1 00:00:00,720 --> 00:00:05,280 Welcome to Missing Persons case files. A place where they're gone? Are not 2 00:00:05,360 --> 00:00:11,640 the forgotten? What's happening in the forest of North America? How are so 3 00:00:11,839 --> 00:00:17,480 many people disappearing only to have the remains found much later, or, in 4 00:00:17,519 --> 00:00:23,280 many cases, not at all. Are the predators to blame, giant hair 5 00:00:23,359 --> 00:00:31,480 covered beasts or even more terrifying us as humans? Maybe it's both, Maybe 6 00:00:31,519 --> 00:00:37,039 it's neither. These are just a few of the questions we'll look to uncover 7 00:00:37,200 --> 00:00:48,880 here on the Missing Person's case Files. Jared M. Negretti. Jared was 8 00:00:48,920 --> 00:00:54,280 thirteen years old at the time of his disappearance. He vanished during an overnight 9 00:00:54,399 --> 00:01:00,679 hiking trip with fellow Scouts On the morning of Friday, July nineteenth one. 10 00:01:00,960 --> 00:01:06,560 A group of around twelve Scouts set out to climb the summit of Mount Saint 11 00:01:06,640 --> 00:01:14,599 Gorgonio in California. This was Jared's first ever overnight backpacking trip. During the 12 00:01:14,599 --> 00:01:19,319 final stretch to the summit, things got weird. Around six pm, one 13 00:01:19,359 --> 00:01:23,799 of the scout leaders was notified that one of the scouts was falling behind. 14 00:01:26,079 --> 00:01:30,959 After making it to the top, a head count was taken. That's where 15 00:01:30,959 --> 00:01:34,799 it was noticed there was no Jared At this point, they decided to start 16 00:01:34,840 --> 00:01:40,079 heading back and to look for him. They made it all the way to 17 00:01:40,200 --> 00:01:44,640 base camp, but no Jared, the scout leader, decided to head out 18 00:01:44,680 --> 00:01:49,359 on his own to get help. It was around midnight when he was able 19 00:01:49,400 --> 00:01:53,120 to reach a ranger and report the boy missing. This began one of the 20 00:01:53,319 --> 00:02:00,599 largest search and rescue operations in park history. San Gorgonio Mountain Akaold Gray Back, 21 00:02:00,920 --> 00:02:05,519 is the highest peak in southern California, at eleven thousand, five hundred 22 00:02:05,519 --> 00:02:12,599 feet. Every single year, campers and hikers flood the San Gregonio Wilderness by 23 00:02:12,639 --> 00:02:19,520 the thousands during the summer months. Tempts can and do hit the mid nineties 24 00:02:19,639 --> 00:02:24,800 during the day and dropped to almost freezing at night. The day Jared went 25 00:02:24,879 --> 00:02:30,800 missing, it was around eighty degrees during the day but fell to the fifties 26 00:02:30,039 --> 00:02:36,759 that night. Every year, people go missing, but are almost always found 27 00:02:37,080 --> 00:02:43,400 in relatively good condition. Jared was from Elmonte, California. It was around 28 00:02:43,400 --> 00:02:47,280 five foot two inches tall and weighed one hundred and fifty pounds. He was 29 00:02:47,400 --> 00:02:53,280 considered to be a bit overweight. The day he went missing. He was 30 00:02:53,319 --> 00:02:58,080 in good spirit. He usually didn't have any trouble keeping up. Despite being 31 00:02:58,120 --> 00:03:01,439 a bit on the heavier side. He was wearing his normal scalp clothing, 32 00:03:01,759 --> 00:03:07,000 which consisted of green pants and a tan shirt. He had with them a 33 00:03:07,080 --> 00:03:14,719 water canteen, some snacks, and a disposable camera in his backpack. By 34 00:03:14,800 --> 00:03:19,680 nine am on the following morning, hundreds of search and rescue workers were calmbing 35 00:03:19,680 --> 00:03:24,599 one hundred and thirty square mile area of forested mountain. Dog teams as well 36 00:03:24,639 --> 00:03:34,240 as horseback searchers and aircrafts with infrared were also utilized. On Day three, 37 00:03:34,280 --> 00:03:38,759 even more people joined the search, and on this day the first clue was 38 00:03:38,800 --> 00:03:46,759 discovered. A footprint believed to match jared shoe was found, and not far 39 00:03:46,800 --> 00:03:53,159 from that was some wrappers from snacks. The last item found was Jared's disposable 40 00:03:53,199 --> 00:03:59,639 camera. There were twelve photos taken, mostly just landscape images taken before he 41 00:03:59,680 --> 00:04:03,400 went, but the final picture taken was a close up of Jared's face, 42 00:04:04,479 --> 00:04:11,280 mainly his eyes and nose. It was taken with the flash on, so 43 00:04:11,360 --> 00:04:15,879 it must have been taken at night. This was the last of any evidence 44 00:04:16,240 --> 00:04:20,959 that was found, and in the three plus decades to follow, there has 45 00:04:21,040 --> 00:04:27,079 been no sign of the boy. The search would go on for another couple 46 00:04:27,079 --> 00:04:31,639 of weeks and lasted a total of nineteen days, involving more than three thousand 47 00:04:31,680 --> 00:04:39,839 people in over forty five thousand hours, covering over fifty six square miles of 48 00:04:39,879 --> 00:04:46,519 the San Bernardino Wilderness. What happened to Jared Negretty? A lot of you 49 00:04:46,519 --> 00:04:51,600 guys that follow this channel and I have supported the paranormal odyssey that the shows 50 00:04:51,639 --> 00:04:59,680 that I do have have come to really enjoy the missing person's cases that I've 51 00:04:59,720 --> 00:05:06,560 been So that's why I started this new little segment called Missing Person's Case Files. 52 00:05:08,319 --> 00:05:12,519 I'm gonna be doing these probably one a week, maybe release them on 53 00:05:12,600 --> 00:05:17,560 Monday. Gonna be releasing them to YouTube as well as podcasts. So I've 54 00:05:17,600 --> 00:05:24,199 been looking into several cases and this one just jumped out at me. You 55 00:05:24,240 --> 00:05:30,439 know, I've got the cases that I've really enjoyed covering the Yuba County five 56 00:05:30,240 --> 00:05:35,639 is definitely up there, a couple other Smoky Mountain ones I've really enjoyed looking 57 00:05:35,639 --> 00:05:41,720 into, but this one's got me perplexed. Guys, I don't know what 58 00:05:42,040 --> 00:05:46,480 could have happened to this eighth grader. You know, he was an eighth 59 00:05:46,560 --> 00:05:49,439 grade boyd From everything that I've seen all the research I've done. He seemed 60 00:05:49,439 --> 00:05:56,920 like a pretty good kid, no behavioral issues that I'm aware of, So 61 00:05:57,120 --> 00:06:00,079 I mean, what could have happened. Let's let's go over the normal options. 62 00:06:01,800 --> 00:06:08,040 The most, you know, if we're gonna employ Alkham's razor, we 63 00:06:08,160 --> 00:06:14,079 would think it said that he was falling behind, and he was behind everyone, 64 00:06:14,600 --> 00:06:16,560 if he was in a hurry to catch up, to try to catch 65 00:06:16,639 --> 00:06:23,319 up, maybe he took a wrong trail. Maybe he stepped off onto a 66 00:06:23,360 --> 00:06:28,439 different trail and it took him somewhere he wasn't familiar with. Maybe he decided 67 00:06:28,480 --> 00:06:32,040 to take a short cut that wasn't due to trail and what he thought would 68 00:06:32,079 --> 00:06:38,079 be a short cut and got off trail and got lost that way. That's 69 00:06:38,199 --> 00:06:46,160 probably the most reasonable explanation that's out there. Another one is you got was 70 00:06:46,199 --> 00:06:50,959 he abducted? Now, guys that were almost at the summit of this mountain, 71 00:06:51,000 --> 00:06:56,160 which was eleven five hundred feet, that's a long way up there. 72 00:06:57,319 --> 00:07:01,480 I really doubt anyone was up there, they're that high and had the energy 73 00:07:02,199 --> 00:07:09,560 to take this boy physically and get him off the mountain. I'm not saying 74 00:07:09,560 --> 00:07:15,040 that it couldn't have been done It absolutely could have been done. It's just 75 00:07:15,079 --> 00:07:19,079 not the way that I'm leaning. You got a question, or I question 76 00:07:19,279 --> 00:07:27,839 anyway? Why have no remains been found? They had so many people out 77 00:07:27,879 --> 00:07:31,120 on this mountain this I think it says fifty six square miles from from where 78 00:07:31,120 --> 00:07:39,560 he went missing, All of these people in this small area, relatively small 79 00:07:39,639 --> 00:07:44,439 area, and three decades, you know, we're going on like thirty two 80 00:07:44,560 --> 00:07:50,040 thirty three years now, no remains have ever been found any most anytime you 81 00:07:50,120 --> 00:07:56,199 hear about people going missing, eventually their bodies are found. Why was this 82 00:07:56,279 --> 00:08:00,240 boys not? I don't I don't get that. Something else I don't know 83 00:08:00,399 --> 00:08:03,199 about the area. Maybe some of our listeners out there can can write in 84 00:08:03,360 --> 00:08:09,879 and let me know. Are there a lot of caves in this area or 85 00:08:11,439 --> 00:08:16,560 are there like sinkholes? I mean, I don't know. I'm grasping its 86 00:08:16,560 --> 00:08:20,639 straws here. I'm certainly not familiar with the area at all, but we 87 00:08:22,360 --> 00:08:24,560 do have listeners all over the place, So if anyone out there is familiar 88 00:08:24,600 --> 00:08:30,920 with this area, please let us know about the terrain. So, I 89 00:08:30,959 --> 00:08:41,080 don't think abduction is one of them animal attack. If again, if an 90 00:08:41,080 --> 00:08:46,559 animal got this boy, there would be a mess I don't think it's possible 91 00:08:46,679 --> 00:08:52,919 that an animal got him that day, because surely someone would have heard it. 92 00:08:52,519 --> 00:08:56,600 Some of the other scouts would have heard an attack, heard him screaming 93 00:08:56,679 --> 00:09:01,360 for help and and pain. I would have heard that. So if an 94 00:09:01,440 --> 00:09:05,720 animal did get him, he had to have gotten lost first in my opinion, 95 00:09:07,039 --> 00:09:11,440 and then that night or the next day or something, maybe an animal 96 00:09:11,480 --> 00:09:15,840 got him. But again, that would be messy. That would be blood 97 00:09:15,879 --> 00:09:18,720 found, because you know, just a few hours later there were people all 98 00:09:18,759 --> 00:09:24,200 over those woods looking. Someone would have found blood. You would think pieces 99 00:09:24,200 --> 00:09:30,080 of clothing, something like that. It wasn't wasn't found. So I don't 100 00:09:30,080 --> 00:09:33,200 think it was an animal attack. I think you can cross that one off. 101 00:09:35,480 --> 00:09:37,960 The people that follow me. There's a lot of you out there, 102 00:09:39,039 --> 00:09:41,440 y'all have heard me talk about this. You know, y'all know I'm a 103 00:09:41,480 --> 00:09:46,639 bigfoot guy. I founded my research organization, Manimal Research, back in twenty 104 00:09:46,759 --> 00:09:50,759 nineteen. We get out in the woods and look for evidence of sasquatch. 105 00:09:50,120 --> 00:09:54,840 For those of you that are new to the channel, that's what I do, 106 00:09:54,919 --> 00:10:01,559 that's my passion. Anytime you talk about these disappearances, especially when no 107 00:10:01,639 --> 00:10:07,399 one was found, people scream Bigfoot. I don't want to be one of 108 00:10:07,440 --> 00:10:11,200 these guys with Bigfoot on the brain. I do my very best to not 109 00:10:11,399 --> 00:10:18,039 be. But when you hear about cases like this, I don't think that 110 00:10:18,039 --> 00:10:26,200 that can be crossed off. I really don't. I certainly believe bigfoot exists. 111 00:10:26,759 --> 00:10:31,679 I think that they're out there. So is it possible that he was 112 00:10:31,720 --> 00:10:37,440 taken by something like this. I think it's very possible, very possible. 113 00:10:37,960 --> 00:10:41,399 I'm not going to go out as far as saying that's what I think happened, 114 00:10:41,440 --> 00:10:48,720 because it's not that I think is definitely definitely a possibility, especially when 115 00:10:48,759 --> 00:10:56,559 you talk about a lot of people report that these things, these bigfoot creatures 116 00:10:56,639 --> 00:11:01,840 are attracted to children. Only A thirteen year old five to two, one 117 00:11:01,919 --> 00:11:07,320 hundred and fifty pounds. That's not a small child. So I don't know 118 00:11:07,360 --> 00:11:11,120 if that would have a role in it, if maybe he would be seen 119 00:11:11,159 --> 00:11:16,600 as more of an adult. I don't know. I don't know, but 120 00:11:16,720 --> 00:11:22,879 I think he got to leave that that scenario out there, I really do. 121 00:11:24,960 --> 00:11:28,799 The next one I'm talking about is something that I've talked about when pertaining 122 00:11:28,879 --> 00:11:35,240 to the Smoky Mountains and all of the reports of feral people. Again, 123 00:11:37,240 --> 00:11:39,960 California is literally on the other side of the country from where I'm at. 124 00:11:41,440 --> 00:11:46,559 I know nothing about California, the mountains of California. I know nothing about 125 00:11:46,600 --> 00:11:48,240 it. There are people out there that live there that can tell me, 126 00:11:48,320 --> 00:11:58,480 so please do. Are there reports of feral people in the northern California Mountains? 127 00:11:58,919 --> 00:12:01,679 I don't know. There's certainly in Tennessee, and that's led me to 128 00:12:03,440 --> 00:12:07,320 consider that when people go missing in the Smokies. I've talked about it, 129 00:12:07,519 --> 00:12:13,159 but I can't really speak to it in California. But I don't know. 130 00:12:13,840 --> 00:12:22,000 It's so weird. It's so odd to me that no remains have ever been 131 00:12:22,120 --> 00:12:28,360 found over thirty years. What could have happened to this young man? I 132 00:12:28,440 --> 00:12:33,960 don't I don't know. I don't know what else can be said about it. 133 00:12:35,039 --> 00:12:39,159 I don't know what else we can do. If anyone out there has 134 00:12:39,200 --> 00:12:43,600 any more information on it, anything that they can add to this case, 135 00:12:45,039 --> 00:12:52,159 please certainly reach out Wayne at Paranormalworldproductions dot com and yeah, just let me 136 00:12:52,200 --> 00:12:56,360 know. This one was short and sweet. It's going to be the start 137 00:12:56,159 --> 00:13:01,279 of many many to come, but I want to kick everything off with this 138 00:13:01,919 --> 00:13:11,960 short one. First. Douglas leg Douglas was born on August eleventh, nineteen 139 00:13:11,039 --> 00:13:18,639 sixty two. On Saturday, July tenth, nineteen seventy one, he disappeared. 140 00:13:20,120 --> 00:13:24,279 This led to the largest search and rescue ever organized in New York history. 141 00:13:26,480 --> 00:13:31,120 This is the story of eight year old Douglas leg or Dougie as he 142 00:13:31,200 --> 00:13:37,519 was known to family and friends. Dougie loved hiking and fishing. His family 143 00:13:37,639 --> 00:13:43,080 was extremely well off financially. His mother was the co founder of the Melvin 144 00:13:43,159 --> 00:13:48,919 and Melvin Law firm in Syracuse, New York. In nineteen fifty three, 145 00:13:48,080 --> 00:13:54,360 the Santinoni Preserve was purchased by Dougie's grandparents, who were also not hurting one 146 00:13:54,399 --> 00:14:01,480 bit for money. It was purchased to hold family vacations and get togethers. 147 00:14:01,600 --> 00:14:07,960 It was a thirteen thousand acre retreat located just south of the Adirondack Mountains. 148 00:14:09,159 --> 00:14:13,039 Once you enter the preserve, you reach this amazingly beautiful, over one hundred 149 00:14:13,080 --> 00:14:18,879 and thirty year old log cabin it's referred to as the Great Lodge Complex. 150 00:14:20,080 --> 00:14:26,240 About four and a half miles past there and along the Newcombe Lake, you 151 00:14:26,360 --> 00:14:31,600 arrive at the main Lodge. In total, there are forty five buildings on 152 00:14:31,639 --> 00:14:37,039 this property, all being the same rustic architecture from the late eighteen hundreds and 153 00:14:37,120 --> 00:14:43,360 early nineteen hundreds. The entire family were enjoying one last summer vacation before the 154 00:14:43,440 --> 00:14:48,399 preserve was to be shut down for the remainder of the year. Dougie woke 155 00:14:48,519 --> 00:14:54,639 up on July tenth very excited due to the plans he had made to go 156 00:14:54,679 --> 00:15:03,720 on a hike with his uncle. Dougie loved to stay tuned for more paranormal 157 00:15:03,759 --> 00:15:13,799 odyssey. He woke up, did some chores and threw on his favorite hiking 158 00:15:13,840 --> 00:15:20,519 clothes, and patiently waited for his afternoon hike. About twenty minutes into the 159 00:15:20,639 --> 00:15:26,000 hike, his uncle saw some poison ivy on the trail. Not wanting Dougie 160 00:15:26,080 --> 00:15:30,159 to get into it, he decided to send Douggie back to the cabin to 161 00:15:30,279 --> 00:15:35,000 change into some pants. He had been wearing shorts. It was about a 162 00:15:35,039 --> 00:15:39,279 half mile or so back to the cabin. Dougie actually passed his brother and 163 00:15:39,600 --> 00:15:46,000 cousin about fifty yards or so away from the cabin. The uncle waited for 164 00:15:46,080 --> 00:15:50,679 him to return. He knew it should only take about thirty or forty minutes 165 00:15:50,480 --> 00:15:56,399 for him to make it back. That time came and went though. The 166 00:15:56,480 --> 00:16:00,679 uncle decided to walk back to the cabin to see what was keeping Dougie, 167 00:16:00,000 --> 00:16:04,120 but when he made it back, Dougie was nowhere to be seen. The 168 00:16:04,200 --> 00:16:10,720 uncle started to ask around. Obviously, the brother and cousin were the only 169 00:16:10,799 --> 00:16:15,480 two to say they had seen him. The uncle went inside and saw that 170 00:16:15,519 --> 00:16:19,000 the pants Dougie was supposed to be putting on were in the bedroom. He 171 00:16:19,039 --> 00:16:23,840 got the family together and they set out their own search party. They searched 172 00:16:23,879 --> 00:16:30,039 into the evening. They then reached out to the police. The following morning, 173 00:16:30,200 --> 00:16:36,440 for strangers arrived with search dogs and helicopters were flying above looking for little 174 00:16:36,480 --> 00:16:42,559 Dougie. The Plattsburgh Air Force Base actually sent out planes with a new technology 175 00:16:42,840 --> 00:16:48,519 called Flear, which is a camera designed to pick up the heat signature, 176 00:16:48,639 --> 00:16:53,639 particularly in body heat coming off of live person or animal. All told, 177 00:16:53,919 --> 00:17:00,159 there were more than a thousand volunteers searching the preserve WRS. Terrain and some 178 00:17:00,320 --> 00:17:07,640 heavy rains that came through caused searchers to move very slowly. At one point, 179 00:17:07,680 --> 00:17:11,720 though there was some hope, the dogs picked up on Dougie's stint and 180 00:17:11,799 --> 00:17:15,400 were able to follow it through the woods to a very swampy pond. They 181 00:17:15,440 --> 00:17:21,519 then called for a team to come out and drain the pond and drudge the 182 00:17:21,559 --> 00:17:26,519 bottom. Then, on the fifth day, they found some shoe prints they 183 00:17:26,559 --> 00:17:32,079 believed to belong to the boy out near a ward pond, which was about 184 00:17:32,119 --> 00:17:34,480 one and a half miles around and on the other side of the lake. 185 00:17:36,880 --> 00:17:41,519 After a week of searching, the family chartered a plane to go and pick 186 00:17:41,640 --> 00:17:48,440 up an elite team of mountain searchers from the Sierra Madre Mountains. However, 187 00:17:48,480 --> 00:17:52,359 they were in no way familiar with this type of terrain and they were not 188 00:17:52,480 --> 00:17:59,480 able to help. After six weeks, the search was caught off one month 189 00:18:00,279 --> 00:18:06,839 prior to Dougie's ninth birthday. One of the craziest parts of this case was 190 00:18:06,880 --> 00:18:11,880 that a search party with bloodhounds picked up Douglas's scent at one point, not 191 00:18:12,039 --> 00:18:17,480 a scent that led to the pond, but one that led into the mountains. 192 00:18:17,960 --> 00:18:23,400 They tracked his scent for over thirty miles. The handlers thought there had 193 00:18:23,440 --> 00:18:26,480 to be some kind of mistake. There's no way it could have went this 194 00:18:26,599 --> 00:18:30,799 far, and they tried to pull the dogs off of the scent, but 195 00:18:30,880 --> 00:18:37,119 they would go right back to it. The trail eventually went cold and the 196 00:18:37,200 --> 00:18:44,279 scent was lost. There were sightings and findings in the years after. In 197 00:18:44,359 --> 00:18:48,839 nineteen seventy three, a hunter was on military leave when he came across a 198 00:18:48,920 --> 00:18:55,000 skull and other human remains for whatever reason, though he wasn't supposed to be 199 00:18:55,160 --> 00:18:59,640 in that area and was worried about getting in trouble, so he didn't report 200 00:18:59,680 --> 00:19:04,720 it. He came forth twenty years later in nineteen ninety three, but they 201 00:19:04,720 --> 00:19:11,960 were unable to find anything in that area. What happened to Dougie leg All 202 00:19:12,039 --> 00:19:17,240 right, I got Tiffany here, just read over some of the notes from 203 00:19:17,279 --> 00:19:19,279 this case, and we are going to go over and give some of our 204 00:19:21,440 --> 00:19:26,160 opinions and some of the stuff that we had found. And before I turned 205 00:19:26,160 --> 00:19:29,480 it over to Tiffany, I just want to that last part that I read 206 00:19:29,480 --> 00:19:34,599 about the gentleman finding a skull and then not reporting it for twenty years. 207 00:19:34,720 --> 00:19:38,960 Does that not sound so much like the Dennis Martin case. I mean it 208 00:19:40,240 --> 00:19:42,920 really does. Yeah, someone did the same thing with that one. I 209 00:19:42,920 --> 00:19:48,039 don't know if we should believe these people or what, but give us an 210 00:19:48,079 --> 00:19:53,200 overall what's your overall opinion of this case? Well, it's baffling, It 211 00:19:53,319 --> 00:20:00,920 is gut runching, and I really feel bad for his uncle. And why 212 00:20:02,920 --> 00:20:07,200 would you send your eight year old nephew on a half mile hike in bear 213 00:20:07,279 --> 00:20:11,440 country? Why not just go with him? You know, why risk it? 214 00:20:11,440 --> 00:20:17,039 It's poison ivy. I would rather have my kid itch and nowhere he's 215 00:20:17,079 --> 00:20:22,160 at. Yeah, I mean, honestly, yeah, the whole thing, 216 00:20:22,960 --> 00:20:29,920 it doesn't make any sense at all, Like how you know the terrain, 217 00:20:30,640 --> 00:20:36,720 the volunteers, one thousand people, and then to be missing for forty minutes, 218 00:20:36,799 --> 00:20:41,200 I mean less than an hour and you're gone, Yeah, I mean, 219 00:20:41,200 --> 00:20:42,839 how is it even possible? How do you fathom that? How can 220 00:20:42,920 --> 00:20:45,680 you fathom that? You can't. I've got an eleven year old, my 221 00:20:47,000 --> 00:20:51,920 eleven year old Kaden. I wouldn't send him on a half mile walk through 222 00:20:51,920 --> 00:20:55,599 the woods by himself, even if it's a place we've been going to for 223 00:20:55,720 --> 00:20:57,079 years that he was familiar with. There's no way, I mean, you 224 00:20:57,160 --> 00:21:00,640 walk with him. I don't know a lot of people. Did you see 225 00:21:00,680 --> 00:21:06,880 anywhere, tiffany where people kind of blamed or questioned the uncle that thought maybe 226 00:21:06,880 --> 00:21:12,359 he was involved. I did, and I saw where they questioned him but 227 00:21:14,759 --> 00:21:18,039 you know, everything he said, they dismissed him as being you know, 228 00:21:18,759 --> 00:21:22,559 there wasn't any foul play involved. The uncle wasn't involved, you know. 229 00:21:22,880 --> 00:21:26,920 I think he had the boy's best interest at heart. But at the same 230 00:21:26,000 --> 00:21:30,400 time, you know, I mean, he's eight years old. He's a 231 00:21:30,480 --> 00:21:33,480 curious little boy, whether he knows that area or not. And from what 232 00:21:33,519 --> 00:21:37,200 I understand, I mean, he loves hiking, so he knows, you 233 00:21:37,240 --> 00:21:41,519 know, he should know the rules. And then you know, but that 234 00:21:41,680 --> 00:21:48,119 curiosity and those little kids if they see something and you know something, oh 235 00:21:48,160 --> 00:21:52,000 look at this rock or look at the stick, and then there you go 236 00:21:52,559 --> 00:21:57,920 squirrel exactly, and there's something. Yeah. One thing that leads me to 237 00:21:57,960 --> 00:22:03,240 think that the uncle didn't have anything to do with it is Dougie's brother and 238 00:22:03,359 --> 00:22:07,519 cousin saw him on his way back, saw him right before he made it 239 00:22:07,559 --> 00:22:10,839 to the cabin. It says like fifty yards away from the cabin, so 240 00:22:10,920 --> 00:22:15,119 he was seen. So that part is true. He did walk back by 241 00:22:15,200 --> 00:22:21,839 himself. But what happened those last fifty yards, and I'd like to know 242 00:22:21,880 --> 00:22:25,880 from the brother and the cousin, was it just they saw him in passing 243 00:22:26,079 --> 00:22:30,119 and then didn't pay him any attention or what exactly happened, you know, 244 00:22:32,319 --> 00:22:36,440 was he with somebody else? You know, because they were there for their 245 00:22:36,519 --> 00:22:41,279 last vacation, so there had to have been other family members there. Could 246 00:22:41,319 --> 00:22:45,880 they question anybody else or just the uncle? Yeah? I didn't see any 247 00:22:45,920 --> 00:22:49,359 parts of that, like you. I read a few things. I watched 248 00:22:49,359 --> 00:22:56,559 several YouTube videos. Yeah, I mean, no one was ever accused. 249 00:22:56,880 --> 00:23:02,240 There were no charges followed against anybody, No formal accusations were made against anyone. 250 00:23:02,279 --> 00:23:06,079 So that leads me to believe that the authorities believe that the uncle didn't 251 00:23:06,119 --> 00:23:08,880 have anything to do with it. But then you got to understand how well 252 00:23:08,920 --> 00:23:15,319 off, how rich this family was. Right, rich people can make things 253 00:23:15,400 --> 00:23:18,759 disappear. I'm not at all saying that's the case at all, because everything 254 00:23:18,759 --> 00:23:25,799 I've read these people were heartbroken over the loss of their child. But money 255 00:23:25,839 --> 00:23:30,000 makes people look the other way. It does in so many cases, and 256 00:23:30,039 --> 00:23:34,480 it's unfortunate, so many things get covered up. Money talks, and money 257 00:23:34,640 --> 00:23:41,200 can carry on a full conversation and make things disappear. And how my question 258 00:23:41,279 --> 00:23:45,839 would be, just as it would be with all of the people, not 259 00:23:45,920 --> 00:23:49,440 just children that go missing, is how do they end up so far away 260 00:23:49,880 --> 00:23:55,880 in such a short amount of time. Yes, he's a year old. 261 00:23:56,039 --> 00:23:59,160 I know that they can wonder and don't realize how far they've gone. But 262 00:23:59,279 --> 00:24:04,400 thirty my is a long ways away for anybody to walk, much less than 263 00:24:04,440 --> 00:24:08,880 eight year old little boy. Yeah, that's why the searchers in that team 264 00:24:10,200 --> 00:24:14,519 tried several times to pull the dogs off. There's no way an eight year 265 00:24:14,519 --> 00:24:18,400 old boy walked this far in that short amount of time. But how else 266 00:24:18,440 --> 00:24:23,839 did his scent get there right right? Get carried? Yeah? Was he 267 00:24:23,920 --> 00:24:29,759 carried? Because bloodhounds, I mean they are trained from the time they are 268 00:24:29,799 --> 00:24:33,920 puppies to pick up on all these different scents and smells, and you know 269 00:24:34,000 --> 00:24:40,640 they're not going to go off on some stray rabbit trail. Yeah, But 270 00:24:41,640 --> 00:24:45,640 as I say, was he carried? It kind of hit me. If 271 00:24:45,680 --> 00:24:49,000 he was carried, would that leave a scent? Or is his scent his 272 00:24:49,119 --> 00:24:53,720 actual feet touching the ground and walking through the shrubs and stuff like that. 273 00:24:53,880 --> 00:24:56,440 So if he was carried, I don't know that he would have left a 274 00:24:56,519 --> 00:25:00,799 scent. I don't know how that works. Well. I mean, he 275 00:25:00,240 --> 00:25:07,559 could be carried to a point, but if they found his shoeprints, then 276 00:25:07,599 --> 00:25:11,799 that would indicate that he was walking at least a little bit. Yeah, 277 00:25:11,799 --> 00:25:17,039 but I'm talking about the dogs that followed his scent for thirty miles. Yeah, 278 00:25:17,200 --> 00:25:19,279 he had to have been on foot for a lot of that for them 279 00:25:19,319 --> 00:25:23,839 to have that scent. I would think so, I would think so walked 280 00:25:23,920 --> 00:25:29,920 or drug. I mean that there would be And it always, it never 281 00:25:29,960 --> 00:25:33,759 fails that it rains in these missing person cases. What is up with that? 282 00:25:33,400 --> 00:25:38,960 Always it's like nature's way of covering up something that shouldn't have happened. 283 00:25:41,559 --> 00:25:45,759 Yeah, that's very well said. Yeah, because it watches away every cent, 284 00:25:45,559 --> 00:25:52,480 every track, every everything that could lead to the possible finding of these 285 00:25:52,519 --> 00:25:56,519 people. And a lot of these cases, we're not talking just rain like 286 00:25:56,559 --> 00:26:04,000 a summer sprinkle, a summer shower. We're talking like heavy torrential downpours, 287 00:26:04,039 --> 00:26:11,279 like unusually hard storms that come through what. I don't, I don't know. 288 00:26:11,359 --> 00:26:15,559 That's weird. It's weird. Yeah, it is very weird. And 289 00:26:15,880 --> 00:26:19,440 I know the question was posed to, well, if the parents were so 290 00:26:19,559 --> 00:26:25,119 well to do, why did they wait so long into the search to have 291 00:26:25,279 --> 00:26:30,799 these you know, you know, trained men brought from California to search, 292 00:26:32,160 --> 00:26:36,880 Why not have them come out first, but I could see, Okay, 293 00:26:37,000 --> 00:26:41,480 it's just been less than an hour since the little boy went missing. He 294 00:26:41,640 --> 00:26:45,599 clearly can't be but so far away, so they're not going to drop everything 295 00:26:45,680 --> 00:26:49,440 and call these people and say, hey, my kid's missing. Well he's 296 00:26:49,480 --> 00:26:56,839 been going less than an hour. So let's go through the normal no speculations, 297 00:26:56,920 --> 00:27:02,039 you know, first one we've talked about he just got lost, he 298 00:27:02,079 --> 00:27:07,839 stepped off trail and got disoriented and got lost. I don't that's very possible. 299 00:27:07,839 --> 00:27:12,519 It probably is what happened to begin with, but it doesn't explain why 300 00:27:14,000 --> 00:27:17,079 no sign of him was ever found or he wasn't found. So the next 301 00:27:17,079 --> 00:27:22,920 one would the abduction. We've talked about the uncle being cleared. This was 302 00:27:22,039 --> 00:27:26,640 a family owned place, thirteen thousand acres. I shouldn't have been anybody there 303 00:27:26,640 --> 00:27:30,880 but family, but no trespassing signs don't keep people out always, we know 304 00:27:32,000 --> 00:27:37,799 that. Have you given any thought to an outsider abducting him? Well, 305 00:27:37,799 --> 00:27:41,240 I mean, and I thought about it. If somebody was there that shouldn't 306 00:27:41,279 --> 00:27:47,279 have been there, maybe knew that the family was well to do. I 307 00:27:47,279 --> 00:27:49,039 mean I knew it was I know it was nineteen seventy one, but I 308 00:27:49,039 --> 00:27:52,920 mean there were still bad people in nineteen seventy one. Oh yeah, so 309 00:27:53,079 --> 00:27:57,519 maybe they could have had the idea of taking him maybe for ransom. Yeah, 310 00:27:59,400 --> 00:28:03,440 and something went wrong. I wonder if anybody considered that, because that 311 00:28:03,559 --> 00:28:08,160 has never popped into my head until you just said that. They were very 312 00:28:08,279 --> 00:28:15,000 rich people, not just the mother was part founder of a law firm, 313 00:28:15,160 --> 00:28:19,119 and then twenty years before that, her parents were wealthy enough to buy this 314 00:28:19,200 --> 00:28:25,680 thirteen thousand acre preserve just for the family, So they had money. So 315 00:28:26,200 --> 00:28:30,039 was it a case that someone got in there and took the youngest one and 316 00:28:30,160 --> 00:28:33,119 was going to ransom and ransom him off and then something happened? You killed 317 00:28:33,119 --> 00:28:37,160 the boy on accident, and oh shit, what are we going to do 318 00:28:37,240 --> 00:28:41,079 now? We can't? Right, he still would have tried, I would 319 00:28:41,119 --> 00:28:48,000 think, right, because you hear not a lot people kidnapping someone for ransom 320 00:28:48,039 --> 00:28:52,519 and then killing the kidnapped person anyway, So I don't think that would have 321 00:28:52,559 --> 00:28:57,359 stopped him. I don't know. That's interesting. It's interesting because you have 322 00:28:57,400 --> 00:29:02,119 to brainstorm and culminate all these ideas together and you know, kind of put 323 00:29:02,119 --> 00:29:06,400 yourself in that eight year old boy's shoes. But then at the same time, 324 00:29:06,839 --> 00:29:10,440 you know, I mean, you could go so many ways with this, 325 00:29:11,000 --> 00:29:15,720 as far as family relation to him missing, you know, was the 326 00:29:15,799 --> 00:29:19,960 uncle in on it, as far as wanting the money, like, I 327 00:29:21,000 --> 00:29:25,680 mean, you would have to know so many parts. I'm sure. I'm 328 00:29:25,720 --> 00:29:30,720 sure there's a lot of secrets that we don't know. Oh. Absolutely, 329 00:29:30,119 --> 00:29:37,839 absolutely. The next scenario that pops into my mind is animal attack. But 330 00:29:37,640 --> 00:29:41,880 I'm quick to roll that out because those are messy as hell, right, 331 00:29:42,440 --> 00:29:47,079 If a bear got him, I mean, it's nasty, it's terrible to 332 00:29:47,119 --> 00:29:51,839 think about, but there would be a mess. There would be parts of 333 00:29:51,839 --> 00:29:55,599 this boy all over the woods. Well, and you got to think too, 334 00:29:55,720 --> 00:30:00,519 I mean, if you wouldn't go down quiet stay tuned more paranormal odyssey. 335 00:30:07,039 --> 00:30:08,480 Yeah, I mean, he's gonna let somebody know, and if you're 336 00:30:08,519 --> 00:30:15,440 only half a mile away, you're gonna hear the animal itself, plus the 337 00:30:15,119 --> 00:30:22,559 cries out from the little boy. Yeah. Absolutely, So to that point, 338 00:30:23,000 --> 00:30:30,599 nothing was heard, No blood, no clothing, nothing like that was 339 00:30:30,640 --> 00:30:33,200 ever found. It could have been a case where he went missing, got 340 00:30:33,200 --> 00:30:37,440 off trail, and like the next day an animal could have gotten him. 341 00:30:37,880 --> 00:30:44,279 But still you would have found signs of that. I agree, yeah, 342 00:30:44,319 --> 00:30:48,960 so I think we can rule that one out. The next one, let's 343 00:30:48,000 --> 00:30:52,559 get a little weird with it, paranormal, like our show of Paranormal Odyssey. 344 00:30:53,160 --> 00:31:00,160 Everyone likes to talk about the big guy's bigfoot. Is it possible a 345 00:31:00,160 --> 00:31:03,839 bigfoot got them? I think it's one hundred percent possible. Not I don't 346 00:31:03,839 --> 00:31:07,240 think it's likely, but I think it's absolutely possible. I think it has 347 00:31:07,279 --> 00:31:11,240 to be factored in. I think it's I mean, in this case, 348 00:31:11,359 --> 00:31:18,160 everything has to be factored in, including the weird and unusual. Absolutely makes 349 00:31:18,200 --> 00:31:22,799 sense. Yeah, I mean we've all heard many, many times that these 350 00:31:22,839 --> 00:31:29,039 things are fascinated with children, that they watch them, and there's been several 351 00:31:29,079 --> 00:31:34,559 cases of kids them trying to get kids. I mean, what better possibility 352 00:31:34,559 --> 00:31:38,640 did I mean, what better opportunity did they have? They're watching this kid 353 00:31:38,680 --> 00:31:42,559 and his uncle walking and then, oh god, this is our lucky day. 354 00:31:42,599 --> 00:31:47,920 The kids walking back by itself. Now's our chance grab him. That 355 00:31:48,000 --> 00:31:52,839 would explain how his scent was thirty miles away. That that explains a lot. 356 00:31:53,039 --> 00:31:59,000 He was grabbed by some kind of predator, some kind of kryptied some 357 00:31:59,119 --> 00:32:01,640 animals something at him. And then you have to throw in like feral people. 358 00:32:04,000 --> 00:32:08,480 We've talked about that on Paranormal Odyssey, and I can't speak to New 359 00:32:08,559 --> 00:32:14,319 York. I've never been in the Adirondacks, But I mean, is that 360 00:32:14,359 --> 00:32:19,599 a part of the Appalachian Trail. If I'm not mistaken. I'm sure I'll 361 00:32:19,599 --> 00:32:22,559 be corrected if I'm wrong, but I think that it is. Yes, 362 00:32:22,160 --> 00:32:30,440 it's certainly in that direction. Weird shit happens on the Appalachian Trail, and 363 00:32:30,559 --> 00:32:35,799 we all know that. I think in this case, you have to really 364 00:32:35,960 --> 00:32:45,079 really consider big foot, feral people some kind of paranormal outside the box kind 365 00:32:45,119 --> 00:32:47,920 of explanation. Well, and look, if you look too at the case, 366 00:32:49,000 --> 00:32:53,920 there was a child that had fallen into an ape enclosure at the zoo 367 00:32:54,720 --> 00:33:04,200 and was injured, and the female ape over to the boy to pect from 368 00:33:04,319 --> 00:33:09,200 the alpha male of the group. The little boy who went missing when he 369 00:33:09,319 --> 00:33:14,000 was three, and he came back and he said, the bear took care 370 00:33:14,039 --> 00:33:17,680 of me. Yeah. Yeah, We've covered so many of these stories. 371 00:33:19,400 --> 00:33:22,440 I mean, me myself on all the missing person's cases I've been covering recently. 372 00:33:22,680 --> 00:33:30,279 Brian and I over on that Bigfoot podcast has talked about the bears protecting 373 00:33:30,400 --> 00:33:35,240 kids and people have been talking about that since like the early eighteen hundreds, 374 00:33:35,400 --> 00:33:39,240 there has been tons of reports. I believe if bigfoot is real, and 375 00:33:39,319 --> 00:33:45,960 y'all know, I believe that they're real. I believe that they have some 376 00:33:46,079 --> 00:33:51,359 compassion. There's a level of compassion and some emotions there. And I think 377 00:33:51,359 --> 00:33:57,720 it's very possible that a mother bigfoot might take one take a child under its 378 00:33:57,720 --> 00:34:01,440 wing and care for it. Right thing too, if he did step off 379 00:34:01,519 --> 00:34:07,680 the trail not paying attention to where he was going and got lost, and 380 00:34:07,720 --> 00:34:12,159 he was setting somewhere crying, you know, if a female bigfoot is around, 381 00:34:12,239 --> 00:34:15,320 she's going to hear those cries, you know, and it's going to 382 00:34:15,440 --> 00:34:20,679 draw her curiosity and bring her closer to him. And that, I mean 383 00:34:20,800 --> 00:34:22,679 an eight year old boy, I mean, that would scare the pants right 384 00:34:22,760 --> 00:34:25,480 off of him. I mean, you know, but at the same time, 385 00:34:25,559 --> 00:34:30,519 if she just scoops him up and they're gone, nobody's going to really 386 00:34:30,519 --> 00:34:36,840 hear him scream. And would he even have the wherewithal two scream? Yeah? 387 00:34:37,239 --> 00:34:42,320 Yeah, And that leads that leads you to think, well, inevitably, 388 00:34:43,000 --> 00:34:45,599 what happened if a bigfoot did get him. I mean, it's all 389 00:34:45,639 --> 00:34:51,159 speculation, you know, everything we're talking about. We're speculating because we don't 390 00:34:51,199 --> 00:34:54,440 know. It's been since seventy one, it's twenty twenty four, and this 391 00:34:54,480 --> 00:34:59,800 boy's never been seen again, so no one knows. So all are doing 392 00:34:59,840 --> 00:35:04,920 is speculating. But if this was the case in a bigfoot got him, 393 00:35:06,199 --> 00:35:10,719 what's he doing now? And what happened? Did they accidentally kill the boy? 394 00:35:10,960 --> 00:35:15,880 Right? Is he living with them up in the mountain somewhere today? 395 00:35:15,000 --> 00:35:19,519 I mean I don't know. Yeah, you never know. I mean, 396 00:35:19,639 --> 00:35:23,159 are there caves in that area? You know? With the you get a 397 00:35:23,159 --> 00:35:30,000 factor in the weather because it's going to have this torrential downpour for days. 398 00:35:30,239 --> 00:35:34,159 Looking for this poor little boy. Are their caves? Maybe they took him 399 00:35:34,159 --> 00:35:38,159 to like you said, did they accidentally you know, trying to protect him, 400 00:35:38,239 --> 00:35:43,400 get too rough with him and in his life? Or like you said, 401 00:35:44,119 --> 00:35:47,480 you know, because he would be fifty nine today, is he one 402 00:35:47,519 --> 00:35:53,079 of the feral people? I mean that's a little sideways. No, yeah, 403 00:35:53,599 --> 00:35:59,320 yeah, but it's possible, I guess. I mean, I don't 404 00:35:59,320 --> 00:36:01,880 know. Sometimes you got taking into consideration it gets very cold in New York. 405 00:36:02,920 --> 00:36:07,280 This boy was in shorts and a T shirt. He was not equipped 406 00:36:07,320 --> 00:36:14,519 to deal with this with the winters of New York. So someone had if 407 00:36:14,960 --> 00:36:19,320 if he did last any time, someone had to have been helping him and 408 00:36:19,400 --> 00:36:22,320 protecting him. I don't know. I know it sounds silly. I know 409 00:36:22,360 --> 00:36:25,480 there's going to be people out here out there that listen to this and things. 410 00:36:25,760 --> 00:36:30,559 These are two grown ass people over here talking about Bigfoot taking a kid. 411 00:36:30,639 --> 00:36:36,360 We understand how it sounds, and it can sound a bit ridiculous, 412 00:36:37,400 --> 00:36:42,000 but there's been reports people, and we're not calling everyone liars. People have 413 00:36:42,400 --> 00:36:46,199 been reporting this stuff since the eighteen hundreds. Okay, we're just talking about 414 00:36:46,599 --> 00:36:52,360 possibilities, and I think it is very possible. If you think Bigfoot is 415 00:36:52,440 --> 00:36:57,719 real, then it's very possible this kid was taken by one because they are 416 00:36:57,760 --> 00:37:01,480 definitely, by all reports, dominant in the Adirondack Mountains. I know a 417 00:37:01,480 --> 00:37:07,039 couple of researchers up there myself personally, that research that area and do very 418 00:37:07,079 --> 00:37:12,079 well. So they're up there. So again, we're not saying that this 419 00:37:12,119 --> 00:37:16,719 is what happened. We're just talking about possibilities, and again I think it's 420 00:37:16,760 --> 00:37:22,599 a it's a huge possibility. Well, we can't rule anything out at all, 421 00:37:22,119 --> 00:37:27,119 absolutely, I mean, you're gonna have people out there that that question 422 00:37:27,320 --> 00:37:30,480 is, why didn't you talk about aliens? Why why couldn't he have been 423 00:37:30,480 --> 00:37:34,800 abducted by aliens? And I guess he could have, Yeah, I mean 424 00:37:34,880 --> 00:37:39,519 aliens portals, portals bring portals into the mix if we're gonna you know, 425 00:37:40,079 --> 00:37:46,199 I don't really foresee him having been abducted by aliens because it was during the 426 00:37:46,280 --> 00:37:51,239 day, was in the middle of the afternoon. I think that would have 427 00:37:51,280 --> 00:37:57,199 been very noticeable if that would have happened. But you hear of missing people 428 00:37:57,280 --> 00:38:00,360 who are there one minute and they're gone the next, And how do you 429 00:38:00,400 --> 00:38:07,360 explain that portals are scientifically proven like it or lump it, And it's a 430 00:38:07,719 --> 00:38:14,480 major possibility that that is what happened as well. I don't know. All 431 00:38:14,519 --> 00:38:21,000 I know is this is tragic. It's absolutely heartbreaking. It was a case. 432 00:38:21,119 --> 00:38:22,920 I'm forty five years old, and this is the first time I had 433 00:38:22,960 --> 00:38:28,440 ever heard of it. It's just when I started looking in to missing people. 434 00:38:28,639 --> 00:38:32,360 Just leaves me to believe that there's a lot more out there similar circumstances. 435 00:38:32,360 --> 00:38:37,159 And I mean the one we I just covered to Jared Negretty, the 436 00:38:37,199 --> 00:38:40,119 same thing. He's walking with his scouts he was a scout and he was 437 00:38:40,159 --> 00:38:45,360 walking with them and just disappeared. He fell behind, and the boy disappeared 438 00:38:45,400 --> 00:38:50,599 and was never seen again. No remains nothing. It's there's a lot of 439 00:38:50,599 --> 00:38:53,559 similarities in these first two cases, and I don't know what to make of 440 00:38:53,599 --> 00:38:58,679 it. I don't, and unfortunately, I'm afraid that I don't think we'll 441 00:38:58,719 --> 00:39:02,920 ever know. I think in these two cases, and I'm sure cases that 442 00:39:02,960 --> 00:39:07,880 are covered in the future, we're going to find it. There are a 443 00:39:07,880 --> 00:39:14,440 lot more questions than there are answers, and that's the unfortunate part of all 444 00:39:14,480 --> 00:39:20,559 of us. I think you are one hundred percent correct, all right. 445 00:39:20,599 --> 00:39:23,960 I think that's a good place to leave this one. Again. People, 446 00:39:24,079 --> 00:39:28,280 this is a segment that we're going to be doing. Tiffany's going to be 447 00:39:28,360 --> 00:39:32,599 helping me on these because we work together on the YouTube stuff. All of 448 00:39:32,639 --> 00:39:37,199 these cases we're going to be releasing to YouTube and two podcasts. So if 449 00:39:37,239 --> 00:39:43,400 you guys have any suggestions, I've got several people on my list to look 450 00:39:43,440 --> 00:39:47,000 into that have come from some suggestions from you people, from our listeners, 451 00:39:47,000 --> 00:39:51,559 our followers, so please keep those coming in. You can get me at 452 00:39:51,599 --> 00:39:55,920 Wayne at Paranormal World Productions, or you can get Tiffany at Tiffany at Paranormal 453 00:39:57,039 --> 00:40:02,000 World Productions dot com. But guys be looking for these in the future. 454 00:40:02,639 --> 00:40:06,199 All right, you got anything before we get out of here, I don't. 455 00:40:06,360 --> 00:40:09,280 Just tune in for the next episode and it will be as thrilling as 456 00:40:09,320 --> 00:40:13,239 this one. Sounds good. All right, guys until we talk to you 457 00:40:13,360 --> 00:40:15,559 again. Y'all take care of yourself, take care of each other. 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