Still down there, Taylor. I like that you called me Taylor too when
you called him Taylor hundred percent. Yeah yeah, because I was like,
I was like, stop fixing your mic. You're like easier Taylor. Oh
yeah, I did that because that's what uh, because I know you did
it on purpose. Yeah, I enjoyed it. Just let me if you
cause attention to it, it's different than if I like, if I drop,
it's just ignoring. You gotta do that. I can ignore it,
but then I can hear you fiddling with it every time I go look at
kirkle I guess I guess it's not I guess it's not a skill you have.
Hello, ladies and gentleman, and welcome to the X Man Retrospective.
I am I am the forgettable Kyle Smith. Damn, you can't just start
now. The next person has to go. I'm wepping eleven. I'm just
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gentlemen, if you see me eating, it's because I've not for the audio
or video listeners. I've not aten all day, so I'm no. I
will move away from that, so I apologize. I never do that.
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the ones that help. Yeah, so now we're getting into I was building
it out, but Kyle, just right this, let's do this. I'm
ready. That's fucking we are talking about X three X Men origins, Wolverine,
the early years. This, IMDb is wrong already, the early years
of James Logan. That's not who he is. It's James Hallett or Logan.
But fine, I'm IMDb already Yeah, featuring his ribbalry with his brother
Victor Creed, his service and Special Forces Team Weapon X, and his experimentation
into metal line mutant Wolverine medal line? Is that aligned? Oh? Medal
lined? Okay? Sorry, what do you think I said? Lime?
It's funnier than what I thought he was. He's just a medal line,
like all one word and just because staring me in the face. I had
this in trivia. But I'm just gonna throw this out for you guys for
some perspective. David Benioff wrote the screenplay for this. He is one half
of the co showrunners for Game of Throne. Yes, interesting, h huh?
So Benioff wise, they do Game of Thrones, so you look,
fam. You can write excellent origins, but you can still go on to
do Game of Thrones. Hey, man, just like, I'm not gonna
get basketball stuff. Anyways, continue on. That's it, Kyle, What
do you think of this movie? Wow? So, to give the fans
and the listeners a little bit of background, I'm pretty sure this is the
first time I've ever watched this movie completely, this is new, never seen
it before. I was like, okay, like started thought I seen it
first scene. Nope, I've never seen this before. So it was it
was a ride. This are you thinking of the japan One? I know,
I wasn't. I thought this movie was going into it. I forgot
that there was another Wolverine that was the japan One. I knew it wasn't
the japan one because we've seen that in theaters together. But this I I
definitely didn't see beforehand. So I was going in blind to this and you
loved it. Hated it? Oh, I and say hate I hated it?
It was it was awful. Yeah, it was so there was so
much going on. I don't even know where to start. We'll get into
it. We'll get into it. But I was not a big fan of
this movie. We'll start at the beginning when we get into it. Yeah,
it's all over the place, like this movie yeah, I just I
know. I kind of started watching it was like I'm really confused of like
what's happening? Like how is this connect to X three? Like because I
just watched X three, now I'm watching this And then I'm like, wait,
are we going back? Like who's this striker person? Like he looks
completely different from the striker that I saw? And X one, I'm like,
what wait, what is happening? So X two x ry X two
And thank you for the correction. You didn't pick up that it was a
prequel though, no origins? How yeah, X one? How long did
it take you to realize it was a prequel when Deadpool came out? Or
did you just realize that now? No? No, no no, I
didn't realize it now, but like it at first when I started, I
was kind of confused. Didn't realize it was a prequel. I know.
That's why I asked, when did it in this movie? When did it
click in? Well at the very beginning when it says like eighteen eighty seven
or whatever, Well that's where I was confused of. I was like,
okay, well, like I guess I just for me, I didn't know
much about Wolverine's background story, so product of its Yeah, so this is
I guess I'm a perfect example of someone who's never seen this movie is very
confused first time watching it, not really realizing that this is Wolverine's prequel movie
to the X like, uh, the X Men series. So what did
you think the title was? Then? I guess I just I didn't know
what to expect from this movie. I had no idea. So such an
interview between Travis chound down on his crusts over there, Kyle getting interrogated,
anything else, No, we're all get into it, okay, yeah,
my my overall thoughts, it's just yeah, it's pretty pretty terrible movie.
I'm not even gonna say this product is time, because I guarantee there's better
movies that came out. What was this two thousand and nine? Yeah,
it doesn't going to be a prog of its time. No, it's definitely
not a decade. But uh, that's not excellent decade? Decade? Yeah,
and what month, Kirkham, I don't know, Travis, what is
it came out in me? Less than a decade? Wow? He I'm
not gonna lie, though. I enjoyed myself while I was watching it,
because there was some pretty some pretty ridiculous scenes that happened, and it was
so ridiculous that it's like, oh, why are they doing this? It's
just like it like shocks you and you're like, I can't believe this is
happening right now, and you just start laughing because there's no other like reaction
to have, so like that type of enjoyment, not like, oh man,
I can't wait to watch this movie again and enjoy that the same way.
It's just like what the fuck is going on? Right? And then
it's just like your first reaction is just laughter. So there's a few scenes
we'll talk about when we get there, but like for a movie standpoint,
especially like what you mentioned, how we go to like X three to this,
like X three compared to like the first x the first X Men movies,
I should say it like X Men one in X Men two. Wait,
sorry, totally losing track here, But are those both directed by the
same person? Yes? And the third one is not correct, so that
makes sense why they totally seem different. Correct. Okay, so I know
that's not directed by Brian Singer. No, this is directed by Gavin Hood.
What did you just say to me? Gavin Hood. It's directed by
Gavin Hood. Okay, who who? What other movies did you do this
kind of for him? I think another one after but he was kind of
director jail for quite a bit. But it wasn't really he said, that's
what they call it. But they he's been on record and said the studio
was really tough to work with during this movie. So I think it's not.
I'm not gonna throw all my everything on him for being a problem.
I think has a lot to do with them. They also did Enders Game.
Recently, he did I Am the Sky and Official Secrets, So I
don't know. I just Game wasn't that bad? Well there you go.
Yeah anyway, so then I guess sorry, I really want had I give
my overall yet continue? I forgive you. Yeah. So going from like
X Men three to those first two, it just seems so different. But
then you take a jump even further. This is like a completely different like
era of movies. Like it was just so weird going from the first three
movies that we've seen. Obviously the third one is different than those first two,
like if you take out the director change and everything, but it was
just the style, like the comedy, it just seemed like darker at points,
but like at the same point or at the same time like Cartoony definitely
yeah, and like Blob yeah, oh yeah. Yeah. I don't want
to say anymore because I know we're gonna get into it, but my overall
view is just is a mess and definitely don't ever want to watch this movie
again. I don't know, I'll have to buy some time because I think
Travis is, uh, you saw a fire going off or something. Okay,
my important Joker picture was just looking a little crushed. So yeah,
there's not much more I could say about this movie that hasn't already been said
by these two gentlemen, or by critics for years, or by comic fans.
It's just a really bad movie all around. There's so much to pick
apart. I agree with Kirkle and I think there is come so bad.
It's good moments, but that's about it. I think I will just because
Kyle's buying at the bit to get into this, so I'm gonna keep it
short. I'll just say the biggest perspective is the Dark Knight came out a
year before this movie, and it's crazy to think that you were thinking and
same thing. Iron Man came out a year before this movie and just thinking
that, man, we were in this golden age of comic movies coming up
and shows that doesn't matter when how much the genre changes, stuff can still
sneak through. And this is just crazy to think the high high Dark Knight
and then on the low lows of this. Uh, yeah, it's a
bad movie. Let's talk about that. I did not even realize that's about
the product of its time. It's not after Iron Man and Darkness and there's
no there's no productive it's time anymore. We're in that time where it's like
you're you knew better. Yeah, so even X three, I go,
you know what, it's fine. You were kind of figuring stuff out.
You Inspire Man were like the first to really kick this off. But after
Dark Knight, Batman McGinn's Iron Man, incredible haulk like, it's time to
smarten up, you know, So, Kyle, you start, well,
well, I'm just like mind blowing it to like put that in perspective.
Yeah, man, yeah, I guess for me. So is the studio
completely different ors just because the directors are different, Uh, it's same studio,
same Fox studio. It would be the director. But then I also
just think the studio at times when a franchise gets more successful, I think
they put their fingers in the pot a lot more. Bean, you should
do this, or you got to do this, And that's where he's never
been specific. But the director just said it was very tough to make this
film with It didn't feel like and who knows he could add a crap vision,
but it felt like he, yim gonna make this movie. Okay,
do that, and then they come and be like, oh, but we
want you to do this, or want you to change that, or like
Ryan d had a good vision and then they just screwed it up because they
want him to do something else. Well, yeah, Ryan Reynolds has been
on record for many years saying that he was telling them the whole time,
like this is a bad idea what you're doing with Deadpool, everything like this,
but they're like, no, no, this is what we're gonna do.
And you know, maybe eventually you gut your film down the line.
And he hated it, but he said the only reason he played is just
because he didn't want anyone else playing it. For the fact of if they
did make one, which luckily they it did happen years later, and it
took them leaking the footage for it happened. But he just did it because
well, I want at least get a chance to do it, So that's
why he did it. But this so it sounds like from multiple angles,
this just wasn't a good productional role. Hugh Jackman's been a record after the
movie saying he was I think it's my trivia. He was disappointed with the
movie and the way it came out. So all round, it just sounds
like it just didn't just didn't click. It just sounds like get every day
they're hungry and everyone was a bad mood and it just didn't work out.
So wow, not a recipe for success. No, no, no,
no, no, they're not getting that. Those foggy meals, they're getting
like a hungry man a little bit over. It's expired. I'll say.
The best thing to come out of this is like a shot to you Jackman.
He was just looking great. Yeah, Kyle, when you asked me
a few days, really, what are you doing with your hair? Like?
You know that that's that's gonna be the goal now, you know that?
Seeing his hair? Jackman? Oh yeah, growing not that, but
just the hair. His hair is a wavy and nice and I can do
it. Look at this is the mini version right now. Oh yeah,
I'm working on it. But yeah it's it's not the POMPADORI hasher whip.
Yeah it'll get there, it'll get there. Uh but uh yeah, I
guess. So let's just begin this and go because there's so much to jump
into. Let's just do what we always do now, begin this movie.
We have to flash but we're not even it's not even a flashback because the
movie ends. We begin with Victor and little little Jimmy, his dad,
Little Jimmy. His dad's packing him in, not pack know, he's what
the fuck is that called talking him in? He's tucking him in. He's
dad's a pedophile Jesus man. So anyways, his dad seems like a nice
guy. Victor, your dad's downstairs. He's drunk. Again, that's not
my name. He's calling, sir. It's like he's like, you're always
sick. I'm sorry you were. You were like this when you're My age
reminds you when Taylor does Gauntlet promos, you know, and then you got
whatever. Some creed's down there. It's just a big reveal that Victor Logan,
Jimmy and Victor have the same dad. Victor kills the Logan's like adopted
dad his mom. I was some because like, what are you Logan has
his bone claws just at the right moment, because it's like all this is
going on in the bone, this whole everything, everything about just this opening
is awful and it's just cheesy and it's bad and it's just it's not needed,
Like I guess it. I guess it is needed to establish them as
a like a brother duo, but they like at all this way. No,
I didn't feel like brothers. This way of doing it was not needed.
So yeah, not good. I seriously didn't even know they were like
actually blood brothers still now, like I'm not even kidding, Well they're not
movie okay, well in the comics, they're just they are on WEAPONEX together
and they're always rival. Yeah, but like watching the movie, like okay,
my brother is just like okay, that's what you say with someone like
if they're that close from like I don't know at that age, I guess
you could call them the brother but like I didn't know that was his actual
like birth it's pretty much, pretty pretty much a mess. I can't even
I'm just like beachless. So at the beginning when they're going through this movie,
what when we're going through this movie, like these kids like they don't
even establish Like I guess they kind of establish with their brothers, but like
not really at all. Well it's just that quick scene of just we're brothers
now because they got the same father, and then they stick together were brothers
because they had the same mutant thing. Yeah, no, they're the same
dad. Why wouldn't the dad say the same thing, like let him know?
Like why does this? This is what I don't get. Why is
Logan final the first time? That's not his dad, like they been lying
in this whole time. Well, that's just like drown So clearly his mom
had affair with Victor's dad, right o, Kate? Yeah, And so
what I take No, No, no, same mom or yeah, sorry,
different mom. Yeah. What I'm taking from the scene is the mom
has affair with Victor Senior, and Victor Senior wants to tell Logan or Jimmy
that's his son. She's not letting him. That's why he breaks in.
He's drunk, he has the gun, the dad doesn't know, he kills
the dad, and then Logan gets the blown the blow clause, the bone
claws kills him and you know son and the big reveal, and yeah,
they could have said that way better. Yeah, I'm not telling what they
were trying to explain it better. Yeah. I don't even think they needed
to be brothers. I think they I don't mind it because they try to
pull that uh that vine a couple of times in this movie, which I
don't mind. But yeah, this whole the I don't like the setting of
it. It feels very cheesy, but I just think it's all all done
very poorly, and it's very quick, and I guess I just didn't realize
how old Wolverine is. Oh yeah, that's that's the thing. Yeah,
Okay, well, which I guess now is good to know. And that's
the one thing like I do like and curly you might talk more about the
the Jimmy stuff, but I love the credits of this movie, them going
through all the different wars that I love. I don't. Yeah, I
think that is the best part of this movie. And then it just knows
that But I remember the theater spent this week is gonna fucking kick ass.
Like look at this, like they're going through all these different eras. It's
smart, but yeah, the opening not good, but I wanted to be
clear that, Like, to me, the opening was the Jimmy eighteen hundred
stuff. The credits fantastic, the best parts of the movie. Yeah,
you know, I like, like on script, I would say that I
like the intro scene because like I knew about like Logan's like backstory about like
he actually is from like eighteen hundreds, grew up in like or was born
in Northern Canada, y'all. Like, so that's those cool you know,
shouts out the homeboy, the local guy. But uh so, like in
my mind, uh going into it, it's like this is kind of neat
that they're touching upon like his actual like origin story before he was even Logan,
Like but when his name was actually James what's his last name? How
Okay, I'll forget that in about two minutes, but uh yeah, like
I kind of like that and then uh but like the way they delivered it,
and like the way that like Victor just see like he just seemed like
just such an asshole, like right off the bat. It's just like you're
like you're so weak, blah blah blah, and then like I guess when
they escape, he's kind of like, well, it's just you meanaw,
like we kind of have to look after each other, so you're kind of
forced to be like that. And then you don't really like I don't know,
like you don't really get the impression from little Jimmy that uh like he
kind of feels the same way. It's just like he's just he's so confused
because he literally just found out his dad was his dad. He killed his
real dad and his mom doesn't want anything to do with him because to go
down so and like literally less than a minute. Yeah, and he's sick
and yeah, and he's sick. We don't really understand that. We don't
know why. I think the idea was like his mutation was happening on so
then that happened to Victor. Is that why he said this happened to you?
And yeah, okay, that kind of makes Yeah, between the lines
are like so they escape off for the woods and then yeah, answered that
like the I guess it's like the multiple scenes where they show like the different
wars. Oh, it was so sick and like seeing Hugh Jackman wearing like
the World War Two like they're in the or he's uh, he's got a
cigar on the boat going through like the D Day Normandy. Oh, that
was so sick. And Victor's there with him. That was actually really well
done as well too. Yeah, and the Vietnam Victor is starting to just
go a little psycho he tries, and that's where it was dark because they
do imply that he was gonna sexually. Oh yeah, yeah, it's just
great. And that's where it's like this movie gets really dark but very strained
at the same time. And also for a comic fun fact most people probably
know this, but in the comics, world War Two off, so they
couldn't do in the movie. But he does meet Steve Rogers then they know
each other, so I don't really meet back up in present day. It's
like, oh, I know that guy. That's pretty cool. Yeah.
So hopefully and uh, hopefully if we get a Wolverine x Men movie,
they flashed back to World War Two, you can bring in, uh,
Chris Evans, even if he's dead we don't know at this point because recording
before endgame, but he could bring him back for a fun flashback of Oh
yeah, I'd be Captain America. So I'm sure the fans would love that.
I hope they do that. Everybody loves Chris. So that point they
showed all the wars. The Vietnam thing does not go well. Was it
Wonder Woman in those universe? Yep? They kidnapped them after the Vietnam incident
and there's a firing squad and wake me up when it's over, and they
shoot them, and then we're introduced to William Striker, Young William Striker.
He's talking about an opportunity to really make a difference blah blah blah, Like
he's saying, it's like your country needs you. And then because when I
was watching this, when I was watching it, I was like, this
doesn't make sense. They're not even the same country or whatever. And I'm
really glad that he mentions that later because afterwards he's like, I'm Canadian.
Yeah, I don't know, it's just funny and I think I didn't touch
upon but yeah, I think the reason is they don't flesh out the brother
thing. But I think it's just to show that they were hunted down so
they just depend on each other, even if like Logan doesn't necessarily like Victor
is just he's the only person I have because when people are gonna try and
kill me, he saved me, right, And so that's why I think
it's very thin. But that's why they're supposed to be together, right.
It's not that they get along, that they are, but it's just like
it's just and especially at that point, they may have been some of the
first MutS around the world, right, so they would have not they would
have thought they were maybe just those two versus the world. And now there's
all these people popping up. But yeah, he says, I got opportunity,
blah blah blah, he can be a part of this task force team.
And then we get introduced to a bunch of people. Get Agent zero,
you get blab before he's blobbed. So he's just Fred. We'll get
good Wade Wilson, Yeah, you get will I am who is awful.
He is awful in this movie. Every scene he is in it's just nails
on a chalkboard for me. I just think he's just not cut out to
be an actor. His delivery is just dry, and it's just it's just
not good. It's not good. Stuff. Yeah, who else is in
there? I got way, I got where I am Agent zero blob Yeah
that's Wade. Yeah yeah, okay, say you're toothy? I think oh
and blink Dominic Moonaghan Mary from Lord this movie. Oh yeah, And then
we get the whole mission of them. They're taking out this base to get
these jewels. What do you guys think about this? What do you think
about the team? What are you thinking about this mission whole? Just the
sequence we'll get into, like you know, the breakup after, but just
the definitely nothing special, like they basically just let Zero just take care of
like everything. Right at the beginning, he just goes in. I guess
it's kind of a cool like sequence because it's just great scene. He's flipping
everyone. Yeah, just he just bops off on everyone. And uh,
I don't know, I didn't feel like anyone really did anything else other than
Blank. He's like take us down. He's just like controlling the ship for
some reason, even though they have a pilot. I didn't really understand,
But uh, I digress. I see a lot of notes on your film.
I'd like, do do I talk about the whole scene even like when
they up until like once they get that they're looking for adamantein they don't say
it, but up until like the the camp scene where things go to ship,
so that whole so uh yeah, and then I don't know, like
I kind of like Ryan Reynolds Wade Wilson before he's actually Deadpool. It's just
classic Ryan Reno where he's just he's got those funny little one liners and he's
himself so like he's he's funny, he's Deadpool in that scene. I remember
like, obviously we get to the weapon leven stuff later, but I remember
the first time I saw this being like I need a Deadpool movie, right,
and thank god now we live in a world where we have to.
We just talk about extra with two of them. Yeah, we just talked
about extray a Juggernaut like Juggernauts on these movies. But it's just like it's
so crazy though when I remember thinking in that theory, like I hope we
get it, and it just felt like we never were gonna but even and
that's why I still think that when people are worried about I think he's gonna
stay rated R. But I still think Deadpool can work in PG. Thirteen
because yeah, he's not swearing and being like gross. But I like all
his one liners in this movie. I like like, oh, Graham stuck
in elevare with five guys stuck on a high protein die just like somebody uh
oh somebody is Oh, I like that. I like that you dressed in
green. It matches your eyes. And then she's like, do you ever
shut up? No, not when I'm awake or not only when I'm asleep,
like just he has great one and even and there's one moment too when
he does which is great, does the cool like swords and whatnot, and
it started to saying, oh, you'd be the best soldier if you didn't
have the mouth mouth and he does a salute. No, why salutes?
You just like throw it like it just like he just like we've talked about
this another movie. But he is, He's just Deadpool. And that's why
I still think even if they plug him to Avengers, they can work around
it. Like I don't think for me, the sex and the radar stuff
is good. I still think that should happen. But I think he can
make that character still work. And uh, and they still say shit in
the MCU. They still do stuff. They still have like Peter Quail and
Guardians has some pretty like racy jokes and whatnot, so I still think he
could work. And Ryan Reynolds is that's what along the war thing. That's
the best part of this movie too. It's just this five minutes he's in
where he gets to beat it's actually five minutes unfortunate. Yeah, oh yeah,
he was on posters everything and yeah, wow, it's kind of off
the track of the movie. But uh, did you ever end up seeing
the PG thirteen Deadpool thing? Yeah, and I liked it a lot,
Like it was pretty mixed with some people, but I same thing. I
think it can work because they added scenes and just the way they edit around
stuff. I think, to me, the character even in comics would be
like always so rare in comic books. Kyle knows. It's like they still
bleed. They don't show the F word. They'll show a bunch of symbols.
If there's nudy, they might show like a bear. But but it's
never like people make it out like all the comics are so radar. Really
they're not. They're really like a really high PG thirteen, Like I think
it's just fanboys that are just like, oh he needs to be you know,
talking about girls like you can be, but like those are still censored
quite a bit, so he can still easily work and I don't there's never
been the F bomb dropping an MCU movie, but you do get one in
every PG thirteen movie. And if you're gonna he's the perfect character drop that
and he can make a joke about that. So I really hope that does
happen, just because I would love to see him and Chris Evans, him
and Downey together. It's just like that's a wet dream like that just be
crazy just thinking about like the movie thor Ragnarok and planting like Deadpool in that
type of movie, Like there's so much chill. It's crazy when you think
about, like like think about you in the theater watching this movie, like,
man, I need to get a Deadpool. And then now we have
two Deadpool movies. Now think about like where we're gonna be at when who
knows that Deadpool will actually be there? Like you said with the oh well,
they said they said, no matter, I don't know if he'll be
in that. I think there could be a better chance of them bringing those
characters into a Deadpool movie. Then Deadpool going into their movie because they could
have some fun with it. But I'm they've said they're gonna make Deadpool movies
just because Fig we went on a record when we record this, He's like,
why would you break something that's not broken? Sonikey rare And they know
it's a character, and they've pretty much been on record saying they're keeping Ryan
Reynolds. He's the only thing when we're doing this retro, He's ligitally the
only thing surviving this purchase is Phoenix. That whole cast gonna be gone.
But they're smart to no, Reynolds is where it is. Reynolds is Bear
and that's same thing. It's what this is a role where. That's why
he did this. The reason he isn't so much just because he had the
barackapool and whatnot. But it was written this way for not being in it
that much. It wasn't like a scheduling comfort anything like that. But he
still did it because he's like, I know it's just like a cameo,
but I want to have like my stake on that role, Like I want
people to know like that's so that's why he's not in that much. Because
they didn't intend on casting Ryan Reynolds. Imagine he didn't even take much money
for this. He's just been very passionate and it's crazy to think ten years
later where he is just like everyone loves him and he's it was one time.
I think it's still one of the biggest RDAR openings. You know,
it has broken all these records and it's crazy thing, like our parents know
who Deadpool is. We're in this movie. He's just some guy with katanas
who jokes, you know, like there's no fan fair given to him,
especially when we get to what they do to him later, but there's no
fanfare to this great character. Just he's another care He's just another task acts
member. So crazy the impact though that like Deadpool has on it, because
like I work with like older people that like aren't really into comic books.
We're like, oh, I went and saw Deadpool was hilarious, and then
they'll talk about it and I'm just like, man, like Reynolds just killed
it. He's come a long way from this. Yes, I mean those
five minutes were yeah, maybe who knows, like who knows where it would
have been if you didn't do that right, Oh yeah, they would have
probably cast some other actor Dane Cook, you'd be in there. And the
movie was probably the most important thing of his career. Easy because there's a
chance if this doesn't happen, he doesn't get Deadpool and you know, so,
yeah, that's goot a little random about it. That was really good.
Do you have stuff to add on this civil task Force? I think
we were in the Oh yeah, So I liked when he came to the
room and he just pops off. He just goes in there, looks like
a Jedi just sliceing bullets, cuts those two guys with the one bullet.
That's pretty neat. They do that exact same and scene in Deadpool two.
I don't know if you remember this, but he does the whole thing where
he does that he cuts the bowl in half and it goes I've only seen
that movie once all through. So he does that, and then he also
does the thing where he he's doing a cotanas like this, but in this
in that movie, Katele just shoots the fuck at him and he like,
when he's done, he looks down, he's just like covered in bullets.
So it's like a nice tribute to Uh. It's so great when they do
things like that. I guess I'm kind of confused because I thought d Wade
like used like every weapon, not just like he was very specific in this
movie to be like, oh, I only use this cantanna or whatever his
sword, And I was like, okay, like that's kind of weird.
But I think they just won much screen time, so they just want to
like bring up any loves the swords and too. They want to make that's
the reason why he has them in his arms later because like all those are
his weapons of choice, right, So I think that's it's got like a
bad tas. I didn't write this movie. I know that's that's like when
everything started like really like clicking over, it's like wait, like this like
I know like Ryan like does all this stuff, but like this kind of
changed things completely. Okay, where are we going with this? And like
meeting all these other characters going through like it felt like what's the movie expendables.
Yeah, when they're all that, we're all on the plane, like
all the trouchy guys and they start like making fun of each other or whatever,
like a hoorah, like just met her last night friend, Yeah,
but I love her. That's exactly what it felt like, but I don't
know, it was all right the whole like opening sequence, I don't know,
I just don't I didn't really think about this part. Yeah, yeah,
so I I agree with what you mentioned though. It definitely felt like
a little Expendable's Crew where it's just I don't know, a bunch of Yahoo's
all coming together and that thing. I like the idea of this task Force
X team, but it's just for a first act thing like he meets Striker,
he's in the team, and then they break up right away. Like
I wish we almost would have saw a few missions of them doing stuff and
see some report that's a whole different movie. But I think that's a better
movie than what we got because I liked I liked the munes. Like I
said, I actually like Agent Zero. They make them cool. I like,
you know, Fred just hits a tank. But whatever. Just the
fact that we meet them and then we break them out the first meeting is
is crazy because it's just like, I don't know, had they done more
missions before this, or was this the first time in Lowan's like fuck this
Like I don't know, Like it's just it's very strange, and even the
history, they give of this like Task Force X Team, it's it's and
like I said, it's this point because I think I like, I would
have liked the idea of just these muons that are mercenaries, Like that's what
I don't know if it's gonna happen, but that's what X Force kind of
is. So maybe we'll see in the future. But yeah, I think
there was potential there, but nothing, nothing really came with this. No,
nothing stuck. No, just to give characters. And then at that
point they are they're trying to find Adamanti and they didn't find what they're looking
for. They go to the camp, well they did, like well,
that's why I think they were looking more of it though, right, because
I think because then they go down to like the People's Tribes camp whatever,
everybody is now just turned into a fucking psychopathic even way. At one point
they just shoot him and he's like he's like cutting people down, and it's
just like everyone seemed like and that's what me and that was I wish there
were some build up ar and I get it, Logan leaves, but it's
just like everyone kind of is acting kind of fine, but so the guy
will not tell them, and they's like, oh, we're gonna kill all
your people. Logan doesn't like this. He stops some people, he says
he's gonna leave. He ass Victor if he's coming. Victor says no,
Victor yells a bunch, And then we got to jump forward. I don't
know, a few years old. It was so funny. He's like,
you know, we can't just let you leave. What did they do they
want? Then it shoots to an awesome shot of the Canadian Rockies and Hugh
Jackman coming out four o'clock in the Morris some of his hair just looking perfect,
his body's looking perfect. Oh man, he hasn't changed his hairstyle at
all, you know. And then we meet, we meet what is the
name Kayla? Yeah, silver Fox is our mute name. But Cayla.
What are you guys saying about Kayla in there? Obviously there's some windy Kyle
Euster. Obviously there's some twists. I don't know if you want to bring
the twists with her now not? Then we're about you spoiling stuff. I'm
just gonna let you get the floor. Whatever you want to talk about,
Kayla, you go ahead. Me and Kerk will follow. I guess like
it was just a very like she was in like a bland character for me,
Like there wasn't really anything happening. It was pretty bored and just more
of a filler for Wolverine to have some sort of love interest. Yeah,
and I think actually this is where like it really started kicking in where it's
like, oh, this like this is like the prequel to like all of
this other four stuff, uh sorry for stuff x x x men because that's
the Yeah, this is where it's funny for me that this is where it
kicked in this whole prequel and but like the whole that the whole like them
and their interconnection that they have, like this relationship does not really feel real
and it just feels like definitely a facade. Well like yeah, and you
could definitely tell that. Like I feel like Hugh Jackman sells this love really
really well, like he's in love with this girl. You know, he's
doing better, Like yeah, things are changing up for him, so he's
like moving forward. But like for her, like she doesn't seem like this
at all. She's like, oh, yeah, I'm just here like I'm
a I'm a school teacher. And it is revealed though that she did love
him though, yeah, well you missed it. But anyways, I'm gonna
be a dick. I'm getting a chord so we don't die over here.
You missed a Travis. I just think they don't have good chemistry whatsoever.
That's what I've been saying. Yeah, you also missed that. This is
the point that or Kyle thought or Kyle realized it was a prettyquel, like
this is really like what kicked in. It was like, oh, this
is like, yeah, yeah, not the not the from the eighteen hundred's.
Well, it could always be flashbacks. Well, you don't start a
move with a flashback, then you'd he'd like wake up, Okay, Well
that's why I kind of thought was going on. They did that with uh
Jean Gray X three that's a flashback, but then we flash forward right away.
Could like it would be like if the scenes started with a little Jimmy
and then you got up to him like waking up in the cootiniesh what.
I guess that's what I thought. Would them like, I guess that flashback
would be them in the beginning and then going straight to the X Force or
whatever that they have This isn't worth discussing, and they alsong Kayla. No,
she's pretty bland. Yeah, I don't think she sells this love like
yeah, even though she says he loves she loves her, But the whole
chemistry is awful, like there's nothing going on, Like it's just it's just
super flat and I feel bad for you, Jackman. It's a far cry
from Jean, who they even had like all right chemistry. But yeah,
no, I not much to add like she was very just bland, like
nothing really special. Like I agree with the chemistry, it wasn't anything that
I was like, Oh, these guys would be perfect together. It's just
like she just feels like such like a filler for like a love interest that
they needed to have, right, so, which explains the plot twist.
Yeah no, But it's just like I don't know if this is the actresses
kind of doing, or is the writing doing or a bit of A and
B equal C. Yeah, I like I try not to like, unless
your name is Jared Lettle, I usually try not call you up. I
don't. I've not. I've only seen her one other thing. I don't
think she's the strongest actress. I think she's a beautiful looking woman. I
think that's what the man jeans would have been. Oh yeah, that kid
would have but maybe an interest that maybe she's a good actress and they just
didn't have chemistry, but whatever. And I do think it's writing because same
thing. She's the same thing as task Force X. You don't get much
time with her, right, It's like this is all in chunks, you
know. It's like Logan Victor together, chunk. Okay, that's over,
task Force that chunk, that's over. They she gets killed off pretty quickly.
I should have timed it. But from the point we meet her to
the point that Victor like takes her out, it's what fifteen minutes because I
can't build any relationship on that in the movie really, Oh never mind,
I was I was combining the two, like, uh fuck, what would
you even call those things where the lumberjacks work the lumber mill? Oh yeah,
like you seen. I thought he goes to work, and then that's
when she hits the fan, but I forgot that striker comes. Yeah,
and then yeah, someone's bad's happening, because I guess because what happens we
meet them, they're kind of I guess they're in love blah blah blah.
They're thinking, well, Logan's thinking about having kids, right, because he
sees that kid and he's like, oh, that could be my life,
Like just what I definitely miss that oh because yeah, he's going to pick
her up from school and he sees like a kid run to father's arms and
he's like, like you just like the obviously, Like okay, so he's
thinking about it. They don't mention that, but I think it's that you
get them tumbled that fucking whatever how he gets his name the Wolvering, the
kuwats or whatever, but your story of the Trickster and I kind of like
that. I don't know. I didn't I liked I was fine there,
I didn't like it at the end when the twist happens with it and he's
like and he's like, I thought I was the moon, but really you're
just the truth. Like yeah, they're trying to make this deep mythology really
work, and it didn't work in the final agree because at first, like
when they're kind of having that moment and she's like kind of explaining and then
it comes down like the Wolverine and then I'm like, Okay, that's kind
of nice, but like that so could have just been like one and done
and then they had to bring it back and it's like, oh they're they're
trying so hard. Here. Can we skip to the twist? Is that
too soon? Since we can talk about because we're talking about her, because
the only thing I was gonna add is in between. The reason Striker comes
to him is because Blink gets killed off Domiguanaham before we get back to her.
He's just like at a carnival, Dude, I don't even understand what
that game is, like try and turn off the light. Well it's not.
He's just always gonna get money, right, I know, but like
the idea, it's like I'm gonna give this guy a dollar, like,
so try to prove him wrong. Right, Yeah, I agree with you.
I'm nember gonna get this fucking doll. Like, clearly he's at a
carnival. He's just sitting there. Clearly it's rigged. He's at a carnival
as a job. I'm not gonna fucking do this. But his little douchey
guy like oh no, and then he unscrews the light and it breaks it.
That's I like that he's like that's the lame trick. He didn't figure
it out, and then no one She's like, it's not a trick man
whatever. And then his girlfriend's like, ooh, save your tooth kills him
and that's when Striker comes like, hey, we need to team up,
you know, so he doesn't even know what's save your tooth at this point,
and then we lead to her getting killed. But that's why I'll bring
it back to twist, because we find out that she was not killed.
Kyle, you want to talk about this. Even the delivery of her giving
that she is in love with him was awful, Like it was so bland,
like I didn't believe it. She was like, but but I did
love I did. And he's like, and you can see Strike pulls out
his gun, like you don't say anything. You say, pimp, You
can't say remember remember the deal that you had my sister? And like,
I like did this so I could say my sister. But like it was
so like I don't know if I've ever seen calls triggered by just like your
whole acting of William Schreker there. Well, that's the problem with this movie,
Like the problem they just have to like all that stuff's laid on so
thick, you'd be like, Okay, I assume that there's something going on
here that she does love him, but they gotta lay on think like,
no, she does love him, that's why he's showing like she can't say
anything. Yeah, and then okay to even go this is like towards the
ending. I legitimately thought when Logan went to go to get her again,
like to pick her up from the rubble, that it was gonna be weapon
X or sorry, excellent eleven eleven weapon excellent just still love them just eleven.
I thought it was gonna be eleven? What do you mean? Like
I thought he would like was using his control mind control to they think make
Logan think that he didn't have mind control though, but he had all the
mutant powers in him what mutant had mind control, but like he only had
the mute powers of the Task Force X team. He didn't have like a
bunch of them or like some of the ones that kidnapped like Cyclops. But
we didn't see any telepathic mutants there, so we could assume that he doesn't
have that power, even though Emma Frost is a telepath. But they don't
show them this movie and who's Frost again? Diamond Girl? Okay, but
even with he doesn't have telepathic powers, But doesn't this girl have the power
to like touch and then convince them that there's something on? But Deadpool the
Weapon eleven doesn't have her powers. Why wouldn't she because he they didn't experiment
experiment on her. She's been out there playing with logan, right, or
they wouldn't extract her DNA so they can add it on. I guess not
Schreker's lie everything. But that's what I was. I thought in that way,
like when she went to go pick her up, like it wasn't actually
hurt. It was like Weapon X. But the problem is with you're seeing
the thing that I'm paying out. So he looks in the rubble and he
sees Weapon X and he still goes pick No. No, oh, yeah,
I guess that's really making it. Oh. I thought like it was
like like a trickster, like it would be like a jo. But remember
she was the trickster and I was the fool. Yeah, And that's why
like even like him, like even though he's like, isn't he like shirtless
and like carrying her like no, he has a tank top on a tank
top, carrying her into the sunset, and like she's like flopped over.
Well because me Kirkland pulled a Kyle. He had to watch the last fifteen
minutes at my place and it's so funny. So like I know, we're
all over whatever that that's this movie. So that whole fight happens, right,
and the whole big rubble falls down at this point. What happened was
Kayla was with the kids, helping them escape and she gets shot accidentally.
We don't know that, Oh she got shot. Yeah, oh that would
make Emma Frost. She blocks the bullets and going into her Yeah, they
don't show that right away, but they reveal that, like because she's like,
oh, well, I don't even think Emma Frost knows that she got
shot. I like, are you okay? I must have minced that part
because I was so confused why she died. She just died? Yeah,
yeah, that would be a big question. And that's why I was like,
what happened with this movie? Then she fell from this rubble okay,
and now she's dead. So what I was saying, So she gets shot,
right, and then she tells Emma to gocause she wants fine Logan because
she loves him whatever whatever. Yeah, and so this big fight happens and
then just at one point they're smoking, she's just like and he looks and
she's just on the ground and it's just like, what are you doing here?
Like quite happening. And I said to Kirkland, imagine if she ran
out like Logan and the rubble just fucking collapse on her and he had no
idea where she was. It's like, stay with those people you've been shot,
like, don't or at least stay in the facility. Don't go on
this fucking bit like no popping off with his optic plastic. And then yeah,
she dies because the one gun shot took her out and everything like that,
and yeah, all around such a mess and the other thing that was
a mess because we went over it. But I've hated this even since the
day I saw it. Her death scene makes zero sense, one hundred percent.
She's covered it with which one the like the fake out? No,
No, the first the second one does make sense. She got shot,
right, so whatever, she got it. Yeah, you just thought she
just had expiration da die. But like the first thing, like, okay,
so they shoot her with some like thing to sol her heartbeat down and
then say just like throw some blood on her and like that's it. Logan
doesn't check at all for no cuts, no nothing, He's like heightened senses.
How a he not feb to smell that's not actually blood? And even
then, okay, let's say she is dead. What did he do?
He left his dead wife in the woods to go take on Victor. Fine,
you can go take on Victor, but at least bring it back to
your place. Bear, he just left her life was probably be picked apart
by bears and birds. What a he'sa ship, like the whole all that
is such it's such a mess. It's such a mess from beginning to end.
And yeah, it's just yeah, and it's one of those things where
she when she does die, I'm like at the time, I good.
I don't need to see that. You're not emotionally involved with that character whatsoever.
Like she's so bland, she's so just like a filler for like a
love interest, and it's just like she's a plot device to get him to
be angry. Yeah, that's it. Yeah, do you want to go
back? Did you have anything you want to add on Kayla up again.
I think we've I think we've talked enough about Okay, so that point,
like I said, a bunch of stuff happens. There's some scenes cuckoockachew the
Wolverine, all that stuff. Blink gets killed or a blight. Sorry not
blink. Blink is a different X men. I think it's blat. I
could be wrong, but it's not blink. Uh. Striker makes it off
for blah blah blah. I like that scene at the at the lumber mill
though, when Striker comes and talks to him, and then even like when
Zero was sitting there, Yeah, yeah, then go sit in the car
or whatever, and then yeah, that's that that one line and that I
I already mentioned. But when he's like, your country needs you, and
he's like, i'd just drives on how I care. Yeah, and then
Kaya's supposedly dead and then this leads to the big bar fight with saber Tooth
and Wolverine, right, and then uh uh Striker kind of meets out with
Wolverine in the hospital because they tamed the hospital and they open up his shirt
and all his wounds are here. I like, the doctor's like, what
is this some type of choke, Like, I like that. Boy,
do you guys think about that initial Saber Tooth Wolverine fight scene? Kind of
like the bar like this, I like the setting a lot. It's just
like a barn bar and Uh just kicks down the door. The guy's like,
whatever you got going on? Do you have insurance in this place?
Yeah? That was funny. You should And then can you guys take this
outside? Yeah? He just pulls out his claws and everyone just fucks off.
So yeah, I like the setting of it. It was a pretty
quick fight overall, but Uh saved just fucks him up. Actually he doesn't
even have middle claws still, just bone Jimmy, bone Jimmy. Yeah.
I thought the bar scene was pretty good. Like the fight anyways, it
was like decently well done and like it show a kind of the motions between
the two of them. Yeah, a bit. But like I guess now
I'm thinking why, oh right, because he's sure that Victor killed his wife.
Oh yeah, but at this point, before we got the twist,
we have no idea why Victor would do that. Right, Well, when
Striker came, he's like, just doesn't he say Victor's on a rampage or
something? Why wouldn't Victors go after a Logan? Oh because mind games,
right, Yeah, I guess because they want they want to trick Logan to
get that. No, I know that's why they want to. I mean
in the movie when we're watching at first, it's like, why is Victor?
He's just an enigma? He does what he wants what he wants.
I will say this, I guess I didn't even say this to my overalls,
but I think Lev Shreiber is great as Sabertooth in this. He's not
in this enough. Like when Logan shows up, he's like, you don't
call, you don't write, and he has that like right or of he's
kind of cocky, but when he gets angry, you believe it. He's
so much better than me than X one sabre Tooth, who's just like like
he has no character whatsoever. I love everything. His crawl and run is
a little strange at times. It's why work, but it's cool. I'm
into it. I like his clause, like I actually love him and I'm
so disappointed. And Logan, they had a scene planned for him, but
they never filmed it. It's gonna be the scene where they needed to hide
out and Sabretooth owns the casino, and he convinces Logan, like please,
like let me stay here even though they're at odds and like, so for
one last time, he helps out his brother, And I think that would
have been a little convolute for mainstream people, But as a fan, I
would want that because I actually think they got good chemistry together too, when
they're fighting or when they're because I think you guys have more problems with them
beinging brothers. Actually do buy them being brothers. I buy the big brother
mentality where he's the big brother who protects them, but he's just a hot
head and Logan's always trying to keep him calm. I think it's very rush
but I like their chemistry and I like him a lot as saber tooth al
throughout this movie. I don't know, I like, I don't have issues
with like them being brothers. It's just like I was very confused that they're
actually like blood brothers, actually like related by the same dad or whatever.
I guess if it would be, it would be different others, but I'm
not well explained. Yeah, definitely not so yeah, well we'll write that
one off. But uh, I just feel like, like Logan just like
loves him as a brother so much more than like vice versa, Like I
feel like you couldn't give a fuck about Logan, Like, but he saves
them a few times, right, like well you don't save him against weapon
at eleven and then and then there's that line where two times like no one
kills you but me, and then okay, Logan's I go after this,
we're done, and he's like, We're never done. We're brothers, So
okay, it's like this, Like it is just I feel like he is
like looking out for him all the time, even though he's like done a
terrible job at it, but he's he's looking out for you. Convinced me,
so I'll take it. I wanted to ask the how do you uh,
I don't know, I'm not really from like saber Tooth in the comics,
but like, how do you feel about the look compared to like X
one Obviously he doesn't have a big role in it, but compared to like
the more of just like a regular dude. It's it's it's off because I
could don't think they could ever do the comics because in the comics he just
is like so furry and it just has a huge hide, So I I
I don't mind. I think in this movie it works better for him to
look more human like than No. I agree. Yeah, and then the
next one, because the next one, if you have that guy walking around,
he's gonna stand out like a sort thumb and they've given him enough like
animalistic qualities with his nails and just as he looks. Yeah. Yeah,
and just like Grizzled look exactly. So I like it for this movie.
Yeah, I hope. I hope. With Fai's X Men, we just
see saber Tooth furry as like can be, but this time I think it
was needed to be. No. I agree with one hundred percent because like
X one, like if you just take them as like the two characters and
what they look like, I totally prefer the furry dude. It's just like
he's so much more just like what my idea of Sabretooth would look like,
right, but like in this movie, agree with you, and especially like
he'd stand on like a soort thumb in that bar. Yeah, and yeah
you're not you're not around from here eight. But shit, also just like,
uh, you keep mentioning this on like Kylo Rin when he wears the
mask, it's just like you, you get that more emotion and like the
acting of like unless he's just covered in makeup and everything, you don't really
get to see that. So I agree with you. I agree in this
movie, I prefer the more human saber tooth as opposed to furry. The
other thing I'll add on the fight is I like the kind of the log
DEAFETI like that truck comes by and he takes off the logs. Yeah that
was gruesome, but the most brutal thing still gets me every time. I
have no idea what it feel like because I don't have bone claws, but
when they're out and he just curves stamps them off, Yeah like that big,
Yeah, Hugh Jackman cells that great. And then after this, so
Striker, there's a very awkward scene with Striker and Wolverine in the hospital where
Wolverine just many times he throws them up against the walls, like why do
you tell me it was Victor? And then he's like I didn't know,
and he throws up against another wall. What are we gonna do? But
I don't know? And then like it's just like it's a whole massive every
wall yeah, it's just like a distortionroom thrown like filled scene. But then
we get into the okay, the only way you're gonna be able to take
Victor, which again I feel like that's just the movie doing that. They
shown't get his ass kicked him and be like, oh, he could never
beat Victor. It's like you both can't die, like there's no like way
around us. But whatever. So the way in this movie is, oh,
the only way you could defeat Victor is you got to get this procedure
and he can, you know, take and everything acause he heals. So
then we get the procedure of Logan gets in there you know, I'm the
wolverine now, and we get the actual procedure going on with the drills,
lots of CGI going on, so we get so much. He had Hugh
Jackman looking swollen as fuck though he had a huge ash shot and his ass
is like more mustly than anything I have in my body. He's taking out
guys left, right and center. Well I guess the reason another thing we
will talk about. But so he's under and then he hears strikers say,
oh, erase his memory, so he gets up, he kills everybody and
then he you know, cuts an X on the door, right, and
then he jumps out of the water, falling a scape. What did we
think, because we talked about this when we were doing X two, what
did we think about this version of the because the next two remember Kyle,
you forgetbut he runs out the blood and he's like and he's you know,
all forgotten, Like this movie nothing like that. So big assumptions about how
Travis feels about the same. Yeah, so how do we feel about the
the I guess him turning into Weapon X and the anima. I'd say,
like even just the whole procedure in general, I just felt like it was
so fast and like he goes in the water, gets injected, it's like
done, he's flat lined, gets out, escapes. I feel like that
whole thing happens in like ten minutes real time. Like it's so ridiculous and
probably yeah, I'm being very generous by saying ten minutes, but uh,
like I don't know, Like I like the whole scenery of just like the
tub that he goes into, like it just especially since we've already seen that
in like the past movies, so obviously I'm glad they kept that part the
same, but like when he escapes and he's not covered in blood and it's
nothing like that. It's nothing like that scene. I remember you touched upon
this little memory. We were talking about it. Yeah, so, and
it's just, yeah, exactly, he knows everything that's going on. He's
just he doesn't even seem that wild, like I know, it's it like
he goes on rampage, kills everyone, like slices his way out, but
like he's not a wild animal, whereas uh, obviously, uh is it
apocalypse when they see yeah, that was a good version when they read version,
yeah, when they broke out and he's he's full on like psycho like
that, like like he's not Logan anymore, like he's Wolverine. And that's
the other problem with this entire movie that so I always saw, I don't
know how you're gonna do it, because if you go the way of the
way X two was setting up as far as like, okay, so he
was this guy and then he got this procedure and he forgot who that guy
was and he was just finding his way. I get what they wanted to
do of the whole, Like always still wanted to be Wolverine. But I
think the better version of this movie would have been shown be a different guy
before the procedure and then termin Wolverine and have no memory, or the movie
start with him getting that procedure and go forward. But they want their like
to make their cake and eat it too, because they want the procedure.
But then they want him still to be fully functional and still be Wolverine or
Jimmy and have all his memories throughout the whole movie. Then the last minute
of the movie, Oh, he has his memory. I hated the way
that they and I just don't understand. That's why I'm super confused. It
takes away from the whole procedure. Well, that's why there's no reason that
it's just them bad, right. It takes away from the whole procedure,
and to me, that should have been built up to be like his like
Frank gets sign like this should be a huge thing, and it's just like
it just feels like nothing, even though he just gets out of that tang
and starts killing people and he just moves on with his day and like it
not like moves on his days being hunted, But it just feels like it's
just like, oh, just another day. He kind of looks at it,
but just there's just no weight to the procedure, and like even like
when he gets out of there, uh kind of jumping ahead, but like
when he gets the barn, like he's cold. That's about it. He
didn't go through this traumatic experience. He's not all scarlet, he's not covered
in blood, even though he just killed. However, many people like if
it's PG thirteen move, I don't know how far they can go with that.
But that's besides the point. It's just like it was so underwhelming,
especially like the little glimpses that we got to see from I don't know if
it was X one or X two x two when he runs out, yeah,
and the next one you saw the procedure. Yeah, and like the
one thing that I noticed that they kind of get the same as when he's
like jumping out of the water and he's just like ah, yeah, just
full on Wolverine the cold shower, like we found out on the first trivia.
But uh, yeah, it was so underwhelming and I was just like
bored watch it, Like this is such an important scene. This is what
makes Wolverine Wolverine, and it's just like I said, being very generous the
whole thing. He's in and out in ten minutes, no post surgery,
like no nothing, He's got all his memories. And then and then I
know, adding this striker like get rid of his memory. It's just like
and then like super corny because then later on when he's just like, oh,
Striker and Victor working together, it's like, you know, shit,
this guy trying to like wipe your memory, like it just is no usual
to me, Like you should have then still had him and Striker working together
and then make that reveal. But if the guy's already trying to erase your
memory, well, Quinn, you kind of put two and two together.
Oh gee, maybe he is working with It's yeah, I'm gonna quickly jump
ahead just a the two. But it's like how they didn't wipe his memory
like at the procedure and how they ended up actually wipe his memory. I
hated that so much, like, oh yeah, that could be probably one
of my biggest rks in this entire movie. It's just like just shoot something,
Yeah, we'll get to it. Bullets car, you have anything out
of this procedure? No, I got fired up. I'm sorry, I
went on, well, no, I think, like, as we're just
talking about now this, I guess the whole memory thing is what's like really
screwing up this timeline of what's happening. Yeah, so it's not really much
more to like beat up on this. It's just like when you watch this
movie. Okay, you're not supposed to remember anything, but you remember everything,
and then all of a sudden, you like you get shot twice in
the head and now you absolutely don't remember anything You've like now for sure restarted
and you don't know who's who. But you're still pretty much the same guy
you were. You're pretty much the same guy, but for some of you
just don't remember. No personality changed, no, nothing, just oh,
it would make more sense if like but if he like actually forgot the first
time of like what was happening, like after the procedure, after the procedure.
Yeah, and then like even when the girl came in and like when
it's like, oh, it was a twist, and it'd be like,
I don't know who that is, and it's like that's a twist within a
twist, twisception. It would not be this exact same movie. But have
you guys. Ever seen Memento? Yeah, yet to see a great movie?
You should. It's Christopher no Olean movies. That's what the Wolvery movie
should have been. It's him trying to figure out his memory. You do
the you know the movies start with the like if the movie starts with the
experiment, because the thing is too when you think about X two any next
one and X three two? No, I guess I don't really talk about
his memory X three, but the first two it's so much about like logan,
who was I blah blah blah. The answer is so boring when you
think about, like, oh, what happened before the procedure? And even
then they try to hint that maybe he was a bad guy before that procedure,
but no, he was just tricked and like it's same old, same
old, Like you didn't do anything. You were on a task force,
yes, but you were the good guy who left after the first session,
like you did all these wars, like the answer to whenever you watch those
movies now that like, oh what was I before the procedure? Nothing exciting,
Like nothing I ever want to experience again. Also, he did for
the retro and I still watch this time time for shits and giggles when I'm
like, I gotta watch them all. But it's just it's just so boring,
and it's just because they just didn't want to. I think they just
didn't It wasn't a sexy blockbuster to cover to do. Oh, this guy
has memory loss and he's trying to figure out. I think they just want
the action. They want helicopter chases. Oh, but we can't do that
if he doesn't have a memory. You can still find a way to add
those scenes in there. You just have to like recontextualize them. But they
just wanted these Oh that's exactly it. You know. It's just they felt
like they couldn't crack the code, and you know, you know, but
hey, the guy's writing Game of Thrones now, so maybe he can crackh
different chords. So yeah, so after that he escapes, I'm trying to
think, Oh, so yeah, we get to the barn, he meets
the people, nice, you know, family. Oh man, you fit
my son's clothes. How do you know that? Right off the hop?
Where is your son at? Why do you did he die? I thought
they I thought it was like supposed to be insinuated. He died in a
war or something. I thought, don't they drop a line like that or
am I wrong? I don't remember. I don't remember that. You could
be right, you could be right, but I don't remember them saying,
oh, like this is my yeah recently just yea, like oh, he
like so bad and like so like he has dinner with them and like we'll
just disregard all that ship. But like when at the end he brings them
his leather jacket's like put that on. That was my son. And then
like the mom because it's like it fits you really well. I want you.
I bought you breakfast. Why are you bringing bread in the barn?
In the did you just have like dinner? And then I was asleep,
but like you should be like you think the guy just be like, hey,
she's prepared to breakfast, but for her to bring like they're just waiting
on this fucking guy who just broke into their barn. Oh, I know
it was so bad. This guy just really reminds me of my own sun
And I'm just gonna go off and like he's like giving, yeah, oh
yeah, I used to drive that. Oh I think you're too young for
that bike. So I do like when he sits on the bike and he's
like, oh, you put on a little weight, He's like, yeah,
more than a little or something like that. You're heavy. I put
on a little weight recently exactly. So the part that I hate and everyone's
talked about this. So it's in the bathroom when he breaks the fucking sink.
But his claws are the worst they've ever been in any of the movies.
We watched so hard in this movie, they just look like like sig
things planted on his face. The two thousand and two, oh yeah,
the X one like X one x two X Street. At times you can
see it, but there's it was in that bad no no like for you
could you could catch it if you're really lucky, but most time they blended
in these are not compositive. Well, they just look like when bad photoshop
you can tell something's in place on top A think that's what his claws up
again, But like Ironman came out the year before that, and like iron
Man was like all cgi, so like you go to this and incredible Hulk.
Yeah, I think earlier later on, when Wolverine's breaking into the places,
he uses his claws to like go through the door and then like cut
through. But like the claws on the CGI are like completely different of like
what they usually are, like all of a sudden, like they're super thin
and like their night and he just breaks and then later on they're like,
yeah, so I just had to mention the CGI whatever. But yeah,
so this poor family bites the dust enginec he just kills the fuck out of
them. He snipers them and they blow out the barn. Insult in insult
injury, and then we got a chase scene and we got him taking out
Agent zero. Shriker just keeps being like, come back to base. It's
just like why, Like it's just like that's why. It's just this whole
movie feels lazy, Like why would he come back to base? Not only
did you try to wipe his memory, you just said agents here who killed
these innocent people? Why why would he believe you at all? And that's
where it's so frustrating when you think about we talk about Striker and X two.
He's always plotting, he's always like worming his way in things, but
it's done smartly, and he seems like an intelligent guy. This guy is
so fucking stupid. This version of Striker, He's no, he's just like
reacting to things all the time, like I know I'm jumping ahead, but
when he kills that general, what the fuck? It's so stupid. Like
the whole scene it's just very poorly acted too, but just like I would
protect my country from anything foreign or domestic, and he takes his blade and
he stabs him, and there's just apparently a dead general on the ground that
no one else is ever gonna be, Like, hey, what's the deal
here? Like this Striker is just so awful compared to what X two was,
you know, And I guess, like even at this, like you
think, like I guess the Wolverine character would be smart enough, or like
I guess I don't know his memory loss, but even at that, like
to kind of start putting all these things together like this, like he doesn't
really have memory loss the first time, he has no memory loss. He's
no memory loss, but yet like Striker is still wanting to go up to
him, and he's like still like not wanting to work with Striker. Is
that what it is? What do you mean? Why does like Striker keep
going back to him, like trying to get him to come and be Oh,
it's all good, like before the experiment and everything after the experiment,
because I don't know, because Straighter just keeps saying, come back to base.
We can get we can get Victor together. But it's like, why
why would he work with you? Yeah, he's supposed to like unleashing the
beast, even though he's very tamed. Yeah, definitely not a wild animal.
Did I answer your question though? Oh? Sorry, it's firefighting.
It's a chimney fire. Did I answer your question? Yeah? Sorry,
I don't know if I did. But do you have any and add on
Agent zero the helicopter chase, his death death bike clause in gravel, I
gotta say he liked turning with his claws on that bike. I don't understand
how that would have changed anything on the way that you would normally turn a
bike, but he like us his clause like drag does it turn? H
Yeah, it was just little things like that that. I was just like,
fuck man, this fuck this movie. But uh yeah, nothing more
to add on that eight and zero anything out on his death? No,
okay, screw him. This movie was just like a bland of one one
Like for me, like this whole movie is just really confusing to watch and
follow for the first time, like sounds like you gotta. I had a
tough experience watching this movie. I didn't know what was going on, was
very confused, and like a lot of these like storylines or like plots that
they have, it just didn't make any sense to me of what they were
trying to do at all. So Logan track, Oh, go ahead,
No, I just just don't like this movie yet. Logan tracks and will
I am to get some background information? He just says, oh yeah,
Sabretooth was losing his mind. I left the Task Force X because they are
cunning down munes and munes and they gotta and only and only one person has
escaped the island, and that's this guy named Remy Leblau. Remy Lebau,
not Le Blow, that's the porn parody version. But no one knows where
no one knows where he is, or they just say it's a guy.
No one knows where he is except for Fred, so they always see Fred
some terrible boxing ring sight. This movie is awful. Watch this because it's
I don't know why Fred just won't give him the information. Fred s,
all right, guy, but you call me Blow. We have to fight
now, why bub not? Bud says bub, I remember you? But
and then yeah you call yeah, and then they fight and Logan cheats because
he don't say anything. He's put on a lot of weights. Shitty,
Sorry I spiked him, like, but like this is oh, I can't
believe this whole secret. Hey, fred, I remember that girl and she
was a lot scary. Yeah, that was the best line. That's I
mean because when you're telling me about how awful this was, and they said,
Hugh Jackman can only say it for me. This is an awful movie.
But I guess that's the only reason why I can still watch it is
because even if he's given some bad stuff, Hugh Jackman is still good in
this movie when he's delivering those comedic lines, like he still feels like Wolverine
and he's good. That's why I can still watch this movie, because at
least it's like it's another Hugh Jackman as Wolverine. It's just everything else.
But yeah, talk about this whole blob And then he beats Blob and he
gives him the name of Blob. Will I am all this? You know,
I don't know much more to say. You don't have to like a
little like the one liner that you mentioned, it was great. I actually
like, I thought it was hilarious when he's like, what you just call
it? You call me blob and I don't know. I was like,
what the fuck? But uh yeah is uh Shay hated this scene. Believe
she was watching this with or she was studying, and she's like, I
can see the CGI and the pillow in him and it's just like so brutal.
Oh it was. It was not good. Oh this isn't awful.
This scene has hit his h had his big gulf. This has no reason
to be here at all. No, there's it didn't zero reason except for
we need to have Wolverine fight a little bit more because he hasn't been doing
much pretty much. Originally this scene took place at a grocery store. No,
no, yeah, it's in the and then the games the same way
I will say the game, the game for this movie is fucking amazing.
It is one of the best superhero games of all time with Wolverine. Play
it. It's really really good. Xbox three sixty it's damn good. Twenty
four hours stream bring it, I should, It's it's a great game.
There's times where you can get like bombs will explode, You'll be just appear
like metal skeleton fighting and he'll be healing while you're doing that. That's it's
great. Do you get to be Blob? No, he just in the
grocery store. It was written that way, and they made the game.
Then they changed it on them, so they get the name. It's Redmula
Blow Fuck Remy Lebau Slash Gamut. They head to Near Orleans to track down
the Sky because they need to find out where this island is because he wants
to I don't know, fine Striker, I don't really know he wants to
find Striker. He wants to find savor Tooth. I don't know why he
needs to get this island though, because I feel like he could just trick
Striker and be like, yeah, I'll come back there and kill him.
Whatever. We got a lot of stuff here. We get here. We
got a lot of stuff here. We get the cards scene with Gambit at
them playing poker together. We get uh save Tooth killing will I am Why
breaking a spine, and then we get a big triple threat fight scene with
saber Tooth, Wolverine and Gambit one what do you guys think about all these
scenes? And two what do you guys think about Gambit go ahead? Well,
like the fight scenes in general, I did not realize, like saber
Tooth is even there. It's late because Logan's there to find out where theytor
is you Victor's outside? I know that, I guess he is, Well
he is. He goes yes, That's why I'm confused, Like he's well,
he's the island because he thinks that's where they would be. But it's
just like apparently Logan just has to stay put and everyone will come to him.
Well, I swear though he asked Gambit like have you seen Victor or
whatever? And then and then he came with will I am? Will I
am clearly knows that he's there. He just like goes outside and goes fights.
Yeah, Logan, I found him. Yeah, no, I'll take
him on. And then he's like all like cocky and everything. Oh I
know, he's like one thing I've always known about you, You're so predictable.
And he just like grabs him pretty vicious deathty and just like you actually
remember all these lines were Batim Kirkland. I watched this last night at like
eleven thirty. So yeah, yeah, exactly, Well, I am Gambit.
I didn't mind the actor that was playing him. I actually kind of
liked him. I liked his look. I don't I'm not very familiar with
gambits. I don't know what he shouldn't look like, but I don't know.
I like the length of his hair, and I liked his little like
cocky, uh demeanor. It was just like, I don't know, I
really don't know much about Gambitt, but I liked him. I like a
little animation when you like lift all the cards and like threw them at logan.
I love the cards. It's supposed to be like a card like.
That's what he does. He can put kinetic energy into anything. So that's
why I staff his cards. So those are his main weapons. Yeah,
I thought it was only cards. No, I didn't really understand the staff,
so that makes sense. They don't. They don't explain it. That's
really that's a really cool power. Yeah, now I'm jealous. Yeah,
I wish I had that. It's pretty sick. He's a great character.
I love Gambut. He's top five fairret X men. Uh. I think
Taylor Kitsch does an all right job. I think, uh is that the
actor? Yeah, I think you need someone a bit older for Gambit.
I'm a big fan of the nineties animated series. That's where I get gamped
from. I think I need more of like a like a man almost like
I don't know which way to describe it. And even then I think it's
all right. But when they're gonna make the movie with Channing Tatum, I
still have not ever heard of one saying like a gambit choice and like that's
perfect. It's just like I need like I haven't. I don't think we've
hit a perfect Gambit and all this stuff is just like like a wiser.
I'm sure can find the perfect No. I think they need to be older
and more smooth. I think Taylor Kitch is all right, but I need
to believe that this guy can talk a woman into bed. I don't think
Taylor Kitchen can do that. I think he looks can do that. It's
yeah, yeah, But to me, Gambit is more the ruggedly handsome.
I don't think John Ham would be a good Gambit, but that type of
look where it's just like that manly handsome you know, like that's you know,
kind of sixties seventies, like business like George Yeah, but definitely not
George Clooney acting wise, right, So I just I need this actor that
doesn't exist yet. So honestly, a young Brad Pitt would have suffice like
Fight Club era. That would have been like the way he's cock in that
movie. He would not so much like the being like swearing and being all
gross and like I'm Tyler Dirt and but like just that look is ma chies
Milt. That's what I kind of picture with Gambit, and even Channing Tatum,
I don't really see that in him. So and this all this stuff
is a mess. The fight scene is a mess. Kirkling, I'm surprised
he didn't bring it up. But the guard rail where him and Gammer are
fighting and I forgot so he's just cutting down the ladder. Yeah, and
it's just terrible. Cgi literally cuts down the entire fire. It's just know
where the parts go. They just vanished. But it just they set gamm
it up terribly because they go to the parking lot, say we two's there,
and then Gammut's like, I'm not going back to the island for too
long, and then Wolverine just punches him behind him and knock him out.
Why don't he just a shit on this new character introduced? You made the
above a joke and I don't care about what I am. I was happy
he died, so uh yeah, this is is not good. Not good.
Another action scene for the sake of action. I gotta say, though,
that fire escape scene I've never left so hard, like in the X
Men movies. I think like that was the funniest thing I've ever because it's
like, I don't know, it reminded me of I know, this is
kind of out of date for when this is gonna be released, but the
WrestleMania when there's a I think it was Seamus. He was just beating on
one guy and then it went to another guy and he just kept doing it
four times and you're like, okay, it's funny, and then you don't
expect it to keep going and it just makes you laugh. And this is
exactly how that fire escape because I'm like, how much left is there?
And he's just like huge fire. He literally is just mowing down this thing,
and I just laughing. She's trying to study. She like looks over
she starts laughing, like it's just so ridiculous. That's why it's like I
kind of enjoyed scenes of this movie, and that was definitely the one that
I was like, holy shit, I was not expecting this. Yeah,
I guess my question is why would Gambut try to stop this? Oh I
guess he was worried Logan would bring him back to the island. Yeah,
but like, okay, so low for interpretation, I guess this is very
open because I guess like Logan has now found Victor, like rip will I
am, and now this is like this is all what he was. And
we never get a scene of Logan like morning he doesn't care. We never
get it mentioned at all. No, no, no, that's actually a
point. But yeah, so he's like he finds Victory, like this is
the only person you've been looking for this whole time. Oh, he's gonna
kill him and then kill Striker. Okay, so I guess he still needs
nowhere that island, right, so you can get to Striker, I guess.
So yeah, but he isn't Striker trying to elude him back, so
oh yeah, he could just jump on the plane. And even then,
like the way when he's just like I know you are Gambut. He could
just be like, hey, I want to kill these people. Do you
want to help me out? But he just does not tell him that to
after this big fight and everything, it's oh, I know, yeah,
it's quite ridiculous. There's so much that could have just been avoided. Oh
yeah, did you like, how'd you feel a gambut? He was all
right, like I think that the powers that stuff that he was he was
doing is cool. But at the same time, like, I think you're
right, like the whole like, yeah, Wolverine kind of just shits onhem
in the end. It was just like, well, what was the point
of Yeah, well over beats him twice. Yeah, it's like, okay,
well this guy's weak as fuck and he's just gonna do whatever Wolverine tells
him. But it's pretty funny when they're like going to the island on the
plane and the guy's like, oh do you not like planes? He's like
shut up and like he's just hanging on for dear life, which is very
strange because it's much like Obi Wan and Star Wars and the X Men movies.
They never once stalk about Logan being afraid of flying, but he is
in this movie the same way Obi Wan in the Prequels is afraid of flying,
but they kind of miss it and like all of like these movies at
least though no just in Origins though X one one, two threes, I
feel like he's he makes some sort of comment about like the flight, but
I don't think he's ever scared of fly. No, he's never scared,
but uncomfortable. He's you can tell he's uncomfortable. I'm not gonna agree with
you two on this song, but I think X two I think it was
an X two like someone does like a spin and he's all like woozy or
whatever. Not do that again. Yeah, that could just gets I think
that could just be happening when like those missiles are going on right yeah in
the tornados. Yeah, so that could be like, don't get hit by
a missile. You know they can reach it. Okay, I couldn't want
to. Like how strong is Gamba and like the X Men series, Yeah,
he's pretty strong. I don't I think him and the logan would be
pretty class would you consider? Oh that's so good. I think he would
be better than Pyro so if if he's higher than a Class three or Class
four he's where pirates. I don't think he's the strongest Magneto. It's tough
for the Wolverine where to like class him because I don't think he is the
strongest mute. He's just durable as fuck, you know, like like there's
so many like Xavier could beat Wolverine so easily. Magneto could so easily.
Like the Phoenix, I guess couldn't beat Wolverine, but like if you take
out Gene, she could just like keep him away, right, Like he's
just he's not that great. It's just that you just can't kill the fuckers.
It's like he's gonna win just by like the longevity, Like he's gonna
keep coming back. So I feel like I feel like Wolverine could beat him
in a fight, but I feel like they should have made it a bit
more bounced. Yeah again, but I think it's pretty strong though. If
he can, like look at the end when he just breaks that entire rubble
wall, you know, like if you can turn anything into energy and throw
it at stuff, I think you're pretty powerful. So and I would say
for any Marvel Ultimalliance two fans out there, great character players, you can
just spam throwing his cards all the time. I love it. I hope
he's returning. Three doubt it, let's say. And then after this we
get a weird, weird scene. So, uh well, okay, I'm
I forgot to mention this earlier when Will I Am and the Blob we're talking
about what saber Tooth and Victor have been doing, blah blah blah, so
I'm bringing it up now. We get a scene where saber Tooth that's hunting
down Scott at his school. Scott's having headaches for some reason. I don't
understand this save you Tooth hunts him down the middle school and then kidnap Scott.
I don't understand because I think they're trying to say when he's like,
I got a headache, like they're trying to say he's getting his powers at
that moment, because if not, I don't know where he got the glasses
to start his eyes, and if not, I just feel like it's so
convenient that his powers are just starting up as Sabertooth is showing up. And
even then it doesn't even matter because if his powers were just showing up,
they wouldn't know he immune powers. That whole scenario is not good. That
whole scene, like just the whole introduction of like Scott, Like, I
feel like the only reason they did that is so that they could give like
weapon X eleven, whatever the hell's name is, Deadpool, we'll call him.
Like, I feel like the only reason why they did that so they
could have laser beam eyes. It was so you're not wrong, Yeah,
and it doesn't make any hate it because Kate wouldn't Scott then know that he's
met Wolverine before, he never saw him. I'm not wrong, right,
because they at the end when he's back your weaponaxt, he has that thing
over his eyes. I guess so, but when do you hear I guess
you wouldn't hear any of this what's going on? He was very quick though,
right, and he had what talked to the guy for like thirty seconds
out of his life so far. Yeah, yeah, that's true. That's
why they distinctly did that be like, oh, we're gonna keep it all
together, like the connuity, like, oh, they have met, but
they haven't really met this connuity. Oh it gets worse than first class.
Just you wait, I'm excited because Emma Frost, who is a so many
things for some reason, Patrick Stewart will get there. Yeah, we'll get
there. We'll get there. So anything to add on anything else for Scott
and being adopted, No, he's gonna be entered here. That was another
bad like CGI Victor Chase in the hallway. And then we got Wolverine Gamut
there head to the island. Wolverine jumps, it's just him find out.
And then there's stuff we talked about ari with Kayla. They revia like the
big twist, the big twist about you know, the whole this was a
plan blah blah blah, and same thing. They got him here on the
island. And once they tell thembout Kayla, I'm like, we want to
put this Adamante in you. Wolverine starts to walk away and it comes back
when Sabertooth is like, oh I want the adam ant. He's like,
oh, you weren't. You won't be strong enough and kal oh, he's
just using us against each other, and she runs that striker and then say
he starts strangler and Wolverine runs back because he's gonna save even though he thinks
this woman just played him so anyways, good guy. Will he still loves
her. He's supposed to forget her, but yeah, has no memory of
her. Well he does, he does have memory, ever memories at this
point. Yeah, yeah, all of a sudden to mean no, it's
still still still. He never lost the memory, lose his memory when he
gets shot, Yeah, I thought he lost. He was supposed to lose
his memory when he was in the tank. He was supposed to. Well
yeah, next two, that's what they said. But no in this movie
they wreckon that said, No, that didn't happen. He's had his entire
memory that time, because you've mentioned that, like he remembers for some reason.
Yeah, I knew something was going on over there. Oh my goodness.
Yeah, no, that's because I knew the whole time, Like I
thought during this podcast that you told me that this he forgot his memory in
the tank, I think, And I was like, I don't know why
they didn't do it then, because even strikers I erase his memory. But
that's what wakes Logan up to get out of there, because he doesn't want
his memory erased. Those are the key words I missed. Yeah, zero
goes. I think he heard you. I'm so sorry for the listeners.
It's a confusing movie. But my my confusing point too. So when he
show up back to the island and then Logan laughed initially, why did they
just leave? Like Logan was walking out leaving until Ka got tacked. Why
did they just let him go? Their whole plan was like we got to
get him back here, and he's just like when he's like, oh,
I'm the fool, like he did his whole charade story again and then he
walked. They didn't even care, like he came back to save Kla.
But it's like, what was the point of all this? Like why did
like just tell him? And he was like like fuck, Like if you
think of like the perspective Logan like he would be so pissed a striker for
like tricking him to do that, and like he basically tortured him in that
tank and made them all like sure he's stronger now, Like fuck, he
still had to go through that and he has all of his memory, like
he knows exactly what happened. Get the fuck out of there, yeahfe or
even just like like fucking kill striker right there. He like walks in and
the striker is so confident he's like hello, logan, I've been expecting you,
Yeah, but general was it X one when Striker comes in and X
two and Striker comes in and like also he just forgets, like like he
he was like where are you on? This forgets but like he just looks
at Striker and he's like the Striker just starts talking to him, and like
he Logan just stands there like he's dumb ass and like won't do anything because
well that was different though, right because at that point he didn't remember,
Yeah, he didn't remember anything. And he shows like Wolverine's weakness of just
like people just like who changed his life and he can't do anything and he
just stares and like looks at them like, yeah, he's not a bright
guy in this. At this point, Kato's getting attacked. He comes back
him and Savior Tooth has like a mini fight, but he just completely kicks
say Too's asses time saving Tooth. It's less than like there's all these like
intense fights are just over and then Kl's like, oh my my sister,
she needs help, and then they bust out all these mun scatter sister,
let's see what's so funny. When he's cutting the locks and he's just like
showing up. I want to shot to show up my muscles. Okay,
guys, And then that happens and they're trying to make their way out and
lo and behold there's a door that opens. And I've read to mention too.
When he kills the general, we also see a Striker's son frozen.
Yeah, just catch that. Yeah, and I like, in that same
scene, the General's like, we know what your son. Yeah, yeah,
he's frozen. He's right there, he's right. Even then though the
general brings up, he's like, we know your son killed your wife.
But to me, even if that's not a scene, be like, if
this guy has his own son frozen, it's like, we're not trusting this
guy. It's just a it's just a mess. It's just East eggs for
the sake of them. Yeah. But then anyway, so these doors open
up, and because before they're like, oh, weapon eleven, it's not
ready to go, and uh whatever, Striker's like, oh the bonding press
is, who cares? Just send him out there, clearly trying to set
up that he'll be Deadpool in the future. But so the doors open up
and oh, it's Wade Wilson and he's a Weapon eleven and he's barrock a
Pool and here he is rock a Pool. I'm sorry you said the story,
what is it? So? You know there's a character named Baraka from
Mortal Kombat. He's just like, okay, yeah, he has the team.
And I fully forgot. The reason I said this is because, so
there's a few things this movie, I guess I should say. So there
was a some previews and whatnot when they're showing this, and there was Wade
Wilson, and then there was like in the cast it was IMDb funny enough,
it was Wade Wilson and then played by Ryan Reynolds. And there's this
guy named Scott Atkins who should not play Batman. People are completely wrong on
that. He's not a good actor and feeing like you should be Batman because
he has dark hair and he's buff. No so, and he was just
billed as Weapon eleven. As these trailers kept going around, you would see
Weapon eleven and he looked a lot like Deadpool. And the whole internet,
including myself, was on the IMD boards back in the day, was just
so worried that, oh man, they bear not make Deadpool a Weapon eleven.
And as just going on, people were like really worried, and then
the movie leaked. It was I think a month and a half before it
was supposed to come out. The movie leaked online with effects not done,
everything like that. But then it was like a confirmed confirm that because people
had watched the scene at that that is Deadpool. And I just remember the
fanboy community as that movie was coming up and we realized that was like Weapon
eleven and Deadpool were the same person. It was just a gunshot to the
heart and this like it's one thing that's been talked about four ages, so
I can't have any other descripting words to do it any justice that's been made
fun of in the past ten years. But it's just a I don't know
what the hell they were thinking, and it's just so bad, even to
the point where Scott Atkins, who plays Weapon eleven along with dead Ryan Reynolds.
You can tell because there's shots where it's Ryan Reynolds and he's like fit,
but then they'll go to him and he's like jacked, And there's just
scenes where they'll like literally be like he's turning as Scott Adkins. Then when
they cut the he's turning it's Ryan Reynolds and like the boy's completely changing.
This whole thing was bad. The only positive thing I have to say on
that, I said to Krooklum as we watched it, is I really enjoy
the Savor Tooth and Wolverine versus Deadpool portion when they're on there on the plank
and they're back to back and that part where Deadpool is teleporting back and forth
kicking their ass. Ye, that's so fucking good and that's one of my
favorite like combook fight scenes. But other than that, it's just a mess.
Ryan Reynolds looks like shit, Like the whole idea is bad and sorry,
why are they using two people? One was a stund out, but
also the other one was Ryan Reynolds was not available to do all the shooting,
so they just got some face shots for Ryan Reynolds and all the action
was Scott Atkins. Okay, yeah, Scott Agen's got the shit into the
stick on that one. So yeah, what do you guys think about this
whole weapon eleven business and then ends with them getting his head cut off,
this whole ending battle here, you just talk about the whole end here.
Well, I guess he's uh a mark without a mouth. So yeah,
yeah that was very nice, Kyle. Uh Yeah, Like before I saw
like the Deadpool movies, I wasn't too familiar with that character. So like
when this actually came out, I swear I didn't see the movie, but
I definitely remember seeing like the scene or whatever, like when the door opens
and it's Deadpool. Well they also remember they did, yeah, when he
kills them. That's what I'm saying that Like before I saw Deadpool, I
didn't really know who that character was. Yeah, Like I knew what he
looked like. I didn't know that he was like humorous or whatever. I
thought he just looked pretty cool at swords. But so like when it when
I saw like this version of Baraka Pool will call him it was, I
was like, I don't know what that is. It's kind of like like
I don't know what that's supposed to be. It's just like a random new
villain or whatever they introduced. So I wasn't too like, uh invested in
that character. So I wasn't triggered really because I wasn't I didn't have anything
to expect. Like I said, I don't even remember really watching this movie
back the nute. But I remember seeing that character and not being like,
oh, this is the worst thing that's ever happened to comic books, because
like the fans wanted that Deadpool, and like I definitely wasn't in that camp
just because I didn't have the knowledge of it. Yeah, but like looking
back on it, it's like, man, if I knew what I knew
now and I saw that shit, I one hundred percent would be like fucking
I'd be yeah. And I feel like it's fred Salt. When he does
like the cyclop size and they give him like the black diamonds, it's like
that's just gonna make up you done to him, you know, like give
him this little easter egg, like, oh, we know it's Deadpool.
I don't think you do. Like just what they did to him, no,
And like the way that they like just singed his mouth closed that he
like, I don't know they gave him that linery. He's like, I
guess Striker was able to find or finally able to shut you up or whatever.
I think the idea is they just should have made a Deadpool. The
idea of like Weapon eleven as a mutant has all these powers, I think
could have been a fun idea, but I think the second they made it
Deadpool, it was like, oh, I can't get behind this because especially
back then, it was just like when I was singing, oh we got
that, and then he started this, It's like, I feel like,
if we get some Deadpool movie, this is not this is not the Deadpool
I want. Like, no, for I totally understand, like if you're
one of those fans when this comes out, you're like, we're finally getting
Deadpool in this movie, but like so hyped, and then that ship rolls
around. It's just like I understand the outrage for sure, and I love
that. Obviously, they brought it back in the Deadpool too, cameo when
he's going back in time and everything and fixing everything. There's like the Green
Lantern. That was great, But uh yeah, for myself, this whole
like sequence is just like, I guess the fight seemed be to what Travis
was saying earlier with the three fight with or with the threesome. I was
gonna say that bute to b one. I thought it was really I feel
like it's a free for all. No saber Tooth and Wolvering too. They
go back to back. Remember yeah, I thought it was pretty cool.
Know how how did they get to the top of the nuclear plant? See
the Victor climbing up I think, oh no, it's opposite. It's Wolverine's
idea to climb up there, and then Deadpool can teleport, so he teleport's
up there, and then SA just ends up getting them there. So why
would Wolverine want to climb up player the high ground. He's just trying to
run. Just yeah, he has no ideas. He's just trying to get
him away from those kids. Oh I see Hi, yeah, okay,
want those kids getting killed before they get picked up before or from creepy Xavier?
Do you look at that? Well he's he's like it's the same thing.
He's like look at like you don't think he's looking creepy. When he
picks them up, he's just like stoic and he's like all blasting again and
just like speaking. Why don't you talk to them all? I get it,
he's he's the main character. But like they're just all standing there,
like like this old guy's just standing there staring at them all. Scott's on
those and then imagine being just one of those kids and you're like fuck this.
I don't know what damn it's going on with this guy. Well,
Scott's just being spoken to the one Bland guy like yeah, oh yeah,
it's so funny he said, because I did not even think about that speaking.
I'm nothing more to add on that scene. And then it's just it
just very Michael Jackson Neverland ranch vibe. So that's very creepy. No,
I just other than that fight scene, it was all like very like plan
and dumb, and I forgot to mention I did enjoy the fight scene as
well. Yeah, and then even when the building crumbles and then he finds
was Kyla Kayla and it's just like, oh, like this could get any
worse like it does though, But then that's when I shot that was such
a bigger question right though. It's like, how the fuck did she even
get there? Like she she's just like laying logan logan. I was like,
there's buildings collapsing all around, and it's like, of course you would
have to appear right at the end of this all like this is why does
this have to be so cliche? Like? And they just kept getting even
more cliche, and that's why I got really angry at the end of this
movie, it's like, this is dumb, Like I can't believe I just
watched this, like and then yeah, we got strike with the animantine bullets.
He shoots him a bunch of Wolverine, who again proves he's very dumb
in this movie, decides he is a brick shit house. He's so powerful,
but he decides for some reason, he's a run up a fucking wall
and jump off. It's an attack striker, yeah, instead of just I
don't know fully running out and clearly you can fill. These bullets are bigger,
like more damaging than usual bullets. But no, he just decides he's
gonna run and jump and then he gets shot twice in the head and Kayla
does the walk into your feet lead and then keep walking, which, Kyle,
you didn't watch this, so that's not your fault. But there was
three end credit scenes after this movie. Don't worry. Yeah, yeah,
there's a They're one they're nothing important. One yeah I don't drive it.
Well. One's Wolverine drinking in Japan and they're like, oh, are you
drinking to forget and he goes, no, I'm drinking to remember. The
Other one that's legit and then the other one is Deadpool is found in the
rubble. His mouth was wide open, his hand his headband cut off,
his hand touches his head and he goes sh and that's it. And then
and then they oh, my god, yeah. And then the other one
is a Colonel Striker. They are they're just you know, if him walking
and his feet or bleeding, and then the army stop him. They're like,
you're needed for questioning of the murder of whatever. That general was one,
okay, which doesn't make sense because like an X two, he would
not have that position in government if he murdered a fucking guy and they knew
about it. But whatever, that just happened. So anyways, so Logan
gets his memory gone, Kalas says, walk to the feet, blead.
She dies. Gamut finds Wolverine. Wolverine's freaking out, what's my name?
It's Logan. Do you know her? No? I don't. Gam at
one point says come with me. Logan's run with him, and then when
all these cops are showing up, he's like, we gotta get out here,
and he's like, I'll find my own way. Dude, you have
no fucking memory. Why I don't even know where we are. Are you
so calm with this whole thing? Why are you gonna say I'll find my
own way? Fuck that, go with the guy who said he was a
friend, Like and what was the other point? Oh, because the other
thing they try to set up that Logan doesn't know who he was because Gammut's
like, you really mess his place up. We gotta get out here,
so like planting the idea of Logan in his mind like, oh, I
was a really bad person for but like clearly like it's not because it's just
like you could have just asked him, like what happened? Can we go
for coffee? And oh you were saving people that were captured. But no,
his whole life now he thinks like, oh I just fucked up and
killed some Yeah, he just now thinks that he killed everyone this fucking island
with no context whatsoever. So and that's the in the movie. And it's
not a great movie, guys. I have stuffed out on the end as
much. When Gammitt comes in and saves Logan right right from the right,
he just destroyed which doesn't matter because Gammut risked his life to save Logan.
Logan would not have died from that, so would have Gamut screwed up and
killed himself. But there I don't think Gambitt would have known that he has
these regen abilities. Probably not, but we do. So it's just,
you know, it takes the fun out of it. And he comes from
fucking nowhere. He just like does a flip and he hits the wall and
he just he missed me, and then he throws his staff away and he
doesn't leave those strange the whole it's just it's just like the rest of the
movie. It's just as Yeah, it's like this review is just all over
the place it needed to be. I'm messy. I'm so sorry for the
listeners. I'm just so confusing. How messy this movie is? Got anything
that on the ending? No, it was awful, I really don't like
it was so unsatisfying, Like you know, it's like I'm so mad.
Yeah, let me let me look at my little notes kids. I forgot
to mention anything. Oh yeah, when when Deadpool or sorry Barack a Pool
weapon weapon eleven, when he's uh, the Deadpool even calls him the Deadpool,
It's like, don't do that. When he's like fighting or whatever,
I think it's the fight scene and it shows Striker like controlling him on the
conpole. It's so fucking funny, Like I misspelled that. It's so he's
just saying that, oh yeah, it's so bad destroying the fire escape.
I had that in here because it's just I had to mention it. Oh,
this is totally minor, but I when so Kayla is actually like his
love interest before he found out the plot twist, before she died and everything.
They're just driving along the road and there's these two fucking total assholes blocking
this one bridge, having a good old commersation like yeah, like, oh
I was I just was laughing so hard because he goes up. He's like,
can you guys move? He's like like we're having a conversation here.
It's like these are the biggest tools I've ever like heard of in my life.
They're literally blocking like the one bridge. Oh and then she doesn't make
it obviously at all that she has immune powers. You know, Logan doesn't
pick up. Yeah, it goes he's a pretty big temper, you better
move. And he even goes like, what was that that's funny that you
mentioned? Because I didn't realize till now. I literally no, he didn't
know she gets those guys to move because she goes. He's like, I'm
not gonna move cause she touched them. Yeah, and she's like, oh
is a pretty That makes sense? You guys are fucking logan in this.
Yeah. I felt they made that obvious as like ass well, I didn't
know that she had that power till later in the movie, and then by
that point, this was my second viewing. So that's my first view You
know, I watched this well, I watched this movie in chunks. So
let's get some trivia end this podcast. Leah Shriver was given a muscle suit
to wear his role as Victor Creed. Sim't know what Vinnie Jones wore for
the Juggernaut in X three to make him look his physique look comparable to Hugh
Jackman's two hundred and twenty pounds figure. The suit made shredded. Yeah,
the suit. That's a goal for me, two twenty what is it?
The suit made Shreiber feel humiliated, and he requested a chance to gain real
muscle. He trained for three months in Lithuitia and continued training alongside Jackman during
filming. Jackman also made Schreiber had a great deal of protein to his diet,
which Schreiber called genocide of chickens. In the end, he gained forty
pounds and had to buy several new suits due to his back and he's several
inches. He quoted said, I can't fit my favorite soup. But I
feel like I owed it to the genre to be big, So you know
what, good on you didn't accept it was definitely a bright point in this
movie. I mentioned this already, but Hugh Jackman expressed his point over this
movie emitting it fell sort of expectations, and he did not did not do
the character justice a substantial sub subsequent, subsequentiously, subsequencious, subsequentially, I
can't even say any actually subsequentially, subsequentially, He and the rest of the
crew sought to do the wolf for me. Oh I got call came and
like, oh I got this right again. It's like the other day.
I feel like we could not say acquisition, acquisition, acquisition. I couldn't
know I could. I still can't say it. Brian Cox was interested in
reprising his role of Women Striker Form X two using the digital scrint skin grafting
effects us an X Men last Tan for Exavier mean you don't think god,
that would have been a longe. Filmmakers thought it would be easier and cheaper
to cast a younger actor and hired Danny Houston. I do remember this because
he was on IMD for the longest time. Michael C. Hall, who
played Dexter, was considered for the role of William Shriker, which I thought.
I'm glad he wasn't in this movie, but he would have been a
great young William Striker, I think, but have gone. Well, I'm
glad he did. I'm still waiting for him to play his combook Cherry Uh
Gavin Hood in Top twentieth Century. Executive Tom Rothman reportedly had clashes over the
movie's creative direction. One infamous incident happened well Hood the director was offset,
at which point Rothman took it upon himself to have won the sense repainted from
Hood's original dark theme into something lighter. So that's how you can see the
shenanigans that a director. He's set up a set, Okay, this is
it. He goes off set for a little bit, he comes back and
the producers had it fucking repainted on him. So what set would have that
been. I have no idea, maybe like I don't know, maybe the
experimental room or something like that, but just the idea that year the director
this is the set, you come back and the guy had events. So
you can see why this didn't turn would be a good movie because many people
are not getting along on this movie and that just sounds petty as fun Carl
Urban Jr. Butler were considered for the part of Victor Creed Hugh Jackman,
which is funny because remember way back in X Men one Wretcher, we talked
about how he's offered the role the Punisher. Right after X Men, Hugh
Jackman was offered the role of Tony Stark slash Ironman and iron Man two thousand
and eight, but he turned it down due to this film. So Robert
Downey Junior was cast instead of Shit. I in no way, I in
no way think he would have been better than Downing down is iron Man,
but I think he still would have been a good iron Man. I don't
like I said not to down love, but I think he would have been
good casting. But I another universe. Who know, people really want them,
you know, So what would you guys rate this movie? I'm gonna
start off, I'm gonna give it a nice I think i'm gonna go two
point five out of ten because there's a few things. There's Jackman's good.
I'm gonna drop it down to it too. I know I've done that.
I think Jackman's good. There's a few action scenes. I like that war
scene, I like the Wade Wilson's scene. Other than that, so there's
a very few men things. That's why as I get into two at ten
and I think it's it's not edited well. The score is forgettable, the
cgi is bad. There's that one action scene, but the rest of the
time, the action is generic. It's just and it's not acted well in
some areas. Yeah, not not. This is definitely one of those very
low comic book movies. Definitely still not the worst, but it's like it's
it's pretty bad. So yeah, yeah, I'll go. I have this
this number of my mind throughout the cast. It's funny how you can come
here like thinking what you're gonna give something, and then as you talk more,
it just like kind of fluctuates and changes. So I'm definitely glad that
we rate at the end, but I'm gonna give it a two as well.
I'm gonna get a flat two similar to like your your bright points,
like the actual like Wade Wilson scene, and like the Elevator and like the
Ryan Reynolds like well one liners. It's like, fuck, it's five minutes
maybe of him on screen, but like it's it's enjoyable. So that was
good. How do you say, like the Victor actor, do you have
Schreiber live live, Schreiber Live live lives driver? Okay, whatever. I
I liked him as Victor. I liked him as Victor. He was like
ominous and creepy even just like I don't know, he just he did.
I think it was good casting. Yeah, Hugh Jackman, oh man,
he just looked great. His hair looked great. He I think I think
he did did good job. Yeah, oh exactly, and like hearing like
in that trivia of like him how he like felt bad that he didn't do
a good job as even though he was like the best part of this entire
movie. I don't know, but yeah, so like a couple of bright
points in there, but and and the humor parts definitely, like when he
was mowing down that fire escape, I thought I was laughing hard, like
like belly laughing for sure. So yeah, flat two. Nice. I'm
gonna give it a one point five because I knew he's gonna out do.
Yeah. Yeah, that's that one point five minutes of stuff. I actually
liked total in the whole. That's a good way to rate something that means
a long we would get tens. Then I enjoyed at least ten minutes.
So wow, I'm confused as we were talking about this podcast and you're still
I'm still confused, and you need to watch it again. I don't need
to watch this again. I ever need to watch this again. Yeah,
oh wow. So you know a torture crowd, just shrap him down,
handcuff him. He has to watch this movie? This, I think I
would rather watch what was it? The one with Nicholas Cage Ghostwriter. I
won't go that far. I would rather watch Ghostwriter than watch this movie.
I will not go that far. I would say that for sure. Watch
Ghostwriter. Yeah, way more entertaining than this. This is awful. I
can't believe it. I can't believe they allow this. Did this movie even
make money? It did? It? Disappointed? But also it's unfair say
disappoint because the whole thing leaked a month and a half before, so I
think it was a cumbination of many things why it did well, but not
as well as they wanted to, but at good enough that it made it
got a broke like, oh yeah, I made money. Yeah, because
doub Wolverine technically right, So no, it's still made quite a bit of
money. It was nowhere near flopped territory or anything like that. Yeah,
yeah, all right, people love Wolverine. That's right. Well it is,
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