WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.520 --> 00:00:02.960 Karen, how long has it been since you've been kind of looking into the 2 00:00:02.960 --> 00:00:05.519 stuff. Oh, it's been a while, it's been a little bit right, 3 00:00:06.040 --> 00:00:09.599 Yeah, me too. Now, when you first ventured into this world, 4 00:00:09.800 --> 00:00:14.279 the world of metaphysics and spirituality, was it like overwhelming for you? 5 00:00:15.160 --> 00:00:18.679 Well, I it wasn't that it was overwhelming, but it was surprising how 6 00:00:18.719 --> 00:00:23.199 many different modalities, And it's like they keep being more. Yeah, that's 7 00:00:23.239 --> 00:00:26.320 really well said. There keep being more. Yes, that's one of the 8 00:00:26.359 --> 00:00:31.559 things I love about you is exponential how eloquently you put things. Yes, 9 00:00:32.000 --> 00:00:37.359 but really the vast amount of information out there can be unbelievably daunting. That's 10 00:00:37.399 --> 00:00:41.240 true. And we've also talked about how sadly there are a lot of people 11 00:00:41.280 --> 00:00:45.079 out there that maybe don't have your best interest in mind. So when you 12 00:00:45.119 --> 00:00:49.560 find a voice out there that really resonates with you, that offers kind guidance 13 00:00:49.600 --> 00:00:53.200 and coaching that helps you, encourages you, shows you that you're not alone, 14 00:00:53.359 --> 00:00:56.200 you want to shout about it from the rooftops. Absolutely. Well, 15 00:00:56.240 --> 00:01:00.920 that's what this show is all about. Today. My name is Will and 16 00:01:00.719 --> 00:01:10.840 unlike Boulder and Scully, so we've embarked in a journey of Discovery. Welcome 17 00:01:10.920 --> 00:01:26.599 to Skeptic Medficians Classic. You are listening to Classic Skeptic Metaphysicians. Welcome to 18 00:01:26.680 --> 00:01:30.840 our version of a walkdown Memory Lane as we present classics from the Skeptic Metaphysician 19 00:01:30.920 --> 00:01:47.439 Library. Warts and all. Welcome to the Skeptic Metaphysicians. I'm Will and 20 00:01:48.239 --> 00:01:52.200 on today's show, we have a special treat for you. I've been listening 21 00:01:52.239 --> 00:01:56.920 to another show called Awaken Your Inner Awesomeness for a while now. This is 22 00:01:56.959 --> 00:02:00.879 a show about spirituality that's dedicated to helping people improve their lives in all kinds 23 00:02:00.879 --> 00:02:06.000 of ways and not just metaphysically. And we are lucky to have been able 24 00:02:06.000 --> 00:02:08.680 to coerce the host of that show to come on hours and help us understand 25 00:02:08.719 --> 00:02:14.520 what the heck we're doing wrong? Okay, no, She graciously offered to 26 00:02:14.560 --> 00:02:15.960 come on the show to chat about the lessons we all need to learn about 27 00:02:15.960 --> 00:02:21.159 in life. So we're thrilled to welcome Melissa Oatman to the show. Melissa, 28 00:02:21.159 --> 00:02:23.479 thanks so much for coming on. Thank you so much for having me. 29 00:02:23.520 --> 00:02:24.599 I'm so excited to be here. Like I mentioned, you have this 30 00:02:24.719 --> 00:02:29.199 wonderful podcast that I've been listening to for a while, and you put a 31 00:02:29.240 --> 00:02:31.479 lot of effort into every episode, and I know that you put out a 32 00:02:31.520 --> 00:02:38.199 lot of content. So I guess probably the best way to begin our conversation 33 00:02:38.560 --> 00:02:43.520 is to ask you what prompted you to get into this space in the first 34 00:02:43.520 --> 00:02:46.719 place. That's a really good question. So for me, it started when 35 00:02:47.000 --> 00:02:50.800 I went through what I like to call a dark knight of the soul. 36 00:02:51.039 --> 00:02:55.439 I went through my own spiritual awakening. I was this is about four years 37 00:02:55.479 --> 00:03:01.680 ago. I was in my early forty and divorce with twins who were in 38 00:03:01.800 --> 00:03:09.159 high school and had a failed relationship, and I had come from a toxic 39 00:03:09.199 --> 00:03:13.400 and abusive marriage that I'd gotten out of when my twins were two year old. 40 00:03:14.719 --> 00:03:16.360 And I just felt like I kept doing the same thing over and over 41 00:03:16.439 --> 00:03:20.479 again, like I was on a hand surreel, living the same day over 42 00:03:20.520 --> 00:03:23.639 and over again. I thought that this is not exciting. There has to 43 00:03:23.639 --> 00:03:25.360 be more to life than just this. Why do I keep picking the same 44 00:03:25.439 --> 00:03:30.800 kind of men? What am I doing wrong? Like I'm doing something wrong? 45 00:03:30.800 --> 00:03:36.199 So I started searching for answers, and that's really what led me to 46 00:03:36.280 --> 00:03:39.159 all of this. My searching for answers led me to listening to different podcasts 47 00:03:39.199 --> 00:03:45.520 about spirituality because I started questioning everything, like what is the point of life, 48 00:03:45.599 --> 00:03:46.840 what is the meaning of life? Why are we here? You know, 49 00:03:46.919 --> 00:03:52.080 how can I make this better? Because it just really there's a lot 50 00:03:52.120 --> 00:03:53.879 of things that I struggle with and I want to know how to make it 51 00:03:53.919 --> 00:04:00.879 easier. So through that process, I ended up following some SPA teachers, 52 00:04:00.080 --> 00:04:05.159 reading many good books. And somebody said to me, I went to a 53 00:04:05.240 --> 00:04:10.520 medium one time, just you know, because, and she said, you're 54 00:04:10.560 --> 00:04:14.120 supposed to be a healer, You're supposed to be doing this work. And 55 00:04:14.360 --> 00:04:17.720 I thought she was insane. So I laughed and thanked her forever her best 56 00:04:17.759 --> 00:04:20.160 orige and went on. And then I kept doing what I was doing. 57 00:04:20.199 --> 00:04:25.680 And the more that I kept following this road of trying to find out more 58 00:04:25.720 --> 00:04:32.120 information, I was healing myself. And in healing myself, I realized that, 59 00:04:32.439 --> 00:04:36.199 you know, if I could help anybody else do this with more grace 60 00:04:36.279 --> 00:04:41.319 and ease and faster than it took me, that would be amazing. So 61 00:04:41.439 --> 00:04:45.519 that's actually what led me to starting my podcast, because I just wanted to 62 00:04:45.759 --> 00:04:49.040 everything I would learn. I just wanted to put out there for the universe, 63 00:04:49.079 --> 00:04:53.560 for anyone out there listening and maybe sitting there thinking like same thing. 64 00:04:53.600 --> 00:04:56.319 I was, what is the point of life? What's meaning of life? 65 00:04:56.319 --> 00:05:00.879 Why are we here? Why is everything a struggle? And so that's kind 66 00:05:00.879 --> 00:05:04.199 of how the podcast started. And then I did end up taking a reiki 67 00:05:04.360 --> 00:05:09.319 course. I ended up getting a coach and mentor, took a reiki course 68 00:05:09.360 --> 00:05:14.279 with her, took a plast life regression course with her, and other healing 69 00:05:14.279 --> 00:05:18.199 modalities. I took and hip in the therapy course just as much information as 70 00:05:18.240 --> 00:05:21.279 I could get to help other people heal. That is what I did. 71 00:05:21.360 --> 00:05:25.839 And then I just started my own business and decided to start doing this on 72 00:05:25.879 --> 00:05:29.680 my own. And my mission has always been if I can help one person 73 00:05:29.800 --> 00:05:31.439 heal, it's worth it. And then I wrote my book. I actually 74 00:05:31.439 --> 00:05:33.959 wrote my book, I think before I started doing the healing work. It 75 00:05:34.000 --> 00:05:38.879 was supposed to be like a cathartic memoir for me, and it ended up 76 00:05:38.920 --> 00:05:42.399 being like a self help book. That was part my memoir, but part 77 00:05:42.439 --> 00:05:47.079 also tips some tools for anyone who's ever been through a divorce or breakup or 78 00:05:47.120 --> 00:05:50.600 a loss in their life. I've had people who haven't been divorced, but 79 00:05:50.639 --> 00:05:55.199 they've lost a significant person in their life, and they told me that the 80 00:05:55.199 --> 00:05:58.959 book was really helpful for them. And it's part humored too. My friend 81 00:05:58.959 --> 00:06:02.120 who edited it for joke that I was the first person to use Karen jokes. 82 00:06:03.120 --> 00:06:08.240 So but I believe humor helps this heal too. So you know, 83 00:06:08.360 --> 00:06:12.000 that's kind of the journey of how this all started, and this is what 84 00:06:12.040 --> 00:06:15.399 I've been doing ever since. And let me just state for the record, 85 00:06:15.480 --> 00:06:18.480 you just won Karen heart so much because she, as a Karen really has 86 00:06:18.480 --> 00:06:21.639 a hard time with the Karen jokes. I do. I'm over it. 87 00:06:23.720 --> 00:06:26.319 Every time she makes a phone call she kept and someone asked her her name, 88 00:06:26.360 --> 00:06:29.160 she goes, but I'm a nice Karen. I am a nice Karen. 89 00:06:30.480 --> 00:06:33.120 In my book, I stated that not all Karens are that way, 90 00:06:33.360 --> 00:06:40.000 So replace the name with anyone you know who embodies those you know, characteristics 91 00:06:40.000 --> 00:06:43.959 that we tend to associate with the Karen jokes. And to be honest, 92 00:06:43.959 --> 00:06:46.360 I have never, even as a kid, I never liked my name, 93 00:06:46.439 --> 00:06:50.759 So I don't really feel like I really am Karen. What was something else? 94 00:06:51.639 --> 00:06:55.720 Yeah, to go back to what you just mentioned, Melissa really quickly 95 00:06:55.959 --> 00:07:00.519 the book. The title of the book, I find heart breakingly beautiful, 96 00:07:01.040 --> 00:07:03.680 and it speaks so much about where you were at that point in time. 97 00:07:03.680 --> 00:07:08.879 The book is called Beautifully Broken, The Spiritual Woman's Guide to Thriving after Divorce 98 00:07:08.959 --> 00:07:11.879 or Breakup, and I just I love that. When I found out that 99 00:07:11.959 --> 00:07:14.800 was the name of your book, I loved it because it really paints a 100 00:07:14.839 --> 00:07:19.959 picture that gives someone an exact idea of where you were at the moment. 101 00:07:20.759 --> 00:07:27.759 Yeah, the whole idea behind the title was the concept of the Japanese pottery 102 00:07:28.000 --> 00:07:32.399 that when it breaks, they put it back together using the paint that's gold. 103 00:07:33.040 --> 00:07:38.040 So when you get finished putting all of the pieces back together, it's 104 00:07:38.079 --> 00:07:42.680 actually even more beautiful than it was before. And that's sort of the premise 105 00:07:42.720 --> 00:07:46.399 of my book is that even though you may feel like you're broken, if 106 00:07:46.439 --> 00:07:49.680 you allow God's lide in and you allow yourself to heal, you can be 107 00:07:49.720 --> 00:07:55.399 made even more beautiful than you've ever been before. Well, something that was 108 00:07:55.399 --> 00:07:58.680 interesting to me that you mentioned is that you kind of went through this cycle 109 00:07:58.759 --> 00:08:01.079 and there are so many people people that I know that it's kind of that 110 00:08:01.120 --> 00:08:03.480 repeat the cycle. Bad relationship, get out, find a new one, 111 00:08:03.480 --> 00:08:05.199 and it's bad, stay in it, get out, find a new one 112 00:08:05.240 --> 00:08:09.360 and it's bad, stay in it. Yeah. So if your book or 113 00:08:09.519 --> 00:08:13.720 you know your podcast can help anybody shorten that cycle, I mean I could 114 00:08:13.720 --> 00:08:16.519 have saved a few years and get rid of some of those some of the 115 00:08:16.519 --> 00:08:20.959 boyfriends that I cycle through. But I guess my question is from what you 116 00:08:22.040 --> 00:08:26.560 have learned, is there a reason, like some sort of energy around people 117 00:08:26.560 --> 00:08:28.600 that makes them kind of get into this cycle or is there a lesson that 118 00:08:28.639 --> 00:08:33.159 they're supposed to learn. Yeah? Absolutely, And the lesson is you have 119 00:08:33.200 --> 00:08:37.600 to love yourself first. A lot of people go through life and they don't 120 00:08:37.600 --> 00:08:45.960 love who they are, and either subconsciously or through sometimes it's overtly. Parents 121 00:08:45.960 --> 00:08:48.639 will tell us you're not enough, or they might compare you to your sibling 122 00:08:48.679 --> 00:08:52.080 and say, well, you know your grades are not as good as your 123 00:08:52.120 --> 00:08:54.159 brother or sister. You could do better. And we pick up all of 124 00:08:54.200 --> 00:09:00.519 these subtle I call them wise, but we pick up stories that we're not 125 00:09:00.559 --> 00:09:03.519 good enough, we don't have enough. And depending on how you grew up 126 00:09:05.480 --> 00:09:11.120 and what your attachment style was to your parents, sometimes we lack self love 127 00:09:11.480 --> 00:09:16.759 and when we do that, then we tend to attract people who either also 128 00:09:16.759 --> 00:09:20.720 don't love themselves or who are looking to take advantage of people who have low 129 00:09:20.799 --> 00:09:24.480 self estee because it's easier for them to do that. And a lot of 130 00:09:24.480 --> 00:09:28.120 it also has to do with your vibration. You know, we are all 131 00:09:28.240 --> 00:09:33.519 energy, and so if your energy is vibrating at a very high frequency, 132 00:09:33.639 --> 00:09:37.679 you tend to attract better things into your life. But if you're vibrating at 133 00:09:37.679 --> 00:09:43.000 a low energy frequency, which if you're living a life that doesn't make you 134 00:09:43.039 --> 00:09:48.080 happy, probably feel very drained and tired, and you know so that that 135 00:09:48.120 --> 00:09:52.360 actually lowers your energy, then you're attracting energetically those things in too. So 136 00:09:52.399 --> 00:09:56.919 there are a few different components that go into the type of people we attract. 137 00:09:58.320 --> 00:10:01.679 But yes, the lesson is to learn to heal yourself. It all 138 00:10:01.720 --> 00:10:05.399 starts from within. Like you, you have to love yourself and you have 139 00:10:05.440 --> 00:10:09.320 to be happy with yourself before you can be happy with somebody else. So 140 00:10:09.360 --> 00:10:11.960 the lesson is always to go within and go back to yourself and to take 141 00:10:11.960 --> 00:10:16.600 care of yourself first. That's pretty good. We're only not even ten minutes 142 00:10:16.639 --> 00:10:20.080 into the show when already getting to listen. That's fantastic. It usually takes 143 00:10:20.159 --> 00:10:22.000 us a long time to get there, but we got right to the mead 144 00:10:22.000 --> 00:10:24.399 of a nice question. Careen sick with me? See, that's that's my 145 00:10:24.480 --> 00:10:28.240 mission is to get you there faster. I like that cut to the chase. 146 00:10:28.360 --> 00:10:31.960 Yeah, I love it. And looking at what you do, you 147 00:10:31.039 --> 00:10:35.879 do a lot of things you mentioned being a Reikie practitioner, yourn intuitive healer, 148 00:10:35.879 --> 00:10:39.120 you're a transformational coach. You find that a lot of these things work 149 00:10:39.320 --> 00:10:43.600 hand in hand together or you kind of have to choose one and go in 150 00:10:43.639 --> 00:10:46.600 a certain direction. Oh no. There's a lot of people who they will 151 00:10:46.679 --> 00:10:52.639 get a reiki session because Vicky can help you to restore your energy and it 152 00:10:52.759 --> 00:10:56.480 just feels good to get reiki too, relaxing and makes feel good, and 153 00:10:56.519 --> 00:11:03.159 then they might also do a coaching session. They're not the same thing. 154 00:11:03.679 --> 00:11:07.799 But I use many different tools in my coaching session. So I like to 155 00:11:07.879 --> 00:11:13.399 use things like EFT Emotional Freedom Technique TAPPY. I like using hypnotherapy, so 156 00:11:13.480 --> 00:11:18.919 we do like well guided meditations with people. Journaling is a great tool. 157 00:11:18.039 --> 00:11:22.480 There are a lot of different tools that I use that I can use in 158 00:11:22.480 --> 00:11:26.159 a session of coaching. And there are some people who strictly do come and 159 00:11:26.200 --> 00:11:28.720 get reiki. There are people who will come and just get a reading, 160 00:11:28.840 --> 00:11:33.360 or some people come just to do a pass life regression, and then some 161 00:11:33.399 --> 00:11:37.279 people say, I want coaching, and I want to include these things in 162 00:11:37.320 --> 00:11:43.039 the coaching session. So really each session is tailored to the person that's working 163 00:11:43.080 --> 00:11:46.879 with me and everything I do, and you really do. I'm looking at 164 00:11:46.919 --> 00:11:50.360 your website right now, at your offerings, and you really do a lot 165 00:11:50.440 --> 00:11:52.120 of things you mentioned. We've already talked about reiki, talked about coaching. 166 00:11:52.399 --> 00:11:56.440 You also do card readings, you do pass life regressions, you do guided 167 00:11:56.480 --> 00:12:01.720 meditations, your podcast. So I guess my question would be, how do 168 00:12:01.759 --> 00:12:05.840 you find the time to do all that stuff? Sometimes it's difficult, but 169 00:12:05.279 --> 00:12:09.200 I feel like when something is your passion and you really love doing it, 170 00:12:09.960 --> 00:12:15.639 that it doesn't seem like work. It just feels like something that you get 171 00:12:15.679 --> 00:12:18.960 to do. And you know, of course, building a business takes a 172 00:12:18.960 --> 00:12:24.039 while. So I'm still working also as a T shirt full time, and 173 00:12:24.279 --> 00:12:28.960 it's one of those things where sort of shifting in one direction and shifting away 174 00:12:28.960 --> 00:12:35.320 from another because I've felt called to really serve in the world, and of 175 00:12:35.320 --> 00:12:37.919 course you serve as a teacher, you're serving people, but this is a 176 00:12:37.960 --> 00:12:41.960 totally different way. And I guess because I personally have been in the trenches 177 00:12:43.039 --> 00:12:48.120 and know what it feels like to not be able to dig your way out 178 00:12:48.320 --> 00:12:52.279 and feel like everything's crashing in around you, that my mission is to help 179 00:12:52.279 --> 00:12:56.679 as many people as I can understand that you're not alone, and you can 180 00:12:56.960 --> 00:13:01.039 break free, you can get out, you can't get help, you can 181 00:13:01.159 --> 00:13:03.600 feel better, you can't actually live a life that you love. You don't 182 00:13:03.639 --> 00:13:07.159 have to stay down there in the trenches, you know, fighting and struggling 183 00:13:07.200 --> 00:13:11.240 every day. Life doesn't have to be such a big struggle. We often 184 00:13:11.480 --> 00:13:15.360 make it a bigger struggle than it really needs to be, and that's through 185 00:13:15.519 --> 00:13:18.440 our thoughts and through our actions. So when we can learn how to start 186 00:13:18.519 --> 00:13:24.000 changing those things, then it makes life a little bit easier for us, 187 00:13:24.000 --> 00:13:26.120 which is, you know, that's what it's all about. We didn't come 188 00:13:26.159 --> 00:13:30.039 here to be miserable. And will you forgot she's a mother of twins. 189 00:13:30.080 --> 00:13:31.320 Of course you can do all kinds of things at the same time. Are 190 00:13:31.320 --> 00:13:35.440 you kidding me? What was I think? You're absolutely right? You are 191 00:13:35.519 --> 00:13:39.320 absolutely right. I like to ask you something you mentioned journaling and how that 192 00:13:39.360 --> 00:13:45.639 can be it a good tool now for me, I hate journaling, Like 193 00:13:45.759 --> 00:13:48.440 what is it? That's so? It's like it's like jogging. You know, 194 00:13:48.440 --> 00:13:52.559 I can do it, it just takes so Yeah, why is journaling? 195 00:13:52.679 --> 00:13:56.000 So? Why should I try to not hate it? Like? Why 196 00:13:56.039 --> 00:14:00.120 is that so good? Well, and you don't have to journal if you 197 00:14:00.159 --> 00:14:03.799 don't like writing pen to paper, you don't have to do it that way. 198 00:14:03.320 --> 00:14:11.120 The point of journaling is to get out your thoughts and your emotions, 199 00:14:11.200 --> 00:14:15.240 and so you can look at it because usually that's when we get an aha 200 00:14:15.240 --> 00:14:20.080 moment, right like I'm feeling really crappy today and I don't know why I'm 201 00:14:20.080 --> 00:14:22.480 feeling this way, what's going on? And we can start thinking about what 202 00:14:22.720 --> 00:14:26.919 happened today or what's been happening in the last two weeks, and then you 203 00:14:26.960 --> 00:14:28.879 look at it and you go, oh, you know what, here's what 204 00:14:28.960 --> 00:14:33.600 it is. I know what it is. Somebody said something to me the 205 00:14:33.639 --> 00:14:37.759 other day about my work and then I wasn't a smart and that triggered a 206 00:14:37.879 --> 00:14:43.360 whole lifetime of me feeling like I'm not smart enough, I don't have enough. 207 00:14:43.720 --> 00:14:46.679 So it really we have all of these emotions that lie deep within us 208 00:14:48.159 --> 00:14:52.039 that our brains don't remember but our bodies remember it and know it's there. 209 00:14:52.679 --> 00:14:58.440 So when we do the journaling work, it usually helps us to remember those 210 00:14:58.480 --> 00:15:03.000 things that are deep down so we can process it and work through it. 211 00:15:03.320 --> 00:15:05.240 You don't have to write, though, I tell people. I have clients 212 00:15:05.519 --> 00:15:09.000 all the time come to me and they're like, I don't want to write, 213 00:15:09.759 --> 00:15:13.000 and I feel like I'm punishing them by making them n and I get 214 00:15:13.000 --> 00:15:16.159 it. And I'm a teacher. My students don't like writing either, so 215 00:15:16.240 --> 00:15:20.080 I tell them you don't have to write it down. You have a phone 216 00:15:20.120 --> 00:15:22.799 and it has a voice mallow or a recorder on it. Speak in to 217 00:15:22.960 --> 00:15:26.080 your phone, and I know people will always say I don't want to hear 218 00:15:26.120 --> 00:15:30.159 my voice back. Well, tough, you know, sometimes you have to 219 00:15:30.159 --> 00:15:33.879 listen to it. But the point of what you're doing is not to punish 220 00:15:33.919 --> 00:15:39.559 yourself. It's to really get insight into what's going on in your life. 221 00:15:39.559 --> 00:15:43.360 And there are many different journaling prompts that you can do. I have a 222 00:15:43.399 --> 00:15:48.840 whole journal for self development. So if you're really wanting to get rid of 223 00:15:50.159 --> 00:15:54.480 lemiting beliefs about yourself, maybe you know you always have trouble with money and 224 00:15:54.519 --> 00:15:58.039 you don't know why, and you don't understand where that comes from. There 225 00:15:58.039 --> 00:16:02.200 are journaling prompts to help you on cover those beliefs you have about money. 226 00:16:02.240 --> 00:16:04.320 Maybe you always saw your parents struggle like me, I grew up with a 227 00:16:04.399 --> 00:16:08.480 mom who was a single mom, so everything was tight, right, money 228 00:16:08.519 --> 00:16:11.679 was tight and when you went to the store, yeah, I was like, 229 00:16:11.879 --> 00:16:15.039 no, you can't have that, don't ask for that. So you 230 00:16:15.159 --> 00:16:22.080 get these messages that money's hard to come by or there's not enough to go 231 00:16:22.159 --> 00:16:26.519 around. We really don't even realize that we picked that up just by growing 232 00:16:26.600 --> 00:16:30.279 up in the household that we did. So the journaling helps you to uncover 233 00:16:30.320 --> 00:16:36.240 what your beliefs actually are and then you can and you have to. It 234 00:16:36.279 --> 00:16:41.919 takes practice work at changing those beliefs. Right, Well, money's not limited. 235 00:16:41.960 --> 00:16:45.120 I see people all around me who have money. They're taking these nice 236 00:16:45.200 --> 00:16:48.519 vacations and they have great jobs. So it's not limited. I've just told 237 00:16:48.600 --> 00:16:52.039 myself that it is. So we have to kind of rewrite that, and 238 00:16:52.360 --> 00:16:55.879 I think journaling is a really great way to do that. But you don't 239 00:16:55.919 --> 00:16:59.440 have to write in it all and you can actually speak it out. But 240 00:16:59.480 --> 00:17:03.519 that's what it Yeah, yeah, I could do that back. I could 241 00:17:03.600 --> 00:17:06.119 do to the problem. Imned to shut up, it could be like forever 242 00:17:06.200 --> 00:17:10.480 long. Well, it's a great point. It just so happens that I've 243 00:17:10.519 --> 00:17:15.119 learned recently that I am a vocal processor. I need to talk about things, 244 00:17:15.160 --> 00:17:18.480 even out loud, just speak to myself or to someone else for me 245 00:17:18.559 --> 00:17:21.440 to process different things, which is why therapy works so well for me. 246 00:17:22.200 --> 00:17:26.240 But in not a lot of people will know that this show started out as 247 00:17:26.279 --> 00:17:30.880 exactly that I was speaking into my phone, processing some of the things I 248 00:17:30.920 --> 00:17:36.799 was going through verbally out loud, and then as a way of me to 249 00:17:36.920 --> 00:17:41.119 get my thoughts out into the universe, I published them as a show. 250 00:17:41.359 --> 00:17:45.880 I've since transitioned that to a different show, which is people aren't going to 251 00:17:45.920 --> 00:17:49.200 find because it became so personal and so raw that I would be embarrassed for 252 00:17:49.200 --> 00:17:53.759 anyone to listen to now. But really good point that, Karen, you 253 00:17:53.839 --> 00:17:59.359 might want to look into how you process things. Maybe you're you're a verbal 254 00:17:59.400 --> 00:18:02.599 processor, or or maybe you know journaling may not be for you, but 255 00:18:02.720 --> 00:18:07.079 something else might be. I obsess, I think over and over and over 256 00:18:07.119 --> 00:18:11.039 and over until there's nothing left to think about. Maybe getting my process. 257 00:18:11.200 --> 00:18:12.480 Maybe Tomlia's point if you get it out, maybe that will help you to 258 00:18:12.559 --> 00:18:17.960 not focus on it so much. And my problem with journaling is that my 259 00:18:18.000 --> 00:18:22.599 brain works too fast. I can't keep up with it. So speaking it 260 00:18:22.720 --> 00:18:26.160 verbally really helped me out a lot, a lot. Yeah, And you 261 00:18:26.160 --> 00:18:32.279 know, as a teacher, many people have different learning styles, so you 262 00:18:32.400 --> 00:18:34.359 kind of have to find what works for you. And that's what's great about 263 00:18:34.400 --> 00:18:37.839 it is there's so many tools out there. If you find something you're like, 264 00:18:38.119 --> 00:18:41.799 I really don't like this, well you know to keep doing it. 265 00:18:41.839 --> 00:18:44.759 There are other things out there. You know. That's the great thing about 266 00:18:44.839 --> 00:18:48.480 variety and choice and that you have free will and you can try all the 267 00:18:48.480 --> 00:18:52.960 things you want. Some people love meditation. Some people hate it. They 268 00:18:52.000 --> 00:18:56.359 can't sit still for that long and I get that too. Like a lot 269 00:18:56.359 --> 00:19:00.200 of people love yoga, and I've absolutely so I wanted to love yoga my 270 00:19:00.279 --> 00:19:03.240 whole life. I've wanted to be the girl that wears the yoga pants. 271 00:19:03.279 --> 00:19:07.599 And you know, I don't love yoga. And to be a spiritual person, 272 00:19:07.799 --> 00:19:11.359 like that's like a sin, right, Like I should be burned at 273 00:19:11.359 --> 00:19:14.720 the stick because I don't like yoga. I too, don't like you. 274 00:19:14.920 --> 00:19:18.839 Yeah, but I like other things that involve movement. You know, I 275 00:19:18.000 --> 00:19:22.200 like other ways of moving. I like doing zumba, and for me, 276 00:19:22.519 --> 00:19:26.480 that is a relaxing and even though it's not slow at all, there's no 277 00:19:26.519 --> 00:19:30.240 slow pace about it. But for me, that is a way to relax 278 00:19:30.480 --> 00:19:34.640 and to move my body. But I do like guided meditation, so it's 279 00:19:34.880 --> 00:19:38.920 very it's unique, you know. It's the way that you relate to things 280 00:19:38.960 --> 00:19:44.000 that if you're sitting there forcing yourself to do yoga and you're not enjoying it, 281 00:19:44.319 --> 00:19:48.400 I don't really see the point of that. Yeah, great point. 282 00:19:48.079 --> 00:19:51.920 I just my body doesn't bend in those ways, so I just I just 283 00:19:52.000 --> 00:19:55.319 hard out too. I've actually used to do tai chi. That's so much 284 00:19:55.400 --> 00:19:59.119 more my speed than yoga. Well, why are you laughing on me? 285 00:19:59.319 --> 00:20:02.359 Because I'm very nice but not saying my thoughts all right now. I appreciate 286 00:20:02.400 --> 00:20:06.519 that very much. Thank you. Well, Jill's a lot of people who 287 00:20:06.640 --> 00:20:07.880 love that, you know, and that's great. Like I said, you 288 00:20:07.920 --> 00:20:12.599 had to find what you really love and war as it needs. Yeah, 289 00:20:12.960 --> 00:20:17.400 we need to take a quick break, but we'll be right back with more 290 00:20:17.519 --> 00:20:27.920 amazing conversation on the skeptic metaphysicians so tell us about the things that topics you 291 00:20:29.000 --> 00:20:32.839 cover on your podcast, because I've been listening to it for a while and 292 00:20:32.920 --> 00:20:37.000 I've found it very helpful in a lot of ways because it is a great 293 00:20:37.319 --> 00:20:41.720 voice in this see endless sea of messages getting out there. What kind of 294 00:20:41.720 --> 00:20:47.599 topics you cover? So that topics are really wide and ranging and there are 295 00:20:47.640 --> 00:20:52.480 anything from how to work with your archangels to human design what it is and 296 00:20:52.599 --> 00:20:59.160 that breeze overview, how to forgive? How do you shift your thoughts? 297 00:20:59.279 --> 00:21:02.440 I mean, really, for me, how I come up with the topic 298 00:21:02.680 --> 00:21:07.039 is I just meditate a little bit and ask the universe what message people need 299 00:21:07.079 --> 00:21:12.720 to hear. And that's usually how I get the individual topics that I cover. 300 00:21:14.119 --> 00:21:15.799 And then I have a lot of awesome guests that come on and they 301 00:21:15.920 --> 00:21:19.279 cover a lot of things I know nothing about, like human design. I 302 00:21:19.319 --> 00:21:22.680 really don't know that much about it, but I've had some awesome guests come 303 00:21:22.720 --> 00:21:27.000 on and talk about it. And my listeners will write to me and say, 304 00:21:27.039 --> 00:21:30.799 hey, can you have you ever thought about covering this topic or could 305 00:21:30.799 --> 00:21:34.400 you talk about this more? And if I can't learn about it, if 306 00:21:34.440 --> 00:21:38.200 I can't go and find the information and then bring it back to them and 307 00:21:38.440 --> 00:21:41.400 cover it in a way that I think is going to give them what they 308 00:21:41.480 --> 00:21:45.440 need. I'll find a guest who can and that way, you know that 309 00:21:45.720 --> 00:21:51.039 the audience members really it's for them. They get what they need out of 310 00:21:51.079 --> 00:21:56.119 it, which is just little things they can be doing every day to make 311 00:21:56.160 --> 00:21:59.319 their lives a little better. See now, what you just said told me 312 00:21:59.319 --> 00:22:02.160 you're a good teacher or I used to be a teacher as well. And 313 00:22:02.359 --> 00:22:04.279 so many times someone will ask on something and you just try to come up 314 00:22:04.319 --> 00:22:07.880 with an answer. But if you don't know it, you find an expert 315 00:22:07.880 --> 00:22:10.880 who does. And I like that. That's that's wonderful, I said, 316 00:22:10.880 --> 00:22:12.759 I was working on that. Karen, for crying out loud, I wasn't 317 00:22:12.799 --> 00:22:18.720 saying names. Yeah, I find making things up on this bot doesn't work 318 00:22:18.759 --> 00:22:21.559 too well. People will call you out on that for sure. Yeah, 319 00:22:21.599 --> 00:22:22.960 that whole fake it to you make it thing, I don't know about that. 320 00:22:23.039 --> 00:22:26.920 Because people are especialities, they see through it a lot really quickly. 321 00:22:27.240 --> 00:22:30.680 Yeah, and there's you know, there are a lot of information out there, 322 00:22:30.720 --> 00:22:34.039 but again you also have to be careful where you get your information. 323 00:22:34.599 --> 00:22:37.279 As you were saying, there's a lot of people out there who don't love 324 00:22:37.319 --> 00:22:41.920 your best interest at heart and who are posting things that are not factual, 325 00:22:42.039 --> 00:22:47.279 and so you do have to be careful kind of where you get your information. 326 00:22:47.640 --> 00:22:51.880 And for me, I try to make my podcast a place that's sort 327 00:22:51.880 --> 00:22:56.400 of relaxing and informative at the same time. So we're not going to be 328 00:22:56.440 --> 00:23:02.960 on there talking about politics and anything that gets people's blood pressure rising, because 329 00:23:03.000 --> 00:23:07.079 I want people to feel better after they listen to my podcast, not you 330 00:23:07.079 --> 00:23:11.559 know, I've listened to podcasts before we're afterwards, I was angry and ready 331 00:23:11.599 --> 00:23:14.359 to go like take on the world because I'm like, how could you say 332 00:23:14.400 --> 00:23:18.400 that on a bidcast? And I try to keep away from those things now 333 00:23:18.440 --> 00:23:23.880 at this point because it's not worth you draining your energy and getting upset. 334 00:23:23.920 --> 00:23:27.000 And it's like what I tell my podcast listeners, sometimes you have to go 335 00:23:27.079 --> 00:23:32.359 through and do it. Social media clean up too, and stop following people 336 00:23:32.440 --> 00:23:37.119 who upset you and make you want to throw your phone Like that's not a 337 00:23:37.160 --> 00:23:41.440 good thing. So taking a break sometimes, and so that's why I try 338 00:23:41.519 --> 00:23:45.359 to make my podcast a place where when you're with me for the half hour 339 00:23:45.519 --> 00:23:49.720 forty five minutes, you feel good, you're learning something new that way, 340 00:23:49.799 --> 00:23:55.799 and you leave, you leave feeling ready to take on the world in a 341 00:23:55.839 --> 00:23:59.640 new way. We've been really fortunate just to have so many great guests on 342 00:23:59.640 --> 00:24:03.160 the PODCAS Cast, and there are you know, you hear about the people 343 00:24:03.240 --> 00:24:07.279 trying to just make a buck and we have not experienced that, which is 344 00:24:07.319 --> 00:24:11.240 fantastic and kind of like what you're saying. I mean, everybody just wants 345 00:24:11.279 --> 00:24:14.079 to help. Everyone that we've talked to you wants to help and put that 346 00:24:14.400 --> 00:24:19.519 healing energy out there. Do you have any significant or impactful success stories that 347 00:24:19.599 --> 00:24:22.920 kind of pop in your mind of someone that you've helped kind of go through 348 00:24:22.920 --> 00:24:26.519 this process of breaking the cycles of the bad relationships. Yeah. I mean 349 00:24:26.559 --> 00:24:30.839 I've had people reach out people I don't even know who listen to the podcast, 350 00:24:32.079 --> 00:24:36.599 and one person told me that they were an alcoholic and they stopped drinking. 351 00:24:37.039 --> 00:24:41.480 Wow, that's pretty that is fantastic. Oh my gosh, I gave 352 00:24:41.480 --> 00:24:44.640 you goosebumps. Yeah, so it's stuff like that. You know. I 353 00:24:44.720 --> 00:24:48.559 love working with people and coaching and that's awesome too. And yes, they've 354 00:24:48.559 --> 00:24:53.319 had people say to me, like what I hear this most common phrase honestly 355 00:24:53.400 --> 00:24:57.119 that people have used when they come back to me is you change my life. 356 00:24:57.880 --> 00:25:02.559 And I didn't even expect to hear anything like that. You know. 357 00:25:03.119 --> 00:25:07.359 I expected to hear like thanks you helped, you know, But to hear 358 00:25:07.400 --> 00:25:11.000 it like you changed my life is something that I never expected to hear from 359 00:25:11.359 --> 00:25:18.279 anybody. And you know that in some way I was able to help anyone 360 00:25:18.680 --> 00:25:22.720 is just the most fulfilling thing ever, and it's why I continue to do 361 00:25:22.759 --> 00:25:26.319 what I do now. On the flip side, have you ever had someone 362 00:25:26.359 --> 00:25:30.559 on your show that kind of opened your eyes about something? We've had a 363 00:25:30.599 --> 00:25:34.519 lot of people that we had no idea, Like when we had the Buddhist 364 00:25:34.519 --> 00:25:37.799 monk on, we had no idea there was such a thing as a tie 365 00:25:37.799 --> 00:25:41.559 Buddhist magic? Right, how what is that? Well? How does that 366 00:25:41.640 --> 00:25:45.960 work? So? Have you ever had someone on your show that you thought 367 00:25:45.200 --> 00:25:48.319 going into it it'd be about one thing, but then it turned like a 368 00:25:48.359 --> 00:25:52.680 complete you turn and you went off a different direction. Yeah. Absolutely, 369 00:25:52.759 --> 00:25:57.119 I've learned so much from my guests as much as probably my audience members have. 370 00:25:57.400 --> 00:26:02.640 I had a guest on one time who talk about womb healing and I 371 00:26:02.640 --> 00:26:04.359 had never heard of it. I didn't know what it was, and she 372 00:26:04.519 --> 00:26:10.000 talked about how it was a powerful way to heal those interemotional wounding that you 373 00:26:10.119 --> 00:26:15.759 have because a lot of it comes from your mother's lineage or whatever. And 374 00:26:15.079 --> 00:26:18.279 it was a very interesting topic. And so I looked more into that and 375 00:26:18.359 --> 00:26:22.960 did like a guide of meditation with that and found that very very helpful. 376 00:26:22.119 --> 00:26:30.960 And I also ended up getting my certification and hypnotherapy because I had someone on 377 00:26:30.039 --> 00:26:34.799 who was a hypnotherapist and talked about how much can help with anxiety and with 378 00:26:34.920 --> 00:26:38.880 different disorders, and I thought, that's something I need to learn because a 379 00:26:38.960 --> 00:26:44.640 lot of clients come to me with anxiety, and a lot of the anxiety, 380 00:26:44.680 --> 00:26:49.559 I think is if you're especially sensitive to energy, which most people who 381 00:26:49.559 --> 00:26:55.359 listen to my podcasts are what they considered the impaths were people who are extra 382 00:26:55.480 --> 00:27:00.279 sensitive to energy, and if you are just going through life, can be 383 00:27:00.359 --> 00:27:04.279 extremely overwhelming because you're picking up not only your energy, but everyone else around 384 00:27:04.279 --> 00:27:11.000 you too. And so if you're around someone who has very heavy energy and 385 00:27:11.039 --> 00:27:14.440 then you're picking up on that, it can be very overwhelming, you know, 386 00:27:14.559 --> 00:27:18.480 especially if you know how people are feeling even though they don't know, 387 00:27:18.519 --> 00:27:22.039 you know, how they're feeling that that can be really an overwhelming thing, 388 00:27:22.079 --> 00:27:27.799 and so teaching them sometimes how to shield themselves from that, Like, you 389 00:27:27.799 --> 00:27:33.079 don't have to always be tuned into every single thing that you're around, and 390 00:27:33.119 --> 00:27:37.200 so it's important for people to learn how to shield themselves if they're especially sensitive 391 00:27:37.200 --> 00:27:41.480 to energy when they go out into large crowds, or you know, just 392 00:27:41.559 --> 00:27:47.799 when they don't want to be tapped into that. There's so much about your 393 00:27:47.839 --> 00:27:52.359 podcast that I love that we could talk about that the entire time, but 394 00:27:52.400 --> 00:27:55.119 I also want to touch a little bit on the other things that you do. 395 00:27:55.640 --> 00:27:59.960 Usually someone picks one modality or another. We've therapists on the show. 396 00:28:00.160 --> 00:28:03.240 We've had pass aggression therapists on the show. We've had card readers to real 397 00:28:03.319 --> 00:28:07.319 readers and things like that. All the things that you do are available. 398 00:28:07.359 --> 00:28:11.200 Do you do them virtually or do you usually do them in person? Yeah? 399 00:28:11.240 --> 00:28:15.400 I do everything virtually because that was just easier for me. When I 400 00:28:15.400 --> 00:28:19.160 started, I all of the practice and everything that I did was virtual. 401 00:28:19.160 --> 00:28:26.480 Every all the courses were online, and so I tried both in person and 402 00:28:26.640 --> 00:28:30.599 virtual on my family when I was practicing, and we get the same results. 403 00:28:30.680 --> 00:28:33.720 No matter what we did. So to me, that said, well, 404 00:28:33.839 --> 00:28:38.200 energy can move through anywhere, so it's same no matter where you are, 405 00:28:38.759 --> 00:28:42.359 So being online for me made it more. It was easier for my 406 00:28:42.480 --> 00:28:47.039 clients because then they could be in the comfort of their own home, didn't 407 00:28:47.079 --> 00:28:51.720 have to travel anywhere, and it's made it easier for them to schedule things 408 00:28:51.799 --> 00:28:55.960 because you know, so many of us are so busy that it's hard sometimes 409 00:28:56.000 --> 00:29:00.640 to block us in time, So that was just a convenience factor for them. 410 00:29:00.920 --> 00:29:04.079 The one thing that I'm curious about, though, is things like hypnotherapy 411 00:29:04.160 --> 00:29:07.839 past life progression. Where as much as we try to make a space that 412 00:29:08.119 --> 00:29:12.480 is conducive to things like that, it's not always easy. I had leor 413 00:29:12.640 --> 00:29:18.200 Leone, who is a very gifted, talented past life progression therapist who study 414 00:29:18.279 --> 00:29:22.039 with Brian Weiss. Doctor Weiss do a past life progression on me, and 415 00:29:22.079 --> 00:29:25.440 we did release it as a bonus episode a while back, but I don't 416 00:29:25.480 --> 00:29:29.200 know if I got all of the benefits that I could have because it was 417 00:29:29.279 --> 00:29:32.000 difficult for me. I was sitting in my office chair, I was talking 418 00:29:32.000 --> 00:29:34.359 to someone across a computer. The audio is sometimes hit or miss because of 419 00:29:34.559 --> 00:29:38.319 our internet connections. Have you found that to be a challenge in your practices. 420 00:29:38.519 --> 00:29:41.680 Every once in a while you'll have a situation that'll happen, like if 421 00:29:41.720 --> 00:29:47.920 the client's internet is unstable or something happens. But for the most part, 422 00:29:48.160 --> 00:29:52.400 I've found that it works pretty well. And I record their sessions too, 423 00:29:52.640 --> 00:29:56.880 so they can go back and watch it later. Or I even have clients 424 00:29:56.920 --> 00:30:02.799 who do the meditation part later they do it again just to try to go 425 00:30:02.880 --> 00:30:07.400 even deeper, get something else out of it. So you provide a recording 426 00:30:07.519 --> 00:30:11.200 of the session. Yeah, any quession that I do, if I do 427 00:30:11.240 --> 00:30:15.000 a coaching with you, or if I do a reading for you, or 428 00:30:15.039 --> 00:30:18.680 I do a past life progression or even reiki, I record the session and 429 00:30:18.720 --> 00:30:22.960 then because in my reiki sessions, you know, not every reaky practitioner does 430 00:30:23.000 --> 00:30:26.720 this, but at the end, I always do a fifteen to twenty minute 431 00:30:26.720 --> 00:30:32.599 guided meditation to take you on even deeper healing. Wow, that is key 432 00:30:32.640 --> 00:30:37.799 because my memory is awful. That would help me tremendously right well, And 433 00:30:37.799 --> 00:30:41.720 then if you're doing a reading too. You know, sometimes when you're in 434 00:30:41.799 --> 00:30:45.400 the session of someone, you'll say I'm getting this, Does this make sense? 435 00:30:45.400 --> 00:30:48.440 And they'll say no, and then they go back later and watch it 436 00:30:48.480 --> 00:30:52.440 like oh wait, yes, yes, Because when you know someone's just asking 437 00:30:52.519 --> 00:30:57.279 you question that per question, sometimes you don't think about something that happened to 438 00:30:57.319 --> 00:31:03.640 me. I had a session when I was practicing doing mediumship. One of 439 00:31:03.680 --> 00:31:07.079 the other students that I was practicing with, she said, your grandma, 440 00:31:07.480 --> 00:31:11.000 if your grandma has a message for you, and there's something about bunnies, 441 00:31:11.000 --> 00:31:14.319 and I was like, yeah, I don't have any idea what you're talking 442 00:31:14.359 --> 00:31:17.519 about. That doesn't make any sense to me. Later that afternoon, I 443 00:31:17.559 --> 00:31:22.400 went to my cousin's house and she had a picture of my niece on her 444 00:31:22.720 --> 00:31:27.200 table. My niece was named after my grandmother, and next to it were 445 00:31:27.240 --> 00:31:30.839 two ceramic bunnies, and there was a ceramic plate behind her with a bunny 446 00:31:30.880 --> 00:31:36.640 on it, and then the frame itself said I Love you, and I 447 00:31:36.680 --> 00:31:40.119 was like, oh my gosh, like okay, those are bunnies, Like 448 00:31:40.359 --> 00:31:45.839 okay, So I had to validated. Sometimes you get things and it's like 449 00:31:45.880 --> 00:31:51.000 a sign that you're going to see or you know, it's very difficult sometimes 450 00:31:51.039 --> 00:31:55.920 when you're in the session itself, think about what is somebody talking about, 451 00:31:55.960 --> 00:31:57.160 and then you go later and you talk to someone else and they're like, 452 00:31:57.200 --> 00:32:00.279 hey, don't you remember this was their nickname or this is what happened, 453 00:32:00.319 --> 00:32:04.519 and like, oh yeah, okay, and then they totally validate what the 454 00:32:04.559 --> 00:32:08.839 person said. So that's why recording is really great, because in the moment, 455 00:32:08.880 --> 00:32:14.240 you don't remember everything that's happening because you're so emotional, but then later 456 00:32:14.279 --> 00:32:15.920 you can go back it's oh yeah, I forgot about that. I forgot 457 00:32:16.000 --> 00:32:20.400 they said that. And of all of these different practices that you do, 458 00:32:20.559 --> 00:32:23.319 is there one that you are particularly fond of or that works better for you 459 00:32:23.319 --> 00:32:30.240 you feel better doing. I absolutely love doing readings and coaching with people, 460 00:32:30.440 --> 00:32:32.319 and I find that in a lot of the readings that I do, I 461 00:32:32.440 --> 00:32:37.440 end up doing we're coaching with people anyway. It just turns that way when 462 00:32:37.519 --> 00:32:40.920 I do reading. You know, people connect to spirit in different ways, 463 00:32:42.079 --> 00:32:45.279 and I don't see dead people. That's not how I work. For me, 464 00:32:45.559 --> 00:32:49.200 It's a thought just pops into my head and then I just blurt out 465 00:32:49.200 --> 00:32:52.680 whatever I get, and so that's kind of the way that I work. 466 00:32:52.720 --> 00:32:58.440 They'll ask me about just can you tell me about my job or about this, 467 00:32:58.599 --> 00:33:01.640 and then I just start rambling and they'll say, how did you Okay, 468 00:33:01.640 --> 00:33:05.720 I didn't say anything. You know, it's stuff that you can't go 469 00:33:05.839 --> 00:33:08.440 online and just look up about a client, and I don't. Ever the 470 00:33:08.519 --> 00:33:13.119 only thing I ever know about them is their name anyway, first name. 471 00:33:13.279 --> 00:33:15.599 So it's really interesting your choice of words, because you say, you blurt 472 00:33:15.680 --> 00:33:20.279 out something or you babble on. I mean that these kinds of things which 473 00:33:20.319 --> 00:33:23.559 are a stream of consciousness kind of thought processes, that really is what it's 474 00:33:23.599 --> 00:33:27.200 like. But you move your ego out of the way and just let spirit 475 00:33:27.279 --> 00:33:30.799 come through. And well, when I first started, it was lung pauses 476 00:33:31.000 --> 00:33:35.880 in one word and lung pauses. And because I kept thinking that, I 477 00:33:36.119 --> 00:33:39.559 was just this was my own thought. I'm just saying these things. And 478 00:33:40.240 --> 00:33:45.359 the more I did it, you start to write everything down and then say 479 00:33:45.440 --> 00:33:50.319 whenever I got And the more practice I did with it, I don't write 480 00:33:50.359 --> 00:33:54.039 anything like I'll write the person's first name down, like I'm going to write 481 00:33:54.079 --> 00:33:58.119 things down that I get, But I never end up writing anything down because 482 00:33:58.160 --> 00:34:00.559 I'm just like, keep talking, I keep talking, keep talking, and 483 00:34:00.640 --> 00:34:05.599 I haven't written anything down, and before I know, it's like fifteen minutes 484 00:34:05.680 --> 00:34:09.000 later, I'm like I haven't written a single thing down except kind of like 485 00:34:09.079 --> 00:34:12.760 this interview where I'm supposed to be taking notes and I'm not taking a single 486 00:34:12.760 --> 00:34:16.480 note while the all the entire time we're talking exactly Well, I'm looking at 487 00:34:16.480 --> 00:34:21.920 your website and you've got review after review, You've got people saying all kinds 488 00:34:21.960 --> 00:34:24.800 of really wonderful things about how you've helped them and how not just your show, 489 00:34:24.840 --> 00:34:30.880 but you're coaching. Everything is just you just exude this light, in 490 00:34:30.960 --> 00:34:36.760 this wonderful energy. If you have not listened to her podcast, I would 491 00:34:37.039 --> 00:34:40.480 strongly urge you to check it out because it may just speak to you as 492 00:34:40.920 --> 00:34:46.239 loudly and clearly as it speaks to me. It's called Awaken Your Inner Awesomeness, 493 00:34:46.599 --> 00:34:51.440 and she is Melissa Oateman. Melissa, someone wanted to reach out to 494 00:34:51.480 --> 00:34:54.400 you. What's the best way for them to do that. You can really 495 00:34:54.440 --> 00:35:00.199 find everything on my website, which is just melissaoatmen dot com, and I'm 496 00:35:00.239 --> 00:35:04.800 on Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, and all of my social media is on 497 00:35:04.840 --> 00:35:08.360 my website my homepage, along with my email which is just Melissa opens seventy 498 00:35:08.400 --> 00:35:13.920 seven at gmail dot com, and really everything you can get to the podcast 499 00:35:14.000 --> 00:35:16.519 from there. You can buy the book from there, you can purchase a 500 00:35:16.599 --> 00:35:21.320 session from there and read more about it, really anything. It's all on 501 00:35:21.320 --> 00:35:24.000 my website and we're going to add those links directly onto our show notes. 502 00:35:24.039 --> 00:35:27.119 So if you'd like to reach out to her, you can certainly go to 503 00:35:27.159 --> 00:35:30.639 skepticmandivision dot com, go do Melissa's episode page, which will be called a 504 00:35:30.639 --> 00:35:35.280 Week in your Inner Awesomeness, and click the links directly and it'll take you 505 00:35:35.760 --> 00:35:38.920 directly to her. So it makes it really simple for you. Melissa. 506 00:35:39.079 --> 00:35:43.639 This has been wonderful. Thank you so much for coming on and sharing of 507 00:35:43.639 --> 00:35:45.920 your energy with our audience. Absolutely, thank you so much for having me. 508 00:35:45.960 --> 00:35:50.400 It was so much fun. It was fun, and a huge thank 509 00:35:50.440 --> 00:35:53.159 you to you. We know that there are tons of options out there, 510 00:35:53.440 --> 00:35:57.719 and having you decide to come along on our journey of discovery with us is 511 00:35:57.719 --> 00:36:01.119 an absolute honor for us. We hope you've enjoyed this conversation as much as 512 00:36:01.159 --> 00:36:05.199 we have. If you did and you feel called to give back, we 513 00:36:05.280 --> 00:36:08.360 invite you to visit our website at Skepticmaneposition dot com, where you can donate 514 00:36:08.559 --> 00:36:13.599 to the show or subscribe as a member through our buy me a copy care 515 00:36:13.639 --> 00:36:16.000 aid. Your support will go a long way towards allowing Karen and I to 516 00:36:16.039 --> 00:36:22.079 bring you these wonderful conversations and teachings in more and more robust ways. That's 517 00:36:22.119 --> 00:36:25.400 all for now. We will see you on the next episode of The Skeptic 518 00:36:25.519 --> 00:36:29.159 Meniposition. Until then, take care,