It's Tuesday. You know what that means. It's time for Ignition with the
aaw fanhob podcast team in the week leading up to Double or Nothing. This
is Kelson and this is Alex, and we're gonna lead with a little bit
of news we just got. They've pushed back All Out from I think it
was Sunday, September first, to a week later, maybe Sunday September eighth
instead. No, I think it's the sixth, actually the sixth. Yeah,
I think it's on Saturday now. Yeah, okay, it definitely prefers
Saturday pay per views, so I like that, Yes, I agreat Yeah,
especially at the five hour marathons you can actually sleep in the next day.
Yeah, it was. It's really bizarre considering they don't have even a
pay per view every month that they were having All In and then a week
later doing All Out. Like what could possibly be the reason for doing that?
I don't know, but let me ask you, did you feel like
All In then they had All Out? Did you feel like a little bit
burned out on wrestling? You know, because you had All In then you
had you know, had your regular dynamite, you had your rampage, you
had your collision, then you had All Out. It's almost like, what
seventeen hours worth of wrestling in that week? Yeah, you know, it
seemed like it fifteen hours. Yeah, And I remember having like zero expectations
for All Out last year. It just felt like it was like the throwaway,
like throw on the matches that aren't good enough for all In is what
it felt like. It ended up being a much better show, I think
than anyone expected it to be. But yeah, yeah, it was fine,
But what you're saying, it felt like I described it as a go
home pay per view. Mm hmm. Yeah, yeah. I bought All
In, but I but I refused to buy All Out, and I think
I missed a shot of standing. It's the paper review, but I'm glad
they're separating a little bit more of this time. A lot of people were
saying last year. I don't know if you guys agree with this, that
with the close proximity of the two pay per views, they should have done
a two for one package for maybe ten dollars more. Yeah, yeah,
definitely. Yeah. I don't know if it's available for you guys, but
I know in Canada on Trailer TV they do have a package for the last
three months with like Forbidden Door double or nothing and well or I think it
was, Yeah, Dynasty, the one that we just had, it's like
three and three months, so it's it's still super expensive. It's like one
hundred and forty Canadian instead of one hundred and sixty or something. It's not
a big savings, but it's it's still something. Yeah, yeah, it's
something. It's a big burden to pay that much, so yeah, back
back. It is interesting because obviously, like WWE is just a streaming service
now, so it's you know, ten bucks a month or fifteen or whatever
it is. Like AW when they started, they had four pay per views
and it's sixty bucks a pop or whatever. So it's it's a lot of
money, but it's maybe more comparable the ten to fifteen bucks a month.
But AW has increased their pay per views now I'm counting nine, Like in
twenty twenty four, we're gonna have nine pay per views and they're all fifty
sixty bucks each. Yeah, I'm just wondering everybody's thoughts on aw's pay per
view schedule and the price point and how it kind of balances out. I
guess aw's schedule. Well, honestly, well, and I believe that the
only reason that they added the extra pay per views is because Warner brother when
they signed the last contract, said we need more pay per views. They
wanted one a month, from what I understood, and Tony kind of has
been spacing them out and he hasn't got to that one a month, and
I don't think he's going to. But I think most people misunderstood what happened
with Like Dark and and Elevation. Why it went away was because of Warner
Brothers. And I think that was the same reason that they brought extra pay
per views, is because they wanted them as part of the TV deal.
Well here's the thing though, and I don't know if you guys agree with
this, so please let me know. A pay per view is only good
when it has an identity, you know, like with you got what you
got, say for WWE, you've got the Royal Rumble. You know what
the identity of the Royal Rumble is. You know, you've got King and
Queen of the Ring. You know, you you know, whatever they do,
there's a certain identity with it, money in the bank, you know,
whatever. You know, they have different identities where aw's are just pay
per views now. Not being negative here because I do feel like with the
pay per views and the increased number of pay per views, it has improved
the storytelling quite a bit in AW where they used to like, Okay,
we've got three months until the next pay per view, so we're just going
to throw matches at you and see if anything sticks on the wall, you
know kind of thing. Now they're doing this because they have to establish a
story to get pay per view by So I do see a positive in that.
But yeah, and I'm not saying that it's it's a bad thing that
right now, But like Double or Nothing, wasn't that the pay per view
that had the Casino Battle Royal? Yes, we have not seen a mention
to that's that's an identity, that's it. That's the kind of thing I'm
talking about. When you when you're here Double or Nothing, you're like,
oh, that's the one with the Casino Battle Royal. What do you see
Forbidden Door. That's the one where the Japanese wrestlers come over to America to
get crushed. You know that kind of thing. You know. That's what
I'm saying is that if they make it identify if a popular segment or even
a theme of the whole pay per view, you have to give it an
identity. I think that AW will eventually get there, but it is concerning
that double or nothing doesn't have a casino battle royal with a joker and all
that. That's to me, that's the fun part. Yeah, I agree
with you. Yeah, I can agree with them. I can agree to
that. I can. I think there needs to be five main pay per
views, and I would like to see them get rid of Battle of the
Belts. And I don't remember what it was called. Back in the baby
WCW had a big house show. I don't think it was Class of Champions,
but smattering of those big televisions to a little suspective that you know,
something may big may happen because when you go to Battle of the Belts,
you know no champions are gonna lose, because that's that's the precedent that's been
set. But I don't think they need that many pay per views because that's
gonna blow people. You know, if they had one per month like WWE
sometimes has, then that wears you out. But but as Kelson said,
they have they really do, they really have gotten better storyteller because they had
to build for a couple of months, so they are getting better. But
I would like to see just five. I don't think there needs to be
any more than that. M Yeah, I think, like I have no
problem with having eight pay per views. Welve is maybe a bit too many,
just because they're charging people fifty sixty bucks for each pay per view and
that's a lot of money to pay. But I do and what Kelson was
saying is, I do feel like it helps the storytelling. Like AW goes
through a cycle, especially when there's two three months between a pay per view,
where it's like kind of things kind of drag on a little bit in
month two just coming into the pay per view, like it seems like the
storylines kind of struggle, the TV shows not as interesting, people are saying
more bad things about AW, and then all of a sudden, they have
a big, successful pay per view and everyone's happy, everyone's excited again,
and then they kind of repeat that cycle over and over again. Especially it
was bad when you know they had three months between a pay per view and
they used to try to split it up. They do like winners coming after
about six weeks, so they at least had like something to build to because
yeah, Glant, Yeah, because a lot of times they don't have those
matches on the TV shows where it's really in question who's gonna wind. The
main title is not going to change hands until the pay per view, So
then if you have three months between that, you know, what are you
doing? You're just spinning your wheels for three months. So I don't want
too I think what they were doing in the beginning was not so much that
the storytelling wasn't as good. It was done differently. They would do it
on a per match basis. They weren't really worried about building things that entire
three month period. They would just go in and do storytelling per match instead
of making it like they do now. But I agree, you know they
I think right now is at the right number. You know. Where I
had the biggest problem, and this is probably gonna be unpopular, but bear
with me, because I do have a point here where I have a problem
with the old pay per view cycle was when they brought in Forbidden Door.
The first two Forbid Doors. When you look at it, it was right
in the middle of nowhere. They filled it a spot with Forbid Door,
But for like three weeks before Forbidden Door, and for a couple of weeks
after Forbidden Door, they were setting up Forbidden Door specifically, which meant that
nothing AW related was happening during that time except for throwing together matches. So
I used to refer to Forbid Door as the momentum killer, because you put
a total stop to everything that was being done in AW to focus on Forbidden
Door. And then again after Forbidden Door you had a couple of wrap button
matches, you know, and then then then you got aw agains. But
for a month and a half or at least a month on the week of
the month of Forbidden Door, all AW activity stopped, and that that was
a momentum killer. Now if you look at it this year, I don't
have a problem with it. Why because you've got the whole thing with Jack
Perry going to through Japan and being familiar with that over there, so he's
got a little bit of a foot in the door in New Japan. You've
got John Moxley as the IWGP champion. You've had Eddie Kingston until very recently
as the Strong open Weight Championship champion. You've seen in the women's division.
You've had Mina Shirakawa over here, You've had ACM, You've had tam Na
Kano, You've had three other women from stardom over here. That's the kind
of thing you do, you slowly incorporated building a mistique. And they've actually
built a mystique with like Mina Shirakawa. There's a story going on there.
There's a story with Willow Nightingale going over to startup just this past week and
Miking tam Tocano. So they're doing things that make sense, but not forgetting
or pushing aside ae W stuff. Yeah, And I would say like the
first year for bidd Indor they had injuries and oh yeah, it was not
a strong card. And last year's for bid Indor was a lot more interesting.
They had Omega Osprey too, they had Ocatta Danielson, So there it
was a lot more interesting to me and exciting. And I really like for
Bid Indor just the concept that they can have that, and I'm hoping it's
much more integrated this year. Yeah. I mean, yeah, that's what
you want and you want my boy, yeah, you know. But I
think really the important thing with Forbidden Door is in the meaningful matches. Have
somebody who came through Forbidden Door win at least one or two of them.
I mean, because it's I hate to say it, but you know,
somebody brought up Battle of the Belts earlier. Forbidden Door's this Battle of the
Belts, buddy, it's just Battle of the Belts. Well, I understand
that, and I get it and all, but it's like anything else.
There's not too many companies, even well in New Japan. I can't really,
you can't really say that because New Japan will put up to whoever they
win will be the best for the match. And that's always been the problem
with American wrestling. Whoever is running that company wants their people to win,
and I don't. I don't, I don't see I. Unfortunately, it's
never been different, and that's one of the biggest reasons why people always complained
that, you know, WWE would never you know, somebody somebody told me
the other day we were talking about the Forbidden Door, and they said,
yeah, well, it would be cool to see you guys from w W
in there. I said, yeah, that would be cool too. If
if if w W E con get it to their head that they're not going
to win every match, because that's why companies don't like working with them.
Tony's getting he'll get to the point hopefully where that will change. But there
are some things in a W that they do that they just might as well
not because you already know what's gonna happen, And if you could schedule them
the whole year long, and you're gonna know the Battle of the Belts,
never going to see a belt change, never have yet. Eliminator matches.
What the hell is the point of an eliminator match because champions never lose,
so you know, in no And I think there was one time that's happened,
and that was like in the first year, but I can't remember it
was somebody I know. I know that thunder ROSSA went to Japan to t
j p W and lost the eliminator match. To me. You you have
Ashida, so MEA, you have Ashida got a World Championship match and came
to the United States and fought thunder Ross on TV and lost. I think
that's the only one that's been that way. They're five years in, you've
got one of those happened, makes no sense. I mean, we all
know, we all know the wrestlings predictable. I mean, you sit there
and you can It's gonna be hard to give everybody what they want. It's
gonna be hard to make it so that, you know, people can say,
you know, wow, this card like tonight or tomorrow night's card,
you pretty much knew who's gonna win them all. It's a set up matches,
set up matches for the for the pay per view. It gives everybody
involved in the pay per view chance to be in the in the show beforehand
and ask you a question. Let me ask you a question. Do you
guys? This is what just answer all at once if you want. Do
you guys remember when Action Andretti beat Chris Jericho? Yep, yeah, yep.
Do you remember when Chris Jericho beat Action Andretti a couple months later?
Nope? No, no, Why Because Action Andretti beating Chris Jericho was unpredictable.
It was entertaining. That's what AW has to do. That's what all
wrestling companies have to do. It doesn't matter if you put on a great
match, it really doesn't. You could have an average match, but if
the result is unpredictable, it's going to be memorable. Remember when I believe
Bill Goldberg's first match was against you Morrison in w c W. Nobody knew
who Bill Bill Goldberg was. He came out and he won. That was
a big moment. Why because it was unpredictable. Well, unfortunately, everybody
that worked for WCW knew who Bill Goldberg was, but the fans didn't because
he never wrestled before. Right, Yeah, I get what you're saying fans.
I'm not talking about the people. Unfortunately, Unfortunately, that's just not
how it's ever been done. I mean, you do get some that are
unpredictable. Sometimes it's because when injury in a match. Uh like when uh
the international title was given to uh shooting what's his name Phoenix? Yeah,
Ray Phoenix. When there was an injury in that match, it was unintentionally
unpredictable. Yeah, right, but I mean, well I get it,
but I mean it was still a surprise. But you know, it comes
down to it, it's great to have that happen, and it's it's a
it's a it's something that's it seems like it's always been that way. It
would be great it wasn't, but A W is really bad at it though,
Well, and there, and and there's still you got to think about
it. They're still in their incumbency, there their infancy. I don't I
can't use that as an excuse. Cannot use that as an excuse. I
don't know. I think the opposite way. I think a lot of their
matches are just done phenomenal matches and it really doesn't matter is if they if
they to me, if the match is a phenomenal match and you know who's
gonna win it, I would rather see a phenomenal match than a master that
goes half assed and you know, you know he's gonna win. Look,
actually a Dready and great Chris Jercho. That was a great match. But
people remember it because of who won it. Oh yeah, not because it
was a great match. They remember it because they who want it and how
impressive he was and winning it meeting actually a Dready. I mean, you're
not gonna get somebody like Sir Pentico going out there and beating Squerve Strickland,
and that's kind of unbelievable. And nothing against Sir Pentaco. He is actually
a really good wrestler, But that's unbelievable. But you know, Mariah May
going against Tony storm ary mation with that match baking because predictably it's Tony Storm.
You gotta go against every once in a while, you got to go
against the norm, and sure it has to be a reason. You've got
to be able to give somebody a push. But I'm sorry, but throwing
Brian Keith against whoever the helly wrestle did in the qualifier match on on uh
what was Jack cart Wheel? I think it was U qualifier match on Collision.
You knew that Jack cart Wheel wasn't going to be going into Double or
Nothing pay per view for a you know, go well, go with the
Dynamite for a chance for a pay per view appearance at Double or Nothing.
That for you know, to qualify, that's that's preposterous. So you knew
who was gonna win a Shabbata match. You know who's gonna win the win
the hook match, et cetera. And you know what, let's go on
to the Dynamite preview and why we're on this subject, Let's talk about the
qualifier match for who will face Chris Jericho for the for the World Championship at
Double or Nothing. It's going to be Shabata versus the Bounty Hunter Brian Keith
versus Hook. Uh are you suggesting that this is a predictable match? Calson
though, Well, no, I what with it? Because we were talking
about, you know, the qualifier matches being predictable. Now this is the
ultimate qualifier match. Conventional wisdom would say to Hook's gonna predictably win this match.
I don't think Brian Keith stands a snowswall's chance in hell of winning this
match. Shabbata has a chance, you know. Uh, but wait,
the way I look at it, Uh, the way I look at it
is that uh. Here, here's my my one in a million prediction.
Is that remember when Hook and and uh Chris Jericho were partners with Shabbata and
Hook and Hook and Chris Jericho kind of got into it, Shabata got pinned.
Maybe this is retribution. Maybe Hook and Brian Keith get into it at
Chabata gets the pin, you know, so maybe it will be Shabbata going
into double or nothing. Let me be honest with you, I really don't
want to see another Hook and Chris Jericho match. I would really root for
Brian Keith and or uh Shabata to win it. I don't know about you,
guys, So let me know my fantasy. Yeah, go ahead,
go ahead, Uh, okay, what is passed among I would book it.
You know, he talks about surprises, but I would love to see
you know, Jericho kind of getting because he doesn't want to face Hook or
Shabata and they somehow it's heat and it be uh Brian Keith versus Trip versus
Chris Jerker. It could. It could put Brian Keith on the map and
show people that he can still go. He can go with Chris Jericho and
put on a good match. Yes, I know he won't win, but
it would be nice because I like Hook and I like Shabata, but they
both face Jericho and it's time to let other people shine. It will remind
me of a match, you know, like Chris Jerke, like back in
the day when Felton Benjamin beat Triple H and stuff like that, where it's
a good there's a decent chance. But Keith lee to me ise who look
to do it? I think Shapada would be a good match. I don't
want to see another Hook right now, and I don't think they need that
because he doesn't need because Hook doesn't need to get the belt back right away.
Well, if Brian Keith wins the match, MK, would you agree
that that is not a good pay per view buy? And that's a zero
hour match against Christ Jericho. Well, but that title is ben zero hour
before, so I mean, but I don't think Chris Ego could contain being
a zero hours so I don't know. Yeah, I I feel like I
would definitely say like one hundred percent or ninety nine point nine percent hook is
winning here. I I'd love to see more Brian Keith. I'd love Apparently
he's a supernatural bounty hunter. I heard him saying that on his podcast,
and I don't think I don't think that's ever been conveyed on aw television.
And I'd like to see him in a feud with like Shane Taylor and see
more about his character and what makes him a banty hunter with real much.
Yeah. Yeah, he's like the little undertaker, I guess, the bounty
hunter instead of a funeral home guy. That's that's just what he's That's what
he's described his character. That's why I mean, it's not the least weird
you know, we have. Abo was gonna say he could give him something
to do, he could be a team with Abdon, like they could back
each other up. I don't know, yeah, yeah, yeah, I
think it could be funny. But yeah, this match, I think we're
gonna see some drama between Shabata and Hook. I saw someone post somewhere an
image of Shebata leaving his collision match through the heel tunnel, so I thought.
I started thinking in my head. One of is if we see Shebata
join the Learning Tree, Oh, I need to put him there. And
I don't know, I don't know what about that makes me happy, but
I could see it being pretty funny and pretty good. He could be the
bon learn That's true. That is true. No comment. It's a little
bit racist though, no not. I know it is. And I'm just
saying, you know, this is the Internet. Somebody's gonna call you racist
first. That's just getting ahead of it. I can anymore. We're getting
were everybody else, anybody else want to talk about this? Frankly, what
I feel is like the most ridiculous batch. It is. It is,
But you know, I want to hate Chris Jericho so much. That Learning
Tree is so obnoxious and so ridiculous, but it's just so funny every time
I listen to him talk, it just gets funnier and funnier. It's unbelievable
how unaware he seems to be of exactly how aggravating he is to those around
him, and it's it's so silly. I can't believe he's doing that.
Yeah, I don't know after this, that's why. Yeah, I guess
so. I wonder what he's gonna do next, you know, like,
what else is there for Chris Jared? What else? Exactly what else he's
done everything? Yeah, Alex, if you don't mind, I'm going to
bring up the next segment is, well, I know it's your turn.
I want to bring up this is a three part segment because I really don't
want to talk about these very very often, very much. Uh. John
Moxley is going to be in the building. I shit you not. That's
what the promo says. John Moxley will be in the building. Who gives
a flying you know what? Uh. The second part is the Bag Bang
Gang will be at Dynamite. Hey, the promotional people over at a w
are knocking it out of the park set sarcastically. And the third thing is
we're getting a TBS Championship preview between Willow Nightingale and uh and Mercedes Monet,
which has been having the has it the last three months? Been a TBS
Championship preview? Why do we need another one? I don't understand it.
These three segments are like wrap it up nice and tight, you know,
rease it up real nice, and shove it up. You're you know what?
Tiller, especially just saying TBS Championship preview, that just sounds like a
video package or something like god yeah, possibly a venu or interview between the
two. I just think it's a good way to get Mercedes Monet on TV
and let her to learn how to get promos better, teaching an old dog
new trick. The one thing that the one thing that you might see actually
happen in that it's because of what happened this weekend. But Tam said something
about, you know, she's not happy that she lost, and she really
had claimed that she was going to be the one defending that title next weekend,
so she could be. They could have them too, john at each
other and have her come out and challenge the winner or do something to be
involved. Yeah, before it, before I had heard of the match,
because I'm sorry, I this match I have a interest in seeing as someone
who has never seen Mercedes Monet or Sasha Banks for Rust Alive meaning on TV,
even I've watched replays of a couple of her matches, I'm interested to
see what she could do. I already know what Willow Nightingale can do,
and uh well, I'll just face it for me, tam Tocano is five
times the wrestler that Willow Nightingale is, So I kind of like to see
tam To Conno added to the match at Double or Nothing or something. Maybe
she comes out and does something so that Mercedes does win so Willow doesn't get
a clean pin. I don't want to talk about it too much because we're
gonna be doing a Double or Nothing preview show tomorrow night, but I think
tam To Coano may get involved in that match at a point where we have
a match between Mercedes and tam at Forbidden Door. H Like you said about
Monet, I got to thinking about that. I haven't seen her wrestle in
a long time, and the more I think about it, I was never
that impressed with her wrestling ability either. She was just to me, she
was just kind of like one of those she had a gimmick, and that
was basically it for her. It wasn't. She wasn't. I mean,
there's not a whole many too many in the other company that impressed me as
wrestlers. Here's the thing. When you look at the AW fat up subred
and there are a lot of people on there like me who their only exposure
to Sasha Banks Mercedes Monette has been since she's been an aw one like me.
Her promotion, her, her her personality is confusing to me because she
comes out and has these really phoned in CEO chants built into her music,
which bothers the heck out of me. She calls herself the CEO for no
reason whatsoever. That's like me calling myself the mountain. I mean, there's
no reason for it, but hey, so I'll just call myself the mountain.
And and then she's got you know, people say she's the CEO for
no reason, and all she does is as I say, most of the
time, people are much nicer than I am when they say it. But
the only thing that she does is fall over her tongue and do that stupid
goddamn dance. Well, that's the thing she's building on her history from WWE.
That's what this is. And that's one of the things I thought was
kind of weird that when they brought her in they were going to continue in
it with slight differences her character as what she was when she was in WW.
It made no sense. I mean, you know, you bring in
uh, well, let's see you got came in. He changed just he
changed completely, And I really can't do that, I said. And I
didn't change change much either when he came in. No, but I mean,
but he's he's but he wasn't that over. I guess it's more like
WW still has an issue when it comes to making the women like they tried
to get away from the big time, over the top characterizations like they had
way back in the days with like uh, you know before when they had
Undertaker and all those guys when they first started out. They didn't get away
from that with the women. They've they've not really done the women as just
them, and she had that, you know, it was like she was
the bank, she was the business woman. That was what it was,
and that's why she's the CEO. She was the bomba so that instead of
being called the boss, they call it a CEO. Instead. Yeah,
but they're the only woman in WWE that impressed me with wrestling would be the
man. Other than that, I've never really been impressed with any of them,
and Sasha was never there. So I get that she's a big name.
I think on the main roster she didn't do a whole lot, but
in NXT her matches versus Bailey, I feel like that kind of put I
don't want to say put women's wrestling on the map, because I think internationally
things have happened, but in America, Yeah, yeah, that was like
really a big moment. It was just treating women's wrestling as on the same
level as men's wrestling, giving the main event matches. It was just n
XT. It wasn't the main roster, and she didn't do as well there,
but that was like a big moment for me, and she had really
really great matches. That's on ten years ago at this point. But I
do you think she is the Yeah, yeah, out of the four horse
Women as they were called, I think Sasha was lower on that tote and
pool, but but she was all about her gimmick. You know. They
had Queen, you know, had Becky, and they had all those and
Sasha was more of the larger than life gimmick, and she couldn't. She
wrestled decently and she carried you a good mat But I really am interested to
see how she does have the title. I think they're putting because of her
name. I don't think she's earned it. I think they should have waited
to bring her in so they didn't have to wait forever in a day just
for her to see a match with her and maybe waited until she was ready,
so for a few times she'd actually have a even being tag mated.
But we don't know how she can go, and that feels like, you
know, kind of a waste because we don't know how good she is.
And she kind of stepped up the line when she said hey, I'm next,
when there was a whole line full of people that could have went.
So I think she stepped on some toes as well. Yeah, I have
to agree with you. Yeah, I agree, mm hmm, Gilson,
it's quiet. Anything else else, well, yeah, I think they presented
her as a big deal coming out of big business, and she hasn't done
a lot of favors for herself in like filling the shoes like they teed her
up and I don't think she hit it out of the park by any means.
Yes, but now she gets a chance to wrestle and show herself that
way, and hopefully she impresses. There's a lot of running online. Yeah,
she's supposed to be top dog, and I don't think she is.
I think Tony Storm is a better wrestler. I think Mariah Mays is a
better wrestler than her better actors too, like they're yeh charisma. I love
that Tony Sworm lives a gimmick even inside of wrestling. On that photo that
was posted from Tim from the wedding, that was funny to me too.
Yeah, but you know, but she's Tom's not that great of her wrestler,
but herr her persona is what puts her over and you know, leading
into there were nothing I don't you know, we know the winner of that
probably too. But there are a lot of people who are better than wrestlers
and than Mercedes, and she's gonad to step it up, and she can't
step it up, then I'm going to say that he right now, I
don't think that Mercedes Monette was worth the money that she's getting. Yeah,
and it's just weird that everybody else that the two gentlemen that came in at
the same time have been food blown, going balls out crazy with matches ever
since they came in. They wrestled almost every week. What didn't Why isn't
she wrestling? There's plenty of opportunities she had to get in the ring.
She's hurt? Is she still hurt? She was not cleared. She was
cleared to wrestle her first match at ard Nothing. We need to move on
because we've been speaking about this. Nobody said, hey, you know what,
we're just repeating ourselves over and I'm cutting this whole thing out of the
podcast because there's no sense of talking to it for talking about the same thing
for fifteen minutes. So let's move on to Alex uh yeah talking about newer
members of AW. We have a tag team match Orange Cassidy and will Ospray
versus Trent Burretta and Roderick Strong. Hey, I mean this match will go
either way, and it's interesting we're setting up both the Don Kallis family storyline,
the Orange Cassidy versus Trent Bretta storyline, will Ospray versus Roderick Strong.
Yeah, so I think there's a lot of drama at play in this match,
and I like all these guys as wrestlers, so I think it'll be
a pretty fun match. And there's history between Osprey and Orange Cassidy. Yes
they had. Yeah, I'm gonna say I'm give a spicy prediction, as
as Kelson says, and I really feel that this is the match that somebody
is going to turn, whether it's going to be Trent gonna turn but Trent's
gonna join Callous family or Orange Cassidy is going to do something, said it
because they don't have that match, and there has to be more of a
beef between Orange Cassidy and Trent than just have a match already that so something's
got to build. I don't know what, but I think there's something spicy's
gonna happen. There's a lot of tension there, but I don't know where
they're going with it. Every time I think there's gonna be a turn,
nothing happens, So I don't know, you know what. Here's here's my
opinion on this, Okay, and I'm going to actually talk about several of
the matches You've got Will Osbury and Roderick Strong Arett who have matches at double
or nothing? Tony Storm as a match at double or Nothing's worth. Strickland
has a match at double or nothing. Malachai Black, Brian Danielson, Well,
can I catcha Sorda has a match at double nothing? You've got all
these matches with people that are gonna rest on pay per view. What happens
if one of these people get injured on have an unfortunate injury? Why are
you having any of these matches? I literally will be watching this matches not
giving a day am about who wins or loses these matches. All I want
is for them all to come out of this healthy because these are stupid matches.
You gotta have them on there. I mean, you got to be
able to match. You got to give him a reason to watch, and
I would have watch prefer Brian John Moxley, Brian Danielson, can Testa,
Roderick Strong, Orange, Cassidy will Osprey, et cetera, et cetera will
be in the building. Yeah, but then there would be no wrestling on
their show. Sure will just be two hours of guys walking around backstage and
you just have walking up the and then it would be a raw so you
don't need a raw on on a Dynamite show. I mean, I'm just
saying this makes no sense. I'd mean, I'd rather see sky Blue against
Harley Cameron than have Tony Storm. In the tradition, it's always the same.
Every time you have a go home show or the beginning of the week
of that pay per view, they always had the guys involved in the pay
per view involved in matches. It's always been that way. I just I
just don't mind it, especially especially when you look at you know, the
unfortunate injuries that have plagued a w There's been injuries in WWE stardom. Now
even Merrigold had had uh as an injury. Julia got hurt. She's out,
so you know, Eddie Kingston's out until for nine months. You know.
It's just it's just like, don't kept faith. Don't you up your
pay per view for for a Dynamite that six hundred thousand people are going to
watch. Yeah, well, they're professionals, and like they're not going to
have a crazy match, like like Eddie Kingston broke his leg getting suplex out
of the ring through a table into the barricade. Yeah, hopefully they don't
do that, not dynamite, they might. I wouldn't put it past these
guys they like that, like Brian Danielson. I just said, there's a
report that he needs neck surgery, So what do they do? They put
him in a match with sat and them saying that doesn't mean that at all.
That's the one that question, that's that's kind of that's the one.
I agree. Malachi Black has a history of injuries over the last couple of
years, So what do you do before his big shot at the pay per
view? You put him in a match with Kyle O'Reilly, who also has
a history of injuries. You know you have you're world champion in a completely
meaningless match against Nick Wayne. Uh Ka is already in a meaningless match at
at double or nothing, So you're putting him in a match that against Matt
Sidel that there's no chance that Sidel's gonna win. So why even bother having
it. I just don't understand. I wouldn't put Nick Wayne versus as meaningless
because those who have a history and it's building that that swerve has to pay
for his past past deeds and what and what he did, So that one
I can't say, meaningless that had to least some grudge involved and that the
rest don't really. Yeah, the only problem I have with that is that's
over a year ago. But it's part of the past. I mean,
he can't move past that. Yeah, it's part of the past. But
they didn't continue that storyline, you know what I mean. He went into
that and then they moved on to two separate things. They went two separate
ways. It wasn't like it was something that's been going on for the last
year and then all of a sudden they're bringing back a year later, going
oh, yeah, well they had this last year, so well, I
just I kind of agree that it's kind of weird to have that match.
But but but but on second thought, this couldn't be part of a leading
to the downfall of Christian Cage mm hmm, because Wayne's trying to if he
you know, he could he could look at that as jealousy of Nick moving
in on his match beforehand, and that could help. Hopefully that's what it's
gonna do. Yeah, you would swear leaving Nick Wayne like drenched in blood
a year ago and now Nick Wayne got his revenge. Where was squirting blood
out on the ring last week and now they're going to have a match.
Yeah. I like this match. I think there's a lot of drama behind
it. It is obviously just the work like a try up or a work
up match for Swerve Strickland, but there's a lot more to it than just
that. And Nick Wayne's exciting and I yeah, I'm excited for this match.
Yeah. Well, just so you guys know, I mean, I've
said all that I'm gonna say. I have something else to say. I
think the rest of that died of my back. I think that the vast
majority of this side of my card makes no sense, and I honestly they'll
probably watching it with like, Okay, my only hope. I don't care
who wins, who loses anything. I just don't want anybody to get hurt.
So it doesn't ruin before nothing, because frankly, double or nothing is
we're coming from. But you know, so that's it, So enjoy the
rest of the podcast. I am out by ELK So okay, I'm gonna
I was gonna move on to Kyler Riley Malachi Black, but I'm Katie,
do you have something else to add? No, I was just inn comment
on Kyler Riley versus Malachi Black, But I think it's an uniful energy.
Yeah. I really think those who can go at it both are kind of
strikers. So that'll be a very good match to put those those two together.
I like Carler Riley doing good things. I'm glad he's away from the
abysmal mess that is on the Speaking Kingdom, so you know. And plus
Malachi is getting yet another singles match with by one by an award along the
graph about and say that he never gets him, and now he's getting him,
so they'll find something else to graph about me. But it's a big,
good match up, yeah, for sure. Like I I think Malachi
Black he had a singles match versus Brian Keith at one point. I think
he had one other one, but he really hasn't had a singles match versus
anyone with any real credibility or has actually one matches an ae W. So
I am excited for this match and their styles match up kind of beautifully.
Yeah, I'm really excited for this match. Kind of announced it in nowhere,
Yeah, really good. Surprised. Well, it's us into the storyline.
I mean it does because O'Riley had coming out to help. Uh,
yeah, Adam, But it's one of those things where it should be a
really good match. It might be the best match of the night, to
be honest about it. But yeah, I love Malachai. I think it's
a good thing for him. Hopefully you'll you know, it's one of those
things. It's a match that they'll put on and I think it'll be great.
It should. I don't say the reason why it wouldn't be. Mm
hmm, all right, Sutton, what match do you want to talk about
next? Oh, let's see, that's a good question. Well, let's
talk about the Giant. The Giant versus the the Dragon Good. Now,
honestly, this match makes absolutely no sense. I get it. It's about
the bounty, that the it's it's it's furthering the the the the e VP's
storyline of setting up the thing. But to be honest with you, this
is the one match that they really should not do. Yeah, it should
have been Jared or you know, somebody else, but putting him up against
a guy who is not that good a wrestler in the first place. I've
never seen something them do anything that made me impress that he was other than
what the old fashioned you know Giant that they had back in the old days.
He's just there because of his size. Great college, yeah, the
great colleague or Giant Gonzalez or you know the guys that were there who they
were, the favorite of the owner, the type of guy they wanted.
But I just don't see a reason why you have this match. I yeah,
yeah, Sat has been he's been fun a few times on TV.
I don't know if he's I can't picture him wrestling. I'm looking at its.
Apparently he wrestled in a twelve man match on Zero Hour against the Bang
Bank Scissor Gang. I guess he wrestled in a and then he wrestled on
Ring of Honor and a TV taping for Ring of Honor. But yeah,
he doesn't have a lot of matches. I think this match will be just
silly fun. Yeah. I can see Jeff Jarrett and his game getting involved
in this match somehow to getting paid by Jarrett to get involved, by the
by the e VP to get involved too. But Satin Seeing is very good
at being a part of a a good bit player. But we'll see how
how good Brian Anderson is He able a carry satinum platinum singing a match,
but e them, I can do it. It's it's brand and oh yeah,
they'll definitely. I mean it could be a great match, a good
match. I won't say a great match, but the the good that could
come out of it compared to what could happen bad, there's no way in
this one that you would do that. Now, if they get in the
ring and they have a few minutes and they go at each other a couple
of times and then all hell breaks loose and you've got FTR coming out because
they're not on a match, and you get Darby come out, and Jeff
and the other everybody else come out, and you have a big old beat
down in the middle of the ring. That would be good, and that
might be what happens, but yeah, I don't know. This is just
weird. This seems like a like a filler match. Yeah, yeah,
like it's filler, but it's so weird that it's interesting. Like like if
you compare the Keno skated catch the Matt side ow, that's that's just you
know, that's just there so to catch they can get a win before,
but is very good. I mean he's yeah, y, when's the last
time to catch the wrestle. I can't teach. I think it's been a
while since he's had a match. Uh he did against Offbreay. Uh the
last pair you did those two weeks ago, two three weeks ago. Yes,
I'm looking on the internet. They had. He had a match like
a month ago at tag team match, him and Fletcher versus Danielson and Claudio
Costa on the bunk House Brawl match. I think that was right before.
Yeah, that's why you have that match. Yeah, but but I mean
Matt Soidell is very good at putting on good moves and moves, and you
know he was the one who had the cool r KO back in the day,
oh from a shooting star press. Yes, you know, he's good
enough. You know, he's very good at pitting people over. He will
never be the top guy. He may never get another belt. But Matt
Sidell has a long history and he's he's a guy who I enjoy every match
he's in. Mm hmm. Do you guys know why he's called Matt Sidell.
No. Apparently he was a big fan of Sab who was like the
suicidal genocidal and then he wanted to be the Matt Fidal, which doesn't make
I just thought that was funny. That's very interesting. M M. Yeah,
it's a Sabo reference. So it'll be the story. It'll be the
title match or the Nick Wayne versus Uh you think, yeah, probably that'll
be the event. Like I would Malachite Black match just because that seems the
most interesting. But yeah, well you never know what them because because a
couple last week or so, it would the one went out next to last
and the main event was Young Bucks coming out or something like that. I
can't remember which one it was. So they had a history of we know
there's an overrun tory been said so past months, an overrun. If you
if if I was to choose the match, it would be the final match
based on there being an overrun, it would have to be the Settingham Thing
and Brian Danielson because you know what I mean, there's there's there's there's no
other there's no other match on the card that would require an overrun. Now,
I mean you could have one from the Malachy Black Thing because Adam Adam
Copeman could come out and they could do the whole thing like that. You
have the sword too, because yeah, I mean, yeah, that's true.
I mean that that could be in there. My question though we haven't
talked about it, but but I've just been bugging me. So you've got
that. We talked about the tag team match between Orange Cassidy and Osprey versus
Trent and uh Rodert. But here's my question. If there you know,
we somebody said something about Don Callis, but when's Don Callus gonna start helping
Osprey again? He's not, I think, okay, I think they're heading
into he doesn't want their help. Oh, I guess that. But when's
that ever stopped? Callous? Yeah, you know what I mean, he's
done absolutely After the three matches that Osprey had with the three members of the
family, that was it, he's not been a I mean they were one
time in the background they talked about the after that match, but other than
that, there's been nothing. But he's supposed to be Don Kallas's golden boy.
Yeah, yeah, Like he's the guy that won all those matches,
so he should be the number one guy in Don Kallis's hard But yes,
Don Callas, then Don Kallas should be sending his guys after him to beat
him up, right, yeah, right, it happened, left it,
Yeah, and it just it just kind of stuck out to me that that's
not been something that nobody's mentioned it, which is odd to me because I
mean you would think, you know, we talked about for the longest time,
how who's going to be this, what they're gonna do with that,
and then you've got rats Cassley might join, Trumperetta might join. Who's he
gonna go with there? But nobody says anything about that, And I'm sitting
there going, what the hell is he up to? Because you know,
he's got to be up to something? Mm hmm. Yeah. And I
feel that could play heavily in to Forbidden Door. And Tony Kahn has a
tendency in these like go home pay per views before the big shows to hint
at things that come for the next pay per view, So we're Forbidden Door,
so we could see someone show up or hints at what a possible matches
for after. Yeah, I know k Kelson's upset about these matches and doesn't
see the thing for him, what's he gonna say when they start scheduling some
of these guys in matches on Saturday. I mean, you know, you
still got two more shows to go before the pay per view. Yeah,
it'll be interesting. It does make it a tough sell, like that that
Saturday show before the pay per view. Usually they end up filming it like
on the Thursday. They don't do it live after or after Dynamite. Yeah,
yeah, for sure, it'll be interesting. It'll be a good show.
I just don't know, you know, I get what everything's about,
but mm hmm, it's just it seems to me that it's really a lot
of things you've got not You've got eight matches plus three three side things.
That's a lot to do on a two on a two hour show. Yeah,
yeah, for sure. I guess one last match we haven't talked about
Tony storm rim A versus Sri Harley Cameron. I don't see a lot of
uh excitement here. They've had like kind of a mini storyline with Soriah Harley
Cameron, Tony storm Mariam. We're getting three Her Harley Cameron matches in a
bro on Dynamite. I don't know. Maybe we'll see a little bit of
tension between Tony Stormer and Mariah May heading into the pay per view. Mm
hmmm. Oh, there's nothing with Seringadeed either, So I don't know.
That's what's complexing me, is why I don't has she had a match on
Collision that I've missed or I remember she had a match on Collision, Okay,
she wrestled. Who did she wrestle? I don't remember. It was
somebody she'd be not too long ago. I don't. I don't know,
but they're not treating this Serena Deep. You very good, and I kind
of feel sorry for Serena Deep in a way because I haven't gotten the publicity
that uh Brazo or Rosa has, so I don't know what to deal with
with that. Mm hmm. Yeah. If I just showed you these match
cards, you'd think you'd think we were getting Tony Storm versus like Sayah on
the pay per view. It is a little strange. Yeah, m hm.
Well, you know, it's one of those things that I think it
would have been better, a better benefit to Deep had they done whatever they're
going to do to separate Storm from Mariah and got that taken care of before
they give her a title shot, because deeds being put into a match a
month after she got put into it for actually no reason. But there's so
many other things going on around her that she's not being fit into that kind
of It kind of does make her like almost unimportant. Yeah, yeah,
for sure, And it's definitely felt that way. It makes it feel like
they have a zero percent chance that Serena deep wins. Yeah, they're really
I don't I don't know why they're doing this, but they She deserves so
much better. I know she'll never be the top woman in a woman's division,
but she deserves a better treatment in my opinion. Yeah, for sure.
Like I could definitely see her with the TBS championship at some point.
I don't see anytime in the near future because it's theoretically going to be with
Mercedes and then he's gonna will live for probably quite a while. But yeah,
yeah, yeah, I don't know. I think that's it. Yeah,
okay, no this entire time. Do what I said. I said,
if I've been muted this and I've just been talking to talking to talking
to nobody who's paid attention to me. Never mind, we're just ignoring you
now, So I thought, I think you're anyway your micro anyway, But
overall, I think this will be a I don't see this being a rip
A good time for DIALD. This won't be there. This would be a
very low grade uh dynamite for me. I think I don't know it would
be in decent dynamite. Sorry, you got decent matches. It's just it's
just one of those that it is kind of a filler show that you know,
you really could probably do without it. But like I said, I
wonder how you're gonna feel, Kelsey when they put some of these guys in
matches on Collision this weekend. I think Collision has already been taped, so
it won't bother me. Oh it has, yeah, because they're not stupid
enough to do that. Yeah, Closure was taped last week. Oh that's
good. So I'm not sure. Now I may be wrong, but I'm
pretty sure it's been That makes sense that they've been doing. Yeah, but
uh, I've already said my myself anyway, what I might have it?
I don't know. So are we finished talking about dynamite? Yeah? We
cover everything or everything? Yeah? Okay, great, Well that was a
great show, guys. Sorry I talked so much. Tomorrow night we will
cover everybody who gets their arms broken and teeth ripped out, and then we
will do our dynamite pre dynamite holy cow, I almost said Dynasty. I
did want to say Dynasty, so I said Dynamite instead when I met double
or Nothing, Double or Nothing Preview and prediction show. So get your score
cards out ahead of time, and I'm hoping that we have at least a
you know, one or two more matches revealed tomorrow night for Zero hour or
even the main show. You never know. I could see thunder rosson Diana
Pronzo. Somebody mentioned them earlier. Maybe they'll get a zero hour match anyway,
So we will see you tomorrow night for all we talked, for all
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