WEBVTT 1 00:00:03.399 --> 00:00:07.919 I'm also I'm just gonna apologize in advance, Cottle turn on the dishwasher. 2 00:00:09.400 --> 00:00:14.359 God damn it, cattle she had gurgling over there between your dishwasher and your 3 00:00:14.359 --> 00:00:17.120 fridge. They'd be singing the song of their people. They'd be like, 4 00:00:17.440 --> 00:00:23.160 feature of not for free, okay, unbranded dishwasher. I'm like, they 5 00:00:23.160 --> 00:00:25.480 probably have a brand, but I refused to say the brand on this show 6 00:00:26.239 --> 00:00:32.320 point sponsors. They're gonna be like, y'all need some chill here, have 7 00:00:32.399 --> 00:00:37.280 a mini fridge. I wouldn't say no to a mini fridge of them being 8 00:00:36.560 --> 00:00:40.000 I love a mini fridge. Where would I put it, I don't know, 9 00:00:40.240 --> 00:00:42.719 but i'd find us. I feel like I want a mini fridge for 10 00:00:42.799 --> 00:00:46.479 all of the times that I don't have barbecues. You know, back in 11 00:00:46.520 --> 00:00:49.799 the day when we'd have people over, we had a little mini fridge and 12 00:00:49.880 --> 00:00:53.320 we would like plug it in an extension need so that it could commit so 13 00:00:54.600 --> 00:01:00.479 trash and just put alcohol in it. Oh let you say that, But 14 00:01:00.759 --> 00:01:08.120 in my old home house we had a drinks fridge. Oh yes, capt 15 00:01:08.280 --> 00:01:18.040 fucking tigger, let's go. Those were the dates, Oh say radio, 16 00:01:19.000 --> 00:01:23.239 anyway, let's introduce ourselves. Hi, welcome back to give us Mark, 17 00:01:23.840 --> 00:01:32.640 me him, Megan and you are listening to another episode and we appreciate that 18 00:01:33.599 --> 00:01:40.680 where openings are always so weird. I did it stretched off slow, you 19 00:01:40.760 --> 00:01:42.040 know, and then by the end of it it's like, oh god, 20 00:01:42.200 --> 00:01:48.519 please think it stop. Oh wait, I have a pause phone. Anyways, 21 00:01:49.079 --> 00:01:53.719 welcome back, and you're in for it. So it's I'm just gonna 22 00:01:53.719 --> 00:02:00.239 say, you've done this to yourself. Yeah, there's not gonna be any 23 00:02:00.959 --> 00:02:04.280 any laughs this week. I know last week we kind of we could get 24 00:02:04.319 --> 00:02:08.080 away with a bit of the funnies here and there. M Yeah, however, 25 00:02:08.439 --> 00:02:12.000 not so much this episode. And I will put I will say just 26 00:02:12.159 --> 00:02:17.919 a little disclaimer. Some of what happens here is not so great and happens 27 00:02:19.000 --> 00:02:23.319 to quite young boys. So if that is too much for you, I 28 00:02:23.439 --> 00:02:27.560 really do advise that you turn away, because like, I get it, 29 00:02:28.400 --> 00:02:38.080 I researched it. I never then get you know. That was one of 30 00:02:38.240 --> 00:02:46.039 Linda's favorite songs and so my we live obviously in the same time as Megan 31 00:02:46.080 --> 00:02:47.680 does now, but before that we loved up in Dublin and we used to 32 00:02:47.759 --> 00:02:53.879 travel to go see like my relatives up there because all my relatives are from 33 00:02:53.960 --> 00:02:58.360 Dublin, and I've spent many a night in the backseat of the care because 34 00:02:58.360 --> 00:03:00.120 I was only like eight, too young to be the front you know yourself, 35 00:03:00.520 --> 00:03:07.879 And Linda does beat the last and turn around bride guys. No, 36 00:03:08.240 --> 00:03:14.000 mine was, um, Shania Twain, that was I'm Pink. My mom 37 00:03:14.319 --> 00:03:15.960 loved Pink as well. Pink is pretty awesome, so I'll give her that. 38 00:03:16.560 --> 00:03:22.360 I would take Shania Twain over Pink and a heartbeat. I am like 39 00:03:22.719 --> 00:03:30.159 music wise, Pink's new stuff now today, absolutely her older stuff like um, 40 00:03:30.960 --> 00:03:39.639 I'm coming so you better get the start. I'm kinda that was pop. 41 00:03:40.439 --> 00:03:43.759 Yeah, that still goes hard. Oh my god. Yeah, but 42 00:03:43.960 --> 00:03:46.800 you know Shania Twain, Let's go girls. No, no, no, 43 00:03:46.919 --> 00:03:53.599 no, nothing will ever beat the feeling, just the like I don't like 44 00:03:53.840 --> 00:03:58.439 the lightning that just takes over my body when she's like, let's go girls, 45 00:03:58.599 --> 00:04:02.360 It's just like, oh yeah, I'll go fucking Faraoh like a rabid 46 00:04:02.400 --> 00:04:06.280 animal. It's like yeah, And then the song's over and you're like, 47 00:04:06.360 --> 00:04:13.759 where am I. He've tunneled through like three houses, You've made it through 48 00:04:13.840 --> 00:04:17.480 a fucking dumpster. You like wake up in the middle of a Field and 49 00:04:17.600 --> 00:04:20.480 you're just like, how did I get here? It's my place? Sni 50 00:04:20.519 --> 00:04:30.120 are Twain And yeah, well that was a music hour with Give Us More. 51 00:04:30.399 --> 00:04:33.600 Last week, a movie hour we had, No, we had a 52 00:04:33.680 --> 00:04:38.319 movie hour the week before last, and then we had music hour last week 53 00:04:38.360 --> 00:04:43.199 with Power and now we're back to Yeah, next week I will be able 54 00:04:43.279 --> 00:04:47.800 to tell you about um a play because we're going to see Misery in the 55 00:04:48.040 --> 00:04:55.199 Amazing is great. Wait is it going to be an English or I don't 56 00:04:55.279 --> 00:04:59.879 know? So I okay. The ad came open my Facebook and it didn't 57 00:05:00.079 --> 00:05:02.319 mentioned what language it was going to be in. And it's either going to 58 00:05:02.399 --> 00:05:05.720 be Maltese, which is going to be amazing, which is like I'm not 59 00:05:05.759 --> 00:05:09.959 going to understand a single fucking word, or it's going to be in English 60 00:05:10.000 --> 00:05:14.319 with Maltese accent I assume unless they've done like some training to get rid of 61 00:05:14.399 --> 00:05:18.680 their accent. Either way, iconic, it's going to be amazing. Last 62 00:05:18.720 --> 00:05:24.079 week, Oh my god, last week for Valentine's Day? Did I mention 63 00:05:24.160 --> 00:05:27.480 this last recording? I don't know if you did or know that we went 64 00:05:27.600 --> 00:05:31.560 to go we went to go see a magician. No did I tell you? 65 00:05:31.680 --> 00:05:38.519 No? You didn't tell me about this magician. Oh okay, so 66 00:05:38.920 --> 00:05:42.079 for Valentine' So I was like, I really wanted to be special and we 67 00:05:42.279 --> 00:05:51.800 never celebrate Valentine. I really wanted to be special. Well you know, 68 00:05:54.000 --> 00:06:00.439 so the place is called Chamber of Mysteries, right, and we get dinner 69 00:06:00.519 --> 00:06:04.360 on the show. Right. Cool? We go. So we have this 70 00:06:04.480 --> 00:06:08.959 little old man as our waiter, and I didn't know what to get from 71 00:06:09.000 --> 00:06:12.360 my main and I was like, would you get the risotto or the chicken 72 00:06:12.439 --> 00:06:15.160 breast? And he looks at Nile and he like cups his own chest and 73 00:06:15.279 --> 00:06:19.439 he's like, I'm I'm a breast man. I prefer the breast, like, 74 00:06:19.519 --> 00:06:28.360 oh okay. And then he comes to dessert and like we're having wine. 75 00:06:28.399 --> 00:06:30.319 So when they ask us if we want coffee, we're like no, 76 00:06:30.519 --> 00:06:34.439 no, it's okay, thank you. He goes to Nile. He cold 77 00:06:34.480 --> 00:06:39.319 like goes to half whisper into his ear and it's like, are you sure 78 00:06:39.399 --> 00:06:41.839 you don't want to stay up tonight for the day? That's in it? 79 00:06:43.120 --> 00:06:46.240 Dirty old man? Yeah, but like you done it in a funny way. 80 00:06:46.279 --> 00:06:51.959 So it was like ha ha, you know butt, And I was 81 00:06:51.959 --> 00:06:57.319 like, excuse me, sir, I am still in my prime get home 82 00:06:57.480 --> 00:07:01.240 falls asleep. But it was. It was very good in all and would 83 00:07:01.279 --> 00:07:05.160 recommend a great night if you don't want to go out and just get drunk 84 00:07:05.279 --> 00:07:11.279 for your date. Just that sounds honestly to be honest. Oh, he 85 00:07:11.399 --> 00:07:15.959 got us both involved in the actual show itself. It was a wild time 86 00:07:15.720 --> 00:07:20.800 anyway. Now the magic portion is officially over, so let's get into the 87 00:07:20.920 --> 00:07:27.600 case. So obviously last week we talked about Last week we talked about his 88 00:07:27.680 --> 00:07:31.600 early life and like his childhood, growing up and all that stuff, and 89 00:07:31.720 --> 00:07:38.279 we also talked about his first two murders. So yeah, I guess this 90 00:07:38.399 --> 00:07:43.279 week we're just gonna delve more into it. And I have a funny feeling 91 00:07:43.319 --> 00:07:46.920 it might possibly have to be three parts just because there is a there is 92 00:07:46.959 --> 00:07:55.000 a lot here unfortunately, so I'm just gonna literally jump straight in. On 93 00:07:55.199 --> 00:08:00.759 January sixteenth, nineteen eighty eight, Jeffrey met fourteen year old Jane James Docks 94 00:08:00.800 --> 00:08:05.000 to tour outside of a nightclub. Jeffrey offered James fifty dollars to spend the 95 00:08:05.120 --> 00:08:09.920 night with him. The pair went back to Jeffrey's grandmother's house and they had 96 00:08:11.000 --> 00:08:15.319 sex. Because Jeffrey is still living in his grandmother's spare room at this moment 97 00:08:15.399 --> 00:08:20.959 in time. At about four am, James told Jeffrey that he had to 98 00:08:20.120 --> 00:08:24.160 start heading home because at the end of the day he is only fourteen. 99 00:08:24.240 --> 00:08:26.319 So he's like, yeah, no, like, I actually can't stay the 100 00:08:26.439 --> 00:08:30.519 night, Like I have to go home. Yeah. Jeffrey offered him one 101 00:08:30.639 --> 00:08:35.519 last drink and he spiked it. James passed out in Jeffrey's arms. Jeffrey 102 00:08:35.639 --> 00:08:41.240 then strangled James to death. He then put James's body in the basement and 103 00:08:41.360 --> 00:08:46.360 came back up and he had breakfast with his grandmother. I don't understand. 104 00:08:46.440 --> 00:08:52.799 This is his third murder. He's done it right under his grandmother's own nose, 105 00:08:52.840 --> 00:08:56.840 and then he just goes opened casually has breakfast literally with her. For 106 00:08:56.960 --> 00:09:01.720 about a week after the murder, Efrey would go down to the basement at 107 00:09:01.799 --> 00:09:05.639 night and he would lay with James's body. So James's body is still there 108 00:09:05.720 --> 00:09:11.759 a week after the murder. Surely Jeffrey's grandmother is starting to think, okay, 109 00:09:13.039 --> 00:09:16.559 two things, so they're starting to smell and then also, what is 110 00:09:16.600 --> 00:09:18.600 he going down there for? Oh, like he'd wait until she'd go to 111 00:09:18.679 --> 00:09:22.960 bed to go down like, but also, yes, she does definitely notice 112 00:09:24.000 --> 00:09:28.519 a smell. Okay. He eventually crushed all of the bones and cut the 113 00:09:28.600 --> 00:09:33.200 body into small pieces and he put them out for the trash. His grandmother 114 00:09:33.279 --> 00:09:37.440 started to notice a smell in the house, and it was because he was 115 00:09:37.519 --> 00:09:41.200 trying to preserve James's skull, but once again it became true to brittle and 116 00:09:41.279 --> 00:09:46.080 he had to throw it away. And any time that his grandmother would be 117 00:09:46.240 --> 00:09:52.039 like, Jeffrey, what is that rancher ass smell, He'd be like, 118 00:09:52.399 --> 00:09:58.879 oh, I'm just doing taxidermy because that's what the father had shown him years 119 00:10:00.120 --> 00:10:01.720 go. So he was like, that's just my hobby and it can't smile 120 00:10:01.799 --> 00:10:05.559 and I'm sorry about that. And the grandmother was just like, right, 121 00:10:05.600 --> 00:10:11.519 okay, I mean sure, I guess I don't know. Maybe it's different 122 00:10:11.559 --> 00:10:15.559 because you know, he was doing it and his dad's done it. But 123 00:10:16.399 --> 00:10:22.080 I'd be like, in my home, no, and you can also show 124 00:10:22.159 --> 00:10:26.759 me what you're doing, because what you know, do you get me? 125 00:10:26.840 --> 00:10:31.000 I would want to see it. I one thousand percent. And look, 126 00:10:31.679 --> 00:10:37.679 I think for her it was a case of she was just like an old 127 00:10:37.840 --> 00:10:41.480 lady who was just like right, Okay, he's just doing taxidermy. It's 128 00:10:41.519 --> 00:10:48.279 just a weird kid. I guess. Imagine you live your whole life and 129 00:10:48.399 --> 00:10:52.200 it's relatively normal, and then your fucking grandson moves in when you're elderly and 130 00:10:52.399 --> 00:10:58.519 like supposed to be living your best life, and he's fucking murdering people in 131 00:10:58.600 --> 00:11:03.360 your head, and then you just think it's taxidermy, and you're like, 132 00:11:03.440 --> 00:11:07.440 oh, I guess, okay, I guess. I mean you're weird. 133 00:11:07.600 --> 00:11:13.279 Whatever it means. You're not out like drinking, So that's good. Which 134 00:11:13.320 --> 00:11:20.519 would you prefer? I would rather my house didn't smell of dead people. 135 00:11:20.840 --> 00:11:26.519 But she doesn't know it's dead people. She thinks it's dead rodents. I'm 136 00:11:26.559 --> 00:11:31.200 just gonna say that's still just bad. Like In February nineteen eighty eight, 137 00:11:31.320 --> 00:11:35.240 a month after the murder of James, Jeffrey tried to pick up twenty seven 138 00:11:35.320 --> 00:11:39.559 year old Bobby Dwayne Simpson the Pyramid at a bar and Jeffrey took him home. 139 00:11:41.759 --> 00:11:46.320 Jeffrey tried to spike Bobby's drink. However, the drugs were off quicker 140 00:11:46.399 --> 00:11:50.879 than expected because Bobby is a twenty seven year old man, not a fourteen 141 00:11:50.960 --> 00:11:58.200 year old child, so they don't take the same dosage. Jeffrey, God, 142 00:11:58.480 --> 00:12:05.960 Jeffrey, Jeffrey really done a damner on that one. Huh, silly 143 00:12:07.039 --> 00:12:11.240 goose. Jeffrey had no other option than to just let him leave unharmed, 144 00:12:11.279 --> 00:12:13.879 and he just was like, oh wow, you must have just got really 145 00:12:13.960 --> 00:12:20.960 drunk. Bobby was just like fucking out of here. On March twenty fourth, 146 00:12:22.159 --> 00:12:26.279 nineteen eighty eight, Jeffrey met twenty two year old Richard Guerrero at a 147 00:12:26.360 --> 00:12:31.000 bear Jeffrey offered Richard some money to spend the night with him. He then 148 00:12:31.120 --> 00:12:35.720 drugged Richard and strangled him to death before crushing his bones and disposing of the 149 00:12:35.799 --> 00:12:39.039 body. Sorry, that was like over in the blink of an eye. 150 00:12:39.559 --> 00:12:43.120 Yeah, a lot of these will be because there is just honestly, there's 151 00:12:43.120 --> 00:12:46.039 a lot of them. So he kind of he just he has the same 152 00:12:46.240 --> 00:12:52.279 mo for pretty much all of it. And sometimes he hangs on to their 153 00:12:52.360 --> 00:12:54.840 body for a little while, and then sometimes he just discards of it like 154 00:12:56.039 --> 00:13:01.759 immediately. And I don't mean this to send recrued and like disrespectful to some 155 00:13:01.960 --> 00:13:07.879 of the victims. I think it had mostly to do with how attracted he 156 00:13:07.120 --> 00:13:11.679 was to them, is how long he would keep them. Well, that's 157 00:13:11.720 --> 00:13:16.159 not just based on sexual preferences, because he would take not sexual physical appearances, 158 00:13:16.200 --> 00:13:18.919 he would take time to get to know them before he'd done anything. 159 00:13:20.519 --> 00:13:24.799 I found it like sometimes right, yeah, no, Like he doesn't have 160 00:13:24.080 --> 00:13:30.519 like a sexual preference, as in, like he doesn't like prefer a particular 161 00:13:30.960 --> 00:13:35.759 like hair type. Yeah, he doesn't have a type. But I think 162 00:13:37.240 --> 00:13:41.039 the more attracted he was to a certain person, the longer he would hold 163 00:13:41.120 --> 00:13:48.240 on to their body and try preserve that, where then other times it was 164 00:13:48.360 --> 00:13:52.360 just more so the thrill of the kill and the disposing of it, if 165 00:13:52.399 --> 00:13:56.840 you get me, m I think it just depended on his mood, which 166 00:13:56.919 --> 00:14:01.919 is gross as fuck. So the following weekend, Jeffrey took home another man, 167 00:14:03.240 --> 00:14:07.240 twenty five year old Ronald Flowers Junior. However, when they got back 168 00:14:07.320 --> 00:14:11.240 to the house, Jeffrey's grandmother was still awake, and she shouted down the 169 00:14:11.360 --> 00:14:16.360 stairs, jet is that you, Jeff? Like she was like, fuck's 170 00:14:16.399 --> 00:14:18.360 going on? Because any other time he brought someone back like she was past 171 00:14:18.440 --> 00:14:22.679 the fuck out of sleep because she was an old lady living her best life 172 00:14:22.799 --> 00:14:28.000 as she should. Jeff told his grandmother he was making a cup of coffee, 173 00:14:28.039 --> 00:14:31.799 and he sent her back to bed. He gave Ronald a spiked cup 174 00:14:31.879 --> 00:14:35.799 of coffee, but felt too nervous about killing him. With his grandmother awake, 175 00:14:37.000 --> 00:14:41.600 he helped a drugged up Ronald to a bus stop. He then put 176 00:14:41.759 --> 00:14:48.240 Ronald on a bus and left him alone at a random ass destination. So 177 00:14:48.399 --> 00:14:52.600 he walked this man to a bus, put him on the bus, and 178 00:14:52.759 --> 00:14:56.600 then he went home. And the bus was at like the last top, 179 00:14:56.679 --> 00:15:00.720 and you know, it was like sorry to get off now. It was 180 00:15:00.799 --> 00:15:05.360 better than the alternative. Oh absolutely. Several days later, Ronald woke up 181 00:15:05.480 --> 00:15:11.240 in the hospital with no memory of how he got there. Ronald told police 182 00:15:11.360 --> 00:15:13.440 about the last thing that he could remember, which was going home with a 183 00:15:13.519 --> 00:15:20.159 man named Jeffrey Dahmer. The next day, police called to visit Jeffrey and 184 00:15:20.240 --> 00:15:24.240 they questioned him about Ronald, but obviously Jeffrey just told him that Ronald had 185 00:15:24.279 --> 00:15:28.480 too much to drink and he tried to help him to a bus stop, 186 00:15:28.559 --> 00:15:31.679 and whatever happened after that, Jeffrey couldn't be sure. The police had no 187 00:15:31.799 --> 00:15:37.200 evidence that Jeffrey had done any harm to Ronald, so they just dropped the 188 00:15:37.360 --> 00:15:45.360 investigation, which listen I get the guy had no physical harm on him, 189 00:15:45.440 --> 00:15:48.960 So how do you prove that Jeffrey did drug him? Do you know what 190 00:15:48.000 --> 00:15:52.600 I mean? Yeah, I wouldn't say they're like running any you know, 191 00:15:54.240 --> 00:15:58.320 talks screens on his blood. Like if he admitted he had been drinking and 192 00:15:58.360 --> 00:16:03.960 stuff like that. As soon as police would have heard that he went home 193 00:16:03.039 --> 00:16:10.159 with another guy, they would have just straight up lost interest. M Jeffrey's 194 00:16:10.200 --> 00:16:14.559 grandmother had asked Jeffrey if he could move out because the smell in the basement 195 00:16:14.840 --> 00:16:21.600 was just too bad. And again he was claiming that this was from taxidermy. 196 00:16:21.639 --> 00:16:25.559 Like she was like, hunt, sweetie, cutie pie, I love 197 00:16:25.639 --> 00:16:27.000 you, but the fuck is that smell? Get out of my house? 198 00:16:27.080 --> 00:16:33.320 Please say I can't take it no more. She's right, Like to they 199 00:16:33.399 --> 00:16:37.600 put, how weird is it that you would have to go and tell your 200 00:16:37.639 --> 00:16:41.159 friends at Bingo that you had to kick your son out because your grandson out 201 00:16:41.200 --> 00:16:45.240 because the smell from his taxidermy was stinking up your house so bad. Yeah, 202 00:16:45.879 --> 00:16:48.799 Like, I'm not gonna want to tell Susie about that. No, 203 00:16:49.000 --> 00:16:55.639 Jeffrey managed to find himself an apartment and on September twenty sixth, nineteen eighty 204 00:16:55.720 --> 00:17:03.679 eight, Jeffrey met thirteen year old some sack synthosom phone. He asked some 205 00:17:03.879 --> 00:17:07.279 Sack if he would be interested in earning some money. Keep in mind he 206 00:17:07.440 --> 00:17:11.880 is thirteen. All he had to do was let Jeffrey take some pictures of 207 00:17:12.000 --> 00:17:18.640 him. Jeffrey offered him fifty dollars for one hour. Some Sack asked if 208 00:17:18.680 --> 00:17:21.960 these photos would have to be nude, and Jeffrey told him that it didn't 209 00:17:22.039 --> 00:17:27.000 matter whichever he was more comfortable with. Some Sack agreed and went over to 210 00:17:27.119 --> 00:17:33.920 Jeffrey's apartment to take some polaroid pictures. Jeffrey then gave the young boy a 211 00:17:33.039 --> 00:17:38.400 spiked coffee. Before the drugs had fully kicked in, Jeffrey began trying to 212 00:17:38.480 --> 00:17:44.000 take off some sex's clothes. The young boy quickly copped on to what Jeffrey 213 00:17:44.079 --> 00:17:48.559 was trying to do, and he managed to escape Jeffrey's apartment and he ran 214 00:17:48.160 --> 00:17:53.640 all the way home. He managed to make it home before passing out from 215 00:17:53.680 --> 00:17:59.599 the drugs. His parents rang the police immediately, because first of all, 216 00:17:59.640 --> 00:18:03.799 it's the thirteen year old son, like what the hell? And then second 217 00:18:03.799 --> 00:18:08.240 of all, he wasn't like a kid that was into drugs. Yeah, 218 00:18:08.680 --> 00:18:12.400 I mean he's only a baby. Sum Sack was able to show the police 219 00:18:12.440 --> 00:18:17.680 where Jeffrey lived, like he was able to tell them like where he went. 220 00:18:18.759 --> 00:18:22.519 And the police then searched Jeffrey's apartment and they found a bottle of sleeping 221 00:18:22.599 --> 00:18:27.920 pills and the photos that Jeffrey had managed to take off some Sack. Jeffrey 222 00:18:29.039 --> 00:18:33.960 was then arrested for second degree sexual harassment. He spent six days in jail 223 00:18:33.079 --> 00:18:40.960 before Lionel posted his bail. Lionel then hired Gerald Boyle to represent Jeffrey in 224 00:18:41.039 --> 00:18:47.799 the trial. Gerald ordered Jeffrey to undergo a psychological evaluation. This brought to 225 00:18:47.960 --> 00:18:55.359 light Jeffrey's deep feelings of alienation and how he was an impulsive individual. However, 226 00:18:56.000 --> 00:19:00.559 Jeffrey was found guilty of the crime, and while he was awaiting Entenson, 227 00:19:00.079 --> 00:19:07.759 he committed another murder. The absolute neck like he is no that you 228 00:19:07.920 --> 00:19:11.720 just said, He's was literally proven to be impulsive, like he is absolutely 229 00:19:11.839 --> 00:19:17.319 no control, like he's just yeah, I'm just gonna go do that. 230 00:19:18.240 --> 00:19:21.480 And so before we do do that, we'll just jump on into and I'd 231 00:19:21.480 --> 00:19:27.039 break On March twenty fifth, nineteen eighty nine, Jeffrey met twenty four year 232 00:19:27.079 --> 00:19:33.160 old Anthony Sears. Jeffrey claimed he had knock gone out with the intention of 233 00:19:33.279 --> 00:19:38.880 picking up a victim when Anthony quote just started looking at me. Oh he 234 00:19:40.039 --> 00:19:44.799 was really asking for it. Huh, Please note my sarcasm. He made 235 00:19:45.000 --> 00:19:55.359 eye contact, you know, obviously. Yeah, Jeffrey brought Anthony back to 236 00:19:55.519 --> 00:19:59.839 his home and had sex with him. When Anthony tried to leave. Afterwards, 237 00:20:00.079 --> 00:20:04.400 Jeffrey drugged him and strangled him to death. Jeffrey then disposed of the 238 00:20:04.480 --> 00:20:11.319 body, but he kept the head and his genitals. That makes me violently 239 00:20:11.440 --> 00:20:17.759 uncomfortable. I'm so sorry there had to happen to that man. He put 240 00:20:17.839 --> 00:20:22.640 them in his locker at work, his work locker. What First of all, 241 00:20:22.720 --> 00:20:29.119 who's hiring fucking Jeffrey Dahmer. He works at the Ambrosia factory, remember, 242 00:20:33.640 --> 00:20:38.000 and yes, Ambrosier, that's for you. No, it is. 243 00:20:40.720 --> 00:20:45.240 But why is your rice pudding so gross? Anyway? Trusting? Yeah, 244 00:20:45.559 --> 00:20:49.319 I don't know if it's the same ambrosia, to be perfectly honest, very 245 00:20:49.319 --> 00:20:56.000 well might not be to bring it to work, even though you have your 246 00:20:56.039 --> 00:21:00.799 own apartment at this stage. It's because he knew he was like about to 247 00:21:00.920 --> 00:21:06.240 be sentenced to Oh yeah, I forgot m Yeah. So he was like, 248 00:21:07.799 --> 00:21:11.759 it'll be safe in my work locker, as if they're not ever going 249 00:21:11.839 --> 00:21:14.240 to look there, and it's not going to start to smell. And your 250 00:21:14.319 --> 00:21:17.720 manager doesn't have an extra key tier work locker, and if he doesn't, 251 00:21:17.799 --> 00:21:18.880 he's not going to get a locksmith, and they're not going to find the 252 00:21:18.960 --> 00:21:23.240 genitals and head that you have. They don't what they don't find the genital 253 00:21:23.279 --> 00:21:27.920 holes in head. Ah, that's what's most annoying. No, like they 254 00:21:29.640 --> 00:21:32.920 like, I mean like his boss, like nobody ever like is like, 255 00:21:33.119 --> 00:21:37.640 what's the smell coming from jeff locker? I mean with an ambrosia factory, 256 00:21:37.720 --> 00:21:41.960 probably stinks like shit anyway. On May twenty third, nineteen eighty nine, 257 00:21:42.079 --> 00:21:48.319 Jeffrey was sentenced to five years probation, one year's jail time with work release. 258 00:21:48.039 --> 00:21:52.039 What was that name? What was that date? Again? May twenty 259 00:21:52.119 --> 00:21:59.839 third, that's my birthday and also two days after Jeffrey's birthday, So get 260 00:22:00.119 --> 00:22:07.640 fucked happy birthday, bitch. He got five years probation with one year's jail 261 00:22:07.720 --> 00:22:14.000 time, and with that jail time work release. That meant that Jeffrey was 262 00:22:14.039 --> 00:22:18.480 allied out of prison to attend work six days a week. You just go 263 00:22:18.640 --> 00:22:22.279 in to serve your silly little jail time for your silly little crime one day 264 00:22:22.400 --> 00:22:27.880 a week. How is nettin? Jeffrey was then released from prison two months 265 00:22:27.960 --> 00:22:33.720 early in March nineteen ninety. He only had to do twelve months jail time, 266 00:22:33.839 --> 00:22:41.160 and he only did ten for trying to sexually assault a thirteen year old 267 00:22:41.240 --> 00:22:49.920 boy. I'meric mercle. Can't even say anything because like everywhere, I mean, 268 00:22:51.400 --> 00:22:53.920 Arland was covering up babies murders at that stage, so like we have 269 00:22:55.000 --> 00:23:00.319 our own ship. But you know, you know, yeah. Jeffrey had 270 00:23:00.480 --> 00:23:07.279 got leniency from the judge by writing a letter in which he stated that quote, 271 00:23:07.799 --> 00:23:11.920 I'm an alcoholic and a homosexual with sexual problems. We're just stating the 272 00:23:12.039 --> 00:23:18.160 obvious facts here, kid, don't say. Lionel had also written a letter 273 00:23:18.240 --> 00:23:22.200 to the judge asking to help Jeffrey. So basically this letter was like, 274 00:23:22.400 --> 00:23:26.759 look, listen, my boys troubled. I'm well aware my boys troubled, 275 00:23:26.279 --> 00:23:30.039 but like, please don't do this to him, and like we'll get him 276 00:23:30.079 --> 00:23:33.480 into shape. And the judge was like, you know what, that sounds 277 00:23:33.519 --> 00:23:38.440 good to me the military. The US Army could not get this boy into 278 00:23:38.519 --> 00:23:42.599 shape. But Lionel's like, I'll do it. Lionel, you couldn't even 279 00:23:42.680 --> 00:23:45.880 keep him. You've shipped him off to your grandmother's or to your mother's. 280 00:23:47.480 --> 00:23:53.039 Lionel does not whip him into shape. When Jeffrey was released from prison, 281 00:23:53.200 --> 00:24:00.240 he got himself an apartment at Oxford Apartments in Milwaukee. Shortly after moving in 282 00:24:00.480 --> 00:24:04.920 in May nineteen ninety, just two months after being released from prison, Jeffrey 283 00:24:06.000 --> 00:24:11.799 met thirty three year old Raymond Smith at a local nightclub. Jeffrey offered Raymond 284 00:24:11.880 --> 00:24:17.240 fifty dollars to go back to his apartment to take some pictures. Once they 285 00:24:17.359 --> 00:24:22.240 got into Jeffrey's apartment, Raymond was immediately drugged, and Jeffrey then proceeded to 286 00:24:22.279 --> 00:24:29.359 strangle him to death. Jeffrey then took photos of Raymond's body posed in different 287 00:24:29.519 --> 00:24:34.839 positions as a little memento, you know, for later on. That's just 288 00:24:36.200 --> 00:24:41.200 so upsetting. Jeffrey then set up a shrine in his room. This was 289 00:24:41.319 --> 00:24:45.920 somewhere for him to keep the skulls of his victims. He hung up a 290 00:24:45.960 --> 00:24:52.200 black tablecloth and a winged mythical creature to symbolize the devil. I can't remember 291 00:24:52.240 --> 00:24:56.720 what that creatures called, but you know it, He later said, quote 292 00:24:56.880 --> 00:25:03.000 it was my way of remembering their hearings, their physical beauty. I also 293 00:25:03.119 --> 00:25:06.599 wanted to keep them. If I couldn't keep them there with me whole, 294 00:25:06.720 --> 00:25:15.519 at least I could keep their skeleton, all right. YEA, just feeling 295 00:25:15.680 --> 00:25:22.240 here that you have abandonment issues just makes I don't know where you're getting that 296 00:25:22.359 --> 00:25:26.759 from. I just never want them to leave me ever, even in death. 297 00:25:26.839 --> 00:25:33.200 I'll just keep their skulls. It'll be fine. Yeah. Jeffrey painted 298 00:25:33.319 --> 00:25:37.319 some of the skulls with an off white paint in order to make them look 299 00:25:37.400 --> 00:25:41.960 more like decorations. Just in case anyone was like, what's that, He'd 300 00:25:41.000 --> 00:25:45.960 just be like, oh, that's a little silly, little decoration. Jeffrey 301 00:25:45.119 --> 00:25:51.680 had an eighty gallon pot that he used to boil the victim's bones in. 302 00:25:52.160 --> 00:25:57.920 Then when everything was dissolved, dissolved, he would pour it down the drain. 303 00:26:00.000 --> 00:26:03.680 You would pour it was like acid, was it? Yeah, he'd 304 00:26:03.720 --> 00:26:07.079 pour that down the drain. I don't understand how that works, because I 305 00:26:07.160 --> 00:26:11.119 feel like acid isn't going to dissolve everything. And then also is that not 306 00:26:11.200 --> 00:26:15.559 going to totally fuck up your your pipeline. And he was living in an 307 00:26:15.559 --> 00:26:21.559 apartment complex. Yeah, yeah, I have so many questions, but not 308 00:26:22.119 --> 00:26:27.039 that one is not answered. About a week after murdering Raymond, Jeffrey lard 309 00:26:27.079 --> 00:26:33.119 another young man back to his apartment. Jeffrey attempted to drug the young man, 310 00:26:33.279 --> 00:26:38.079 but Jeffrey got confused and drank the wrong cup and instead drugged himself ka. 311 00:26:41.039 --> 00:26:42.720 After a while, Jeffrey passed out, and when he woke up the 312 00:26:42.799 --> 00:26:48.559 next morning, his watch had been stolen, along with three thousand dollars. 313 00:26:48.200 --> 00:26:55.200 Yeah no, sorry, three hundred dollars whoop, that's what get. Jeffrey 314 00:26:55.279 --> 00:27:00.519 was naturally unable to report the crime because he was planning on murder during this 315 00:27:00.720 --> 00:27:06.839 man, So have fucking big would you feel knowing that you got away with 316 00:27:06.960 --> 00:27:10.759 that shit? Like later like being that guy and be like I have your 317 00:27:10.839 --> 00:27:15.480 fucking watching your fucking money piece. Years later, he's like Jeffrey's arrested and 318 00:27:15.559 --> 00:27:19.200 he's like, oh, oh that guy I robbed him. But that night, 319 00:27:19.359 --> 00:27:23.559 like imagine noticing that Jeffrey very clearly, because it's say, it's really 320 00:27:23.599 --> 00:27:29.640 obvious, like drugged his own drink and you're like what wait, wait a 321 00:27:29.720 --> 00:27:36.559 minute, wait a second, that's probably why he robbed him. Yeah, 322 00:27:37.559 --> 00:27:41.480 but like, you know what, fuck the ship. Then, on June 323 00:27:41.519 --> 00:27:45.680 twenty third, nineteen ninety, Jeffrey met twenty seven year old Eddie Smith. 324 00:27:47.319 --> 00:27:52.039 He told Eddie that he was a movie producer in order to lure Eddie back 325 00:27:52.079 --> 00:27:56.319 to his apartment. I'm sure once Eddie saw the apartment he was like, 326 00:27:56.480 --> 00:28:03.119 you're not a movie producer. No, no, no. Jeffrey then drugged 327 00:28:03.160 --> 00:28:08.519 and strangled Eddie. Jeffrey then took photos of Eddie, but he wasn't satisfied 328 00:28:08.599 --> 00:28:15.599 with them. He then decided to try and dry out Eddie's skull by placing 329 00:28:15.640 --> 00:28:22.880 it in the microwaves. This caused Eddie's skull to explode. Jeffrey would later 330 00:28:22.960 --> 00:28:26.720 claim that he felt bad about Eddie's murder as he felt it was a waste 331 00:28:26.759 --> 00:28:33.720 and had been for nothing. Oh, had been for nothing. All of 332 00:28:33.799 --> 00:28:38.119 your murders were for nothing other than your own sexual gross greed. Imagine what 333 00:28:38.240 --> 00:28:41.519 a violent thing to say. Yeah, just being like, oh, that 334 00:28:41.680 --> 00:28:48.440 murder was a waste. Excuse me, sir. That was somebody's like son, 335 00:28:48.400 --> 00:28:53.160 that was his life. Yeah, and that murder was a waste. 336 00:28:53.279 --> 00:28:57.400 Your life is a waste, Jeffrey, Your life is a waste. Yeah. 337 00:28:57.839 --> 00:29:03.680 Then on July sixth, nineteen ninety, Jeffrey met a young male and 338 00:29:03.839 --> 00:29:07.240 lured him back to the apartment. The pair had sex and then fell asleep 339 00:29:08.519 --> 00:29:11.519 All that night. Jeffrey was waiting on the man to say that he was 340 00:29:11.599 --> 00:29:14.799 leaving, so that he could be like, let me just get you a 341 00:29:14.880 --> 00:29:18.160 drink and I'll drug you and kill you. However, the guy never did. 342 00:29:18.240 --> 00:29:23.640 The guy was like, kind of like you yeah. The man ended 343 00:29:23.720 --> 00:29:26.799 up staying the night, and then the next morning asked if they could meet 344 00:29:26.880 --> 00:29:32.000 up later that day when he was leaving. The pair met up the following 345 00:29:32.119 --> 00:29:36.240 night, on July eighth, nineteen ninety. When they got back to Jeffrey's 346 00:29:36.279 --> 00:29:40.519 apartment, he had no more sleeping pills to drug him, so instead, 347 00:29:40.640 --> 00:29:44.519 Jeffrey just picked up a mallet, snuck up behind him, and hit him 348 00:29:44.599 --> 00:29:48.599 over the head with it. What he wasn't even going to leave though, 349 00:29:48.319 --> 00:29:52.160 not Jeffrey was just like, m he's probably going to leave this time, 350 00:29:52.200 --> 00:29:56.759 so I'll just like jump the gun and attack him. Jeffrey didn't hit the 351 00:29:56.880 --> 00:30:00.720 young man hard enough, though, and the pair got into a fight. 352 00:30:00.799 --> 00:30:07.720 They eventually tired themselves out, and the young man told Jeffrey that he was 353 00:30:07.759 --> 00:30:11.039 like, look, I'll forgive you. I'm not going to tell anyone about 354 00:30:11.079 --> 00:30:15.079 the assault. It's all good. Like I hit you back, so we're 355 00:30:15.160 --> 00:30:21.519 even, and Jeffrey let him go. Jeffrey was like, cool, thanks 356 00:30:21.559 --> 00:30:26.200 man, all right, I can't believe you let him go. Well, 357 00:30:26.200 --> 00:30:30.720 I guess he couldn't fight him off anymore. That young man immediately ran to 358 00:30:30.839 --> 00:30:36.200 the police. Yeah, he told them the whole story, but he asked 359 00:30:36.359 --> 00:30:40.119 not to inform his foster parents that he was gay out of fear of being 360 00:30:40.160 --> 00:30:42.799 thrown out of his foster home. How old is this guy? We don't 361 00:30:42.799 --> 00:30:45.359 have his I don't have his name or his age, but if he's in 362 00:30:45.400 --> 00:30:49.400 a foster home, he is under the age of eighteen. So in fact, 363 00:30:49.440 --> 00:30:53.119 he could be even under the age of sixteen. I'm going to say 364 00:30:53.200 --> 00:30:59.359 it's safe to assume he was under the age of eighteen. Wouldn't be completely 365 00:30:59.440 --> 00:31:04.119 out of his world to pick up somebody that young. Anyway, the police 366 00:31:04.240 --> 00:31:11.519 found this young man's story so bizarre, and they never went and questioned Jeffrey. 367 00:31:14.400 --> 00:31:18.240 Excuse me. They were like that's a weird story. So he's probably 368 00:31:18.279 --> 00:31:25.640 just soundcrack or something, you know, the gaze assert. What I'm assuming 369 00:31:25.759 --> 00:31:30.599 is a young child came to you and said, I've been attacked by a 370 00:31:30.759 --> 00:31:36.440 grown ass man. So we had just recently, like recently, I'm not 371 00:31:36.559 --> 00:31:41.720 even talking about episodes from years ago that we've done where we had John Chimowski, 372 00:31:41.599 --> 00:31:45.960 we had John Wayne Gacy, and we have Jeffrey Dahmer. M don't 373 00:31:47.000 --> 00:31:52.720 they all have victims who went to the police that wouldn't believed did John Wayne 374 00:31:52.759 --> 00:31:59.480 Gacy? Yeah, John Wayne Gacy, he had one kid that's that basically 375 00:31:59.519 --> 00:32:02.680 told them everything that John did and John was like, no, that was 376 00:32:02.759 --> 00:32:07.880 all consensual, and the police were like cool, cool, cool, Yeah, 377 00:32:07.960 --> 00:32:12.000 that's right. But that's great. So far, just in our recent 378 00:32:13.279 --> 00:32:17.559 kind of episodes, it's a common it's very frustrating, and even in the 379 00:32:19.160 --> 00:32:22.759 most recent case, I'm like, we're tuteen now that happens in England, 380 00:32:22.960 --> 00:32:28.559 Like that's in England in the seventies and eighties. I'm like ninety nine percent 381 00:32:28.599 --> 00:32:30.640 sure that happened with Fred and Rose West as well. Like it's just so 382 00:32:31.359 --> 00:32:37.160 annoying that it's so common that police are just like m okay, And there 383 00:32:37.319 --> 00:32:44.680 is a part in this that what the police do is disgusting, disgusting. 384 00:32:45.400 --> 00:32:49.440 Yeah. On September two, nineteen ninety, Jeffrey met twenty four year old 385 00:32:49.559 --> 00:32:54.599 Ernest Miller outside of a bookstore. Jeffrey offered Earnest fifty dollars to go back 386 00:32:54.640 --> 00:33:00.799 to his apartment and take some pictures. Jeffrey lay Earnest on the bed and 387 00:33:00.240 --> 00:33:06.799 listened to his heart, and then he tried to give Earnest oral sex. 388 00:33:07.759 --> 00:33:15.079 Ernest told Jeffrey, quote, that'll cost you extra, Okay, do what 389 00:33:15.200 --> 00:33:17.279 you gotta do. He was like, you paid me fifty dollars for photos. 390 00:33:19.240 --> 00:33:22.519 Jeffrey then cut Ernest's carotid artery with a knife, leaving him to bleed 391 00:33:22.599 --> 00:33:29.920 out in a minute. He then took his photos of Ernest's body. Is 392 00:33:29.920 --> 00:33:32.920 that for the first time he had, Sorry, I can finish every sensor, 393 00:33:34.119 --> 00:33:37.119 No, no, m He just he then dismembered Earnest's body after he 394 00:33:37.200 --> 00:33:43.319 took the photos. Yet, that's the first time he's like slit like that. 395 00:33:44.680 --> 00:33:47.839 Yeah, Like he's never done that before. He's always up until this 396 00:33:49.000 --> 00:33:52.279 point and pretty much after this point, this seems like a random like first 397 00:33:52.359 --> 00:33:59.720 off, he drugs them, like he spikes their drink, and then while 398 00:33:59.720 --> 00:34:05.839 they're out of it, then he strangles them. And it's when it's after 399 00:34:05.960 --> 00:34:08.159 he strangles them to that it's when they're dead, is when he starts doing 400 00:34:08.199 --> 00:34:15.239 all of his cutting and his such Like. He's such a fucking coward that 401 00:34:15.360 --> 00:34:19.400 he can't even he has to drug them to do anything. He's such a 402 00:34:19.480 --> 00:34:24.960 fucking coward. Jeffrey kept his biceps and other portions of his flesh in his 403 00:34:25.079 --> 00:34:30.960 fridge. This was when Jeffrey began to consume the meat off of his victims. 404 00:34:32.719 --> 00:34:37.280 He thought that cannibalism was a way of honoring them. Quote, it 405 00:34:37.440 --> 00:34:42.639 made me feel they were even more a part of me, Jeffrey, Hun, 406 00:34:44.400 --> 00:34:46.679 you just be and shit, Okay, you just be and shit. 407 00:34:47.639 --> 00:34:52.920 Yeah, you're just sick, Like you're a sick person with a sick mind. 408 00:34:52.320 --> 00:34:55.760 You don't need to come up with this like poetic shit. I thought 409 00:34:55.800 --> 00:35:00.920 that, No, okay, just say that you're fucking sick and you wanted 410 00:35:01.039 --> 00:35:08.239 to eat human flesh. Don't beat around the bush. On September twenty fourth, 411 00:35:08.440 --> 00:35:13.239 nineteen ninety, Jeffrey met twenty three year old David Thomas at a local 412 00:35:13.320 --> 00:35:17.800 mall. Jeffrey offered David money back to his apartment to take some photos and 413 00:35:19.000 --> 00:35:23.239 have a few beers. Jeffrey then drugged David. When David had passed out, 414 00:35:23.360 --> 00:35:29.599 Jeffrey decided that he wasn't attracted to him, but he panicked that if 415 00:35:29.760 --> 00:35:34.679 jeff that if David woke up, that he would try call the police, 416 00:35:34.840 --> 00:35:37.480 or he would tell the police because he brought this man back to his apartment 417 00:35:37.639 --> 00:35:44.920 one thousand percent sober, you know, probably drugged him with coffee and was 418 00:35:45.000 --> 00:35:52.079 like, fucking shit head, I explained this, Yeah, So Jeffrey decided 419 00:35:52.119 --> 00:35:57.280 that the only solution was to kill him. Jeffrey strangled David and disposed of 420 00:35:57.440 --> 00:36:00.559 his body. And Jeffrey didn't kill for several months after this, and he 421 00:36:01.159 --> 00:36:07.440 claims that he felt really guilty about it, but that basically it wasn't until 422 00:36:07.559 --> 00:36:10.119 after he had drugged him. He was like, I don't find him attractive. 423 00:36:12.159 --> 00:36:15.039 Oh, I feel so bad for taking somebody's life that I didn't even 424 00:36:15.159 --> 00:36:19.920 do it. For a couple of months, I didn't I couldn't even kill 425 00:36:19.960 --> 00:36:24.000 anybody for like a while. Oh my god, it took me a whole 426 00:36:24.079 --> 00:36:31.360 few months. Then on February eighteenth, nineteen ninety one, Jeffrey met seventeen 427 00:36:31.480 --> 00:36:37.880 year old Curtis Stratter at a bus station. Curtis was an aspiring model, 428 00:36:37.039 --> 00:36:42.519 so when Jeffrey offered him money to take some headshots, he felt like he 429 00:36:42.679 --> 00:36:47.280 just had to say yes because he was seventeen. Jeffrey then drugged and strangled 430 00:36:47.320 --> 00:36:52.639 Curtis once that they got to his apartment. Jeffrey then disposed of Curtis's body, 431 00:36:53.199 --> 00:36:58.559 but kept his hands, skull and genitals. Then, on April seventh, 432 00:36:58.719 --> 00:37:02.280 nineteen ninety one, Jeffrey met nineteen year old Errol Lindsay. Jeffrey once 433 00:37:02.320 --> 00:37:07.679 again offered Errol money in exchange for some photos. Jeffrey drugged and strangled Errol. 434 00:37:09.199 --> 00:37:15.159 Jeffrey then flayed the skin off Errol's body. No thank you. He 435 00:37:15.360 --> 00:37:21.239 placed the skin in salt water an attempt to preserve it, but was unsuccessful. 436 00:37:22.119 --> 00:37:25.760 For somebody that spent a lot of his childhood preserving shit, he wasn't 437 00:37:25.840 --> 00:37:30.239 very good at it. No. On May twenty fourth, nineteen ninety one, 438 00:37:30.360 --> 00:37:35.480 Jeffrey met thirty one year old deaf model Tony Hughes at a local nightclub. 439 00:37:35.760 --> 00:37:38.519 And this is the guy that Netflix put a lot of emphasis on but 440 00:37:39.840 --> 00:37:46.239 watching the documentary, Tony knew Jeffrey for sure. They had met a couple 441 00:37:46.239 --> 00:37:51.760 of times before, just because they were about gay men circling the same nightclubs 442 00:37:51.800 --> 00:37:55.559 and stuff, and one friend, I think, mentions that they possibly did 443 00:37:55.639 --> 00:38:00.840 hook up together multiple times, but it was not in the context that the 444 00:38:01.760 --> 00:38:07.679 series put it in. So I think that the series meshed Tony with the 445 00:38:07.960 --> 00:38:12.559 unnamed guy and that they kind of just mixed the two a little bit together 446 00:38:12.679 --> 00:38:19.199 to try to create this story. Tony's friend drove them to Jeffrey's block, 447 00:38:19.400 --> 00:38:24.119 but Jeffrey wouldn't like let the friend drive to the apartment block, just to 448 00:38:24.400 --> 00:38:29.000 the estate block that you know what they call a block. I have no 449 00:38:29.119 --> 00:38:31.599 idea what's a block, what's a meter, what's a fun like, what's 450 00:38:31.599 --> 00:38:36.880 a yard? I don't get it from my understanding. Basically, he let 451 00:38:37.079 --> 00:38:42.880 Tony's friend drive them to the top of the estate, but wouldn't let him 452 00:38:42.920 --> 00:38:45.400 like drive in to where the apartment block would have been, so that he 453 00:38:45.440 --> 00:38:50.719 wouldn't know where he lived. Yeah, Jeffrey and Tony sat in the backseat 454 00:38:50.840 --> 00:38:54.360 writing notes to one another. That was the last time that Tony's friend ever 455 00:38:54.480 --> 00:39:00.519 saw him. Jeffrey drugged and strangled Tony to death, and he left Tony's 456 00:39:00.559 --> 00:39:06.599 body lying decomposing on the bedroom floor of his apartment. And Tony's friend was 457 00:39:06.679 --> 00:39:14.559 actually interviewed and was heavily considered a suspect for many years because he didn't know 458 00:39:15.000 --> 00:39:19.800 I believe he didn't know Jeffrey's name, so he was just like, I 459 00:39:20.000 --> 00:39:23.199 dropped my friend off with a guy at the top of this block here, 460 00:39:23.320 --> 00:39:29.719 and then the police were like sharded shaded. So that was on May twenty 461 00:39:30.000 --> 00:39:36.599 fourth. Then on May twenty seventh, nineteen ninety one, Jeffrey picked up 462 00:39:36.800 --> 00:39:44.079 fourteen year old Connorac Synthasophone, the brother of some Sack. Jeffrey did not 463 00:39:44.199 --> 00:39:46.880 know at the time that the two boys had that the two boys were related. 464 00:39:47.639 --> 00:39:52.079 He just saw a young boy that he wanted to take home. Jeffrey 465 00:39:52.119 --> 00:39:57.199 took Connorac back to his apartment, where Tony's body was still lying on the 466 00:39:57.239 --> 00:40:05.440 bedroom floor. Jeffrey drugged Connor When Conaract passed out, Jeffrey decided he wanted 467 00:40:05.480 --> 00:40:09.599 to try out an experiment that he had previously failed. In this experiment, 468 00:40:10.280 --> 00:40:15.760 after raping the young boy, Jeffrey drilled a hole into the top of Connorac's 469 00:40:15.840 --> 00:40:23.039 head an injected muriatic acid Jeffrey wanted to wanted this to turn his victims into 470 00:40:23.199 --> 00:40:28.679 a zombie like trance to stop them from wanting to leave. At around one 471 00:40:28.719 --> 00:40:32.719 am, Jeffrey had finished with his experiment and he left Connorak unconscious on the 472 00:40:32.800 --> 00:40:38.840 sitting room floor to go and buy some more beers. While Jeffrey was out, 473 00:40:38.960 --> 00:40:44.920 Conorac regained consciousness and managed to escape from the apartment. He made his 474 00:40:45.000 --> 00:40:50.280 way to the streets. He was completely naked and could barely walk or talk. 475 00:40:51.239 --> 00:40:54.519 He had a fucking hole in his head. Three young women found Connorac 476 00:40:54.840 --> 00:41:00.239 in this state and they called nine one one. They got a blank get 477 00:41:00.280 --> 00:41:02.639 they placed it around the young boy to keep him warm and to cover him 478 00:41:02.760 --> 00:41:09.199 up, and they waited with him while they waited on the police. Whilst 479 00:41:09.320 --> 00:41:14.199 they were waiting on police, Jeffrey had come back from buying the beer. 480 00:41:15.880 --> 00:41:21.400 He found three young women with Conorac, and he was like, Oh, 481 00:41:21.480 --> 00:41:23.159 it's fine, he's with me, nothing to worry about it. I'll just 482 00:41:23.199 --> 00:41:29.679 take him upstairs. It's fine. And the women were like, what do 483 00:41:29.719 --> 00:41:32.079 you mean he's with you? You're a grown ass man. This is an 484 00:41:32.159 --> 00:41:37.519 actual child, and I'm pretty sure he's covered in blood and it's fully he 485 00:41:37.679 --> 00:41:42.559 wasn't covered in blood, but he had like say, like a trickle, 486 00:41:43.719 --> 00:41:47.159 but he wasn't mean that's enough, like you know. Yeah. So Jeffrey 487 00:41:47.239 --> 00:41:52.239 was trying to take Connorac back into the building, but the three women wouldn't 488 00:41:52.280 --> 00:41:55.679 let him. He told that the He told women that Connor was his friend 489 00:41:55.760 --> 00:42:01.000 and he just said too much to drink. Women did not believe this for 490 00:42:01.079 --> 00:42:07.559 a second. The women managed to keep Jeffrey and out on the streets when 491 00:42:07.719 --> 00:42:15.519 two officers arrived, John Blassarak and Joseph Gabrish. And I am only saying 492 00:42:15.599 --> 00:42:21.639 these names because these men should be absolutely disgusted with themselves ashamed. Jeffrey was 493 00:42:21.719 --> 00:42:24.920 fully cooperative with the police, answering all of the questions. He gave them 494 00:42:25.000 --> 00:42:30.440 his name, his address. He told the two officers that Conorac was his 495 00:42:30.559 --> 00:42:35.000 nineteen year old boyfriend and that he had he just had too much to drink. 496 00:42:35.599 --> 00:42:38.480 He then told police that Conorac often acted like this after a night of 497 00:42:38.599 --> 00:42:45.360 drinking. The three women didn't believe any of Jeffrey's story, obviously, and 498 00:42:45.480 --> 00:42:49.760 they began arguing that the boy looked way too young to be nineteen years of 499 00:42:49.840 --> 00:42:54.360 age. The officers got annoyed by the women, one of them shouting quote, 500 00:42:54.400 --> 00:42:57.519 shut the hell up and don't tell me how to do my job. 501 00:42:58.239 --> 00:43:01.239 Jeffrey said that it was hard to tell the age of Asian people because they 502 00:43:01.360 --> 00:43:07.320 always look younger than they are. Wow, okay, casual racism. Jeffrey 503 00:43:07.360 --> 00:43:12.119 told the police officers that they were more than welcome to escort the couple back 504 00:43:12.159 --> 00:43:15.840 to the apartment where he had pictures that he had taken off his boyfriend, 505 00:43:16.000 --> 00:43:22.960 where he still has Tony's body on the floor. Jeffrey used these pictures to 506 00:43:22.119 --> 00:43:25.920 prove that Conorac was his partner. Now, he had taken these photos earlier 507 00:43:25.960 --> 00:43:30.079 on that day, but it just helped him that Conorac was now naked, 508 00:43:30.199 --> 00:43:32.320 so he wasn't in the same outfit. So he was like, look, 509 00:43:32.360 --> 00:43:38.800 we took these couple photos together. The police accepted Jeffrey's story. However, 510 00:43:39.039 --> 00:43:44.159 when Jeffrey opened the door to his apartment, they got a strong smell. 511 00:43:45.159 --> 00:43:49.639 The police entered the apartment to have a quick look around. They were about 512 00:43:49.719 --> 00:43:52.519 to enter Jeffrey's bedroom, which is where Tony's body was still lying on the 513 00:43:52.559 --> 00:43:58.480 floor, but the officer then decided that it was none of his concern. 514 00:44:00.599 --> 00:44:05.119 The officers then told Jeoffrey quote does take care of em. As they left 515 00:44:05.239 --> 00:44:14.559 the apartment. Within any hour of police leaving, Conac was murdered. If 516 00:44:14.639 --> 00:44:17.960 the police had bothered to go back and do a background check on Jeffrey, 517 00:44:19.440 --> 00:44:22.599 they would have found that he was on probation for the sexual assault of Connarract's 518 00:44:22.639 --> 00:44:31.079 brother. The two officers, Joseph Gabrich and John Buszak, got back into 519 00:44:31.159 --> 00:44:37.800 their squad car and over the police scanner made a comment about how it was 520 00:44:37.360 --> 00:44:44.079 a quote, domestic squabble between two homosexuals, and then went on to say 521 00:44:44.159 --> 00:44:47.599 that they were planning to go back to the precinct to be quote deloused, 522 00:44:49.079 --> 00:44:52.960 No flay, Really fucking great a police work here, the two of you. 523 00:44:53.559 --> 00:45:00.679 You should die just feeling so fulfilled that you really don everything in your 524 00:45:01.320 --> 00:45:07.639 power given to you as a police officer to serve and protect the people. 525 00:45:08.239 --> 00:45:12.639 The one award. Actually, I know. One of the women that had 526 00:45:12.719 --> 00:45:16.599 called the police, her mother, Glenda Cleveland, called for an update on 527 00:45:16.800 --> 00:45:22.719 the boy. She rang several times, and every time she called she was 528 00:45:22.800 --> 00:45:29.360 brushed off. When Glenda saw Connorract's missing person's poster, she rang police again, 529 00:45:30.199 --> 00:45:36.360 but was ignored by her concerns. When Jeffrey was eventually arrested, both 530 00:45:36.519 --> 00:45:42.360 officers were investigated and they were fired for gross negligence. However, John fought 531 00:45:42.519 --> 00:45:46.039 his dismissal. Quote at the time, with the information we had to this 532 00:45:46.320 --> 00:45:51.360 day, I think we'd done the appropriate thing, the best we could. 533 00:45:52.320 --> 00:45:55.159 You couldn't even open the bedroom door. You, as a police officer, 534 00:45:55.280 --> 00:46:00.639 you know what decomposition smells like. I'm sorry, as a and like, 535 00:46:00.559 --> 00:46:06.760 as a police officer in these bigger areas, you definitely know what de comp 536 00:46:06.800 --> 00:46:10.320 smells like. You do you know because they were gay, Well, because 537 00:46:10.400 --> 00:46:15.880 Jeffrey was gay, you didn't care. You let your prejudice prejudice absolutely like 538 00:46:16.159 --> 00:46:21.880 just ruined the lives of multiple people. In nineteen ninety four, the two 539 00:46:21.960 --> 00:46:25.760 officers were reinstated and worked as police officers until the day that they both retired. 540 00:46:28.400 --> 00:46:31.760 So I have no words. Yeah, I just think it's absolutely disgusting 541 00:46:31.960 --> 00:46:37.000 what these I think, like these police officers, I really hope to hell. 542 00:46:37.039 --> 00:46:45.239 And I'm not saying that they're responsible for Conoract's death because obviously Jeffrey is 543 00:46:45.320 --> 00:46:50.719 responsible. Jeffrey done it. I hope these men never slept a night in 544 00:46:50.719 --> 00:46:55.599 their life ever. Fucking again, you walked him back into that apartment, 545 00:46:57.119 --> 00:47:00.159 and I'm sorry you walked him back into that apartment knowing right well he was 546 00:47:00.239 --> 00:47:05.079 not nineteen, because there is a difference between nineteen year olds and fourteen year 547 00:47:05.119 --> 00:47:10.320 olds. M No. They literally charged him back to his death. Yeah, 548 00:47:10.519 --> 00:47:15.159 and they just they just didn't care because of his age, because of 549 00:47:15.480 --> 00:47:23.840 oh he's a gay. Literally gonna leave it there for this evening because I 550 00:47:23.960 --> 00:47:29.760 feel like that's enough trauma. Feel like that is enough trauma for one evening. 551 00:47:30.079 --> 00:47:37.920 Absolutely is so horrific and awful. The crimes that he's committing are horrific 552 00:47:38.000 --> 00:47:42.440 and awful. But when I read about those two police officers, I was 553 00:47:42.559 --> 00:47:46.800 literally somad because I was like, I was like, you literally walked in, 554 00:47:47.039 --> 00:47:52.880 smelt the d comp and then just decided to yourself, I was gonna 555 00:47:52.920 --> 00:47:58.079 leave because they're gay, so m and like, you're walking towards the bedroom 556 00:47:58.159 --> 00:48:00.639 door, You're telling me that the smell isn't getting stronger as you get to 557 00:48:00.719 --> 00:48:04.719 the door, and then you just decide, you know what, none of 558 00:48:04.760 --> 00:48:07.840 my business, not my concern. He had been lying there for three days 559 00:48:08.400 --> 00:48:15.440 in May, like it's warm in May. They sure they knew there was 560 00:48:15.440 --> 00:48:16.760 a smell, they could smell it. They just are like, oh, 561 00:48:16.840 --> 00:48:21.719 no, there's somebody out there breaking an open container lots somewhere or jaywalking. 562 00:48:21.880 --> 00:48:25.079 We really need to get them, literally. And it's the fact that then 563 00:48:25.800 --> 00:48:31.639 Glenda Rang when she saw the missing posters, being like, this boy was 564 00:48:31.800 --> 00:48:37.760 like literally like in my apartment complex, or I don't think she was. 565 00:48:37.880 --> 00:48:39.079 I think she was a neighbor. I don't think she she's living the same 566 00:48:39.360 --> 00:48:43.599 apartment, but you know, like she was like, he was in my 567 00:48:43.800 --> 00:48:47.360 area the night he went missing. Police walked him up, you walked him 568 00:48:47.400 --> 00:48:52.199 into an apartment, and they were just like yeah, yeah, yeah, 569 00:48:52.199 --> 00:48:57.360 that's fine. Yeah. But the second she even mentioned the police brought him 570 00:48:57.400 --> 00:49:00.199 back, they're going to be like, nah, I'm sure he was fine. 571 00:49:00.239 --> 00:49:04.760 It's nothing to do with us. What the worst thing is is that 572 00:49:05.159 --> 00:49:10.159 his brother some sack, had ran back home, gone to the police and 573 00:49:10.400 --> 00:49:15.559 trusted that the system was going to make sure that this would never happen to 574 00:49:15.800 --> 00:49:21.119 anybody else again, and then it happens to his own brother it happens to 575 00:49:22.239 --> 00:49:27.880 the family. Like so later on, during like Jeffrey's trial and stuff like 576 00:49:27.960 --> 00:49:30.559 that, like a few family members speak out and I don't know if I 577 00:49:30.639 --> 00:49:34.199 have it in my notes or not, but like this family were like, 578 00:49:35.000 --> 00:49:39.199 why did you target us? Like you did this not once but twice to 579 00:49:39.280 --> 00:49:46.199 our family. Yeah, I hope they sued the police department or the city. 580 00:49:47.639 --> 00:49:52.599 There is a lot of suing that happens later on in life. Some 581 00:49:52.760 --> 00:49:57.880 of it is towards Lionel. It's just an all around sad situation for everybody, 582 00:49:58.320 --> 00:50:01.559 for everybody. Um, next week, I'll do the final episode. 583 00:50:01.559 --> 00:50:05.599 And I'm sorry it's in three parts. It's just there's a lot, unfortunately, 584 00:50:06.320 --> 00:50:09.000 and and I don't want to skip out on any of them because they're 585 00:50:09.000 --> 00:50:15.760 all so important. M yeah, absolutely, So next week I'll talk about 586 00:50:15.760 --> 00:50:22.920 the final few murders and I'll talk about his arrest and Karen Karmen gets them 587 00:50:22.199 --> 00:50:27.079 a song. I'm gonna say, Karmen gets the Okay, Well, we'll 588 00:50:27.079 --> 00:50:31.760 see you next week. Guys. Oh, we never did otros and we 589 00:50:31.920 --> 00:50:37.360 have no time left orgy go follow us on social media's and give us mark 590 00:50:37.400 --> 00:50:45.239 everywhere. We're running out of time Ah'll find it. Check our show notes 591 00:50:45.320 --> 00:50:49.760 for our social media's check us out on Apple and Spotify and wherever else you 592 00:50:49.800 --> 00:51:06.199 get your podcast. Okay, it's Nanja bye and don't