WEBVTT 1 00:00:22.160 --> 00:00:25.199 I am six forty. It's later with mo Kelly. We're live everywhere on 2 00:00:25.320 --> 00:00:30.280 the iHeartRadio app and we'll see if tonight is a little bit different from last 3 00:00:30.440 --> 00:00:35.759 night. Hopefully nothing will be happening on the campus of UCLA or USC or 4 00:00:35.880 --> 00:00:41.159 UC or WIDN or any other campus in southern California. Hopefully tonight will be 5 00:00:41.240 --> 00:00:46.200 quieter for everyone involved, including law enforcement. By now, you know what 6 00:00:46.240 --> 00:00:50.399 has happened with UCLA that encampment. We thought it was going to be cleared 7 00:00:50.399 --> 00:00:55.880 out by law enforcement last night or maybe early in the morning, as in 8 00:00:56.000 --> 00:01:00.359 right after midnight, but it didn't turn out that way. But before dawn 9 00:01:00.600 --> 00:01:07.719 police started cleaning out the encampment. And to see how much trash after the 10 00:01:07.760 --> 00:01:17.400 fact was really dispiriting. How much vandalism was there was also dispiriting. But 11 00:01:17.560 --> 00:01:22.599 none of that compares to what some of the students had to say in the 12 00:01:22.599 --> 00:01:26.760 wake of police coming in and clearing out the encampment. Here are just some 13 00:01:26.879 --> 00:01:34.120 of the protesters who were speaking as police were coming in and during the removal 14 00:01:34.239 --> 00:01:38.120 of the encampment. Just off to our left, a gentleman to Peter, 15 00:01:38.319 --> 00:01:41.280 a graduate student here at ucl like he was speaking and just a moment ago, 16 00:01:41.359 --> 00:01:44.200 Peter. I know you're going through a lot this morning. The fact 17 00:01:44.200 --> 00:01:47.760 that you held out, you know, for the duration. What's going through 18 00:01:47.760 --> 00:01:51.239 your head this morning is you stand here in your message. Well, now 19 00:01:51.400 --> 00:01:56.599 the whole country knows that fascist thugs will attack students on university campuses. And 20 00:01:57.519 --> 00:02:01.359 what was that? What do you say? The whole country knows that fascist 21 00:02:01.480 --> 00:02:07.560 thugs will attack students son university campuses, and this how how did the police? 22 00:02:07.400 --> 00:02:12.520 Don't get me wrong, police are not above criticism, but how did 23 00:02:12.520 --> 00:02:17.159 the police turn into fascist thugs? Because they were doing as they were supposed 24 00:02:17.199 --> 00:02:24.280 to do and removing your dumb ass from the campus because it is illegal to 25 00:02:24.560 --> 00:02:30.719 encamp on private property. It's not like you have a right to be there. 26 00:02:30.759 --> 00:02:36.879 Now, the whole country knows that fascist thugs will attack students son university 27 00:02:36.879 --> 00:02:43.840 campuses in this country and attack attack. I mean, there are some questionable 28 00:02:43.960 --> 00:02:49.879 moments of interactions between law enforcement and the general public, but this isn't one 29 00:02:49.919 --> 00:02:52.879 of them. And the students will stand up to them, workers will stand 30 00:02:52.919 --> 00:02:54.240 up to them. When did you arrive? I've been here the whole time. 31 00:02:54.360 --> 00:02:58.159 You've been here four or five days. Oh, so you've been there 32 00:02:58.199 --> 00:03:05.080 four or five days after a lawful order to disperse was given to you and 33 00:03:05.159 --> 00:03:08.520 your friends, colleagues, I don't know, classmates, whatever. I've been 34 00:03:08.520 --> 00:03:12.240 here two days without sleep because we were attacked two days in a row. 35 00:03:12.680 --> 00:03:15.960 Oh oh, so now you're the victim because you were attacked two days in 36 00:03:16.000 --> 00:03:19.800 a row. You know why I didn't get attacked. I was at home. 37 00:03:20.199 --> 00:03:23.800 I was where I was supposed to be. I was not illegally squatting 38 00:03:23.879 --> 00:03:28.159 in the middle of the quad in front of Royce Hall. And if you 39 00:03:28.199 --> 00:03:31.039 didn't get any sleep, that's because you chose to squat in front of Royce 40 00:03:31.080 --> 00:03:35.240 Hall. I've been here two days without sleep because we are attacked two days 41 00:03:35.240 --> 00:03:38.800 in a row. You're the victim. He's the victim. They're all victims. 42 00:03:38.240 --> 00:03:42.039 You got additional supporters here on the steps leading down. What do you 43 00:03:42.039 --> 00:03:45.400 think about that? Well, that's great that people in the community are stepping 44 00:03:45.479 --> 00:03:51.599 up and supporting Pali sign If that's how you want to call it, okay, 45 00:03:51.680 --> 00:03:53.800 Well, yeah, I appreciate it. This is Peter, a graduate 46 00:03:53.840 --> 00:03:58.879 student here at UCLA. We have one more individual speaking how you guys refuse 47 00:03:59.039 --> 00:04:04.240 to leave Vegas plan We planned to keep this encampment until the university agreed to 48 00:04:04.280 --> 00:04:12.759 our demands. Wait a minute, You planned to stay there until the university 49 00:04:12.840 --> 00:04:15.759 gave in. You had no food, you had no running water, you 50 00:04:15.800 --> 00:04:18.240 had no right to be there, you had no legal right to be there, 51 00:04:18.680 --> 00:04:25.199 But you planned to stay there until U c l A gave in to 52 00:04:25.360 --> 00:04:30.519 your demands. Did I hear that? Right? Told the university agreed to 53 00:04:30.560 --> 00:04:32.800 our demands, but you knew that CUSP would eventually move in, right, 54 00:04:32.920 --> 00:04:38.920 We didn't know what how the university the police gave you a lawful order to 55 00:04:38.959 --> 00:04:41.959 disperse. Did you think that was a suggestion. Do you think that was 56 00:04:42.160 --> 00:04:45.800 a hint that was you know they were trying to coerce you, or was 57 00:04:45.839 --> 00:04:49.439 it a directive? I think it was the latter. We didn't know what 58 00:04:49.439 --> 00:04:54.360 how the university. You just we asked. We sat down today with Darnell 59 00:04:54.480 --> 00:04:58.040 Hunt. I know Darnell Hunt. Yeah, he's been back here before, 60 00:04:58.240 --> 00:05:03.000 down today with Darnell asking him to meet us somewhere in our demands and he 61 00:05:03.079 --> 00:05:09.120 said he'll work on Okay. Darnel Hunt is a professor. He's not the 62 00:05:09.240 --> 00:05:13.439 chancellor, not the president of the university. He's not even the chief of 63 00:05:13.439 --> 00:05:16.800 police. With all due respect to Darnell, he can't do anything for you 64 00:05:17.519 --> 00:05:23.360 asking him to meet us somewhere in our demands and he said he'll work on 65 00:05:23.480 --> 00:05:30.959 it. No, and then and then they sent the police in a stabic 66 00:05:30.319 --> 00:05:34.199 you'll kill me. Oh they said they were going to work on it. 67 00:05:34.279 --> 00:05:38.439 Did they set the police in as if you didn't know the police were going 68 00:05:38.519 --> 00:05:41.279 to show up, because we all know what is happening everywhere. But there 69 00:05:41.319 --> 00:05:46.040 are other students who had things to say. After pro Palestinian protesters on UCLA's 70 00:05:46.040 --> 00:05:50.480 campus refused to leave the encampment almost one week since it was established, three 71 00:05:50.560 --> 00:05:55.920 law enforcement agencies moved in Wednesday night, conducting an operation that involved hundreds of 72 00:05:55.920 --> 00:06:00.720 officers, lasted hours, and resulted in two hundred and nine arrests. Classes 73 00:06:00.720 --> 00:06:01.959 were being blocked off, it was hard to get on campus. But like, 74 00:06:02.040 --> 00:06:04.279 I just feel like what the cost of it happening? It's like people 75 00:06:04.399 --> 00:06:08.639 got hurt, people got arrested. Like it just wasn't you know what I 76 00:06:08.680 --> 00:06:10.600 mean? There could have been a better way to go about it. Wait 77 00:06:10.600 --> 00:06:13.680 wait, wait, wait, what is the better way? You were given 78 00:06:13.759 --> 00:06:15.680 the order to the spurse, what is the better way to go about it. 79 00:06:15.839 --> 00:06:18.800 They said, please, will you leave? They said you have to 80 00:06:18.920 --> 00:06:25.160 leave. You refuse to leave? What is the better way to go about 81 00:06:25.199 --> 00:06:28.959 it? People got hurt, people got arrested. Like it just wasn't you 82 00:06:28.959 --> 00:06:30.879 know what I mean, There could have been a better way to go about 83 00:06:30.879 --> 00:06:33.279 it. I didn't think that the university was going to meet any of the 84 00:06:33.360 --> 00:06:36.720 protesters demands. There you go, and they said they weren't going to leave 85 00:06:36.800 --> 00:06:43.000 until those demands were met. And oh my goodness, don't they know that 86 00:06:43.040 --> 00:06:46.199 there's no other way that this was going to investor's demands. And they said 87 00:06:46.240 --> 00:06:49.720 they weren't going to leave until those demands were met. And so I think 88 00:06:49.759 --> 00:06:56.800 the only option was to have the police remove them, because even though I 89 00:06:56.839 --> 00:07:02.720 think a lot of people were protesting peacefully, ultimately their encampment was inciting a 90 00:07:02.759 --> 00:07:08.399 lot of violence on both sides. Well, there's a reasonable response, but 91 00:07:08.439 --> 00:07:13.199 the most important response is the encampment was illegal. You did not have a 92 00:07:13.279 --> 00:07:19.879 constitutional right to remain in a tent on private property. You did not A 93 00:07:19.920 --> 00:07:24.360 lot of officers telling us that we were the ones that were being unpeaceful, 94 00:07:24.920 --> 00:07:30.120 even though we were like getting ripped away. You know. Yeah, it's 95 00:07:30.160 --> 00:07:32.000 been a lot. Honestly, I'm kind of just I'm glad we did it. 96 00:07:32.480 --> 00:07:36.199 I don't I We're definitely not done. But I'm just writing out of 97 00:07:36.240 --> 00:07:40.079 bed now. I've been up forever. It was chaotic, it was scary. 98 00:07:40.120 --> 00:07:46.319 You know, they were unresponsive to the things we would say, Okay, 99 00:07:46.360 --> 00:07:48.439 the police were unresponsive to the things that you would say. Did they 100 00:07:48.480 --> 00:07:53.680 have an expectation that they were going to have a conversation with you? Did 101 00:07:53.720 --> 00:07:57.800 you think that because you were there yelling at them, throwing bottles at them, 102 00:07:57.879 --> 00:08:01.759 cursing at them, saying but making up seeing gestures that they were going 103 00:08:01.800 --> 00:08:05.639 to engage you in a conversation. Unresponsive to the things we would say. 104 00:08:07.120 --> 00:08:09.959 And it seems like they were trying to destroy everything we had. They traveled 105 00:08:09.959 --> 00:08:18.199 over a tense you know, stop it. They were trying to destroy everything 106 00:08:18.240 --> 00:08:22.279 they had. They took all our possessions and didn't care. Were trying to 107 00:08:22.279 --> 00:08:24.839 destroy everything we had. They traveled over our tents, you know, everything 108 00:08:24.839 --> 00:08:28.160 we had inside. And it seems like, you know, they had no 109 00:08:28.480 --> 00:08:31.799 remorse or sympathy for us. They were supposed to show remorse and sympathy for 110 00:08:31.919 --> 00:08:37.320 your illegal encampment on private property. After a lawful order to the spurse, 111 00:08:37.720 --> 00:08:43.519 and you had no constitutional right to remain there, And you're complaining about them 112 00:08:43.960 --> 00:08:46.960 trashing your belongings and not saying sorry, And it seems like you know, 113 00:08:48.000 --> 00:08:52.200 they had no remorse or sympathy for us. I don't have any remorse or 114 00:08:52.240 --> 00:08:54.919 sympathy for you. You clearly did not think this through, like you know, 115 00:08:54.960 --> 00:08:58.559 they had no remorse or sympathy for us. After being related, some 116 00:08:58.600 --> 00:09:03.519 of us told us getting arrested was worth it for them. Really, what 117 00:09:03.639 --> 00:09:07.360 did you get out of it other than a record and a summons and a 118 00:09:07.639 --> 00:09:11.240 notice to appear. After being related, some of the students told us getting 119 00:09:11.279 --> 00:09:13.799 arrested was worth it for them. It's fine. I mean, we're disappointed 120 00:09:13.799 --> 00:09:18.480 that it happened. You know, it's being compared to what the people guys 121 00:09:18.519 --> 00:09:22.039 are going through right out now. The students we talked to indicated to us 122 00:09:22.039 --> 00:09:24.519 that they weren't sure what's next, but they didn't rule out. Some of 123 00:09:24.559 --> 00:09:30.519 them told us of another encampment popping up on campus later. They weren't sure 124 00:09:30.519 --> 00:09:35.879 what's next. They have no idea what's next. They got nothing for all 125 00:09:35.960 --> 00:09:43.679 their effort except mad well done guys and gals. Well done. Maybe they'll 126 00:09:43.679 --> 00:09:48.799 try again tomorrow. Maybe it'll be different next time. They're given a lawful 127 00:09:48.919 --> 00:09:54.879 order to disperse, that they defy and then remain while huntreds of police waited 128 00:09:54.960 --> 00:10:00.440 for little roll hours before moving in, and you're saying they didn't show any 129 00:10:00.480 --> 00:10:05.240 remorse or sympathy. Y'all are the dumbest so called smart people. I know, 130 00:10:07.360 --> 00:10:13.399 Hi, Mark, you're awake. No, I should be asking you. 131 00:10:13.559 --> 00:10:18.399 Are you awake? Oh? Fresh as a daisy? Are you kidding 132 00:10:18.399 --> 00:10:22.000 me? I'm fine. You must be exhausted, though. I am exhausted 133 00:10:22.440 --> 00:10:28.080 because I was doing a show a lot longer than I had anticipated, and 134 00:10:28.120 --> 00:10:33.559 it was on one subject. You know, with breaking news, you don't 135 00:10:33.600 --> 00:10:35.960 know how the story is going to evolve. You don't have a lot of 136 00:10:37.000 --> 00:10:41.159 information to disseminate, and your working segment by segment. That's right. I 137 00:10:41.200 --> 00:10:43.879 was there for that, that's right. Yes, except you had to wait 138 00:10:45.000 --> 00:10:48.039 until three am to go home. Well, I'm kind of a night owl 139 00:10:48.080 --> 00:10:54.039 anyway, so that's morning that night. True, I didn't get a ton 140 00:10:54.080 --> 00:10:56.799 of sleep, but hey, it's almost the weekend, Yes it is. 141 00:10:58.759 --> 00:11:05.159 You're listening too late with Moe Kelly on Demand from KFI AM six forty six 142 00:11:05.159 --> 00:11:07.480 forty is later with Mo Kelly Live Everywhere on the iHeartRadio app And I gotta 143 00:11:07.559 --> 00:11:11.720 ask, if you hear that song war by Edwin Starr, do you think 144 00:11:11.759 --> 00:11:18.399 about the Vietnam War or do you think about Rush Hour with Jackie Channon Chris 145 00:11:18.440 --> 00:11:22.200 Tucker. Definitely not Rush Out for Jackie Channon, not you or me. 146 00:11:22.600 --> 00:11:30.080 But I'm looking at producer tianas he said Jackie Channon, Chris Tucker. I 147 00:11:30.159 --> 00:11:33.360 love that movie. I do too, but that's not the reference point for 148 00:11:33.399 --> 00:11:37.320 that song. R said the same exact thing, like that reference reminds me 149 00:11:37.360 --> 00:11:41.919 of Rush Hour. Oh my gosh, I'm doing a show with children. 150 00:11:43.919 --> 00:11:48.159 Children. You can't explain all that away with just age. Yes you can. 151 00:11:48.480 --> 00:11:48.960 It's a taste thing as well. No, no, no no, 152 00:11:50.120 --> 00:11:54.279 because that's the only time that they're going to hear it. Unfortunately, they're 153 00:11:54.320 --> 00:11:58.240 not listening to an oldies channel. Musically, that's about the only time they 154 00:11:58.240 --> 00:12:03.240 would hear it is part of a movie soundtrack. Unfortunately. There are a 155 00:12:03.279 --> 00:12:07.399 lot of people who discovered all this great music on the Guardians of the Galaxy 156 00:12:07.440 --> 00:12:11.120 Volume one soundtrack, like lou Suade, and that's a good one. In 157 00:12:11.120 --> 00:12:15.120 fact, all three of them have good stuff on him. This is depressing, 158 00:12:15.159 --> 00:12:18.600 though it is, is it? Thanks for making me feel elderly today. 159 00:12:18.000 --> 00:12:22.000 I thought I was going to just play some music, and then I 160 00:12:22.039 --> 00:12:24.399 saw Kenna, like, you know, mouthing along to the words. I'm 161 00:12:24.399 --> 00:12:28.360 thinking, like, oh, there's no way in the world she actually knows 162 00:12:28.360 --> 00:12:33.519 the origination point, the origin of this song. And then she said, 163 00:12:33.720 --> 00:12:37.519 yeah, I love that movie. Oh my goodness. Well, the reason 164 00:12:37.519 --> 00:12:41.879 why I was playing it obviously because of what's going on in the world to 165 00:12:41.960 --> 00:12:46.840 be serious for just a moment, and many people, for whatever reasons, 166 00:12:46.879 --> 00:12:52.919 political or social people were waiting for President Joe Biden to have something to say. 167 00:12:54.200 --> 00:12:58.600 What type of stand would he take, What type of stance would he 168 00:12:58.639 --> 00:13:03.799 take? Would he be very critical of protesters? Would he give them a 169 00:13:03.840 --> 00:13:09.200 pass? Was he going to like check the tea leaves and the temperature and 170 00:13:09.240 --> 00:13:11.120 the direction of the wind to see, Of course, he did, to 171 00:13:11.159 --> 00:13:16.879 see what would be most politically expedient as far as how he was going to 172 00:13:16.960 --> 00:13:22.039 deliver that message. And me, I'm very old school when it comes to 173 00:13:22.200 --> 00:13:28.320 presidents. I'm a firm believer that a president should be not necessarily the moral 174 00:13:28.440 --> 00:13:35.159 leader of the nation, but should be the conscience of the nation. And 175 00:13:35.519 --> 00:13:39.759 I believe what doctor Martin Luther King Junior believed that he said that quote. 176 00:13:39.759 --> 00:13:46.759 A genuine leader is not a searcher for consensus, but a molder of consensus. 177 00:13:48.200 --> 00:13:50.279 Close quote. In other words, you're not looking to see what other 178 00:13:50.399 --> 00:13:54.879 people may think, may believe, or may feel, which would make you 179 00:13:54.919 --> 00:13:58.159 feel better if you can go along with the crowd, but you step out 180 00:13:58.200 --> 00:14:03.080 in front because it's the right thing to do. There's never a wrong time 181 00:14:03.120 --> 00:14:07.639 to do the right thing. And this is what President Biden had to say 182 00:14:07.679 --> 00:14:13.720 earlier in addressing the protests. Peaceful protest is in the best tradition of how 183 00:14:13.960 --> 00:14:20.440 Americans respond to consequential issues. But neither are we a lawless country. We 184 00:14:20.519 --> 00:14:26.480 are a civil society. An order must prevail for aut our history. We've 185 00:14:26.480 --> 00:14:30.960 often faced moments like this because we are a big, diverse, free thinking 186 00:14:31.039 --> 00:14:35.159 and freedom loving nation, and moments like this there are always those who rush 187 00:14:35.639 --> 00:14:41.279 in to score political points. But this isn't a moment for politics. It's 188 00:14:41.320 --> 00:14:46.440 a moment for clarity. So let me be clear, peaceful protest in America. 189 00:14:46.279 --> 00:14:52.840 Violent protest is not protected peaceful protest is it's against the law, and 190 00:14:52.000 --> 00:14:58.279 violence occurs. Destroying property is not a peaceful protest. It's against the law. 191 00:14:58.240 --> 00:15:03.480 Vandalism, trespassion, breaking windows, shutting down campuses, forcing the cancelation 192 00:15:03.559 --> 00:15:09.039 of classes and graduations. None of this is a peaceful protest. Didn't tell 193 00:15:09.080 --> 00:15:13.159 me anything I didn't already know. I don't think anyone is going to change 194 00:15:13.200 --> 00:15:18.240 their behavior. I thought it was very middle of the road. It was 195 00:15:18.559 --> 00:15:26.240 light condemnation, but it wasn't harsh condemnation, and it was very general. 196 00:15:26.840 --> 00:15:31.720 We know he was talking about, obviously the campus protests, but he did 197 00:15:31.759 --> 00:15:35.279 not really sit down on his words as I think I would like a president 198 00:15:35.320 --> 00:15:39.440 to do. I would like a president, regardless of his Joe Biden, 199 00:15:39.720 --> 00:15:46.159 Barack Obama, Donald Trump, George Bush, Bill Clinton on down the line, 200 00:15:46.480 --> 00:15:50.360 want there to be no misunderstanding whatsoever. And now I just think we're 201 00:15:50.360 --> 00:15:58.399 in an era in which presidents are so beholden to holding because we live in 202 00:15:58.440 --> 00:16:00.759 a twenty four hour news cycle, and they're worried about every word that they 203 00:16:00.840 --> 00:16:04.240 say and how they say it. Sometimes I just want you to make it 204 00:16:04.279 --> 00:16:10.840 plain. You don't necessarily have to be disrespectful, but just make it plain. 205 00:16:11.759 --> 00:16:15.919 And and this is part and parcel of what I expect in a president. 206 00:16:15.000 --> 00:16:18.679 I want you to be a grown up. I want you to act 207 00:16:18.759 --> 00:16:22.320 like an adult in the room and set the tone. That's what I want 208 00:16:22.360 --> 00:16:29.600 any president to do, to set the tone, an example for what is 209 00:16:29.879 --> 00:16:36.519 exemplary behavior from citizens, regardless of whether we get along, and we're never 210 00:16:36.559 --> 00:16:40.720 going to completely get along, but there has to be a clear set of 211 00:16:41.399 --> 00:16:47.120 expectations of what is within the boundaries of acceptable behavior, what is within the 212 00:16:47.159 --> 00:16:53.080 boundaries of acceptable forms of protests and conversations, of how we're going to make 213 00:16:53.120 --> 00:16:57.360 this place a more perfect union. And for all the people who want to 214 00:16:57.360 --> 00:17:00.840 say that it's already a perfect country or it's already great, well, no, 215 00:17:02.320 --> 00:17:03.240 even the founder said, now, we have a lot of work to 216 00:17:03.240 --> 00:17:08.839 do, and that's why they made the constitution open to amendments and updates, 217 00:17:08.880 --> 00:17:12.640 if you will. And also how there are things that they could not foresee 218 00:17:12.680 --> 00:17:17.200 in the future, and they were going to be disagreements and arguments, but 219 00:17:17.279 --> 00:17:22.400 they set a framework in place as far as what we were to do, 220 00:17:22.480 --> 00:17:23.920 how we to do it, how we were to do it, and what 221 00:17:25.000 --> 00:17:30.720 was acceptable in the pursuit of it. I needed more from President Biden, 222 00:17:32.000 --> 00:17:33.839 but I don't think I would have gotten more from any president at this time 223 00:17:33.880 --> 00:17:38.880 the way things are now. Yes, violence is bad, got it, 224 00:17:40.240 --> 00:17:45.839 Thanks for that. Peaceful protests is in the best tradition of how Americans respond 225 00:17:45.880 --> 00:17:53.640 to consequential issues. But neither are we a lawless country where our civil society 226 00:17:55.359 --> 00:17:59.599 an order must prevail. Throughout our history, We've often faced moments like this 227 00:17:59.680 --> 00:18:03.079 because we are a big, diverse, free thinking and freedom loving nation, 228 00:18:04.160 --> 00:18:10.480 and moments like this are are always those who rush in to score political points. 229 00:18:10.839 --> 00:18:14.319 But this isn't a moment for politics. It's a moment for clarity. 230 00:18:14.960 --> 00:18:19.599 So let me be clear. Peaceful protest in America. Violent protest is not 231 00:18:19.720 --> 00:18:25.079 protected. Peaceful protest is. Thanks for that. I didn't know that. 232 00:18:26.640 --> 00:18:30.240 I feel like I'm smarter now. You're listening to Later with Moe Kelly on 233 00:18:30.319 --> 00:18:36.240 demand from KFI AM six forty. You may remember back in February, I 234 00:18:36.359 --> 00:18:38.039 went to Chicago. It was the end of February and was snowing. I 235 00:18:38.079 --> 00:18:41.759 was in a bad mood. And what got me in a really, really 236 00:18:41.799 --> 00:18:45.240 bad mood is I went down to the hotel bar, got some food to 237 00:18:45.440 --> 00:18:48.319 go. That's important to go. I got some salmon. I know it 238 00:18:48.359 --> 00:18:52.000 was over price, but I was really hungry. The salmon cost thirty four 239 00:18:52.039 --> 00:18:55.559 dollars. I posted this on my Instagram at mister mo Kelly, my personal 240 00:18:55.599 --> 00:18:59.720 instagram. So the santon cost thirty four dollars when I got the bill, 241 00:19:00.079 --> 00:19:03.759 set thirty four dollars on the menu. So I'm thinking, okay with taxes, 242 00:19:03.759 --> 00:19:07.000 maybe like thirty seven, thirty eight dollars somewhere in there. I got 243 00:19:07.039 --> 00:19:11.519 the bill, it said thirty four dollars for the food, a dollar and 244 00:19:11.599 --> 00:19:15.599 two cents service charge. It doesn't tell you for what another six dollars and 245 00:19:15.720 --> 00:19:21.559 eighty cents, which they call a twenty percent auto service charge. I didn't 246 00:19:21.559 --> 00:19:23.400 even have a freaking car in the hotel. I ubered to the hotel, 247 00:19:25.079 --> 00:19:30.200 and then they taxed me on that total amount. They taxed me on the 248 00:19:30.240 --> 00:19:34.440 twenty percent auto service charge and the service charge. There were two different charges, 249 00:19:34.880 --> 00:19:38.279 and that thirty four dollars salmon dinner came out to forty five dollars and 250 00:19:38.359 --> 00:19:44.680 thirty two cents. Long story short, was some funky business and some really 251 00:19:44.720 --> 00:19:51.039 funky math going on, but that was the emerging way of doing business where 252 00:19:51.039 --> 00:19:55.240 you put a price on the menu, and then these restaurants, for whatever 253 00:19:55.319 --> 00:20:00.039 reasons, would have these hidden service charges and then all of a sudd but 254 00:20:00.200 --> 00:20:03.599 you're paying a whole lot more than you thought you were paying for. Well, 255 00:20:03.640 --> 00:20:08.680 that was in Illinois. Here in California, the law is changing and 256 00:20:11.480 --> 00:20:17.319 these surcharges have become illegal here in California. As of July first, it 257 00:20:17.359 --> 00:20:23.079 will be illegal for any restaurant in California to add special surcharges to diners' checks. 258 00:20:23.400 --> 00:20:27.599 But what's really amazing is some people are okay with it. Listen to 259 00:20:27.640 --> 00:20:30.960 this, some big changes may be coming to a menu near you. A 260 00:20:32.000 --> 00:20:37.599 decision today by the state Attorney General means there can be no searcharges added to 261 00:20:37.640 --> 00:20:41.279 your restaurant. Everything must be included in the price you see on that menu. 262 00:20:41.400 --> 00:20:45.200 Right, as Nbcbay Areas Terry McSweeney found out, it's leaving a bad 263 00:20:45.240 --> 00:20:48.720 taste in the mouth of some restaurant owners. Get over it. If you've 264 00:20:48.720 --> 00:20:52.920 ever wondered how your check at a restaurant got so high, help maybe on 265 00:20:52.960 --> 00:20:57.640 the way. California Attorney General Rob Bonta has ruled that the ban on hidden 266 00:20:57.720 --> 00:21:03.559 fees for hotels and concerts and sports tickets approved by lawmakers last October. Also 267 00:21:03.640 --> 00:21:11.079 applies to restaurants and You'll Sellentano Restaurant in San Francisco's North Beach, owner Santo 268 00:21:11.200 --> 00:21:15.279 Esposito says he has never charged a hidden or junk fee, such as a 269 00:21:15.319 --> 00:21:18.920 percentage for employees' healthcare or higher wages. It's always been right there in the 270 00:21:18.960 --> 00:21:26.319 price on his menu. I work myself more. You know, I cut 271 00:21:26.319 --> 00:21:30.119 off some employee if I have to, so I work more. So I 272 00:21:30.200 --> 00:21:33.480 don't need to charge people any extra fee. But many restaurants are concerned that 273 00:21:33.519 --> 00:21:37.000 adding these surch charges into the price on them and you could cause sticker shock, 274 00:21:37.519 --> 00:21:44.480 says Golden Gate Restaurant Association executive director Laurie Thomas. Will that being upfront 275 00:21:44.480 --> 00:21:49.720 and center cause people to dine out less. Wait wait wait. If you're 276 00:21:49.759 --> 00:21:56.519 not given the opportunity or chance to trick people into paying more, you're worried 277 00:21:56.519 --> 00:22:02.559 about how that may negatively affect your business. You want to be able to 278 00:22:02.640 --> 00:22:07.680 have the right to trick and deceive people as far as what they're being what 279 00:22:07.720 --> 00:22:12.039 they're paying for, says Golden Gate Restaurant Association executive director, Laurie Thomas will 280 00:22:12.200 --> 00:22:18.279 that being upfront and center caused people to dine out less. Yes, please 281 00:22:18.359 --> 00:22:21.759 be upfront and center, and if it doesn't go well after that, so 282 00:22:21.920 --> 00:22:26.559 be it. And if people continue to dine out less, we do have 283 00:22:26.559 --> 00:22:30.680 a struggling restaurant industry. Okay, let's see this to its logical conclusion. 284 00:22:30.720 --> 00:22:33.359 Mark Runner, I know you know where I'm going with this. Imagine any 285 00:22:33.480 --> 00:22:44.200 struggling industry given the right or the space to hide all these fees because they're 286 00:22:44.200 --> 00:22:48.839 worried about sticker shock, because they want to add on fees, like the 287 00:22:48.920 --> 00:22:52.200 airline industry, where if you should buy a ticket for forty nine dollars going 288 00:22:52.240 --> 00:22:56.440 to San Francisco Southwest talking about you, and then all of a sudden you 289 00:22:56.519 --> 00:23:00.519 have these hidden fees, and all of a sudden, the price of the 290 00:23:00.519 --> 00:23:03.559 ticket is one hundred and forty nine dollars. It's an outrage, I say 291 00:23:03.640 --> 00:23:08.400 an outrage. Actually, I think that you should have been charged to searcharge 292 00:23:08.440 --> 00:23:14.799 for the inconvenience to the fishy eight. Look, it was the inconvenience of 293 00:23:14.880 --> 00:23:18.559 having to argue and haggle with them and let them know because they asked me 294 00:23:18.599 --> 00:23:22.319 when I checked into that hotel. Do you have a car, mister O'Kelly, 295 00:23:22.680 --> 00:23:26.119 No, I do not have a car. And then they still when 296 00:23:26.119 --> 00:23:30.119 I went to get some food, when I was going to charge it to 297 00:23:30.160 --> 00:23:33.480 my room, they said, they're going to give you the twenty percent auto 298 00:23:33.680 --> 00:23:38.200 service fee. Many restaurants, especially larger ones, do charge the so called 299 00:23:38.240 --> 00:23:44.480 hidden fees. Owners and managers and restaurants here in northbe computer's tripping bes on 300 00:23:44.599 --> 00:23:48.680 camera. But some said it is not going to help. Well, I 301 00:23:48.759 --> 00:23:52.160 lose enough money that I have to either lay people off or I can't make 302 00:23:52.200 --> 00:23:56.160 it work anymore. Well, you're gonna have to make a decision, okay, 303 00:23:56.200 --> 00:24:00.759 because you're not going to just deceive people. That is not much fault. 304 00:24:00.160 --> 00:24:04.559 Can I just point a clarification. Are they complaining the restaurant owners that 305 00:24:04.799 --> 00:24:08.079 they're going to be put in a position of hardship when they can't fleece people 306 00:24:08.079 --> 00:24:12.119 with hidden fees? You're correct, Thank you for that. Wait, but 307 00:24:12.240 --> 00:24:17.559 there's some people who would rather be fleeced. Listen to this. We have 308 00:24:17.680 --> 00:24:21.640 some diners how they like their pricing all up front or tell me later. 309 00:24:22.119 --> 00:24:26.559 On the one hand, I like to pay the price that's advertised because that 310 00:24:26.599 --> 00:24:30.880 feels good. Someone says it's going to be nine dollars, it's nine dollars 311 00:24:30.200 --> 00:24:33.759 for me. I am definitely okay with it being added to the check. 312 00:24:33.839 --> 00:24:37.519 I don't need to see that up front. I'm not choosing a restaurant or 313 00:24:37.559 --> 00:24:42.000 a hotel based exclusively on price. A lot of it is about the experience. 314 00:24:42.119 --> 00:24:45.279 Oh, you're just an idiot. What kind of Stockholm syndrome is that? 315 00:24:45.920 --> 00:24:49.200 Please fleece me, you know what, I don't care. Just put 316 00:24:49.240 --> 00:24:53.119 twelve dollars on the menu, and if it happens to be thirty five at 317 00:24:53.119 --> 00:24:56.920 the end, I'm okay, because I'm paying for the experience. May I 318 00:24:56.960 --> 00:25:03.079 have another? Yes? What the hell is going on here? What is 319 00:25:03.200 --> 00:25:06.119 wrong with people? You know? I don't think that's that unusual. When 320 00:25:06.160 --> 00:25:08.039 I go to the store, and now that they have apps where you've got 321 00:25:08.079 --> 00:25:11.079 to use them to get the sale prices on everything, I look at my 322 00:25:11.160 --> 00:25:15.279 receipt when when I'm on the way out, and if something's wrong, I'll 323 00:25:15.319 --> 00:25:18.279 go back. I'll go back to the register. But the long suffering one, 324 00:25:18.359 --> 00:25:21.319 my landlady, they don't care. They don't look at that stuff. 325 00:25:21.400 --> 00:25:25.400 I think there's a lot of people who would just it's worth not dealing with 326 00:25:25.440 --> 00:25:29.839 the hassle to pay whatever is there. And it's not a matter of whether 327 00:25:29.920 --> 00:25:34.039 I can afford it, it's about being dishonest. You're being willfully dishonest by 328 00:25:34.160 --> 00:25:40.519 not disclosing and hoping I don't look or don't realize, don't recognize, don't 329 00:25:40.559 --> 00:25:45.000 find out that you are asking for like an extra ten to fifteen percent that 330 00:25:45.119 --> 00:25:47.960 I didn't agree to pay for. I agreed to pay for going back to 331 00:25:48.039 --> 00:25:51.319 the Chicago hotel. I agreed to pay for the salmon. I didn't agree 332 00:25:51.359 --> 00:25:55.440 to any of those other charges which were not on the menu. And notice 333 00:25:55.559 --> 00:26:00.519 have you noticed this how indignant people get when you ask them, Hey, 334 00:26:00.519 --> 00:26:03.319 what's this right here? Right? Like I'm taking them away from their day? 335 00:26:03.960 --> 00:26:08.319 Yeah, Like you're the a hole and I love being the a hole 336 00:26:08.400 --> 00:26:11.720 to me, So they know the difference. Oh no, no, no, 337 00:26:11.759 --> 00:26:14.559 I have not been. I'm not being an ass yet, but I 338 00:26:14.640 --> 00:26:18.880 can be, so you know the difference. And since we're talking about my 339 00:26:18.079 --> 00:26:25.839 money and you deceiving me to separate me from more by money, Yes, 340 00:26:26.000 --> 00:26:29.880 I'm not like this woman for me. I am definitely a for me for 341 00:26:30.039 --> 00:26:34.079 meie for me. It's all about me, as opposed to for whom, 342 00:26:34.319 --> 00:26:40.039 but for me, I am definitely okay with it being added. Well, 343 00:26:40.039 --> 00:26:42.960 you're an idiot. For me, I am definitely okay with it being added 344 00:26:44.200 --> 00:26:45.960 to the check. I don't need to see that up front. I'm not 345 00:26:47.079 --> 00:26:51.960 choosing a restaurant or a hotel based exclusively on price. A lot of it 346 00:26:52.000 --> 00:26:56.920 is about the experience. Okay. Let me just be really politically incorrect and 347 00:26:56.000 --> 00:27:03.880 a chauvinistic man here for just a month. Let's relate this to maybe a 348 00:27:03.000 --> 00:27:08.920 lap dance or hiring this self employed model for the evening or three hours, 349 00:27:08.920 --> 00:27:12.519 whichever is better financially. I need to save you from yourself no time. 350 00:27:12.519 --> 00:27:15.200 I'll be all right jumping off this clip. I got got a parachute. 351 00:27:17.319 --> 00:27:21.680 If you go into that situation for the experience, you know, apples to 352 00:27:21.720 --> 00:27:26.160 apples, and you're expecting to pay I don't know, fifty dollars an hour. 353 00:27:26.960 --> 00:27:32.200 I'm just throwing that out there because I wouldn't know firsthand. Fifty does 354 00:27:32.240 --> 00:27:34.519 the person have a full set of teeth? Fifty? If I were to 355 00:27:34.559 --> 00:27:41.039 pay fifty dollars, or at least that was the stated contract between me and 356 00:27:41.119 --> 00:27:47.759 the talent for that hour, that's the talent, okay. And at the 357 00:27:47.880 --> 00:27:51.039 end of the hour and you're getting ready to settle up for the evening, 358 00:27:51.519 --> 00:27:56.440 and she says, well, I have a parking fee. Now this is 359 00:27:56.440 --> 00:28:00.839 where a handler busts into the room, and I have a bathing fee, 360 00:28:02.319 --> 00:28:06.759 and I have an agent's fee, and that the real price is one hundred 361 00:28:06.759 --> 00:28:10.759 and twenty dollars. It's okay because for me, I was just there for 362 00:28:10.799 --> 00:28:14.720 the experience. For me, I am definitely okay with it being added to 363 00:28:14.759 --> 00:28:18.440 the check. I don't need to see that upfront. I'm not choosing upfront, 364 00:28:18.480 --> 00:28:21.839 she said. For me, I am definitely okay with it being added 365 00:28:22.079 --> 00:28:25.319 to the check. I don't need to see that upfront. I'm not choosing 366 00:28:25.359 --> 00:28:29.960 a restaurant or a hotel based exclusively on price. A lot of it is 367 00:28:29.960 --> 00:28:34.319 about the experience. Yes, the GFE No, oh, I don't know 368 00:28:34.440 --> 00:28:41.839 your analogy. They didn't know what that is your analogy. It leads to 369 00:28:41.039 --> 00:28:48.480 some further explanation because you doesn't know. No, you know many a time 370 00:28:48.519 --> 00:28:52.759 and we've seen our friends go into certain situations and they've been okay, just 371 00:28:53.160 --> 00:28:59.720 letting it ride, even after they've even after they've been told that there's extras 372 00:28:59.720 --> 00:29:03.359 in look, but the still look at the time we gotta go to commercial. 373 00:29:03.440 --> 00:29:07.079 It's Lady with mo Kelly. Can if I am six forty We're live 374 00:29:07.160 --> 00:29:11.240 everywhere on the iHeartRadio app. You're listening to Later with Mo Kelly on demand 375 00:29:11.480 --> 00:29:18.880 from KFI AM six forty. Now, Twala, you had questions regarding the 376 00:29:19.359 --> 00:29:27.640 purchasing process and expected payment in a certain commodities market. I just want to 377 00:29:27.640 --> 00:29:33.599 make sure that our listeners know that even in the situation you laid out where 378 00:29:33.640 --> 00:29:41.680 you may have talent who tries to tack on some extra fees after but that's 379 00:29:41.720 --> 00:29:48.000 a tip, and I understand implicitly. When I know, I if I 380 00:29:48.279 --> 00:29:55.680 were hypothetically to go to the club in which talent should disrobe over the course 381 00:29:55.720 --> 00:29:59.119 of a musical selection or two or something like that, something like that, 382 00:29:59.559 --> 00:30:03.960 I know at the end of it all, if it's not on the main 383 00:30:03.039 --> 00:30:14.119 stage where a dollar bills are dispersed, amoiously, yes, yes, feverishly 384 00:30:14.160 --> 00:30:18.960 at times precipitated, correct, correct. If it's not on the main stage 385 00:30:18.960 --> 00:30:22.799 and it happens to be in a smaller, more intimate setting near the back, 386 00:30:25.519 --> 00:30:32.160 then I know that even though that time maybe twenty dollars hypothetically per dance. 387 00:30:32.599 --> 00:30:36.880 I know at the end of it all you know best practices that there 388 00:30:36.960 --> 00:30:41.599 is usually a tip involved, which is different from a service charge because the 389 00:30:41.680 --> 00:30:47.240 industry standard is a tip. The service charge is completely unknown, and I 390 00:30:47.319 --> 00:30:52.720 make that distinction. But it is not always clear what the price will be. 391 00:30:52.880 --> 00:30:57.200 If you should say, want some champagne in this special room, they 392 00:30:57.839 --> 00:31:03.160 never say up from hunt here is what the fees would be for some extra 393 00:31:03.359 --> 00:31:07.960 champagne. They just say, would you like some in the special room? 394 00:31:07.160 --> 00:31:12.359 And you know full well we have several friends in common who will say yes 395 00:31:12.440 --> 00:31:17.000 and will not even ask what that fee is. They'll just go on in. 396 00:31:17.079 --> 00:31:19.319 Now, see that's that's that's on them. I'll give you an example. 397 00:31:19.359 --> 00:31:23.079 If we were eating at a restaurant. H it has a menu, 398 00:31:23.400 --> 00:31:27.680 yes, and if you are so dumb or naive, let me say naive. 399 00:31:27.680 --> 00:31:30.880 I don't want to be disrespectful. If you were so naive to just 400 00:31:30.160 --> 00:31:36.480 order off the menu with no idea how much the food may cost, and 401 00:31:36.480 --> 00:31:38.640 then want to get surprised when they bring the bill, that's on you. 402 00:31:38.960 --> 00:31:44.519 Because when I order out, I ask up front, Yeah, all I 403 00:31:44.599 --> 00:31:49.839 know is you have several colleagues who say, if I was colleagues in your 404 00:31:51.000 --> 00:31:56.640 previous music industry careers who were show who may know who may have had someone 405 00:31:56.920 --> 00:32:01.400 like me in one of these places, they like me. They may say, 406 00:32:01.559 --> 00:32:07.480 hey, twala, even if you don't want access to the room, 407 00:32:07.920 --> 00:32:13.640 we need access to your name to be able to write off whatever fee because 408 00:32:13.799 --> 00:32:16.480 we have several of your employees, some of the people who work under you, 409 00:32:16.960 --> 00:32:21.359 who may spend records, who we need to take care of in this 410 00:32:21.480 --> 00:32:23.519 room. This is getting very complicated I'm talking about. I'm just saying. 411 00:32:23.559 --> 00:32:29.000 I'm just saying that the fees are not always listed up front, and that 412 00:32:29.039 --> 00:32:32.880 does not stop everyone. What I have heard heard I don't know firsthand. 413 00:32:32.920 --> 00:32:39.079 I have heard they're doing it like they're tired of people dining and dashing, 414 00:32:40.039 --> 00:32:51.720 so they're taking credit cards up front to alleviate any issues. But it does 415 00:32:51.880 --> 00:32:55.759 leave room for misunderstanding as far as what that final bill will be. Can 416 00:32:55.799 --> 00:33:00.039 we just establish that there's a difference between a tip and a sh shakedown and 417 00:33:00.079 --> 00:33:04.319 when somebody's got you over a barrel, that's really not the best time to 418 00:33:04.359 --> 00:33:07.000 hear. Oh, there's gonna be this extra here. Yeah, and if 419 00:33:07.039 --> 00:33:12.759 the barrel, if you're over the barrel and you know, too complicated for 420 00:33:12.839 --> 00:33:16.480 you. Oh look at the time. Tonight later with mo Kelly, will 421 00:33:16.519 --> 00:33:21.599 be giving away a family four pack. How about that transition to the Renaissance 422 00:33:21.640 --> 00:33:25.400 Pleasure Fair in Irwin Dale. That didn't come out right. It's twenty acres 423 00:33:25.440 --> 00:33:30.240 of pure fun. 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