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Fifth, twenty twenty four, Garry
Jeff walking with you on seven hundred WLW

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and joining us once again from The
Washington Times. Cheryl Chumley. She's a

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Christian, she's a conservative. She's
a writer, she's an author, she's

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a speaker, and she's very outspoken, especially with the things that she knows

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in her spirit, in her soul
are true. And she does not waiver.

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Cheryl Chumley, Welcome to the show. How are you doing on this

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Super Tuesday? If that is still
a thing Super Tuesday? I'm doing super

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Thank you for having me right Well, the only thing that's super about it

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is I've got you back for a
few minutes tonight. I don't think there's

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anything really especially super about this particular
Super Tuesday. In the election title,

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it's pretty much predetermined what was going
to go on. We won't talk about

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results because we don't know all of
them yet. But is this the you

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think this is the final straw for
Nicki Hayley? Yeah, I mean,

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really, that's the only question of
intrigue out there right other than that question

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suddenly that matter. It's it's sort
of a boring Super Tuesday. We already

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know what's going to happen. Trump
is going to be the candidate of choice,

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and so is Joe Biden. So
the big question is when does Nikki

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Hily drop out? And I think
it's going to have to come if she

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doesn't have a strong showing today,
which you know by all indicators she will

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not, that she's going to have
to drop out this week. Right.

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I thought that the writing was definitely
on the wall, probably before this,

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but when the Koch brothers pulled their
money, you kind of knew that the

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well was drying up as far as
being able to continue the campaign for the

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former UN secretary and the governor of
South South Carolina. But anyway, second

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question, what exactly is Donald Trump
needing immunity from What crime did he actually

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commit? Because I haven't been able
to figure that out yet. They say

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trying to overturn the twenty twenty election. All he did was actually was asking

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for a redress of grievances with the
government in an election that he felt was

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unfair and there was massive voter fraud
and cheating. In the other side says

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there's no evidence of any fraud,
And I just wonder, what evidence do

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you need outside of the stopping of
the counting of ballots on election night when

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it's obviously Donald Trump's night, and
then closing down all of these counting places

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in Georgia and Pennsylvania happened and other
states. On election night, Donald Trump

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was ahead, and just as my
late friend loell Ponte predicted back in May

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of twenty twenty, he said,
well, I believe Gary, Jeff,

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what's going to happen is Donald Trump
will be well ahead on election night and

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then they will find these ballots.
And he was dead on correct. Did

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you have that kind of Did you
have that kind of prognostication too in twenty

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twenty with everything else that was going
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No, I went to bed at
like three in the morning thinking how Trump

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has won this handily? Woke up
to find out that, my goodness,

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he hasn't. What happened? And
then that's when you start hearing all the

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news about, you know, certain
polling places stopped counting, which is unheard

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of. And that's when it slowly
trickled out about all these mail in ballots

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and being founded right And are you
there, Cheryl? You've gone away on

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me, Cheryl? Are you there? I can't hear you, So I

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tell you what. We're going to
take a break real quick and come back

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with more from Cheryl Chumley on the
Nightcap on seven hundred WLW Are you there,

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Cheryl? Yes? Can you hear
me? I can't. I can

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now. I missed everything that you
said. After lo and behold they found

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all these extra ballots, and all
of a sudden your audio went away.

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But that's okay, we're here,
so I would dress. I was stressing

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the question you asked about Trump and
immunity, And it's an interesting question you

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asked because in this nation, you
are supposed to be, as a citizen,

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presumed innocent until found guilty in a
court of law by a jury of

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your peers, and none of that
has come Trump's way. So we're sort

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of in this situation where law and
order has been flipped on its head and

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Trump is deemed guilty simply because he's
a strong conservative America First MAGA type and

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the Democrats hate that. Well,
he's also a threat to the machine inside

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the Beltway that goes belong well beyond
party lines. It's you know, it's

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the bureaucracy of Washington, d C. What Donald Trump called the swamp and

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he was at certain points draining that
swamp just like he. You know,

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it was amazing. Everything that Donald
Trump. Almost everything that Donald Trump promised

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on the campaign trail, he tried
his damnedest to pull off in the twenty

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seventeen to twenty twenty one term.
You know, COVID was the hiccup in

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there, and I you know,
I don't know who would have handled that

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right, but you know what I
mean, and these other candidates. I

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was having a discussion with somebody else
yesterday about this. Obama promised to be

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the great racial healer and he was
exactly the opposite of that. Joe Biden

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planned to be the adult in the
room. We didn't know how old an

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adult we were getting, but had
some hints anyway before the election and to

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unite the country, and he has
done nothing but the divide. It's like

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Obama part two. Donald Trump,
I believe, consistently tried to fulfill all

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of his campaign promises. And that's
that's quite rare in today's American electorate.

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It is, and that's why the
left hates him. That's why the globalists

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especially can't stand him, because he
didn't just use America first, as a

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talking point for his campaign as a
bumper sticker. He used that as sort

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of the guiding compass for all that
he did during his four years in the

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White House. And he did it
even though he was constantly under attack,

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not just by the Democrats and not
just by the media, which are expected,

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but by members of his own party. If you go back in time,

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remember when Donald Trump first took over
the White House. He had majorities

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in both House and Senate in the
Republican Party, and they fought him almost

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as much as Democrats did, which
is why he turned to his executive order

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use so frequently. But you know, the fact that Donald Trump upheld his

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campaign promises is one of the unforgivable
sins in politics, no matter what party

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you're with. Yeah, because it
makes everybody else look you look like pikers,

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look like hacks. You know.
It's when you do a good job.

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And as Donald Trump has said in
this election cycle, my revenge will

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be success, and that will be
sweet revenge if we get a chance to

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look at that come November or next
January. But yet, go ahead,

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Donald Trump is sailing into the White
House. Really bar some horrific acts of

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cheating, which I don't put beyond
the realm of Democrat strategy. He will

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be the next president of the United
States. How are they going to try

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and cheat this time? There have
been some stopgap measures put in place since

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twenty twenty, but I don't think
nearly enough. We've still got dead voters

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on the rolls and stayed after state
after state, Sheryl, and you know,

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those people could turn up and vote
again. Yeah, ah ah.

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It's it's the uh, the non
sacred resurrection of voters that come to save

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the Democrats again. I just don't
know how they're going to try it,

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but they are going to try,
There's no question about it. And as

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other people have said, you have
to somehow get enough votes that they can't

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cheat that much. I mean,
that has to be the strategy. And

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I don't know if it's early voting
by conservative voters, or more mail in

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ballots by conservative voters, or ballot
harvesting where it's allowed, which I've never

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I've never gotten. It was interesting
to see how who was it? Merrick

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Garland in a press conference yesterday or
over the weekend, was talking about the

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all of the obstacles that people had
in voting, you know, and people

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want to take away mail in bouting
ballots, and they want to force voter

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ID and like the people he's talking
to don't have the wherewithal to get a

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voter ID an a driver's license or
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That is such a condescending, insulting
thing to insist that a certain group of

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population does not have the smarts or
the wherewithal to obtain a voter ID,

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which in many states are free.
Well, it is condescending. But it's

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not about getting these people to the
ballot boxes to vote, right, It's

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about it's about creating a chaotic system
in part that starts by moving removing the

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idea of election day and instead making
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months right where it starts with balance
that trickle in by mail here and there,

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and then after election day it takes
forever to count those mail in ballots

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and then the contest in court starts. So it's all about creating a system

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of breaking down America's election process so
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As a Christian and as a conservative, you know, I know you

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are, and I have my Christian
faith, and I am a conservative talk

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show host. I'm wondering what I'm
doing wrong because they haven't come to prosecute

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me yet. I just I don't
know if I should be trying harder or

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it's a big platform here in the
middle of the Middle West, you know,

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fifty thousand watts seven hundred WLW legendary
radio station. I guess I'm just

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not conservative or Christian enough because they
haven't come after me yet. Because if

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they've gone of these other people,
it means that any American citizen who breaks

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from their narrative, who questions their
agenda is got a target on their back.

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Do you feel like that sometimes?
Oh? Absolutely? But you know

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they're big target right now? Is
Donald Trump? Right? Because he's sort

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of the face of the Christian conservatives
out there in America? And I know

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not all Christians like Trump, and
maybe not even all Conservatives like them either,

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but he's still the face of the
Christian nationalists that the left has been

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Oh so, you know, desperately
trying to turn into a negative label conveniently

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forgetting or refusing to see that this
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All founding fathers were in essence Christian
nationalists to some degree, and so

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Donald Trump brings that sort of agenda
to the forefront, and he doesn't just

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talk the talk. We saw under
four years of him in the White House

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under great dress, he still managed
to walk the walk, and he did

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things for, you know, our
friends in Israel, moving the embassy from

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Tel Aviv to Jerusalem, the Abraham
Accords, things that if he were only

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a Democrat, the mainstream media would
still be applauding him for. But because

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he's a Republican who believes in America
first, he's constantly under attack, and

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so go his followers and base of
support. It's just as wrong as when

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conservatives were being attacked at dinner or
wherever they were. But AOC and other

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Democrats being attacked because of the Biden
policy on support of Israel now and they're

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getting a taste of their own medicine. When they said, well, it's

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good if you're uncomfortable, it's good
if you're being pointed out as someone who

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doesn't hold our values. And it's
just kind of interesting. It's not any

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better. They shouldn't be, but
it's interesting to see the shoe on the

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other foot, so to speak,
isn't it. Yeah, these socialists and

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Marxists create this universe where they call
out political opponents as enemies and then call

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for their own base support to go
and track down these so called political enemies

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at their homes, at their places
of work, at eating establishments and protests

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and unleash the whirlwind winds and all
that in summers of resistance. And that's

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fine because in their minds that means
justifies their end, which is to completely

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stifle conservative viewpoint. But when someone
like AOC right gets approached by a pro

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hamas nut following her in a public
setting, she can't take it. She

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finds that, in her words,
wrong, that this is not right,

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this is wrong. And yet at
the very same time, it was Alexandria

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O Caesio Cortes who talked about how
protests and protesters are supposed to make you

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feel uncomfortable. So this is of
their own doing, This is of the

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democrat's own creation. I don't agree
with it, but then again hit for

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tap yeah, no kidding, no
kidding, hold on, uh we anybody

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do you see anybody by that cabinet? And an ut crazy Maxine Water is

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just an example of what I was
talking about from the left, And uh,

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you know, now again a little
taste of it on the other side

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for AOC and others who are in
Congress. I uh, I don't know

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where the Supreme Court is going.
It was interesting to see that they took

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up the immunity case at all.
Did you find that that was kind of

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curious because they could have passed on
that very easily. I never know what

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the Supreme Court is going to do, to be honest, They constantly surprised

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me in the cases they accept for
verus refuse, so I'm not the expert

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on that. Well. They take
they take about one percent of all petitions

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in front of them. I heard
that somewhere, and this one is so

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crucial again to possibly Donald Trump being
prosecuted before the election. They'll probably they're

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going to start oral arguments, they
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this, which means that they will
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term, probably mid to late June, and then Jack Smith can go on,

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you know, with his his phantom
prosecution for something that should never have

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been a crime. And if it
wasn't Donald Trump and he wasn't running for

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president, it wouldn't have been a
crime. I predict Cheryl Chumley reader into

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Washington Times, and thank you so
much for our time tonight. Oh,

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thank you, God, bless,
God, bless. Always great to have

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Cheryl on the show. We'll take
a break and come back. Dave Hatter

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on the other side on seven hundred
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on spring cleaning, get rid of
all the dart and grime this winter.

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Contributing tonight and so glad and please
to have mister Dave Hatter with us.

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In the Internet of Things world,
it was kind of wacky earlier with Meta

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and some Instagram and some I don't
know, the stuff going down and not

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being available for their users. They're
millions of users, and that's not necessarily

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a bad thing. Dave Hatter,
how are you tonight, Gary, Jeff,

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I'm glad to be here and I'm
good. How are you all right?

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So do they have any answers to
attribute what happened here? So right

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before we got on the phone here, I took a look at what Facebook

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was saying and it looks like per
their site metastatus, which is kind of

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their own version of a site like
down detector that kind of shows you what's

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going on. With various popular services, and everything says recover disruptions. Currently,

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my understanding from the press I've seen
is they haven't given any indication as

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to what happened yet, and apparently
the outspread the good Lord, the outage

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was very widespread. I can't seem
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it looks like they're recovering from it. You know, usually when you see

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these kinds of things, it's some
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with the AT and T thing.
Somebody changes a router or updates some software

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or something. So it'll be really
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If I had the gas based on
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would say it's probably something network related, routers, switches, that kind of

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thing, only because it bled across
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Facebook, you know, if it
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I would think, you know,
maybe more software related. So it'll

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be interesting to see what they have
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any indication of a cyber attack at
this point, but you know, usually

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it's not uncommon to not find out
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later, so it definitely bears watching. But I think it makes an important

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point that as our society, society
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these platforms for things. Because keep
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Facebook to share photos with their grandma. Some people have set up log in

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so when they go to log into
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Facebook log in. And if Facebook
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can't log in. You know,
as we get increasingly reliant on all this

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very fragile digital technology, it creates
the potential for substantial issues when things break,

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and whether it's broken because things just
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human error, or it's some sort
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result of the same. So definitely
bears watching. Give me a good old

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carburetor over a computer on wheels any
day, Dan. I'm with you on

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that, Gary, Jeff, especially
in light of these news stories that keep

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popping up, like did you happen
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that were cut? No? I
missed that. What happened? So numerous

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outlets have been reporting on this for
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from Fortune Internet cables cut in the
Red Sea end quote exceptionally unquote rare incident

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disrupting much of Asia, Europe,
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a bunch of reporting on this out
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if you don't really work in the
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the networking components that make all of
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there is, how much Internet traffic
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across the bottom of the sea,
and these things, you know, get

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cut sometimes by fish and ships dragging
an anchor. There's all kinds of speculation

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around what happened in this case.
Is speculation that the Houthies did it.

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There's speculation, you know, that
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currently a tanker that's sunk recently in
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and a Hoofi attack, and then
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it sunk, it caused it by
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knows exactly what they do. They're
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the more important part of the story
in my mind is, and you'll find

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all kinds of statistics about this.
But here's an article about it that was

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published originally by Forbes, and they
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through these cables, most of which
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you know, and if you knew
where they were and what they were

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and you wanted to cause a significant
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you could cut these things. So
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which is a telecom company that's trying
to figure this out, said about twenty

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five percent of the Internet traffic that
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mostly affect Africa, Asia and Europe, has had to be rerouted. And

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then further down in this article,
if you keep reading, they get into

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some more interesting statistics. So here
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cables to Internet access? A study
published by the Department of Homeland Security and

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twenty seventeen estimated the wait for it, great, yet ninety seven percent of

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all intercontinental electronic communication took place using
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routed a deeds the world's oceans.
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how how the vital the cables in
the Middle East are after three divers attempted

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to intentionally cut on the table near
Alexandria and internet speeds and Egypt fell by

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about sixty percent. Wow. So
it's very important. Now. I thought

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I thought more of that Internet traffic
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didn't. Well, and I think
it is shifting, especially when you see

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products like Starlink coming online. But
yeah, there's an enormous amount of stuff

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going through of these you know,
very very exposed in most cases undersea cables.

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or something like that, or in
the case of some sort of well designed

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attack that would potentially knock out substantial
amounts of Internet traffic. And it's a

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major concern of mind. It gets
back to a topic you and I have

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talked about more and more in the
last few years, this idea of critical

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infrastructure, and the point I keep
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we we have got to get to
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things by design. Our whole society
revolves around this stuff. Now, whether

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it's the ability for electricity to make
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computers that rely on the Internet or
for you to be able to get money

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out of the ATM, or just
about everything we do. The Internet is

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a key component of almost everything now. And if you can knock it out

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in a substantial way, including you
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a if iber attack of some sort, or you just knock out all these

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undersea cables, it's a huge problem. In a story, I agree in

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a story that I will relate to
my neighbor Judy, who's not into all

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this stuff. But yet Judy's a
grandma and a great grandma, and her

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phone could ring and it might be
what it might sound like one of her

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sons or her daughter's, or it
might sound like one of her grandchildren,

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but it's really not. It's an
AI voice clone scam. And the thing

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is the suggestion to avoid these AI
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Dave Patter, if you have a
voicemail message with your voice on it,

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these people who are doing these scams
can clone your voice very easily,

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very quickly, and it really does
sound like especially to a relative, and

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say you get a call and I'm
in jail or I've been arrested by the

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police, and you need to send
money now, or you need to get

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this money in a card or whatever
right now. You know, sometimes the

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logic doesn't hit you because that really
sounds like your relative's voice, so you

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want to get them freed from being
kidnapped or you know, out of jail,

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and so you just jump to it
without thinking about it, and a

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lot of people are scammed this way. Well. Now, there's an idea

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that was in this article about creating
a family password, and it reminds me

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of a Blue Bloods episode where apparently
the entire family had had a code word

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for years that was taught to them
when they were children, and it was

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when Frank Reagan says, nobody hurts
my family. That was their cue to

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get down immediately and it resolved a
thing. So family password then would be

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something that you would expect your relative
to say to you on the phone to

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let you know that it's them.
Did I get a good grasp on that

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story? Yeah, I think you
really nailed it, Jerry Jeff. I

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mean to start out with, I
know this sounds crazy to people, this

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voice clothing thing, but I can
tell you from firsthand experience from having tested

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it. That a what you said
about people's voicemails, right, Whether I

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can go on Facebook, assuming it's
up and running, and find a video

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someone posted that has your voice or
your grandson's voice or whoever in it,

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or I just call your phone and
you have a voicemail greeting with your voice

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on it. If there's any way
for me to get your voice using completely

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free tools that are readily available on
the Internet and can be found with a

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simple Internet search, you can upload
the voice that you've captured somehow into these

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models, and then with a little
training, literally sit at a keyboard and

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type in whatever you want to say
in that person's voice. Again, this

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is not me speculating on it.
I have actually tested this. I know

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this is possibility, and it's possible
using free tools that are readily available.

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That's the thing I think that's probably
the most far fetched to people. A

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Google search will turn into don't use
Google, use dufduto our start page.

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But an Internet search will turn up
these tools, and in a relatively short

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period of time, with no cost
and no previous experience, you can clone

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someone's voice. And then you hit
the second part. I know people think

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why would never be fooled by that. Keep in mind, it's not just

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the voice cloning piece, where you
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someone's voice that sounds very much,
if not exactly like that person. It's

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the they're social engineering you too.
Right, you get a call at three

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o'clock in the morning, there's your
distraught daughter or grandson or whomever on the

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phone. They claim to be in
jail. They've done some terrible thing,

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they need money to get out on
bail, and in many cases there will

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be multiple scammers. This has also
been documented by people like the FBI.

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You can go find examples of the
FBI's warning about exactly what we're talking about

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here. And you get you know, uh here, I'm going to put

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you on the phone with Sergeants such
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And they've used open source intelligence to
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website and or LinkedIn and find someone
there. Oh, you can look me

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up. You know this is this
is you know, Deputy such and such

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and this person go here, that's
me. You know, these people will

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social engineer you. They'll tell whatever
lies they need you to get to your

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money. So they've caught you off
guard. They've hit you with something realistic,

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they've got multiple people involved in the
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And really your only defense at this
point is to do exactly what the Electronic

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Frontier Foundation is recommending in that article
you reference, which is to in advance,

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create some type of family password,
passphrase, whatever that only you and

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your loved ones would know. So
when you when you get that call in

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the middle of the night and they're
trying to catch you off guard, and

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they're trying to get you in a
situation where you're not thinking about how implausible

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this all is. You know,
you say the password, and when they

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don't know it, well, it
may not still be one hundred percent guarantee

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that it's not your actual loved one, But now you have a strong indicator

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and you know, then you can
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questions that only they would know.
I would just remind you you can't really

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rely on that second part alone because
so many people post their entire lives out

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on Facebook and Instagram and chat and
TikTok and whatever that you know, I

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might know your cast name, I
might know the school that you went to,

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because again, these people will do
open source intelligence to find out the

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information they need to scan you.
And I'd also take it a step further,

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Gary Jeff and say it would be
a good idea in a business for

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at least the executives and the people
who have access to finances and the ability

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to transfer funds and so forth,
to create a similar sort of password so

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that because voice cloning scams were on
the lines with businesses. I think we

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talked last week as the story where
twenty five million dollars was stolen, a

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scam that involved a zoom call and
a bunch of people who were deep sacked.

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So knowing having some sort of preapproved
secret password that only the people who

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would be authorized to do these things
would know is a really really smart idea

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and probably out of than just general
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Dave Patter just about three minutes left
and wanted to get to this story real

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quick. Hackers have discovered another reason
not to use Google. Hackers have discovered

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a way to access Google accounts without
a password. So this is probably less

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of a knock on Google directly than
it is an illustration of how smart these

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people are. In this particular case, researchers discovered some malware someone created,

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and you know, let's say I
send you a link, can you click

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that link of phishing email and you
download this malware this, you know,

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malicious software virus type of software to
your device. What it's basically doing is

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circumventing the login process on Google because
it waits for you to log in.

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But this is a Google specific attack
at this point, but there's no reason

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why it couldn't be directed at other
vendors. And that's why I don't really

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want to just bust on Google here. It's really more about the idea and

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how smart and deedious these people are. So, you know, you hear

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me say all the time multi factor
authentication. Well, here's one of the

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ways they get around it. You
enter your use your name of password into

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your credentials, you know, and
then you get prompted for the MSA code

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you enter that Google sends back a
session token. This is kind of nerds

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speak, right, but basically a
cookie. It's the words your session token,

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and they're grabbing that after you've already
successfully logged in and gone through the

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multi factor authentication process. So again
it's pretty disturbing. In this case,

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it's specifically targeted to people who are
using Google services as particular malware, but

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it's not like, you know,
we see it interest all kinds of different

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attacks trying to get around multi factor
authentication. Sadly, as much as that

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does improve your security posture, they're
increasingly figuring out what he to work to

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work around it. So you know, again, folks just have to be

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very careful. Don't download anything that
you don't understand, don't click links unless

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you're certain there often authentic, and
you know, be increasingly skeptical about anything

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you're doing that wants to install something
or download something, because it could be

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some kind of malware that's going to
steal your session tokens for Google or Microsoft

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or whatever, at which point they
have free ring to do whatever they want,

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and that's that's a potentially devastating problem. So they take a bite out

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of your cookie once you're logged on, and that cookie bite you in the

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ass exactly. It's kind of like, you know, you've got to keep

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the cookie monster out here. Yeah, all right, Dave Hadder, thanks

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for helping us with that again tonight
and thanks for your time as all as

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my friend, always my pleasure,
Garrett Jeff, thank you all right.

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on southwest Ohio, so we need

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a conservative we trust to defeat them