1 00:00:18,440 --> 00:00:22,800 And we're back with another edition of the Federalist Radio Hour. I'm Sam mangel 2 00:00:22,839 --> 00:00:25,760 then, a staff editor at The Federalist. As always, be sure to 3 00:00:25,839 --> 00:00:30,399 email any comments or questions for the show to radio at the Federalist dot com, 4 00:00:30,399 --> 00:00:34,439 follow us on Twitter at fdr LST, and make sure to subscribe wherever 5 00:00:34,479 --> 00:00:39,159 you download your podcasts. Today's guest is Vince Dao. You might recognize him 6 00:00:39,200 --> 00:00:43,159 as the young man who went viral for advocating basic truths about human nature to 7 00:00:43,280 --> 00:00:47,240 race obsessed leftist in a recent panel hosted by Vice Media in which a group 8 00:00:47,280 --> 00:00:50,880 of young adults discussed and debated what it meant to be an Asian American in 9 00:00:50,920 --> 00:00:54,799 the United States. Vince is also the host of The Vince Dao Show on 10 00:00:54,840 --> 00:00:59,439 YouTube, where you can catch him Monday through Friday eight pm Eastern. Today 11 00:00:59,439 --> 00:01:03,600 we'll be discusing some recent headlines as well as America's ongoing obsession with race over 12 00:01:03,640 --> 00:01:08,959 individual character. I hope you enjoy the show. All right, Vince, 13 00:01:10,120 --> 00:01:12,000 thanks for joining. How are you doing today? I'm good, I'm good, 14 00:01:12,079 --> 00:01:15,959 great to be here, Thanks for having me, no problem. So 15 00:01:15,120 --> 00:01:19,879 for the audience, would you mind you used an introduction? Where would they 16 00:01:19,879 --> 00:01:23,640 know you from. What's your backstory where you're from. Yeah, so I'm 17 00:01:23,719 --> 00:01:26,560 Vince Taw. I'm a gen Z conservative commentator. I actually grew up in 18 00:01:26,599 --> 00:01:30,319 Los Angeles and sort of that was my arc of starting to do politics is 19 00:01:30,560 --> 00:01:34,000 I was a high schooler when March for Our Lives happened, and you know, 20 00:01:34,040 --> 00:01:38,400 I kind of started to realize how stupid the arguments of these gun control 21 00:01:38,519 --> 00:01:42,879 kids were and how ridiculous of a character David Hog was. And there's another 22 00:01:42,879 --> 00:01:45,439 one, Emma Gonzalez. No one really remembers her, or the one with 23 00:01:45,480 --> 00:01:51,120 the bald head, but you know, yeah, she did go a little 24 00:01:51,120 --> 00:01:55,079 crazy, and so that's kind of how I started. I've been doing just 25 00:01:55,480 --> 00:01:59,319 videos and content for a lot of years, and you know, people, 26 00:01:59,480 --> 00:02:01,640 some people I know me as a guy who went on that Vice panel with 27 00:02:01,680 --> 00:02:06,840 Asia about Asian Americans and said very normal things that said, you know, 28 00:02:06,920 --> 00:02:09,520 the liberals on the panel insane, But yeah, that's what I do. 29 00:02:09,560 --> 00:02:14,960 You know, like gen Z conservative commentary basically very cool. So I want 30 00:02:15,000 --> 00:02:17,479 to touch on the Vice panel again in a second, but you know, 31 00:02:19,120 --> 00:02:23,000 before we get into that in depth, you mentioned some conventional wisdom and how 32 00:02:23,400 --> 00:02:28,240 you were living and grew up in California. What exactly were lack of a 33 00:02:28,280 --> 00:02:30,520 better term, you know, your red pilling moments in California. Was it 34 00:02:30,680 --> 00:02:35,680 things that march for life that really brought you over to conservative politics or were 35 00:02:35,680 --> 00:02:39,400 you always kind of of that inclination to begin with? So I was not 36 00:02:39,479 --> 00:02:44,280 always a conservative. I was always anti woke, anti PC, you know 37 00:02:44,319 --> 00:02:46,800 what I mean. So back in twenty sixteen, I watched all the anti 38 00:02:46,919 --> 00:02:52,280 SAW stuff and I thought they were all stupid. But I used to think 39 00:02:52,319 --> 00:02:55,280 that there was. I used to sort of being like the Bill Mahertulsi gatherer 40 00:02:55,360 --> 00:02:59,000 position and even mind this was I was in like middle school kid, you 41 00:02:59,039 --> 00:03:00,800 not, but I used to be of that position where we could fix the 42 00:03:00,919 --> 00:03:05,879 left. We could change the left by you know, not making it stupid 43 00:03:05,919 --> 00:03:08,280 and ridiculous and making it sort of an actual, like populous movement because I 44 00:03:08,360 --> 00:03:12,759 used to drink the kool aid, hey, actually being you know, the 45 00:03:12,840 --> 00:03:15,719 left wing is about the working people and all this stuff. But then I 46 00:03:15,759 --> 00:03:19,520 was like, Okay, then if we can say say we're about equality, 47 00:03:19,639 --> 00:03:22,919 but we hate men and white people and straight people, then what is this 48 00:03:23,000 --> 00:03:25,159 movement? You know what I mean? And so back a long time ago. 49 00:03:25,199 --> 00:03:29,120 I mean, I don't believe really anything left wing anymore, I would 50 00:03:29,120 --> 00:03:30,520 say, but a long time ago, when I was very young, that's 51 00:03:30,560 --> 00:03:36,719 sort of where I stood on these issues, and I guess over time. 52 00:03:36,759 --> 00:03:38,680 I mean, I remember in the twenty sixteen election, I did not get 53 00:03:38,719 --> 00:03:44,639 on board with Hillary Clinton because I saw like, I thought she had basically 54 00:03:44,719 --> 00:03:47,319 screwed over Bernie Sanders. I thought she was very corrupt, and I saw 55 00:03:47,400 --> 00:03:50,599 Trump as being, well, I don't agree with him on everything, but 56 00:03:50,680 --> 00:03:53,879 he leaves he's somewhat anti establishment, he's speaking truth to the power. He's 57 00:03:53,879 --> 00:03:55,120 not going to start World War three. You know. I was kind of 58 00:03:55,159 --> 00:04:00,520 my logic on the Trump part. But I found myself getting along a lot 59 00:04:00,560 --> 00:04:02,439 better with the Trump supporters than Hillary people, and I realized, well, 60 00:04:02,479 --> 00:04:05,080 Trump supporters, you know a lot of them are just normal, cool people 61 00:04:05,080 --> 00:04:09,599 and the people I get along with and joke around with and have fun with, 62 00:04:10,000 --> 00:04:14,599 whereas you know, the Hillary supporters are all just deeply miserable and insane 63 00:04:14,639 --> 00:04:17,639 people. So that was sort of my first moment of seeing that, and 64 00:04:17,680 --> 00:04:21,839 I was like, I can't out stand this side. Why am I a 65 00:04:21,920 --> 00:04:26,720 part of this? But then I guess twenty seventeen, I kind of took 66 00:04:26,720 --> 00:04:30,079 a step back from politics and didn't care for a while, and then yeah, 67 00:04:30,160 --> 00:04:32,560 March for Our Lives happened. I was in high school at the time, 68 00:04:32,600 --> 00:04:35,480 and so I remember the walk out all that stuff. I never really 69 00:04:35,480 --> 00:04:39,079 thought about the issue of guns, but then I kind of thought about it 70 00:04:39,079 --> 00:04:42,600 logically, and I was like, well, I want my police officer at 71 00:04:42,600 --> 00:04:44,839 school, right, I want my good guy with a gun all that stuff. 72 00:04:45,600 --> 00:04:48,040 So you know that that sort of started. I started watching some Tucker 73 00:04:48,079 --> 00:04:56,079 Carlson monologues and really, you know La, where I grew up, under 74 00:04:56,199 --> 00:04:59,639 the Trump presidency, the Trump years, I mean, it totally went off 75 00:04:59,639 --> 00:05:01,319 a clip. I mean, there's always been problems, it's always been expensive, 76 00:05:01,360 --> 00:05:04,439 but you also see just the homelessness crop up. I mean I grew 77 00:05:04,519 --> 00:05:09,079 up in the San Fernando Valley, not a super nice part of it, 78 00:05:09,160 --> 00:05:11,759 but you guess a middle class part of it, right, So you never 79 00:05:11,800 --> 00:05:14,600 saw I saw homeless people around in LA. I never saw them in my 80 00:05:14,680 --> 00:05:16,279 own area grown up, you know what I mean, This just wasn't a 81 00:05:16,279 --> 00:05:19,120 thing. And then they start popping up around you, and then that's another 82 00:05:19,160 --> 00:05:24,319 aspect. So yeah, I mean I guess by the end of ninth grade, 83 00:05:24,360 --> 00:05:27,839 I became conservative and then yeah, here we are now pretty cool. 84 00:05:27,879 --> 00:05:30,120 So it's a pretty fast trajectory, it seems like. And it was yeah, 85 00:05:30,199 --> 00:05:33,680 yeah, it was you mentioned, and it kind of seems like a 86 00:05:33,720 --> 00:05:38,040 lot of gen Z And I was born in nineteen ninety six, so I'm 87 00:05:38,120 --> 00:05:42,480 kind of caught in between the gen Z millennial pipeline unfortunately, so I'm not 88 00:05:42,519 --> 00:05:45,519 really sure where I fall into that paradigm. But I think a lot of 89 00:05:45,519 --> 00:05:48,560 people are really experiencing that where it's sudden gradually than all that once, just 90 00:05:48,600 --> 00:05:54,279 because of how fast the decline was, And you mentioned Toci Gabbert and Bill 91 00:05:54,319 --> 00:05:58,360 Maher. It's it's fascinating how you know a lot of these IDW types to 92 00:05:58,360 --> 00:06:01,800 intellectual Dark Web types, they're really just you know, classical liberals. You 93 00:06:01,839 --> 00:06:05,759 know, take Barry Weiss for instance, she is, you know, not 94 00:06:05,920 --> 00:06:11,000 a conservative, but the fact that she's not anti free speech, the fact 95 00:06:11,079 --> 00:06:13,600 that you know, she worked for the New York Times and she was pushed 96 00:06:13,600 --> 00:06:18,199 out solely for being a journalist who was doing actual reporting, being an actual 97 00:06:18,439 --> 00:06:24,240 journalist. These people who are classical liberals at best. You know, I'm 98 00:06:24,240 --> 00:06:28,560 not sure, if that's the proper ideology to put them their classification to put 99 00:06:28,600 --> 00:06:33,879 them into. But they're not radical leftists, but they're also not conservative or 100 00:06:33,920 --> 00:06:39,959 you know, center right by any means. Yet conservatives tend to flock to 101 00:06:40,000 --> 00:06:44,000 them as kind of the new standard bearers for you know, they don't hate 102 00:06:44,040 --> 00:06:46,120 us, so they're on our side. And I think that's a really blaring 103 00:06:46,160 --> 00:06:49,600 mistake that a lot of people on the right tend to make. Yeah, 104 00:06:49,600 --> 00:06:54,839 I agree. I think it's it's a complicated sort of arms instance relationships we 105 00:06:54,920 --> 00:06:57,879 have to have. I think it's a good thing that someone like a Joe 106 00:06:57,959 --> 00:07:01,560 Rogan, Tulsie Gaberd, Bill mar all these people are at least occasionally not 107 00:07:01,600 --> 00:07:08,879 being ridiculous. But yeah, I definitely agree that, you know, these 108 00:07:08,920 --> 00:07:12,680 people are basically the liberals of ten years ago, fifteen years ago, more 109 00:07:12,720 --> 00:07:15,240 or less. And yes, that's much better than the liberals of today. 110 00:07:15,240 --> 00:07:18,720 I any day rather have that than you know, the current left. But 111 00:07:19,240 --> 00:07:24,319 we also need to recognize that it is the left of ten to fifteen years 112 00:07:24,319 --> 00:07:26,920 ago that led us to the left of today. Right, and so what 113 00:07:27,120 --> 00:07:30,000 a lot of these people and I don't think I don't know if I'm really 114 00:07:30,000 --> 00:07:33,720 like, oh, it's all one controlled opposition thing or whatever. But I 115 00:07:33,759 --> 00:07:41,079 will say that the flaw that someone like you know, Bill Maher makes is 116 00:07:41,120 --> 00:07:45,800 that he's someone who all along came along like, well, I thought we 117 00:07:45,800 --> 00:07:47,360 were really about free speech. I thought we were really about equality. I 118 00:07:47,360 --> 00:07:49,879 thought we were really about all the things that the left used to claim it 119 00:07:49,920 --> 00:07:54,800 was about. And I think the fundmental flaw of misunderstanding here is that the 120 00:07:54,879 --> 00:07:59,360 left was never about those things. Right. Basically, when the left did 121 00:07:59,399 --> 00:08:03,000 not have were in this country, right when the country was actually ran by 122 00:08:03,000 --> 00:08:07,959 normal people, they use slogans like free speech, equality, all of these 123 00:08:07,000 --> 00:08:13,240 concepts to get themselves into power, or at least to stop get themselves to 124 00:08:13,279 --> 00:08:16,839 stop being persecuted or whatever it is, and to get some influence, get 125 00:08:16,839 --> 00:08:20,399 a seat at the table in the institutions which are rapidly seeing now, is 126 00:08:20,439 --> 00:08:22,199 that you know, none of that was ever about free speech, right. 127 00:08:22,199 --> 00:08:26,639 You see Berkeley now it's the most anti free speech campus in the country because 128 00:08:26,639 --> 00:08:30,160 it was never about free speech. It was always about simply just upending the 129 00:08:30,240 --> 00:08:33,159 traditional norms, the traditional power structures of old, and replacing them with their 130 00:08:33,159 --> 00:08:37,200 own. The leftist ones right and you see that those are far worse, 131 00:08:37,200 --> 00:08:39,240 and now they're using them to clamp down on all of us. And so 132 00:08:39,279 --> 00:08:43,559 I think that's what needs to be considered, is that yes, we can 133 00:08:43,600 --> 00:08:45,879 say, hey, well why don't we just go back to the left of 134 00:08:45,879 --> 00:08:48,799 ten to fifteen years ago, where we claimed we were for free speech. 135 00:08:48,799 --> 00:08:52,879 We've come for equality and all this stuff, equality of opportunity, whatever they 136 00:08:54,039 --> 00:08:56,759 slogans they were throwing out. And you'll find though that the issue is the 137 00:08:56,840 --> 00:09:01,600 left has never believed these things, and um, you know, now you're 138 00:09:01,639 --> 00:09:05,840 just seeing the consequences of them no longer needing those slogans because they don't have 139 00:09:05,879 --> 00:09:11,159 to sell their ideas to popular masses or try to get themselves to stop being 140 00:09:11,200 --> 00:09:13,960 targeted. They are the ones who can do the targeting, and so they 141 00:09:13,960 --> 00:09:18,480 don't need to keep up the facade of free speech or whatever other concept for 142 00:09:18,600 --> 00:09:22,080 sure. And you know, to that point, the Berkeley free speech movement 143 00:09:22,440 --> 00:09:26,960 never was very explicitly you know, I got whitewashed very quickly about you know, 144 00:09:26,960 --> 00:09:31,440 it's it's kind of like a free love type movement. It never was 145 00:09:31,480 --> 00:09:35,360 that. It was always radical academics and you know, hippies collumpting it. 146 00:09:35,360 --> 00:09:39,320 It was always just communist and yeah, it was always common USA and uh. 147 00:09:39,639 --> 00:09:46,600 In his heritage address at Tucker Heritage is fiftieth anniversary Galla Tucker Carlson noted 148 00:09:46,639 --> 00:09:48,080 that you know, the Democratic Party, you know, back in the day, 149 00:09:48,120 --> 00:09:52,600 like thirty years ago or never, and the Republicans were always of the 150 00:09:52,679 --> 00:09:54,759 mentality they were working towards a common goal. But that was you know, 151 00:09:54,879 --> 00:09:58,559 the old guard. That was normal people in the Democratic Party, not the 152 00:10:00,440 --> 00:10:03,519 you know, academics and who are you driving ideology to get us where we 153 00:10:03,559 --> 00:10:09,720 are today? It was the normal people are It's like that meme where the 154 00:10:09,879 --> 00:10:13,320 left pushes normal people out into the right and that now then they're screaming, 155 00:10:13,360 --> 00:10:18,600 why are you with the fascists? There are normal people I think are perpetually 156 00:10:18,600 --> 00:10:24,759 being displaced by ideologues, and the right doesn't have nearly as many you know, 157 00:10:26,159 --> 00:10:28,919 I mean very explicitly, we don't have the presence in academia that the 158 00:10:28,000 --> 00:10:31,200 left does. So it's it's interesting to see, how, you know, 159 00:10:31,440 --> 00:10:35,519 the populist movement for lack of better term, is very much a presence on 160 00:10:35,600 --> 00:10:43,080 the right because the left has disenfranchised these people explicitly time and time again. 161 00:10:43,600 --> 00:10:48,399 Sure they're trying to make space for these people, I suppose through their economic 162 00:10:48,440 --> 00:10:52,720 policies, but they very explicitly hate normal people, and they're not trying to 163 00:10:52,759 --> 00:10:58,919 hide it. They just want to alienate people that they don't like esthetically or 164 00:10:58,960 --> 00:11:03,200 for whatever purpose. It's an interesting paradigm shift, and I would see even 165 00:11:03,200 --> 00:11:05,120 on the economic front. I mean, when's really the last time you heard 166 00:11:05,320 --> 00:11:11,320 Democrats extensively talk about the one percent or fighting the rich or whatever it is. 167 00:11:11,600 --> 00:11:13,759 I know Biden said it a little bit in the State of the Union, 168 00:11:13,799 --> 00:11:16,279 but really it's not even rhetoric I hear from the left anymore. You 169 00:11:16,320 --> 00:11:18,799 know, the twenty sixteen Bernie Sanders, the one percent. I really do 170 00:11:18,879 --> 00:11:22,320 not hear that from Democrats anymore. All of it now is social justice to 171 00:11:22,360 --> 00:11:26,919 all that you know stuff. So I think they've totally abandoned that. And 172 00:11:26,960 --> 00:11:31,840 I think part of the reason why they have abandoned this economic rhetoric is they're 173 00:11:31,879 --> 00:11:33,720 starting to realize, actually, all of our allies are the one percent, 174 00:11:33,879 --> 00:11:37,519 right Silicon Valley, those are those are our people. Most of the billionaires 175 00:11:37,519 --> 00:11:41,279 in our country actually support our causes, And so occasionally when it comes to 176 00:11:41,279 --> 00:11:45,639 Elon Musk, they'll Elizabeth Warren will tweet out something like, see, he's 177 00:11:45,639 --> 00:11:48,960 the reason why we should have our policies. But you know, in reality, 178 00:11:50,360 --> 00:11:52,480 yeah, they are the side of the elite. The right has become 179 00:11:52,480 --> 00:11:56,440 the populous side sort of because we just don't have a lot of institutional power. 180 00:11:56,919 --> 00:12:01,919 And I think simultaneously, yes, it is a good thing for us 181 00:12:01,919 --> 00:12:03,440 to say we're on the side of the people, but I would also say 182 00:12:03,480 --> 00:12:07,639 we need to figure out how to gain institutional power and gain it quickly. 183 00:12:07,720 --> 00:12:15,799 You know what a manager. 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And I suppose, 192 00:12:46,480 --> 00:12:50,759 now that I think about it, the the lift populist aspects are more 193 00:12:50,039 --> 00:12:54,519 through the you know, the coalition of the dispossessed that Obama cobble together in 194 00:12:54,519 --> 00:13:00,080 twenty twelve, the intersectional coalition. Yeah, yeah, very very much a 195 00:13:00,240 --> 00:13:05,360 Chavez esque coalition. It's not, like I said, it wasn't economic populism 196 00:13:05,519 --> 00:13:07,799 and it's it's just it's very much just grievance politics, and that's where the 197 00:13:07,840 --> 00:13:11,679 populism lies. Um. But yeah, I'm moving forward. I'd love to 198 00:13:11,679 --> 00:13:15,960 get into that Vice panel that you're on. I'm sure sure anyone listening to 199 00:13:16,039 --> 00:13:18,399 this has seen it. If they haven't, rule put it in the show 200 00:13:18,440 --> 00:13:20,720 notes. But would you like to give us a rundown about how you got 201 00:13:20,720 --> 00:13:26,399 involved with that, how they how you made contact with the bankrupt Vice media 202 00:13:26,480 --> 00:13:28,879 and what that was like. Yeah, so their producers reached out to me 203 00:13:28,960 --> 00:13:33,480 and it was really funny. Originally we were going to do a panel about 204 00:13:33,559 --> 00:13:37,039 I think it was masculinity or something that they just reached out and they're just 205 00:13:37,080 --> 00:13:41,799 booking trying to find people to do whatever. I'm on conservative Instagram and YouTube, 206 00:13:41,840 --> 00:13:45,639 so they probably just found it from there. I don't know, but 207 00:13:46,039 --> 00:13:48,919 very last minute they're like, oh, we're gonna switch you to the Asian 208 00:13:48,960 --> 00:13:52,200 panel because you're Asian. That's not what they said, but that's basically what 209 00:13:52,240 --> 00:13:56,919 happened, saying it. Yeah, yeah, And so you know, I 210 00:13:56,960 --> 00:14:01,799 flew out to New York, we did this panel and to summarize for the 211 00:14:01,799 --> 00:14:05,679 people who have not seen it, so I guess imagine this. So I'm 212 00:14:05,720 --> 00:14:07,960 the only person on the panel who shows up in a suit. Everyone else 213 00:14:09,000 --> 00:14:11,200 looks like, you know, just gen z pop street clothes or whatever. 214 00:14:11,559 --> 00:14:16,799 So there's are you know, there's already little dynamic there. They basically sit 215 00:14:16,919 --> 00:14:20,080 me in the middle of all the crazy liberals on the panel. Technically is 216 00:14:20,120 --> 00:14:24,080 supposed to be three conservatives, three centrists, three liberals the centrist or really 217 00:14:24,120 --> 00:14:28,320 just liberals though, so it's really six on three and then right, and 218 00:14:28,360 --> 00:14:31,320 then they were just going after me the entire time, and so we kind 219 00:14:31,320 --> 00:14:35,080 of sit down in this panel and it really it all starts when they think, 220 00:14:35,080 --> 00:14:39,080 I think they asked me, what's your thoughts on the term Asian American? 221 00:14:39,440 --> 00:14:41,919 And I said I suppose it, you know, it's I guess it's 222 00:14:41,960 --> 00:14:45,559 a thing. But I don't really like the term because I prefer to just 223 00:14:45,600 --> 00:14:48,759 say American. I don't like the hyfinatid Americanism idea. You know, I'm 224 00:14:48,759 --> 00:14:52,120 like with Teddy Roosevelt, right, there's no room for hyphenated Americanism. And 225 00:14:52,159 --> 00:14:56,159 so I said that, and then immediately all these like these very dramatic, 226 00:14:56,320 --> 00:15:01,840 crazy TikTok leftist that they all brought to the panel, just they have all 227 00:15:01,879 --> 00:15:03,960 the craziest facial expect they're like shocked. You know. This one kid, 228 00:15:05,000 --> 00:15:07,399 he just kept like bobbing back and forth like he was just having a It 229 00:15:07,440 --> 00:15:11,559 was. It was crazy. And so that's basically sums up the entire panel. 230 00:15:11,559 --> 00:15:13,919 And then I throughout it, I just say incredibly normal things. They 231 00:15:13,960 --> 00:15:18,039 asked about assimilation. I said, well, I think some degree of assimilation 232 00:15:18,080 --> 00:15:22,200 isn't necessary because societies can't hold together if people don't have anything in common, 233 00:15:22,519 --> 00:15:24,679 you know, very basic stuff I think. And then you know, they're 234 00:15:26,240 --> 00:15:31,879 again going absolutely insane. And there's at one point where I said, like, 235 00:15:31,919 --> 00:15:35,360 just don't commit crime, you know, I said, basically, well, 236 00:15:35,399 --> 00:15:37,039 if you want to succeed in life, then you know, there's very 237 00:15:37,039 --> 00:15:41,399 basic things you have to do, just you know, work hard, don't 238 00:15:41,440 --> 00:15:45,320 commit crime, don't college trouble, don't like drop out of high school, 239 00:15:45,320 --> 00:15:48,200 all these all the very normal stuff, and they were going absolutely crazy. 240 00:15:48,360 --> 00:15:52,639 There's just one iconic shot where I just said don't have kids out of wedlock 241 00:15:52,720 --> 00:15:56,679 and the liberal guy is like, what, you know, it's funny, 242 00:15:56,720 --> 00:16:00,480 And then they said, well that's cultural erasure. Right, asked g minorities 243 00:16:00,480 --> 00:16:04,200 not to commit crime as cultural erasier. So that sums up the panel. 244 00:16:04,279 --> 00:16:07,759 It's just, you know, forty minutes of that of me saying very normal 245 00:16:07,799 --> 00:16:11,519 things, barely conservative things I would argue, and and then them is just 246 00:16:11,600 --> 00:16:18,799 having an absolute panic attack meltdown. Do you think you changed anyone else's mind 247 00:16:18,879 --> 00:16:19,960 on the panel? Do you? I mean, I think you moved the 248 00:16:21,000 --> 00:16:25,120 needle a lot in normal America. Like, I think that was a pretty 249 00:16:25,519 --> 00:16:29,919 awakening moment for a lot of just normal people across the political spectrum. But 250 00:16:30,000 --> 00:16:33,279 do you think anyone on the panel actually had their mind changed or she showed 251 00:16:33,320 --> 00:16:37,799 them that they're just out of touch with reality. No, I don't think 252 00:16:37,840 --> 00:16:41,759 so at all. I think you saw the reaction of those people they're just 253 00:16:41,480 --> 00:16:48,080 this is the whole time. Yeah, right, I think that I don't 254 00:16:48,080 --> 00:16:49,720 even think their their goal was to come in it with an open mind. 255 00:16:49,759 --> 00:16:53,679 I'd have to imagine. I think that basically everyone is in those panels to 256 00:16:53,759 --> 00:16:57,399 like promote themselves and you know, go on, go off moment. And 257 00:16:57,840 --> 00:17:02,039 you know, it doesn't sound like I changed anyone's minds, but right, 258 00:17:02,720 --> 00:17:03,960 it seems like a lot of them were just playing for the camera. Like 259 00:17:04,039 --> 00:17:07,160 you mentioned the one guy kept bobbing back and forth. The whole thing was 260 00:17:07,240 --> 00:17:11,720 just his facial features or facial It wasn't like any actual subspec you know. 261 00:17:12,039 --> 00:17:15,400 I'll tell you the backstory of that guy. So that guy is essentially the 262 00:17:15,440 --> 00:17:19,279 Granta Thunberg David Hogg before that stuff was around, like back in the Obama 263 00:17:19,359 --> 00:17:23,559 presidency. So long story. He's he's the son of the CEO of City 264 00:17:23,599 --> 00:17:30,680 Bank, so Bill Bill billionaire son. Yeah so um ironic. But so 265 00:17:30,799 --> 00:17:34,039 he's been going to working class right through the connections of his father. He's 266 00:17:34,039 --> 00:17:40,039 been in like democratic politics since Obama was president. Like there's pictures of him 267 00:17:40,039 --> 00:17:42,839 at the White House back in twenty fifteen and stuff, and you know he's 268 00:17:42,839 --> 00:17:48,720 done all these different Ted talks where he just used these vague platitudes about diversity 269 00:17:48,799 --> 00:17:52,720 or whatever he talks about. I don't know, right, we're in salad, 270 00:17:52,759 --> 00:17:55,920 and you know it's out with all these people, right, David Hogg, 271 00:17:56,039 --> 00:17:57,720 what has he ever actually said anything specific about guns? Nothing? He 272 00:17:57,799 --> 00:18:00,799 ever? He just tweets platitudes all the time. Greta Thundberg, same exact 273 00:18:00,880 --> 00:18:03,440 thing. I love how David Hog will get into Harvard lall with like a 274 00:18:03,519 --> 00:18:07,599 one fifty l s at. That's my favorite thing about him. Is that 275 00:18:07,680 --> 00:18:10,960 true? That's that he got into the Harvard I have no idea if he 276 00:18:11,039 --> 00:18:15,119 is. He did get into Harvard undergrad. Yeah, on a twelve fifty, 277 00:18:15,200 --> 00:18:18,359 So yeah, that is true. But back to what I was trying 278 00:18:18,359 --> 00:18:23,000 to get into here. So you'll notice every kid, activist kid on the 279 00:18:23,079 --> 00:18:26,799 left, this is kind of how they get their fame is by being just 280 00:18:26,960 --> 00:18:30,200 incredibly dramatic. I don't know what it is about liberals Democrats, but they 281 00:18:30,200 --> 00:18:33,839 just eat that stuff up. Some kid out there screaming, being incredibly dramatic, 282 00:18:33,880 --> 00:18:38,119 being incredibly expressive. And you see that now with the TikTok Democrat kids, 283 00:18:38,279 --> 00:18:41,160 and you see that even with Justin Pearson and Justin Jones, right, 284 00:18:41,200 --> 00:18:47,079 the Tennessee Democrats, the gen Z Tennessee Democrat legislators, and so this is 285 00:18:47,160 --> 00:18:49,279 a kid along those lines. He was doing it before any of this stuff. 286 00:18:49,279 --> 00:18:52,599 He figured out this all. If you're just very expressive and spit vague 287 00:18:52,599 --> 00:18:56,599 platitudes, it works with people. But the problem is, and I think 288 00:18:56,640 --> 00:18:59,079 what happened there is the same thing that would happen if you put any of 289 00:18:59,119 --> 00:19:03,880 these other gen Z crazy left wing activist kids on a panel like that, 290 00:19:03,920 --> 00:19:07,759 which is that the moment they're actually confronted with someone who doesn't just buy up 291 00:19:07,799 --> 00:19:11,359 their emotional nonsense, and you know, the moment they actually have to challenge 292 00:19:11,400 --> 00:19:17,039 their ideas with someone who's not just gonna bomb around back and forth in response, 293 00:19:17,480 --> 00:19:21,839 you know, immediately you see how through the contrast, you see how 294 00:19:22,000 --> 00:19:23,920 ridiculous they are, and you know it's a bad look for them, and 295 00:19:23,960 --> 00:19:26,559 they totally lose the exchange. And I think that's kind of what happens. 296 00:19:27,680 --> 00:19:30,680 No, I think it's very accurate, you know it just even with Greta, 297 00:19:30,680 --> 00:19:34,079 I know it's all AstroTurf. It's all they're all put on by megadners, 298 00:19:34,079 --> 00:19:38,000 by corporate sponsors, it's all. It's all very cynical, frankly, 299 00:19:38,119 --> 00:19:44,359 very hyper capitalistic exercise, which is beautifully ironic considering the Marxist drivel they pedal. 300 00:19:45,640 --> 00:19:48,839 But you know, moving forward, let's get into some of the really 301 00:19:48,960 --> 00:19:56,039 interesting headlines of the week. Jordan Neely, the Mechael Jackson impersonator or performer 302 00:19:56,240 --> 00:20:00,720 whom you know, unfortunately lost his life. I'm not really sure what the 303 00:20:00,799 --> 00:20:03,640 surrounding situation is, whether he was, you know, on drugs or just 304 00:20:04,160 --> 00:20:08,119 mentally unwell. I'm not sure. You know, he had a long criminal 305 00:20:08,160 --> 00:20:11,759 rap sheet, it seems like he should forty one ars. Yeah, it's 306 00:20:11,799 --> 00:20:18,559 it's and that's a very common occurrence. Unfortunately, these people who ought to 307 00:20:18,599 --> 00:20:22,079 either be in jail for a long time or ought to be in you know, 308 00:20:22,079 --> 00:20:26,880 mentalness, mental institutions. They shouldn't be on the street. They're not. 309 00:20:26,960 --> 00:20:30,319 It's not safe for them or the people they're accosting. What are your 310 00:20:30,319 --> 00:20:34,000 thoughts, Yeah, I mean absolutely that that's That's the one thing I will 311 00:20:34,039 --> 00:20:37,839 say is that Jordan Nearly would still be alive today if you were never on 312 00:20:37,839 --> 00:20:41,160 the street, which he should never have been on the street. You know, 313 00:20:41,640 --> 00:20:45,640 um, forty one ars. He was wanted at the time for felony 314 00:20:45,680 --> 00:20:49,519 assault. There are alleged rumors, there are alleged rumors he was trying to 315 00:20:51,200 --> 00:20:55,519 push people into the subways just days before. You know, there's no reason 316 00:20:55,559 --> 00:20:57,720 the guy should have been in the society to begin with. But you know, 317 00:20:57,759 --> 00:21:00,920 here you have this situation where he was going around on the subway violently 318 00:21:00,920 --> 00:21:07,359 threatening people, and you know, one guy just took matters into his own 319 00:21:07,440 --> 00:21:11,640 hands. And I don't think he intentionally wanted to kill him, or I 320 00:21:11,680 --> 00:21:14,519 don't know if it's even confirmed yet that that's actually what killed him, because 321 00:21:14,519 --> 00:21:17,799 it could have been a George Floyd thing where it's a combination of that and 322 00:21:17,880 --> 00:21:21,160 the drugs, you know what I mean. But yeah, I mean, 323 00:21:21,440 --> 00:21:23,440 and then of course you have to imagine, I'm sure, I know what's 324 00:21:23,440 --> 00:21:27,400 going to happen to this marine. Is that for stepping in for you know, 325 00:21:27,480 --> 00:21:32,119 trying to protect others, trying to do something heroic? You know, 326 00:21:32,400 --> 00:21:34,400 New York is gonna probably throw him in jail for the rest of his life. 327 00:21:34,400 --> 00:21:37,920 And I don't know, Alvin Bragg and all that stuff. I'm not 328 00:21:37,000 --> 00:21:41,279 very optimistic about the case, but you know, principally speaking, I think 329 00:21:41,880 --> 00:21:45,640 it really is a case of fff around and find out. Right, you 330 00:21:45,720 --> 00:21:51,680 go around on a subway threatening people. I mean a lot of New Yorkers 331 00:21:51,680 --> 00:21:53,960 are making the excuse, Oh, that's normal, that's what people do on 332 00:21:55,000 --> 00:21:56,319 the New York subway. Yeah, you know what else happens a lot on 333 00:21:56,359 --> 00:22:00,240 the New York subway is violence? Okay, It's like, yeah, it's 334 00:22:00,279 --> 00:22:03,200 true. A lot of crazy, tweaked out homeless people do that in the 335 00:22:03,200 --> 00:22:04,799 subway. And then we'll guess what else happens? They attack people and stuff. 336 00:22:04,799 --> 00:22:08,720 And so I think, and you see the forty one arrest felony assault 337 00:22:08,799 --> 00:22:12,920 active warrant. I mean, I think the marine in question was right to 338 00:22:14,640 --> 00:22:18,359 be to take that threat seriously at face value, and you know, I 339 00:22:18,400 --> 00:22:22,680 think he did the right thing. But you know, obviously the law does 340 00:22:22,720 --> 00:22:25,000 not reflect that. And that's kind of the problem with the vigilanteism in the 341 00:22:25,000 --> 00:22:27,799 twenty first century in America, right. But yeah, I mean, I 342 00:22:27,799 --> 00:22:33,119 guess that sums up my thoughts on it. Now. I'm prone to agree. 343 00:22:33,160 --> 00:22:37,920 Unfortunately, I'm not really optimistic about these situations either. Yeah, it's 344 00:22:37,039 --> 00:22:41,160 very you know, at this point, who can blame people for not really 345 00:22:41,200 --> 00:22:48,160 wanting to intervene and to protect others. If you disincentivize good people from wanting 346 00:22:48,200 --> 00:22:51,599 to protect their countrymen, right, no one is going to step in. 347 00:22:51,640 --> 00:22:55,799 It's the same thing with you know, we gutted mental institutions, major cities 348 00:22:55,799 --> 00:23:00,119 across the country have gutted the police. Crime is skyrocketing. What do you 349 00:23:00,160 --> 00:23:03,039 expect it is going to happen? These are all natural results of It's very 350 00:23:03,079 --> 00:23:06,279 logical that this stuff is happening. There's no funding for you know, mental 351 00:23:06,319 --> 00:23:10,119 health resources, but we keep talking about the need for it. Why are 352 00:23:10,119 --> 00:23:14,559 we surprised if things keep happening? It's it's it's all you know, how 353 00:23:14,599 --> 00:23:17,400 do we not see this? It was the tree is right there? How 354 00:23:17,440 --> 00:23:21,960 do we miss it? Um? Yeah, So I'd like to hear your 355 00:23:21,960 --> 00:23:25,920 thoughts on as well, how do we bridge the generational divide in politics? 356 00:23:26,440 --> 00:23:30,039 Um? You know there's always talk about how boomers, you know, ruin 357 00:23:30,119 --> 00:23:34,480 the world, ruined the country, but you know it's it's up to younger 358 00:23:34,519 --> 00:23:38,480 generations to fix it as well. So how do you think we can bridge 359 00:23:38,519 --> 00:23:42,680 the divide on how to talk about political issues? Cultural issues? Um? 360 00:23:44,319 --> 00:23:49,279 How to you know, solve the intersectional brain rot that is destroying our cultural 361 00:23:49,319 --> 00:23:52,359 conversations and things of that nature. Yeah, So, I mean, I 362 00:23:52,440 --> 00:23:56,599 guess I'll approach it from the gen Z side and then the Boomer side. 363 00:23:56,680 --> 00:24:00,799 I think on the gen Z side, at least you're on the right wing, 364 00:24:00,119 --> 00:24:06,000 which I suppose I could probably speak to you more. Um, you 365 00:24:06,079 --> 00:24:10,920 know, I I don't really I don't really subscribe to this whole narrative that 366 00:24:11,160 --> 00:24:15,480 the boomers destroyed the world, as in your average Fox News viewing Republican boomer 367 00:24:15,640 --> 00:24:19,279 is responsible for the reason why you can't get a girlfriend, you know, 368 00:24:19,319 --> 00:24:22,319 and like, for the for the record, I don't think any honest person 369 00:24:22,480 --> 00:24:26,200 really believes that. I think there's just a sense of, oh, it's 370 00:24:26,200 --> 00:24:30,480 a lot on the gen Z side. No, yeah, yeah, I 371 00:24:30,519 --> 00:24:33,160 do think there's something to be said about the boomer political class, right, 372 00:24:33,200 --> 00:24:37,799 the kind of people that have run our party and are of that age, 373 00:24:37,839 --> 00:24:41,440 you know, like Joe Biden and Nancy Pelosi who have got who are mass 374 00:24:41,519 --> 00:24:45,319 and massive wealth justter being in politics and doing exactly yeah, exactly, And 375 00:24:45,440 --> 00:24:48,599 so there's a lot to be said there. But I also find very often 376 00:24:48,599 --> 00:24:52,960 that the sort of average Republican boomer out there or a gen xer you know, 377 00:24:53,039 --> 00:24:57,000 you really sit them down and you speak about the issues you care about 378 00:24:57,000 --> 00:25:03,640 in a way that at least a conservative, in a way that is presentable, 379 00:25:03,680 --> 00:25:06,079 in a way that they can understand. I usually find they one hundred 380 00:25:06,079 --> 00:25:08,480 percent agree. You know, they feel the exact same way. They're disaffected 381 00:25:08,519 --> 00:25:12,839 in the same exact way, and so, you know, I think a 382 00:25:12,839 --> 00:25:18,200 lot of the generational divide just has to be bridged through having conversations in ways 383 00:25:18,240 --> 00:25:22,839 that I guess people can understand. I guess on the boomer side, you 384 00:25:22,880 --> 00:25:29,720 know, there's a lot of talk that, oh, our generation is so 385 00:25:29,720 --> 00:25:33,079 so far left wing and it's all hopeless and stuff. And I guess what 386 00:25:33,119 --> 00:25:37,240 I would say on that front is that there's a lot of disaffected people in 387 00:25:37,240 --> 00:25:40,400 our generation. And a lot of them might not be political yet, some 388 00:25:40,440 --> 00:25:42,559 of them just like red pill content, manosphere content, whatever it is. 389 00:25:44,759 --> 00:25:48,759 But I think that there is a I don't think it's the majority, but 390 00:25:48,799 --> 00:25:52,960 I think there's a sizeable minority in our generation that is not really a long 391 00:25:53,440 --> 00:26:00,319 does not really subscribe to all the quote unquote wokeness, and I think they 392 00:26:00,359 --> 00:26:03,039 need to be reached, they need to be targeted, and you see the 393 00:26:03,039 --> 00:26:08,480 the just cultural impact that someone like a Jordan Peterson or Andrew Taate or all 394 00:26:08,480 --> 00:26:12,839 these just kind of figures that come along and speak to disaffected young men is 395 00:26:12,960 --> 00:26:17,759 very powerful. These are these end up becoming some of the most influential people 396 00:26:17,759 --> 00:26:21,279 on Earth. Right, So clearly there's something about our generation that's not just 397 00:26:21,359 --> 00:26:23,359 all the hippies, and yeah, there's a lot of those, but there's 398 00:26:23,400 --> 00:26:29,759 also this sort of specifically I would hone in disaffected young men who are not 399 00:26:29,920 --> 00:26:32,759 really on board with all this stuff. But the problem is, and the 400 00:26:32,799 --> 00:26:34,680 reason you don't see them, the reason they're not visible is because they are 401 00:26:34,720 --> 00:26:38,400 just that they're disaffected, right, your average young man, most of them 402 00:26:38,480 --> 00:26:44,680 are invisible in society, right. And so I know about them because I 403 00:26:44,799 --> 00:26:47,640 mean this young, but a lot of people, a lot of boomers, 404 00:26:47,680 --> 00:26:49,200 I guess, just don't know about them, don't understand that this is a 405 00:26:49,240 --> 00:26:53,960 thing. And I think that's my issue with the way the GOP tries to 406 00:26:53,960 --> 00:26:57,039 outreach to gen z if at all, which normally they don't even make an 407 00:26:57,079 --> 00:27:00,039 attempt, which I think is a serious mistake because even if it makes a 408 00:27:00,079 --> 00:27:03,480 small dent, at least you're planning the seeds for what later down the line, 409 00:27:03,519 --> 00:27:07,279 maybe might be a bigger movement. You know, you got to start 410 00:27:07,319 --> 00:27:11,440 somewhere. But then I'd say that's the other sort of mistake to the approaches. 411 00:27:11,480 --> 00:27:14,599 I don't think they'd realize who they're speaking to or what their natural audience 412 00:27:14,680 --> 00:27:17,720 might be. I've heard proposals like, well, the GOP needs to come 413 00:27:17,799 --> 00:27:21,319 up with a solution on climate change, or they need to moderate on this 414 00:27:21,359 --> 00:27:22,960 issue or that issue, And I don't think that's really what it's about. 415 00:27:22,960 --> 00:27:29,039 I think it's just that they're misunderstanding what gen Z is. There's two sizeable 416 00:27:29,079 --> 00:27:30,799 camps in gen Z. There's the liberal side, which I guess if you 417 00:27:30,839 --> 00:27:34,640 want to try to pick off some moderate liberals, I mean, good luck. 418 00:27:34,680 --> 00:27:37,079 You could try, but I don't know. I don't want to become 419 00:27:37,119 --> 00:27:41,319 totally woke on every social issue just to try to win that vote. Or 420 00:27:41,359 --> 00:27:47,319 you could appeal to the disaffected young man who is not He may not be 421 00:27:47,359 --> 00:27:51,759 conservative, but he's not left wing either. He just generally feels that the 422 00:27:51,759 --> 00:27:55,680 world has broken, society's broken, society doesn't care about him, you know. 423 00:27:56,160 --> 00:28:00,240 And I think conservatism, which in many ways gives a moral purpose to 424 00:28:00,480 --> 00:28:03,720 things and to people, could speak a lot to that, and like I 425 00:28:03,759 --> 00:28:07,960 said, I think you look at these sort of like not hyper political, 426 00:28:07,039 --> 00:28:11,799 but semi right wing figures that have just come up and are now very popular 427 00:28:11,839 --> 00:28:15,359 among young men in our generation. I think that's real. So I don't 428 00:28:15,359 --> 00:28:18,119 know that answer the question. I suppose no, it does. And it 429 00:28:18,160 --> 00:28:22,400 seems like I keep hearing similar responses to that, and it seems like at 430 00:28:22,400 --> 00:28:26,960 the end of the day, it comes down more to culture and preserving a 431 00:28:27,039 --> 00:28:32,920 healthy culture for people to you know, have families and actually be human beings, 432 00:28:33,599 --> 00:28:37,799 create an environment that's conducive to human flourishing as opposed to obsessing about corporate 433 00:28:37,880 --> 00:28:41,160 tax rates. And until we get out of this sort of you know, 434 00:28:42,200 --> 00:28:45,119 worldview that's held hostage by the Chamber of commerce, I don't think that's really 435 00:28:45,119 --> 00:28:49,039 going to be possible, but I think we're kind of at a point where 436 00:28:49,279 --> 00:28:53,319 people are starting to become privy to that, especially with declining fertility, declining 437 00:28:53,319 --> 00:28:57,720 birth rates, and the culture just being in such an inhospitable place for anything. 438 00:28:59,240 --> 00:29:03,079 I think, I think what you're proposing is right around the corner at 439 00:29:03,160 --> 00:29:07,680 least. I hope I am optimistic in that sense where things become so toxic 440 00:29:07,680 --> 00:29:10,920 and anti human. Frankly, that something has to give and people have to 441 00:29:11,480 --> 00:29:15,359 throw their hands up and realize, you know, we have to see what's 442 00:29:15,400 --> 00:29:19,480 going on. Well, the issue is that, I mean, what are 443 00:29:19,480 --> 00:29:22,480 they basically going to prescribe? Oh, well, you know, the birthrates 444 00:29:22,519 --> 00:29:26,799 are struggling, let's just let bring it in from other parts of the world 445 00:29:26,839 --> 00:29:30,599 that have high birthrates. People are depressed and feel meaningless in life, will 446 00:29:30,640 --> 00:29:34,000 take these anti depressants and you know, numb yourself with whatever it is, 447 00:29:34,079 --> 00:29:40,519 video games, social media, you know, just whatever. Right, So 448 00:29:40,599 --> 00:29:44,279 I think that's the issue, though, is I don't know if that's a 449 00:29:44,319 --> 00:29:48,640 guarantee, because especially when people become addicted to things, and you know, 450 00:29:48,960 --> 00:29:51,720 once you're kind of addicted to being lazy, it's hard to get out of 451 00:29:51,759 --> 00:29:52,640 that. You know. It's hard to get up out of bed when you're 452 00:29:52,720 --> 00:29:55,880 lazy, it's hard to get in the gym when you don't work out, 453 00:29:55,920 --> 00:30:00,559 you know, And so I don't know, I don't know, it's it's 454 00:30:00,720 --> 00:30:03,720 gonna be hard. I definitely think that if done correctly, led by the 455 00:30:03,799 --> 00:30:07,359 right people, yeah, I can wake people up. A movement like that 456 00:30:07,400 --> 00:30:11,000 can speak to people. But I would also say that I don't. I 457 00:30:11,000 --> 00:30:12,359 don't think we should see that as a given. I think someone has to 458 00:30:12,440 --> 00:30:15,640 step up and do it, you know, for sure said it's not a 459 00:30:15,640 --> 00:30:18,000 given at all, and it's going to take a lot of heavy lifting. 460 00:30:18,519 --> 00:30:22,839 I just think that that paradigm, I think is about the flip. You 461 00:30:22,839 --> 00:30:26,960 know, once things, situations become dire enough, people, I think start 462 00:30:26,000 --> 00:30:30,319 to Americans are very bad at being proactive. We're really good at being reactive 463 00:30:30,400 --> 00:30:33,880 and finding solutions once we need to find a solution. And I think, 464 00:30:33,920 --> 00:30:40,799 you know, specifically with things like fertility and um We'll probably not fertility because 465 00:30:40,799 --> 00:30:45,880 that's an issue all over the world, but I think with certain things we'll 466 00:30:45,920 --> 00:30:48,680 be able to find solutions much more effectively than we otherwise would be. In 467 00:30:48,960 --> 00:30:55,640 two um. But in regards to gen Z and communication methods, TikTok, 468 00:30:56,119 --> 00:30:59,559 there's you know, the restrict Act. It seems like a lot of it 469 00:30:59,680 --> 00:31:03,960 was a partisan proposal, but it seems like the ground swell and grassroots are 470 00:31:03,119 --> 00:31:07,160 very much opposed to it, which is you know, understandable because there's a 471 00:31:07,160 --> 00:31:11,319 lot of talk about, you know, being allegedly a Patriot Act two point 472 00:31:11,359 --> 00:31:17,440 zero. I'm not too keen on that phrasing. But there's also talk about, 473 00:31:17,480 --> 00:31:22,720 you know, TikTok is less hostile to conservatives than silicon values, and 474 00:31:23,480 --> 00:31:27,960 either way, your data is getting stolen. It's all these institutions are kind 475 00:31:29,000 --> 00:31:33,440 of you know, anti American interests when the American interests are properly oriented. 476 00:31:33,839 --> 00:31:36,839 What are your thoughts on that is TikTok you know, and that positive? 477 00:31:37,160 --> 00:31:41,039 We tolerate it? Or is it really just cultural rot and a. I 478 00:31:41,039 --> 00:31:44,400 mean, it is a national security threat, but what do we do about 479 00:31:44,480 --> 00:31:48,720 about that in the medium term? So coup a couple of things. So, 480 00:31:48,799 --> 00:31:52,039 first of all, I do not like the bill currently to band TikTok. 481 00:31:52,039 --> 00:31:56,480 What it basically does is it gives the Secretary of Commerce for commerce, 482 00:31:56,559 --> 00:32:00,799 Yeah, Secretary of Commerce the authority to more or less just ban anything, 483 00:32:00,920 --> 00:32:05,839 you know what I mean. It gets elected officials and bureaucrats entirely too much 484 00:32:05,839 --> 00:32:09,440 power. It is very, very scary, right, So my take on 485 00:32:09,480 --> 00:32:14,319 TikTok itself. I mean, as for the data mining thing, are you 486 00:32:14,359 --> 00:32:19,279 know, spyware or whatever I do? I would generally say yes, it's 487 00:32:19,359 --> 00:32:21,880 kind of a matter of well, Silicon Valley does the same thing, right, 488 00:32:22,720 --> 00:32:24,680 Twitter, Instagram, Facebook, they all do the exact same thing. 489 00:32:25,119 --> 00:32:30,319 And I understand, though from a national perspective why our government might say, 490 00:32:30,319 --> 00:32:31,440 well, we don't want that data in the hands of the Chinese. I 491 00:32:31,480 --> 00:32:35,000 mean, I get it, But for me, it's not really like the 492 00:32:35,400 --> 00:32:39,200 biggest issue either way. But what I will say about TikTok is that in 493 00:32:39,200 --> 00:32:43,960 my experience, it has not been friendlier to conservatives than liberals. It's been 494 00:32:44,799 --> 00:32:49,359 one hundred percent the opposite. It's actually the worst platform to be a conservative 495 00:32:49,400 --> 00:32:52,799 on. The hate speech guidelines on there are the strictest, and a lot 496 00:32:52,799 --> 00:32:57,440 of stuff gets banned subjectively, like they don't even really have clear guidelines on 497 00:32:57,480 --> 00:33:01,079 there, just get banned. Back in twenty twenty Trump TikToker, but twenty 498 00:33:01,119 --> 00:33:06,319 twenty one, actually they ban basically every conservative, major conservative TikToker from the 499 00:33:06,359 --> 00:33:09,039 platform and have not brought them back. And now I understand now it's a 500 00:33:09,039 --> 00:33:13,799 little bit better, I think partially because they're trying to stop this bill, 501 00:33:13,880 --> 00:33:15,319 so it's like, Okay, let's try to ease up a little bit. 502 00:33:15,599 --> 00:33:20,240 But no, that's not been my experience at all. And then I would 503 00:33:20,319 --> 00:33:24,799 say that in terms of there's something about the algorithm of TikTok that in some 504 00:33:24,839 --> 00:33:30,559 ways is so masterfully designed and well designed, but also is so incredibly addictive 505 00:33:30,599 --> 00:33:34,680 that I would actually say it's worse than a lot of other social platforms for 506 00:33:34,720 --> 00:33:38,160 sure, And the way in which people spend their day on TikTok so disproportionately 507 00:33:38,160 --> 00:33:44,160 and they aglued to it so much more. I definitely don't like it as 508 00:33:44,200 --> 00:33:46,440 an app. Now, I just started a new TikTok account and I'm trying 509 00:33:46,440 --> 00:33:50,680 to use that as a means to reach people, and I think that it 510 00:33:50,839 --> 00:33:54,000 is worthwhile. If you know, if it's a place that most kids are 511 00:33:54,039 --> 00:33:58,200 on, then yeah, we might as well, you know, use it 512 00:33:58,200 --> 00:34:01,240 and occupy it. But I would overall, I mean, I do genuinely 513 00:34:01,279 --> 00:34:05,519 buy the idea that it's worse than a lot of other social platforms and stuff 514 00:34:05,559 --> 00:34:07,559 like that. But I mean, also, what are we going to do. 515 00:34:07,599 --> 00:34:09,119 We got to use it while we have it to try to reach people, 516 00:34:09,159 --> 00:34:14,679 because to tiktok'stredit is a place where you can go viral very quickly, 517 00:34:14,800 --> 00:34:17,559 right if you're doing it right. So you know, there's some things to 518 00:34:17,599 --> 00:34:22,800 consider, for sure, And it seems, you know, I'm kind of 519 00:34:22,800 --> 00:34:27,559 the mentality granted, this is just pure speculation. The restrict Acts. At 520 00:34:27,599 --> 00:34:30,880 least what has been said on record is that it is in an adaptation of 521 00:34:30,920 --> 00:34:36,440 Trump's previous executive order to get Bite Dance to divest from TikTok, so an 522 00:34:36,440 --> 00:34:42,199 American company or American investors can turn into an American company. And you know, 523 00:34:42,239 --> 00:34:45,119 if that's if we're following that logic, that's a strategy with the restrict 524 00:34:45,159 --> 00:34:52,519 Act. So my thought process is that if they want to turn TikTok into 525 00:34:52,599 --> 00:34:55,760 just another silicon valley American asset, it's kind of just going to follow the 526 00:34:55,760 --> 00:35:01,000 same approach as Meta or Twitter or any other looking valley monolith that is just 527 00:35:01,039 --> 00:35:06,519 going to weaponize itself against the American people. And like you said, it's 528 00:35:06,559 --> 00:35:10,800 great for virality and reaching young people if we have in a ability to use 529 00:35:10,840 --> 00:35:15,039 that to get our message out there before it clams down on us. I 530 00:35:15,360 --> 00:35:19,320 see that as in that positive. I think the issue is kind of, 531 00:35:19,880 --> 00:35:22,199 you know, who are we alienating while doing that of our already existing base, 532 00:35:22,599 --> 00:35:29,280 And how do we maintain our message, messages credibility while doing so? 533 00:35:29,360 --> 00:35:32,159 That way, we don't you know, risk our you know, pandering to 534 00:35:34,920 --> 00:35:39,519 rather getting coopted by woke algorithms to make sure we don't compromise our messages integrity 535 00:35:39,559 --> 00:35:45,400 in order to reach more people. So it's kind of like a it's a 536 00:35:45,400 --> 00:35:46,920 monkey's pall. Quite frankly, I don't really I don't think there is a 537 00:35:46,920 --> 00:35:51,039 perfect answer. I think it's just a lot of you know, strategic feeling 538 00:35:51,039 --> 00:35:54,280 it out and seeing how we have to proceed as we go. Well, 539 00:35:54,320 --> 00:35:57,880 I think that, I mean, that's sort of the case on every social 540 00:35:57,880 --> 00:36:01,760 platform and even on the TV airwave right to some agree with the TV. 541 00:36:01,800 --> 00:36:07,400 You know, there's FCC guidelines that are pretty pretty generationally solid. I think 542 00:36:07,440 --> 00:36:12,679 the issue with you know, big tech is the algorithms are just so shadowy 543 00:36:12,800 --> 00:36:16,480 and you know, sure, you know Musk's Twitter um made that public, 544 00:36:16,559 --> 00:36:22,280 but even then, Twitter under Elon Musk is just as broken if it or 545 00:36:22,280 --> 00:36:23,880 if if not more broken, because at the end of the day, these 546 00:36:23,920 --> 00:36:29,400 CEOs don't really run them. It's the managerial class and the bureaucrats within that 547 00:36:29,440 --> 00:36:35,440 are embedded within these organizations that run them. Yeah, I mean I think 548 00:36:35,480 --> 00:36:39,519 that it may come off some people, and I know it happens all the 549 00:36:39,559 --> 00:36:43,800 time. Hey, you know, why aren't you talking about the election on 550 00:36:43,840 --> 00:36:47,320 YouTube. Hey you screw you, you know, But it's just I think 551 00:36:47,360 --> 00:36:50,599 the truth of the matter is we have to understand, we have to be 552 00:36:50,639 --> 00:36:52,719 practical about things. We have to understand. Okay, there's an audience on 553 00:36:52,800 --> 00:36:55,639 here. I mean, yes, it'd be yeah, go move to my 554 00:36:55,800 --> 00:37:00,320 altech site. Sure, do that. But you know he's not going to 555 00:37:00,360 --> 00:37:01,519 have the same audience on there. You're not gonna have the same reach there. 556 00:37:01,519 --> 00:37:05,639 These are the platforms where the discussions are happening. These are the platforms 557 00:37:05,719 --> 00:37:09,360 where culture is being impacted. And I think it would be silly for conservatives 558 00:37:09,360 --> 00:37:14,480 to retreat from them instead of trying to use them practically. And I understand 559 00:37:14,480 --> 00:37:17,079 it's not perfect. I understand that you might try to think you're following everything 560 00:37:17,079 --> 00:37:20,320 correctly and still get banned. I mean, I'm not, you know, 561 00:37:20,719 --> 00:37:23,760 trying to defend these platforms. I'm just saying that I think if we're still 562 00:37:23,800 --> 00:37:27,559 allowed on them, if the individual is still allowed on them, I think 563 00:37:27,559 --> 00:37:30,639 it's silly not to try to figure out how to use it and try to 564 00:37:30,679 --> 00:37:34,400 spread a message on there. And TikTok to me is no different. And 565 00:37:34,519 --> 00:37:37,320 if some people don't like the fact that, hey, why are you conservatives 566 00:37:37,320 --> 00:37:40,400 on TikTok? I mean then I guess, okay, then don't I mean 567 00:37:40,440 --> 00:37:44,880 not to be the libertarian about this, But then you don't have to use 568 00:37:44,880 --> 00:37:47,280 TikTok. We're not demanding, We're just saying there's people on there, we're 569 00:37:47,320 --> 00:37:52,960 trying to reach them, and you know, holding yourself off into this niche 570 00:37:53,000 --> 00:37:57,280 of whatever. It's just I don't think it's smart strategy. You know, 571 00:37:57,320 --> 00:38:00,519 you have to try to reach people on everywhere you can reach them, right, 572 00:38:00,559 --> 00:38:02,719 And I think it's something to be said about, you know, like 573 00:38:02,760 --> 00:38:07,920 I said, using all tech platforms, but certain and by the way, 574 00:38:07,079 --> 00:38:09,880 even on that front, I would stay on the flip side. You know, 575 00:38:10,239 --> 00:38:13,679 I don't think it's a good thing that Tucker car I don't think it's 576 00:38:13,920 --> 00:38:17,119 good thing that Fox News lost Tucker Carls or Tucker Carlson lost Fox News everywhere 577 00:38:17,119 --> 00:38:22,440 you want to see it, because you know that that I would also acknowledge. 578 00:38:22,480 --> 00:38:24,800 As a younger person, I don't watch any cable news, but cable 579 00:38:24,840 --> 00:38:28,039 news is an airway for a lot of people. Right there's a lot of 580 00:38:28,039 --> 00:38:30,559 people that still watch it. Made the older people. I think it's a 581 00:38:30,599 --> 00:38:32,239 declining medium, but still there's a lot of people that watch it in the 582 00:38:32,280 --> 00:38:36,480 country. And now that you know, you could say Fox News is struggling 583 00:38:37,119 --> 00:38:40,719 understandably and logically as a network. I don't think that's entirely good for our 584 00:38:40,760 --> 00:38:45,599 society either, because cable news is another medium. I don't like the medium. 585 00:38:45,599 --> 00:38:47,880 I don't use the medium, but I'm still mature enough to recognize, 586 00:38:47,920 --> 00:38:52,679 hey, well, then other people are on this medium, they watch this 587 00:38:52,760 --> 00:38:57,119 medium, they take it seriously. So conservatives have to try to be on 588 00:38:57,159 --> 00:38:59,519 there, you know. And so I would say the same thing in the 589 00:38:59,559 --> 00:39:02,719 other direct, not for sure, and it's I'm of the same mentality. 590 00:39:02,719 --> 00:39:05,880 You know. We have to we have to wage the war on all fronts. 591 00:39:06,239 --> 00:39:09,119 Putting ourselves in these little ideological echo chambers. It might be nice for 592 00:39:09,119 --> 00:39:13,079 the little serotonin and boots when you get a bunch of retweets or read truths 593 00:39:13,159 --> 00:39:19,119 or whatever the boost name is in whatever platform, but if you're not reaching 594 00:39:19,119 --> 00:39:22,639 as many people as possible, what is the point. You're just gonna You're 595 00:39:22,679 --> 00:39:25,320 just gonna lose. And sure, sure the algorithms are going to weaponize themselves 596 00:39:25,360 --> 00:39:29,000 against us, but you know that's a risk we kind of have to take. 597 00:39:29,079 --> 00:39:32,320 Until we can assure you know, actual freedom of speech on all platforms. 598 00:39:32,519 --> 00:39:36,639 Yeah, yeah, for sure, I agree. Well, it's been 599 00:39:36,679 --> 00:39:39,480 it's been great having you on um where can people find you? So? 600 00:39:39,519 --> 00:39:44,000 You can find me on YouTube, which is my I guess my most active 601 00:39:44,039 --> 00:39:47,119 platform. I'm there at I'm just look at my name, Vince daw I'm 602 00:39:47,159 --> 00:39:52,840 on Twitter at Vince daw TV and Instagram at the Vince dow So and I'm 603 00:39:52,840 --> 00:39:54,400 on Rumble too. You can find me on there. Hey, folks, 604 00:39:54,400 --> 00:39:58,280 thanks for listening. As always, be lovers of freedom and anxious for the 605 00:39:58,280 --> 00:40:08,320 fray. You got me right, but you won't be right right