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What is krak Alakin fellow thermonuclear a
efforts. I am Dan's Valley coming at

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you with my certified fantabulous cohost,
mister Grant Hughes. It is our first

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emergency podcast in many, many moons. Damian Lillard traded to the Milwaukee Bucks.

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DeAndre Ayton a member of the Blazers, Yusef Nurkics a member of the

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Suns. As the thumbnail on this
says, holy fuck, Grant, before

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we dive into everything, how are
you doing? Where's your head at right

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now? Is what is going on? Well, first of all, I'm

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really confused because when you said we
got to do an emergency pod, I

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thought it was about the Warriors signing
Rudy Gay to a one year deal,

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So I mostly came prepared to talk
about that, and I just you know,

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everybody needs a big forward. I
don't care that it's his eighteenth year.

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He could really, you know,
he could give you seven to ten.

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No, this is nuts, right, Like, this is unexpected one

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because they're you know, for whatever
stock you put in them. The rumblings

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leading into this week, we're really
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Toronto for Dame. And then oh, but this probably Then there's the counter

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rumblings, which are even less founded
than the original one, saying like that's

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probably just leverage so that Miami ups
it's offer, Like who put that out

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there? The Toronto thing doesn't really
make sense because that would be the Raptors

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choosing a direction and they don't do
that. But yeah, we're not here

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to talk about the Raptors. We're
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member of the Milwaukee Bucks and like
a not insignificant number of like starting caliber,

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you know, occasional all star players
also moving around. So yeah,

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this is wild. I don't think
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overstate the significance of Jannis being very
public about you gotta show me that you're

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serious, uh in your aspirations to
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be gone. I mean, I'm
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or maybe it was explicit. I
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it was not implied and boom Milwaukee, Like that's why, so I guess

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my my great hot take. Yeah, thank you, I Glasgow. I'm

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also here for the Rudy Gay emergency
pod. Yeah, I don't know what

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to make of it. We can, we can kind of like split it

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up into the Buck side the Portland
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What are your initial thoughts other than
this is a surprising thing that happened.

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I'm trying to wrap my head,
So let's get to the details.

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Yeah, so the Bucks get Damian
Lillard and you didn't gather that. The

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Blazers get Drew Holliday, DeAndre Aten, Jumani Kamara, who, by the

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way, the Timeline guys were extremely
high on when we did this song's look

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ahead, so they can be happy
he's part of this trade they will get.

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The Blazers will also get a twenty
twenty nine first round pick from the

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Bucks, and they have swaps with
the Bucks now in twenty twenty eight and

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two thousand and thirty, so as
of right now, they have one physical

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first round pick from the Damian Lillard
trade. The Suns will receive use of

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Nurkige This here, little Keyan Johnson
and Grayson Allen. Just for the Cap

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sickos out there, this is basically
net neutral for the Bucks. Unless there's

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any details that I'm missing. They're
they're actually saving like four hundred thousand dollars

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in salary, So kudos to all
you people who care about how much luxury

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tax your your favorite teams owners are
paying. The Blazers save about one point

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three million so far, so they
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dollars in wiggle room outside the tacks. That'll be important, I think is

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they make other moves and the Suns
what's interesting. Unless I missed a detail

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here, maybe I calculated wrong,
but I did it three times, they're

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actually taken on almost two million dollars
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going to be inching closer to h
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yeah, they're unprotected swaps. But
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just better than the Blazers in those
years. So that's why I said one

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physical first round pick, but the
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We'll also want to take use of
Nurkic's feels very not great, but

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I think we have to start with
the Bucks because like, this is just

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this is groundbreaking in so many ways
because it sets up the Bucks. I

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think, like, who which team
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Bucks in the East right now,
I feel like this makes them as long

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as Damian Lillard's there, prohibitive favorites
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what I will ask you is is
there any concerned on your end about Damian

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Lillard now turning around and trying to
get out of Milwaukee, Because if he

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really wants to win, I'll say
this whole thing is a bad look for

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him and his team. I think
did a good job of submarining his trade

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value. It just didn't end up
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actually wants to win, you're now
with the second best player in the league,

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and I think you're probably better set
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next two years with Milwaukee than if
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my gut, my gut feeling.
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this or will he be happy?
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a few minutes ago that excited for
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excited for my next chapter at Bucks. So I think, like, I

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think we're good there, and it's
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a preferred destination, you know,
I guess, but that's just when it

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when the alternative or like the fallback
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won a title, like it would
be really it would be an impossible look

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for him to say, no,
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be in Miami. Get me there, reroute me somehow. I just think

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so my concerns if insofar as there
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know, they do lose a little
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like what's their first unit? Look
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Look like it's pretty thin because you're
now asking like as I pull it

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up here to you know, tell
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really obvious, But it's like,
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Beasily gonna start? Are you gonna
go Middleton? Two? Jay Crowd or

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three? Is marsha on bow Champ
Bochamp gonna get? I mean, he's

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gonna play more like I just those
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I don't know, but I'm just
saying, like does that am I

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I guess how big of a concern
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we worrying? Are we counting pennies? You know when this is a multi

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multimillion dollars you know deal situation,
Like who really cares? The Bucks will

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figure it out, maybe they'll get
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someone to a minimum. Although Rudy
Gay off the board, sorry Bucks him,

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But yeah, no, I that's
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like the down the road cost of
Dame's contract, I think that's not

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unique to the Buck. Whoever had
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about that. I don't care at
all that they're the Bucks draft is just

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like you're not gonna be drafting until
Jannie is like forty years old. That's

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I don't care that. Like you're
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picks don't really matter to me,
and like maybe they won't be that good

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anyway, so who cares if you're
losing them? Do you have any other

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Bucks concerns? Like and or is
the depth thing overblown? Should should we

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be concerned about that? I don't. I go back and forth in the

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depth thing. There's a chance not
defensively, because Grace and Allen was clearly

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better defensively now, but like you
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could replace some of what you're losing
in Grace and Allen. You're getting one

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of the best off the dribble three
point shooters of all time. Going back

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to twenty nineteen, twenty and twenty, there's only been one season in which

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Dame shot less than thirty seven percent
on off the dribble threes. That is

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massive for this team. Drew how
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It almost always deteriorated in the playoffs. And by almost always, I

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mean absolutely always deteriorate in the playoffs. So you make this trade. I

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want there was some I think there's
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mentioned it, like, oh,
this is a response to Jannas saying whatever.

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If Jannis had not said whatever,
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you make that trade. Yeah,
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So this is not a panic move
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now, and so you're putting a
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after Like now, this makes me
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they should have kept them anyway,
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Javonne Carter, how much better you
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think it's gonna put a lot on
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put a lot on the shoulders of
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but like Middleton, Conaton and I
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you mentioned Jake Crowder. I think
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have to play in some sort of
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the day facto too. But like, buddy, you're gonna be garden wings

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now probably, so I think that's
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say it this way, but like
you haven't play like Marjohn Bochamp is still

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on this team, so one you
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that's intrigued by him, and you
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rotation wing who can play for you
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something, you still have some salary
parts to move around. I think the

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depth concern is fair and specifically,
like what does this do to their defense?

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And I also think what was actually
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with them when Chris Middleton came back
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half court. Even in the playoffs
short lived, they didn't have the worst

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half court offense. I think that
the real issue here is there was a

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genuine deterioration in that offensive pecking order, though once you got to the postseason,

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Damian Lillard innoculates you against that is
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a reaction to we don't know what
Chris Middleton is gonna look like with his

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knee. He's getting older, Brook
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gamble in some sense. But I
think it appreciably and I'll even say one

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step further, I would say exponentially
improves their championship stock because you have to

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measure them against team and teams in
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Yeah, I think as I Glasgow
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head coach should at least be mentioned
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that's true mainly to a regular season
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like really excelled for all his faults
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that just worked over eighty two games, And I think there's gonna be some

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fundamental changes here. I don't know. You know, again, we're just

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spitballing. I'm sure we'll get more
information on this, but like, so,

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does this mean that Lillard maybe plays
off the ball a little more?

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Does this mean Yannis it becomes a
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an rolll like a rollman and pick
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done. I just had some time
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over the last one, two,
three, four, five years, his

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usage as a pick and roll rollman
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which is really really low. I
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roll man usage rate. So it's
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is the best pick and roll ball
handling guard and sometimes it's just been better

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than Curry in that in that area, you gotta play a lot of high

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pick and roll And that's awesome in
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to draw a center out because he
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guy, and maybe you put Jannis
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don't know, have him crashing from
the corner. But like I'm just I'm

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I'm just kind of trying to talk
through, at least offensively, what will

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have to change for Lillard and or
Yannis to kind of make this work.

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Because Jannis as an off ball guy, is you know, to be stoked

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if you're an opposing defense, and
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without the ball, right, So
like, I just you know, there's

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gonna be plenty of workarounds. But
that was my first instinct is like Lillard

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is a very specific type of offensive
player and Yannis is just a very unusual

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type of offensive player. So getting
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the ceiling's obviously like stupidly high,
but it's not necessarily going to be the

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smoothest fit. I don't think that's
interesting because I guess, like what is

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the how does it change going from
Drew to Dame, Like Dame is going

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to be the better off ball shooter
anyway, And so it just comes down

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to, like there needs to be
more time where Yannis doesn't have the ball,

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and how do the Bucks sort of
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concerns. Well, it's just I
don't know if it's a concern or a

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question or what it is, but
I do think, like, don't you

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think it's realistic that maybe Dame is
off the ball more than he's ever been

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before, because you're still gonna want
Yannis to try to cook a little bit.

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But maybe Yannis just gets it all
in transition and you know, on

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Ducans and that kind of thing,
and it's not an issue. But anytime

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you're putting two two players of this
high usage in this just general high caliber

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together, you gotta kind of tinker
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little bit. I think, yeah, they'll be I think Dame will be

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the one that probably has to make
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coach thing that Glasgow was saying,
or Glasgow, I get it. It's

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kind of similar to what happened with
Nick Nurse in Toronto, where it's like,

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oh, he takes over and like
all sudden, Kauai is just there

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and he's entering free agency. Dame
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on his deal, so that I
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also the guy that Jannis wanted,
so he knows that he's Adrian Griffin knows

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that he's Joanna's guy. I think
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with Terry Stotts. I never got
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to its extent. I really just
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could wrap up the Bucks thing after
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mention the money, you have to
give him kudos for like, hey,

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we're taking on this Damian Lillard contract, who it's four years and two hundred

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plus because Drew was up and like
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player option was forty million for next
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But like he might have resigned at
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they needed to do. They swung. I'm just do you think that there's

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any chance this becomes zak Loo likes
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Like, I really don't envision him
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like could this be sort of a
one year thing when we're back and it's

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the same type of request next summer, even if the Bucks make the Conference

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finals, or something. I just
how invested was he because he's always talked

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about winning, and that's how always
cares about. Like, he seemed really

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invested in getting to Miami. And
so, by the way, Jimmy was

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invested. I don't know if you
saw he went on Twitter or went on

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IG Live or something and called for
the NBA to investigate the Bucks for tampering.

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That feels like a troll, right, That feels like a Jimmy Butler

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troll, just like him trolling about
complaining about gas prices for his Bugatti the

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other day. Yeah, something.
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is interesting. I would I would, well, you can't rule anything out,

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but I would say that like as
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Like, are you really gonna like
walk away from that unless things go

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horrible and it's a terrible fit or
whatever. But that doesn't seem very likely

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to me. I didn't finish as
as Glasgow again is asking about the picking

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roll stuff. Jannis not in addition
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like generally not that good at it. You know, we're talking like

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the forty fifth percentile last year,
eighty fifth before that, fifty nine sixty

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six. There's a ninety second years
ago. But these are tiny samples and

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they're very like volatile. I guess
some of that, as you know,

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their garbs have been different. But
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don't need to harp on that because
that's kind of a tangential point to the

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fact that like Damian Lillard and Jannis
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that's a big deal. I think
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unless you've got another angle to hit
there. No, I'd liked the angle

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I'd like to hit before we get
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I think most from the Suns and
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Bucks, it's yeah, you have
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you do it. But Miami and
Toronto there's some there's fallout here, and

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so I'll start with Miami. I
find it objectively hysterical, and I tweeted

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this that the Blazers found a way
to take both Dame and Yannis off Miami's

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trade board, because is whatever you
think about well technique Dame could want out

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again. I would say that you've
kind of ensured that Jannie Will unless Dame

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is like something catastrophic happens this season. You probably bought yourself another just two

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years, like the honest Will Sign
extension. You bought yourself another two years.

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And it's like that's tough stuff for
Miami because despite the reporting that's coming

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out, they very much acted like
a team this summer that knew they were

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going to get Damian Lillard. Yeah, because how do you let both gave

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Vincent and Max Drew's just walk.
I mean, like if you're going winners

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and losers for this, the Heat
are I mean, they may have well,

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maybe they get Drew Holiday, and
we're talking about this on the assumption

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that Holiday will not play for the
Blazers. I mean, I think that's

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a fair guess, right, Like
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are the Blazers really I guess if
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the Blazers really gonna now do business
with the Heat? That would be kind

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of a boss move to just trade
Drew for the Lillard package that you wouldn't

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accept, but just to get on
the Heat, like you're you're dead right,

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Like you lost two rotation guys that
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it would have been cool, or
it would have been okay if you'd gotten

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the guy you thought you were gonna
get in Lillard, and now you just

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don't have that guy. So like, I don't know, do we add

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Jimmy Butler to the list of like
our watch list of guys who are going

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to ask for a trade eventually?
Here? Like do we? Because like

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the Heat are just so much worse
and like, so for example, in

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our off season grades, I think
we gave them in completes, but they

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had like f's or d's or something
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right, and maybe this isn't it, maybe they end up with holiday or

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something else. But like they're so
much worse. And this wasn't even that

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good of a regular season team.
They just caught a heater in the playoffs.

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And so, I mean, the
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That's assuming they don't do anything else, which now it's like they certainly

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won't do anything else as consequential as
getting Dame would have been. So they

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talked themselves into Harden, I mean, and you could be on til who

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knows, like they could really go
anywhere. So I would like to ask

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you, and this might lead us
into a discussion about the Blazers, and

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I have we eventually have to talk
about the Raptors here. But if you

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were the like, forget the whole
and this is a we're gonna get into

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this Karen protest or Koran Pratip apologies
for butchering the pronunciation there. I want

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to know what the Blazers that I'm
getting for Drew, because my question to

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Grant right now is knowing what Miami's
best offer could have been. And let's

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assume it was somewhere in the middle. So if it was Tyler hero two

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first and two swaps as sort of
the baseline there, would you still have

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preferred what the Bucks gave you.
Where it's kind of shorting like, well,

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we're just betting that this whole Damian
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And because where I'm coming from,
the Heat threw their best offer on the

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table, which is, let's renegotiate
our pit commitment to Okay, see,

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we will promise you three first rounders. If that wasn't any way on the

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table, it does feel a little
bit and by the way, I would

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be all for this it does you
like this could be a little Games Mini

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where it's no fuck you guys,
We're done with this like whole thing.

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We're gonna send them to an offer
we deem comparable. And it does all

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come down to what they get for
Drew. But right now you have one,

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you have one guarantee first round pick, and if you're deciding we'd rather

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have that two swaps and one physical
first round pick from the Bucks versus let's

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say two picks and two swaps from
the Heat, I guess I kind of

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get it. But like the Heat, I think had the ability to just

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if they had included Heimie Hawkes and
Tyler Hero and then done everything to their

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picks, I think that's an offer
that probably beats this run. Again,

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it comes down to what they're gonna
get for Drew, because he's he is

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the best player out of all the
deals. We heard that they were physically

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going to a quite he's better than
o Gianna Nobi. I don't want to

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hear it like he's better than o
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So just where do you land on? I mean, it's it's tb

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D. But like initially, just
where do you sort of land on that,

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like the heat versus is this box
offer? Well, to be honest,

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like both of them feel kind of
underwhelming if you compare like the Bradley

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Bill return. I mean, these
are apples and orange because ownership is different

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and whatever, but like I'd rather
just get the Bradley Bill return if if

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I'm you know, if I'm the
Blazers, because like, you know,

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his contract is just as onerous as
Dames, and Dame is just better and

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and you know, it plays a
more important role on a team that like

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needs I don't know, it does
feel a little bit like the Blazers kind

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of just like you're saying decided,
like decided, like nah, you're like

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we're not sorry, You're you're gonna
have to be like you know, quarters

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of Magnitude. Sorry better Yeah,
sorry, not sorry. He You're gonna

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have to be the offer will have
to be absurd, and you're just like

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not equipped to make an absurd offer
for Dame. So maybe there's some of

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that, but like, yeah,
the Drew thing, you know, if

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you're thinking from the perspective of,
well, the Blazers didn't want hero so

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he was gonna have to go to
a third team and you know, maybe

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they get some other sets that way, Like you're gonna get more for holiday,

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I would, I would assume,
or at least like you can trade

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a lot of different under on a
combination of one point five first round picks

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and swaps. Day, are you
taking the over the under on that he

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is entering the final year of his
deal? He is, yeah, and

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you're gonna have to pay him.
But like, well, I don't know,

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that's a good you know, frame
that way, that's that's a good

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point. I don't know, that's
a great number. I guess I'd say

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probably over, but you maybe have
protections or something, and maybe one of

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those first would be fake, you
know, something like that. I think

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I'd be with you there the so
to to keep us moving the Raptors,

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well, hold on before we get
there, we gotta do. We didn't

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talk about the Suns because DeAndre Ayton
is in this trade. Oh no.

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I wanted to just get the Raptors
and Heat out of the way. So

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we having the Blazers and the Suns. The Raptors, everything that was reported

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made it seem like they were a
real threat everything that I've heard from people

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actually know stuff made it seem like
they were very real threat. If that

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is in fact the case, they
had the ability to beat this offer,

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do you think that they fucked up
here? Only if I'm trying to think,

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because well, I guess i'd maybe
answer your question with a question,

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if the Raptors beat this offer and
get Damian Lillard, are they championship contender

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or anything close to it? If
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which you were, they weren't going
to trade Siakam as part of that

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deal. They are not as lethal
as the Bucks are right now, I

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want to make that clear. You're
probably trading og. I think it does.

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I'm wondering if this says more about
their lack of confidence that Dame wouldn't

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have just come in played the role
of I want to be here given a

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fair shake, whereas the Bucks have
Yannis and that's just different than having Siakam

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and Scotty Barnes. But if it
came down to like pick protections, Yeah,

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like I get why you wouldn't trade
Scotty Barnes. I personally I love

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Scottie Barnes, But if you were
really into the window Og, Damian Lillard

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and Siakam and Peartle that that makes
you a capslock contender, Whereas if you

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go the opposite route, where it's
Scotty Barnes, Peartle, Siakam and Lillard,

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you're very much betting on well,
Scotty Barnes's leap is coming, and

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it's it's not coming fast, it's
coming now, it's here. I understand

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why you might not give up as
much as the Bucks, but like if

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it was, like what are the
rest? I just don't understand what the

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Raptors are doing. Like they have
these three guys that are headed for free

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agency as of right now, maybe
one of them Trents, probably not Og.

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Maybe like maybe they would sign an
extension, like you haven't really picked

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the you lost redband fleet just like
this would have I understand not overpaying,

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but like this is this is an
offer that they could have beaten while still

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keeping at least one two I would
say two of Og, Barnes and Siakam,

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and we know it was probably gonna
be Barnes and Siakam. So I

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get being lower on the Raptors with
Dame after the trade, But like the

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like, at least the Bucks were
a contender already, the Raptors are not

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that as currently constructed, And now
it's like, well, what are you

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waiting for? Or because even if
Scotty Barnes makes the leap, what is

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your pathway to title contention with this
core? It's oh, hey, we're

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probably gonna need to make a consolidation
trade, which by the way, gets

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a lot fucking harder if you're gonna
risk losing any of these guys in free

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agency. I my first thought is
that this suggests that the Raptors, if

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they do pick a direction, are
gonna like do a little bit of a

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teardown or maybe go for more of
a youth movement and kind of re orient

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the timeline a little younger, not
on Siakham's timeline. That makes that makes

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sense that you would pay Yakham peartle
then this summer, well, look again,

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I'm good up trying to understand Toronto, but yeah, yeah, I

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don't know. I'm trying to decide
if well, that's the thing is now

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that we have had so many instances
of all O Gianna and Obi is going

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to command a four first round pick
return and oh well, the Raptors are

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in on dame like anyone mentioned hard
another Raptors. Yeah, why not the

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team that does stuff that never makes
sense? That that would be the least

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sensible thing ever. Yeah, I
just yeah, right as that a problem.

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By the way, this is a
great comment from Karan pre App.

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But like if Raptors News seemed to
be a smoke screen, I would disagree

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with that. But massis On decide
on what he wants to do, I'd

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agree with that, and that's a
that's a problem. Yeah, yeah,

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no, I mean I'm trying to
decide if if I think I could get

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more as the Blazers for it O
g N and Obi uh, well though

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you probably wouldn't flip him, you'd
probably keep him, but like then you

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would you just paying a comment you
already gave Jeremy Grant, Like, hey,

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let's just pay both these guys.
And I'm no, I don't know

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that that's I'm tired of the Raptors, aren't you, Like I just really

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turned on the Raptors who used to
be in a bag for that team,

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and now it's just we were as
early as or as recent as last offseason.

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So I just I think them they
in Miami are clear losers here.

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I would probably argue that Miami is
a bigger loser because it does feel like

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00:25:48,079 --> 00:25:53,680
Toronto was very much consigned themselves on
purpose to this existential crisis. Miami just

402
00:25:53,759 --> 00:25:56,319
kind of operated like Dame was already
on their team. To me, yeah,

403
00:25:56,440 --> 00:26:00,720
Miami had Miami thought thought they had
it and then they didn't. Another

404
00:26:00,799 --> 00:26:07,119
loser. So I'm gonna try to
pivot us here. I've seen arguments in

405
00:26:07,200 --> 00:26:10,440
both directions on this. My first
thought was like, the Suns did not

406
00:26:10,480 --> 00:26:14,640
do well here and and there is
the depth argument, and that was like,

407
00:26:14,680 --> 00:26:18,599
oh, they got these you know
four Now it's three guys making thirty

408
00:26:18,640 --> 00:26:21,839
million plus and a bunch of minimums, Like how's that going to work?

409
00:26:22,440 --> 00:26:23,400
You know? And I guess,
like, just to go over it.

410
00:26:23,440 --> 00:26:26,720
I know you mentioned it up front, but I so the Suns end up

411
00:26:26,759 --> 00:26:30,880
with Yusef Nurkics, Nozz Little Keyan
Johnson, and Grayson Allen and like,

412
00:26:32,640 --> 00:26:37,119
yes, those are NBA players that
you have added, but how much better

413
00:26:37,160 --> 00:26:40,400
are those guys than Like how much
better is Nurkics than you Banks? For

414
00:26:40,440 --> 00:26:45,599
example? Like, and how much
better is defensively? He's not? And

415
00:26:45,640 --> 00:26:48,839
I think that's you've got to really
believe these guys are a lot better than

416
00:26:48,880 --> 00:26:53,640
the minimum players that Phoenix signed to
sort of and look there there are non

417
00:26:53,720 --> 00:26:56,559
bat like I think it's pretty fair
to say. And someone may have even

418
00:26:56,599 --> 00:27:02,440
mentioned this, like the Sun's just
the best players don't believe in DeAndre Hayden.

419
00:27:02,599 --> 00:27:04,920
That connection is broken and so maybe
that's a factor, But like this

420
00:27:06,000 --> 00:27:11,000
is a piddling return for DeAndre and
a guy that got his MAX a year

421
00:27:11,039 --> 00:27:15,359
ago. So I feel like the
Sun's if they feel like a loser to

422
00:27:15,400 --> 00:27:19,960
me because they gave up you know, a guy that is in Aten that

423
00:27:21,000 --> 00:27:23,880
at least like we still think is
a higher end starting center. Maybe that's

424
00:27:23,920 --> 00:27:27,200
not right, but they just didn't
get anyone that I feel like for sure

425
00:27:27,680 --> 00:27:32,119
moves the needle for them. What
do you think about that? I would

426
00:27:32,119 --> 00:27:36,119
agree with you. I just don't. Something must have been so missed behind

427
00:27:36,119 --> 00:27:40,079
the scenes with Deandret because he won. There was big regression on defense last

428
00:27:40,160 --> 00:27:41,359
year. I talked about this with
the Timeline guys, where I felt sometimes

429
00:27:41,400 --> 00:27:45,680
people were too cruel because I felt
like a lot was on his shoulders at

430
00:27:45,720 --> 00:27:48,440
points because of how much we kind
of saw CP three regress defensively and like

431
00:27:48,480 --> 00:27:52,279
what that did to sort of like
there, you know, from the outside

432
00:27:52,319 --> 00:27:56,319
in like sturdiness. That being said, DeAndre had three years and a one

433
00:27:56,359 --> 00:28:02,759
hundred and two million dollars left is
a pretty decided lead net negative asset right

434
00:28:02,799 --> 00:28:07,759
now, and breaking it up into
more digestible contracts. I'm not crazy about

435
00:28:07,799 --> 00:28:11,680
playing. I'm not thrilled about paying
use of nurk. It's three years and

436
00:28:11,759 --> 00:28:15,599
fifty four million. He's gonna be
more crafty on offense, where I think

437
00:28:15,920 --> 00:28:18,480
at this point in his career he's
probably more abrought into like I'll just screen

438
00:28:18,599 --> 00:28:21,920
make plays out of the short role. By the way, he has real

439
00:28:21,960 --> 00:28:25,039
three point volume two, so you
can play five out in a way that

440
00:28:25,079 --> 00:28:30,319
you couldn't with DeAndre Ayton. I
just feel like this compromises their defense a

441
00:28:30,319 --> 00:28:32,720
lot. Brian Kay says, to
see a little is a terrible defender.

442
00:28:32,720 --> 00:28:33,799
I disagree. When he's healthy,
I think that he's shown that he has

443
00:28:33,839 --> 00:28:37,200
some tools to do stuff on defense
on the glass, kind of bully his

444
00:28:37,240 --> 00:28:40,839
way. On offense, it wouldn't
surprise me if he played some reps at

445
00:28:40,920 --> 00:28:44,640
center. I do agree with you, though, that this doesn't feel like

446
00:28:44,640 --> 00:28:48,759
a great return. It's more to
me, it's more indicative of they were

447
00:28:48,960 --> 00:28:52,279
so out and it's like, well, what happened there? They were all

448
00:28:53,160 --> 00:28:59,039
into Frank Vogel kind of salvaging this
relationship, maybe reinventing or just reaching DeAndre

449
00:28:59,119 --> 00:29:02,200
Ayton on a more profound level than
it seems like he had tuned out.

450
00:29:02,200 --> 00:29:07,599
Monny Williams, what really happened there? Because they're I think they're I don't

451
00:29:07,599 --> 00:29:12,119
know if they're a worse basketball team. They're probably a much worse basketball team

452
00:29:12,160 --> 00:29:15,319
on defense now though, because as
much as DeAndre and regressed, like at

453
00:29:15,359 --> 00:29:21,039
least you understood what the peak concept
of him looked like on defense. We

454
00:29:21,200 --> 00:29:23,680
just saw it. And so yeah, Thomas Scott says, teams didn't one

455
00:29:23,680 --> 00:29:26,079
to eight, and I totally recognize
that, But this could have been one

456
00:29:26,079 --> 00:29:30,279
of those situations where it's, I'm
this guy's clearly the better player. Let's

457
00:29:30,319 --> 00:29:33,559
use Julius Randalls an analog to the
Knicks. He's clearly more valuable to the

458
00:29:33,599 --> 00:29:37,880
Knicks than any other team. Even
though Phoenix couldn't necessarily afford to be this

459
00:29:37,920 --> 00:29:41,000
top heavy moving forward, looking at
their defensive structure, it really feels like

460
00:29:41,799 --> 00:29:45,960
DeAndre was more important to them than
any other team, and so Portland,

461
00:29:47,039 --> 00:29:51,079
I guess when you look at what
they're sending Phoenix, like it kind of

462
00:29:51,079 --> 00:29:53,240
works out like that DeAndre Eton trade. It's just because it's looped into the

463
00:29:55,279 --> 00:29:59,720
Damian Lillard trade that it looks so
unimpressive. I get the flyer that they're

464
00:29:59,720 --> 00:30:03,240
taking on him. I just I'm
not in love with it for the Sun's

465
00:30:03,359 --> 00:30:04,839
either, you really, because like
what is Keyan Johnson? Is he even

466
00:30:04,880 --> 00:30:07,920
going to play for this team?
Grayson Allen? He will be better defensively

467
00:30:07,960 --> 00:30:11,960
than Landry Shammitt, maybe a more
consistent shooter at this point, But like

468
00:30:12,440 --> 00:30:19,519
you, I just I understand the
nader that DeAndre Aton's value both inside and

469
00:30:19,559 --> 00:30:22,440
outside the organization must have reached for
them to get to this point. I

470
00:30:22,519 --> 00:30:26,880
still just wonder, like, was
Devin Booker on the verge of putting him

471
00:30:26,880 --> 00:30:29,480
in a chokehold during practice? Right? Like? What was the need to

472
00:30:29,960 --> 00:30:33,400
If this was the return is what
I'm getting at, what would have could

473
00:30:33,440 --> 00:30:37,599
it actually been hurt by waiting?
Right? That's the thing, Like maybe

474
00:30:37,200 --> 00:30:41,640
you get into the season and like
the Suns go twelve and zero or something,

475
00:30:41,680 --> 00:30:45,000
and if they're just kicking everybody's ass
and like suddenly everybody's a little bit

476
00:30:45,039 --> 00:30:48,319
happier and maybe then, you know, maybe then you don't trade eight and

477
00:30:48,359 --> 00:30:52,400
at all. But it seems like
that's unrealistic because this suggests, this trade

478
00:30:52,440 --> 00:30:56,240
suggests the relationship was broken. But
maybe you wait till the deadline because I

479
00:30:56,319 --> 00:31:00,079
think like normally in this situation,
we would look the players that the Sun's

480
00:31:00,119 --> 00:31:03,599
got and say, well, look
good, they've got these middle class contracts.

481
00:31:03,640 --> 00:31:06,039
Now are like Nurkics is on the
higher end of that, Alan's on

482
00:31:06,039 --> 00:31:08,799
the kind of lower mid end of
that, and that's just easier to trade

483
00:31:08,799 --> 00:31:12,799
those guys. This is a move
to a move, but it's like teams

484
00:31:12,839 --> 00:31:17,519
that flip, you know, mid
price contracts tend to have sweeteners, and

485
00:31:17,559 --> 00:31:19,359
the Sun's just like, I don't
really have any. They got some seconds

486
00:31:19,400 --> 00:31:25,920
now that they sort of creatively you
know, conjured, but like they don't

487
00:31:25,920 --> 00:31:29,279
have first to attach. They don't
have like young up and coming guys to

488
00:31:29,359 --> 00:31:32,000
attach. They got minimums and they
got these mid tier guys. Now,

489
00:31:32,319 --> 00:31:34,480
it's not that easy to turn Nurkics
into someone that's going to help you,

490
00:31:34,480 --> 00:31:38,440
you know, in a meaningful way
in the playoffs. So I just want

491
00:31:38,440 --> 00:31:41,279
to I guess I just want to
flag that, like to anyone that's saying

492
00:31:41,559 --> 00:31:45,119
the Suns have depth, Now,
I think we both kind of liked their

493
00:31:45,160 --> 00:31:49,200
depth already, weirdly because they did
so well on the minimum market. But

494
00:31:49,519 --> 00:31:55,160
I I just it just leaves me
a little cold. The return here and

495
00:31:55,559 --> 00:31:56,920
again just circle all the way back. I think you're right. I think

496
00:31:56,920 --> 00:32:01,160
it indicates that like they're just isn't
a way forward with eighten anymore, which

497
00:32:01,160 --> 00:32:05,039
is wild because like they also got
rid of Monty Williams, so it's like

498
00:32:05,079 --> 00:32:08,440
we just got rid of both sides
of the conflict. Yeah, they actually

499
00:32:08,440 --> 00:32:13,720
got rid of all three thoughts of
the cough football apparently not because because if

500
00:32:13,880 --> 00:32:16,839
I mean, maybe Booker and Katie
and I don't know, did did Bradley

501
00:32:16,839 --> 00:32:20,440
Beale meet eight and once at the
practice facility? It's like, get this

502
00:32:20,519 --> 00:32:23,640
kind of fun out of here.
I don't understand, Like how Yeah,

503
00:32:23,720 --> 00:32:28,519
I don't know. So the Sun
side I'm not in love with, but

504
00:32:28,559 --> 00:32:30,799
I guess I could be proved wrong
if if you know, Alan shoots forty

505
00:32:30,799 --> 00:32:36,000
five percent on nothing but wide open
looks, which is totally plausible. There

506
00:32:36,000 --> 00:32:37,000
are ways for it to work,
but I'm not in love with it.

507
00:32:37,279 --> 00:32:40,079
You have. I should have looked
at what their roster count. I'll bring

508
00:32:40,200 --> 00:32:43,920
up now end up at at the
moment, but they probably have some fascinating

509
00:32:43,920 --> 00:32:46,799
decisions to make because I'm counting six
seven, eight, nine, ten,

510
00:32:46,920 --> 00:32:52,519
eleven, twelve, thirteen, fourteen, fifteen, sixteen, seventeen guys that

511
00:32:52,559 --> 00:32:54,400
they're gonna have, so you're gonna
have to cut that down. And I'm

512
00:32:54,440 --> 00:33:00,079
just wondering, like, is Keyon
Johnson really that long for Phoenix? Are

513
00:33:00,119 --> 00:33:01,720
they gonna get rid of I've been
getting rid of? I guess maybe do

514
00:33:01,759 --> 00:33:05,519
you trust anyone here? I was
gonna say you could get rid of Jordan

515
00:33:05,599 --> 00:33:08,880
Goodwin, would you trust anyone else? Is that like fourth ball handler?

516
00:33:08,920 --> 00:33:12,440
I don't really know what you want
any other guy on the roster that can

517
00:33:12,519 --> 00:33:15,559
dribble like Grayson Allen. I don't
think you want doing that. So they

518
00:33:15,599 --> 00:33:19,319
have some interesting roster decisions to make
now, too, because I don't think

519
00:33:19,319 --> 00:33:22,319
when push comes to shove one,
I think a lot of time has been

520
00:33:22,319 --> 00:33:24,880
spent on who's going to be their
fifth guy, fifth most important player.

521
00:33:25,720 --> 00:33:30,519
That obviously changes now like I do, but I don't know because the question

522
00:33:30,559 --> 00:33:35,680
is who's their fourth most important player, and maybe by default it's just Nurkics.

523
00:33:35,720 --> 00:33:37,599
Can he hold up on defense?
But like I would argue right now

524
00:33:37,640 --> 00:33:42,000
that you traded someone who probably would
have been in a lot of your closing

525
00:33:42,039 --> 00:33:45,920
lineups for nobody who's guaranteed a spot, And you're right, I wouldn't be

526
00:33:45,920 --> 00:33:49,000
surprised if we saw a Volvo just
go to like KD at the five.

527
00:33:49,119 --> 00:33:51,759
Is that maybe he was always gonna
do that, So maybe Eighton wasn't locked

528
00:33:51,759 --> 00:33:55,160
in that regard. But it's just
it's a very fascinating decision where it feels

529
00:33:55,160 --> 00:34:00,720
more about the non basketball side of
the business than out the actual basketball.

530
00:34:01,599 --> 00:34:05,920
Yeah, I think I agree.
We haven't really talked much about Portland's side

531
00:34:05,920 --> 00:34:08,920
of it, partly because it seems
unsettled because holidays seems very likely to be

532
00:34:08,960 --> 00:34:14,320
rerouted. But as you're just kind
of going through it, just you know,

533
00:34:14,400 --> 00:34:17,079
as as it stands, you got
Scooted, you got Holiday, you

534
00:34:17,159 --> 00:34:21,599
got Aunt Simon's, you got Shaden
Sharpe, you got Jeremy Grant, you

535
00:34:21,679 --> 00:34:25,280
got DeAndre Ayden. Is it wrong
that I'm like weirdly intrigued by that group,

536
00:34:25,519 --> 00:34:29,920
Like there's too many guards for one, but like all, it's not

537
00:34:30,000 --> 00:34:34,800
that bad. No, I think
it's just I think what's clear, and

538
00:34:34,840 --> 00:34:37,960
I'm sure to some extent, even
if Damian Lillard wanted to play for everybody

539
00:34:38,000 --> 00:34:42,519
that his contract would have been prohibitive
for some teams to where maybe they still

540
00:34:42,519 --> 00:34:45,039
acquire him, but they wouldn't be
willing to give up as much this return

541
00:34:45,599 --> 00:34:50,840
on the best player in franchise history
who's still in his prime. It's pretty

542
00:34:50,920 --> 00:34:55,800
unimpressive at the moment, and I
think again, very TBD Frondy Blazers fans

543
00:34:55,800 --> 00:34:59,159
that are listening, I do not
know what they're gonna get for Drew Holiday.

544
00:34:59,159 --> 00:35:01,119
We should probably talk out some teams
that would make a lot of sensement

545
00:35:01,239 --> 00:35:06,119
my Appey's probably one of them at
this point. But I'm just like,

546
00:35:06,719 --> 00:35:08,599
there's there's value in ripping off the
band aid. So like now date,

547
00:35:08,599 --> 00:35:12,559
you don't have to worry about Damien
Lordy coming to training camp starting off Scoot

548
00:35:13,000 --> 00:35:16,519
and Shaden's era on the wrong foot
together, you have that flyer on eighton,

549
00:35:16,599 --> 00:35:19,960
So I guess I think they treated
eight and like, hey, he

550
00:35:20,079 --> 00:35:22,320
might be an actual asset to us
down the line, almost as part of

551
00:35:22,320 --> 00:35:27,159
this, which maybe that's a little
incomplete. I just wouldn't bet in favor

552
00:35:27,199 --> 00:35:30,800
of it. I don't love this
for them, but it also makes me

553
00:35:30,840 --> 00:35:35,440
wonder, well, if they viewed
this as better or comparable to my Amy's

554
00:35:35,480 --> 00:35:39,000
offer, how bad was Miami's offer? Well, so, as I know,

555
00:35:39,039 --> 00:35:44,079
I've already said, like this underwhelms
me because of you know, what

556
00:35:44,079 --> 00:35:46,480
what the Wizards got for Beal or
you know even what you could say what

557
00:35:47,280 --> 00:35:51,440
the Nets got for Durant. But
like, let's just frame it this way,

558
00:35:51,480 --> 00:35:53,639
so like, yeah, Eton,
maybe Aton just you know, has

559
00:35:53,679 --> 00:35:57,719
a better second chapter with the Blazers. He's the number one overall pick.

560
00:35:58,000 --> 00:36:00,159
At least one team was willing to
maximate an other one matched it, so

561
00:36:00,280 --> 00:36:05,039
like he's not totally dead money.
But like you get holiday. Let's say

562
00:36:05,039 --> 00:36:07,480
you get two first for Holiday,
and you also have control of the Bucks

563
00:36:07,559 --> 00:36:12,199
draft in twenty eight, twenty nine, and thirty, Like that's a really

564
00:36:12,239 --> 00:36:16,079
good Like those three picks there could
be very good. Like that's that is

565
00:36:16,679 --> 00:36:21,159
you know, we talk about lottery
tickets all the time, but like if

566
00:36:21,159 --> 00:36:24,039
you get two first for Drew and
some more palatable salary, maybe you get

567
00:36:24,039 --> 00:36:28,559
a young player and one first or
something. I'm kind of starting to come

568
00:36:28,599 --> 00:36:31,159
around on the Portland return a little
bit. It's not it's underwhelming, but

569
00:36:31,199 --> 00:36:36,039
like, did you hear your point? Yeah, that heat offer never seemed

570
00:36:36,039 --> 00:36:39,400
all that great, and this is
proof that it never was right unless unless

571
00:36:39,400 --> 00:36:44,280
it is just totally a vindictive Blazers
move of like we're not trading, which

572
00:36:44,280 --> 00:36:46,079
you know what, I'll take that
into the reaction and say that they did

573
00:36:46,079 --> 00:36:52,679
a fantastic job here that I will. You did bring up an interesting point

574
00:36:52,840 --> 00:36:59,960
just because like we we have to
value that. We have to now analyze

575
00:37:00,039 --> 00:37:02,559
this is like okay, well Dame's
trade value just clearly like there weren't all

576
00:37:02,599 --> 00:37:07,880
these teams coming out of Woodwork willing
to trade for him while giving up anything

577
00:37:07,880 --> 00:37:10,719
close to a premium, knowing he
wanted in Miami, and so that has

578
00:37:10,760 --> 00:37:14,360
to be a part of the evaluation
as well. And so maybe the offers

579
00:37:14,360 --> 00:37:17,000
were just in a perfect world where
it's like let's say he was he wanted

580
00:37:17,000 --> 00:37:21,360
to go to Toronto, maybe Toronto
still wasn't willing to give up that much

581
00:37:21,400 --> 00:37:22,880
for him. And I think you
could look at it this way too,

582
00:37:23,719 --> 00:37:28,840
Who is gonna get you more in
a subsequent trade, is it Drew Holiday

583
00:37:28,920 --> 00:37:31,639
with a player option, Tyler Hero
with his extension kicking in, or ogi

584
00:37:31,760 --> 00:37:36,760
aa Nobi just Don with his player
options a flat out expiring contract because you

585
00:37:36,800 --> 00:37:39,119
know you're going to decline it.
I think it's reasonable to assume that of

586
00:37:39,159 --> 00:37:44,320
those three players, if you always
approached this by saying they were going to

587
00:37:44,360 --> 00:37:49,239
reroute some of the meat and potatoes
of this deal, to make the bet

588
00:37:49,239 --> 00:37:52,000
that Drew Holiday is going to get
you more as an individual trade asset than

589
00:37:52,000 --> 00:37:57,440
those other two guys is probably a
fair, if not accurate, one to

590
00:37:57,519 --> 00:37:59,840
make. And I wanted to say
this really quick. I threw it up

591
00:37:59,840 --> 00:38:04,880
on the screen before from Thomas Scott. That's probably why Miami Toronto we're out.

592
00:38:04,880 --> 00:38:07,039
They didn't want eight in a three
team trade. It just whole Phoenix

593
00:38:07,159 --> 00:38:12,159
like business that could have been done
if they traded with torontof they trade with

594
00:38:12,159 --> 00:38:15,280
Miami. Aton was never going to
one of those teams. Yeah, I

595
00:38:15,320 --> 00:38:19,719
want to get back to your Holiday
point because I think it is interesting because

596
00:38:19,719 --> 00:38:22,800
at least like and now I recognize
I'm saying this in the wake of a

597
00:38:22,800 --> 00:38:28,039
contending team trading Drew Holiday away,
but he's the only guy of those three,

598
00:38:28,320 --> 00:38:30,719
I think that a legit top tier
contender would say, oh my god,

599
00:38:30,760 --> 00:38:34,559
we'll give up, like you know, a young guy in some matching

600
00:38:34,559 --> 00:38:37,280
salary and a first to get him, because he might be the piece that

601
00:38:37,320 --> 00:38:39,559
we need. I'm trying, I'm
struggling to think of who that is.

602
00:38:39,639 --> 00:38:43,960
Maybe that's I don't know, we
could talk. Maybe we just pivot into

603
00:38:44,000 --> 00:38:50,199
holiday destinations because like he's the value
that is unlike og and unlike Hero.

604
00:38:50,400 --> 00:38:53,800
I think the money makes it tricky, because even with Hero's extension, that

605
00:38:54,079 --> 00:39:00,280
holiday's big dollar figure this year and
looming free agency complicates it. But like

606
00:39:00,440 --> 00:39:02,840
the Clippers, you know, maybe
heat, maybe that's a destination, the

607
00:39:02,920 --> 00:39:07,400
Sixers, the Raptors, the heat. The heat strike me as the most

608
00:39:07,400 --> 00:39:09,599
obvious, and that's assuming Portland will
pick up the phone at all, which

609
00:39:09,639 --> 00:39:13,239
maybe maybe it won't. Do you
still run into it, are usual,

610
00:39:13,239 --> 00:39:15,840
assuming Kyle Lowry, isn't that the
order, Like, don't you still need

611
00:39:15,880 --> 00:39:17,800
to pick up the phone then still
find like the subsequent Tyler Hero trade,

612
00:39:19,039 --> 00:39:22,760
Yeah, probably probably. I think
if Miami, if Miami does get in

613
00:39:22,840 --> 00:39:27,679
on holiday, maybe some other dominoes
need to fall because why it does Portland

614
00:39:27,800 --> 00:39:30,480
I mean, because Portland can't take
Lowry back and assume it can flip him.

615
00:39:30,559 --> 00:39:35,079
That's just like that's a buyout or
you know, the pick package coming

616
00:39:35,119 --> 00:39:37,360
back has to be so good and
Miami just can't quite get there. New

617
00:39:37,440 --> 00:39:42,360
Orleans from Thomas Scott would be doesn't
really check the shooting box, but they

618
00:39:42,360 --> 00:39:45,000
could use a floor dryer role.
But yeah, going back to Portland in

619
00:39:45,039 --> 00:39:50,400
that trade, I doubt you're trading
like Jonis and and stuff. Well that's

620
00:39:50,400 --> 00:39:52,519
the thing is like holiday again,
That's what I'm kind of I guess I'm

621
00:39:52,519 --> 00:39:55,880
in a roundabout way trying to say, is like there aren't unless you're a

622
00:39:55,880 --> 00:40:00,639
full rebuilder. There aren't a lot
of teams that would say we don't need

623
00:40:00,719 --> 00:40:05,239
a Drew Holiday or like he can't
help us right, Like the finances make

624
00:40:05,280 --> 00:40:08,400
it complicated and like trims off a
fair number of teams that just are not

625
00:40:08,519 --> 00:40:12,840
gonna want to be on the hook
for having to flip him or pay him

626
00:40:13,400 --> 00:40:17,519
along an extension or try to keep
him in free agency. But like he

627
00:40:17,679 --> 00:40:23,760
definitely like I'll put it this way, if he is playing against the Bucks

628
00:40:23,960 --> 00:40:28,559
in like a high leverage playoff series, it won't surprise me because those are

629
00:40:28,559 --> 00:40:30,800
the types of teams I think that
should be targeting him, and maybe Portland

630
00:40:30,800 --> 00:40:34,280
can really capitalize on that. I
don't know. Yeah, I mean,

631
00:40:34,559 --> 00:40:37,000
let's even talk about something you mentioned
the Clippers. That would be one disastrous

632
00:40:37,000 --> 00:40:44,920
for James Harden if where's he going
now, that's like expirings and if you

633
00:40:44,920 --> 00:40:47,840
can get a pick and a swap
in Terrence Man or even just maybe it's

634
00:40:47,840 --> 00:40:52,119
a pick in Terrence Man because they
can trade up to two first. I

635
00:40:52,119 --> 00:40:57,400
don't think they're trading two first for
Drew Holiday though. I mean you can

636
00:40:57,400 --> 00:41:00,400
make him fake you can, yeah, right, I think. I mean,

637
00:41:00,440 --> 00:41:02,199
but like if you can get some
combination they have two first, they

638
00:41:02,199 --> 00:41:06,440
can include a swap, and there's
Terrence Man. Even if kJ Martin might

639
00:41:06,480 --> 00:41:08,280
be interesting on this team, if
there's if you're getting like two or three

640
00:41:08,320 --> 00:41:14,239
of those assets plus the expirings that
they can offer, that gets interesting.

641
00:41:14,559 --> 00:41:17,039
I thought about if they weren't on
the Dame sweepstakes, just because he still

642
00:41:17,039 --> 00:41:20,400
makes so much money, I don't
think they'd be in on Drew, but

643
00:41:20,559 --> 00:41:22,719
Boston would make a lot of sense. They just need another playmaker. Maybe

644
00:41:22,760 --> 00:41:27,159
he's not. I would prefer them
to have been in on Dame rather than

645
00:41:27,199 --> 00:41:32,199
going after Drew. I've seen some
people mentioned like there should be something involved

646
00:41:32,199 --> 00:41:37,199
with like Philly should be interesting and
Drew as part of some sort of complex

647
00:41:37,239 --> 00:41:40,079
hard and trade. Maybe he's going
to the Clippers if you're getting Drew and

648
00:41:40,239 --> 00:41:45,559
like the Clippers pick as part of
that or something. Because then Drew's expiring,

649
00:41:45,599 --> 00:41:47,679
he fits through your cap space motif
for next season, assuming he declines

650
00:41:47,679 --> 00:41:51,519
his player option. I kind of
understand them, and like, what is

651
00:41:51,679 --> 00:41:55,119
who is sending what that Portland is
doing that deal, which makes it difficult.

652
00:41:57,840 --> 00:42:01,199
Do any other teams stand out to
you? I thought momentarily about he

653
00:42:01,239 --> 00:42:05,480
would be Chicago popped up for me
a little bit. I don't know if

654
00:42:05,519 --> 00:42:07,800
they would be a team like that
we have in the I threw it up

655
00:42:07,800 --> 00:42:10,760
there, Thomas Scotts at New Orleans, we went through that. Someone in

656
00:42:10,800 --> 00:42:14,280
the chat ram said Spurs need a
vet. I just can't. They're not

657
00:42:14,280 --> 00:42:17,679
gonna keep up assets to get That's
the type of team that I think,

658
00:42:17,760 --> 00:42:22,159
like again it yeah, he would. It would be great to have him

659
00:42:22,159 --> 00:42:24,800
there as as like the adult,
but the money is just like he can't,

660
00:42:25,079 --> 00:42:29,719
you can't in good conscience do that
if you're the Spurs, are you

661
00:42:29,760 --> 00:42:32,400
ready to anger a fan base?
I feel like I have would like Orlando

662
00:42:32,920 --> 00:42:38,000
think about it. Listen, you're
talking like you'll never convince me that Orlando's

663
00:42:38,000 --> 00:42:43,440
guards are good. So yes,
Orlando okay, and should definitely be in

664
00:42:43,519 --> 00:42:49,000
on Alliday. This might be our
longest standing disagreement. No, my list,

665
00:42:49,039 --> 00:42:51,679
I think just knee jerk. Was
Miami, the Clippers, Philly,

666
00:42:51,840 --> 00:42:54,400
Boston who you mentioned? That would
be fascinating? I don't know, how

667
00:42:54,400 --> 00:42:57,960
do you how do you get there
with Boston? Brogden's in it because he's

668
00:42:58,039 --> 00:43:01,360
upset, I guess apparently healthy though, which makes me like, so were

669
00:43:01,360 --> 00:43:06,159
the Clippers just like faking well?
I don't know. And in Toronto,

670
00:43:06,320 --> 00:43:09,199
so it's all the usual suspects and
ironically, I mean maybe or surprisingly,

671
00:43:09,199 --> 00:43:13,760
four of the five that I like
as logical holiday destinations are still in the

672
00:43:13,760 --> 00:43:17,719
East. So this is gonna contribute
to my prognostication that Holiday will see the

673
00:43:17,719 --> 00:43:22,280
Bucks in a playoff series. Boston's
tough because now one, the Blazers probably

674
00:43:22,280 --> 00:43:24,719
don't have interest in r W three
just because they have eight, and I

675
00:43:24,760 --> 00:43:29,079
don't think you trade r W three
for Drew I get it if you were

676
00:43:29,079 --> 00:43:31,639
going brogged in and him for Dame. So it's tough to get there for

677
00:43:31,719 --> 00:43:35,480
Boston, do you know what would
be the out there team? And like

678
00:43:35,519 --> 00:43:37,480
they have a ton of guards already, but they don't have a guard who

679
00:43:37,519 --> 00:43:42,039
can do this stuff. If Utah
was just like, hey, we've got

680
00:43:42,039 --> 00:43:45,920
all these like you want to like
kind of just flimsy first rounders and we're

681
00:43:45,920 --> 00:43:49,280
gonna like figure out the salary stuff, he'd be really good there. They

682
00:43:49,320 --> 00:43:52,639
again, they have guards, but
like Drew Holiday would probably immediately become their

683
00:43:52,639 --> 00:43:55,400
best passer anyway. Yeah, yeah, no, I think yeah. I

684
00:43:55,440 --> 00:44:01,280
mean that's the doesta is Utah interest
though in like are we going for it?

685
00:44:01,280 --> 00:44:05,960
It doesn't it feels like Utah would
be content with like another Well I

686
00:44:05,960 --> 00:44:08,000
don't know. Jazz fans will probably
disagree, but like, I don't think

687
00:44:08,079 --> 00:44:10,440
Utah is like in position to make
some kind of leap this year. I

688
00:44:10,480 --> 00:44:13,960
think their win total is going to
be in the thirties and with Holiday it's

689
00:44:14,000 --> 00:44:16,719
maybe in the forties. And you're
a first round out or something like,

690
00:44:17,760 --> 00:44:22,239
and then you lose him or you
have to overpay him, like that's that's

691
00:44:22,320 --> 00:44:24,360
that's tough. It's got to be
an East contender. I don't know why

692
00:44:24,400 --> 00:44:29,079
I keep circling back to that,
or Tonso might become, you know,

693
00:44:29,119 --> 00:44:32,320
a bigger threat with him, Thomas
Scott's Memphis or Minnesota could work. Memphis

694
00:44:32,360 --> 00:44:36,760
with John Marcus Smart, I don't
really think that's a good fit. And

695
00:44:36,800 --> 00:44:38,960
they're like, I guess would Smart
be part of that deal once he could

696
00:44:38,960 --> 00:44:44,000
be aggregated again? So I don't
love them. Minnesota's interesting. He would

697
00:44:44,000 --> 00:44:49,440
definitely be a defensive upgrade from Mike
Conley, but you would be worth all

698
00:44:49,639 --> 00:44:53,480
probably shooting and who's going back to
Portland and that well, I mean like

699
00:44:53,519 --> 00:44:57,920
it's another like Mike Conley's probably involved
in that trade and you're figuring out stuff

700
00:44:57,920 --> 00:44:59,760
from there. So I don't love
that either. I'm probably with you that

701
00:44:59,800 --> 00:45:02,679
In needs to be in East contender. It's way too as we just went

702
00:45:02,719 --> 00:45:07,360
through complicated for Boston to get there, or a team that just fits like

703
00:45:07,199 --> 00:45:10,239
like I mean, India does not
need guards. I just what is the

704
00:45:12,000 --> 00:45:14,840
I'm just like, what is the
look for Miami? Like, what is

705
00:45:14,880 --> 00:45:16,920
that trade? I guess getting to
the salaries fairly easy, but if it's

706
00:45:17,960 --> 00:45:22,719
basically right, what are the optics
of Hey, this package couldn't get us

707
00:45:22,800 --> 00:45:25,159
David Millar, but we're gonna go
out and just get one of the players

708
00:45:25,199 --> 00:45:30,280
that he was traded for. So
is there really good I'm just trying to

709
00:45:30,320 --> 00:45:31,440
think of, like, what's a
team that would I would love him in

710
00:45:31,559 --> 00:45:37,480
Orlando. This will be very unpopular
and Sam Presti already came out and said

711
00:45:37,480 --> 00:45:39,119
fuck you to everybody who was calling
for the Thundery trade or something. But

712
00:45:39,559 --> 00:45:43,840
you could. I would love to
see Drew in Okay, see with Chet

713
00:45:43,960 --> 00:45:46,440
Sga and Jalen Williams. I like
Josh Giddy too, and I think you

714
00:45:46,480 --> 00:45:51,000
could. This is Drew as someone
you could get without giving up any of

715
00:45:51,039 --> 00:45:53,320
your prime time assets. Yeah,
but you have Davis Berton's and some of

716
00:45:53,360 --> 00:45:57,440
the salary questions there that's in the
West. I don't spot. I know.

717
00:45:57,719 --> 00:46:00,440
I just I know you've called like
Toronto and Miami kind of obvious.

718
00:46:00,719 --> 00:46:04,559
I just don't know. I guess
they are obvious, but I don't know

719
00:46:04,599 --> 00:46:07,800
if they're obvious because it just I
don't know what the packages all of a

720
00:46:07,840 --> 00:46:10,320
sudden look like for them. Would
you give up Og for Drew? You

721
00:46:10,400 --> 00:46:15,320
probably wouldn't. If you're Toronto,
right, oh man, that yeah,

722
00:46:15,400 --> 00:46:19,320
I don't think so, because I
don't. I mean, he does feel

723
00:46:19,360 --> 00:46:23,480
a pretty significant need there with Van
Vleet gone, and like our Dennis Schroeder

724
00:46:23,559 --> 00:46:27,800
is gonna be the starting point guard
presumably right. I guess maybe Scotty Barnes

725
00:46:27,880 --> 00:46:30,239
is going to do a lot of
your ball handling. But just looking down

726
00:46:30,239 --> 00:46:34,440
the list, like, are the
Knicks someone we should talk about? Is

727
00:46:34,480 --> 00:46:37,519
there anything there? I mean,
so this will be wildly unpopular among the

728
00:46:37,599 --> 00:46:40,960
Knicks fans as well. I actually
would love Drew Holiday because like he can

729
00:46:42,039 --> 00:46:45,599
check wings. Look, you've already
leaned into the Hey, everybody's undersized model,

730
00:46:45,760 --> 00:46:49,519
like all our wings are under size. It's hepar j Barrett. I

731
00:46:49,639 --> 00:46:53,440
just if it's just I'm laughing Cleveland
to back up Mitchell from Thomas Scott.

732
00:46:53,480 --> 00:46:57,320
I mean, they got Garland and
Mitchell. Let's I mean, what are

733
00:46:57,360 --> 00:47:00,480
they trading Jared Allen and stuff?
I don't even know if they get to

734
00:47:00,519 --> 00:47:05,519
the salary without including Mobli or than
one of you got. And again,

735
00:47:05,639 --> 00:47:08,079
Portland has eighten now, so you're
hard pressed to believe they're gonna trade for

736
00:47:08,079 --> 00:47:10,599
another young center. But I don't
know, Man, the Knicks. Like

737
00:47:10,840 --> 00:47:15,480
I'm gonna tell you right now,
I'm still semi hopeful for RJ. Barrett.

738
00:47:15,519 --> 00:47:22,000
But if it's like Fourier and Barrett
and that's just gonna get you Drew

739
00:47:22,039 --> 00:47:25,519
Holiday and maybe you have to give
up like one of the picks that were

740
00:47:25,519 --> 00:47:30,039
maybe it's super heavily protected, I
would probably do it. You are very

741
00:47:30,079 --> 00:47:34,760
small then, and like you have
Josh Hart, dont Devencenzo, Drew Holiday,

742
00:47:35,000 --> 00:47:37,800
Jalen Brunson on the same team.
I would look at it. I

743
00:47:37,840 --> 00:47:42,039
would like it's it's kind of you
get out of the RJ. Barrett deal.

744
00:47:42,079 --> 00:47:44,760
Maybe you're not feeling super confident again. I think RJ. Barrett could

745
00:47:44,800 --> 00:47:47,039
be good. He's just not worth
catering your team around. And I think

746
00:47:47,199 --> 00:47:50,599
he very much needs to be in
a situation that might be more prepared to

747
00:47:50,639 --> 00:47:52,760
do that. And the next time, I just want to allow that if

748
00:47:52,760 --> 00:47:57,800
there was a trade where you could
like Julius Randalls involved in there, and

749
00:47:57,800 --> 00:48:00,840
it's Julius Randall on picks, maybe
that makes some sense. I mean,

750
00:48:00,920 --> 00:48:05,400
Julius Rando was better than Drew last
year. Definitely offensively he was better than

751
00:48:05,480 --> 00:48:08,599
Drew, So there's that to factor
in They're not an obvious team. But

752
00:48:08,639 --> 00:48:12,239
if I'm the Knicks, just because
of what it probably would have cost it

753
00:48:12,280 --> 00:48:15,880
to get Dame Drew Holiday, probably
would intrigue me more than a Damian Lillard

754
00:48:15,920 --> 00:48:20,440
trade would. Again, just because
the opportunity costs. That's a that's a

755
00:48:20,440 --> 00:48:22,519
good I just I'm coming back to, like, if you would to pick

756
00:48:22,559 --> 00:48:27,280
one team where like you want them
to go out and make a play for

757
00:48:27,360 --> 00:48:30,719
Drew Holiday, who is it?
It's realistic, It's Miami. It's got

758
00:48:30,719 --> 00:48:34,800
to be a Rando for me.
I just don't. I guess I'm not

759
00:48:34,880 --> 00:48:37,559
in love. I guess it would
be really good in Miami. But it's

760
00:48:37,559 --> 00:48:42,239
more than like Miami has like no
recourse. Now, I'm like, mam,

761
00:48:42,239 --> 00:48:45,440
he just has to has to come
out of this offseason with something to

762
00:48:45,559 --> 00:48:49,840
show for it. So yeah,
Brian, chance you think the Bucks tampered.

763
00:48:49,880 --> 00:48:52,400
I think everybody tampers. Like that's
if the Bucks hadn't tampered. Oh,

764
00:48:52,440 --> 00:48:55,239
by the way, did you see
this video that everybody's dredging up?

765
00:48:55,280 --> 00:48:59,039
Now? The All Star Draft,
when you're honest, makes Lillard the first

766
00:48:59,039 --> 00:49:01,880
pick, and it makes him his
first pick and Lebron like kind of gives

767
00:49:01,960 --> 00:49:05,280
him some side. I like,
I see what you're doing because he picked

768
00:49:05,320 --> 00:49:08,639
him over holiday. So that's fun. I mean it's nothing, Dan,

769
00:49:08,760 --> 00:49:13,360
honestly, but it's fun. I
will say, yeah, every team tampers.

770
00:49:13,400 --> 00:49:16,039
And here's the big question. Do
you think Milwaukee tampered more than Miami

771
00:49:16,199 --> 00:49:20,960
did? Absolutely not, No,
no chance. Uh, okay, one

772
00:49:20,960 --> 00:49:22,360
more, just because I want to
see what she'll say. What about the

773
00:49:22,440 --> 00:49:25,440
Kings. There's a team that needs
someone that can guard someone. Can you

774
00:49:25,480 --> 00:49:30,239
get there with like you probably gotta
have Keegan Murray in the deal, and

775
00:49:30,239 --> 00:49:32,760
that might be just a just we're
done talking for a lot of kids fans,

776
00:49:32,760 --> 00:49:37,519
But you could get there with you
know, with you pick the salary,

777
00:49:37,679 --> 00:49:43,280
Hurder Monk Barnes. I don't know
if you can trade Barnes. You

778
00:49:43,280 --> 00:49:45,199
can't trade Barnes right now and get
into the salary, so it would be

779
00:49:45,639 --> 00:49:51,000
Hurder and Davion Mitchell get you too. That's like twenty one million. That's

780
00:49:51,039 --> 00:49:53,480
just not I don't think they have
the because they're not trading Domas, who

781
00:49:53,519 --> 00:49:57,760
was just negotiate an extending a Fox. Correct, you can't trade Barnes.

782
00:49:57,800 --> 00:50:02,000
I don't think they're getting there.
Hey, Hey, Hey, don't don't

783
00:50:02,079 --> 00:50:06,960
laugh, don't hate on it.
Warriors have that CP three contract flow,

784
00:50:07,400 --> 00:50:09,880
they could maybe look at that.
Would you come off the bench or he

785
00:50:09,880 --> 00:50:14,519
would actually make I would I would
start him if he wanted to start,

786
00:50:14,559 --> 00:50:17,599
just because that lineup would still make
more sense than CP three. You're starting

787
00:50:17,599 --> 00:50:22,239
five, I think could maybe if
you're the Warriors, you make the call.

788
00:50:22,480 --> 00:50:24,480
I think it's that it's that interesting
because if you could do it,

789
00:50:25,119 --> 00:50:29,199
well, I don't know what you're
throwing in right, Like maybe do you

790
00:50:29,239 --> 00:50:32,800
have to include the Warriors are pretty
encumbered pick wise, really not too badly

791
00:50:32,840 --> 00:50:39,000
you could do well, why does
but then would you holiday, uh oh

792
00:50:39,199 --> 00:50:44,679
yeah, probably who? But then
Portland's just flipping Paul though. Think if

793
00:50:44,719 --> 00:50:45,840
it from the Blazer side, it's
like, okay, so cool, we

794
00:50:45,960 --> 00:50:49,880
got another aging point guard that we
have to find a home for. If

795
00:50:50,000 --> 00:50:52,760
if it came me tack to a
pick in cominga, I don't think the

796
00:50:52,800 --> 00:50:55,239
Warriors would do it quite frankly,
they maybe they should. Well, you

797
00:50:55,280 --> 00:50:58,519
gotta get to how do you get
the money, how do you how are

798
00:50:58,519 --> 00:51:00,679
we getting there? Well, it
just takes me just like that might be

799
00:51:01,000 --> 00:51:06,639
Paul cominga and a pick is probably
too much. Paul is at thirty point

800
00:51:06,639 --> 00:51:09,000
eight, So Paul and cominga just
immediately get you to Drew Holidays salary.

801
00:51:09,199 --> 00:51:15,880
Maybe it's moody and Paul and a
poor and a pick. I don't know.

802
00:51:15,960 --> 00:51:17,639
I don't know. I mean definitely, like I don't know that it

803
00:51:17,719 --> 00:51:22,159
totally would eliminate all of the well, who's going to start questions for the

804
00:51:22,199 --> 00:51:24,679
Warriors, because like, clearly Paul
should come off the bench. It's like

805
00:51:24,960 --> 00:51:29,679
everyone's saying all the right things.
All the coaching staff and the front office

806
00:51:29,719 --> 00:51:31,159
is saying, we're gonna check it
out. We're gonna spend all of camp

807
00:51:31,719 --> 00:51:36,239
looking and seeing what the best lineups
are where everyone like if you hook them

808
00:51:36,320 --> 00:51:37,599
up to a polygraph would say like, yeah, of course Chris Paul should

809
00:51:37,679 --> 00:51:40,800
run the second unit. That's like
a no brainer. You can't take Looney

810
00:51:40,840 --> 00:51:44,079
out of the first unit. You're
not going to take Clay out of it.

811
00:51:44,400 --> 00:51:47,400
Everybody else is just like non negotiable. But Holiday doesn't. I mean,

812
00:51:47,400 --> 00:51:51,079
Holiday kind of creates the same issues, like who are you benching if

813
00:51:51,079 --> 00:51:55,239
Holiday is there instead of Paul?
Is the calculus any different? M I

814
00:51:55,239 --> 00:51:58,800
don't think it is. No except
for the fact that because of what Holiday

815
00:51:58,800 --> 00:52:02,320
does defensively, it's probably just easier
to say we don't like if he needs

816
00:52:02,320 --> 00:52:05,760
to start, he'll start, that's
fine, Yeah, yeah right, he

817
00:52:05,840 --> 00:52:07,280
and he would be more likely to
close than Paul. I think too,

818
00:52:07,360 --> 00:52:10,800
if you do take Looney off the
floor or like, I don't know,

819
00:52:10,840 --> 00:52:14,880
it's it's the Warrior starting five is
so set that like it'd be hard to

820
00:52:14,920 --> 00:52:16,960
come up with someone that you definitely
like, yeah, sorry, Clay where

821
00:52:17,480 --> 00:52:22,960
even though Thompson like definitely is someone
that you could bring off the bench based

822
00:52:22,000 --> 00:52:28,760
on his like his I wonder if
Holliday is like ego list enough to where

823
00:52:28,800 --> 00:52:31,440
I think you could maybe sell him
on like is he coup or is he

824
00:52:31,559 --> 00:52:36,559
just like is he starting? And
then you're just going to staggered units very

825
00:52:36,639 --> 00:52:40,559
quickly because I don't think you're paying
cavad money bench guy money. Yeah,

826
00:52:40,679 --> 00:52:45,039
but he's more than bench guy important, especially since they're just not going to

827
00:52:45,119 --> 00:52:47,360
sign another Could you play matchups?
Like could you sell Holiday on that?

828
00:52:49,119 --> 00:52:55,079
Yeah? I think I think where
it's like the Warriors kind of saved CP

829
00:52:55,199 --> 00:53:00,679
three from Basketball Siberia at this point, but if he's like really wants to

830
00:53:00,679 --> 00:53:02,360
start, they don't want to be
like, well, we're gonna send you

831
00:53:02,400 --> 00:53:06,480
another rebuilding team, then you go
and figure it out. Well, that's

832
00:53:06,480 --> 00:53:08,679
the thing is, like Paul would
be on like five teams this offseason if

833
00:53:08,679 --> 00:53:12,679
this happens, because the Blazers would
not keep him, they would have to

834
00:53:12,679 --> 00:53:15,239
trade him someplace else. I just
I don't know. Yeah, we're clearly

835
00:53:15,360 --> 00:53:19,000
running out of teams. If we're
I have I have a team actually that

836
00:53:19,039 --> 00:53:21,880
we haven't spoke about, and I'm
wondering if we should. What about the

837
00:53:21,960 --> 00:53:29,320
Nets? Yeah, really are short
on ball handlers. Yeah, and they

838
00:53:29,400 --> 00:53:30,760
might be willing to pay him too. I don't know. I mean,

839
00:53:30,800 --> 00:53:35,079
that's I don't know why that doesn't
jump out as like a real, like

840
00:53:35,159 --> 00:53:37,760
no brainer fit, because maybe if
you don't buy like I do, that

841
00:53:37,960 --> 00:53:43,119
they're kind of like, but it's
more justifiable. They're in the middle of

842
00:53:43,280 --> 00:53:47,360
it's not an existential crisis, but
it's like an existential search. But I

843
00:53:47,440 --> 00:53:50,519
just because they don't I don't think
they know what they are. They don't

844
00:53:50,519 --> 00:53:52,639
really know how good they're going to
be with this. Mcal Bridges, Nick

845
00:53:52,719 --> 00:53:55,599
Klaxton, Core, I mean,
Drew Holiday comes in and they look,

846
00:53:55,679 --> 00:53:59,199
you know, they have Cam Johnson. If I'm assuming you would have to

847
00:53:59,239 --> 00:54:01,400
keep him as part of that deal, maybe getting to the money is tough.

848
00:54:01,400 --> 00:54:04,480
I've not looked at I mean,
if they're I don't know the Blazers

849
00:54:04,480 --> 00:54:07,840
will take back Ben Simmons just because
his contract only has two years left.

850
00:54:08,280 --> 00:54:10,920
But you do have Spencer Dinwoody that
you could step out of your way there

851
00:54:10,960 --> 00:54:16,159
and Royce O'Neill. I just if
you're trying to be competitive, and I

852
00:54:16,159 --> 00:54:20,320
don't want to say in the middle, but like if you're trying to follow

853
00:54:20,320 --> 00:54:22,599
that route, holiday feels like,
yeah, Dame is too much because of

854
00:54:22,599 --> 00:54:25,239
how many years he has left and
probably what the Blazers wanted, but it

855
00:54:25,320 --> 00:54:30,280
is holidaying in between because he's basically
functionally an expiring contract. Yeah. No,

856
00:54:30,400 --> 00:54:34,760
that's that's an interesting one. I
don't have a lot else do you

857
00:54:34,800 --> 00:54:37,000
want? Can I can you just
give me a holiday of the Celtics Brian

858
00:54:37,079 --> 00:54:42,639
Chance? Yeah, it's trickery.
It would you trade if you're the Celtics

859
00:54:42,639 --> 00:54:45,599
and let's just say, because honestly
r W three had a better season than

860
00:54:45,639 --> 00:54:50,320
Beyond Rayton last year. If you're
let's just say, there's other teams involved.

861
00:54:50,360 --> 00:54:53,760
But if you are the Celtics.
Would you even consider Brogden in RW

862
00:54:54,079 --> 00:55:01,880
three four Drew Holiday progdon at RW
three for Holiday, I mean, I

863
00:55:01,920 --> 00:55:05,960
think I would consider it for sure. I'm trying to decide if, like

864
00:55:06,000 --> 00:55:08,679
that's a definite go for the Celtics, because it does. I don't think

865
00:55:08,719 --> 00:55:12,239
it's definite. No, I don't
think so either. I think it's somewhere

866
00:55:12,280 --> 00:55:16,519
between. I'd consider it and fall
short of a definite go. But like,

867
00:55:17,320 --> 00:55:21,480
well you you we started this out, Well you you in your opinion,

868
00:55:21,639 --> 00:55:24,800
and don't correct me if I'm wrong. The Lillard acquisition makes the books

869
00:55:24,840 --> 00:55:30,000
prohibitive favorites in the East. Do
you think who I mean the team?

870
00:55:30,679 --> 00:55:32,679
The other team? The Celtics.
First of all, Cleveland's the other team,

871
00:55:32,679 --> 00:55:36,840
bossing and kiss my ass. That's
a hot take. You gotta say

872
00:55:36,880 --> 00:55:39,519
that. I don't mean Boston's gonna
be really good. That was like super

873
00:55:39,920 --> 00:55:46,440
over aggressive Bill Simmons Podcast of Me. I apologize, but they took just

874
00:55:46,519 --> 00:55:52,079
a monumental risk this offseason. They
aren't a playmaking deficit compared to last season.

875
00:55:52,360 --> 00:55:55,079
They are not as defensively versatile.
They are more injury prone, just

876
00:55:55,119 --> 00:55:59,840
because look at your front line Horford's
getting older, he's your most reliable guy

877
00:56:00,159 --> 00:56:05,079
between RW three and Chris Stops.
Where is the okay you could play Peyton,

878
00:56:05,119 --> 00:56:07,679
Pritchard Moore. Maybe Malcolm Brodden's healthy. That's great, Like Malcolm brod

879
00:56:07,679 --> 00:56:12,519
didn't didn't give you enough playmaking to
begin with. I'm open to the idea

880
00:56:12,599 --> 00:56:15,519
that Marcus Smart was on the decline
and it made sense to move him.

881
00:56:15,559 --> 00:56:19,000
I just don't know if this direction
that they just aside they have to play

882
00:56:19,000 --> 00:56:22,599
two bigs at all times now,
and what if my honestly, I'm wondering

883
00:56:22,679 --> 00:56:27,639
Al Horford in r W three might
still be their most effective high ceiling two

884
00:56:27,639 --> 00:56:31,920
big lineup. I don't mean to
disparage what Chris Stops did last year,

885
00:56:32,199 --> 00:56:37,119
but it was last year. He
was never that healthy since like his one

886
00:56:37,119 --> 00:56:39,199
of his early seasons in New York, he was hitting these like turnarounds and

887
00:56:39,239 --> 00:56:44,519
fall aways and making these passes that
we've really never seen before. I'm open

888
00:56:44,599 --> 00:56:47,039
again to the idea that he's gotten
better. That Washington Wizards team was also

889
00:56:47,159 --> 00:56:52,719
ass like, so he's gonna have
to play a more streamlined role regardless.

890
00:56:52,199 --> 00:56:55,239
I just and it's still I want
to make clear, still wouldn't be a

891
00:56:55,280 --> 00:56:58,840
no brainer to say, hey,
this package, let's go get Drew because

892
00:56:59,119 --> 00:57:02,519
now you're even you're thinner than you're
consolidating and then it's okay, well we

893
00:57:02,599 --> 00:57:07,719
have Horford and Christops porzingis how much
like are we too thin now on the

894
00:57:07,719 --> 00:57:10,760
front line with collective availability? And
I'm just assuming all Horford won't be able

895
00:57:10,800 --> 00:57:15,800
to play as many minutes because he's
getting older. So but I think the

896
00:57:15,840 --> 00:57:19,440
team right now, this is sorry
to detour us all the way here is

897
00:57:19,960 --> 00:57:22,920
I would have Milwaukee is the clear
one and the team that I'd be most

898
00:57:22,960 --> 00:57:29,280
threatened by is Cleveland right now.
Yeah, I mean that's that's totally different.

899
00:57:29,280 --> 00:57:31,639
I just think I think the Celtics
I co sign all of the like

900
00:57:31,719 --> 00:57:35,880
the Celtics look a massive risk.
I do think their ceiling is higher than

901
00:57:35,920 --> 00:57:38,679
it was last year, but the
floor so I'm honestly why, you know,

902
00:57:38,840 --> 00:57:42,880
I think I think a couple of
reasons. One, I think Smart

903
00:57:42,920 --> 00:57:47,039
was in pretty clear decline, and
I think he is sort of less important

904
00:57:47,119 --> 00:57:51,039
on a team with a bunch of
bigs that can defend the rim, you

905
00:57:51,079 --> 00:57:52,480
know, which is what this version
of the Celtics is. I think the

906
00:57:52,480 --> 00:57:58,639
Celtics got hurt when teams would switch
and Porzingis can just punish small guys in

907
00:57:58,679 --> 00:58:00,159
the post. It gives them,
It gives us more opens to go to

908
00:58:00,320 --> 00:58:05,599
on offense, which like we've belabored
this, you know, we've beaten this

909
00:58:05,639 --> 00:58:09,920
into the ground. When the Celtics
struggle their offense, like just the you

910
00:58:09,920 --> 00:58:13,760
know, the works get gummed up
and things just don't happen. Porzingis is

911
00:58:13,800 --> 00:58:15,599
like a guy that can well he's
gonna be able to shoot over somebody,

912
00:58:15,679 --> 00:58:19,599
or he's gonna pull a big out
of the middle. They're just like he

913
00:58:19,719 --> 00:58:22,519
just opens the offense up. And
since I viewed that as their biggest problem

914
00:58:22,639 --> 00:58:27,880
in you know, their stalled playoff
runs, I can see the vision of

915
00:58:27,920 --> 00:58:31,599
like, this is how we maybe
and the risks are immense and you've listened

916
00:58:31,599 --> 00:58:36,760
to them, and I agree,
this is maybe how we hit that highest

917
00:58:36,760 --> 00:58:39,480
possible level of our team. But
yeah, no, I just think I

918
00:58:39,519 --> 00:58:43,599
think anyone who says the Celtics are
like, oh, they're definitely the best

919
00:58:43,599 --> 00:58:46,960
team they had they won the offseason, like that's that's too much for me,

920
00:58:47,679 --> 00:58:51,320
But yeah, we're way off the
track. If this clearly ends with

921
00:58:51,599 --> 00:58:54,840
James Harden going to the Clippers,
Drew Holiday going to the Sixers, the

922
00:58:54,920 --> 00:59:00,000
heat just like packing it in and
deciding they're not going to be an NBA

923
00:59:00,079 --> 00:59:04,960
franchise anymore, and the Blazers getting
who knows what like fourteen megatrade is the

924
00:59:04,960 --> 00:59:07,880
only way this gets resolved. We're
gonna pivot to the well, like basically

925
00:59:07,920 --> 00:59:13,599
the TikTok YouTube segment that is now
unnamed because Grant pointed out that Garbage Time

926
00:59:13,639 --> 00:59:15,880
was a Katie Nolan show and we
don't want to go out that title.

927
00:59:15,920 --> 00:59:20,199
We gotta but its good name.
Ideas for that send them our way,

928
00:59:20,280 --> 00:59:22,519
Discord, YouTube comments, whatever,
Twitter, you know, the socials.

929
00:59:23,000 --> 00:59:28,000
I guess my final question here would
be is there a chance? And we're

930
00:59:28,000 --> 00:59:30,480
gonna get into big picture questions That's
what that segment is gonna be. I'm

931
00:59:30,480 --> 00:59:34,039
excited to bend Grant's brain with what
I have in my notes. Is there

932
00:59:34,039 --> 00:59:38,920
like a chance if you're the Blazers
that you sit on Drew Holiday for because

933
00:59:38,960 --> 00:59:42,679
I know the reporting was oh immediately, but like there could just be a

934
00:59:42,719 --> 00:59:46,000
team that comes out of the woodwork
and is either better than they expected or

935
00:59:46,039 --> 00:59:50,159
an injury crops up that they know
that they need. Like, what if,

936
00:59:50,440 --> 00:59:52,679
just as an example, because someone
mentioned the Spurs in the chat,

937
00:59:52,719 --> 00:59:55,960
what if it's just Wenby's too good, Devin Vassell's too good. The Spurs

938
00:59:55,960 --> 01:00:01,239
are like, you know, like
play and worthy and it's like January.

939
01:00:01,559 --> 01:00:06,119
So if you're the Blazers, do
you think there's a chance Because we mentioned

940
01:00:06,159 --> 01:00:08,440
teams, but like, I don't
know, you mentioned Miami's an obvious fit.

941
01:00:08,800 --> 01:00:10,480
I don't. I don't see the
team out there that I'm like,

942
01:00:10,519 --> 01:00:13,760
you know what, They're gonna give
up two first round picks for the equipment

943
01:00:13,800 --> 01:00:15,880
for Drew Holiday right now? We
could probably guess. And so I'm just

944
01:00:15,880 --> 01:00:20,719
wondering, do you think there's a
chance that this sort of drags on?

945
01:00:21,239 --> 01:00:22,639
Well, yeah, I was gonna
ask you that, but on a different

946
01:00:22,760 --> 01:00:27,920
kind of track, which is like
Holiday is roundly regarded, as you know,

947
01:00:28,039 --> 01:00:30,719
among the most professional guys in the
league. Like he's just a great

948
01:00:30,840 --> 01:00:35,960
teammate, he models all the right
payers, Like is that the worst thing

949
01:00:36,000 --> 01:00:38,599
to have on the Blazers through the
trade dead like up to the trade deadline?

950
01:00:38,679 --> 01:00:42,239
You know, from from that perspective, like, I think you're right

951
01:00:42,280 --> 01:00:44,960
that the package just may not be
there. Now and it may be there

952
01:00:45,039 --> 01:00:49,599
later. But I think there's also
real value potentially, and like I mean

953
01:00:49,639 --> 01:00:52,400
again, there's a log jam in
the backcourt. The Blazers have a bunch

954
01:00:52,400 --> 01:00:54,079
of young guys they want to play
a ton you can't keep like a forty

955
01:00:54,119 --> 01:00:59,480
million dollar guy on the roster as
like a chaperone. But I think Holiday

956
01:00:59,519 --> 01:01:01,599
would have real value for guys like
Sharp, even guys like Simons who've been

957
01:01:01,639 --> 01:01:05,519
around a little bit. Certainly for
guys like Scoot just to be like,

958
01:01:05,920 --> 01:01:09,079
here's what it means to be a
professional who's gonna have a really great career

959
01:01:09,079 --> 01:01:13,320
and last for fifteen years. Like
that, there's value there. So I

960
01:01:13,360 --> 01:01:16,880
think worst case isn't so bad if
if if worst case is in fact that

961
01:01:16,960 --> 01:01:22,960
like the Blazers can't find no a
no brainer return for Holiday like right now.

962
01:01:22,639 --> 01:01:29,760
Also the other thing too is maybe
the Portland Thorns they could sell Lauren

963
01:01:29,800 --> 01:01:32,119
Holiday I'm playing for them, and
that might make Drew more open to staying

964
01:01:32,159 --> 01:01:36,480
in Portland a little bit longer.
That's probably what this was about all along.

965
01:01:36,559 --> 01:01:39,000
I think this is just a long
as recruiting base to get Lauren Holiday

966
01:01:39,039 --> 01:01:43,639
out of retirement, playing a long
game in Portland. Are you ready to

967
01:01:43,639 --> 01:01:47,840
pivot into the DVD segment for you
know what? Also, if any of

968
01:01:47,840 --> 01:01:51,760
you didn't say this, but if
anybody knows Katie Nolan, just ask her

969
01:01:51,800 --> 01:01:54,880
if she would be cool with us
calling this SEP segment garbage time since that

970
01:01:54,920 --> 01:01:58,360
show hasn't been on the air for
like five years. Yeah, So if

971
01:01:58,400 --> 01:02:00,679
you know Katie Nolan, yeah,
definitely, and then let us know.

972
01:02:01,880 --> 01:02:08,719
Okay, So my first one is, would you rather have Jannis Dame and

973
01:02:08,840 --> 01:02:14,280
Chris Middleton next season? Or Devin
Booker, Kevin Durant and Bradley Beal.

974
01:02:15,199 --> 01:02:22,840
That's such a good question, Dan, I think I'd I think I'd rather

975
01:02:23,039 --> 01:02:30,239
have Jannis Dame and Chris Middleton.
But that is so stupidly close that I

976
01:02:30,280 --> 01:02:35,239
hate my answer. I would agree
with you for what it's worth, but

977
01:02:35,280 --> 01:02:40,119
it feels unbelievably close. What would
have been the better? Which Big Three?

978
01:02:40,119 --> 01:02:45,039
Would you have rather have had Jannis, Chris Middleton and Damian Lillard or

979
01:02:45,079 --> 01:02:49,800
BAM Jimmy Butler and Damian Lillard.
I kind of still think it's Janis.

980
01:02:50,079 --> 01:02:52,559
I think it's the Bucks Big Three
just because of Jannis. I think he's

981
01:02:52,599 --> 01:02:57,719
just better than all those guys,
and Dame is like a perfectly complimentary superstar

982
01:02:57,800 --> 01:03:02,840
for him. You have to pick
one of these teams to win a championship

983
01:03:02,920 --> 01:03:08,480
next season? Are you taking the
Bucks with Damian Lillard, the Denver Nuggets,

984
01:03:08,880 --> 01:03:15,440
the Phoenix Suns, the Boston Celtics, and that's is that five?

985
01:03:15,239 --> 01:03:19,079
That's Denver Nuggets. You have to
pick one of these teams to win the

986
01:03:19,119 --> 01:03:22,559
title next season, the Bucks with
Damian Lillard, the Boston Celtics, the

987
01:03:22,559 --> 01:03:28,639
Phoenix Suns, the Denver Nuggets,
or let's throw another or the Cleveland Cavaliers.

988
01:03:29,079 --> 01:03:30,320
You didn't say the Golden State Warriors, which would be Yeah, they

989
01:03:30,320 --> 01:03:32,760
don't belong on this They don't belong
on this list. This is gonna have

990
01:03:32,800 --> 01:03:36,440
to be a talk me down segment. I'll go with the Bucks just to

991
01:03:36,440 --> 01:03:38,159
get on the getting you know what. I'm gonna go Denver. Denver's the

992
01:03:38,199 --> 01:03:43,440
champs until somebody beats them. Yeah, I'm still picking Denver by the way

993
01:03:43,480 --> 01:03:45,679
I think well as of right now
to win. I just feel like the

994
01:03:45,719 --> 01:03:50,719
Bucks are the prohibitive favorite in the
East. If you are Milwaukee right now

995
01:03:51,119 --> 01:03:54,880
following this trade, who is the
biggest who do you view as the biggest

996
01:03:54,920 --> 01:03:58,920
threat to you? Which team are
you most concerned about matching up with in

997
01:03:58,960 --> 01:04:00,880
the Easter or in the entire league
in the East. In the East,

998
01:04:00,920 --> 01:04:05,599
I think I'm still most concerned about
Boston because you just don't have enough guys

999
01:04:05,639 --> 01:04:11,800
to guard Tatum and Brown with this
roster in Milwaukee. And this is kind

1000
01:04:11,840 --> 01:04:15,559
of my final question is so open
ended. Is there a better better duo

1001
01:04:16,320 --> 01:04:21,000
on paper in a league right now
then Yannis Attact the Coupo and Damian Lillard.

1002
01:04:21,599 --> 01:04:25,320
I don't think so because it's the
only one, as I'm just thinking

1003
01:04:25,320 --> 01:04:29,280
off the top of my head that
has two top ten guys or you definitely

1004
01:04:29,320 --> 01:04:30,400
say are in the two times?
Who am I missing? If that's not

1005
01:04:30,440 --> 01:04:33,519
the case, I guess that would
be would you rather have Katie and Booker

1006
01:04:33,599 --> 01:04:39,760
or Jannis and Dame. I think
I'd rather have Yiannis and Dame to be

1007
01:04:39,800 --> 01:04:44,280
honest. The availability stuff is big
here, but like Jannis has dealt with

1008
01:04:44,320 --> 01:04:47,400
some injuries at this point, yeah, during just like Duran talps out at

1009
01:04:47,440 --> 01:04:50,239
like fifty something games now, though
you know, I mean maybe in if

1010
01:04:50,239 --> 01:04:55,639
you're talking about a playoff series,
that's maybe different. But I just you

1011
01:04:55,639 --> 01:04:59,039
know, I think Jannis is just
Jannis is better than all those guys,

1012
01:04:59,400 --> 01:05:00,840
even this is maybe not the best
time to say that, because he was

1013
01:05:01,039 --> 01:05:04,519
like a little bit worse last year. I just wonder, when you're looking

1014
01:05:04,519 --> 01:05:08,639
at the duo specifically, I know
you expanded to trios and we already did,

1015
01:05:09,119 --> 01:05:14,000
there's more two way upside collectively,
and well, yannest is so dominant

1016
01:05:14,079 --> 01:05:17,760
himself, like Devin Booker and KD
are much better on defense than Damian Lillard

1017
01:05:17,840 --> 01:05:21,119
is, and so there might be
there's more two way balance, I guess

1018
01:05:21,599 --> 01:05:27,639
in that duo. But I'm just
like I would honestly say, I still

1019
01:05:27,719 --> 01:05:29,800
might want to pick Yannis and Dame. I don't know if this is more

1020
01:05:29,800 --> 01:05:34,039
about the East, but Dame and
Devin Booker are more guaranteed to be top

1021
01:05:34,079 --> 01:05:39,639
ten players, both top ten players
next year. That are excuse me,

1022
01:05:39,679 --> 01:05:44,280
Booker and KD are more guaranteed to
be top ten players than both Jannis and

1023
01:05:44,360 --> 01:05:46,559
Dame because Jannie, yes, he's
two. I think Yokich is unquestionably the

1024
01:05:46,599 --> 01:05:49,800
best player in the league, but
he could be one that's reasonable. And

1025
01:05:49,800 --> 01:05:54,000
then as Dame is sort of like
he's entering that phase of his career where

1026
01:05:54,440 --> 01:05:57,239
will he still be up there?
What's he look like on a new team?

1027
01:05:57,320 --> 01:06:00,880
And so for you to feel better, I just it's tough. I

1028
01:06:00,960 --> 01:06:04,800
think it's close. The thing I
think and I got, I'm expanding beyond

1029
01:06:04,880 --> 01:06:09,480
the parameters of your question. But
like I love the Dame is not a

1030
01:06:09,480 --> 01:06:12,679
good defender. I do think point
of attack, point guard defense isn't super

1031
01:06:12,719 --> 01:06:15,840
important. But Dame as like,
your offense is good if you have Damian

1032
01:06:15,880 --> 01:06:21,280
Lillard basically like without any other qualifiers
and having him backed now on the other

1033
01:06:21,360 --> 01:06:26,360
end by Brook, Lopez and Jannie
is like, that's some pretty good balance.

1034
01:06:26,360 --> 01:06:28,480
That's a level of balance. Who
cares. I don't know how much

1035
01:06:28,559 --> 01:06:33,119
balance matters that the Suns certainly don't
have. The Suns are like just incredibly

1036
01:06:33,159 --> 01:06:36,960
duplicative in their best three players,
the Bucks of the Bucks. Like,

1037
01:06:38,480 --> 01:06:42,199
that's a sensible roster construction, you
know, at least I'm talking about like

1038
01:06:42,440 --> 01:06:44,960
three guys because the rest of the
roster I'm not in love with. But

1039
01:06:45,519 --> 01:06:48,199
you can get away with Dame's defense
if you have Lopez and Jannis behind him,

1040
01:06:49,519 --> 01:06:53,000
And I guess, so what would
be a more compelling matchup? Let's

1041
01:06:53,039 --> 01:06:57,159
just fast forward to the finals.
Would it be Bucks and Denver right now?

1042
01:06:57,239 --> 01:07:00,360
Or Bucks and Phoenix is not the
only commodating or is there or do

1043
01:07:00,400 --> 01:07:03,159
you prefer you know, Bucks versus
Warriors and that like what would be the

1044
01:07:03,199 --> 01:07:08,199
most fascinating finals matchup? Look,
you're asking here again. I told you

1045
01:07:08,199 --> 01:07:11,079
you're gonna have to do the talk
me down segment on the Warrior's title shot

1046
01:07:11,079 --> 01:07:15,840
this year because it's my factory in
a Drew trade already. But I'm factoring

1047
01:07:15,880 --> 01:07:20,519
in Chris Paul's sixth Man of the
Year campaign. I think i'd want to

1048
01:07:20,519 --> 01:07:27,719
see Janis against Yokich. I think
I don't know, I'm simple that way.

1049
01:07:27,840 --> 01:07:30,320
I think that's what i'd want to
see the Suns. The Suns are

1050
01:07:30,360 --> 01:07:31,559
gonna be awesome, but they don't
like, they don't move me. I'm

1051
01:07:31,599 --> 01:07:35,599
not I'm not as interested in seeing
the Suns as like this Bucks team now

1052
01:07:35,679 --> 01:07:39,519
and the Nuggets are just always awesome, and I think they'll be there.

1053
01:07:39,960 --> 01:07:43,320
I have another one that just came
to me. Okay, who is more

1054
01:07:43,360 --> 01:07:47,360
likely to be traded again by this
time or sorry, who was more likely

1055
01:07:47,400 --> 01:07:54,280
to be traded by this time next
year? Damian Lillard from the Bucks or

1056
01:07:54,360 --> 01:08:00,800
Joel embiide from the Sixers, ebid. I think that there's still so much

1057
01:08:00,880 --> 01:08:03,840
chick going on with the Sixers that
like, I'm I'm shocked honestly that we

1058
01:08:03,920 --> 01:08:08,119
haven't heard more rumblings and that we've
in fact heard like no, he's good,

1059
01:08:08,199 --> 01:08:11,159
he's happy to be there, and
Beat is yeah. I think em

1060
01:08:11,159 --> 01:08:14,239
Beat is my no brainer picked there
or do you disagree? I mean,

1061
01:08:14,239 --> 01:08:19,720
they're not gonna I agree, But
there was zero as normally while you think

1062
01:08:19,760 --> 01:08:24,600
I was like, oh, they're
just like yeah, beat idiot. When

1063
01:08:24,680 --> 01:08:27,239
he finally gave me one, I
had a strong opinion on So you know,

1064
01:08:28,319 --> 01:08:31,760
Uh, the last wrap up here
at Roy to Trapp, he says,

1065
01:08:31,800 --> 01:08:34,800
why are you guys so focused on
the Bucks offense? Their defense got

1066
01:08:34,800 --> 01:08:38,600
worse and it's gonna show. I
mean we talked about their defense in the

1067
01:08:38,600 --> 01:08:41,600
beginning of the pod. I just
questioned, you have Jannie, you have

1068
01:08:41,600 --> 01:08:45,760
Brook Lopez that I think you can
cobble together enough. Look, I think

1069
01:08:45,760 --> 01:08:47,399
the problem here is is you have
to assume that you're gonna get good help

1070
01:08:47,399 --> 01:08:51,800
from Chris Middleton, and if you
don't, you're better equipped to win win

1071
01:08:51,920 --> 01:08:56,600
with Dame than you were with through
Holiday and I have two guys that could

1072
01:08:56,600 --> 01:08:59,600
win Defensive Player of the Year,
So I'm not I'm not worried about their

1073
01:08:59,640 --> 01:09:01,680
defense. That's I mean, that's
yeah. I just I think that's just

1074
01:09:01,720 --> 01:09:04,279
a fair way to look at it. And there's just maybe Pat Connaughton has

1075
01:09:04,319 --> 01:09:09,560
a bounce back year. They have
enough stuff to like their perimeter defensive core

1076
01:09:09,760 --> 01:09:14,199
right now is not anywhere near like
no, the bottom of the leekue well,

1077
01:09:14,239 --> 01:09:16,159
and it's not good either, But
like when you have a really good

1078
01:09:16,159 --> 01:09:20,079
defensive center who can stretch the floor
and a point guard that also stretches the

1079
01:09:20,079 --> 01:09:24,079
floor, like maybe more than anyone
ever, you can put a couple of

1080
01:09:24,119 --> 01:09:26,560
guys that aren't going to shoot it
out there like you, that are just

1081
01:09:26,600 --> 01:09:30,800
there to guard. You can go
get your like the modern equivalent of like

1082
01:09:30,800 --> 01:09:32,720
the Andre Robertson or what you know, go get your Tony Allen like you

1083
01:09:32,760 --> 01:09:35,680
can. You can handle those guys
when you have a one and a five

1084
01:09:35,800 --> 01:09:41,279
that can bomb it. I wish
I had another just trade scenario with Dame

1085
01:09:41,399 --> 01:09:44,479
from a walk and they can make
it harder for you. I don't.

1086
01:09:44,479 --> 01:09:46,359
I don't have one. That was
just I'm so I thought you were need

1087
01:09:46,359 --> 01:09:48,560
to think about that more. I
would agree with you for what it's worth.

1088
01:09:48,680 --> 01:09:53,880
But oh, who's more likely to
be traded by this time next year,

1089
01:09:54,560 --> 01:10:00,640
Damian Lillard or Jimmy Butler. Oh
so I got to admit, like

1090
01:10:00,680 --> 01:10:03,319
my first reaction, or among my
first reactions, was, oh, Jimmy

1091
01:10:03,359 --> 01:10:05,920
might like I said it, Jimmy, Jimmy might be the guy that's like,

1092
01:10:06,199 --> 01:10:09,159
Okay, well we didn't get the
guy you said we would, so

1093
01:10:09,239 --> 01:10:12,239
now I'm out like that that would
be a Jimmy Butler thing to do.

1094
01:10:13,000 --> 01:10:15,800
So I'll say, Jimmy, I
just he's campaign him pretty hard for the

1095
01:10:15,800 --> 01:10:18,720
heat by accusing Milwaukee of Tampa.
He feels like he might be pretty invested

1096
01:10:18,760 --> 01:10:25,000
in in Miami. Do you have
anything else on this before we skid out

1097
01:10:25,000 --> 01:10:26,640
out it? We did? Oh, we did over an hour. This

1098
01:10:26,720 --> 01:10:30,239
was, of course we did because
we talked about christ Apps Porzingis for fifteen

1099
01:10:30,279 --> 01:10:34,039
minutes. He wasn't fifteen maybe twelve
at the absolute most. But otherwise,

1100
01:10:34,079 --> 01:10:36,039
do you want to take us out
of here? Yeah? No, I'm

1101
01:10:36,039 --> 01:10:40,039
trying. I mean, what a
fascinating trade. This is way more fun

1102
01:10:40,119 --> 01:10:42,920
than if you'd just gone to Miami
because of the rare trade by the way,

1103
01:10:42,920 --> 01:10:46,079
where it feels like if you had
to pick, there's one winner and

1104
01:10:46,119 --> 01:10:49,880
then kind of like two, it
feels like two losers or what. There's

1105
01:10:50,119 --> 01:10:55,439
there's every level. There's a queer
winner with Milwaukee, a TVD with Portland

1106
01:10:55,520 --> 01:10:59,079
unless you kind of skewed towards And
the other thing we Probab didn't mention enough

1107
01:10:59,840 --> 01:11:03,239
is Dame in his camp really did
nuke his trade value and so to get

1108
01:11:03,319 --> 01:11:08,560
this under those circumstances is probably a
win. So I think back everything I

1109
01:11:08,560 --> 01:11:11,439
said, I think the most.
The biggest question coming out of this is

1110
01:11:11,439 --> 01:11:14,800
sort of just I don't want to
say WTF because I understand it, but

1111
01:11:15,920 --> 01:11:19,359
what is going on in Phoenix?
Right? Windhors fingers, Oh, man,

1112
01:11:19,479 --> 01:11:24,279
we well we'll find out. I
can't. Well, I'm very interested

1113
01:11:24,319 --> 01:11:28,720
for the DeAndre Aten leaks to start
coming, Like, what really happened last

1114
01:11:29,399 --> 01:11:31,399
Someone right to tell all? Right
now the information you've been sitting on you

1115
01:11:31,600 --> 01:11:34,119
want to publish if you're gonna be
around the team. Someone dropped the tell

1116
01:11:34,159 --> 01:11:39,680
all immediately get the timely well yeah, gets get the timeline pod guys back

1117
01:11:39,720 --> 01:11:42,479
on and say, okay, for
real what happens? Like of course we

1118
01:11:42,600 --> 01:11:45,720
freaking We did talk about it,
like eight and nurkis swap on that thing,

1119
01:11:45,760 --> 01:11:47,720
so it worked out. But we
were It's funny because we were talking

1120
01:11:47,760 --> 01:11:50,359
about in the terms of the rumor
stoting around where well, what if they

1121
01:11:50,399 --> 01:11:54,560
got og and all three of us
agree, like it's just not happening,

1122
01:11:54,680 --> 01:11:58,119
like not for eighten and you have
nothing else to give. They talked about,

1123
01:11:58,119 --> 01:12:00,520
well if it's like a four team
or a three teamer and Caleb Martin's

1124
01:12:00,520 --> 01:12:05,279
coming over from the heat. Even
by those standards, this was kind of

1125
01:12:05,319 --> 01:12:12,680
like, oh, like they were
done with Adrey the inexperience expired in twenty

1126
01:12:12,720 --> 01:12:15,600
twenty three. Yeah, no,
that's all I got. So I will

1127
01:12:15,640 --> 01:12:18,560
say thank you to everybody that jumped
into comment. Thanks everyone that We'll watch

1128
01:12:18,600 --> 01:12:25,359
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1129
01:12:25,960 --> 01:12:29,680
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1130
01:12:30,000 --> 01:12:35,039
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1131
01:12:35,640 --> 01:12:40,920
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1132
01:12:40,960 --> 01:12:44,359
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1133
01:12:44,399 --> 01:12:48,960
Instagram. I think that covers it. Thanks again to everybody that jumped in

1134
01:12:49,000 --> 01:12:51,800
here. Sorry we didn't talk as
much as I had hoped about Rudy Gay,

1135
01:12:51,880 --> 01:12:56,880
but I think we did pretty well
all things considered, So as always,

1136
01:12:56,880 --> 01:13:00,239
we closed with an apology. What
do we always close with? Shout

1137
01:13:00,239 --> 01:13:06,800
out Jesus Christ? Said Frank Milatina
handed out an apology, carried out h