WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.280 --> 00:00:05.519 Hello. This is Matt and Emily from Scarecrow Video in Seattle, Washington. 2 00:00:06.120 --> 00:00:09.439 Did you know that we have the largest video collection in the world. We 3 00:00:09.519 --> 00:00:14.480 have over one hundred and forty six thousand titles and growing. That's over three 4 00:00:14.480 --> 00:00:19.000 times more than Netflix, Amazon Max, and Hulu combined. Plus a. 5 00:00:19.000 --> 00:00:22.960 Scarecrow now offers rent by mail service throughout the US, so check out Scarecrow 6 00:00:23.000 --> 00:00:27.000 Video dot org for details. You can catch Emily and I or Matt and 7 00:00:27.079 --> 00:00:30.399 I if that was going to be you saying that on our biweekly YouTube show 8 00:00:30.480 --> 00:00:44.600 Viva Physical Media for video recommendations and so much more. Seeya, bye ee 9 00:00:47.359 --> 00:00:51.159 Hello there, and welcome back to the disc Connected. I'm here with Michelle 10 00:00:51.240 --> 00:00:55.280 Kisner, who is a writer, contributor on multiple physical media releases, and 11 00:00:55.359 --> 00:00:59.719 also a local critic in her scene. Michelle, thanks for doing this all 12 00:00:59.799 --> 00:01:03.000 right. Appreciate you asking me on it. It's a it's an honor. 13 00:01:03.079 --> 00:01:07.439 Actually, I've watched other episodes of this because you have a lot of cool 14 00:01:07.480 --> 00:01:08.480 people on here, so I was like, Wow, he's asking me. 15 00:01:10.599 --> 00:01:12.519 Wow, I had no idea that. I mean, that's that's amazing to 16 00:01:12.519 --> 00:01:17.120 hear. I mean, honestly, I can't even remember what clued me onto 17 00:01:17.239 --> 00:01:19.120 in the first place. It might have just been Kat Ellener knowing who you 18 00:01:19.200 --> 00:01:23.719 were and through it, it seems like her tendrils get into people and then 19 00:01:23.760 --> 00:01:27.079 suddenly the network just grows and grows. Yeah. Yeah, she's like one 20 00:01:27.120 --> 00:01:33.680 of my favorite people in the scene too, just like really just really nice 21 00:01:33.719 --> 00:01:37.560 and down earth and like easy to talk to and willing to, you know, 22 00:01:37.920 --> 00:01:41.439 lend out a helping hand for people that are like new into the scene 23 00:01:41.439 --> 00:01:46.719 because it's kind of hard to get into this kind of like area because everybody's 24 00:01:46.760 --> 00:01:49.760 very protective. Well because it's like kind of like I don't know, it's 25 00:01:49.799 --> 00:01:52.319 like a little bit of like a gig economy too, And some people do 26 00:01:52.400 --> 00:01:57.200 this as their entire job, so you know, they're all their income is 27 00:01:57.239 --> 00:02:00.000 from doing these type of things, so you know, there's that kind of 28 00:02:00.040 --> 00:02:05.519 dynamic going on. And I have a day job, so it's not as 29 00:02:05.599 --> 00:02:08.479 economically important for me. I'm just doing this as more like I just enjoy 30 00:02:08.520 --> 00:02:14.240 writing about films, not saying they don't either, but the money aspect isn't 31 00:02:15.039 --> 00:02:19.400 in consideration for me, so I see why it's like that. But she's 32 00:02:19.439 --> 00:02:23.919 great about getting new people into the scene that you know might like be overlooked. 33 00:02:23.960 --> 00:02:29.960 So yeah, for certain people, it definitely can be a competitive arena 34 00:02:30.120 --> 00:02:34.360 unfortunately. But either way, there's lots of ways that we've seen multiple new 35 00:02:34.360 --> 00:02:38.280 people come out of the scene over the last handfull of years. And I've 36 00:02:38.319 --> 00:02:39.879 appreciated all of your pieces I've been able to read so far. You've got 37 00:02:39.879 --> 00:02:44.560 a couple coming out, so yeah, I absolutely wanted to have you on 38 00:02:44.560 --> 00:02:46.719 one of the things that I first just want to ask, like, how 39 00:02:46.719 --> 00:02:50.439 did you first get into film, because obviously you've got a pretty wide breadth 40 00:02:50.520 --> 00:02:54.280 of knowledge on it. So you know, growing up, I'm like, 41 00:02:54.400 --> 00:02:59.319 I'm forty three, so I'm like an elder millennial. I'm like the oldest 42 00:02:59.360 --> 00:03:02.960 you can be be a millennial still. So I grew up in a small 43 00:03:04.080 --> 00:03:08.560 town, had a little mom and pop rental shop, but mostly Blockbuster was 44 00:03:08.599 --> 00:03:10.919 the main thing, you know, when you were I grew up in Idaho, 45 00:03:12.039 --> 00:03:14.479 so it was like kind of like middle of nowhere. So Blockbuster was 46 00:03:14.639 --> 00:03:16.919 the perfect you know, middle of nowhere places. That's where their bread and 47 00:03:16.960 --> 00:03:21.879 butter was because they were the only game in town. But I just love 48 00:03:22.000 --> 00:03:27.280 movies. My father actually was a huge movie buff he's passed away, but 49 00:03:27.800 --> 00:03:32.159 he would watch every single movie that came out in the theater. He always 50 00:03:32.240 --> 00:03:37.680 had like the newest whatever was out at the time, like the newest VHS 51 00:03:37.680 --> 00:03:39.639 player. I remember he was always doing the thing where like you had the 52 00:03:39.680 --> 00:03:44.400 two VCRs and he would like rent movies and then burn them onto the to 53 00:03:44.439 --> 00:03:47.400 the other movies. So like we had a huge collection of those ep you 54 00:03:47.439 --> 00:03:53.560 know, like vhs or five movies on each one that took forever to get 55 00:03:53.560 --> 00:03:55.800 to the movie that you wanted to watch. He also loved horror, and 56 00:03:57.000 --> 00:04:00.840 I from a very young age, was exposed to all types of hard movies. 57 00:04:00.840 --> 00:04:03.800 Probably so I shouldn't have been, but it just, you know, 58 00:04:03.800 --> 00:04:10.120 instilled in me this huge love of horror and cult films. Nice. That's 59 00:04:10.199 --> 00:04:14.400 I mean, honestly, it's astonishingly close to the way I grew up. 60 00:04:14.400 --> 00:04:16.959 I grew up in a very small town with mostly just Blockbuster and then another 61 00:04:17.040 --> 00:04:19.439 tiny little mom and pop. But either way, like it's such a small 62 00:04:19.480 --> 00:04:23.319 population, the only way at least in my town they could stay open was 63 00:04:23.399 --> 00:04:27.800 mostly offering these super mainstream films, so I never I never got a lot 64 00:04:27.800 --> 00:04:30.240 of the indie underground things until I was older and could seek them out myself. 65 00:04:30.319 --> 00:04:33.879 So yeah, those small towns. Blockbuster was king for sure. But 66 00:04:34.680 --> 00:04:38.680 I mean, you've got just the ones that you've written on so far. 67 00:04:38.759 --> 00:04:43.279 It seems like we're gonna get into individual visual titles. But what was the 68 00:04:43.639 --> 00:04:46.360 first one that you contributed to? Actually, the first one, I have 69 00:04:46.439 --> 00:04:49.120 them like in a stack next my things. I could remember. The first 70 00:04:49.199 --> 00:04:56.079 one I ever contributed to was Tangerine for Second Sight. And that was the 71 00:04:56.079 --> 00:05:01.000 one. Yeah, that one right there, Cat that produced that one, 72 00:05:01.399 --> 00:05:05.800 and she asked me to write for them. And I was very uttered because 73 00:05:05.920 --> 00:05:10.279 I loved Tandry. I love that movie. And that was the first one, 74 00:05:10.720 --> 00:05:13.240 you know, it was It was very stressful to me because I was 75 00:05:13.279 --> 00:05:15.720 like, man, this is like my big chance. I got to really, 76 00:05:15.800 --> 00:05:17.720 you know, write a good essay. So I was like just toiling 77 00:05:17.800 --> 00:05:20.720 over this essay, just editing it, editing in it, and you know, 78 00:05:20.800 --> 00:05:25.600 and she was very like open about like here's some things that could help. 79 00:05:25.680 --> 00:05:29.399 You know. It was fantastic experience all the way around. And then 80 00:05:30.040 --> 00:05:33.079 I don't know, it just was this crazy thing that they sent me my 81 00:05:33.199 --> 00:05:35.800 cap you know, my contributors copy, and I was like this is like 82 00:05:35.839 --> 00:05:41.759 a permanent, like you know, version of this movie that people will own 83 00:05:41.800 --> 00:05:44.399 and my name will be in it, and oh, you know, it's 84 00:05:44.439 --> 00:05:48.480 just like it's just a cool way I feel like to to contribute to this 85 00:05:48.639 --> 00:05:51.680 medium I love so much, which is cinema, Like I can, I 86 00:05:51.680 --> 00:05:55.800 would, you know, write about it. Let's extol the virtues of it. 87 00:05:56.199 --> 00:06:00.000 Let's you know, open these movies up and expose them to everybody. 88 00:06:00.040 --> 00:06:02.279 And I just after I did that first one, I was like, this 89 00:06:02.680 --> 00:06:10.040 is where my passion lies. I adore Sean Baker. He is somebody that 90 00:06:10.040 --> 00:06:13.680 I've been honored to have on the channel before. And when I first heard 91 00:06:13.680 --> 00:06:15.879 that this was coming out, I pre ordered it day one. This is 92 00:06:15.959 --> 00:06:19.360 like one of those dream releases. Never thought anybody would give this much respect 93 00:06:19.360 --> 00:06:25.879 to Tangerine, and then your essay in this is astonishing for somebody that I 94 00:06:25.920 --> 00:06:30.079 clearly had never heard of before this. It is such a great dive into 95 00:06:30.120 --> 00:06:34.319 who Sean is on his sets from everything that I've heard, and really gives 96 00:06:34.360 --> 00:06:38.079 a deep dive into what is to come from him because so much of his 97 00:06:38.120 --> 00:06:42.319 stuff is you know, even diving, like candid camera stuff where there's real 98 00:06:42.360 --> 00:06:46.680 people mixing with the actors, and not many people are doing that. And 99 00:06:46.759 --> 00:06:48.759 the way that you write about it, it captured it perfectly, so I 100 00:06:48.839 --> 00:06:56.000 can see why people wanted you to continue. Clearly, one thing that I 101 00:06:56.079 --> 00:06:59.680 had to ask because you, like me, are not really attached to a 102 00:06:59.800 --> 00:07:02.360 job film city. We're not, you know, in La or New York, 103 00:07:02.439 --> 00:07:08.959 and it can feel quite different from everything I've been told. And I'd 104 00:07:09.000 --> 00:07:13.639 like to hear from your perspective. Do you get any sense of how isolating 105 00:07:13.800 --> 00:07:15.879 this industry can be, because that's one thing I think from the outside looking 106 00:07:15.879 --> 00:07:20.240 in people can't really grasp until they've actually worked as part of it. Yeah. 107 00:07:20.319 --> 00:07:26.759 So yeah. The area my region is the Detroit region, and I 108 00:07:26.800 --> 00:07:30.079 love the city of Detroit. I don't live in Detroit. I live about 109 00:07:30.199 --> 00:07:32.480 i'd say, like thirty minutes outside of it, but in the suburbs called 110 00:07:32.519 --> 00:07:35.279 Metro Detroit. But I do go to Detroit all the time. I was 111 00:07:35.319 --> 00:07:40.920 just in Detroit yesterday. I'm back. The thing is, when you're a 112 00:07:40.959 --> 00:07:46.279 critic and a smaller city, you're oftentimes like the last that they think of, 113 00:07:46.480 --> 00:07:50.240 so La and New York and those kind of big cities, they go 114 00:07:50.319 --> 00:07:55.399 straight to them, and then we get kind of like whatever they want to 115 00:07:55.399 --> 00:07:58.720 give us. For the most part, we get a lot of the big 116 00:07:58.920 --> 00:08:03.560 Hollywood, big studio press screenings. Like I still, you know, work 117 00:08:03.639 --> 00:08:07.680 as like a regular critic on top of being like the freelance essay writer type 118 00:08:07.720 --> 00:08:11.199 thing. And it's just that, I guess, and it kind of made 119 00:08:11.199 --> 00:08:16.759 me realize where my passion lied, because when you're a critic, especially in 120 00:08:16.800 --> 00:08:20.879 the big cities, when you're in those big critic groups, there's a kind 121 00:08:20.879 --> 00:08:24.959 of a little bit of expectation that you're help in Hollywood out and they repay 122 00:08:24.959 --> 00:08:28.079 you by, Hey, you can come to this party and take a picture 123 00:08:28.079 --> 00:08:31.439 with Tom Hanks or something like that. But like, that's not I don't. 124 00:08:31.080 --> 00:08:33.919 Like I love actors and stuff, but that's not the part of the 125 00:08:33.960 --> 00:08:39.039 film that Like, I just don't care about meeting famous people and all that 126 00:08:39.120 --> 00:08:41.360 kind of stuff. You know. Half the time, it's like, don't 127 00:08:41.399 --> 00:08:46.720 meet your heroes anyways. I would rather just know them as their characters, 128 00:08:46.799 --> 00:08:50.320 right, I don't want to schmooze with them. I don't need a picture 129 00:08:50.360 --> 00:08:54.080 with them. I don't need poll quotes all the time. Not to say 130 00:08:54.120 --> 00:08:56.120 there's anything wrong with that, but it's just not my jam. I guess 131 00:08:58.000 --> 00:09:01.320 I would rather write about a film a different type of way than just trying 132 00:09:01.360 --> 00:09:07.360 to get on the movie poster or you know, be an influencer and have 133 00:09:07.399 --> 00:09:11.720 them send me free stuff like It's that's kind of not the part of criticism 134 00:09:11.200 --> 00:09:16.360 that I like, which is which is nice when you are in a smaller 135 00:09:16.399 --> 00:09:18.320 region, it's, uh, you don't have to deal with that as much 136 00:09:18.360 --> 00:09:24.039 because they're not sending Tom Cruise over to Detroit to you know, promote a 137 00:09:24.039 --> 00:09:26.559 movie. Right, He's going to be an la. So you just get 138 00:09:26.559 --> 00:09:30.799 the movies right, and you just get the press screenings, which is okay 139 00:09:30.840 --> 00:09:33.440 by me. That's all I want. I just want the movies. I 140 00:09:33.440 --> 00:09:37.120 don't want all the stuff around them. I'm kind of a private person a 141 00:09:37.159 --> 00:09:43.000 little bit. I'm very introverted, So I don't like doing interviews with famous 142 00:09:43.000 --> 00:09:45.559 people. I'd say no to those kind of things. I don't like doing 143 00:09:45.559 --> 00:09:48.720 commentaries because I think I have a weird voice and I just get nervous and 144 00:09:48.759 --> 00:09:52.919 I have at anxiety and stuff. I just want to write, you know, 145 00:09:52.200 --> 00:09:56.320 write it down and you read it. That's my That's the thing I 146 00:09:56.360 --> 00:10:01.200 like to do with with that. Do you have any fun or interesting story 147 00:10:01.279 --> 00:10:03.519 so far, are people discovering your writing on any of these physical releases that 148 00:10:03.600 --> 00:10:11.240 you've just been touched by and seen them respond to. You know, It's 149 00:10:11.279 --> 00:10:13.480 kind of funny because sometimes, like I'm in a lot of you know, 150 00:10:13.639 --> 00:10:18.840 film collecting groups because I also collect films, and sometimes I'll see somebody post 151 00:10:20.159 --> 00:10:24.600 like that they enjoyed this a certain release that I worked on and they liked 152 00:10:24.600 --> 00:10:26.159 the essay, and I'm like, oh, hey, that was me, 153 00:10:26.200 --> 00:10:28.600 and they're like oh, you know, like yeah, they get a little 154 00:10:28.600 --> 00:10:31.320 excited, you know, like I don't want to you know, a movie 155 00:10:31.399 --> 00:10:35.840 celebrity or anything like that, but it's just nice to know that somebody read 156 00:10:35.840 --> 00:10:39.639 what you wrote and enjoyed it and it touched them, you know. And 157 00:10:39.759 --> 00:10:43.759 I have a pretty active Facebook page and I get a lot of feedback through 158 00:10:43.759 --> 00:10:48.679 that, Like people will get the release and they'll DM me, you know, 159 00:10:48.759 --> 00:10:50.360 and say, hey, I got this release and I read your essay. 160 00:10:50.440 --> 00:10:54.440 It was great. I never thought about these certain aspects and or it's 161 00:10:54.440 --> 00:10:58.080 a movie that they loved their whole life that they could never find and finally 162 00:10:58.159 --> 00:11:03.120 it's like a four K, you know, crazy release and they're just like 163 00:11:03.159 --> 00:11:05.399 wow, this movie I loved. I've never seen it like this before. 164 00:11:05.440 --> 00:11:09.639 I've never seen it so Christine and give it so much care, and now 165 00:11:09.639 --> 00:11:13.080 everybody's writing about it, and you know that's it's more like one on one 166 00:11:13.200 --> 00:11:18.720 I get that type of feedback less so like getting you know, acknowledged in 167 00:11:18.759 --> 00:11:22.279 a whiter sense, you know, yeah, which, yeah, it definitely 168 00:11:22.320 --> 00:11:26.320 can make it seem sort of isolating. And sometimes just seeing you know, 169 00:11:26.360 --> 00:11:31.120 paying attention to how people review some of these. Quite often the reviews for 170 00:11:31.159 --> 00:11:35.200 the physical releases will be like, here's how the film looked, and these 171 00:11:35.279 --> 00:11:39.759 are the special features. Nothing about the special features, So it's it's always 172 00:11:39.799 --> 00:11:41.720 nice for people to pay extra close attention to those and actually write about what 173 00:11:41.759 --> 00:11:46.759 they got out of those as well. Yeah, because I actually write reviews 174 00:11:46.759 --> 00:11:50.440 sometimes too for movies in that way, and I always try to say something 175 00:11:50.720 --> 00:11:54.960 about every single little piece that somebody contributed, even just to say hey, 176 00:11:54.960 --> 00:11:56.399 I enjoyed it, you know, like I don't need, you know, 177 00:11:56.480 --> 00:12:01.399 I don't need to like break it down in like a five paragraph thing about 178 00:12:01.440 --> 00:12:03.679 a booklet, but I'll just say, hey, I read it, and 179 00:12:03.720 --> 00:12:07.320 I enjoyed this take that you had on it and that's that. And I 180 00:12:07.399 --> 00:12:09.159 enjoy when I read something else's review and they just give me a little nod, 181 00:12:09.240 --> 00:12:11.639 like, hey, I read a review her essay and I liked it, 182 00:12:11.679 --> 00:12:16.000 and I'm like, sweet, well, you mentioned some of these titles 183 00:12:16.039 --> 00:12:18.840 getting a crazy four K release, and one of the big ones you've been 184 00:12:18.879 --> 00:12:24.480 able to write on Isle from Vinegar Syndrome. This getting a VSU is still 185 00:12:24.480 --> 00:12:28.360 wild to me. The fact that somebody took the time and energy and the 186 00:12:28.679 --> 00:12:31.399 money, I mean, the fact that this takes so much work to make 187 00:12:31.399 --> 00:12:33.519 a release like this, and you got to be a part of it. 188 00:12:33.559 --> 00:12:37.120 And in your essay you're talking about how you saw it when you were so 189 00:12:37.279 --> 00:12:39.919 young, and I just love stories like that. So I mean, how 190 00:12:39.960 --> 00:12:43.240 do you feel about something that affected you when you were younger? Now you 191 00:12:43.279 --> 00:12:46.759 know, three and a half decades later, you get to write and share 192 00:12:46.759 --> 00:12:50.360 that passion with the world. I know. You know. When I got 193 00:12:50.399 --> 00:12:52.559 an email asking me if I wanted to contribute to Daryl, I was like, 194 00:12:54.240 --> 00:12:56.440 over the moon. I was like, because Daryl's one of those core 195 00:12:56.519 --> 00:13:01.559 memory style movies for me where it's just this little aspect of it just stuck 196 00:13:01.600 --> 00:13:05.120 in my brain forever and it was the whole position part where you know he's 197 00:13:05.120 --> 00:13:07.639 playing it and he's going and he's going around and he's like crazy, get 198 00:13:07.679 --> 00:13:11.679 at it. I don't know why that's stuck in my head. But the 199 00:13:11.720 --> 00:13:15.240 funny thing about it is when I wrote that essay, I had so many 200 00:13:15.240 --> 00:13:18.480 people contact me and say that exact thing was stuck in my head. And 201 00:13:18.519 --> 00:13:22.159 some of them were like, I don't. I didn't. I thought I 202 00:13:22.200 --> 00:13:24.000 made that up. I didn't think it was an actual movie. I thought 203 00:13:24.000 --> 00:13:28.159 it was like a fever dream or I've been trying to find out what the 204 00:13:28.159 --> 00:13:31.159 hell this movie was where I saw this kid playing a shame for so long, 205 00:13:31.240 --> 00:13:33.279 and now I've figured it out, you know, like through that. 206 00:13:33.399 --> 00:13:39.960 But it's it's just fantastic. Especially I love revisiting films where you know, 207 00:13:39.000 --> 00:13:43.960 I saw him as a kid and I have this really strong memory about it, 208 00:13:43.000 --> 00:13:46.240 and then I I rewatch it with a different eye, which is the 209 00:13:46.240 --> 00:13:50.759 critical eye, you know, and I find most of the time they're richer 210 00:13:52.039 --> 00:13:56.039 than I remember. There's so much stuff I missed as a child, so 211 00:13:56.120 --> 00:14:01.120 much, you know, context and subtext and and all that kind of thing, 212 00:14:01.200 --> 00:14:05.639 and they're just it opens the film up into a completely new film almost 213 00:14:05.720 --> 00:14:07.480 to me. And that happened with Daryl because you know, I ain't seen 214 00:14:07.519 --> 00:14:09.799 Darryl in a really long time, and that's why I jumped. I was 215 00:14:09.840 --> 00:14:13.240 like, man, I would love to write about that and really, you 216 00:14:13.240 --> 00:14:18.039 know, interrogate with myself why I had this memory of it. And when 217 00:14:18.159 --> 00:14:18.840 we watched it, I was like, Wow, there's actually a lot of 218 00:14:18.840 --> 00:14:22.080 cool stuff going on in Darryl. I mean, yeah, it's like, 219 00:14:22.360 --> 00:14:24.720 you know, a cheesy eighties movie at the end of the day, it's 220 00:14:24.919 --> 00:14:26.600 it's a little goofies for kids, you know, but there's a lot of 221 00:14:26.639 --> 00:14:31.720 deeper themes going on in that film, you know that I never noticed as 222 00:14:31.759 --> 00:14:35.919 a child. Well, one of the things that really jumped out about your 223 00:14:35.000 --> 00:14:41.399 essays you write about autism a little bit and how the d D specifically is 224 00:14:41.399 --> 00:14:45.919 a part of this and messing with the scientific side of things, and that 225 00:14:46.200 --> 00:14:48.639 it is super personal to me for multiple reasons. I got two kids diagnosed 226 00:14:48.639 --> 00:14:52.600 with autism, and then I originally my first job with the government was with 227 00:14:52.679 --> 00:14:58.600 the DoD And knowing you know nowadays you and I are both federal employees, 228 00:14:58.600 --> 00:15:01.080 how do you had how do you feel, you know, writing about something 229 00:15:01.159 --> 00:15:05.120 that you're technically kind of a part of Yeah, you know, because so 230 00:15:05.240 --> 00:15:09.600 I used to be in the military. I was in the Air Force for 231 00:15:09.679 --> 00:15:13.080 ten years and I did air traff patrol then and then I got a military 232 00:15:13.120 --> 00:15:16.639 and I worked for the Air National Guard and I still do air traffic control, 233 00:15:16.000 --> 00:15:20.960 but as a civilian on the d D side. So you know, 234 00:15:20.120 --> 00:15:26.840 I've seen like how military mine works from the inside, and I've also seen 235 00:15:26.879 --> 00:15:31.840 how it works from the civilian side. So and you know, and I 236 00:15:31.840 --> 00:15:35.120 don't want to and a lot of people will, you know, have issues 237 00:15:35.120 --> 00:15:37.159 with you working for the federal government. And I get it because we the 238 00:15:37.200 --> 00:15:41.120 federal government does some shady shit all time. So you know, I get 239 00:15:41.159 --> 00:15:45.000 it. But you know, I got paid the bills. You know, 240 00:15:45.080 --> 00:15:48.360 I got you know, I got to exists within capitalism. Maybe I could 241 00:15:48.399 --> 00:15:50.440 do a different job, but it's the only job I know how to do, 242 00:15:50.559 --> 00:15:54.799 to be honest. So it's like a really technical thing and we're in 243 00:15:54.879 --> 00:16:00.879 high demand. So but it was just interesting to see, you know, 244 00:16:00.000 --> 00:16:06.080 Darryl's the thing with Darryl is they're trying to make Daryl into a weapon when 245 00:16:06.080 --> 00:16:11.639 he's just a child, and they don't understand why he is the way he 246 00:16:11.720 --> 00:16:15.960 is when he's just being, he's just becoming human. And to become human 247 00:16:15.120 --> 00:16:18.799 is to gain empathy, and to gain empathy is to not want to kill 248 00:16:18.840 --> 00:16:22.440 anyone. So they they messed up, I guess with Daryl by making him 249 00:16:22.440 --> 00:16:26.960 a child, because the way a child sees the world is just is just 250 00:16:27.039 --> 00:16:33.360 through love and compassion. And I was just really drawn to the idea of 251 00:16:33.120 --> 00:16:37.960 Darryl becoming more and more human as the film progressed, and the d D 252 00:16:38.639 --> 00:16:42.320 losing their control over him because they can't control the human spirit. They can 253 00:16:42.360 --> 00:16:48.120 only control money and items, and you know, and and you know. 254 00:16:48.200 --> 00:16:52.639 It's also like the idea of like when you're working at a job and like 255 00:16:52.799 --> 00:16:56.399 your body is like the physical labor, they own your body. Basically, 256 00:16:56.440 --> 00:17:00.639 they own the labor that you are giving them for eight hours or whatever. 257 00:17:00.840 --> 00:17:03.600 And when you're in the military or you work for the Fed, like it's 258 00:17:03.600 --> 00:17:06.880 even more so. They own you. They own everything about you. You're 259 00:17:06.920 --> 00:17:08.759 just a number to them, You're nothing to them, and they will replace 260 00:17:08.759 --> 00:17:12.599 you immediately to get the mission done right. So I just thought it was 261 00:17:12.640 --> 00:17:15.599 an interesting angle with Darryl that I had never Obviously i'd never thought of as 262 00:17:15.599 --> 00:17:18.880 a kid because I was just a kid. But now that I'm an adult 263 00:17:18.920 --> 00:17:22.599 that's gotten more knowledge, I was like, Wow, there's like a whole 264 00:17:22.599 --> 00:17:26.599 other world going on in this film that I never really saw before, right 265 00:17:27.480 --> 00:17:30.920 you. I mean, that's perfect segue because you had mentioned your Facebook page 266 00:17:30.960 --> 00:17:36.400 is pretty active, and that is my only interaction with you so far before 267 00:17:36.559 --> 00:17:41.799 this moment today is through your Facebook page and everything that you've written, everything, 268 00:17:41.880 --> 00:17:45.079 all of your interactions with people. There's something about it that's so welcoming. 269 00:17:45.279 --> 00:17:49.079 And there's a lot of people in the film community that keep the shit 270 00:17:49.160 --> 00:17:53.440 out of everything and I hate it. And one thing I'd love to hear 271 00:17:53.519 --> 00:17:57.440 your take on as somebody from a smaller town, how do you feel about 272 00:17:57.480 --> 00:18:02.759 film criticism, the state overall of film criticism in twenty twenty four, Because 273 00:18:03.200 --> 00:18:07.279 obviously you can view it as water down through the internet essentially, you can 274 00:18:07.400 --> 00:18:11.519 view it as being hot take heavy, you can view it as people just 275 00:18:11.680 --> 00:18:17.160 doing you know, clickbait headlines. There's so many different bad things that can 276 00:18:17.200 --> 00:18:21.160 happen, but overall, film criticism seems to be richer than ever if you 277 00:18:21.240 --> 00:18:23.440 find the right people. So I just love to hear what you think on 278 00:18:23.480 --> 00:18:29.160 that. So one of the good things about film criticism now, I think 279 00:18:29.359 --> 00:18:34.799 is that it's more diverse. There are more voices. Sometimes you'll hear older 280 00:18:34.839 --> 00:18:38.519 film critics, like a lot older, like maybe like in the boomer kind 281 00:18:38.519 --> 00:18:47.559 of generation, a little gen X there. I guess there's some dismay about 282 00:18:47.599 --> 00:18:52.279 the idea that anyone can be a film critic. Now. I'm a perfect 283 00:18:52.279 --> 00:18:56.759 example of this. I didn't go to college for a film I couldn't afford 284 00:18:56.839 --> 00:19:00.480 it when we were poor when I was growing up, but I was able. 285 00:19:00.599 --> 00:19:04.319 I literally when I started writing seriously, I wanted more knowledge. So 286 00:19:04.400 --> 00:19:08.359 I just went online and looked at a film course and looked at the curriculum, 287 00:19:08.480 --> 00:19:12.000 and I just bought those books and read them. Like I can't afford 288 00:19:12.039 --> 00:19:17.400 college, but I can afford you know, secondhand books. And then you 289 00:19:17.480 --> 00:19:21.960 go online. There's a huge resource of like you can look up any type 290 00:19:21.960 --> 00:19:26.279 of subject and get like as much knowledge as you want for free. Essentially. 291 00:19:26.640 --> 00:19:30.359 Yeah, so there's no gatekeeping now with like you have to have a 292 00:19:30.359 --> 00:19:33.359 college degree or a journalism degree. Not to say that those aren't important, 293 00:19:33.400 --> 00:19:37.200 because they are, but uh, there's you know, anybody can be a 294 00:19:37.240 --> 00:19:40.680 film critic. You can start a blog, watch a film, write about 295 00:19:40.680 --> 00:19:42.359 it, post bam, you got to review up and you're a film critic. 296 00:19:42.599 --> 00:19:47.079 Are you could be the least knowledgeable film critic ever, but you're still 297 00:19:47.119 --> 00:19:51.880 a film critic. You still have and I you know, you know, 298 00:19:51.920 --> 00:19:53.480 you have a view on a film and you wrote it and you critiqued it. 299 00:19:55.079 --> 00:19:57.519 And I think a lot of there's like a lot of the old guard 300 00:19:57.720 --> 00:20:03.680 is I don't want to say, scared, nervous that they'll be you know, 301 00:20:03.160 --> 00:20:08.119 replaced. And I can kind of and understand it because there are a 302 00:20:08.160 --> 00:20:12.200 new there's a new type of critic and they're kind of mixed, you know, 303 00:20:12.319 --> 00:20:18.599 influencers, and uh, there's a lot of you know, strife with 304 00:20:18.680 --> 00:20:22.799 the influencers because it's sometimes it's hard to tell if they really like a movie 305 00:20:22.920 --> 00:20:26.119 or if the studio is just paying them to say they like a movie, 306 00:20:26.240 --> 00:20:30.759 or they're scared to say negative things about films because they don't want to lose 307 00:20:30.799 --> 00:20:40.400 their sponsorships. So I understand the trepidation, but I also think it's overall 308 00:20:40.720 --> 00:20:45.079 it's better that more people can be a part of this and not have to 309 00:20:45.119 --> 00:20:49.240 go through like all this stuff to just you know, write about films. 310 00:20:49.279 --> 00:20:52.960 Some people just have this, like as when I was growing up, I 311 00:20:52.960 --> 00:20:55.680 just had to urge to write about stuff. I would read something and I 312 00:20:55.720 --> 00:20:57.400 would want to write about it, and I never got rid of that urge, 313 00:20:57.680 --> 00:21:03.279 and eventually it's into being a film critic. But I do think there's 314 00:21:03.279 --> 00:21:07.119 a tendency for people to want to be the person with the hot take, 315 00:21:07.319 --> 00:21:12.000 because negativity gets more attention in this that gets you more social currency. Right 316 00:21:12.039 --> 00:21:15.759 now, for some reason, I do think there's a little bit of an 317 00:21:15.799 --> 00:21:22.359 issue with media literacy. I think a lot of people, it might be 318 00:21:22.400 --> 00:21:26.640 a younger person think only because they just haven't seen a lot of stuff. 319 00:21:26.720 --> 00:21:30.839 Right. The more things you see, the more it opens up your vision 320 00:21:30.920 --> 00:21:34.000 on things and more life experience you get. But a lot of people I 321 00:21:34.160 --> 00:21:40.960 find are watching films and taking everything literally that happens in the film as what 322 00:21:41.000 --> 00:21:44.680 the film is about, when obviously, yes, there are the literal events 323 00:21:44.680 --> 00:21:48.680 that are happening on the surface level, but there's also themes and subtexts and 324 00:21:48.799 --> 00:21:55.039 allegory. And I think maybe the proliferation of like Marvel films and stuff where 325 00:21:55.039 --> 00:21:59.400 everything's very good bad, you know, black white, there's no gray area. 326 00:21:59.559 --> 00:22:02.480 In these time type of films, people are having a little bit of 327 00:22:02.480 --> 00:22:06.359 trouble, uh, you know, watching a movie that has, you know, 328 00:22:06.599 --> 00:22:10.119 a protagonist that might not be a good person, or something that doesn't 329 00:22:10.160 --> 00:22:15.119 have a redemption arc, or maybe some people maybe the villain is a mixture 330 00:22:15.119 --> 00:22:18.839 of good and bad, you know. I think people are a struggle on 331 00:22:18.400 --> 00:22:26.039 a little bit with that. And I also don't like where people say if 332 00:22:26.039 --> 00:22:29.640 you like a movie, that makes you a bad person, right, Like, 333 00:22:29.640 --> 00:22:32.279 like if you watch a movie that's a bad a bad person and you 334 00:22:32.400 --> 00:22:34.960 like it, that you're somehow you know, saying it's okay to be a 335 00:22:34.960 --> 00:22:37.720 bad person. Like, but you know that's fake, right that None of 336 00:22:37.720 --> 00:22:44.440 that stuff's real. These are not real situations. So you can explore different 337 00:22:44.519 --> 00:22:48.039 types of feelings, some of them even evil, bad, you know, 338 00:22:48.400 --> 00:22:52.599 upset, scared, you know, you can explore a gamut of emotions through 339 00:22:52.640 --> 00:22:56.480 a film that you wouldn't experience and realize that's the whole point of watching a 340 00:22:56.519 --> 00:23:00.880 movie is to experience something outside of your normal you know, life. So 341 00:23:02.480 --> 00:23:04.920 that's that's my thought. I overall think film criticism is going to be fine. 342 00:23:04.960 --> 00:23:08.400 It's just going through a transitional phase, and you know, everybody gets 343 00:23:08.480 --> 00:23:14.160 upset when stuff changes. So the media literacy is a great point. And 344 00:23:14.240 --> 00:23:18.200 I think that even further than that deep seated, I think we're gonna start 345 00:23:18.200 --> 00:23:22.480 seeing a problem with a just plain literacy problem. There's so many people that 346 00:23:22.559 --> 00:23:26.119 will I've seen especially in like some of these I hate to go back to 347 00:23:26.200 --> 00:23:30.559 social media, but like Facebook threads where people see either an article posted or 348 00:23:30.599 --> 00:23:34.440 a review posted of a film and read the first paragraph, and first off, 349 00:23:34.519 --> 00:23:37.680 not even truly read the first paragraph, but they're only responding to that 350 00:23:37.720 --> 00:23:44.079 paragraph, but then like missed words in sentences and not actually understanding what was 351 00:23:44.119 --> 00:23:48.880 being portrayed there. And I don't know how like we can recover from some 352 00:23:48.960 --> 00:23:52.039 of that. It's going to take a long time. Yeah, I mean, 353 00:23:52.319 --> 00:23:55.920 I mean there's just like there's a lot where people will share an article 354 00:23:55.960 --> 00:23:59.920 and it's very obvious they only read the title of the article and that we 355 00:24:00.240 --> 00:24:04.000 need the body of it. And there's a lot of Another thing I don't 356 00:24:04.079 --> 00:24:07.720 like. Well now I'm just like ranting, but you know another thing I 357 00:24:07.720 --> 00:24:14.319 don't like. It really grinds my gears is people that talk about movies they 358 00:24:14.319 --> 00:24:18.319 haven't seen in a definitive sense. I cannot stand that. And I've had 359 00:24:18.480 --> 00:24:22.160 so many times because I go to press screening so I see stuff early, 360 00:24:22.640 --> 00:24:25.839 and people will legit argue with me about my view on a film, like 361 00:24:25.839 --> 00:24:30.480 you haven't seen it, what do you what are you arguing with me about? 362 00:24:30.599 --> 00:24:33.599 Like watch the movie first. Everybody's like there will be like all these 363 00:24:33.640 --> 00:24:40.079 threads with people being pissed about a movie it's not even out. This happened 364 00:24:40.079 --> 00:24:42.960 with Civil Wars so much. I was like, just can we just wait 365 00:24:44.079 --> 00:24:45.960 for the gag dang movie to come out and let's all watch it, and 366 00:24:47.000 --> 00:24:49.960 then watch once we've seen it with our eyeballs, we can discuss what happened 367 00:24:49.960 --> 00:24:53.799 in the movie. Or Another thing I'll see is somebody will have not seen 368 00:24:53.839 --> 00:24:59.200 a movie and they'll read somebody else's review and then they'll use that review to 369 00:24:59.319 --> 00:25:02.519 argue with you, and you're like, you haven't seen it, I don't 370 00:25:02.559 --> 00:25:06.079 know it. Just really it's one of my biggest, absolute, biggest pet 371 00:25:06.119 --> 00:25:11.359 peeves. There's people who haven't seen a movie, like having a definitive opinion 372 00:25:11.359 --> 00:25:15.319 on its quality or talking about what's happening in it with and they don't have 373 00:25:15.400 --> 00:25:19.279 context. You know, well, and that happens with contemporary films all the 374 00:25:19.319 --> 00:25:23.559 time. But as somebody that works in physical media every day, the amount 375 00:25:23.559 --> 00:25:26.240 of people that do that for films that have been around for decades that they 376 00:25:26.319 --> 00:25:30.519 clearly haven't seen almost feels worse. And it feels like, I don't know 377 00:25:30.559 --> 00:25:33.559 if it's a generational thing, but I feel like we passed down this level 378 00:25:33.599 --> 00:25:37.960 of gatekeeping where somebody gate keeps themselves and they're not allowed to admit that they 379 00:25:37.960 --> 00:25:41.680 haven't seen a movie. Yeah, it's like, we're not gonna excoriate you 380 00:25:41.720 --> 00:25:47.079 for not having seen something, just admit it. Yeah, I see. 381 00:25:47.119 --> 00:25:48.599 I do see that a lot where people, you know, well, I 382 00:25:48.599 --> 00:25:52.039 think some of it is because sometimes if you say you haven't seen something, 383 00:25:52.079 --> 00:25:55.599 everybodys like, oh, you know, and I might. You know, 384 00:25:55.720 --> 00:26:00.640 there's hundreds of thousands of movies, and you only live so long and I 385 00:26:00.799 --> 00:26:03.720 worked, you know, eight hours a day every day, like you only 386 00:26:03.759 --> 00:26:07.559 watch so much stuff, and sometimes I have holes and I'm one hundred percent 387 00:26:07.799 --> 00:26:10.839 open. I'm like I all the time. Like last year, I was 388 00:26:10.880 --> 00:26:14.559 like, watched Cliffhanger for the first time, and everybody was like, you 389 00:26:14.599 --> 00:26:17.759 know, their heads were like I just never seen Cliffhanger. I don't know 390 00:26:17.799 --> 00:26:18.880 what to tell you. Man, I never saw it. Now I've seen 391 00:26:18.920 --> 00:26:22.400 it. Now I'm as cool as you. We're all cool now. You 392 00:26:22.400 --> 00:26:26.240 know. It's not even that kind of a movie. I know. I 393 00:26:26.279 --> 00:26:27.519 mean, I liked it, but it was like I just you know, 394 00:26:29.359 --> 00:26:33.880 I'm I'm still a good person even though I didn't see Cliffhanger, right right. 395 00:26:33.519 --> 00:26:37.240 Uh well, speaking of good people, not exactly. That was just 396 00:26:37.279 --> 00:26:40.960 my attempt at a funny transition. Why don't you tell everybody about fatal termination 397 00:26:41.039 --> 00:26:45.480 because I love that in what you've written about, this comes out of nowhere 398 00:26:45.480 --> 00:26:52.160 compared to Tajerine and Darryl, and this is a fun piece. Yeah so 399 00:26:52.160 --> 00:26:59.400 so uh errow era error four four four. I felt like I said to 400 00:26:59.440 --> 00:27:06.079 me for US four force. Uh. They actually were interesting because this was 401 00:27:06.160 --> 00:27:11.079 early on in my essay career and I like cold call them, you know, 402 00:27:11.200 --> 00:27:14.279 with an email. I just send me an email with a bunch of 403 00:27:14.319 --> 00:27:15.880 my work and I said, hey, I know you guys are up and 404 00:27:15.920 --> 00:27:19.200 coming, just starting out. I would love to write essays for you. 405 00:27:21.359 --> 00:27:25.640 And they were very open to it. They were super cool. They also 406 00:27:25.640 --> 00:27:27.400 have a lot of women working on their stuff. I mean it's it's I 407 00:27:27.440 --> 00:27:33.119 believe it's two men that run in. But they hire so many women to 408 00:27:33.559 --> 00:27:37.240 write things, write things for them, do art design, like, they 409 00:27:37.319 --> 00:27:41.000 hire a lot of women. And I was like, hey, and I 410 00:27:41.039 --> 00:27:45.480 told them, I was like, you know, to my specialties is you 411 00:27:45.480 --> 00:27:49.799 know, Hong Kong cinema and Japanese cinema. And so they said, well, 412 00:27:49.799 --> 00:27:53.240 here's a list of what we have coming out. Which one you want 413 00:27:53.240 --> 00:27:56.319 to write on? And one of them was Fatal Termination and the other one 414 00:27:56.519 --> 00:28:02.039 was, uh it was a Funky Force, both the Funky Forest films. 415 00:28:02.119 --> 00:28:06.000 Yeah, And I said, all right, you know, so, uh, 416 00:28:06.079 --> 00:28:11.359 Failed Termination that movie was just wild. The thing with Failed Termination was 417 00:28:11.440 --> 00:28:15.000 just the sheer audacity of everything that's going on in that movie. And it's 418 00:28:15.039 --> 00:28:22.000 famous obviously because of the stunt involving them like literally hanging a child outside of 419 00:28:22.000 --> 00:28:26.599 a moving car. Now, when you first watch it, it's edited very 420 00:28:26.599 --> 00:28:29.920 well, it looks more dangerous, I think than it was. Not to 421 00:28:29.960 --> 00:28:36.000 say you know that it wasn't reckless as fuck to do that, but when 422 00:28:36.039 --> 00:28:38.640 you when you I rewatched that scene a couple of times and I realized they 423 00:28:38.640 --> 00:28:42.640 had, like was it undercranked it so it looked like they were going slower 424 00:28:42.680 --> 00:28:45.200 than it looks and then it made it look faster. But that kid is 425 00:28:45.240 --> 00:28:49.400 obviously like scared out of her mind, she is. And I tried to 426 00:28:49.440 --> 00:28:52.759 look up like about that kid. I couldn't really find anything. I'm like, 427 00:28:52.799 --> 00:28:56.359 did she survive? Like do other stuff? Like I still traumatized. 428 00:28:56.799 --> 00:29:00.519 I was really worried about her well being after that, like, just go 429 00:29:00.559 --> 00:29:03.759 to therapy. It just it's just such a harb And a lot of Hong 430 00:29:03.880 --> 00:29:08.319 Kong movies are like that though. They're just the wildest shit that wouldn't roll 431 00:29:08.400 --> 00:29:12.279 now. But it's but it's great that they it got made so you get 432 00:29:12.279 --> 00:29:15.559 to see it, you know, and it's just you don't see that kind 433 00:29:15.559 --> 00:29:21.279 of recklessness and just out of pocket stuff, you know. And I really 434 00:29:21.359 --> 00:29:23.720 enjoyed writing about that one. That was a fun one. It's a good 435 00:29:23.720 --> 00:29:30.759 piece and one that explains just the the overall tones behind some of these choices 436 00:29:30.960 --> 00:29:33.240 much more than people consider, I think when watching some of these films, 437 00:29:33.279 --> 00:29:37.359 because yeah, that scenms wild, but no, really that scene is wild. 438 00:29:37.680 --> 00:29:42.079 Think about what had to be like fifteen at least people had to sign 439 00:29:42.079 --> 00:29:47.599 off on that, and the child's parents says, we're okay with it. 440 00:29:47.720 --> 00:29:48.519 I don't know if they just gave them a bag of money or like, 441 00:29:48.799 --> 00:29:53.920 she'll probably be okay. I don't you know. I know, you know. 442 00:29:53.920 --> 00:29:59.119 And a lot of Hong Kong films are fun just because of the tonal 443 00:29:59.440 --> 00:30:03.559 whip black you get from them, because every almost everyone I watch, it's 444 00:30:03.640 --> 00:30:07.359 just it'll be like slapstick comedy and then like, uh, and then all 445 00:30:07.359 --> 00:30:11.680 of a sudden, they'll just like graphically murder somebody and then they'll be like 446 00:30:11.759 --> 00:30:15.799 essay scene and then it's back to the comedy, and then there's like people 447 00:30:15.920 --> 00:30:19.079 slipping on banana peels, and then somebody's get stabbed in the throat three minutes 448 00:30:19.160 --> 00:30:22.279 later, and it's like you're just like try to hold on and figure out 449 00:30:22.279 --> 00:30:25.559 the buck's going off movie. And it's like I love them for that. 450 00:30:25.640 --> 00:30:30.000 It's great. I do as well. And yeah, Funky Four's Workforce was 451 00:30:30.039 --> 00:30:33.839 another release from Air four four four, and then uh, the other two. 452 00:30:33.880 --> 00:30:36.960 I mean you got two coming out from Arrow that were just recently announced 453 00:30:37.000 --> 00:30:41.359 too. You got new Witnesses, Yeah, Mute Witness and uh Mute Witness. 454 00:30:41.799 --> 00:30:48.039 I absolutely loved writing on I was, Uh, just it's it's such 455 00:30:48.079 --> 00:30:52.119 a you know, speaking of tone switching. That's another movie that that does 456 00:30:52.160 --> 00:30:56.359 it. It's you know, it starts out like pretty gram, I would 457 00:30:56.400 --> 00:31:00.279 say, and then it transitions into like a comedy of pretty much you know, 458 00:31:00.519 --> 00:31:03.160 like and I was, you know, it's just a lot of people 459 00:31:03.200 --> 00:31:07.319 aren't ready for that. But I think that's kind of what makes infamous. 460 00:31:07.359 --> 00:31:10.799 I think it's that a little bit of that tone switching. And that one 461 00:31:10.839 --> 00:31:17.680 I had fun writing about because I did a piece that was basically exploring mute 462 00:31:17.680 --> 00:31:22.279 women in cinema. So I picked some films that I thought were interesting, 463 00:31:22.720 --> 00:31:27.079 like older films that work up to like when Mute Witness came out. The 464 00:31:27.519 --> 00:31:33.440 exploration of why you know, filmmakers are attracted to mute women, what it 465 00:31:33.519 --> 00:31:37.720 means, you know, thematically in each film that I picked working up to 466 00:31:37.799 --> 00:31:41.480 Mute Witness. So that was like a more fun, kind of like esoteric 467 00:31:41.960 --> 00:31:45.640 style essay which I like to do. Sometimes sometimes I do those types and 468 00:31:45.680 --> 00:31:48.799 sometimes I do a really pointed one that's like just directly about the film, 469 00:31:48.799 --> 00:31:56.519 but sometimes I like to explore kind of around the atmosphere, the context or 470 00:31:56.599 --> 00:32:00.920 other films I kind of play into this like over over reen like theme, 471 00:32:00.200 --> 00:32:06.319 you know that the film is trying to convey. And then narc coming out 472 00:32:06.359 --> 00:32:08.920 as the second HD release, opening it down on four K, that's a 473 00:32:08.920 --> 00:32:14.839 pretty big deal. Yeah. And you know, I wouldn't say I. 474 00:32:14.839 --> 00:32:19.240 I write about crime films a lot, So I felt like that one was 475 00:32:19.240 --> 00:32:22.039 a really good challenge for me because I don't usually write about, you know, 476 00:32:22.160 --> 00:32:25.160 mafia style films or crime films. It's just not that I don't like 477 00:32:25.200 --> 00:32:28.720 them, it's just, you know, not my wheelhouse. And I was 478 00:32:28.759 --> 00:32:30.920 like, wow, I would really enjoy stretching my legs with this one, 479 00:32:30.960 --> 00:32:37.359 and and and write about it. And and Narcis is such a intense film 480 00:32:37.559 --> 00:32:44.200 and it's filmed more art house than you would expect. And in rewatching that, 481 00:32:44.279 --> 00:32:47.480 I discovered that I don't dislike early two thousand aesthetic as much as I 482 00:32:47.480 --> 00:32:51.279 thought I did. And it's actually become nostalgic to me. I used to 483 00:32:51.359 --> 00:32:53.200 like, not like the way they looked. I felt like they looked techy, 484 00:32:53.359 --> 00:33:00.960 But upon revisiting it, I realized that it's a really specific style and 485 00:33:00.039 --> 00:33:06.920 of stout editing, of color choice, and it's just and not gets like 486 00:33:06.960 --> 00:33:09.640 such a. It's such a dark film, and it's more about two men 487 00:33:09.839 --> 00:33:14.839 trying to come to terms with things they've done in the past and how it 488 00:33:14.839 --> 00:33:19.559 affects their future and trying to atone for things, and that sometimes no matter 489 00:33:19.559 --> 00:33:23.960 how hard you try, like you can never escape those feelings of regret, 490 00:33:24.200 --> 00:33:29.920 you know. And and it has such a powerful ending. It was just 491 00:33:30.440 --> 00:33:32.519 it's just such a good film, you know, and it deserves a really 492 00:33:32.599 --> 00:33:36.400 nice release like that. And I was, you know, and I was 493 00:33:36.599 --> 00:33:40.359 really happy to write about it. I loved exploring something that I usually don't, 494 00:33:40.440 --> 00:33:45.839 you know. I'm stoked that both of these specifically are getting releases. 495 00:33:45.880 --> 00:33:49.960 I feel like Mute Witness has been ripe for rediscovery for quite some time, 496 00:33:50.000 --> 00:33:52.039 and now we got this release coming out from Arrow. It just dropped on 497 00:33:52.079 --> 00:33:54.880 Shutter and now finally people are talking about it. I'm like, yes, 498 00:33:55.079 --> 00:33:59.720 finally you can understand what we've all been talking about. This movie is amazing 499 00:34:00.839 --> 00:34:02.599 you. Clearly by looking behind, you love physical media like a lot of 500 00:34:02.680 --> 00:34:07.079 us. What kind of stuff do you collect or are you into pretty much 501 00:34:07.079 --> 00:34:08.639 all types of films or what do you what are you buying? Yes, 502 00:34:09.159 --> 00:34:14.239 it's kind of like a running joke on my Facebook that I have really eclectic 503 00:34:14.320 --> 00:34:17.159 tastes because I will I post my hauls every once in a while as I 504 00:34:17.199 --> 00:34:21.840 collect them over the month or so, and it's always like it'll be like 505 00:34:21.920 --> 00:34:27.199 a vintage seventies porn, a Disney movie, and then it will be like, 506 00:34:27.360 --> 00:34:30.719 you know, a nineties movie, and then an award winning documentary, 507 00:34:31.039 --> 00:34:36.519 and then like some like dumpster trash I found at the thrift store that's like 508 00:34:36.559 --> 00:34:40.719 nobody's ever heard of. I just I'm blind by a lot of movies too, 509 00:34:40.960 --> 00:34:45.639 And you think that, you know, I would come up across a 510 00:34:45.679 --> 00:34:47.320 lot of stuff I don't like, but I don't. Strangely, I would. 511 00:34:47.360 --> 00:34:51.199 I can count on one hand the amount of times I've blind by the 512 00:34:51.199 --> 00:34:54.000 film and I was like, I hated it. Like it's just I feel 513 00:34:54.039 --> 00:34:58.559 like it's fun. I don't know. I'll just go through my collection and 514 00:34:58.599 --> 00:35:00.599 then just pick out a random movie I haven't seen and watch I'm like, 515 00:35:00.639 --> 00:35:06.199 oh wow, it was amazing. And I when my boyfriend comes over, 516 00:35:06.320 --> 00:35:09.920 we have movie night, and another little thing that people like on my Facebook 517 00:35:09.960 --> 00:35:13.920 page, I call it my boyfriend picks a movie night because he'll just go 518 00:35:14.039 --> 00:35:15.960 and my boyfriend is not a film buff. He likes films, but he's 519 00:35:16.000 --> 00:35:20.519 not like into it like I am at all. So he just picks movies 520 00:35:20.559 --> 00:35:22.599 like the cover looks cool, you know, stuff like that, and then 521 00:35:22.800 --> 00:35:25.760 and I find it it's a cool way to like explore my collection through the 522 00:35:25.760 --> 00:35:30.119 eyes of somebody else, the way they would choose a film. And I 523 00:35:30.360 --> 00:35:32.920 love watching them go through and he'll hold it up, you know. And 524 00:35:34.079 --> 00:35:38.280 a couple one time it was a sallow and I've seen Salo. He had 525 00:35:38.400 --> 00:35:40.519 a message and he's like, Oh, what's this. It's like some kind 526 00:35:40.559 --> 00:35:43.840 of art house film. I was like, yeah, yeah, let's watch 527 00:35:43.880 --> 00:35:46.559 it. And he's just like the whole movie, right, And it's just 528 00:35:46.679 --> 00:35:52.320 fun to like see him expose himself to things like that, and it's you 529 00:35:52.360 --> 00:35:55.599 know, it's it's fun. I only I don't really collect a whole lot 530 00:35:55.639 --> 00:36:00.079 of formats, like you know, I don't. I have some vhs and 531 00:36:00.079 --> 00:36:04.039 I have a couple of laser discs, but it's almost pretty much DVD, 532 00:36:04.159 --> 00:36:07.239 Blu Ray, and four K. And I'm not a big double dipper. 533 00:36:07.440 --> 00:36:09.199 If I have something on Blu Ray, I won't upgrade it to four K. 534 00:36:09.360 --> 00:36:14.320 I only upgrade DVDs. I have to the higher because it's just it's 535 00:36:14.320 --> 00:36:16.960 already too much money and I just have to give myself some kind of like 536 00:36:17.079 --> 00:36:22.480 boundary. So I so broke. You know. Uh, what are what 537 00:36:22.519 --> 00:36:23.880 are some of the releases of the last couple of years that have blown you 538 00:36:23.920 --> 00:36:32.639 away? Man? Recently? I really liked the four K of Conan that 539 00:36:32.719 --> 00:36:39.960 came out through uh Arrow, That was an absolutely beautiful release. I bought 540 00:36:40.079 --> 00:36:45.079 that, Uh the Donna Dead release? Who did? Who did that second 541 00:36:45.119 --> 00:36:49.920 site? Yeah? That big old monster collection. I ate that collection up. 542 00:36:50.360 --> 00:36:52.840 It was cool because it had versions of don Dad never really seen too. 543 00:36:52.880 --> 00:36:55.119 Like there was like what they call it the library version or whatever. 544 00:36:55.320 --> 00:37:02.519 Yep, Uh, I want it and it was absolutely pristine. Uh like 545 00:37:04.159 --> 00:37:07.039 transfer, Man, that's the best I've ever seen that movie. Look the 546 00:37:07.280 --> 00:37:09.840 I think it was with a second site that came up with that big ass 547 00:37:10.000 --> 00:37:15.960 drive Yea. I bought that. I absolutely love that set. That set 548 00:37:16.039 --> 00:37:23.440 was cool because uh Diaboli DVD sometimes they sell like dinged you know, copy, 549 00:37:23.599 --> 00:37:27.880 so I got like some money off of it. And the ding was 550 00:37:27.960 --> 00:37:30.920 literally this tiny like little chip in the corner. But you know, I 551 00:37:30.000 --> 00:37:32.920 collectors like, oh I don't want it. My question. I'm like, 552 00:37:34.000 --> 00:37:37.159 send me all the dentist ship, Like, even if it's a little ripped 553 00:37:37.239 --> 00:37:39.400 or whatever. I'll I'll just throw that slip cover away. I'll buy all 554 00:37:39.400 --> 00:37:45.639 that dent and stuff. I love that release. The four K for show 555 00:37:45.679 --> 00:37:52.320 Girls from Vinegar Syndrome. Love that release. Uh, that's God. That 556 00:37:52.400 --> 00:37:57.880 movie is just amazing to me. It's just the thing that it would just 557 00:37:57.920 --> 00:38:00.639 get this giant release like that, right, you know, but that's the 558 00:38:00.679 --> 00:38:04.639 fun of We're like in the golden age of collecting in my opinion, right 559 00:38:04.639 --> 00:38:08.760 now, what else did I like? Oh? I really liked Vinegar Syndromes. 560 00:38:08.800 --> 00:38:14.320 Freeway release. That's a really underrated movie. I feel like I feel 561 00:38:14.320 --> 00:38:15.679 like people used to talk about it a lot when it came out, and 562 00:38:15.719 --> 00:38:20.400 then like just you just never heard about it. And that was funny. 563 00:38:20.480 --> 00:38:22.880 That was one of the movies my boyfriend picked for Boyfriend Picks movie night, 564 00:38:23.079 --> 00:38:25.800 and he was blown away. He loved it. He was like, what 565 00:38:25.840 --> 00:38:30.840 the hell is this? I was like a Freeway. So I enjoyed watching 566 00:38:31.000 --> 00:38:35.400 him, you know, give his mind blown by that. That's a few 567 00:38:35.599 --> 00:38:38.159 that I've liked recently. Well. On the on the opposite end of the 568 00:38:38.199 --> 00:38:43.840 spectrum. As a critic, you're watching mostly contemporary films, So what about 569 00:38:43.840 --> 00:38:45.599 on that front, what are a couple that have made you really excited? 570 00:38:45.599 --> 00:38:49.480 Then? And then following that up, what do you think is like the 571 00:38:51.519 --> 00:38:52.159 I don't know the best way to say this, but like, where do 572 00:38:52.199 --> 00:38:57.599 you think movies are currently headed? Because obviously we go through pihs and lows 573 00:38:57.639 --> 00:39:00.840 of different trends, we go through different types of movies being made, and 574 00:39:00.239 --> 00:39:04.480 we were very prudish for a while, and one of the exciting things right 575 00:39:04.480 --> 00:39:07.719 now is where it seems like for a little bit we're open to talking about 576 00:39:07.760 --> 00:39:13.639 more taboo subjects. Yeah, so you know, the past couple of years 577 00:39:13.719 --> 00:39:16.239 were weird, right because we had COVID. So you know, when COVID 578 00:39:16.320 --> 00:39:20.679 hit twenty twenty, that was the weirdest year for movies ever, and it 579 00:39:20.760 --> 00:39:24.760 was actually really good for movies that probably wouldn't have got a spotlight normally because 580 00:39:24.800 --> 00:39:30.239 the big studios were holding their stuff back because they wanted to make sure people 581 00:39:30.320 --> 00:39:32.119 had butts and theaters to see them. Right, So there's a lot of 582 00:39:32.119 --> 00:39:38.719 low key stuff coming out. I feel like there's a lot of So the 583 00:39:38.760 --> 00:39:43.800 Marvel movies are kind of like petering out right. You know. I feel 584 00:39:43.840 --> 00:39:49.119 like in the general the superhero genre is kind of like cresting downward slope. 585 00:39:49.199 --> 00:39:53.800 Yeah, so now we're seeing them trying to replicate that with other franchises. 586 00:39:53.880 --> 00:39:58.800 Right, So now we have the legendary Godzilla movies, which I'm famous for 587 00:39:58.880 --> 00:40:04.360 not liking, and I didn't like Gazila Versus Kong either, But we also 588 00:40:04.400 --> 00:40:07.320 have stuff like Dune. Like Dune isn't something I would really think of as 589 00:40:07.360 --> 00:40:12.519 like a tent pole big summer really, dude, you know, it's more 590 00:40:12.559 --> 00:40:15.400 like this, you know, philosophical, kind of like nerdy sci fi thing, 591 00:40:15.480 --> 00:40:20.599 right, but they kind of have to market things. Like it's all 592 00:40:20.880 --> 00:40:24.400 big franchise stuff. It seems like there's a lot of remakes coming out, 593 00:40:25.280 --> 00:40:29.719 reimaginings. That's even kind of hit video games too. There's a lot of 594 00:40:29.800 --> 00:40:35.400 remasters. But I feel like maybe it's like probably a little cheaper I guess 595 00:40:35.480 --> 00:40:38.920 to remake something or remaster something then to create something new. And also, 596 00:40:39.119 --> 00:40:44.840 you know, it's hard to get something new out there and people go see 597 00:40:44.880 --> 00:40:51.039 it because theaters are so expensive. People want to be careful with their money, 598 00:40:51.039 --> 00:40:52.480 so they'll go see something they know they'll like, right, because somebody 599 00:40:52.519 --> 00:40:57.880 wants to spend fifteen dollars and hate whatever you're watching for two hours, right, 600 00:40:57.960 --> 00:41:00.360 so they're not going to take a chance on something that they might not 601 00:41:00.519 --> 00:41:04.400 like. I go see pretty much everything in the theater, so you know, 602 00:41:04.480 --> 00:41:06.440 I see stuff I don't like. I like, I have that like 603 00:41:06.519 --> 00:41:09.519 AMC plus thing or whatever. So it's it's actually it's you know, if 604 00:41:09.519 --> 00:41:13.239 you want to watch movies a lot, I'm not like sponsored by them or 605 00:41:13.239 --> 00:41:15.639 anything. I just I'm just cheap. So and you can, like, 606 00:41:15.719 --> 00:41:17.599 you know, see a lot of movies for a little bit of money. 607 00:41:17.679 --> 00:41:22.000 But people that don't have that, you know, and especially people that have 608 00:41:22.079 --> 00:41:24.239 kids or you know, partners. It could cost you like a hundred bucks 609 00:41:24.280 --> 00:41:27.559 to go to movies, and you go, you spend a hundred bucks, 610 00:41:27.559 --> 00:41:29.559 and everybody's like, oh boo, it sucked, right, you know, 611 00:41:29.559 --> 00:41:32.440 I don't want that, So they have that to deal with. I've noticed 612 00:41:32.480 --> 00:41:37.119 also that they're re releasing a lot of older films in theaters, which actually 613 00:41:37.199 --> 00:41:40.760 is cool because there's some movies I never saw theatrically that I get a chance 614 00:41:40.800 --> 00:41:45.840 to now, So that's cool. But I don't think like movies are dying. 615 00:41:45.960 --> 00:41:49.519 I feel like, you know, a lot of people are saying, 616 00:41:49.559 --> 00:41:52.119 you know, cinema's dead all that. A lot of people that say that. 617 00:41:52.239 --> 00:41:55.840 If you ask them how many new movies they seen this year, it's 618 00:41:55.840 --> 00:42:00.599 not a lot. Right. You have to look for those movies. You 619 00:42:00.719 --> 00:42:04.480 have to search, you have to put the effort in to see the good 620 00:42:04.480 --> 00:42:08.239 stuff. And there's still good stuff being made. There's still weird shit coming 621 00:42:08.280 --> 00:42:14.920 out. I just watched Sasquatch Sunset yesterday, who's fucking weird. It's about 622 00:42:15.079 --> 00:42:17.599 for a sasquatch and like you're just watching them live their lives. It's like 623 00:42:17.679 --> 00:42:21.880 sasquatch vibes and nobody talks. They just grunt the whole movie. There's no 624 00:42:22.119 --> 00:42:27.159 dialogue, right, that's weird. You know. That's getting a theatrical release. 625 00:42:27.199 --> 00:42:30.960 Though. I saw a movie called Hundreds of Beavers earlier this year, 626 00:42:31.199 --> 00:42:36.039 and it's weird. It's like a silent film, you know, with people 627 00:42:36.039 --> 00:42:39.119 in beaver suits and at me cartoon stuff. It's weird. Nobody really talks 628 00:42:39.199 --> 00:42:42.960 that either, you know. But if you go, if you look for 629 00:42:43.039 --> 00:42:49.840 this stuff, there's really interesting artistic, creative stuff being made. But you 630 00:42:49.920 --> 00:42:52.800 gotta look for it. You can't just write off all modern movies are bad 631 00:42:53.079 --> 00:42:57.280 if you don't put the effort into watching them, I guess is what I'm 632 00:42:57.280 --> 00:43:00.000 trying to say. Well, and people seem to react to the I don't 633 00:43:00.000 --> 00:43:05.360 know that probably thirty five movies that gets marketed to them very specifically throughout the 634 00:43:05.400 --> 00:43:08.920 year. Every year, there's more than like three hundred fairly like not just 635 00:43:09.039 --> 00:43:13.800 indy like shot on an iPhone in somebody's backyard, but three hundred well thought 636 00:43:13.840 --> 00:43:16.719 out, scripted with the crew type of films coming out at least every single 637 00:43:16.800 --> 00:43:20.480 year. It's hard to keep up with for anybody. But if you're just 638 00:43:20.519 --> 00:43:24.000 gonna write everything off because of those thirty movies that got marketed towards you, 639 00:43:24.000 --> 00:43:28.119 you're probably the one with the hot take there. Yeah, you know, 640 00:43:28.679 --> 00:43:30.760 I get it because everybody has limited time, But you know, right, 641 00:43:31.840 --> 00:43:36.760 and I'm in a little bit of a privileged position because I get press screeners 642 00:43:36.800 --> 00:43:38.920 and stuff, so I see things early. I see things people probably normally 643 00:43:38.960 --> 00:43:43.239 wouldn't. And there's other people that do a lot of film festival type stuff, 644 00:43:43.280 --> 00:43:45.880 which I don't do as much because my job it's hard for me to 645 00:43:45.880 --> 00:43:50.239 get time, right, But they see even more stuff. Sometimes those things 646 00:43:50.239 --> 00:43:52.199 don't even get picked up by distributors. They just it's just a movie and 647 00:43:52.320 --> 00:43:55.719 ether right, it's just in the cloud until somebody picks it up. So 648 00:43:55.840 --> 00:44:00.760 there's a lot of stuff out there, And I just wish which people would 649 00:44:00.199 --> 00:44:04.800 spend more time, you know, take a chance every once in a while, 650 00:44:04.840 --> 00:44:07.840 you know, and see something that you think you wouldn't like, and 651 00:44:07.880 --> 00:44:10.199 then maybe you might exprise yourself, you know, And I get you know, 652 00:44:10.280 --> 00:44:13.519 no everybody has fifteen bucks to throw, you know, throw in a 653 00:44:13.559 --> 00:44:15.559 garbage if they don't like it. But I feel like, even when I 654 00:44:15.559 --> 00:44:20.440 see movies I don't like, I learned something I learned about, Like why 655 00:44:20.480 --> 00:44:23.679 don't I like it? I like to really, you know, deconstruct what 656 00:44:23.760 --> 00:44:27.119 about it I didn't like, you know, and so you still learn a 657 00:44:27.159 --> 00:44:30.800 little something from it even if you hated it. Well, that's maybe probably 658 00:44:30.840 --> 00:44:35.280 the best way I can end this is we we talked earlier about, you 659 00:44:35.280 --> 00:44:37.719 know, so many people are film critics nowadays and not being able to go 660 00:44:37.800 --> 00:44:42.280 to film school, Like you had said, how did you learn to to 661 00:44:43.440 --> 00:44:45.840 not? What's the best way to do this? Like there is a very 662 00:44:45.840 --> 00:44:51.000 specific way to criticize film that isn't just I like it or don't like it? 663 00:44:51.440 --> 00:44:53.320 Right, And it is a talent. It is something that you can 664 00:44:53.480 --> 00:44:57.719 learn. It is something that can be taught. It is something that people 665 00:44:57.840 --> 00:45:00.480 have learned in school. It is something that people I have learned through varying 666 00:45:00.519 --> 00:45:05.440 types of degrees. But in all reality, how did they specifically? Like 667 00:45:05.440 --> 00:45:07.159 you can go on YouTube and learn a lot of this, So how did 668 00:45:07.239 --> 00:45:12.400 how did you go about it? How did you learn specifically the critical language? 669 00:45:12.800 --> 00:45:15.039 Yeah, I honestly, I literally just bought books about it. I 670 00:45:15.039 --> 00:45:21.639 bought books about literary theory, critical theory. How there's whole books about how 671 00:45:21.679 --> 00:45:24.320 to write film reviews, Like literally, there's just a whole book about how 672 00:45:24.320 --> 00:45:30.079 to construct There's a smaller book that's literally just how do you construct your your 673 00:45:30.119 --> 00:45:34.519 film review? Like what do you like? The literal? Grammatic in format? 674 00:45:34.639 --> 00:45:38.079 And I read those. I just any kind of critic I loved. 675 00:45:38.119 --> 00:45:42.320 I just ate their stuff up. You know, I read as much as 676 00:45:42.400 --> 00:45:45.119 I could. And honestly, the best thing I could tell people that are 677 00:45:45.159 --> 00:45:49.280 trying to break in the film criticism is you need to read. I'm sorry, 678 00:45:49.320 --> 00:45:52.760 but you got it. You just go online and type in top ten 679 00:45:53.000 --> 00:45:59.360 books about film criticism or you know, literary theory, and just like buy 680 00:45:59.400 --> 00:46:01.639 those books you used, which I did. It's way cheaper. You can 681 00:46:01.679 --> 00:46:05.639 just go on Amazon and buy or if you don't like Amazon because they're like 682 00:46:05.679 --> 00:46:08.440 a corporation and they're evil, you can go to your local bookstore, right, 683 00:46:08.480 --> 00:46:12.480 your small bookstore, your use bookstore, and they always have like a 684 00:46:12.519 --> 00:46:16.280 film section, and you can go on there and just buy books about films 685 00:46:16.360 --> 00:46:21.559 and read them. That's all I did, was honestly, just read the 686 00:46:21.599 --> 00:46:24.960 stuff and then practice writing right right, right, right right. I write 687 00:46:25.039 --> 00:46:29.639 every single day, even if it's just a little bit, you know, 688 00:46:30.119 --> 00:46:32.840 And I've been a critic, I would say, a professional critic for like 689 00:46:32.880 --> 00:46:37.320 ten years, and I'll read reviews I wrote ten years ago and I think 690 00:46:37.360 --> 00:46:40.599 they're awful. But that's how you learn you're not. You can't be good 691 00:46:40.639 --> 00:46:45.840 at something unless you're bad at it first, right, And it's all practice, 692 00:46:45.880 --> 00:46:50.039 and you can learn how to write better and have somebody who you respect 693 00:46:50.079 --> 00:46:52.320 as a writer if they have the time, Hey, can you take a 694 00:46:52.320 --> 00:46:53.760 look at my review and tell me what you think of it? And don't 695 00:46:53.760 --> 00:46:59.880 get upset when people criticize your stuff. I had people you know, when 696 00:46:59.880 --> 00:47:04.119 I first start out writing, they were brutal about how my writing style was, 697 00:47:04.199 --> 00:47:07.559 and it blow out your ego. But you need it. You need 698 00:47:07.599 --> 00:47:13.960 that like brutality to make yourself better. You build yourself back better. Right, 699 00:47:14.920 --> 00:47:17.920 That's a good point. One thing you brought up there that I would 700 00:47:17.960 --> 00:47:22.719 hate to just let go by, you know, talking about being voracious readers 701 00:47:22.719 --> 00:47:27.199 of critics that you like who are something inspired you. Well, you got 702 00:47:28.079 --> 00:47:31.719 Roger Ebert, and you know, people like to disparage him, I think, 703 00:47:31.880 --> 00:47:37.000 but he was like the critics critic. He watched everything he had. 704 00:47:37.079 --> 00:47:40.079 And it's funny because, like one of my favorite genres is horror, and 705 00:47:40.159 --> 00:47:45.159 he was pretty famously not into horror movies and he would you know, write 706 00:47:45.400 --> 00:47:51.119 some films that are considered horror classics. He like pooped on. Right. 707 00:47:51.159 --> 00:48:01.000 So I like Walter chaw is a contemporary one. I like he's incredibly articulate, 708 00:48:04.000 --> 00:48:12.159 very smart. I love the way that he he pulls from history right 709 00:48:12.239 --> 00:48:17.840 to like contextualize films. Actually, I saw Southern Comfort that they just put 710 00:48:17.880 --> 00:48:22.840 out and he did a commentary on it. It was fantastic, absolutely riveting 711 00:48:22.840 --> 00:48:29.000 commentary. He's another one I like. I like Cat's work a lot too. 712 00:48:29.519 --> 00:48:36.360 She writes, I liked her takes on sex and women and feminism and 713 00:48:36.360 --> 00:48:42.079 how all these things kind of like merge together because it's it's hard to find 714 00:48:42.119 --> 00:48:45.800 women writing about sex. I find for some reason, probably because there's a 715 00:48:45.840 --> 00:48:51.639 negative connotation when any type of woman tries to own sexuality or talk about sex, 716 00:48:52.199 --> 00:48:57.280 it gets like perverted or people look down on him because oh, women 717 00:48:57.320 --> 00:49:00.039 shouldn't talk about those things. And I love that she's very open about those 718 00:49:00.159 --> 00:49:02.760 type of things. Yeah, those dropped us off the top of my head. 719 00:49:02.800 --> 00:49:07.519 Some critics. I really enjoy Walter Shaw. I was gonna throw out 720 00:49:07.559 --> 00:49:10.199 too for anybody that's listening if you are liking his stuff. Not only has 721 00:49:10.239 --> 00:49:14.360 he done a couple for vinegar syndrome, now I think he's doing all kinds 722 00:49:14.360 --> 00:49:16.880 of stuff for deaf Crocodile. He's been on like a handful of their releases 723 00:49:16.920 --> 00:49:21.960 because Craig's a big fan of Walt. Yeah. Kat is a good pool. 724 00:49:22.039 --> 00:49:27.320 She is. There's so many things you can say about Kat. She's 725 00:49:27.400 --> 00:49:30.920 helped a lot of people, She's touched so many different releases. She's been 726 00:49:30.079 --> 00:49:36.000 prolific in multiple venues at this point, so it's really easy to have her 727 00:49:36.039 --> 00:49:39.039 name just come up continuously, and I mean, honestly, it seems like 728 00:49:39.079 --> 00:49:43.920 you're taking some steps to be there yourself. I've appreciated your work, and 729 00:49:44.000 --> 00:49:45.320 I hope to see hell of a lot more of it over the next couple 730 00:49:45.320 --> 00:49:47.800 of years. I appreciate it. I appreciate you having me on too, 731 00:49:49.599 --> 00:49:52.960 happily. If anybody wants to follow Michelle, have all the links for everything 732 00:49:52.000 --> 00:49:55.960 in the description below and just yeah, thanks for hanging out and hope we 733 00:49:55.960 --> 00:50:00.480 can talk again, all right, see it? Thank you, Thank you 734 00:50:00.519 --> 00:50:04.079 for listening to the Disconnected podcast. There's one big thing that you could do 735 00:50:04.159 --> 00:50:06.760 to help the show, and that is to leave a rating and review on 736 00:50:06.840 --> 00:50:38.000 the podcast service of your choice. Thank you. I am Adam Lundy, 737 00:50:38.119 --> 00:50:43.000 co host of They Live by Film, a podcast dedicated to bringing you film 738 00:50:43.000 --> 00:50:46.519 discussion and interviews from around the world. 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