WEBVTT 1 00:00:05.120 --> 00:00:11.560 Hi, welcome back to give us more me I'd be megan, She'd be 2 00:00:11.679 --> 00:00:16.719 megan. How are how is everybody? How are you all feeling? So? 3 00:00:16.879 --> 00:00:25.079 I am afraid guys, we are back with good old Johnny. I 4 00:00:25.320 --> 00:00:29.800 fully thought that was just your sentence. Unfortunately I were back. No, 5 00:00:30.000 --> 00:00:35.560 unfortunately I were back with John Wayne Gacy aka Pogo the Clown a k a 6 00:00:35.719 --> 00:00:43.840 k A the killer Clown a k a a k aka an asshole. Very 7 00:00:43.880 --> 00:00:50.560 eloquently put thank you, thank you. So in the last episode, I 8 00:00:50.600 --> 00:00:54.920 went through all of his victims. There was a lot of them, and 9 00:00:55.039 --> 00:00:58.240 I know I like speed round it, but that's just because there was literally 10 00:00:58.280 --> 00:01:06.400 so many of them. We talk about how the police were finally starting to 11 00:01:07.760 --> 00:01:12.159 sniffle or something. He killed his last victim on December eleventh, nineteen seventy 12 00:01:12.200 --> 00:01:18.799 eight, and that was Robert Peacet And this is the this is the case 13 00:01:18.879 --> 00:01:23.959 that like really gets some in trouble. Good finally took long enough, it 14 00:01:23.079 --> 00:01:29.280 did it really really did. So. I had talked about Detective Cosenzach and 15 00:01:29.519 --> 00:01:36.879 how he basically was like, let's go and check out this guy's record because 16 00:01:37.120 --> 00:01:42.280 I have a funny feeling about him and he's the one that's like, something 17 00:01:42.359 --> 00:01:47.359 ain't adding up here, while all the other officers were like, probably just 18 00:01:47.480 --> 00:01:53.719 like homosexual things or something just hashtag gay things, hashtag gay things. I 19 00:01:53.719 --> 00:02:00.480 feel like there's a file in some police whole police libraries. I'm aware that 20 00:02:00.519 --> 00:02:05.480 it's just hashtag just gay things, and it has like Jeffrey Dahmer, John 21 00:02:05.480 --> 00:02:09.360 Wayne Gacy, there's like another guy that I'm currently researching. It's like them 22 00:02:09.400 --> 00:02:14.439 all, They're all there, Yeah, and it's just the name of the 23 00:02:14.680 --> 00:02:20.759 like case file is just hashtag gay things. So obviously, if you aren't 24 00:02:20.800 --> 00:02:24.199 caught up to date on our John Wayne Gacy series, go check out the 25 00:02:24.280 --> 00:02:28.400 other two episodes, and for a break check out our last episode, which 26 00:02:28.400 --> 00:02:31.120 is super duper fun. Not super tuper fun someone died, but like super 27 00:02:31.199 --> 00:02:38.520 duper fun because we were hyper ship. Yeah, so I guess don all 28 00:02:38.599 --> 00:02:44.039 of stuff, Devin. That was so cute. I did a little diving 29 00:02:44.560 --> 00:02:46.840 that again. I may cry. Oh well, and non that kids want. 30 00:02:46.879 --> 00:02:52.560 We don't want you having a mental breakdown live on podcast Nation. We 31 00:02:52.599 --> 00:02:59.680 don't want you having a mental breakdown live on this prerecorded show that we edit 32 00:03:00.680 --> 00:03:07.560 at around nine pm on December twelfth, Joe Cosenzac and a few other officers 33 00:03:07.800 --> 00:03:12.599 decided to knock on John Wayne Gacy's door to ask him to come down to 34 00:03:12.680 --> 00:03:22.599 the station for some questions. As John was the last person scene with Robert 35 00:03:22.719 --> 00:03:25.800 Peached peached. I don't know why I said it like that with Robert Peased. 36 00:03:27.439 --> 00:03:34.439 So Robert, if you remember, worked in a pharmacy and John basically 37 00:03:35.080 --> 00:03:40.560 lured him with the promise of work and then killed him. And but like 38 00:03:42.400 --> 00:03:46.360 the pharmacy was in a local area, so like people saw him leave with 39 00:03:46.319 --> 00:03:50.360 wasn't it his mother's birthday? His mother was like waiting on him. Yeah. 40 00:03:50.400 --> 00:03:52.719 Yeah, his mother was waiting on him, and she went in being 41 00:03:52.800 --> 00:03:57.479 like, where the fucks my son? He finished like twenty minutes ago, 42 00:03:57.479 --> 00:03:59.879 hasn't comined to me? Year, half hour ago, whatever it was. 43 00:04:00.439 --> 00:04:02.280 And then they're like, oh, he is he not out there because he 44 00:04:02.439 --> 00:04:08.919 went out talking to some dude. So for a woman, I know. 45 00:04:09.080 --> 00:04:15.000 Yeah, So Detective Joe Cosensach was like, let's go knock on his door, 46 00:04:15.120 --> 00:04:20.519 get him down to the police station. John became very annoyed and claimed 47 00:04:20.560 --> 00:04:25.000 that he had to stay at home because he was awaiting a phone call from 48 00:04:25.040 --> 00:04:30.160 his mother. As his uncle had just passed away. The police explained that 49 00:04:30.199 --> 00:04:33.839 they wanted to talk to him in regards to a missing teenager and if he 50 00:04:33.879 --> 00:04:40.360 could either call his mother like now, like, can you call your Can 51 00:04:40.439 --> 00:04:44.519 you call your mom now to get the information you need and then come with 52 00:04:44.600 --> 00:04:46.879 us to the police station, or why don't you just call her when you 53 00:04:46.920 --> 00:04:51.720 get back from the police station. Logical critical thinking happening here? Oh no, 54 00:04:51.839 --> 00:04:58.160 Well, this was just infuriating to John, and he accused Detective Cosensach 55 00:04:58.319 --> 00:05:02.879 of quote having no respect for the dead coming from the man, Oh my 56 00:05:03.040 --> 00:05:11.040 god, literally coming from the man that murdered like multiple and had them in 57 00:05:11.120 --> 00:05:15.839 his crawl space in his home on top of one another. Oh my word, 58 00:05:15.639 --> 00:05:20.439 no words, actually there are no my words for that pot calling kettle 59 00:05:20.519 --> 00:05:24.040 black. I see, Like I mean, you just have to like the 60 00:05:24.120 --> 00:05:30.399 audacity. The police eventually, after like a back and forth, agreed to 61 00:05:30.600 --> 00:05:33.160 let John wait for his phone call and then he was to go down to 62 00:05:33.240 --> 00:05:40.160 the police station straight away. While the police were at John's home, Robert's 63 00:05:40.199 --> 00:05:44.920 body was up in the attic. He hadn't had time to dispose of the 64 00:05:44.920 --> 00:05:47.959 body yet because Robert's mother was basically on the ball and was like, no, 65 00:05:48.079 --> 00:05:54.920 my son doesn't do this. So like yeah, because said everybody else 66 00:05:55.000 --> 00:05:57.879 was like a runaway or something, and she was like no way, Jose. 67 00:05:58.560 --> 00:06:02.680 Yeah. See this is what John's downfall was. Most of his victims 68 00:06:02.720 --> 00:06:09.920 they either weren't from the area, like they were just visiting, or they 69 00:06:09.959 --> 00:06:14.319 were like runaways or like I hate to say it, but you know, 70 00:06:14.399 --> 00:06:18.600 from like a poor community, so it kind of community. So like police 71 00:06:18.600 --> 00:06:25.000 were like, they probably just run away, where like his mother was a 72 00:06:25.160 --> 00:06:28.680 very much like they weren't. I don't well, I don't know if they're 73 00:06:28.680 --> 00:06:30.319 like class or anything, but they were like no, no, no, 74 00:06:30.399 --> 00:06:34.399 this is not my son. Yeah, Like he got good grades in school, 75 00:06:34.480 --> 00:06:39.319 He came to work every day, came home from work every day like 76 00:06:41.120 --> 00:06:45.439 like completely like something has happened to him. So police were like, we 77 00:06:45.519 --> 00:06:50.800 better investigate this one m or better investigate. Oh you're a family with money, 78 00:06:50.879 --> 00:06:55.199 you will investigate for you. Yeah, we might actually do our jobs. 79 00:06:55.720 --> 00:06:59.959 Would you believe? Can you believe that? Can you believe that? 80 00:07:00.519 --> 00:07:03.279 At eleven pm that night, John rang the police station to ask if they 81 00:07:03.319 --> 00:07:10.519 still needed him to come in for questioning, to which the police informed him 82 00:07:10.639 --> 00:07:14.319 like yeah, like can you not get down here asap? Like, dude, 83 00:07:14.360 --> 00:07:17.279 you cannot still be winning on that football. John told the police that 84 00:07:17.319 --> 00:07:20.600 he was going to be a half hour and then he would be right there. 85 00:07:23.199 --> 00:07:27.040 John then took Robert's body down from the attic, put it into the 86 00:07:27.040 --> 00:07:30.759 boot of his car. He drove to the des Plains River and he disposed 87 00:07:30.759 --> 00:07:36.920 of Robert's body in the river. He then drove to the police station with 88 00:07:38.079 --> 00:07:43.120 his car completely full of muck because he like parked on the banks of the 89 00:07:43.240 --> 00:07:47.680 river. I actually believe he got stuck at one point and like someone had 90 00:07:47.680 --> 00:07:53.680 to like help him get out. He arrived at the police station at around 91 00:07:53.839 --> 00:08:05.399 three am looking for Detective Cosenzac. Detective Cosenzachison John literally he was obviously told 92 00:08:05.439 --> 00:08:07.480 that he'd have to go, that he'd have to come back in the morning, 93 00:08:07.560 --> 00:08:13.680 as Cosenzack naturally had gone home because it was three am. HM. 94 00:08:15.759 --> 00:08:20.279 At nine am the following morning, John came down to the station to finally 95 00:08:20.319 --> 00:08:26.439 answer the police's questions. John denied that he knew Robert and said that he 96 00:08:26.600 --> 00:08:31.360 just offered him a job, and Robert denied the offer, so he went 97 00:08:31.399 --> 00:08:33.919 home. Oh okay, yeah, because it's cool. Yeah, that's what 98 00:08:35.000 --> 00:08:39.159 normal people do. And I say that like it does sense sarcastic but genuinely. 99 00:08:39.960 --> 00:08:45.080 Detective Cosenzach had ordered a background check on John and some of the other 100 00:08:45.159 --> 00:08:48.919 suspects as well, like his whole focus was not just on John, but 101 00:08:50.000 --> 00:08:54.360 he had a strong feeling about John. When he got John's back, he 102 00:08:54.399 --> 00:08:58.120 went to the judge straight away and asked for a warrant for to search John's 103 00:08:58.120 --> 00:09:05.159 house because obviously he saw like all the arrest records and his prison time and 104 00:09:05.200 --> 00:09:07.679 stuff like that, and was like, ah, hell yeah, this is 105 00:09:07.720 --> 00:09:13.879 my guy, Judge Marvin J. Peters. It's very upset. It wasn't 106 00:09:13.879 --> 00:09:18.240 Marvin Gay. Yeah, it was very close. He granted a warrant. 107 00:09:18.320 --> 00:09:22.360 On December thirteenth, nineteen seventy eight, the police began the search on John's 108 00:09:22.360 --> 00:09:26.720 home and a neighbor saw what was going on and came over and was like, 109 00:09:26.840 --> 00:09:33.480 why are you searching like John Gacy's house. Obviously the police were like, 110 00:09:33.799 --> 00:09:39.159 we can't discuss an ongoing investigation. You know, we're just searching the 111 00:09:39.200 --> 00:09:43.960 home. Nothing to be concerned about, kind citizen, please get on your 112 00:09:45.080 --> 00:09:52.159 very merry way. And the neighbor then tells the police quote, just so 113 00:09:52.320 --> 00:09:56.159 you know there is an attic and a cross base in these houses. Oh 114 00:09:56.240 --> 00:10:01.080 my god. Yes, he was like, just so you're where. I 115 00:10:01.120 --> 00:10:03.799 loved that. Yeah. He was like, look, listen, I don't 116 00:10:03.799 --> 00:10:05.000 know what you're looking for, but there seems to be a lot of you 117 00:10:05.080 --> 00:10:07.919 here, so it must be serious. And in case you were unaware, 118 00:10:09.679 --> 00:10:15.480 like because the houses like looks like a bungalow m. So it's like, 119 00:10:15.639 --> 00:10:18.559 just so you know, there is an attic anne gral space and they were 120 00:10:18.639 --> 00:10:24.240 like, thank you, sir. Police took into evidence his PDM work fan 121 00:10:26.320 --> 00:10:30.840 and his nineteen seventy eight pickup truck, which was also used as a work 122 00:10:30.919 --> 00:10:37.080 vehicle. They also found a rugue that had suspicious stains on it. It 123 00:10:37.159 --> 00:10:39.600 had been cleaned, but you could see that the stains like had leaked through 124 00:10:39.639 --> 00:10:43.679 the rugue onto like the wooden floor and stuff. So they were like, 125 00:10:45.200 --> 00:10:50.120 just don't take this. And then this is when they were like, ah, 126 00:10:50.240 --> 00:10:54.840 yeah, he's our guy. They also took sorry, it's like you 127 00:10:54.879 --> 00:11:00.000 should have been a RECIPRCT then and there. They also took underwear that didn't 128 00:11:00.080 --> 00:11:05.039 seemed to appear to belong to John. They took photos of drug stores and 129 00:11:05.120 --> 00:11:11.080 address book, A dozen books which included Sex between Men and Boys, Pedistry, 130 00:11:13.000 --> 00:11:20.279 Bike Boy twenty one, A Normal, Sex Cases, Tight Teenagers, 131 00:11:18.440 --> 00:11:28.840 The American Bicentenial Gay Guide, and Pretty Boys Must Die. Those were those 132 00:11:28.879 --> 00:11:33.559 were some of the titles of the books that they confiscated. They also confiscated 133 00:11:33.840 --> 00:11:41.559 seven pornographic movies, a hypodermic needle, a syringe, weed and rolling papers. 134 00:11:41.720 --> 00:11:46.159 Bottles of pills which included valium, a scale, a switchblade, a 135 00:11:46.279 --> 00:11:52.320 pistol, handcuffs with the set of keys, nylon rope thirty nine inch two 136 00:11:52.360 --> 00:11:58.879 by fours that had holes drilled in it, driver's licenses that belonged to sever 137 00:12:00.080 --> 00:12:05.399 all different people, a high school class ring with the initials j as engraved 138 00:12:05.480 --> 00:12:11.320 on it, and a receipt from the pharmacy that Robert worked at, which 139 00:12:11.360 --> 00:12:18.279 had come from Robert's own pocket. You had to be five finger fucking me 140 00:12:18.399 --> 00:12:22.639 right now. They didn't arrest him. Oh my lord, I am oh, 141 00:12:22.679 --> 00:12:26.799 are you trying to seduce me? But they didn't arrest him right there 142 00:12:26.840 --> 00:12:31.759 and then no, they didn't like, not even for the like the child 143 00:12:31.799 --> 00:12:37.759 pornography. No, they're like, oh, this seems okay. Police found 144 00:12:37.799 --> 00:12:45.360 hairs in John's vehicles that had been taken. They used cadaver dogs and the 145 00:12:45.559 --> 00:12:48.919 Oldsmobile, which I won't lie. I don't know what the fucking oldsmobile is. 146 00:12:48.000 --> 00:12:54.480 Okay, it reminds me of the Popemobile. Probably. I was just 147 00:12:54.559 --> 00:12:58.399 like, what the fox an Oldsmobile and was just like, right, okay, 148 00:12:58.480 --> 00:13:01.480 I don't even care. There's just so much going on in my head 149 00:13:01.600 --> 00:13:07.000 right now. Oh, it's just like a classic car boring. So they 150 00:13:07.080 --> 00:13:11.039 found hairs in that and they used cadaver dogs on it, and this proved 151 00:13:11.120 --> 00:13:16.320 that Robert had been in John's care. The police were also able to confirm 152 00:13:16.480 --> 00:13:22.799 that the receipt they found in John's house had come from Robert's pocket, because 153 00:13:22.399 --> 00:13:30.720 Robert's friend from work had borrowed his jacket and she was the one that put 154 00:13:30.799 --> 00:13:35.480 the receipt in the coat pocket and then she obviously like forgot about the receipt. 155 00:13:35.519 --> 00:13:39.440 So like in the pharmacy, there was like a photo you know, 156 00:13:39.519 --> 00:13:41.519 where you could print your photos, and that it was a receipt for it 157 00:13:41.720 --> 00:13:46.919 was a customer's receipt and she had because it was in December, was cold, 158 00:13:48.039 --> 00:13:52.240 she borrowed his coat and she just put the receipt in her pocket while 159 00:13:52.240 --> 00:13:56.320 she was like getting the customer's photos ready, and then he needed his coat, 160 00:13:56.360 --> 00:14:01.960 so she gave it back to him, and that's how they were able 161 00:14:01.000 --> 00:14:07.200 to know that it was definitely Robert's receipt. So yeah, the police took 162 00:14:07.240 --> 00:14:11.000 their time to build their case, and this is why he wasn't arrested then 163 00:14:11.039 --> 00:14:13.639 and there. I mean, it was all for the greater good, but 164 00:14:13.679 --> 00:14:18.519 at the same time very frustrating, literally in possession of trial pornography, and 165 00:14:18.600 --> 00:14:24.279 I think that that immediately, I do agree, but it was for the 166 00:14:24.320 --> 00:14:28.559 greater good. It was for the greater good. So before I dive right 167 00:14:28.600 --> 00:14:31.799 in, we will take a quick ad break and we are back from our 168 00:14:31.840 --> 00:14:37.720 ad Listen, I know we all want the police to just be like, 169 00:14:39.000 --> 00:14:41.879 yes, we do want them to say, gotcha, sucker. They waited 170 00:14:41.919 --> 00:14:46.720 a little while and they build a little casey case. Police then started to 171 00:14:46.799 --> 00:14:52.879 question anyone and everyone who knew John. Most of them only had pleasant things 172 00:14:52.879 --> 00:14:56.720 to say about him because he was a beloved member of the community at the 173 00:14:56.759 --> 00:15:01.679 time. I mean, of course he's a fucking yeah, like he does 174 00:15:01.720 --> 00:15:05.080 like children's parties and shit, and like he even went to like children's hospitals 175 00:15:05.200 --> 00:15:11.279 dressed as pogom and yeah, like it's nasty. Police began a twenty four 176 00:15:11.360 --> 00:15:16.960 hour surveillance on John. They also made it known that they were watching him. 177 00:15:18.039 --> 00:15:22.919 John was telling everyone that the police were harassing him, that like, 178 00:15:22.120 --> 00:15:26.720 oh, some teenager went missing and they're just trying to pin it on me 179 00:15:26.759 --> 00:15:31.919 because it's easy for them, Like what a stupid lie, because he totally 180 00:15:31.919 --> 00:15:33.399 could have just been like, oh, they found it. I had some 181 00:15:33.639 --> 00:15:37.600 like weed, some drugs. Like people would have been like, ah, 182 00:15:37.679 --> 00:15:43.480 hey, oh are we up, like yeah, but for him to straight 183 00:15:43.559 --> 00:15:46.159 up just be like, oh teenager would mist and then they think I'm good 184 00:15:46.159 --> 00:15:50.440 for it. People are obviously going to be like are you are you good 185 00:15:50.519 --> 00:15:58.159 here? John then hired his friend Sam Amarati as his defense lawyer, well 186 00:15:58.159 --> 00:16:00.759 like as his lawyer, not his defense lawyer, yeah, but as his 187 00:16:00.840 --> 00:16:06.559 lawyer, and they decided to file a civil suit against the dead Planes the 188 00:16:06.639 --> 00:16:11.879 police police department, saying that they were causing John emotional and mental anguish and 189 00:16:11.039 --> 00:16:18.000 loss of reputation in the community, deprivation of his liability liberties, and loss 190 00:16:18.000 --> 00:16:25.039 of his personal properties because he was still missing his vehicles. Now I just 191 00:16:25.039 --> 00:16:29.039 want to say, we're not gonna hate on Sam Amaratti, okay, because 192 00:16:29.559 --> 00:16:32.360 John went to him and was like, I need a lawyer. They think 193 00:16:32.399 --> 00:16:37.000 I've killed some kid, and they won't leave me alone. They're like harassing 194 00:16:37.039 --> 00:16:40.639 me. And as a lawyer, he was like, did you do it? 195 00:16:41.240 --> 00:16:44.360 And he was like, absolutely fucking not. Did I do it? 196 00:16:44.399 --> 00:16:47.399 Like I didn't my shy blah blah blah. And he was like, right, 197 00:16:47.519 --> 00:16:51.000 I didn't, my shite, John Wayne, like I didn't mind get 198 00:16:51.039 --> 00:16:56.799 out of that garden? Where did you get out of it? Jane? 199 00:16:56.120 --> 00:17:02.879 And he Sam Amaratti was like okay, okay, And then when he finds 200 00:17:02.879 --> 00:17:07.119 out that he does do it, he's like, oh my god. So 201 00:17:07.359 --> 00:17:11.359 we won't shit on him because he's actually a nice guy. Okay, poor 202 00:17:11.400 --> 00:17:15.119 Sam Sam. He's just an innocent lawyer in all of it. There's no 203 00:17:15.200 --> 00:17:21.000 such a thing as an innocent lawyer. I was just gonna say, kidding 204 00:17:21.359 --> 00:17:23.200 all the lawyers out there, I love you so much, so please help 205 00:17:23.240 --> 00:17:26.839 me. If I ever get into trouble with the law, I will be 206 00:17:26.880 --> 00:17:34.400 calling you and you will forget that I ever said that the civil suit was 207 00:17:34.480 --> 00:17:41.759 for our whopping seven hundred and fifty thousand dollars. Oh how much of that 208 00:17:41.880 --> 00:17:47.559 was for the child porn? So John knew obviously that he was being followed, 209 00:17:47.680 --> 00:17:51.720 so he began to drive around aimlessly just so that the police would have 210 00:17:51.759 --> 00:17:55.079 to follow him, and it was just to piss them off, like it 211 00:17:55.119 --> 00:18:00.680 was just to waste their time. He would also take photos of them while 212 00:18:00.720 --> 00:18:04.599 they were parked outside his house, and he would say incriminating things to them, 213 00:18:04.720 --> 00:18:11.160 but in a joke like manner, so he could actually never be arrested 214 00:18:11.200 --> 00:18:17.480 because it wasn't a confession. Is he trying to, like mob boss intimidate 215 00:18:17.559 --> 00:18:22.920 the police? Yes he is. He is? He really trin You're like 216 00:18:25.640 --> 00:18:29.319 you literally have a clown suit hanging in your wardrobe, sir, what's your 217 00:18:29.319 --> 00:18:33.480 fucking tone when you speak to me? What you fucking meant? And you're 218 00:18:33.480 --> 00:18:37.279 gonna try mob pass the police? All right now? No? No, 219 00:18:38.720 --> 00:18:45.359 So he would say things like quote, you know clients can get away with 220 00:18:45.480 --> 00:18:49.920 murder what so like it's not like that, so like it's not a confession, 221 00:18:51.359 --> 00:18:52.720 but it's also like not funny. I feel like he was a really 222 00:18:52.759 --> 00:18:57.839 bad clown. That's not a funny thing to say. Your clown skills need 223 00:18:57.839 --> 00:19:03.559 work. Jam okay, okay, BC what I mean, Like it's not 224 00:19:03.599 --> 00:19:07.039 a confession, so they can't arrest him on it because like that one hold 225 00:19:07.119 --> 00:19:10.599 up in court, do you know what I mean? But like I can 226 00:19:10.640 --> 00:19:12.680 see him like in an old movie, you know what I mean, like 227 00:19:14.039 --> 00:19:17.839 walking up all jovial to the police car, like putting his hand on the 228 00:19:17.920 --> 00:19:22.720 side, leaning down, did you know Clemson get away with murder? And 229 00:19:22.720 --> 00:19:25.359 then he taps the side of the police car and he just walks away all 230 00:19:25.400 --> 00:19:30.680 jovial. He would often invite the police in for lunch, which one time 231 00:19:30.240 --> 00:19:36.440 he invited Detective Robert Schultz and his partner in for breakfast and they were like, 232 00:19:36.640 --> 00:19:40.240 sure, you'll go in. It meant that they could have a look 233 00:19:40.240 --> 00:19:45.519 around the house because they were invited in. Oh my, so John literally 234 00:19:45.599 --> 00:19:51.400 mob bossed his way because he goes to the sun pretty much. Yeah, 235 00:19:52.240 --> 00:19:57.160 so they were like sure thing. It's almost like BTK when he's like, 236 00:19:57.839 --> 00:20:03.640 can you trace this flock? We just send it to you, no way, 237 00:20:03.839 --> 00:20:08.119 what do you know? Trusable? And then he's like, don't lie 238 00:20:08.200 --> 00:20:14.960 and they're like, oh, we would never don't lie. Did you really 239 00:20:15.000 --> 00:20:18.960 think that was gonna work? Dennis? Dennis did you really think that was 240 00:20:18.960 --> 00:20:22.920 gonna work. Lies, What did we want there? I know? Yeah. 241 00:20:22.920 --> 00:20:26.440 Well, John's not much better because he's like, hey, detective policemen, 242 00:20:27.079 --> 00:20:30.799 do you want to come into my house that has like purty dead bodies 243 00:20:30.839 --> 00:20:37.440 in it and smells completely, absolutely fucking rancid and have lunch with me? 244 00:20:38.200 --> 00:20:45.480 It's stir Friday. They're like, this guy's a fucking moroun. So if 245 00:20:45.519 --> 00:20:49.200 they get into the house for stir Friday, I don't know what day it 246 00:20:49.240 --> 00:20:53.400 was, Guys, don't take that for They get into the house and Robert's 247 00:20:53.440 --> 00:20:57.240 like, hey, can I use your bathroom? He's like, yeah, 248 00:20:57.279 --> 00:21:02.240 of course, blood blood, black, and he is in the toilet. 249 00:21:02.240 --> 00:21:06.000 He's in the bathroom, and the heating for the house comes on, and 250 00:21:06.240 --> 00:21:11.759 Robert said it was undeniably blasting the smell of rotten flesh around the house. 251 00:21:12.359 --> 00:21:17.720 Then, on December twentieth, nineteen seventy eight, in the middle of the 252 00:21:17.880 --> 00:21:25.440 night, John drove to his lawyer's office, Officer Mike Albert and Dave Hackmeister. 253 00:21:26.200 --> 00:21:30.279 Hackmeister Hackmeister obviously followed him because he was being watched twenty four seven, 254 00:21:30.960 --> 00:21:41.079 and they waited outside of sam Amati's office building John was clearly very drunk as 255 00:21:41.079 --> 00:21:45.240 he was staggering into the office. He told his lawyer Sam that he needed 256 00:21:45.240 --> 00:21:49.599 a drink, so Sam poured him a whiskey while asking what John wanted to 257 00:21:49.640 --> 00:21:53.119 talk about. John picked up the newspaper on the table, which had a 258 00:21:53.160 --> 00:21:56.799 picture of Robert peaced, and shouted, quote, this boy is dead. 259 00:21:57.200 --> 00:22:02.359 He is dead. He's in the river. Oh. John then proceeded to 260 00:22:02.400 --> 00:22:07.319 admit everything to Sam. He told Sam he had been quote the judge, 261 00:22:07.480 --> 00:22:15.279 jury and executioner of what he described as quote male prostitutes, hustlers and liars. 262 00:22:15.640 --> 00:22:18.359 My eyes literally rolled so far back in my head I saw at the 263 00:22:18.359 --> 00:22:23.640 back of my own school. He also said that he often quote awoken to 264 00:22:23.759 --> 00:22:30.880 dead strangled kids on his floor. Sam immediately organized a psychiatric appointment for the 265 00:22:30.920 --> 00:22:37.440 following morning because he was like, first of all, he just went straight 266 00:22:37.440 --> 00:22:41.559 into panic mode. He was like, what the fuck am I supposed to 267 00:22:41.599 --> 00:22:47.000 do with this information? Because he is officially John's lawyer. He waited for 268 00:22:47.119 --> 00:22:49.839 John to pass out, and then he ran down to the police officer, 269 00:22:51.160 --> 00:22:55.960 to the police officers waiting outside the building and begged them to not let John 270 00:22:56.039 --> 00:22:59.880 drive off or leave quote don't let Jasey leave, block his car in, 271 00:23:00.119 --> 00:23:03.400 do anything you can to stop him from leaving if he tries. He never 272 00:23:03.440 --> 00:23:10.039 broke client confidentiality. He just begged them to help keep John in the building. 273 00:23:11.720 --> 00:23:15.240 The next morning, John woke up, he wouldn't listen to Sam, 274 00:23:15.279 --> 00:23:18.839 and he refused to stay in the office, telling Sam, I've things to 275 00:23:18.920 --> 00:23:25.160 do. The police didn't stop him from leaving because they technically couldn't because they 276 00:23:25.200 --> 00:23:32.000 had no good reason to because Sam couldn't break client confidentiality. But I feel 277 00:23:32.480 --> 00:23:34.680 like you could have been like sly about it, Like you could have parked 278 00:23:34.720 --> 00:23:37.400 the car in front of his care and then been like, oh, that's 279 00:23:37.480 --> 00:23:42.240 my keys. Oh what can you do? Yeah. The police did follow 280 00:23:42.319 --> 00:23:47.000 him though, like they still followed him. They still were on his trail. 281 00:23:47.759 --> 00:23:51.119 John drove to a gas station and while he was filling up his tank, 282 00:23:51.200 --> 00:23:53.599 he sold a small bag of weed in front of the two officers to 283 00:23:53.920 --> 00:23:59.680 a minor. So the police call this in and they're like, what do 284 00:23:59.759 --> 00:24:03.000 we do? But Detective cos and Zach knew that he was close. He 285 00:24:03.200 --> 00:24:08.200 knew he was close, so he was like, if you arrest him for 286 00:24:08.240 --> 00:24:15.920 this, that's our only chance to catch him. Yeah, so he was 287 00:24:15.960 --> 00:24:18.839 like, dumped, just yet, give me, you know, just stay 288 00:24:18.880 --> 00:24:23.480 on his trail, keep up with them, but just and let me work 289 00:24:23.480 --> 00:24:30.799 out the finer details. So that's what they do, which I'm sure was 290 00:24:30.880 --> 00:24:34.960 very hard for them, because like, he's literally sold weed to a minor. 291 00:24:36.079 --> 00:24:40.519 But police then followed him back to his house, where he got his 292 00:24:40.640 --> 00:24:45.160 dogs. He gave them to his neighbor, telling his neighbor that his dogs 293 00:24:45.160 --> 00:24:48.599 don't like to be home alone and that he's just too busy right now, 294 00:24:48.839 --> 00:24:55.200 right now to care for them as police are trying to pin something on him. 295 00:24:55.279 --> 00:24:57.880 The next day, he drove to his friend's house, telling his friends, 296 00:24:57.960 --> 00:25:02.839 I've been a bad bo. He then tried to say the police are 297 00:25:02.880 --> 00:25:07.400 trying to pin a murder on him. So his friend naturally like a question 298 00:25:07.559 --> 00:25:11.599 about this and was like, what do you mean? But this actually only 299 00:25:12.000 --> 00:25:17.680 infuriated John, so he decided to leave. I've been a bad boy. 300 00:25:18.039 --> 00:25:21.920 The police are trying to pin a murder on me? What do you mean? 301 00:25:22.400 --> 00:25:26.200 How dare you fucking ask me that? Fucking rude? You don't know 302 00:25:26.279 --> 00:25:29.440 the troubles I've been through right now, okay, and I just don't nate 303 00:25:29.480 --> 00:25:33.039 that kind of negative, negative energy around me. I just lost my two 304 00:25:33.119 --> 00:25:41.319 dogs to my neighbor because I gave him to them. But the point. 305 00:25:41.440 --> 00:25:47.799 But that's not the point. So his friend is like questioning some more, 306 00:25:48.079 --> 00:25:52.720 you know, and is like, I thought you wanted to tell me something, 307 00:25:52.759 --> 00:25:55.240 Like I felt like you were going to tell me something, right, 308 00:25:56.200 --> 00:25:59.559 I thought we were having a moment here. Yeah, he says this, 309 00:25:59.759 --> 00:26:03.799 like as John's leaving the house. So John walked back up the driveway, 310 00:26:04.400 --> 00:26:11.240 got like like close to his friend and was like, I've killed pretty people, 311 00:26:11.519 --> 00:26:18.160 give or take a few, and then walks away. Oh okay, 312 00:26:19.880 --> 00:26:26.359 so right. His friend is like stood there like what what? Because I 313 00:26:26.440 --> 00:26:29.319 mean, I won't lie. If like that was you, I'd be like 314 00:26:29.799 --> 00:26:32.920 really did you just say that? Do you know what I mean? Like, 315 00:26:33.079 --> 00:26:34.839 yeah, no, I know you'd be like you'd be stood in shock, 316 00:26:34.960 --> 00:26:37.759 especially after he's just been like, oh, the police are accusing me 317 00:26:38.400 --> 00:26:44.839 of doing something. So when you have Whilst the friend is like stood there 318 00:26:44.880 --> 00:26:48.880 being like what the fuck? John actually gets in his car and he drives 319 00:26:48.920 --> 00:26:52.839 off, and so naturally the police follow him, so he has no time 320 00:26:52.880 --> 00:26:56.319 to like be like no, come back, Yeah, I have information. 321 00:26:57.000 --> 00:27:03.359 So he leaves his friend's house fully about ten fifty five am, and he 322 00:27:03.440 --> 00:27:07.559 goes to the house of his employees, Michael Rossi and David Kram. He 323 00:27:07.759 --> 00:27:11.920 told them like, glad you could make it. This is the last time 324 00:27:12.000 --> 00:27:15.000 you'll ever see me. Like, let's hang out, let's have a day 325 00:27:15.039 --> 00:27:18.640 together, because you won't see me again after this. And basically what's happening 326 00:27:19.920 --> 00:27:26.279 is John realizes he don't fucked up. He's told too many people now that 327 00:27:26.799 --> 00:27:33.880 he's killed people, and so he's like, oh shit, I mean one, 328 00:27:33.880 --> 00:27:37.319 I was gonna say, one person to tell is too many. But 329 00:27:37.359 --> 00:27:40.440 then at the same time, you should like not even people in the first 330 00:27:40.440 --> 00:27:45.359 place. Maybe just don't have murdered people in your house to have to tell 331 00:27:45.400 --> 00:27:49.680 people about. Yeah, that shouldn't be a thing. Ever, he guys, 332 00:27:49.880 --> 00:27:56.599 just don't, just don't. They Around eleven thirty am, all come 333 00:27:56.640 --> 00:28:03.039 outside and John went up to the police that were following him and we're like, 334 00:28:03.240 --> 00:28:07.440 listen, David was just going to draft me to a little restaurant and 335 00:28:07.640 --> 00:28:11.839 it's gonna have a little food. Let go, And the police are like, 336 00:28:12.119 --> 00:28:18.119 okay, right, all right, all right. So they go to 337 00:28:18.200 --> 00:28:22.559 a restaurant. They pull up outside the restaurant and David gets out of the 338 00:28:22.599 --> 00:28:26.400 car and he tells the police officers that John wants to go to the graveyard 339 00:28:26.480 --> 00:28:32.799 to say goodbye to his father. The officers this sets off the iron bells. 340 00:28:32.839 --> 00:28:36.960 They're like, he's gone. He's gonna kill himself. He's gearing up 341 00:28:37.000 --> 00:28:42.240 to kill himself. He gave his dogs away, he was at well, 342 00:28:42.279 --> 00:28:45.799 they don't know he's told his friend, but they're like, he's gave his 343 00:28:45.839 --> 00:28:48.599 dog away. He visited his friend. Now he's visiting two more people that 344 00:28:48.680 --> 00:28:52.720 work for him, and now he wants to go visit his dad's grave. 345 00:28:52.839 --> 00:29:02.680 Like he is gearing up to kill himself. So they warn David, like, 346 00:29:02.960 --> 00:29:07.119 don't take him to the graveyard, you know. They're like, he's 347 00:29:07.160 --> 00:29:10.799 gonna please if you take him there. We just feel like something bad's going 348 00:29:10.880 --> 00:29:14.720 to happen. But David ignores the police's concerns. He gets back in the 349 00:29:14.759 --> 00:29:17.799 car and he pulled. He proceeds to pull out of the parking lot, 350 00:29:18.480 --> 00:29:23.160 but the police immediately pulled him over. He was pulled over by dez Planes 351 00:29:23.200 --> 00:29:30.559 Police Department, Cook County Police Department, an Illinois police department, because John's 352 00:29:30.599 --> 00:29:37.799 friend had called nine one one about John confessing two murdering thirty plus people and 353 00:29:37.920 --> 00:29:44.039 for selling minor drove for selling a minor weed. I wrote that, so 354 00:29:44.119 --> 00:29:51.599 weirdly are confessing about murdering thirty plus people and for selling weed to a miner. 355 00:29:52.559 --> 00:29:56.519 Oh, there's so much going on, like break it down for y'all. 356 00:29:57.480 --> 00:30:03.319 We have the two police officer that have been following John the last two 357 00:30:03.400 --> 00:30:07.359 days and they've witnessed him sell the weed and they're like, what will we 358 00:30:07.440 --> 00:30:11.640 do? And the detective cos and Sacks like leave it, Wilby. Whilst 359 00:30:11.640 --> 00:30:17.759 they're followed, obviously they don't know the conversations he's having with all his friends 360 00:30:17.759 --> 00:30:22.559 that he's going to visit. But he confessed to his friend, I've killed 361 00:30:22.559 --> 00:30:26.079 thirty people, give or take. And his friend is like, what the 362 00:30:26.200 --> 00:30:30.480 fuck? And then John drives off and the police officers follow him and the 363 00:30:30.559 --> 00:30:33.599 friend is like, oh shit, I should have stopped those police officers. 364 00:30:34.799 --> 00:30:41.200 Whilst the two police officers are following John with his two employees, concerned that 365 00:30:41.319 --> 00:30:48.319 John's going to kill himself, the friend is like, hello, John Wayne 366 00:30:48.319 --> 00:30:52.599 Gacy just confessed to me that he killed thirty people, give or take. 367 00:30:52.680 --> 00:31:00.599 Yeah, good, And they're like got up and because of where the so 368 00:31:00.799 --> 00:31:06.799 he's like, then the two police officers are like or like they get the 369 00:31:06.839 --> 00:31:10.640 phone call from Cosim back and he's like, pull him over. So they 370 00:31:10.680 --> 00:31:15.599 pulled him over on the account of selling the weed. And then because of 371 00:31:15.599 --> 00:31:22.880 where the murders have taken place, Cook County Police Department and Illinois Police Department 372 00:31:22.319 --> 00:31:29.599 also arrive at the scene to arrest him. Because they're like, you've murdered 373 00:31:29.599 --> 00:31:34.319 in several counties. They came together like the fucking Avengers to get him. 374 00:31:34.599 --> 00:31:40.079 Yep, too bad they didn't do this sooner and like ignored one another. 375 00:31:41.160 --> 00:31:42.799 But it's okay. They did it. In the end. They got there, 376 00:31:42.920 --> 00:31:48.000 We got there, We got there. They held him on bail for 377 00:31:48.359 --> 00:31:55.039 one thousand dollars for possession of a controlled substance. The police then warned John 378 00:31:55.119 --> 00:31:59.119 that they were going to rip up his floorboards to look for Robert Peast because 379 00:31:59.160 --> 00:32:05.720 they still believed at Robert Peast is in John's house. John told them that 380 00:32:05.799 --> 00:32:09.880 there was the body of a guy he had killed in self defense buried under 381 00:32:09.920 --> 00:32:15.880 his garage, which was his attempt of stopping them from taking up his floorboards. 382 00:32:17.559 --> 00:32:21.680 Listen, you won't find Robert Peace there, but you gotta find the 383 00:32:21.720 --> 00:32:25.440 body some guy I killed way back when in self defense, okay, and 384 00:32:25.480 --> 00:32:30.359 that was remember the guy that was making him breakfast. Yes, the guy 385 00:32:30.400 --> 00:32:34.720 that was just trying to be sweet and make him breakfast. He killed him 386 00:32:34.720 --> 00:32:40.960 in self defense. John, Honestly, you did you really think telling them 387 00:32:42.000 --> 00:32:45.359 that it's not the body of Robert Peas, but it's another guy's body would 388 00:32:45.400 --> 00:32:51.279 stop them from tearing up your floorboards after your friends just called nine to one 389 00:32:51.319 --> 00:32:55.200 one because you've said that you've killed at least thirty people. I don't understand. 390 00:32:55.279 --> 00:33:00.160 Sure, this is not big brain thinking. I know it's really not. 391 00:33:01.039 --> 00:33:05.519 Police thanked him for that information. They were like, thank you, 392 00:33:05.920 --> 00:33:09.480 we appreciate that. We're still gonna pull up your floorboards, but thank you. 393 00:33:09.599 --> 00:33:15.039 Don't think you're going to go back there anytime soon anyway, And yeah, 394 00:33:15.119 --> 00:33:20.000 they were like, basically, it's too late, Like we're gonna pull 395 00:33:20.039 --> 00:33:22.599 up your floorboards and we're going to check that crawl space for Robert's body. 396 00:33:23.680 --> 00:33:27.519 Now keep in mind, they don't realize how many bodies are actually in the 397 00:33:27.559 --> 00:33:30.279 crawl space. They're literally expecting to find Robert Peace and then that other guy 398 00:33:31.559 --> 00:33:37.279 hmm. They called the medical examiner Robert Stein, so that he can go 399 00:33:37.319 --> 00:33:42.480 into the crawl space to like get the body, because they like they are 400 00:33:42.480 --> 00:33:47.400 fully expecting to find Robert Peace's body right m Once in the crawl space, 401 00:33:47.759 --> 00:33:53.079 Robert Stein immediately found a human bone belonging to a male. However, it 402 00:33:53.200 --> 00:33:57.960 soon became clear that it wasn't Robert Peace, as the body had been in 403 00:33:58.000 --> 00:34:04.160 the crawl space a lot longer than Robert was missing. Police decided that it 404 00:34:04.240 --> 00:34:08.639 was best to continue the dig the next morning. They were like, Okay, 405 00:34:08.639 --> 00:34:15.679 well, we've just found a random body. Let's like because it was 406 00:34:15.719 --> 00:34:20.800 a it was a busy day, let's not lie. Yeah, So they're 407 00:34:20.840 --> 00:34:23.559 like, let's kick this up in the morning. So they go home and 408 00:34:23.599 --> 00:34:27.559 they're like, right, do this in the morning. And while that's happening, 409 00:34:27.840 --> 00:34:31.199 John realizes that he don't fucked up, and he did not use his 410 00:34:31.280 --> 00:34:37.440 big brain. That was not That was not big brain thinking. So he's 411 00:34:37.519 --> 00:34:43.519 like, I, guests, I should just probably fess right now because it's 412 00:34:43.800 --> 00:34:46.000 probably the only thing that's going to actually help me in the long run, 413 00:34:46.440 --> 00:34:50.559 because I'm already caught. They were in my house right now, you're tearing 414 00:34:50.599 --> 00:34:57.239 up my fucking floorboards, because I wonder if the death penalty was like a 415 00:34:57.400 --> 00:35:00.920 thing at the time, if it still is a thing, and if that's 416 00:35:00.960 --> 00:35:05.639 why he was like, oh, well, I better just go on ahead 417 00:35:05.679 --> 00:35:10.880 and confess to save myself from the death penalty. Could have been he knew 418 00:35:10.920 --> 00:35:14.679 he was like already caught. Like he's like, I'm I'm fucked, Like 419 00:35:14.760 --> 00:35:21.639 I'm gone. Okay. So it was abolished in Illinois on the first of 420 00:35:21.719 --> 00:35:27.400 July twenty eleven. And fun fact, number of innocent people freed from death 421 00:35:27.480 --> 00:35:34.880 row twenty two. M not that many. Yeah, number of executions since 422 00:35:34.960 --> 00:35:39.320 nineteen seventy six is thirteen so and then number of executions before in nineteen seventy 423 00:35:39.320 --> 00:35:45.079 six was three hundred and forty eight. Oh my lord, So that's something. 424 00:35:45.440 --> 00:35:51.119 Just tip it for y'all before I go any further. Was gonna take 425 00:35:51.199 --> 00:35:57.920 oh quick at break and we're back. So we just talked briefly about the 426 00:35:58.039 --> 00:36:04.760 death penalty in Illinois, and John just started his confessions because he was like 427 00:36:05.559 --> 00:36:09.639 they, oh, you got me. John went into detail about how he 428 00:36:09.679 --> 00:36:15.360 had killed all of the boys. He would rape them and then he would 429 00:36:15.360 --> 00:36:20.119 explain his handcuffed trick which I explained in a previous episode, which is basically 430 00:36:21.079 --> 00:36:24.320 he would put trick handcuffs on himself, get out of them, and then 431 00:36:24.360 --> 00:36:28.280 would like, do you want to learn how to do it? And they'd 432 00:36:28.280 --> 00:36:30.000 be like, oh my god, yeah, that was so cool, show 433 00:36:30.079 --> 00:36:35.599 me. And then he would lock them in actual handcuffs that only he had 434 00:36:35.639 --> 00:36:42.920 the key two, and he'd like booking, got you you did? Yeah. 435 00:36:42.920 --> 00:36:49.960 Basically fucking vile human being literally, So he explained that to the police, 436 00:36:50.000 --> 00:36:53.920 and then he also explained a rope trick, which was basically a similar 437 00:36:53.960 --> 00:36:59.599 thing to the handcuff trick. He then had a rack that he would tie 438 00:36:59.639 --> 00:37:06.000 his ms too, and he would often go behind his victims and throttle them 439 00:37:06.039 --> 00:37:10.400 with a board or a rope, and he would then bury them in his 440 00:37:10.480 --> 00:37:15.760 cross space. He told police about how when he ran out of room in 441 00:37:15.840 --> 00:37:21.440 his cross space, he threw five bodies in the des Plains River. He 442 00:37:21.599 --> 00:37:27.079 also admitted to police that Robert Peace's body was in the river. The police 443 00:37:27.159 --> 00:37:31.559 were not sure how to take the confession. They were worried that John was 444 00:37:31.639 --> 00:37:37.960 just trying to distract them from pulling up the floorboards of the house, and 445 00:37:37.159 --> 00:37:40.039 they're like, is he just saying this so that we'll go search the river 446 00:37:42.360 --> 00:37:46.480 and not search his house, like which you can understand because he has taken 447 00:37:46.519 --> 00:37:51.960 them for a ride already by driving around aimlessly at night and stuff like that. 448 00:37:52.440 --> 00:37:57.519 Yeah. However, a tow truck driver confirmed that he had to get 449 00:37:57.599 --> 00:38:00.639 John's car out of the murder, out of the murder, out of the 450 00:38:00.760 --> 00:38:05.920 mud at the river on December twelfth, when he was supposed to be at 451 00:38:05.960 --> 00:38:13.159 the police department for questioning. And I'd mentioned John drew a map of his 452 00:38:13.280 --> 00:38:20.079 house for police and he marked off where they could find bodies. When the 453 00:38:20.119 --> 00:38:29.159 news broke of the horror. Sorry, I've just been thinking about John going 454 00:38:29.199 --> 00:38:35.039 down there to dispose of a body, to dispose of rubber peace and then 455 00:38:35.079 --> 00:38:39.679 having to call a tow truck service. Hey brother, what are you doing 456 00:38:39.760 --> 00:38:45.039 down here? Oh? Nothing, you know, the usual? Like hea 457 00:38:45.039 --> 00:38:47.719 did that conversation go? Literally, why are you down here? Like? 458 00:38:47.880 --> 00:38:52.840 Dude? So dumb? Dude was so dumb. So when the news broke 459 00:38:53.760 --> 00:39:00.840 of the horror of John Wayne Gacy's house, parents of missing teams from all 460 00:39:00.880 --> 00:39:06.800 over America waited outside John's house along with the media to find out who was 461 00:39:06.880 --> 00:39:15.559 identified. Before Christmas nineteen seventy eight, police found around five bodies in the 462 00:39:15.559 --> 00:39:20.320 crawl space and one in the river. The days after Christmas, they found 463 00:39:20.719 --> 00:39:25.400 roughly ten more bodies, then a further six. By December eight, twenty 464 00:39:25.440 --> 00:39:32.639 eight, another six bodies and one in the river was found. Police roughly 465 00:39:32.760 --> 00:39:37.800 found about twenty six bodies in the crawl space, and they found four in 466 00:39:37.840 --> 00:39:45.960 the Desert Plains River and then two underneath his home. So John said that 467 00:39:46.039 --> 00:39:51.480 he threw five bodies in the Desert Plains River, but police can never find 468 00:39:51.639 --> 00:39:55.760 and find one. They could never find one, and obviously without the body 469 00:39:55.800 --> 00:40:02.000 they can never identify him. John was indicted for aggravated kidnapping, deriveted sexual 470 00:40:02.039 --> 00:40:08.519 assault, murder during a felony, and murder. John's home, after being 471 00:40:08.559 --> 00:40:12.880 pulled apart to find all of the bodies, which they did find something like 472 00:40:12.960 --> 00:40:19.280 thirty four or thirty six bodies all together, was demolished. On April tenth, 473 00:40:19.400 --> 00:40:24.800 nineteen seventy nine, police struggled to get John to his court hearing to 474 00:40:24.960 --> 00:40:29.599 court for his hearings as the court was so full of the media, grieving 475 00:40:29.679 --> 00:40:36.440 families and spectators. Robert Peet's body was found on April ninth, nineteen seventy 476 00:40:36.519 --> 00:40:42.480 nine, after a windstorm washed his body to shore. On January tenth, 477 00:40:42.719 --> 00:40:50.039 nineteen eighty, John entered a plea plea of not guilty. Sam Amarati tried 478 00:40:50.199 --> 00:40:54.760 to get John released on bond, however the request was denied. They also 479 00:40:54.880 --> 00:41:00.880 tried to plea an insanity defense, however, he was declared the mentally fit 480 00:41:00.960 --> 00:41:05.079 to stand trial. To be honest with yeah, I think sam Amaradi was 481 00:41:05.079 --> 00:41:07.519 like, how the fuck am I supposed to represent him? And you know, 482 00:41:07.639 --> 00:41:13.599 like trying to be a good lawyer. Yeah, when he's just without 483 00:41:13.639 --> 00:41:17.360 even knowing, without even knowing it taken on like America's biggest case at the 484 00:41:17.440 --> 00:41:22.400 time at the time. Yeah, So like he's just out here China's god 485 00:41:22.480 --> 00:41:29.119 damn best, you know. Yeah. John's trial began February sixth, nineteen 486 00:41:29.199 --> 00:41:36.199 eighty. Prosecutors William Kunkel, Robert Egan, and Terry Sullivan argued that John 487 00:41:36.360 --> 00:41:43.639 was a cold and calculated killer. John's defense team tried to convince the jury 488 00:41:43.719 --> 00:41:50.760 that John had multiple personalities and was schizophrenic, possibly from childhood traumas. There 489 00:41:50.760 --> 00:41:55.320 were over sixty witnesses, including the testimony of the victims, families, and 490 00:41:55.400 --> 00:42:02.320 friends, the defense had a psychologists testify, but he ended up actually just 491 00:42:02.440 --> 00:42:08.559 proving that John was extremely intelligent and completely sane. Didn't go well for them 492 00:42:09.039 --> 00:42:14.679 in the same department. Yes, but I wouldn't. I hate to say 493 00:42:14.760 --> 00:42:17.440 that any of these assholes aren't any way smart. Yeah, I know, 494 00:42:17.960 --> 00:42:22.679 I know. I mean, listen, they get away with it for so 495 00:42:22.719 --> 00:42:27.000 long, so obviously there is some sort of smarts there. But I would 496 00:42:27.039 --> 00:42:30.880 not. I don't know it smarts are incompetence on behalf of the police. 497 00:42:30.199 --> 00:42:37.320 I'd say make sure both. Yeah. The boys that John had raped also 498 00:42:37.480 --> 00:42:44.840 came and testified. One boy even threw up on the stand just from the 499 00:42:44.960 --> 00:42:50.480 stress of reliving the horror that had happened to him in John Gay's home. 500 00:42:51.840 --> 00:42:59.320 That poor baby, Oh my god, I just I don't even want to 501 00:42:59.679 --> 00:43:02.360 I don't even want to know what John done to him. That just the 502 00:43:02.440 --> 00:43:08.400 thoughts of reliving it made him like actually physically vomit in front of the jury. 503 00:43:09.960 --> 00:43:15.320 Oh my stomach just turned for him. Literally. On March twelfth, 504 00:43:15.480 --> 00:43:21.800 nineteen eighty, after two hours of deliberations, the jury found John Wayne Gacy 505 00:43:22.119 --> 00:43:28.719 guilty on all counts. John reportedly winked at the deputy sheriff on his way 506 00:43:28.760 --> 00:43:35.159 out of the courtroom dirt back, I know, right. William Kunkle told 507 00:43:35.199 --> 00:43:40.440 the jury that John was competent, a skillful torturer and murderer, and if 508 00:43:40.480 --> 00:43:45.960 you allow this evil man to walk this earth, then God help us all. 509 00:43:45.480 --> 00:43:51.079 Oh so they were going for that death penalty. Oh yeah, oh 510 00:43:51.199 --> 00:43:53.119 yeah, which do you know what, I don't normally agree with it because 511 00:43:53.159 --> 00:43:57.800 I'm like, let them sit posm forever. Yeah, in this case when 512 00:43:57.840 --> 00:44:01.880 it's like proven beyond a doubt, Like because earlier I just read that and 513 00:44:02.039 --> 00:44:06.639 I read it here that there was twenty two innocent people freed from death row. 514 00:44:06.719 --> 00:44:10.199 Like for one innocent person. It's not worth killing all of these absolutely 515 00:44:10.199 --> 00:44:14.079 guilty, without a doubt people to kill one innocent person. That's just not 516 00:44:14.159 --> 00:44:22.480 fair exactly exactly. But when you have men like John Wayne Gacy in the 517 00:44:22.519 --> 00:44:27.679 world, you're also like fucking burn them. Yeah. And he's such a 518 00:44:27.760 --> 00:44:34.039 scumbag that I really feel like he's going to absolutely love prison for the fact 519 00:44:34.119 --> 00:44:37.519 that everybody's gonna know what he's there for. He's going to have a certain 520 00:44:37.880 --> 00:44:42.000 amount of notoriety. Yeah, Like, like you know, you don't deserve 521 00:44:42.039 --> 00:44:47.760 that no. The jury deliberated for a further two hours on the sentencing, 522 00:44:47.880 --> 00:44:55.519 when finally agreeing to sentence John to death. John painted a lot in men 523 00:44:55.599 --> 00:45:00.119 aad Correctional Center. I hope I said that right where he was awaiting death 524 00:45:00.199 --> 00:45:06.679 row. He liked to paint a lot, no words. He tried to 525 00:45:06.719 --> 00:45:10.280 appeal his death sentence by saying that he had a helper. However, the 526 00:45:10.320 --> 00:45:16.400 appeals did fail. And I just want to state that only one person ever 527 00:45:16.480 --> 00:45:22.840 said they felt that there was another person in the room. M yeah, 528 00:45:22.880 --> 00:45:30.159 there's absolutely no proof, none whatsoever. However, he did have like a 529 00:45:30.199 --> 00:45:34.719 lot of staff and stuff like that. So yeah, and he did like 530 00:45:34.800 --> 00:45:37.000 he was able to get people to do things for him, Like he managed 531 00:45:37.039 --> 00:45:40.639 to get that kid to beat up one of his victims. So it's like, 532 00:45:43.239 --> 00:45:45.800 I don't know, I don't know, sorry, that kid that beat 533 00:45:45.920 --> 00:45:47.159 up one of his victims. He came back in the story. Did he 534 00:45:47.199 --> 00:45:52.079 become a victim himself in the ender? And no, he was just who 535 00:45:52.199 --> 00:45:55.280 he was with John, And when he was arrested, he was the one 536 00:45:55.320 --> 00:45:58.960 that was in the car with him, not the one that was like, 537 00:45:59.079 --> 00:46:04.840 oh yeah he still worked there. He didn't listen, I'm not gonna like 538 00:46:07.559 --> 00:46:13.679 he John hired like dyningite kids that needed money, do you know what I 539 00:46:13.719 --> 00:46:16.320 mean? So yeah, a real case of if you don't do this for 540 00:46:16.400 --> 00:46:20.960 me, I will fire you. And then that's a case of well fuck, 541 00:46:21.000 --> 00:46:22.000 what am I going to do for money? Like he pays me, 542 00:46:22.079 --> 00:46:28.840 well he looks after me. On May tenth, nineteen ninety four, at 543 00:46:28.920 --> 00:46:35.000 the age of fifty two, John Wayne Gacy was executed at twelve fifty eight 544 00:46:35.119 --> 00:46:43.280 am at Statesville Correctional Center. His last meal was a bucket of KFC ironic 545 00:46:44.519 --> 00:46:49.280 twelve fried shimp shrimp fries, strawberries, and a diet code because he was 546 00:46:49.320 --> 00:46:55.000 watching his weight. But I just love that he went for everything fried, 547 00:46:55.320 --> 00:46:59.599 only for him to be fried in the end. Was I like to share? 548 00:47:00.559 --> 00:47:06.880 I believe so. Yes. His last words reportedly are kiss my ass, 549 00:47:06.920 --> 00:47:12.000 although a few people have stated that they don't ever remember him saying that, 550 00:47:13.159 --> 00:47:16.639 Yeah, that seems like well, though I don't know, it does 551 00:47:16.679 --> 00:47:21.719 seem like something John would say because he's such a fucking asshole and he's just 552 00:47:21.800 --> 00:47:25.280 living out like his own scare face dreams. I was just gonna say he 553 00:47:27.199 --> 00:47:31.079 like he does have the audacity, the gold, the nerve to say kiss 554 00:47:31.159 --> 00:47:37.639 my ass. Ever, if you like, if you watch the confession taps 555 00:47:37.719 --> 00:47:43.920 on Netflix about him, I think it's that, and like I think it's 556 00:47:43.920 --> 00:47:46.320 the prosecution. Like, I don't think it's his defense lawyer. I think 557 00:47:46.320 --> 00:47:52.920 it's the prosecution lawyer is like, I don't believe he said that. Yeah, 558 00:47:52.960 --> 00:47:54.320 Like I feel like if it was Sam am Araddy, you'd be like, 559 00:47:54.320 --> 00:47:58.960 ah, Sam, you're just saying that because he you know, you 560 00:47:59.039 --> 00:48:01.760 were his lawyers were buddies. Yeah. Where, No, I actually believe 561 00:48:01.840 --> 00:48:08.360 it's like one of the prosecution like lawyers. That's like, I don't I 562 00:48:08.400 --> 00:48:13.119 don't ever remember him, Like, I don't remember hearing him say that. 563 00:48:13.760 --> 00:48:17.239 I don't know. It just it seems like something out of like a really 564 00:48:17.599 --> 00:48:22.679 low budget movie. But it does also seem like something he would say. 565 00:48:22.639 --> 00:48:30.239 I know. On a lovely note to end the story, Robert Stein, 566 00:48:30.320 --> 00:48:36.159 who I did mention earlier, I believe he was one of the arresting officers. 567 00:48:37.239 --> 00:48:45.239 He tried to convince anyone in America missing a young male family member or 568 00:48:45.400 --> 00:48:52.000 friend to come forward, as there were bodies that were unidentified. He buried 569 00:48:52.119 --> 00:48:59.719 he himself. Robert Stein buried all the unidentified boys bodies in separate graves with 570 00:48:59.719 --> 00:49:07.800 their own markers that said quote we remembered. Robert stated quote, I don't 571 00:49:07.800 --> 00:49:13.320 want to see you go to your final resting places as just numbers. November 572 00:49:13.440 --> 00:49:15.119 ninth, I know, yeah, like, what a what a sweet angel? 573 00:49:16.360 --> 00:49:22.679 What a sweet sweet angel. On November ninth, two and eleven, 574 00:49:23.119 --> 00:49:32.280 DNA resulted in identifying William Bundy July nineteenth, two thousand and seventeen. DNA 575 00:49:32.440 --> 00:49:40.679 results identified James Haykinson October twenty fourth, twenty twenty one. So it's still 576 00:49:40.719 --> 00:49:49.960 going. They're still identifying bodies. DNA results identified Francis Alexander. There are 577 00:49:50.079 --> 00:50:00.840 still five bodies unidentified soul listeners in America. If you believe a family member 578 00:50:00.320 --> 00:50:07.119 who went missing between nineteen seventy five to nineteen seventy seven was a victim of 579 00:50:07.199 --> 00:50:15.400 John Wayne Gacy, you can contact Cook County Police Department at seven or eight 580 00:50:15.079 --> 00:50:21.320 eight six five six two four four, or you can go to Cook County 581 00:50:21.400 --> 00:50:28.880 Sheriff dot Org. I hated that, but I loved that, And then 582 00:50:28.960 --> 00:50:36.360 now that's it, guys, that is the unsettling case of John Wayne Gaycy. 583 00:50:37.360 --> 00:50:44.880 But with a lovely little to Robert Stein for not letting it be about 584 00:50:44.960 --> 00:50:49.360 John Wayne Gayzy for letting it be about the victims. Really big well done 585 00:50:49.360 --> 00:50:52.159 to all of the detectives who put in the work at the end, the 586 00:50:52.159 --> 00:50:58.679 ones who like followed him around. The ones was a Krasinski, Yeah, 587 00:50:58.760 --> 00:51:06.000 Joe cos Zach Cosenza really like he really wanted to get them, Like he 588 00:51:06.119 --> 00:51:09.519 was like I don't want to rest him over just any old silly little thing 589 00:51:12.079 --> 00:51:16.760 mm hm, and like I didn't like state it properly there. Like you 590 00:51:16.800 --> 00:51:22.360 can see the images, like the media images of like the police coming out 591 00:51:22.400 --> 00:51:29.119 with all of the bodies, Like, um, I can't remember which boys 592 00:51:29.239 --> 00:51:31.440 I said it was, but there were several boys that like were buried on 593 00:51:31.559 --> 00:51:37.079 top of one another. Yeah, there was a set of friends. Like 594 00:51:37.960 --> 00:51:47.760 police had to the police had to like diffuse them from each other. Ah, 595 00:51:47.800 --> 00:51:52.639 Like police, like I know we gave out about them in the last 596 00:51:52.639 --> 00:51:58.800 episode and that, but when it came down to it, like they were 597 00:51:58.840 --> 00:52:01.559 taken like five or six bodies out of that house for the guts of a 598 00:52:01.639 --> 00:52:07.880 week two weeks and it was over the Christmas period. So he was arrested 599 00:52:07.880 --> 00:52:13.559 on December twentieth, December twenty first, twenty second, twenty third, and 600 00:52:13.599 --> 00:52:20.000 I even believe on twenty fourth they were like digging up the house. Then 601 00:52:20.599 --> 00:52:27.079 like they returned like December twenty seventh, and we're taking up more bodies and 602 00:52:27.239 --> 00:52:30.320 more bodies and more bodies, and it just like kept going for them. 603 00:52:30.360 --> 00:52:37.480 And they actually like had had dug up so much of his house that all 604 00:52:37.519 --> 00:52:42.920 that was left of his house was like the shell of it. Oh my 605 00:52:43.159 --> 00:52:47.039 god, how did he even Matt Like, I'm not even being funny, 606 00:52:47.079 --> 00:52:51.440 but how do you even with the logistics as that? How do you do 607 00:52:51.480 --> 00:52:54.639 that? And I don't like, I don't mean this in an assult of 608 00:52:54.719 --> 00:52:58.679 way, but he wasn't like a healthy man, Like, he wasn't like 609 00:52:58.719 --> 00:53:05.719 a fit man to like do any of that. But they literally like dug 610 00:53:05.840 --> 00:53:08.119 up so much of its highest that basically it was a shot. So that's 611 00:53:08.159 --> 00:53:14.599 why they demolished it. It was actually cheaper to demolish it than it would 612 00:53:14.639 --> 00:53:20.519 have been to build it back up again. My heart is literally broken. 613 00:53:21.119 --> 00:53:23.559 I feel like the older I get, the more these cases really affect me. 614 00:53:24.559 --> 00:53:29.239 I know what I mean, won't lie Like when I was like watching 615 00:53:30.239 --> 00:53:37.880 because I watched them confession tapes and like when you're watching because they show actual 616 00:53:37.960 --> 00:53:43.639 footage of that the police had taken themselves of the house and of the like 617 00:53:43.800 --> 00:53:47.960 officers in the house like digging up the bodies, like you can see them, 618 00:53:49.000 --> 00:53:53.840 Like they're like, how many more are we going to you know, 619 00:53:53.920 --> 00:53:58.639 like it's a real like case if they're like, how many more are we 620 00:53:58.760 --> 00:54:02.039 going to find? Because I don't know him anymore I can find do you 621 00:54:02.079 --> 00:54:05.880 know what I mean? And you're like, oh my god. And then 622 00:54:05.920 --> 00:54:09.559 the fact that there's still five bodies out there, well, technically there's six 623 00:54:09.599 --> 00:54:15.039 bodies out there because they never found all five that you put in the Dead 624 00:54:15.119 --> 00:54:21.559 Plains River. So there's still six people out there that have never been identified. 625 00:54:21.599 --> 00:54:27.360 And this happened in nineteen seven, Like he was arrested in nineteen seventy 626 00:54:27.440 --> 00:54:35.960 nine, and it's twenty twenty two, almost twenty twenty three. Hey, 627 00:54:36.760 --> 00:54:40.159 he's done. We can file him away. I don't know about e Megan, 628 00:54:40.280 --> 00:54:45.960 but I will forget about this case, not like as in I'll know 629 00:54:46.039 --> 00:54:51.119 it's horrible, but I will forget details. And I think it's just my 630 00:54:51.199 --> 00:54:55.760 brain being like, oop, you don't need it anymore for your own piece 631 00:54:55.800 --> 00:55:00.320 and seventy we just gonna lack that away. In all seriousness, when you 632 00:55:00.360 --> 00:55:04.679 do a podcast or when you do like when you're interested in your grim or 633 00:55:04.719 --> 00:55:07.480 whatever it is that you do, you need to have like this, a 634 00:55:07.679 --> 00:55:10.599 lock box in your brain is like Pandora's box that you just who and you 635 00:55:10.679 --> 00:55:14.360 put that information in there, and you lock it up and you throw away 636 00:55:14.360 --> 00:55:20.719 the key. That was John Wayne Gacy. Everybody, he is a doozy. 637 00:55:20.800 --> 00:55:23.039 He is three parts. I am well aware. And as I said 638 00:55:23.079 --> 00:55:31.119 earlier, if you are from America and you believe that you have and if 639 00:55:31.119 --> 00:55:37.039 you believe that you have a family member or a friend or like your mother 640 00:55:37.239 --> 00:55:44.199 or father has a friend from that went missing between nineteen seventy five and nineteen 641 00:55:44.320 --> 00:55:52.920 seventy seven, well then get in contact with Cook County Sheriff's Department and give 642 00:55:52.960 --> 00:55:57.159 them your information. And if they if you can obviously get a hold of 643 00:55:57.239 --> 00:56:04.320 DNA or relatives DNA that they can run against the missing the missing boys. 644 00:56:04.519 --> 00:56:09.360 I think I think what Robert Stein did was just beautiful, to be honest. 645 00:56:10.039 --> 00:56:14.079 Yeah, me too, agreed, And I think more people like that 646 00:56:14.119 --> 00:56:20.960 need to be in the world. Agreed so well. 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