Hello, and welcome to Psychic Teachers. I'm your host Samantha Fay, and
I'm de Bowen, and we're so happy to have you join us for this
interesting show Down the rabbit Hole and through the looking Glass. We're going to
be talking about time slips, dimensions, portals, and all sorts of interesting
things. You know, Deb, I've often wondered if the reason why intuitives
like us can see flashes into the past or the future, or read the
present to determine what's going on with the client is because maybe we have some
unknown, unpracticed ability to slip into other dimensions. What if when we are
perceiving the future or the past, we're really temporarily peeking into other dimensions of
reality. I wondered the same thing, Samantha. Is a fascinating thought,
isn't it. It really is. So that's what we're going to be discussing
today, time slips and dimensions. A lot of people believe that those who
go missing or claim to travel astray are doing so through portals that exist all
over the earth. These have been written about in science fiction for years,
but do they actually exist? Well. I did a little bit of research
and according to NASA they do. NASA funded researcher Jack Scudder calls them electron
diffusion regions or X points, places where the magnetic field of Earth connects to
the magnetic field of the Sun, which creates a straight, uninterrupted path from
the Earth to the Sun ninety four million years away. Scudder says these portals
open and close several times a day. Now there is some belief that people
can create portals through different types of rituals, which I have always found fascinating
to consider. If you guys want to go down your own rabbit hole of
research, look into Aleister Crowley, Jack Parsons, and l Ron Hubbard,
who worked together for a while before they had a falling out on magical rituals.
Now there's a lot of speculation on what they were doing, you know.
Some say they were trying to raise up the Antichrist to bring Jesus back.
Others say they were trying to manifest the Woman of Babylon and they were
doing some type of Babylon ritual in the mid nineteen forties, and many said
that they opened a portal in California in nineteen forty six. Prowley reports that
soon after he met a being he called Lamb, who many believe looks like
a gray alien. And you can google Crowley's Lamb and see the picture he
drew of what this being looked like, and you can decide for yourself if
it indeed does look like a gray alien. And some people wonder if that's
why just one year later we had the incident at Roswell and then all that
whole UFO flag that happened in the nineteen fifties and sixties. So who knows,
Maybe we can open up our own portals. Isn't that interesting? And
you know, as we talk more later on in the show, I want
to talk a bit about portals that I feel like I have experienced in doing
paranormal investigations. We can discuss it now, because I think you can.
When I've done paranormal investigations, you can feel them. You sure can.
And you know, I remember because part of our job as paranormal investigators is
to first look for logical earth bound answers to what's happening in a specific space.
And so a lot of times when we've done investigations and somebody says,
oh, they feel like there's this sweep of air that's running through their house
all the time that makes them nervous. Well, yeah, that's your heating
and air conditioning system taking in stuff. You know, you can feel it
flowing up to the vents and whatever. And I don't mean coming out of
events. I mean that return stuff, you know, happening. So sometimes
we get debunked with that, but I have I remember one particular investigation that
we did some time ago where I was convinced that I was in a situation
where there was just energetic beings of some sort coming through this doorway. And
I don't mean a physical doorway, I mean metaph physical doorway in this house.
And after we did a lot of research, it turned out that there
had been a lot of trauma on that property before the house was built,
and that there were folks who had lived there and died and were not happy
with this house and the way it had been built on this land. So
that's just one example of several that I could give about a paranormal type portal
that way. Well, when I was doing the investigation early on in my
intuitive career, I worked with the paranormal team that had an electrician and all
sorts of equipment, and they were able to rule out things like, you
know, an air conditioning vent overhead, and we go up into the baby's
room where most of the activity was happening, and one of the mediums on
the team said, Samantha, put your hand all over this wall here and
tell me what you feel. And you know, I'm still super skeptical,
and I'm like, okay, So I run my hand down the wall and
in this one perfect circle. I mean you couldn't see it with your physical
eyes, but when you ran your hand down the wall, you could literally
outline a circle that was ice cold on that wall, and it was not
ice cold anywhere else on that wall, and the contracting electrician person couldn't figure
out why it was cold in that one area. Yeah, that's one of
the reasons we always take digital thermometers with us when we do investigations. It's
because it's amazing where on one wall the temperature is I don't know, seventy
two point three and you move over two inches and it's fifty five point nine.
Well, do you think that people can create portals through trauma or through
joy or do you think these portals already exist? I think the portals already
exist. Do I think that people become in tuned to them and sometimes attract
them, perhaps, but generally speaking, I think they're portals all over the
planet. Do you think that's what some of these lay lines are all about.
No, I don't. I think lay lines are an entirely different thing
because lay lines are energetic energy fields. They're like metaphysical longitude and latitude lines.
But I have read that where the lay lines cross each other, a
portal can be created or can already exist. Well, I wouldn't doubt that.
I mean I have certainly stood on top of places that lay lines crossed,
and what happened. My experience was what happened to me was that my
pendulum vibrated in my hand, but it did not swing in any direction,
and I felt my body. It was almost like my body was humming,
you know how when you had a minor electrical shock. That's what it felt
like standing on top of the places where a lay line crossed. But I
think that I don't know that it was a portal to another dimension like we're
talking about today. I think it was a I think lay line crossings are
a place of real high energy concentration that gives us an unawareness of a metaphysical
being in a metaphysical place, but not that it opens doors to anything that
is negative or unruly in any way. Well, I don't think portals are
all negative at all. I think some portals are incredibly positive. Okay,
do you think they're all negative? Well, I don't know. I guess
I hadn't ever really put a value judgment on portals. I simply think of
them as, oh, well, just what you said, they all lead
to like negative things. I just thought, well, I guess I'm thinking
of the paranormal investigations I've done where that was really frightening to the people who
lived there. Well, do you think in the research you did with missing
people, do you think they're slipping into these portals or do you think they're
just slipping into other dimensions? I think they're slipping into other dimensions. That's
when we get to talk about some of the stories that I have to share.
I think it's more of a literally a time slip into another dimension.
Do you want to start with your stories or do you want me to start
with mine? I want you to tell yours first. I'm so excited.
Okay, Well, one of the times stories that I really researched is focused
on the Philadelphia Experiment. Now I'll go through the facts of the story,
but really I can't call them facts. Most people believe this whole story is
nothing but a myth of fantasy, a rumor, a hoax. However,
it still has some interesting aspects to it that I think you guys will enjoy
if you haven't already heard of it. During World War Two, the Germans
were building rockets and the Japanese had Kamakazi pilots, and there were all sorts
of advancements in technological things that were going on. The US needed to up
their game, so they were looking for ways to make their ships invisible to
radar. Legend says they worked with Tesla's notes and that Einstein helped out on
this project, and out of this story grew the legend of the Philadelphia Experiment.
And here's how it goes. On April twenty eighth, nineteen forty three,
the USS Eldridge had a small crew on board docked at the Philadelphia Naval
Shipyard. The USS andrew for Soussoth. I don't know how to say that
Perusthoth was nearby. Between five oh five and five twenty pm, the USS
Eldridge began to glow and then became invisible. Sailors on the USS Andrew are
said to have witnessed this. One of them touched the side and received a
massive shock. On board the Eldridge, one of the sailors noticed they were
suddenly at a different dock. He recognized it as the Norfolk Naval Shipyard in
Virginia, two hundred miles away. Minutes later, they reappeared back in Philadelphia.
Two crew members vanished, some were reportedly fused to the ship. Some
are said to have gone insane. One sailor reportedly walked through a wall shortly
after getting off the ship. Two men, Al Blick and Duncan Cameron claimed
they jumped off the ship during this portal trip and landed in nineteen eighty three
in Montauk, New York, where time travel experiments were being done. We
have more on that later. Soon after, a newspaper article appeared reporting a
fight between sailors from the USS Eldridge who got into a fight in a bar.
Witnesses said the sailors disappeared right in front of them. Then, twelve
years later, in nineteen fifty five, the Office of Naval Research received a
book written by MK Jessup called The Case for UFOs. Inside the book,
the naval researchers received were written notes, all handwritten notes, in all the
margins. These handwritten notes included information about the USS Eldridge, Einstein's theory of
relativity, his unified field theory, and time travel. The ONR asked Jessop
if he had sent them the book. He said he hadn't, but he
did recognize the handwriting that were written in the margins of the book from letters
he'd received from a man who called himself Carlos Alende. Carlos said he was
the man on the USS Andrew who had touched the side of the Eldridge and
received a shock. Carlos claimed Einstein was on yet another ship watching this experiment.
When he saw Carlos get shocked, he invited him on his ship to
see if he was okay. Carlos claims the two became friends and that he
became a sort of student of Einstein's. Einstein shared his theory that would allow
travel at four times the speed of light. He said the disappearance of the
Eldridge happened because it was sent down a faster than light tunnel. One of
the ONR officers, Captain Sidney Sherby, published Jessup's UFO book with Carlos's notes
handwritten in it, and I just found that interesting because it shows that maybe
he thought there was something to it. Now another rabbit hole anyone can go
down if they want is Shortly after all of this happened, the author of
the UFO book, MK. Jessup, committed suicide, and it was just
suspicious to me. He's a very intelligent man. He has degrees in astronomy,
He almost had his PhD in astronomy. He was very well regarded by
everyone, and he chose to commit suicide in a park outside which I don't
know. Just research it if you guys are interested in this, because I
find people committing suicide connected to these conspiracy stories. It just happens too much.
So this was all quickly put down to a hoax and a legend.
Shiplogs have no record of the Eldridge in Philadelphia at that time. There are
no shiplogs showing that the Eldridge and the Andrew Ship were ever in the same
port at the same time. Einstein was in Philadelphia in nineteen forty three,
and Carlos A. Linde's actual name turned out to be Carl Allen. He
served from nineteen forty three to nineteen fifty two. However, thanks to declassified
documents, we do know that some secret stuff was going on in Philadelphia,
including a secret test where men died. There are reports that the Philadelphia experiment
was actually called Rainbow Project. This initially began in the nineteen thirties when the
Institute for Advanced Studies at Princeton University was studying basic physics using electromagnetics. The
government is said to have gotten involved during the war. Allegedly they were trying
to see if they could use electromagnetics to make ships invisible to radar. People
also say the Phoenix Project was created around this time to use chemical and propaganda
to influence minds. Out of this, some speculate that mk Ultra was created.
So I just want to pause there to see if you have any questions
or comments more than we've got time for me to ask. But yeah,
I think I was going along just fine with this story and saying okay,
you know, I understand the skeptics and the debunkers of this kind of stuff.
But I'm willing to entertain a thought that I don't know anything about until
I prove otherwise. So I was doing just fine with your story until we
got to the guy writing about Einstein, and then I went, no,
I just don't think that's possible. That just doesn't feel right to me that
Einstein would be doing that, And of course you've said that that is highly
unlikely. So on one hand, I listened to this story and I think,
Wow, wonder there's so much that goes on with research in government research
and other kinds of research sponsored by other organizations that we don't know about.
And I know that, so I accept the notion that certainly there were things
happening then and are today that we as the general public don't know about.
Do I believe that it is possible for an entire warship to disappear and go
into another dimension? Sure? I could believe that, because I don't think
that that size and spin and weight and all that stuff matters in this kind
of metaphysical world, because it's just Adam's moving around. Really, So I
will accept that this very well could have happened, and the fact that this
man who wrote this book killed himself or in some way died in a very
public place. Makes me wonder what might have been going on here that we're
not really probably ever going to know. Well. And before people write this
all off as a tinfoil hat story, mki Ultra really did happen, and
they really did experiment on a Harvard students, one of them was Ted Kaczinski,
who later ended up becoming the Unifarmer. And so all of these people
who were involved in this Philadelphia experiment are said to have gone and sen and
I just find it interesting that it looks as though Ted Kaczinski did indeed go
insane himself when he decided to become the Unifarmer. We also know that the
government has lied to us. Let's not forget nineteen thirty two, when the
Public Health Service began the Tuskegee Study of Untreated Syphilis, and they lied to
six hundred black men, three hundred and ninety nine of whom had syphilis and
were actively denied known treatments so they could research it. Nineteen fifty three is
when the CIA began its mk Ultra program and they tested drugs developed for interrogation
and mind control. Purposes. They did this on prisoners, students, hospital
patients. So we do know that weird stuff has gone on before and that
we have been lied to, And I just think that's important to keep in
mind. Some go so far as to say that the Philadelphia experiment was the
basis for the Montalk projects. The Montalk Project, located near Plum Island in
Long Island, New York, was allegedly created to see if the government could
use electromagnetics to bend minds and to bend time. Many believe they were successful.
Now let me just say a word about Plum Island if you don't know
about that. It is home to the Plum Island Animal Disease Center. It
was opened by the US Department of Agriculture in nineteen in the nineteen fifties,
and it is now under the Department of Homeland Security. They make sure animal
diseases like foot and mouth disease don't get out into the public. However,
conspiracy theories abound that what's really going on in Plumb Island is biological weapons research
and animal hybrid experimentations. These rumors have been circulating for fifty years. They
go really far deb Some people think that lime disease was created here, that
the West Nile virus was created here. In two thousand and three, I
believe it was. It was either two thousand and three or two thousand and
six. It moved to the Department of Homeland Security after they received information intel
that terrorists were looking at infiltrating this center for their biological weapon research or animal
diseases. Now, these rumors about what's really going on at Plumb Island highlighted
a lot of strange other rumors when a strange looking animal that was nicknamed the
Montalk Monster washed ashore in Long Island in two thousand and three. If you
google Montalk Monster, you can see a picture of it. It's this hairless,
spooky looking thing. And what I find so funny is the skeptics,
you know, the people who say, oh, it's all a hoax.
They said it was a deceased raccoon. Now, if you google that photo,
I don't know how you can see a raccoon in that, but you
know, who am I to judge? So the Montalk project is going on
right near Plumb Island. It's based in Camp Hero, which is more commonly
called the Montalk Air Force Station, The stories surrounding the Montalk project took off
after a series of books on the alleged government program was written by Preston Nichols
in the eighties. Nichols claimed that through remembering repressed memories, he realized he'd
been abducted for years and taken to Montalk for experiments. Nichols has degrees in
psychology and engineering. He claimed that government agents were using electromagnetic radiation to transmit
ideas directly into people's head. He claims they were made to participate in mind
control studies, time travel, and alien interactions. He also says the government
was working on a weapon that could induce schizophrenia. He claims the funding came
from a stash of Nazi gold found in the aftermath of World War Two that
amounted to ten billion dollars. He says to mask the underground facility, the
government donated the Montalk site to the Wild Refuge Park. He claims many people,
mainly the homeless, were abducted. Some claimed that runaway boys were also
abducted and became known as the mon Talk Boys because it's believed their young minds
were impressionable and easier to work with. He says psychic abilities were greatly enhanced.
He said they developed time travel through a time bortal they created. Through
this time tunnel or portal, they were able to contact extraterrestrials, and some
even claim that inventions such as the Internet were created here before Camp Hero became
an official wildlife park. Brian Minnick explored inside the radar tower, where he
found documents and sealed entrances showing that the base of Camp Hero was far larger
and more complex than thought, and that the base had operated for much longer
than the government admitted. Minnick found records of mass quantities of food ordered to
the base in the late eighties, long after the military said they had left
Montak. He also produced photos of rooms with brightly painted walls and psychedelic patterned
wallpaper, making some believe that captive children were actually subjected to acid tests and
other mind control things, which makes everyone, I'm sure, think about stranger
things and the phenomenon that that show is. A lot of people say that
Eleven and characters such as Her were created directly from these stories of children being
kept at this camp and studied and practiced on. So what do you think
of that? It's mind boggling. So many poles can be a conspiracy theorist.
I can go there with the idea of that they are all sorts of
things that happen from officials to people that we don't know about, and it
just terrifies me. It really frightens me. Do I believe it's probably true?
I do. How about you? I don't know if I believe it's
all true. I just find it odd that this Carlos Alende man talks about
this happening. Al bielit talks about this happening. Duncan Cameron says this happened.
Peter Nichols said this happen. I can't find any documentation, and I
could be wrong, but I couldn't unearth it that showed that these men all
together knew each other and talked and cooked this up. And so I do
think where there's smoke, there's fire. I do think something happened. I
don't know if all that they said happened happened, because it does seem quite
fantastical. It frustrates me that every time someone is a whistleblower, or someone
talks about something they're not supposed to, they either end up suiciding, themselves,
or they turn out to be mentally unstable, and I just find that
coincidental. Either the powers that be discredit them and make them appear or show
that they are insane, or these men or women who share these stories disappear
or commit suicide, and I just find that kind of odd. Do you
know. I think there's a lot of this kind of stuff that is so
fascinating to us that will never be able to prove. They'll never There'll never
be a time where we can say conclusively, yes, this really did happen,
or no, it really did not happen. Maybe I'm behind the times
with what's going on in the media, but what is all this hype this
past week about storming Area fifty one? What is that about? It's just
some internet thing. My kids have been talking about it, so I think
it's with the younger people. But they're talking about get a group of people
to go and just see what's really going on there. I think it's silly
personally, because since the government has come out and said, yes, this
Air Force base is what you all call Area fifty one, since they came
out and admitted to that, I am sure anything there that would give us
clues into whatever they've been doing has been moving do not think. Yeah,
So if you're going to go anywhere, I would go to the Air Force
base in Ohio. I mean that's where all the freaky stuff seems to be
happening anyway. But you know, at least, like I said, I
love the young generation. I think they are amazing. I think they are
active and outspoken and kind, and I think they're going to get stuff done
for our society and ways that we haven't seen since the age of Enlightenment.
I really have a lot of hope and faith in our younger people, and
so at least they're doing something about these conspiracy theories. At least they're interested
in something more than looking at their phone. I don't think they'll find anything.
I don't even know if it'll happened, but I don't think it's the
I don't think they're going to get anything if they did it, either.
I think that's become such a publicly known situation that anything that might have evidently
been there has certainly been removed. I do respectfully disagree with you a little
bit. I hope that some of this information will come to light. If
you look at all the stuff that was hidden, for example, during the
Spanish Inquisition. A lot of that has now come to light. So I
don't know if it'll come to light in our lifetime, but I do think
eventually it will. I mean, we mentioned Project paper Clip on the show
a couple of months ago, the fact that we were actively recruiting known Nazis
to work on our space program in the nineteen fifties. You would never think
that would come to light, but it did, and now we know it's
true. I do hope that some of this will come to light, and
I do think. Me clarify, I didn't say I didn't hope it would.
I just said I didn't think it. No, I know you said
you didn't think it would. I'm just saying I think it will. It
do too. Oh absolutely, Okay, So shall we take a break.
Let's take a quick break, and when we come back, Deb, you
can share some of your stories about time slips in dimension. Can I have
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dev go ahead and start with your tales of dimensional I want to take
us back in time to a time that we don't often hear about this phenomenon
happening, and yet this is probably one of the best known of the time
slips stories that I was able to find. Now, it happened in France,
so let me issue hear a caveat in that my French is terrible,
so bear with me here. So here's the story. It happened in Versailles,
at the Palace of Versailles in the eighteen hundreds. A woman whose name
was Charlotte Moberly and a woman whose name was Eleanor Jordaine went to visit the
palace in Versailles, and they in August of nineteen oh one went by train.
They remember not thinking much about the palace after touring it, said they
decided to walk through the gardens to particular area and then found that it was
close to the public. They recollected traveling with a guidebook and said that they
became lost after missing the turn for the main avenue in Versailles. They entered
a lane where they bypassed their destination, and Charlotte reported that she noticed a
woman shaking a white cloth out of a window, and Eleanor said that she
saw an old, deserted farmhouse and outside there was an old plow. And
so at this point they began to feel dreary and oppressed, and after that
they met men who looked like palace gardeners, who gave them directions told them
to go on straight down this walkway. Charlotte said that the men were very
dignified officials, dressed in long grayish green coats with small, three cornered hats,
and Eleanor reported that she noticed a cottage with a woman holding a jug
to a girl in a doorway. They really were walking down this path in
Versailles and seeing things that felt and seemed and appeared to them to be very
real. And then Eleanor says, everything suddenly looked unnatural, unpleasant. Even
the trees seemed to become flat and lifeless, like wood worked into tapestry.
There was no effect of light and shade, and no wind stirred the trees.
And then they reached the edge of the woods, and they came across
a man seated by a garden and a bench, wearing a cloak and a
large hat. His appearance was, says Charlotte, most repulsive, his expression
odious. His complexion was dark and rough. Eleanor says he looked as if
he had had smallpox. And then he had dark eyes that they did not
like at all. And nearby there was a woman sketching on the grass who
looked at them as they crossed a bridge. She later said the woman was
wearing a light summer dress and a white hat with lots of fair hair.
She thought she might be another tourist, but the dress appeared to be old
fashioned. Later, Charlotte says she thought the lady was Marie Antoinette, but
Eleanor didn't see this woman, only Charlotte did. Then they returned to the
palace and joined a party of other visitors, and then they felt like everything
was back back to normal. So for some time after this they just didn't
talk about it. It's almost as if they were afraid to bring it up
to each other. And then finally Charlotte sends a letter to her sister and
says, let me tell you about what happened here, And so she asked
Eleanor finally what she thought. And sometime later they began to write separate a
ounce of what had happened to them, what they had experienced during this trip.
And it was some time later that eventually they actually ended up writing a
book about it. They said that they were they felt like that they were
back during the time right before the French Revolution. Now keep in mind that
this happened in the early nineteen hundreds. They published their book called an Adventure
in nineteen eleven under pseudonyms. For people who aren't familiar with Versailles, Marie
and Tooinette had a village replicated on the grounds of Versailles, so she could
pretend to be a common peasant, which I think is interesting in its own
historical thing to contemplate during these difficult, impoverished times. So they believe that
they times lived and were back in Marie Andtoinette's recreated village. Is that is
correct. So one theory is exactly as you say, that these women did
not realize that they had gone into this village like atmosphere that Marie Antoinette had
created. It would be like you and I, for example, going to
Williamsburg and suddenly walking through the old village in Williamsburg that's a replica of the
early days of that town, and not realizing that we had crossed over into
this place. Right, So that's one theory. Another theory is that they
had walked into a party where people were dressed in period costume and performing kind
of little plays in this party. Another idea is that they were simply mistaken,
that their memories were inconsistent, that they did not really experience what they
said they did and made it all up. We just don't know. Just
the fact that they saw that park marked negative looking man makes me think because
every time I watch shows that are I love to watch historical TV shows and
movies, but I always laugh at the actors because they're all so beautiful and
they have perfect teeth and perfect skin, and it makes me think, Gosh,
if we could be in a time machine and just visit these times,
people would look so differently. Their skin would be pock marked because I think
like seventy percent of the population had smallpox at some point. Their teeth would
be horrible, they would smell odious because people didn't bathe like we do today.
Their clothes would be different, and their demeanor probably would feel more negative
than we'd feel and exhibit our energy today because times were more negative back then.
I mean, it really was quite a different time where violence. There
was no police force at this time. It was just being created after the
French Revolution, so violence was rampant, and people were impoverished and hungry,
and they felt they had to fight for everything they got. So just that
one man she saw seems to give it some CreI well, it does,
and it's interesting, you know, whether or not it really happened, and
or whether it was fictitious or whatever. One of the interesting things about this
particular time slip story is that it has so captured the imagination of people for
so many years, and it's still when if you google time slips, it's
one of the first stories it comes up. And I wonder what it is
about this story that makes us so intrigued with it. Well, I think
the two women in particular, from what I've read, are pretty believable.
They were both teachers, they were well regarded, they had great reputations,
and so I think that's one reason. They also didn't have anything to gain
from sharing this story, but they did have a lot to lose. I
think it's interesting if you look at these timeslip stories, so many of them
happen around bad weather. You'll notice a lot of these stories people share where
you know, there's that famous one where the girl wakes up and her sheets
are different in her bed, and she goes to work and she's in a
different office and she's with the boyfriend she broke up with eight months ago.
Like that's a pretty well known one. And the weather was kind of off
that day. I think it was raining and thundering, and so it just
makes me wonder if all of these dimensions past, present and future and parallel
dimensions are existing at the same time, and maybe it's just different energy around
us and within us coupled with the electromagnetic energy being affected from the weather.
I don't know. I'm not a sign see person at all, but maybe
all of that creates this perfect storm. For lack of a better word,
these slips came out some of the stories that I'm nice, do you think
And the one next one, for example, I'm going to talk about,
we didn't have anything to do with whether that we could see or were in
some way forecast, And now whether or not they're electromagnetic things going out farther
into the universe, I don't know. So let me tell you this story
about a situation that happened in Oklahoma. This story is often referred to as
the Oklahoma White Building, and it happened in the fall of nineteen seventy one
where Karl Mark and Gordon, who worked for a cattle feed distributor, were
sent to a remote area of Ponca City, Oklahoma to pick up a feeder,
and what they found they did not tell or share for forty one years.
So Carl says that they opened the gate, which was barbed wire,
had no lock, and went in. They drove through tall grass to a
tank that sat close to a red barn, and they got out of the
trunk, and then they realized that the tank was almost half full and too
heavy to load. So we decided to leave and drove around the red barn
and we saw this large, two story white house with no lights in front
of us. The three of them drove back to the cattle feed company and
the boss said he'd drained the tank and they could pick it up tomorrow.
So we went back to the location the next night. This time we decided
to go through the big old white house on the hill, and they brought
their shotguns. They drove onto the property over the path they'd made the grass
the day before, and loaded up the tank, and then they pulled around
the barn towards the house. And then they went around the barn and there
was no house there. We walked up to the hill where it had stood.
There was no sign of demolition, no foundation, nothing at all.
What we all seemed to witness the night before was no longer there. We
have all talked to each other over the years about this, but none of
us can explain the vision. So what's interesting here for me for this story
is that this story of this building that was there one day, one night
and not the next is corroborated by three people. They all saw it,
and because it's the photograph that's often associated with this story shows a building that's
older, not run down or anything like that. That was the image that
they saw, but a large farmhouse that was just gone. So the theory
is that they just were transported back in time for just a moment to perhaps
see what had at some point been on that property in that space. And
so they thought, well, we'll just look around while we're here. So
there was a barn, so they went around to the backside of the barn
and up on this hill behind the barn was this white house. And when
they went back the next day, they thought, well, you know,
gee, there's nobody out there. There's not supposed to be anything else on
this property. Let's go look. And they were into the house that we're
going to go look in the house, and the house wasn't there. That's
fascinating. Do you have another one, let's go to Let's go to England.
In nineteen ninety six, a couple whose names were Frank and Carol were
on Bold Street in Liverpool, apparently that's a fairly large shopping area, and
they split up. Carol was going to go to a book shop, Frank
was going to go look for CDs and music he wanted. So as he
walked up the incline past the Lyceum post office slash cafe building that led onto
the main area of this bold street, he suddenly noticed, Frank did that
he had entered a strange what he called oasis of quietness, and he said,
Suddenly, a small van that looked something out of the nineteen fifties sped
across his path, honking its horn as it narrowly missed it, and he
noticed that the name on the side of the van was Caplain's cp LA an
Apostopeus. So when he looked down, there was a confused policeman standing in
the road, and he wasn't sure why the policeman was standing in the road,
but he saw that Dylan's bookstore, where he thought his wife was going,
had a different sign over the entrance, and it said Crips Cripps,
And so he was really confused, and so he looked in to see that
there were not books in the store window as he thought where his wife had
gone, but now this was a store called Crips, full of women's handbags
and shoes. So he realized that there were people dressed in clothes from the
nineteen forties around him, and he spotted a young woman nearby in who was
in her early twenties, dressed in a lime colored sleeveless blouse and the handbag
that she was carrying had a name on it, like handbags do these days,
which reassured him that it was still partly nineteen ninety six. He thought
this was really weird because he was seeing two time frames at one time.
He felt like he was seeing this handbag store called Crips from another era and
at the same time realizing that the bookstore probably was still there. So he
goes inside and he was amazed that the building had completely changed in a flash
back to Dylan's Bookshop of the present time. The girl turned to leave and
she grasped his arm and said, did you see that? And she said,
I thought it was a clothing shop, but I look around and it's
a bookstore. So he was experiencing a time slip in one direction towards the
past, and she, this woman he did not know, was experiencing a
time slip towards the future at the same quote time. Wow, So she
was like seeing into his world and he was seeing into hers. Yes,
I wonder if they had some type of a psychic connection. I wonder about
that. And the other thing that I wondered about was what was his wife
doing. I mean, she'd gone into the bookstore. Was the bookstore still
there? And she wasn't experiencing anything. Well, this just all makes me
think if all of these dimensions and realities are happening at the same time,
doesn't that give credence to what metaphysics teaches in that we create our own reality.
You know how, I've often said that life remember that meditation I had
where my guide showed me that life is like being in a Blockbuster for anyone
who remembers Blockbuster, where you can just kind of look at movies and pick
which movie you want, you know, like, do you want your your
year to look like a horror movie, a romance movie, a fast action
movie, a drama that we get to pick. And I feel like this
gives a lot of credibility to that belief. Well, I do too,
and of course it certainly begs to confirm the idea that we create each lifetime.
As Richard Box says in Illusions, you know. Yeah, for example,
I was doing a reading months ago for a client and she was upset
because her partner had decided to start this business that she did not want her
partner to start. And she was really mad, and she kept saying,
I know the business is going to fail. I know it's going to fail.
I know it, and I'm going to be proven right. And I
remember thinking she's going to make that happen just to prove herself right. And
sure enough, even though the business was a great idea and I thought it
could do well if both of them were on board and energetically sending positive energy
to that outcome, it did fail. And so it just makes me think,
with all these stories, what if we are creating our reality in every
moment and these things are allowed just to kind of feed the collective unconscious and
remind us that this is possible, you know. And I've thought a lot
about what Einstein said about time in that you know, as we move on,
it is speeding up. There's also the theory that time is a real
because we really only live in the now. If you read Eckert Toole's work.
You know, we're all just in the now, and yet the now
may be a matter of perception, with what we sense and what our brains
process. And there's so much about the human brain, the human psyche,
the way we what is thinking, you know, all of that. It
just blows my mind. It's just so much to think about, and it's
so fascinating to me. It is to me too. You know. There's
a great movie on Netflix for anyone who likes lovely sweet romances. It's called
About Time, and it's about a man who discovers when he turns twenty one
that all the men in his family can travel back in time, not anywhere
in time, but to any scene or moment from their own lifetime. And
so it's really cute because it shows him like falling in love with this girl
and he messes up on the first day, so he goes back in time
to before the first date so he doesn't mess up, and it's really cute.
Anyway, at the end of the movie, I'm not giving anything away,
but at the end of the movie, he decides he's so happy in
the present moment he doesn't need to do that anymore, And it's all about
learning to live in the time that you have now and embracing it. So
I really recommend that it's called about time, But it does make us think
about the possibilities that we have for living in the now, for thinking beyond
linear time, and for being co creators with our own universe, our own
reality. If our conscious or the collective conscious has us stuck in linear time,
can we, through meditation and positive visualization, change at least our little
piece of the reality in this linear time. And I think these stories show
that it can. I think the Philadelphia experiment that we mentioned in the beginning
of the show, if there's any truth to it, is showing that maybe
allegedly some aspects of the government think it is possible, and that possibly we
can take from some of these spooky and interesting stories more sol of hope that
we can actually move into different dimensions. We don't know how many dimensions there
are. You know, we live in the third dimension, the material world,
this world of duality where we have this illusion of separateness, but we
know that there's the fourth dimension that's the astral plane, the dream world.
This is the dimension that we visit when we sleep. If anyone listening has
tried astral travel or OBEs, it's said that where you go is the fourth
dimension. Many times this is the dimension that's ruled by the law of attraction,
Like anything can happen here. So if you're filled with fear, you
might see fearful things here. If you're filled with love, you will see
positive, loving things here. The fourth dimension contains darkness and life, but
it's also where we can tap the collective unconscious. So if we can reach
the fourth dimension in the dream world, in the astral world, that means
we can reach it in meditation and prayer as well. And if we can
tap the collective unconscious in the fourth dimension, then we can use that energy
to create our reality in the third dimension. I was on a website,
a physicist's website, and this website is talked about how they were at leasten
and probably more dimensions, And I think that would be a fascinating show for
us to do, to just talk about the energy of all the various dimensions.
At some point, it's way too complex for us to deal with them
today in the minute or two we have left. But it was fascinating research.
I think I've asked a lot in meditations and dreams, I've asked to
be given more information on the dimensions, and I always get it's more than
you can understand, it's more than you can comprehend. I think that's true.
I do too, don't think I can really grasp it all. But
even if you go back to Dante's work, there's always been this belief in
levels of the afterlife. I have seen that explain to me when I've been
doing mediumship readings, that there are levels to the afterlife. I believe that
I've seen that. I think if there are levels to the afterlife, then
surely there are levels to this life that we're living. Oh. Absolutely,
you know so much of what we're talking about today, and just the concepts
that we're pondering that we are saying we don't know. But it's exactly as
you're saying, is that the possibilities, the layers, the dimensions, even
here on this planet and beyond to universes and multiverses that we can't even yet
fathom in our brains at this point in time, are so vast and so
exciting and so much to learn and to give hope to us. Yeah,
me too, And So if you're living in a reality that you're not really
enjoying a whole lot right now, just think about spending some time in meditation,
creative visualization through a goalbook or vision board, through your prayer life,
where you just consistently, constantly fully visualize the reality that you want and try
to avoid giving energy to the things you don't want in your reality. You
know, think about what it is you're talking about with friends and family,
what it is you're worrying about, what it is you are anxious or stressed
about, and really think about your day at the end of your night and
think, Okay, how much energy did I give to the things I'm worried
about? And how much energy did I give to the things I'm hopeful for?
And if you're giving more energy to the things you're worried about, that's
what you're going to manifest. And so it's important to really focus on looking
at what it is I can create in my reality now and the fourth dimension
with my thoughts that I can pull into the reality I am living in the
third dimension, And that's what I think all these stories are about. And
that's why we wanted to visit this topic again today. Is to really look
at it, not as ooh, isn't that cool? And what is the
government allegedly up to? And what is time travel? But to really think
about how can you apply these stories to your own life and what can they
teach us about what is possible in each of us. Well, thank you
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