> 00:31:04,240 with the with Chief and like I think, I think, I think McKee 447 00:31:04,400 --> 00:31:10,039 is all right of a character, and her performance has been definitely better than 448 00:31:10,079 --> 00:31:12,720 what Chiefs has been throughout the entire show. But I feel like she's always 449 00:31:12,759 --> 00:31:18,720 she's always you know, Pablo's like never really acting, He's just like blank 450 00:31:18,759 --> 00:31:22,319 face. She's always like like over acting, like always shaking her head and 451 00:31:22,359 --> 00:31:25,359 like her eyes are going crazy and she's always she always has like this intensity 452 00:31:25,920 --> 00:31:29,720 to her in like it feels like ninety percent of her scenes. Yeah, 453 00:31:29,720 --> 00:31:32,759 she's like maybe overdes it a bit, but it's it's at least like she's 454 00:31:32,759 --> 00:31:34,799 at least trying kind of thing. I think that's why, like last season, 455 00:31:34,839 --> 00:31:37,960 when we didn't really know too much about her, I'm like she's some 456 00:31:37,079 --> 00:31:41,160 sort of weird Covenant alien thing, like like there's there's something going on under 457 00:31:41,160 --> 00:31:48,680 those that that skin. Yeah, for transformation, but like I don't know 458 00:31:51,119 --> 00:31:56,319 the Halo like what would you call it. I guess like filter that that 459 00:31:56,359 --> 00:32:00,000 they have going on, Like every time that they're on these like dream sequence 460 00:32:00,240 --> 00:32:04,839 is it's kind of it's kind of funny, like it's a beautiful place, 461 00:32:04,960 --> 00:32:08,319 especially like I've just memed so much on that shot from last season where mckey's 462 00:32:08,359 --> 00:32:12,480 like it's beautiful, isn't it and she's just like surrounded by the light. 463 00:32:13,000 --> 00:32:15,599 I just think of that every time I see us go to Halo, at 464 00:32:15,640 --> 00:32:20,440 least in this sense, I wonder what will happen when we actually land on 465 00:32:20,480 --> 00:32:25,119 the ring itself. But getting back to like their actual dialogue and what was 466 00:32:25,160 --> 00:32:30,640 said I didn't get. I didn't get too much out of it, I 467 00:32:30,640 --> 00:32:32,920 think because I don't have too much invested in like their relationship. It's not 468 00:32:34,000 --> 00:32:37,480 like I'm really rooting for like these two to like get together. I still 469 00:32:37,519 --> 00:32:43,079 don't fully understand like what's connecting them and like why they like they just have 470 00:32:43,160 --> 00:32:47,680 such like an intimate relationship other than just like when they've used like the Forerunner 471 00:32:47,720 --> 00:32:52,720 tech they've they've kind of because like last season, You're gonna have to remind 472 00:32:52,720 --> 00:32:55,480 me like they like see like each other sort of thing, right, Like 473 00:32:55,480 --> 00:33:00,599 like there's some sort of connection in that sense almost like a a Raylow type 474 00:33:00,599 --> 00:33:05,559 thing going on, or yeah, okay, it was like that, Yeah, 475 00:33:05,559 --> 00:33:07,519 I guess it would that just be like related to the artifacts in general, 476 00:33:07,559 --> 00:33:13,680 like is it like but they never like fully explained why that happens between 477 00:33:13,799 --> 00:33:17,160 these specific two, right and McKee's like are you really so different? Like 478 00:33:17,160 --> 00:33:22,240 like are you know, like I don't know. It was just I didn't 479 00:33:22,279 --> 00:33:27,240 get a lot out of that. They kind of hinted at it a little 480 00:33:27,599 --> 00:33:30,960 bit in this episode, but then they they I feel like they've kind of 481 00:33:31,000 --> 00:33:37,200 like dis disproven or discredited there there's that theory at the same time or that 482 00:33:37,279 --> 00:33:40,279 type of storytelling because of what we saw in season one, so I'm not 483 00:33:40,319 --> 00:33:45,079 sure exactly how. And I say that because of well we'll get into the 484 00:33:45,440 --> 00:33:49,279 fore miner stuff with Halsey after. It's just weird how they were talking about 485 00:33:49,359 --> 00:33:57,400 DNA and stuff and just it's very convoluted. But her character, like starting 486 00:33:57,440 --> 00:34:00,119 off in this episode with them back on their little dream sequence. God, 487 00:34:00,160 --> 00:34:05,240 I hate that shit. I hate it so much. It's fucking terrible. 488 00:34:05,519 --> 00:34:08,000 And what did she say? What did she say? Yeah, like, 489 00:34:08,360 --> 00:34:12,320 I wish I could share the screenshot. It won't let me upload it right 490 00:34:12,360 --> 00:34:19,159 now. Maybe you can see it from from my phone. So she's like 491 00:34:19,679 --> 00:34:22,840 she grabbed at that scene, she grabs Chief like hands, pulls him close, 492 00:34:23,559 --> 00:34:30,440 and then she says, because they're basically like chiefs saying that this fuck. 493 00:34:30,760 --> 00:34:32,960 Chief is saying that this is basically a weapon, like they can't Covenant 494 00:34:34,000 --> 00:34:36,159 can't have it. She's like, well, humanity can't have it either, 495 00:34:36,159 --> 00:34:39,280 because it will be a weapon. Yeah, and then she just says, 496 00:34:39,320 --> 00:34:42,920 you know, the ring doesn't belong to them, it belongs to us. 497 00:34:43,119 --> 00:34:45,320 We can make this a haven, a peaceful play. I'm like, what 498 00:34:45,360 --> 00:34:50,639 the fuck are you babbling on about? Just and I hate that they already 499 00:34:50,679 --> 00:34:52,920 know what the Halo is. I hate that they know it's a weapon. 500 00:34:52,960 --> 00:34:54,559 They've never been there, but they all know what's a weapon already. It's 501 00:34:54,559 --> 00:34:59,119 like, man, are you kidding me? They didn't even realize that until 502 00:34:59,159 --> 00:35:01,599 the very end of of the first Halo game, like, and so they 503 00:35:01,599 --> 00:35:05,960 started studying it and exploring it a bit. But that's a good point, 504 00:35:06,039 --> 00:35:09,199 Like that is a big leap of logic or like there's no reason why they 505 00:35:09,239 --> 00:35:13,400 know that in this show, right, there's no reason. Yeah, just 506 00:35:13,840 --> 00:35:19,239 they're justumings are just assuming that it's a weapon. That like that's why the 507 00:35:19,280 --> 00:35:23,760 Covenant won it. And that bothers me that they know this. And it's 508 00:35:23,800 --> 00:35:28,679 like it's a race to the Halo for that reason, not like for both 509 00:35:28,719 --> 00:35:31,440 sides, right, Like the Covenant want to get there because the Arbiters. 510 00:35:31,760 --> 00:35:37,079 Uh, I guess vision but wasn't really a vision. It was Cortana right 511 00:35:37,119 --> 00:35:42,039 showing the like like initially he thought it was because of McKee being the blessed 512 00:35:42,039 --> 00:35:45,400 one that like they got that image, but it was actually Kurtana. It 513 00:35:45,480 --> 00:35:47,920 was actually Kurtana. Yeah, And at some point Cortana got the coordinates and 514 00:35:47,920 --> 00:35:52,599 it sent them to the Halo ring Covenant fleet followed, but she also relayed 515 00:35:52,599 --> 00:35:54,119 that to the human fleet. So that's why again I thought, when we 516 00:35:54,159 --> 00:35:57,719 saw Chief pop out with his condor, I thought that, Okay, this 517 00:35:57,800 --> 00:36:01,159 is all like a human fleet fighting the Covenant fleet. But really it's just, 518 00:36:01,360 --> 00:36:06,480 uh, it's just the Covenant all fighting each other. It's just fucking 519 00:36:06,519 --> 00:36:12,519 Spartan three is floating in space just getting charred. No survivors, Yeah, 520 00:36:12,639 --> 00:36:17,159 no survivors at all. The mention of Kurtana two, that was a That 521 00:36:17,239 --> 00:36:22,440 was another thing that I kind of came to the conclusion at maybe prematurely, 522 00:36:22,480 --> 00:36:24,599 but I don't know, we're kind of at the end of season two now. 523 00:36:24,800 --> 00:36:30,639 And uh, just while I was watching her scene with the I'm not 524 00:36:30,679 --> 00:36:34,760 gonna pretend to remember his name, but the Covenant priest character that was in 525 00:36:34,800 --> 00:36:37,400 pursuit of McKee at the start here when she was chatting with him, She's 526 00:36:37,440 --> 00:36:45,039 like, what Deep's That's what it seems like. I I just don't really 527 00:36:45,079 --> 00:36:47,440 like the usage of Kurtana either, like in this in the season for sure, 528 00:36:47,480 --> 00:36:51,280 I thought last season, because she was kind of hidden and like not 529 00:36:51,400 --> 00:36:55,639 really a solid thing until later on. There was some intrigue and mystery there, 530 00:36:55,679 --> 00:37:00,320 but I just don't like how she's been most with the Covenant this season 531 00:37:00,639 --> 00:37:07,440 and like working as a double agent for Paragowsky, a character that I'm really 532 00:37:07,519 --> 00:37:10,320 not liking the season, and she like is kind of with Chief, but 533 00:37:10,440 --> 00:37:14,800 like I feel like after the last season, like it didn't or sorry, 534 00:37:14,800 --> 00:37:16,559 after the end of the last episode, there wasn't really a lot of moments 535 00:37:16,599 --> 00:37:20,840 where it was like clear that she's like even communicating with Chief at all in 536 00:37:20,880 --> 00:37:23,159 the season or sorry in this episode, so that was kind of strange, 537 00:37:23,320 --> 00:37:27,880 and it was another one where I'm just like, Wow, I'm just really 538 00:37:27,880 --> 00:37:30,760 not loving with what they did here. I kind of just like the dynamic 539 00:37:30,800 --> 00:37:35,039 of Chief in his Armor with Kortana and like that's that, like, those 540 00:37:35,079 --> 00:37:37,920 are our those are our tools, that's our that's our protagonist's tools for this 541 00:37:38,039 --> 00:37:43,480 show, and that that's definitely not been the case for Armor, and Kortana 542 00:37:43,519 --> 00:37:46,760 has been very distant from him. But yeah, I don't know, like 543 00:37:46,800 --> 00:37:51,119 I was just kind of thinking about that in this in this episode specifically that 544 00:37:51,159 --> 00:37:54,320 like last season, I was really really liking the usage of Kortana in that 545 00:37:54,559 --> 00:37:59,159 and really liked all of her moments but hasn't really been any of that going 546 00:37:59,199 --> 00:38:02,079 on in the season and so far from me where I've really highlighted Kurtana in 547 00:38:02,119 --> 00:38:07,280 a positive sense. But yeah, I'm I'm glad you brought that up. 548 00:38:07,480 --> 00:38:08,880 I wrote this in my notes, why are we getting the adventures of McKey 549 00:38:08,920 --> 00:38:13,119 and Kurtana? I know, Chief and Cortana. I followed it up with 550 00:38:13,519 --> 00:38:16,039 everything we see between McKey and Kurtana is what I want to see with Chief 551 00:38:16,039 --> 00:38:20,800 and Kurtana, because in this episode, all we get from Chief and Krtana's 552 00:38:20,840 --> 00:38:23,639 relationship is the hallway lights turning off and on. It's fucking like horrible, 553 00:38:24,239 --> 00:38:28,960 Like there's there's no sustenance from that, and that's just guiding him to not 554 00:38:29,079 --> 00:38:34,800 to the suits. But I guess to where Akerson was because she was looking 555 00:38:34,800 --> 00:38:37,519 at like the blue doors that were opening up, and Kay's like, where 556 00:38:37,519 --> 00:38:44,559 are you going? Yeah, that's the Kay move. Yeah, it's well, 557 00:38:44,679 --> 00:38:46,159 why do you want to know that? The little like one liner that 558 00:38:46,199 --> 00:38:52,079 he hit her with. Cortana to me is just so forgettable in this show 559 00:38:52,159 --> 00:38:58,280 in general, but I'd say even more so this season, which is which 560 00:38:58,320 --> 00:39:00,480 is weird because she's one of the more one of the most iconic characters in 561 00:39:00,480 --> 00:39:04,880 the game for me, second to Chief from my perspective playing all those games. 562 00:39:06,000 --> 00:39:08,440 So it's weird, and she's just so she feels so plot device, 563 00:39:08,639 --> 00:39:14,000 like she doesn't really have a personality at all that I can gauge, and 564 00:39:14,039 --> 00:39:15,440 like it's like a different actress in the first season too, so maybe that 565 00:39:15,599 --> 00:39:21,000 takes away some of the connection. I think that's the case. So I 566 00:39:21,039 --> 00:39:23,199 don't know, it's just it's a weird, like nothing character, which I 567 00:39:23,199 --> 00:39:27,559 don't know what the plan is or the idea, what the character is, 568 00:39:27,599 --> 00:39:30,559 but whatever, it is not not working for me, that's for sure. 569 00:39:31,159 --> 00:39:37,239 It seems like because she is like such a powerful resource across the board, 570 00:39:37,280 --> 00:39:40,320 like for whoever has her hands, the showriters were just like, yeah, 571 00:39:40,440 --> 00:39:45,280 like let's just let's just kind of put her with McKee to like keep her 572 00:39:45,360 --> 00:39:51,920 away from from like John it's too powerful with even without his armor, and 573 00:39:52,039 --> 00:39:55,000 let alone with Cartana, so let's nerve him a little bit. But yeah, 574 00:39:55,119 --> 00:39:58,960 I don't know whatever the decision is. I'm I'm not vibing with that 575 00:39:59,039 --> 00:40:02,920 stuff. Superhand Mic in the comments, this is like the motivation I need, 576 00:40:02,960 --> 00:40:06,920 like going into each episode. Keep up the good fight Fellas only one 577 00:40:06,960 --> 00:40:10,000 episode left. I felt. I felt that today, like I'm just like, 578 00:40:10,039 --> 00:40:14,159 man, gonna go home watch the second last episode. Feels like we're 579 00:40:14,199 --> 00:40:16,280 on episode seventy two of the season. It's just been it's been going on 580 00:40:16,559 --> 00:40:24,159 and on and on, but almost there, Almost there. Ma y'all just 581 00:40:24,239 --> 00:40:30,519 mentioned this very quickly because there's not much to say here. Soren and this 582 00:40:30,679 --> 00:40:35,039 fucking Kessler storyline, it's just it's so it seems very lazy to me, 583 00:40:35,239 --> 00:40:37,639 like what they're trying to do here, And I don't know if it's a 584 00:40:37,679 --> 00:40:40,159 screen time thing, but I think it's more just like having any sort of 585 00:40:40,199 --> 00:40:45,360 ideas. But just like, first of all, I hate Soren for what 586 00:40:45,400 --> 00:40:47,480 he does in this episode. If I was like, oh, you know 587 00:40:47,519 --> 00:40:51,960 what, this is actually good for my son for him to get abducted and 588 00:40:52,480 --> 00:40:54,519 who knows what the fuck these people are gonna do with him beaten down on 589 00:40:54,599 --> 00:41:00,679 with fucking batons by like grown ass adults, he's totally okay with that, 590 00:41:00,840 --> 00:41:02,760 which is weird. It's like they going all these adventures together. Maybe he's 591 00:41:02,760 --> 00:41:06,239 felt this whole time, because going into this episode, I was like, 592 00:41:07,559 --> 00:41:10,719 I think Soren hates his kid or doesn't like his kid at all, and 593 00:41:10,719 --> 00:41:13,800 then so it's like, oh, okay, we kind of got that confirm 594 00:41:13,840 --> 00:41:17,639 he doesn't really seem to care. That's an interesting way for me to care 595 00:41:17,639 --> 00:41:22,239 about this character when I don't really know much about Kessler, and Soren's the 596 00:41:22,280 --> 00:41:24,840 more established character at this point, so I don't love that. But then, 597 00:41:25,119 --> 00:41:28,719 you know, then it feels like extra fabricated when at the end of 598 00:41:28,719 --> 00:41:32,519 this episode or later on in the episode when he goes to save the day 599 00:41:32,599 --> 00:41:37,079 and he just goes badass and destroys all these guards and protects his son and 600 00:41:37,119 --> 00:41:40,920 whatnot, it's like, it just it just felt so fake, like this 601 00:41:42,000 --> 00:41:46,599 fake reality TV show sort of drama to get me to think now that Soren 602 00:41:46,679 --> 00:41:52,039 is this valiant guy. What a He's a chivalrous knight for going to save 603 00:41:52,280 --> 00:41:54,800 his kid. He should care about his kid. He should save his kid. 604 00:41:54,960 --> 00:41:58,920 It shouldn't be set up that he doesn't care about his kid and then 605 00:41:58,920 --> 00:42:04,039 he does later on. It's just it's really kind of lazy and was a 606 00:42:04,079 --> 00:42:07,599 total drain on the episode. These last two I guess even the last three 607 00:42:07,639 --> 00:42:12,440 episodes, everything going on with those characters just no, no, get it 608 00:42:12,480 --> 00:42:15,199 out of here. This season would be so much better without that stuff in 609 00:42:15,280 --> 00:42:19,000 it. I mean, yeah, I said earlier in the non spoiler, 610 00:42:19,119 --> 00:42:22,800 I'm just not loving No, that's let me refra it. I am definitely 611 00:42:22,880 --> 00:42:25,800 not liking at all what's been going on with Sore and his lady. Uh 612 00:42:25,920 --> 00:42:29,519 Laura I believe was her name. I thought it was Lailah the whole season, 613 00:42:29,519 --> 00:42:30,920 and then he and then because I had the subtitles all this time because 614 00:42:30,920 --> 00:42:35,239 I need to now because it's all the Covenant talking conversations, and now I 615 00:42:35,239 --> 00:42:39,000 found it's Lara lay So when the way comes off, the name change right 616 00:42:40,159 --> 00:42:45,639 different. Yeah, Like I just I don't know, Like there's I guess 617 00:42:45,679 --> 00:42:50,079 there's an interesting substance to that dynamic in a different story, but for this 618 00:42:50,119 --> 00:42:52,199 one, it's not working. And even like the execution of it is is 619 00:42:52,280 --> 00:42:55,079 just not good, let alone like trying to mix it in with our main 620 00:42:55,079 --> 00:43:01,239 story here. So yeah, that that whole conversation when he's like like, 621 00:43:01,679 --> 00:43:07,039 imagine being in Lara's or Lara whatever her name is, well, like in 622 00:43:07,079 --> 00:43:09,440 her shoes in that moment, like you're on this hunt for your son with 623 00:43:09,480 --> 00:43:13,440 your loving husband, trying to get your only son back, and here he's 624 00:43:13,480 --> 00:43:15,079 like, you know, maybe it's good for him, Like what a betrayal 625 00:43:15,199 --> 00:43:20,719 that would be in that moment build character. She's like, yeah, her 626 00:43:20,760 --> 00:43:24,639 whole life is like just in this moment is focused on getting Kessler back, 627 00:43:24,679 --> 00:43:28,440 and then you just have this asshole next to you, like, yeah, 628 00:43:28,480 --> 00:43:30,679 this is this is good. Is what I did? I got beaten on. 629 00:43:30,800 --> 00:43:35,480 But he's metal, but talk to me now normal. It's the second 630 00:43:35,559 --> 00:43:37,679 time he's tried to do this. He just wants to get rid of the 631 00:43:37,719 --> 00:43:39,079 kid because he was talking to those two ladies like you know what, you 632 00:43:39,079 --> 00:43:43,800 could provide a good home, good home for him, So he just wants 633 00:43:43,840 --> 00:43:45,920 to dump this kid. Yeah, undred percent. He just wants to go 634 00:43:45,960 --> 00:43:50,639 back to his asteroid at this point. Yeah, And like it just seems 635 00:43:50,679 --> 00:43:54,719 like throughout the show he's been this like old Spartan that kind of just actually 636 00:43:54,760 --> 00:43:58,480 got out of that life and like is living his own life now. He's 637 00:43:58,519 --> 00:44:01,239 a family, Like it should be an interesting dynamic. But anytime he's like 638 00:44:01,280 --> 00:44:07,280 thrown in this situation to like prove that he's like like a good dad and 639 00:44:07,320 --> 00:44:10,400 like has these qualities of a good father, he's just like, I don't 640 00:44:10,400 --> 00:44:14,000 know, it's just like reverting back to the Spartan ways, and it's like, 641 00:44:14,039 --> 00:44:15,320 yeah, no, this is good, Like it'll it'll thicken them up, 642 00:44:15,960 --> 00:44:21,679 thick in his skin and just make them tougher. And like just comparing 643 00:44:21,760 --> 00:44:27,360 like what he went through, it just seems like his motivation earlier on should 644 00:44:27,400 --> 00:44:30,320 make it seem like he this would be the last thing that he wants Kesler 645 00:44:30,360 --> 00:44:31,880 to go through, like what he went through, and here he is thinking 646 00:44:31,920 --> 00:44:35,760 that it would be a good idea. He says all this, and then 647 00:44:35,760 --> 00:44:37,679 it gets down to it where Keser's going to do this like trial thing or 648 00:44:37,719 --> 00:44:42,079 fucking purge, whatever the hell's going on in this moment. Super dark. 649 00:44:42,119 --> 00:44:45,760 Nonetheless, he just like jumps in there and like kicks the shit out of 650 00:44:45,760 --> 00:44:47,159 all these Like I feel like he was just waiting for an excuse to beat 651 00:44:47,199 --> 00:44:52,639 on all these Yeah, Like it's clearly not Spartans. Like these guys in 652 00:44:52,719 --> 00:44:54,840 red with the with the bats, they just they're coming here thinking they're doing 653 00:44:54,840 --> 00:44:59,920 their job. Meanwhile, old story ready to see like a little like tooth 654 00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:04,480 three foot child come out of the smoke cape foot man just comes super Soldiers 655 00:45:04,559 --> 00:45:07,760 comes up, gets the shit out of all of them. Oh, like 656 00:45:07,840 --> 00:45:09,360 it was like a John Wick scene, just with how gravig it was getting 657 00:45:09,360 --> 00:45:14,599 with those metal bats. But I was so puzzled with what was going on. 658 00:45:14,679 --> 00:45:16,519 I thought, I thought he made one decision and then he reverts back, 659 00:45:16,559 --> 00:45:20,360 and then I thought they saved Kessler and they just get like abducted by 660 00:45:20,360 --> 00:45:23,239 the ghost people. That scene was all over the place, and I was 661 00:45:23,280 --> 00:45:29,559 just head scratching through. Yeah, yeah, I'm gonna get my thoughts after 662 00:45:29,599 --> 00:45:34,159 the sad break and I'm back to get my thoughts. I just couldn't agree 663 00:45:34,159 --> 00:45:37,159 more. I think it was just super weird. I don't care about Soren 664 00:45:37,239 --> 00:45:40,679 anymore and his wife and his son Kessler, and just the idea of just 665 00:45:40,800 --> 00:45:46,400 leaving Kessler in this situation just I don't. I can't can't get on board 666 00:45:46,400 --> 00:45:52,239 with that. For some context, because he alludes to the story about how 667 00:45:52,639 --> 00:45:54,880 there were five of us that were in this place with the restaurant hiding run 668 00:45:54,960 --> 00:46:01,519 away, him, vanik Ritz Kai in Chief were the last five that were 669 00:46:01,639 --> 00:46:07,800 standing. They really really changed up this story, and I don't like this 670 00:46:07,960 --> 00:46:15,519 story. This story just sounds it's not as justice doing justice a chief. 671 00:46:15,559 --> 00:46:20,280 So in the original story on Reach when they were kids, they were dropped 672 00:46:20,320 --> 00:46:22,599 out in the middle of nowhere, out in the woods, and they were 673 00:46:22,599 --> 00:46:25,360 total Okay, here's the location of a pelican. The last person to get 674 00:46:25,360 --> 00:46:29,239 here. The kids were all dropped separately. The last kid to get here 675 00:46:29,400 --> 00:46:31,800 is left behind and has to walk back to base. The rest all get 676 00:46:31,840 --> 00:46:36,119 to be e backed out on the pelican. So what Chief did when he 677 00:46:36,159 --> 00:46:38,679 was a boy, he grouped everyone together. They approached the area, they 678 00:46:38,719 --> 00:46:43,480 saw that it was guarded by odsts, so that, okay, we're gonna 679 00:46:43,519 --> 00:46:45,480 take these odsts down because we don't know if they're a threat, if they're 680 00:46:45,519 --> 00:46:50,599 a target, like what's going on. So they collectively work together neutralize all 681 00:46:50,679 --> 00:46:53,920 the adults, have them all knocked out and taken down, and then he 682 00:46:54,039 --> 00:46:59,199 makes sure makes sure that every single kid gets that pelican and then they go 683 00:47:00,039 --> 00:47:06,360 and it just really makes this character feel like the reliable and that's my chief, 684 00:47:06,480 --> 00:47:07,719 that's my chief. But here, you know, you got like the 685 00:47:07,800 --> 00:47:12,599 kids screaming, and this was fucking terrifying, like the smoke shooting, the 686 00:47:12,599 --> 00:47:15,840 guy coming in with the fucking baton like this next the trial, like what 687 00:47:15,840 --> 00:47:20,840 are they learning? And there's no trial. You get to learn how to 688 00:47:20,880 --> 00:47:25,079 get the shit kicked out of you. God damn man, I would love 689 00:47:25,880 --> 00:47:31,000 just sit around a campfire and hear Taylor tell Halo stories. I got a 690 00:47:31,039 --> 00:47:36,039 lot the ideal situation for me. I remember reading about that in the Full 691 00:47:36,159 --> 00:47:38,519 Reach, in that story when they when they do that trial. I didn't 692 00:47:38,559 --> 00:47:43,159 realize that that was what this was supposed to be a comparison of, because 693 00:47:43,159 --> 00:47:47,199 it's just obviously so different, and I just don't know what the objective is 694 00:47:47,239 --> 00:47:50,480 like, it just doesn't make sense to me. There's no objective. I 695 00:47:50,519 --> 00:47:52,719 mean, at least the other stuff they have objectives, but this no. 696 00:47:52,880 --> 00:47:58,280 You literally just stand in arena like it's it's like playing like Friday thirteenth or 697 00:47:58,679 --> 00:48:01,880 Dead by Daylight or something. You just gotta like avoid getting hunted and shit 698 00:48:01,960 --> 00:48:13,280 kicked out of you Bytors. What are we supposed to be doing? You 699 00:48:13,360 --> 00:48:17,039 got the cob from Last Trials coming in with the shots locking random doors. 700 00:48:19,320 --> 00:48:25,920 Oh my god, that's hilarious. Anything else on sore and I's gonna actually 701 00:48:25,960 --> 00:48:30,960 go elsewhere? Uh. Something that I thought was pretty interesting actually here, 702 00:48:31,039 --> 00:48:39,920 which what was going on between Halsey, Miranda and Kwan and the Forerunner stuff 703 00:48:39,920 --> 00:48:45,760 and the Forerunner aspect of the show has been interesting, I feel like because 704 00:48:45,800 --> 00:48:49,880 of I mean, you know, I played Halo, but not like all 705 00:48:49,960 --> 00:48:53,039 of the Halo's very fuzzy with like some of the lore when it comes to 706 00:48:53,119 --> 00:48:57,800 Halo, especially what goes on with Forerunner and like the flood, Like there's 707 00:48:57,800 --> 00:49:00,599 certain story elements that I just don't know too much about. So the way 708 00:49:00,639 --> 00:49:06,000 that they've kind of been tackling the Forerunner stuff in this show, it's been 709 00:49:06,039 --> 00:49:08,800 pretty minimal for the most part. This one I think is the most important 710 00:49:08,800 --> 00:49:14,880 of it because they actually see like a like a fallen fore Runner person, 711 00:49:15,000 --> 00:49:17,599 like a scientist, where they discover their lab. And of course you got 712 00:49:17,639 --> 00:49:22,440 like the light bridge, which is just such an iconic imagery I think in 713 00:49:22,440 --> 00:49:25,480 the Halo world, activating those so you can drive over on your Warhog in 714 00:49:25,519 --> 00:49:29,760 the games. But I thought all of that stuff was really interesting, and 715 00:49:29,840 --> 00:49:32,159 I really had no idea what was gonna be going on when they open up 716 00:49:32,159 --> 00:49:36,480 that door. All the lab stuff I thought was interesting, and then when 717 00:49:36,519 --> 00:49:37,480 you see the whole city kind of light up, I thought that was a 718 00:49:37,519 --> 00:49:40,519 really cool image. I was pretty bummed it just like went away like that. 719 00:49:40,639 --> 00:49:45,800 It was almost like I was watching like an Indiana Jones Crystal Skull type 720 00:49:45,840 --> 00:49:49,360 thing, where like they get a glimpse of something really cool and then it's 721 00:49:49,400 --> 00:49:53,920 just it's gone and like an instant, and I mean, yeah, like, 722 00:49:54,480 --> 00:49:57,079 what are you guys thoughts on that? And then I guess I was 723 00:49:57,079 --> 00:50:00,000 gonna ask, like, what's the threat that's coming the well? No, 724 00:50:00,079 --> 00:50:04,320 I think in terms of topics, I think we saved the best for last 725 00:50:04,400 --> 00:50:07,559 year. I really enjoyed this whole sequence. Honestly, I thought it was 726 00:50:07,559 --> 00:50:13,239 really great to going back, We've said this before, but like Halsey, 727 00:50:13,239 --> 00:50:16,679 I think probably the best actress in this show. I've always thought Miranda was 728 00:50:16,679 --> 00:50:21,599 great, especially in season one, so to have the two of them going 729 00:50:21,639 --> 00:50:24,760 off here and then Kwan, I like the start of her story this season, 730 00:50:24,800 --> 00:50:28,440 and then there was a couple episodes there I'm like, I don't think 731 00:50:28,440 --> 00:50:30,000 I'm liking this anymore. But I think once again, we've got to a 732 00:50:30,039 --> 00:50:35,360 point that's pretty interesting of it. But yeah, just the whole conversation they're 733 00:50:35,400 --> 00:50:42,599 having here of this place that they've been studying, being both just like is 734 00:50:42,960 --> 00:50:45,840 it science based or is it like religion based? And you have Halsey and 735 00:50:45,880 --> 00:50:51,280 Miranda who are on the side of Like I guess Halsey's more like deep science, 736 00:50:51,400 --> 00:50:54,280 Quan's like full alignment on the religion side of things. Miranda's like kind 737 00:50:54,280 --> 00:50:58,159 of somewhere in the middle, since she's been here more recently and exploring and 738 00:50:58,199 --> 00:51:00,639 figuring out some of these things, and so you kind of the fun dynamics 739 00:51:00,639 --> 00:51:05,760 there of them figuring everything out, and I really liked that. Just felt 740 00:51:05,800 --> 00:51:08,239 like a very video gaming type of puzzle of like picking up these stars and 741 00:51:08,239 --> 00:51:12,079 then like moving them on a map to like figure out what's going on here. 742 00:51:12,440 --> 00:51:15,599 That that was a really fun sequence. Obviously, it's kind of what 743 00:51:15,599 --> 00:51:19,079 we got with with Kwan and having those kind of dream sequences was leading into 744 00:51:19,079 --> 00:51:22,239 that. So I really have no theory on what the hell is going on 745 00:51:22,320 --> 00:51:25,679 there. Maybe it is some sort of religious experience. That's what I'm led 746 00:51:25,719 --> 00:51:30,159 to believe, some sort of spiritual thing going on there. But yeah, 747 00:51:30,280 --> 00:51:35,440 just in general, like one of the lines of dialogue that I really enjoyed 748 00:51:36,079 --> 00:51:39,880 was Miranda was saying that while she was here doing these investigations, doing the 749 00:51:39,920 --> 00:51:45,679 science, all these experiments and going through Halsey's old notes, she just felt 750 00:51:45,679 --> 00:51:50,000 like she was getting to know who Halsey was at that point in her life 751 00:51:50,039 --> 00:51:53,320 and that was kind of parallel to where she is currently and finding this like 752 00:51:53,320 --> 00:51:58,639 a mutual point between them where they've had all these differences in the past, 753 00:51:58,679 --> 00:52:01,280 but Miranda and doing these experiments, is realized just how similar they are. 754 00:52:01,639 --> 00:52:06,199 And Halsey now being in this situation, I think, being stripped of everything 755 00:52:06,199 --> 00:52:08,679 that she had on reach and all the things that she was in control of 756 00:52:08,719 --> 00:52:13,119 and just being brought back to this place where she was maybe a different person, 757 00:52:13,519 --> 00:52:16,000 and they're just like bonding over this in a way that felt really genuine, 758 00:52:16,000 --> 00:52:20,199 and we haven't really had from them in this show. They've felt like 759 00:52:20,199 --> 00:52:24,000 a very weird mother daughter bond, right, because they don't really have much 760 00:52:24,039 --> 00:52:28,559 of a bond. So I thought everything here was really great, really great 761 00:52:28,599 --> 00:52:30,880 dialogue, good acting, and then like I guess this really is the only 762 00:52:30,920 --> 00:52:35,440 action sort of sequence ish of the episode when they go across the bridge, 763 00:52:35,480 --> 00:52:37,679 they go into this lab and then like having a run back out, and 764 00:52:37,760 --> 00:52:40,280 I really enjoyed all that stuff too. Like he was saying, all the 765 00:52:40,280 --> 00:52:45,039 fore Runner tech was really really fun to see seeing like that scientist kind of 766 00:52:45,079 --> 00:52:50,800 just curled up in a ball aged there, everything cracking down seeing this like 767 00:52:51,159 --> 00:52:53,960 old ancient lab. I had such a great time with this whole sequence. 768 00:52:53,960 --> 00:53:00,159 I thought it was just excellent. Yeah, this whole whole part of the 769 00:53:00,159 --> 00:53:06,519 episode. I really really enjoyed it. There was one moment that made me, 770 00:53:06,920 --> 00:53:08,280 I'm not gonna say goosebumps, but it's had chills. I was like, 771 00:53:08,320 --> 00:53:12,960 Oh, this is fucking terrifying. And I loved it. I really 772 00:53:13,039 --> 00:53:17,960 really loved it. The the fore Hunner tech was great. Seeing the fore 773 00:53:19,000 --> 00:53:22,519 Runner body in there was was interesting. I wasn't expecting that to be hones 774 00:53:22,559 --> 00:53:27,360 it ever been done like in the games, like do you see a Forerunner 775 00:53:27,400 --> 00:53:30,840 individual? Mm hm, oh you do? Okay? In Halo Halo's Wonder 776 00:53:30,880 --> 00:53:37,719 three, you don't Halo four and onwards you you'll see four Runners. Seeing 777 00:53:38,280 --> 00:53:40,840 seeing a four Runner here was it was just it was interesting and I wasn't 778 00:53:40,880 --> 00:53:45,039 expecting it. When the doors opened up, I at this point with them 779 00:53:45,119 --> 00:53:47,239 doing all their crazy shit, I thought that we're gonna see like flood start 780 00:53:47,280 --> 00:53:52,599 pouring out or something like that, especially when we see the vials and everything. 781 00:53:52,079 --> 00:53:58,719 But I like that it's a scientist. I like that Miranda grabbed the 782 00:53:58,719 --> 00:54:00,960 the notes or the information that we're gonna find out about that the scientist was 783 00:54:01,000 --> 00:54:05,159 holding onto. I think that was pretty cool and I'm interested to see what 784 00:54:05,199 --> 00:54:07,559 that is about. And if I had to guess, it is the flood. 785 00:54:07,239 --> 00:54:12,440 And here's before I get into more about the flood. Everything with Kwan, 786 00:54:12,599 --> 00:54:15,079 just kind of like remembering how like what she saw in like cave markings 787 00:54:15,119 --> 00:54:20,840 to put stuff like wherever. That was very fucking flukey. Thank god that 788 00:54:21,119 --> 00:54:28,239 halls there, because that's, yeah, that's insanely lucky. So we see 789 00:54:28,760 --> 00:54:31,159 it's it's a clock, but we see it's it is legitimately like all star 790 00:54:31,239 --> 00:54:37,880 systems and solar systems and whatnot. And so the interesting thing here is when 791 00:54:37,239 --> 00:54:42,960 they're leaving that vault, that lab, and when they get out, they 792 00:54:43,000 --> 00:54:45,320 see everything's turning red, and Halsey's like, oh, look at it's their 793 00:54:45,400 --> 00:54:51,760 history, their expansion and their growth, right or they they're taken over the 794 00:54:51,760 --> 00:54:54,400 stars their empire. That's not what it is. And this is the part 795 00:54:54,440 --> 00:54:57,840 that really gave me like the chills, like, oh, fuck, I 796 00:54:57,880 --> 00:55:00,239 know exactly what this is. And this this is the laboratory. This is 797 00:55:00,320 --> 00:55:05,519 a laboratory. The red is the infected planets. This is the flood spreading, 798 00:55:05,599 --> 00:55:07,639 and I thought, man, this is absolutely terrifying. I love this. 799 00:55:08,079 --> 00:55:12,639 The thing that I laughed was because Kwan was like, oh the growth. 800 00:55:12,960 --> 00:55:15,400 So she has some pre existing knowledge on this, but she's fucking gone. 801 00:55:15,400 --> 00:55:19,079 She's still in those caves. Everyone else fucked off and she's still running 802 00:55:19,079 --> 00:55:23,000 around down there, like what happened to her character. Hopefully they send someone 803 00:55:23,039 --> 00:55:27,000 down to fetch her because she's gonna get lost or something down there. She's 804 00:55:27,039 --> 00:55:35,599 running around, But that chap from the Mummy, the guy gets eaten by 805 00:55:35,599 --> 00:55:42,559 those scare of beetle things. Oh yeah, yeah. Uh So her pre 806 00:55:42,599 --> 00:55:47,159 existing knowledge, that's that has me very curious. Now as we know, 807 00:55:47,559 --> 00:55:52,679 all the halo rings have flood on them. Replacement halo rings were destroyed ones 808 00:55:53,199 --> 00:55:58,239 destroyed installations, those don't have flood on them. But the flood does exist 809 00:55:58,280 --> 00:56:04,119 on other four inner planets as well. When they're just their basic spore forms, 810 00:56:04,159 --> 00:56:07,360 they don't have much going on for them, but they have to spread, 811 00:56:07,360 --> 00:56:08,760 they have to take over more masks, and once they take over more 812 00:56:08,760 --> 00:56:12,880 mass, they'll form a proto grave mind and that'll form into a full grave 813 00:56:13,000 --> 00:56:16,639 mind, and that creates the cohesive consciousness that can kind of control all the 814 00:56:17,039 --> 00:56:23,400 sentient nearby flood entities and then they can start taking over get smarter. The 815 00:56:23,400 --> 00:56:29,400 more beings they absorb, the more smarter it becomes. So whatever flood exists, 816 00:56:29,400 --> 00:56:32,719 it's just spores or whatnot. But that cave marking that looks like a 817 00:56:32,719 --> 00:56:37,960 big scary face, obviously it means that they've they must have faced something unmadrigal. 818 00:56:38,239 --> 00:56:42,559 And so with flood existing outside of just the Halo Rings, at least 819 00:56:42,559 --> 00:56:49,360 in the games lore, I'm curious what that backstory is now. Obviously Miranda 820 00:56:49,440 --> 00:56:52,039 Keys is going to find something on this data. I'm sure about the Halo 821 00:56:52,159 --> 00:56:57,239 Ring, the planned Paragossi's plan is not going to work. They're not going 822 00:56:57,320 --> 00:57:00,159 to blow up the whole Solar system, destroying the fleet and the Halo Ring. 823 00:57:00,280 --> 00:57:01,880 Chief's gonna get to the Halo and we're gonna have the Covenant down there 824 00:57:01,920 --> 00:57:06,760 too. So it'll be interesting to see, I guess, in season three 825 00:57:06,800 --> 00:57:08,079 when the flood finally arrives. But I feel like this is a pretty good 826 00:57:08,079 --> 00:57:13,280 foreshadows to what's to come. Maybe we even get like an end credit scene 827 00:57:13,519 --> 00:57:16,360 in the season finale, a flood score or something like that, just to 828 00:57:16,400 --> 00:57:21,679 really kind of like rope people in and that would definitely sucker me in to 829 00:57:21,719 --> 00:57:24,679 see some flood, right stuff. Yeah, I'm trying to remember how if 830 00:57:24,679 --> 00:57:29,039 there was a post credit or like how Cliffhangary the ending of season one is. 831 00:57:29,079 --> 00:57:35,280 I can't remember what the last scene was. I don't remember. Let's 832 00:57:35,320 --> 00:57:37,280 see, because we don't we still to this point, I don't have a 833 00:57:37,280 --> 00:57:42,800 confirmation if we're getting there with the third season. That was when Courtana right 834 00:57:43,119 --> 00:57:46,679 like like knocked out Chief and then he was like cal my atost, wasn't 835 00:57:46,679 --> 00:57:50,000 he? And then like, wasn't that the start of this season that he's 836 00:57:50,079 --> 00:57:53,079 like frozen still? And then it starts with that that I thought was a 837 00:57:53,079 --> 00:57:58,679 flashback. Maybe not. I don't know, Maybe I misremember started because he 838 00:57:58,760 --> 00:58:00,519 was on the planet right with the the religious people that wanted to die, 839 00:58:00,559 --> 00:58:05,000 and but like it was that moment of like shut him down, shut him 840 00:58:05,039 --> 00:58:13,639 down, cheese and he's like completely frozen. Yeah, Boot forgot one other 841 00:58:13,639 --> 00:58:17,280 thing from that from that sequence. You know, I think in a lesser 842 00:58:17,360 --> 00:58:24,000 episode or with lesser actors, this sequence would have been cheesy. The dialogue 843 00:58:24,000 --> 00:58:27,719 definitely could be, but the moment when they're on the bridge and they they 844 00:58:27,800 --> 00:58:30,679 really got to get out here because this place is crumbling. But Halsey is 845 00:58:30,719 --> 00:58:34,400 just so in, like she's so enthralled by everything she's seen, the cities 846 00:58:35,039 --> 00:58:37,039 that are kind of below them, so she doesn't want to leave, and 847 00:58:37,440 --> 00:58:43,000 Miranda eventually calls her mom and that's what like grabs her attention. I thought 848 00:58:43,039 --> 00:58:45,280 that was really sweet and wholesome. And I think that's a very easy thing 849 00:58:45,719 --> 00:58:50,559 for them to flub and for it to feel goofy or cheesy, but I 850 00:58:50,559 --> 00:58:52,719 think they did a good job with it and it was nice heartwarming moment. 851 00:58:54,159 --> 00:59:00,679 I agree. I agree with that they were talking about DNA, and this 852 00:59:00,719 --> 00:59:05,000 is what I alluded to earlier, how when Miranda questioned Halsey and she said, 853 00:59:05,039 --> 00:59:09,639 we found DNA originally, and that same DNA was kind of like we 854 00:59:09,639 --> 00:59:13,679 found human and we found their DNA. And the thing with the Forerunners is 855 00:59:13,719 --> 00:59:17,400 the mantle responsibility. They basically were overseers of the universe and just trying to 856 00:59:17,480 --> 00:59:22,639 keep things in line, keep things safe, and so they when they were 857 00:59:22,679 --> 00:59:25,840 treated and they retired, basically that mantles passed on to humanity. That's why 858 00:59:25,920 --> 00:59:31,639 humanity can activate Forehunner technology. So you have it weird here because it seems 859 00:59:31,639 --> 00:59:35,760 like only some humans can activate foreigner technology. And so the thing when they 860 00:59:35,800 --> 00:59:39,159 found that foreigner DNA, they were looking for that DNA in children, and 861 00:59:39,199 --> 00:59:44,760 that children is who the Spartans became when they kidnap those kids. And that's 862 00:59:44,760 --> 00:59:49,400 interesting, but that's not necessarily how the lore goes, because all humans can 863 00:59:49,440 --> 00:59:54,599 activate foreigner tech and the lore, and you have spartans that were just peak 864 00:59:54,760 --> 00:59:59,480 of their gene pool because humanity was able to expand and thrive and grow and 865 00:59:59,519 --> 01:00:01,599 grow and grow, went through observations. They were just picked because they peak 866 01:00:01,679 --> 01:00:07,599 at what they do. And so it's also not it's not completely out of 867 01:00:07,639 --> 01:00:10,800 touch with the fact that, Okay, the forerunners did put their DNA and 868 01:00:10,840 --> 01:00:15,119 mingled it with humans, because there's a foreigner called the Librarian who added basically 869 01:00:15,159 --> 01:00:22,239 like accelerators into humanity to allow humanity to excel technologically further and further and further 870 01:00:22,320 --> 01:00:24,480 to get to the point where they're supposed to be a Spartan, because the 871 01:00:24,519 --> 01:00:28,039 Spartan is where they're supposed to be, like peak. So there are some 872 01:00:28,119 --> 01:00:30,719 things that they pulled and they were kind of mingling around, which I can 873 01:00:30,000 --> 01:00:37,480 understand and appreciate a little bit as it is convoluted. So that's kind of 874 01:00:37,519 --> 01:00:40,599 where that the whole DNA talk was kind of coming from when they were talking 875 01:00:40,599 --> 01:00:46,800 about that. If that makes sense, Yeah, that's cool. But I 876 01:00:46,800 --> 01:00:55,840 think that's all my notes mean as well. Yep, I'm exhausted. Well 877 01:00:57,480 --> 01:00:59,760 uh yeah, unless you guys have any last one of things to say. 878 01:00:59,800 --> 01:01:02,280 I think think next episode hopefully should be a banger. I just I want 879 01:01:02,320 --> 01:01:05,760 to see the whole human fleet, the Covenant fleet. I want to see 880 01:01:06,159 --> 01:01:10,559 Chief's fleet. Just everyone just go to towns chiefs cheeks. Yeah, hopefully. 881 01:01:10,760 --> 01:01:15,000 How much How much helmet action are we getting? You think you think 882 01:01:15,000 --> 01:01:17,800 it's on for like a minute, then he just pops it off less than 883 01:01:17,800 --> 01:01:22,480 two minutes? Yeah, less than two less than two minutes. Yeah. 884 01:01:22,559 --> 01:01:24,559 Do you think do you think Paragossi's gonna die? Do you think anyone's gonna 885 01:01:24,559 --> 01:01:30,000 die? Get? Yeah, let's let's do it. Let's go with Paragossis 886 01:01:30,039 --> 01:01:37,039 down. Finale, Lucky bite the bullet, him and Laila can live. 887 01:01:37,119 --> 01:01:39,880 That's fine, But finale he's going to be Parangosky just like corrupted by the 888 01:01:39,880 --> 01:01:43,880 flood, and then she's the main villain of the next season. Wow, 889 01:01:45,400 --> 01:01:49,800 I mean they well, that's what Keys was supposed to be, but they 890 01:01:49,880 --> 01:01:52,760 changed that. Pargoski will just put ever saw the body, maybe he didn't 891 01:01:52,760 --> 01:01:57,079 get lit up. You never Yeah, that's exactly. You don't see, 892 01:01:57,239 --> 01:02:00,000 you don't see the death. Then they're still alive because I've come to learn. 893 01:02:01,480 --> 01:02:04,920 Oh anyways, let's get out of here. I'll be back next week. 894 01:02:05,239 --> 01:02:09,960 Have a good night everyone, Bye bye bye mhm