Hello, ladies and gentlemen, Welcome back to another episode of the Keek Verst
podcast. I am one of your hosts, the Hmmm Taylor Field, and
I am joined by I Am Not All Bad Kirkland Patzer and I am the
Idiot with two needlers Dolmas. Yes we are here because, as a wise
man, mister Patser once said, at the end of all things, we
are at the finale. We're at the finale of Halo season two, episode
eight. We're gonna be talking spoilers tonight, so if you haven't seen the
episode, go watch it and you can come back after we got our non
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amazing. What about you, Kirkling, You got anything going on? I
got just Halo on the brain right now. It's a little practice this goose
egg. Well, who wants to take it away with non spoilers? What
are your guys' thoughts? Give it to Halo brain over here, Halo Brain.
Yeah, I'm hot off the episode. I literally just finished it like
ten to fifteen minutes ago, and it's I was like thinking about so many
other like shows and stuff like just making me think of how this show makes
me feel because I've gone I feel like I've gone through certain emotions of just
getting super super hype on the way that they just nail like certain haloisms.
They're usually super few and far between, but when they hit them like they
certainly hit them dead on the center. And I think this episode had a
few of those more so than I think any other place of this season so
far. I think season one maybe had a little bit more, But there
was definitely some moments that I was actually like getting pretty hyped on. I
got like semi emotional at one point of the show, which is just hilarious
because I am not attached to, like really any of these characters, and
the character that I was feeling most attached to was like a super side character,
being one of the Covenant members, and I just I kind of chuckled
at the fact that it was making me feel that way on like such a
minor character that just goes to show how like poorly I think our main characters
are written for the most part. While I was watching this, I was
thinking of, like, man, maybe this is a better show if they
just kill off master Chief and just just like get rid of the main head
haun show. It's again, like it's a funny feeling to be thinking about
like what this show is trying to do, and it's just kind of pushing
me in the other direction. But as I was saying with my name,
like, I definitely think this there's not all bad content throughout probably the show
in general, but mostly for this episode, when it reaches certain highs,
it makes me forget a little bit of the mishaps. But then, you
know, in classic Halo fashion, at least for the TV series, they
bring in a lot of things for you to just not like at all.
I don't know that this is a bit of a mixed bag of an episode
for me. I think it'll be a fun one to kind of break down
because I think there is kind of a lot to talk about with just the
various areas that certain characters are in. We say go a bye to you
know, certain characters in this episode. But yeah, I think as a
finale for what this season is it it doesn't save it by any means,
but I think this is a higher point at least for me personally. Like,
you know, Taylor, you were super high on the last episode.
I think, Dylan, you were maybe last episode of the second last episode.
I think this was my episode in that sense of finally I have one
that I'm I'm kind of giving possibly a thumbs up. But I don't know.
Maybe if we break down certain things, I'll just get reminded on some
on some garbage, because yeah, this is not a perfect show by any
means. And I don't know, I just want to talk about certain things,
so I'll just pass it along to you guys so that we can die
right into the episode. But yeah, I think I can be pretty quick
here. Once again, I had a good time this week. So that's
pretty awesome to see that. You know, this whole, this season as
a whole, was mostly a drag, but then, like you know,
the final twenty five percent of the last two episodes worked for me, and
we're entertaining. We're a good time in this episode in particular, there's so
many big swings they take here. I don't think all of it necessarily as
a home number. A lot of it also feels like kind of a setup
for next season in a way, but it's like it's bold stuff, and
so it's entertaining. It was like fun on screen, I think because there's
so much going on. There wasn't really any filler in this episode there,
and you know, there's always there's a couple of character storylines that we have
not been a big fan of, but I felt like even those were turned
a bit more fun because of the surrounding content new things that were going on.
So definitely a lot going on here. And I think because that it's
probably a bit messy, but it's also like it was only like an hour
and it kind of once again breezed by, Like I felt like it was
just a lot a lot going on and it was all like fairly fun.
So yeah, I'm I'm pretty pleased at the end of the day. Like
just it's always good to have a strong ending, and we had a nice
two episodes swing here at the end that I was a pretty big fan of.
I guess, so I'm happy. I really, you know, I
would have been great if I love the whole season, but like, I'm
not gonna complain at this point. I'm pretty happy with where we left off.
I see, you got some Halo games erect in the back ground there
and three my favorite, and then Reach there and then more couple of spines
if you look really close. Oh, I might need my magnifying glass,
so check that on the recast episode. Yeah, I am dare I say
reluctantly positive on this episode. That's three in a row for you, isn't
it. That is three in a row for me this season. I don't
like admitting that I'm more positive on this finale, but it is because of
those bold swings like you mentioned Dylan, but it's done messily. I'm getting
to see things that I like, but it's it's just it's it's it was
unpleasantly achieved. It's like being in a really toxic relationship and you just have
like you go on a date every so often with them, with the person,
it's like really nice and wonderful, like you're just going to like a
buffet, you're gonna do something, realize, but then ninety percent of the
time when you're not going on a day, it's just toxic. It's fucking
atrocious. And that's what this kind of feels like. So the I there's
introductions, there's there's story narratives and plots and stuff that they're really tackling in
here, and I feel like they, really, like you said, they
cram so much into here, and that is why I like it, because
there's so many haloisms that they've implemented in this episode. But it's messy,
and from a general audience's perspective, I don't know how they would handle it.
Where a few of my friends that haven't played Halo, but they're watching
the show and they think, oh, you know, it's not a bad
show, it's kind of decent. But I don't know how they would handle
seeing so many things that were boldly introduced in this episode, because it's so
confusing where we've had such a slow build up and a slow burn. Reach
was done in an episode and a half if that, which is such a
huge thing. Yeah, which is crazy, and just to transition from like
Reach should have been at least half a seat and it should have been a
huge, epic scale thing, but they really diminished it. And I feel
like all the story points that they introduced and they covered in six episodes were
cast it aside, and they didn't even do a good enough job at leading
towards what we are at now. I feel like what we're at now should
have been It should have like Reach should have been four episodes, and then
where we're at now in these last two episodes should have been to pick me
up after how can I say this Reach four episodes and then give us like
two episodes to build up to where we are at now, and then everything
they introduced in this episode shouldn't have been introduced. They should have saved this
for later, and then they should have maybe hinted at this more like last
week's episode could have been a good finale. They should have just spaced it
all out better. But we could have cut that random episode in that town
that I already heard the name, yeah totally, the bonfires Vanik and and
the yeah so much. Let's cut the this guy's funeral, none of the
other stuff like that. Cut the funeral quant attacking the villagers with her shovel.
It's so much shit that I didn't need, and they threw in there.
So uh yeah, I just nothing else I can say a non spoilers.
The rest is all gonna be spoiler talk. And then he said I
know him being negative, and I said, I'm reluctantly positive, but there
are some stuff that I think that was really cool. It was nice to
see. It's just unfortunate that they implemented it in such a poor story narrative
way. So, man, one last thing I'll say before we Joe with
the spoilers. I was saying, I was thinking of certain shows while I
was watching this episode, one of them being Bobafet, and I absolutely hate
that show. That show actually brought down the character of Boba fet my eyes.
I just don't like that character. Anymore. It's funny because I feel
like before that he was just such a badass. He looked such a bad
like such a badass. Didn't really know too much about him, but I
just knew that he was a badass. That's pretty much the same thing with
me and master Chief. I feel like I don't actually know this character,
even like I've played him for so many like so many years throughout the Halo
campaigns, and I, like, again preface, I didn't like stay super
focused on like what goes on in the campaigns, mostly just like doing the
missions, probably cutting sorry skipping cut scenes here and there, but just the
character. I really don't know too much about him, but he's such a
badass. And then we're getting these like Pablo moments throughout this season, and
I'm just like, I just don't think I like this character anymore. You
know, you know, I should hold up and maybe dive into some books
because I'm like, well, actually, I guess there is some uh like
Halo Legends novels on Boba fet. I'm sure that like tell a good story
about him, and I know that there's great Halo books that you know,
talk about this character. But just for what portrayed in the show. I'm
just like, man, wea did take like just such an icon of a
character and just really make him feel like a Dufis And like doubling down what
I was saying, I'm just like, I think you don't really need this
character to tell this story. By the end of the episode, maybe he
is pretty for the story reasons, but uh yeah, it's unfortunate. Just
kind of how I'm feeling on Master Chief through two seasons. Like it's like
it's all like he was really good in season one, it's just overall the
character I'm not not fond of. Yeah, well, anything else you guys
got or should we taking that break and get into spoilers. I'm really just
spoiler it out all right, I'm gonna spoil it out in three two one
and we are back. So where do you guys want to start in the
world of spoilers. Well, I mean it's a big topic, but we
got to talk about the flood, right particularly, so you know last week
and just this whole scene, we've were talking about what the cannon event is
for, how Chief and others get to the ring, and how they've changed
that we kind of I think at this point, we've probably all accepted that,
or more mostly Taylor, who's like deep on the Lord. It's like,
okay, just how this series decided to make it. So we find
the ring, but I'm curious, but first of all, the flood,
Like how different this is from the games and books or whatever, because like,
I don't know, I could not tell you a single story beat about
the flood. I remember fighting them, but I don't remember like what the
origins are and whatnot. So I'm curious how like closely it compares and if
you like what I presume the twists and turns they've taken it in the series.
So every installation, every Halo installation has flood samples on it. And
after the Forerunners basically took out their food source because the Flood need anything with
the nervous system to tap into sentient life doesn't look good for us, so
that's what they need. And so when the flood was spreading, the fore
Runners basically put all the main species, humans, elites, everyone bruts all
in these capsules that would be unaffected by the Halo rings, and they activate
the rings, and the remaining four Runners died out, left the galaxy and
boom. There you go. They left the only remaining flood samples left in
the Halo Rings to be studied by future civilizations to create a cure. So
enter Halo one where you have the Covenants on the Ring. The Covenant encounter
the flood and they seal off the flood and contain it well. Captain Keyes
and the unsc think that it's actually a weapons cache that the Covenant was stockpiling,
so they take out the Covenant guarding the area and break into it,
and the flood just go rampant and they go loose. The flood spread all
over the Ring, and it gets to the point where the flood take over
like the Covenant cruiser, and they take over keys, and they're turning Captain
Keys into a Grave Mind, which is like a sentient. Flood are higher
key of command. So the flood at the base level of what they're what
you see in this episode two, they're like drones. Anything that's living nearby,
they're going to attack, and their objective is to grow rapidly, expand
and to form a colossal organic piece called the Grave Mind, and that Grave
Mind will then be able to distribute commands and collectively consciously control everything like a
hive mind. So that's their goal. And in Halo one, all the
flood gets destroyed. That's great. And then obviously they find another installation,
another Halo ring in Halo two, and that has flood on it. The
flood outbreak kind of occurred sooner without the Covenant and the humans getting there,
and the Grave Mind formed on there, and the Grave Mind is the villain
Halo three. And yeah, yeah, yeah. There are other worlds that
have flood outbreaks, you see that in Halo, Halo Wars and such,
but this in particular is very different. It's different because to my knowledge,
Onyx didn't have a flood outbreak, it didn't have any flood related stuff in
the Forerunner vault that they checked into the way that the flood spreads. There's
only one instance where you see maybe a character get infected in Halo where they
aren't directly attached by like an infectious form and the infectious forms. I took
this with a grain of salt, and I really tread lightly in here and
their adaptation of the flood, and actually I'm pretty positive to it, because
well, they they they've skipped over meeting the flood on the Halo Ring,
which I think is a shot in the foot. I really don't like that.
I don't like how they introduced it as spores here, but the fact
that it is spores in this little device I'm okay with and I can I
can get on board with that for the most part. The little smaller infectious
forms things, I thought that was interesting, A normal flood sized infection form,
like yeah, I'm sure you guys have seen in the game. So
they're like the size of a human head, maybe a bit bigger. I
think of the face grabbers from Half Life whenever I think of those things,
if you know what I'm talking about, basically the face grabber, the face
hugger from Alien as well to same idea. Yeah, I don't know if
that answers your question, Dylan, No, I mean that even just like
the origin of them being on the ring generally speaking versus Yeah, it coming
from that vault and Onyx getting taken up to the space station and then breaking
open there and spreading from there. So you'd think, like, I mean,
I guess it's two like one, it is kind of contained to that
ship. But then also once it gets smart enough, it can use these
ships to like navigate elsewhere and keep spreading. I guess, so that kind
of sets up kind of two ways that it could occur if we were to
get to a season three there. But no, I like to hear that
that kind of difference of the origin of it. But I that was just
to me. I thought it was like really successful in this episode. And
once again, I'm not really comparing it to my knowledge of the story because
in the Games, because oh my god, my memory is not that good.
But I thought like the horror element of it, the creepy element of
it, the way it was shot, you know, the very zombie like
acting of these people, and then eventually we do get like more of the
kind of pussy flood that we know and love, and you just love shooting
their pimples and watching them pop and all that stuff. I thought all of
it was just fun. I mean, I just love a good zombie movie,
and it was just like that kind of contained within the finale of this
show. So yeah, definitely made for a lot going on in this episode.
But I thought all of it was was good. And also, you
know, not a big fan of Soren and in that whole family, and
you know, Lara she's she's a bit the bullet. Now she's gone,
So I guess that's a that's a plus Onli And sorry sorry Lara about that.
Yeah. I for me, I don't know, I feel like I'm
not fully sold on the Flood as of right now, like it maybe it's
just too close to how like Infected in the Last of Us kind of went
like that show is still kind of kind of sleep my mind with the sport.
Yeah, like the I think specifically the harry in the mouth thing,
the hairry in the mouth thing, the hairy mouth object that was in there,
Yeah, coming down their throat. It was just a little bit too
samesease in that sense. I did like when like the zombie carried well,
I guess just the infected uh started to like really morph into like the objects
a little bit more that I remember, from looking more like flood like as
opposed to just being like a zombie. But I don't know, Like maybe
we'll see next season if it's a little bit more like the Flood that we
know as opposed to just zombie characters, maybe that'll that'll win me over a
little bit more. The whole infection thing. Yeah, I'm with you.
Like I didn't know the origins of the flood or like kind of how all
that stuff worked. Thanks to the wiki that is Taylor Field over here,
I'm definitely a lot more knowledgeable on that now, so thanks for that.
But yeah, I think I was mostly just looking for the versions of the
flood that I recognize, and because I didn't get that it it was a
little bit like, eh, okay, I do like just the overall threat
of what the flood is, and I wish that was maybe talked about a
little bit more on the scenes that we got from like McKee and The Covenant,
you know, aspect of it, Like they don't really unless I'm like
really mistaken, Like they don't really seem too bothered by the flood right now,
a like throughout their conversations through the season. It's not like it's been
a big focal point. It's mostly just about funny they are. They aren't
even aware at this point, which is a shame because when they learned about
it in the games, like it's pretty like it scares them, Like they
they're terrified at this And I like that neutral threat on the on the both
sides, because I think on the surface, when you see Halo, you
know, like general viewer, you would see like the human side, you
know, the unsc and the Covenant side, like those are the two armies.
So I think even just playing through the games, like I remember the
first time I encountered like a Covenant shooting at the flood and not me,
I was kind of like, oh, this is this is interesting, like
uh, And then obviously as the games go on, it's just the threat
of the flood is so much bigger and so much scarier as they go along.
So I do hope I think that we get there as like the big
threat in between. But yeah, like personally, I just think the delivery
of the flood it didn't hit the mark like I was maybe expecting it too.
But there was a couple of weird choices, like the first scene when
happens and is like doing her microscope stuff and there's the other lady and she's
like the first one that we see get infected. Like the music choice in
that scene was really fucking weird. I yes calling that out. I completely
forgot to write that down, but I was so like tripped out by the
music that was going on. And then it's just like showing a bunch of
like transmissions. I guess, like it just keeps going to like different people
that I guess would be getting exposed. It'd be like a zoom behind or
something in terms of the vibe of it. Yeah, very uh interesting choice.
And m Taylor, can you, well both of you, I guess,
but can you guys help me explain what's going on with the vision?
And Kwan I that was a scene I had to watch a couple of times
and I was still a little bit confused. My understanding is that this vision
that she's been having is like, I don't know, some thing in her
head to do with the flood, and she's somehow related to the flood.
And then she's like a protector of the flood. But she's like she helped
I guess get the flood out of that vault, and that was like always
her purpose. I'm a little I'm a little lost on it. Even after
watching the scene a couple of times. She's like she's an original character and
I don't know anything about characters like this that can make the flood come into
like a standstill, and like dead old Lady Priestess has the ability to control
the flood too, like this is totally new, unless it's in some Halo
book that I have not read. I think this is just an original concept
stemming from an original character, and I'm not super big on it. Like
the only time the flood wouldn't attack he was when the Grave Mind makes them
not attack, which he's done in the games. So I was at first
when she like the vision of the old Lady, she like stops the flood
from advancing, and then she's like talking about how like we are all your
ancestors, and I'm like, oh no, Kwan's gonna be like the origin
of the flood and it's all attached to her like family. I was so
like worried in that moment because one hundred percent thought that's where we're going.
And then and then she goes off like I can only hold them for so
long ago, and I was like, Okay, this is uh, this
is like a third party coming into it, which is Kwan's ancestors, and
yeah, just again, like that's that whole story isn't really working for me.
Although I've like maybe warmed up to the character of Kwan, I think
the more important she's becoming, the less interested I'm kind of being becoming in
that aspect. But the way the ladies talking about it is that like she's
definitely affiliated with the flood, and she's talking about how like it was a
prophecy that Kwan would be the one to free them from their cave whatever and
help them spread. And so I guess the part that doesn't really make sense
to me is like where, why why they're letting Kwan go? Like she's
fulfilled her purpose at this point, why not let her become one with with
them? Don't think they let her go. I think it was legit,
Like the old lady said, like, we're we can hold them off only
for so long, so it was kind of just cut off. Yeah,
we didn't really get it. Yeah, conclude, I took it as the
fact that Kwan has some sort of ability of not repellent, but like a
protective ability or something that can like withstand or withhold or keep the flood at
bay of some some shape or form. Ultimately, with all the talk about
four hunder DNA and whatnot, I wouldn't be surprised if she's got some type
of forehinner DNA and her family tree or something like that that gives her this
whatever ability that they've conjured up. I don't know. Yeah, that parts
a little bit confusing for me, for sure. It is. It is
just to add to what you guys said with the flood, like I already
said, I think that it was it was, it was. I enjoyed
it. I did. And I think that the way that the spores were
acting like airborne, I like that. I think it makes sense as I
said that only one character I think has been affected airborne while the rest are
infected with like the actual infection forms themselves. The way the characters everyone was
just kind of standing still and it was happening at an accelerated rate, it
was really really unnerving and uneasy and uneasy, Yeah, uneasy, just to
kind of like see that. I enjoyed the movements when they would like tweak
and stuff like that a little bit that that was really well done in Yeah,
crack in the neck. And I really liked when that one flood form
just started to like break through the cell and like squish out and like that
was super super freaky, really well done. Again, my takeaway is that
I feel like they should have done this in another future episode, but it
is what it is. When they're in the control room, and the flood
just start taking over in that room and like tweaking out, and everyone's like
trying to figure out what's going on, and Parrenggovsky gets fucking mauled by dozens
of flood forms. But the one scene where Halsey gets and closes the door,
I hate shit like this. It's just because it grows as me out.
But the person's banging for help in the flood form like goes on her
eye, like goes like, oh, just gnarly, gnarly. That's a
good nerve to go for if you're the flood. Yeah, well, yeah,
nervousness exactly what they go for. And fun little fact if you remember
Sergeant Johnson from the Games, I don't know if oh yeah, Marie,
did I give you permission to bitch? That's like one of my favorite lines.
He he You learned that he actually has an immunity to the flood through
he was subject to plasma damage from a plasma explosion finding the Covenant and it
actually affected his nervous system to the point where the flood could not infect it.
And yeah, they actually were at a point where they let Chief basically
make the decision whether they could take him and cut him up and harvest him
and find a cure for the flood, but Chief said, no, no,
no, we're not going to do that. So Chief looks like meats
back on the one of the Yeah, so the note I made for Pengngoski
is that, like, she's definitely getting messed up, but technically we don't
see her die on screen, so she could still be saved some some someone
with another gun. He could have shot the flood that we're on her.
Maybe she didn't get bit yet, so I don't I'm not writing her off
yet. But also we kind of felt that way potentially about Keys of like,
oh, technically he could be alive, and he's like, no,
he's he's long calling at this point. So if I had to guess,
I'd say she's dead, but there's there's a chance. There's a chance.
And then Halsey Halsey gets uh gets infected. I thought that was a nice
scene that she had with Miranda where she runs down to the lab to try
and just connect with her, but yeah, she gets infected. So she
throws her in a cryo in a cryo bed and then like, I don't
know it is Miranda gonna be like the last living person on this whole ship.
I guess, well, they're not even on a ship, right,
They're still on ONYX on ONX space. Oh okay, I thought they were
in like a space some space thing, so that I don't know. No,
I doubt what she's getting out of that like that she's a little mouse
in that, because I guess Soren and Kessler escaped through that like basement thing
when then and then ley lay Leirah stayed. I thought her name was Layel
whole season until I had sub pedals on eventually, and so it's Laria or
something. So she's stays behind it they get out, but I guess,
yeah, Miranda, who knows she's gonna have to come back to get her
get Halsey out at some point. But I don't have to be long in
the future. They're watching her door now right, like she she freezes Halsey,
which Halsey getting infected by the flood is totally not Cana and this they're
changing. That's that was a bold story choice, really was, and I
mean it fooled me. I'm not actually hating it, but it definitely fooled
me. When she stopped talking and Miranda is like what Halsey? What,
like, what's more important than than Yeah? And then like you look at
her, it's like, oh fuck, she's she's infected because she's doing a
freezing thing and you see in the like, uh what am I trying to
say? A peripheral vision. You can see people around the room starting to
freeze too. It's just it's it's a nerve. Yeah. I did like
that detail with the like the flood just takeover, I guess of them just
freezing up with the Halsey thing. I just kind of thought she was safe
because she's such a great actor and like a great character as well. I
think she has like a lot of ties to numerous factors in the show,
so it makes sense to keep her around. But the second that she just
froze up like that, because I thought that she was so safe, it
definitely got me in the surprise factor. And I mean it shows some like
steaks right, like there is characters that are important that can still get infected.
Not Chief I bet, I bet he's gonna be fucking evincible. A
degree of shielding that can keep He's got an eyeslit. Now they can get
in there that's a big nerve to a right in the eyeball. Yeah,
I'm trying to think if there's any other flood related notes I had, But
I think that was I think that was it. Let me take a gander
here and see whatever went down for flood notes. Do you just have flood
notes like a section in your notes that you took more or less some of
my notes? I don't understand. You just write like keywords and you're like,
oh, remember what that mean? I like, I've done that.
I write a sentence and I had like hyphens to it and I look back,
like, what the fuck was I talking about? You watched this at
midnight? Right, so it was a while. Like actually I watched this
episode twice, actually not back to back. I watched it. I watched
the midnight and the next day I snuck it in another viewing and watched it
again. You sneaky, Yeah, I just watched that one scene again.
But Kirklan, you said a particular scene made you tear up. What was
what was that? Yeah? So that was the death of the arbiter.
Actually, I the whole like honor thing for him. That was totally just
like catching me off guard. I think of him just being this like outcast
and like while this is going on, while she was just beating his face
and he's like him to just put him out of his misery and like restore
his honor. I'm like, I just fucking want to show about like the
Covenant like this sort of aspect, like give me Arbiter is the main character,
and like I want to see his his redemption quest and like just all
of like like hit like where he went wrong and why he like he is
the Arbiter right now. Like I am so interested in that story just because
of kind of what I've seen from him in the season, which has been
so minor. And then yeah, he's just like this defeated soldier. He's
he's just down and out and he's just begging for death and then of course
the Demon gives it to him, and I was just like wow, like
that, like there's some music in there too. I'm like, man,
they made me like miss the Arbiter and that's not even the Arbiter that I
know from the games, right, So I mean, yeah, like we've
lost Commander keys Halse. He's infected now, like there is some really big
blearra like she's gone. There's some big players that I should be more attached
to, but uh, this super side character was the one that I was
the most invested in. So goodbye Arbiter. I don't think we'll get a
replacement Arbiter. I don't expect that happened throughout the show, But I don't
know. I I am glad that you know, Taylor, we're joking about
Pablo's face off with the Arbiter with no armor and the energy so arm.
We're like, this could be so cool. Hey, we got that finally
by the by the end, so I was definitely happy to see that.
But yeah, and like the whole setting of I'm usually just dogging on CGI
in like daylight. It just usually looks way too bright. But I thought
that they like really blended that well. It probably helps that like everything I
guess is CGI in that moment. But still I thought it was a really
good fight scene, really good ending, and yeah, just yeah, I
don't know, I was I was. I was surprised how I felt with
that episode or that part of it. Yeah, I thought it was a
fun battle. I'm surprised Arbiter is gone. I thought he would be he'd
have a longer run. I guess if the show this might just be the
end of the show in general, might not get the season three, So
in that sense, I guess it makes sense to have more conclusive ending there.
But I like the battle like that. There's kind of two phases where
Arbia was just destroying Chief and then he starts using the grappling hook and starts
messing him up, so he kind of have that. I think, once
again my criticism here is that of like almost all the action in the show,
just like the shaky cam is way too much. It really bothers me.
I think that's the only thing that made the scene look a little janky,
But otherwise I thought it looked really solid. So yeah, it was
a fun a fun duel, and I just love the setting of the Halo.
I guess it's just like British Columbia pretty much. It really looks like
our backyard. But it is really beautiful. And even that scene when he's
looking out and like those towers are rising through the woods and mountains in the
distance just like really cool. So it's a great backdrop with a pretty good
fight with pretty good steaks, and especially Arbora when he's having those last couple
of lines on like one of his mouth tentnacles is like completely broken and not
working anymore. Brutal stuff, but yeah, a really fun scene. It
was probably Pablo's hometown because apparently it's them, like British Columbia, Like,
I got a great place, guys, we'll go film there. That's why
I got the role. I agree. It was the Halo ring it looks
beautiful and the Arbiter seeing him pass away here. I didn't like a lot
of the stuff with the Covenant and their whole hierarchy and their their dialogue.
I feel like we got just a taste of it, but we didn't get
to explored enough. And that's what makes Halo Too shine so hard is the
deep dive into the Arbiter is a character, and the deep dive into the
hierarchy of the Covenant. It's just a it's a freaking fantastic story. And
they killed the Arbiter and they kept m key Are you kidding me? Like
Chief like looks up and mckey's got her power sets like I'm a demon too.
It's like, what the fuck are you babbling on about? Get the
fuck out of here. God damn. Then she's gone. It's just so
stupid. I'm like to take her out and take the Arbiter going through this
journey, Like you don't, that would make more sense. I feel of
like having like you know, the human demon and then like the Covenant demon.
They're like pretty similar power levels. But go m key there, No,
you got fucking McKee. Like, she's not a demon, she's not
doing anything. Get out of here. God damn. It was even pretty
awkward just like she goes, she has the dramatic like the door closes behind
her as she goes into the structure, and then he follows her like four
seconds later, and then she's like long gone. It was like, how
did she get so far in this short period of time. It was very
weird stupid. Maybe her key opened up a different door. It just it
was like a shortcut, and then when he did it, it was a
long way. Well it looked like, oh, sorry, go ahead.
I was just gonna say one last detail on that fight that I loved was
when the Arbiter just like super power smashes energy sort of just like shattered chiefs,
and like the plasma just like went all over them. I didn't never
thought that could happen because obviously I don't think that's ever been shown in the
video game before, but such a sweet detail in the way that it was
just like like just chewing away at his armor. I love that. I
love that sequence. Mm hmm. Yeah, everything about it was was great.
The plasma like went onto his suit a little bit and like sizzled.
That was really cool. They really didy could job with the CGI and and
all that in that scene too. And before McKee leaves and then Chief looks
up, you can see another tower rising up, and I'm not sure what
that is in response to they kind of we're kind of mysterious about that.
But then it looked like it was like the human fleet of ships getting ready
to land or at least approach orbit of the Halo Ring. I think it
was human ships or it was Covenant ships. It was a quick scene.
You just see a bunch of ships incoming, so I wasn't sure how to
take things. It's very quick. Maybe just the wars coming to both well.
I mean, like we'll talk about it a bit. Kai took out
that main Covenant carrier and then paren Goosky's like the tides of turned. Now
we got the upper hand. Oh my god, you never have the upper
hand. It's a fucking Covenant. They made it seem like that was the
end of the battle, like they just Oh, I felt like, this
is it. This is all of humanity and all of the Covenant. And
my fear, my genuine fear, is that that is the case. This
is this is all of humanity, that's all the Covenant, and the flood
is not going to get further than Onyx. We're just gonna see it in
this little area. Miranda's gonna find a cure stop it, and then they're
gonna go back to just McKey and Chief trying to make the halo. There
on Home Demon two. Oh, what a stupid line. Jesus christ Man.
You just mentioned Pengowski there and a character I've definitely just I don't know
if I ever loved her, but this season definitely did nothing in the in
the love category for I. I just laughed so hard in that sequence.
But she's like, finally the Todds have turn like like we won the battle,
and the whole like lead up to that moment, she's like control,
Chief, Chief, listen to me. He's like like she's just so not
in control. Of the situation and then Kai basically like ignoring her again,
just like pilots. The ship destroys the like the main Covenant ship, and
then she's just like all right, going exactly the plan. Like she just
seems like such a goofball in the in this episode, specifically, especially when
she's trying to talk to Chief, and I just love the idea that Chief
could just hear her like the entire time, because as soon as Halsey comes
in, he like replies instantly, and I'm like, oh my god,
Like the Halsey stuff was so funny too, because she's like, tell Halsey,
tell Chief to listen to you and do this thing. Halsey immediately doesn't
do that. It tells him like how to infiltrate into the ship. And
they don't even care, Like they don't do anything to Halsey. They don't
put her into prison, they don't send her out of the room. They're
just like, yeah, I guess she can hang out in the command center
and continue to go against our plans, Like they don't even care that she's
continuing to be there. It's so goofy, the logistics of that. The
Yeah, she's just so goofy. Her dialogue with Chief really did crack me
up. When she goes in the coms like Chief, it's so good to
see your alive, and you're here fighting with our troops and everyone's listening to
this conversation. It's just it really makes me laugh. She's on speakerphone as
he's just like shit talking her, and like the whole season, like she's
been trying to basically stop Chief from like being in this position. So yeah,
this season has not done her justice at all. And uh yeah,
not a character I going to miss by any means, no more fluid Odd.
In this episode, Chief, I brought your favorite tea from a from
a farm on Earth. And then by the end of the conversation, I
actually did it in elab it wasn't real. Kai Do you think kai Is
is dead? Another one that's like ambiguous, like she could you could see
like in season three, it just shows that shot again and then she like
twinkles her toes and she's she's just knocked out temporarily because her body wasn't like
you know, imploded or anything like. She's still floating there, so could
go either way. But I think I think I'm fine if that's the the
end of that character. Spartans never die, they only go missing. And
I I don't think that she's dead except for except for the one that we
saw die straight up, plus all the Spartan threes. You know, they
definitely got mrked. They went through a few squads of Spartan threes. But
uh, yeah, no, I I don't know. I feel like the
fact that she still has her helmet on like it could be contained in that
moment. It's nice dramatic like send like you know, like fake out maybe
as a good way of say it. If they do that, go that
route, I'd be kind of surprised if that is the end of that character.
But I think at one point I would have been emotional about her passing
away. Yeah, but not anymore. I don't think she's dead. I
feel like that if they ended on the scene of for It just crashing into
the Covenant carrier and that was it, then I would believe it. But
the fact that we got that second shot of her floating in space. We
know that those Milner armor suits are definitely space resistant or space proof, but
the big thing too, and I don't know if they're gonna really this might
be too much of a call callback for the showrunners to do, because I
feel like they're just like, fuck the Lore. But in Halo, in
the events of Halo one, uh it mattered. She was not the only
spartan two on the Pillar of Autumn when they crashed lined on the ring.
There was another spartan called Linda, who is a character that actually comes back
in Halo four five Halo five Guardians. Actually she's part of the Chiefs Blue
Team squad with Fred and Kelly, and so Linda she got the names.
I'm just like John, Linda and Fred over that's a good point. Actually,
John is a very basic game. Sorry, the John's things. So
Linda gets injured, I believe on Reach, Chief and Linda are fighting on
Reach and that's when they bounce. Chief takes Linda, puts her on the
pillar bottom, puts her into a cryotube, keeps her like alive until they
can get medical help. So same play. It's it's very similar in that
regard. Actually, you're right. So they get to the Halo Ring and
being pursued by the Covenant. So when the Pillar Bottom crash downs on the
ring, it jettisons the pods out into space. And so Linda's in cryo,
floating in space, and Chief proclaims her after he escapes the Halo Ring
in the first game brings her back to Earth. So that's what makes me
think, here you have this Spartan too, floating around outside the Halo Ring
kind of like unconscious. I just feel like that's a pretty good call out
to the same scenario that happened with Spartan to Linda. But again, I
don't know if the show I don't even if the show winners know that they
could have just done this just as their story without reading them to the lore
they don't know about. They don't. Uh, Cortana and shef are back
together. M h, what do you guys think about that? I mean,
I think it's a little bit weird how much they they love each other.
I'm just gonna I feel like I've never felt that that tie throughout the
games, like their unit throughout the games. But in here they're just still
something a little bit extra, a little little extra sparkle that they give these
two characters for my liking. Uh, Yeah, it's rushed, i'd say,
because there's definitely there, definitely is. I feel like that's Sparkle,
but it always feels platonic when it gets into the later Halo games, and
not like a super sexualized version, but even the sense of like Kurtana being
adult human sized, you don't you see that here, But you don't see
that until Halo four after they've been through so much, at the very end
of the game. But here, no, she just pops up human size
like ready to you know, Pablo, let's fucking do it here on the
Halo Ring of all things, like speaking through the character to the actor.
But but I mean, I like her as the voice in his head and
stuff like that, giving him the information. But she gave up on him
pretty quick, like she's like, I'm here to rescue Kurtana's like too late.
There's nothing you can do. We're both going to die, Like just
that's not my Kurtana. Yeah, she made a miscalculation. Apparently, She's
like, I've gone through all the all the simulations. This is only ends
one way. Apparently, not fucking flawed. Man, she's not a good
AI. But yeah, just like when I guess it's when well, Paragowski's
getting Halsey to prevent John from like going to save the AI and like it's
just I don't know. I think the dialogue there is just like really bad
for me where she was just like she's more, She's more than just an
Ai and like all all of these things, Like I get it. Katana
is important to Chief. I only really know that because what's been pulled from
the games and like what I've taken into this show. I don't think the
show has done a good job but like really showing that that connection between the
two, mostly just because I think the season like they've really just been a
part and it's just like I don't know, I guess that relationship just peaked
last season and then they've just been trying to get that back, and now
now that they're back, I don't know, it's like it's probably a nitpick,
but it's just it's just their dynamic. I'm not super loving, which
is a shame because that's that's like a big that's the dynamic duo in the
in the entire franchise. Really, I'm gonna add to that note after this
quick at Break and Back. So the note to that too was just like
Chief going after Kurtana and all that, Like this so much with Katana is
so important ye, there was a line here where Perngoski looked at Halsey and
was like, you can build another one. It's not like I was trying
to remember, Yeah, it's not like she just grew a fucking clone of
herself in a lab and then carved out her brain cavity and like went through
a lot of crazy shit, like you can't just make another one that easily,
but not very bright. She doesn't know much, she doesn't even know
Linda. No. It's it is because when I think about the game and
the characters, I think about Chief Arbiter Johnson and Cortana, like those are
to me, like the four iconic characters and sports specifically, Kortana is like
one of the most iconic ones. The fact that I just don't care about
her at all in this show is kind of a kind of a bummer and
generally forgettable. And I feel like whatever arc she had this season with McKee,
the McKee kind of gets what she wants from her smashes her. I
didn't really feel like that I had any attention to it either, And then
it was kind of Yanky's like, oh I jumped into the ship's ai.
It's like, Okay, what's going on here. I don't think it worked
it that way, but sure, whatever you say. So I don't know
if if we do get another season of the show. I guess I'm looking
more forward hopefully to the future of that of that character now that she's kind
of with Chief in this more interesting place, and if they especially Chief now
he has less and less allies by the freaking minute in this episode because everyone's
dying off. I think that could be really good time now for us to
really dig into that those characters and build that bond between them. But yeah,
at this point in time, not not a character that I care too
much about. Mm hmmm, mm hmm, what agreed? Let me look
through my notes here. A couple quick hits for me Akerson. I was
saying it this whole season, what a waste of a character. Oh yeah,
and he's still around too, right, like a full good guy.
Now, Yeah, I don't need him. He should have got flooded in
and stayed Miline Chief And the coin was that slow more or did he make
it stop in mid air? I think it's slow mo it was? Did
you kirk him? What's your take? I thought? Did he make it
Levitay? Does he have telekinesis. I don't like that. I really don't
like that. I'm gonna say slow for my own sake, I'm going to
tell I really don't like that. I think it's telekinesis. I don't know
what I'd like, more like less, but seemed like telekinesis to me.
So what did I wrote a note on that specifically, I wrote, Okay,
Chief is now Harvey Dent, so he's trying to figure out what to
do in the situation. So they flipped the coin just like Harvey Dent would
do, but he knows the outcome, so he's just gonna flip it just
to do what he wants to do. Anyway, pretty much, it's kind
of a thing with Harvey Dent, Right, he's got the trick coin.
I guess before he becomes too fair. I don't know Harvey. Yeah,
he makes his own. Oh he is fucking master chief literally not fucking but
he is the fucking master. So they didn't watch They didn't play the Hill
Games to study up. They watched they watched The Dark Knight there like Dark
Let's make Halo this guy, or let's make Halo. Let's make Cheaf this
guy. Him the Dark Knight. Maybe they watched the other one with oh
I see, yeah, the old one. Yeah. Just I guess in
that moment too, when Chief is I guess regretting his decisions to just leave
the Spartan Threes. I thought this was so ridiculous that, like he makes
this big moment of like telling Kai that he's not going with her. He's
basically just saying fuck you to the Spartan Threes, like I'm just gonna go
on my own mission. He gets like halfway to his mission, he's like,
I'm gonna do my telecnsis, flip on this coin, and then I'm
gonna go join them. It's gonna be awesome, And like it's kind of
directed in that sense of being like, oh my god, our Chief is
here. But like for me as the viewer, I'm just like he's such
an asshole, Like he just lets so many Spartan Threes die and he ended
up going by the end of like the anyways, like Perez was almost dead
because he didn't show up on time there, Like maybe maybe the mission would
have gone similar if he had just gone with them, but like still I
just thought that was such a weird, like weight of a decision in last
week's episode to be to just come back, and he's just there, and
then what does KAYI even say to him, Like, it's the Chief.
I thought you weren't coming. I thought you were saving humanity or something.
Yeah, yeah, something about humanity. He's like, you're welcome, and
I'm like, what a fucking tool. I hate this guy so much.
It's not my Chief, And like this is where I'm just thinking of Boba
fet and how that show just ruined that character. I'm like, they're not
doing this character well at all, Harvey Dent, but he's not like Chief.
I want Linda. Make Linda the main character of the show. I'm
glad that you mentioned that, because you're totally right, hands down, one
hundred percent. If Chief was there at the start, that first squad that
got obliterated would have survived because he just has god like luck. You just
wouldn't have gotten blasted. I bet like, if they keep mentioning this luckstat
that he has that like and he wasn't even there, he like, no,
I'm just gonna go join the team later. I guess began Alf you
know, show up on the third day of the Third Light would let them
clear out the joint first and then I'll saunder in after what a prick.
The scene with the Spartan threes, I did like all that kind of stuff.
I liked when Kai was there and they're in the drop ship and she's
like telling Prize like get it out of your head, all that kind of
stuff, and just I don't know where the ship just half of it fucking
explodes. Everyone just gets sucked out, Like man, that's fucking terrifying.
They're like flying through it. All the dead bodies are floating around too.
Yeah. That I love the way that that was done, especially like it's
such a similar situation that then that or Sorry that they did in the simulations.
I did like that it was basically like the exact same mission. Yeah.
I just like that aspect. And then when they or what does Kaya
say? She's like, don't worry, like it's all gonna go all right,
and like as she's saying that, it just like blows up. It
honestly reminded me of like the like storming the beaches of like Normandy, when
they're just like in the ships and there's just like ships all around them just
getting exploded by mortar strikes. It felt very similar in that sense. And
they're just like floating through the debris, which is not actually a debris.
It's just like the first squads that went through. It's just so much psychological
logical damage that the troops are taking in that moment without even like getting boots
on the ground, you know, to actually start the fighting. So I
really did like how chaotic that sequence was, because it was scary the way
that it was shot in the simulations, but like the real thing was just
turned up a whole another notch. And yeah, the soldiers were just their
morale was breaking as soon as they were all there. They're freaking out.
They were not they were not saying, let's be bees, guys, just
be bees going to the gun masses, you know. You know in Return
of the King when the scene where they see Aragne like a last and give
leaving the army like we're going, where are you going? And then like
he leaves because it's no hope. That's when Chief is leaving and all the
spartan threes, Lord Chief, where are you going? You reminded me of
another thing here, just to talk about the casualties. It wasn't just the
Spartan three is the Chief is responsible for So when when Perez and Ky were
down the ground, I think Mullins was there too, but Kai looks back,
it's like, oh, the fleet's here, and you see the whole
fucking UNSC fleet, which is super cool, and they're just they're coming in
full force. And Kai hops on the hops on the phone and it's like
I need an evac here, YadA, YadA, YadA, and you get
a response like yep, we're coming in hot. Bearing on your position.
You see a huge un SC ship comes in just gets fucking annihilated. You
know who's fault that is, That's fucking Chief's fault. If he was there
and kind did call it in. Chief is responsible for thousands of fucking human
lives dying, and that you know, you couldn't get humanity. The coin
told me, Oh my god, he's just so in his own world.
But he does not give a ship about humanity. He's just chasing the high
once again of touching an artifact and touching the key with McKee. Yeah,
he's hoping to have a similar similar meet up with the Tell me about this
forge mode dude. At the end, what's going on against three four three.
So every Hailo ring had, every installation has a monitor basically, and
these guys oversee and maintain the Halo rings to keep up the maintenance all that
kind of stuff, and there their programming is where they are usually in the
games referred to Cheap as reclaimer. It's because the fore Runners left Humanity is
to take up humanity, take up the mantle responsibility, take over all the
fore runer, tack all that of stuff. That's why he refers to humans
as reclaimers. And I really wasn't expecting him at the beginning of the episode.
I thought Chief it was after all the events and he was being interviewed
and asked about the flood all that kind of stuff. Right, Not the
case. It is Guilty Spark, and so he's he is in Halo one.
He's a companion of Chief kind of, and he is a reoccurring character
throughout the games. It's interesting the dialogue that's going on because it seems like
he's it's weird. I'm trying to figure out what's going on, really,
because usually when humans first arrived in the games, the monitor, Guilty Spark
was getting super excited and started doing all these different things on the on the
Halo rank getting things going because humanity was here and it's finally happening. But
this feels different. It felt like it didn't trust Chief. It trusted McKee,
and Chief's trying to like figure out like, oh, what, you
gave her this information, but you gave her the wrong information, like she's
she's evil, you need to trust me kind of a thing. I'm I'm
very excited to see this character and hopefully we get to see more of this
character in season three and what's gonna come out of it. But yeah,
I'm just I'm not sure, and I feel like it's another thing that's just
so bold and just so much to put in here. People that are general
audience members, they're gonna be like, Okay, we've got zombies. Now
this is the Covenant not even a thread anymore because the Arbiter died, and
now what is this robot ball we got here? Like it's just a lot.
Yeah I forgot I forgot his name, but I definitely remember him popping
up here there. Side note, I always love that Forge mode, like
contextualize how you're flying around and building stuff through being one of the robots as
well. Is there a reason his name is Guilty Spark because I remember that
name now. But it's like it's such a cool name but also not very
foreign for Runnery. Yeah, it's no Linda. Yeah, and John's definitely
not creative enough to come with a name like that. Yeah, this is
John at least. Oh, it doesn't seem like there's a real reason why
some of the other monitors they kind of malfunctioned. And oh interesting, the
monitor of the arc is called Tragic Solitude. That's interesting. My gosh,
they all have like they almost have like Xbox generated gamers. We're just like
adjective noun kind of penitent tangent. That's another one that's an Xbox name right
there, Guilty Spark. It seems people are the people are thinking that he
just he chose his name h in Plan of the Apes. Yeah, the
name of a king. Yeah, I'm it. I guess I got a
Halo game question for you, Taylor, because you said each Halo ring has
a monitor, right, but doesn't the halar ring, Like, doesn't he
get destroyed? This Halar ring does get destroyed, but the monitor you see
that it survives basically. Yeah. Interesting, No, I really liked that
reveal. I like you were saying, I didn't know really what was going
on in the interview. I kind of thought it was either a flashback or
a flash forward or something along those lines. But I really liked the reveal
of it at the end. Although I like, I didn't know too much
about this guy. This this guy being the Monitor, I I do just
remember him from like just throughout the games, like I remember seeing him,
so that when I saw him right there, it was like, Okay,
that's a cool that's a cool character to bring in this point in time in
the show. And yeah, I don't know, it seems like it's some
sort of like a trial thing or something that it's like McKee and Chief I
guess are like competing on to get something out of like the Forerunner stuff.
That's I was a little bit confused with the dialogue between Guilty Spark and Chief
there, but I don't know. It was definitely a cool way that they
had done that that sequence of like showing the interview, because it's an unfamiliar
voice, it's definitely not Accresson, it's definitely not any other characters that we
had experienced before, And like I thought, maybe it was like a new
AI or something along those lines, which I guess technically it might be guilty
sparks probably along those lines. But yeah, that's all my notes. I
think I was actually impressed that between Chief and the Arbiter stuff, I was
so expecting the show just trained me. I was so expecting him to just
take his helmet off for that entire fight, but like they actually kept it
on. Definitely kudos to the show for finally doing what we asked. When
he first lands on the planet, he takes the helmet off, and I'm
like, there's no fucking reason to take this helmet off right now, but
whatever, and then, but so I thought from that point on he just
wasn't gonna be wearing the helmet. I am very glad that he put it.
He donned the mask, as one might say, so it's very very
underused throughout the show, but I'm glad they kept it at least for this
episode. That shot too, when he takes the helmet off and he's holding
it to his side. That's a snippet out of Halo Infinite, the original
trailer cinematic that they released a little years and years ago. Oh yeah,
that's right. I totally forgot about that. Yeah, but him with the
helmet on, like he had those fight scenes on that Covenant corvette. That
was really cool too. When he's in the hallway fighting the elites, he
like puts the plasma grenade, sticks it onto a guy's chest and he just
walks out of the smoke holding the energy sort. I was like, man,
that's pretty cool. As all the Spartan three is are just bleeding out.
Yeah, They're like where was he? You're welcome, you don't need
to be there, like everyone's the master Chief and then he just shows up.
I'm here and I saved the day. You're welcomes the beam from the
show. For me, there was a line that Guilty Spark had when he's
talking to the chiefs. He said something about waiting in the dark, and
I was speculating that, Okay, are they gonna jump to the end here
and just put like a grave mind actually in this scene something lurking below,
because in Halo two, the Monitor basically got taken under control of that grave
mind, and the Grave Mind basically had it latched onto its tendrils and was
talking to it and all that kind of stuff. So I wonder if maybe
there's there's something else on the Halo Ring that they're alluding to, but yeah,
that's that's pretty much it. While the note again fucking McKee, but
I wrote it feels now it's like humans against humans in this war. The
key being the representation for the Covenant is super lame. Uh So there's that
agreed, And I think the only other thing I have is Vice Admiral Stanforth.
He was introduced in Halo two and they mentioned him last episode. But
it's very cool to see his name mentioned again here as well. Basically in
charge of the fleet. Uh you alluded to this earlier, Dylan. But
when pres is being dragged, she grabs two needlers. It's a good shout
out to Halo two when they introduced the dual needlers as a new combat tool
there. So I really like that Easter egg that was That was pretty cool.
Nice. It's like one of the most op weapon setups I remember from
that game. So peek, God damn needlers are really strong. Tak Otvan
took out and that's not supposed to die. Only one took him out.
Yeah, no suits, no suits. I have nothing else to add.
Yeah, I think that's it. That's all. I got h So I
mean, in closing, what are your closing thoughts for this season? Give
a rating, give no rating. Yeah, it's just it's just, uh,
it's weird, right. I was down on the show for so long
and then like they kind of wrapped it up nicely for the most part,
or at least, like you know, this episode was still like I feel
like, mostly negative, and so in last week there was a lot of
nippicks and whatnot as well, but it was at least like two episodes I
enjoyed watching a good, good hour in front of the TV catching up on
the latest. So yeah, I don't know. I guess it's at a
point where it's like, man, I kind of do want like another season
now, but I don't really know if we get it. And I think
within a couple of weeks if we if it gets confirmed that they're not making
it, I don't think I'll be heartbroken. But just in this moment,
there's some fun things that have been set up. We've kind of weeded out
some characters that I'm not as interested in, so ideally we could reinvest in
some more new characters or characters I'm more interested in. Some new dynamics and
whatnot. But overall, just you know, just a fun, like very
Halo centric episode. We got a lot of chief in the sue, we
got a lot of flood, we got to be on the Halo for a
little bit. So just some fun stuff as a as a fan of the
games and whatnot. So yeah, I don't know, it's I guess it's
a bit bittersweet, and I wish the whole series, at least this whole
season could have been as fun for me as these last two episodes were.
But that's, you know, can't always get what we want. That's that's
what I got today. Yeah, that's hoping for Linda and we got no
Linda. Maybe, I mean, uh yeah. Overall, I think this
is a pretty disappointing season for a disappointing show. Although they're like I was
getting pretty hyped with certain moments of this show, and I just feel like
it would have been better if those moments were spread out throughout the entire season,
as opposed to just just having them just very minorly, and like,
there's really not much for me to like want to rewatch this season. I
think, if anything, it would be like this episode probably alone, and
there'd probably still be quite a few things I'd be able to fast forward through
and and like, this was my favorite episode of the season. So I
am glad that we least ended on a high note. It would have sucked
if, you know, we just peaked early on and it would have been
like a drag, because it, like this season definitely felt like a drag
at numerous points. But it was nice that they kind of picked it up
here at the end. I think that if the show gets canceled and and
like we don't get another season, I'll be I'll be okay with that.
I think, although there is some nice questions that they're they're leaving us with,
like at the end of the season here, I'm really just not attached
to the show to the point that if if it is canceled, like if
I never get those answers, I'll just I guess I'll be okay with that.
But I don't know. I guess it won't be. There'll be something
that if if it gets announced and we get that next season, they'll there'll
be some things where it's like, okay, well, I'm at least a
little bit excited to get that answered, but uh, I don't know.
Hopefully that they listened to our reviews throughout the season and just learn from our
criticisms. Maybe not Pablo, though, I mean that might be too much
for the man. He might not be It's true, Yeah, I know,
but I'm okay, they kill that guy off here pretty soon, and
maybe next season is just like all Covenant stuff, that would be cool.
They would never do that because it's so bold, but maybe that's the show
that I want. Looks like season three not confirmed yet, but the head
writer has said that he's he's already planned a lot of stuff, which is,
you know, potentially mean to be expected. If you're a writer of
the show, Yeah, ideally you think about future proofing your product a little
bit, like all right, we got the next season, you got that
script? He's like what, but yeah, on episode eight spot, I
think if I had to like rate this season, I would definitely have to
give it a failing grade. I don't know, four point eight or something
like something in that range. It Like I do want to pass it because
of some of the big haloism stuff's in there, but like Kessler, we
got like all all of that stuff with that family and like not a fan
of what they're doing with the kwan Ha, the last of the Has,
and just the importance of that character. I don't need that at all in
this show. So yeah, I somewhere in that failing grade right now.
I'll give it the high four. Yeah. I this this show. The
back end here had things that I liked, but as a Halo fan in
general, I think that everything that they've done so far in this season has
been very convoluted, poorly written, and very controversial. I don't like how
they're telling the story. I really don't. I feel like they're I stand
by the fact that I feel like the showrunners watched Halo in five minutes on
YouTube and then just are pulling their favorite things and sprinkling it in in a
very loosely cohesive forward narrative that is playing off the main game story but still
trying to be its own thing, the original the original ideas that they've introduced
to. Again, I'm not really enjoying it. I like certain parts of
Quant's character in the show, but then it just gets sprinkled in with other
things that I'm not enjoying. The stuff with Kessler not really a fan this,
other scenes too that just I can't help, but I shouldn't laugh because
some of them is pretty dark, but stuff like we talk about just laughing,
like when they're training, like Kessler and the other kids and this man
comes out of the smoke with his fucking baton thin and he's gonna beat these
kids down, which is horrible and then full on fucking sore and comes out
like there's stuff like that that makes me laugh. Other stuff too, with
Pablo, just his his decisions like yelling at the guy changing the fucking sign
on the wall. Just so many different things that yeah, there's so much
weird shit. And then the character dynamics too that just they're so different from
their their counterparts and the games and the books. It it hurts me as
a Halo fan. But I stand by that sentence that I saw someone post
online, like is it an okay sci fi show? Like it has its
it has its merits, but it's a very bad Halo show, And I
stand by that. I think it's very very spot on. Other people seem
to enjoy this online and I'm baffled, but hey, you're entitled to enjoy
what you enjoy, and if you enjoy this show, then by all means
you're helping us get that third season, So there you go. I'm gonna
give this, however, a four out of ten. I'm not going to
pass it. I genuinely think that it could have been better on many aspects.
Is it better than season one? I'll say yes. I don't remember
what I gave the first season. I'm pretty sure I would have failed it,
but I would put this over it in terms of rewatchability and just how
I enjoyed it. So there's that. But I would like to see a
season three. I'm not gonna lie. The finale definitely tempted me to put
my toe into that pool and hopefully we'll see something. If they cancel it,
then I'll just go play the games to see how the story ends again,
and I'll leave it at that. So anything else you guys have in
a conclusion here, No, it's been fun to ride with you guys once
again on this on this show. But another reason. Yeah, that's another
reason why I want to season three, so we can keep the ride.
We can do other content too. We don't keep sticking around for retrospective of
the games. Let's do that next yeah ship. Yeah, But ladies,
gentlemen, thank you, for tuning in joining us on this adventure of Halo
season two. So we'll be back next time. I'm in the geek Verse,
so until then, you're welcome. Bye.