I'm also I'm just gonna apologize in advance, Cottle turn on the dishwasher.
God damn it, cattle she had gurgling over there between your dishwasher and your
fridge. They'd be singing the song of their people. They'd be like,
feature of not for free, okay, unbranded dishwasher. I'm like, they
probably have a brand, but I refused to say the brand on this show
point sponsors. They're gonna be like, y'all need some chill here, have
a mini fridge. I wouldn't say no to a mini fridge of them being
I love a mini fridge. Where would I put it, I don't know,
but i'd find us. I feel like I want a mini fridge for
all of the times that I don't have barbecues. You know, back in
the day when we'd have people over, we had a little mini fridge and
we would like plug it in an extension need so that it could commit so
trash and just put alcohol in it. Oh let you say that, But
in my old home house we had a drinks fridge. Oh yes, capt
fucking tigger, let's go. Those were the dates, Oh say radio,
anyway, let's introduce ourselves. Hi, welcome back to give us Mark,
me him, Megan and you are listening to another episode and we appreciate that
where openings are always so weird. I did it stretched off slow, you
know, and then by the end of it it's like, oh god,
please think it stop. Oh wait, I have a pause phone. Anyways,
welcome back, and you're in for it. So it's I'm just gonna
say, you've done this to yourself. Yeah, there's not gonna be any
any laughs this week. I know last week we kind of we could get
away with a bit of the funnies here and there. M Yeah, however,
not so much this episode. And I will put I will say just
a little disclaimer. Some of what happens here is not so great and happens
to quite young boys. So if that is too much for you, I
really do advise that you turn away, because like, I get it,
I researched it. I never then get you know. That was one of
Linda's favorite songs and so my we live obviously in the same time as Megan
does now, but before that we loved up in Dublin and we used to
travel to go see like my relatives up there because all my relatives are from
Dublin, and I've spent many a night in the backseat of the care because
I was only like eight, too young to be the front you know yourself,
And Linda does beat the last and turn around bride guys. No,
mine was, um, Shania Twain, that was I'm Pink. My mom
loved Pink as well. Pink is pretty awesome, so I'll give her that.
I would take Shania Twain over Pink and a heartbeat. I am like
music wise, Pink's new stuff now today, absolutely her older stuff like um,
I'm coming so you better get the start. I'm kinda that was pop.
Yeah, that still goes hard. Oh my god. Yeah, but
you know Shania Twain, Let's go girls. No, no, no,
no, nothing will ever beat the feeling, just the like I don't like
the lightning that just takes over my body when she's like, let's go girls,
It's just like, oh yeah, I'll go fucking Faraoh like a rabid
animal. It's like yeah, And then the song's over and you're like,
where am I. He've tunneled through like three houses, You've made it through
a fucking dumpster. You like wake up in the middle of a Field and
you're just like, how did I get here? It's my place? Sni
are Twain And yeah, well that was a music hour with Give Us More.
Last week, a movie hour we had, No, we had a
movie hour the week before last, and then we had music hour last week
with Power and now we're back to Yeah, next week I will be able
to tell you about um a play because we're going to see Misery in the
Amazing is great. Wait is it going to be an English or I don't
know? So I okay. The ad came open my Facebook and it didn't
mentioned what language it was going to be in. And it's either going to
be Maltese, which is going to be amazing, which is like I'm not
going to understand a single fucking word, or it's going to be in English
with Maltese accent I assume unless they've done like some training to get rid of
their accent. Either way, iconic, it's going to be amazing. Last
week, Oh my god, last week for Valentine's Day? Did I mention
this last recording? I don't know if you did or know that we went
to go we went to go see a magician. No did I tell you?
No? You didn't tell me about this magician. Oh okay, so
for Valentine' So I was like, I really wanted to be special and we
never celebrate Valentine. I really wanted to be special. Well you know,
so the place is called Chamber of Mysteries, right, and we get dinner
on the show. Right. Cool? We go. So we have this
little old man as our waiter, and I didn't know what to get from
my main and I was like, would you get the risotto or the chicken
breast? And he looks at Nile and he like cups his own chest and
he's like, I'm I'm a breast man. I prefer the breast, like,
oh okay. And then he comes to dessert and like we're having wine.
So when they ask us if we want coffee, we're like no,
no, it's okay, thank you. He goes to Nile. He cold
like goes to half whisper into his ear and it's like, are you sure
you don't want to stay up tonight for the day? That's in it?
Dirty old man? Yeah, but like you done it in a funny way.
So it was like ha ha, you know butt, And I was
like, excuse me, sir, I am still in my prime get home
falls asleep. But it was. It was very good in all and would
recommend a great night if you don't want to go out and just get drunk
for your date. Just that sounds honestly to be honest. Oh, he
got us both involved in the actual show itself. It was a wild time
anyway. Now the magic portion is officially over, so let's get into the
case. So obviously last week we talked about Last week we talked about his
early life and like his childhood, growing up and all that stuff, and
we also talked about his first two murders. So yeah, I guess this
week we're just gonna delve more into it. And I have a funny feeling
it might possibly have to be three parts just because there is a there is
a lot here unfortunately, so I'm just gonna literally jump straight in. On
January sixteenth, nineteen eighty eight, Jeffrey met fourteen year old Jane James Docks
to tour outside of a nightclub. Jeffrey offered James fifty dollars to spend the
night with him. The pair went back to Jeffrey's grandmother's house and they had
sex. Because Jeffrey is still living in his grandmother's spare room at this moment
in time. At about four am, James told Jeffrey that he had to
start heading home because at the end of the day he is only fourteen.
So he's like, yeah, no, like, I actually can't stay the
night, Like I have to go home. Yeah. Jeffrey offered him one
last drink and he spiked it. James passed out in Jeffrey's arms. Jeffrey
then strangled James to death. He then put James's body in the basement and
came back up and he had breakfast with his grandmother. I don't understand.
This is his third murder. He's done it right under his grandmother's own nose,
and then he just goes opened casually has breakfast literally with her. For
about a week after the murder, Efrey would go down to the basement at
night and he would lay with James's body. So James's body is still there
a week after the murder. Surely Jeffrey's grandmother is starting to think, okay,
two things, so they're starting to smell and then also, what is
he going down there for? Oh, like he'd wait until she'd go to
bed to go down like, but also, yes, she does definitely notice
a smell. Okay. He eventually crushed all of the bones and cut the
body into small pieces and he put them out for the trash. His grandmother
started to notice a smell in the house, and it was because he was
trying to preserve James's skull, but once again it became true to brittle and
he had to throw it away. And any time that his grandmother would be
like, Jeffrey, what is that rancher ass smell, He'd be like,
oh, I'm just doing taxidermy because that's what the father had shown him years
go. So he was like, that's just my hobby and it can't smile
and I'm sorry about that. And the grandmother was just like, right,
okay, I mean sure, I guess I don't know. Maybe it's different
because you know, he was doing it and his dad's done it. But
I'd be like, in my home, no, and you can also show
me what you're doing, because what you know, do you get me?
I would want to see it. I one thousand percent. And look,
I think for her it was a case of she was just like an old
lady who was just like right, Okay, he's just doing taxidermy. It's
just a weird kid. I guess. Imagine you live your whole life and
it's relatively normal, and then your fucking grandson moves in when you're elderly and
like supposed to be living your best life, and he's fucking murdering people in
your head, and then you just think it's taxidermy, and you're like,
oh, I guess, okay, I guess. I mean you're weird.
Whatever it means. You're not out like drinking, So that's good. Which
would you prefer? I would rather my house didn't smell of dead people.
But she doesn't know it's dead people. She thinks it's dead rodents. I'm
just gonna say that's still just bad. Like In February nineteen eighty eight,
a month after the murder of James, Jeffrey tried to pick up twenty seven
year old Bobby Dwayne Simpson the Pyramid at a bar and Jeffrey took him home.
Jeffrey tried to spike Bobby's drink. However, the drugs were off quicker
than expected because Bobby is a twenty seven year old man, not a fourteen
year old child, so they don't take the same dosage. Jeffrey, God,
Jeffrey, Jeffrey really done a damner on that one. Huh, silly
goose. Jeffrey had no other option than to just let him leave unharmed,
and he just was like, oh wow, you must have just got really
drunk. Bobby was just like fucking out of here. On March twenty fourth,
nineteen eighty eight, Jeffrey met twenty two year old Richard Guerrero at a
bear Jeffrey offered Richard some money to spend the night with him. He then
drugged Richard and strangled him to death before crushing his bones and disposing of the
body. Sorry, that was like over in the blink of an eye.
Yeah, a lot of these will be because there is just honestly, there's
a lot of them. So he kind of he just he has the same
mo for pretty much all of it. And sometimes he hangs on to their
body for a little while, and then sometimes he just discards of it like
immediately. And I don't mean this to send recrued and like disrespectful to some
of the victims. I think it had mostly to do with how attracted he
was to them, is how long he would keep them. Well, that's
not just based on sexual preferences, because he would take not sexual physical appearances,
he would take time to get to know them before he'd done anything.
I found it like sometimes right, yeah, no, Like he doesn't have
like a sexual preference, as in, like he doesn't like prefer a particular
like hair type. Yeah, he doesn't have a type. But I think
the more attracted he was to a certain person, the longer he would hold
on to their body and try preserve that, where then other times it was
just more so the thrill of the kill and the disposing of it, if
you get me, m I think it just depended on his mood, which
is gross as fuck. So the following weekend, Jeffrey took home another man,
twenty five year old Ronald Flowers Junior. However, when they got back
to the house, Jeffrey's grandmother was still awake, and she shouted down the
stairs, jet is that you, Jeff? Like she was like, fuck's
going on? Because any other time he brought someone back like she was past
the fuck out of sleep because she was an old lady living her best life
as she should. Jeff told his grandmother he was making a cup of coffee,
and he sent her back to bed. He gave Ronald a spiked cup
of coffee, but felt too nervous about killing him. With his grandmother awake,
he helped a drugged up Ronald to a bus stop. He then put
Ronald on a bus and left him alone at a random ass destination. So
he walked this man to a bus, put him on the bus, and
then he went home. And the bus was at like the last top,
and you know, it was like sorry to get off now. It was
better than the alternative. Oh absolutely. Several days later, Ronald woke up
in the hospital with no memory of how he got there. Ronald told police
about the last thing that he could remember, which was going home with a
man named Jeffrey Dahmer. The next day, police called to visit Jeffrey and
they questioned him about Ronald, but obviously Jeffrey just told him that Ronald had
too much to drink and he tried to help him to a bus stop,
and whatever happened after that, Jeffrey couldn't be sure. The police had no
evidence that Jeffrey had done any harm to Ronald, so they just dropped the
investigation, which listen I get the guy had no physical harm on him,
So how do you prove that Jeffrey did drug him? Do you know what
I mean? Yeah, I wouldn't say they're like running any you know,
talks screens on his blood. Like if he admitted he had been drinking and
stuff like that. As soon as police would have heard that he went home
with another guy, they would have just straight up lost interest. M Jeffrey's
grandmother had asked Jeffrey if he could move out because the smell in the basement
was just too bad. And again he was claiming that this was from taxidermy.
Like she was like, hunt, sweetie, cutie pie, I love
you, but the fuck is that smell? Get out of my house?
Please say I can't take it no more. She's right, Like to they
put, how weird is it that you would have to go and tell your
friends at Bingo that you had to kick your son out because your grandson out
because the smell from his taxidermy was stinking up your house so bad. Yeah,
Like, I'm not gonna want to tell Susie about that. No,
Jeffrey managed to find himself an apartment and on September twenty sixth, nineteen eighty
eight, Jeffrey met thirteen year old some sack synthosom phone. He asked some
Sack if he would be interested in earning some money. Keep in mind he
is thirteen. All he had to do was let Jeffrey take some pictures of
him. Jeffrey offered him fifty dollars for one hour. Some Sack asked if
these photos would have to be nude, and Jeffrey told him that it didn't
matter whichever he was more comfortable with. Some Sack agreed and went over to
Jeffrey's apartment to take some polaroid pictures. Jeffrey then gave the young boy a
spiked coffee. Before the drugs had fully kicked in, Jeffrey began trying to
take off some sex's clothes. The young boy quickly copped on to what Jeffrey
was trying to do, and he managed to escape Jeffrey's apartment and he ran
all the way home. He managed to make it home before passing out from
the drugs. His parents rang the police immediately, because first of all,
it's the thirteen year old son, like what the hell? And then second
of all, he wasn't like a kid that was into drugs. Yeah,
I mean he's only a baby. Sum Sack was able to show the police
where Jeffrey lived, like he was able to tell them like where he went.
And the police then searched Jeffrey's apartment and they found a bottle of sleeping
pills and the photos that Jeffrey had managed to take off some Sack. Jeffrey
was then arrested for second degree sexual harassment. He spent six days in jail
before Lionel posted his bail. Lionel then hired Gerald Boyle to represent Jeffrey in
the trial. Gerald ordered Jeffrey to undergo a psychological evaluation. This brought to
light Jeffrey's deep feelings of alienation and how he was an impulsive individual. However,
Jeffrey was found guilty of the crime, and while he was awaiting Entenson,
he committed another murder. The absolute neck like he is no that you
just said, He's was literally proven to be impulsive, like he is absolutely
no control, like he's just yeah, I'm just gonna go do that.
And so before we do do that, we'll just jump on into and I'd
break On March twenty fifth, nineteen eighty nine, Jeffrey met twenty four year
old Anthony Sears. Jeffrey claimed he had knock gone out with the intention of
picking up a victim when Anthony quote just started looking at me. Oh he
was really asking for it. Huh, Please note my sarcasm. He made
eye contact, you know, obviously. Yeah, Jeffrey brought Anthony back to
his home and had sex with him. When Anthony tried to leave. Afterwards,
Jeffrey drugged him and strangled him to death. Jeffrey then disposed of the
body, but he kept the head and his genitals. That makes me violently
uncomfortable. I'm so sorry there had to happen to that man. He put
them in his locker at work, his work locker. What First of all,
who's hiring fucking Jeffrey Dahmer. He works at the Ambrosia factory, remember,
and yes, Ambrosier, that's for you. No, it is.
But why is your rice pudding so gross? Anyway? Trusting? Yeah,
I don't know if it's the same ambrosia, to be perfectly honest, very
well might not be to bring it to work, even though you have your
own apartment at this stage. It's because he knew he was like about to
be sentenced to Oh yeah, I forgot m Yeah. So he was like,
it'll be safe in my work locker, as if they're not ever going
to look there, and it's not going to start to smell. And your
manager doesn't have an extra key tier work locker, and if he doesn't,
he's not going to get a locksmith, and they're not going to find the
genitals and head that you have. They don't what they don't find the genital
holes in head. Ah, that's what's most annoying. No, like they
like, I mean like his boss, like nobody ever like is like,
what's the smell coming from jeff locker? I mean with an ambrosia factory,
probably stinks like shit anyway. On May twenty third, nineteen eighty nine,
Jeffrey was sentenced to five years probation, one year's jail time with work release.
What was that name? What was that date? Again? May twenty
third, that's my birthday and also two days after Jeffrey's birthday, So get
fucked happy birthday, bitch. He got five years probation with one year's jail
time, and with that jail time work release. That meant that Jeffrey was
allied out of prison to attend work six days a week. You just go
in to serve your silly little jail time for your silly little crime one day
a week. How is nettin? Jeffrey was then released from prison two months
early in March nineteen ninety. He only had to do twelve months jail time,
and he only did ten for trying to sexually assault a thirteen year old
boy. I'meric mercle. Can't even say anything because like everywhere, I mean,
Arland was covering up babies murders at that stage, so like we have
our own ship. But you know, you know, yeah. Jeffrey had
got leniency from the judge by writing a letter in which he stated that quote,
I'm an alcoholic and a homosexual with sexual problems. We're just stating the
obvious facts here, kid, don't say. Lionel had also written a letter
to the judge asking to help Jeffrey. So basically this letter was like,
look, listen, my boys troubled. I'm well aware my boys troubled,
but like, please don't do this to him, and like we'll get him
into shape. And the judge was like, you know what, that sounds
good to me the military. The US Army could not get this boy into
shape. But Lionel's like, I'll do it. Lionel, you couldn't even
keep him. You've shipped him off to your grandmother's or to your mother's.
Lionel does not whip him into shape. When Jeffrey was released from prison,
he got himself an apartment at Oxford Apartments in Milwaukee. Shortly after moving in
in May nineteen ninety, just two months after being released from prison, Jeffrey
met thirty three year old Raymond Smith at a local nightclub. Jeffrey offered Raymond
fifty dollars to go back to his apartment to take some pictures. Once they
got into Jeffrey's apartment, Raymond was immediately drugged, and Jeffrey then proceeded to
strangle him to death. Jeffrey then took photos of Raymond's body posed in different
positions as a little memento, you know, for later on. That's just
so upsetting. Jeffrey then set up a shrine in his room. This was
somewhere for him to keep the skulls of his victims. He hung up a
black tablecloth and a winged mythical creature to symbolize the devil. I can't remember
what that creatures called, but you know it, He later said, quote
it was my way of remembering their hearings, their physical beauty. I also
wanted to keep them. If I couldn't keep them there with me whole,
at least I could keep their skeleton, all right. YEA, just feeling
here that you have abandonment issues just makes I don't know where you're getting that
from. I just never want them to leave me ever, even in death.
I'll just keep their skulls. It'll be fine. Yeah. Jeffrey painted
some of the skulls with an off white paint in order to make them look
more like decorations. Just in case anyone was like, what's that, He'd
just be like, oh, that's a little silly, little decoration. Jeffrey
had an eighty gallon pot that he used to boil the victim's bones in.
Then when everything was dissolved, dissolved, he would pour it down the drain.
You would pour it was like acid, was it? Yeah, he'd
pour that down the drain. I don't understand how that works, because I
feel like acid isn't going to dissolve everything. And then also is that not
going to totally fuck up your your pipeline. And he was living in an
apartment complex. Yeah, yeah, I have so many questions, but not
that one is not answered. About a week after murdering Raymond, Jeffrey lard
another young man back to his apartment. Jeffrey attempted to drug the young man,
but Jeffrey got confused and drank the wrong cup and instead drugged himself ka.
After a while, Jeffrey passed out, and when he woke up the
next morning, his watch had been stolen, along with three thousand dollars.
Yeah no, sorry, three hundred dollars whoop, that's what get. Jeffrey
was naturally unable to report the crime because he was planning on murder during this
man, So have fucking big would you feel knowing that you got away with
that shit? Like later like being that guy and be like I have your
fucking watching your fucking money piece. Years later, he's like Jeffrey's arrested and
he's like, oh, oh that guy I robbed him. But that night,
like imagine noticing that Jeffrey very clearly, because it's say, it's really
obvious, like drugged his own drink and you're like what wait, wait a
minute, wait a second, that's probably why he robbed him. Yeah,
but like, you know what, fuck the ship. Then, on June
twenty third, nineteen ninety, Jeffrey met twenty seven year old Eddie Smith.
He told Eddie that he was a movie producer in order to lure Eddie back
to his apartment. I'm sure once Eddie saw the apartment he was like,
you're not a movie producer. No, no, no. Jeffrey then drugged
and strangled Eddie. Jeffrey then took photos of Eddie, but he wasn't satisfied
with them. He then decided to try and dry out Eddie's skull by placing
it in the microwaves. This caused Eddie's skull to explode. Jeffrey would later
claim that he felt bad about Eddie's murder as he felt it was a waste
and had been for nothing. Oh, had been for nothing. All of
your murders were for nothing other than your own sexual gross greed. Imagine what
a violent thing to say. Yeah, just being like, oh, that
murder was a waste. Excuse me, sir. That was somebody's like son,
that was his life. Yeah, and that murder was a waste.
Your life is a waste, Jeffrey, Your life is a waste. Yeah.
Then on July sixth, nineteen ninety, Jeffrey met a young male and
lured him back to the apartment. The pair had sex and then fell asleep
All that night. Jeffrey was waiting on the man to say that he was
leaving, so that he could be like, let me just get you a
drink and I'll drug you and kill you. However, the guy never did.
The guy was like, kind of like you yeah. The man ended
up staying the night, and then the next morning asked if they could meet
up later that day when he was leaving. The pair met up the following
night, on July eighth, nineteen ninety. When they got back to Jeffrey's
apartment, he had no more sleeping pills to drug him, so instead,
Jeffrey just picked up a mallet, snuck up behind him, and hit him
over the head with it. What he wasn't even going to leave though,
not Jeffrey was just like, m he's probably going to leave this time,
so I'll just like jump the gun and attack him. Jeffrey didn't hit the
young man hard enough, though, and the pair got into a fight.
They eventually tired themselves out, and the young man told Jeffrey that he was
like, look, I'll forgive you. I'm not going to tell anyone about
the assault. It's all good. Like I hit you back, so we're
even, and Jeffrey let him go. Jeffrey was like, cool, thanks
man, all right, I can't believe you let him go. Well,
I guess he couldn't fight him off anymore. That young man immediately ran to
the police. Yeah, he told them the whole story, but he asked
not to inform his foster parents that he was gay out of fear of being
thrown out of his foster home. How old is this guy? We don't
have his I don't have his name or his age, but if he's in
a foster home, he is under the age of eighteen. So in fact,
he could be even under the age of sixteen. I'm going to say
it's safe to assume he was under the age of eighteen. Wouldn't be completely
out of his world to pick up somebody that young. Anyway, the police
found this young man's story so bizarre, and they never went and questioned Jeffrey.
Excuse me. They were like that's a weird story. So he's probably
just soundcrack or something, you know, the gaze assert. What I'm assuming
is a young child came to you and said, I've been attacked by a
grown ass man. So we had just recently, like recently, I'm not
even talking about episodes from years ago that we've done where we had John Chimowski,
we had John Wayne Gacy, and we have Jeffrey Dahmer. M don't
they all have victims who went to the police that wouldn't believed did John Wayne
Gacy? Yeah, John Wayne Gacy, he had one kid that's that basically
told them everything that John did and John was like, no, that was
all consensual, and the police were like cool, cool, cool, Yeah,
that's right. But that's great. So far, just in our recent
kind of episodes, it's a common it's very frustrating, and even in the
most recent case, I'm like, we're tuteen now that happens in England,
Like that's in England in the seventies and eighties. I'm like ninety nine percent
sure that happened with Fred and Rose West as well. Like it's just so
annoying that it's so common that police are just like m okay, And there
is a part in this that what the police do is disgusting, disgusting.
Yeah. On September two, nineteen ninety, Jeffrey met twenty four year old
Ernest Miller outside of a bookstore. Jeffrey offered Earnest fifty dollars to go back
to his apartment and take some pictures. Jeffrey lay Earnest on the bed and
listened to his heart, and then he tried to give Earnest oral sex.
Ernest told Jeffrey, quote, that'll cost you extra, Okay, do what
you gotta do. He was like, you paid me fifty dollars for photos.
Jeffrey then cut Ernest's carotid artery with a knife, leaving him to bleed
out in a minute. He then took his photos of Ernest's body. Is
that for the first time he had, Sorry, I can finish every sensor,
No, no, m He just he then dismembered Earnest's body after he
took the photos. Yet, that's the first time he's like slit like that.
Yeah, Like he's never done that before. He's always up until this
point and pretty much after this point, this seems like a random like first
off, he drugs them, like he spikes their drink, and then while
they're out of it, then he strangles them. And it's when it's after
he strangles them to that it's when they're dead, is when he starts doing
all of his cutting and his such Like. He's such a fucking coward that
he can't even he has to drug them to do anything. He's such a
fucking coward. Jeffrey kept his biceps and other portions of his flesh in his
fridge. This was when Jeffrey began to consume the meat off of his victims.
He thought that cannibalism was a way of honoring them. Quote, it
made me feel they were even more a part of me, Jeffrey, Hun,
you just be and shit, Okay, you just be and shit.
Yeah, you're just sick, Like you're a sick person with a sick mind.
You don't need to come up with this like poetic shit. I thought
that, No, okay, just say that you're fucking sick and you wanted
to eat human flesh. Don't beat around the bush. On September twenty fourth,
nineteen ninety, Jeffrey met twenty three year old David Thomas at a local
mall. Jeffrey offered David money back to his apartment to take some photos and
have a few beers. Jeffrey then drugged David. When David had passed out,
Jeffrey decided that he wasn't attracted to him, but he panicked that if
jeff that if David woke up, that he would try call the police,
or he would tell the police because he brought this man back to his apartment
one thousand percent sober, you know, probably drugged him with coffee and was
like, fucking shit head, I explained this, Yeah, So Jeffrey decided
that the only solution was to kill him. Jeffrey strangled David and disposed of
his body. And Jeffrey didn't kill for several months after this, and he
claims that he felt really guilty about it, but that basically it wasn't until
after he had drugged him. He was like, I don't find him attractive.
Oh, I feel so bad for taking somebody's life that I didn't even
do it. For a couple of months, I didn't I couldn't even kill
anybody for like a while. Oh my god, it took me a whole
few months. Then on February eighteenth, nineteen ninety one, Jeffrey met seventeen
year old Curtis Stratter at a bus station. Curtis was an aspiring model,
so when Jeffrey offered him money to take some headshots, he felt like he
just had to say yes because he was seventeen. Jeffrey then drugged and strangled
Curtis once that they got to his apartment. Jeffrey then disposed of Curtis's body,
but kept his hands, skull and genitals. Then, on April seventh,
nineteen ninety one, Jeffrey met nineteen year old Errol Lindsay. Jeffrey once
again offered Errol money in exchange for some photos. Jeffrey drugged and strangled Errol.
Jeffrey then flayed the skin off Errol's body. No thank you. He
placed the skin in salt water an attempt to preserve it, but was unsuccessful.
For somebody that spent a lot of his childhood preserving shit, he wasn't
very good at it. No. On May twenty fourth, nineteen ninety one,
Jeffrey met thirty one year old deaf model Tony Hughes at a local nightclub.
And this is the guy that Netflix put a lot of emphasis on but
watching the documentary, Tony knew Jeffrey for sure. They had met a couple
of times before, just because they were about gay men circling the same nightclubs
and stuff, and one friend, I think, mentions that they possibly did
hook up together multiple times, but it was not in the context that the
series put it in. So I think that the series meshed Tony with the
unnamed guy and that they kind of just mixed the two a little bit together
to try to create this story. Tony's friend drove them to Jeffrey's block,
but Jeffrey wouldn't like let the friend drive to the apartment block, just to
the estate block that you know what they call a block. I have no
idea what's a block, what's a meter, what's a fun like, what's
a yard? I don't get it from my understanding. Basically, he let
Tony's friend drive them to the top of the estate, but wouldn't let him
like drive in to where the apartment block would have been, so that he
wouldn't know where he lived. Yeah, Jeffrey and Tony sat in the backseat
writing notes to one another. That was the last time that Tony's friend ever
saw him. Jeffrey drugged and strangled Tony to death, and he left Tony's
body lying decomposing on the bedroom floor of his apartment. And Tony's friend was
actually interviewed and was heavily considered a suspect for many years because he didn't know
I believe he didn't know Jeffrey's name, so he was just like, I
dropped my friend off with a guy at the top of this block here,
and then the police were like sharded shaded. So that was on May twenty
fourth. Then on May twenty seventh, nineteen ninety one, Jeffrey picked up
fourteen year old Connorac Synthasophone, the brother of some Sack. Jeffrey did not
know at the time that the two boys had that the two boys were related.
He just saw a young boy that he wanted to take home. Jeffrey
took Connorac back to his apartment, where Tony's body was still lying on the
bedroom floor. Jeffrey drugged Connor When Conaract passed out, Jeffrey decided he wanted
to try out an experiment that he had previously failed. In this experiment,
after raping the young boy, Jeffrey drilled a hole into the top of Connorac's
head an injected muriatic acid Jeffrey wanted to wanted this to turn his victims into
a zombie like trance to stop them from wanting to leave. At around one
am, Jeffrey had finished with his experiment and he left Connorak unconscious on the
sitting room floor to go and buy some more beers. While Jeffrey was out,
Conorac regained consciousness and managed to escape from the apartment. He made his
way to the streets. He was completely naked and could barely walk or talk.
He had a fucking hole in his head. Three young women found Connorac
in this state and they called nine one one. They got a blank get
they placed it around the young boy to keep him warm and to cover him
up, and they waited with him while they waited on the police. Whilst
they were waiting on police, Jeffrey had come back from buying the beer.
He found three young women with Conorac, and he was like, Oh,
it's fine, he's with me, nothing to worry about it. I'll just
take him upstairs. It's fine. And the women were like, what do
you mean he's with you? You're a grown ass man. This is an
actual child, and I'm pretty sure he's covered in blood and it's fully he
wasn't covered in blood, but he had like say, like a trickle,
but he wasn't mean that's enough, like you know. Yeah. So Jeffrey
was trying to take Connorac back into the building, but the three women wouldn't
let him. He told that the He told women that Connor was his friend
and he just said too much to drink. Women did not believe this for
a second. The women managed to keep Jeffrey and out on the streets when
two officers arrived, John Blassarak and Joseph Gabrish. And I am only saying
these names because these men should be absolutely disgusted with themselves ashamed. Jeffrey was
fully cooperative with the police, answering all of the questions. He gave them
his name, his address. He told the two officers that Conorac was his
nineteen year old boyfriend and that he had he just had too much to drink.
He then told police that Conorac often acted like this after a night of
drinking. The three women didn't believe any of Jeffrey's story, obviously, and
they began arguing that the boy looked way too young to be nineteen years of
age. The officers got annoyed by the women, one of them shouting quote,
shut the hell up and don't tell me how to do my job.
Jeffrey said that it was hard to tell the age of Asian people because they
always look younger than they are. Wow, okay, casual racism. Jeffrey
told the police officers that they were more than welcome to escort the couple back
to the apartment where he had pictures that he had taken off his boyfriend,
where he still has Tony's body on the floor. Jeffrey used these pictures to
prove that Conorac was his partner. Now, he had taken these photos earlier
on that day, but it just helped him that Conorac was now naked,
so he wasn't in the same outfit. So he was like, look,
we took these couple photos together. The police accepted Jeffrey's story. However,
when Jeffrey opened the door to his apartment, they got a strong smell.
The police entered the apartment to have a quick look around. They were about
to enter Jeffrey's bedroom, which is where Tony's body was still lying on the
floor, but the officer then decided that it was none of his concern.
The officers then told Jeoffrey quote does take care of em. As they left
the apartment. Within any hour of police leaving, Conac was murdered. If
the police had bothered to go back and do a background check on Jeffrey,
they would have found that he was on probation for the sexual assault of Connarract's
brother. The two officers, Joseph Gabrich and John Buszak, got back into
their squad car and over the police scanner made a comment about how it was
a quote, domestic squabble between two homosexuals, and then went on to say
that they were planning to go back to the precinct to be quote deloused,
No flay, Really fucking great a police work here, the two of you.
You should die just feeling so fulfilled that you really don everything in your
power given to you as a police officer to serve and protect the people.
The one award. Actually, I know. One of the women that had
called the police, her mother, Glenda Cleveland, called for an update on
the boy. She rang several times, and every time she called she was
brushed off. When Glenda saw Connorract's missing person's poster, she rang police again,
but was ignored by her concerns. When Jeffrey was eventually arrested, both
officers were investigated and they were fired for gross negligence. However, John fought
his dismissal. Quote at the time, with the information we had to this
day, I think we'd done the appropriate thing, the best we could.
You couldn't even open the bedroom door. You, as a police officer,
you know what decomposition smells like. I'm sorry, as a and like,
as a police officer in these bigger areas, you definitely know what de comp
smells like. You do you know because they were gay, Well, because
Jeffrey was gay, you didn't care. You let your prejudice prejudice absolutely like
just ruined the lives of multiple people. In nineteen ninety four, the two
officers were reinstated and worked as police officers until the day that they both retired.
So I have no words. Yeah, I just think it's absolutely disgusting
what these I think, like these police officers, I really hope to hell.
And I'm not saying that they're responsible for Conoract's death because obviously Jeffrey is
responsible. Jeffrey done it. I hope these men never slept a night in
their life ever. Fucking again, you walked him back into that apartment,
and I'm sorry you walked him back into that apartment knowing right well he was
not nineteen, because there is a difference between nineteen year olds and fourteen year
olds. M No. They literally charged him back to his death. Yeah,
and they just they just didn't care because of his age, because of
oh he's a gay. Literally gonna leave it there for this evening because I
feel like that's enough trauma. Feel like that is enough trauma for one evening.
Absolutely is so horrific and awful. The crimes that he's committing are horrific
and awful. But when I read about those two police officers, I was
literally somad because I was like, I was like, you literally walked in,
smelt the d comp and then just decided to yourself, I was gonna
leave because they're gay, so m and like, you're walking towards the bedroom
door, You're telling me that the smell isn't getting stronger as you get to
the door, and then you just decide, you know what, none of
my business, not my concern. He had been lying there for three days
in May, like it's warm in May. They sure they knew there was
a smell, they could smell it. They just are like, oh,
no, there's somebody out there breaking an open container lots somewhere or jaywalking.
We really need to get them, literally. And it's the fact that then
Glenda Rang when she saw the missing posters, being like, this boy was
like literally like in my apartment complex, or I don't think she was.
I think she was a neighbor. I don't think she she's living the same
apartment, but you know, like she was like, he was in my
area the night he went missing. Police walked him up, you walked him
into an apartment, and they were just like yeah, yeah, yeah,
that's fine. Yeah. But the second she even mentioned the police brought him
back, they're going to be like, nah, I'm sure he was fine.
It's nothing to do with us. What the worst thing is is that
his brother some sack, had ran back home, gone to the police and
trusted that the system was going to make sure that this would never happen to
anybody else again, and then it happens to his own brother it happens to
the family. Like so later on, during like Jeffrey's trial and stuff like
that, like a few family members speak out and I don't know if I
have it in my notes or not, but like this family were like,
why did you target us? Like you did this not once but twice to
our family. Yeah, I hope they sued the police department or the city.
There is a lot of suing that happens later on in life. Some
of it is towards Lionel. It's just an all around sad situation for everybody,
for everybody. Um, next week, I'll do the final episode.
And I'm sorry it's in three parts. It's just there's a lot, unfortunately,
and and I don't want to skip out on any of them because they're
all so important. M yeah, absolutely, So next week I'll talk about
the final few murders and I'll talk about his arrest and Karen Karmen gets them
a song. I'm gonna say, Karmen gets the Okay, Well, we'll
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