1 00:01:15,959 --> 00:01:21,040 Good morning, monsters, and happy Monday to everybody out there. I hope 2 00:01:21,079 --> 00:01:23,560 the world is treating you well today. And uh, I know there's a 3 00:01:23,560 --> 00:01:27,400 lot of hurricanes and stuff happening out there on the coast, so I hope 4 00:01:27,439 --> 00:01:33,680 everybody out there is staying safe and dry and uh doing the best that you 5 00:01:33,680 --> 00:01:38,000 guys all can out there. So UH, with that being said, UH, 6 00:01:38,079 --> 00:01:40,920 let's let's move on to what we got here. So, uh, 7 00:01:41,120 --> 00:01:45,959 we got a big weekend coming up here for myself up here in Upper Michigan. 8 00:01:46,159 --> 00:01:49,760 We have an event this weekend, and uh this weekend. Also, 9 00:01:49,760 --> 00:01:53,239 Uh, there's there's a lot of events all of the country, but some 10 00:01:53,280 --> 00:01:57,760 of them you just can't get to. And we got an event coming up 11 00:01:57,760 --> 00:02:00,799 here that is not only an in person event, but it is also a 12 00:02:00,959 --> 00:02:05,760 virtual event. So I want you guys all to go ahead and check this 13 00:02:05,840 --> 00:02:10,120 out. Are you ready to uncover the mysteries of Bigfoot? Join us for 14 00:02:10,120 --> 00:02:15,560 Squatch khn Idaho twenty twenty three. This year, we're bringing the magic directly 15 00:02:15,599 --> 00:02:19,080 to your screen, or join us in person witness the world premiere of the 16 00:02:19,199 --> 00:02:23,840 enhanced Paul Freeman Bigfoot footage. Doug Hicheck discovered a secret within this enhanced video 17 00:02:23,919 --> 00:02:28,560 you'll have to see to believe. Here from an all star panel of Bigfoot 18 00:02:28,599 --> 00:02:32,080 experts like doctor Jeffrey Meldrum, Cliff Barockman, Brian King Sharp, and Michael 19 00:02:32,080 --> 00:02:37,919 Freeman. But that's not all. Get exclusive online bonuses such as Bigfoot themed 20 00:02:37,919 --> 00:02:43,879 wallpapers, a Bigfoot coloring book, an interactive Bigfoot quiz, Squatch Nutfield Guide, 21 00:02:44,080 --> 00:02:47,159 get a copy of the Freeman Bigfoot Files ebook, and more. Whether 22 00:02:47,199 --> 00:02:51,280 you attend in person or watch it live online, you'll be part of an 23 00:02:51,319 --> 00:02:55,560 unforgettable experience. Don't miss out on this unique opportunity. Secure your spot today 24 00:02:57,039 --> 00:03:10,479 Squatch khn Idaho twenty twenty three. Step into the unknown. That's awesome, 25 00:03:10,520 --> 00:03:14,719 guys. If you guys have always wanted to go to a big Foot conference 26 00:03:14,759 --> 00:03:16,199 and never been able to get out there, or they don't come to your 27 00:03:16,240 --> 00:03:21,840 area or so, and so, it's definitely a great opportunity to get to 28 00:03:21,919 --> 00:03:25,439 watch it virtually from the comfort of your own home. So that's awesome. 29 00:03:25,479 --> 00:03:30,879 That's gonna be this weekend. Virtual tickets or in person tickets available now Hanger 30 00:03:30,960 --> 00:03:36,560 one dot com. Guys, If you want to see myself and my team 31 00:03:36,599 --> 00:03:38,280 in person, this weekend, we are going to be at the m I 32 00:03:38,479 --> 00:03:43,800 Paracon in sus Saint Marie, Michigan. There's going to be all kinds of 33 00:03:43,840 --> 00:03:49,759 cool paranormal people there as well as crypti people and all kinds of vendors and 34 00:03:49,960 --> 00:03:53,360 speakers and seminars. So if you guys can come up to Sue Saint Marie 35 00:03:53,599 --> 00:04:00,120 this weekend for m I Paracon, and then guys, in September, we 36 00:04:00,120 --> 00:04:04,360 are going to be at the Great Lakes Paranormal Conference in glenn Bula, Wisconsin. 37 00:04:04,680 --> 00:04:10,520 That is another multi day event there September twenty seconds through the twenty fourth, 38 00:04:11,080 --> 00:04:15,599 and then I'll be doing a presentation at the Kenosha Public Library October sixth 39 00:04:15,199 --> 00:04:23,319 in Kenosha, Wisconsin. Then we go to Milwaukee, Wisconsin October fourteenth for 40 00:04:23,519 --> 00:04:30,839 Milwaukee Parakhn at the Irish Cultural and Heritage Center. And of course then ladies 41 00:04:30,879 --> 00:04:33,839 and gentlemen, we are going to be down at Cryptodcon once again in Lexington, 42 00:04:33,959 --> 00:04:38,759 Kentucky, November eighteenth and nineteenth. 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He is a life long 59 00:06:10,040 --> 00:06:14,839 land surveyor in Oregon and Washington. Born in nineteen sixty six, he became 60 00:06:15,160 --> 00:06:21,000 and enamored with the quest of lost mysteries. While the rediscovery of the nineteen 61 00:06:21,040 --> 00:06:27,959 twenty four eighte Canyon Epe Canyon Cabin is his claim to fame and infinite riches, 62 00:06:28,000 --> 00:06:32,279 he continues to venture into them. I cannot read this morning, into 63 00:06:32,360 --> 00:06:38,639 the mildew and dust of shadowy paper archives in search of long forgotten stories, 64 00:06:39,120 --> 00:06:44,800 taking this evidence to the field to look for physical evidence of the historical monster 65 00:06:44,959 --> 00:06:49,079 attacks. I'm looking forward to this man, all right, So, without 66 00:06:49,120 --> 00:06:56,240 any further ado, please welcome Mark Marcel. How's it going great? Thanks 67 00:06:56,279 --> 00:07:00,279 Barnaby. You should have rehearsed that a couple of times before he introduced me. 68 00:07:01,319 --> 00:07:12,000 I think I gotta say too that with the end with the intro, 69 00:07:12,360 --> 00:07:15,800 Man, you're you're super busy. You're you're all over the place with different 70 00:07:15,800 --> 00:07:20,720 conferences and stuff, And I have to second the emotion on a couple of 71 00:07:20,759 --> 00:07:27,040 things that you announced. If anyone attending virtually is great, but if anybody 72 00:07:27,120 --> 00:07:31,279 can attend a conference like you. You've mentioned the lineup at at the Idaho 73 00:07:31,399 --> 00:07:35,879 gig all great people, all all terrific people, Brian and Cliff and Michael. 74 00:07:36,279 --> 00:07:43,199 I hung out with Michael at Pocatello, Idaho conference last year, I 75 00:07:43,240 --> 00:07:46,879 think, and that's the first time I met him, and just terrific people. 76 00:07:46,959 --> 00:07:49,680 So if you can attend these conferences and just chat with chat with the 77 00:07:49,720 --> 00:07:55,160 guests for a little while, they're a wealth of knowledge beyond what they're just 78 00:07:55,279 --> 00:07:58,079 presenting, you know, on stage. So if you can, if you 79 00:07:58,120 --> 00:08:01,920 can make it, do it. Absolutely. They're all wonderful events. I 80 00:08:01,920 --> 00:08:05,240 mean, we've done so many. This year. We got the opportunity to 81 00:08:05,279 --> 00:08:09,800 be at the Ohio Bigfoot Conference at Salt Forks this year and that was a 82 00:08:09,839 --> 00:08:13,519 great time as well. I've heard great things about that, So definitely definitely 83 00:08:13,560 --> 00:08:18,879 along on going to these things. So okay, cool, Well, it's 84 00:08:18,920 --> 00:08:20,959 absolute pleasure to have you on the show today. I'm looking forward to this 85 00:08:22,360 --> 00:08:26,319 for talking to you. Let's start out a little bit for those of you 86 00:08:26,360 --> 00:08:30,759 who don't know. I mean, I've I've heard the term land surveyor one 87 00:08:30,800 --> 00:08:33,200 hundred times, you know, but can you tell us like what that entails 88 00:08:33,399 --> 00:08:37,799 and how you got into that and stuff and how that's led to what you're 89 00:08:37,840 --> 00:08:41,120 doing now? Oh? Sure, Well, but just a quick primer. 90 00:08:43,480 --> 00:08:46,480 A land surveyor is someone that you call if you don't know where your property 91 00:08:46,480 --> 00:08:52,399 corners are, to have someone come out and determine where your property corners are, 92 00:08:52,600 --> 00:08:56,360 if you need a map of your property, different elevations, if you 93 00:08:56,399 --> 00:09:01,399 need to divide your property, almost anything dealing with in any attractive land that 94 00:09:01,480 --> 00:09:03,600 you own, Uh, that's that's what I do, and that's what I've 95 00:09:03,600 --> 00:09:09,600 been doing all my life. The reason why is my dad was a land 96 00:09:09,639 --> 00:09:13,840 surveyor, and I grew up just with dad being in private practice my entire 97 00:09:13,919 --> 00:09:18,399 life. I think he went into private practice around sixty three. So I 98 00:09:18,480 --> 00:09:22,519 was out in the woods and helping dad, you know, carrying stakes and 99 00:09:22,559 --> 00:09:26,000 cutting brush for fifty cents an hour, you know, when I was a 100 00:09:26,080 --> 00:09:31,360 kid, when I was like eleven or twelve years old. The reason why, 101 00:09:31,559 --> 00:09:35,159 the reason why I bring it up a lot of the time dealing with 102 00:09:35,639 --> 00:09:41,039 dealing with historical monster attacks, and the kind of research that I do is 103 00:09:41,080 --> 00:09:48,559 that when when someone calls me for a boundary survey, or call any land 104 00:09:48,559 --> 00:09:52,840 surveyor, the very first thing that a land surveyor needs to do is a 105 00:09:52,879 --> 00:09:58,919 tremendous amount of document research. You need to find what previous surveyors have done 106 00:10:00,039 --> 00:10:03,600 in the past, what previous landowners have done in the past, and any 107 00:10:03,679 --> 00:10:09,600 anything you can, you know, highway records, land records, railroad records, 108 00:10:09,639 --> 00:10:13,600 anything. And then once you get that treasure trove of document research, 109 00:10:13,960 --> 00:10:20,399 then you have to take that information and try to find the field evidence in 110 00:10:20,440 --> 00:10:24,080 the ground of that. As an example, a surveyor set an iron pipe 111 00:10:24,080 --> 00:10:28,039 in nineteen twenty way out in the woods, and you need to survey too 112 00:10:28,039 --> 00:10:33,600 that. You need to measure too that in order to determine someone else's property 113 00:10:33,600 --> 00:10:37,840 boundaries. Right, So you have to physically go out and find that iron 114 00:10:37,840 --> 00:10:41,399 pipe in the ground and measure to it. Is it the right iron pipe? 115 00:10:41,120 --> 00:10:43,639 Is it not the right iron pipe? It is it gone? Is 116 00:10:43,679 --> 00:10:48,320 there other field evidence of what took place in these previous surveys on the ground? 117 00:10:48,399 --> 00:10:56,240 Right? So the way that that relates to Bigfoot is that I grew 118 00:10:56,399 --> 00:11:01,519 up in sort of this renaissance, if you will, of the of the 119 00:11:01,559 --> 00:11:09,679 early nineteen seventies, mid seventies, of this of this revitalization of the unknown 120 00:11:09,759 --> 00:11:13,080 mysteries of the world, you know, and I ate it all up when 121 00:11:13,120 --> 00:11:16,159 I was a kid, Like lights in the sky, you know, ghosts, 122 00:11:16,240 --> 00:11:20,320 you know, monsters in the woods, you know pyramids, you know, 123 00:11:20,360 --> 00:11:24,639 Atlantis, all that kind of stuff, and I started to I'll, 124 00:11:24,720 --> 00:11:26,799 I've always read a lot about that, which is the best thing that one 125 00:11:26,840 --> 00:11:31,519 can do is to read about it, read about it in a physical book, 126 00:11:31,679 --> 00:11:35,240 you know, because the book is an interactive experience. So I started 127 00:11:35,240 --> 00:11:41,000 reading up on all this and started to come across these strange, strange, 128 00:11:41,000 --> 00:11:46,080 old stories. And it wasn't until I got into adulthood, maybe about fifteen 129 00:11:46,279 --> 00:11:52,519 twenty years ago, where I came across some of these stories. Some of 130 00:11:52,519 --> 00:11:56,559 these stories I've known about pretty much all my life, Pacific Northwest stories, 131 00:11:58,320 --> 00:12:01,440 and I started to think, you know, some of these events took place 132 00:12:03,320 --> 00:12:07,679 many years ago. You know, time is relative. Something that happened in 133 00:12:07,799 --> 00:12:11,639 nineteen sixty one may seem like a long time ago to some people, but 134 00:12:11,720 --> 00:12:18,320 it really isn't. And so the idea of something happening happened one hundred years 135 00:12:18,360 --> 00:12:20,759 ago or two hundred years ago, it's really not that long ago at all. 136 00:12:22,279 --> 00:12:24,679 So on some of these older stories, I started to think, well, 137 00:12:24,679 --> 00:12:31,080 what if there's some sort of physical evidence that could still be remaining regarding 138 00:12:31,120 --> 00:12:37,080 these old stories of these mysteries. And I just ended up taking some of 139 00:12:37,080 --> 00:12:41,840 the well known stories, some of the lesser known stories, and re researching 140 00:12:41,879 --> 00:12:46,240 it, like I had never heard about it before, nobody's ever heard about 141 00:12:46,279 --> 00:12:50,519 it before, gathering as much document evidence as I can, and then seeing 142 00:12:50,639 --> 00:12:56,120 if there's any physical evidence left. And so that's basically one of the first 143 00:12:56,159 --> 00:13:03,000 big ones that I did. What's the nineteen twenty four canyon attack? Awesome? 144 00:13:03,120 --> 00:13:05,919 Awesome? I have been kind of following along on this. I know 145 00:13:07,000 --> 00:13:11,399 you and Cliff had just gone out there recently for the anniversary use the ninety 146 00:13:11,840 --> 00:13:16,080 the anniversary I think it is ninety nine. Yeah, yep, awesome. 147 00:13:16,440 --> 00:13:20,360 Can you give us a little bit of background about the Ape Canyon incident, 148 00:13:20,559 --> 00:13:24,759 why it's important, and the story behind it, and then we can kind 149 00:13:24,759 --> 00:13:28,039 of talk about your work and what you've done with it. Oh sure, 150 00:13:28,159 --> 00:13:33,600 yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. The whole thing started about nineteen eighteen 151 00:13:33,799 --> 00:13:37,039 or so, where there was this group of miners in Kelso Longview, Washington, 152 00:13:37,759 --> 00:13:43,080 which was a pretty burgeoning going milltown. It's it's it's timber, timber 153 00:13:43,120 --> 00:13:48,159 country, and so it's a hot milltown being right on the Columbia River, 154 00:13:48,279 --> 00:13:52,200 so it's good for export. And there are these group of guys almost all 155 00:13:52,279 --> 00:13:58,559 family members. There was a core group of about five men. About a 156 00:13:58,600 --> 00:14:03,200 couple of other folks had helped them off and on. But this the head 157 00:14:03,240 --> 00:14:07,279 of the family was this guy named Marian Smith, and he was about sixty 158 00:14:07,360 --> 00:14:13,600 years old, and he had grown up in the big timber working them and 159 00:14:13,000 --> 00:14:16,759 up on Mount St. Helens. He knew that there was gold up on 160 00:14:16,799 --> 00:14:20,960 the mountain. He wasn't a young buck anymore, so he wasn't like working 161 00:14:22,000 --> 00:14:24,919 hard full time as if he was twenty two years old. And he decided 162 00:14:24,960 --> 00:14:31,120 to start poking his way up along the Lewis River east of Woodland and up 163 00:14:31,120 --> 00:14:33,720 into Mount St. Helens looking for gold. And there are gold claims up 164 00:14:33,759 --> 00:14:39,159 there, a few down lower in lower elevation. They tend to be more 165 00:14:39,240 --> 00:14:43,759 plastic claims of where people are building sluice boxes and that kind of thing. 166 00:14:45,080 --> 00:14:50,399 But he was looking for gold up there. He took along a family friend 167 00:14:50,759 --> 00:14:54,440 named John Peterson, his cousin Gabe la Fever, his son in law Fred 168 00:14:54,440 --> 00:14:58,759 Beck, and then a little bit later took his son Leroy Perry Smith up 169 00:14:58,759 --> 00:15:05,559 there, and after hunting and pecking a little bit, in nineteen twenty two, 170 00:15:05,720 --> 00:15:11,559 they finally laid claim to a mine on a Mount Saint Helen's called the 171 00:15:11,600 --> 00:15:18,399 Vendor White Mine, and this mine was way up there in a very precarious 172 00:15:18,399 --> 00:15:24,440 in a very precarious location. At the time. Really the closest road where 173 00:15:24,440 --> 00:15:28,200 you could park was maybe about five or six miles away. And this is 174 00:15:28,200 --> 00:15:31,240 way up at the timber line of Mount Saint Helen's, like around four thousand, 175 00:15:31,399 --> 00:15:37,759 forty five hundred elevation, and you can only go up there during certain 176 00:15:37,799 --> 00:15:41,360 parts of the year because there's just too much snow in the winter, so 177 00:15:41,360 --> 00:15:45,799 it was kind of a limited time for a working They started working the mine 178 00:15:46,840 --> 00:15:52,840 in twenty two and apparently according to Smith and Fredbeck, the essays were pretty 179 00:15:52,840 --> 00:15:56,240 good. They were getting gold out of this mine. I had talked to 180 00:15:56,279 --> 00:16:02,919 some people before before the mountain erupted. They had seen that mine and it 181 00:16:02,960 --> 00:16:06,559 went in about seventy five feet or so. So these guys were really working 182 00:16:06,600 --> 00:16:11,759 it hard. In the first two years, they were just tent camping on 183 00:16:11,799 --> 00:16:15,399 the other side of Pumis Butte and setting up their tent and bringing in their 184 00:16:15,399 --> 00:16:18,840 stuff every year and going up and over the butte to work the mine. 185 00:16:19,080 --> 00:16:22,480 Well. While they were up there, off and on, they would hear 186 00:16:22,519 --> 00:16:29,879 these high pitched whistling sounds coming from a ridge top at night, and they 187 00:16:29,879 --> 00:16:33,840 didn't know what it was. You got to remember that, especially the older 188 00:16:33,879 --> 00:16:37,440 guys like la Fever and Smith Peterson. These guys had been out in the 189 00:16:37,519 --> 00:16:41,039 woods all of their life and they had seen pretty much everything that there was 190 00:16:41,080 --> 00:16:45,720 to see, but they weren't exactly sure what these sounds were. It wasn't 191 00:16:45,759 --> 00:16:49,000 elk, it wasn't It wasn't not any sound that they had heard before, 192 00:16:49,480 --> 00:16:55,240 particularly since there would be a high pitched whistling sound and then from another ridge 193 00:16:55,240 --> 00:16:57,799 top there would be a response call, and would go back and forth for 194 00:16:57,840 --> 00:17:03,119 a little while at night. At one point in twenty two or twenty three, 195 00:17:03,640 --> 00:17:08,359 Leroy Smith, the youngest, was going to down to a stream, 196 00:17:08,400 --> 00:17:14,680 down to a bit of a sandbar and to scrub out pots and pans, 197 00:17:15,079 --> 00:17:19,119 and he found this very very large human like print in the sand. The 198 00:17:19,119 --> 00:17:22,480 odd thing about it is that it was only a singular print. There wasn't 199 00:17:22,519 --> 00:17:27,839 a trackway leading up to it or bleeding away from it. These sounds were. 200 00:17:27,960 --> 00:17:32,799 These sounds were starting to get kind of a little disturbing, and Smith 201 00:17:32,880 --> 00:17:37,519 had finally ordered the rest of the guys in the camp to not leave. 202 00:17:37,440 --> 00:17:41,119 Nobody leaves the camp without being armed. You know, you need to take 203 00:17:41,119 --> 00:17:45,079 your side arm rifle with you something, because they would hear all these other 204 00:17:45,119 --> 00:17:52,960 strange sounds up there. Despite being a little bit spooked, they decided that 205 00:17:52,000 --> 00:17:56,880 the essays were good enough at the end of nineteen twenty three. When they 206 00:17:56,920 --> 00:18:00,440 returned in the spring of twenty four, they were going to build a cabin 207 00:18:00,279 --> 00:18:03,599 right by the mine in the early spring, and that's what they did, 208 00:18:04,279 --> 00:18:07,519 a cabin to hold their tools a few stores over the winter, so they 209 00:18:07,519 --> 00:18:11,720 didn't have to slept their stuff six miles back and forth every year. So 210 00:18:11,759 --> 00:18:15,559 when they returned in nineteen twenty four, they started building a cabin very close 211 00:18:15,599 --> 00:18:21,000 to the mine. They had blasted out a small shelf and started building a 212 00:18:21,039 --> 00:18:25,440 ten by twenty foot cabin. And it was just before the fourth of July 213 00:18:25,559 --> 00:18:30,240 in nineteen twenty four. They weren't working on the cabin twenty four seven. 214 00:18:30,279 --> 00:18:33,359 They were working it off and on while they were still working on the mine, 215 00:18:33,079 --> 00:18:38,440 and Smith and Beck were going to a nearby spring and to where their 216 00:18:38,480 --> 00:18:44,559 water source was and about seventy five hundred feet from the cabin. And while 217 00:18:44,559 --> 00:18:51,000 they're going down there back seas from behind a cedar tree, this large hair 218 00:18:51,119 --> 00:18:56,359 covered bipedal creature peeking out from behind the tree. Well, the things they 219 00:18:56,400 --> 00:18:57,759 had kind of got keyed up and wound up a little bit. So the 220 00:18:57,799 --> 00:19:02,920 first thing that Fred does is pick three shots at the creature, and the 221 00:19:03,000 --> 00:19:07,599 story was that you could see the bark skinning along the side of the cedar 222 00:19:07,640 --> 00:19:11,640 tree, apparently right into the animal. They go back. They go down 223 00:19:11,680 --> 00:19:14,759 to the tree and there's no animal. There's no blood, there's no hair, 224 00:19:14,880 --> 00:19:18,559 there's no nothing. And they can see going up the other side, 225 00:19:18,640 --> 00:19:22,279 up the draw. They see the creature going up the draw looking behind them 226 00:19:22,279 --> 00:19:26,359 and just keeps on keeps on going. The guys go back to Longview, 227 00:19:26,480 --> 00:19:30,160 Kelso for the fourth of July and they tell their family about it, and 228 00:19:30,480 --> 00:19:37,000 a lot of their friends and family couldn't really kind of square the information about 229 00:19:37,000 --> 00:19:42,440 these large hair ape like creatures up on the mountain, because the beck Smith 230 00:19:42,559 --> 00:19:48,680 family were known to be quite honest, square good guys. But they're coming 231 00:19:48,680 --> 00:19:52,799 down off the mountain with these stories of monsters up there. So they return 232 00:19:52,960 --> 00:19:57,240 to the cabin after the fourth of July, and they were only up there 233 00:19:57,279 --> 00:20:03,720 for about a week because you know, I think things broke loose really really 234 00:20:03,799 --> 00:20:07,359 quickly. The guys were in the mine and Leroy was coming back from the 235 00:20:07,400 --> 00:20:12,559 spring and he hears something rattling in the bushes and he takes this creatures coming 236 00:20:12,599 --> 00:20:18,400 out from the bushes right by the cabin. And you have to realize that 237 00:20:18,440 --> 00:20:22,079 the topography of this cabin site is incredibly steep. I mean it's it's like 238 00:20:22,480 --> 00:20:27,079 incredibly steep, so it's really limited flat area. So I was thinking that 239 00:20:27,720 --> 00:20:32,759 with conditions on the ground today, this creature was only like fifty feet seventy 240 00:20:32,759 --> 00:20:37,200 feet away from him. Takes shots into the creature and the creature just turns 241 00:20:37,240 --> 00:20:42,319 around, goes back into the bush. On Thursday, Thursday, July the 242 00:20:42,319 --> 00:20:47,960 tenth of nineteen twenty four, the guys are in the cabin. LeRoy's coming 243 00:20:48,000 --> 00:20:52,279 back again from the spring and a creature comes out from the bush. Leroy 244 00:20:52,319 --> 00:20:56,599 takes one shot into it. The guys hear the shots and they come out 245 00:20:56,640 --> 00:21:02,119 of the cabin fully armed and they're blasting at this creature. Marian Smith estimated 246 00:21:02,160 --> 00:21:07,400 about sixteen rounds went into this creature and the last shot was taken by Beck 247 00:21:07,920 --> 00:21:10,319 and the creature. It's just right on the edge of the canyon. The 248 00:21:10,359 --> 00:21:14,000 cabin is like right pretty much right on the precipice, going down about two 249 00:21:14,079 --> 00:21:19,680 hundred feet, and Beck took the last shot and the creature either fell or 250 00:21:19,720 --> 00:21:25,799 the creature crouched down and climbed down into the canyon. At that point, 251 00:21:26,079 --> 00:21:30,440 it's getting to be kind of dusk ish that night on Thursday, and the 252 00:21:30,480 --> 00:21:33,359 guys were talking, you know, this is weird. We we got to 253 00:21:33,359 --> 00:21:34,480 get the hell out of here. You know, in the morning, we're 254 00:21:34,480 --> 00:21:40,240 gonna leave. At that point, something very very big and hard hits the 255 00:21:40,319 --> 00:21:45,559 side of the cabin enough to knock out a piece of log chinking between the 256 00:21:45,599 --> 00:21:49,079 logs, and the guys look through the hole and they can see six or 257 00:21:49,160 --> 00:21:53,400 seven of these big, shadowy creatures going around the cabin. The creatures are 258 00:21:53,440 --> 00:21:56,720 starting to get up on the roof, pounding their way in. They're throwing 259 00:21:56,799 --> 00:22:02,359 rocks in there. Later I found out that one of the creatures had been 260 00:22:02,440 --> 00:22:07,079 attempting to dig underneath the foundation, beating on the door. So the guys 261 00:22:07,079 --> 00:22:11,720 started tear apart the bumps and they blockade the door and they start shooting through 262 00:22:11,759 --> 00:22:15,680 the roof. This happens all night long. They build up the fire through 263 00:22:15,680 --> 00:22:18,440 the ventilator cap and they're building up the fire and they're like, please, 264 00:22:18,920 --> 00:22:26,240 please leave us alone. The attack happens all night on the cabin and they're 265 00:22:26,240 --> 00:22:29,759 One of the things is that Beck said later, it's like, you go 266 00:22:29,799 --> 00:22:33,200 away, and we'll go away and we'll all be happy in the morning. 267 00:22:33,400 --> 00:22:40,920 And in the morning sun comes up, it's all quiet, and they open 268 00:22:41,039 --> 00:22:45,279 up the door and the outside is entirely litted, was littered with rocks and 269 00:22:45,319 --> 00:22:51,359 these very very large prints ranging between fourteen to seventeen inches or so, and 270 00:22:51,960 --> 00:22:56,160 it was grab your gun and grab your tobacco, and let's get the hell 271 00:22:56,160 --> 00:22:59,839 out of here. And they walked back to the truck six miles or so. 272 00:23:00,839 --> 00:23:04,240 When they get back into town, they do on that Friday, they 273 00:23:04,279 --> 00:23:07,880 do what I would have done. It's like, I need a drink. 274 00:23:07,359 --> 00:23:14,200 So they went to the local bar called the Bluelocks Tavern, and they on 275 00:23:14,559 --> 00:23:18,160 the walkout, they were saying, don't tell anybody, they're going to think 276 00:23:18,200 --> 00:23:22,400 we're crazy. But how can you not talk about it after such a traumatic 277 00:23:22,480 --> 00:23:27,480 event. So it they talked to the bartender about it, and then word 278 00:23:27,519 --> 00:23:32,920 got out into the newspapers, and we had the associated press wire at that 279 00:23:32,960 --> 00:23:37,119 time in the newspapers, and it just spread like wildfire across across the newspapers. 280 00:23:37,119 --> 00:23:41,799 I found it as far east as Missouri and up into Canada and down 281 00:23:41,839 --> 00:23:45,519 down around San Diego where this story where the story is spread within about three 282 00:23:45,599 --> 00:23:52,519 or four or five days. Wow, that's aggressive, that is that's a 283 00:23:52,640 --> 00:23:59,839 fantastic story. So now going back to what we talked about. First, 284 00:24:00,000 --> 00:24:03,480 you know, with your your history of land surveying and looking up these these 285 00:24:03,519 --> 00:24:07,720 important places, what you have here is an amazing story, you know, 286 00:24:07,880 --> 00:24:12,000 and and it's in the newspaper and it was told and but again, you 287 00:24:12,000 --> 00:24:17,319 know, even if these guys are very reliable, very true, how do 288 00:24:17,400 --> 00:24:21,440 you know that this isn't a fabrication? And then this is where you come 289 00:24:21,480 --> 00:24:26,400 in, is you were actually able to go out and find this location. 290 00:24:26,480 --> 00:24:30,880 Can you tell us how you you found where it was and the things that 291 00:24:30,960 --> 00:24:36,759 led up to that. Well, the fact, the fascinating thing is that 292 00:24:37,680 --> 00:24:41,279 the Ape Kenyon story is sort of like you know, I hate to use 293 00:24:41,359 --> 00:24:45,200 this word, but one of the Bigfoot classics, like the Albert Osman story, 294 00:24:47,319 --> 00:24:52,039 or maybe it's maybe you want to say maybe the Jerry Crew discovery of 295 00:24:52,519 --> 00:24:56,359 the of the print in northern California. But it's it's a big Foot classic, 296 00:24:56,519 --> 00:25:02,160 right, and so it's been told, it been retold. Fred Beck 297 00:25:02,240 --> 00:25:06,039 published a book called I Thought the Eight Men of Mouth Saint Helen's in sixty 298 00:25:06,319 --> 00:25:11,839 seven, I believe, along with his son and Ronald Ronald Beck. And 299 00:25:12,359 --> 00:25:19,400 for the most part, the retelling has been somewhat consistent between all the different 300 00:25:19,559 --> 00:25:23,119 versions, you know, there hasn't been a lot of variation a little bit. 301 00:25:25,160 --> 00:25:29,839 But the thing when I got into it, it is a fascinating story. 302 00:25:30,359 --> 00:25:33,720 So I started to think because of my proximity, I was just living 303 00:25:33,720 --> 00:25:37,640 in Vancouver, Washington, about an hour and a half from from this area, 304 00:25:37,680 --> 00:25:44,960 from Eight Canyon, and I started to think, well, you know, 305 00:25:45,400 --> 00:25:51,319 maybe maybe there's more document evidence besides just the retelling in a big Foot 306 00:25:51,359 --> 00:25:55,640 book or in a book like Weird Washington, or even Fred Beck's book. 307 00:25:55,680 --> 00:26:00,400 Maybe there's more to it. So I started getting back into the documentary evidence, 308 00:26:00,799 --> 00:26:03,000 the mining record, the newspaper record, death records, and I found 309 00:26:03,039 --> 00:26:08,680 out that there was this massive amount of information, document evidence of this time, 310 00:26:10,359 --> 00:26:15,640 of this event that was that was contemporary documentation of it. I mean 311 00:26:15,680 --> 00:26:21,640 there were there were Almost every miner was interviewed within about two or three days 312 00:26:21,680 --> 00:26:26,359 of the event, and so there was a tremendous amount of information. One 313 00:26:26,400 --> 00:26:33,200 of the one of the greatest articles was a was an article two party by 314 00:26:33,240 --> 00:26:38,680 a sports reporter named Jack Gregory out of the Oregonian, and he he didn't 315 00:26:38,720 --> 00:26:44,160 interview any of the miners, but he took a two day trip to go 316 00:26:44,400 --> 00:26:48,200 up to the site, down the slope, down to the cabin, spent 317 00:26:48,279 --> 00:26:52,240 the night there with a deputy sheriff out of Collett's County and his son, 318 00:26:52,640 --> 00:26:59,240 and then came back home through Castle Rock, and he published a two part 319 00:26:59,319 --> 00:27:04,079 series within about a week after the attack. Well, what Gregory did is 320 00:27:04,160 --> 00:27:11,000 that he didn't he didn't give me explicit directions of how to get to the 321 00:27:11,039 --> 00:27:15,240 cabin in nineteen twenty four, But there were plenty of clues, you know, 322 00:27:15,559 --> 00:27:18,200 because he described how he got up there and now he got down to 323 00:27:18,240 --> 00:27:22,240 the cabin, what he saw, that kind of thing. And he fortunately 324 00:27:22,359 --> 00:27:30,279 took some pictures and he took two images of the cabin of the longside and 325 00:27:30,319 --> 00:27:36,680 the short side, and in there you could see some other features in and 326 00:27:36,720 --> 00:27:41,480 around the cabin site. And so with his description with the mining record, 327 00:27:41,519 --> 00:27:45,400 there was never a map of the mine. It was just a small written 328 00:27:45,440 --> 00:27:52,759 description that there basically is a mine here. But there was enough clues about 329 00:27:52,839 --> 00:27:57,839 where that cabin and mine could have been enough for me to start thinking that 330 00:27:57,920 --> 00:28:04,880 this area may have been spared from the biggest, the first nineteen eighty eruption 331 00:28:04,960 --> 00:28:11,200 of the mountain. So in twenty eleven I started taking all my basketfull of 332 00:28:11,240 --> 00:28:15,920 clues, and I started going up there and looking for it, and just 333 00:28:17,079 --> 00:28:21,480 every two or three times the year. It's not easy to get to and 334 00:28:21,519 --> 00:28:26,839 it's incredibly dangerous where you're going up up Pumics Butte, which is about two 335 00:28:26,920 --> 00:28:33,519 or three hundred feet tall, and then about down about nine hundred feet along 336 00:28:33,920 --> 00:28:40,039 really a precipitous slope full of scree and loose rock and all this jazz. 337 00:28:40,680 --> 00:28:45,319 But so I'd be poking my way down a little bit more each trip looking 338 00:28:45,359 --> 00:28:51,640 for any kind of evidence. The biggest piece of evidence that I was looking 339 00:28:51,720 --> 00:28:56,839 for is that in one of Gregory's photos you can see the stumps that were 340 00:28:56,880 --> 00:29:03,519 freshly cut in order to fall the trees to build the cabin. And most 341 00:29:03,559 --> 00:29:08,640 people know particularly it's actually used in land serving that trees can be used as 342 00:29:10,359 --> 00:29:15,240 land corners or references to land corners. And even if the tree is cut 343 00:29:15,319 --> 00:29:21,160 down, when the tree starts bleeding sap to a degree it starts, it 344 00:29:21,200 --> 00:29:25,880 starts preserving that stump that you just cut down. The point being as stumps 345 00:29:25,880 --> 00:29:30,119 can last for a very very long time in the woods, and particularly up 346 00:29:30,160 --> 00:29:37,039 there where it's it's nearly alpine conditions where there's a lot of snow, but 347 00:29:37,160 --> 00:29:41,400 comes springtime the snow melts and the rest of it's it's rather arid up there 348 00:29:41,440 --> 00:29:45,039 at that time, So stumps can last for a very long time up there. 349 00:29:45,119 --> 00:29:48,559 So as I'm poking my way along, I knew that if I could 350 00:29:48,599 --> 00:29:55,599 find stumps, I knew I would be close because I talked to the head 351 00:29:55,640 --> 00:30:00,519 archaeologist at the National Forest Guy named Rick McClure, he since retired, and 352 00:30:00,599 --> 00:30:06,200 he confirmed that that limited area had never been commercially logged. It was just 353 00:30:06,359 --> 00:30:11,759 way too dangerous. But there are very massive trees down there that survived the 354 00:30:11,880 --> 00:30:15,200 eruption. Near this area, there's a Douglas fur that's golly, it must 355 00:30:15,240 --> 00:30:18,960 be about seven feet in diameter or so, so it's way pre eruption. 356 00:30:21,240 --> 00:30:26,240 And so on twenty thirteen, some friends. I had never gone with anybody 357 00:30:26,240 --> 00:30:30,680 else, but in twenty thirteen some friends were bugging me. I was talking 358 00:30:30,720 --> 00:30:33,839 about it like all the time, like a midlife crisis, and they're like, 359 00:30:33,880 --> 00:30:34,720 okay, can you take us? Can you take us? And I'm 360 00:30:34,759 --> 00:30:38,720 like okay, okay, okay. So five of us go up there and 361 00:30:40,240 --> 00:30:42,519 we get up to the top of the bee ready to go down, and 362 00:30:44,000 --> 00:30:48,039 frankly, the rest of my friends kind of chicken out because it's too because 363 00:30:48,039 --> 00:30:52,440 it looks way too dangerous it is. But there was one friend named Gabe 364 00:30:52,440 --> 00:30:56,400 who did go with me down to the bottom and we get to an area 365 00:30:56,480 --> 00:31:00,680 where I hadn't been before, and it was just this monstrous, huge patch 366 00:31:00,720 --> 00:31:04,799 of vine maple. And he's gives a little bit in front of me. 367 00:31:04,839 --> 00:31:07,240 He's only in front of me, like thirty or fifty feet. We can 368 00:31:07,240 --> 00:31:11,000 just talk to each other. I can't see Gabe because of the vine maple, 369 00:31:11,440 --> 00:31:15,160 but Gabe's like Mark, I just found a stump, and then we 370 00:31:15,200 --> 00:31:19,960 found another stump, and then we found another stump and break out the metal 371 00:31:21,000 --> 00:31:27,319 detector, and we ended up that day finding two sides of the cabin foundation. 372 00:31:27,559 --> 00:31:33,000 It was only about four inches five inches underground. We found the foundation 373 00:31:33,039 --> 00:31:36,519 of the cabin with the nails still driven into it, found one of the 374 00:31:36,559 --> 00:31:41,559 miner spoons, found some baling wire, which I think I've recently identified in 375 00:31:41,799 --> 00:31:45,839 another photograph of the interior of the cabin. So we started finding all this 376 00:31:45,880 --> 00:31:51,359 stuff. So that's when we found it in twenty twenty thirteen, and then 377 00:31:51,400 --> 00:31:53,799 in twenty fourteen we found some other some other items. We found a broken 378 00:31:53,799 --> 00:31:59,400 off buck saw blade about eight ten inches long or so, where the miners 379 00:31:59,400 --> 00:32:02,880 had broke gonna saw trying to build the cabin. So that's that's basically the 380 00:32:02,920 --> 00:32:07,839 short story. Sorry, that is the short story of how the cabin was 381 00:32:07,880 --> 00:32:13,039 found in twenty thirteen. So I again, I've been kind of following along 382 00:32:13,079 --> 00:32:16,039 this stuff and that, like, there's nothing really left of the cabin anymore. 383 00:32:16,039 --> 00:32:22,119 It's just the foundation. As you said, right when when you're out 384 00:32:22,160 --> 00:32:27,599 there, you wouldn't know that you're at the cabin site. It's just trees 385 00:32:27,640 --> 00:32:30,559 and rocks. Yeah, And and honestly, on the recent trip that we 386 00:32:30,599 --> 00:32:38,240 did last July with Keith and Cliff and Brad and I, the mountain that 387 00:32:38,319 --> 00:32:44,720 the mountain is starting to swallow the cabin site. It was. It was 388 00:32:44,839 --> 00:32:47,759 just the right place, right time Cliff and I were talking about it. 389 00:32:47,759 --> 00:32:52,759 It was sort of the right place at right time in that period of twenty 390 00:32:52,799 --> 00:32:57,559 twelve, twenty thirteen, twenty fourteen, twenty fifteen, where I just happened 391 00:32:57,599 --> 00:33:00,839 to make it there at the right time, because if I went down there 392 00:33:00,880 --> 00:33:06,240 today, finding those clues that I did find ten years ago would be a 393 00:33:06,240 --> 00:33:09,720 whole heck of a lot more difficult to say, Okay, I'm going to 394 00:33:09,759 --> 00:33:15,079 start looking here. Some of the some of the stumps are actually like disappearing. 395 00:33:15,400 --> 00:33:20,400 The whole site is getting seriously overgrown. I was planning on Brad and 396 00:33:20,400 --> 00:33:23,279 I were planning on spending the night down there at the cabin site. But 397 00:33:23,319 --> 00:33:29,000 there simply isn't any flat spot anymore. You can barely see where the cabin 398 00:33:29,200 --> 00:33:34,519 was. So, yeah, you're out there. You would without without without 399 00:33:34,640 --> 00:33:37,119 really working hard, you would have zero idea that that's where the cabin is. 400 00:33:38,599 --> 00:33:43,599 Wow. Do you have any like a place where people can see pictures 401 00:33:43,680 --> 00:33:50,599 or any video of what you found out there? Uh? Yeah, Well 402 00:33:51,079 --> 00:33:58,839 I'm I'm a technological dinosaur, So fortunately I have a very good friend named 403 00:33:58,839 --> 00:34:04,559 Ty and he has recently made a it's like brands bank and new made a 404 00:34:04,559 --> 00:34:09,639 website for me and it's a monster history dot net and there's some information on 405 00:34:09,679 --> 00:34:14,400 there. There's going to be more information on there as well. And then 406 00:34:14,440 --> 00:34:17,000 you can just find me on Facebook too, because I'm always blathering on about 407 00:34:17,360 --> 00:34:22,679 Bigfoot and Ape Canyon and other historical monster projects as well. So yeah, 408 00:34:22,719 --> 00:34:27,719 I always I always have stuff up. Awesome, awesome. All we are 409 00:34:27,760 --> 00:34:30,920 going to take a really quick break here for station identification and guys, if 410 00:34:30,920 --> 00:34:37,960 you have any questions about any historical Bigfoot encounters or monster attacks, including Ape 411 00:34:37,960 --> 00:34:40,559 Canyon, get them on the comments there, put them in all caps and 412 00:34:40,599 --> 00:34:44,880 then I can see them. And also a great way that you can get 413 00:34:44,920 --> 00:34:46,960 that is super chats, and this will tell you all about that. Show 414 00:34:47,039 --> 00:34:52,440 your support for the Untold Radio Network family of shows and join in on the 415 00:34:52,480 --> 00:34:57,719 conversation by using superstickers and super chats on YouTube. Got a question you want 416 00:34:57,760 --> 00:35:02,320 answered, ask it live vias super chat and get real time responses from our 417 00:35:02,360 --> 00:35:08,159 shows. Knowledgeable hosts and guests. Help keep the Untold Radio Network shows running 418 00:35:08,199 --> 00:35:13,480 strong. We need your support. Send your super chats and stickers. Now 419 00:35:15,039 --> 00:35:20,239 awesome, We are back here with Mark Marcel. He is a land surveyor 420 00:35:20,280 --> 00:35:25,320 and bigfoot expert and expert expert historian. And yeah, I caught myself there. 421 00:35:25,639 --> 00:35:30,159 I I it's it's morning here, man, even if it's noon. 422 00:35:30,719 --> 00:35:36,199 I just woke up. We're we're going strong here. That's cool, that's 423 00:35:36,199 --> 00:35:39,320 cool. You know, there was one thing, Barnet that that I thought 424 00:35:39,360 --> 00:35:45,239 about during the during the break there, about catching up on some of the 425 00:35:45,280 --> 00:35:49,840 projects that I'm doing. And i'd have to give a couple of plugs here 426 00:35:49,920 --> 00:35:53,880 to some really good friends who I'm helping and they're helping me as well, 427 00:35:54,920 --> 00:36:00,440 Cliff as part of he and Melissa's museum, the North American Big Center. 428 00:36:00,239 --> 00:36:05,960 Of course, you know, the NABC does Patreon stuff, and Cliff and 429 00:36:06,039 --> 00:36:13,320 I are working on Patreon n ABC film on Ape Canyon, and so I'm 430 00:36:13,320 --> 00:36:15,800 going to recommend that, and he and I did some filming up there, 431 00:36:16,360 --> 00:36:21,800 and and so I would recommend that people keep an eye on the n ABC 432 00:36:22,360 --> 00:36:25,239 and of course become a Patreon member. And you'll find out when when this 433 00:36:25,400 --> 00:36:30,480 footage, when this film is coming out about Ape Canyon. On another project 434 00:36:31,079 --> 00:36:36,079 that I've been working on for a few years. This is down in southwest 435 00:36:36,119 --> 00:36:39,480 Oregon, and I'm calling it the Thompson Flat Monster. A lot of people 436 00:36:39,559 --> 00:36:44,239 know it as the wild Man of the Sixes, where there's a whole long 437 00:36:44,360 --> 00:36:49,639 series of encounters over the period of about thirty years, as well as some 438 00:36:50,559 --> 00:36:53,639 believe it or not, some attacks on a gold mining cabin and actually where 439 00:36:53,719 --> 00:37:00,639 some miners ended up dead by unknown means, where their bodies beaten to the 440 00:37:00,679 --> 00:37:06,920 pulp or their heads bashed in all the same time, where there's incredibly aggressive 441 00:37:06,960 --> 00:37:12,239 set of creatures were they're bothering these guys. So I got a call about 442 00:37:12,280 --> 00:37:17,000 two years ago from Bobo Fae and Bobo was like, Mark, we got 443 00:37:17,000 --> 00:37:21,679 to do a film on this project. So we've been working on that, 444 00:37:21,760 --> 00:37:29,880 particularly Bobo. Fortunately all the filming is done and all the editing. So 445 00:37:30,039 --> 00:37:34,800 the Wild Manner the Sixes project of mine is coming out in film form too 446 00:37:35,159 --> 00:37:39,679 from Bobo. Awesome. Awesome, that's very cool. So, uh, 447 00:37:40,320 --> 00:37:45,480 did I did you say that that other mining was in the same area as 448 00:37:45,559 --> 00:37:52,599 this. No, it's not. No, it's not it's it's it's almost 449 00:37:52,639 --> 00:37:58,400 exactly one state away where Mount Saint Helens is in the southwest corner of Washington. 450 00:37:58,719 --> 00:38:01,239 The Tops and Flat Monster is down in the in the southwest corner of 451 00:38:01,280 --> 00:38:07,599 Oregon, about ten miles from the ocean, about sixty miles north of the 452 00:38:07,840 --> 00:38:12,360 California Oregon border. Very good. I misheard. I thought you said that 453 00:38:12,360 --> 00:38:15,880 they were on the same area of the mining area. But okay, awesome, 454 00:38:15,280 --> 00:38:19,800 very cool. Do you know of any other stories of the any other 455 00:38:19,880 --> 00:38:25,960 miners or loggers or anything around the Ape Canyon area that have reported instances? 456 00:38:28,679 --> 00:38:36,400 Not any miners, not any miners that I know of, but but plenty, 457 00:38:36,559 --> 00:38:45,639 but plenty of loggers and or people working in in the woods. The 458 00:38:45,159 --> 00:38:52,079 the Abe Canyon miners described described as these creatures as mountain devils. Of course, 459 00:38:52,119 --> 00:39:00,440 it wasn't until JW. Burns termed the the term sasquatch, and even 460 00:39:00,480 --> 00:39:04,079 that started not to get too widespread, so these guys didn't know the word 461 00:39:04,159 --> 00:39:13,280 sasquatch. Bigfoot was. The term bigfoot was often attributed to Jerry Crewe, 462 00:39:13,559 --> 00:39:17,599 that Jerry Crewe incident as far as the invention of that word and or the 463 00:39:17,679 --> 00:39:24,800 reporter down in Eureka. But I have to say that actually the term bigfoot 464 00:39:25,000 --> 00:39:30,480 was coined back in the nineteen twenties. I did find record of someone using 465 00:39:30,480 --> 00:39:35,880 the word bigfoot in the twenties. Regardless, I digress. The miners really 466 00:39:35,920 --> 00:39:42,400 didn't know the term bigfoot. They called the mountain devils. But the story 467 00:39:43,760 --> 00:39:51,440 of this bigfoot creature like creature in the woods was not unknown to the Euro 468 00:39:51,559 --> 00:39:59,119 American culture. It certainly wasn't widespread. But Smith knew other people in the 469 00:39:59,320 --> 00:40:02,679 who had been working in the woods or having wreck time in the wood, 470 00:40:02,800 --> 00:40:07,199 in the woods like fishing or hunting or whatever, where they had encountered and 471 00:40:07,239 --> 00:40:12,920 there were stories of encounters up around Mount Saint Helens on the north side, 472 00:40:13,000 --> 00:40:15,360 around the Tuttle River, along the south side, along the Lewis River, 473 00:40:15,719 --> 00:40:23,320 where there were these encounters that were talked about, completely unexplained, nothing terribly 474 00:40:23,360 --> 00:40:29,000 aggressive, except say, just like a regular road crossing or an encounter in 475 00:40:29,039 --> 00:40:32,199 the woods that will last a few seconds. But this was this was known 476 00:40:32,599 --> 00:40:37,159 for you know, off and on a little bit, but certainly up on 477 00:40:37,199 --> 00:40:43,039 Mount Saint Helens there were plenty of one. In particular, there were plenty 478 00:40:43,039 --> 00:40:49,639 of much older stories, old time stories that as they say, amongst the 479 00:40:49,960 --> 00:40:57,079 Yakama Nation, amongst the Clickatat Nation, amongst the Chehalis Callet's nation as well. 480 00:40:57,800 --> 00:41:04,400 The reason why is because Mount Saint Helens today and forever is really really 481 00:41:04,400 --> 00:41:08,079 big on huckleberry because of the elevation, because of the dense woods, huckleberry 482 00:41:08,119 --> 00:41:14,880 grow like crazy up there. And so these nations that were living around Mount 483 00:41:14,920 --> 00:41:20,239 St. Helens all ended up kind of gathering huckleberry up on Mount St. 484 00:41:20,239 --> 00:41:28,159 Helens together. And there there there is a story that keeps getting repeated over 485 00:41:28,199 --> 00:41:35,280 and over again where at Spirit Lake. Spirit Lake got its name not from 486 00:41:35,320 --> 00:41:39,440 this sort of idea of this great spirit in the wood is great spirit in 487 00:41:39,480 --> 00:41:44,840 the sky, sort of like you know, kind of stereotypical Western Indian movies 488 00:41:44,920 --> 00:41:50,760 kind of stuff. What the spirit of Spirit Lake actually referred to was what 489 00:41:50,840 --> 00:41:58,280 they called mountain spirits. There was a tribe of people and they were known 490 00:41:58,280 --> 00:42:02,480 as Siatick or sia Tick, and there were not very many in number of 491 00:42:02,480 --> 00:42:07,360 these people that lived up above Spirit Lake. They were elusive, they didn't 492 00:42:07,400 --> 00:42:15,239 like to be bothered at all. And an old time story was that sometimes 493 00:42:15,239 --> 00:42:21,679 when these people Yakima cal It's humans would be going up there to collect camping 494 00:42:21,719 --> 00:42:24,840 and to collect food. Once in a while, a young kid would go 495 00:42:24,920 --> 00:42:32,719 missing, particularly a younger woman eleven, twelve, thirteen years old. Particularly 496 00:42:32,719 --> 00:42:37,280 oddly enough, it was covered with if she had red hair, she'd go 497 00:42:37,400 --> 00:42:42,719 missing, and then once in a while she would end up being returned, 498 00:42:42,920 --> 00:42:45,880 almost like a change lane kind of story. About five or six years later, 499 00:42:46,320 --> 00:42:51,599 while enough kids were disappearing, where according to the old story, the 500 00:42:51,760 --> 00:42:55,840 humans got together with Asiatic and they said, look, we're gonna leave. 501 00:42:57,239 --> 00:43:00,960 We're never ever coming back if you stop taking our kids. Also, what 502 00:43:01,000 --> 00:43:07,039 we want is that the Siatick would would steal a kid and stuff them in 503 00:43:07,079 --> 00:43:10,280 this huge basket almost like a backpack, and take off with them. So 504 00:43:10,360 --> 00:43:15,639 the humans said, well, if you show us how to make these baskets, 505 00:43:16,119 --> 00:43:20,639 we're going to leave and never come back. And that was the deal. 506 00:43:20,840 --> 00:43:23,760 They learned how to make these baskets. So these baskets are traditionally used 507 00:43:24,079 --> 00:43:30,840 for huckleberry collecting, and they come in different forms and in some of the 508 00:43:30,840 --> 00:43:36,280 weaving, once in a while, these images are woven into these baskets and 509 00:43:36,320 --> 00:43:38,800 you can see, oh, that's a deer, that's an elk, that's 510 00:43:38,800 --> 00:43:45,360 a human. But then there's this other image of this much taller, semi 511 00:43:45,440 --> 00:43:51,079 human looking creature, pointy head, no neck, narrow hips, you know, 512 00:43:51,199 --> 00:43:55,159 much more menacing, larger than the human images. It was around nineteen 513 00:43:55,239 --> 00:44:00,840 twenty four where a reporter, a member of the Klowen nation named George Totski, 514 00:44:01,599 --> 00:44:07,000 talked about the Cia tick and and basically told the same story except for 515 00:44:07,039 --> 00:44:10,800 the fact that these people named the Ciotick happened to be seven or eight feet 516 00:44:10,840 --> 00:44:20,599 tall and covered entirely with reddish brown hair. That's fascinating really so so they 517 00:44:20,639 --> 00:44:24,440 think that the sasquatches or these creatures were making these baskets first, That's what 518 00:44:24,519 --> 00:44:29,639 I'm kind of getting out of that. And they taught them. Yeah, 519 00:44:29,840 --> 00:44:35,320 yeah, yeah, that's That's one of the origin stories of the local basket 520 00:44:36,119 --> 00:44:43,400 art, the local basket manufacturing. There's two other stories. One rather kind 521 00:44:43,400 --> 00:44:49,880 of banal story is an old time story between Cedar, the tree and squirrel 522 00:44:50,320 --> 00:44:54,719 as far as the origin of the baskets. But there are other origin stories 523 00:44:54,760 --> 00:45:00,639 of the basket that are somewhat similar to the Spirit Lake sa Tick story, 524 00:45:00,079 --> 00:45:07,239 where the baskets are taught to humans by one or one of three Ogre sisters 525 00:45:07,280 --> 00:45:12,480 that live in the woods, and on one of the Ogre sisters monsters in 526 00:45:12,519 --> 00:45:16,039 the woods where it was the one who taught the people how to make baskets. 527 00:45:16,400 --> 00:45:22,280 But yeah, there's as far as how humans, all the local humans 528 00:45:22,320 --> 00:45:30,280 say in southwest Washington, western Washington, how they learned the basket was something 529 00:45:30,320 --> 00:45:32,480 having to do with some sort of monster in the woods, some sort of 530 00:45:32,599 --> 00:45:38,840 large like bipedal kind of monstrous human kind of creature in the woods. So 531 00:45:39,000 --> 00:45:42,960 yeah, that's some of the baskets, some of the old time stories of 532 00:45:43,000 --> 00:45:46,800 the of these folks that live up there. Oh, I keep picturing, 533 00:45:47,239 --> 00:45:52,519 you know, I just have Crampus now, you know, the spirit of 534 00:45:52,599 --> 00:45:55,719 Christmas and stuff that the dark entity that that picks up these children and throws 535 00:45:55,760 --> 00:46:00,280 him in his sack or in his basket. And I'm picturing that kind of 536 00:46:00,320 --> 00:46:02,599 same thing as you're telling these stories, and how you know, like is 537 00:46:04,000 --> 00:46:07,400 this kind of the same kind of story, and you know, like how 538 00:46:07,440 --> 00:46:09,920 things kind of evolved from there? Have you thought about any of that? 539 00:46:10,199 --> 00:46:16,199 Yeah, you know, you know, I'm not as familiar with one one 540 00:46:16,679 --> 00:46:23,000 detail about the Crampus stealing children with crampas do you know, are the children 541 00:46:23,079 --> 00:46:30,960 ever returned or are they just gone forever? With the Grampus stories, I'm 542 00:46:30,000 --> 00:46:35,960 I'm not sure that that's it. I know it's usually the bad children are 543 00:46:36,000 --> 00:46:38,440 taken, you know, so it's it's still that it's still all kind of 544 00:46:38,440 --> 00:46:42,280 falls under that fame mythology, you know, like you said, the change 545 00:46:42,320 --> 00:46:45,880 links and stuff. But I exactly right. Not they ever get returned or 546 00:46:45,920 --> 00:46:54,119 not with with with the children that are stolen in in the old stories. 547 00:46:54,320 --> 00:46:59,920 But actually I have one story that's not that old of the children being stole. 548 00:47:00,719 --> 00:47:07,480 Sometimes they're gone forever. Sometimes they are returned, but they're only returned 549 00:47:07,000 --> 00:47:15,320 many, many years later. One of the one of the Calots families around 550 00:47:15,400 --> 00:47:22,880 here is a is A as A as A last name of Wanna Say and 551 00:47:22,000 --> 00:47:28,599 Frank want to say was interviewed as as A as a Native Calots guy with 552 00:47:28,639 --> 00:47:34,000 old time stories in nineteen twenty four during the eight during the Ape Canyon publicity, 553 00:47:34,639 --> 00:47:42,239 and it was actually Frank's mother, I believe, or his grandmother was 554 00:47:42,480 --> 00:47:46,840 one of the last people to be known to have been stolen. And there 555 00:47:46,960 --> 00:47:52,719 is a photo of her and it's almost like a studio portrait at in her 556 00:47:52,960 --> 00:47:57,719 In her later life, she was known as Indian Mary or eye patch or 557 00:47:57,800 --> 00:48:01,039 one eye because she had lost an eye sometime in our adulthood, and it's 558 00:48:01,079 --> 00:48:05,880 a studio portrait with her very long gray hair and an eye patch, and 559 00:48:06,119 --> 00:48:10,440 she's buried, and she's buried in Woodland. And apparently this story goes was 560 00:48:10,480 --> 00:48:15,440 that she was taken as a very very young girl, ten eleven years old, 561 00:48:15,960 --> 00:48:21,159 and then returned when she was about sixteen or seventeen, and much like 562 00:48:21,440 --> 00:48:25,639 the Fay, much like the fairies changeling stories, she came back and she 563 00:48:25,800 --> 00:48:32,519 was very different. She was not good, apparently socially, she was distant, 564 00:48:32,840 --> 00:48:37,480 had a hard time dealing with other humans around her. She was just 565 00:48:37,639 --> 00:48:42,239 a different person and lives the rest of her days. Didn't talk about at 566 00:48:42,280 --> 00:48:46,800 all her time of being gone. She would simply wouldn't talk about it, 567 00:48:47,119 --> 00:48:52,800 except that the family knew that they were up there on the mountain and they 568 00:48:52,840 --> 00:48:59,199 turned around and she's gone. And then suddenly she shows up back around the 569 00:48:59,239 --> 00:49:02,360 Columbia River, which is driving time today. It's about an hour and a 570 00:49:02,360 --> 00:49:07,559 half away, about seventy eighty miles away from Mount Saint Helens, and shows 571 00:49:07,639 --> 00:49:13,719 up inexplicably why she was missing. Nobody knows. Oh, I wish I 572 00:49:13,800 --> 00:49:15,760 would have paid more attention to it. I just read an article today on 573 00:49:15,800 --> 00:49:22,159 Facebook about a girl that disappeared and just came back six years later, really, 574 00:49:22,760 --> 00:49:25,239 and I can't remember where it was or anything. I just kind of 575 00:49:25,239 --> 00:49:30,679 was skimming through Facebook earlier today and it was a girl and she went missing 576 00:49:30,679 --> 00:49:35,000 and she just showed back up six years later. So that's it's very very 577 00:49:35,039 --> 00:49:37,159 reminiscent of this. I don't even know where it was, honestly, but 578 00:49:38,880 --> 00:49:43,079 if you, if you come across it again, send it to me and 579 00:49:43,239 --> 00:49:47,519 I'll start looking to It's like some of the some of the David David Pilotti's 580 00:49:47,599 --> 00:49:52,960 famous stories of that of that really really young guy I can't remember. He 581 00:49:52,079 --> 00:49:55,079 was like three or four years old, and he was missing for like three 582 00:49:55,159 --> 00:50:00,960 or four days, and then the search and rescue found him miles and miles 583 00:50:00,000 --> 00:50:07,679 away from where he where he got lost outside of camp. So the again, 584 00:50:07,880 --> 00:50:10,239 again, like Mary want to say, this was only about a hundred 585 00:50:10,360 --> 00:50:17,599 years ago or so, but disappearing children, especially disappearing children up in rugged 586 00:50:17,760 --> 00:50:23,599 mountainous areas, still still happen, you know. And I'm not I'm not. 587 00:50:23,719 --> 00:50:28,559 I don't want to attribute like to any kind of like monsters or wood 588 00:50:28,760 --> 00:50:32,519 or anything to every missing person in the woods. Certainly not, but there 589 00:50:32,519 --> 00:50:39,239 are sometimes weird circumstances and weird questions that crop up as well. Absolutely, 590 00:50:39,920 --> 00:50:44,480 we are coming up here on the end of this hour here, and I 591 00:50:44,519 --> 00:50:47,599 wanted to get some comments and questions here. Bigfoot Society wants to say hey 592 00:50:47,639 --> 00:50:58,199 and love you to you. Thanks Jeremiah. Brian McMahon here says infinite riches. 593 00:50:58,280 --> 00:51:01,840 Whoever wrote that, kudos, that's in your bio. I love that 594 00:51:01,920 --> 00:51:07,880 line as well. And h Lee Warner would like to know if you know 595 00:51:07,960 --> 00:51:14,400 anything about the Teddy Roosevelt story that he had talked about, and have you 596 00:51:14,559 --> 00:51:17,760 gotten any research into that or what can you tell us about that one? 597 00:51:20,400 --> 00:51:25,920 Only a little bit the Roosevelt Bowman story. Uh, there are two great 598 00:51:25,960 --> 00:51:32,039 friends out in Montana who looked into it a little bit and we've just kind 599 00:51:32,039 --> 00:51:37,199 of been chatting a little bit. Tom and Katie Ertz. They're they're really 600 00:51:37,199 --> 00:51:40,880 great researchers and good friends, and we have talked about the Roosevelt Bowman story. 601 00:51:42,559 --> 00:51:46,320 And I think that Katie's right. I think that there is so little 602 00:51:46,800 --> 00:51:54,079 document evidence of the Bowman and Roosevelt stuff, at least right now, because 603 00:51:54,119 --> 00:52:00,800 what's been written about. Are sort of of what the Ape Canyon story was. 604 00:52:00,840 --> 00:52:04,719 Humbly speaking, before I got in. Before I got into it, 605 00:52:04,920 --> 00:52:07,840 it was just almost campfire stories, just little bits written here and there. 606 00:52:08,280 --> 00:52:14,039 Katie had had a very very good point that really the next step and maybe 607 00:52:14,159 --> 00:52:17,039 hopefully I'll get around to it. On Roosevelt, it's going to it's going 608 00:52:17,079 --> 00:52:23,880 to require a Freedom of Information Act request from National Archives. And I gotta 609 00:52:23,960 --> 00:52:30,159 say another shout out to every librarian and every archivist. They're so dedicated and 610 00:52:30,320 --> 00:52:34,599 so helpful. My friends and National Archives and State archives have just been great. 611 00:52:35,000 --> 00:52:37,639 And when I tell them that I'm looking into a Bigfoot story, they 612 00:52:37,719 --> 00:52:40,960 getting even more excited and dig a little bit, dig a little bit more 613 00:52:42,480 --> 00:52:45,639 so on Roosevelt, Bowman, it's a project I would like to tackle, 614 00:52:45,119 --> 00:52:52,000 but we need a lot more information before we can start pinpointing about where this 615 00:52:52,119 --> 00:52:58,840 happened and any more information about it. Awesome. I know you mentioned this 616 00:52:58,960 --> 00:53:02,920 earlier as well, another very famous story, the Albert Ausman story. I 617 00:53:02,960 --> 00:53:07,599 know a lot of people have differing opinions on that. What what is your 618 00:53:07,639 --> 00:53:10,719 opinion? Do you think that it's it's a factual story, an actual incident, 619 00:53:10,880 --> 00:53:15,880 or do you think that that was all fabricated. I really can't say 620 00:53:17,960 --> 00:53:23,039 yes or no, whether it was factual or whether it was not. The 621 00:53:23,119 --> 00:53:30,840 reason being is because all we really have is John Green's interview with Albert Astman. 622 00:53:31,400 --> 00:53:37,760 That's all we have, and that was done forty years after the fact. 623 00:53:37,000 --> 00:53:43,360 There was very, very little that was talked about about the Ausman incident 624 00:53:43,800 --> 00:53:46,280 until John Green tracked him down and in and interviewed him. You know, 625 00:53:47,800 --> 00:53:55,280 there is or was it is a little bit of a holy grail if you 626 00:53:55,320 --> 00:54:00,800 will, to the to the Oustman story. And I got this from Scott 627 00:54:01,039 --> 00:54:06,599 Violette Scott, Scott and Hannah, and Scott said that he had come across 628 00:54:06,719 --> 00:54:15,679 somebody who knew somebody else who knew somebody else who apparently had a copy photocopy 629 00:54:15,719 --> 00:54:21,960 I don't think the original, but a photocopy of of Albert Osman's diary from 630 00:54:22,000 --> 00:54:25,760 many years ago. So I bubb Scott a lot about it, and I 631 00:54:25,840 --> 00:54:28,880 was like, you gotta get it, you gotta get it. Let me 632 00:54:29,000 --> 00:54:35,800 and so the unfortunately, the fellow who told him that he had the Ausman 633 00:54:35,920 --> 00:54:39,320 diary kind of ghosted a little bit, and Scott hasn't been able to get 634 00:54:39,320 --> 00:54:45,960 a hold of him. Again. There there are there are a lot of 635 00:54:45,079 --> 00:54:51,719 there are a lot of problems with Ausman's story of you know, with the 636 00:54:51,840 --> 00:54:55,719 idea of him you know, tricking these creatures with snuff and you know, 637 00:54:55,800 --> 00:55:00,920 being able to escape and give back to civilization apparently without shoes, which was 638 00:55:00,960 --> 00:55:07,119 like a long ways away. There's some of those examples, plus not really 639 00:55:07,239 --> 00:55:12,800 great geographic calls in his story where we can actually pinpoint where this is. 640 00:55:13,840 --> 00:55:21,079 Another great longtime researcher, John Kirk the third has looked into that rather hard 641 00:55:21,119 --> 00:55:24,039 as far as trying to pinpoint about where he was taken. But there's a 642 00:55:24,039 --> 00:55:30,960 lot of missing information. So again until more document evidence shows up, I 643 00:55:30,000 --> 00:55:36,400 don't know. I certainly don't know. But one thing about Osman's story, 644 00:55:36,440 --> 00:55:42,639 these big classics, even though there's not a lot of perhaps veracity to the 645 00:55:42,719 --> 00:55:45,960 story on not a lot of detail, it certainly grabbed your attention. It 646 00:55:46,039 --> 00:55:52,519 grabbed my attention enough to propel a lot of people into looking into the Sasquatch 647 00:55:52,679 --> 00:55:58,599 phenomenon more. And really I think it really gave birth to well, I 648 00:55:58,639 --> 00:56:01,159 don't know what you want to call it, second, third, fourth generation 649 00:56:02,000 --> 00:56:06,920 of the Four Horsemen, we I think that's where we are now. We're 650 00:56:06,920 --> 00:56:10,400 sort of the fourth generation after Green into hind In and Patterson and you know, 651 00:56:10,519 --> 00:56:16,519 all all that stuff really inspired us absolutely. All right, man, 652 00:56:16,599 --> 00:56:22,280 I appreciate everything that you've done, all your hard work and dedication into the 653 00:56:22,320 --> 00:56:25,239 topics and stuff. That's that's amazing that people are out there actually doing the 654 00:56:25,840 --> 00:56:31,519 research to try and you know, prove that these stories are real or hoaxed, 655 00:56:31,599 --> 00:56:35,199 and that you know, because that's at the end of the day, 656 00:56:35,239 --> 00:56:38,079 you know, this is this is amazing story, the whole Eight Canyon situation. 657 00:56:38,199 --> 00:56:42,800 It's you know, big Foot legend and stuff. But at the end 658 00:56:42,840 --> 00:56:45,360 of the day, it's just a story unless you have the facts to back 659 00:56:45,400 --> 00:56:50,280 it up. And everybody that's the eye you know that Bigfoot is just a 660 00:56:50,280 --> 00:56:52,639 hoax. There's no proof and stuff. And then you've you've stepped forward looked 661 00:56:52,639 --> 00:56:58,960 at the actual documentation to prove that this place actually existed. The story, 662 00:56:59,440 --> 00:57:01,639 whether the story is true or not, but you have the back up that 663 00:57:01,800 --> 00:57:07,239 says the place existed, the people existed, the mine existed, everything else 664 00:57:07,280 --> 00:57:13,360 falls into place. So I really appreciate your hard work and well thanks, 665 00:57:13,480 --> 00:57:16,679 thanks, thanks man. The one thing as sort of like maybe a punchline. 666 00:57:16,719 --> 00:57:22,159 As we're wrapping this up, is that right in for Ape Canyon? 667 00:57:22,239 --> 00:57:28,519 Right inside the foundation of the cabin about four or five six years ago, 668 00:57:29,480 --> 00:57:32,239 we were able to find right inside the box of the foundation, we found 669 00:57:32,239 --> 00:57:37,000 a breast cartridge and it was, as best we can tell, a thirty 670 00:57:37,079 --> 00:57:43,639 thirty cartridge, which is the rifle that fred Beck was using. And it 671 00:57:43,679 --> 00:57:50,119 is plain old. It's a very very old cartridge. So whether the story 672 00:57:50,239 --> 00:57:52,360 is true, whether they shot at these creatures or not, I don't know. 673 00:57:52,800 --> 00:57:57,440 But we found a bullet cartridge inside the foundation of the cabin. Here 674 00:57:57,480 --> 00:58:01,480 you go. I assume you should find a lot more if they shot at 675 00:58:01,480 --> 00:58:06,440 these things all night though, you know that's all right? Awesome? Yeah, 676 00:58:06,559 --> 00:58:09,400 So wrapping up here, man, tell us what are you working on 677 00:58:09,440 --> 00:58:14,159 now? What are you researching? And where again, where can we find 678 00:58:14,159 --> 00:58:16,360 more about you? And where can people see this information? And do you 679 00:58:16,360 --> 00:58:22,000 have any conferences or anything you're gonna be speaking at coming up? No. 680 00:58:22,199 --> 00:58:27,400 As far as far as conferences, I am available. People can get a 681 00:58:27,400 --> 00:58:30,559 hold of me. I don't have anything scheduled right now. I was doing 682 00:58:30,559 --> 00:58:34,880 conferences hot and heavy. My last one was in Forks, but no, 683 00:58:34,960 --> 00:58:37,039 I don't. I don't have anything scheduled right now, but for right now. 684 00:58:37,119 --> 00:58:39,760 Yeah, you can get a hold of me on Facebook with my name 685 00:58:40,360 --> 00:58:45,880 or monster history dot net if you want to check out my website, which 686 00:58:45,960 --> 00:58:47,119 is going to be growing. We're gonna be adding more to it, I 687 00:58:47,159 --> 00:58:53,639 swear. But right now, no project is ever done. No project has 688 00:58:53,679 --> 00:58:57,800 ever ever done. There's more to do on Eighth Canyon, there's a lot 689 00:58:57,840 --> 00:59:01,079 more to do on Thompson Flat three or four other projects we didn't have time 690 00:59:01,119 --> 00:59:05,880 to get into. I'm gonna be dead before I'm done on any of these 691 00:59:05,920 --> 00:59:09,280 projects. Awesome, Well, best of luck to you. Keep up the 692 00:59:09,280 --> 00:59:15,760 good work man right on, Thanks so much, thank you for being on 693 00:59:15,760 --> 00:59:22,760 the show today, Mark, Okay, thanks man, all right, guys, 694 00:59:22,840 --> 00:59:30,320 Mark Marcel historian land surveyor at historical researcher on Ape Cannon and all kinds 695 00:59:30,360 --> 00:59:37,559 of other Bigfoot historical stories we'll say, and awesome awesome interviews. So thank 696 00:59:37,559 --> 00:59:40,199 you so much for being on the show today and joining us here on the 697 00:59:40,239 --> 00:59:44,960 Untold Radio Network. Coming up next week right here, same time, same 698 00:59:45,000 --> 00:59:49,159 place, we have Matt Pruitt is gonna be on talking about his brand new 699 00:59:49,199 --> 00:59:52,920 book and it's an awesome book. Make sure you guys go check it out. 700 00:59:52,960 --> 01:00:00,519 That'll be next week here on Monday months. Hi am, I am 701 01:00:00,519 --> 01:00:05,679 tired Man on Monsters on the Edge on the Untold Radio network. We'll see 702 01:00:05,719 --> 01:01:15,440 on the Edge up would be more