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Third and three from midfield, Broncos
again with three receivers out. McCaffrey in

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motion on the left side as Lway
with a long snap count. It's on

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his way. Davis handoff first down
Terrell Davis A forty five Holy oh,

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look out, goodbye TD for TD. Fifty yards on the kerry for Terrell

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Davis. He is greeted by some
happy teammates who are a salerting him in

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the end zone. Welcome back to
it, Broncos country tonight. Benjamin Albright,

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Nick Ferguson, Grant Smith here with
you. You're gonna go right out

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to the KWA Common Spirit off hotline
number thirty in your programs, number one

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in your heart. Bring on Hall
of Fame running back Torel Davis TD.

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How you doing, baby, what's
going on? I'm doing doing pretty well,

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man, doing pretty well. Good
to hear your voice. We're uh.

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We've been having a lot of discussion
about these Denver Broncos these days and

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the direction that they're headed, and
I just wanted to start off by getting

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your general thoughts about the state of
the team now in the direction that it

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could be heading. I don't think
it's a secret man I think we all

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kind of you know, you should
be cleared. Yeah, I think we

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all kind of feel the same way. You know, it's been rough the

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last eight years, I believe,
so you know, you let you bring

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in Sean, you know, Peyton
comes in, and I believe he's the

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man. I think he's gonna do
what what's necessary to get this team turned

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around. I mean, you know, it's been, it's been. It's

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been a while. You know,
obviously as the Broncos, you know,

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not only a fan, but as
you know, former player, it kind

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of it hurts a little bit to
kind of see the team struggling the last

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couple of years. And I was
a disappointment and Russell coming over and not

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not panting out. I rooted for
him to be the answer for us.

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It wasn't. So now it's time
to turn the page. And and if

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I'm a team, if I'm a
player on that team, it's more like,

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hey, man, you know,
we certainly need to find that guy,

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whether he's in the draft, and
I pray that there's a guy that

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Sean loves that he wants to either
move up for or has his eyes on,

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that he can bring in that fits
what he's looking for. I'm not

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saying going to reach for any quarterback, but you got to find that signal

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caller. That's just a bottom mind. You got to find one. You

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gotta get somebody in here who can
stabilize this program and then try to get

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this thing rebuilt and see what happens
from there. Man. But it's a

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tall task. It's not gonna be
easy. I think we've got to be

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patient because it's not gonna happen overnight. You know, Rebuilding the program is

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not not easy, trying to get
all the pieces that you need in to

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get this thing going. So you
know, I'm like everybody else, I'm

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anxious to see what happens in about
two weeks. I believe that's one of

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the draft is. Yeah, you
curious all that stuff, and uh,

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you know too that happens, man. But every single year we have so

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much talk about the quarterback position and
and that that's great. You know,

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yeah, you need one of those
guys. But I feel, especially being

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a defensive guy and having to stop
running backs, we keep saying that the

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valuing of the running back position.
But I want you to tell the listeners,

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why is it that having a great
running game is kind of like the

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best medicine for any quarterback that you
have. No it is it is,

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Nick, I mean, it's the
obvious. Well maybe it's not obvious,

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but I also think that it's tough
when you don't have that quarterback you know,

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running running back is he really is
a quarterback best friend, you know,

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and he's a defensive you know,
defense of player's best friend and all

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the you know, he can can
really bring a lot of value to a

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team. But the challenge with running
back in today's football, it's it's there's

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a number of challenges. Number one, when do you ever practice running the

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football? You can't do it,
Nick, when you play, you know

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how it is, man, you
can't simulate running the ball. You have

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to put pads on. You have
to get lineman actually hitting. They don't

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do that anymore. So that's the
problem. The other thing is that most

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linemen aren't built now to run block. They're all pass blockers. When they

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come from college, they're all in
two point fans. So you have to

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really commit on a whole different level
if you want to bring in and have

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a sustainable run game. It's just
a different mindset for a team and a

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lot of you know, I guess
the other I mean, another point I

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would to make is that a lot
of coordinators aren't getting head coaching jobs because

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they got a great run game.
They're trying to get you know, five

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wide. They want to throw the
ball forty times a game. They want

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to show how dynamic their passing game
is, they want to show how creative

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they are, and you know,
getting the ball downfield. So it's not

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as the part of the game to
have a running game when I but I

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know, believe me, I know
the value of having a running game.

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But it does require you to go
all in with all different positions and kind

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of change the whole dynamics of your
team. And I don't think a lot

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of coaches or gms or the presidents
or owners are that's not effected them anymore.

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You know, the Niners do it. They did a really good job

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with that. But if you see
how they do it in San Francisco with

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you know, Kyle, it's it's
Christian, but it's also you know,

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it's it's receivers getting getting involved and
everybody's involved. There's a lot of eye

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candy, a lot of misdirections,
just you know, deceptive kind of concepts.

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But yeah, I don't know,
man, It's just it's a different

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game. It's a different game.
But I certainly do believe that you need

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a running back. But maybe you're
insinuating build build a running game and then

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for the quarterback in this which is
what you're saying, is what I'm hearing.

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Well, for me, I know
the value of that the running back

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position. But I look to San
Francisco as being one of those teams like

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they didn't go get a first round
draft choice, but they have a combatant

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signal caller and they just kind of
build around that guy and they were successful.

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And I think that that's the idea
of model. Yeah. No,

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I think there's two philosophies. If
you want to take the appost right,

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there's one where you build everything around
until you find that quarterback, and that's

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that's what the forty nine ers have
done. And the other philosophy is we're

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gonna we're gonna get a quarterback and
build around him. But well, here's

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what I'm saying. I'm standing that
if Sean, if he likes the guy,

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he loves a quarterback in this draft, and he said that's my guy,

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then I hope he gets that guy. But if he does and he's

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just getting a quarterback to grab one, then obviously I'm not. I don't

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think that's the route you should go, you know. I'm trying that he

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loves somebody and that we don't know
about it. They had us. He

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has his eyes on that, and
he's saying, this is my guy.

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I'm going to go get him.
And that's where I feel like he's going

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to be the guy that that fits
what I'm looking for. It's either that

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or you just don't. Yeah,
I'm with you. I don't. I

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don't believe you got to reach for
a guy just because you need one.

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I don't believe in that either.
But I also just believe that I hope.

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I'm hoping that behind the scenes that
it's either I don't know, you

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know what, I heard a lot
of rumors about Bowenicks being the guy that

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he likes. I don't know if
McCarthy's going to be there when when we

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pick at twelve or if they move
up or Michael Pennix. I don't I'm

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not sure what, you know,
who he has his eyes on, But

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I do hope that he likes somebody. I hope that he knows not they

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like, hope he loves one of
his quarterbacks. But if not, then

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I'm with you, man, Let's
trade down, Let's get some value,

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Let's build a roster around. Let's
build a roster and then, you know,

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be a little bit more strategic,
you know, strategic about a quarterback

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down the line. But man,
it's your looks. It don't look good

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right now. You know, when
you don't have anybody that you really like,

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who really makes you excited about this
franchise, that terms the quarterback position.

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And that's what I'm saying. I'm
saying you and we know who drives

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at the end of the day,
who drives you're really getting your team into

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a position to make that run.
You got to have a quarterback. Yeah,

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I would agree, and I think
I agree on just about every point

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there. And in the sense that
if you love somebody, go get him.

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If you don't, then don't don't
force it. Uh, don't don't

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tie yourself to somebody just to tie
yourself to somebody. That's how you wind

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up with the packs and Lynch type
situation as well. I've been, you

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know, an advocate of if the
quarterback isn't there if you can't get the

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guy you love, whatever, build
a bully. It's been a long time

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since a Denver bronclear hearing the highlights, you know, coming in before we

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brought you on, you know,
hearing the highlights and everything. It reminds

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me back before I lived in Denver, when everybody viewed the Denver Broncos as

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a bully. And I've been here
since twenty twelve. I mean, you

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know, Peyton and then put up
a lot of points, but it was

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the last time the Denver Broncos were
a bully. And I feel like that

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that a return to that, a
return to the culture and the roots of

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what made the Broncos the Broncos are
the best thing in this case? Or

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am I? Am I way off
face here? No no, no,

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no, no, you're not.
You're not You're not, bitch. But

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I And so when you say that, it's so you're saying build an office

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blind right, You're saying I don't
believe you're saying, God, go get

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a fullback. I'm not advocating for
taking a full back necessarily, but I'm

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not saying the offense could use one. But maybe you are. But maybe

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I don't know. But to me
that that that's a bully. Right when

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you start getting throwbacks and you say, all right, we're gonna get an

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old line, we don't get ourselves
a of And most people don't even know

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what a fullback is, probably,
ladies and gentlemen, is a guy that

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lines up in the back here right
running Okay, he waits anywhere between two

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hundred and twenty five to two hundred
and sixty pounds. Okay. The guy

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Nick Ferguson still has nightmares about yeah, yeah, wow, yeah, where's

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the next he wears the next role
like are around his neck? Okay.

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He's very squatty, He's very thousand
squatty, and he's all he does.

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His whole job is to run up
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linemen you know, doesn't matter tackles. That's his job. It's just to

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commit that act of just violence and
clearing the past. But are running back

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if you want to bring him back, we can do that too. You're

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talking about double up on tight end
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Ain't some of the guys who are
you know, hybrids who look like look

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like receivers, but the tight ends. No, we're not. We're not

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talking about those guys. We're talking
about some some some tight ends who look

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like left tackles. Yeah, that's
bullyball. Yes, if you if you're

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talking about that. This again,
it's just it's a different era and are

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those guys out there. I just
don't even know if they exist anymore.

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But if you, if you decide
to play a little different football, I

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think you'll have success doing it because
that's style of football. It definitely works.

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It's just again, how much are
you practicing it? Now? You

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have to go get them. You
have to go get personnel that fits what

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you want to do, and you
got to be committed to it. You

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know, you can't say all right, we're going to play bullyball and then

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we're halfway in and the mindset of
the players don't fit what you what you

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want to do. So, I
mean, it's it's not it's not simple.

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I think it's little. It's it's
complicated. But yeah, man,

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I'm I'm just I just want to
see what happens. I want to see

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how how these next couple of weeks
ago in terms of, you know,

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kind of restocking this roster and see
what direction we want to go as a

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guy who has a gold jacket.
My biggest thing in one of the things

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that comes comes up a lot,
and I get frustrated. You know,

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every single year it's a guy that
both you and I played for, even

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though we didn't play it at the
same time, but we played for him.

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Mike Shanahan, what the hell needs
to be done to get this guy

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his moment, his flowers, his
gold jacket. Well, who do we

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need to talk to? Man?
That's the dude. That's another something that's

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to crack. That's a tough one. Man. There is there is like

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there's not one person you need to
talk to. I think there's a room

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of people you need to talk to, and they're all the voters. They

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I believe there's forty something. Don't
quote me on this one, but I

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believe there's about forty something voters.
I know each team has a represent or

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of that vote, and then it's
probably a couple of other couple of other

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voters as well. But now I'm
with you, man, I think I

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think for a long time, the
first hurdle from Mike was that, Remember,

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Mike wasn't even in the Ring of
Fame here in Denver, and I

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think that that kind of hurt him
a little bit early on, where people

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are like, wait a minute,
Denver doesn't even put him in a Ring

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of fame, So why are we
gonna put him in the Hall of Fame?

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And so now that he's in,
and I know he's getting a little

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bit more traction now, but yeah, Mike two super Bowls. You know,

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we've always said this man in Denver, was any any city that was

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on the West coast, in la
or in New York, we have more

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people in the Hall of Fame,
Mike would be in. And so now

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we were getting them. Randy's in, so that's that's awesome. We're starting

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to get more more Broncos in.
But yeah, man, Mike might have

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to be the next one to get
to Hall of Fame. His resume is

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you know, you put his up
against a lot of other coaches who are

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in. It's clearly that that he
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start to seeing what Kylin's doing.
You see these other quarterbacks doing on the

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floor. I mean all these quarters
actually kind of spun off of the Shanahan

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tree. I'm not quarterback, I'm
s our coaches first spun off the San

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Shanahan tree, you kind of see
Mike genius and how great he was as

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a coach. He was the best
coach I've ever played for by far,

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and I ended up I played for
another Hall of Fame coach and George Allen.

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People. Most people don't even know
that in college, but Mike was

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my my best Uh it was my
best coach, my favorite coach, just

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because his coaching style was more of
a teacher and he understood the nuances of

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the game. He was more Everything
he did for us was like the why.

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It wasn't just I'm telling you to
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He was like, all right,
here's why I'm telling you that. And

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just he had he made you think
differently when you played this game. And

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uh, you know, we won
forty six games in a three years span,

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two Super Bowls, and you know
we won fourteen you know, I'm

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fourteen eighteen straight games. I believe
so and that that is not you know,

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it is not easy to do.
But he just he knew the buttons

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to push and everything. Man.
So yeah, Mike, He's definitely going

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in, hopefully sooner rather than later. Man, But Mike might definitely the

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Hall of Paper. Absolutely, I
think you would be Uh did you you

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know a serious question here, something
that has weighed heavily on the minds of

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I think every listener of the show. If you and and Nick were to

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square up, like pros versus Josh, who would get the better of that

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matchup? And why would you stiff
arm Nick through the earth speaking of pushing

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buttons. Yeah, yeah, yeah, let me see. Well, here's

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the why. Because I wasn't a
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I was one trick pony, but
I think that what allowed me to really

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have success was that I gave you
a whole life. Like I run like

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I'm gonna run you over, but
I had some wiggle. I had them

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with her, so it kind of
kept you on your toes. Like Nick

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might come up thinking I'm gonna run
him over, So now you know he's

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gonna drop his head, come in
low, You're gonna try to take my

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knees out. But yeah, I'm
a blessing. I'm a blessing. I

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get him with the little Henna take
the bait. Nick gonna take the bait.

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I'm gonna go ahead kiss them.
And when I think kiss me putting

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my my you know, palm of
my hand on the back of it and

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just put your head. Wow,
man, gosh. Absolutely, I'm gonna

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get one of these crack animators around
here, the mack this thing out,

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mach this thing. I'll put the
video out there on th TV. Man.

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It's always a pleasure hearing from you. Man. I hope you and

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you're doing well. Thanks for taking
time out of talks with tonight. Hey,

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no problem, that's all right,
y'all. Take it absolutely. Take

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care for all day's Hall of Famer