WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.320 --> 00:00:04.679 Let's rank the Cincinnati Bengals issues so far this year by importance and talk about 2 00:00:05.000 --> 00:00:09.439 some potential solutions coming out of the bye week. You are Locked On Bengals, 3 00:00:10.119 --> 00:00:15.199 your daily Cincinnati Bengals podcast, part of the Locked On podcast network, 4 00:00:15.800 --> 00:00:37.000 your team every day Bengals fans, and welcome to another episode of the Lockdown 5 00:00:37.000 --> 00:00:39.799 Bengals podcast. I'm your host, Jake. Let's go along with your host 6 00:00:40.000 --> 00:00:44.119 James Rape and today we're joined by Joe Gibberi, whose show you can find 7 00:00:44.280 --> 00:00:49.119 from First Start on YouTube Bengals on the Brain. We're going to get into 8 00:00:49.200 --> 00:00:52.679 what the Bengals issues have been this year, what the importance of those issues 9 00:00:52.719 --> 00:00:56.880 has been, and talk about some potential solutions. But Joe. 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Joe Burrow was moving around well, 19 00:01:33.560 --> 00:01:37.959 and that's takeaway one, two and three. Throwing off platform, throwing 20 00:01:38.000 --> 00:01:41.640 off of that right leg, pushing off of it, and so that's good 21 00:01:41.640 --> 00:01:45.959 to see. Hopefully that continues and we can stop talking about Cafgate twenty twenty 22 00:01:45.959 --> 00:01:49.319 three, from Cafgate to growing gate. I can't believe I just said that, 23 00:01:49.319 --> 00:01:53.760 but I did. Orlando Brown Junior dealing with a growing issue. He 24 00:01:53.799 --> 00:01:57.319 says he's going to play on Sunday against the forty nine ers. Zach Taylor 25 00:01:57.400 --> 00:02:01.239 was less less confident, or at least didn't want to commit and said we'll 26 00:02:01.239 --> 00:02:05.560 see. So I do think Orlando Brown Junior will play. We'll see if 27 00:02:05.599 --> 00:02:08.599 he's elimined or practices in full on Wednesday. Other guys T Higgins, Cho 28 00:02:08.680 --> 00:02:15.000 Beayo woozi A progressing nicely. Also, Charlie Jones Stone injur Reserve progressing well. 29 00:02:15.039 --> 00:02:17.599 I talked to Charlie, so we'll see if he's His practice window gets 30 00:02:17.639 --> 00:02:23.599 opened next week following the forty nine ers game. Interestingly, Kien Davis Gather 31 00:02:23.759 --> 00:02:27.159 also still not back at practice. He last played in the same game that 32 00:02:27.360 --> 00:02:30.240 Charlie Jones last played him. One of those guys went on to the IR 33 00:02:30.319 --> 00:02:34.960 one of them didn't, So we'll see what happens with Keem Davis Gaither, 34 00:02:35.800 --> 00:02:38.599 a situational player of course at this point in his career with the Bengals, 35 00:02:38.639 --> 00:02:45.759 bringing back the two starters at linebacker just something that's interesting from a roster management 36 00:02:46.240 --> 00:02:51.319 perspective. Eleona Brown did say he felt great, kind of an extra rest 37 00:02:51.400 --> 00:02:53.759 day for him coming off the buyas how he wanted to talk about it. 38 00:02:53.759 --> 00:02:59.439 So hopefully they get him back this week, and those are the quick injury 39 00:02:59.479 --> 00:03:01.400 updates, of course, have a fuller picture on Wednesday when they're back to 40 00:03:01.400 --> 00:03:04.960 putting a practice report out. But not only do the Bengals get a bye 41 00:03:04.960 --> 00:03:07.560 week of extra preparation for the forty nine ers, but the forty nine ers 42 00:03:07.599 --> 00:03:10.120 are playing Monday night football as well, which didn't actually occur to me until 43 00:03:10.120 --> 00:03:13.960 we record this on Monday, and I realized that the San Francisco forty nine 44 00:03:14.039 --> 00:03:19.199 ers hadn't played yet this week, so big rest disparity this week. That 45 00:03:19.319 --> 00:03:23.560 said, let's get into the bye week retrospective, and that's why you're here, 46 00:03:23.639 --> 00:03:28.960 Joe and I've wanted to kind of talk about power ranking the problems as 47 00:03:29.000 --> 00:03:31.960 it were, because you could talk about a lot of the issues the Bengals 48 00:03:31.960 --> 00:03:37.039 have had, and we have talked about them, and they all feel pretty 49 00:03:37.080 --> 00:03:40.560 important. But when you talk about the actual significance of those issues as far 50 00:03:40.599 --> 00:03:46.080 as how it's played out winning and losing football games, I think that that 51 00:03:46.199 --> 00:03:50.080 might be an interesting angle to take when you discuss it. So when you 52 00:03:50.120 --> 00:03:52.759 look at this team, when you've been talking about them on Bengals on the 53 00:03:52.759 --> 00:03:55.680 brain, doing your film study, doing your normal analysis thing that you do, 54 00:03:57.680 --> 00:03:59.960 what do you think that if you had to point to like these single 55 00:04:00.159 --> 00:04:02.520 biggest problem that is why the Bengals are three and three instead of four and 56 00:04:02.560 --> 00:04:06.639 two or five and one, where do you start? I start with the 57 00:04:06.719 --> 00:04:11.719 quarterback play. And maybe that's somewhat easy because it's been such a topic of 58 00:04:11.719 --> 00:04:15.319 this discussion since it happened in late July with the calf injury. But I 59 00:04:15.360 --> 00:04:18.519 think when you look around the league. The same thing is happening to a 60 00:04:18.560 --> 00:04:24.079 lot of teams, a lot of good offenses that if they can't find explosive 61 00:04:25.199 --> 00:04:29.800 running options or can't create explosive runs, everything falls on the quarterback. And 62 00:04:29.839 --> 00:04:32.839 I thought this game last night was pretty apparent between the Dolphins and the Eagles, 63 00:04:32.839 --> 00:04:36.079 because the Dolphins have been the hey, look, this is the new 64 00:04:36.120 --> 00:04:39.920 offense, is what you have to do in twenty twenty three, and when 65 00:04:39.920 --> 00:04:44.000 they couldn't produce explosive plays on the ground, it was like, okay, 66 00:04:44.000 --> 00:04:46.399 so what do we have to do on offense because now we are at second 67 00:04:46.439 --> 00:04:49.279 and seven, now it's third and six, whatever it may be, and 68 00:04:49.560 --> 00:04:55.360 the onus becomes the quarterback has to make a clean read, clean throw within 69 00:04:55.439 --> 00:04:59.439 structure because two is not the kind of guy that can break out and make 70 00:04:59.480 --> 00:05:02.040 a play happen. But that's really how Joe Burrow looked those first three to 71 00:05:02.079 --> 00:05:05.000 four weeks, right where you couldn't really do much, couldn't extend plays, 72 00:05:05.240 --> 00:05:10.560 and if he did, he got reinjured on that late play against the Ravens. 73 00:05:10.720 --> 00:05:14.879 So when you can't extend plays and you are sitting duck in the pocket, 74 00:05:15.800 --> 00:05:18.480 defenses play you completely differently, the Bengals didn't have anything else to lean 75 00:05:18.519 --> 00:05:21.959 on. They didn't have an explosive running game that a well rounded running game 76 00:05:23.000 --> 00:05:25.120 to say, hey, we're going to do this for the first month and 77 00:05:25.199 --> 00:05:27.879 just get through it and then you come out with a healthy Burrow on the 78 00:05:27.879 --> 00:05:30.959 other the other end of it. So, while it's yes, Burrow was 79 00:05:30.000 --> 00:05:33.680 the main focus for me in how many things you can't do on offense when 80 00:05:33.680 --> 00:05:38.519 you have a quarterback like that. The other part is they've had a more 81 00:05:38.560 --> 00:05:42.199 dynamic running game. We maybe could have got out of a couple of those 82 00:05:42.240 --> 00:05:46.439 games a little bit closer or more successfully. So your your focus is, 83 00:05:47.160 --> 00:05:53.000 are your biggest questions concerns are on offense? You think over the first six 84 00:05:53.040 --> 00:05:55.920 games, oh, no doubt. I haven't had much of an issue with 85 00:05:55.959 --> 00:06:00.480 the defense. They had their issues I think early, but I think defense 86 00:06:00.519 --> 00:06:03.240 as a whole around the league is reflective of what the offense is doing on 87 00:06:03.279 --> 00:06:05.720 the other side. If you can score points, if you can stay ahead 88 00:06:05.720 --> 00:06:09.959 of the game, flip the game script in your favor. I feel like 89 00:06:10.000 --> 00:06:14.439 the defenses across the league are night and day, and when they can pin 90 00:06:14.519 --> 00:06:16.759 their ears back, when they can rush, when you can disguise things and 91 00:06:17.319 --> 00:06:19.839 pull that string when you need to on a third down and call a blitz 92 00:06:20.079 --> 00:06:24.519 or back everyone out and just get that one more play, that one more 93 00:06:24.560 --> 00:06:28.680 sack, that one more turnover. It's a difference in you know, in 94 00:06:28.720 --> 00:06:31.000 wins and losses all across the league. And so I haven't had an issue 95 00:06:31.000 --> 00:06:33.879 with the defense. When the Bengals of score points, I thought they've looked 96 00:06:34.120 --> 00:06:40.439 really good. My overall issue is we had so much time of knowing that 97 00:06:40.480 --> 00:06:45.160 Burrow was going to be limited somewhat that when they rolled out the offense and 98 00:06:45.199 --> 00:06:48.800 it looked exactly like last year's with obviously somebody that was hobbled, that quarterback, 99 00:06:49.000 --> 00:06:53.439 it just seemed like a bad plan from the get go to me, 100 00:06:53.680 --> 00:06:56.759 and we've talked about this. They never expected the re injury to occur. 101 00:06:56.879 --> 00:06:59.560 They thought they would have to live like this for two weeks, right, 102 00:07:00.000 --> 00:07:01.480 and then they could get back into doing some of the things that they wanted 103 00:07:01.480 --> 00:07:04.240 to do that we thought they were planning to do in the preseason, which 104 00:07:04.279 --> 00:07:10.279 was an expanded play action game, which is leveraging Joe Burrow off the spot 105 00:07:10.360 --> 00:07:13.399 where we've seen him doing a lot of work. You know, today at 106 00:07:13.439 --> 00:07:15.800 practice on Monday in the offseason, a lot of play action work as well, 107 00:07:16.279 --> 00:07:18.279 and they didn't get to do that. They kind of had to go 108 00:07:18.319 --> 00:07:23.839 back to the drawing board after he reinjured the calf and we two. That 109 00:07:23.879 --> 00:07:27.959 would be the it's an excuse, But the excuse I would offer in their 110 00:07:28.000 --> 00:07:30.800 defense is, let's try to survive for two weeks. They almost do get 111 00:07:30.800 --> 00:07:34.839 that win against Baltimore. If not for a bad interception coming out of halftime, 112 00:07:34.920 --> 00:07:39.040 that game could go differently. Then they're one and one and then they 113 00:07:39.040 --> 00:07:44.720 have a healthier burrow they hope at that point. Instead they're struggling through for 114 00:07:44.759 --> 00:07:47.920 another couple of weeks. The interesting thing, one interesting thing you said as 115 00:07:47.920 --> 00:07:51.439 well that I wanted to go back to was talking about the Philly Miami game 116 00:07:51.879 --> 00:07:57.879 and talk about two dramatically different offenses in terms of where they're lining up, 117 00:07:57.959 --> 00:08:01.120 how much shotgun they're using pre stap motion. Philly one of the teams at 118 00:08:01.160 --> 00:08:05.399 the bottom of pre snap motion in the NFL, Miami the top of free 119 00:08:05.439 --> 00:08:09.800 snap motion in the NFL. Philly one of the heaviest shotgun teams in the 120 00:08:09.920 --> 00:08:13.560 NFL. Miami using shotgun twenty percent less than Philly. Twenty three percent less 121 00:08:13.560 --> 00:08:18.000 than Philly. Cincinnati in the shotgun more than Philadelphia is but it's actually, 122 00:08:18.079 --> 00:08:22.079 you look around the league somewhat comparable to teams like the Ravens who have been 123 00:08:22.079 --> 00:08:24.319 good on offense, to Philadelphia, to the Kansas City Chiefs. It's not 124 00:08:24.399 --> 00:08:28.800 too far off. It's certainly more because for a period of time Joe Burrow 125 00:08:28.839 --> 00:08:33.120 simply could not get under center. But you look at those offenses and the 126 00:08:33.360 --> 00:08:35.720 key difference with Baltimore and Philly is a running game aspect of things, and 127 00:08:35.759 --> 00:08:39.679 the athleticism I think in the offensive line, the way those offensive lines are 128 00:08:39.720 --> 00:08:43.399 playing, and then Kansas City it's just Patrick Mahons being Patrick Mahons for the 129 00:08:43.440 --> 00:08:46.120 most part. But did you see some things from Philly that you thought it 130 00:08:46.120 --> 00:08:50.159 would be nice to incorporate some of those ideas, you know, and they're 131 00:08:50.159 --> 00:08:52.720 not letting Jalen Hurts run as much this year, So it's like, will 132 00:08:52.720 --> 00:08:56.360 you watch that offensive past few weeks and I thought, this is very similar. 133 00:08:56.360 --> 00:08:58.159 This is a lot of things that the Bengals do, except for you're 134 00:08:58.200 --> 00:09:01.480 right, the explosive that running back, the athleticism on the offensive line, 135 00:09:01.559 --> 00:09:05.799 and then hurts Ken run if he has to. You know, he is 136 00:09:05.799 --> 00:09:09.320 a good athlete. He's strong too. Strong made critical plays outside of structure 137 00:09:09.960 --> 00:09:15.399 last night Sunday night, and that's that is key. And I thought Paul 138 00:09:15.440 --> 00:09:18.840 Danner's piece when he went over how many like touchdowns were out after two and 139 00:09:18.879 --> 00:09:20.360 a half seconds, and yeah, there was a like week three at that 140 00:09:20.399 --> 00:09:24.879 point when we were really questioning like this this passing offense. And then after 141 00:09:24.919 --> 00:09:26.600 that, you know, which we always knew was true. We've talked about 142 00:09:26.639 --> 00:09:30.559 for years, you have to play outside of structure to really make a difference. 143 00:09:30.639 --> 00:09:33.480 Because quarterback in the league, everyone's throwing at a ninety percent or ninety 144 00:09:33.799 --> 00:09:37.159 quarterback rating. The guys that really separated, the guys that can go outside 145 00:09:37.159 --> 00:09:41.399 of structure and make plays happen. When Burrow couldn't do that, you start 146 00:09:41.399 --> 00:09:43.879 watching it around the league and you go, yeah, man, when that 147 00:09:43.960 --> 00:09:46.440 defense doesn't let that quarterback do it, it really turns that guy into a 148 00:09:46.440 --> 00:09:50.600 pedestrian quarterback. I thought the Bills the last couple two of the last three 149 00:09:50.600 --> 00:09:56.000 weeks against the Jags and then against Patriots, when they didn't let Allen run 150 00:09:56.039 --> 00:09:58.799 and do crazy things and stiff arm and jump over guys and act like a 151 00:09:58.840 --> 00:10:01.720 maniac. I'm like, yeah, man, it's just a regular quarterback. 152 00:10:01.759 --> 00:10:05.480 And here we are that they're losing to teams that they probably should be. 153 00:10:05.600 --> 00:10:09.120 So these are issues throughout the league that I think offenses they're dealing with. 154 00:10:09.519 --> 00:10:13.759 It just became hyper focused because we were just it's you're just waiting for Burrow 155 00:10:13.799 --> 00:10:16.559 to get healthy, because you feel like once he is, they'll be fine, 156 00:10:16.600 --> 00:10:20.519 and they'll figure it out and he'll be able to create outsider structure. 157 00:10:20.279 --> 00:10:24.919 It's just, you know, we had that setback. Let's continue the conversation 158 00:10:24.000 --> 00:10:31.120 with Joe, including some potential solutions coming up next. This episode of Locktow 159 00:10:31.200 --> 00:10:35.879 Bengals sponsor to buy LinkedIn Jobs. 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We've talked 193 00:12:54.799 --> 00:13:01.360 a lot about offensive schematic improvements this team could make with Joe Burrow getting healthier. 194 00:13:03.879 --> 00:13:07.200 They looked really good to start against Seattle, and then things kind of 195 00:13:07.200 --> 00:13:13.080 got off track, what's your in season, your bye week adjustment, your 196 00:13:13.120 --> 00:13:16.840 self scouted adjustment. If you're Brian Callahan, Zach Taylor, and Joe Burrow 197 00:13:16.879 --> 00:13:20.120 getting together and saying, Okay, this is what we can do and this 198 00:13:20.200 --> 00:13:22.399 is something that can make our lives easier on offense. Yeah, because I 199 00:13:22.480 --> 00:13:26.440 do. I do think they're doing some things better than before. And you 200 00:13:26.440 --> 00:13:31.639 know, while the numbers aren't a more percentage of Jamar chasing the slot, 201 00:13:31.679 --> 00:13:35.200 I think there have been much more effective with it. I think the pre 202 00:13:35.279 --> 00:13:39.360 snap motion or motion at the snap. They have incorporated more of that than 203 00:13:39.720 --> 00:13:43.039 I would have expected originally, and you can get a lot of good, 204 00:13:43.120 --> 00:13:45.559 you know, big plays out of it, but also a lot of easy, 205 00:13:46.240 --> 00:13:48.480 chunk eight yard plays out of it, and getting Higgins in the slot 206 00:13:48.519 --> 00:13:52.360 as well. You know, there's been a few opportunities for that where they 207 00:13:52.840 --> 00:13:56.080 will adjust out of the slot, fade and you know, run the stop 208 00:13:56.120 --> 00:14:00.759 rout on it. But I think largely I think everyone's are they going to 209 00:14:00.799 --> 00:14:03.960 get under center and are they going to turn to a power run game at 210 00:14:03.000 --> 00:14:07.159 any point this year or a wide zone and incorporate more that because you really 211 00:14:07.200 --> 00:14:11.960 can't do it out of shotgun, and that's why they incorporated the pistol more 212 00:14:11.000 --> 00:14:15.120 and more, But can you get under center and can you have a more 213 00:14:15.159 --> 00:14:20.159 full fledged running game with more options and more different looks, and because I 214 00:14:20.240 --> 00:14:24.840 think they largely want are running the same things that they normally would run, 215 00:14:24.080 --> 00:14:26.639 but they're limited in how many ways they can show it right, because the 216 00:14:26.679 --> 00:14:31.480 idea is that if you have a core staple of concepts, you're going to 217 00:14:31.639 --> 00:14:33.919 every team runs them, but they're gonna run them out of different looks, 218 00:14:33.960 --> 00:14:37.200 different personnel, different ways to align guys. They'll put a guy in motion 219 00:14:37.360 --> 00:14:39.159 just to get back to where they were earlier on the same play, will 220 00:14:39.200 --> 00:14:43.200 make it look different pre snap, and then run it. So they're doing 221 00:14:43.279 --> 00:14:46.639 all these things, but you have maybe seventy five percent of the playbook available 222 00:14:46.679 --> 00:14:52.080 because the other twenty five percent was and they were a fully shotgun team last 223 00:14:52.120 --> 00:14:54.919 year, so let's not forget that. But they would go under center and 224 00:14:54.000 --> 00:14:56.840 they'd come out of a drive and say, hey, listen, we got 225 00:14:56.840 --> 00:14:58.759 to get the running game going. Let's get under center, Let's get it 226 00:14:58.759 --> 00:15:01.600 to make and let's pomd it. Let's see if we can create something and 227 00:15:01.639 --> 00:15:05.039 then get a shot play from the forty five. I think that part is 228 00:15:05.080 --> 00:15:09.600 still missing for them because there are days where your quarterback just isn't on or 229 00:15:09.720 --> 00:15:11.639 just isn't there, and regardless of injury, and you would like to be 230 00:15:11.720 --> 00:15:15.720 able to say, Okay, today's not our day. This defense is not 231 00:15:15.720 --> 00:15:18.799 giving us any big plays, or they're just the pass rush is winning. 232 00:15:18.240 --> 00:15:22.720 Let's turn to a run game and hand it off, and they really haven't 233 00:15:22.759 --> 00:15:26.679 had the ability to do that. How much of that is the running back 234 00:15:26.759 --> 00:15:31.840 room as a whole, whether it's Joe Mixon or the lack of trust of 235 00:15:31.879 --> 00:15:35.639 the guys behind him. How would you evaluate that situation, because I think 236 00:15:35.720 --> 00:15:39.559 it's it certainly needs to change one way or the other behind Joe mix and 237 00:15:39.600 --> 00:15:43.679 if they're going to be successful, this is probably the worst running back room 238 00:15:43.679 --> 00:15:46.120 in the league right now. I would say from one to four, you 239 00:15:46.120 --> 00:15:50.240 would like more dynamic athletes. You would like guys that could do more in 240 00:15:50.240 --> 00:15:52.919 the passing game. Mixing should be able to do more. He did a 241 00:15:52.919 --> 00:15:56.200 lot last year. For whatever reason, they're not coming back to that. 242 00:15:56.200 --> 00:15:58.559 A lot of that is defense based, too, So you know, I 243 00:15:58.559 --> 00:16:00.720 don't think I think teams right now are saying, hey, go ahead and 244 00:16:00.960 --> 00:16:03.559 prove you can throw these outside vertical balls again, like it was really a 245 00:16:03.559 --> 00:16:07.879 Burrows rookie year and then twenty twenty one when they started that way as well. 246 00:16:07.399 --> 00:16:11.000 So you're not getting as many checkdowns to your running backs. But I 247 00:16:11.039 --> 00:16:14.840 do think if you had a guy that can make people miss more often break 248 00:16:14.879 --> 00:16:17.679 long runs, you would see adjustments in the defense, and I think you 249 00:16:17.679 --> 00:16:21.519 would see a higher success rate of running and maybe get some explosives, and 250 00:16:21.600 --> 00:16:23.080 maybe they would turn and lean on the run game a little bit more. 251 00:16:23.399 --> 00:16:26.519 I think Mixon is still a serviceable player. Well, you don't have a 252 00:16:26.919 --> 00:16:30.679 contrasting backup or somebody that you are even willing to give it to, because 253 00:16:30.720 --> 00:16:34.679 Mixing's playing at an incredible high rate right now. They if they keep running 254 00:16:34.679 --> 00:16:37.240 them like this, we're going to see three games at towards the midpoint or 255 00:16:37.320 --> 00:16:40.600 end of the year where we're like, hey, it's Travan Williams, Chase 256 00:16:40.600 --> 00:16:42.039 Brown, and Chris Sevens because they don't have anyone else because they rain Mixing 257 00:16:42.120 --> 00:16:45.600 into the dirt through the first twelve weeks of the year. So you know, 258 00:16:45.600 --> 00:16:48.080 I don't want to get to that point. They need to figure out 259 00:16:48.080 --> 00:16:53.200 who else can help this team outside of the running game, which obviously, 260 00:16:53.279 --> 00:16:56.600 look at the teams that are successful in the league right now, they can 261 00:16:57.039 --> 00:17:03.159 run the ball. They can probably they can run the ball well enough to 262 00:17:03.480 --> 00:17:06.480 get teams to react to it. I think the Chiefs are probably the only 263 00:17:06.519 --> 00:17:11.200 exception to that. It feels like the weapons have been a letdown too. 264 00:17:11.599 --> 00:17:15.799 Outside of running back. You look at the receivers not named Jamar Chase and 265 00:17:15.799 --> 00:17:21.359 everybody's numbers. And I did a thread on this after the Week six game 266 00:17:21.799 --> 00:17:26.359 are down this year for some metric that I think is important. We talked 267 00:17:26.359 --> 00:17:30.039 about Tyler Boyd's yards per catch, but also his first down rate is half 268 00:17:30.079 --> 00:17:34.240 of what it had been. T Higgins catch rate is like half of what 269 00:17:34.319 --> 00:17:40.000 it had been. They're not getting virtually anything from the tight end position. 270 00:17:41.440 --> 00:17:44.039 So we can talk about scheme, we can talk about run game, we 271 00:17:44.039 --> 00:17:45.640 can talk about this and that. We can talk about Joe Burrow, but 272 00:17:47.640 --> 00:17:49.720 what about the skill guys, Joe, Yeah, they need to step it 273 00:17:49.799 --> 00:17:52.240 up, but if they can, you know, I think there is a 274 00:17:52.519 --> 00:17:57.200 symbiotic relationship obviously between the quarterback and receivers and weapons. Right when we've seen 275 00:17:57.200 --> 00:18:00.599 it when Andy Dalton was in there times quarter our receivers will come out of 276 00:18:00.640 --> 00:18:03.880 their breaks and their arms are extended, eyes wide because they don't know where 277 00:18:03.880 --> 00:18:07.240 the ball placement is going to because he was a ratic at times, right, 278 00:18:07.440 --> 00:18:11.519 So, and you see this now with Higgins coming out and double clutching 279 00:18:11.559 --> 00:18:15.000 things on the sideline and double catching them. And even saw with Jamar Chase, 280 00:18:15.000 --> 00:18:17.599 even though he's had big days he's had, he's double caught a lot 281 00:18:17.599 --> 00:18:19.839 of passes. And I think that happens when you're not getting the practice time 282 00:18:21.279 --> 00:18:25.640 or you know for the last month of camp in preseason you're going with bad 283 00:18:25.720 --> 00:18:27.480 quarterbacks. We talked about this plenty of times with Simeon and Browning, but 284 00:18:29.079 --> 00:18:30.759 your trust in where the ball is going to be at the right time, 285 00:18:30.839 --> 00:18:34.039 at the right place starts to get eroded pretty quickly. Now you can build 286 00:18:34.039 --> 00:18:37.480 it up pretty back pretty quickly, and they've got enough reps with Burrow through 287 00:18:37.519 --> 00:18:41.839 the previous years. But you definitely saw it had an effect on these guys, 288 00:18:41.279 --> 00:18:44.720 and you would think it would get corrected, and it's something you could 289 00:18:44.799 --> 00:18:48.599 easily correct. But you're you're right, because this should be the strength of 290 00:18:48.640 --> 00:18:51.720 the team, the receiving cores and the weapons should be like, hey, 291 00:18:51.799 --> 00:18:53.839 we've got the three best in the league. They shouldn't be averaging five yards 292 00:18:53.839 --> 00:18:59.559 per ten towards them, right, It shouldn't be a seventeen percent contested catchwrate. 293 00:18:59.640 --> 00:19:02.359 To Tea Higgins, these are balls you go one on one with. 294 00:19:02.480 --> 00:19:06.000 It should never have been the defense's game to win against Seattle, that one 295 00:19:06.039 --> 00:19:10.119 on one go shot on third down to T Higgins that he gets the past 296 00:19:10.119 --> 00:19:12.440 interference on take away the past inference, he still did not come down with 297 00:19:12.480 --> 00:19:15.039 the contested ball that would hit him right in the hands. Both fans like 298 00:19:15.079 --> 00:19:18.039 these have to be caught. That has to happen or else this team. 299 00:19:18.160 --> 00:19:22.400 Let's say this continues where Boyd maybe he's spent. Maybe that's it. Maybe 300 00:19:22.440 --> 00:19:26.680 we've reached the end of talerboids of really high level effectiveness and whatever's going on 301 00:19:26.720 --> 00:19:30.680 with t last the entire year, this offense is going to have a hard 302 00:19:30.680 --> 00:19:34.720 time getting back on track. If that's the case, that's scary, and 303 00:19:36.279 --> 00:19:40.160 let's discuss some potential solutions for that. And yeah, we do need to 304 00:19:40.160 --> 00:19:42.599 talk a little bit about the defense as well as Locked on. Bengals offense 305 00:19:44.079 --> 00:19:49.480 rolls off this episode of a Locked On Bengals is brought to you by Game 306 00:19:49.559 --> 00:19:52.240 Time. If you're looking for tickets, maybe you're looking for tickets to that 307 00:19:52.279 --> 00:19:56.720 Bills game. Prime Time action. 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Again, if the offensive line levels up and Burrow doesn't, 342 00:22:25.759 --> 00:22:27.920 it's not going to work. If the receivers don't, but the offensive line, 343 00:22:27.960 --> 00:22:32.640 it's still probably won't work. So I think we're okay. I do 344 00:22:34.240 --> 00:22:37.519 you're mute to Joe? Oh there, I was gonna say, isn't it 345 00:22:37.599 --> 00:22:41.519 a good thing to finally not talk about the offensive line. It's not a 346 00:22:41.559 --> 00:22:45.000 major issue. We can't agree, we'll talk about it, but it's still 347 00:22:45.039 --> 00:22:49.079 not a major issue though, Jake, is not a major issue compared to 348 00:22:49.160 --> 00:22:52.519 some of the other things we've talked about, which is a good point. 349 00:22:52.599 --> 00:22:56.079 James, No, I mean you're right. I mean you're right. If 350 00:22:56.079 --> 00:22:59.799 the offensive line is better and these other things don't get better, it's probably 351 00:22:59.880 --> 00:23:03.799 not as far as the skill guys. I think it's largely they just have 352 00:23:03.880 --> 00:23:07.559 to play better. Maybe that is Joe Burrow playing better. Like you said, 353 00:23:07.640 --> 00:23:11.759 Joe, that that symbiotic relationship between quarterback consistency and being on the same 354 00:23:11.799 --> 00:23:15.000 page with the receivers and getting the reps. Part of it could also be 355 00:23:15.079 --> 00:23:18.960 do we see more Yosavash? Do we see more Charlie Jones as their rookie 356 00:23:18.000 --> 00:23:22.720 years go on? And they've both shown some things. Charlie Jones was ready 357 00:23:22.759 --> 00:23:26.079 to have a bigger role in the offense before he got hurt. It was 358 00:23:26.400 --> 00:23:32.759 certainly trending that way. And Yosavash has earned some playbook pages. Let's say 359 00:23:32.799 --> 00:23:34.920 they've drawn some things up for him, they haven't gotten to all of them. 360 00:23:36.240 --> 00:23:40.359 That could be part of the solution to any closing thoughts there Joe and 361 00:23:40.400 --> 00:23:42.559 the skill guys before we transition to the defense. No, I agree, 362 00:23:42.599 --> 00:23:47.240 the speed is something they definitely need on offense. You know, as good 363 00:23:47.240 --> 00:23:49.000 as they are, it's really only Jamar Chase that you feel like you could 364 00:23:49.000 --> 00:23:52.240 throw a screen to and he's going to make somebody miss or go deep and 365 00:23:52.599 --> 00:23:56.279 you know, just break it between two safeties and take it all the way. 366 00:23:56.480 --> 00:23:57.799 It's been that way for the last few years. And when they drafted 367 00:23:57.880 --> 00:24:02.960 Charlie Jones and Yoshiba and Chase Brown, we said, hey, at the 368 00:24:03.079 --> 00:24:06.599 very least day three picks, but you injected some speed. Well let's see 369 00:24:06.599 --> 00:24:07.559 it. Well, you know, I'm when healthy and when you can, 370 00:24:07.640 --> 00:24:14.279 but let's see it. Yeah. I think that's when you look at potential 371 00:24:14.359 --> 00:24:18.359 solutions. And I'm not sure we'll have time to do this today, but 372 00:24:18.440 --> 00:24:22.240 we will hopefully on our next show talk about trade deadline and everything involved in 373 00:24:22.279 --> 00:24:29.039 that. They need these in house guys to step up. And on defense, 374 00:24:29.720 --> 00:24:32.720 they've had their young guys step up, Dax Hill, DJ Turner, 375 00:24:32.880 --> 00:24:36.039 Cam Taylor britt All, first and second year guys. Guess what there is 376 00:24:36.079 --> 00:24:40.960 advertised from their speed to their playmaking. To DJ Turner, I don't know 377 00:24:41.000 --> 00:24:44.640 if a balls came his way. There's been a couple, but there haven't 378 00:24:44.640 --> 00:24:48.559 been many completed, and so they need that on offense and right now they're 379 00:24:48.599 --> 00:24:52.759 just they're not getting it. And that includes the tight end position. Obviously 380 00:24:52.799 --> 00:24:56.400 that invest a draft pick, but there hasn't been anyone there that's given them 381 00:24:56.400 --> 00:25:00.279 anything. Yeah, Erv Smith is as young as their draft picks that they 382 00:25:00.319 --> 00:25:02.880 made, So I mean, you could still hope for some upside there and 383 00:25:02.920 --> 00:25:07.200 he there's been nothing. You're right, and he dropped two passes and largely 384 00:25:07.680 --> 00:25:10.079 been ignored. I like, when I watch the tape, I don't have 385 00:25:10.119 --> 00:25:12.440 an issue with IRV Smith running routes or anything like that. I don't have 386 00:25:12.480 --> 00:25:15.640 an issue with his speed and agility. I never thought he was some dynamic 387 00:25:15.720 --> 00:25:19.000 player to begin with. But what I'm watching, I just go down and 388 00:25:19.039 --> 00:25:22.720 they're kind of just back passing him in the offense right now. Yeah, 389 00:25:22.799 --> 00:25:27.319 is it a trust thing? That's my concern, honestly. Yeah. And 390 00:25:27.319 --> 00:25:30.799 I wonder the same thing because he there was plays even earlier in the season. 391 00:25:32.200 --> 00:25:34.480 I think the contrast of Tanner Hudson getting in and like instantly he's throwing 392 00:25:34.480 --> 00:25:37.039 a Tanner Hudson on third down, You're like, what, But there was 393 00:25:37.079 --> 00:25:41.759 plays where Mitch will Cox is opening it looks like Burrow just completely bypasses him 394 00:25:41.880 --> 00:25:45.359 because he's a step late. The release is different, he turns a different 395 00:25:45.359 --> 00:25:48.680 angle, and it's like Burrow, if you don't do it exactly, he's 396 00:25:48.720 --> 00:25:52.400 just gonna skip right over you. In the progression Joe Burrow does have Mitchell 397 00:25:52.480 --> 00:25:56.359 Cox's blindness, we can talk about that safely. He does not. Mitchell 398 00:25:56.400 --> 00:25:59.799 Cox has been open a number of times and he's not gotten the target. 399 00:25:59.799 --> 00:26:02.279 But look at it, like you said, Tanner Hudson had six targets in 400 00:26:02.319 --> 00:26:06.519 two games, Earth Smith has eleven targets in four games. Why is the 401 00:26:06.559 --> 00:26:11.039 ball finding these guys not always our Smith's fault? Like leak in week six, 402 00:26:11.200 --> 00:26:15.759 John Williams gives up the pressure. But anyway, defense, Joe, 403 00:26:15.759 --> 00:26:21.880 any concerns outside of for me, the big one is the interior backups. 404 00:26:22.920 --> 00:26:27.119 I feel pretty good about the way things are trending in the secondary where it's 405 00:26:27.119 --> 00:26:33.200 not perfect, but I think it's going in the right direction. But thinking 406 00:26:33.200 --> 00:26:40.599 about Zach Carter and Josh Tupo and teams being able to take advantage of that. 407 00:26:41.599 --> 00:26:45.640 It's just been such a theme for the defense. And we've been talking 408 00:26:45.640 --> 00:26:48.759 about the defensive tackle position now for a few years because you know, if 409 00:26:48.799 --> 00:26:52.160 you remember when d ger Rider was signed and it's like, well, Tino 410 00:26:52.200 --> 00:26:55.039 Aikins got hurt the next year and it's then, well they need another guy, 411 00:26:55.079 --> 00:26:56.640 and they trade for b J. Hill and Networks and Ogan Jobey was 412 00:26:56.640 --> 00:27:00.559 a roller coaster, what effective And they lose him in free agency and it's 413 00:27:00.559 --> 00:27:03.920 like, okay, that year they got to draft a dtackle. They need 414 00:27:03.960 --> 00:27:07.079 a third guy, and they drafted Zach Carter in the third round, and 415 00:27:07.079 --> 00:27:10.240 we'll go, okay, well, fine, let's see what happens in a 416 00:27:10.319 --> 00:27:11.519 year or so. And we're here a year later and it's like, yeah, 417 00:27:11.559 --> 00:27:15.000 he's still the same guy and maybe even worse somehow. I don't know 418 00:27:15.039 --> 00:27:18.720 how that happened. He was at least serviceable against the run last year and 419 00:27:18.759 --> 00:27:23.079 now he's getting washed out in double teams and this nap and yeah, the 420 00:27:23.359 --> 00:27:29.920 amount of snaps that are being forced upon Reader and Hill because you don't trust 421 00:27:29.960 --> 00:27:32.759 your backups. And then even when they do say okay, this drive or 422 00:27:32.799 --> 00:27:33.759 we got to the you know, it's been six plays, let's throw of 423 00:27:33.759 --> 00:27:37.319 the backups in for four plays or whatever it is, it's immediately noticeable. 424 00:27:37.400 --> 00:27:41.319 When you're watching, You're like, oh my god, yeah, six yeard 425 00:27:41.359 --> 00:27:45.160 run. Yeah the backup the tackles are and I start getting frustrated watching because 426 00:27:45.160 --> 00:27:48.039 you know instantly that they're in the game. And the same could be said 427 00:27:48.079 --> 00:27:51.319 for the pass rushers on the edge too. We haven't seen a side back 428 00:27:51.400 --> 00:27:53.559 yet. Hopefully it looked like he was trending that way. He doesn't look 429 00:27:53.599 --> 00:27:56.960 as bursty yet. He we haven't seen him kick inside other than one snap, 430 00:27:57.039 --> 00:28:00.480 so we need to see if he can help there. The positive was 431 00:28:00.480 --> 00:28:03.960 cam Sample had a few nice wins on the inside. Maybe we see more 432 00:28:04.000 --> 00:28:07.599 of that, but still like if I will talk about how they can fix 433 00:28:07.599 --> 00:28:11.960 some of these things and get better and maybe some trade targets, I'd be 434 00:28:11.039 --> 00:28:15.839 with a defensive tackle completely. I think I don't think you can have a 435 00:28:15.920 --> 00:28:18.200 truly effective pass rush. I'm surprised there a pass rush has been as good 436 00:28:18.200 --> 00:28:22.960 as it is and for Hendrickson to do what he's doing only rushing from right 437 00:28:23.000 --> 00:28:27.000 defense then and getting almost no help inside Other than that, I mean, 438 00:28:27.720 --> 00:28:30.440 Hill and Reader have accumulated a couple of sacks, but they're playing almost every 439 00:28:30.480 --> 00:28:37.079 snap, but a consistent push or a threat to penetrate that pocket really isn't 440 00:28:37.119 --> 00:28:38.480 there from those two. They do their job, and they do it well, 441 00:28:40.079 --> 00:28:41.640 but you know what I'm saying, I'll say it. Readers have gun 442 00:28:41.720 --> 00:28:45.880 sort of been. A couple of sacks have come because he's erased escape planes 443 00:28:45.039 --> 00:28:48.880 and there's no place for quarterbacks to step up. So I'll just throw that 444 00:28:48.880 --> 00:28:52.319 out there. Sorry, James, No, it's all right. I think 445 00:28:52.359 --> 00:28:59.440 it's a good good time to tease out of solutions trades ideas. I honestly, 446 00:28:59.559 --> 00:29:02.200 I think that's where we're at. I mean, everyone's going to agree 447 00:29:02.200 --> 00:29:04.599 that the secondary has been pretty good and they're going to crap on Nick Scott. 448 00:29:04.640 --> 00:29:07.440 We'll see if he can figure it out and play better over the final 449 00:29:07.480 --> 00:29:11.240 eleven. But that's outside of Nick Scott. What are you going to complain 450 00:29:11.279 --> 00:29:15.400 about? You know? I think that the that that it's really caught. 451 00:29:18.680 --> 00:29:22.039 Yeah, sure, yeah. With trick plays. Jake is on the trick 452 00:29:22.079 --> 00:29:25.279 play train. I didn't buy it early. And he mentioned it in a 453 00:29:25.319 --> 00:29:27.559 crossover I don't know, week three maybe, and I'm like, come on, 454 00:29:27.680 --> 00:29:30.920 it's only week three, and then of course they get beat. It 455 00:29:30.960 --> 00:29:34.240 was it was going into the Tennessee game. It was week four. Every 456 00:29:34.240 --> 00:29:37.960 time the team has dialed up at trick play, the Bagels have lost to 457 00:29:38.039 --> 00:29:41.519 the trick play. That doesn't always mean it's been completed, because the quarterbacks 458 00:29:41.559 --> 00:29:45.640 have miss him throws on like flea flickers and stuff like that. But uh, 459 00:29:47.440 --> 00:29:49.119 I will say this one thing, I was really impressed with against Seattle 460 00:29:49.200 --> 00:29:53.240 was I thought the play action disciplined. The defense in general against Seattle was 461 00:29:53.400 --> 00:29:59.200 way more disciplined in terms of backside stuff, in terms of what where they've 462 00:29:59.200 --> 00:30:02.000 been gashed by a couple runs on cutbacks, in terms of play actions, 463 00:30:02.039 --> 00:30:04.920 staying home doing their job kind of stuff that Marvin Lewis is, do your 464 00:30:06.000 --> 00:30:11.400 job. That's something I think has improved for the defense. There's still some 465 00:30:11.440 --> 00:30:17.119 concern about getting beat over the top where those haven't all been completed, but 466 00:30:17.599 --> 00:30:21.799 there are a couple of instances where they're getting beat over the top and they 467 00:30:21.880 --> 00:30:26.920 haven't been punished for it consistently. We're against better quarterbacks, you probably need 468 00:30:26.960 --> 00:30:30.480 to clean that up a little bit more than they have. And tackling, 469 00:30:30.680 --> 00:30:33.279 it was better against Seattle. Lou and Rimo seem pleased with it, but 470 00:30:33.319 --> 00:30:37.079 it was still soft. There were some soft tackles where there were some yards 471 00:30:37.119 --> 00:30:41.640 gained after contact where you would like to see that be a little bit better 472 00:30:41.720 --> 00:30:45.599 too. But we'll as to talk about some solutions here this week and we'll 473 00:30:45.640 --> 00:30:51.000 get to some trade targets stuff like that. Because the Bengals aren't back of 474 00:30:51.039 --> 00:30:55.039 practice until Wednesday, anyway, so stay tuned, we'll go there on our 475 00:30:55.079 --> 00:31:00.640 next episode here on Lockdown Bengals. Go check out Joe Goodbarry Stuff Bengals on 476 00:31:00.680 --> 00:31:03.279 the brand. You can find it on YouTube. A couple of film breakdown 477 00:31:03.359 --> 00:31:07.839 pieces per week. Does great work with first Star logistics over there on YouTube. 478 00:31:07.920 --> 00:31:11.680 Until next time, thanks for listening to this episode of the Lockdown Bengals 479 00:31:11.680 --> 00:31:15.279 podcast. Who Day, and have a good one.