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It's just like the old radio show
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the mac of All Trade studio in
Fairport and driven by Victor Chrysler Dodge jeep

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Ram. It's bilified but Bill Moran
podcast, Well, hello and welcome.

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Thanks for getting your pot on,
Thanks for telling a friend. That's how

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we spread the word about the pirate
ship. Got a couple of people coming

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on tonight. One is um,
a guy who writes about AI and he

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has a podcast called I on AI. Is he the guy behind the chat

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gpt where if you ask him a
question, he's one. So he interviewed

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the guy who kind of came up
with chat gept. But I mean,

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I think this guy is the name
as Craig S. Smith. Craig was

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a executive with the New York Times
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Journal for a while. He was
really worked on the religious movement Fallon Gong

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in China. He kind of wrote
a lot about that and did that sort

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of thing. I didn't know Jimmy
Fallon already had his own religion. Yeah,

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he's got a show and he's really
making it work. This is uh,

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it's crazy to me because you start
looking and you go, do you

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fear AI? Do you embrace AI? And I was having a conversation with

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Mac from Mac of All Trades,
and he was telling me, you know,

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somebody he knows works in the finance
world and just spent a tremendous amount

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of money to buy a book.
And the book is when somebody retires,

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it's all the things they tracked over
the years, right, and so people

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will sell this book and when they
retire in the financial industry for millions of

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dollars. Oh wow, like yeah, one point five two million dollars for

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the book. And then you have
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that person, so it's more added
income. They just retired. They sold

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this and you've got let's say five
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means how much you're paying them on
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that's pretty good and they and they
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getting the return on that one point
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Well, AI, they've done it. Now can look at data so quickly

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over years that where there have been
down years, AI can figure out things

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by looking over all the data for
stock investors for years and years and years

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and take down years and make their
increases. Make those years you have a

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thirty percent increase. So the question
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And I have a belief in this, And I've said this from the beginning.

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With AI, You've got to embrace
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because I think that even if you're
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don't want to be talking to a
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at just an app. There's something
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if you work in an industry,
can AI help you not take over?

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Can you stay out ahead of it? Another field is doctors. I mean,

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look, they did a whole thing
where it was AI versus doctor in

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diagnosing stuff and AI never got it
wrong. Wow. Okay, but do

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you want to read you know you
have cancer? You know what I'm saying,

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You will lose whatever you have six
weeks on a center house and order,

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right, do you want that or
do you want to have somebody who

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can kind of That's exactly what's gonna
time to buy life insurance. If you

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have six weeks to live, we
can fight you a great rate. I

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don't know what what. I don't
know what this story is there, but

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we will will find out with Craigs
Smith and about twenty minutes or so,

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we have these Thursday, all my
team right, just review crap we already

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know. And uh, the boss
today goes, anybody ever used that chat

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to what is a GPS chat?
It's like your age chat GPS? Uh

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for work? Here? I go, yeah, I do. No,

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I mean like work, not like
music or sports. I go, well,

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I don't need to use it for
music or sports, but I do

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ask questions. But yeah, I
do use it for work. Yeah.

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It's like using Google, but it's
a lot easier because they just spit out

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the answers right there, Hey Google, or I'm sorry, hey Chat GPS

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find me the tech competitors to this
company right here? Done. Yeah,

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and by the way, my phone
just did when I said hey Google,

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It just went like answering a question. That funny? Yeah? Is that

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funny? It's scary? Yeah,
it is kind of scary today, Danny.

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We did get the word on the
Titanic bound submer submersible. It went

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missing on Sunday with five people on
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implosion. Here is um the rear
Admiral explaining exactly what happened. To the

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name is John Mauger. This morning, an ROV or remote operated vehicle from

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the vessel Horizon Arctic, discovered the
tail cone of the titans submersible approximately sixteen

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hundred feet from the bow of the
Titanic on the seafloor. The ROV subsequently

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found additional debris. In consultation with
experts from within the Unified Command, the

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debris is consistent with the catastrophic loss
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we immediately notified the families. So
I heard and went and looked this

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up. Some people think they were
mummified immediately, like because of the cold

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water and the implosion, like their
bodies were just mummified. I don't know

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if they even knew what had happened. But it was Hamish Harding who we've

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talked about, and Hamish harding stepson
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on Twitter that Stepdad was visiting Louis
Flowers Police said, uh, cash to

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only fans on my behalf Sesadah Dalwood
and his son Sluman on there. Uh

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Nargolette. I think he was a French

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explorer and then stocked and rushed the
s CEO of of Ocean Gate. So

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I see, I'm watching MSNBT.
I was where I ran home after the

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gym, and I'm so I put
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you have to wonder, why would
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they went, no, you don't. That's the dumbest fucking thing you could

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say, in my opinion. And
I'll tell you why, because the world

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has only advanced to where we are
because the guys who had balls, right,

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that's it, the guys who had
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gonna learn from the oceans, but
all the experts we talked to on this

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podcast said, there's so much that
we need to know about the oceans and

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learn from the oceans. There's as
much in the oceans they can discover as

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the as the as the universe.
Yeah, so I go, and you've

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got people going up to space.
Eventually, something's gonna happen. We had

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the space challenger problem years ago.
Uh, it's a miracle. I mean,

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look, Shannon just walked in.
I did you fly here, okay,

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you drove here, okay, but
normally no, I got that.

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Don't don't don't worry about that.
You're you're fine. But I mean,

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just the flight, right, you
wouldn't have that without the Ripe Brothers.

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And they went down one time.
I mean, Orville lived to be I

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think seventy seven, but he got
badly banged up in an accident and his

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passenger died. And I think at
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mind in the army over some kind
of technology they were doing. And once

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that guy died, everything was fun. The World War One started. We're

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fine if we just would have kept
them alive. But I go, come

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on, man, I I love
taking risks. I love doing things.

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I mean, granted calculated risks as
he get older, but I mean when

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I was younger, I'd do anything. I would have gone down in that

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thing. And everybody now going,
oh, yeah, we knew that there

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were all these flaws in the design. Did you bullshit? Either you did,

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and he didn't fucking care because you
went anyway, and you and you

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live to tell about, right,
and you got to see something that many

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people will never get to see,
right, right, never get to see

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so they're living on the edge.
They knew the risk is. It's sad,

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it's sad, it's tragic. I'm
sorry that it happened. But at

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the same time, I go,
stop this bullshit. Now there's gonna be

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all kinds of regulation on these things. Yeah, don't let a crisis go

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to waste. We gotta step in
and fix this. By the way,

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the important question did they find Billy
Zane's career down there? I don't know

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because nobody's seen him. Didn't he
die? No, he's still alive,

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is yeah, I don't know,
but who No? Yeah, he's like,

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yeah, those people, I mean, there's risks every day. Every

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time you get in a car,
you're taking her risk. Oh yeah,

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So I always go kind of here's
still the ballsy ones. Man. Isn't

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that what the CEO said? He
goes, Okay, if you don't want

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to get hurt, stay in bed
all day. Yeah, that's that you

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won't get because you could get hurt
doing anything. Now, I mean there's

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degrees, obviously, obviously, but
I mean I understand what were he was

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coming out. I were exploring something
I was going to ask on Facebook,

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and I thought, boy, the
timing of this would just be too bad.

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But well the question, however,
let's never stopped us before, Billy

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from exploring people's It did stop me
today, it did stop Yeah, it

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did stop me today. But it
would be like, finish this sentence.

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Never, I will never go on
I didn't put it on Facebook, but

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I will never go in or on
blank? What would you never go in

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or on? Um? I would
never go on a rocket or like go

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into space. No desire. No, In fact, part of me doesn't

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even want to leave the country.
No, I have everything I need right

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here in America, this great land. Shannon Evans has come in. She's

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the creator and owner of Nailed at
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by the way, one of the
fifty most dynamic women in the Charlotte

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region. Around here Charlotte, not
Charlotte. Right now, you'll save a

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lot, get right on top of
it. You can jump right into the

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mike. Yeah, you could pull
you could pull a torch. You it's

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bubble. Yeah, you can move
that to wherever you need to go.

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But uh, yeah, is there
anything that you wouldn't go in or on?

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I would not go in a submarine. You would go and thought of

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being in something that small and not
having a way out. Yeah, like

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if the water it just right,
Even if you're not klaustrophobic, you will

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be thinking about that. I did, uh entombed in concrete when I was

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in radio. So it was like
forty eight hours and it looked like a

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real coffin. They toumue concrete.
There's like one air hole coming out you.

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I had internet, This would have
been the early two thousands. I

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had a peanut bag and then when
I got out, I think the bo

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must have been horrible laying in there. Yeah, how'd you number two?

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Yeah? I didn't have to for
two days. I made sure I was

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didn't meet pretty clear or clean going
in and not pretty clean but perfect.

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This was like really tight quarters that
these guys were in, right, But

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I'm trying to think is there anything
I wouldn't go in or on? And

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everything looks so fucking cool to me, But I don't know if I would

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do one of those. Do you
ever see these flight suits where guys jump

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off buildings and the entire suit kind
of blows up. Yeah, they looked

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like flying squirrels. It's exactly what
they look like. And I go,

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I don't know. Now, a
kid I grew up with was doing some

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bass jumping like that and he died. So I don't I don't know they

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to thread the needle. I don't
know what. I don't know what he

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did, but I'm like that.
I mean, I look at those things,

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especially over the finger lakes because there's
no power lines or anything. I

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keep telling you, man that that
powered powerachute, it's basically a go cart

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with a parachute, looks so fucking
cool to me. I want to go

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do it. I mean, what's
the worst that could happen? I I

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think not much, because you got
a parachute exactly if the parachute doesn't Okay.

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So I know a guy I hate
saying this, but I know a

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guy in the cover band community whose
brother died and he was an enthusiast and

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jumping out of planes and doing that
stuff like parachuting, right yeah. And

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our other buddy, who was also
part of that same clique of people,

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is a pilot, and he goes, there's only two things that fall out

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of the sky bird shit and assholes. In other words, like, don't

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there's no reason to do stuff like
that unless you're in the armed forces.

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Jumping out of the airplane. Yeah, now that's something I don't think I

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would do. I don't think I
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don't think I wouldn't do that either. You know, I think I have

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a list I've never would is really
afraid of heights. But nowadays, like

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I've even watched something online. I
watched this lady sit on a cliff like

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like a rock pose for a picture, and all you saw was like sky

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and mountains and all this stuff,
and you just knew it was straight down.

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And she keeps going to the edge, and I go, Na,

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that's not that, that's not so. She had an Instagram boyfriend taking the

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things reality. You know what else
I wouldn't do? Go ahead, No,

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I was the one thing I wouldn't
go. And I thought of carnival

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rides, like my father was against
those huge like there's no regulation they there.

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They're put together by these Southern carnies
up and they take apart talking about,

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oh you're not Southern. Don't even
pretend your che unless your last name

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is Earnhart. Okay, we know
please. I have friends who lived out

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there. It's all like the repopulated
but put together well, terrible. It's

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pins. I remember there was one. I think there was a carnival at

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a Catholic church and a kid got
killed. That's usually been off right there,

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Yes, yeah, it's terrible.
Flies off into another neighborhood. Now,

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there was like there was a ride
I didn't want to do. Uh

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were they sling shot you up into
the air and lets you go? And

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I remember walking in. At the
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and three kids, and my oldest
kid wanted to do it, and I

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go, I don't want to do
that. And so next thing I know,

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I see my wife in line with
him. I go, already,

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fuck this, and so I did
it. But I have a weird thing

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where I can literally just fucking shut
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and his oldest son, my nephew, is autistic. Yeah, and he's

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twenty three. But he loves roller
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coasters. Yeah, there's only one
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even was able to do the tuned
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kind of I don't know what it
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can just shut it down. I
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every time you do that. By
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I won't break something. My wife
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do the dishes right because she doesn't
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dishes in the dishwasher. But well, why don't you do efficiency? I

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guess we're gonna talk to Craig Smith. He is uh an AI expert.

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we be living in a ghost town
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I see those types of things.
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why don't they just like up and
go to Mars? I don't know and

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leave this. Craig Smith is a
journalist. He's a former executive for The

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New York Times until January two thousand, he wrote for The Wall Street Journal,

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most notably covering the rise of the
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he was previously the Times Managing Director
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the company's first foreign language platforms.
And now he has a bi weekly podcast

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called ion Ai and in each episode
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in artificial intelligence, from the creators
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others, And Craig is on the
line right now Craig. Before we get

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into any of that, how many
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getting pretty old. So my language
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Mandarin and French and English of course. Okay, so because Mandarin I heard

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the slime. Well except they you
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thousand year old culture they claimed five
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idioms, so it's actually pretty easy
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a linguist, so she has a
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know what that exactly exactly what,
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talk. I've been excited about Ai
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I turn around, I hear more
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with AI. Yeah, and to
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I feel like it's something you're not
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bottle. Number one and so why
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was talking to someone earlier today and
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the doctor got it wrong sometimes and
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okay, but why wouldn't you,
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embrace that and help it make you
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bedside manner is something that's always going
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you know, whatever gets spit out
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when it's something that could that affects
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know, I'm right, But I
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of bedside matter? And to me, I go, well, why aren't

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we sort of wrapping our arms around
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make us better? Yeah, certainly. I mean the problem with on the

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medical applications is you have to have
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are very strong. But but given
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will wave gladly their their rights.
I think a lot of people for the

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benefit of AI, but also some
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you know, some models are not
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on whether you know not to get
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called a vector database of trusted and
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a large language model like E four
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hallucinates they call it. It comes
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it depends, you know. But
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out in some systems. But it's
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to trust. I mean, if
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all doctors will be using AI as
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to a system. But you want
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that's in many many applications. You
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loot they call it, rather than
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which could make a mistake even if
it's rare, because I even see that.

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GPT excuse me, ye, over
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can take down years in the past
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ten because they can look at so
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yeah, But at the same time, wouldn't you want somebody to explain

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that to you if I don't fully
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put your trust necessarily for lack of
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are the ones that I'm seeing.
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people are going to lose jobs,
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the majority of trading on these changes
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milliseconds, and all of that is
driven by computers. And the largest

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or most one of the most success
full hedge funds in the world, Renaissance

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Technologies, has been doing this privately. The guys that started it came out

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of IBM actually working on their translation
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you know, they've they've been doing
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the guys that started that. But
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risk or or well the risk in
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that there are certain industries that artificially
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yeah, yeah, and it will. I mean, just as maybe you've

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heard these arguments as the industrial revolution
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AI revolutional wiped out a lot of
jobs. If it'll, it'll, it'll,

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I believe, I'm an optimist.
I think that it'll it'll create a

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lot of benefits. It's not jobs
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enough wealth creation that people will be
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long term concern. I think that
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starts taking out huge slabs of the
workforce's you know, people will start using

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it as we're just saying in conjunction
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using it now. You know.
My mother is seventy five years old.

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Last week she had surgery on her
neck and she I was calling to check

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on her, and she was telling
me how she was laying in bed and

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she had left her phone downstairs and
she didn't realize that she could make phone

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calls through Amazon through her Alexa,
and I go, there's artificial intelligence right

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there, you know, I mean
there are parts. I can't tell you

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how many times I live by myself
off I say, Hey Siri, what's

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the weather? Hey Siri, what's
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say, Hey Siri, how do
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know, it's it's it's a great
tool. As for chat GPT, and

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I hear this about, you know, well, what's going to happen with

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education and kids and all that,
I would find it hard to believe that

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any teacher that's reading a paper at
any level of education can't tell it's GPT

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versus the kid. Agree. I
agree? And on that point, on

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the one hand, your kids have
to learn how to use it exactly.

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It's going to be alongside them for
the rest of their lives. So I'm

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not that concerned about kids depending on
Chat GPT. I think that just as

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Google change the way people hold knowledge, right, you know, it's it's

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I remember Ret Megson, It's Henry
Ford that said, I, you know,

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I don't need to know everything.
I need to know how to find

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the guy that knows. So I'm
not so. I think for education you'll

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start seeing AI tutors, and I
frankly use it myself. I talk to

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chat GBT plus, I pay for
the higher model and and I learn all

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kinds of stuff. Just as I'm
working, I have it opened in a

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tab and something comes up I'm not
too sure about. I ask, it

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gives me an answer. I mean, I think it's fantastic, But I

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do understand. I do understand the
concerns about uh, you know, deluding

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the public discourse with disinformation. That's
certainly a concern. Yeah, I'm less,

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I'm less and adherent to the extinction
threat. I just think that's so

407
00:29:45,880 --> 00:29:52,240
remote and there's plenty of time to
work out what we're doing. That seems

408
00:29:52,279 --> 00:29:55,599
like an existential crisis to me,
of something that this isn't going to happen,

409
00:29:55,720 --> 00:29:56,799
like you know what I mean,
It's like it's all made up in

410
00:29:56,799 --> 00:30:03,240
your head and it's never going to
get that far. I wish you think

411
00:30:03,279 --> 00:30:08,519
a little bit like it's in our
heads. Yeah, yeah, you know,

412
00:30:08,599 --> 00:30:11,400
I think I feel the same way. But on the other hand,

413
00:30:12,079 --> 00:30:15,440
there are people and I've been talking
to I'm going to talk to a guy

414
00:30:15,519 --> 00:30:22,759
named Yoshua Benjia Tomorrow, who's one
of the top two or three AI researchers

415
00:30:22,079 --> 00:30:30,519
who are pushing this longer term extinction
threat idea or at least, you know,

416
00:30:30,599 --> 00:30:36,799
signing onto the open letters. And
I just don't see it. And

417
00:30:37,559 --> 00:30:41,920
it's just but you know, these
guys are a hell of a lot smarter

418
00:30:42,000 --> 00:30:45,720
than me and are much more deeply
involved in the tech, and if they're

419
00:30:47,400 --> 00:30:51,400
saying that, there must be something
there. But I still think that we've

420
00:30:51,440 --> 00:30:53,839
got plenty of time. I have
to tell you, mentioned linguists. I

421
00:30:55,599 --> 00:30:59,680
had a conversation with Noam Chomsky.
He's going to be on the table for

422
00:30:59,720 --> 00:31:03,920
a podcast that was a little post
in a week or something, and he

423
00:31:03,039 --> 00:31:10,519
said that it's like, from his
point of view, the risk of an

424
00:31:10,559 --> 00:31:15,200
asteroid hitting New Earth, Yeah,
the risk exists. It's a real risk,

425
00:31:15,279 --> 00:31:18,160
but it's extremely remote, not one
that we should worry about right now.

426
00:31:18,440 --> 00:31:22,079
Right and then the one land in
Syracuse a few years ago, and

427
00:31:22,319 --> 00:31:32,480
I'm dog with lake perfectly noise,
but it is one of the I agree

428
00:31:32,519 --> 00:31:34,079
with with that. I think that
there's probably a pretty good way to look

429
00:31:34,119 --> 00:31:37,079
at it, and look, you
can't I mean, there are certain things

430
00:31:37,079 --> 00:31:41,599
in life you can't control, so
why burn calories trying to do it?

431
00:31:41,680 --> 00:31:44,759
Is my thinking on that. But
to your point, I took a quiz

432
00:31:44,799 --> 00:31:48,119
but knowing you were coming on,
and it was all these different images right,

433
00:31:48,160 --> 00:31:52,079
and you had to tell was it
ai or was it real? And

434
00:31:52,240 --> 00:31:55,079
yeah, at a ten, I
think I got six correct, So I

435
00:31:55,119 --> 00:31:57,880
got sixty percent right, and there
were a few that I couldn't tell.

436
00:31:59,119 --> 00:32:02,400
But there is that. There is
the chat GP or not chet. I

437
00:32:02,480 --> 00:32:07,759
keep saying that I forgive me,
But the artificial intelligence that can duplicate your

438
00:32:07,839 --> 00:32:13,480
voice, there is, and there
are people who are evil doers, so

439
00:32:13,559 --> 00:32:16,240
to speak. And as you're saying, misinformation. But we've heard of times

440
00:32:16,319 --> 00:32:22,279
like forever I have heard it feels
like the last twenty five years or so

441
00:32:22,640 --> 00:32:27,000
of a scam where hey, somebody
calls up and says, it's your grandson

442
00:32:27,200 --> 00:32:30,319
is in jail and Toronto. We're
you know, we're in Rochester, New

443
00:32:30,359 --> 00:32:34,279
York, not far away. It
could be very reasonable that the kid would

444
00:32:34,279 --> 00:32:37,519
be there. Can you send money? And so grandma does and then finds

445
00:32:37,559 --> 00:32:40,079
out it's not true. Now they
can make it sound like the kid,

446
00:32:40,200 --> 00:32:44,799
you know what I mean. And
that's the stuff that's I think is the

447
00:32:44,880 --> 00:32:49,880
part that is very scary for people. And I like to think that sometimes

448
00:32:50,839 --> 00:32:55,119
that's something that would be more of
a fringe thing to happen with AI than

449
00:32:55,160 --> 00:32:59,400
the main thing that happens with AI. And we pay attention to the frings

450
00:32:59,519 --> 00:33:07,079
these days so much because they're so
loud on everything. Yeah. Yeah,

451
00:33:07,079 --> 00:33:10,680
But to that point about the fringe, the reason we pay attention to them

452
00:33:10,759 --> 00:33:17,759
is social media and the Internet has
made them pervasive in our lives. They're

453
00:33:17,759 --> 00:33:24,039
in no longer fringe in terms of
of our exposure to them and AI.

454
00:33:24,559 --> 00:33:28,279
As you say, with the with
the cloning of voices, you know,

455
00:33:28,680 --> 00:33:35,359
Facebook just came out with a really
refined version of that that they're not releasing

456
00:33:36,440 --> 00:33:40,839
because they're afraid of abuses. So
I think it's like phishing emails people.

457
00:33:42,000 --> 00:33:45,880
It will there will be a lot
of abuse, and society will gradually become

458
00:33:47,000 --> 00:33:53,519
you know, jaded and seasoned and
skeptical, and you know, there will

459
00:33:53,599 --> 00:34:00,079
be other ways to verify whether something
is real or not. But but that

460
00:34:00,319 --> 00:34:09,320
is so the immediate danger is delution
of of truth by untruth, and it

461
00:34:09,360 --> 00:34:15,760
becomes very difficult for the public for
us to know what's real and what's not

462
00:34:15,840 --> 00:34:20,119
real. And once you lose that
bead, then you really see you as

463
00:34:20,199 --> 00:34:23,920
we saw in the last election.
It's harder now than ever, I think,

464
00:34:23,960 --> 00:34:29,679
because information comes at you so fast
and then just try being you know,

465
00:34:29,760 --> 00:34:32,039
let's say you're of the age they
have children, and you're running around

466
00:34:32,079 --> 00:34:36,360
and you're trying to who has the
time to sit down and go what's right?

467
00:34:36,440 --> 00:34:38,000
What's not? And so it's all
coming at you. And that's where

468
00:34:38,000 --> 00:34:42,079
we you know, the term fake
news is is fantastic. It's all fake

469
00:34:42,159 --> 00:34:46,639
news, Billy, there's no reality. I love that. I'll even go

470
00:34:46,719 --> 00:34:50,440
back and I'll go back in time
and I'll go, hey, they should

471
00:34:50,440 --> 00:34:54,119
have said then it was fake news. And that's well. The Emancipation Proclamation

472
00:34:54,159 --> 00:34:58,440
didn't get to Texas to late two
sixty five. It was fake news until

473
00:34:58,480 --> 00:35:02,679
the holiday out of it. So
thank you, right, it's just crazy

474
00:35:02,719 --> 00:35:05,519
what we're gonna say. So I
don't know, sir, did you.

475
00:35:06,400 --> 00:35:08,960
There's a story that Elon Musk and
Larry Page, one of the founders of

476
00:35:09,000 --> 00:35:15,280
Google, had a disagreement, and
the disagreement was that Elon said, if

477
00:35:15,280 --> 00:35:19,159
this power gets into the wrong hands, we're gonna have a problem, and

478
00:35:19,639 --> 00:35:22,159
Larry Page told Elon you're a specist. He look, you can't with the

479
00:35:22,199 --> 00:35:25,440
word specious. In other words,
you're only in favor of life, You're

480
00:35:25,480 --> 00:35:29,320
not in favor of artificial intelligence.
And the two and a falling out.

481
00:35:30,079 --> 00:35:32,440
Is that? Is that true story? That? Well, I don't know

482
00:35:32,480 --> 00:35:38,119
if it was Page that said spent, but both of those stories come from

483
00:35:38,159 --> 00:35:43,719
Elon Musk. And I'm not sure
if the Page was the one that he

484
00:35:43,840 --> 00:35:50,119
accused of being a specist in the
words chauvinists where a species over technology.

485
00:35:50,559 --> 00:35:54,639
But the story of his disagreement with
Page, he told that two of all

486
00:35:54,800 --> 00:36:01,199
people, Tucker Carlton him in that
the interview he did with Tucker Carlson a

487
00:36:01,320 --> 00:36:07,400
month or so ago. And yeah, he claimed that. And it's true.

488
00:36:07,480 --> 00:36:13,079
He was the impetus behind open AI
that now is sort of leading in

489
00:36:13,159 --> 00:36:19,199
all these advancements. Oh yeah,
yeah. And he formed open AI specifically

490
00:36:19,320 --> 00:36:27,239
to be open so that these powerful
technologies are not held in private by by

491
00:36:27,920 --> 00:36:31,480
the legion of dooms. Right.
I am a somewhat of a fan of

492
00:36:31,559 --> 00:36:35,239
Elon Musk. I have too.
Every time I get a little more where

493
00:36:35,280 --> 00:36:37,519
I kind of like him a little
bit more. Uh, yeah, I

494
00:36:37,519 --> 00:36:40,320
did know that. I thought he
gave like fifty million dollars to open AI

495
00:36:40,840 --> 00:36:45,000
to kind of start them. And
he'll he'll say, if if it wasn't

496
00:36:45,000 --> 00:36:46,880
for me, they wouldn't exist.
But I'll just ask you this on a

497
00:36:46,920 --> 00:36:55,679
completely silly note. This is completely
silly. Elon Musk is going to fight

498
00:36:59,199 --> 00:37:04,400
Mark Zuckerver. Yeah, yeah,
I supposedly is a real thing, and

499
00:37:04,400 --> 00:37:07,239
and it's Dana White from the UFC, and he thinks he would be the

500
00:37:07,239 --> 00:37:10,280
biggest fight in the world. And
it doesn't make it right. It's it's

501
00:37:10,320 --> 00:37:14,320
comical, is it not? But
I said, but there's a piece of

502
00:37:14,320 --> 00:37:17,760
the distraction. But you want to
watch. Well, I like Elon,

503
00:37:17,880 --> 00:37:22,119
but I'm afraid that he's a little
flatty and he might get her special guest

504
00:37:22,119 --> 00:37:23,480
referee will be Mike Tyson. Okay, guy, if he's a deal,

505
00:37:24,159 --> 00:37:30,079
no punching below the belt, Yeah, it would be great to see.

506
00:37:30,880 --> 00:37:38,000
I mean, Muscus is older,
yes, yes, yes, but you

507
00:37:38,039 --> 00:37:44,840
know, I'm sure Luckerberg has all
kinds of personal trainers, but he doesn't

508
00:37:44,880 --> 00:37:47,960
appear that imposing. He does not, but I think he does do judo.

509
00:37:49,039 --> 00:37:52,159
I do think I did leave that
he studies Judo. Yeah, yeah,

510
00:37:52,280 --> 00:37:58,480
yeah, yeah, that would be
that would be yeah. I agree.

511
00:37:58,480 --> 00:38:02,440
It would be the biggest period review
in the history of television, which

512
00:38:02,519 --> 00:38:06,840
is ridiculous and very silly. I
mean, while Biden selling out the country

513
00:38:06,840 --> 00:38:12,960
to China. No, look at
this, Craig. Beyond the I on

514
00:38:13,039 --> 00:38:15,920
AI, what else are you working
on? You? You're a very interesting

515
00:38:15,920 --> 00:38:19,519
guy. I would think. Is
there a book or something too? Actually,

516
00:38:19,599 --> 00:38:24,599
I am working on a book about
AI, okay, but been delayed

517
00:38:24,639 --> 00:38:30,360
by by all the pandemic and stuff. And now anyway, I've got to

518
00:38:30,400 --> 00:38:35,960
get back into China. But and
I'm working on an app, a travel

519
00:38:36,039 --> 00:38:39,880
app. And I still write for
a lot of publications occasionally, still write

520
00:38:39,920 --> 00:38:44,400
for The Times, So I'm busy. Yeah. I saw that you wrote

521
00:38:44,400 --> 00:38:46,880
a couple things for Forbes too.
Yeah, yeah, I write for Forbes

522
00:38:46,920 --> 00:38:51,719
on a Yeah. Well, with
with AI continuously changing, that you're writing

523
00:38:51,719 --> 00:38:53,840
a book about AI in all seriousness, I mean, with Kindle and everything

524
00:38:53,840 --> 00:38:59,400
else, could you write an updateable
book that continues to be updated throughout AI

525
00:38:59,559 --> 00:39:04,239
changes? Sure, that's right.
You could. You could tie it to

526
00:39:04,960 --> 00:39:08,880
GPT, to to the GPG browser
plug in, so that as new information

527
00:39:08,960 --> 00:39:15,719
comes in. I mean frankly,
that's a good point change. Yeah,

528
00:39:15,599 --> 00:39:22,079
that's right. I certaly use the
money. Yeah, it's uh, it's

529
00:39:22,119 --> 00:39:29,239
really there's I and you guys are
younger. I want to see what happened.

530
00:39:29,519 --> 00:39:32,239
You know, it's incredible. What
you know again, you were talking

531
00:39:32,239 --> 00:39:37,639
about the darkness, you were talking
about some of the other applications. Uh,

532
00:39:37,880 --> 00:39:43,159
the uh you know the quiz with
the images. I mean, we're

533
00:39:43,199 --> 00:39:50,239
only like less than ten years into
the validation of deep learning was in two

534
00:39:50,280 --> 00:39:53,519
thousand and twelve. Transformers, which
are at the core of the of the

535
00:39:53,639 --> 00:39:59,000
generative AI, the chat, TBT
and all that stuff was only created in

536
00:39:59,039 --> 00:40:02,079
two thousands of team. Imagine what
it's going to be like ten years from

537
00:40:02,119 --> 00:40:07,519
now. It's it's it's exciting.
I find it exciting. I did do

538
00:40:07,599 --> 00:40:14,639
and I think I've really fully became
aware of AI where computers can gain knowledge.

539
00:40:14,840 --> 00:40:17,679
Actually was two somebody else reminders them, but watch it on Jeopardy.

540
00:40:17,920 --> 00:40:23,559
Watching on Jeopardy is one. And
then lost. I don't remember. No,

541
00:40:23,719 --> 00:40:27,679
I think I thought, I thought
Watson, Yeah, I think he

542
00:40:27,719 --> 00:40:31,239
did. And then the deep Blue
Chess, where you know, I would

543
00:40:31,239 --> 00:40:35,280
play against masters and it would remember
and learn, and then it was just

544
00:40:35,320 --> 00:40:43,239
crushing everybody. That's right. But
frankly, those two systems are much simpler

545
00:40:43,360 --> 00:40:51,639
and much less capable than CHAPTBT and
GBq four. This generative a new these

546
00:40:51,719 --> 00:40:59,239
large language models. They read virtually
every book published in English, they read

547
00:40:59,400 --> 00:41:05,719
virtually entire Internet. Uh, it's
it's mind buggling. It's the amount of

548
00:41:05,800 --> 00:41:12,840
information information they've observed. And even
they got bored with toolstoy. Are we

549
00:41:12,880 --> 00:41:16,960
gonna meet current or what the h
Take me back to China for just one

550
00:41:17,079 --> 00:41:21,719
moment, since you've spent so much
time there and you talked about AI over

551
00:41:21,760 --> 00:41:24,039
in China. You know, one
of the big things to come out of

552
00:41:24,119 --> 00:41:29,480
China that raises eyebrows of everybody,
and I hear it in Congress is TikTok.

553
00:41:30,000 --> 00:41:32,719
But the TikTok that we see it's
not the TikTok that China sees.

554
00:41:34,440 --> 00:41:37,800
Yeah, and it does feel like
in some way they're almost beating us from

555
00:41:37,800 --> 00:41:42,079
the inside out or the rest of
the I don't I don't buy that at

556
00:41:42,079 --> 00:41:47,559
all, Okay, because I have
seen the you know, in the TikTok

557
00:41:50,599 --> 00:41:54,360
equivalent in China, and whee chat
has a shorts you know like YouTube as

558
00:41:54,400 --> 00:42:00,760
shorts now and it's yeah, you
you they show a little us ass cheek

559
00:42:00,960 --> 00:42:08,079
frankly, but it's all the same
titillation and stupid stuff and people gooping around

560
00:42:08,119 --> 00:42:13,639
and see, I've heard that narrative, but I haven't seen any data to

561
00:42:13,760 --> 00:42:15,880
support it. I see I like
that as somebody who's the right who?

562
00:42:17,480 --> 00:42:21,079
I have another question, like,
so a lot of people listening to this

563
00:42:21,159 --> 00:42:24,199
probably are wondering right now, including
me, what jobs are AI proof?

564
00:42:24,320 --> 00:42:28,039
Have you gotten that far into it? Like like what we know? Like

565
00:42:28,079 --> 00:42:31,159
I know, dishwashing right right?
Cooking? Sure, well you're cooking,

566
00:42:31,159 --> 00:42:37,440
I mean McDonald's. Like it's going
away from people. Yeah, but that's

567
00:42:37,480 --> 00:42:42,840
the kind of ironic. In the
Industrial Revolution took out blue college jobs,

568
00:42:42,840 --> 00:42:47,000
this is going to take out sort
of mid to higher level white collar jobs

569
00:42:47,719 --> 00:42:54,159
or at least you know, ye
compete for those jobs and anything. But

570
00:42:54,400 --> 00:43:00,079
first of all, there's a lot
of people confound robotics and a high that

571
00:43:00,159 --> 00:43:05,960
you can combine the two, and
that's the ambition. But robotics is far

572
00:43:06,079 --> 00:43:13,840
behind AI in terms of miniaturization of
motors. And you know, a robot

573
00:43:14,119 --> 00:43:19,880
like the Atlas robot that Boston Dynamics
has you've seen doing some assaults and stuff.

574
00:43:20,360 --> 00:43:28,400
That's an extremely complicated machine that requires
a tremendous amount of specialized maintenance.

575
00:43:28,440 --> 00:43:32,559
It's it's it's not going to be
walking around your house anytime soon. Yeah,

576
00:43:32,559 --> 00:43:36,719
that's why I got hired from Terminator
four because he was a complete divo

577
00:43:36,760 --> 00:43:42,719
around the set. That's right.
So any job that requires manual dexterity at

578
00:43:42,719 --> 00:43:45,440
a guy in fixing my refrigerator.
I mean, you know you're not going

579
00:43:45,480 --> 00:43:52,199
to get AI to do anything that
involves manipulating the physical world outside of a

580
00:43:52,320 --> 00:43:58,880
factory. And so, and also
any what you guys do, anything that

581
00:43:58,960 --> 00:44:04,559
involves him creativity. That's you know, my son's an actor. I tell

582
00:44:04,639 --> 00:44:08,320
him, if you're fine, the
AI is never going to be Although there

583
00:44:08,320 --> 00:44:15,679
will be a lot of you know, computer generated movies and things like that,

584
00:44:15,840 --> 00:44:20,960
people still want the authenticity. I'm
so glad you said that word,

585
00:44:20,960 --> 00:44:29,239
Craig. Authenticity to me cannot be
replaced. And if anything, be yourself,

586
00:44:29,679 --> 00:44:31,840
be your authentic self. I think
you're fine no matter what the job

587
00:44:31,960 --> 00:44:37,599
is, because you're always selling yourself
in some capacity. We may not like

588
00:44:37,639 --> 00:44:40,639
to think that, but we are. And if you're being authentic you're going

589
00:44:40,719 --> 00:44:44,519
to cut through, and I think
you'll be fine. Have we seen your

590
00:44:44,519 --> 00:44:49,960
son and anything he's done on the
Blacklist, But most of his work has

591
00:44:50,039 --> 00:44:53,320
been theater. Okay, yeah,
unless you're in New York watching the off

592
00:44:53,320 --> 00:44:58,519
Broadway theater and yeah, very good, that's cool. Yeah, that's that's

593
00:44:58,639 --> 00:45:01,599
yea interesting. Well to me,
this has been enlightening and actually makes me

594
00:45:01,599 --> 00:45:06,800
feel a little bit better about uh
Ai. After I saw something on CNN.

595
00:45:06,840 --> 00:45:09,400
I've just flipping through and they're going, oh, you gotta be really

596
00:45:09,440 --> 00:45:14,119
worried. It's gonna take over.
And there's one guy said, I don't

597
00:45:14,119 --> 00:45:17,119
think that it'll lead to extinction,
but I think it could really hurt us.

598
00:45:17,159 --> 00:45:22,840
And why are we saying this?
Why? Why? Why don't do

599
00:45:22,880 --> 00:45:25,199
that? Well because everything that they've
like, well they say hell is the

600
00:45:25,239 --> 00:45:29,440
road to hell is paved with good
attentions, steroids. This is gonna be

601
00:45:29,440 --> 00:45:31,440
a good thing. Wrong, you
know, uh four oh one? K

602
00:45:31,519 --> 00:45:36,440
is it gonna be a good thing? I don't know what. One thing

603
00:45:36,519 --> 00:45:40,440
that this debate has done is is
gotten the regulators active. You know,

604
00:45:42,199 --> 00:45:45,000
not that not that they haven't been
active, but you know, Schumer is

605
00:45:45,000 --> 00:45:52,519
now pushing a raft of AI legislation
Europe has finalized it's first raft of it's

606
00:45:52,559 --> 00:45:58,800
a regulations, so and that's good
leading in regulations. Yeah, well I

607
00:45:59,480 --> 00:46:02,199
think regular relations are good too.
Sometimes they worry about those who are pushing

608
00:46:02,280 --> 00:46:07,360
for it don't really understand what this
all is. But hopefully they just find

609
00:46:07,360 --> 00:46:12,840
the right people. Craig, I
find this fascinating, and you're the podcast

610
00:46:12,960 --> 00:46:16,960
is really interesting. It's I I
on AI comes up bi weekly on YouTube

611
00:46:17,039 --> 00:46:22,639
or are also on other platforms.
It's on all the platforms. YouTube has

612
00:46:22,840 --> 00:46:25,719
video, but Apple, podcast,
Spotify, everything. Yeah, I like

613
00:46:27,159 --> 00:46:30,960
like an eyeball eye. Yeah,
I on AI and it is uh.

614
00:46:30,960 --> 00:46:34,800
I think it'll be enlightening to people
and maybe make you feel a little bit

615
00:46:34,840 --> 00:46:38,920
better. Yeah, yeah, absolutely, Yeah, thank you sir. Okay,

616
00:46:39,159 --> 00:46:44,000
thank you guys. Nice to meet
you. Yeah, it goes Craig

617
00:46:44,039 --> 00:46:46,320
Smith kind of. I mean,
yeah, I will make a great vice

618
00:46:46,320 --> 00:46:52,960
president. I'll tell you that.
What is up with you? What I'm

619
00:46:52,000 --> 00:46:54,679
just saying, Well, you know, but I've made a great president last

620
00:46:54,719 --> 00:46:59,559
time too. I'm gonna be fair
maybe maybe although that one actually you don't

621
00:46:59,559 --> 00:47:04,199
want to I like facticity of that
clown. Nobody got hurt. We survived.

622
00:47:04,360 --> 00:47:07,760
Today, we are going to unify
to talk about all right, she

623
00:47:07,920 --> 00:47:13,480
suffered long enough, we will We'll
talk to Shannon Evans. I feel bad

624
00:47:13,519 --> 00:47:15,480
that you came in sight. I
love it. Did that stuff is very

625
00:47:15,480 --> 00:47:20,119
important in this stuff I do,
like we're talking about in human connection.

626
00:47:20,159 --> 00:47:23,360
You cannot well see That's what I'm
saying, and you can't and exactly so

627
00:47:23,360 --> 00:47:27,280
I'm not worried at all. Yeah, you can't do stuff on Pinterest.

628
00:47:27,599 --> 00:47:30,000
No, No, we will get
to know a little bit more about Shannon.

629
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660
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Baby, we're all in same one
with same time. We're all in the

661
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same boat. We're all that same
AI boat, Danny. At least we're

662
00:50:06,760 --> 00:50:08,960
not in that boat. That's too
soon. It wasn't a boat, it

663
00:50:09,000 --> 00:50:14,199
was a submersible, bad bad ybersable. I didn't see somebody that the politically

664
00:50:14,199 --> 00:50:19,400
correct term submersible. Yeah, I
did see somebody put up all the submarine

665
00:50:19,440 --> 00:50:23,119
and take a ride on the Titan
two hundred and fifty thousand dollars to uh

666
00:50:23,800 --> 00:50:29,360
hang out with the people who died
on this the Titanic. Priceless. It's

667
00:50:29,400 --> 00:50:30,960
like something something meme like that.
I go way, that's really quick.

668
00:50:31,400 --> 00:50:35,840
It's really so. Now the next
to or submersible it's going to be a

669
00:50:36,000 --> 00:50:38,320
Now we could see two crashes.
Well, would you want to go out?

670
00:50:38,360 --> 00:50:40,719
No? I would never want to
do that either. I wouldn't want

671
00:50:40,760 --> 00:50:44,119
to do it. Awful, it's
awful, It is awful. But that

672
00:50:44,320 --> 00:50:45,920
but that that kid, that step
kid though that's going on only fans and

673
00:50:46,000 --> 00:50:49,960
all this other stuff that is priceless. That was that was my favorite.

674
00:50:50,199 --> 00:50:52,679
So this girl put down she had
like her big old bodanca donc and just

675
00:50:52,800 --> 00:50:58,000
a thong bikini. She's putting out
there and she goes, I'd love how

676
00:50:58,079 --> 00:51:01,079
would you like me to sit on
you? And so the stepson of the

677
00:51:01,199 --> 00:51:07,880
billionaire who died in this boat or
in this submersible put up something to the

678
00:51:07,920 --> 00:51:13,039
events of uh, when can it
happen or something like that right away tomorrow

679
00:51:13,159 --> 00:51:17,079
after though, but this is after
Shannon. He put up please please pray

680
00:51:17,239 --> 00:51:22,400
for my family. This is before
they knew anything. But it was like

681
00:51:22,599 --> 00:51:27,559
and a half hour later he's hitting
on the uh the only fans girl.

682
00:51:27,639 --> 00:51:37,119
I found out later it was just
all a not yeah I I I looked

683
00:51:37,159 --> 00:51:39,440
at him. My son, not
my style. I gotta that's not my

684
00:51:39,559 --> 00:51:44,880
style. Shannon is the creator and
owner of Nailed, the d y I

685
00:51:45,039 --> 00:51:51,320
Studios, and the host No I
Gotta get this in the host of Ryobe

686
00:51:51,440 --> 00:51:53,920
Tools one on one, which I
would say, if you're a homeowner,

687
00:51:54,199 --> 00:51:59,239
Ryobe's probably the best tools to get. And I'm not just saying that,

688
00:51:59,440 --> 00:52:02,800
I am I dead serious. I
think that there are other companies. We

689
00:52:02,880 --> 00:52:06,719
all know the names of them,
but I think they're more for guys who

690
00:52:06,760 --> 00:52:08,840
know what they're doing, and not
that Rio isn't for people who don't know.

691
00:52:08,920 --> 00:52:12,760
But they're they're easier, they're more
compact. I think they do a

692
00:52:12,840 --> 00:52:15,039
great job or more. It's more
approachable, Yes, more approachable. Yeah,

693
00:52:15,079 --> 00:52:19,280
yeah, it's it's kind as that. How did you become the Rio

694
00:52:20,320 --> 00:52:22,880
host of riob tools one or one
of all of the things that I do

695
00:52:22,000 --> 00:52:25,320
with would you Know, would and
DIY. It was very organic. It

696
00:52:25,400 --> 00:52:30,000
was a very organic push of Okay, we need someone to do these videos.

697
00:52:30,039 --> 00:52:35,639
We want that person to be approachable
and at people have to trust that

698
00:52:35,760 --> 00:52:37,840
person that's telling them how to use
those tools safety and properly. Right,

699
00:52:37,880 --> 00:52:43,599
So there was just they the executives
needed someone that they felt was approachable in

700
00:52:43,679 --> 00:52:46,639
that. I mean, honestly,
like in my world, there's a lot

701
00:52:46,679 --> 00:52:51,000
of faces and most of them are
not women. And that's fine. I

702
00:52:51,079 --> 00:52:52,639
mean that's not a hit on men
at all. Everyone can do this stuff.

703
00:52:52,679 --> 00:52:55,760
But um, they didn't, you
know, I think honestly they didn't

704
00:52:55,800 --> 00:53:00,320
want to go and put a woman
in there that they were like stereotype cool

705
00:53:00,400 --> 00:53:05,559
like builder women or or on the
clear other side of like supermodel. So

706
00:53:05,960 --> 00:53:08,320
as much as that probably is not
a confident compliment, I'm like, no,

707
00:53:08,400 --> 00:53:10,559
that's cool. I'm in the middle, okay, Yeah, Like there's

708
00:53:10,599 --> 00:53:16,760
nothing where it's like we did our
research on the spectrum here too. You

709
00:53:17,239 --> 00:53:22,239
made the cut. Um yeah,
so it's it's interesting, it's a cool

710
00:53:22,280 --> 00:53:24,199
world. Where do you see Ryobi? One? Oh one, it's Riobi.

711
00:53:24,320 --> 00:53:27,719
Let's go then. Yeah, So
why did I always think was Ryo

712
00:53:27,960 --> 00:53:30,800
because the like rye bread ry or
sounds like robe. I always I mean

713
00:53:30,840 --> 00:53:35,239
I swart of got for years because
I have us. Yeah, people comment

714
00:53:36,079 --> 00:53:38,000
Riobi people will comment on the videos
and be like, you're saying it wrong.

715
00:53:38,079 --> 00:53:42,920
I'm like, oh, I'm not. Yeah, well if you are

716
00:53:43,159 --> 00:53:46,519
right, so we just good.
I'm glad you correct now important? Yeah,

717
00:53:46,519 --> 00:53:50,280
it is important, Riobi, please
tell me you said it wrong.

718
00:53:50,440 --> 00:53:52,760
Until they told me, I did
not, God only because I watched their

719
00:53:52,840 --> 00:53:55,760
videos already and I followed them.
Okay, it's like that episode of the

720
00:53:55,760 --> 00:53:59,559
Office where they couldn't figure how to
pronounced saber or is it saber or is

721
00:53:59,559 --> 00:54:02,880
it saw bray? Could be both? I mean, who's really right?

722
00:54:04,079 --> 00:54:06,960
Well, when you go to the
pizza place, what is it? Sobreros

723
00:54:07,960 --> 00:54:13,079
uh so? Riob? Yeah,
I'm never gonna get that you're going to

724
00:54:13,119 --> 00:54:16,360
I can do it over and over
and over. But Rio, so,

725
00:54:16,719 --> 00:54:21,760
what do you do on this show? The promise of the whole episodes that

726
00:54:21,840 --> 00:54:24,920
they film are you need to maybe
use your drill for the first time and

727
00:54:25,000 --> 00:54:28,960
you know nothing like this is like
right here? How do you really?

728
00:54:29,280 --> 00:54:31,000
I know, I'm just playing along. No, I like it. Um

729
00:54:31,239 --> 00:54:34,440
So they would be someone that's like, how do you use a drill?

730
00:54:34,719 --> 00:54:37,039
Full of shit? I was gonna
say, I might put you to the

731
00:54:37,079 --> 00:54:42,199
time. Okay, So this confession
confession, couldn't tell you you don't know

732
00:54:42,320 --> 00:54:46,679
suppliers confession monkey rn. My ex
wife got the tools and the divorce.

733
00:54:47,199 --> 00:54:51,880
My wife, now, who's awesome, has this pink toolbox and everything,

734
00:54:51,920 --> 00:54:54,440
and I'm like, honey, can't
use your toolbox take care of something?

735
00:54:54,800 --> 00:54:59,800
And then she let me show you
how it's done. Okay, I mean

736
00:55:00,000 --> 00:55:02,119
it's not It's it's like the world
I'm in. It's so foreign to me

737
00:55:02,199 --> 00:55:06,280
to think man or woman. Yes, like just where I am and in

738
00:55:06,719 --> 00:55:08,679
the way that I grew up in
that world and I didn't know it as

739
00:55:08,760 --> 00:55:13,239
something I wasn't allowed to do or
I couldn't do. So when you say

740
00:55:13,280 --> 00:55:15,760
grow up in that world, yeah, I mean my parents are both,

741
00:55:15,280 --> 00:55:20,960
you know, blue collar like they
wed. My dad has owned and run

742
00:55:21,039 --> 00:55:23,880
and operated his own plumbing and heating
company in Wade County. Plumbing. I

743
00:55:24,000 --> 00:55:27,920
just to his website last night.
It's called Palm Palma Plumbing, ok yeah,

744
00:55:27,960 --> 00:55:30,519
eating hvac um. And my mother
was a crafter, like you know,

745
00:55:30,639 --> 00:55:34,960
making floral arrangements and crafts, very
crafty. Yeah. And so both

746
00:55:35,000 --> 00:55:37,320
of my parents never said no.
And I think that's interesting because I have

747
00:55:37,440 --> 00:55:40,159
children too, and and I think
that's where a lot of the creativity and

748
00:55:40,239 --> 00:55:45,039
kids get lost because the parents try
to guide that what they know or based

749
00:55:45,039 --> 00:55:47,400
on what they can do. And
I never was told it was a no.

750
00:55:47,840 --> 00:55:52,440
Well I said a little more of
an artistic mind. Yeah, to

751
00:55:52,719 --> 00:55:53,519
all have it? Yeah, no, no, I think we all have

752
00:55:53,639 --> 00:55:58,440
that. I'm saying like being that. Like, my dad grew up in

753
00:55:58,880 --> 00:56:01,559
a tenement in Brooklyn, Okay,
top floor. He had to walk all

754
00:56:01,559 --> 00:56:05,480
the way up. The poor people
lived up top back in the day before

755
00:56:05,519 --> 00:56:07,840
elevators and stuffed. Seriously, if
you look back in his from me the

756
00:56:07,119 --> 00:56:09,719
people, Yeah, because he had
a walk. So that's where he grew

757
00:56:09,800 --> 00:56:14,760
up. He came here to Fisher. He eventually got a doctorate in philosophy.

758
00:56:14,880 --> 00:56:16,400
He built the house that I grew
up and never having had a power

759
00:56:16,440 --> 00:56:21,840
tool, he built me one of
the coolest rooms in at like they were

760
00:56:21,880 --> 00:56:23,679
having a third kid. It was
sort of a surprise. So there was

761
00:56:23,719 --> 00:56:28,800
only three bedrooms. He built a
lost love. He made a cork door

762
00:56:28,920 --> 00:56:30,559
for the closet I had sly.
It was the great. It was like

763
00:56:30,639 --> 00:56:36,159
living in a fort. He did
all that, changed windows, did roofs,

764
00:56:36,239 --> 00:56:38,159
did every there was nothing he couldn't
do, and I think that that

765
00:56:38,400 --> 00:56:44,000
mindset of there's nothing you can't do
right is one that Let me tell you

766
00:56:44,039 --> 00:56:46,719
about my dad. Now, my
dad was a still worker, hard working

767
00:56:46,800 --> 00:56:50,800
man, but like he owned an
apartment house. My mother's not. My

768
00:56:50,840 --> 00:56:53,639
brother owns. It's like fourth generation. But what's funny is that they had

769
00:56:53,639 --> 00:56:59,159
to go back and refix everything he
tried to do himself. I mean everything,

770
00:56:59,239 --> 00:57:00,119
the electrician, all that stuff.
The other thing, too, is

771
00:57:00,159 --> 00:57:02,360
we were growing up. You mentioned
your parents were very open and letting you

772
00:57:02,440 --> 00:57:05,800
do stuff. My father looked at
me and goes, okay, no,

773
00:57:06,039 --> 00:57:07,519
you're going to college. I'm not
showing you anything. Your brother, though,

774
00:57:07,880 --> 00:57:10,199
is a dumbass. I'm gonna show
him how to do all this stuff.

775
00:57:10,719 --> 00:57:14,360
And yeah, yeah, yeah right. So no I don't know how

776
00:57:14,360 --> 00:57:15,800
to do anything, but my brother
knows how to do all that cool stuff.

777
00:57:16,000 --> 00:57:17,800
Well, when we were talking about
AI too, I was thinking in

778
00:57:17,880 --> 00:57:22,000
my head there's certain things that people
crave authenticity of, and that is like

779
00:57:22,119 --> 00:57:24,760
furniture for instance. So yeah,
sure, you can go get a table

780
00:57:24,800 --> 00:57:28,760
built at Ikea, or you can
I don't know, buy a wall piece

781
00:57:28,800 --> 00:57:31,159
for Ikea, but people love the
look knowing it was handmade, and I

782
00:57:31,320 --> 00:57:35,920
don't think there's anywhere in history where
you can say that went away. No.

783
00:57:36,280 --> 00:57:38,679
I agree with you there, like
it's never like replaceable. No,

784
00:57:38,880 --> 00:57:42,920
there's just no way. Do you
make furniture? I do? You do?

785
00:57:43,119 --> 00:57:46,320
I do? I love that it's
you. That's a big deal.

786
00:57:46,400 --> 00:57:50,760
I know somebody who let anyone out
of business like Ikia. But yeah,

787
00:57:50,920 --> 00:57:52,880
the idea that if there's something I
want it and I see it in my

788
00:57:53,000 --> 00:57:55,639
mind, there's no other way for
me to get that, you know,

789
00:57:57,400 --> 00:58:00,519
I don't. I don't see everything
as like four table like and straight.

790
00:58:00,679 --> 00:58:02,400
You know. So if I think
of a table, I'm not thinking like

791
00:58:02,480 --> 00:58:05,440
what you probably would think of a
table. I'm like, oh, let's

792
00:58:05,480 --> 00:58:08,440
make it two layers. What what
do you have formal training in this sort

793
00:58:08,480 --> 00:58:12,719
of bye bye that? I mean? Did you go to design school or

794
00:58:13,159 --> 00:58:15,239
not? I went to school for
broadcasting. You did? Yeah? And

795
00:58:15,639 --> 00:58:19,119
I always had this knack. I
remember when I was really young. My

796
00:58:19,199 --> 00:58:21,840
mom would say I would say,
Mom, I want to rearrange my room.

797
00:58:21,880 --> 00:58:23,559
And this happened like monthly, and
I would be like, I want

798
00:58:23,559 --> 00:58:27,639
to rearrange my room and redo it. I need a new theme and my

799
00:58:27,760 --> 00:58:30,559
mom never said no. Yeah,
she was like, go ahead, go

800
00:58:30,639 --> 00:58:32,079
ahead, what do you want it
to look like? So in my mind

801
00:58:32,119 --> 00:58:36,039
I always had again this outlet where
I was like, I can make things

802
00:58:36,119 --> 00:58:38,679
look the way I want them to
look, and I can do it myself.

803
00:58:38,800 --> 00:58:44,320
So you all your parents a big
thing. I know, they're literally

804
00:58:44,840 --> 00:58:54,119
not doing anything. I was a
last key child. They just let you

805
00:58:54,199 --> 00:59:00,079
know what I'm saying, you must
have such great vision and spatial awareness that

806
00:59:00,159 --> 00:59:02,519
sounds ridiculous. I go into rooms
and I think, and I don't mean

807
00:59:02,559 --> 00:59:05,199
it in a bad way, but
every house I go in, I'm like,

808
00:59:05,280 --> 00:59:07,360
what could I do? She walked
in here, she started telling us

809
00:59:07,400 --> 00:59:09,119
what to do with the table.
In my mind, I'm like, oh,

810
00:59:09,440 --> 00:59:14,039
but it's it's it's almost like it's
always in the way though, Like

811
00:59:14,159 --> 00:59:19,159
imagine yeah, right, I mean
imagine just like always having that in your

812
00:59:19,199 --> 00:59:22,880
mind. And now even just the
advances and tools like there are power tools

813
00:59:22,920 --> 00:59:25,639
that will like do stuff that's like
leveled up, like Riobi makes this router,

814
00:59:25,760 --> 00:59:29,679
and I remember like how scared I
was to use it, and I

815
00:59:29,840 --> 00:59:30,840
was like, you know what go
for what is the worst that could happen?

816
00:59:30,880 --> 00:59:32,840
Well, we know the worst that
could happen is not a good thing

817
00:59:32,920 --> 00:59:36,679
and probably take your finger off,
right, But I did it, and

818
00:59:36,760 --> 00:59:38,960
I remember how great that looked,
and I was like, Okay, here's

819
00:59:38,960 --> 00:59:43,559
the deal. I can either do
it and fail, I find but I

820
00:59:43,719 --> 00:59:46,039
learned something and I'll try again,
or I could never do it and pay

821
00:59:46,119 --> 00:59:52,239
someone to do it right and never
even try. I always know I had

822
00:59:52,280 --> 00:59:54,480
an old house. Uh, and
I wouldn't. I wasn't great at doing

823
00:59:54,519 --> 00:59:59,400
stuff, but I liked doing stuff
and work with my hands only because you

824
00:59:59,480 --> 01:00:00,440
know, I was doing radio.
And at the end of the day,

825
01:00:01,000 --> 01:00:05,679
I don't know, right, I
have no idea. There's nothing tangible for

826
01:00:05,800 --> 01:00:07,559
me to walk away from. But
if I replaced the door, I can

827
01:00:07,599 --> 01:00:10,760
go. I did that, right, if I if I fixed a wall,

828
01:00:10,880 --> 01:00:14,920
I did that. Somebody put you
know, somebody put the other boy's

829
01:00:14,960 --> 01:00:17,239
head through the drywall. Ye,
right, I did that. Toyota did

830
01:00:17,239 --> 01:00:21,039
a commercial about that because a lot
of people are Toyotas are An American cars.

831
01:00:21,079 --> 01:00:23,320
So they show this father and son
pulling up in a Toyota Tundra,

832
01:00:23,440 --> 01:00:27,800
and they show another father and son
sitting on the porch of a house and

833
01:00:28,360 --> 01:00:30,760
the guys who pull up on the
tundra. Goot. So then you see

834
01:00:30,800 --> 01:00:32,639
that house, I built that house, and the guys on the porch go,

835
01:00:32,760 --> 01:00:36,119
hey, son, you see that
truck. I built that truck.

836
01:00:36,280 --> 01:00:37,599
Yeah, you know. And that's
something that you could always, you know,

837
01:00:37,719 --> 01:00:39,800
look at and say, I did
that. Yeah, there is that

838
01:00:39,960 --> 01:00:44,000
that I did that. You give
a lot of tips on your on your

839
01:00:44,079 --> 01:00:47,599
own page, and I picked one
up that I'd had no idea about.

840
01:00:47,719 --> 01:00:51,920
Me. I love this and I
think most people, I don't know how

841
01:00:51,960 --> 01:00:54,960
many people know about it. The
paint tip that it's too which, the

842
01:00:55,039 --> 01:01:01,239
paint tip on getting people who return
paint you can buy cheaper. That was

843
01:01:01,280 --> 01:01:04,960
all my mom. I mean,
we didn't I wouldn't say we had like

844
01:01:05,599 --> 01:01:07,119
extensive money of just like, oh, buy whatever you want. And I

845
01:01:07,159 --> 01:01:10,440
don't think really people, that's a
whole different world. But anyway, so

846
01:01:10,559 --> 01:01:13,639
we would go to the paint store
and that was the whole thing. You

847
01:01:13,800 --> 01:01:17,400
can't you had to look for something
that was more cost effective, right,

848
01:01:17,440 --> 01:01:21,400
but it would do the same job. Okay. So and that is a

849
01:01:21,480 --> 01:01:23,360
really big creative part two of me
is that if there was a pink there,

850
01:01:23,519 --> 01:01:25,880
then I had to figure out what
to do with the pink as opposed

851
01:01:25,920 --> 01:01:29,719
to going in and being like I
want to go buy blue, right,

852
01:01:29,800 --> 01:01:31,960
So it actually opens up like a
pretty cool world. But yeah, I

853
01:01:32,039 --> 01:01:37,119
mean, so people return paints and
they can't sell. I could say it

854
01:01:37,239 --> 01:01:40,280
was mixed, it was the right
tint that they wanted or whatever. So

855
01:01:40,440 --> 01:01:45,639
now it's back, but it's on
an I just asked them. But there's

856
01:01:45,639 --> 01:01:47,559
always a shelf behind the paint people
like in the corner yea, like the

857
01:01:47,639 --> 01:01:51,880
McDonald's Hinden menu. Yeah, it's
so great because it's it's not just like

858
01:01:51,960 --> 01:01:55,880
paint, it's deck stain yea.
And it maybe like an expensive paint five

859
01:01:55,960 --> 01:02:00,760
dollars for galan when it's normally thirty
five. Yeah, and it's funny when

860
01:02:00,800 --> 01:02:02,960
so when we the business I started
nailed it. We have colors of paint

861
01:02:04,000 --> 01:02:06,320
that we offer people and that's a
big part of it, like people being

862
01:02:06,320 --> 01:02:08,880
able to pick their paint. And
there was a recycling center that people would

863
01:02:08,920 --> 01:02:12,119
bring paint too, because you can't
technically throw it out. It's got to

864
01:02:12,119 --> 01:02:14,920
be dispersed of the right way.
And we would go there and get the

865
01:02:15,039 --> 01:02:17,480
paint that people were throwing away and
buy those five you know, those big

866
01:02:17,519 --> 01:02:22,239
gallon, five gallon drums and we
would dump everything in and stir until we

867
01:02:22,280 --> 01:02:24,119
got a cool color because there would
only be like a half a can of

868
01:02:24,199 --> 01:02:28,400
each thing or whatever. Just jump
it all together until you got this cool

869
01:02:28,440 --> 01:02:30,880
shade of color. And we ended
up making the color that all of our

870
01:02:30,920 --> 01:02:34,280
studios across the country use. So
from doing hang on a second and that

871
01:02:34,360 --> 01:02:40,079
crazy Wait a second. Yeah,
so Nailed at DY Studios. Yeah,

872
01:02:40,440 --> 01:02:44,920
are all over the country franchised.
Yea, we have tent twenty one locations

873
01:02:44,960 --> 01:02:49,800
across the country. Okay, so
you're using the pronoun we Yeah, so

874
01:02:50,000 --> 01:02:52,760
you started it. I found it
it. Yeah, you founded it.

875
01:02:52,239 --> 01:02:57,480
So that whole thing that I'm seeing. You're not a franchise owner, you're

876
01:02:57,599 --> 01:03:02,159
the company owner. It's it's ship
croc. Oh. Here's the coolest part

877
01:03:02,159 --> 01:03:07,000
about this though, this share part
of that story. You could spend fifty

878
01:03:07,119 --> 01:03:12,559
five dollars on paint, not matter. Success is not just money, Yes,

879
01:03:13,840 --> 01:03:15,559
what success? You know what that
is? That's freedom? Yeah,

880
01:03:15,599 --> 01:03:20,039
I look at money as freedom.
Yeah, that's what three o'clock on a

881
01:03:20,119 --> 01:03:22,519
Tuesday. Well, no, but
it's freedom to do whatever you want to

882
01:03:22,599 --> 01:03:29,440
do without any real restrictions behind you. If this is wanting fantastic Because if

883
01:03:29,599 --> 01:03:31,800
I looked up the d I y, I didn't know that you were the

884
01:03:31,960 --> 01:03:36,280
founder. I thought before it was
even a thing. So you want to

885
01:03:36,320 --> 01:03:40,440
know what an asshole I am?
In my head? I went in my

886
01:03:40,519 --> 01:03:46,079
head, I went, oh,
so she's she's not founder that, she's

887
01:03:46,480 --> 01:03:51,519
she's got a franchise. She's got
the Charlotte franchise. No, I was

888
01:03:51,599 --> 01:03:54,159
fucking wrong. I love being wrong. But I will say even if I

889
01:03:54,280 --> 01:03:58,480
was just what I knew kind of
but I but I will say, like,

890
01:03:58,519 --> 01:04:00,320
even if I just was a franchise
own or that is just as I

891
01:04:00,360 --> 01:04:03,559
mean, I'm they're doing just well, Yeah, they got to hustle to

892
01:04:03,639 --> 01:04:06,199
make it work. I'm not denying
that, for sure, I'm not denying

893
01:04:06,239 --> 01:04:10,480
that. But but to come up
with the concept that somebody says, hey,

894
01:04:10,519 --> 01:04:14,239
man, I can make that work
in my city or my town I

895
01:04:14,639 --> 01:04:19,000
want in I mean that whole what
a fantastic idea it was done. Where

896
01:04:19,039 --> 01:04:23,400
did the business side of this come
from? I suck at business, and

897
01:04:23,599 --> 01:04:26,280
oddly enough, I sucked at art
class in high school. So really going

898
01:04:26,360 --> 01:04:29,639
like, if you look at this
on paper, I am like totally not

899
01:04:29,679 --> 01:04:31,320
supposed to be here. That's usually
how it goes, right, Like,

900
01:04:32,599 --> 01:04:35,239
Yeah, my art teacher was always
like, you don't know what you're doing.

901
01:04:35,320 --> 01:04:41,599
I'm like, hold my beer.
She wasn't fair for that's why we

902
01:04:41,599 --> 01:04:45,079
should call her. Should you have
you gone and sent her any No,

903
01:04:45,239 --> 01:04:47,800
you know we do. We got
to go take a crap on her law.

904
01:04:48,400 --> 01:04:50,719
Get that one from Hill. She's
not even alive. With all due

905
01:04:50,760 --> 01:04:54,079
respect, she was pretty old when
I was there. Well, the old

906
01:04:54,119 --> 01:04:59,760
ones never die die. Listen.
Maybe if she told me I was great,

907
01:04:59,800 --> 01:05:01,519
I would't have found what I have
so right, right? But right?

908
01:05:01,880 --> 01:05:04,199
Was that a motivating factory? I
think? For real? I mean

909
01:05:04,519 --> 01:05:08,840
I only because you knew you completely
honest. I think a lot of my

910
01:05:08,960 --> 01:05:12,280
creativity, um like, where I
had that outlet to do those things?

911
01:05:12,440 --> 01:05:15,079
Yeah, I was not popular,
I was overweight. I was I just

912
01:05:15,360 --> 01:05:17,559
was very lonely, you know.
I didn't have like this group of people

913
01:05:17,559 --> 01:05:21,519
always being like over Wait were you
like one no? Like two hundred two

914
01:05:21,559 --> 01:05:24,320
hundred? Really? Yeah, I'll
show you a picture when we're on.

915
01:05:25,000 --> 01:05:27,960
And that's not my story. Don't
don't judge that. Um but no,

916
01:05:28,119 --> 01:05:31,679
but point is I had Yeah,
because I need some help losing her fridge.

917
01:05:33,239 --> 01:05:35,599
She painted it blue and just kept
out of it. I ate would

918
01:05:35,679 --> 01:05:40,000
for she went to McDonald's up here. They had to call Wendy's for back

919
01:05:40,079 --> 01:05:46,599
up, so, you know,
like when you're a and I laughed so

920
01:05:46,719 --> 01:05:49,559
hard in front of I got so
I got yelled at a little bit,

921
01:05:49,559 --> 01:05:54,760
but it was fun. Who who's
yelling? There was was back on the

922
01:05:54,880 --> 01:05:57,519
radio and there was a client.
She came in. She was talking about

923
01:05:57,519 --> 01:06:00,199
how much weight she lost. I
lost all this weight, baba, and

924
01:06:00,519 --> 01:06:03,679
and somebody in who I did the
show with. It was just fawning,

925
01:06:03,800 --> 01:06:08,239
right, being so nice and talking
all this stuff. I can't believe that.

926
01:06:08,440 --> 01:06:11,639
I can't believe, like you,
it's hard to believe that she weighed

927
01:06:11,639 --> 01:06:14,880
two hundred pounds all right, yeah
yeah, okay, so all right,

928
01:06:14,920 --> 01:06:21,280
one eighty either way, but all
that stuff. And she's going and he's

929
01:06:21,320 --> 01:06:24,159
going on and on and on.
She goes, oh my god, well

930
01:06:24,199 --> 01:06:26,280
my vice was McDonald's, blah blah, and I go, yeah, you

931
01:06:26,320 --> 01:06:28,840
know what. She went to McDonald
so often they had to called Wendy's for

932
01:06:28,880 --> 01:06:33,320
backups, and ever, well,
no, she laughed. Silence from the

933
01:06:33,360 --> 01:06:35,679
other guy. I'm doing the radio
show with because she was a client.

934
01:06:36,320 --> 01:06:40,559
He's like, there goes that deal. I knew it would be fine.

935
01:06:41,880 --> 01:06:45,880
Yeah exactly. Some people just don't
know they're up. Yeah right, please.

936
01:06:45,199 --> 01:06:47,880
You can make all the fat jokes
you want, go at, yeah,

937
01:06:47,880 --> 01:06:53,599
but I find it hurts. I
did this with my arms. I

938
01:06:53,760 --> 01:06:56,840
was you know, yeah, all
right, you were lonely, and you

939
01:06:56,920 --> 01:06:59,920
think of that. I mean,
I'll tell you I have a theory.

940
01:07:00,119 --> 01:07:01,400
Okay, you're ready for ye,
because I don't want that to be missing.

941
01:07:01,559 --> 01:07:03,480
No, no, no, no
no, I think that what you're

942
01:07:03,480 --> 01:07:08,360
saying is it just gave you time, since there was nobody around, no

943
01:07:08,440 --> 01:07:11,880
distractions, you immerse yourself in art, and look what it's paid off.

944
01:07:12,039 --> 01:07:15,440
Yeah, right, okay. I
always think like the great guitarist that we

945
01:07:15,559 --> 01:07:17,239
had, it was some nerd who
sat up in his room and played over

946
01:07:17,280 --> 01:07:20,199
and over and over and that is
gone. Yeah, and it's gonna go

947
01:07:20,239 --> 01:07:23,920
away. And the reason it's going
to go away is this right here.

948
01:07:24,000 --> 01:07:27,199
Yeah. They always have someone there
that's right. Yeah, and porn is

949
01:07:27,280 --> 01:07:33,199
right at your fingertips. Yeah,
I agree. I'most well, never will

950
01:07:33,280 --> 01:07:36,639
never have. Yeah, A great
guitarist agains over Yeah, and you know

951
01:07:36,719 --> 01:07:40,480
their and their minds turn off in
that moment, right, Like I don't

952
01:07:40,519 --> 01:07:43,639
have a thought and I don't even
the world could be I don't even care.

953
01:07:43,800 --> 01:07:45,360
My mind is so on what I'm
working on. Yeah, And I

954
01:07:45,440 --> 01:07:49,039
think I think that was kind of
also like a piece of like what a

955
01:07:49,360 --> 01:07:53,159
what a great thing that I had
the ability to just tune out the world

956
01:07:53,239 --> 01:07:56,719
that I didn't like anyway. Yeah, I mean really like it was kind

957
01:07:56,760 --> 01:07:58,960
of like where where is my thing? What is my thing? When I'm

958
01:07:59,039 --> 01:08:00,280
younger? And yeah, you know
we all went through that of well where

959
01:08:00,320 --> 01:08:03,039
did the big personality come from?
And stuff? Then probably because I had

960
01:08:03,280 --> 01:08:05,360
people, you know, I had
to be. That was the way I

961
01:08:05,440 --> 01:08:10,400
made up for people to like me
too, right, Like it's so funny.

962
01:08:10,400 --> 01:08:12,079
I talk to people about this all
the time, and I'm like,

963
01:08:12,119 --> 01:08:15,320
you know, the funny people or
the people that have a lot of you

964
01:08:15,360 --> 01:08:17,720
know whatever, it's usually someone that
had to make up for something else because

965
01:08:17,760 --> 01:08:21,640
people don't give them the chance.
Like people didn't talk to me for the

966
01:08:21,720 --> 01:08:25,239
most part, right, you know, it's always certainly not all right.

967
01:08:25,319 --> 01:08:27,760
Let me ask you this, Yeah, you go back. Have you gone

968
01:08:27,760 --> 01:08:30,760
to any reunions? Yes, we
had one net on mccullinaries, Like five

969
01:08:30,840 --> 01:08:33,079
years ago, do you ever see
like super awkward one of the hot chicks?

970
01:08:33,279 --> 01:08:40,439
Yeah, yeah, she's doing the
MLN marketing now not just idn't it

971
01:08:40,600 --> 01:08:45,560
was? It was so, but
what do you see the hot chick?

972
01:08:45,840 --> 01:08:48,640
Yeah? And like there's a shelf
life on the hot chick. You know,

973
01:08:48,800 --> 01:08:55,960
when you're fourteen to eighteen and everybody's
giving you everything, let me go,

974
01:08:56,079 --> 01:08:59,439
like let's go fourteen to thirty five, fourteen to forty, I don't

975
01:08:59,479 --> 01:09:00,560
care. And then all of a
sudden it starts to go down the hill

976
01:09:00,600 --> 01:09:03,359
and now you're not getting the as
as much intention as you did, and

977
01:09:03,720 --> 01:09:08,800
it goes shitty, I mean,
and that's where you get the Tawny Contains,

978
01:09:09,039 --> 01:09:13,520
right. Tawny Contain was strikingly beautiful, and then before she died and

979
01:09:13,640 --> 01:09:15,159
she turned into the catwoman, but
all the fucking shit she did to her

980
01:09:15,199 --> 01:09:18,680
face to try to capture that pat
just let it go, baby. The

981
01:09:18,760 --> 01:09:23,000
hot tears are over people like you
for you. You know what though,

982
01:09:23,039 --> 01:09:26,000
The best part that comes out of
that, and you'll you'll probably because you

983
01:09:26,119 --> 01:09:28,840
keep saying that you're overright, which
you're not. But anyway, they the

984
01:09:29,000 --> 01:09:32,760
best part about it yet told me
I'm overweighted. That's never wrong. Told

985
01:09:32,800 --> 01:09:35,239
you they are, Wait, they're
wrong a little bit. They are all

986
01:09:35,319 --> 01:09:40,680
ticket that. Later it made me
like, really have empathy that I don't

987
01:09:40,720 --> 01:09:43,399
think I would have learned, or
I love people in a Yeah. And

988
01:09:43,680 --> 01:09:45,840
because I love people so deeply,
I was able to create a business that

989
01:09:46,039 --> 01:09:49,800
really surrounds the idea that I'm making
people feel better. So if I like

990
01:09:50,000 --> 01:09:53,920
it's crazy, yeah, well you
do really well. You realize that like

991
01:09:54,039 --> 01:09:56,800
the coolest people, the people who've
changed our lives, we're all nerves.

992
01:09:56,840 --> 01:09:59,720
They were all geeks. They all
have stories that even some traumatic story.

993
01:10:00,079 --> 01:10:01,359
Yeah, but that's the point,
like, like there's people you wouldn't hang

994
01:10:01,399 --> 01:10:04,640
out with necessarily, Like Jerry Seinfeld
is a great example of Yeah, you

995
01:10:04,680 --> 01:10:06,920
know, I feel like he's weird. He's weird. Yes, Yeah.

996
01:10:08,000 --> 01:10:11,239
We had a We had a teacher
in Fairport, mister Hargrave, I think

997
01:10:11,279 --> 01:10:13,680
his name was, You might know
him. He would always tell people it's

998
01:10:13,680 --> 01:10:15,159
not weird, it's different. It's
not it's different. He would say that

999
01:10:15,239 --> 01:10:17,960
every single day to us. And
I remember always being like that is so

1000
01:10:18,119 --> 01:10:20,600
cool. Yes, And I always
still to this day, I'm like it's

1001
01:10:20,640 --> 01:10:25,319
not weird, it's just different.
Words are so powerful. Yeah, like

1002
01:10:25,439 --> 01:10:27,720
if if you change it. Because
I was talking to somebody today and they

1003
01:10:27,760 --> 01:10:30,079
go discipline and I said, you
know, that's a word that I think

1004
01:10:30,159 --> 01:10:33,199
most people hear that and they make
a face like discipline, right, And

1005
01:10:33,279 --> 01:10:35,720
he goes, well, what would
you say? And I would say instead

1006
01:10:35,760 --> 01:10:39,279
of saying I have to go to
the gym, I need the discipline to

1007
01:10:39,359 --> 01:10:42,560
eat, well, I get to
I get to I get to go to

1008
01:10:42,640 --> 01:10:44,680
the gym today, I get to
get to you know what I'm saying.

1009
01:10:44,800 --> 01:10:47,000
Oh yeah, but it changes your
mindset and you start going to fuck.

1010
01:10:47,119 --> 01:10:49,359
Yeah, man, I can do
this. I know. I have my

1011
01:10:49,439 --> 01:10:54,520
phone set up with affirmation boxes,
so like all my shopping apps, the

1012
01:10:54,720 --> 01:10:59,319
box says, um, I value
money or I am lucky to shop or

1013
01:10:59,399 --> 01:11:02,520
like you know, like I change
things. It's so that's exactly the point

1014
01:11:02,680 --> 01:11:05,840
is, Like, it's so crazy
how people don't realize what they're surrounding themselves

1015
01:11:05,920 --> 01:11:10,239
with and hearing and saying yes,
and what you're saying out like it's coming.

1016
01:11:10,520 --> 01:11:12,840
Yeah, you got to be mindful
of those words. Well, yeah,

1017
01:11:12,920 --> 01:11:15,640
I'm a big I'm a big yeah, and I do a lot of

1018
01:11:15,800 --> 01:11:19,960
weird shit, different different ship.
Yeah. Actually I don't know if I

1019
01:11:20,000 --> 01:11:25,560
should tell this story in front of
Why Shannon or not. Well, now

1020
01:11:25,640 --> 01:11:29,279
you have to, okay, because
there's there's a lot of things. There's

1021
01:11:29,319 --> 01:11:30,199
more things I want to talk to
you about. Yeah, I want to

1022
01:11:30,239 --> 01:11:35,199
talk about kind of what happens at
a one of these nailed to TIY Studios

1023
01:11:35,239 --> 01:11:39,000
because I did see some pictures of
things and it looks like you could have

1024
01:11:39,119 --> 01:11:43,319
things everything from a kid's birthday party
all right, where you're making crafts to

1025
01:11:43,880 --> 01:11:47,840
uh, did you do like couples
things, date not kin society come back?

1026
01:11:48,000 --> 01:11:55,640
Yeah, we do a swingers club, we do everything. Great,

1027
01:11:55,800 --> 01:11:58,720
what a great concept. And then
are there other things you partner with?

1028
01:11:59,439 --> 01:12:01,039
I'd like to if you don't mind, can we also talk about your other

1029
01:12:01,119 --> 01:12:04,399
half? Yeah? Of course?
Okay, Yeah, But there was something

1030
01:12:04,479 --> 01:12:10,239
that came up on the show yesterday
and then I had a moment today.

1031
01:12:10,960 --> 01:12:13,960
Oh, oh, Danny, did
I have a fucking moment today? Oh?

1032
01:12:15,159 --> 01:12:18,159
Did I have a moment today?
Started my day moments with Morna.

1033
01:12:18,239 --> 01:12:21,960
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1077
01:15:21,760 --> 01:15:25,800
into brews, right, you get
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1078
01:15:25,920 --> 01:15:29,239
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1080
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1081
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1083
01:15:43,880 --> 01:15:46,479
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1084
01:15:46,560 --> 01:15:49,720
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1085
01:16:05,199 --> 01:16:13,680
I got a woman. She's wildness
run. She likes to lay naked and

1086
01:16:13,840 --> 01:16:19,680
because the pomp. This is one
song sis a prison sets it on.

1087
01:16:23,119 --> 01:16:29,920
It's called Drunken Poet Stream till Wild. This is like exactly the kind of

1088
01:16:29,960 --> 01:16:35,439
shit I love when I heard of
the other bag. He's Carlos club a

1089
01:16:35,640 --> 01:16:45,199
cigarette's papers and down and loves where
She laughs one minute about to shape back,

1090
01:16:47,399 --> 01:16:55,920
says she be the sinner honey out
being set on a stream. I

1091
01:16:56,279 --> 01:17:08,359
only gave me some mist she breads
me. But I love that song.

1092
01:17:08,760 --> 01:17:11,920
I heard it like just the other
day and I haven't stopped listening. I

1093
01:17:12,279 --> 01:17:15,920
mused to listen to repeat fifty times. Country music is so much humor to

1094
01:17:15,000 --> 01:17:16,880
it. See, and I don't
even think of it as country. To

1095
01:17:17,000 --> 01:17:21,159
me, that's like Americana blue grass. Yeah, I guess, I mean,

1096
01:17:21,239 --> 01:17:24,479
I just I just love that.
To me, it's more like the

1097
01:17:24,560 --> 01:17:30,760
singer songwriter or so in love.
Wait, that's you pure, that's your

1098
01:17:30,840 --> 01:17:33,920
senior pictures. Oh wow, this
was not supposed to go this direction.

1099
01:17:34,159 --> 01:17:38,159
I thought you were like fourteen in
that picture. That that's your senior picture.

1100
01:17:38,680 --> 01:17:45,039
Wow. Okay, man, congratulations
graduating man. All right, you

1101
01:17:45,119 --> 01:17:48,279
ready, I'm gonna give you one. That's very embarrassing story, very embarrassing.

1102
01:17:48,560 --> 01:17:54,079
We have been talking This is bad
because we have been talking about we

1103
01:17:54,199 --> 01:17:58,720
got word that in Hilton. Sobody
was walking their dog and yep, and

1104
01:17:58,800 --> 01:18:00,880
they let them ship and then lady
came back and she ship right, Okay,

1105
01:18:01,079 --> 01:18:05,600
shit walker. So then I said, I think people defecating or going

1106
01:18:05,600 --> 01:18:09,760
to the bathroom outside. He's becoming
a bigger and bigger deal. And I

1107
01:18:09,840 --> 01:18:12,920
said, I see more and more
news stories about it. And yesterday I

1108
01:18:13,000 --> 01:18:15,600
pulled something from around the country and
there was a sheriff who sat down and

1109
01:18:15,760 --> 01:18:20,399
said, if you know this woman, she had climbed through onto somebody's property

1110
01:18:20,439 --> 01:18:24,359
and squatted in the bushes, And
he said, we want to put her

1111
01:18:24,399 --> 01:18:28,279
in jail. Remember when we played
this whole thing and called craft Snappers,

1112
01:18:28,880 --> 01:18:31,399
you could be eligible for cash rewards. Sometimes though, like let's say you

1113
01:18:31,479 --> 01:18:35,039
had irritable bow syndrome or something,
it could be bad. So I've been

1114
01:18:35,119 --> 01:18:38,680
doing this thing lately where I get
up in the morning and I do all

1115
01:18:38,760 --> 01:18:41,159
this kind of weird shit and then
I go for like a mile, different

1116
01:18:42,760 --> 01:18:46,680
different shit, and I go for
a mile walk. And today I'm coming

1117
01:18:46,760 --> 01:18:50,159
back and my stomach and I go, Now, I have this bad habit.

1118
01:18:50,640 --> 01:18:55,600
Here's my bad habit lately. A
bad habit is I'll leave here and

1119
01:18:55,720 --> 01:18:59,239
I go home, and I got
to edit up the podcast, and I'm

1120
01:18:59,359 --> 01:19:03,159
usually tired, and I've been starting
my day usually at about quarter to six

1121
01:19:03,239 --> 01:19:06,199
in the morning. I'll get up
and I'm not getting to bed until about

1122
01:19:06,199 --> 01:19:12,239
midnight, saying, And today I
stayed. I slept till six thirty.

1123
01:19:12,439 --> 01:19:15,479
But I ate like a bunch of
cheese last night because I'm hungry right and

1124
01:19:15,600 --> 01:19:20,399
I'm just shoving chatting. I'm shoving
it in my face. Crackers. I

1125
01:19:20,439 --> 01:19:23,720
got triskets, or as I say, if you buy them from all these

1126
01:19:23,800 --> 01:19:27,279
friskets. A friend of mine says
that right, because they're not exactly there.

1127
01:19:27,600 --> 01:19:30,880
And so I'm eating all this shit
and I'm I'm looking around, I'm

1128
01:19:30,960 --> 01:19:33,159
hunting and I had so I do
all this and then I'm on the walk

1129
01:19:33,279 --> 01:19:35,760
and my stomach and I'm like,
oh. And at one point I had

1130
01:19:35,800 --> 01:19:41,479
to stop moving. I just had
to literally stopped moving. Yeah, and

1131
01:19:41,640 --> 01:19:44,520
I but the pain was so bad. I'm like, I don't know what

1132
01:19:44,600 --> 01:19:47,279
I'm gonna do here. And I'm
actually scouting spots where I could go in

1133
01:19:47,359 --> 01:19:50,960
the woods just in case. So
now I figured, oh, I can

1134
01:19:51,039 --> 01:19:56,479
make it back. And I get
back. I opened my door, I

1135
01:19:56,560 --> 01:19:59,640
got to climb up the stairs,
and I'm like, I had to stop

1136
01:19:59,680 --> 01:20:02,880
at the landing. I go,
oh boy, So I go up.

1137
01:20:03,079 --> 01:20:08,439
I throw my keys on the counter. I run into the bathroom and I

1138
01:20:08,880 --> 01:20:13,880
get ready to go and I squatt
that too late. Started No, not

1139
01:20:14,000 --> 01:20:18,880
even I didn't charge. I full
on shit about three inches in front of

1140
01:20:18,880 --> 01:20:23,199
the toilet, and there was nothing
I can do. And I turned around.

1141
01:20:23,239 --> 01:20:25,199
Now I grew up. You're in
Wayne, County. I grew up

1142
01:20:25,239 --> 01:20:28,920
in a very rural area of New
York State. Yeah, so there were

1143
01:20:29,039 --> 01:20:31,399
lots. I worked on farms as
a kid and stuff. We used to

1144
01:20:31,520 --> 01:20:35,399
take the dried up cowshit that like
the big and we used to fling into

1145
01:20:35,520 --> 01:20:39,279
each other like fresh fees. I
remember I hit my friend in the back

1146
01:20:39,319 --> 01:20:44,760
of bad just shattered. It was
like shit, it was like it was

1147
01:20:44,960 --> 01:20:47,399
terrible. But I looked down and
I go, oh my god, it

1148
01:20:47,520 --> 01:20:51,640
looks like a cow just ship on
the tile floor the bathroom. I had

1149
01:20:51,680 --> 01:20:55,760
to scoop it up. I'm bleaching
in, I'm clean. I felt like

1150
01:20:55,800 --> 01:20:58,359
I could never get a clean I
was so embarrassed that I told it on

1151
01:20:58,399 --> 01:21:00,960
the podcast. But I go,
it's sucking karma for making fun all these

1152
01:21:01,000 --> 01:21:06,119
people shitting outside. Maybe she just
had to maybe maybe and I get that

1153
01:21:06,520 --> 01:21:12,920
sender to apologize and he and that
wasn't the point, and that became her,

1154
01:21:13,439 --> 01:21:15,119
became who she was. Anybody ever
had a problem like that where you

1155
01:21:15,319 --> 01:21:18,840
just didn't make it. I'm definitely
not going to share that, all right,

1156
01:21:18,920 --> 01:21:21,840
because I go and find that brasteen
concerence story, which I've told a

1157
01:21:21,920 --> 01:21:25,239
couple of times, but I just
made it. It was like the exon

1158
01:21:25,359 --> 01:21:30,880
Valdez oil spill or BP. Literally, I was like, oh my god,

1159
01:21:30,960 --> 01:21:33,520
I'm fucking becoming an old man.
I said something to go, No,

1160
01:21:34,079 --> 01:21:38,560
it's just that, Yeah, you
gotta stop eating it. Nice Jesus

1161
01:21:38,640 --> 01:21:40,840
Christ. The other thing, too, is it you put on a clinic

1162
01:21:40,920 --> 01:21:43,840
and if you take if you take
like meta musil or fasting salts, if

1163
01:21:43,880 --> 01:21:46,079
you if you take too much fasting
salt, which is actually like the recommended

1164
01:21:46,119 --> 01:21:49,439
dosage, it will lead you to
more death. So you gotta be like,

1165
01:21:49,560 --> 01:21:51,760
you know, if you're gonna do
this, you gotta pace yourself because

1166
01:21:51,760 --> 01:21:54,920
you might be at a meeting,
like where will you be when you're locking

1167
01:21:55,000 --> 01:21:57,920
it starts working? Well, it's
a lot like that. You know,

1168
01:21:57,960 --> 01:22:02,439
you're on four ninety ell of a
sudden, oh's all right. That should

1169
01:22:02,479 --> 01:22:05,720
makeup for making fun of your picture. You know, I want you to

1170
01:22:05,760 --> 01:22:10,880
make fun of it. That girl's
gone okay. So I want to know

1171
01:22:10,960 --> 01:22:16,079
about how you franchise the nailed it
they studios or how that even becomes an

1172
01:22:16,119 --> 01:22:19,399
idea where you say, hey,
it works here, well I wouldn't have

1173
01:22:19,399 --> 01:22:23,760
worked somewhere else. Yeah, Well, I mean the business started, it

1174
01:22:23,920 --> 01:22:26,720
was small it was. It was
literally just an idea. I was creating

1175
01:22:26,800 --> 01:22:29,560
like wood signs for people, like
they would buy them off my porch,

1176
01:22:29,720 --> 01:22:31,199
you know, like the marketplace at
the beginning of two thousands. Yeah,

1177
01:22:31,279 --> 01:22:34,279
and at the time, people were
asking, oh, I want more,

1178
01:22:34,319 --> 01:22:36,479
I want more. And then this
one lady was like, hey, can

1179
01:22:36,560 --> 01:22:40,359
you teach the whole church how to
do this stuff? And I was like

1180
01:22:40,399 --> 01:22:42,920
the whole church, Okay, I'll
pack up, I'll figure it out.

1181
01:22:43,239 --> 01:22:45,279
And I went there and I taught, like I think there was like twenty

1182
01:22:45,319 --> 01:22:48,119
five women, and I came pretty
good. Yeah. Yeah, I mean

1183
01:22:48,159 --> 01:22:50,800
there was a lot of money back
at the beginning when I didn't have a

1184
01:22:50,880 --> 01:22:55,439
job. So I came home from
that night and it wasn't about like what

1185
01:22:55,560 --> 01:22:58,239
we did, it was about how
they felt. Yeah. So I sat

1186
01:22:58,279 --> 01:23:00,079
there and I like sat in that
emotion of like Okay, that felt good

1187
01:23:00,119 --> 01:23:03,800
because I made them feel good,
and it was like pure out of my

1188
01:23:03,960 --> 01:23:06,800
heart, like yeah, oh,
I was like I love that feeling.

1189
01:23:08,239 --> 01:23:11,760
I've got a passion that makes other
people feel happy. You're speaking to something

1190
01:23:11,840 --> 01:23:15,439
that I'm a big believer in in
that when you're going to do something that

1191
01:23:15,600 --> 01:23:17,560
has to become a successful business for
you. You can't do it about the

1192
01:23:17,640 --> 01:23:20,640
money because if you do it about
the money, it will fail. Yeah,

1193
01:23:20,680 --> 01:23:25,119
it just does. Yeah. You
know, talk to anybody who's an

1194
01:23:25,279 --> 01:23:30,239
investment capitalist. I think they get
a fourteen percent return on their money.

1195
01:23:30,399 --> 01:23:32,119
Yeah, eighty six percent of that
ship fails. Yeah, yeah, I

1196
01:23:32,640 --> 01:23:35,720
agree. I mean it's just more
of like um so that that means just

1197
01:23:35,800 --> 01:23:40,399
sit where you're going. Yeah yeah
yeah. I was like, how do

1198
01:23:40,479 --> 01:23:42,560
I make this happen more? It
was like a drug at that point,

1199
01:23:42,760 --> 01:23:46,960
and from church and another from church, I was like, but I'm never

1200
01:23:47,039 --> 01:23:50,239
going back to church, but I
will do this again. So they're all

1201
01:23:50,279 --> 01:23:54,560
talking to tongues about their projects,
right. No, they were such a

1202
01:23:54,600 --> 01:23:57,079
great group. But I'm still so
close to them because they're always still to

1203
01:23:57,199 --> 01:24:00,800
me, like the people that inspired
what I felt that night. But by

1204
01:24:00,840 --> 01:24:02,600
the morning time I had bought the
website, I mean I did. My

1205
01:24:02,760 --> 01:24:05,000
friend came over, Christie, she's
been my friend since I was five,

1206
01:24:05,039 --> 01:24:09,279
went to Fairport and we were we
were drinking wine and she like turns to

1207
01:24:09,319 --> 01:24:11,239
me and she's like, what would
you call it? I was like,

1208
01:24:11,319 --> 01:24:13,439
I don't know. And we were
going back and forth and she just like

1209
01:24:13,640 --> 01:24:15,880
stopped and like threw the bottle and
was like nailed it. Wow, And

1210
01:24:15,960 --> 01:24:17,399
that was it, and I was
like, you know, we got on

1211
01:24:17,479 --> 01:24:19,760
go daddy. We bought the website, and I was like, we're going

1212
01:24:19,800 --> 01:24:21,920
to do something with this. I
just don't know what, but I knew.

1213
01:24:21,920 --> 01:24:25,399
I couldn't sleep until I figured it
out. Is your friend, Stephanie,

1214
01:24:25,439 --> 01:24:31,319
I no, I know. That's
how you are when you're like giving

1215
01:24:31,359 --> 01:24:35,439
another and creative, you know,
and you've got this heart, like all

1216
01:24:35,479 --> 01:24:39,560
of this trifecta of like passion came
in and I was like, whoa,

1217
01:24:39,960 --> 01:24:43,560
So then how's it go from that? Well, and and everything starts.

1218
01:24:43,640 --> 01:24:45,359
That's what I always think is a
good story whatever you're well, not even

1219
01:24:45,359 --> 01:24:49,359
a good stre but everything starts in
somebody's head. Yeah, the microphone,

1220
01:24:49,359 --> 01:24:54,920
we're talking into the cameras, somebody's
head. So this starts in your head

1221
01:24:55,600 --> 01:24:59,520
and then it becomes you know,
uh see it, touch it, feel

1222
01:24:59,560 --> 01:25:04,520
it type thing, and then you
get other people to buy rights everyone.

1223
01:25:05,079 --> 01:25:08,399
No, it was like, um, it was the type of thing where

1224
01:25:08,399 --> 01:25:10,680
I knew it had to be something, but I didn't have it all figured

1225
01:25:10,720 --> 01:25:13,479
out. It wasn't like I was
like there's gonna be classes that are like

1226
01:25:13,600 --> 01:25:15,560
this, and we're gonna do this
piece of wood, and it just again,

1227
01:25:15,640 --> 01:25:18,720
it was just more about the idea
of what they felt and I was

1228
01:25:18,760 --> 01:25:20,399
like, we gotta, I gotta, I gotta do something with it.

1229
01:25:20,479 --> 01:25:23,880
So I think. I mean,
at the time, we had just moved

1230
01:25:23,920 --> 01:25:26,680
to Carolinas. We didn't have a
lot of money at the time because we

1231
01:25:26,760 --> 01:25:28,840
were still trying to save for a
house or whatever. And I was like,

1232
01:25:29,560 --> 01:25:31,680
can I can I just take like
like three hundred bucks and build a

1233
01:25:31,760 --> 01:25:35,439
table? And he was like I'm
on it because Dwayne is like really handy

1234
01:25:35,479 --> 01:25:39,319
too, my husband, so he's
like I'm I'm like, here's the table

1235
01:25:39,359 --> 01:25:42,560
I want. He builds this table
and it was that was the only thing

1236
01:25:42,600 --> 01:25:44,520
we had. We went on Craigslist, we got chairs, and then I

1237
01:25:44,600 --> 01:25:47,399
just started inviting people. I was
like, come to this classroom. And

1238
01:25:47,600 --> 01:25:50,600
also it was in the back of
a storage room of a boutique. So

1239
01:25:50,800 --> 01:25:54,600
the boutique that was like everyone went
there to go shopping. It was a

1240
01:25:54,640 --> 01:25:58,119
gift store and the way way back
was like her ship room. I was

1241
01:25:58,159 --> 01:26:00,479
like, I'm gonna rent this from
you. How do you feel about that?

1242
01:26:00,840 --> 01:26:02,880
Like I would like to borrow this
room. Okay, sure, go

1243
01:26:02,960 --> 01:26:08,199
ahead, and I invited women in
there and it just people just started coming.

1244
01:26:08,760 --> 01:26:11,720
So what year is this twenty fourteen? So this is twenty fourteen.

1245
01:26:11,760 --> 01:26:15,000
Nobody knew what what DIY studio Matt. People were like, what the hell

1246
01:26:15,000 --> 01:26:16,640
are we going to do here?
And it would catch on because it was

1247
01:26:16,880 --> 01:26:20,600
you know, they would go home
and talk about how they felt world oh

1248
01:26:20,800 --> 01:26:25,680
so great, and we were delivering
a feeling, yeah, and that was

1249
01:26:25,920 --> 01:26:30,359
more powerful than the product. I'm
telling you, there's something about the satisfaction

1250
01:26:30,439 --> 01:26:33,800
of doing it yourself. I really
believe that, like when you actually do

1251
01:26:34,119 --> 01:26:38,600
something, you know, and if
you can almost get your kid to feel

1252
01:26:38,640 --> 01:26:42,960
that way about school, there's some
satisfaction in the wind. Yeah, you

1253
01:26:43,039 --> 01:26:46,439
know, but that's elusive, that's
all one. But I do, I

1254
01:26:46,600 --> 01:26:49,840
really am. I'm a big believer
in, you know, the satisfaction of

1255
01:26:50,079 --> 01:26:55,279
doing it and enjoying kind of getting
there, whatever it is. But this

1256
01:26:55,520 --> 01:27:00,960
is fucking great. So you're like
one of the first When did things like

1257
01:27:00,199 --> 01:27:03,920
the art and wine start? You
see, these were people painting and wind.

1258
01:27:04,359 --> 01:27:09,119
Canvas was there first because canvas was
great. But what people were finding

1259
01:27:09,239 --> 01:27:12,119
was that they would do it once
and it felt great. Yeah, and

1260
01:27:12,199 --> 01:27:14,520
it was about the experience, but
they didn't know where to put that.

1261
01:27:14,960 --> 01:27:16,239
How many canvases could they hang?
How many can they hang up? What

1262
01:27:16,279 --> 01:27:18,880
are you gonna do with that?
But yeah, and like really again,

1263
01:27:19,039 --> 01:27:23,560
they were selling the experience and that's
who cares what they were making. You

1264
01:27:23,640 --> 01:27:27,960
can't do wine and power tools though, No, I mean no, no,

1265
01:27:28,439 --> 01:27:31,479
you should not do that. You
should I would never no, never

1266
01:27:33,039 --> 01:27:38,319
operate machine. Right, there's a
warning on that tool. Um. But

1267
01:27:38,439 --> 01:27:42,479
yeah, so does it go then
from DIOI where you're doing crafts or you're

1268
01:27:42,520 --> 01:27:50,039
doing signs to like this Ryobi.
Yeah, say Rio riobi one on one?

1269
01:27:50,640 --> 01:27:54,600
Were you doing that sort of classes
too? Um? Where you were

1270
01:27:54,600 --> 01:27:58,159
actually teaching people, Hey, if
you want to go home and you need

1271
01:27:58,239 --> 01:28:00,680
to, I don't know. You
got a door that's not hanging, right,

1272
01:28:00,720 --> 01:28:01,840
here's how we change the hinges or
here's what we do. No,

1273
01:28:02,000 --> 01:28:05,600
we weren't teaching people that, but
we were teaching people the empowerment to feel

1274
01:28:05,600 --> 01:28:10,399
confident to maybe do that next.
Right, So our studios use power tools.

1275
01:28:10,439 --> 01:28:13,479
Everybody that comes in uses real be
power tools. They're using drills,

1276
01:28:13,800 --> 01:28:17,239
nail guns, staple gun. So
how's everybody getting power tools? They didn't

1277
01:28:17,439 --> 01:28:21,840
we would buy it, Yeah,
we just ironically my friend's father who passed

1278
01:28:21,880 --> 01:28:26,159
away, gave me his sander,
and I that was the only thing I

1279
01:28:26,279 --> 01:28:29,039
had, Okay, So I started
with hammer and nails. Yeah, and

1280
01:28:29,159 --> 01:28:31,239
like just like AI right, like
shick out better. I could make things

1281
01:28:31,279 --> 01:28:34,880
happen quicker yea, and then slowly
but surely, you know, the tools

1282
01:28:34,960 --> 01:28:39,439
became the most important part because I
would say ninety percent of people that come

1283
01:28:39,479 --> 01:28:42,720
in have never held a power tool, and they certainly don't want to just

1284
01:28:42,840 --> 01:28:45,920
pick one up. There's no safe
space for them to pick that up and

1285
01:28:45,000 --> 01:28:47,279
try it, because they're not going
to go to you know, home depot

1286
01:28:47,319 --> 01:28:49,279
and just pick it up and try
it, right. But we're like that

1287
01:28:49,399 --> 01:28:51,800
safe space, like it's okay,
well if we got you, yeah,

1288
01:28:51,800 --> 01:28:56,000
we'll show you how to do that. So yeah, that again, that's

1289
01:28:56,039 --> 01:28:59,520
another part of that experience. Like, holy crap, I used a drill.

1290
01:29:00,399 --> 01:29:02,439
I'm fascinated that people have not.
But I'm also going to make it

1291
01:29:02,560 --> 01:29:05,079
my mission that everybody in this world's
going to figure it out, right,

1292
01:29:05,199 --> 01:29:09,920
like across the country, I want
people to be empowered by it because again

1293
01:29:10,000 --> 01:29:14,359
that feeling. Yeah there, so
this so this starts in the back of

1294
01:29:14,439 --> 01:29:17,079
somebody's storage, right, and then
how where does it go from there?

1295
01:29:17,399 --> 01:29:19,960
Three, I say, three or
four months into that, I met my

1296
01:29:20,039 --> 01:29:24,039
business partner and she had come into
class and she was like, this has

1297
01:29:24,119 --> 01:29:26,920
to be bigger. Now. I'm
not a business person. I know nothing

1298
01:29:27,039 --> 01:29:30,199
about quick I don't want to know
anything about the business, like business,

1299
01:29:30,239 --> 01:29:33,920
how to do that like and I
certainly also with me, didn't. I

1300
01:29:33,960 --> 01:29:38,399
couldn't. I didn't want to like
schedule people, and I would always miss

1301
01:29:38,399 --> 01:29:41,880
schedule people. And there was no
system, there was no operation. And

1302
01:29:42,359 --> 01:29:45,039
she was like, there's got to
be an operation for this, and we

1303
01:29:45,199 --> 01:29:47,920
just slowly kind of built it together
of like Okay, I'll create in my

1304
01:29:48,039 --> 01:29:51,800
mind and you make it operation run
and somehow that'll happen. And that's when

1305
01:29:51,800 --> 01:29:55,600
people started saying I want one.
I want one. I want one in

1306
01:29:55,680 --> 01:29:57,880
my town. So someone came and
said, I want one in my town.

1307
01:29:58,520 --> 01:30:01,359
Okay, well that sounds rate yea, how do you make that a

1308
01:30:01,439 --> 01:30:06,960
reality? I mean, franchising is
very difficult. You're trusting people with your

1309
01:30:08,319 --> 01:30:13,239
entire creative yeah idea, right,
and your best practices all that stuff.

1310
01:30:13,520 --> 01:30:16,359
You can't teach personality, you can't
teach compassion. All of the coffee is

1311
01:30:16,359 --> 01:30:19,359
all going to be made the same
way every single time. Is there a

1312
01:30:19,439 --> 01:30:23,520
mission statement like for the company?
Okay, so all of that has to

1313
01:30:23,560 --> 01:30:26,199
get down. Yeah, I mean
that it's it's a lot of trust that

1314
01:30:26,279 --> 01:30:30,039
we put, you know into store
studio owners, which they're all they're all

1315
01:30:30,119 --> 01:30:33,720
fascinating. They all have these crazy, great minds that are just all different

1316
01:30:33,800 --> 01:30:38,319
and that together makes up who we
are. And that's so did you go

1317
01:30:38,520 --> 01:30:42,359
to so when somebody? Where was
the first franchise? Um Fort Mill,

1318
01:30:42,479 --> 01:30:45,399
South Carolina? Okay? Oh,
South Carolina? Okay, so did you

1319
01:30:45,560 --> 01:30:48,560
go there? Uh? Well,
we own that one, I'm sorry,

1320
01:30:48,560 --> 01:30:53,159
the first franch So we opened the
first franchise as a corporation. That was

1321
01:30:53,199 --> 01:30:57,319
our to test the you know,
and then Mooresville, North Carolina, which

1322
01:30:57,359 --> 01:31:00,079
was like forty five minutes away,
was our next one. And that was

1323
01:31:00,399 --> 01:31:02,760
of course we visited, you know, we were there and we wanted to

1324
01:31:02,800 --> 01:31:05,960
see the build out, and you
know, you go through it and every

1325
01:31:06,000 --> 01:31:10,319
single buildout is different, like someone
might build the table a little different or

1326
01:31:10,439 --> 01:31:12,520
you know, like things like that
and you just kind of have to decide,

1327
01:31:12,560 --> 01:31:16,079
like what is most important that they're
doing, paint color, the things

1328
01:31:16,119 --> 01:31:19,399
we have trademarked, right, like
the dress, the colors, whatever.

1329
01:31:19,840 --> 01:31:23,800
And then after that it's like,
okay, now let's hope that they feel

1330
01:31:23,840 --> 01:31:28,199
that deep burning passion to deliver the
same experience. Yeah, and that's you

1331
01:31:28,319 --> 01:31:30,479
just go on that. So there's
twenty one around the country and they're all

1332
01:31:30,560 --> 01:31:33,960
seemed to be doing. Yeah,
well, Montanas are furthest out West,

1333
01:31:34,119 --> 01:31:36,720
and then Florida. There's a lot
of the Florida. Have you gone to

1334
01:31:36,840 --> 01:31:39,840
a lot of these? Most of
them? Most of them? Yep.

1335
01:31:39,920 --> 01:31:42,960
I think there's only a few that
I haven't been to. Wow. Yeah,

1336
01:31:43,520 --> 01:31:46,119
that's amazing fun. Yeah, I
mean the idea after it starts to

1337
01:31:46,239 --> 01:31:48,439
franchise, after there's one too,
does it feel like, oh, this

1338
01:31:48,520 --> 01:31:53,880
will work anywhere? No? I
think it takes a special place. Yeah,

1339
01:31:54,079 --> 01:31:57,640
and towns like say no to anybody? Yeah, did you said not

1340
01:31:57,800 --> 01:32:00,000
people who wanted the franch absolutely,
Okay, Yeah, I think and you

1341
01:32:00,119 --> 01:32:03,319
know, I mean, you know
people, I can read people pretty quickly,

1342
01:32:03,680 --> 01:32:06,199
I think, and I have an
amazing team with me as well that

1343
01:32:06,720 --> 01:32:10,199
we all have different strengths and when
you put them all together, you just

1344
01:32:10,520 --> 01:32:13,840
things work right, Like we care
about each other and we work together and

1345
01:32:13,920 --> 01:32:16,560
we do these things so right it
works. Wow, I had no idea.

1346
01:32:16,720 --> 01:32:21,319
Yeah, I had no idea.
I'm sure it is a tremendous amount

1347
01:32:21,319 --> 01:32:25,159
of work, but what a How
cool is that from something that you know?

1348
01:32:25,479 --> 01:32:28,520
And did you ever like I would
write a thank you note to your

1349
01:32:28,560 --> 01:32:30,520
parents? Yeah? You know what
I'm saying. I thank them every day

1350
01:32:31,000 --> 01:32:33,560
now I take care of them.
No, they know. I mean,

1351
01:32:33,760 --> 01:32:38,199
yeah, they're great people and they're
still very supportive and it's still exciting.

1352
01:32:38,239 --> 01:32:41,359
But my dad, I think still
thinks I maybe paint furniture, you know,

1353
01:32:41,479 --> 01:32:43,920
like you know your parents, just
you can think of things that you

1354
01:32:44,000 --> 01:32:45,279
tell your parents, and you're like, that is so lost in trims.

1355
01:32:47,319 --> 01:32:51,960
He is not picking up what I'm
putting down? So yeah, what's next?

1356
01:32:53,039 --> 01:32:56,960
Then? Well with Riobe, you
know they again that was part of

1357
01:32:57,000 --> 01:32:59,760
the Okay, we have this platform, let's dive off of it and let's

1358
01:33:00,159 --> 01:33:03,600
get more people around the country with
with the traction that they can take it.

1359
01:33:04,439 --> 01:33:08,840
That's exciting and what we do and
how our missions are lined up with

1360
01:33:08,960 --> 01:33:12,399
the values and the great things we're
doing it, just who knows where it

1361
01:33:12,439 --> 01:33:16,279
can go. I think I think
it'll go a lot further by teaching people

1362
01:33:16,840 --> 01:33:20,359
things that they can do, like
tips and how to use tools. I

1363
01:33:20,439 --> 01:33:24,720
think that's a big miss because there
really is not a space that you guys

1364
01:33:24,760 --> 01:33:27,520
could go to and be like,
I want to learn a power tool.

1365
01:33:27,600 --> 01:33:29,920
And what happens when you go to
home depot, Like you might not know

1366
01:33:30,520 --> 01:33:33,119
what associate might not know what you're
talking about. I know that's where you

1367
01:33:33,279 --> 01:33:41,439
miss sort of those smaller right independent
lumber hardware stes right where people did it

1368
01:33:41,560 --> 01:33:44,560
and knew it or they were doing
it when you know your old man refers

1369
01:33:44,600 --> 01:33:45,960
to it as you like, but
look, hey we gotta go down to

1370
01:33:46,000 --> 01:33:48,840
the lars, I get some lumber. Yeah, you know those days are

1371
01:33:48,880 --> 01:33:51,520
gone now. Yeah. If you
go to home depot, and when you

1372
01:33:51,560 --> 01:33:56,600
go to home depot, some of
those people have what you're talking about.

1373
01:33:56,600 --> 01:33:58,800
I told a kid the other day
what a stud was. I was like,

1374
01:33:58,840 --> 01:34:00,479
I need a couple of studs.
He's like, and it point to

1375
01:34:00,560 --> 01:34:04,119
himself. And that's another thing.
Like imagine like going in as a woman,

1376
01:34:04,239 --> 01:34:06,039
like most of the time, everyone's
like, are you here for something?

1377
01:34:06,119 --> 01:34:11,880
Or your husband. Yeah right right, no, you know, and

1378
01:34:11,920 --> 01:34:16,319
I'm gonna load my own damn truck
up. It's awesome. That's awesome.

1379
01:34:16,479 --> 01:34:23,520
So yeah wow. So so could
there be some kind of TV element absolutely

1380
01:34:23,680 --> 01:34:28,359
beyond is there talk? Absolutely?
There always has there always has with something

1381
01:34:28,479 --> 01:34:32,079
like an HDTV or you know,
they always make fun of me because I

1382
01:34:32,159 --> 01:34:36,239
say the barrier tantry's gone. I
did thirty years bocast radio. But I

1383
01:34:36,880 --> 01:34:41,000
think, like this kind of stuff
is it's gone, and you could do

1384
01:34:41,119 --> 01:34:43,560
it right on YouTube. I have
a lot of friends who are comedians.

1385
01:34:43,640 --> 01:34:47,079
Now they're not putting specials out to
Netflix or anything. I mean, I'm

1386
01:34:47,119 --> 01:34:51,199
sure that they're saturated, but they're
just putting it right out for free on

1387
01:34:51,359 --> 01:34:55,279
YouTube. Why because it's putting asses
and seats when they come to town.

1388
01:34:55,840 --> 01:34:59,680
And I just wonder, if you
know, do you need a network anymore?

1389
01:34:59,720 --> 01:35:03,000
I don't don't know. I think
to a certain extent maybe maybe because

1390
01:35:03,039 --> 01:35:05,560
it's a bigger reach. You know, it's it's like what you're doing,

1391
01:35:05,640 --> 01:35:09,920
and then uh, let me see
if I get a right Riobe comes in

1392
01:35:10,439 --> 01:35:12,720
and you know what I'm saying,
they have a bigger platform and they can

1393
01:35:12,760 --> 01:35:15,119
get you out to more places and
maybe in front of other people that that

1394
01:35:15,159 --> 01:35:17,640
can help. And maybe the same
thing with the one of the streaming services.

1395
01:35:17,680 --> 01:35:20,079
But I know that there's somebody in
your house that knows all a lot

1396
01:35:20,119 --> 01:35:25,720
about all that totally. Yeah,
he knows a lot about my world,

1397
01:35:26,079 --> 01:35:29,840
which he crushes my dream sometimes because
he knows too much. Right, he

1398
01:35:29,960 --> 01:35:31,600
knows how it really works on the
other end of production and yeah, and

1399
01:35:31,720 --> 01:35:35,600
TV. But at the same time
he because of that ability, he's able

1400
01:35:35,640 --> 01:35:40,560
to really push me in the right
ways, yes, and tell me when

1401
01:35:40,560 --> 01:35:44,000
I'm good and when I'm not good. Sometimes sometimes I often think too that

1402
01:35:44,279 --> 01:35:48,159
being a little bit naive where there
is no why wouldn't this work? Right?

1403
01:35:48,319 --> 01:35:51,800
Yeah, that's where it works.
Somebody goes, how the fuck did

1404
01:35:51,880 --> 01:35:56,199
that happen? Yeah, because you
didn't know that it couldn't right, And

1405
01:35:56,319 --> 01:35:58,960
once you start to think, when
you start talking to people, yeah,

1406
01:36:00,000 --> 01:36:02,159
I want to do that. He
never says no. That's why Willy Wonka

1407
01:36:02,239 --> 01:36:06,279
had a contest and Charlie Buckett won
the fact because he needed a child with

1408
01:36:06,600 --> 01:36:11,680
You know, we'll take one quick
moment here and then come back and I

1409
01:36:12,000 --> 01:36:14,239
do you mind if we ask about
your husband a little bit and what he

1410
01:36:14,399 --> 01:36:18,199
does and his involvement with the huge
television. Is it cool, He's freaking

1411
01:36:18,199 --> 01:36:21,560
amazing. Okay, great, Yeah, that's the most important thing. Sweetest

1412
01:36:21,560 --> 01:36:26,880
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1421
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1422
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1433
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1434
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1440
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1445
01:38:43,520 --> 01:38:54,960
today at four four two nineteen hundred. Blame it all all my roots.

1446
01:38:55,520 --> 01:39:00,079
I showed up in boots ruining your
black tiff. I don't think this is

1447
01:39:00,359 --> 01:39:08,680
this is a garth. No,
I was the last one you thought you'd

1448
01:39:08,800 --> 01:39:19,800
see there the music man and did
this sounds like chimpagne. I watched somebody

1449
01:39:19,840 --> 01:39:25,920
in this studio do this on live
band karaoke night over an iron smoke.

1450
01:39:25,960 --> 01:39:29,039
They have an actual band and then
you get up and you can sing with

1451
01:39:29,159 --> 01:39:31,960
the band. Danny did that.
I've never I've never been able to do

1452
01:39:32,039 --> 01:39:35,079
this song live until then. That's
great. I hadn't convinced my band to

1453
01:39:35,119 --> 01:39:39,880
do it and they said no.
So I need to take more control of

1454
01:39:39,880 --> 01:39:43,079
those people. Yeah you want,
Yeah, I need to be the boss

1455
01:39:44,039 --> 01:39:45,039
voice, right, that's it,
Like the Key of Boys. I just

1456
01:39:45,119 --> 01:39:49,520
need to break in and take control. But they got a Twitter account.

1457
01:39:49,560 --> 01:39:51,920
Now I think somebody acting as them. I don't think it's really that,

1458
01:39:53,199 --> 01:39:58,479
but the Key Boys. Yeah,
I'm sure somebody as the Crump's already you

1459
01:39:58,640 --> 01:40:02,720
people. Yeah that's funny. Uh. Shannon Evans with the Nailed d I

1460
01:40:02,920 --> 01:40:09,479
Y Studios and also the host of
Riobi Tools one on one. Look at

1461
01:40:09,560 --> 01:40:15,359
that Riobi Tools one on one.
Growth growth in this podcast, A lot

1462
01:40:15,479 --> 01:40:18,800
of growth. But your husband is
a television producer. Yes, he has

1463
01:40:18,840 --> 01:40:23,920
a two time Emmy Award winner.
Wow. Yeah he's good. Well I'm

1464
01:40:23,920 --> 01:40:26,720
a great guy. What do the
what does he want? Emmy? Olympic

1465
01:40:26,840 --> 01:40:30,520
Sports Live Live Turnaround? Okay?
Yeah? And then is he involved with

1466
01:40:30,800 --> 01:40:34,199
he won for curl was curling?
He won an Emmy for curling? Yeah,

1467
01:40:35,199 --> 01:40:39,039
I didn't know that was even possible. Well, it is cool when

1468
01:40:39,039 --> 01:40:42,760
you watch curling, like to get
that camera to be right on the rock

1469
01:40:42,880 --> 01:40:45,520
as it comes down. Like is
that all his ideas looks like where my

1470
01:40:45,600 --> 01:40:47,760
parents think of what I do?
Like he tells me what he does,

1471
01:40:47,800 --> 01:40:50,159
but it's very hard for me to
comprehend a lot of that because I'm not

1472
01:40:50,239 --> 01:40:54,880
there and I don't do it,
so I probably gonna butcher everything he does,

1473
01:40:54,960 --> 01:40:57,399
and he's gonna be like, that's
not even what I do. What

1474
01:40:57,640 --> 01:41:00,039
what? Okay, so what do
you think he does? He's a he's

1475
01:41:00,039 --> 01:41:03,880
a producer, so he produces a
lot of mostly sports. Was where he

1476
01:41:04,000 --> 01:41:09,079
kind of started to really love what
he was doing. Um, like he's

1477
01:41:09,119 --> 01:41:11,800
in he does Wimbledon, US Open, British Open Players Club, all of

1478
01:41:11,840 --> 01:41:15,720
these, like okay, the Olympics, football, you know that's big stuff

1479
01:41:15,840 --> 01:41:18,239
everything, Yeah, the bigger stuff. So um, and NASCAR is one

1480
01:41:18,239 --> 01:41:23,760
of his work for he's freelancing.
He's freelance, he's his own producer,

1481
01:41:23,840 --> 01:41:26,359
so they have to hire him on
The great thing is that, like you

1482
01:41:26,439 --> 01:41:30,720
know with the writers strike, Yeah, the sports isn't affected. No rights

1483
01:41:30,760 --> 01:41:32,840
still play, Yeah they still play, So that that makes things a little

1484
01:41:33,199 --> 01:41:36,880
nicer. But he does, he
do, so he does Nascar. NASCAR's

1485
01:41:38,039 --> 01:41:41,079
big. We've been in Nascar.
That's like, that's all our life has

1486
01:41:41,119 --> 01:41:44,439
been since we moved there fifteen years
ago. Is Nascar is Nascar, that's

1487
01:41:44,439 --> 01:41:45,920
all. It's so big of a
part of our world. In my kids

1488
01:41:46,000 --> 01:41:48,920
World. They talk about it on
sports radio in Charlotte. I mean it's

1489
01:41:48,920 --> 01:41:53,039
like a top Yeah, it's huge, that's all it's. That's all it

1490
01:41:53,199 --> 01:41:57,920
is. Does he do somebody said
to me that he does Watkins Glenn when

1491
01:41:58,000 --> 01:42:01,560
NASCAR comes there, he produces.
Does he's all the races he's coached.

1492
01:42:01,720 --> 01:42:04,079
Yeah, it's different. So like
in a race, you'll see different things

1493
01:42:04,159 --> 01:42:06,920
happen on that race. Like when
you're watching it, you might see a

1494
01:42:08,039 --> 01:42:12,800
spot where they're at Bubba Wallace's house
and that's him. He's producing that spot

1495
01:42:12,840 --> 01:42:15,960
that then gets aired there. Or
if you watch Radioactive and that's the spot

1496
01:42:16,000 --> 01:42:18,520
where it's all the swear words that
they're saying in the car. He produces

1497
01:42:18,560 --> 01:42:23,279
that feature, so then that gets
played, or if it's at the tracks

1498
01:42:23,319 --> 01:42:27,640
and he's you know, following around
the live crew or whatever. So production

1499
01:42:27,760 --> 01:42:30,520
is so wide ranged. Of like
television production, it's just there's so many

1500
01:42:31,039 --> 01:42:33,880
fascinating parts of it. But he
also edits, so like he does,

1501
01:42:33,960 --> 01:42:36,479
he gets to take a lot of
that and create his own, you know,

1502
01:42:36,640 --> 01:42:40,720
masterpiece if you will. So it's
it's he's very well rounded in the

1503
01:42:40,800 --> 01:42:43,560
world of TV, and he's he's
been in his whole life. It's all

1504
01:42:43,600 --> 01:42:46,000
he's known. Like to see that
sizzle reel of all the sports. No,

1505
01:42:46,159 --> 01:42:49,079
seriously, all the clips he's done
and all those. Does he do

1506
01:42:49,199 --> 01:42:53,279
the interviews himself? To the interviews? Yeah? Is he ever on camera?

1507
01:42:53,479 --> 01:42:55,840
No? He hates them. Okay, so he won't go he won't

1508
01:42:55,880 --> 01:42:59,880
go on. But but a lot
of times he'll just see like NASCAR,

1509
01:43:00,039 --> 01:43:03,079
you'll see somebody talking to the cameras
him and asking the question behind it.

1510
01:43:03,239 --> 01:43:06,239
Yeah. Wow, Yeah, it's
fun and it's cool. Like in our

1511
01:43:06,279 --> 01:43:10,640
office, we um, I did
this one thing that I built and I

1512
01:43:10,720 --> 01:43:14,239
put up all his credentials, and
I remember telling him it's like every one

1513
01:43:14,279 --> 01:43:17,000
of those credentials was one event,
and there was like hundreds of them from

1514
01:43:17,039 --> 01:43:21,560
the years and years of just remembering
all of those simple moments that people don't

1515
01:43:21,560 --> 01:43:25,800
even know we're happening in the background, but that created that thing that someone

1516
01:43:25,880 --> 01:43:30,039
watched. And he's so humble.
He's so humble, Like he's like,

1517
01:43:30,119 --> 01:43:31,840
oh, I'm my show was on
and we'll be like yeah, and he's

1518
01:43:31,880 --> 01:43:35,319
like, all right, I'm going
to bed. So you know, he

1519
01:43:35,520 --> 01:43:39,640
has he done anything for like any
of the thirty for thirties with the ESPN

1520
01:43:39,760 --> 01:43:42,239
that you know, he did do
ESPN stuff for a long time he did.

1521
01:43:42,359 --> 01:43:44,880
Yeah, I don't know what.
I have no idea what the film

1522
01:43:44,920 --> 01:43:48,880
network does. He do more feature
type stuff than the actual He did do

1523
01:43:49,000 --> 01:43:53,720
the show on USA Network that was
like they the NASCAR, They followed the

1524
01:43:53,840 --> 01:43:56,760
drivers and it was like the reality
okay, life type thing. So he

1525
01:43:56,880 --> 01:44:00,640
started in reality TV. He started. I met him because he invited me

1526
01:44:00,720 --> 01:44:05,199
to the Apprentice finale rat party Real
and of course I'm gonna where I was

1527
01:44:06,319 --> 01:44:14,199
like sleep with me, yes,
that party, m M Trump. Yeah,

1528
01:44:14,399 --> 01:44:20,760
I don't I don't know. I
don't remember Amarosa. Maybe she liked

1529
01:44:20,840 --> 01:44:24,560
my type, you know. But
um yeah, that's where he started,

1530
01:44:24,640 --> 01:44:27,920
you know, production and like reality
so Bachelor at Bachelor, which he ruins

1531
01:44:27,920 --> 01:44:30,560
all of those for me because he
tells me it's really happening. Yeah.

1532
01:44:30,039 --> 01:44:33,279
Um but reality is where he started. And we were both NBC pages so

1533
01:44:33,560 --> 01:44:36,039
and I don't know if you know
about the Page program, but that's like

1534
01:44:36,119 --> 01:44:40,399
the start coveting position. Yeah.
I don't know much about that at all.

1535
01:44:40,800 --> 01:44:45,760
Watched Dirty Rock I did, Okay, so now that's that's the parody

1536
01:44:45,800 --> 01:44:48,560
of the page it's the most incredible. It laid the foundation for so much

1537
01:44:48,640 --> 01:44:53,279
of both of our lives. And
we both started there in television there.

1538
01:44:53,880 --> 01:44:56,479
Um, so yeah, that is
that where you met him or no,

1539
01:44:56,680 --> 01:44:59,199
no, I met him in college. He was he was a marine,

1540
01:44:59,239 --> 01:45:00,840
so he came a little old.
He was a little older than me,

1541
01:45:00,920 --> 01:45:02,439
so you know, I wouldn't date
an older man, had morals right,

1542
01:45:02,600 --> 01:45:08,399
values much older. So I was
like, we met in college and then

1543
01:45:08,439 --> 01:45:13,439
after college he used instant messenger whatever
it was called, and that was what

1544
01:45:13,520 --> 01:45:17,960
the dms were of the day,
right, he slid into my aim to

1545
01:45:18,039 --> 01:45:23,239
say, you know, and again
he used the big words like producer TV

1546
01:45:23,520 --> 01:45:26,760
New York City, and I was
like, oh, melting Yeah, I

1547
01:45:26,840 --> 01:45:30,760
was using producer radio Rochester. Who
the hell are you use your words?

1548
01:45:30,560 --> 01:45:36,560
Right? So, yeah, my
grandma loves you. Well take So did

1549
01:45:36,600 --> 01:45:40,119
you believe him when he was writing? Yeah, okay, yeah, I

1550
01:45:40,159 --> 01:45:43,920
mean he was such abody you could
lie. And then I suppose I never

1551
01:45:44,039 --> 01:45:46,279
think that about his feet to the
fire and say I'd like to go to

1552
01:45:46,359 --> 01:45:48,840
that rap party and then you show
up. I don't know why, but

1553
01:45:48,880 --> 01:45:51,800
I don't think I ever think people
are like doing me wrong. I'm always

1554
01:45:51,840 --> 01:45:55,479
like that boy is so nice.
He's like he's trying to sleep with you.

1555
01:45:56,239 --> 01:45:58,920
Oh, but he's so sweet,
Like I am a naive to like

1556
01:45:59,000 --> 01:46:01,359
the world. So I don't know. He just said it was happening,

1557
01:46:01,399 --> 01:46:04,720
and I went forty nine dollars Jet
Blue ticket. Here we are. So

1558
01:46:05,000 --> 01:46:10,720
you flew up to New York from
from Rochester. Yeah, those of the

1559
01:46:10,800 --> 01:46:13,960
days, right, ALM was like, take it go, I have fun.

1560
01:46:14,319 --> 01:46:17,199
Twelve days, twelve days. Wait
a second, I know. It

1561
01:46:17,359 --> 01:46:23,279
was the greatest party, billy party. That's like a first date that I

1562
01:46:23,479 --> 01:46:26,159
know. There was so much and
we had been talking for a long time,

1563
01:46:26,199 --> 01:46:28,560
and you know, yeah, he
was doing he did what was that

1564
01:46:30,119 --> 01:46:32,640
Vegas show? Remember the Vegas reality
show? And they like, I think

1565
01:46:32,640 --> 01:46:35,159
maybe it was called Vegas Now.
He's gonna kill me in real world Vegas

1566
01:46:35,359 --> 01:46:39,199
Now, somebody. It was so
good I'll remember. But anyway, he

1567
01:46:39,239 --> 01:46:41,119
was doing that show, and he
was on the road doing that, and

1568
01:46:41,159 --> 01:46:43,920
he would call me from the road, and you know, we had an

1569
01:46:44,079 --> 01:46:47,239
extensive conversations. Yeah, prior to
meeting, I felt safe. Okay,

1570
01:46:47,279 --> 01:46:49,640
so you oh, I got you. So all that and then he went

1571
01:46:50,119 --> 01:46:53,680
for a few months and then from
why not twelve days? I mean there

1572
01:46:53,800 --> 01:46:56,479
was a lot, a lot to
do, and sometimes you get there you

1573
01:46:56,600 --> 01:46:59,520
just connect with somebody, right,
you just connect in the you know somebody

1574
01:46:59,560 --> 01:47:01,880
who just that recently they connect with
somebody and they've been on a date since.

1575
01:47:02,079 --> 01:47:04,640
Yeah, I don't know. I
mean, good people are hard to

1576
01:47:04,680 --> 01:47:08,920
find, but I really just feel
like genuine people you know right away they're

1577
01:47:08,960 --> 01:47:12,560
genuine. Yeah, And I don't
really really think of any reason to and

1578
01:47:12,640 --> 01:47:15,600
then not believe that. And then
all the way through he's just been supportive

1579
01:47:15,640 --> 01:47:18,039
of oh yeah, all this stuff
with you and it's exploded, exploded,

1580
01:47:18,079 --> 01:47:21,720
and then he helps produce what for
you. He does whatever I ask him.

1581
01:47:23,159 --> 01:47:26,119
And he's also really handy. He
can build anything you show him.

1582
01:47:26,119 --> 01:47:28,920
I could hand him a catalog and
say I want this pottery barn living room

1583
01:47:28,960 --> 01:47:30,720
and he'd be like, Okay,
here's what we need to do. So

1584
01:47:31,479 --> 01:47:34,199
it's crazy because if he was great
in front of the camera, wanted to

1585
01:47:34,239 --> 01:47:38,000
be in the camera, we could
probably do more. But yeah, he

1586
01:47:38,119 --> 01:47:41,319
doesn't want to be there. He
doesn't he doesn't want it. You don't

1587
01:47:41,319 --> 01:47:43,720
want to be like those that was
a Magnolia couple. Yeah, No,

1588
01:47:43,840 --> 01:47:48,359
he would never Okay, yeah,
yeah, didn't then impact their marriage or

1589
01:47:48,359 --> 01:47:51,199
something happened. I don't know,
I don't know. We did an HDTV

1590
01:47:51,279 --> 01:47:55,239
show when we first moved to Charlotte, and we got casted for the show

1591
01:47:55,279 --> 01:47:58,359
when we were filming, and we
filmed for like a month solid flipping a

1592
01:47:58,640 --> 01:48:00,600
how Home and it was like really
cool. And then the producer comes in

1593
01:48:00,720 --> 01:48:04,279
on like the last day of filming
and she goes, we're pulling the plug

1594
01:48:04,359 --> 01:48:09,640
on the show. There's a new
person in Waco that we're going to go

1595
01:48:09,760 --> 01:48:15,159
test out. It was Joanna and
Chip Gains. So our show never aired

1596
01:48:15,199 --> 01:48:17,880
because Joann and Chip Gaines were they
were going to try them out in Waco.

1597
01:48:18,680 --> 01:48:21,640
Get to keep the stuff you filmed
or no? Yeah, but we

1598
01:48:21,720 --> 01:48:25,119
did cap the house and we sold
it. No, the house, but

1599
01:48:25,239 --> 01:48:28,560
I'm talking about what they filmed.
Now, would you like to see that?

1600
01:48:28,720 --> 01:48:31,000
Let him editing and put it out
on YouTube and go and that would

1601
01:48:31,039 --> 01:48:35,640
be the greatest behind the scenes right
never who knows where it is. So

1602
01:48:36,199 --> 01:48:40,279
they just didn't feel like, you
guys know, it was a whole thing

1603
01:48:40,359 --> 01:48:44,479
because the brothers that were doing it, they were very religious. Let's just

1604
01:48:44,560 --> 01:48:46,800
say they had a lot of beliefs
that didn't belong on HDTV, they felt,

1605
01:48:47,399 --> 01:48:50,399
which is funny because Joanna and Chip
Gains are very religious as well.

1606
01:48:51,479 --> 01:48:55,760
They were like extreme Christians though,
and they you know, there was a

1607
01:48:55,800 --> 01:48:59,439
lot of controversy at the time.
It was the early twenty fourteen, twelve

1608
01:48:59,600 --> 01:49:01,479
thirteen, um, so you know, the world was smaller there. There

1609
01:49:01,520 --> 01:49:04,760
wasn't as much social media maybe to
fact check some things and really see what

1610
01:49:04,880 --> 01:49:10,239
was going on, so rumors were
easily spread. But yeah, it's wow.

1611
01:49:10,439 --> 01:49:15,640
Yeah, how is TV extremely I
mean I would imagine I don't know.

1612
01:49:15,880 --> 01:49:18,199
I try not to think about what
I don't have when I think about

1613
01:49:18,239 --> 01:49:23,840
what I'm a big believer in as
well. Once you start, you got

1614
01:49:24,000 --> 01:49:29,239
a subjects to subjects what I want. But there are bad people in there

1615
01:49:29,319 --> 01:49:31,039
and TV mean there are people that
will do anything to get what they want

1616
01:49:31,079 --> 01:49:35,159
too. Yeah, it is cutthroat
because there are people that don't one dog,

1617
01:49:35,239 --> 01:49:40,399
one bone. Sure, so don't
find who you are though. Authenticity

1618
01:49:40,520 --> 01:49:43,119
is really weird. Well, right, that's why I do this. Yeah,

1619
01:49:43,880 --> 01:49:45,079
if you if someone's telling you to
be on TV, to be like

1620
01:49:45,159 --> 01:49:48,239
someone who's already on TV, yeah
you don't. You don't belong there you

1621
01:49:48,359 --> 01:49:50,960
go in being like this is what
I have and this is what fuels me,

1622
01:49:51,039 --> 01:49:54,279
and this is what I'm passion.
There's my four adopted children that I

1623
01:49:54,319 --> 01:50:00,560
didn't really adopt from four differ but
I mean, clearly there's something that you

1624
01:50:00,000 --> 01:50:02,079
and I don't know if it's got
to help your husband or not, but

1625
01:50:02,239 --> 01:50:06,079
Riobi coming in and all these others
that that's a big deal. That's that's

1626
01:50:06,119 --> 01:50:11,319
got to be quite the endorsement for
yourself, like going, hey, man,

1627
01:50:11,439 --> 01:50:14,600
this company is thinks, so yeah, well enough of me that they're

1628
01:50:14,600 --> 01:50:16,159
going to do that. I have
a friend in television who was guiding a

1629
01:50:16,239 --> 01:50:19,079
lot of that journey for me.
Okay, and that's someone that my husband

1630
01:50:19,079 --> 01:50:21,800
also had produced, so yeah,
and he's very well known, so he

1631
01:50:21,960 --> 01:50:24,920
was able to kind of be like, hey, if this is what you

1632
01:50:25,039 --> 01:50:27,720
want, I can tell you what
you're going to need to do and I

1633
01:50:27,760 --> 01:50:30,279
can help you with that. So
I did have like a very great mentor

1634
01:50:30,439 --> 01:50:33,760
in that because sometimes I think with
my husband, I don't want to be

1635
01:50:33,840 --> 01:50:38,760
honest, it's it's a hard thing
when your husband's doing a job. I

1636
01:50:38,840 --> 01:50:41,239
don't know how to explain it,
but I don't want to fight with him

1637
01:50:41,399 --> 01:50:45,479
or have reason to have conflict over
something that doesn't deserve to be a conflict

1638
01:50:45,520 --> 01:50:47,359
at all. So, you know, I don't know. Sometimes it's just

1639
01:50:47,600 --> 01:50:51,560
he's he's so good at what he
does and allowed to say who the mentor

1640
01:50:51,720 --> 01:50:56,960
is or yeah, retledge would okay, I don't know, would actually actually

1641
01:50:57,000 --> 01:51:00,279
I know the name wheel Show,
Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,

1642
01:51:00,439 --> 01:51:02,920
oh wow, I thought it was
Race Randy's Buddies. But I mean,

1643
01:51:02,960 --> 01:51:06,319
can you surround yourself with people like
that who are not only doing what

1644
01:51:06,880 --> 01:51:10,600
you know, something great in television, but they're also good people. Yeah,

1645
01:51:10,680 --> 01:51:13,439
there's a difference with like when you
get someone that believes in you,

1646
01:51:13,600 --> 01:51:15,600
that isn't an asshole, or that
believes in you, that does have the

1647
01:51:15,760 --> 01:51:20,079
right capability and like to feel the
right things that you're feeling. And it

1648
01:51:20,199 --> 01:51:24,199
was it was it was just like
poetic, I mean everything. Just So,

1649
01:51:24,640 --> 01:51:28,880
do you still flip houses? Absolutely, It's funny because they're really hard

1650
01:51:28,920 --> 01:51:31,359
to flip right now. Flipping houses
is not an easy thing because there's so

1651
01:51:31,439 --> 01:51:34,800
many people that are also rowing after
the same homes. Yeah, so you

1652
01:51:34,960 --> 01:51:39,239
either have to have a lot of
money or you gotta be somewhere ahead of

1653
01:51:39,319 --> 01:51:43,399
that and it's I don't know.
I'm really looking right now. My brain

1654
01:51:43,520 --> 01:51:45,800
is turning with a lot of the
tiny home, the world of tiny home

1655
01:51:45,880 --> 01:51:48,800
or tiny home living. I think
a lot of people are minimalizing their life.

1656
01:51:48,880 --> 01:51:51,520
Yeah, And I think that happened
with COVID, And even after COVID,

1657
01:51:51,600 --> 01:51:55,680
people were like, what really matters? Do we really need a seven

1658
01:51:55,760 --> 01:51:58,720
bedroom home? Right? And do
we really need all this room? Or

1659
01:51:58,760 --> 01:52:01,079
do we really only need all this
stuff? Because certain things became more important

1660
01:52:01,079 --> 01:52:04,479
to you. Yeah, And I
also think sustainability wise, I don't think

1661
01:52:04,520 --> 01:52:08,439
everyone's always going to want these big
homes. It's a lot. Yeah,

1662
01:52:08,520 --> 01:52:10,800
there's a lot to clean, it's
a lot to do. Yeah, and

1663
01:52:11,119 --> 01:52:14,840
not everyone can afford them and everyone
should. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

1664
01:52:14,920 --> 01:52:17,319
I agree. It's funny. I
knew a guy who owned his own contracting

1665
01:52:17,359 --> 01:52:23,840
business and they had a small house
in a Rondequois and his wife did not

1666
01:52:24,000 --> 01:52:26,600
want to move. They looked at
other houses, she goes, I want

1667
01:52:26,640 --> 01:52:30,520
to stay here. They had a
daughter who's kind of a fashionist. To

1668
01:52:30,640 --> 01:52:34,079
let's say so, he did the
coolest fucking thing I've ever seen. He

1669
01:52:34,239 --> 01:52:39,560
put a closet in the basement with
a pole that she could slide down.

1670
01:52:39,960 --> 01:52:43,359
No. Yeah, there was a
pole and a spiral staircase that went down

1671
01:52:43,840 --> 01:52:45,479
into her closets, so she could
go down into her closets every day and

1672
01:52:45,520 --> 01:52:50,479
then back up. And then they
took this really tiny kitchen and he renovated

1673
01:52:50,520 --> 01:52:56,000
it in all these different drawers and
warming ovens and it's like state of the

1674
01:52:56,079 --> 01:53:00,920
yard in this tiny space. Yeah. I mean I think given the reality

1675
01:53:00,960 --> 01:53:03,199
of like you can create anything in
your mind, yes, And I think

1676
01:53:03,319 --> 01:53:05,520
there's a lot of people that don't
because they're like, where the hell would

1677
01:53:05,520 --> 01:53:09,399
I even begin, right, right, So, I mean I love hearing

1678
01:53:09,479 --> 01:53:12,239
those stories because I'm like, that
was one time, just like this crazy.

1679
01:53:12,640 --> 01:53:15,680
I always give my husband those ideas, like crazy ass ideas and he

1680
01:53:15,800 --> 01:53:18,199
never says no, which that's that's
where it's fun, Like, yeah,

1681
01:53:18,199 --> 01:53:21,479
anything can be done. Sure.
Do you ever go and are you ever

1682
01:53:21,560 --> 01:53:25,680
brought in by people to look at
a house and say it's what you'll do,

1683
01:53:25,880 --> 01:53:28,640
like an interior designer basically? Right? Yeah, I've had like an

1684
01:53:28,680 --> 01:53:30,000
investor took me to a house once. He didn't tell me what kind of

1685
01:53:30,039 --> 01:53:31,720
house. He just said, come
look at this house. I think we

1686
01:53:31,760 --> 01:53:34,680
could flip it. I want to
just know what you see. This dude

1687
01:53:34,760 --> 01:53:40,039
was housing raccoons whoa like forty of
them, and they every time I opened

1688
01:53:40,079 --> 01:53:42,439
a door or anything, there was
like a raccoon. Right. It was

1689
01:53:42,479 --> 01:53:44,680
the weirdest thing. So I'm like, I'm never going in until I see

1690
01:53:44,680 --> 01:53:46,680
photos first. That's it. That's
it. But yeah, I do that

1691
01:53:46,720 --> 01:53:49,800
a lot like people will just you
know, your intellectual property of what do

1692
01:53:49,880 --> 01:53:53,880
I do to my house? What
should I do here? Yeah? Wow,

1693
01:53:54,439 --> 01:53:57,119
that's I had no idea. There
was so much going on there,

1694
01:53:57,159 --> 01:54:00,399
and I didn't know about the Nailed
at DY Studios. Like I said in

1695
01:54:00,439 --> 01:54:02,079
the beginning, I thought, oh, she's got a franchise. No,

1696
01:54:02,359 --> 01:54:06,319
it's the owner of it. Yeah, but that that's and I think it's

1697
01:54:06,359 --> 01:54:11,279
great that your husband right there in
lockstep saying yeah, let's do it.

1698
01:54:11,760 --> 01:54:14,800
You know, there's no no and
that that's great. That's very cool.

1699
01:54:14,800 --> 01:54:18,000
I'm really glad you came in.
That was creator and owner of Nailed at

1700
01:54:18,079 --> 01:54:21,159
d I Y Studios. You can
go to uh at nailed at d I

1701
01:54:21,319 --> 01:54:27,439
Y. Right, Yeah, I'd
find those host of rio BI tools one

1702
01:54:27,479 --> 01:54:31,720
on one from Rochester to Charlotte,
North Carolina. Look Out Television or something.

1703
01:54:31,760 --> 01:54:40,479
It's coming up soon for Christian Dan
who um, it's full of aias

1704
01:54:40,520 --> 01:54:45,520
information, full of U s Hi. I was se real soon I was

1705
01:54:45,640 --> 01:54:47,039
this Morner, I was this morning. I'm glad you got that out of

1706
01:54:47,039 --> 01:54:54,800
your sister. I did. Nobody
can enjoy it as much as me by

1707
01:54:54,920 --> 01:54:57,560
myself, so I have to tell
the world. At some point, I

1708
01:54:57,720 --> 01:55:00,880
mil Moran. We'll see him Monday. I didn't know what to do.

1709
01:55:00,359 --> 01:55:03,720
I'm trying to TV, gonna do
the letter to you and missus. I

1710
01:55:03,880 --> 01:55:08,600
didn't got a dag and the moment
in a statem