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Big food and be on with Cliff
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Always keep it sclidgy and now your
hosts Cliff Berkman and James Bobo Fay.

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Good morning, Bobo. How are
you doing? Good morning, Cliff,

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I'm good. How are you doing? All right? Upstairs at the

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shop? Another great day at the
North American big Foot Center. Interesting people

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are coming in. It's been a
heck of a week. It's the middle

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of July. Jo lies the best
month of the year. We get a

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lot more traffic, which is of
course is good for business, but it's

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good for other things as well,
like big foot stuff. There's been stuff

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going on in the local woods.
Some footprints have been cast. M gonna

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go out there today after work to
go check out an area again. Um

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yeah, good stuff, man,
cool Yeah. I got out to a

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happy camp and side valley, got
out up there, didn't have any had

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some excitement. It was not excitement. I wasn't excited, but I mean

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I definitely had my attention focused on. We were camped on the side of

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a real steep mountain and there was
a good nice creek from and I had

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some benches, you know, some
level or spots which you need because they're

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not gonna be on just vertical walls
hanging out. But it was like a

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green spot and burnt out. Eric
to that area. Have you been down

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there since it's burnt out? I
was down there last September. I think,

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oh, so you saw like just
how ravage that place. It's miles

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and miles, like whole mountains were
like miles just torch. Oh yeah,

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yeah, I did go over the
pass. You know what does that pass?

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The O'Brien Pass O'Brien goes to that
goes to Happy Camp. We went

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the one out of a side valley
that goes to the PCT, the present

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of Crest Trail that goes over to
Applegate and Oregon. All right, well

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I just went over the O'Brien Pass
and it was pretty burnt out up on

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top of there too, I remember, right, yeah, side valley is

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even worse. But yeah, O'Brian's
burnt out pass. I'm going up there

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this week again. I got Bart
coming in two days, and then my

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buddy Dummy, he's coming up.
He's a professional recording guy. He's an

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audio engineer. Sounds like a genius. Well, we called he got named.

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We were on tour like with BDJ, like Big Dumb Josh and Bargain

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Music guys. When we were on
tour and sounded Urchin. We were in

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a parking lot. He was like
eighteen, I think our nineteen he was.

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He was doing this sound and we
were on a parking lot. We're

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like going into a hotel or something
and we're all sitting there just talking and

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he goes walking off and he walks
right in front of a car and gets

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hit first day of the tour.
And so he just got the name dummy.

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Yeah he earned it then, Yeah
he does. I saw my other

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body the day he hooked me up. Um, he's a clothing store manager.

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He had these uh clean those cool
pants were like the Kuhl pants,

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the cool pants that brand. Huh
yeah, he got me a sick deal.

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Dude, Like I got new pants
like twenty bucks each. And I

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was like, I was like,
I want to tell the clip that and

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I'm like and I was like how. I was like, he's gonna love

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this guy's name. His names flat
Earth, Andy, flat Earth, and

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well, most of your friends have
an adjective or something or some sort of

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strange nown and then their proper nown. I get him all of those names

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too, usually although one guy has
his name and then the like Jesse legend,

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so that he kind of flip flopped
a that for a little variety.

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That's nice. Yeah, so yeah, I get now. So he's bringing

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like a portable recording uh set up, and he's so we're gonna meet him

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and Barter are gonna go out and
do a little squats. And then we

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got Larry's memorial on Saturday, and
then I got to do a live call

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in to the Smoking Out in Bigfoot
conference. They're doing a Bobo lookalike contest.

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I hope you win. It's gonna
be a fat Bobo and now bobo,

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so there's gonna be two categories.
I don't know. I don't know

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if people even know about it,
if they're how many people only be like

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one or two people to even show
up forks out. I don't think people

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really know about it. I don't
know. I don't know. I mean

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I put it out on my I
didn't put it out. I didn't put

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the Bobo lookalike contest on my Facebook. But the people are going to the

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gig. I have a lot of
people, you know, because I'm speaking

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there. Moneymaker is going to be
there, Matt Prue, It's going to

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be at my table, Selma's book
and autograph copies of his book. Rene's

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I think going to be there as
well. Yeah. So this should be

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pretty well attended. And I think
that people at the end of the day

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like they'll join the Bobo lookalike contest, whether they look like Bobo or not.

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Oh, I forgot to mention I
did make it to Ape Canyon and

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back. Oh yeah, I got
a message from Mark Marcel saying I missed

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it, but I can go with
them when he goes in September. Yeah.

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It's not an easy walk, man, I'll tell you. And you

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know, I've been down to the
cabin site. I was down there in

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two thousan fifteen Craig Flippy and I
when Mark and Brad went down there,

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and and I didn't get all the
way down to the cabin site this time,

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because I guess just old age overtok
me. I got about two thirds

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of the way to down and there
was this one point where Mark, you

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know, Mark and Brad have been
down there half dozen or eight times apiece,

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right, um, And there's this
one point you got to tie off

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to this weird tree that's hard to
get to and you just like to kind

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of walk over the edge. And
I couldn't see where I was going,

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and I said, you know what, man, I've been down there,

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screw this. And what really did
it for me is I was on this

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this this knob at about thirty thirty
degree slope or something like that. It's

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all gravelly. There's a twenty five
foot drop to this other slope down below,

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and that's where we had to go. And I'm there and I'm looking

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and there's there's a little gully I
guess between these two knobs that we had

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to drop off into that I couldn't
see the bottom of. And you know,

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fear is always about which you can't
what you don't know right, or

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if you really know it. Well, if I really knew it, I

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would have, like like Mark and
Brad, I would have gone down basically.

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But I've only been down there once
and it was eight years ago or

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something. I mean, if it
really does something, I mean, if

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you really know something, might have
a real good reason to have fear.

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Well, that's true. That's true. Yeah, And actually I was as

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Mark went down, because Mark is
fearless, dude, he is feared.

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He's insane, man. And then
the Brad's up there and Brad's done it

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eight nine, ten times, and
I go, Brad, what the hell

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are we doing? He goes,
I don't know, man, why why?

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Why don't we do this? Why
do we do this? I don't

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understand it. I don't like this
either. Well he's nuts, oh he's

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yeah, Brad's totally nuts too,
but he did it. But I was

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looking down like the ravine that we
had to go down into with ropes and

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I and we don't have harnesses.
We just have a rope. You know.

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This isn't like some sort of organized
thing. This is a Mark Marcelle

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production. You know. The guy
doesn't even match his socks by color,

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you know. And I love the
guy. And that's not a slam,

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that's just part of his charm.
I'm looking down in this gully and I

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look across the gully and I kid
you, not on the other knob,

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like the equal knob where I was, but directly across mountain goats. Mountain

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goats are there, like on this
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terrain looking at us, and it's
like I can almost see their thought bubbles,

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like what are you doing here?
And so I turned around and had

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to scramble back up. And so
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or more. It's a nine hundred
foot drop between where we tie off above

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and the cabin site. So I
got down about well, actually I probably

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got down him maybe one hundred fifty
feet above the cabin site, but it's

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only a hundred horizontal feet, but
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foot drop at least from there.
So I scrambled back up like gallum or

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something like that, crawling to the
minds of Maria, and without ropes because

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they tied off the ropes, I
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way back up, and I didn't
want to screw them, so I crawled

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up without ropes for most of it, which is probably a dumb mistake,

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but I'm alive. It was exhausting. I was gonna be one heck of

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a video for the museum members,
I'll tell you that. But apparently it's

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probably a good thing I didn't go
because Mark and Brad. The only thing

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of interest that they discovered is that, um, well, they discovered a

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couple of things, but the best
thing of interest is that where Mark thought

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the spring was but couldn't verify it
because there's never any water there. There

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was water in it this time.
Okay, we know that the spring was

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about seventy five feet from the cabin
and there was this this runoff area,

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and Mark just always assumed that the
hydrology had changed with the eruption in nineteen

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eighty. Oh, so I could
see that. Yeah, it's good.

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It was a very reasonable assumption,
right, But this time there was like

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a I guess a rock bowl that
was filled with water, so that that

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kind of verifies. Oh, that
is the spring that they initially saw the

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Sasquatch at and then took a shot
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draw then over a ridge. So
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from the how far from the cabin? Was it seventy five didn't we think

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it was like a quarter or a
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no, it's a different spring.
That spring I mentioned to you on the

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podcast a little while ago. That's
where we have to get water like humans

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nowadays, you know, like not
these inhuman monsters that were these miners at

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the time, because these miners were
badasses. There's just no other way to

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put it. They were just made
of different stuff. They were pioneers essentially.

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The fact that they would go down
there and that it's just insane what

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they were doing and building down there. Oh, I know, building.

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Oh that's another thing too. So
when they built the cabin, they felled

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trees above the cabin up slope from
the cabin. Because the cabin isn't even

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on a flat piece of land.
It's on a slope as well. There

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are no flat pieces of land there. Mark was going to try to sleep

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there, but he said there was
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a flat piece of land down there
to lay down. That that's how crazy

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this place is. And these guys
are just working down there all the time.

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But the trees above the cabin site
the cabin's not there, mind you.

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The cabin is down. I mean
who those the eruption perhaps claimed it.

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But the support beams that were like
the foundational support beams were there and

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they located another one so they so
and the support beams were also buried again

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they were we kind of dug down
with our hands and got a good look

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at him in twenty fifteen, and
I know Mark has seen them a couple

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other times, but they're buried.
This time. They were buried under several

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inches of dirt. So the mountain
is trying to reclaim it. The tree

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stumps above the cabin that they made
the cabin out of. You know,

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they cut down the tree stumps above
the cabin so they fall down into the

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site and that you don't have to
haul them very far. That's just how

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they built cabins back in the day. They're also buried under rubble and regrowth

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of vine maple. So Mark,
I mean I talked to Mark when he

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got out now well because we are
a camping together for days, but he

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would not have been able to discover
the cabin site if he went this year

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because none of the visible markers are
there. Yeah, so it's ninety nine

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years later. We were there from
the ninety ninth anniversary of the Ape Canyon

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attack, and he wouldn't and it
just would not have been able to be

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observed these stumps and whatever else.
Yeah, So that was the big find

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basically that you can't see anything,
and there's this that we end. Mark

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located the spring, so that was
pretty cool. Yeah, that's way cool,

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and I'm so glad they went in
twenty fifteen. Yeah. No,

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Mark's been going there pretty much every
year since twenty thirteen, so he,

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I mean, he's very familiar with
it. He knows the route down,

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he can all that sort of stuff. And you know, I imagine that

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if I would go, if I
were to go back now that I've been

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down it, I would go,
oh, yeah, okay, I know

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how to do this. But God
had been eight or nine years or eight

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years since I've been down there,
and I'm thinking, you know, what,

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what am I doing? As I
said in the podcast a couple of

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weeks ago, I will never forgive
my wife for giving me a reason to

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live me too. Gosh, Darnie, Melissa, I've rid of this guy.

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Wasn't for you, chick. I
would have gone to the Ape Candy

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A site for no reason. Again, it wasn't for you, but anyway,

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yeah it was. It was a
great adventure. I'm gonna make a

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gonna piece together a video for the
museum members because we do those videos twice

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a month. It should be pretty
cool. And by the way, I

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edited together the video with you coming
out with me Bob's I saw it.

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Oh that I give it to you. Good good. It's on paton.

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Oh that's right, it's on our
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Yeah, and I'm going to edit
together another one as well. Um,

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you know for that when we went
to that second spot where we got the

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hand prints and I showed you that. So that's going to be the new

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video for July as well. So
maybe i'll maybe I'll share that with the

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B and B patrons as well,
just to you know, be generous to

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all of our patrons, Museum or
big Foot and Beyond. You know,

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you've gotten better at track, and
chiefly because I know when we first started

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going out, I know I was
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But you've gotten really good. Well. I try to pay attention.

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It's a it's all about time spent, you know, it is. Yeah,

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because I don't I don't practice it
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you got to really work at it. Yeah, I just got to

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do it, you know. And
I think also being around so many casts

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all the time has got to help, because um, the footprint casts have

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really shown me a lot about how
feet Sasquatch feed particular interact with the substrate.

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Reading casts is a skill all to
its own. It's separate than tracking,

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although I think it contributes to tracking
ability. But I think just surrounding

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myself with the data has done a
tremendous amount for me over the years.

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You know, Yeah, I mean
just look at you're, Like when I

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go to your house, you showing
those ones. It's like it's all little

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drops and knowledge. Yeah. Yeah, and like had double strikes and how

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the Sasquatch foot interacts with the substrate. Like one of these things that I

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was just talking to this police officer
about. I've got this police officer who's

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really interested in dramaticlypics, and I'm
trying to give them data to analyze.

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One of the things that I've noticed
in several Sasquatch prints, like probably five

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or six Sasquatch prints, and I've
personally found is that the toes sometimes shove

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into the substrate in front of the
cast, like if there's like a little

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mound or something, which kind of
tells me how their feet come down a

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little bit, you know, because
that's a that's not a direct down or

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even a diagonally down sort of thing. For the most part, it really

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has to have a forward movement to
the toes in order for the toes to

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impress into the substrate in front of
the impression, making these little caves for

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the toes, you know, which
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ways. But also and then of
course when they pull out, they seem

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to have a slight backwards direction and
then lift up, which makes sense because

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if the heels lifting off the ground
and the entire forefront is in contact with

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the ground, you know, from
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that makes sense. And then of
course that's also where the ridge comes from.

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That everybody's familiar with the mid tarsal
pressure ridge. That it does push

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backwards ever so slightly, like a
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most, and then lifts up.
It's kind of it's it's a very very

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subtle little thing that I've noticed over
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this in the footprint cast, but
you can really see it when you see

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an impression in the ground in front
of you. Right. Remember, Paul

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Graves had pretty good pictures of the
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and then you figure out those when
it makes those little tunnels though,

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like those are way prone to collapse
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like if there's any disturbance as a
little digs in that that's just going

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to collapse and fill in. Usually
it seems like, you know, making

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it harder even harder to identify sasquatch, right, because then it's like just

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loose dirt on top. She's like, well, this isn't packed down.

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And I'll tell you Sasquatch prints.
I was under the impression, for no

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pun intended, for a long long
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and all this other stuff. And
it says, yeah, yeah, sometimes

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if it's wet, yeah, when
it when it's wet. And but I

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think they purposely avoid walking in such
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it's a reasonable hypothesis, you know. Um, but they're not all deep,

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man, like most of the most
of the Sasquatch prints that I've seen

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in the last ten years a very
shallow. Um. We have a great

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cast by one of the one of
the one of the greatest unsung heroes in

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all big Foot Lori Joe Hamilton m
she she cast a print, a beautiful

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just a beautiful Sasquatch print, and
we have it on the wall in the

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museum right behind the counter there as
a learning aid. I mean, I

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mean, I own the original.
She gave me permission to sell and all

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that stuff. I sell those,
but I've only sold one, and like

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the three and a half four years
at the museum's been open, because it

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doesn't look like anything to the untrained
eye. But when I say, well

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look at this, how can people
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Well look at this one on the
wall. And I said, that's

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a beautiful Sasquatch print. And I
can see their puzzled look and they don't

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want to say anything that they don't
see what I'm talking about. Best part

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of the learning process. And then
I point out, like look at this,

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there's the heel, there's the toes. You can see it now,

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I say, oh my god,
I can't see it. Sasquatch prints are

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very very subtle. Everything about these
animals is subtle. Those early investigators you

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know, from Bluff Creek and Green
into Hindon and all those, but oh,

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the super deep it must be very
very heavy and all the sudden.

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the obvious prints, and the vast
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a variety of reasons. First and
foremost, where they choose to walk,

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and probably maybe that's not first and
foremost, it might be second and the

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second most. First and foremost the
big, soft, squishy nature of their

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their feet, right, well,
you know, we know they don't.

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you know, year round with them, they get them and then like

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it's it's you know, winner or
whatever. It's whenever the time of year

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you get rained, like monsoons and
other places in the summer, like when

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it's the dry season, everything's bone
and dry. They will walk right up

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an approach on logging roads or dirt
roads were in the like when it's they're

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gonna leave tracts, they won't.
They won't walk that way, they won't

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come in that way. I mean, they definitely are definitely conscious of their

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footprints. Yeah, I cast or
they just don't give a don't give a

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crap at all and just go through
whatever and things that we don't even think

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about. Um. And the reason
I say that is I cast a footprint

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in May up outside of Port Angelis
and m on the on the property owner

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that we had on the podcast.
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because he hadn't been there since December. He's a snowbird now, it lives

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during the winter months. He's done
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a footprint on his property in May. And I was walking along the muddy

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Creek because a couple hundred yards above
his house, and I say, can

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all of this is where if there's
mudprints, this is where it's going to

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be. And I did find footprints, but they weren't in the mud.

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They weren't in the ferns next to
the mud. Yeah, so like it

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could have walked in the mud and
gave me a beautiful impression. But I

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walked through the ferns, which was
luckily muddy, and I got I got

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a couple of toes and a really
nice impression of a pretty large foot like

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sixteen inches or more, really neat
cast. But it was walking through the

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ferns either to avoid the mud,
so it didn't leave clear footprints, which

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is very very possible and I think
likely, or they just don't care.

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It's like I'm gonna go. This
isn't hard for me. Who cares?

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This is the same thing as walking
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Stay tuned for more Bigfoot and Beyond
with Cliff and Bobo will be right

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back after these messages. Well,
anyway, should we hop on here?

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This is a Q and A episode
and we've all we've been doing us talking

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so far? Yea question? All
right? Well, yeah, let's go

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to the first recording, and of
course this is a Q and A episode.

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We do one of these every single
month, and all of our listeners

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out there, these questions come from
you. We are going to do the

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rest of this episode answering your questions
that you submit, and then we'll,

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of course we'll go to a members
episode just from our members as well.

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But if you have a question for
Bobo and I could be about Bigfoot,

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could be about us and our personal
lives, It could be about the Finding

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Bigfoot show, like you know,
did this really happen? Or whatever?

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You can ask us. And you
can either ask us by writing an email

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to us or going to our website
and then you can leave a voicemail for

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us so you can hear your own
beautiful voice on the air with Cliff and

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Bobo. So I'm sure those links
will be in the show notes. So

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anyway, let's go to the first
question. Let's listen to our first voicemail.

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Hey, Cliff, Hey Bobo,
love the show, Love the podcast.

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This has been from Indiana. I
was wondering when you guys were filming

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in Kentucky. I've worked with a
guy who said that he found him and

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his buddies found out where you guys
were filming, and I was wondering if

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he was telling the truth that they
went out there and messed up your guys

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shoot, because he's kind of known
to stretch the truth. I was just

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curious if there was any validity did
that, and if something like that has

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happened before, or if that was
the one and only time. I love

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the podcast. Keep doing what you
guys are doing. Really appreciate it.

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Thanks. I think your friend's probably
lying. Honestly, we have hunters.

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The hunters didn't know there were hunters
shooting all around us. That made us

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get out of there, but they
didn't know they weren't there because of us.

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Yeah. We shot in Kentucky a
couple of times, like though,

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the one I'm thinking of is when
we visited with Tom Shay and met him

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for the first time. We went
to his place, I mean his secret

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location, um, which was on
private land well beat well off the road.

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Oh yeah, they weren't there.
There's no way, no, there's

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no way that they were there.
And that was that was cops that had

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that property that they were. The
cops were like keeping you know, keeping

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an eye out on things like they
were they were monitoring the road and we

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were miles in. I mean they
were There's no way that we got messed

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with there. Yeah. Yeah.
And you know what I don't remember specifically.

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I remember the people shooting that the
varmint hunters out there that we had

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trouble with, they were shooting stuff
and yeah, they didn't know we were

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there. Um, so we were
actually in danger of getting shot accidentally.

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Unfortunately. UM. I don't remember
where else we did a night investigation,

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but I can say this, well, Manteo's cousin's property. Well, there

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was one. I know. We
did Tennessee, then we did Kentucky.

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We also went out way east Kentucky. I mean, we got messed with

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in Louisiana. They found out where
we were and they came out. We're

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knocking on, knocking on trees and
stuff. Money many, that's what money

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Maker wanted. He took maker,
grabbed his knuckers. I'm gonna teach them

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a lesson. There was like twenty
rednecks drunk down there with baseball bats,

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pounding on trees. Oh yeah,
like the moneymaker is going to take him

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on with his bat. There's gonna
there's gonna be a bat fight. Dude.

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He had no idea what he's getting
into. I was like, but

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they're not gonna be afraid of you
if you come in and threatened him.

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And I was like, okay,
then Hamil's gonna have to jump in.

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Then I got to jump in.
You'd all be killed. Yeah, And

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so that that we had to shut
down and move that night. And then

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there was one other night that was
in Louisiana. Right that we said Louisiana,

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there was one other time where there
was something in Minnesota that made us

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move. The first our first trip
to Minnesota, there was people people that

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lived by there like that, weren't
they just lived there and they started howling

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back and stuff like that. I
forget what that was, and we just

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we just let's get out of here. We drove like forty minutes away and

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got out and shot until like daylight
almost We had had to do a company

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move and it took quite a while, Like we were out there all night.

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That next we had to move.
Yeah, but I'll say this,

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ben Um, this is a blanket
statement for our production, especially after first

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second season. Second season was a
bigger First season was a big learning thing

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for a lot of reasons. Learning
how to make real bigfoot stuff on television

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was a big part of it.
But as we went on, we kind

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of whittled away all the nerd wells
and stuff on our on our on our

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production team, and it turns out
that a lot of our producers eventually became

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very good big footers. Chad hammell
Um, Natalie was a great big footers.

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You learned a lot of Yeah,
a lot of our production people had

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Mantooth learned a lot about big footing
and what we need to make a real

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bigfoot show essentially, and also balancing
the TV needs, you know, things

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like light. You can't have television
without lights. Because what do you look

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at basically a TV show without light
as a podcast because you can't see You

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can't see Bob and Eye right now
either. Um, but uh, thank

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god we were we big footers.
And I think you know that big footers

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are wildly paranoid people because you're always
is looking for the hoaxers. I know,

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I'm super paranoid about stuff. Bobo's
moneymakers off the charts as far as

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paranoia goes, as far as hoaxing
goes, and he and he caught people

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hoaxing before he you know, but
our producers got very good at making sure

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that we were comfortable with where we
could go big footing, because very often

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we got to choose where we go
big footing, and so they would permit,

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they would actually pay for permits in
numerous places and numerous parts of the

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national forest, knowing that that we
don't know where Cliff and Bobo and Matt

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and Renee are going to choose to
go, so we have to cover our

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butts and do this legally. And
they would buy permits for numerous national forests

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in some cases because they didn't know
where we're going to choose. Because most

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shows are planned out meticulously months in
advance, three months or more before anybody

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puts boots on the grounds on the
ground. Now, they tried that first

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season with our show didn't work out
well because Bigfooters are not only wildly paranoid,

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but we're also uncooperative. We're gonna
we need to go where Bigfoots are.

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Bigfoots don't care where they've got a
permit. So our producers caught onto

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that pretty quick that we weren't going
to cooperate as cast members, and of

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course that the cast members aren't aren't
doing it, then you have no show.

406
00:25:19.400 --> 00:25:23.119
So the production company would pay for
these permits in multiple places, and

407
00:25:23.200 --> 00:25:29.519
oftentimes we didn't know where we were
going to go until that very day because

408
00:25:29.559 --> 00:25:32.640
something changed, or there's a spot
that Matt found it, like, I

409
00:25:32.680 --> 00:25:34.440
know they're going to be there,
and he's very often right. So I

410
00:25:34.799 --> 00:25:40.279
find it very, very difficult to
believe that your friend found out where we

411
00:25:40.279 --> 00:25:42.960
are going to go and headed us
off at the pass and planet evidence or

412
00:25:44.079 --> 00:25:48.119
made sounds or anything like that.
I think that your friends a Liar's basically

413
00:25:48.160 --> 00:25:52.920
what it comes down to, because
I just don't see that being possible with

414
00:25:52.079 --> 00:25:56.000
knowing how the production rolled. We
didn't know where we were going to go

415
00:25:56.200 --> 00:26:00.680
very often until maybe the day before
or sometimes even that very day, based

416
00:26:00.720 --> 00:26:06.279
on incoming bigfoot information. So how
would your friend find that out? And

417
00:26:06.319 --> 00:26:11.400
then how would your friends sneak into
what was mostly private land? Or if

418
00:26:11.400 --> 00:26:14.880
we were on national forest because on
private land we don't need a permit,

419
00:26:14.920 --> 00:26:17.559
which so we'd always want to go
to the biggest track of private land we

420
00:26:17.599 --> 00:26:22.039
can get. But even if we
were in national forests, you know,

421
00:26:22.160 --> 00:26:25.640
very often there would be like one
road in and we would we would put

422
00:26:25.680 --> 00:26:29.160
production people guarding that road, Like
how would they sneak in? I just

423
00:26:29.200 --> 00:26:30.680
don't buy it. I don't think
it's possible, knowing with what I know

424
00:26:30.880 --> 00:26:34.400
about our production and how we made
the TV show. Yeah it could,

425
00:26:34.519 --> 00:26:37.960
I mean it could have happened.
Nonebenowuns to us. But it's usually people

426
00:26:37.960 --> 00:26:41.000
are hoaxing you. They're gonna keep
it up, like they're not going to

427
00:26:41.079 --> 00:26:44.319
like just do a couple knocks and
then bail. Like if someone's trying to

428
00:26:44.319 --> 00:26:47.319
invest with you, they're knocking,
they're gonna keep knocking and knocking you,

429
00:26:48.000 --> 00:26:49.799
like in Louisiana they kept That's how
we figured it out. The way they

430
00:26:49.799 --> 00:26:52.519
were knocking. Well, also,
if you're close enough to us that we

431
00:26:52.519 --> 00:26:56.000
can hear a knock, because knocks
don't travel that far, and even howels

432
00:26:56.000 --> 00:27:00.160
don't. I think very often we
said, oh, you could hear that

433
00:27:00.200 --> 00:27:02.200
for two miles. I say,
I don't really think that's true. I

434
00:27:02.200 --> 00:27:03.839
think it's probably a half mile or
three quarters of a mile. In a

435
00:27:03.839 --> 00:27:07.359
lot of cases, if you're close
enough to us that we hear you,

436
00:27:07.920 --> 00:27:11.079
we're gonna be able to see you. Because you're people just are not that

437
00:27:11.279 --> 00:27:15.799
good in the woods compared to sasquatches
and other wild animals like that. I

438
00:27:15.880 --> 00:27:18.240
just don't see I just don't see
that as being possible. Highly unlikely,

439
00:27:18.319 --> 00:27:23.960
not impossible, Yeah, highly highly
unlikely, highly unlikely. It boggles my

440
00:27:25.039 --> 00:27:26.880
mind to think that that would be
true, mostly because we didn't know where

441
00:27:26.880 --> 00:27:30.920
we were going to go, you
know, and we're driving sometimes two three

442
00:27:30.960 --> 00:27:33.000
hours to get to a location.
Like, how would they find out?

443
00:27:33.079 --> 00:27:36.640
And if they know that we're going
to go down a certain road, well,

444
00:27:36.640 --> 00:27:38.759
these roads are miles and miles and
miles long, with all these offshoot

445
00:27:38.799 --> 00:27:42.319
roads that we decide on the spur
of the moment where we're gonna walk and

446
00:27:42.359 --> 00:27:45.839
if we like, if it was
a plate, like a lot of times

447
00:27:45.039 --> 00:27:47.839
it was a gate we had to
pull up to and then pull it in.

448
00:27:47.839 --> 00:27:49.720
It's like a small rural area,
like where everyone knows everybody and what's

449
00:27:49.720 --> 00:27:53.039
going on. We would stagger to
the car so we didn't all pile up

450
00:27:53.079 --> 00:27:56.839
at the gate and then they see
like a big caravan. You know,

451
00:27:56.880 --> 00:28:00.160
we'd scout it. We'd you know, spread out a little bit, so

452
00:28:00.640 --> 00:28:03.799
we weren't like such a scene.
I mean, we took precautions. We

453
00:28:03.920 --> 00:28:07.920
have yeah, yeah, and again
we had guards. We had people looking

454
00:28:07.960 --> 00:28:11.240
at the roads and behind locked gates
most of the time because even on National

455
00:28:11.279 --> 00:28:15.839
forest land, we would get access
to places where people couldn't go because of

456
00:28:15.880 --> 00:28:19.039
locked road or locked gates. So, I don't know, I find it

457
00:28:19.240 --> 00:28:22.640
very very dubious. It sounds like
your friends just just you know, trying

458
00:28:22.640 --> 00:28:25.480
to be a know it all kind
of guy, you know. So I

459
00:28:25.519 --> 00:28:27.160
don't know, but you've said yourself
that he's known for lyon. I think

460
00:28:27.160 --> 00:28:30.000
this is another one. Well there
you go. But it's good to have

461
00:28:30.039 --> 00:28:33.920
friends, and it's good to have
friends that are honest. So anyway,

462
00:28:33.000 --> 00:28:36.319
let's go to the second. Let's
go to the next question, Good morning,

463
00:28:36.480 --> 00:28:40.359
well, good morning, Cliff.
It's Greig Brush from southeast Idaho.

464
00:28:41.000 --> 00:28:47.119
UM. I just got done finishing
John Green's book The Apes among Us for

465
00:28:47.200 --> 00:28:51.640
the second time. My question is, is towards the end of the book

466
00:28:51.680 --> 00:29:00.359
he mentions sasquatch in the water submerged. My question is any more reports on

467
00:29:00.559 --> 00:29:04.359
something like that? Well, you
guys, have a great day. Keep

468
00:29:04.359 --> 00:29:07.640
it squatchy. I haven't heard too
much. I mean I heard one about

469
00:29:07.839 --> 00:29:11.720
Jesus been at least fifteen years now
in the clam with where a drift boat.

470
00:29:11.920 --> 00:29:17.039
The things swim underneath them doing like
that frog kick kind of swim and

471
00:29:17.119 --> 00:29:21.000
it and it held express so long. He said, it had to go

472
00:29:21.119 --> 00:29:22.319
two hundred yards. It was.
It wasn't flowing hard. It was like

473
00:29:22.680 --> 00:29:26.160
summertime, which summer or something,
so it was not that strong of a

474
00:29:26.160 --> 00:29:30.000
flow. But it had to go
two hundred yards up and around the bend

475
00:29:30.079 --> 00:29:32.880
out of setting for it before its
surface. Because it never popped up in

476
00:29:32.880 --> 00:29:34.920
front of him. It didn't come
back down. So it swam a long

477
00:29:34.960 --> 00:29:37.400
wind and water, So I know
that. I mean, you look how

478
00:29:37.480 --> 00:29:38.799
big though they got. They got
to have big listen to their calls and

479
00:29:38.880 --> 00:29:42.599
vocalizations. We know they got big
lungs, so it's not that surprising.

480
00:29:42.640 --> 00:29:48.519
But for yeah, I mean,
and that name the Aquatic eight being proposed

481
00:29:48.519 --> 00:29:52.640
back then by those uh some of
the scientific community. Was it Grover Cranch,

482
00:29:52.720 --> 00:29:55.720
I think and so, but I
don't really hear that much anymore about

483
00:29:55.720 --> 00:30:00.920
them swimming, especially like submerging and
then swimming. Yeah, the reports that

484
00:30:00.000 --> 00:30:03.559
come to my mind off the top
of my head are pretty old. When

485
00:30:03.640 --> 00:30:07.119
I said, ten or fifteen years
old or more maybe twenty years old.

486
00:30:07.799 --> 00:30:11.039
I know one guy in the Lewis
River saw one swim not too far from

487
00:30:11.039 --> 00:30:15.400
his boat, completely submerged. He
never saw it come up, so I

488
00:30:15.440 --> 00:30:18.400
think he saw it come up pretty
far, like one hundred yards upstream or

489
00:30:18.400 --> 00:30:22.160
something like that. Or yeah,
it was up downstream downstream. And then

490
00:30:22.000 --> 00:30:25.960
there's another report I think Brenda Harris
told me this actually the San Juan River

491
00:30:26.039 --> 00:30:30.400
down there in the four Corners area, that one was observed submerging then coming

492
00:30:30.480 --> 00:30:33.519
up. I guess I would have
been upstream a pretty good distance. So

493
00:30:33.599 --> 00:30:37.599
yeah, I've got a couple of
reports of them swimming underwater a good distance,

494
00:30:38.119 --> 00:30:42.359
but nothing recently that I can think
of. Oh, I know what

495
00:30:42.519 --> 00:30:48.279
I heard. I believe there totally
was this woman down I think Texas was

496
00:30:48.359 --> 00:30:52.400
filming. It was fishing. I
think there were catfish, catfishing or something,

497
00:30:52.759 --> 00:30:57.960
and it was nighttime and she hooked
something and she was pulling on it,

498
00:30:59.039 --> 00:31:02.640
and I think it's just her sister, and they're they're you know,

499
00:31:02.640 --> 00:31:04.400
like, uh, they're not in
their forties or fifties something like that.

500
00:31:04.559 --> 00:31:07.880
When it happened, and she hooked
it and started reeling it in and she

501
00:31:07.920 --> 00:31:11.960
thought her line stags. She started
yanking on, yanking on it, and

502
00:31:11.039 --> 00:31:15.160
the thing just rises up out of
the water in front of him and just

503
00:31:15.240 --> 00:31:18.400
it's like pulling, getting the hook
out of it and trying to unwrap the

504
00:31:18.519 --> 00:31:25.039
line off it and just glaring at
him. And uh So that that was

505
00:31:25.359 --> 00:31:29.839
the most recent thing I've heard where
they were definitely swimming. Stay tuned for

506
00:31:29.960 --> 00:31:33.920
more Bigfoot and Beyond with Cliff and
Bobo. Will be right back after these

507
00:31:33.960 --> 00:31:44.839
messages. My favorite Bigfoot song of
all time Jim Henry by Paul Grays.

508
00:31:44.920 --> 00:31:48.319
Check out check out that song.
It's on YouTube. Paul Graves has a

509
00:31:48.319 --> 00:31:52.480
few big Foot songs, but he
talks about Jim Henry seeing two big foots

510
00:31:52.559 --> 00:31:57.680
hurting h like hurting a herd of
elk in a lake up in the Cascades.

511
00:31:59.240 --> 00:32:00.920
Yeah, that's a good two And
I like that tune. Yeah,

512
00:32:00.920 --> 00:32:04.839
and the things that were swimming after
the herd of elk if I remember,

513
00:32:04.839 --> 00:32:07.440
i'd because I'd liked the song as
well. I had I did hear.

514
00:32:07.480 --> 00:32:08.640
I mean, there a lot of
reports of them by the water's edge,

515
00:32:08.720 --> 00:32:12.079
you know, washing things off or
whatever. I just got a report from

516
00:32:12.119 --> 00:32:15.400
Colorado, like in the shop last
week. The report was a little old.

517
00:32:15.400 --> 00:32:17.519
I think it was back in the
eighties or nineties or whatever. But

518
00:32:17.559 --> 00:32:23.559
this woman saw something a Trout Lake
and Colorado and it was washing something,

519
00:32:24.160 --> 00:32:27.480
you know, by the by the
lake's edge, I guess, but she

520
00:32:27.599 --> 00:32:30.519
had never found out what it was
washing, but not not inside the water,

521
00:32:30.759 --> 00:32:31.960
and that you mentioned. It's been
a little while since I've heard any

522
00:32:31.960 --> 00:32:36.359
good reports from them swimming or anything
like that. But I don't know.

523
00:32:36.400 --> 00:32:38.039
I think they might do that sort
of thing, kind of staying people.

524
00:32:38.160 --> 00:32:40.759
How would even people notice, you
know? I know Rob Valley's book,

525
00:32:40.839 --> 00:32:44.839
his excellent book, Raincoast Sasquatch,
has a number of reports in it of

526
00:32:45.640 --> 00:32:51.240
sasquatches swimming in between the islands and
whatnot in southeast Alaska. Rob was actually

527
00:32:51.240 --> 00:32:53.119
in the shop just yesterday. He
came in. I wasn't here, I

528
00:32:53.160 --> 00:32:55.519
was I actually had a day at
home, which is nice. It's kind

529
00:32:55.519 --> 00:32:59.000
of rare in my life. But
Rob came into the shop and we had

530
00:32:59.039 --> 00:33:01.559
him sign ch of is a Raincoast
Sasquatches, So we have those autographed at

531
00:33:01.559 --> 00:33:05.359
the museum right now. So if
you are looking for something, if you're

532
00:33:05.359 --> 00:33:07.880
looking for more stories than the swimming
Craig, check out Rob's book. We

533
00:33:07.920 --> 00:33:09.319
have autograph copies in the museum right
now. But I don't know when this

534
00:33:09.359 --> 00:33:12.079
is going to air, so we
may not have him by the time this

535
00:33:12.160 --> 00:33:15.599
is aired. But um, get
Rob's book Raincoast Sasquatch and you can read

536
00:33:15.640 --> 00:33:17.000
a lot more about that sort of
stuff. Definitely in my top ten,

537
00:33:17.039 --> 00:33:21.000
if not top ten, if not
top five. Yeah, Rob, Rob

538
00:33:21.079 --> 00:33:22.960
is a great author. He's a
good researcher. So um yeah, check

539
00:33:22.960 --> 00:33:25.200
out that book and you can probably
read a little bit more about that sort

540
00:33:25.200 --> 00:33:30.359
of stuff. Again, Raincoast Sasquatch, Doctor Rob Allley. So I guess

541
00:33:30.599 --> 00:33:31.720
that's it for that one. Huh
yeah, I think so. Yeah,

542
00:33:31.720 --> 00:33:34.359
why don't we go to the next
one. And by the way, thank

543
00:33:34.359 --> 00:33:38.759
you Craig for the question. Do
appreciate it. Hey Daryl calling him from

544
00:33:39.039 --> 00:33:45.720
Cape guard Mass Chusetts. I was
listening to your current Q and A and

545
00:33:45.039 --> 00:33:49.759
you mentioned that squatching justs doesn't get
the credit and deserves. I doesn't want

546
00:33:49.759 --> 00:33:52.680
if you get elaborated on that a
bit. Love you show. I always

547
00:33:52.720 --> 00:33:57.880
love to find a big Foot and
the squatch Chusetts. Yes, run by

548
00:33:57.960 --> 00:34:01.519
John wilt Um. I just actually
heard from Dave McCullough two days ago,

549
00:34:01.559 --> 00:34:05.200
another member of the group. Great
guy. He's a guest on our show

550
00:34:05.240 --> 00:34:10.320
actually back probably three years ago.
He just got some He got a video.

551
00:34:10.519 --> 00:34:13.960
You can't really see what it is, but the woman can't tell it's

552
00:34:13.960 --> 00:34:17.000
a bear or what. And it's
it tears down a tree and you see

553
00:34:17.039 --> 00:34:22.039
some black fur like you know,
it moving through the trees and it tears

554
00:34:22.039 --> 00:34:28.400
down trees and there's big knots bang
bang going on. And I think he's

555
00:34:28.400 --> 00:34:31.480
gonna release that pretty soon. Then
I'm gonna actually I just put it on

556
00:34:31.480 --> 00:34:38.159
my Facebook page that James Bobo Fay
finding Bigfoot. An audio clip from the

557
00:34:38.239 --> 00:34:44.719
Guy got at Nighttime out the back
door of this crazy, demonic sounding screen

558
00:34:44.760 --> 00:34:47.440
that came out of the swamp behind
behind the house there. As far as

559
00:34:47.440 --> 00:34:52.400
Squatch and Chuse is not getting the
credit they deserved, I think really Massachusetts

560
00:34:52.400 --> 00:34:55.480
in general doesn't get the love it
deserves. West just had a great guest

561
00:34:55.519 --> 00:35:00.639
on his show, The Sasquatch chronicles
a guy from Massachusetts College that went out

562
00:35:00.639 --> 00:35:06.519
there and he saw a young one
as a really interesting encounter. He saw

563
00:35:06.559 --> 00:35:09.079
a young male about his size that
he surprised and said that the look on

564
00:35:09.119 --> 00:35:14.039
its face it was, you know, he describes how it would it would

565
00:35:14.119 --> 00:35:16.119
kind of it look straight ahead but
kept a side glancing him, side eyeing

566
00:35:16.199 --> 00:35:22.119
him. Then the mother came out, a big female came out and you

567
00:35:22.159 --> 00:35:23.079
know, just kind of looked at
him like you better get out of here,

568
00:35:23.079 --> 00:35:27.920
like not threatening. And he took
off and went and was hiking fast

569
00:35:28.000 --> 00:35:30.360
back down. It was his vehicle
to get out of there. And when

570
00:35:30.360 --> 00:35:34.679
he got down near the parking lot, he heard a like that, you

571
00:35:34.719 --> 00:35:37.760
know, hey, kind of grunt. Hey. He turned around there was

572
00:35:37.800 --> 00:35:40.079
a huge male standing out kind of
leaning out from behind this bowl there,

573
00:35:40.119 --> 00:35:45.800
just glaring at him, like I
think he said, thirty yards just you

574
00:35:45.840 --> 00:35:49.119
know, like just staring at him
like like not making any aggressive news,

575
00:35:49.159 --> 00:35:52.000
but looking at him like don't ever
come back. Here was the message he

576
00:35:52.079 --> 00:35:54.480
was getting loud and clear. But
that, yeah, that was another Massachusetts

577
00:35:54.480 --> 00:35:58.119
Massachusetts one. Yeah, a lot
of stuff happens there, you know.

578
00:35:58.119 --> 00:36:00.400
And and honestly, when we were
filming the Connecticut episode of Finding Bigfoot,

579
00:36:00.880 --> 00:36:06.960
it was tasked upon me to go
camping. That was a camping segment for

580
00:36:07.320 --> 00:36:10.480
me. I did my best.
I think I've spent one or one night

581
00:36:10.480 --> 00:36:14.280
out there, but the rest of
the time I secretly went up to Massachusetts

582
00:36:14.320 --> 00:36:16.639
and just never said anything because Massachusetts
has a little bit more public land of

583
00:36:16.760 --> 00:36:21.599
camp on and I also had better
contacts there. Yeah, I hook up

584
00:36:21.679 --> 00:36:25.719
up there was in Massachusetts was Ronnie
LeBlanc Ronnie LeBlanc or whatever how you pronounced

585
00:36:25.719 --> 00:36:30.280
it from he's now on extusition Bigot. Back then, he was more of

586
00:36:30.280 --> 00:36:34.119
a UFO guy with this guy Canyon
with a he knew with a footprint cast

587
00:36:34.280 --> 00:36:37.559
and he had that trackway and that's
what brought us up to Massachusetts. Were

588
00:36:37.559 --> 00:36:40.079
actually in Massachusetts for the Connecticut episode
because there was nothing going on in Connecticut

589
00:36:40.079 --> 00:36:45.039
too much I've heard that in Ronnie's
book. A lot of those reports that

590
00:36:45.559 --> 00:36:46.519
I guess Ronnie put out a book, don't know, I haven't read it,

591
00:36:46.639 --> 00:36:50.559
but I guess I've been hearing a
lot of those reports are actually squatch

592
00:36:50.559 --> 00:36:52.920
a chusets reports, because I guess
he has associated with squatches Uses at some

593
00:36:52.960 --> 00:36:57.000
point or another. So a lot
of that stuff is John Wilkin, Dave

594
00:36:57.039 --> 00:36:59.880
and those guys, you know.
But of course John will has seen these

595
00:37:00.239 --> 00:37:05.280
twice, I believe no more than
that Savoy National Forest Community is a ranger

596
00:37:05.360 --> 00:37:08.559
and another time down in Savoy there's
indications of the area, like there's Windigo

597
00:37:08.719 --> 00:37:13.639
Road. I think that's pretty telling
in that general area. I'm five for

598
00:37:13.800 --> 00:37:15.800
five there. I mean that's I
mean, I've had I've heard him,

599
00:37:15.800 --> 00:37:21.000
and I'm pretty dang sure. I
saw those two that night, like nearby

600
00:37:21.079 --> 00:37:24.000
on thermal that it was a non
recording thermal of course, but yeah,

601
00:37:24.039 --> 00:37:29.239
we've we've heard him there. I
got little stick markers put on his back

602
00:37:29.239 --> 00:37:35.559
porch when Mark Dworth and I were
there. I've heard knox and vocalizations crazy,

603
00:37:35.639 --> 00:37:39.119
the craziest whistling I've ever heard,
just nuts. Yeah, I mean

604
00:37:39.159 --> 00:37:44.840
at that place, that that definitely
produces and plays. My mom's from Massachusetts

605
00:37:44.880 --> 00:37:50.239
originally and outside of Worcester, Webster
Webster Lake. It's right on the border

606
00:37:50.239 --> 00:37:55.639
with Connecticut and Connecticut Rhode Islander right
there, and that's kind of a pretty

607
00:37:55.679 --> 00:37:58.880
happening spot. And I remember being
in there in the woods as a kid,

608
00:37:58.920 --> 00:38:01.599
going, like the last time I
went there probably was about twelve at

609
00:38:01.639 --> 00:38:05.559
that point, thinking like God,
these woods, you know, like there

610
00:38:05.599 --> 00:38:07.079
could be stuff hiding in here.
I've never even heard of anything like that

611
00:38:07.119 --> 00:38:09.400
back there. At that point.
I had no idea they were there.

612
00:38:10.159 --> 00:38:13.639
We didn't, I didn't have anything
happened. It could have been possibly won,

613
00:38:13.719 --> 00:38:15.519
but I think they didn't come back
in there too much until because it

614
00:38:15.639 --> 00:38:20.119
got so deforested. I mean that
was you know, obviously the you know,

615
00:38:20.159 --> 00:38:23.719
one of the first colonies was their
Plymouth, so they got deforced and

616
00:38:23.840 --> 00:38:28.039
so hard. But I mean by
eighteen fifty that most of that state was

617
00:38:28.079 --> 00:38:30.800
deforested, and by nineteen hundred almost
all the woods was gone. But it

618
00:38:30.920 --> 00:38:35.079
is reforested so much. I mean
all that marginal land where all those if

619
00:38:35.079 --> 00:38:37.719
you walk through the woods, now
there's there's rock walls everywhere. It's because

620
00:38:37.719 --> 00:38:42.360
that's sort of the farmers were trying
to make plowed fields and just stack on

621
00:38:42.400 --> 00:38:45.599
the rocks to get them out of
the way of the plows. So all

622
00:38:45.639 --> 00:38:49.559
that land that was just crap farm
land is now woods. So they've they've

623
00:38:49.599 --> 00:38:52.159
come back. They weren't they're probably
a hundred years ago. They're there now.

624
00:38:52.599 --> 00:38:54.639
Yeah, they're all the route I
think the northeast as the land goes

625
00:38:54.719 --> 00:38:59.320
back to uh you know, this
natural state. The Sasquatches have just come

626
00:38:59.360 --> 00:39:04.360
along with it. But there's historical
reports too. There's something out by Gramby,

627
00:39:04.400 --> 00:39:07.440
I think the Gramby Monster, the
Gramby Thing or Blob or something some

628
00:39:07.519 --> 00:39:09.400
local name like that. But yeah, that's still going on. It's still

629
00:39:09.400 --> 00:39:13.920
going on. And just like in
other parts of the country, just like

630
00:39:13.920 --> 00:39:15.519
in other parts of the country,
like the what is it the Quabbin,

631
00:39:15.719 --> 00:39:20.840
I think is a big reservoir that
feeds the city of Boston. It's water.

632
00:39:21.480 --> 00:39:23.119
It's all off limits. He just
got permission to go in there.

633
00:39:23.320 --> 00:39:28.760
I got permission to go there when
I was doing the Connecticut camping segment actually,

634
00:39:28.760 --> 00:39:30.920
so I was inside there and some
official permission to get inside there.

635
00:39:31.199 --> 00:39:36.760
But yeah, it's an off limits
watershed and big Foots don't seem to care.

636
00:39:37.159 --> 00:39:39.920
So yeah, yeah, Massachusetts is
great. And Squatchachusetts, I think

637
00:39:39.920 --> 00:39:43.920
has really done a lot to put
Massachusetts on the big Foot map. And

638
00:39:44.440 --> 00:39:49.400
most of that credit goes to John
wilk and his local like his local dudes

639
00:39:49.440 --> 00:39:52.239
who and gals that help him out. You know, he's got a great

640
00:39:52.239 --> 00:39:55.639
thriving community over there on Facebook and
he's done a lot, a lot for

641
00:39:55.679 --> 00:39:59.920
the subject in the Northeast. Yeah, and Tim and Ark Fogel, they've

642
00:40:00.039 --> 00:40:01.840
they got me to agree. I
mean, they put me on the spot

643
00:40:01.840 --> 00:40:06.199
where I had the where I think
I saw too and heard him whistling from

644
00:40:06.199 --> 00:40:10.639
like forty yards away, I mean
heard him how heard tons of power knocks

645
00:40:10.679 --> 00:40:14.800
there. I mean, so's he's
got some good guys helping him out there

646
00:40:14.840 --> 00:40:16.920
too. Yeah, it's a good
group and a great community. I'm sharing

647
00:40:16.960 --> 00:40:21.719
a lot of information. More stuff
has come, in my opinion, out

648
00:40:21.760 --> 00:40:28.599
of the Northeast and specifically Massachusetts through
the Squatchachusetts porthole than any other. Yeah,

649
00:40:28.599 --> 00:40:30.920
there's some guys up in New Hampshire, Vermont and Maine. I guess

650
00:40:30.960 --> 00:40:35.760
I guess that wasn't too specific.
There are some more, but you're right,

651
00:40:36.039 --> 00:40:39.559
there are some guys up in New
York and Maine and Vermont and there

652
00:40:39.599 --> 00:40:43.880
are I know, he's still he
keeps in touch with, like Dax from

653
00:40:44.880 --> 00:40:49.480
Bigfoot Bounty and a couple of those
guys up there, like the Oh god,

654
00:40:49.639 --> 00:40:52.639
I forget the names right now,
they're spacing on him. But there's

655
00:40:52.679 --> 00:40:54.280
guys that get out there quite a
bit up there, you know, speaking

656
00:40:54.280 --> 00:40:57.760
of Bigfoot Bounty. I forgot to
tell you. Maybe I did tell you.

657
00:40:58.000 --> 00:41:00.360
I just had an eventful through that
we were working on. I was

658
00:41:00.360 --> 00:41:07.119
supposed to have a conversation quote unquote
debate with Natalia Reagan, doctor Natalia Reagan

659
00:41:07.280 --> 00:41:10.519
from that Bigfoot Bounty show, primatologist. She doesn't think sasquatches are real,

660
00:41:10.559 --> 00:41:14.599
but and she reached out and said, hey, would you be willing to

661
00:41:14.599 --> 00:41:15.800
have a conversation on stage about this? And I, oh, yeah,

662
00:41:15.920 --> 00:41:20.840
totally, I'd be happy to teach
you a thing or two. Give her

663
00:41:20.880 --> 00:41:24.199
prue. It's put to read first, well again, the people, and

664
00:41:24.239 --> 00:41:29.039
then the scientists. The scientists who
don't think sasquatchers are real, it's probably

665
00:41:29.039 --> 00:41:30.719
just because they have been exposed to
the evidence. You know, I totally

666
00:41:30.760 --> 00:41:34.320
forgive them. Why would they look
in it's the same reason I don't look

667
00:41:34.320 --> 00:41:37.320
into sasquatches going through portals. So
why I don't I have no information on

668
00:41:37.400 --> 00:41:39.320
it. Why why would I believe
it? I don't think it's true.

669
00:41:39.840 --> 00:41:42.880
Why would I chase that? You
know? And the same thing goes.

670
00:41:43.000 --> 00:41:46.639
I feel for the PhDs and whatnot
who don't think sasquatches are real because they

671
00:41:46.679 --> 00:41:51.400
probably just don't know the evidence,
you know. So a little disappointed that

672
00:41:51.480 --> 00:41:53.079
that gig fell through, But I'm
sure she'll be up at some point.

673
00:41:53.440 --> 00:41:59.760
That's pretty exciting about that major university. It's gonna with some government funding a

674
00:42:00.039 --> 00:42:02.119
look at big Foot evidence. Oh
yeah from North Carolina. Yeah, Derby

675
00:42:02.199 --> 00:42:05.480
or cuts in charge of that.
He's going to be at this this event

676
00:42:05.599 --> 00:42:08.239
that in Tennessee. So I have
a chance to speak to him and maybe

677
00:42:08.280 --> 00:42:12.679
got on the podcast. Yeah what's
the university again, I don't know.

678
00:42:12.760 --> 00:42:15.119
It's not in North Carolina. Okay, So yeah, he's supposed to come

679
00:42:15.119 --> 00:42:17.519
on the show. Yeah, we'll
get him on eventually, I think.

680
00:42:17.639 --> 00:42:22.000
So I'll broach that subject when I
see him this weekend. Stay tuned for

681
00:42:22.159 --> 00:42:27.119
more Bigfoot and Beyond with Cliff and
Bobo. We'll be right back after these

682
00:42:27.159 --> 00:42:35.280
messages. Well, let's go to
the next question if we have him on

683
00:42:35.320 --> 00:42:37.559
the on voicemail here, Hey,
Cliff and Bobo, this is Jeff Debbs

684
00:42:37.599 --> 00:42:43.880
from Cherry Hill in New Jersey,
wondering if you're aware of any news or

685
00:42:43.920 --> 00:42:49.360
any reports from the Olympic Project that
upon once finding the nests, if they

686
00:42:49.480 --> 00:42:52.519
know that the bigfoots are still coming
back to the nests or I know a

687
00:42:52.559 --> 00:42:55.880
lot of times if you disrupt the
bird's nest, for example, or some

688
00:42:57.000 --> 00:43:00.119
other animal nest, the animals a
little hesitant to back. Was your scent

689
00:43:00.280 --> 00:43:02.599
is all over the nest. So
I just wanted to find out what your

690
00:43:02.639 --> 00:43:07.719
opinions were about that there's anything known
about that or whether where the people UH

691
00:43:08.280 --> 00:43:12.559
interrupt the big foot nests and big
foots come back. Thanks very much,

692
00:43:12.639 --> 00:43:15.159
enjoy the show. You guys are
great. Yeah, in general, there's

693
00:43:15.239 --> 00:43:19.320
never been a known case and a
big foot returning to a nest or dan

694
00:43:19.480 --> 00:43:22.000
or whatever once it's been discovered.
There's not one case where they've come back

695
00:43:22.000 --> 00:43:28.280
to that particularly nesting spot. But
maybe Cliff, you know more about that,

696
00:43:28.280 --> 00:43:30.400
about the follow up on the more
nests and what's going on. I

697
00:43:30.440 --> 00:43:35.119
don't I don't think that the nests
themselves were used repeatedly. Um. And

698
00:43:35.320 --> 00:43:37.280
the first there's two nest sites now, but they're both in the same general

699
00:43:37.440 --> 00:43:42.199
area. The first nest site was
discovered after their use. The boughs and

700
00:43:42.239 --> 00:43:45.480
went on the ground were still green, um, And they put some cameras.

701
00:43:45.639 --> 00:43:49.119
They started frequenting the area since.
But there's no evidence that the nests

702
00:43:49.199 --> 00:43:53.039
themselves were used more than more I
mean ever, really, but more than

703
00:43:53.119 --> 00:43:55.599
once, you know, I mean, we assume that the nests were laid

704
00:43:55.639 --> 00:43:59.360
upon and all that sort of stuff, because some hair samples were gotten out

705
00:43:59.400 --> 00:44:01.199
of out of them that were interesting
and all that sort of stuff. The

706
00:44:01.400 --> 00:44:07.079
second nest site, UM was discovered
as it was being made, you know.

707
00:44:07.360 --> 00:44:13.559
Uh, Todd Hale and Shane Courson. They disturbed the animal at the

708
00:44:13.639 --> 00:44:17.519
site. They didn't see it,
but but there was a sasquatch there because

709
00:44:17.639 --> 00:44:22.079
it barreled downhill and came up above
them in a frighteningly short period of time.

710
00:44:22.400 --> 00:44:25.320
Scared the hell out of those guys
and they bailed. Basically, well,

711
00:44:25.599 --> 00:44:28.800
I was they went back to the
area. They called me. I

712
00:44:28.880 --> 00:44:30.239
got to go there within a couple
of days, I guess, or so

713
00:44:30.559 --> 00:44:36.760
of them discovering the second nest site, and there were there were handprints there

714
00:44:37.480 --> 00:44:42.239
and there were footprints there, so, um, we know that a sasquatch

715
00:44:42.360 --> 00:44:45.920
was there because we have handprints and
footprints from the site. But after that

716
00:44:46.119 --> 00:44:50.239
they kind of left the area alone
and as far as they know, the

717
00:44:50.360 --> 00:44:54.639
thing had not come back to specifically
the nest itself. But um, the

718
00:44:54.880 --> 00:45:00.480
area is a pretty big area.
It's a you know, geographically it's small

719
00:45:00.599 --> 00:45:04.000
or whatever, but but you know, to quote Stephen Wright, it's a

720
00:45:04.119 --> 00:45:06.840
small world. But I wouldn't want
to paint it. Yeah, it's a

721
00:45:06.920 --> 00:45:09.199
big area. I certainly want to
paint. Wouldn't want to paint this area.

722
00:45:09.239 --> 00:45:15.400
And there have been sidings and footprint
finds and sound events ongoing in this

723
00:45:15.639 --> 00:45:22.800
particular area. Other people have reported
sighting reports that I've personally investigated of sasquatches

724
00:45:23.719 --> 00:45:28.440
coming out of the area because we
all know it's on private land. It's

725
00:45:28.480 --> 00:45:31.280
on private land, so it's not
accessible. But people, just local citizens

726
00:45:31.360 --> 00:45:36.360
so to speak, have reported road
crossings in the area. Coming out of

727
00:45:36.400 --> 00:45:43.480
the area. Derek Randalls and his
wife Pretoria saw a big, light colored

728
00:45:43.679 --> 00:45:50.480
furry creature dash across the landscape.
Whatever it was was about seven and a

729
00:45:50.519 --> 00:45:55.280
half feet tall, and it was
shaking a tree at them quite violently before

730
00:45:57.039 --> 00:46:00.679
it dashed off, So I think
one can be reason to believe certain that

731
00:46:00.760 --> 00:46:05.599
was a sasquatch. They found other
footprints in there, And also I think

732
00:46:05.599 --> 00:46:12.960
the most readily available evidence is the
stuff that Chris Spencer and Shane Courson and

733
00:46:13.000 --> 00:46:15.360
those guys are doing in the nest
site area itself. They have long duration

734
00:46:15.440 --> 00:46:22.320
recorders out there. They've done a
great job compiling the data and sorting it

735
00:46:22.400 --> 00:46:25.960
into this animal, that animal,
and unknown animals, and so that that

736
00:46:27.400 --> 00:46:30.199
work is ongoing. So I think
that's probably the strongest evidence that they are

737
00:46:30.280 --> 00:46:34.960
still in the area. And of
course there's other researchers who, unbeknownst to

738
00:46:35.000 --> 00:46:38.199
them, are actually working in that
same general area and pulling footprints. That

739
00:46:38.440 --> 00:46:43.039
is also ongoing. So yeah,
there's every indication that the sasquatches have not

740
00:46:43.199 --> 00:46:45.599
moved away. Now that doesn't mean
they're using the nests. Maybe they're making

741
00:46:45.639 --> 00:46:47.519
other nests, maybe they don't use
them at all. I don't even know

742
00:46:47.599 --> 00:46:51.280
why they make these nests. It
doesn't make any sense to me. But

743
00:46:51.480 --> 00:46:53.760
they're there and they should be noted
they're doing it for some reason. I

744
00:46:53.760 --> 00:46:58.880
guess, probably for the same reason
other ape species, you know, are

745
00:46:59.039 --> 00:47:01.519
building their nest and panzees is stuff
up in trees, mountain grills on the

746
00:47:01.599 --> 00:47:05.519
ground, and human beings. Of
course, we make our beds, so

747
00:47:06.239 --> 00:47:07.800
we all make our nests sort of
way. Well, yeah, I don't

748
00:47:07.800 --> 00:47:09.599
really make my bed either, it
seems like a waste of time, but

749
00:47:09.639 --> 00:47:13.400
I definitely get under the covers every
night, so that's kind of making your

750
00:47:13.400 --> 00:47:17.159
bed, right too. Yeah.
Yeah, So anyway, that the sasquatches

751
00:47:17.199 --> 00:47:21.800
are still in the area, we
know that pretty much for sure, I

752
00:47:22.199 --> 00:47:23.440
think at this point. But they
don't seem to be going back to the

753
00:47:23.559 --> 00:47:28.639
nests themselves. But then again,
I'm not up there very often. I

754
00:47:28.679 --> 00:47:31.280
haven't been up there for probably eight
months or more so, but these guys,

755
00:47:31.480 --> 00:47:35.960
they go up there I think pretty
fairly often. I think Chris Spencer

756
00:47:36.000 --> 00:47:38.559
has been really working it hard with
this because he's really into the audio thing.

757
00:47:38.599 --> 00:47:42.320
We had him on the podcast just
a few weeks ago or a few

758
00:47:42.360 --> 00:47:45.800
months ago. He's really working the
audio angle pretty hard. So, and

759
00:47:45.880 --> 00:47:49.039
there's every indication that these things are
still in the area and doing their thing.

760
00:47:49.519 --> 00:47:51.760
And I think that's you know,
for the most part, I think

761
00:47:51.760 --> 00:47:53.840
sasquatches stick to an area. I
don't think they move around all that much.

762
00:47:54.320 --> 00:47:58.159
Yeah, it seems that the one
sasquatches have found an area that they're

763
00:47:58.159 --> 00:48:00.840
comfortable with, they're gonna keep hitting. They're gonna be there until something drives

764
00:48:00.880 --> 00:48:04.519
them out. And this area is
many, many, many square miles.

765
00:48:04.840 --> 00:48:07.079
Yeah, because I mean they exhaust
the foods especially. The other thing about

766
00:48:07.159 --> 00:48:12.159
like places like that in the Cascades, like Saint Helens, the verticality,

767
00:48:12.679 --> 00:48:15.519
Like going a few miles looking straight
down on the map, you're dropping down

768
00:48:15.719 --> 00:48:21.320
several thousand feet. You're getting in
a whole different environment, like food sources

769
00:48:21.440 --> 00:48:25.039
changing, whereas maybe in a flattery
that they can exhaust the food sources quicker,

770
00:48:25.239 --> 00:48:29.840
like they have to move around,
like over a larger geographic area.

771
00:48:30.239 --> 00:48:31.840
Yeah. And of course the nest
site does have a salmon bearing stream,

772
00:48:31.880 --> 00:48:37.880
actually several salmon bearing streams going through
it. And also it's a hunting location.

773
00:48:37.039 --> 00:48:42.280
I mean, Derek and those guys
were hunting in this general area long

774
00:48:42.360 --> 00:48:45.000
before the new Sasquatches were building nests
in the area, So there's plenty of

775
00:48:45.000 --> 00:48:49.800
reason to be there for the sasquatches, and plus it's private land, hard

776
00:48:49.800 --> 00:48:52.960
to get into, hard to get
out of, hard to move around within,

777
00:48:52.639 --> 00:48:55.719
and um, yeah, that's it's
logging land. But they haven't logged

778
00:48:55.719 --> 00:48:59.880
it in quite a while. I
imagine once they start clearing some of the

779
00:49:00.119 --> 00:49:04.079
area, then the sasquatches will move
around in that area. That's actually happened

780
00:49:04.079 --> 00:49:07.360
recently in one of our locations.
I think they were doing forty year cut

781
00:49:07.440 --> 00:49:10.400
cycles there and the guy was the
timber cruiser was going to there because they

782
00:49:10.440 --> 00:49:14.760
were getting ready to do a cut
after it had been it had been like

783
00:49:14.880 --> 00:49:16.880
thirty eight years at that point since
the last cut. Yeah, I don't

784
00:49:16.880 --> 00:49:20.400
remember the specifics about it. I
know that they were given the Little Big

785
00:49:20.400 --> 00:49:22.760
Project five or six years to do
what they need to do in there,

786
00:49:22.039 --> 00:49:25.400
and they've gone in there and started
flagging trees now, so they may be

787
00:49:25.519 --> 00:49:30.159
cutting it fairly soon. As far
as I know, it hasn't happened yet,

788
00:49:30.920 --> 00:49:31.679
But I don't know. Maybe it's
time to have one of the Olympic

789
00:49:31.719 --> 00:49:35.559
Project guys or you know, we've
never had Derek Randall's on there. Derek's

790
00:49:35.559 --> 00:49:37.679
one of my best friends and we
still haven't had them on and I can't

791
00:49:37.719 --> 00:49:40.239
believe when we started the show,
we're like, god, you know,

792
00:49:40.280 --> 00:49:43.920
after we get like fifty seventy shows, like who are we going to have

793
00:49:44.079 --> 00:49:45.760
on? It's like we still after
two hundred and something, we didn't even

794
00:49:45.760 --> 00:49:49.719
add on guys. We thought we're
gonna be another our first ten or twenty.

795
00:49:50.039 --> 00:49:52.280
And Derek doesn't do a lot of
podcasts, but I did talk to

796
00:49:52.360 --> 00:49:53.719
him maybe a month or two ago, and he said he'd be willing to

797
00:49:53.760 --> 00:49:58.000
come on. But I kind of
feel bad about asking Derek or you know,

798
00:49:58.400 --> 00:50:01.239
I know, want to bother anybody
by coming on our podcast. You

799
00:50:01.320 --> 00:50:06.280
know, it's like it's like that
full that whole uh you sealous of memes

800
00:50:06.320 --> 00:50:08.800
about oh god, like someone asking
you to do on their podcast, Like

801
00:50:08.920 --> 00:50:12.760
and they just so like the guy
whoever the persons they're asking to do in

802
00:50:12.800 --> 00:50:15.159
their podcast just cringing, you know, like there's a new thought bubbling on

803
00:50:15.239 --> 00:50:17.880
their head, like shoot me now
lord, you know, or whatever,

804
00:50:19.159 --> 00:50:22.199
take me now lord. Kind of
feel bad about asking my friends to come

805
00:50:22.239 --> 00:50:23.920
on, but our listeners like it. Yeah, that's what matters. We're

806
00:50:23.960 --> 00:50:25.840
here for them, all right,
Bob. So you know what, we

807
00:50:27.519 --> 00:50:30.079
didn't take any written questions this time. I guess we'll have to get to

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those next time, but there's always
next month. We do these Q and

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A episodes every single month. I
enjoy them a lot because I never know

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the questions until I'm sitting here in
front of the microphone, and just it's

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just a fun way to interact with
our listeners, especially. I think the

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voicemail thing is really cool too.
So listeners, if you have questions and

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you would like to ask us anything
at all, whatever, even weird off

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color stuff, because you know,
maybe those questions won't get to us,

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but you never know, man,
you never know what prue it's gonna let

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slide through to us. Ask us. You can either click those links in

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the show notes below, or you
can go to our website big fan to

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be on podcast dot com and go
to the contact and send us or your

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written questions or even leave us a
voicemail whatever you want to know. Oh

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and also, by the way,
something else you might want to know about

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is that we've been getting some really
really fun fan art. And I realize

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I love fan art because we have
some of the most obviously most intelligent,

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exquisite listeners in the world. I
think and a lot of you guys and

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gals are fantastic artists out there.
If you have any fan art you'd like

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the like the make for us,
maybe we can feature it or something.

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Send it to us. I would
love to see what sort of stuff you

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come up with, even and by
the way, you don't have to be

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an artist. That's that's some of
my favorite fan art is like the like

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the crayon drawings we get from four
year olds. That wasn't great. Every

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one of you can do something like
that. Send us something then we'd love

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to see it, and we'd love
the featured we'd love to share it with

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the rest of you listeners and members
and all that stuff. If you do

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want to become a member, you
get an extra forty five minutes or an

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hour of podcasting from Bob's and I
every single week and again. Go to

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the website click the links, or
go to those show notes below and click

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that link. It's a Patreon thing. I think you're gonna dig it.

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We've got no complaints so far other
than that, Bobo take us out of

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here. Okay, folks, what
wraps another episode of doing listener questions.

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Thanks a lot for contributing We look
forward to more questions and that sort of

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thing for you folks, So until
next week, you'll know what to do.

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Keep it squatchy as hell. Thanks
for listening to this week's episode of

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Bigfoot and Beyond. If you liked
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