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Steve Rivera and Jacin Salles. They
have their eye on the ball on Tucson

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Sports Stage Chat Fox Sports fourteen fifty. Okay, welcome back to whying the

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ball here on Fox Sports fourteen fifty. I'm Steve, he's Jay. Now

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we have Kevin. We're breaking news. The is I on the ball breaking

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news on Fox Sports fourteen to fifty. All right, So yesterday I was

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talking to Jay and I heard you
guys about how Esmi Martinez was the AP

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Player of the Week Arizona Women's basketball
tweeted out today, I saw this statistic

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that she's the only active player in
all of Division one with fifteen hundred points,

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twelve hundred rebounds, two hundred assists
in addition to two hundred steals and

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one hundred blocks. Wow. Yeah, I saw that last night. Stat

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filler, right and the only one. Yeah. Yeah, that's take that

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kid, stat take that Kit put
a decal on the court. As Marie.

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So, I was hearing the debate
again today and some I think it

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was Dan Patrick's show, the debate
between you know, Kaitlyn Clark versus they

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were at Cheryl Miller, okay,
you know, and the conclusion they said

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was, well, Kaylyn Clark's a
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And you know that cheryld Miller was
a better athlete, better you know in

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that regard, but that Kaitlyn Clark
has totally changed the game. Was a

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comparison just who's the who's the best, who's the greatest player? Because the

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conversation started because I guess Jay Williams
came out and said, you can't consider

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that, you can't consider her the
greatest of all time until she wins a

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champion. Well he doesn't, you
know, that was the debate A lot

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of times. He doesn't make sense. Yeah, yeah, well yeah,

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I know a lot of people I'm
not I'm trying to be not trying to

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be funny, but I'm serious.
He comes up with some crazy things.

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Swoops got on her too. Yeah, and then uh, and then I

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guess there's a for those of you, for young guys. You know,

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women's sports weren't actually part of the
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Yeah, and so there's a there's
a women's player who actually has the

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women's back college basketball scoring record,
but she was never in the n C

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Double A. Who is not the
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remember. She's gonna she's still gonna
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somebody, well, there's still somebody
a women's player, college player who scored

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more points than Caitlin Clark. Is
it Lynette Ward? Yeah? Yeah,

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yeah, she played from seventy seven
to eighty one. She scored thirty six

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hundred. I remember seeing her and
she was fantastic. She played for the

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Globetrotters too, like the figure,
but she's she's well known. That's strange

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that I didn't know that she played, so they they can. They don't

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consider her record to be the n
C double A record because they wasn't a

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women's sports weren't NC double A yet, right, which is kind She did

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play for the Globetrotter to play,
she was a Globe. Yeah, yeah,

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her and Nancy Lieberman and Nancy Lieberman, all these great athlete athletes.

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So it's kind of like the Steph
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Yeah, yeah, who's better?
Who's been? I don't know, Well,

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Michael Jordan to me, but a
hundred times better player, but two

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different players. Curry, you know
that the game has changed because of Steph

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Curry and the and that's the point
that the women's game is changing because of

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you know, because of Caitlin Clark
and and yeah, I kind of agree

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with that, but you know,
I saw Cheryl Miller play, and Chiel

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Miller was pretty damn good. And
at a time she was like Welt Chamberlain,

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you know, just somebody don't wren't
any other No, but they weren't

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any other players like her at during
her time, and so she just dominated.

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I had something to say about Kareem
because somebody told me the other day

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that Kareem isn't an all kid great, because I was like, because they

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made a whole move, they changed
the rules because he was too good.

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He told me he wasn't good in
compared to I don't get it, but

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no, the game has changed.
And I think there's a story this week

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that showed me. I was like, the NIL era is insane, Oh,

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miss quarterback. I don't know if
you saw this. Jackson Dart has

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made NIL history, becoming the first
athlete to sign with a private jet company.

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The deal through Nicholas Air, says
that he can use the company's fleet

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of jets for travel, training,
and philanthropy. Now what that means?

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Don't know where you could go?
Good time to be alive. I guess

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the team's taking coach and he's just
all right, I'll see you at the

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airfield. I don't know, okay, but I saw some people discussing.

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You know, I hope that his
contract says that it's you know, tax

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exempt, because the taxes on those
flights is like two hundred thousand dollars for

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flight would be tax exempt. I
mean, I think these guys are getting

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taxed on this stuff, aren't they
on the NIL stuff? Yeah? Yeah,

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I mean maybe that's maybe that's why
they threw the word philanthropy in there.

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But all right, could you have
imagined this ten years ago? Jay?

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I mean, this is crazy style. How many schools or programs went

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on probation tons for the extra benefits
for prohibited benefits? Yeah you know,

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yeah, you know, Yeah,
it's crazy. More NIL news yukons a

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Leah Edwards. She's a Canadian resident
and so she inked an IL deal in

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Canada. When she came across the
border and had a media day, they

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asked her about her NIL responsibilities and
what she could do now that she's in

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the States, and she didn't.
She couldn't discuss it because she she said

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it could get her in trouble because
of the different goals for international like that,

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right, Well, Arizona does the
same or did the same thing with

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the international players. Yeah, yeah
they do. And then me and Jay

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were talking about this in between the
break last night. Texas and Texas Tech

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had a little bit of the rock
cunning hand Hockey Tech somebody when they were

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up twenty five. That was a
hard hit. It was a hockey hit,

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he said. Again, the guy
gets up like, what did I

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do? The first thing? He
didn't throw it out? Yeah, yeah

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he did. He checked him into
the board. A coach have to get

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on a mic and reprimand the fans. Yeah, but then people started throwing

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stuff on the court. Do you
think we talked? I don't think it's

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happened this year. But do you
talk about this the handshake line? Do

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you think that they should be done
with that? No, people are talking

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about that. Get in again.
Come on, man, They started talking

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about that last year with Howard.
The whole thing like this, Well that

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was coaches being idiots. Come on, well, and these things that happened

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in line, I think there were
some issues yesterday in a game where they

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were, you know, get into
it. You remember remember the show a

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little control and some orders like the
like the court store. No, but

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you're you're talking about fifteen guys that
just got to hold it together for two

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and a half minutes to go by
the in the handshake line. And for

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coaches not to be punching each other
out come on show it be an example.

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Unless you're one of those hot headed
coaches, you should be able to

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have a level head of team.
And well, although I wouldn't although I

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wouldn't be surprised off it any day
that somebody punched mc cronin in the face.

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Yeah, that's what I was thinking. The Pack twelve tournament or so.

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Welcome to the mister Rogers. Lest
everybody be a good name. He

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still reminds me of the caw mascot
he stands. Yeah. Jordan Morgan uh

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is now projected to go apparently at
the Green Bay Packers in melk Hiper's most

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recent draft. Yeah, I know
the number twenty five spot and he I

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mean he's been considered the first round
draft picks since last year, even you

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know, after he hurt his knee
and certainly came back to you know,

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make sure that he solidifies that.
So good for him. I don't know

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if I've seen, if we've seen
any I don't know how far these mock

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drafts golf. It's just first round
or whatever. But you know where if

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Michael Wiley, Jacob Cowing, and
Tanner McLaughlin, where they might wind up,

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you know, probably second or third
day guys, well probably no more

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after the combine. We were talking
McLachlin. I mean, he's you know,

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he'll I think I think the question
we asked was which of those other

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three guys would get drafted higher McLachlan
Wiley. It's interesting to see. You

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know, Jacob comedy is so short, how yeah, you know, but

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he's so fast and I just by
by happenstance that the alim was on my

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on my TV as I walked by, and that touchdown that he scored,

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you know towards the end where Fafita
scrambled, you know, hit him coming

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across the field and he just outran
everybody. That's NFL speed, NFL talent.

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So we'll see. I don't know
if you listened to the Dan Patrick

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Show today, but they were talking
about like the death of the kick return

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and how there's a whole class of
really skilled guys just don't get jobs anymore

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because well, we're not kicking the
ball to anybody, so you have no

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reason to pay you. What's his
name, Michael Bates? Yea, right,

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Michael. He wouldn't have had an
NFL career if not for you know,

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the kick return. But then he
that's pretty good. Special team Devin

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Hester, who is still trying to
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Think he got in? I think
did he get in? Yeah, think

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he got in. Adam says he
got in because he's he's a bear guy,

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isn't he. Yeah? I think
he got in like two years ago.

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Yeah, all right, And then
the Chiefs have released Marquez about Scantling,

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I figured that was relevant to mention
just because of all the different news

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stories about him in his hands throughout
the year, and then he came up

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big in a couple of moments in
the playoffs. So yeah, they're gonna

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save twelve million by releasing him,
which seems like such free money for the

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organization somebody to pick him up.
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as far as breaking news for on
my end. I don't know if you

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guys had anything that he thought.
No, just uh, you know,

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watching getting ready for baseball to start. Show, Hey, gotta hit a

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homer in his first game, and
it was one of those that the sound

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of it was just there was an
A's player that that ripped one the other

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day that just it was one of
those perfect baseball sounds. I can't I

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can't wait to be able to watch
him because I would. I would.

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You know, I've got to be
able to watch the Dodgers. I've got

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the MLB package, and you know, if there wasn't a Dodger game and

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I would watch, I go on
and see where show he was in the

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bad and Nordmon he's coming up.
I put it on just to see him

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bad. He's one of those athletes
where it's like you got to watch Michael

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Jordan type of guy. Even watch
Arizona baseball. I want to mention while

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we're on the topic, they play
number five TCU tonight undefeated TCU as well,

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and we're on the road. I
believe on the road. Yeah,

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did you see the l s US
favorite to win it all? Plus six

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fifty? Mister Johnson has a pretty
good team again. Yeah, that's it,

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and that's and that's he's a pretty
good gaming over there. Because it's

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a program, it's got a lot
of support, got a lot of money.

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Guys wanted to go there, and
uh, you know, you can

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win national champion championships, so you
can win national championships here. But uh,

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you know, LSU is sort of
in Alabama territory, you know,

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when it comes to when it comes
to baseball. Okay, would you guys

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sit there and want I'm just a
clips just shut up on my on my

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screen of the drills and stuff at
the NFL combine? Does that I only

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interested like when guys have incredible performances
go to or bad. I think I

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think watching Lineman run the forties kind
of interesting because there's always like a couple

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of real true athletes in there and
you're like that big boy, that guy,

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Yeah, that guy can move and
you see you see that. There's

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some stuff that I can find appealing
in there. But in general, Adam's

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night in his head, big we
gotta I think we have a sports freak

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right here sitting in this chair.
If he's a supporter of the Chicago Bears,

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you know, he's a sports freaks? Are you? Are you all

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Chicago sports or just the Bears?
Like? Okay, all right, okay,

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Dodger fan like you like the Dodgers
are your favorite major league team?

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Why Chicago? Then? Like your
dad's from Chicago. Socks is interesting though,

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he's he's rare, he likes all
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Well we're gonna find out more.
We're gonna were gonna get him on the

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mic while you're gone. You can
take medication for that, so that could

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be fixed. Or a lot of
losing does that to you? You know,

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I used to be a sports fan. I'm not anymore. It's true.

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You can't say that, Steve,
because people are gonna turn off the

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damn radio. They're not gonna turn
somebody. The guy talking sports is not

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a sports fan. I don't like. You're not a fan of teams.

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Say it like that. You're not
a fan of teams, but you love

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sports? You love sports? Okay, tell me what else you you love

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sports, don't you? Well?
I love sports, okay, but I'm

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not a sports fan. But he's
dumb team right, Okay, I get

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not. You need to finish the
sentence when you say that you say I'm

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not a sports fan of the Cowboys. Of the Cowboys, love these Chicago

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club you love sports, otherwise you
wouldn't you wouldn't be here. Uh okay,

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so your creator, that's a little
more mentioned for you. You're killing

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the credibility to this show, though, is not yours. You killed yours

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a long time ago. I never
had it. I walked in the dorm.

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People are going I guarantee, I
guarantee you our callers or say,

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well, Steve doesn't care, I'm
gonna turn this. Um. I told

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you he doesn't know what exactly.
You know what, you know what it

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is. You're just embarrassed that you
used to be a Cowboys fan. But

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that's what it is. You're embarrassed, and so you just say I'm not

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a fan of that. Guilt.
Guilt, guilt and shame in there totally.

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Like you're like you like you secretly
have a felony on your record or

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something like that that you don't want
anybody to know about you. So you

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just deny, you deny how much
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don't love this stuff. But you're
right about the Cowboys. They ruined my

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life. All right, Let's go
and take our break. We're gonna come

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back. We don't have a guest
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just take your calls and chat over
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The NFL has done its survey of
the players Association, and clubs were

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rated for a variety of things.
We'll kick into that. We'll let you

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Adam get on the microphone a little
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He's a huge sports fan. We
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LA and he's a Lakers fan.
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hitting the road heading up for the
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picking his brain on his teams and
so Adam is a Bears fan in a

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White Sox and Cubs fan, more
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gotta go with the team. That's
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he says he likes the Dodgers,
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LA, but you're Cubs fan.
So I don't know what to make of

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that. But anyways, Adam,
welcome and thanks for being here. So

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Kevin broke out the the nflpa's survey, and so we wanted to kick that

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around a little bit and let me
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the last segment and we'll be kicking
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us during this segment. Now five
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Anyways, we broke out the surveys
because the Cardinals are at the top

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of the list right and the because
the Arizona Cardinals once again and we saw

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this slash hip across the across the
board. Just not consider a very good

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organization whatsoever, A D plus on
treatment of families, a D on their

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food and their cafeteria, and F
on their locker room, which that makes

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no sense because the stadium is not
that old, is it. But at

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least they got a bat and training
staff. They've got an A and a

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minus for their head coach, put
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so interesting stuff, but you bring
up you brought up something that cut your

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eye. I was gonna say,
maybe maybe there's more similar between the Cardinals

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and the current champions that you think, because the Kansas City Chiefs have been

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rated an A plus head coach Andy
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all time, but an F minus
ownership group the Kansas City Chiefs. I

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mean, I'm not pretending to know
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don't know how you can be bad
owners if you're winning championships, right,

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and guys are playing and you're paying
guys and we're know where You'd have to

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delve into it to find out why
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I'm looking at it. The Chiefs
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room F, training staff D training
room C minus. Food and cafeteria D

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plus. Treatment of facilities, Well, they're in an old facility. You

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know, the Airhead Stadium is really
really old ownership. Yeah, and you

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know, maybe it has something to
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it's it's interesting stuff because these are
players who you know, are living this

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stuff. They go to the locker
rooms, they work for these uh you

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know, for these organizations, it's
the pool of it's a pool of seventeen

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hundred NFL players that were that were
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But you know, again, one
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A lot of d's fs C C
minuses. The Cowboys got an A

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plus. We'll give them that,
Dolphins with an A plus, Vikings with

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an A. But then you look
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with an F minus, Steelers F
minus, Patriots F minus. What does

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that mean? It's like your families
aren't welcome around. Oh they snubbed me

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on my six free tickets and didn't
let me get a free suite, yeah

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or something right right. Facilities I
think is always an interesting stuff for locker

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room is it is the locker room
or just facilities locker room, training room,

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weight room, training STATFA of the
facilities into a category, so like

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locker room, training room. Yeah, but lot you know, you go

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locker rooms, which we've always said
they're so important. You know, guys

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make decisions based on you know,
particularly in college. Do you guys have

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a good locker room. Yeah,
I got, I got a TV and

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xbox in there. I'm coming,
I'm coming. I'm going to Oregon,

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right, but locker room, f
locker rooms. The Cardinals, the Falcons,

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the Chiefs, the Chargers, which
they're in a brand new stadium unless

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there's a it's that includes their practice
facility. Chargers got an F cafeteria too,

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you know. Uh we said the
Chiefs, the Chargers, the Steelers,

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and the command The Commanders have f's
across almost across the board. They

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got an A in one thing,
and that was strength coaches. So they

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love their strength coach, but they
hate everything else. Although their ownership got

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to be and their coach got to
see. They got a Magic Johnson there

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now too, So yeah, every
game is a new tweet. The Dolphins.

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The Dolphins, though across the board, the Vikings almost as across the

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board. They got two b's.
Yeah, look at that. Vikings being

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matt high in every category kind of
shocks me, though, I can't think

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it's all that hard to be living
and playing in Miami, right, that's

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just got to be kind of kind
of cool. Well, the complete opposite

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of living in Seattle. Yeah,
exactly, yeah, I mean it's got

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to be miserable, but it's not. Now. They got b's and c's

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mostly, you know, and A
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ownership. Okay, let's go.
Let's go through the ownership groups. Get

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to see, uh the forty nine
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in A, Dolphins and Vikings A
plus Jacksonville and A Packers, and a

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Broncos and a uh Buffalo Bills in
A. The fs, like we said,

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are there are the Cardinals, the
Chiefs, and the Steelers. So

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those are the only any of the
A plus or A ownership groups cand of

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surprise you at all about the Broncos. Everything's going on with the organizations kind

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of a little bit the jack Jacksonville, but you know, they're they they

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you know their game has improved,
especially but you know, you know it

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all a lot of do they have
good players, right, and if they

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have good players, are they treating
those players as well? You know,

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you see you see the Ravens and
the and the Bills with you know,

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with A's they're they're good. They
they're paying, they're paying their guys and

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and and all that kind of stuff. But it's cool stuff, you know.

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I when this thing came out last
year, and of course the Cardinals

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got bad grades last year as well, so and you know, you got

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a culture, right, and it
kind of it just stays that way.

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It's hard to get out of something
like that. Sometimes it takes a new

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stadium. The team's got to get
sold something like that to be able to

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change. You know, the bid
Walls aren't going aren't going to get rid

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of their team. They're not going
to sell the team anytime soon. Michael

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Bidles, the relatively young guy,
you know, he's you know, he's

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not gonna he's not gonna get rid
of it. That's their legacy. That's

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what they do. I mean,
the Cardinals. For the longest time,

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that was their business. You know, most of these other owners they do

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something else. They made their money
somewhere else. The Cardinals, you know,

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particularly when they were in Saint Louis. I don't know if that's changed

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over time because of money and so
like that, but that is and as

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being their business. That's where they
make that family makes its money is with

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the Cardinals. So you know,
when when you when you're doing that,

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you know there's there's a lot of
other considerations in terms of what you're doing

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with your money and stuff like that, but really really interesting stuff. So

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we we're gonna talk about the au
came here in a little bit, since

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you know, we'll be on.
I'll be on with old your thoughts tonight.

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I mean, I I don't see
that them screwing it up to you.

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I don't see them screwing it up. We were talking to Steve about

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the line the line earlier. I
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road. I could see like fifteen, I could I could see it.

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But I see this being a double
jEdit victory. It could be in the

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low double jed. It's like eleven
twelve. Yeah, you know, I

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could see su hanging in it kind
of you know, being inspired, you

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know, taking you know, shoot, shooting their shot kind of thing.

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I mean, I don't know what
you thought I mean, every time we

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think you have is going to take
next step, sometimes they have a letdown.

408
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So obviously this is a rivalry game. You want to cement yourself.

409
00:28:04.680 --> 00:28:10.000
They just took back number one in
the conference after the Cougars loss, so

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00:28:10.599 --> 00:28:14.119
this is a big game. They
should try to win out and see what

411
00:28:14.200 --> 00:28:15.799
happens. Well, and that's the
thing, I mean, they know they've

412
00:28:15.799 --> 00:28:18.720
got to win every game. They
can't take any chances that Washington State will

413
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lose another game. And that's what
I was gonna ask you, what do

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you think should happen tonight? And
what do you think will happen tonight?

415
00:28:26.240 --> 00:28:30.240
Well, I think I think Arizona
should should not be threatened. Okay,

416
00:28:30.480 --> 00:28:34.039
take a lead, keep a lead. Maybe it's ten, maybe it's twelve,

417
00:28:34.160 --> 00:28:37.880
maybe it's eighteen, I don't know. Kind of a double digit,

418
00:28:37.960 --> 00:28:41.240
comfortable lead through the whole game where
you never feel they're going to lose.

419
00:28:41.720 --> 00:28:45.839
That's what I would expect, right, That's what I would expect. I

420
00:28:45.880 --> 00:28:48.759
wouldn't be surprised if it went down
to the wire because they as sue plays

421
00:28:48.759 --> 00:28:52.480
out of it. But and I
wouldn't be surprised if Arizona blew them out.

422
00:28:52.519 --> 00:28:57.039
By twenty five. But I would
expect a game kind of in the

423
00:28:57.119 --> 00:29:02.079
middle, you know, off point
lead, fourteen point lead, they kind

424
00:29:02.079 --> 00:29:06.359
of maintain that lead through the whole
game. Maybe a stew makes a run

425
00:29:06.480 --> 00:29:11.720
or two gets it and single did
just like Washington did last Saturday. Fans

426
00:29:11.759 --> 00:29:17.039
getting nervous, that kind of thing. But I would expect Arizona have sort

427
00:29:17.039 --> 00:29:21.039
of be comfortable most of the night. Uh. Look, they just got

428
00:29:21.079 --> 00:29:23.480
better players. And it's that simple. And if Arizona's players show up and

429
00:29:23.519 --> 00:29:29.400
play well, Colin Boswell plays well. We've always talked about We've talked about

430
00:29:29.440 --> 00:29:33.319
how important it is for Pella Larson
to play well. Uh that Arizona's just

431
00:29:33.480 --> 00:29:37.599
better when those two guys play well, because Caleb Love is gonna do what

432
00:29:37.680 --> 00:29:40.680
Caleb Love does, Keisha Johnson gonna
do what he does, Lumar Balo is

433
00:29:40.720 --> 00:29:44.839
gonna get his double double. You
know, the missing pieces when they when

434
00:29:44.880 --> 00:29:49.839
they don't do well, are those
two guys have bad games because they they

435
00:29:49.920 --> 00:29:53.599
rely on those two guys for so
much stuff. You know, Pela,

436
00:29:55.240 --> 00:29:56.839
he's got a rebound, he's got
to play defense, he's got to he's

437
00:29:56.880 --> 00:30:00.759
got to hit a couple of threes. He's got to drive the lane and

438
00:30:00.799 --> 00:30:03.160
get some baskets. He's got to
put up ten twelve points. Right,

439
00:30:03.319 --> 00:30:07.400
he's been a spark as well,
right, yelling screen right, Yeah,

440
00:30:07.480 --> 00:30:11.559
when he does that in that moment, those are the things that he brings

441
00:30:11.599 --> 00:30:15.759
to the table and that he does
game in and game out. That when

442
00:30:15.839 --> 00:30:18.079
he does all of those things in
a game, they're a whole lot better

443
00:30:18.359 --> 00:30:22.839
because he's on the floor and Colin
Boswall just has to keep managing. People

444
00:30:22.880 --> 00:30:26.680
are upset that he's not scoring a
bunch of points. Well, he doesn't

445
00:30:26.720 --> 00:30:29.799
need to be. Caleb Blove's taking
care of the scoring on the perimeter,

446
00:30:30.799 --> 00:30:33.519
but he's he can't do He can't
be dribbling at the top of the key,

447
00:30:34.680 --> 00:30:37.000
lose focus and have the guy pick
him clean and go in for a

448
00:30:37.079 --> 00:30:41.319
layup, and then you know,
then he doesn't cover on the next possession,

449
00:30:41.599 --> 00:30:45.559
doesn't cover the guy who drains the
three when he was told to cover

450
00:30:45.720 --> 00:30:49.359
the guy. He's just got to
be fundamentally sound. He doesn't have to

451
00:30:49.400 --> 00:30:52.799
fill up the statute, and he's
got to get some assists, play some

452
00:30:52.920 --> 00:30:56.119
defense, not turn the ball over. And if he gets six, six

453
00:30:56.240 --> 00:31:00.640
or eight points, then fine,
six eight points. It's like four to

454
00:31:00.720 --> 00:31:03.480
six, seven assists, whatever,
Right, don't be a not be you

455
00:31:03.519 --> 00:31:07.359
know, a detriment when he's on
the court. He can't be a minus

456
00:31:07.440 --> 00:31:11.680
guy. There's been on the course
where he just hasn't scored and they've had

457
00:31:11.759 --> 00:31:15.559
like three point losses. There a
couple of games where they just needed something

458
00:31:15.680 --> 00:31:18.480
something right. Yeah, and he's
got to contribute, no doubt, he's

459
00:31:18.519 --> 00:31:22.000
got to contribute. He's the point
guard. He's got to I think,

460
00:31:22.039 --> 00:31:22.799
you know, some of the games
that he had earlier in the year,

461
00:31:22.799 --> 00:31:26.519
people thought he's gonna score a lot
of points. Well, one, he

462
00:31:26.599 --> 00:31:30.319
doesn't need to, uh and most
you know, most teams with great,

463
00:31:30.480 --> 00:31:33.200
real good point guards don't need the
guy to scuff. They've got pieces all

464
00:31:33.240 --> 00:31:36.720
around and they've got all you know, they've got a nice inside game with

465
00:31:36.880 --> 00:31:38.440
Umar. That's one of the other
things that you know, people are saying

466
00:31:38.440 --> 00:31:41.480
that Umar is not having a great
year. He's got six double doubles in

467
00:31:41.559 --> 00:31:45.759
a row, six or sex or
something. Yes, he was supposted seven

468
00:31:45.839 --> 00:31:48.640
consecutive double doubles, right, and
it's something no Arizona player has done since

469
00:31:48.720 --> 00:31:52.359
Alf Fleming had ten straight in the
seventy fourth of five season, and he's

470
00:31:52.480 --> 00:31:56.119
just fourteen rebounds, shy of being
the thirteenth player in Arizona history with one

471
00:31:56.160 --> 00:32:00.359
thousand points and seven rebounds. How
do people say he's not having a great

472
00:32:00.400 --> 00:32:02.440
year. I think it's because he
started. And I was one of those

473
00:32:02.440 --> 00:32:07.319
people. He started so slow.
He started really slow, and I just

474
00:32:07.440 --> 00:32:10.279
didn't see any improvement over his play
last year in like the first I don't

475
00:32:10.279 --> 00:32:13.720
know, eight six to eight games, and I was like, well,

476
00:32:13.720 --> 00:32:17.000
we're playing bad teams in these first
four and I'm like, you got worse

477
00:32:17.000 --> 00:32:21.279
from last year? Is possible?
That's it gonna be like when it's March.

478
00:32:21.839 --> 00:32:23.920
But he has kind of grown into
the news. He's been really good,

479
00:32:24.640 --> 00:32:28.319
and I think that's something I underestimated, was the effect of him and

480
00:32:28.400 --> 00:32:31.119
his new role on his right right. No, he's been really good.

481
00:32:31.160 --> 00:32:35.079
And and you know, and I
agree with you. I mean I I

482
00:32:35.160 --> 00:32:37.279
you know, I thought the kind
of the same thing, like he hasn't

483
00:32:37.279 --> 00:32:38.400
taken the big leap that we thought
he was going to. But he has

484
00:32:38.480 --> 00:32:42.839
over the last several weeks. And
you know, he's the guy that they're

485
00:32:42.839 --> 00:32:45.319
gonna nee. He's going to need
to be physical. There's still a lot

486
00:32:45.359 --> 00:32:47.680
of questions about how good he is
defensively or how physical he is under there.

487
00:32:47.759 --> 00:32:52.240
He goes up for some shots,
they've dunked that, and he doesn't

488
00:32:52.279 --> 00:32:53.960
dunk it, or lays it up
and gets blocked or whatever. But he's

489
00:32:54.000 --> 00:32:58.000
getting his points, he's gaining his
rebounds, he's having an impact. He's

490
00:32:58.000 --> 00:33:01.079
even made some free throws. I
like what he's been doing lately. Yeah,

491
00:33:01.400 --> 00:33:06.079
he's a they go as he goes. I agree, I agree,

492
00:33:06.160 --> 00:33:09.279
So I you know, again,
I think I think Arizona handles it.

493
00:33:09.359 --> 00:33:13.480
But what the hell do I know? Right? And especially if you look

494
00:33:13.759 --> 00:33:16.559
as you're saying Arizona goes as Bollo
goes. You know, maybe not in

495
00:33:16.599 --> 00:33:19.319
the way that people think about it, but like if you think of the

496
00:33:19.359 --> 00:33:21.559
teams we're going to have to play
to win it, all right, you

497
00:33:21.640 --> 00:33:24.359
know, the Produce, the Yukon's, the Houston's, the Tennessee. He

498
00:33:24.519 --> 00:33:28.279
has to be a factor in all
those matchups, whether he has to be

499
00:33:28.359 --> 00:33:31.799
a big factor and Donovan Klingman and
all those guys, or being the biggest

500
00:33:31.839 --> 00:33:35.839
guy against Houston. He has to
be effective in some way. Right,

501
00:33:35.920 --> 00:33:38.400
you can't just be out there right
and and again he's you know, game

502
00:33:39.000 --> 00:33:43.279
as the games go on, you
see you see that happening. So you

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00:33:43.359 --> 00:33:45.039
know, I think that's a great
sign for Arizona. All right, let's

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00:33:45.079 --> 00:33:47.319
go and take our break. We're
going to come back. Hold Rabino,

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publisher of Devil's Digests, one of
the SU fan sites, been a frequent

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to join us and we'll preview the
game tonight, see what he thinks and

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the road for heading for Tim p
for tonight's game with ASU. But on

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the phone now we've got Hold Rabino, the publisher of Devils Digest, one

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of the ASU sites up up in
Phoenix and the Phoenix area. Hode,

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00:37:32.760 --> 00:37:37.800
Welcome to the show. Thanks for
joining us. Not bong guys, thanks

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00:37:37.840 --> 00:37:38.920
having me. Well, I want
to talk a little obviously, you know,

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00:37:39.119 --> 00:37:45.159
big game and as everybody's noted,
the last regular season PAC twelve game

560
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between these two longtime rivals. Now
they're neithery're both going together to Big twelve.

561
00:37:50.320 --> 00:37:53.719
So the rivalry continues, but it
is the last one. You know,

562
00:37:53.880 --> 00:37:58.320
I was looking at the you're looking
at the season that the sun Devils

563
00:37:58.320 --> 00:38:04.039
have had the peaks the Valleys which
have been big, right, I mean

564
00:38:04.480 --> 00:38:07.400
big dips and big big I think
at the gap play right. I mean

565
00:38:07.400 --> 00:38:12.679
I always tell people that the the
resume of Bobby Hurley and MP is a

566
00:38:12.800 --> 00:38:16.440
very complex one. I mean some
absolutely unbelievable peaks, like beating Kansas,

567
00:38:16.559 --> 00:38:22.280
you know, back to back years
and having all those NCAA tournament appearances when

568
00:38:22.320 --> 00:38:28.000
you compare them to other coaches,
not name ned Walk and MP, and

569
00:38:28.119 --> 00:38:32.119
he's definitely done better in that department. But sometimes the Valleys definitely do hit

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00:38:32.239 --> 00:38:37.119
hard. You know that that COVID
year when they had two five star players

571
00:38:37.400 --> 00:38:43.000
Josh Christopher was still playing in the
NBA and Marcus Bagley, you have a

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00:38:43.039 --> 00:38:45.960
team that really underachieve quite a bit. And you know, when you're talking

573
00:38:45.960 --> 00:38:49.960
about the peaks and valleys, I
mean, here we are an HU team

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00:38:50.079 --> 00:38:53.920
that last year won twenty three games, tied for the most under Bobby Hurley

575
00:38:53.960 --> 00:39:00.519
and MP, and a year later
you're basically reduced to a five hundred team

576
00:39:00.800 --> 00:39:05.039
losing a lot of key players from
last year mainly because of nil. So

577
00:39:05.719 --> 00:39:09.159
yeah, I think peaks and valleys, roller coaster, pick whatever term you

578
00:39:09.239 --> 00:39:15.400
want is something that definitely defines Bobby
Early's ten year and tenp and this Arizona

579
00:39:15.440 --> 00:39:17.480
State basketball for them, you know, and you know I'm I'm an Arizona

580
00:39:17.519 --> 00:39:21.440
guy born, you know, born
and Brad went to school here, been

581
00:39:21.480 --> 00:39:24.239
here all my life, and I
haven't got I mean, I got myself

582
00:39:24.280 --> 00:39:28.639
to admit when when a SU got
got to five and two in the league,

583
00:39:28.679 --> 00:39:31.320
had beaten USC and I thought,
God, they might be good.

584
00:39:32.159 --> 00:39:36.440
And then what is it? A
five game losing streak? I mean,

585
00:39:36.480 --> 00:39:44.360
what what happened mid season? Yeah, it's interesting because a SU had a

586
00:39:44.440 --> 00:39:49.880
horrendous ending to the non conference slate. They lost to University of San Diego

587
00:39:50.760 --> 00:39:53.639
on the road, UH in a
game that really had no business whatsoever,

588
00:39:53.800 --> 00:40:00.480
losing, then losing both to TCU
and a neutral side and they really fort

589
00:40:00.519 --> 00:40:05.159
Worth as well as losing to Northwestern
and a game that was played at the

590
00:40:05.199 --> 00:40:08.599
Phoenix Suns Arena, and those of
the last two games the margin of defeat

591
00:40:08.760 --> 00:40:14.920
was just around nineteen points. So
you talk about a team that was backing

592
00:40:15.000 --> 00:40:20.079
into pack well play the worst way, and you just didn't feel that something

593
00:40:20.119 --> 00:40:23.440
could happen over holdy break, that
this team would look a whole lot different

594
00:40:23.559 --> 00:40:29.679
to start we'd play. But sure
enough, as you did start out on

595
00:40:29.800 --> 00:40:34.519
fire, there were four and oh
to your point, five and two after

596
00:40:34.639 --> 00:40:37.159
seven games, and you really think
they were able to be able to turn

597
00:40:37.239 --> 00:40:44.039
the corner. But I just feel
that this team has been very disjointed.

598
00:40:44.559 --> 00:40:47.320
At the very tail end of the
conference play really showed that the chemistry in

599
00:40:47.400 --> 00:40:52.440
cohesiveness with a team that had no
fewer than eleven newcomers, right, the

600
00:40:52.559 --> 00:40:57.920
things really were coming together. But
for whatever reason, after that five and

601
00:40:58.000 --> 00:41:01.079
two start, it's almost like they
were playing too much hero ball. And

602
00:41:01.159 --> 00:41:07.679
their defense has been an absolute staple
of their fine play when they did play

603
00:41:07.760 --> 00:41:10.599
well this year and definitely last year
in the won twenty three games. Was

604
00:41:10.719 --> 00:41:15.519
just one of those aspects that that
really kind of came and went. And

605
00:41:15.599 --> 00:41:17.920
look, maybe the four and zero
start was a mirage after all, because

606
00:41:19.519 --> 00:41:22.920
both on the road and Stanford and
Nat cal Asu trailed in double digits in

607
00:41:23.000 --> 00:41:27.960
the second half. I believe it
was the super game with that to overcome

608
00:41:28.440 --> 00:41:32.199
a sixteen point deficit in the second
half, so they were able to streak

609
00:41:32.239 --> 00:41:38.280
out those two games. But maybe
just those type of victories were you do

610
00:41:38.440 --> 00:41:42.320
get exposed, even though you can
put a game in a W column,

611
00:41:42.760 --> 00:41:46.920
but just because we got exposed in
those contests, the you know, chickens

612
00:41:47.000 --> 00:41:50.199
kind of came to roosts, you
know, later on in the year.

613
00:41:50.840 --> 00:41:53.760
And look said, I mean this
PAC twelve team, sorry Pack twelve conference

614
00:41:54.440 --> 00:41:59.880
is extremely extremely full with parody.
I mean, you of a Marshton state

615
00:42:00.400 --> 00:42:02.800
above everybody else if you will,
But I don't think there's a whole lot

616
00:42:02.840 --> 00:42:08.320
of donation for the rest of the
teams. And that's the unfortunately maybe also

617
00:42:08.440 --> 00:42:13.559
caught up with as well. So
there definitely were you know, a lot

618
00:42:13.599 --> 00:42:16.039
of aspects. And I'll be the
first one to admit that a very promising

619
00:42:16.159 --> 00:42:21.079
start to ACTUELVE play by the Sun
Devils is a little bit of distant membory

620
00:42:21.159 --> 00:42:23.840
right now, right we're talking to
Hod Rubino, publisher of Devil's Digest up

621
00:42:23.920 --> 00:42:29.480
in ten p So what's what's the
buzz around the program right now? And

622
00:42:30.119 --> 00:42:31.440
you know, I mean, as
I said, you know, twenty three

623
00:42:31.480 --> 00:42:35.559
games you know in n C doua
A tournament last year. Now you're five

624
00:42:35.679 --> 00:42:37.840
hundred, you know, just a
few games left obviously, you know,

625
00:42:38.280 --> 00:42:43.119
any chance at a post seasonally since
as far as the NC double A is

626
00:42:43.159 --> 00:42:45.800
concerned, got to you know,
get on a streak and win the tournament

627
00:42:45.119 --> 00:42:49.760
and would have to win four four
PAC twelve tournament games. But what's the

628
00:42:49.840 --> 00:42:53.000
buzz you know, what are people
saying? What are people thinking? Uh,

629
00:42:53.280 --> 00:42:55.840
you know what, what's the impressions
right now? What do they think

630
00:42:55.880 --> 00:43:00.159
to Bobby Hurley? You know,
as you said, you know, it's

631
00:43:00.159 --> 00:43:02.719
sort of this inconsistency, these ups
and downs that that he's had as a

632
00:43:02.800 --> 00:43:07.559
coach. Where where's everybody's mind at
right now? Well? Look, I

633
00:43:07.599 --> 00:43:09.760
mean I think in the very very
short term, you know, to call

634
00:43:09.920 --> 00:43:15.480
a su that quote unquote the team
that nobody wants to face in the Taxol

635
00:43:15.599 --> 00:43:20.199
tournaments, Moniker, the definitely has
some vilility to it because I feel when

636
00:43:20.199 --> 00:43:24.199
they play defense at the usual level
that Bobby early teams have played defense in

637
00:43:24.199 --> 00:43:29.519
the last couple of years, and
they have their their four guard lineup really

638
00:43:29.960 --> 00:43:32.480
hitting an old cylinders and really be
able to bounce the scoring, it can

639
00:43:32.639 --> 00:43:37.639
be a dangerous team that really can
be. I believe any of its conference

640
00:43:37.679 --> 00:43:43.679
fos on any given day. So
I know that the task of winning four

641
00:43:43.760 --> 00:43:46.440
games in four consecutive days in the
Pasov Tournament in order to win the tax

642
00:43:46.440 --> 00:43:52.599
World Championship and get get in as
an automatic qualifier, because obviously any at

643
00:43:52.719 --> 00:44:00.159
large chance of getting into tournament is
basically non existent. You know, maybe

644
00:44:00.199 --> 00:44:04.039
that's something that can happen, but
I don't think anybody is really disillusion to

645
00:44:04.159 --> 00:44:07.800
think that as even has a fifty
percent fans of that happening, which kind

646
00:44:07.800 --> 00:44:09.440
of brings the bigger picture, you
know, you know Bobby Hurley, I

647
00:44:09.480 --> 00:44:15.159
mean, is that the coach that
asdu uh you know, feels that that

648
00:44:15.239 --> 00:44:19.559
can really still uh come back and
play at the high level that they played

649
00:44:19.800 --> 00:44:22.719
last year and even even some seasons
before that. I know a lot of

650
00:44:22.760 --> 00:44:28.480
people in the fan base just feel
that this program is really gone as far

651
00:44:28.519 --> 00:44:31.440
as Bobby Hurley can take can take. And then you know, maybe in

652
00:44:31.559 --> 00:44:37.400
football, a SU and maybe you
for that matter, don't really look at

653
00:44:37.480 --> 00:44:40.000
the Big twelve as a daunting conference
that they can really make their market.

654
00:44:40.159 --> 00:44:44.440
But I think basketball it's a whole
lot different. I mean that you a

655
00:44:45.000 --> 00:44:47.519
you know should should if it's a
comfortable that they could be successful in the

656
00:44:47.559 --> 00:44:51.480
Big twelvel though they probably know that
it's going to be a much stuffer tap

657
00:44:51.639 --> 00:44:54.280
right than in the Pac twelve,
especially to look at this season. But

658
00:44:54.320 --> 00:44:57.920
I think to look at ASU,
I mean, the big field are really

659
00:44:57.960 --> 00:45:01.960
going into the lines then, and
maybe with a lot of bullets in their

660
00:45:02.039 --> 00:45:07.559
chambers. And you know, some
folks do have their doubts about Bobby Hurley,

661
00:45:07.920 --> 00:45:10.960
how he went from a twenty three
win team last year to barely being

662
00:45:12.400 --> 00:45:15.159
a five hundred team this year.
And as you probably you've got the dynamic

663
00:45:15.239 --> 00:45:21.800
here in TMP where an athletic director
is not expected to be had at least

664
00:45:21.800 --> 00:45:25.920
two three months from now, and
both really saves Bobby Hurley's job, if

665
00:45:27.000 --> 00:45:31.000
you will, and allows them to
coach that first year in the Big twelve.

666
00:45:31.559 --> 00:45:35.280
And look, I mean, if
you're gonna get rid of any coach,

667
00:45:35.320 --> 00:45:37.159
you better make sure that that you
do have an adequate replacement. And

668
00:45:37.199 --> 00:45:42.360
I don't know if he is really
in that position right now. ASU has

669
00:45:42.440 --> 00:45:46.400
well documented nil issues with in football, there's somewhat been able to be corrected.

670
00:45:46.440 --> 00:45:51.039
But I think basketball associal situation that
leads a lot to be desired,

671
00:45:51.400 --> 00:45:52.800
you know. On the other hand, he does have a top twenty five

672
00:45:52.840 --> 00:46:00.199
recruiting class coming in maybe just maybe
can really ease that transition into Big into

673
00:46:00.239 --> 00:46:02.119
the Big Twelve. But I think
the bottom line with as there's just a

674
00:46:02.199 --> 00:46:06.559
lot of questions in marks. If
Bobby Hurley is the right guy for a

675
00:46:06.639 --> 00:46:09.440
lot of questions, Mark how they
can singer in a much tougher conference like

676
00:46:09.519 --> 00:46:14.840
the Big Twelve. But right now, I just don't see a whole lot

677
00:46:15.400 --> 00:46:19.719
changing unless Bobby Hurley does want to
leave leave on as Ford. Yeah,

678
00:46:19.880 --> 00:46:23.360
so you wouldn't see that. Maybe
if they able to bring back the core

679
00:46:23.400 --> 00:46:28.400
of good players, which again is
there's really contingent on al being better than

680
00:46:28.440 --> 00:46:31.719
it is right now. If it's
top five recruiting class can really play up

681
00:46:31.760 --> 00:46:36.039
to the capabilities, maybe the sun
Devils, you know, once again,

682
00:46:36.079 --> 00:46:37.920
can surprise. I don't know how
many people thought they could win twenty three

683
00:46:38.039 --> 00:46:42.519
twenty three games last year. So
maybe, you know, going back to

684
00:46:42.599 --> 00:46:46.000
earlier point, just peaks and valleys, maybe because of the valley happening this

685
00:46:46.159 --> 00:46:51.480
year, it means there's a peak
on the corner next year exactly. Well,

686
00:46:51.760 --> 00:46:53.840
you know, I mean certainly has
shown that it's capable, right,

687
00:46:53.880 --> 00:46:57.480
I mean, we saw, we
saw what they did Washington State over the

688
00:46:57.519 --> 00:46:59.920
weekend, you know, coming off
that, you know, the beating that

689
00:47:00.280 --> 00:47:02.559
they gave to you know, to
Arizona, you know down here. I

690
00:47:02.639 --> 00:47:07.199
mean, they've they've proven that they're
capable of that. But you know,

691
00:47:07.360 --> 00:47:12.719
again you see it and then you
don't and again some inexplicable losses in your

692
00:47:12.840 --> 00:47:15.599
mind, you know, analyzing that, you know what, you know what

693
00:47:15.760 --> 00:47:19.199
Arizona's coming coming up there with.
You know, they've got a lot on

694
00:47:19.280 --> 00:47:21.920
the line. You know, they're
they're back in the driver's seat for the

695
00:47:22.840 --> 00:47:27.119
regular season PAC twelve championship. What
has to happen for a s U to

696
00:47:27.480 --> 00:47:30.559
have a shot to win tonight?
Yeah, Look, I mean, first

697
00:47:30.599 --> 00:47:36.239
of all, I mean I don't
think that I guess the twelve point betting

698
00:47:36.320 --> 00:47:38.480
line that's out there is really out
of whack by any means. I mean,

699
00:47:38.519 --> 00:47:43.519
sure, I think DAC is not
going to repeat an historic forty five

700
00:47:43.559 --> 00:47:47.199
point loss as they did into some
let's listen to. But the other hand,

701
00:47:47.320 --> 00:47:52.880
I think the talent disparity between both
teams is definitely, you know,

702
00:47:52.199 --> 00:47:59.039
very very evident. You know,
we look basically at the front court plenty

703
00:47:59.159 --> 00:48:00.920
with the guy like a gomor Balu, and sure, I mean he's a

704
00:48:01.000 --> 00:48:06.119
play like that has given fits probably
to every front court and in fact well

705
00:48:06.480 --> 00:48:08.920
a lot of non conference opponents that
that matters too. But with ASC,

706
00:48:09.280 --> 00:48:14.920
I just feel like it's definitely a
soft slop uh down down there in the

707
00:48:14.960 --> 00:48:20.840
paint and the guy like Bodu and
just Eva and in general just to really

708
00:48:20.920 --> 00:48:24.039
have their way as they did in
the paint in the first meeting between those

709
00:48:24.079 --> 00:48:29.320
teams, that's something that it can't
happen at all now. I don't think

710
00:48:29.360 --> 00:48:31.800
it's realistic to think there will be
one hundred and eighty degree turn from the

711
00:48:31.880 --> 00:48:38.760
dominance that you've exhibited in that specific
department someway fromhow really just has to minimize

712
00:48:39.079 --> 00:48:44.519
the damage that the battle can do
down low and just in general, that's

713
00:48:45.000 --> 00:48:49.119
the front point play and then points
in the paint for the Wildcats. But

714
00:48:49.239 --> 00:48:51.280
the thing is, I mean,
if Pantas is going to have, you

715
00:48:51.320 --> 00:48:54.519
know, somewhat of a sagging defense
is because there's so a concern within specific

716
00:48:54.599 --> 00:49:00.719
aspect. Well, now you killed
Love which has an absolutely ridiculous rage on

717
00:49:00.840 --> 00:49:04.400
his jump shot, and if that
guy just knows bombing and bombing from three

718
00:49:05.119 --> 00:49:08.360
point ranger with regularity. Uh.
Then you're just really in a huge bond

719
00:49:08.400 --> 00:49:13.480
and trying trying to pick trying to
pick your poison. On defense, you

720
00:49:13.559 --> 00:49:17.480
know, obviously just you know,
the general uh and obvious uh, you

721
00:49:17.559 --> 00:49:22.119
know, aspects that they have to
worry about is really making sure that that

722
00:49:22.360 --> 00:49:24.599
they do they do take care of
the ball with something they really have done

723
00:49:25.000 --> 00:49:28.880
by by and large, you know, you know, fridly well, and

724
00:49:29.000 --> 00:49:32.119
really make sure that that their defense
that does come to play. I mean,

725
00:49:32.199 --> 00:49:37.760
you know, Frankie Collins obviously,
uh now the all time school leader

726
00:49:37.360 --> 00:49:42.239
uh in in single seasons fields,
obviously the best, the best in the

727
00:49:42.320 --> 00:49:47.079
pack, camel right. You know, the Asies defense definitely had definitely has

728
00:49:47.119 --> 00:49:51.960
to that has to come into play
because as we know, this is a

729
00:49:52.000 --> 00:49:57.000
Sun Devil offense that doesn't do too
well at all with with the front kids

730
00:49:57.079 --> 00:50:02.079
the front I'm sorry with set uh
set plays on offense. I'm obviously if

731
00:50:02.079 --> 00:50:06.760
you throw the zone at them,
they definitely show difficulties over there. So

732
00:50:07.480 --> 00:50:10.280
if the face you can really can
really just you know, make sure that

733
00:50:10.679 --> 00:50:15.679
they're fast. Great points are maybe
the more dominant aspect of the statue.

734
00:50:16.079 --> 00:50:21.239
That's something that definitely can go a
long, long, long way. But

735
00:50:21.880 --> 00:50:24.800
just you know, this topic that's
three headed monster of Valu, Caleb Love

736
00:50:24.840 --> 00:50:30.440
and Apendel Larsen is definitely gonna be, definite, gonna be PEMMT. I

737
00:50:30.480 --> 00:50:34.400
know it's no different than any other
team scouting report face in a new way,

738
00:50:35.000 --> 00:50:38.039
and when you look at the success
half hours an it's definitely one of

739
00:50:38.159 --> 00:50:44.119
those maybe unattainable goals because of all
the wall Cuts have had this year.

740
00:50:44.679 --> 00:50:45.920
All right, well, you brought
this up a second ago, and I

741
00:50:46.159 --> 00:50:49.000
want to ask you about it.
We've got a couple of minutes, about

742
00:50:49.000 --> 00:50:52.880
a minute or so left the Catholic
director situation. You said there's still two

743
00:50:52.960 --> 00:50:58.199
or three months away from what are
they doing? Well, I think I

744
00:50:58.239 --> 00:51:00.800
think you just have really two aspects
in play. First of all, you

745
00:51:00.920 --> 00:51:05.119
have still looming into the blaze sanctions
you know it's right now, and then

746
00:51:05.199 --> 00:51:08.639
negotiated phase for lack of a better
term, where the into the anas are

747
00:51:08.679 --> 00:51:15.840
trying to agree on the quantity and
equality of the sanctions. And it is

748
00:51:15.199 --> 00:51:21.760
somewhat unrealistic to have an insect director
of quality, I should say come into

749
00:51:22.280 --> 00:51:28.480
the psych department to run it without
knowing what really await the football program,

750
00:51:28.559 --> 00:51:32.920
because that's obviously, uh, you
know, the main that just makes makes

751
00:51:32.960 --> 00:51:37.760
everything sick. I also, you
know know that they Anderson, the outgoing

752
00:51:37.880 --> 00:51:43.800
phylic director, did not leave the
Psyche department in great operational shape, not

753
00:51:43.920 --> 00:51:49.199
a great uh financial shape either,
And there's definitely a lot of work that

754
00:51:49.719 --> 00:51:52.840
has been done and will continue to
be done just to really you know,

755
00:51:53.199 --> 00:51:57.320
tie a lot of loose ends and
really clean up and have it just a

756
00:51:57.480 --> 00:52:02.199
more attractive infrastructure for any quality petic
director Canada that he who was thinking.

757
00:52:02.280 --> 00:52:08.800
So unfortunately it's just a slow moving
process in general. There's definitely some logic

758
00:52:08.880 --> 00:52:13.559
to it, but definitely did not
help ease the mood of the Sun Devil

759
00:52:13.639 --> 00:52:16.400
fan base. When you saw the
Wildcats all hire in the flag director,

760
00:52:16.800 --> 00:52:20.800
I's think, what just done it? Two? Two, three weeks after

761
00:52:20.880 --> 00:52:27.239
that they may dismissed. So you
know, that's uh an extra extra satience,

762
00:52:27.280 --> 00:52:30.559
and I think everybody simply hope that
patient's going to pay out. Yeah,

763
00:52:30.039 --> 00:52:36.079
it's definitely something that's going to acquire. There's a lot of a lot

764
00:52:36.119 --> 00:52:38.559
of fortitude for a lot of issues
to be cleaned up right? All right?

765
00:52:38.639 --> 00:52:42.280
Ho do we appreciate it? Hold
Ravino from Devil's Digest, Sa,

766
00:52:42.639 --> 00:52:45.599
SA, say hi to our friend
Steve when he gets up there. Take

767
00:52:45.639 --> 00:52:46.519
care of him. Don't let him
get in any trouble, and don't let

768
00:52:46.559 --> 00:52:52.239
him storm the court. All right, thanks a bunch, appreciate it.

769
00:52:52.000 --> 00:52:55.280
All right, that's Hold Ravino,
Devil's Digest. Big game time. I

770
00:52:55.679 --> 00:52:58.760
think you can't take care of business, and I think they probably cover.

771
00:52:58.960 --> 00:53:01.679
I've decided. I've decided the twelve
twelve and a half. All right,

772
00:53:01.880 --> 00:53:06.039
out there, go get it all
right. I appreciate you guys being here

773
00:53:06.239 --> 00:53:09.079
for sticking around. Steve, thank
you for leaving, and we'll be back

774
00:53:09.079 --> 00:53:12.960
tomorrow. We'll break down the SCU
game and then talk a little bit about

775
00:53:13.440 --> 00:53:16.119
the women's game going into USC tomorrow
night. So thanks for being here and

776
00:53:16.599 --> 00:53:17.280
come back tomorrow.