1 00:00:01,080 --> 00:00:06,320 You're listening to the Paranormal UK Radio Network and now it's time for the Paranormal 2 00:00:06,360 --> 00:01:07,640 Peep Show. Hi, welcome to the Paranormal Peep Show with myself Neil Ward 3 00:01:07,760 --> 00:01:11,680 and joining me this month in lieu of Andie Chaplin, who's a very busy 4 00:01:11,719 --> 00:01:15,560 man with his tuned in events, is once again our friend and occasional co 5 00:01:15,640 --> 00:01:19,000 host, Ben Emlyn Jones. Hi, Ben, how are you ideal? 6 00:01:19,159 --> 00:01:22,560 It's I'm very well. Thanks, It's good to be back on the show. 7 00:01:23,040 --> 00:01:26,280 Lisa all always very interesting in these programs. It's always nice and I 8 00:01:26,319 --> 00:01:30,840 can step in to Ali's shoes and help you out. Good. Thanks for 9 00:01:30,959 --> 00:01:34,840 joining us, Ben, So you've been quite busy on your own shows and 10 00:01:34,319 --> 00:01:38,200 live streams and things like that. You had a few technical issues with YouTube 11 00:01:38,239 --> 00:01:42,280 the other n idea you're in your live stream unfortunately. Yes, I had 12 00:01:42,319 --> 00:01:48,439 another issue where YouTube decided to stop my livestream. They've done this several times 13 00:01:48,439 --> 00:01:52,000 in they delete videos and things like this. It's very very annoying. It 14 00:01:52,040 --> 00:01:55,400 was for a completely false since it was a completely false situation as well, 15 00:01:55,439 --> 00:01:59,840 they accused me of what they said. There was the detective copyright material copyrighted 16 00:02:00,239 --> 00:02:05,359 although I was actually broadcasting something that's in the public domain. So but you 17 00:02:05,439 --> 00:02:07,519 know, you can't really appeal. They just stopped the live team. So 18 00:02:07,560 --> 00:02:09,000 what I did was I went over to Rumble and I carried it on there 19 00:02:09,599 --> 00:02:13,080 where you don't have all that kind of aggravation. So I'm you know, 20 00:02:13,360 --> 00:02:16,919 I pay a lot of homage to the the old techies who create these websites. 21 00:02:17,360 --> 00:02:22,479 You know, mine's gab get a rumble bit shoot, et cetera. 22 00:02:22,599 --> 00:02:24,960 So it was. It ended up being a very good live stream. It 23 00:02:25,000 --> 00:02:28,680 was great fun. And what was the subject to the live stream for those 24 00:02:28,719 --> 00:02:34,840 that don't talking around and Tucker Carlson's historical interview with the President Putin of Russia. 25 00:02:35,199 --> 00:02:38,599 It's really quite extraordinary thing. So I did a deep dive into all 26 00:02:38,639 --> 00:02:43,400 the I did deep dive into the into all the content, all over two 27 00:02:43,439 --> 00:02:47,159 hour seven minutes of it. Quite So, what was your opinion of the 28 00:02:47,280 --> 00:02:52,240 thing in general? I think it's very very good. I mean it's I 29 00:02:52,280 --> 00:02:57,439 think the the war in Ukraine over the last couple of years when I went 30 00:02:57,759 --> 00:03:00,560 during the time it was on, was portrayed in a very one sided way 31 00:03:00,680 --> 00:03:05,879 in the Western media. We were told that Ukraine was good and Russia was 32 00:03:05,919 --> 00:03:08,719 bad, and that was it, And I think that's false. I think 33 00:03:08,960 --> 00:03:13,080 there's another side of the story, and I'm glad it's now been told on 34 00:03:13,120 --> 00:03:16,560 such a high profile a platform and it's been seen by so many people. 35 00:03:16,639 --> 00:03:21,520 So hopefully I'll make people think again. It wasn't perfect. I mean, 36 00:03:22,240 --> 00:03:24,199 it possible Tucker will go back and do more. But I was hoping, 37 00:03:24,759 --> 00:03:29,080 hope, above hope. I was hoping that, you know, Peutin would 38 00:03:29,080 --> 00:03:31,919 come clean about the UFOs. I know what he knows, yeah, saying 39 00:03:32,479 --> 00:03:37,759 I was egging Tucker on going ask him about the UFOs because Tucker Carson is 40 00:03:37,840 --> 00:03:40,360 very very open minded about UFOs. He's always tin good about it, so 41 00:03:40,400 --> 00:03:46,199 he understands these things. But I was hoping he'd ask present Peutin about that. 42 00:03:46,280 --> 00:03:52,080 He didn't so well, as imagine because he was a Fox Fox News 43 00:03:52,080 --> 00:03:53,840 guy, Tucker Carston, wasn't he. Yeah, he was sacked by there 44 00:03:53,879 --> 00:03:59,319 even though he yeah, popular hosts. Yeah, I guess Patts wouldn't be 45 00:03:59,360 --> 00:04:02,319 able to do this Peuting interview if he was still in an employee of Fox 46 00:04:02,360 --> 00:04:05,520 News. I would imagine. Well, I think when he actually got sacked, 47 00:04:05,520 --> 00:04:09,719 a lot of people said, you know, this is a it could 48 00:04:09,719 --> 00:04:13,719 be a great opportunity for him rather than a disaster. And indeed, he 49 00:04:13,840 --> 00:04:17,600 set up his Tucker Carson News network and he does his own things now and 50 00:04:17,920 --> 00:04:23,279 so this is a very impressive from development on his part, I think. 51 00:04:23,759 --> 00:04:26,040 But I just said I'd like it. I wanted to go back and ask 52 00:04:26,120 --> 00:04:30,920 Puttin about the UFOs and maybe some other things as well, because he does 53 00:04:30,040 --> 00:04:33,920 know about it, Carson. He's always talking about UFOs. It would be 54 00:04:33,959 --> 00:04:39,519 interesting to see that development if that happens. So good luck to him if 55 00:04:39,519 --> 00:04:44,240 he can do that, and I for one would be watching it definitely if 56 00:04:44,240 --> 00:04:47,240 that happened. So, without further ado, I think we best bring on 57 00:04:47,279 --> 00:04:50,920 our guest who we have had before on the Paranormal Peep Show. He joined 58 00:04:51,000 --> 00:04:56,000 us a few months ago, and with one of these particular subjects, there's 59 00:04:56,000 --> 00:05:00,480 always a lot more to explore and it can't be done necessarily in one to 60 00:05:00,600 --> 00:05:04,040 our show because there's a lot more to be said. So we welcome back 61 00:05:04,079 --> 00:05:11,519 to the Paranormal Peep Show Randy. Randy, welcome back, Hill, Thank 62 00:05:11,560 --> 00:05:15,000 you. I'm very happy to be here, and hello to YouTube. Ben. 63 00:05:15,160 --> 00:05:16,560 Good to see you again. It's been about a few years. I 64 00:05:16,600 --> 00:05:21,079 think, yes, we was Apollo Detectives. I think Molle first, Yeah, 65 00:05:21,120 --> 00:05:26,800 directive, Yeah, that was with Blue Earth thing. Yes, that's 66 00:05:26,839 --> 00:05:30,879 so interesting. Yeah yeah yeah. So Randy Wilsh joins us from Canada and 67 00:05:31,399 --> 00:05:36,639 he spoke to us a few months back on his book The Apollo Moonhoaks Hidden 68 00:05:36,680 --> 00:05:41,199 in Plain Sight, and I think we covered a lot of part one where 69 00:05:41,240 --> 00:05:44,720 we talked about the F one engines on the Saturn five rocket, the navigation 70 00:05:45,360 --> 00:05:53,959 problems possibly that might have had on the Apollo thirteen mission. And your actual 71 00:05:54,000 --> 00:05:57,519 show prompted a bit of to and and fron with some of that on our 72 00:05:57,959 --> 00:06:02,759 YouTube channel that watched it, and they've done their own investigations into the Apollo 73 00:06:02,839 --> 00:06:06,439 things. They've looked at it, and it was someone from your old country, 74 00:06:08,079 --> 00:06:13,000 from Ireland of all places, and they've been doing a look at the 75 00:06:13,759 --> 00:06:20,040 what they consider is a new calculation of the Earth to the Moon. Shanina. 76 00:06:20,040 --> 00:06:24,720 I think her name is hopefully I've got your name right, I apologie 77 00:06:24,720 --> 00:06:30,959 if I haven't. But she's produced this video on how she's recalculated the distance 78 00:06:31,000 --> 00:06:39,040 and mates it quite surprisingly to about a two thousand mile range approximately from the 79 00:06:39,079 --> 00:06:43,399 Earth to the Moon. Now, I said that those details to you, 80 00:06:43,439 --> 00:06:46,879 what I mean, because you know about navigation and things like that, and 81 00:06:46,959 --> 00:06:49,839 you've looked at the Apollo thirteen stuff, Randy, is there anything wrong with 82 00:06:49,879 --> 00:06:55,240 that or do you think there's problems with that calculation she's done? So, 83 00:06:55,560 --> 00:07:00,759 first of all, I did a cursory look at her her a couple of 84 00:07:00,759 --> 00:07:05,560 her videos, and I'm well, first of all, I was struck by 85 00:07:05,600 --> 00:07:12,000 her detail and by her mathematical abilities, and so nobody can dispute that. 86 00:07:14,720 --> 00:07:17,680 In terms of her overall theory. I mean, I really have to look 87 00:07:17,720 --> 00:07:20,600 into this further. Now. I've been out of school for forty five years, 88 00:07:20,639 --> 00:07:24,639 so I don't always trust my own math here either, you know, 89 00:07:24,759 --> 00:07:28,399 to be honest with you, But I'm also very careful not to criticize the 90 00:07:28,399 --> 00:07:31,720 work of someone else's even if I don't necessarily agree with them. It's an 91 00:07:31,720 --> 00:07:34,759 interesting theory, there's no doubt about it. If I could offer her some 92 00:07:34,920 --> 00:07:42,360 constructive criticism, I would leave the Apollo missions out of it. She's only 93 00:07:42,399 --> 00:07:46,879 going to further discredit herself by that. Because I've noticed that from the comments 94 00:07:46,879 --> 00:07:51,399 that she's getting that people are jumping on the Apollo Moon mission aspect, they're 95 00:07:51,439 --> 00:07:57,160 ignoring her actual theory, right, so to give herself a little bit more 96 00:07:57,199 --> 00:08:00,959 credibility. So far, I haven't seen any thing, to be honest with 97 00:08:01,079 --> 00:08:07,240 you, that in my opinion, validates her theory. But you know what, 98 00:08:07,480 --> 00:08:11,639 in in the last twenty years, I've learned not to shut the door, 99 00:08:11,639 --> 00:08:16,319 and especially in the last four years, where there seems to be an 100 00:08:16,519 --> 00:08:22,639 enormous rise in consciousness overall among the human race, given what we've all went 101 00:08:22,680 --> 00:08:26,000 through with the UH. And I'll use some colde words here, I don't 102 00:08:26,040 --> 00:08:28,480 I know, it's just going on YouTube, So you know, given you 103 00:08:28,519 --> 00:08:33,519 know the the how shall I say the tyranny in the last four years, 104 00:08:33,639 --> 00:08:37,679 if I can put it that way, So I've learned not to discount outright 105 00:08:37,960 --> 00:08:41,840 anyone's theory. I would like to know more about it. I'm hoping maybe 106 00:08:41,840 --> 00:08:43,879 she puts a book out where I can actually sit down read the book and 107 00:08:43,919 --> 00:08:48,360 then study it and make notes and go from there intriguing it is. The 108 00:08:48,399 --> 00:08:54,080 one concern I do have with her is that she's she's going to be eventually 109 00:08:56,080 --> 00:09:01,360 categorized within the flattered theory crowd. And that's you know, that's a major 110 00:09:01,440 --> 00:09:05,120 syop in and of itself, So if I were going to be a little 111 00:09:05,159 --> 00:09:09,600 bit careful about that, but you know, it sounds intrigued. I think 112 00:09:09,639 --> 00:09:11,840 you should have her own I think she should have her own platform first, 113 00:09:13,519 --> 00:09:18,080 and then we could take it from there. So I'm kind of not convinced 114 00:09:18,600 --> 00:09:22,919 right now, but definitely I will keep my mind open, because I mean, 115 00:09:24,000 --> 00:09:26,039 in terms of the navigation aspect, me and I, as you said, 116 00:09:26,039 --> 00:09:31,279 I've looked into this, and I think it's important to when we're talking 117 00:09:31,320 --> 00:09:33,600 about the Paul missions, which she did, and she starts off her video 118 00:09:33,720 --> 00:09:37,840 by saying that they ready to go to the moon type of thing, and 119 00:09:37,080 --> 00:09:43,279 automatically she's now diverting people away from her own work. I like to argue 120 00:09:43,000 --> 00:09:48,799 or to debate and discuss that the Paul missions were faked, and I like 121 00:09:48,879 --> 00:09:54,120 to prove it within the official framework, because that's how you actually convince people. 122 00:09:54,120 --> 00:09:56,799 It's not about winning people over, it's just getting them to look at 123 00:09:56,799 --> 00:10:00,759 this themselves and say, well, you know, well, the Moon is 124 00:10:00,759 --> 00:10:05,320 two hundred and fifty thousand miles away. Here's the method that they used to 125 00:10:05,360 --> 00:10:09,600 get there. And I think I successfully proved or made a very good case 126 00:10:11,039 --> 00:10:18,159 that with technology fifty years ago, let alone today, it's just impossible to 127 00:10:18,200 --> 00:10:20,480 do it within the official framework. So that's kind of the angle I like 128 00:10:20,559 --> 00:10:26,799 to work from. If it turns out that she's right, well then that 129 00:10:26,000 --> 00:10:31,320 just validates my theory even more so. But I would like to look at 130 00:10:31,320 --> 00:10:33,480 her work a little bit more before I actually, you know, say yay 131 00:10:33,559 --> 00:10:37,919 or nay on this. Yeah, that sounds a fair assessment, to be 132 00:10:37,960 --> 00:10:43,679 honest. The other interesting thing is that I'm not absolutely sure how they calculated 133 00:10:43,799 --> 00:10:48,960 originally the distance of the Earth to the Moon, and then they got it 134 00:10:48,039 --> 00:10:52,320 rolled in the end to recalculate they got everyone by a few thousand miles or 135 00:10:52,320 --> 00:10:56,039 something. So I think at the time of Kubrick's film where two thousand and 136 00:10:56,120 --> 00:11:01,559 one, no, not two thousand and one the show, they had room 137 00:11:01,200 --> 00:11:05,279 two three eight, which a lot of people allude to have been in the 138 00:11:05,320 --> 00:11:07,879 distance of the Earth in two hundred and thirty eight thousand miles, And it 139 00:11:07,919 --> 00:11:11,320 was around about that time that everyone agreed or thought it was two hundred thirty 140 00:11:11,360 --> 00:11:16,519 eight thousand mills. But then later on they did some further calculations and came 141 00:11:16,559 --> 00:11:20,080 up with some other distance which I'm not even sure. But how do they 142 00:11:20,320 --> 00:11:22,759 do, you know, how they work those calculations out? Is it some 143 00:11:22,799 --> 00:11:28,120 sort of parallax thing different points of the Earth point in How does that work? 144 00:11:28,559 --> 00:11:33,320 Yeah? I mean, let's face it, they had pretty good mathematical 145 00:11:33,360 --> 00:11:37,799 capabilities going back hundreds of years, even thousands of years, and they were 146 00:11:37,080 --> 00:11:41,600 you know, even going back hundreds of years, they were pretty getting very 147 00:11:41,639 --> 00:11:46,799 precise. I mean, you know Isaac Newton for example, they were getting 148 00:11:46,840 --> 00:11:50,799 it was very not exactly on, but they had some mathematical ability. They 149 00:11:50,840 --> 00:11:58,480 had techniques that they used basic gold trigonometry, geometry to figure out a rough 150 00:11:58,600 --> 00:12:03,799 estimate of the Moon. But now we're talking about today, and as you 151 00:12:03,840 --> 00:12:07,240 said earlier, there is being different distances and that actually is something I mentioned 152 00:12:07,399 --> 00:12:11,279 in I think my first book I mentioned that. And when it comes down 153 00:12:11,279 --> 00:12:16,840 to navigating from here to the Earth sorry sorry, to the Moon. Now, 154 00:12:16,840 --> 00:12:20,120 whether it's a man mission or on man mission, you would think that 155 00:12:20,200 --> 00:12:24,159 they would be precise right down to the last inch. And I'm not. 156 00:12:24,720 --> 00:12:28,919 I haven't seen a lot of evidence of that even with today's technology. Right, 157 00:12:30,320 --> 00:12:33,440 given that the moon also the moon you know, moves, it's it 158 00:12:33,440 --> 00:12:37,320 doesn't necessarily moves its business, but it's closer at some points, it's further 159 00:12:37,360 --> 00:12:41,360 away, so you need to be precise and you need to have that actual 160 00:12:41,440 --> 00:12:45,279 distance in real time. So my answer to you is that, well, 161 00:12:45,320 --> 00:12:46,759 they can't figure it out, you know, and they're supposed to have, 162 00:12:48,080 --> 00:12:52,679 you know, the high IQ and the mathematics and the supercomputers to do it. 163 00:12:54,600 --> 00:12:56,679 I certainly wouldn't know how to, but what I do know is that 164 00:12:56,919 --> 00:13:01,960 they're not as precise as they let on. And now if they're not as 165 00:13:01,960 --> 00:13:07,120 precise as they let on, that raises another question, because if you're going 166 00:13:07,159 --> 00:13:09,919 to navigate two hundred and fifty thousand miles, you need to be precise. 167 00:13:11,080 --> 00:13:15,679 There is no margin for error, especially when it comes from admissions given the 168 00:13:15,799 --> 00:13:20,399 limited propellant that they have on board, because they'd have to be constantly making 169 00:13:20,440 --> 00:13:24,960 corrections. And we all know that every effort was made, and again speaking 170 00:13:26,000 --> 00:13:30,440 within the official version, every effort was made to keep weight down as much 171 00:13:30,480 --> 00:13:35,120 as possible that also included propellant. If you were to fly an airplane like 172 00:13:35,159 --> 00:13:41,399 that, you've killed a lot of passengers. And supposedly they've got more accurate 173 00:13:41,480 --> 00:13:45,840 reens now, so they claim they landed the laser reflectors there with the first 174 00:13:45,879 --> 00:13:48,279 mission. By putting laser reflectors, and presumingly the idea is that that they 175 00:13:48,279 --> 00:13:52,399 would send a signal back to Earth and they could measure the distance very accurately 176 00:13:52,720 --> 00:13:58,960 back in nineteen sixty nine. And yet in nineteen eighty or eighty one, 177 00:14:00,080 --> 00:14:05,080 whenever the Cube Brick film came out, they were saying the Earth was two 178 00:14:05,159 --> 00:14:11,360 hundred and thirty eight thousand miles from the Moon. And you would think that 179 00:14:11,480 --> 00:14:15,399 if they've got these lasers bouncing, they were bound to work out the distance 180 00:14:15,440 --> 00:14:18,799 with the lasers back in sixty nine, so we should about it accurately. 181 00:14:18,279 --> 00:14:20,679 Back in sixty nine. From the word go, I would have thought, 182 00:14:22,399 --> 00:14:24,679 well, I think you just answered general question. You would think, right, 183 00:14:26,000 --> 00:14:28,039 yeah, and that's exactly right. And the other thing is just that 184 00:14:28,120 --> 00:14:33,799 for those out there that don't realize this, both the Soviets at the time, 185 00:14:33,840 --> 00:14:37,399 the Soviet Union and the Americans were bouncing lasers after the Moon as early 186 00:14:37,440 --> 00:14:41,360 as nineteen sixty one sixty two, and they were getting fairly good results and 187 00:14:41,720 --> 00:14:46,799 some good accuracy as well. So the argument that the poulmissions happened because they 188 00:14:46,840 --> 00:14:52,200 put laser reflectors on the Moon is really a fallacy. It just doesn't hold 189 00:14:52,279 --> 00:14:58,000 up because the areas that they target those lasers happened to be the areas on 190 00:14:58,039 --> 00:15:01,840 the Moon were the most and that just happens to be the areas where they 191 00:15:01,879 --> 00:15:07,200 handle all six missions supposedly landed all six missions. So it's really and you 192 00:15:07,200 --> 00:15:13,559 know what amazes me is is that, uh, these geologists and you know, 193 00:15:13,679 --> 00:15:18,120 work for established institutions haven't really figured this part out yet, and yet 194 00:15:18,159 --> 00:15:22,960 we as lead people have, so you know, again this is in the 195 00:15:22,960 --> 00:15:26,840 book for people who are really interesting diving into it, but they and the 196 00:15:26,879 --> 00:15:31,360 other thing also with laser reflectors isn't that they've been placed there. They can 197 00:15:31,519 --> 00:15:35,159 easily placed there by onmand missions, which the Soviets have done and still have 198 00:15:35,240 --> 00:15:39,799 the Americans. So it's just a lot of fallacy for me. M yeah, 199 00:15:39,159 --> 00:15:41,840 I mean, the fact is, I think it's on MythBusters where they 200 00:15:41,919 --> 00:15:46,200 show a thing supposedly proven the Apollo missions are real. They go to some 201 00:15:48,200 --> 00:15:50,159 observatory top type of place where they said, right, we're going to send 202 00:15:50,440 --> 00:15:54,919 a laser beam to the Apollo level landing side and we're going to get a 203 00:15:54,960 --> 00:16:00,639 signal back. But as you say that's the reflective eraror anyway being across equator 204 00:16:00,639 --> 00:16:03,720 of the Moon, because that's the point there's furthest as has been struck by 205 00:16:03,720 --> 00:16:07,120 the sun the most. At a certain points anyway, you're going to get 206 00:16:07,159 --> 00:16:12,600 some sort of reflection back anyway. So I mean it's such a tiny, 207 00:16:12,759 --> 00:16:18,799 tiny, little two foot across a little box that they got to somehow hit 208 00:16:18,879 --> 00:16:22,360 from presumably a wide beam. By the time it is, it's going to 209 00:16:22,399 --> 00:16:26,120 be hitting all sorts of things moon, rock, dust and all sorts of 210 00:16:26,159 --> 00:16:29,039 things. So you're going to get lots of things bouncing back. So I 211 00:16:29,080 --> 00:16:33,399 think you had to get a scattered reflection as such coming back. What do 212 00:16:33,480 --> 00:16:36,679 you know about that bend as. Yeah, So no, that's a good 213 00:16:36,720 --> 00:16:41,960 point, And I haven't done a lot of research in that because there's other 214 00:16:41,039 --> 00:16:45,559 areas to research that. You know, you couldn't research every aspect of the 215 00:16:45,679 --> 00:16:48,000 polymicians. You'd need you need a team of about one hundred and twenty people 216 00:16:48,039 --> 00:16:52,960 to do that if you dig in the evers back. But just to your 217 00:16:52,960 --> 00:16:56,480 point there regarding the lasers, I mean, fifty years ago you had quite 218 00:16:56,519 --> 00:17:00,799 a dispersal. When you fire a laser it would expand it would probably hit 219 00:17:00,840 --> 00:17:04,359 about it too, maybe a two square mile two or three square mile area 220 00:17:04,359 --> 00:17:10,279 of the moon. They'd refined that. They've managed to refine that with technology 221 00:17:10,319 --> 00:17:12,359 and you don't need to reflect or the belts it back. You can refine 222 00:17:12,359 --> 00:17:15,480 it, and you know, I don't know how how refined it is, 223 00:17:15,559 --> 00:17:19,559 but technology when it comes to lass has been refined and they've been able to 224 00:17:19,680 --> 00:17:23,440 narrow that dispersal pattern as it gets to the moon. So you're getting a 225 00:17:25,279 --> 00:17:30,640 pretty good h I would say accuracy. But then again, you know, 226 00:17:30,799 --> 00:17:33,000 there seems to be discrepancies in the distance of the moon. So your guest 227 00:17:33,079 --> 00:17:37,279 is as good as mine in terms of what's really going on here. There's 228 00:17:37,319 --> 00:17:41,319 a lot of disinformation and disinformation when it comes to this, and there's a 229 00:17:41,319 --> 00:17:45,680 lot of people that you know, look into this in their thrownout. That's 230 00:17:45,680 --> 00:17:49,119 why I cautioned the previous uh, the individual from Ireland that you were mentioning, 231 00:17:49,119 --> 00:17:52,839 it's just you know, continue on with her work, that would be 232 00:17:52,920 --> 00:17:56,240 my suggestion, but leave the Apollo moons out, lead that up to us 233 00:17:56,880 --> 00:18:00,920 and just focus on your own work. I mean that's to say that she 234 00:18:00,960 --> 00:18:06,799 can also look into the Apollo thing on her own thing and presumably doubt it 235 00:18:06,839 --> 00:18:11,039 whatever she wants to do. But yeah you can presumably, Yeah, that's 236 00:18:11,079 --> 00:18:15,839 right. You. It's a difficult lines tread. You've got to like publish 237 00:18:15,839 --> 00:18:18,680 certain things in certain calls and certain things in other areas. And if you 238 00:18:18,720 --> 00:18:22,119 claim it all together, you're going to get a lot of You might rattle 239 00:18:22,160 --> 00:18:26,720 quite a few cages when you want to actually be heard among above the rattle. 240 00:18:27,960 --> 00:18:33,039 This is the thing I mean, I talk about the apollom More missions. 241 00:18:33,160 --> 00:18:37,480 You talk about the Apolloment missions to you. Now we have this this 242 00:18:37,559 --> 00:18:41,440 individual in Ireland and her work, and she's talking about her work, but 243 00:18:41,440 --> 00:18:45,319 now she's mixing it in with another controversial subject. One's enough, right, 244 00:18:47,039 --> 00:18:51,680 Hey, yeah for another video? Right, So that's my friendly advice to 245 00:18:51,759 --> 00:18:55,440 her. Ben, do you want to come in? Yeah, I'm not 246 00:18:55,440 --> 00:18:59,400 actually familiar with this lady. I don't know I've actually seen her comments. 247 00:18:59,640 --> 00:19:02,279 There's such like that. I know a lot of people have a lot to 248 00:19:02,319 --> 00:19:07,720 say about this particular issue. I've not heard anyone say anything that successfully counters 249 00:19:07,759 --> 00:19:11,440 the points we made. As far as the retro reflector goes from Apollo eleven. 250 00:19:11,319 --> 00:19:15,279 This has always seen this is wrongly presented as proof. I've seen many, 251 00:19:15,319 --> 00:19:22,599 many examples, including amateur radio hams reflecting all kinds of wavelengths, amplitudes, 252 00:19:22,079 --> 00:19:26,960 and frequencies, transmissions off the Moon, off the lunar surface generally. 253 00:19:27,000 --> 00:19:30,920 Indeed, one guy showed off how he used his short wave radio to get 254 00:19:33,039 --> 00:19:38,400 a echo a radio echo off the Moon, and he could he actually could 255 00:19:38,400 --> 00:19:41,960 work out just basically on the time it took for the signal to go there 256 00:19:41,960 --> 00:19:45,640 and come back exactly how far away the Moon was. The Moon has a 257 00:19:45,720 --> 00:19:49,279 very regular orbit. It's one of the most non eccentric whatever the opposite of 258 00:19:49,319 --> 00:19:56,400 eccentric is orbits in the entire Solar system. It's literally it's almost like a 259 00:19:56,400 --> 00:20:02,119 completely circular orbit varies very very little indeed once. So once you know where 260 00:20:02,119 --> 00:20:04,160 it is at one point, you can pretty you can guess pretty much any 261 00:20:04,200 --> 00:20:07,039 time in the future where it is going to be and how far it's going 262 00:20:07,079 --> 00:20:14,359 to be a way it's going to be pretty pretty much precisely both by simply 263 00:20:14,400 --> 00:20:19,319 working it out. So the idea that the polybicians had to happen, because 264 00:20:19,359 --> 00:20:22,359 we know how far the away the how far away the moon is, and 265 00:20:22,400 --> 00:20:29,720 we know exactly how far it is because of the using laser or radio or 266 00:20:29,759 --> 00:20:36,720 any other form from electromagnetic radiation. It's simply false, and it's it's something 267 00:20:36,720 --> 00:20:41,039 they keep coming back to. I think they may be appealing to the to 268 00:20:41,119 --> 00:20:45,240 the uninitiateds trying and put try and reflect their interest away before they get too 269 00:20:45,240 --> 00:20:48,079 deep. I think a lot of these skeptic documentaries are doing that. They're 270 00:20:48,319 --> 00:20:52,000 they're very a lot of them are very transparently false from our position, because 271 00:20:52,000 --> 00:20:55,759 they're not aimed at us. They're not aimed at they're not aimed at change 272 00:20:55,960 --> 00:21:00,480 our minds. They're aimed at deflecting interest away by people who new to the 273 00:21:00,480 --> 00:21:04,599 subject and don't know. And so that doesn't surprise me to all. But 274 00:21:04,640 --> 00:21:10,119 anyway, I wish I wish her luck. If she can, she may 275 00:21:10,119 --> 00:21:14,480 be able to work something out. Good. Hey, guys, I just 276 00:21:14,640 --> 00:21:18,519 need to let the dog out because Okay, she's begging to go out the 277 00:21:18,519 --> 00:21:22,319 move. Harry's chatting, and I'll come back in a few minutes be with 278 00:21:22,319 --> 00:21:29,000 me, thank you. Okay, Okay, So you the the whole issue, 279 00:21:29,000 --> 00:21:30,000 I mean the whole issue. I suppose it's in your book, Randy, 280 00:21:30,039 --> 00:21:34,240 isn't it, Because you wrote a book. Yeah, so they just 281 00:21:34,279 --> 00:21:37,519 wanted to expand on the point you made there. And I'm not saying that 282 00:21:37,559 --> 00:21:44,599 this is my theory, but there has been some some video footage of the 283 00:21:44,640 --> 00:21:49,720 moon that has come out in the last few years, and uh, these 284 00:21:49,720 --> 00:21:55,039 are, of course, I would say, on official sources. But nonetheless, 285 00:21:55,440 --> 00:21:59,599 you know, they're putting their credibility in a line. And there seems 286 00:21:59,599 --> 00:22:03,559 to be some anomaly when it comes to looking at the surface of the mood. 287 00:22:03,680 --> 00:22:08,000 So there have people are seeing things that shouldn't be there considering that it 288 00:22:08,039 --> 00:22:11,920 doesn't have an atmosphere. And they've even got as far as to say, 289 00:22:14,160 --> 00:22:18,079 you know, is there some kind of a barrier. No, whether that 290 00:22:18,200 --> 00:22:22,599 barrier is from advanced technology, we don't know. Is that a barrier that's 291 00:22:22,839 --> 00:22:27,079 just you know, an actual phenomenon that also could affect the lasers, and 292 00:22:27,119 --> 00:22:33,200 it could affect in terms of getting proper distances. But it is another intriguing 293 00:22:33,279 --> 00:22:38,799 field to take into consideration because there seems to be a lot of really new 294 00:22:38,880 --> 00:22:47,079 and well a little information in terms of challenging the consensus reality just can what 295 00:22:47,160 --> 00:22:52,319 exactly do you mean by a barrier? Yeah, so I was actually on 296 00:22:52,920 --> 00:22:56,799 a phone in show last week and an interview. It was live, and 297 00:22:57,200 --> 00:23:02,680 we had a phone in call session and this individual I called in and he 298 00:23:02,720 --> 00:23:07,920 asked me, how was I aware of the fact that some of the you 299 00:23:07,960 --> 00:23:11,920 know, when you point a telescope at the Moon, and a lot of 300 00:23:11,200 --> 00:23:18,079 really there's a lot of very confident amateur astronomers out there and they point their 301 00:23:18,119 --> 00:23:22,920 equipment at the Moon and then they videotape it, and they've noticed occasionally that 302 00:23:22,960 --> 00:23:29,119 there seems to be some kind of vertical line that goes across their camera. 303 00:23:29,200 --> 00:23:33,960 Now, whether that's a video camera anomaly or atmospheric anomaly, it could be 304 00:23:34,000 --> 00:23:37,480 any number of things, but they seem to have ruled a lot of that 305 00:23:37,640 --> 00:23:41,839 out. And so it goes back to is there some kind of barrier in 306 00:23:41,880 --> 00:23:48,799 the between here and the moon? Now, this barrier would obviously be somewhat 307 00:23:48,839 --> 00:23:52,039 transparent, right, It's not like a physical barrier. So they're getting into 308 00:23:52,079 --> 00:23:56,319 some very deep rabbit holes here. And I bet this is a deep rabbit 309 00:23:56,319 --> 00:23:59,680 hole, not one that I really wanted to go into in terms of in 310 00:23:59,759 --> 00:24:03,039 depth study, at least right now. But there does seem to be circumstantial 311 00:24:03,119 --> 00:24:07,119 evidence. And I say that, let me emphasize that word circumstantial evidence that 312 00:24:07,200 --> 00:24:15,039 there is some occasionally there is a distortion in terms of the video footage of 313 00:24:15,079 --> 00:24:18,480 the Moon where you have this vertical line going across and almost you can almost 314 00:24:18,519 --> 00:24:22,480 like see some transpers and you see other things going off, like you see 315 00:24:22,559 --> 00:24:26,000 lights going off on the Moon, and that these are not you know, 316 00:24:26,640 --> 00:24:30,359 people can brush it off and say, well, maybe it's it's a meteorite 317 00:24:30,400 --> 00:24:34,839 strike or multiple strikes, but there does seem to be in the Other thing 318 00:24:34,920 --> 00:24:37,240 is is there does seem to be areas in the Moon. I think it's 319 00:24:37,279 --> 00:24:42,880 in the south from our vantage point from I'll use our sense of directions because 320 00:24:42,880 --> 00:24:47,160 they're the opposite when you're on the Moon. But the southeast quadrant there seems 321 00:24:47,200 --> 00:24:53,039 to be some activity, some build up of heat. So there's some strange 322 00:24:53,039 --> 00:24:56,440 things going on in the moon. A lot of things coming out now in 323 00:24:56,480 --> 00:25:00,440 the last two or three years. So really, you know, you can't 324 00:25:00,480 --> 00:25:03,200 discount anything. And as I said earlier, I like to argue the point 325 00:25:03,200 --> 00:25:08,799 within the official version, but there's another layer to add on to this when 326 00:25:08,799 --> 00:25:14,200 it comes to the Moon. That's really since I've got an image in mind 327 00:25:14,240 --> 00:25:17,440 that meant that what it could be. I mean, based on what you've 328 00:25:17,440 --> 00:25:21,680 described, and I've never heard of this before. It's as if it's some 329 00:25:21,759 --> 00:25:26,319 kind of a false image of holographic image or something. Yeah, there's being 330 00:25:26,359 --> 00:25:30,480 projected to hide something underneath, like in the in the book Atlas Shrugged, 331 00:25:30,480 --> 00:25:33,960 where there's a town and it can't be seen from the air because it has 332 00:25:34,000 --> 00:25:37,119 a From the air, it looks like there's just nothing there below you except 333 00:25:37,160 --> 00:25:41,839 normal landscape. But it turns out that's actually a something. It's actually a 334 00:25:41,839 --> 00:25:45,119 projected image into the sky. Yes, it could very well be a natural 335 00:25:45,160 --> 00:25:51,079 phenomenon, right, But it's just interesting that it's only been noticed now, 336 00:25:51,200 --> 00:25:56,279 more so in the last i would say last ten years, and that I 337 00:25:56,279 --> 00:26:02,039 mean that that's intriguing, you know, and it's aren't given that technology when 338 00:26:02,039 --> 00:26:08,400 it comes to photographic video technology has theres a lot more advanced than has ever 339 00:26:08,519 --> 00:26:12,000 been. So maybe maybe the camera's picking up something. Maybe it's just a 340 00:26:12,079 --> 00:26:15,200 natural phenomena. I don't know, but that's what people That's not what I'm 341 00:26:15,240 --> 00:26:22,920 reporting. That's what astronomers, amateur astronomers are reporting. Yeah, there's several 342 00:26:22,079 --> 00:26:25,839 Obviously, the moon has the dark side of the moon, which or the 343 00:26:25,920 --> 00:26:29,039 far side to give it its proper name, which always faces away from the 344 00:26:29,079 --> 00:26:32,839 Earth, which is invisible. It's actually one of the few places in the 345 00:26:32,960 --> 00:26:37,880 entire universe which is completely invisible to the Earth from the Earth surface apart for 346 00:26:37,880 --> 00:26:41,680 a reason other than sheer distance. And it's right next door to us. 347 00:26:41,759 --> 00:26:45,559 It's our closest neighbor. And in fact, there's two people like a name 348 00:26:45,640 --> 00:26:51,559 Carl Wolf and Donna Hare, who actually worked for NASA processing photographs, and 349 00:26:51,839 --> 00:26:57,960 they both report that the NASA were taking pictures of artificial objects on that on 350 00:26:59,000 --> 00:27:02,440 that particular air away from the Moon. They were built quite openly on the 351 00:27:02,440 --> 00:27:04,119 surface, which they could do so because no one could see it from the 352 00:27:04,119 --> 00:27:10,079 Earth's surface, and NASA were basically touching them up. They're getting artists with 353 00:27:10,119 --> 00:27:12,960 paintbrushes to touch up the photographs for publishing them. I mean, I don't 354 00:27:12,960 --> 00:27:18,119 know if that's true, but both these people reported it, and so I 355 00:27:18,559 --> 00:27:22,799 wonder if they could be that there is something on the side facing the Earth, 356 00:27:23,559 --> 00:27:29,079 which of course would be spotted immediately if it were just there, and 357 00:27:29,119 --> 00:27:30,839 maybe someone wants to try to hide it in some way, and maybe the 358 00:27:30,839 --> 00:27:34,759 technology exists put some kind of holographic image above it. I mean again, 359 00:27:34,799 --> 00:27:37,920 I'm speculating like you are, but I think that's very interesting, Randy. 360 00:27:37,960 --> 00:27:41,960 I've never heard of that before, so thank you. Yeah. And I 361 00:27:41,000 --> 00:27:44,720 do want to emphasize, and I'm glad you said that. I just want 362 00:27:44,759 --> 00:27:47,759 to emphasize that, of course we are speculating. I don't need all the 363 00:27:47,799 --> 00:27:51,240 businesses or the engineers like Steve jumping in and say, you know our rich 364 00:27:51,240 --> 00:27:55,039 you're talking about prove the mad No, a lot of genists are signing this, 365 00:27:55,279 --> 00:28:00,640 So I'm just speculating there. Steve may get easy, right, but 366 00:28:00,000 --> 00:28:04,000 there is I have read this and I'll finish at this point when it comes 367 00:28:04,039 --> 00:28:10,000 to the subject. But I have read in numerous books, and I don't 368 00:28:10,039 --> 00:28:12,200 have a source for those books. But I have read over the years physicists, 369 00:28:12,240 --> 00:28:18,880 actual physicists talking about the Moon in terms of its size and its mass, 370 00:28:18,039 --> 00:28:23,000 and it being for its size and its mass, it shouldn't be in 371 00:28:23,079 --> 00:28:27,200 the orbit it's in around Earth. I have read that. That's not me 372 00:28:27,319 --> 00:28:32,000 saying that out there. That's what I have read, and I don't have 373 00:28:32,039 --> 00:28:33,359 a source for that, so don't come at me. But that is what 374 00:28:33,400 --> 00:28:37,440 I have read, and It's interesting because there may be some circumstantial evidence to 375 00:28:37,839 --> 00:28:41,880 or intriguing evidence to back that up, or at least to give it a 376 00:28:41,880 --> 00:28:47,880 little bit of a validity in the sense that when NASA fires, when they 377 00:28:47,880 --> 00:28:52,039 crash into the wit, which they purposely done, they crash some you know, 378 00:28:52,759 --> 00:28:55,799 uh, sped rockets into the surface of the Moon. I mean they've 379 00:28:55,839 --> 00:28:59,000 come back and actually used the phrase it rang like a bell for a noun, 380 00:28:59,720 --> 00:29:03,319 so that kind of gives it a little bit of a literality. Definitely, 381 00:29:03,319 --> 00:29:06,599 I mean the the I'm interested that the density of the Moon is very 382 00:29:06,599 --> 00:29:11,119 low considering its geology and which is not unlike the Earth, but it's density 383 00:29:11,240 --> 00:29:15,000 is actually very low, indicating that their man there are. It's probably even 384 00:29:15,039 --> 00:29:19,279 the subsurface geology is very different, which is unlikely. Or there are large 385 00:29:19,400 --> 00:29:25,920 cavities within the Moon's caves and and other spaces. These could be either natural, 386 00:29:26,079 --> 00:29:27,640 or they may fall naturally, or they may be artificial. Of course, 387 00:29:27,640 --> 00:29:32,880 there are natural caves under the Earth as well, but some people say 388 00:29:33,000 --> 00:29:37,640 are they artificial? Are they built by a non human intelligence or maybe a 389 00:29:37,799 --> 00:29:42,079 very advanced human intelligence in the distant past, or something like that that we 390 00:29:42,160 --> 00:29:45,599 don't know because no one knows what they are. No one's ever been there 391 00:29:45,839 --> 00:29:52,079 to find out. No one's the naki, right, Well, that's yeah, 392 00:29:52,119 --> 00:29:56,799 that's they are the ejaculation speculation bulks. But ancient mythology across the world 393 00:29:56,839 --> 00:30:03,240 is replete with stories of non human intelligence is interacting with us quite openly. 394 00:30:03,559 --> 00:30:06,799 Eric von Danikin has written a lot about this. Are the bawntful of people, 395 00:30:06,880 --> 00:30:11,559 you know, And like I'm not saying like, you know, yeah, 396 00:30:11,799 --> 00:30:14,079 I'm you know, I'm laughing a little bit. But at the same 397 00:30:14,119 --> 00:30:17,559 time, we can't discount anything anymore. I mean, okay, yes, 398 00:30:17,599 --> 00:30:19,160 we need to see evidence and we need to say it in front of So 399 00:30:19,680 --> 00:30:25,079 speculation is good, and I've speculated in my books, and I speculated in 400 00:30:25,119 --> 00:30:29,200 my recent book, which I'll talk about after, but just put out a 401 00:30:29,240 --> 00:30:33,240 third book, and speculation is okay, But don't come out and say this 402 00:30:33,319 --> 00:30:37,359 and this and this unless you can actually prove it. Now, I can't 403 00:30:37,480 --> 00:30:40,640 prove what I just said in terms of the moon and the anomalies on the 404 00:30:40,640 --> 00:30:44,319 moon. But definitely, how do you how do you look into something when 405 00:30:44,400 --> 00:30:47,440 you talk about it and then maybe you speculate it and you come up with 406 00:30:47,759 --> 00:30:49,759 speculator about it, and then you come up with a hypothesis, right, 407 00:30:49,839 --> 00:30:52,599 and then at leads to a theory, you know, and then you go 408 00:30:52,680 --> 00:30:57,079 from there. So that's basically all I'm doing is is that nothing, nothing, 409 00:30:57,640 --> 00:31:03,680 can be discounted when it comes to the Earth of Moon and especially our 410 00:31:03,799 --> 00:31:07,279 old history, which I do think a lot of is being falsified. Another 411 00:31:07,319 --> 00:31:12,359 area for another day, folks, But yeah, so yeah, because I 412 00:31:12,680 --> 00:31:17,839 was just thinking as you're talking about Inside the Moon, the Jules Byrne film 413 00:31:18,359 --> 00:31:22,839 story first Men in the Moon, where there's a film version a bit where 414 00:31:22,240 --> 00:31:26,519 these two Victorian travelers. I think in the film they had a lady with 415 00:31:26,559 --> 00:31:29,359 him, but I don't know whether they rode that in for the film of 416 00:31:29,400 --> 00:31:37,160 the sixties and Lionel Jeffreys I think was the actor who was the scientist inventor, 417 00:31:37,519 --> 00:31:41,559 and they devised this anti gravity paint or something they painted on the side 418 00:31:41,559 --> 00:31:45,400 of their ship and it allowed them to float upwards out. Yeah, that's 419 00:31:45,440 --> 00:31:52,440 it, And they discovered these internal caverns like Ben was talking about, but 420 00:31:52,480 --> 00:31:56,559 they had these creatures in there. Ray harry House and I think did the 421 00:31:56,559 --> 00:32:02,119 animation a great film. I loved it, but yeah, it also again 422 00:32:02,240 --> 00:32:09,640 reminds me of the remote viewer in goos Swan who worked for the CIA but 423 00:32:09,799 --> 00:32:14,839 also worked for other people undisclosed. He gave them, perhaps pseudonyms, he 424 00:32:14,839 --> 00:32:19,359 didn't want to kind of disclose exactly who they were where. He was asked 425 00:32:19,400 --> 00:32:23,680 to remote view some coordinates, and he realized that the coordinates he was remote 426 00:32:23,759 --> 00:32:27,920 viewing happened to be on the Moon. And he said, I'm on the 427 00:32:27,920 --> 00:32:31,400 Moon, you know. And he could sort of see mountains or craters and 428 00:32:31,440 --> 00:32:35,440 things like that. But he said, but there's people here, he said, 429 00:32:35,440 --> 00:32:38,160 but they're naked. But they were humanoids, he said, But they 430 00:32:38,200 --> 00:32:42,359 weren't humans. They were humanoids. In other words, they had a head, 431 00:32:42,400 --> 00:32:45,160 two arms, two legs, and that's perhaps as far as the similarity 432 00:32:45,200 --> 00:32:47,960 went. They must have looked very alien like, but for some reason they 433 00:32:49,000 --> 00:32:53,200 were naked. They did all lots of reports of UFO occupants tend to talk 434 00:32:53,240 --> 00:32:57,519 about very close fitting bodysuits, so they could have had that. He may 435 00:32:57,599 --> 00:33:00,240 have not seen it quite fully, but they seemed to be mine in the 436 00:33:00,279 --> 00:33:05,440 moon in some way. It's don't helium three they've discovered on the moon, 437 00:33:05,519 --> 00:33:08,000 but they seem to be harvest in the Moon for mineral resources in some way. 438 00:33:08,440 --> 00:33:12,799 And once he said that, he said they're aware of me though somehow, 439 00:33:12,799 --> 00:33:16,440 they're aware of his consciousness being shot to the moon in some way, 440 00:33:16,519 --> 00:33:20,680 and he said, they're sort of coming towards me. They're aware that I'm 441 00:33:20,720 --> 00:33:23,480 here. So the guy that was gave him the coordinates, who was in 442 00:33:23,559 --> 00:33:27,839 charge of this research project, basically said, gad, they're come back now, 443 00:33:27,920 --> 00:33:30,599 come back now. And he speculated, he said, I don't know 444 00:33:30,640 --> 00:33:35,480 who this guy was that engaged him. He called him mister Axelrod, and 445 00:33:35,519 --> 00:33:38,319 he paid something like ten thousand dollars cash per day, which was a very 446 00:33:38,440 --> 00:33:42,759 very large summer of money back in nineteen seventy five or whenever he was asked 447 00:33:42,759 --> 00:33:49,400 to do this. And he wondered if this this mister axel was himself an 448 00:33:49,519 --> 00:33:57,160 alien, and he wanted to test out how far humans in their psychic development 449 00:33:57,200 --> 00:34:02,039 had got, In other words, could they were there's psychic abilities discover that 450 00:34:02,319 --> 00:34:07,920 mister Axelrod and his buddies are doing something surreptitiously on the Moon that they didn't 451 00:34:07,920 --> 00:34:13,719 want them to know about. So he obviously heard about Ingo swand thought, 452 00:34:13,840 --> 00:34:17,320 right, I need to see how far this guy can penetrate our defense systems, 453 00:34:17,360 --> 00:34:23,360 a bit like engaging a computer hacker to hack into your own company's web 454 00:34:23,400 --> 00:34:28,800 stuff to see if your defenses are good enough to withstand it. And this 455 00:34:28,840 --> 00:34:32,599 is the kind of an analogy that was used. So he was penetrateing the 456 00:34:32,639 --> 00:34:37,639 Moon's defenses with his psycho bulance. He got there and they were aware of 457 00:34:37,719 --> 00:34:43,360 him. So after that he was told not to do it again. Kind 458 00:34:43,400 --> 00:34:46,000 of thing. But it makes me wonder if there are people on the Moon. 459 00:34:46,039 --> 00:34:50,719 You know, there's a a website. I think I let you know 460 00:34:50,760 --> 00:34:54,880 about it. The other night Ben called Allies of Humanity and it's this guy 461 00:34:55,400 --> 00:35:01,880 who the last thirty years, he's kind of supposedly a channel communication from this 462 00:35:02,920 --> 00:35:07,840 I would call it. I think he would call it an alien alien beans 463 00:35:08,000 --> 00:35:13,239 or something like that. Marshall Vyne Somers's that's the guy. Yeah, Yeah, 464 00:35:13,280 --> 00:35:15,599 I've read I've read one of his books. Yeah, So basically he 465 00:35:15,760 --> 00:35:20,440 to summarize it then and Ben, you're aware of it then, so he's 466 00:35:20,480 --> 00:35:28,239 received communications from these beings who have parked themselves somewhere within close facility to the 467 00:35:28,280 --> 00:35:32,159 Earth. And I speculated it to myself that maybe they were on the Moon, 468 00:35:32,360 --> 00:35:35,840 perhaps on the backside of the moon, because we talked about bases on 469 00:35:35,880 --> 00:35:38,039 the backside of the moon. Does this all type with other sources of information 470 00:35:38,119 --> 00:35:43,119 about backsides of the moon, bases, that kind of stuff. But apparently 471 00:35:43,119 --> 00:35:46,440 they won't say where they are because they don't want themselves to be discovered. 472 00:35:46,840 --> 00:35:52,239 But what they're doing, apparently these other aliens, they're monitoring the comings and 473 00:35:52,239 --> 00:35:57,360 goings of all these other et races coming to Earth, and they're reporting through 474 00:35:57,519 --> 00:36:00,840 to this Marshall Somers, the recipient of the messaging, is exactly what's going 475 00:36:00,920 --> 00:36:05,079 on, and they're sort of saying that these are the bad guys that are 476 00:36:05,119 --> 00:36:13,559 coming in. They're trying to manipulate humanity. They're trying to genetically manipulate humanity 477 00:36:13,599 --> 00:36:16,880 so they can put their people in to key positions on Earth within government, 478 00:36:17,159 --> 00:36:22,400 who in thirty years time might look human, but in fact they're thinking alien, 479 00:36:22,679 --> 00:36:25,599 you know. And so there's not gonna be one laser gun fired in 480 00:36:25,639 --> 00:36:30,480 this take over of Earth or humanity. They're going to do it in a 481 00:36:30,559 --> 00:36:35,039 stealth mission from within, rather like a virus might take over your body and 482 00:36:35,320 --> 00:36:38,960 mutate. And that's the kind of plan. And this is what Marshall Summers 483 00:36:39,559 --> 00:36:44,440 says in his writings The Allies of Humanity. So that's a website that if 484 00:36:44,440 --> 00:36:46,719 anyone wants to go and check out, it's called the Allies of Humanity. 485 00:36:46,719 --> 00:36:51,480 It's worth looking into. It reminds me of that film They Live about the 486 00:36:51,800 --> 00:36:54,719 Yes disguise of humans. You've put special sunglasses on you can see them. 487 00:36:54,800 --> 00:37:02,159 Yeah. Now, in your second book, Randy, the Apollo Moon Hopes 488 00:37:02,239 --> 00:37:07,920 Hidden in Plain Sight, Part two, you talk about the founders of JPL 489 00:37:07,559 --> 00:37:13,239 Jet Propulsion Laboratory. For those that don't know what JPL is. Lots of 490 00:37:13,320 --> 00:37:17,199 space fans but definitely know what JPL is. But for those that don't, 491 00:37:17,199 --> 00:37:21,719 you all explain a bit about who JPL was, how they came about, 492 00:37:21,800 --> 00:37:25,880 and why you spoke about them in your book. Sure is it okay? 493 00:37:27,079 --> 00:37:29,679 I just want to make a footnote to what you were just talking about. 494 00:37:29,840 --> 00:37:35,159 Sure, absolutely, Yeah I was. When I say, and I'm actually 495 00:37:35,159 --> 00:37:38,840 talking to the viewers out there, I wouldn't have scaled the possibility of remote 496 00:37:39,000 --> 00:37:43,800 viewers. And this seems to be some size behind it, the fact that 497 00:37:43,840 --> 00:37:47,679 the CIA and military intelligence have you heavily involved in and they've been recruiting people 498 00:37:47,719 --> 00:37:52,199 over the last several decades. So the scenes they seem to give it a 499 00:37:52,199 --> 00:37:58,400 lot of validity soul for the naysayers out there, I would encourage you to 500 00:37:58,480 --> 00:38:00,079 look at that. But there was one that came to mind when you were 501 00:38:00,119 --> 00:38:07,360 talking about that individual you just mentioned is later Nick al Yeah, Ingoswarm is 502 00:38:07,440 --> 00:38:12,159 Nick Alger. Nick Alger has been involved in military intelligence for for decades. 503 00:38:12,199 --> 00:38:15,840 He too is a remote viewer, and he now has a channel on Rumble 504 00:38:15,440 --> 00:38:22,639 and he talks a lot about this, and he has made some uncanny predictions 505 00:38:22,679 --> 00:38:28,440 in the last three to four years that I have been watching him that have 506 00:38:28,840 --> 00:38:32,960 actually come to fruition that actually come true. And it's interesting because you really 507 00:38:34,239 --> 00:38:37,559 got my interest when you said that. You know, when he was the 508 00:38:37,719 --> 00:38:42,280 ingom swam was revolt view and he felt like somebody was looking back. That 509 00:38:42,519 --> 00:38:46,760 is exactly what Alger's Nick Alger's experience was when he was asked to remote view 510 00:38:46,760 --> 00:38:52,159 of the moon and he felt that he was intruding and he got scared and 511 00:38:52,199 --> 00:38:55,480 he stopped it because he they were looking back at him right right, could 512 00:38:55,480 --> 00:39:00,239 be the very same beings. Yeah, he talked about that. So definitely 513 00:39:00,280 --> 00:39:06,840 that's an area that. You know, some people will laugh at but hey, 514 00:39:06,920 --> 00:39:10,239 you know what, as they say, truth is stranger in fiction. 515 00:39:10,440 --> 00:39:17,400 So we'll leave that open for now. What's this Space Paul in the pun? 516 00:39:17,960 --> 00:39:22,760 Yes, yeah, so JPL you talked about Jehpa. We knew was 517 00:39:22,760 --> 00:39:28,119 that can book. So I came across when I was writing, when I 518 00:39:28,159 --> 00:39:31,719 was looking into researching book two, I came across, just by accident, 519 00:39:32,400 --> 00:39:37,840 several books on Jack Parsons. And Jack Parsons, for those of you who 520 00:39:37,840 --> 00:39:45,119 don't know, was an upcoming scientist back in the nineteen twenties, thirties and 521 00:39:45,199 --> 00:39:52,039 forties. Now there's a lot of information to Jack Parsons that we can get 522 00:39:52,239 --> 00:39:57,360 get out, we can talk about. But what really struck me with Jack 523 00:39:57,440 --> 00:40:00,599 Parsons is that, And before I get into that, all of you who 524 00:40:00,599 --> 00:40:07,000 don't know, Jack Parsons theories to this day are were used if you believe 525 00:40:07,000 --> 00:40:10,159 the Paul missions were using the Paul missions in terms of whatever they got out 526 00:40:10,159 --> 00:40:13,119 of those missions. I mean, they never went to the Moon, but 527 00:40:13,159 --> 00:40:16,800 they did get something out of the Saturn five rocket and of course the Space 528 00:40:16,800 --> 00:40:24,639 Shuttle and Jack Parsons theories really are prevailed with in the space Shuttle technology in 529 00:40:24,719 --> 00:40:30,239 terms more in terms of the solid fuel boosters that the space Shuttle used. 530 00:40:30,760 --> 00:40:36,519 Now, Jack Parsons, it's very it's really difficult to know where to start 531 00:40:36,519 --> 00:40:37,360 with him. So let me just give it a little bit of a history 532 00:40:37,400 --> 00:40:43,280 for Jack Parsons. And for those who don't know Jack Parsons, is was 533 00:40:43,480 --> 00:40:50,119 he actually had created, along with two other individuals at that time, two 534 00:40:50,159 --> 00:40:57,920 other scientists, the Jet Propulsion Laboratory JPL, and they named it they named 535 00:40:57,920 --> 00:41:01,639 the Jeft Propulsion Laboratory in after Jack Parsons, since he thought of the idea. 536 00:41:01,719 --> 00:41:05,199 But as Marcus Allen kind of wondered, and I thought it was a 537 00:41:05,280 --> 00:41:08,280 very good point in his part, is it actually Jack Parsons laboratory, but 538 00:41:08,320 --> 00:41:14,880 they changed it to Jet Propulsion Laboratory, right? And what makes Jack Parson 539 00:41:15,039 --> 00:41:17,840 very interesting is there's a few layers of Number One, Jack Parsons had no 540 00:41:17,920 --> 00:41:22,199 formal education. He had nothing beyond grade twelve or or high school. He 541 00:41:22,239 --> 00:41:31,119 had no university level education. And with that he managed to develop theories that, 542 00:41:31,239 --> 00:41:35,119 as I just mentioned Darli are still in use to this date by NASA. 543 00:41:35,840 --> 00:41:38,599 He literally one day, at about eighteen or nineteen years old, he 544 00:41:38,719 --> 00:41:43,960 read a paper back then, and I think it was nineteen I don't know, 545 00:41:44,039 --> 00:41:49,440 let's see maybe nineteen thirty thirty one. He read an article in the 546 00:41:49,519 --> 00:41:53,280 newspaper about rocket science, which was unheard of at that time. Rocket science 547 00:41:53,360 --> 00:41:57,679 was for Hollywood. It was out of the domain of the military. They 548 00:41:57,679 --> 00:42:00,400 weren't interested in it at that time. It was you know, it was 549 00:42:00,440 --> 00:42:05,159 a cartoon. It was entertainment. But he read an article from that was 550 00:42:05,199 --> 00:42:12,360 actually published by a professor at the California Institute of Technology call TACH. He 551 00:42:12,480 --> 00:42:15,880 literally walked in just one day, you know, this nineteen twenty year old 552 00:42:15,960 --> 00:42:24,360 walked in the cal TACH, searched down the professor and told the professor he 553 00:42:24,440 --> 00:42:28,440 was really intrigued with his work. And the professor, of course was busy 554 00:42:28,480 --> 00:42:30,719 with other work, but he was really intrigued with Jack Parsons at that time 555 00:42:30,719 --> 00:42:35,280 in his knowledge, and long story short, he sent them on to somebody 556 00:42:35,280 --> 00:42:38,559 else. And now another long story short. Jack Parsons not only became a 557 00:42:38,639 --> 00:42:44,920 frequent visitor or guest, shall I say, at CALTACH, he became a 558 00:42:44,960 --> 00:42:49,239 faculty member. And that's what any higher education. He was given his own 559 00:42:49,400 --> 00:42:55,639 lab to do his own experiments, and of course the experiments got involved limited 560 00:42:55,679 --> 00:43:00,239 explosions, so they had to move that off site. And they funded his 561 00:43:00,280 --> 00:43:05,639 whole research in a desert and funded his lab there and gave him an entourage. 562 00:43:05,639 --> 00:43:08,960 And this is a man who basically walked in off the street literally right 563 00:43:09,159 --> 00:43:14,840 literally, and within within a few years he's not only a member of the 564 00:43:14,880 --> 00:43:21,960 faculty of Caltech. Uh, he has all arms mill and he has now 565 00:43:22,599 --> 00:43:29,079 he has negotiations going on with the US military to develop propulsion systems for their 566 00:43:29,079 --> 00:43:32,320 weapons because World War II is coming up, right. But here's the other 567 00:43:32,360 --> 00:43:37,280 thing that I think makes it even more intriguing. This is a man and 568 00:43:37,320 --> 00:43:39,480 this is why we never hear about him a lot. They they they have 569 00:43:39,559 --> 00:43:44,239 a dedication to him once a year. They dedicate you know, they have 570 00:43:44,280 --> 00:43:49,519 a ceremony for him once a year at JPL. And it's it's always low 571 00:43:49,599 --> 00:43:52,079 key. It's never in the forefront, it's never out in the open. 572 00:43:52,440 --> 00:43:57,400 And that's a really shies a way when it comes attack to talking about Jack 573 00:43:57,480 --> 00:44:02,679 Parsons, because Jack Parsons has another interesting background. Jack Parsons was a Satanist 574 00:44:04,079 --> 00:44:07,920 and he was a developed follower of Alistair Crowley and Alistair Crowley. For many 575 00:44:07,960 --> 00:44:13,519 of you out there will know Alistair Crowley was very prominent in the political and 576 00:44:13,760 --> 00:44:19,000 entertainment scene back in the nineteen twenties, thirties, forties and fifties in Britain 577 00:44:19,719 --> 00:44:23,599 and a lot of followers. And to give you some idea the importance of 578 00:44:23,599 --> 00:44:30,079 Alistair Crowley, Alistair Crowley is on the cover of the Sergeant Pepper's Lonely Hearts 579 00:44:30,079 --> 00:44:36,039 Club band by the Beatles, and he's also I believe that the guitars for 580 00:44:36,119 --> 00:44:39,960 led Zeppelin. His name excases me right now, you'll know it. Oh 581 00:44:40,039 --> 00:44:45,719 yeah, the best doesn't need the best. You know, he owns I 582 00:44:45,719 --> 00:44:49,960 think he owns one of the houses or one of the mansions that Alister Crowley. 583 00:44:49,920 --> 00:44:57,440 Y. Yes, but it's much Lochness. Yeah yeah, so very 584 00:44:57,440 --> 00:45:00,119 interesting. And so when he was he basically, and this is how I 585 00:45:00,119 --> 00:45:04,360 portrayed him in the book, he's a rocket scientist by day and an occultist 586 00:45:04,679 --> 00:45:09,320 by night, and that eventually led to his two worlds colliding, and it 587 00:45:09,400 --> 00:45:16,280 really was his demise. But there's some other interesting aspects to Jack Parsons that 588 00:45:16,320 --> 00:45:22,840 people don't know about. And it turns out that Jack Parsons had a close 589 00:45:22,880 --> 00:45:28,000 connection to Werner von Braunt and this was in the nineteen thirties, before World 590 00:45:28,079 --> 00:45:30,760 War two, and I want to emphasize that point, before World War two. 591 00:45:31,000 --> 00:45:39,119 So now you have a scientist connected to that Caltac and also to the 592 00:45:39,199 --> 00:45:44,440 FBI, because the FBI had run security checks on him because he's now involved 593 00:45:44,519 --> 00:45:50,039 in military weaponry, so he was involved in that. And then we find 594 00:45:50,039 --> 00:45:55,320 out that he's an occultist. There's lots of letters written between him and Alistair 595 00:45:55,360 --> 00:46:00,199 Crowley. They never physically met, but they had a close correspondence. But 596 00:46:00,079 --> 00:46:04,840 there is but he did meet Ron L. Hobbard, who went on to 597 00:46:04,920 --> 00:46:08,559 develop Scientology, to create the Church of Scientology. And we all know about 598 00:46:08,559 --> 00:46:15,440 the Church of Scientology, and it's influenced with actors like Tom Hanks and Tom 599 00:46:15,519 --> 00:46:20,760 Cruise and its influence in Hollywood and in politics. So that's the other side 600 00:46:20,760 --> 00:46:25,119 of Jack Parsons, and this explains in part why NASA is very shy about 601 00:46:25,159 --> 00:46:29,800 putting him out in front. When it wasn't for Jack Parsons, you wouldn't 602 00:46:29,800 --> 00:46:37,559 have a space shuttle program. And the other thing is is that Jack Parsons 603 00:46:37,599 --> 00:46:42,320 also and this is a crucial point that I want to make is Jack Parsons 604 00:46:42,880 --> 00:46:46,280 was constantly under the surveillance of the FBI. So what does that tell you? 605 00:46:46,360 --> 00:46:51,480 Well, if he's constantly under the surveillance of the FBI, then how 606 00:46:51,599 --> 00:46:54,280 is it that the FBI either didn't know or knew? And we're covering up 607 00:46:54,320 --> 00:47:00,679 the fact that he had a correspondence not through letters, but through over stations 608 00:47:00,679 --> 00:47:05,840 with Vernon von Bryant, not only before World War two, during World War 609 00:47:05,880 --> 00:47:09,679 two and after World War Two. One has to ask what was that about. 610 00:47:09,960 --> 00:47:15,119 There's a lot more to Jack Parsons than we have that we have been 611 00:47:15,159 --> 00:47:17,920 told. There's a lot more going on here. Very intriguing and only wrote 612 00:47:17,920 --> 00:47:22,280 one chapter. If I was to do that, just as it would be 613 00:47:22,280 --> 00:47:27,480 a whole book or maybe two. That's how intriguing. Rabbit hole this is 614 00:47:27,559 --> 00:47:31,159 when it comes to talking about Jack Parsons. I suspect with the fact that 615 00:47:31,239 --> 00:47:36,000 he was in communication with Verna von Brown. And again for listeners that don't 616 00:47:36,039 --> 00:47:40,280 know of yours, haven't who von Brown is. He was the inventor of 617 00:47:40,440 --> 00:47:45,559 the the war machines against Britain, which was the V one and V two 618 00:47:45,760 --> 00:47:51,840 rockets basically that launched the blitz against the Brits in World War two. So 619 00:47:51,960 --> 00:47:57,440 they these rockets were far off from Germany and they basically crash over London or 620 00:47:57,480 --> 00:48:02,480 surrounding counties, some far if they would deserve Birmingham as well. And after 621 00:48:02,880 --> 00:48:07,320 World War II was over, he along with many other German scientists, were 622 00:48:07,360 --> 00:48:13,599 taken under a scheme operated by the USE called Operation paper Clip, which was 623 00:48:13,639 --> 00:48:19,360 to bring in these German World War II scientists into the United States. They 624 00:48:19,360 --> 00:48:24,239 weren't tried as war criminals. They were kind of basically brushed that aside because 625 00:48:24,239 --> 00:48:29,599 they were too valuable to shut up in prison all day or even shoot or 626 00:48:29,599 --> 00:48:32,360 wherever they would have done with these people. They actually harnessed what they could 627 00:48:32,360 --> 00:48:37,360 from them, and so vernevon Brown was used basically to help set up NASA 628 00:48:37,559 --> 00:48:43,639 and went on to design the Saturn five rocket, which allegedly took people to 629 00:48:43,679 --> 00:48:49,480 the Moon. And so his involvement with Jack Parsons pre war and during the 630 00:48:49,519 --> 00:48:52,440 war, it must have been that the FBI must have learned a hell of 631 00:48:52,480 --> 00:49:00,760 a lot about vernevon Brown through Jack Parsons, either surreptitiously or they just interrogate 632 00:49:00,840 --> 00:49:02,599 him. Who's this guy is talking to? Tell us all about him, 633 00:49:04,039 --> 00:49:07,880 and they must have seen a lot of information and from presumably from that point 634 00:49:07,920 --> 00:49:13,239 on, they must have targeted vernevon Brown of a person of interest to utilize 635 00:49:13,280 --> 00:49:15,880 at some point in the future. Whenever that point of the war came. 636 00:49:16,239 --> 00:49:22,000 They definitely wanted him alive to bring in. I think that sounds like the 637 00:49:22,039 --> 00:49:25,360 case. You know, I would agree that. I think that's a very 638 00:49:25,400 --> 00:49:32,280 good um. That's he raised a very good point. I had more questions, 639 00:49:32,360 --> 00:49:40,199 though, what and this has to be asked. Jack Parsons was killed 640 00:49:40,320 --> 00:49:45,559 in a very mysterious accent in nineteen fifty two. He was only thirty seven 641 00:49:45,639 --> 00:49:49,760 years old. Is it possible? And this is just speculation on my part, 642 00:49:49,800 --> 00:49:52,920 but it's possible because when you look at the bigger picture, Well, 643 00:49:53,440 --> 00:49:58,880 the FBI knew him. Now, the FBI had revoked his security clearance because 644 00:49:59,000 --> 00:50:02,440 of that he was involved in the occult, but then he was allowed back 645 00:50:02,480 --> 00:50:07,639 in, but he was closely watched. But just put that aside for a 646 00:50:07,639 --> 00:50:13,199 second. Was Jack Parsons and the relationship between Jack Parsons and Verner von Braun 647 00:50:14,000 --> 00:50:19,360 was that more? Was Berna von Braun seeking information from Jack Parsons in terms 648 00:50:19,360 --> 00:50:22,159 of his own technology with the V two rocket. In other words, was 649 00:50:22,199 --> 00:50:27,480 Bernavon? Was Vernon von Braun getting advice and Jack Parsons to build a weapon 650 00:50:27,519 --> 00:50:31,119 that was terrorizing Britain? Right, And that's just one aspect of him that 651 00:50:31,159 --> 00:50:35,639 has to be asked. And if so, the FBI was fully informed of 652 00:50:35,719 --> 00:50:37,719 this, and the recursor to the CIA was involved in this, which I 653 00:50:37,719 --> 00:50:42,800 think was the OSS at the time, and of course therefore ergo the American 654 00:50:42,840 --> 00:50:47,119 government, right and Britain would have to have known about this too. So 655 00:50:47,199 --> 00:50:51,599 you have to ask yourself, well, if that's the case, and again 656 00:50:51,800 --> 00:50:55,239 just just speculation on my part. If that's the case, then what exactly 657 00:50:55,320 --> 00:51:01,199 was World War two all about? When you have the hierarchy, the government 658 00:51:01,199 --> 00:51:08,480 officials and scientists in both Britain and the United States aiding the enemy to attack, 659 00:51:08,639 --> 00:51:13,920 the build of technology to attack their own people. Yeah, it's always 660 00:51:14,000 --> 00:51:19,239 like a wife of testing out the technology. Yeah. Yeah, And that 661 00:51:19,280 --> 00:51:22,199 cannot be discounted. You cannot come back and meet anybody out there, cannot 662 00:51:22,239 --> 00:51:25,599 come back and say that's not true. But we don't know. But there 663 00:51:25,800 --> 00:51:31,840 is again circumstantial evidence that that's exactly what may have been going on, because 664 00:51:31,920 --> 00:51:37,880 why else would he be in telephone conversations. In fact, Jack Parson's partner 665 00:51:37,880 --> 00:51:42,480 at the time, his girlfriend, she used to talk about it. Oh, 666 00:51:42,519 --> 00:51:46,840 he's talking about German, was talking to about German in Germany before, 667 00:51:47,039 --> 00:51:52,920 during, and after World War And there's evidence that they did physically meet when 668 00:51:53,000 --> 00:51:59,840 Vernemont Braun was brought over along with the other Nazi scientists. And that's for 669 00:52:00,119 --> 00:52:04,639 me, that's a troubling development because it paints NASA and now NASA wasn't in 670 00:52:04,719 --> 00:52:07,159 existence before before this happened. Of course, NASA came out in nineteen fifty 671 00:52:07,199 --> 00:52:14,199 nine. Okay, but Jack Parsons Jet Propulsion Laboratory is within NASA. It's 672 00:52:14,480 --> 00:52:17,480 basically under the purview of NASA, and NASA celebrates its existence every year. 673 00:52:17,559 --> 00:52:22,519 But they were always reluctant to talk about Jack Parsons. Jack Parsons had many 674 00:52:22,559 --> 00:52:25,599 layers, many layers. Here's an uneducated person, just to recap, an 675 00:52:25,719 --> 00:52:32,280 uneducated person who solved a problem with the solid solid rocket boosters that went on 676 00:52:32,400 --> 00:52:39,639 for several hundred years. Remember solid solid rock say that ten times solid fuel 677 00:52:39,760 --> 00:52:43,719 rockets have been around for seven hundred years. You know, you go back 678 00:52:43,719 --> 00:52:46,840 to the bend some time era right. They were used in more and he 679 00:52:46,880 --> 00:52:52,239 had solved the problem of the problem of instability. There was a constant problem 680 00:52:52,320 --> 00:52:57,000 with solid few boosters they would you know, they would, they were prone 681 00:52:57,000 --> 00:53:00,559 to blowing up. He solved that problem that he didn't have to mass thematical 682 00:53:00,599 --> 00:53:04,199 ability to solve the problem. But what he did was is he knew what 683 00:53:04,239 --> 00:53:07,960 the problem was, and he told his colleagues who did have the higher functioning 684 00:53:08,000 --> 00:53:12,960 math like differential calculus, what the problem was, and they came up with 685 00:53:12,960 --> 00:53:16,039 the equations and fixed it. So, you know, here's an individual, 686 00:53:16,440 --> 00:53:21,800 Jack Parsons, who didn't have the ability for differential calculus, but yet he 687 00:53:21,840 --> 00:53:25,159 was a seer and he came out he discovered the problem and then told him 688 00:53:25,159 --> 00:53:29,719 what the problem was, and then the mathematicians fixed it. That's a very 689 00:53:29,719 --> 00:53:34,840 good example of the contribution that many can make and that he himself has made. 690 00:53:35,159 --> 00:53:38,000 And of course then there's his work with the occult and it turns out 691 00:53:38,079 --> 00:53:45,840 now that he was actually experimenting with explosives. And this is me saying, 692 00:53:45,920 --> 00:53:50,039 is this is the information I've read on him, that he was actually trying 693 00:53:50,119 --> 00:53:59,639 to open a portal to another dimension and release a gateway that entities come forward, 694 00:54:00,320 --> 00:54:04,840 and there is some speculation and some ethanist that that's exactly what happened one 695 00:54:04,920 --> 00:54:08,639 night a few weeks before he was actually killed when he was experimenting and there 696 00:54:08,679 --> 00:54:14,039 was an explosion and he wasn't hurt at that time, but the whole house 697 00:54:14,039 --> 00:54:16,519 shook, and there was a couple of witnesses that described what they what they 698 00:54:16,599 --> 00:54:22,079 saw as banshees that were produced from that explosion. Now, that could have 699 00:54:22,159 --> 00:54:24,280 been another, you know, a trick in the i of phenomena, but 700 00:54:24,639 --> 00:54:29,920 there seemed to be something very serious happened. And one of the individuals I 701 00:54:29,920 --> 00:54:31,840 think his name was Ed Powers, who he was working closely with, distanced 702 00:54:31,920 --> 00:54:40,000 himself from Jack John from Parsons. Jack Parsons to distance himself after that, 703 00:54:40,039 --> 00:54:44,039 he had nothing more to do with him. He was that scared. So 704 00:54:44,079 --> 00:54:51,559 something happened that night as a result of Jack Parsons experiments that scared away his 705 00:54:51,840 --> 00:54:54,880 own very close friend and colleague. Something very serious happened. It was only 706 00:54:54,880 --> 00:54:59,599 a few weeks later that he was supposedly killed in an accident. I don't 707 00:54:59,639 --> 00:55:02,280 know who as an accident. I speculate that maybe more behind it, but 708 00:55:02,320 --> 00:55:06,679 I also speculate that maybe they wanted him out of the way because he was 709 00:55:06,719 --> 00:55:12,360 the real genius, if I can put it that way, behind the technology 710 00:55:12,400 --> 00:55:15,840 that Massa is used in today, not Vernon von Braun. That's just my 711 00:55:15,880 --> 00:55:19,599 own speculation, but I could be wrong, and you know, I'm not 712 00:55:19,639 --> 00:55:22,320 saying Verna von Braun was. He was no slou cheater. He certainly have 713 00:55:22,440 --> 00:55:25,920 made some contributions. But he had a conscience too, as you know, 714 00:55:25,960 --> 00:55:30,239 as we I found out later that he wasn't really sure if he wanted to 715 00:55:30,239 --> 00:55:34,360 be involved in THEPALL program. He knew about the lie, he knew that 716 00:55:34,360 --> 00:55:37,119 we were on. He knew his early seteen sixty two that they were going 717 00:55:37,159 --> 00:55:40,599 to land on the moon, and he surprised everybody at that time, but 718 00:55:40,800 --> 00:55:45,760 even his close as entourage at a conference one day when he actually announced that, 719 00:55:45,000 --> 00:55:49,639 and much to the chagrin and as surprised for his own colleagues who were 720 00:55:49,679 --> 00:55:53,960 closely tied to him, and they he informed the world before he informed them. 721 00:55:54,199 --> 00:55:58,519 That tells me that he reluctantly did it because he knew this was over. 722 00:56:00,000 --> 00:56:01,519 There's a lot there, there's a lot. Yeah, Yeah, I 723 00:56:01,559 --> 00:56:07,639 was actually doing some calculations the other night, when I'll take it into the 724 00:56:07,679 --> 00:56:12,840 account of the announcement by Kennedy that we're going to go to Moon in sixty 725 00:56:12,880 --> 00:56:17,000 two, and they went in sixty nine, so it's like eight years. 726 00:56:17,000 --> 00:56:20,880 But they even had to sort of put things on the hold because they had 727 00:56:20,920 --> 00:56:23,679 the Apollo one fire in sixty seven I think it was, so they had 728 00:56:23,679 --> 00:56:29,079 to redesign the capsule for that, which holded production for maybe a year and 729 00:56:29,119 --> 00:56:31,920 a half or something. So if that Apollo one fire didn't happen, they 730 00:56:31,920 --> 00:56:37,679 didn't have to redesign the capsule. In Siri, you could have said that 731 00:56:37,719 --> 00:56:40,960 they could have got to the Moon perhaps in six and a half to seven 732 00:56:42,039 --> 00:56:51,079 years, which is just an amazing amount of time really for someone that launched 733 00:56:51,119 --> 00:56:55,480 a man vertically up into space sixty miles up to then three weeks later announcing 734 00:56:55,519 --> 00:56:59,800 they were going to the Moon. It is akin to a kid making a 735 00:56:59,800 --> 00:57:04,000 payper araplane to say that now, in five or six years time, he's 736 00:57:04,000 --> 00:57:07,599 going to go flying from London to New York in a jumbo jet that he's 737 00:57:07,599 --> 00:57:10,360 going to make himself. Yeah, yeah, and we're going to skip all 738 00:57:10,440 --> 00:57:16,079 the technology in between to get there. And that's and that's basically that's that's 739 00:57:16,119 --> 00:57:20,800 a very good analogy. That's exactly what happened. Of course, it turns 740 00:57:20,840 --> 00:57:23,760 out it didn't happen, but that's the impression that they gave that did happen, 741 00:57:24,320 --> 00:57:29,880 right, And I, when I was looking at researching the technology in 742 00:57:29,920 --> 00:57:36,800 both my books, a more reasonable reasonable assessment of how long it would have 743 00:57:36,840 --> 00:57:43,599 taken. That's spending of hundreds of billions of dollars a year possible for man 744 00:57:43,679 --> 00:57:45,199 missions. I'm talking in terms of man missions to the moon and back. 745 00:57:46,559 --> 00:57:52,039 I would say a reasonable assessment back in nineteen sixty one sixty two would have 746 00:57:52,119 --> 00:58:00,400 been at least sixty seven, maybe eight decades to get one with present technology. 747 00:58:00,440 --> 00:58:04,320 I'm not talking about technology that we don't know about, because let's face 748 00:58:04,360 --> 00:58:07,760 it, there seems to be technology out there. We've seen some circumstantial evidence 749 00:58:07,800 --> 00:58:12,800 of that that we can't explain, right, But I'm just talking about in 750 00:58:12,920 --> 00:58:15,960 terms of our own technology. But as you said, they did it well 751 00:58:16,039 --> 00:58:22,000 six seven or eight times within that timeframe. And of course when you mentioned 752 00:58:22,039 --> 00:58:25,559 the nineteen sixty seven tragedy of Apollo one, well that brought that time frame 753 00:58:25,639 --> 00:58:31,360 really down to to three hours because they basically had to redesign that three years. 754 00:58:31,400 --> 00:58:36,199 Rather so they basically had to redesign two years because they landed in nineteen 755 00:58:36,239 --> 00:58:38,599 sixty nine. So they had to basically go back to the drawing board, 756 00:58:38,679 --> 00:58:43,039 keep the basic designer, redesign the whole thing in the systems, the wiring 757 00:58:43,079 --> 00:58:46,880 and everything, and have this ready without virtually any testing. I counted for 758 00:58:47,559 --> 00:58:54,480 a PALL command module test re entries into the Earth's atmosphere four two of them 759 00:58:54,840 --> 00:59:00,599 include two of those four we rather Saturn five, and all three three of 760 00:59:00,599 --> 00:59:07,639 them. Basically, we're almost a disaster. We know Paul six was the 761 00:59:07,679 --> 00:59:09,760 disaster. That was the second old Man launched at the Saturn five. We 762 00:59:09,800 --> 00:59:15,920 know that was a disaster. So the previous three it was really iffy whether 763 00:59:16,039 --> 00:59:20,239 you could tell they were fudging the numbers because there were some anomalies, and 764 00:59:20,360 --> 00:59:24,199 even admitted that, so you had on that basis alone. They put a 765 00:59:24,239 --> 00:59:28,920 crew on board for the first launch, a man crew, which was a 766 00:59:28,960 --> 00:59:31,440 PALL of seven, and they lount that and supposed they work perfectly. I 767 00:59:31,519 --> 00:59:36,599 actually get into that in my third book, because the third book I wrote 768 00:59:36,679 --> 00:59:39,800 is on fiction, and we had fun speculating what was really going on and 769 00:59:39,840 --> 00:59:44,039 what that whole mission was about. If I was to pick one of Paul 770 00:59:44,199 --> 00:59:49,800 mission that was real, I would reluctantly go reluctantly and I say that ephis 771 00:59:49,840 --> 00:59:54,880 is added with Paul seven because that was a low Earth mission, right, 772 00:59:55,239 --> 00:59:59,239 so I would reluctantly go with that. And that wasn't launched on the Saturn 773 00:59:59,320 --> 01:00:05,239 one satur five hours last on the Saturn one be a much smaller with more 774 01:00:06,000 --> 01:00:09,480 with established technology, you know, in terms of that, so it wasn't 775 01:00:09,559 --> 01:00:14,320 using the F one engines. So I had fun in the in my latest 776 01:00:14,320 --> 01:00:16,840 book speculating and what that mission was really all about and what happened on re 777 01:00:17,079 --> 01:00:23,800 entry and and why subsequent missions were canceled after that because of Apollo seventh. 778 01:00:23,840 --> 01:00:30,000 So some intriguing stuff there. Excellent, Ryan, I think we better take 779 01:00:30,000 --> 01:00:32,639 a break here on the Paranormal peep Show. We're talking to Randy Walsh about 780 01:00:32,679 --> 01:00:38,559 all things Apollo and JPL and also the Cohen hell that ties up into it. 781 01:00:39,079 --> 01:00:43,559 So join us in Power two. Well, we'll continue, but will 782 01:00:43,599 --> 01:00:49,519 also be looking into the Kennedy assassination. So stay tuned. The day is 783 01:00:49,559 --> 01:00:57,639 the best day by life listening to the Paranormal UK Read your Network joined Andy 784 01:00:57,679 --> 01:01:01,840 and Leal every month on the paranorl Peach part of the Paranoral UK Radio Network 785 01:01:02,079 --> 01:01:07,480 for fun that frolics and lots of information about weird stuff, UFOs, ghosts 786 01:01:07,679 --> 01:01:12,239 and things that go bump in the night and everything associated with them. Fascinating 787 01:01:12,239 --> 01:01:20,199 guests, fascinating talk, fascinating information. Hello and welcome back. I'm ben 788 01:01:20,239 --> 01:01:23,239 Elin Jones. This is the Paranormal Peep Show and I am here with Neil 789 01:01:23,280 --> 01:01:29,119 Ward and our guest Randy Walsh, and so we're going to continue the conversation 790 01:01:29,360 --> 01:01:32,000 we were having in part one to do with the moon landings and lots of 791 01:01:32,039 --> 01:01:37,800 other subjects that are related so well, Randy, we were just talking about 792 01:01:37,599 --> 01:01:42,320 strange that things going on in the Moon of all kinds. And of course 793 01:01:43,000 --> 01:01:46,960 ever since Apollo there's been there was quite a long sort of strudged through the 794 01:01:46,960 --> 01:01:50,880 desert when it came to doing he exploration. But there have been a number 795 01:01:50,960 --> 01:01:57,719 of unmanned missions by all the nations and including some ones that weren't active original 796 01:01:57,840 --> 01:02:01,719 such as India, China, Japan, Is et centa. So what do 797 01:02:01,760 --> 01:02:05,920 you have to say about those? Because there were some anomalies with those as 798 01:02:05,960 --> 01:02:13,360 well. Aren't that? Yeah, how surprising? You know, one would 799 01:02:13,440 --> 01:02:20,199 think that after five six decades of allmanned probes, that we would have gotten 800 01:02:20,199 --> 01:02:23,119 this right by now, and it just seems that we it's like going back 801 01:02:23,159 --> 01:02:27,119 in time. It's like we just set up the first probe, and here 802 01:02:27,159 --> 01:02:31,239 we have problems all over again with technology that is supposed to have been proven 803 01:02:31,960 --> 01:02:37,960 right, not just with with American technology. We were talking in other countries, 804 01:02:37,960 --> 01:02:43,760 the European Space Agency, Japanese Space Agency, the Chinese, the Indian 805 01:02:43,800 --> 01:02:52,400 Space Agency, and it was a very interesting story about the Indian allmanned probe 806 01:02:52,400 --> 01:02:57,719 I in the interview I was in last week. As I mentioned earlier, 807 01:02:58,840 --> 01:03:04,440 I had a caller ask me, actually he was the He sort of was 808 01:03:04,480 --> 01:03:07,119 a little critical of India and he said, you know they you know, 809 01:03:07,199 --> 01:03:10,920 they don't even have indoor plumbing and yet they landed an all manned probe in 810 01:03:10,960 --> 01:03:15,639 the Moon. And I said, well, I've been to India and India 811 01:03:15,920 --> 01:03:20,239 has they have the extreme poverty, there's no doubt about that, but they 812 01:03:20,239 --> 01:03:25,480 have the opposite, the extreme technological ability by our standards. I mean, 813 01:03:25,519 --> 01:03:29,599 there's there's there's this. Unfortunately, it's no in between, you know, 814 01:03:29,960 --> 01:03:34,679 very wealthy and you know, fluent community. Once you've got you know, 815 01:03:35,800 --> 01:03:38,559 the extreamer on the other side. But they do have some capabilities. But 816 01:03:39,000 --> 01:03:43,960 now they landed. I believe they sent two on them probes to the Moon 817 01:03:44,000 --> 01:03:49,239 recently. One crashed or landed upside down something like that. I mean, 818 01:03:49,239 --> 01:03:53,840 it was really strange and it turns out and I can't prove this, but 819 01:03:54,239 --> 01:03:58,320 from what I've been able just to curse research I've done on this, I 820 01:03:58,320 --> 01:04:01,039 haven't really dealt into a deeply. So I'm sure if I'm wrong, the 821 01:04:01,079 --> 01:04:04,880 comments will tell me I'm wrong. Their viewers are pretty good at that. 822 01:04:05,960 --> 01:04:13,840 I'm sure that. So it seems NASA had either accidentally or purposely given them 823 01:04:13,840 --> 01:04:21,000 the wrong calculations and that caused the mishap with their man probe. And I'm 824 01:04:21,000 --> 01:04:28,760 wondering why is NASA giving them information when they have, you know, their 825 01:04:28,840 --> 01:04:34,000 own capabilities. And then Madi wonder is NASA actually supplying coordinates to all the 826 01:04:34,079 --> 01:04:40,079 others based agencies in the world. In other words, are we seeing some 827 01:04:40,119 --> 01:04:45,000 evidence come to the surface that these amann probes have to see NASA's permission before 828 01:04:45,000 --> 01:04:48,199 they go near the Moon, let alone go near any of the Apollo landing 829 01:04:48,239 --> 01:04:55,719 sites. And that's what I read from this, and so they basically might 830 01:04:56,599 --> 01:04:59,719 Indian. I'm speculating here, but India might have said, well, we're 831 01:04:59,760 --> 01:05:02,199 going to ahead and launched it anyway, so let's as well, let us 832 01:05:02,199 --> 01:05:05,760 help you. And of course the end result wasn't very good for India, 833 01:05:05,760 --> 01:05:10,239 and I believe they latched another one at that time was satisfactory. They had 834 01:05:10,239 --> 01:05:12,800 a successful landing, if I'm not mistaken, or could it be in another 835 01:05:12,840 --> 01:05:20,280 country, but they were steered to the self landing on the south pole of 836 01:05:20,639 --> 01:05:27,840 the lunar surface. So again we have this same scenario repeating itself over again 837 01:05:28,119 --> 01:05:32,079 over that no one's allowed to land on near any of these poles, that 838 01:05:33,239 --> 01:05:38,599 six Apollo landing sites, And we see this scenario play out every time this 839 01:05:38,679 --> 01:05:44,079 happens and fans I've actually and was actually announced at one point that there was 840 01:05:44,440 --> 01:05:49,800 a plan to make those sites into national monuments, even though even though they're 841 01:05:49,800 --> 01:05:53,519 not. They're not actually in the United States, they're actually on the on 842 01:05:53,559 --> 01:05:57,480 the moon. According to the I forgotten the name of the treaty, but 843 01:05:57,559 --> 01:06:02,679 according to various treaties, no one and own land on an extraterrestrial body, 844 01:06:03,480 --> 01:06:08,519 and no one can claim sovereignty over an extratracial body under the current political order. 845 01:06:10,519 --> 01:06:12,920 You know. The thing about it is there is we do live in 846 01:06:12,960 --> 01:06:17,360 the age of proliferation of space technology now, which mirrors the perferation of the 847 01:06:17,480 --> 01:06:23,760 nuclear weapons in the generations before. We have like frast, China, UK, 848 01:06:23,880 --> 01:06:29,119 India. You know, dozens of countries now have an active space program. 849 01:06:29,840 --> 01:06:33,519 And there's even something called the Lunar x Price. This was issued by 850 01:06:33,559 --> 01:06:39,119 Google and it was going to award a price to any privately funded project that 851 01:06:39,119 --> 01:06:42,800 will launch a rocket to the Moon, deploy a mobile lander on the Lula 852 01:06:42,880 --> 01:06:45,840 surface, and travel half a kilometer and radio a signal back, which is 853 01:06:45,880 --> 01:06:50,679 an extraordinary feat. This was only achieved in the sixties with the Lunar Lunar 854 01:06:50,719 --> 01:06:59,880 cod missions, and an American company called Astrobiotic Technology announced at one point it 855 01:06:59,920 --> 01:07:03,199 was going to send a rocket to the landing site of the Apollo eleven lunar 856 01:07:03,239 --> 01:07:09,880 module and send its mobile lander into the vicinity of Tranquility Base to take photographs 857 01:07:09,880 --> 01:07:13,400 and video footage of the lem descend stage, the flag, and any of 858 01:07:13,400 --> 01:07:16,519 the other things that might be there. NASA's reaction was to approach the Google 859 01:07:16,719 --> 01:07:25,199 X Prize organizers and ask them to observe a set of exclusion zones around the 860 01:07:25,320 --> 01:07:29,599 landing site of the Apollo missions. They asked them to be two hundred and 861 01:07:29,639 --> 01:07:34,119 twenty five meters across, and this will include no fly zones above the side, 862 01:07:34,199 --> 01:07:40,400 so the any descending rockets, so that even a rain of rocket vapor 863 01:07:40,440 --> 01:07:46,960 resourced rocket vapor abshorsed doesn't pollute the stasis that is supposedly there. But in 864 01:07:47,000 --> 01:07:51,760 according to a nineteen sixty seven treaty this is the Treaty on the Principles governing 865 01:07:51,800 --> 01:07:58,519 the Activities of States in the exploration and Use of Outer Space, no nation 866 01:07:58,679 --> 01:08:03,400 can claim sovereignty over any part of the non terrestrial body or any part of 867 01:08:03,480 --> 01:08:08,519 space, and that no one can own land on an extra treasure. What 868 01:08:08,639 --> 01:08:11,760 you can't sell parts of the Moon, or sell parts of planets and things 869 01:08:11,760 --> 01:08:15,960 like that the way you can on Earth. And so this is this, 870 01:08:16,079 --> 01:08:20,279 I thought was rather a strange thing, especially considering that other states actors have 871 01:08:20,319 --> 01:08:25,520 also asked made the same statement, they planned to do the same thing, 872 01:08:26,359 --> 01:08:30,680 and again NASA have stepped in and they've either asked nicely or they've tried to 873 01:08:30,680 --> 01:08:32,880 be a bit sneaky about trying to stop that. I mean, you think 874 01:08:33,119 --> 01:08:38,279 you think it'd be very interesting to observe these sites from close quarters. I 875 01:08:38,319 --> 01:08:44,640 mean they have allegedly been They've been spotted by the lunariconsins observer. They've has 876 01:08:44,680 --> 01:08:48,000 taken photographs of what supposedly are these sites. Although Jarald White, our colleague 877 01:08:48,159 --> 01:08:55,000 on the Fellow Polytective, he disbused this and has put forward a very very 878 01:08:55,000 --> 01:09:00,279 good argument why that shouldn't be. But then we have other what's happened since 879 01:09:00,319 --> 01:09:03,439 then? Iss, the various missions that have happened since Apollo have been not 880 01:09:03,479 --> 01:09:06,039 as successful as the Apollo program. In fact, it's a good job there 881 01:09:06,119 --> 01:09:10,439 unmanned, otherwise we'd be dealing with a number of action or deaths. In 882 01:09:10,479 --> 01:09:14,079 the last few years. For example, the Berrostreet one mission, this was 883 01:09:14,800 --> 01:09:19,600 a public private partnership from Israel. Lander was about to land the Bearasheet one 884 01:09:19,680 --> 01:09:25,680 craft on the lunar surface that it failed, literally within a few feet of 885 01:09:25,800 --> 01:09:29,560 landing, almost exactly the same thing at after Chai andre and one, the 886 01:09:29,600 --> 01:09:33,720 first Indian landing mission to the Moon. This failed. And then since then, 887 01:09:33,760 --> 01:09:36,560 I know they've sent to other craft and they've been more successful. But 888 01:09:36,600 --> 01:09:40,880 the first one didn't work, and then since then we've also had them. 889 01:09:41,119 --> 01:09:45,800 I should point out that the I think it was the recent it's not the 890 01:09:45,880 --> 01:09:48,680 one that felt went upside down. I think it was a Japanese mission. 891 01:09:49,039 --> 01:09:53,840 I don't know how the details on here that actually did land successfully, but 892 01:09:53,920 --> 01:09:59,600 something very strange happened. Even though it is technically possible to broadcast a live 893 01:09:59,600 --> 01:10:02,439 stream of these space explorations and ind you get video footage, as we saw 894 01:10:02,479 --> 01:10:09,960 from Mars where we had we had astonishing was astonishing a siny recordings of the 895 01:10:10,039 --> 01:10:13,720 landing of the Perseverance Rover, very high quality. This is the first sinny 896 01:10:13,760 --> 01:10:17,640 recordings ever taken on another planet. It's perfectly technically possible to do that from 897 01:10:17,680 --> 01:10:20,960 the Moon. In fact, allegedly happened in the in the nineteen sixties, 898 01:10:23,560 --> 01:10:26,279 and see there was footage. There's film footage of the landing of the Jade 899 01:10:26,319 --> 01:10:30,760 Rabbit rover on the far side of the Moon from China. Yet when this 900 01:10:30,880 --> 01:10:35,359 mission was in its final stages, there was literally no no footage was broadcast 901 01:10:35,439 --> 01:10:40,960 at all to the public. The public were given views on the camera of 902 01:10:41,000 --> 01:10:46,880 the inside of the mission control room, and you saw an animated graphic of 903 01:10:46,920 --> 01:10:50,960 a spacecraft coming to rest on the lunar surface. And then we waited and 904 01:10:51,039 --> 01:10:57,439 waited to see photographs from the Moon taken by this lander, and everyone was 905 01:10:57,439 --> 01:11:00,079 speculating that something had gone wrong. It's just it's obviously is bugged up again 906 01:11:00,079 --> 01:11:03,920 and crashed, and they just haven't told us. And then literally forty five 907 01:11:03,960 --> 01:11:09,960 minutes or an hour later, suddenly they published photographs, not silly footage, 908 01:11:10,079 --> 01:11:14,319 photographs of the lunar surface, and it looks as you'd expect it to look. 909 01:11:14,560 --> 01:11:17,119 However, there are no recordings. There are no there's no stills, 910 01:11:17,159 --> 01:11:23,800 and there's no silly recordings of any period of the landing. And to me, 911 01:11:23,920 --> 01:11:26,720 this sounds like they're trying to hide something. Everyone thought they were trying 912 01:11:26,760 --> 01:11:28,319 to hide the fact that they had crashed when they said, no, no, 913 01:11:28,359 --> 01:11:30,359 it hasn't crashed. Lo here the pictures. So what exactly were they 914 01:11:30,359 --> 01:11:36,319 trying to hide? I would just your word in of Cinny there, ben 915 01:11:36,880 --> 01:11:42,840 Ciny to me suggests sinny films of the the seventh motion pictures, you know, 916 01:11:42,880 --> 01:11:45,800 motion pictures, video, video, video recordings or something like that. 917 01:11:45,840 --> 01:11:50,119 But yeah, I get ocean pictures. Yeah, yeah, good rabbie. 918 01:11:50,439 --> 01:11:56,159 Just looking at just looking at statistics. Just just and these are NASA's on 919 01:11:56,239 --> 01:12:00,560 statistics. Just go back and look over the last five decades. You have 920 01:12:00,600 --> 01:12:04,119 a forty to fifty percent failure rate when it comes to AMAN missions. And 921 01:12:04,159 --> 01:12:11,560 this again is we're talking lots simpler technology as opposed to MAD missions, because 922 01:12:11,560 --> 01:12:15,399 you don't have to build a bigger ship, you don't have to have atmospheric 923 01:12:15,399 --> 01:12:18,000 conditions, you don't have to bring food. You know, there's many, 924 01:12:18,720 --> 01:12:25,560 many other factors involved. So you're you're dealing with more simple technology, if 925 01:12:25,560 --> 01:12:28,479 I can put it that way. And yeah, we still have a forty 926 01:12:28,520 --> 01:12:31,479 to fifty percent success rate, but well behold, when it comes to MAD 927 01:12:31,479 --> 01:12:38,640 missions, we're talking what ninety five percent? Yeah, and more complex in 928 01:12:38,680 --> 01:12:42,479 terms of its missions. And and another thing that I found very interesting when 929 01:12:42,479 --> 01:12:46,239 you were talking about this so called treaty that the United States has or wants 930 01:12:46,319 --> 01:12:51,880 with otter nations in terms of where they can land on the surface and where 931 01:12:51,920 --> 01:12:57,760 they can't that what was going through my mind when you were talking about that, 932 01:12:57,840 --> 01:13:02,680 Ben, was Antarctica. That's the only other place on Earth where you 933 01:13:02,760 --> 01:13:13,800 have all the nations reluctantly or or willingly agreed to a treaty to block entrance 934 01:13:14,159 --> 01:13:17,399 to the average person. You can go to the North Pole and freeze your 935 01:13:17,439 --> 01:13:19,920 butt off all you like, but you can't go to the South Pole and 936 01:13:20,039 --> 01:13:25,560 do that. You need permission to fly down there. And that gets into 937 01:13:25,680 --> 01:13:28,600 a whole other thing. You know, when you look at Admiral Byrd in 938 01:13:28,640 --> 01:13:31,600 the nineteen fifties when he took an expedition down there and there's a firefight. 939 01:13:31,960 --> 01:13:35,239 What was going on there? And they've been very very strict, And it 940 01:13:35,319 --> 01:13:40,119 tells me and I think it really goes back to your cryptic point bend, 941 01:13:40,880 --> 01:13:44,720 what are they hiding? What are they hiding? And you can say that 942 01:13:44,760 --> 01:13:49,840 about Antarctica too as well as the Runer's surface, and also what was interesting 943 01:13:49,840 --> 01:13:56,720 in what you read there by their own admission, it's illegal. It's illegal 944 01:13:57,000 --> 01:14:02,600 what NASA and the American government is doing in terms of preventing other nations or 945 01:14:02,640 --> 01:14:08,399 telling other nations word the land when it comes to the lunar surface. Right, 946 01:14:09,119 --> 01:14:16,199 So definitely, I would have to conclude that that is just more an 947 01:14:16,239 --> 01:14:21,039 acdotal or circumstances evidence that they're hiding something on the lunar surface. There's definitely 948 01:14:21,079 --> 01:14:26,319 something they don't want people to see now, that is that there is no 949 01:14:26,560 --> 01:14:31,720 remnants of the apoly missions on the lunar surface and six locations that they said 950 01:14:31,760 --> 01:14:35,359 people NASA landed there. It's such a thing too. You mentioned Jared White, 951 01:14:35,600 --> 01:14:40,840 Yes, Jered White's some really good work on the LRL photos. I 952 01:14:40,880 --> 01:14:44,880 actually talked about that briefly my book, my second book. I actually took 953 01:14:44,920 --> 01:14:50,079 photos from nineteen sixty five when they were launching amanproachs back then, and they 954 01:14:50,079 --> 01:14:57,079 were surveilling the Moon, and then we're going to use that to build replicas 955 01:14:57,119 --> 01:15:00,520 of that on Earth to trade the astronauts. Wait, wait, that's where 956 01:15:00,520 --> 01:15:05,680 they actually landed. Well, I am right. And the clarity, the 957 01:15:05,720 --> 01:15:10,680 clarity of those photos too, I'm talking about the untrained eye. I'm not 958 01:15:10,720 --> 01:15:15,359 a photographic expert, and you don't have to be. All you have to 959 01:15:15,359 --> 01:15:17,359 do is you have eyes, you see, and you look at the photos 960 01:15:17,359 --> 01:15:23,319 of nineteen sixty five, compare them to the photos that were taken from the 961 01:15:23,560 --> 01:15:28,560 LRO in two thousand and nine. Right, it's a forty year difference. 962 01:15:28,920 --> 01:15:31,720 Take a look over forty years. Take a look at the comparisons, and 963 01:15:32,000 --> 01:15:36,560 you see clarity in nineteen sixty five almost like it's almost as good as the 964 01:15:36,640 --> 01:15:42,039 three D photos that they produce today. That's how clear These photos in nineteen 965 01:15:42,079 --> 01:15:46,079 sixty five were taken from Amann probes. And we're talking analog photography. Back 966 01:15:46,119 --> 01:15:53,000 then, we're no digital, right, but now we're talking digital capabilities when 967 01:15:53,000 --> 01:15:58,399 it comes to photography. So you take the LRO in nineteen in two thousand 968 01:15:58,439 --> 01:16:03,720 and nine, and they produced very pristine photos of areas of the Moon, 969 01:16:04,359 --> 01:16:09,680 except when it comes to the Apollo landing side. Do you get these fuzzy 970 01:16:10,439 --> 01:16:16,800 you know, distorted lack of detail. I mean that tells you right there, 971 01:16:16,920 --> 01:16:19,960 That tells you right there. It should incriminate every I mean you to 972 01:16:20,119 --> 01:16:25,079 to give some more comparisons. In terms of space safety. I mean, 973 01:16:25,479 --> 01:16:30,600 man spaceflight is not inherently safe. The Space Shuttle program lost two shuttles over 974 01:16:30,640 --> 01:16:33,319 the course of it's where it ran in both incasions. It involved the loss 975 01:16:33,319 --> 01:16:39,199 of all crew, which is what you'd expect. We've you say, the 976 01:16:39,239 --> 01:16:43,119 young Man missions have a if you if you are sending any kind of unmanned 977 01:16:43,159 --> 01:16:46,800 rocket to the Moon, you have like a you basically even it's it's basically 978 01:16:46,800 --> 01:16:51,000 an even bet whether it will ever succeed. And and of course the Space 979 01:16:51,039 --> 01:16:56,239 Shuttle was designed. It actually flew for the first time a decade after Apollo, 980 01:16:56,720 --> 01:17:00,479 and it was it was far more sophisticated machine, and it was and 981 01:17:00,520 --> 01:17:03,319 it was intended for comparatively of very very simple missions. We're talking about low 982 01:17:03,359 --> 01:17:10,239 Earth orbits and then coming down again the Apollo bitch. There were two major 983 01:17:10,279 --> 01:17:15,000 malfunctions in the Apollo program and only there were only three fatalities, so that 984 01:17:15,000 --> 01:17:18,319 that was the three astronauts of Apollo one, and that was during a test 985 01:17:18,359 --> 01:17:23,920 on the launch patter. Technically that wasn't a space mission. Apollo thirteen was. 986 01:17:24,039 --> 01:17:27,479 I mean, Marcus and I have did an entire breakdown of Apollo thirteen 987 01:17:28,039 --> 01:17:30,239 on our show and we could discussed it on the detect. It's extraordinary, 988 01:17:31,960 --> 01:17:34,760 and even that course had a happy ending in the end. I mean, 989 01:17:34,840 --> 01:17:38,119 everyone wondered. It was a lot of doubt and a lot of fear, 990 01:17:38,600 --> 01:17:43,239 but it's extraordinary that a disaster, an accident of that nature of that the 991 01:17:43,279 --> 01:17:47,239 extent of damage that was done to the spacecraft was ended up with all three 992 01:17:47,279 --> 01:17:55,039 asternauts returning safety to Earth. That's really has never happened before where that much 993 01:17:55,119 --> 01:17:58,920 damage is done to a spacecraft. Normally, when that much damage is done 994 01:17:58,960 --> 01:18:02,720 to the vehicle, you basically it's goodbye to the crew. But in this 995 01:18:02,760 --> 01:18:08,920 case they survived, all three survived. These this really should make people think. 996 01:18:08,960 --> 01:18:12,199 It really really oughts along with the verotographic evidence that you mentioned as well. 997 01:18:12,279 --> 01:18:15,479 I mean, really, these this is so incriminating, this circumstantial evidence. 998 01:18:15,279 --> 01:18:19,520 It really is, well, well, where is the where's the common 999 01:18:19,560 --> 01:18:25,079 sense and logic in all of this? And and that's what I put forward 1000 01:18:25,079 --> 01:18:29,319 when I'm discussing this now. And like you know, our science is not 1001 01:18:29,479 --> 01:18:32,119 based on fact. It's not it's not based even on reality. It's based 1002 01:18:32,159 --> 01:18:36,119 on a consensus reality. And that's where scientis is gone. And that's changing 1003 01:18:36,159 --> 01:18:40,920 now that that's changing, as I said earlier, the last four years has 1004 01:18:40,960 --> 01:18:45,640 really opened people's eyes to that. And when it comes to when it comes 1005 01:18:45,680 --> 01:18:53,479 to apall of thirteen, without getting too technical, and again I'm not an 1006 01:18:53,560 --> 01:18:57,239 engineer and I don't pretend to be, but an explosion of that nature, 1007 01:18:57,479 --> 01:19:01,399 just going by NASA's official and I have read this too, NASA's official narrative, 1008 01:19:01,560 --> 01:19:05,720 an explosion of that nature would have taken that whole ship out. There's 1009 01:19:05,760 --> 01:19:11,119 no way that those not. Even even if it didn't take out the command 1010 01:19:11,199 --> 01:19:15,560 module, it certainly would have caused enough damage where there could have been a 1011 01:19:15,680 --> 01:19:19,399 rapid decompression of the atmosphere within side. It would have punched a whole But 1012 01:19:19,640 --> 01:19:25,079 you know, amazingly that didn't happen. And you know, again, it 1013 01:19:25,199 --> 01:19:28,680 just tells me that it's another example of how the whole thing was scripted, 1014 01:19:29,039 --> 01:19:33,520 especially the sling shot around the Moon. The gravity assists the fact that the 1015 01:19:33,640 --> 01:19:39,960 lunar module, by their own admission, the lunar module was not designed to 1016 01:19:40,039 --> 01:19:44,600 get them back to Earth, by their own admission. But lo and behold, 1017 01:19:44,840 --> 01:19:47,880 they managed to just make it work with you know, with some calculations 1018 01:19:47,960 --> 01:19:53,920 sent up by mission control because they had no computer. Their computer in according 1019 01:19:53,920 --> 01:19:58,760 to the official version in the Appal thirteen command module was shut down because they 1020 01:19:58,760 --> 01:20:01,319 had to shut off all the powers systems. Right. And here's one other 1021 01:20:01,479 --> 01:20:03,880 fact that I just want to point out before we move on. When it 1022 01:20:03,920 --> 01:20:13,199 comes to Paul thirteen. You're familiar with the passive thermal control, yes things, 1023 01:20:13,439 --> 01:20:15,359 Oh yes, that's it with Bob. Yeah, yeah, exactly. 1024 01:20:15,800 --> 01:20:20,359 So barbecue mode. Yeah, that's that's that's that's what it's overheat saying, 1025 01:20:20,439 --> 01:20:27,239 yeah exactly. So from my understanding is that the command module makes a full 1026 01:20:27,399 --> 01:20:31,720 rotation once every twenty minutes. Okay, so that's three rotations an hour, 1027 01:20:32,079 --> 01:20:35,600 and the whole idea, of course, is to dissipate the heat to distribute 1028 01:20:35,600 --> 01:20:40,199 the heat, which makes really no sense. They would have been better off 1029 01:20:40,279 --> 01:20:44,039 just leaving, I think, without have the heat on one side, because 1030 01:20:44,079 --> 01:20:47,039 if you're talking about, you know, space being a vacuum, right, 1031 01:20:47,119 --> 01:20:50,159 and we get into all that aspect. But here's what really amazes me with 1032 01:20:50,199 --> 01:20:54,560 this. So on the way to the Moon and on the way back, 1033 01:20:54,760 --> 01:21:00,279 they put the command module into the barbecue roll, all right, to from 1034 01:21:00,279 --> 01:21:03,680 their own narrative, to reduce the amount of heat that they're getting from the 1035 01:21:03,720 --> 01:21:08,600 sun because they're in direct sunlight all right, or direct sun rays. Okay, 1036 01:21:09,319 --> 01:21:15,960 So but the official narrative in Apoll thirteen is backwards. So now they're 1037 01:21:15,000 --> 01:21:19,600 saying that the astronauts were starting to freeze, right, So while they were 1038 01:21:19,600 --> 01:21:24,840 freezing, they also have it have it in barbecue mode to keep the heat 1039 01:21:24,880 --> 01:21:28,840 down. Well, there's a contradiction here, are you keeping the heat down? 1040 01:21:29,600 --> 01:21:31,640 Why are you keeping the heat down if the astronauts in the lunar module, 1041 01:21:31,680 --> 01:21:35,039 because they've all moved into the lunar module right, are now freezing. 1042 01:21:35,439 --> 01:21:39,880 But they probably, of course, they kept the corridor, you know, 1043 01:21:39,960 --> 01:21:44,119 the tunnel between connecting the lunar module and the command module together, so they 1044 01:21:44,159 --> 01:21:47,039 can go back and forth. Now, the narrative actually says that the astronauts, 1045 01:21:47,159 --> 01:21:50,960 one of them at a time, took turn sleeping in the command module 1046 01:21:51,039 --> 01:21:55,279 and the other two we're manning the ships, shall I say, in the 1047 01:21:55,359 --> 01:21:59,279 lunar module. But then it turned out that he now everybody had to take 1048 01:21:59,279 --> 01:22:03,800 turns sleeping within the lunar module because it was too cold in the command module. 1049 01:22:03,840 --> 01:22:06,199 But that doesn't make any sense. Why would it be too cold? 1050 01:22:06,880 --> 01:22:11,880 Why didn't you stop the barbecue roll? Maybe that might have helped. Why 1051 01:22:11,960 --> 01:22:15,239 is it that we're talking about a ship that's only about two three feet away 1052 01:22:15,800 --> 01:22:21,279 from them with an open tunnel that's cold, right, and now the lunar 1053 01:22:21,319 --> 01:22:26,800 module is cold. While they argue that because we turn off the electronics, 1054 01:22:26,880 --> 01:22:30,000 that's not producing heat, but that doesn't make any sense because then they continued 1055 01:22:30,039 --> 01:22:33,399 with the barbecue roll. If they were that cold, why did they continue 1056 01:22:33,479 --> 01:22:38,079 with the barbecue role? So you see, their own narrative doesn't add up. 1057 01:22:38,279 --> 01:22:41,880 And that to me is what I mentioned earlier. Where's the logic and 1058 01:22:41,920 --> 01:22:45,159 common sense in this? Because my question to answer would be, well, 1059 01:22:45,479 --> 01:22:48,800 how could they be cold when you actually had to take precautions from the sun? 1060 01:22:50,119 --> 01:22:56,119 How is it that shutting down the electronics in the command module while you 1061 01:22:56,600 --> 01:23:00,800 seemingly you have the electronics working in the lunar module because your now rely on 1062 01:23:00,840 --> 01:23:05,319 a lunarmodule computer, right, which is less powerful? How is it now 1063 01:23:05,359 --> 01:23:09,880 that it's too cool? So there's all these kinds I don't have an answer, 1064 01:23:09,920 --> 01:23:13,560 But there's all these kinds of questions that come up. So I asked 1065 01:23:13,600 --> 01:23:15,119 when I said earlier, the devil is in the details, and when you 1066 01:23:15,159 --> 01:23:18,640 read those details, you just see yourself. Yet that doesn't make any sense, 1067 01:23:19,000 --> 01:23:24,319 whereas the larger and common sense here I find it. Also an irony 1068 01:23:24,720 --> 01:23:30,560 is that in nineteen seventy one when a part of thirteen occurred, it was 1069 01:23:30,600 --> 01:23:34,600 also during the Vietnam War, and yet they got the whole world to pray 1070 01:23:34,760 --> 01:23:40,479 for these three astronauts that God preturns them safety to Earth. Yet no one 1071 01:23:40,600 --> 01:23:45,520 was praying for any of the Vietnam soldiers or the North Vietmanes people dying in 1072 01:23:45,560 --> 01:23:50,079 a conflict that was happening right next doorland virtually, and they're praying for three 1073 01:23:50,119 --> 01:23:55,359 complete strangers in out of space. It was a published, well, total 1074 01:23:55,399 --> 01:24:00,239 publicity. It was made to play into people's imaginations and win their high hearts 1075 01:24:00,279 --> 01:24:03,199 and minds, which is a phrase used in the Vietnam War strategy to win 1076 01:24:03,239 --> 01:24:06,279 the hearts and minds of the American people for a particular purpose. Yeah, 1077 01:24:06,520 --> 01:24:10,399 yeah, yeah, yeah, it is, it is. It is a 1078 01:24:10,439 --> 01:24:15,520 point well taken. And you know, and then you had the famous sportscaster 1079 01:24:15,760 --> 01:24:19,640 Harod le sal and then, you know, interrupting a football game announcing the 1080 01:24:19,680 --> 01:24:25,960 tragedy or the the seriousness situation that was going on with a Paul thirteen. 1081 01:24:26,039 --> 01:24:28,800 But you know, you're right. I don't think he's ever paid homage to 1082 01:24:28,960 --> 01:24:32,640 the young men and women that were losing their lives on both sides in the 1083 01:24:32,720 --> 01:24:39,159 Vietnam War. That's very interesting, and that's a very good point, Neil. 1084 01:24:39,960 --> 01:24:43,000 There was one other point I wanted to mention about. Yeah, and 1085 01:24:43,000 --> 01:24:45,479 when it comes to Paul thirteen, I know you've talked a lot about this, 1086 01:24:45,520 --> 01:24:46,880 so we won't get in I'm sure we don't need to go int it 1087 01:24:46,920 --> 01:24:51,199 here. But there is a lot of I would say more than circumstanceial levelments. 1088 01:24:51,199 --> 01:24:57,960 There's actually photographic evidence that the Soviet Union and the Americans were a lot 1089 01:24:58,039 --> 01:25:00,279 working a lot closely when it came to a p or thirteen. That's an 1090 01:25:00,439 --> 01:25:05,560 established fact now. Well, of course they were planning for the Apollo Sawyers 1091 01:25:05,600 --> 01:25:11,439 link up later on in seventy three or four. I can't remember, yeah, 1092 01:25:11,640 --> 01:25:15,760 which I believe the handshake if I'm correct in memory, the handshake that 1093 01:25:15,800 --> 01:25:24,920 occurred between the Russian cosmonaut and the American I don't know who was it Albin 1094 01:25:25,039 --> 01:25:30,800 or something or even Skylab wasn't he? But between the US astronaut and the 1095 01:25:30,840 --> 01:25:35,079 Cosmo or the handshake between the Apollow Sawers link up occurred over Bournemouth, which 1096 01:25:35,159 --> 01:25:39,920 is the seaside town less than an hour away from where I am, so 1097 01:25:40,279 --> 01:25:45,000 oh seriously looking up in the sky and yeah, yeah, I remember as 1098 01:25:45,000 --> 01:25:47,920 a kid looking at the sky and you could see sky Lab quite clearly. 1099 01:25:48,079 --> 01:25:51,880 You know. So when you people say fake space is totally fake, there's 1100 01:25:51,920 --> 01:25:56,600 nothing out there. I absolutely convinced there are objects up there. You know, 1101 01:25:56,640 --> 01:25:59,520 you see these things all but in from time to time. Shy Lab 1102 01:25:59,640 --> 01:26:02,600 is a very very very bright all matine object at the time, and of 1103 01:26:02,600 --> 01:26:06,479 course when they filmed sky that returning to Earth anyway as it come, you 1104 01:26:06,520 --> 01:26:13,119 know, broken up fragments of broken satellites. Well, it's interesting that you 1105 01:26:13,239 --> 01:26:17,199 mentioned Skylab because Skylab, and I believe that they do have low worth capability. 1106 01:26:18,800 --> 01:26:21,319 You know, there are some things that are real. A lot of 1107 01:26:21,319 --> 01:26:24,680 things are fake, but there are some things that are real. And I 1108 01:26:24,720 --> 01:26:29,600 agree with you that they do have that capability. But it's no practical use. 1109 01:26:29,640 --> 01:26:32,199 There's just no use for it unless you you know, you're using it 1110 01:26:32,239 --> 01:26:36,600 as a stepping stone to get to other planets. But of course that involves 1111 01:26:38,039 --> 01:26:44,760 exotic technology that we don't have. But Skylab, just to before I leave 1112 01:26:44,880 --> 01:26:47,039 my mind here, Skylab, of course was the last, I believe, 1113 01:26:47,079 --> 01:26:51,840 the last launch of a Saturn five and that was in what nineteen seventy five, 1114 01:26:53,640 --> 01:26:56,279 and it was in nineteen seventy three or nineteen seventy five on those one 1115 01:26:56,319 --> 01:27:00,239 of those years. And of course Skylab was damaged when they had discovered that 1116 01:27:00,279 --> 01:27:05,880 Skylight was damaged on when it reached lower th orbit, and of course that 1117 01:27:06,039 --> 01:27:10,600 caused its decay over the next seventy years and then re entered the Yeares's atmosphere. 1118 01:27:10,600 --> 01:27:14,800 I believe in nineteen seventy nine that what's interesting about that they've come up 1119 01:27:14,840 --> 01:27:18,439 with all kinds of reasons why Skylight was damaged, right, and they did, 1120 01:27:18,560 --> 01:27:23,600 of course send several crews up there. But I speculate, and this 1121 01:27:23,720 --> 01:27:28,760 is just one more speculation. I believe that the Saturn five launches, the 1122 01:27:30,119 --> 01:27:34,079 PALL program was to hide there were true reason for the Saturn five launches. 1123 01:27:34,079 --> 01:27:38,319 I think they were actually trying to get something out of those engines. They 1124 01:27:38,319 --> 01:27:43,520 may have succeeded temporarily, and I think when it came to the last launch 1125 01:27:43,800 --> 01:27:48,520 of Skylight with the Saturn five, I believe that there was a failure of 1126 01:27:48,640 --> 01:27:53,720 one of the engines or two of the engines in the app one first stage 1127 01:27:53,720 --> 01:27:58,119 of the Saturn five, which probably caused the damage to Skylight, because remember, 1128 01:27:59,000 --> 01:28:01,239 when you look back, had the launch of a Paul six, which 1129 01:28:01,399 --> 01:28:06,640 was the second launch of an anmanned Saturn five that was almost a catastrophic failure, 1130 01:28:08,199 --> 01:28:12,159 and there is an engineer. It was closely tied to the appall program. 1131 01:28:12,279 --> 01:28:15,079 You can he's on YouTube. We've all seen them speak and he said 1132 01:28:15,079 --> 01:28:19,159 that if there had been a crew on board, because of the pogo effect 1133 01:28:19,199 --> 01:28:23,880 and the vibration, if there had been a crew on board, they would 1134 01:28:23,920 --> 01:28:28,239 have had to aboard. That's how serious that that that second launch was. 1135 01:28:28,279 --> 01:28:31,600 And of course then of course they went from that launch onmanned seven months later 1136 01:28:31,880 --> 01:28:36,680 to amand launch on Saturn five, but no testing in between, either static 1137 01:28:38,000 --> 01:28:43,159 and or flight testing, and it was supposedly perfect. And so I think 1138 01:28:43,159 --> 01:28:46,279 there were definitely that was one aspect of the Saturn five program. And after 1139 01:28:46,399 --> 01:28:49,640 the launch of Skylab, that's when they discontinued it. They just weren't able 1140 01:28:49,680 --> 01:28:55,840 to succeed in getting any reliable output from the EPP one engines. So thinks 1141 01:28:56,279 --> 01:29:00,800 I think Skylab was a very expensive team county in space just to black wooster 1142 01:29:00,840 --> 01:29:05,680 bubbles. Really yeah, yeah, yeah, and no practical purpose whatever. 1143 01:29:05,880 --> 01:29:12,720 And really notice no spation really does unless unless when we go back to the 1144 01:29:12,840 --> 01:29:16,720 nineteen fifties and take Vernon von Braun's concept or maybe Jack Parsons, maybe he 1145 01:29:16,840 --> 01:29:19,079 was the one that came up with that idea, and maybe that's why he 1146 01:29:19,159 --> 01:29:24,279 was possibly silenced. Right, maybe it was him, but because they had 1147 01:29:24,359 --> 01:29:30,720 to justify bringing Nazi scientists over to America after World War Two, so they 1148 01:29:30,720 --> 01:29:33,079 needed some justification for that. And of course the Soviet Union had their their 1149 01:29:33,199 --> 01:29:36,560 bunch as well. But I'm wondering if a lot of those ideas were really 1150 01:29:36,640 --> 01:29:40,760 Jack Parsons idea, and it had needed to get him out of the way, 1151 01:29:41,119 --> 01:29:43,680 or maybe they did get him out of way. Maybe it was a 1152 01:29:43,720 --> 01:29:46,680 fake death. I don't know, right, but Vernon von Braun just given 1153 01:29:46,800 --> 01:29:50,119 him the benefit of the doubt that he came up with this. The only 1154 01:29:50,159 --> 01:29:54,800 sole purpose I could see for a space station is to use as a platform 1155 01:29:54,920 --> 01:29:59,880 to launch. It's impractical to be launching from Earth. You cannot launch an 1156 01:30:00,000 --> 01:30:02,640 anything heavier than a Saturn five. It just if you had an explosion at 1157 01:30:02,640 --> 01:30:09,119 the Saturn five rocket on the launch pad, it would be equivalent to one 1158 01:30:09,199 --> 01:30:13,199 kilo tom bomb, a small atomic bomb, with the devastation would be enormous. 1159 01:30:13,199 --> 01:30:15,840 You couldn't be around, you couldn't be anywhere near five or ten miles 1160 01:30:15,840 --> 01:30:21,079 of that explosion. Right, and try building something bigger and then do the 1161 01:30:21,079 --> 01:30:27,560 map. Try multiply to thrust the thrust output from the Saturn five engines, 1162 01:30:27,560 --> 01:30:31,600 which is seven point five million pounds of trust. Multiply that by three times, 1163 01:30:32,199 --> 01:30:36,000 and think of what will happen if there was a catastrophic explosion within at 1164 01:30:36,039 --> 01:30:40,199 the city. You'd have to be a minimum ten to fifteen miles away from 1165 01:30:40,199 --> 01:30:44,079 there. It's just not practical. It's not practical. So if we were 1166 01:30:44,119 --> 01:30:48,680 really serious about MAD missions, they would have been working on vernonon Bron's idea 1167 01:30:49,199 --> 01:30:56,119 concept rather in the nineteen fifties of building a space platform, and that is 1168 01:30:56,560 --> 01:31:00,279 that would take decades to do that in and of itself, to require decades, 1169 01:31:00,439 --> 01:31:06,000 tons of research, lots of you know, incredible minds to make this 1170 01:31:06,119 --> 01:31:09,439 work. It would have been at least three to four decades. That's what 1171 01:31:09,520 --> 01:31:13,039 I meant earlier when I said if they were going to launch anything to the 1172 01:31:13,079 --> 01:31:16,359 Moon man wise to the Moon or Mars, even which Mars is impossible. 1173 01:31:16,439 --> 01:31:21,560 You cannot launch a man mission to Mars with this technology. You cannot survive. 1174 01:31:21,640 --> 01:31:25,880 You won't survive that ten on trip. It's not survivable, all right. 1175 01:31:26,199 --> 01:31:28,760 And you don't even have to know the sized background to know it's not 1176 01:31:28,760 --> 01:31:32,279 survivable. You just have to use logic and common sense. But I do 1177 01:31:32,439 --> 01:31:36,960 believe that it would have taken several decades to get that platform and that apparatus 1178 01:31:36,960 --> 01:31:43,199 in lower thorbit then to use as a launch base a launch vehicle to send 1179 01:31:43,319 --> 01:31:47,239 other man missions from there out. And also it would be like like a 1180 01:31:47,279 --> 01:31:54,399 repair station and a rescue station. There was absolutely no means of rescuing a 1181 01:31:54,479 --> 01:31:57,800 man crewed that might have been in distress between here and the Moon, So 1182 01:31:57,840 --> 01:32:01,600 they had no means of doing that. So basically it was the one way 1183 01:32:01,640 --> 01:32:04,840 mission is eider do or die. You were you know, anything happened, 1184 01:32:04,880 --> 01:32:09,720 you were not coming back. So just on that basis alone, just when 1185 01:32:09,720 --> 01:32:14,319 you think about the that basis the psychology is b of Barts of Brill said, 1186 01:32:14,359 --> 01:32:16,680 and I agree with him. If people could just let go are their 1187 01:32:16,760 --> 01:32:20,560 emotional ties to the part program, they'll see it for what it really is. 1188 01:32:21,000 --> 01:32:25,880 Penny's rake. Yeah, yeah, So I had the one thing about 1189 01:32:25,920 --> 01:32:28,720 that because that's very interesting. Sure, just a couple of things. Firstly, 1190 01:32:29,000 --> 01:32:32,000 as far as as far as the issue with with the Soviet cooperation, 1191 01:32:32,159 --> 01:32:36,880 there's a book called National National Suicide by Anthony Sutton. This isn't about the 1192 01:32:36,920 --> 01:32:42,159 space missions, but it is about Soviets American relations before and during the Cold 1193 01:32:42,239 --> 01:32:47,239 War, and which is is totally utterly different to what we the public were 1194 01:32:47,239 --> 01:32:51,960 told about Soviet American relations. And it mirrors with the Nazi Soviet related the 1195 01:32:53,039 --> 01:32:58,119 Nazi Soviet and the Nazi American relations and Nazi British relations in World War Two 1196 01:32:58,159 --> 01:33:02,359 as well. And before that act, Arthur C. Clarke wrote to a 1197 01:33:02,439 --> 01:33:05,600 story. It was actually a serialized story, and it was called The Other 1198 01:33:05,640 --> 01:33:10,319 Side of the Sky and it was about It was a fiction that was written 1199 01:33:10,319 --> 01:33:14,880 in nineteen fifty two and it was all about the first ever a fictional account 1200 01:33:14,920 --> 01:33:17,720 of the first Mad mission to the Moon. Now, as you point out 1201 01:33:17,800 --> 01:33:24,640 Arthur C. Clark's stories, he regularly consulted with scientists and people in the 1202 01:33:24,680 --> 01:33:29,920 early in the early space program. He regularly consulted with these people and this 1203 01:33:29,960 --> 01:33:33,640 is and this so this story is based on his discussions with scientists. In 1204 01:33:33,680 --> 01:33:40,520 this particular story, there's these rockets to the Moon. They launched from, 1205 01:33:40,560 --> 01:33:45,119 as Randy has just described, an orbiting space platform. They're constructed in space 1206 01:33:45,560 --> 01:33:47,880 and they're launched from an orbiting space platform to the Moon. And then they 1207 01:33:47,880 --> 01:33:50,920 go into orbit and then there's like a descent stage. So it's a very 1208 01:33:50,920 --> 01:33:56,840 interesting story written along before any any real space missions. It's very interesting. 1209 01:33:57,319 --> 01:34:00,920 Well two thousand and one displayed that kind of idea very well really with its 1210 01:34:01,159 --> 01:34:06,119 orbit in space station. You have the Orion Shuttle go up to the space 1211 01:34:06,159 --> 01:34:11,439 station and then they took a further ship out a different I think it was 1212 01:34:11,479 --> 01:34:14,640 a I forget what they called it, but as a Moon shuttle or something 1213 01:34:14,720 --> 01:34:17,159 that was called. It wasn't anything like the Orion shuttle that launched from Earth 1214 01:34:17,239 --> 01:34:23,640 to the space station. And then this shuttle landed down on the on the 1215 01:34:23,640 --> 01:34:28,239 Moon and landed on the base that they had on the Moon, which was 1216 01:34:28,560 --> 01:34:30,520 yeah, I mean that was that film was very advanced for its time in 1217 01:34:30,800 --> 01:34:35,640 the concept of everything, and really that's how presumably you should be doing stuff 1218 01:34:35,720 --> 01:34:40,920 now, and it's only yeah, sure, it's only in this day and 1219 01:34:40,960 --> 01:34:44,880 age. Now they're talking about those kind of concepts in practical ways, like 1220 01:34:44,920 --> 01:34:53,359 they're talking about a lunar gateway and a else a lunar gateway. They're talking 1221 01:34:53,359 --> 01:34:59,119 about maybe a space station orbit in maybe the Moon sort of the Earth at 1222 01:34:59,119 --> 01:35:01,159 some point, but certainly they talk about a lunar gateway, which is a 1223 01:35:01,199 --> 01:35:04,880 space station basically orbit in the Moon, and the idea is that a craft 1224 01:35:04,920 --> 01:35:11,560 will fly out to the Moon, dock with this orbit in gateway, as 1225 01:35:11,560 --> 01:35:15,239 they call it, and then take a secondary craft down to the Moon from 1226 01:35:15,279 --> 01:35:19,119 there. There are decads away from constructing anything of that at the minute. 1227 01:35:19,159 --> 01:35:24,359 I mean, it's all kind of just on the drawing board at the minute, 1228 01:35:24,680 --> 01:35:29,039 and budgets and plans will likely change anyway. But that is very hard 1229 01:35:29,079 --> 01:35:33,119 to see Clark at that particular point anyway, except they've moved the orbit in 1230 01:35:33,199 --> 01:35:36,119 space station from Earth. They've moved it bright into the orbit of the Moon. 1231 01:35:38,359 --> 01:35:41,720 I don't know why, but they seem to think that it's the Moon 1232 01:35:41,840 --> 01:35:44,600 is a good place to jump off to go to Mars. But essentially you 1233 01:35:44,680 --> 01:35:48,039 still got to launch people from Earth to get up into space to then land 1234 01:35:48,079 --> 01:35:50,479 on the Moon, to then take off from the Moon to go to Mars. 1235 01:35:50,479 --> 01:35:53,439 You think, why don't just do it in one trip. I don't 1236 01:35:53,479 --> 01:35:56,800 know that was correct. Actually. The story is called Adventures to the Moon. 1237 01:35:57,199 --> 01:36:00,119 It's a series of a six connected stories that were published in The Evening 1238 01:36:00,199 --> 01:36:04,279 Standard and now in some of the books of the off sea Clark. But 1239 01:36:04,479 --> 01:36:08,840 it's a really fascinating thing to read. Again, the scientists in the nineteen 1240 01:36:08,840 --> 01:36:14,159 fifties, we're not talking about the kind of space mission eventually emerged a decade 1241 01:36:14,239 --> 01:36:17,680 later from NASA. So why did they why did they change the entire mission 1242 01:36:17,720 --> 01:36:26,520 profile? Well, it's interesting too. It's interesting to note too that I 1243 01:36:26,600 --> 01:36:32,760 believe Arthur C. Clark had intelligence connections too, So I'm wondering if a 1244 01:36:32,800 --> 01:36:39,720 lot of what he was writing was a syops. And I mean his ideas 1245 01:36:39,800 --> 01:36:44,520 are far I think, more tangible then the idea they ultimately came up with, 1246 01:36:45,039 --> 01:36:48,439 you know, with the watching from from Earth and then they the lunar 1247 01:36:48,560 --> 01:36:56,039 orbited lunar orbit rendeview. That method was you know, it's just just it's 1248 01:36:56,079 --> 01:36:59,319 just it's just not feasible. But that was probably the only way they can 1249 01:36:59,359 --> 01:37:02,680 sell I mean, let's be if they were to go with either vernevon Brockets. 1250 01:37:02,680 --> 01:37:06,319 Remember if Vernab Brown wanted to do what was called a direct entry and 1251 01:37:06,439 --> 01:37:12,119 back. It's like he wanted he had a massive rocket the size of he 1252 01:37:12,159 --> 01:37:15,199 wanted to launch something the size of the Empire State building from Earth. He 1253 01:37:15,239 --> 01:37:17,199 said, if you're going to launch from Earth. That's the only way you're 1254 01:37:17,199 --> 01:37:21,239 going to be able to do this, all right, And so you're not 1255 01:37:21,239 --> 01:37:25,680 going to launch a rocket the size of the Empire State Building. Then you're 1256 01:37:25,720 --> 01:37:31,800 looking at launching three, maybe four rockets, not as large as the Empire 1257 01:37:31,840 --> 01:37:38,760 State Building, but certainly larger than at the launched the equipment to get them 1258 01:37:38,760 --> 01:37:42,159 there, that the propellant that they would really need. So when you know, 1259 01:37:42,359 --> 01:37:45,399 you really put that, that really puts it all into perspective. It 1260 01:37:45,479 --> 01:37:47,520 really does. I mean, the whole thing was a syops and and and 1261 01:37:47,560 --> 01:37:50,800 it ties in with some many other aspects, which again I get into. 1262 01:37:50,920 --> 01:37:55,439 I was because you know, uh, in my new book, I'm you 1263 01:37:55,479 --> 01:37:59,720 know, it's fiction, and I was able to speculate. So it's everything 1264 01:37:59,760 --> 01:38:03,760 I've learned in the last five six years, all my research inside and outside 1265 01:38:03,800 --> 01:38:06,520 of my two books all comminated in that one. And he gave us a 1266 01:38:06,600 --> 01:38:10,640 chest to sort of go down to rabbit holes and speculate a little bit. 1267 01:38:10,760 --> 01:38:15,279 And actually we based it on truth saw That's just something to keep in mind 1268 01:38:15,319 --> 01:38:19,840 about the RTC. Clark that he had intelligence connections. So just for people 1269 01:38:19,840 --> 01:38:24,319 to keep that in mind, I think we'll move on there from the Apollos 1270 01:38:24,359 --> 01:38:27,399 there. I just want to say this very briefly though, and it's concerning 1271 01:38:27,439 --> 01:38:30,880 the radiation, the Van Allen radiation belts, you know, because you know, 1272 01:38:30,920 --> 01:38:33,159 you talk about the original concept was the size of the Saturn five being 1273 01:38:33,199 --> 01:38:38,600 the size of the Empire State Building. And I remember Vernavon Brown talking in 1274 01:38:38,640 --> 01:38:41,439 the nineteen fifties film saying the size of a ship would have to be the 1275 01:38:41,439 --> 01:38:44,079 size of the Queen Mary, which is probably the same size as the Empire 1276 01:38:44,119 --> 01:38:48,720 State Building or something like that. But also when they launched launched Explorer one 1277 01:38:48,840 --> 01:38:53,640 or whatever the ships were that went up to detect the van and radiation belts, 1278 01:38:53,640 --> 01:38:59,199 so they suspected something was up there, and Van Allen himself, James 1279 01:38:59,279 --> 01:39:02,920 Van Allen, confirmed it, and basically he wrote an article that says that 1280 01:39:03,359 --> 01:39:11,600 these two belts of radiation will be prohibitive to safe land spaceflight basically, and 1281 01:39:11,600 --> 01:39:15,840 then hey, presto, a few years later they're launching people through them, 1282 01:39:15,560 --> 01:39:20,199 and it's only we're impressed that NASA says, oh yeah, well they received 1283 01:39:20,239 --> 01:39:24,720 nothing more than a chest X ray. It makes you wondered thinking, well, 1284 01:39:24,760 --> 01:39:29,479 why didn't Van Allen say that in his article saying, yeah, it's 1285 01:39:29,479 --> 01:39:31,239 perfectly safe to fly through the Van Allen ration belts, so that it's launched, 1286 01:39:31,239 --> 01:39:34,159 you fly through it very fast, you're likely to get nothing more than 1287 01:39:34,159 --> 01:39:38,680 a chest X ray. It doesn't bear thinking about. Really, he was 1288 01:39:38,800 --> 01:39:42,920 writing, kind of some extremely dangerous stuff it's to travel through. And yet 1289 01:39:42,960 --> 01:39:45,439 here we are being told that they're getting nothing more than a chest X ray. 1290 01:39:46,239 --> 01:39:49,520 And yeah, they's still later on they're talking about the dangers of radiation, 1291 01:39:50,239 --> 01:39:53,439 thinking, well, hang on, it was a chest X ray fifty 1292 01:39:53,479 --> 01:39:58,560 years ago. What's changed. Yeah, And it's very interesting because back in 1293 01:39:58,640 --> 01:40:02,439 nineteen fifty eight, when James Van Allen himself said that, and he was 1294 01:40:02,479 --> 01:40:08,000 asked, are a man missions to them, you know, traveling through the 1295 01:40:08,159 --> 01:40:12,000 island belts, possibly said no, unless you go through the North and South 1296 01:40:12,039 --> 01:40:15,560 Pole. But when you think about that for a second, that's an enormous 1297 01:40:15,640 --> 01:40:21,640 distance for any spacecraft. Poly missions with their limited propelling capacity would have to 1298 01:40:21,680 --> 01:40:27,119 travel, and you're talking tens of thousands of miles more off their track to 1299 01:40:27,199 --> 01:40:30,479 get you know, to go north because they lost in the equator, so 1300 01:40:30,520 --> 01:40:33,279 they'd have to go north through the North Pole or through the South Pole and 1301 01:40:33,600 --> 01:40:39,000 you're talking a huge amount of distance, so you would have to carry more 1302 01:40:39,119 --> 01:40:42,880 fuel. Now, as for the Van Allen bells, so you have the 1303 01:40:42,880 --> 01:40:45,880 the two of them, right, but there's not there's not just two. 1304 01:40:45,319 --> 01:40:48,600 It depends on what time, what time of year we're talking about, because 1305 01:40:49,159 --> 01:40:54,279 solar flares can crate a third artificial radiation belt. And then you have the 1306 01:40:55,119 --> 01:40:59,680 uh, the nuclear explosions that were launched, the three nuclear missiles that were 1307 01:40:59,760 --> 01:41:04,359 launched into lower orbit in the nineteen fifty eight nineteen fifty nine which contaminated and 1308 01:41:04,439 --> 01:41:09,840 caused a third belt. And then you have the thermal nuclear explosion that was 1309 01:41:09,920 --> 01:41:14,439 launched in nineteen sixty two. That's a thermonuclear weapon at least one thousand to 1310 01:41:14,760 --> 01:41:18,399 two thousand times more powerful than either of the previous weapons they launched, and 1311 01:41:18,439 --> 01:41:26,159 that contaminated. There was a basic and being very basic here, but you're 1312 01:41:26,439 --> 01:41:30,359 talking about a half life of some serious intest radiation of twenty five plus years, 1313 01:41:31,000 --> 01:41:35,720 and that's still a factor up there. So then when you factor in 1314 01:41:35,760 --> 01:41:40,920 the Apollo the August four, nineteen seventy two event, just before the last 1315 01:41:41,039 --> 01:41:47,600 so called Apollo mission Apollo seventeen, you had a radiation belt that formed from 1316 01:41:47,760 --> 01:41:55,000 the massive solo flare that they had back then. NASA itself admits that if 1317 01:41:55,000 --> 01:41:58,840 the astronauts hadn't been caught on that they would have been killed instantly. And 1318 01:41:58,920 --> 01:42:00,880 yeah, of course five months they went ahead launched the crew. Anyway, 1319 01:42:01,000 --> 01:42:05,720 you know that there's that logic and common sets again, right, So you 1320 01:42:05,800 --> 01:42:10,359 so you're looking at not just two. So you've got the inner belt, 1321 01:42:10,680 --> 01:42:15,680 the inner dominated proton belt, and then you've got the the that's the natural 1322 01:42:15,760 --> 01:42:19,199 form belt, and then you've got the outer supposedly less intense electron belt. 1323 01:42:19,359 --> 01:42:24,439 All right, And of course NASA said that it went through the outer regions 1324 01:42:24,479 --> 01:42:27,800 of the outer belt, but then when you look at its trajectory, they 1325 01:42:27,800 --> 01:42:31,000 contradict themselves because it's not always night. It's not always what they say it 1326 01:42:31,039 --> 01:42:34,800 is. And then and then then add in the other two or three artificial 1327 01:42:34,880 --> 01:42:38,880 radiation belts, and you're a lot longer there. Now. When you're talking 1328 01:42:38,960 --> 01:42:43,159 radiation, as you just mentioned earlier, when you talk in radiation, wouldn't 1329 01:42:43,159 --> 01:42:47,239 you want to be as specific as possible when it comes to time that you're 1330 01:42:47,239 --> 01:42:51,840 going to be in that radiation region because of the exposure to the astroskers. 1331 01:42:51,920 --> 01:42:59,119 Remember, the astronauts had no radiation protection. The the the the material that 1332 01:42:59,239 --> 01:43:03,439 the commandment was made out of, it attenuates that theories it's supposed to attenuate 1333 01:43:03,520 --> 01:43:08,920 the radiation down to an acceptable level given the time that they're supposed to be 1334 01:43:09,039 --> 01:43:13,439 in the van aland belts, but there's no protection. And so that's the 1335 01:43:13,479 --> 01:43:15,560 case. And then when you want to do precise calculations to find out, 1336 01:43:15,600 --> 01:43:17,800 well, exactly how long are they be going to be in there? They're 1337 01:43:17,800 --> 01:43:20,880 going to be in there for fifteen minutes, is it twenty minutes? And 1338 01:43:21,039 --> 01:43:24,640 is the attenuation going to be enough? And you were on top of that, 1339 01:43:24,720 --> 01:43:27,960 you would need that data in real time, which they had no capability 1340 01:43:28,000 --> 01:43:32,000 of doing back then because the brand aland belts are constantly in blocks. Having 1341 01:43:32,039 --> 01:43:38,399 said that, bottom lined here. Having said that, I've read many reports 1342 01:43:38,439 --> 01:43:44,800 from NASA itself over the years, and from people in support of NASA and 1343 01:43:44,920 --> 01:43:49,520 in support of the polymsicions that promote polymicicians that give conflicting data when it comes 1344 01:43:49,640 --> 01:43:59,279 to the radiation. I think his name is Richard Braddock famously posted a you 1345 01:43:59,319 --> 01:44:01,520 know, talking about it or it was safe for the Apollo Astronauts to go 1346 01:44:01,600 --> 01:44:04,840 through because they went through this area and you only spent ten to fifty minutes. 1347 01:44:05,039 --> 01:44:09,920 He says, it's taking his paper down, right, But those calculations 1348 01:44:09,960 --> 01:44:13,840 are based on an estimate. He uses mathematics, a lot of mathematics, 1349 01:44:13,840 --> 01:44:15,800 but ultimately he's just coming up in an estimate. He's not coming up. 1350 01:44:15,840 --> 01:44:20,319 He's not using real time data for any specific Apollo mission, and that needs 1351 01:44:20,319 --> 01:44:25,760 to be emphasized. There was no specific data. They had overall data, 1352 01:44:26,079 --> 01:44:29,960 as they claim, but they had no specific data for each mission, and 1353 01:44:30,000 --> 01:44:33,600 that's what they based this on. Okay, right, so thank you for 1354 01:44:33,680 --> 01:44:38,560 that. Where we've been talking about the Apollo missions, now we'll take it 1355 01:44:38,760 --> 01:44:43,600 right back and we'll talk about the guy that set the ball rolling of the 1356 01:44:43,600 --> 01:44:46,159 Apollo missions. Going from Jack Parsons, we're going to Jack Kennedy now. 1357 01:44:46,600 --> 01:44:49,520 And so you've been writing a book or your part way through write a book 1358 01:44:49,520 --> 01:44:55,399 about the assassination of Kennedy. And I believe there's some sort of strange connections 1359 01:44:55,439 --> 01:44:58,640 in that with a cult stuff or something. But maybe you could a highlight 1360 01:44:58,960 --> 01:45:02,079 that for us if you can, and ran sure. Well, first of 1361 01:45:02,119 --> 01:45:06,920 all, I went down to Daley Plaza where Kennedy was assassinated back in two 1362 01:45:08,000 --> 01:45:13,960 thousand and five. My wife and I we decided to She knew I've always 1363 01:45:14,039 --> 01:45:17,239 wanted to check out the site for myself, and I wanted to visit the 1364 01:45:17,319 --> 01:45:20,960 Texas Cool Book Depository, which they now turned into. All the sixth floor 1365 01:45:21,000 --> 01:45:29,319 they turned into a museum is in dedication in honor of JFK. And when 1366 01:45:29,359 --> 01:45:31,199 we went down there, my wife is really good at this, she noticed 1367 01:45:31,239 --> 01:45:38,119 some numbers, and the numbers all had very a cult symbology. And the 1368 01:45:38,159 --> 01:45:44,239 other aspect to it was is that you would see statues of gargoles which were 1369 01:45:44,359 --> 01:45:51,119 on the rooftops of the buildings surrounded and the whole thing reaps of has a 1370 01:45:51,159 --> 01:45:56,880 lot of occult aspects to it, and a lot of freemasonary symbology evalved as 1371 01:45:56,880 --> 01:46:00,159 well. And the other interesting point, and that's, by the way, 1372 01:46:00,279 --> 01:46:02,119 not the premise of my book. I'm just sort of putting this out as 1373 01:46:02,680 --> 01:46:05,960 sort of an after thought if I If I can put it that way. 1374 01:46:08,399 --> 01:46:13,119 The other thing to keep in mind is that you know, when it comes 1375 01:46:13,159 --> 01:46:15,159 to numbers, I'm going to be looking a lot more into this. I 1376 01:46:15,199 --> 01:46:16,560 am going to write a chapter on it because I think it's fascinating. I 1377 01:46:16,560 --> 01:46:23,560 think people need to know. I mentioned the force higher than the military earlier. 1378 01:46:24,199 --> 01:46:28,760 I'm not sure was this interview or another interview, and that force may 1379 01:46:29,159 --> 01:46:31,600 tie in with the occult aspect of all of this and these people. If 1380 01:46:31,600 --> 01:46:34,720 you notice these people in positions of power, whether you like it or not, 1381 01:46:34,800 --> 01:46:38,000 whether people want to hear this or not, because I know some people 1382 01:46:38,079 --> 01:46:41,640 get annoyed about this, but they're all connected in some ways. Either scullm 1383 01:46:41,680 --> 01:46:45,079 bones, Freemasonry, Illuminati, you name it, they're involved in it. 1384 01:46:45,239 --> 01:46:47,720 And in fact, it seems to be you have to be a member of 1385 01:46:47,800 --> 01:46:51,119 the club in order to get not only to where you are in politics, 1386 01:46:51,399 --> 01:46:55,000 but to get to where you are in the music industry. If you're not 1387 01:46:55,039 --> 01:46:57,760 a member of the club, you don't reach that level of fame and fortune. 1388 01:46:57,840 --> 01:47:00,319 And even when you reach that level of fame, unfortunate. It's just 1389 01:47:00,359 --> 01:47:02,840 a cyber issue. When you reach that level of fame and fortune, you 1390 01:47:02,920 --> 01:47:08,239 don't have control over your own wealth. You're very controlled. You're controlled, 1391 01:47:08,239 --> 01:47:11,840 your money is controlled, the material that you put out is controlled. I 1392 01:47:11,880 --> 01:47:14,720 mean, that's the world we're talking about. It's very dark. So when 1393 01:47:14,720 --> 01:47:18,920 it came to dv Plasia and the assassination. It's interesting that Kennedy was assassinated 1394 01:47:19,199 --> 01:47:26,520 on November twenty second, and then when you add the month at number eleven, 1395 01:47:26,880 --> 01:47:30,199 that becomes thirty three. Thirty three is a very very important number when 1396 01:47:30,199 --> 01:47:36,079 it comes to Freemasonary Lynnon Johnson, who succeeded him, was a thirty third 1397 01:47:36,119 --> 01:47:45,399 degree freemason, and Daly Plaza itself is very close to thirty third degree latitude 1398 01:47:45,800 --> 01:47:50,600 in geographical location. So you factor all this in and then you look at 1399 01:47:50,600 --> 01:47:57,359 the coincidence between the Kennedy assassination and the Lincoln assassination, and you have to 1400 01:47:57,399 --> 01:48:01,720 ask yourself, is that by design or is that cosmic? As people will 1401 01:48:01,800 --> 01:48:05,199 say, I'm beginning to wonder if it's by design, and if it's by 1402 01:48:05,279 --> 01:48:12,399 design. The similarities between those two assassinations you're familiar with that that both both 1403 01:48:12,399 --> 01:48:16,399 presidents were shot on Friday, both in the presidence of their wife. Lincoln 1404 01:48:16,439 --> 01:48:20,039 was shot in the Fourth Theater, Kennedy was shot in the Ford. Lincoln 1405 01:48:20,960 --> 01:48:26,760 I mean, and is uh you know his secretary was put said, Kennedy's 1406 01:48:26,800 --> 01:48:30,760 secretary was Lincoln. I mean. You find all these and then you find 1407 01:48:30,800 --> 01:48:35,600 the assassin of Lincoln had this exact had a three name James will I think 1408 01:48:35,640 --> 01:48:41,479 it was Booth, Yeah, but it was three names, and Lee Harvey 1409 01:48:41,479 --> 01:48:44,520 Oswell and all the names out of the fifteen letters each. I mean, 1410 01:48:44,560 --> 01:48:47,199 it's just on kinde they were shot. I mean, it's it's just amazing. 1411 01:48:47,239 --> 01:48:53,800 Even Johnson. There's similarities between Lyndon Johnson and Lincoln's vice president and it's 1412 01:48:53,840 --> 01:48:57,279 just like Henny. And you have to wonder if this is by design. 1413 01:48:58,560 --> 01:49:04,239 This shows you that depth of the conspiracy involved to take Kennedy out was taking 1414 01:49:04,319 --> 01:49:08,239 Kennedy out. And this is the other question. Was it because of his 1415 01:49:08,319 --> 01:49:13,479 policies or was it in part because of his policies? But could it be 1416 01:49:13,680 --> 01:49:18,840 also in part as a siops? Could it be? Could it that whole 1417 01:49:19,199 --> 01:49:25,199 concept, the idea of assassinating him the way they did, because there was 1418 01:49:25,239 --> 01:49:29,800 other ways of doing it. Kennedy had very serious health problems, that's no 1419 01:49:29,920 --> 01:49:34,159 secret that came out even before his election, and he managed to sort of 1420 01:49:34,199 --> 01:49:42,479 pay that over. Could it be could it have been a siops like a 1421 01:49:42,520 --> 01:49:45,760 psychological operation? It says that it was designed to traumatize the American public. 1422 01:49:45,800 --> 01:49:50,520 Could it be in the beginning of where we are right now could not have 1423 01:49:50,560 --> 01:49:56,800 started then Could this be the beginning of an infiltration of American society, government 1424 01:49:57,359 --> 01:50:01,800 institutions, and American society through the Kennedy assassination? And when you add in 1425 01:50:01,840 --> 01:50:09,920 the occult aspect, you see the many layers involved, and in my book 1426 01:50:10,000 --> 01:50:14,600 actually go into I analyzed the official version, So I started off in chapter 1427 01:50:14,720 --> 01:50:16,640 on over the war report, because I don't want it just to be about 1428 01:50:16,640 --> 01:50:20,479 the cult. Actually get into that, and then I analyze the people who 1429 01:50:20,840 --> 01:50:27,520 use psychology to try to discredit the conspiracy theorist if I put it that way, 1430 01:50:27,960 --> 01:50:31,199 and in favor of the official version. And then I add the third 1431 01:50:31,279 --> 01:50:34,880 chapter, which I just finished. The third chapter I just finished, I 1432 01:50:35,359 --> 01:50:42,840 talk about how some of the supporters who are being promoting the official version of 1433 01:50:42,840 --> 01:50:46,920 assassination are actually, in essence hinting very subtly that there was a lot more 1434 01:50:46,960 --> 01:50:50,640 going on here, and I talk about that, and then I'll definitely get 1435 01:50:50,680 --> 01:50:54,520 into the evidence, and then I'm going to get into what I think is 1436 01:50:54,560 --> 01:50:59,439 the real conspiracy behind Kennedy because a lot of new information has come out in 1437 01:50:59,479 --> 01:51:04,880 the last years, and it was a very interesting, a very interesting interview 1438 01:51:05,000 --> 01:51:11,600 that Lyndon Johnson former President Lyndon Johnson at the time, Remember he abruptly was 1439 01:51:12,159 --> 01:51:15,000 abruptly announced in nineteen sixty eight that he would not run for a second term. 1440 01:51:15,359 --> 01:51:18,439 And in nineteen sixty nine, after he left office, he gave an 1441 01:51:18,479 --> 01:51:27,640 interview to CBS anchor Walter Cronkite, and in that interview he was asked about 1442 01:51:27,720 --> 01:51:32,239 the War Commission Report, and Johnson had said at that time, he says, 1443 01:51:32,479 --> 01:51:39,600 I believe that there were international connections. And Walter Concrete asked him that 1444 01:51:39,720 --> 01:51:43,119 a repudiation of the World Report, and he said no, he says, 1445 01:51:43,439 --> 01:51:47,640 I believe that they did a thorough job and they got at some some of 1446 01:51:47,680 --> 01:51:50,720 this, they got some backs oud and so on and so forth. And 1447 01:51:50,800 --> 01:51:56,079 what's interesting about that is is that after the interview was over, he asked 1448 01:51:56,079 --> 01:52:00,880 that that interview be classified, so it was CBS class by the interview. 1449 01:52:01,039 --> 01:52:04,520 Lyndon Johnson died three years later in nineteen seventy two. And then it was 1450 01:52:04,520 --> 01:52:09,479 in nineteen seventy five when that interview was finally released and you can find out, 1451 01:52:09,600 --> 01:52:12,800 yeah, you can find out on YouTube. But it got me thinking, 1452 01:52:12,840 --> 01:52:16,479 I've learned about that interview for ten years or more. But it was 1453 01:52:16,520 --> 01:52:21,000 only recently when I actually looked at the interview because something struck me when what 1454 01:52:21,119 --> 01:52:27,720 Johnson said, he said, I quote, I believe there were international connections 1455 01:52:27,720 --> 01:52:31,840 in the assassination of John F. Kennedy. Now it's reasonable to assume that 1456 01:52:31,920 --> 01:52:38,520 he was talking either about Cuba and or the Soviet Union, because a year 1457 01:52:38,560 --> 01:52:44,600 before Kennedy was assassinated there was the well actually, three months into Kennedy's presidency, 1458 01:52:44,680 --> 01:52:51,840 he approved a CIA plan to infiltrate and started uprising in Cuba and able 1459 01:52:51,840 --> 01:52:56,359 to enter an area called the Bay of Pigs in the southern end of Cuba, 1460 01:52:56,960 --> 01:53:01,760 and that all went that went sideways. What the CIA didn't tell Kennedy 1461 01:53:01,760 --> 01:53:06,359 when Kennedy approved it is that the only way for this to succeed is to 1462 01:53:06,600 --> 01:53:11,560 have US military involvement. But Kennedy made the stipulation that there will be no 1463 01:53:11,760 --> 01:53:15,239 US military involvement. These all have to be armarked planes because he didn't want 1464 01:53:15,439 --> 01:53:19,520 the world to see the US involved in the overthrow of a sovereign country, 1465 01:53:20,319 --> 01:53:26,399 and which made a lot of sense. But what Kennedy wasn't told that the 1466 01:53:26,439 --> 01:53:29,239 mission was about to fail, and they thought that they could pressure him. 1467 01:53:29,279 --> 01:53:34,359 The CIA thought that they could pressure him into setting in US forces, but 1468 01:53:34,439 --> 01:53:41,560 Kennedy stood fast and he said no. And to Kennedy's credit, he said 1469 01:53:41,600 --> 01:53:45,279 no, and the mission failed, and the CIA hated him for that. 1470 01:53:45,359 --> 01:53:51,520 I mean, they were beside themselves. Kennedy ended up firing Alan Dalles, 1471 01:53:51,640 --> 01:53:58,600 who was then the CIA director, because of his betrayal, and he also 1472 01:53:58,680 --> 01:54:01,880 fired a general by the name of Charles Cabal, who was also involved in 1473 01:54:01,920 --> 01:54:09,399 the Bay Pigs attempt to invade Cuba. That's interesting that there's Charles Cabald, 1474 01:54:09,399 --> 01:54:15,439 the general that Kennedy fired in nineteen sixty one. His brother, Earl Cabal, 1475 01:54:15,720 --> 01:54:19,079 was the mayor of Texas Dallas, Texas, the very day that Kennedy 1476 01:54:19,119 --> 01:54:26,399 was assassinated. And it turns out now that General Charles Cabal and his brother 1477 01:54:26,560 --> 01:54:30,439 Ero caball Erol Cabal, the mayor of Texas right who probably would be responsible 1478 01:54:30,439 --> 01:54:35,279 for a lot of the security that day, both are now known as now 1479 01:54:35,319 --> 01:54:39,960 been proven to have had CIA connections. So you see how it all ties 1480 01:54:40,000 --> 01:54:44,239 in. Yeah, So then you move forward two years later to the Cuban 1481 01:54:44,319 --> 01:54:50,119 missile crisis, and again you've got Kennedy fighting with his not only with the 1482 01:54:50,159 --> 01:54:55,359 opposition, you know in Congress and the Senate that we needed to go further 1483 01:54:55,439 --> 01:54:58,439 and take Cuba out, but you had him fighting with his joint chief and 1484 01:54:58,520 --> 01:55:05,239 staff. Kennedy again stood down anyway behind their backs, and he worked out 1485 01:55:05,239 --> 01:55:10,159 a deal secret behind us. They wanted him to invade you, but they 1486 01:55:10,199 --> 01:55:14,399 thought that the given missile crisis was the perfect opportunity to do so, regardless 1487 01:55:14,399 --> 01:55:16,960 of the fact that we were all risking World War three in thermonuclear war. 1488 01:55:17,399 --> 01:55:19,800 I mean, back then they had the capability of doing what they have the 1489 01:55:19,840 --> 01:55:25,000 capability of doing now. And it's a little it's a little frightening that we're 1490 01:55:25,039 --> 01:55:30,560 now on that we're on that that uh pressipice once again. But just to 1491 01:55:30,640 --> 01:55:35,840 just to sort of round this out, so Kennedy had struck a backroom deal 1492 01:55:36,159 --> 01:55:42,880 with Nikita Krushov at the time and had secretly agreed not to if he pulled 1493 01:55:42,880 --> 01:55:47,199 his missiles out of Cuba, he would not he would take his missiles out 1494 01:55:47,239 --> 01:55:50,319 of Turkey, which were aimed directly at the Soviet Union at the time. 1495 01:55:50,560 --> 01:55:54,600 That was a secret deal, but of course the military knew this. So 1496 01:55:54,640 --> 01:55:59,399 the military after this, that's a mital Mark on Kennedy. So after this, 1497 01:56:00,520 --> 01:56:08,920 Kennedy had was approached by his own chiefs of staff and this actually came 1498 01:56:08,960 --> 01:56:14,600 out from a freedom of Freedom of Information Act through the National Security Agency, 1499 01:56:15,399 --> 01:56:21,800 and he was asked to approve a plan called Operation Northwoods. And anybody can 1500 01:56:21,800 --> 01:56:25,239 look this up. It's actually on Google. You can look it up. 1501 01:56:26,039 --> 01:56:32,479 And the plan was for to approve terrorist attacks around the country and that included 1502 01:56:32,520 --> 01:56:39,279 shooting passenger airliners down and then to blame it on Cuba as a pretext for 1503 01:56:39,439 --> 01:56:43,800 war. Wow, take to take Cuba out. So when you just forget, 1504 01:56:43,800 --> 01:56:45,800 when you put the occult stuff aside, is enough. Just look at 1505 01:56:45,800 --> 01:56:49,640 the political and the geopolitic politics at that time. I mean, you can 1506 01:56:49,720 --> 01:56:54,439 see already that he's up against some serious, serious forces. But I think 1507 01:56:54,479 --> 01:56:59,000 he began to realize this. The Cuban missile crisis really opened his eyes. 1508 01:56:59,079 --> 01:57:01,239 He Kennedy, he was intelligent, I mean, he was a very intelligent 1509 01:57:01,319 --> 01:57:05,239 man, but he was young and naive and he didn't fully understand the power 1510 01:57:05,239 --> 01:57:10,399 against him when he got into office. It was only after the Cuban missile 1511 01:57:10,479 --> 01:57:14,760 crisis that really opened his eyes and he started to make moves at one of 1512 01:57:14,800 --> 01:57:16,279 the moves he did. And I'm not saying this is the sole reason he 1513 01:57:16,359 --> 01:57:20,720 started making moves on the central banking system, the Federal Reserve, the Federal 1514 01:57:20,760 --> 01:57:25,199 Reserve. A lot of people don't understand. A lot too, is that 1515 01:57:25,880 --> 01:57:29,880 the federal banking system has an enormous amount of power, not just in the 1516 01:57:29,960 --> 01:57:34,520 United States, but around the world. And that's what I think Lyndon Johnson 1517 01:57:34,600 --> 01:57:39,520 was hinting at when he said that there were international connections. I think it 1518 01:57:39,560 --> 01:57:44,640 goes far beyond Cuba, the Soviet Union. I think it goes even higher 1519 01:57:44,640 --> 01:57:47,039 than that, and I think there may be an occult aspect involved in it 1520 01:57:47,079 --> 01:57:51,239 as well. So that's basically the direction I'm going in. And I even 1521 01:57:51,279 --> 01:57:57,039 think I could identify maybe two or three to shooters. I sort of established 1522 01:57:57,079 --> 01:58:01,760 so far that there were at least three assassination teams in place that were one 1523 01:58:01,880 --> 01:58:05,960 was to take over one missed type of thing. And also there's one other 1524 01:58:06,000 --> 01:58:10,000 point I want to bring up, and this has come out recently, and 1525 01:58:10,159 --> 01:58:15,199 this is this is really going to be it's annoying to some people. But 1526 01:58:15,560 --> 01:58:20,800 we talked earlier about the movie The Shining MHM, and we talked about the 1527 01:58:20,800 --> 01:58:26,479 the undertones, the hidden message in the movie, the shining in terms of 1528 01:58:26,560 --> 01:58:30,039 faking new Pollo missions, and and and there was Jay Wider was actually quite 1529 01:58:31,000 --> 01:58:35,079 famous for He did some really good work on that, and he he made 1530 01:58:35,119 --> 01:58:42,000 a documentary showing how standy Kubrick was was basically putting hit messages in that movie, 1531 01:58:42,159 --> 01:58:45,239 indicating that he faked or was involved in some way in faking new Pollo 1532 01:58:45,319 --> 01:58:50,800 missions. Right. Well, Stanley with Jay Widner has now come out with 1533 01:58:50,880 --> 01:58:58,239 a documentary just within the last couple of months. Uh uh, his third 1534 01:58:58,359 --> 01:59:04,800 being that Kennedy fate his assassination. Oh wow, and yeah, and it's 1535 01:59:04,840 --> 01:59:10,720 getting a lot of attention. The reviews online are about three and a half 1536 01:59:10,760 --> 01:59:13,960 out of five, so a lot of people are not buying it. But 1537 01:59:14,119 --> 01:59:17,319 I haven't looked at the documentary yet, but I've listened to two or three 1538 01:59:17,319 --> 01:59:21,279 interviews with Jay Widner an hour or so each. I mean, I was 1539 01:59:21,319 --> 01:59:29,319 really getting into it, and I'm I do not give Jay Widner credit for 1540 01:59:29,359 --> 01:59:31,279 that theory. He's been given credit for coming up with that theory. But 1541 01:59:31,319 --> 01:59:34,000 that theory has been out and I've been following this. This has been out 1542 01:59:34,079 --> 01:59:40,119 for about four five, six years now. This theory actually came out in 1543 01:59:40,199 --> 01:59:45,199 nineteen in twenty eighteen, right, and there's a lot of videos online about 1544 01:59:45,199 --> 01:59:49,239 it. I didn't buy it then and I'm not buying it now. While 1545 01:59:49,279 --> 01:59:53,279 I will say because I looked into it and I just don't see the evidence. 1546 01:59:53,319 --> 01:59:56,439 Because if, for argument's sake, let's say this, If for argument's 1547 01:59:56,439 --> 02:00:01,199 sake, Kennedy participated in faking his assassination, Okay, why do it in 1548 02:00:01,239 --> 02:00:04,600 the public domain? Why do it for millions of people to see? Why 1549 02:00:04,680 --> 02:00:09,479 traumatize the American people like that? Why traumatize the people of the world. 1550 02:00:09,720 --> 02:00:13,520 Look at the psychological impact that had on people, whether it was fake or 1551 02:00:13,600 --> 02:00:15,119 not. You saw this blood all over the place. There was a lot 1552 02:00:15,119 --> 02:00:19,119 of supposedly Jay Wider say that there was a lot of gimmicks used to fake 1553 02:00:19,199 --> 02:00:23,039 it. You know, Kennedy was trained on this and he was prepped for 1554 02:00:23,119 --> 02:00:27,079 it. And then the other theory is that it wasn't Kennedy in the car 1555 02:00:27,159 --> 02:00:30,840 that day, was one of his doubles. Kennedy had doubles. Okay, 1556 02:00:30,920 --> 02:00:38,359 all presidents do no secrets here. If there was assassination attempt and Kennedy wasn't 1557 02:00:38,439 --> 02:00:43,079 killed, I can reluctantly buy the sherry that it was a double that was 1558 02:00:43,119 --> 02:00:46,600 in that car that day that was killed. But I have trouble believing that 1559 02:00:46,680 --> 02:00:51,319 Kennedy would participate in that if he was supposed to be on the side of 1560 02:00:51,319 --> 02:00:56,479 the good. But yet he participates in faking his own assassination. They're traumatizing 1561 02:00:56,479 --> 02:00:59,560 his own people. That tells me that he would be on the side of 1562 02:00:59,560 --> 02:01:02,439 the good, be on the side of the bat right, So that has 1563 02:01:02,439 --> 02:01:05,520 to be taking a consideration too. But one thing that Jay Wider has come 1564 02:01:05,560 --> 02:01:10,279 out with, and I agree with this because it's always good to look at 1565 02:01:10,279 --> 02:01:13,760 this in an objective way, as as we talked about in the other video 1566 02:01:15,039 --> 02:01:17,800 with the researcher in Ireland, it's always good to keep your mind open and 1567 02:01:17,840 --> 02:01:24,000 have an objective look at this. Jay Wider has I think successfully proven that 1568 02:01:24,079 --> 02:01:29,800 the Saprutal film, the actual the best film. The assassination has had his 1569 02:01:29,960 --> 02:01:36,760 missing frames and it's may have been altered, but not the whole film. 1570 02:01:36,800 --> 02:01:41,279 If you look at the film and you know, you see the Morriki coming 1571 02:01:41,319 --> 02:01:44,399 down, and you see Kennedy waving to the crowd, and there's a big 1572 02:01:44,479 --> 02:01:48,640 sign in the way and as soon as he goes behind the sign, that's 1573 02:01:48,680 --> 02:01:54,479 when the first shot hits, right, but the sign before the sign is 1574 02:01:54,479 --> 02:01:58,359 he's coming. There's a shot fire, and there's a slight reaction from Kenny 1575 02:01:58,359 --> 02:02:00,399 because he hears a noise, but it's know what it is, so he 1576 02:02:00,439 --> 02:02:05,720 continues on waving. But as the car goes behind the sign, the second 1577 02:02:05,720 --> 02:02:10,920 shot hits him. And as he comes out, you see he's obviously reacting. 1578 02:02:11,159 --> 02:02:15,239 But what does he do when he's hit? People say he grabs his 1579 02:02:15,279 --> 02:02:20,119 neck. That's not what happened. It's shortly right after that, but a 1580 02:02:20,239 --> 02:02:27,039 second after you see his reaching for his neck. That's where I believe the 1581 02:02:27,039 --> 02:02:30,079 film is altered. And that's what I think Jay Wider is actually pointing out 1582 02:02:30,079 --> 02:02:34,640 as well to his credit. And that's where it's really difficult to believe anything 1583 02:02:34,800 --> 02:02:39,840 after that point until further down when you see the mortar caad driving out from 1584 02:02:39,880 --> 02:02:43,880 that area under the bridge and racing the Parkment Hospital. Now, what happens 1585 02:02:44,159 --> 02:02:48,680 when he's first shot. His arms flitch up like that. Okay, if 1586 02:02:48,720 --> 02:02:53,800 you look closely, his right arm goes way up and his left art his 1587 02:02:53,880 --> 02:02:57,600 left arm comes up about here. He's not grabbing his neck. That's a 1588 02:02:57,680 --> 02:03:01,960 neuro reflex. Something druck his spinal cord. And I'm not a doctor, 1589 02:03:02,000 --> 02:03:05,399 don't for him to be a medical doctor scientist, but I've read enough about 1590 02:03:05,439 --> 02:03:11,000 this struck a spinal cord and caused his arms to flinch up. Would he 1591 02:03:11,039 --> 02:03:15,119 even known him to do that? If this was a fake assassination, that 1592 02:03:15,279 --> 02:03:18,079 sounds a little far fetched to me. It sounds like that's an that looks 1593 02:03:18,079 --> 02:03:23,760 to me like an actual reaction to being shot. Right, And the bullet 1594 02:03:23,760 --> 02:03:28,039 that entered him probably entered his back and splintered. The bullet itself splintered, 1595 02:03:28,079 --> 02:03:30,680 and this segment came out his throat. That probably wasn't an entry word. 1596 02:03:30,760 --> 02:03:34,119 It was probably a fragment from the bullet coming out his throat. Jay Wider 1597 02:03:34,199 --> 02:03:36,359 says, when you look at that, where's all the blood? Well, 1598 02:03:36,399 --> 02:03:40,680 that would explain why there was a little blood at that point, because if 1599 02:03:40,720 --> 02:03:45,640 it was the speck of the bullet coming out his throat causing little blood and 1600 02:03:45,760 --> 02:03:53,039 the other bullet was diverted upwards towards his brain, he was probably killed before 1601 02:03:53,319 --> 02:03:56,880 he was actually before the headshot. He was probably dead at that point, 1602 02:03:57,800 --> 02:04:00,880 And that to me shows me that whoever it was in that car that day, 1603 02:04:00,920 --> 02:04:03,439 whether it was Kennedy or one of us doubles, a person was killed 1604 02:04:03,439 --> 02:04:09,319 that day in that car. And the other aspect to fake in his assassination 1605 02:04:09,399 --> 02:04:13,560 that you would have to account for was leave Harry Oswell killed? Was officer 1606 02:04:13,560 --> 02:04:15,960 to J. D. Tippett killed that day? Apparently Lee Harvey Aarsen was 1607 02:04:15,960 --> 02:04:19,840 supposed to have shot here. And what about all the other witnesses involved that 1608 02:04:20,119 --> 02:04:26,279 mysteriously died and I'd be writing a chapter on that have died under very mysterious 1609 02:04:26,319 --> 02:04:30,880 circumstances related to the assassination. So there's all this that has to be taken 1610 02:04:30,880 --> 02:04:34,039 into consideration. So, as you can see, I'm pretty well gone down 1611 02:04:34,079 --> 02:04:38,319 the rabbit hole on this. Yeah, yeah, Ben. What's your thoughts 1612 02:04:38,359 --> 02:04:42,840 on the Kennedy assassination? Oh well, you have just passed the sixtieth anniversary 1613 02:04:42,840 --> 02:04:44,840 of that event a couple of months ago, and I did. I did 1614 02:04:44,840 --> 02:04:49,479 a couple of special publications for that. Indeed, these anniversaries are informational choke 1615 02:04:49,560 --> 02:04:57,079 points, which means that their opportunities for to publish new information is more like 1616 02:04:57,159 --> 02:05:00,039 to be seen by the general public. So this is a good time to 1617 02:05:00,079 --> 02:05:02,800 write a book like that and to bring a book like that out there are 1618 02:05:02,840 --> 02:05:06,119 so there were so many theories about what happened to Kennedy. I mean, 1619 02:05:06,159 --> 02:05:11,760 I've I've covered them all in my in my special radio show and my special 1620 02:05:12,039 --> 02:05:16,640 video about it. But the one thing that's certain is the official story is 1621 02:05:16,680 --> 02:05:20,960 false. Oswald acted alone for his own personal motives, he was the only 1622 02:05:21,039 --> 02:05:25,520 shooter, and things like that. None of it makes sense for so many 1623 02:05:25,520 --> 02:05:28,720 different reasons. But I mean, I haven't seen Jay Widener's new film. 1624 02:05:28,720 --> 02:05:32,159 I've not heard this particular theory that Randy said. I've heard we would talk 1625 02:05:32,239 --> 02:05:38,119 about how the Zaprina film was altered. That's so there's several theories about that. 1626 02:05:38,279 --> 02:05:41,039 There's things I don't buy. I think maybe just to read herrings, 1627 02:05:41,039 --> 02:05:44,279 for example, the umbrella man, the guy with the umbrella, and also 1628 02:05:44,399 --> 02:05:48,039 the greer turned around and shot Kennedy with a pistol and that that when you 1629 02:05:48,039 --> 02:05:54,000 look closely you can see that's not what actually happens. But there's there's lots 1630 02:05:54,000 --> 02:05:57,279 of lots of different theories going out about this, and it seems, even 1631 02:05:57,319 --> 02:06:00,960 after sixty years, more something new to learn. And that's good. I 1632 02:06:00,960 --> 02:06:04,079 mean, whether we'll get an answer to this. I don't know if when 1633 02:06:05,039 --> 02:06:10,159 Absley J. Hilda first started doing lectures about this just after it happened, 1634 02:06:10,560 --> 02:06:14,720 whether he thought sixty years later people would still not have the truth and we 1635 02:06:14,760 --> 02:06:18,119 still wouldn't know. I don't know if you ever suspected that, I would 1636 02:06:18,119 --> 02:06:24,640 you have given up if he had. I have a favorite kind of jfk 1637 02:06:24,840 --> 02:06:32,319 assassination story theory or and it's a hypothetical one that never happened, of course, 1638 02:06:32,479 --> 02:06:36,640 because it was a Star Trek plot. When they were bringing back Star 1639 02:06:36,680 --> 02:06:41,359 Trek to the big screen, which they did do in nineteen seventy nine, 1640 02:06:41,960 --> 02:06:45,800 they went through many different ideas of what story they could use, and one 1641 02:06:45,840 --> 02:06:50,520 of them was I think it might have been Alan Deine Foster, but I'm 1642 02:06:50,520 --> 02:06:54,880 not one hundred percent certain on that. Alandin Foster science fiction, I wrote 1643 02:06:54,880 --> 02:07:00,079 Alien. The idea was that the Starship Enterprise goes back into time to try 1644 02:07:00,279 --> 02:07:04,600 and prevent the death of President Kennedy, and then when they return, they 1645 02:07:04,640 --> 02:07:08,840 save him, and then when they return back to their own time in the 1646 02:07:08,840 --> 02:07:14,880 twenty third century, they'll find that there's no Star Trek Federation, no Staffleet 1647 02:07:15,000 --> 02:07:16,079 or anything like that, and they think, oh, we screwed up, 1648 02:07:17,159 --> 02:07:20,680 so they have to go back again back in time to nineteen sixty nine, 1649 02:07:21,159 --> 02:07:28,239 and in this version, Spock goes up with his phaser and assassinates President Kennedy. 1650 02:07:28,520 --> 02:07:30,800 And I really love that one the best. It's a shame that was 1651 02:07:30,840 --> 02:07:35,439 never produced because obviously totally unrealistic because of the time travel paradoxes and things, 1652 02:07:35,439 --> 02:07:39,800 but it's hilarious. That would have been hilarious if that have been produced. 1653 02:07:39,920 --> 02:07:45,560 Yeah, can you imagine that the prude of city film man with a phaser 1654 02:07:45,560 --> 02:07:49,319 pistol, isn't it right? I think we'll have to draw this chapter close, 1655 02:07:49,399 --> 02:07:54,199 gentlemen. I think we've gone past our fifty five minute section for part 1656 02:07:54,239 --> 02:07:57,680 two. We're well into the hour and ten minute mode for part two. 1657 02:07:57,720 --> 02:08:01,039 But that's fine. We've enjoyed it immensely and we've learned quite a few good 1658 02:08:01,079 --> 02:08:05,760 things of interested, and I hope the audience has too. So I want 1659 02:08:05,800 --> 02:08:09,359 to say thank you very much for Randy Walsh for joining us once again on 1660 02:08:09,399 --> 02:08:13,960 the Paranormal peep Show. Now you mentioned some books there you got coming out. 1661 02:08:13,960 --> 02:08:16,079 You've got a third book on the Apollo side of things. When is 1662 02:08:16,119 --> 02:08:22,680 that Joe out Randy. That's out now and it's now up on Amazon. 1663 02:08:22,399 --> 02:08:28,359 Okay. Yeah, the title is Apollo the Real Mission. Okay. And 1664 02:08:28,359 --> 02:08:33,119 there's Retten another person, Yes, her name is Robin Landry. She's on 1665 02:08:33,159 --> 02:08:39,479 the back here and yeah, and we teamed up. Maybe we could talk 1666 02:08:39,479 --> 02:08:43,359 about that in another video more how it's interesting how that project evolved. But 1667 02:08:43,399 --> 02:08:46,760 it's now out. The book is based is fiction, but based on truth, 1668 02:08:48,079 --> 02:08:52,880 and the basic premises is that they discover a journal. The book starts 1669 02:08:52,880 --> 02:08:58,279 in nineteen nineteen sixties, goes up to the time period of today, and 1670 02:08:58,560 --> 02:09:01,039 the astronaut, the first astronist, changed his name. It's based on Neil 1671 02:09:01,119 --> 02:09:05,560 Armstrong, but I changed his name in the book to avoid any legal conflicts, 1672 02:09:05,800 --> 02:09:09,920 and so it's a fetitional character based on a true story. And basically 1673 02:09:09,960 --> 02:09:15,119 before he dies, he says, we didn't do it. None of it 1674 02:09:15,239 --> 02:09:18,880 happened. There's a journal find it and that's why book. Yeah, excellent. 1675 02:09:20,000 --> 02:09:22,279 You can always change the astronauts to Neo Wold. I went, yes, 1676 02:09:22,960 --> 02:09:28,640 sure, how about it one in history. I'll keep that in mind, 1677 02:09:28,079 --> 02:09:31,840 Okay. And then you're Kennedy book you're still writing at You're sort of 1678 02:09:31,960 --> 02:09:35,239 like a third of the way through it or something. Yeah, so I'm 1679 02:09:35,239 --> 02:09:37,800 about a third of the way through it. It'll probably take me at least 1680 02:09:37,800 --> 02:09:39,600 than several months because there's a lot of information I want to go into. 1681 02:09:39,640 --> 02:09:43,239 I want people to know that it's not just it's not based on the occult, 1682 02:09:43,319 --> 02:09:46,680 but there is going to be a chapter in their audit because I do 1683 02:09:46,800 --> 02:09:50,880 find it an interesting aspect of the Keady But the bulk of the book is 1684 02:09:50,920 --> 02:09:56,439 going to be on the mechanics of the assassination, the geopolitic did geopolitics involved? 1685 02:09:56,880 --> 02:09:58,920 And I will be talking about Ben I like it. I'm glad you 1686 02:10:00,079 --> 02:10:05,079 brought that up. The Secret serviceation is supposed to shot him. They are 1687 02:10:05,239 --> 02:10:07,960 such bogus theories out there, and I agree with you on that one. 1688 02:10:09,000 --> 02:10:11,479 And I'm going to be talking about some of those theories in the book. 1689 02:10:11,520 --> 02:10:13,760 I'm going to say, you know, which has some validity in which don't, 1690 02:10:13,760 --> 02:10:16,760 and that one obviously doesn't. You're right about the subriuted room. It's 1691 02:10:16,800 --> 02:10:22,359 not it's reflection. It's not him pointing it gun right. Yeah, Okay, 1692 02:10:22,399 --> 02:10:26,680 so that you're out later this year though, Kennedy, Yeah, I'll 1693 02:10:26,720 --> 02:10:31,000 try to have it out. It will hopefully be out by foot. I'm 1694 02:10:31,039 --> 02:10:33,079 thinking of November, which would be a good day to have. It could 1695 02:10:33,119 --> 02:10:37,279 be November, December, or January, but it will be hopefully out by 1696 02:10:37,359 --> 02:10:41,000 then. Like I said, I'm almost halfway through it. I'm taking my 1697 02:10:41,079 --> 02:10:43,720 time in it because I want it done right. There's a lot of books 1698 02:10:43,720 --> 02:10:45,880 out there in the Kennedy Sassination that people are going to ask, well, 1699 02:10:45,880 --> 02:10:48,960 why another one? Well, I think I do have not only something different, 1700 02:10:48,960 --> 02:10:52,840 but a different twist on it. So that's what I'm on looking at 1701 02:10:52,880 --> 02:11:00,359 right now, so I'll keep you informed. Sorry, I wasna that one 1702 02:11:00,399 --> 02:11:05,479 called the JFK Book. I have a working title right now, actually have 1703 02:11:05,520 --> 02:11:09,600 a working title. I don't want to say it right now. Everybody likes 1704 02:11:09,640 --> 02:11:13,840 the title I've talked, so somebody might killed quite yourself. Take it a 1705 02:11:13,840 --> 02:11:18,039 bit, I'll tell you what. I'll email it to you. Yeah, 1706 02:11:18,119 --> 02:11:22,960 sure, No, I'll publishing that fine. Yeah, that's great. I 1707 02:11:22,000 --> 02:11:26,800 mean, I suppose say, using fictional allegory is a very very good way 1708 02:11:26,840 --> 02:11:33,319 of communicating communicating information. And I've written some fictional allegorical novels myself, the 1709 02:11:33,439 --> 02:11:37,359 Roswell Trilogy I call them, and it's it's it's in a way. I 1710 02:11:37,359 --> 02:11:39,840 mean, I think it goes back to George Orwell and his own fiction, 1711 02:11:39,920 --> 02:11:45,319 which was very allegorical, very metaphorical for real things, and it's it's in 1712 02:11:45,359 --> 02:11:48,960 a sense it gets through a lot of the filters that would be set up 1713 02:11:48,960 --> 02:11:52,319 by skeptics of people by that for a fiction, for a non fictional book, 1714 02:11:54,199 --> 02:11:58,680 And it's perfectly okay to speculate based on the evidence your opinion. Yeah, 1715 02:11:58,840 --> 02:12:03,800 exactly, Yeah, cool, right, okay, Ben, how can 1716 02:12:03,800 --> 02:12:07,760 people find you? Well, I mean I should. I've forgot my website 1717 02:12:07,800 --> 02:12:11,039 Hospital Porters against the New World Order HPA and W it's pronounced for Panwo. 1718 02:12:11,479 --> 02:12:15,079 And the aforementioned book, well, here it is. It's this is the 1719 02:12:15,079 --> 02:12:18,960 first one, Roswell writing a novel of Disclosure, and that's the first of 1720 02:12:20,000 --> 02:12:22,760 the trilogy. And that's ten pounds in all good bookshops. And I think 1721 02:12:22,760 --> 02:12:26,279 if you like the paranormal peep show, I think you'll enjoy this book. 1722 02:12:26,439 --> 02:12:30,399 You really will. So I do worge listeners to give it a try, 1723 02:12:30,399 --> 02:12:33,359 because it's just up your street, you might say, ex and I will. 1724 02:12:33,359 --> 02:12:39,279 I'll plug my own book now then, so my book, I don't 1725 02:12:39,319 --> 02:12:43,239 know when it's due out, but it's now completed and it's with the publisher 1726 02:12:43,920 --> 02:12:48,640 and it's titled True Tales of the Paranormal by the Award, and it will 1727 02:12:48,680 --> 02:12:54,079 be out on our Coturist Publishing and I'm presuming sometime in the summer. I'm 1728 02:12:54,079 --> 02:12:58,960 told by the editor they've already got the cover sorted out. I haven't seen 1729 02:12:58,960 --> 02:13:01,399 that at all. Although I'm an artist, I've got nothing to do with 1730 02:13:01,399 --> 02:13:05,760 the art side of things on this particular book. But I will let people 1731 02:13:05,840 --> 02:13:09,479 know more about that as time goes, and I'll probably put it on a 1732 02:13:09,479 --> 02:13:13,399 website or something. But yeah, that's coming out in the near future. 1733 02:13:13,479 --> 02:13:16,439 And I know that Randy watched our last show Ben where we was talking in 1734 02:13:16,520 --> 02:13:22,720 the someher else. He really enjoyed our Psychic Tales and all sorts of fans 1735 02:13:22,800 --> 02:13:26,920 stuff uncovered very much, Randy Glad, Actually I really did. And I 1736 02:13:28,000 --> 02:13:31,239 just want to add a pootnote that I'm looking forward to both your books, 1737 02:13:31,239 --> 02:13:33,840 and I will be reading your book is I have a project coming up after 1738 02:13:33,880 --> 02:13:37,800 that. I really want to look more into what that episode and you and 1739 02:13:37,840 --> 02:13:41,680 Ben had together some fascinating information on the paranormal in there, and I do 1740 02:13:41,760 --> 02:13:46,079 want to say that I really appreciated your personal experience in this as well, 1741 02:13:46,239 --> 02:13:50,760 so I do want that said. So, yeah, thank you for that. 1742 02:13:50,279 --> 02:13:54,000 Thank you. Yeah. Cool. Well, I've tried to put a 1743 02:13:54,000 --> 02:13:56,760 lot of my personal experiences in the book, but I've had to kind of 1744 02:13:56,840 --> 02:14:00,520 reshape them. I won't say much more of that. Re edit them slightly. 1745 02:14:01,079 --> 02:14:05,039 They make them more appealing, not appealing palatable. Maybe I don't know, 1746 02:14:05,159 --> 02:14:09,159 but we all know why anyway. So anyway, this is the Paranormal 1747 02:14:09,199 --> 02:14:13,239 Peep Show given thanks to Randy Walsh for his involvement with this this evening. 1748 02:14:13,600 --> 02:14:16,640 I hope you found out of interest and feel free to leave comments on the 1749 02:14:16,680 --> 02:14:22,960 YouTube channel and also on the MP three version of the Paranormal Peep Show which 1750 02:14:24,000 --> 02:14:26,920 goes out on the paranorl UK Radio network. So this is myself NEI Award 1751 02:14:28,000 --> 02:14:31,520 and thanks to ben Emlin Jones for Jordan Us once more and we'll see you 1752 02:14:31,640 --> 02:14:35,039 soon on the Paranormal Peak show on the Paranormal UK Radio Network. Good night, 1753 02:14:56,159 --> 02:15:01,800 you're listening to the Paranormal UK Radio ne Network voted number one for paranormal 1754 02:15:01,840 --> 02:15:03,279 podcasts in the UK.