Ladies and gentlemen. Here we are on My Family Thinks Some Crazy podcast and
back again. First third time round is Rider Lee, the man behind Raised
by Giants. Last time I was here, we were talking about jfk X,
an excellent film he put together with the great Jay Widner, and today
we are going to be diving down a very interesting rabbit hole. I'm excited.
Riders is the type of guy who sees what's going on in the world
and takes it one step beyond. He goes with his scalpel and he picks
apart what most conspiracy theorists take for granted. So I am very, very
excited to have Rider on for this analysis of the true origins of the Flying
Saucer, and that might even be mischaracterizing it without further ado, Rider,
Welcome back to the show. For folks who may be hearing about you for
the first time, give us a brief introduction and then help us segue into
the topic we're going to be getting into today. First off, thanks so
much for having me on again. Mark really appreciate it. It's good to
see you. You're looking fancy and snazzy today. We're kind of matching here
today. If you're watching the video version of this show, and yeah,
thanks for having me on. Man. A lot of people don't really want
to dive into this topic because it really destroys their preconceived notions and ideas of
what they think that UFOs and flying saucers really are. And we've let this
phenomenon get so far out of hand that I one personally believe that it serves
to make a lot of people easily fooled by scammers and fraudsters and grifters that
prefer the lie over the truth and really bring no evidence or proof of what
they're talking about. And this could mean that any group or individual or government
could use the myth the mythology of UFOs and extraterrestrials that may want to destroy
or undermine our society through the deceptiveness and missing disinformation surrounding ufology and this current
contact Ye movement that started with a gentleman named Samuel Eden Thompson that literally nobody
knows about. It was from nineteen fifty no one talks about because they've never
even heard of him because the story was really overshadowed by Kenneth Arnold, which
we're going to get in Kenneth Arnold in his sightings in nineteen forty seven,
but they were later on then overshadowed by the Betty and Barney Hill story in
nineteen sixty one, just like no one really tends to talk about George van
Tassel, who was the first person to claim in contact with the Ashtar galactic
Command in nineteen fifty two, or George King from the Etherist Society cult,
or Dorothy Martin from the Seekers u a Foe called in nineteen fifty four.
But this contact ye community and movement has brought about what can really only be
described as a mental illness that can the ties and the origins of this can
really be tracked back to the rise in the popularization of the extraterrestrial and UFO
myth, which it's a huge aspect of ufology that literally no one wants to
talk about, and it's a huge issue, right, So yes, thanks
for having me on. Mark really appreciated. And if people are interested,
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I won't plug until you tell me I can plug again. But if
you're interested in finding my content and my work and my research again, check
me out on YouTube and Raised by Giants and any and all podcast platforms or
any of the other alternative video platforms as well. So thanks so much for
having me brother. Go on, yeah, and feel free to plug whenever
you see best. I do it sometimes thanks to the name of my show.
It's it's a little conversational, you know. But anyways, you said
something that people might already be reaching for their phones. Hold on, rewind
what did he just say, ufo obductees are suffering from a mental illness.
Let's start from the beginning. Let's go back to even before the gentleman who
coined the term, well, let's say he was misquoted and the newspaper coined
this term flying saucer. Since then, that's kind of been the carrot on
the stick. Don't look over here, look at this shiny, dangling object
that is the flying saucer. Right, So where do we begin? How
do we start at the beginning of the timeline of this, as you put
it, this mental illness that is sweeping the nation in the twentieth century.
Well, it really all starts with Kenneth Arnold in nineteen forty seven. But
that is not where the phenomenon starts. The phenomenon tracks back probably at least
hundreds of years in the past, some say thousands of years. But that's
not what we're focusing on right now. We're not focusing on the phenomenon itself.
We're going to be focusing on the characterization in the label of what these
things were called, and that started in nineteen forty seven with Kenneth Arnold.
Now, they were shields, there were pillars, as you know, a
lot of people described them as flying chariots in the past, but that is
something completely different. And as we get along in this conversation, you're going
to realize that Arnold, he he's quoted several times saying that what other people
were seeing during that time, because he brought about an entire wave of sightings
other people cleaning to see the same things that he said that he saw.
But he never said that he saw a flying saucer, never, not one
time. And what he said that other people were seeing, he said that
other people were seeing something completely different or nothing at all. So that's just
you know, he's calling bullshit on these people back in the late forties,
and he's saying these people aren't seeing the same thing as what I saw,
or they're seeing nothing at all now. As I said, the phenomenon goes
back further, but we're talking about the title, in the labelization of what
these crafts are, in the shape of the craft. And I can see
people in the comment section now saying, oh, well, it goes back
way farther than nineteen forty seven, which it does. But again, they
weren't called flying saucers back then, and Kenneth Arnold kicked off this entire idea
and thought behind flying saucers. And I want to bring up a picture of
Arnold for the people that are watching the video. Here is Kenneth Arnold,
and a little background on Arnold for people that aren't familiar with who he is
and what he is. He was a very well respected aviator. He was
a businessman and later on he was a politician. He was the first person
in modern times. Now take that is exactly what it is modern times to
report a strange craft in the sky. So at around three pm on June
twenty fourth, nineteen forty seven, Kenneth Arnold was piloting his plane in the
skies near Mountaineer, Washington, searching for missing marine aircraft and he witnessed a
string of what he estimated to be nine objects flying at around ten thousand feet.
He said that they flew at amazing speeds of what he also estimated to
be fifteen one hundred miles an hour. Some people say two thousand miles an
hour. It's a back and forth thing, right. He said that the
objects lacked tales and they reflected sunlight. And after witnessing these craft, he
landed his plane in Yakima, Washington and told his friend Al Baxter about the
sighting. Arnold then shared a story with other pilots at the time, and
they said that maybe what he witnessed was experimental military aircraft or military missiles.
Arnold wasn't so pleased with that explanation, and not really being convinced that what
he saw was experimental aircraft, which we're going to get into here a little
bit later, because he comes out with a drawing of the craft that looks
almost identical to what we now know is the B two stealth bomber, but
that's here later. So, not being convinced by the explanations of what he
saw by his friends and fellow pilots, he walked into a local news station
and told his story to a gentleman named Nolan Skiff. Now Nolan Skiff published
a short article with the headline saying something like impossible but seeing as believing.
That story was then forwarded to the Associated Press for worldwide distribution, and that
is where the term flying saucer was born. Now, as the story progressed
and public interests became very popular, the whole thing turns into a media frenzy.
Now, when you look at Arnold's testimony, which he did a lot
of interviews, a lot of radio shows, he never used the term flying
saucer to describe the shape of the craft. He said it was bat shaped,
crescent shaped, boomerang shaped, and he often sometimes referred to it with
like a pie pant or half moon shaped. Right, And Arnold ended up
working very hard up until the end of his life in nineteen eighty four to
combat the flying saucer narrative. So Arnold came out with sketches of the craft
that he saw. And here's a picture of one of the sketches that he
drew. Doesn't look like a flying saucer to me. It looks like exactly
what he was saying, that it was bat shaped, boomerang shaped. Well,
even for folks listening a picture batman's batter rings, that's essentially the shape
there, bat and boomerang shaped. That's right, and that's those That was
his statements, And what had happened was is Nolan Skiff, the journalist that
published Arnold's initial story in the newspaper, said that Arnold cited nine saucer like
aircraft. The media took the saucer like aircraft and ran with it and created
a bunch of different headlines saying that Kenneth Arnold had spotted saucer shaped craft,
when Arnold literally never referred to the shape of the craft as saucer and shape
bat shaped, crescent shaped, boomerang shaped, half moon shaped, and he
in one of the interviews with the United Press he even said that he said
that there was half moon shaped and it was an oval in the front and
a convex in the back, just like his sketch depicts. Right, became
such a frenzy topic with everyone reporting these strange craft now, and like I
was mentioning in the beginning of the show, Arnold said that what everyone else
was seeing and all the other reports that were coming out other eyewitnesses whatever they
were reporting was something else or nothing at all. And another quote from Arnold
was that he doesn't feel like they should be labeled flying saucers. It should
be labeled a strange type of aircraft instead of flying saucers. So in April
of nineteen fifty, Arnold comes out and spills the beans. Right, He's
like on this whole misrepresentation, in this whole misquote, Arnold said in this
interview in nineteen fifty, the objects that he witnessed fluttered like they were boats
on really rough water. And this next part is the most important part of
all where the misquote and the mistranslation came from. He told news reporters in
the beginning that when the saucers flew, they flew like a saucer being thrown
across the water, and the newspapers printed it as the shape of the craft
was saucer and shape, when all Arnold said was that they flew like saucers
skipping across water. It's probably the biggest misquote and misrepresentation of what Arnold said
of all time, right, and then also it underpins an incredible error on
the part of all of ufology moved forward because now everybody is looking for flying
saucers and trying to explain the physics of what essentially is a nonexistent object.
But in fact, you know, they've taken the physics of the craft that
they saw and reversed it, like, oh no, instead of them knowing
that this thing skips along whatever's up there, like a saucer skipping across water,
let's make them think that it's a saucer, you know. And I
mean just the image of that type of object, the boomerang crescent shaped object,
kind of like oscillating in that way. I mean, it defies our
understanding and maybe rightly, so maybe they need to cloak these sorts of things
so that people can't reverse engineer this technology. That's my thought, that's right.
And you would think whenever Kenneth Arnold came out with the drawing here's a
picture without Kenneth Thornold in it for the people that are watching the video portion
of the show, you would think that whenever he came out with the drawing
of these crafts, that it would just end all the flying saucer talk.
But it didn't because it became such a frenzy topic and the idea and the
thought of the shape of the craft being a flying saucer had already been singed
into the mind of people that there was really no turning back on it,
right, especially when you get into what the term flying saucer actually was,
because this is a mind blower right here, very perplexing and the implications of
it. Even the people that know about this, which I've talked about it
on a few people's shows, and I've done it on my show, so
some people are definitely aware of it. And there's also a book that's written
all about this stuff by a gentleman named Chris Albeck. Got him on my
show a couple of times. He's a very interesting He's done a great research.
He's written an entire book about this entire subject Kenneth Thornod in his sightings
and what the term flying saucer actually was before it was associated with UFOs.
His name is Chris Albeck. He's got a book on Amazon called Sorcers,
right, the flying saucer excuse me. The flying saucer name was first originally
associated with a sport that predated Arnold sightings by over sixty years, which was
called trap shooting, which started in the late eighteen hundreds as a way to
train hunters and shooters where they would release live birds from cages and use them
as target practice. And then that was later changed to these little clay flat
discs named flying saucers by a man named Charles Lewitski in eighteen eighty. He
dubbed these little clay pigeons that are what they're now called as clay pigeons.
He dubbed the name flying saucers. So I hope you guys see where this
whole thing is going. And I have a picture, and I get sure
seeing this in iconic movies, I forget if it's like Meet the Fokkers or
one of those comedy movies where they go trap shooting. And I think everyone's
seen this at some point in time, whether you're a hunter or sportsman or
not exactly. And this is what the flying saucers look like. Looked like
a general depiction of the popular UFO. So by the early nineteen hundreds,
flying saucers had become a ridiculously popular sport. There were competitions, championships,
there's newspaper headlines saying that the skies of North America were covered in flying saucers,
flying through the air and exploding and falling to Earth, which is the
exact same type of phrases that were used decades later with Kenneth Arnold's sightings,
like the Roswell sightings, all the sightings in the fifties. It's not just
a coincidence, right, So, by the twentieth century, the named flying
saucer had become such a commonplace name, being used for over two decades beforehand,
the sport of flying saucers had become so popular it was adopted by the
Olympics in nineteen sixteen. The number of participants in the sport of flying saucers
was six hundred thousand people. In the US, they all knew the term
of flying saucers and called these little clay pigeons flying saucers. The military even
adopted the flying saucers sport to train their soldiers in target practice in the beginning
of World War Two. I have to put two and two together there on
that one, because that's like literally what has happened in modern times. The
military has taken over the UFO narrative. It's being ran by the military,
has been ran by three letter organizations. So the exact same thing happened before
World War II. The military adopted this flying saucer sport, and then it
fell out of the popularity within the public. So war permeated trap shooting started
to die off with people losing interest after the military taking it over. So
we have these clay pigeons being called flying saucers since eighteen eighty, hundreds and
thousands of people being familiar with the term flying saucers, the military adopting the
term and the practice in the mid forties during World War II, and two
years after the war ends we get the term flying saucer, but under a
different context. It's related to something completely different. So what we have here,
Mark, is the entire subject of ufology is based on a fallacy.
Yourthology has been using the shape of the round disc when it was never described
by Arnold as a disk or a flying saucer. So we've had the shape
wrong this entire time. For seventy seven years. We've essentially he been telling
and regurgitating a huge misrepresentation, a misnomer of what Arnold said that he saw.
And I've put the challenge out on my show. I've put the challenge
out on other people's shows that has been gracious enough to have me on.
For anyone to find a quote of Arnold saying that the shape of the craft
was sorcerer in shape. Not what other people said that he said, Not
what other people quoted him as saying, because they obviously got it wrong and
misinterpreted his words. But find me a quote of Arnold himself saying that the
craft that he witnessed on June twenty fourth, nineteen forty seven was a flying
saucer. You can't and you won't because it doesn't exist. The flying saucer
mythology is a lie. It's a misnomer. It's a misinterpreted quote by the
newspaper reporters, journalists and researchers, and is still the most popular symbol of
ufology to this very day, even though it's not called flying saucers anymore.
Flying saucers are the basis and the root of modern ufology. Right every conference,
every UFO documentary, YouTube, thumbnails, I've even done it all use
the flying saucer art. When it's a lie. It's never what they look
like. And you'll find you'll find quotes that from Arnold saying, oh yeah,
the shape of the craft was batshape boomerang shape, shaped like a pie
pan half moon shape. But never once did Arnold say that the shape of
the craft was saucer and shape never he didn't say it. He said that
the way that the craft moved was like a saucer skipping across the water,
not the shape of the craft. And it's just a coincidence. Mark.
I might have forgot to mention this earlier, but George Lewitski, the gentleman
that created the sport of flying saucers, his little clay pigeons, came up
with the term flying saucers uh sixty seven years before Kennethornald, and he said
the exact same thing that Kennethornald said. He said that he got the idea
of calling these these clay disc flying saucers from watching kids tall saucers across the
water. Make that one makes sense, well, and help me wrap my
head around. I mean, you mentioned that it looks like the B two
stealth bomber. But if these are moving on through the air in this sort
of like kind of up and down fashion as as you would see a rock
or a disc skipping across water, do you think that that can tell us
something about what's really going on here? Am I putting the cart before the
horse? You know, what do we what do we think about the actual
shape and physics of what Kenneth Arnold saw, because it seems like it they've,
as you put it, spent a lot of time letting people just fantasize
over this flying saucer image. And then, as you pointed out, too
now conveniently nobody even calls them UFOs anymore. They just, you know,
overnight decided we'll call them UAPs now because of the tic tac phenomena, which
you know, I'm sure there's questions about that whole situation as well. We
could get into. But when it comes to the actual shape and the physics
of these crafts, it seems to fall in line more with conventional aircraft or
maybe something that has capabilities that are still you know, not declassified, you
know, physics capabilities that these planes have that we're not aware of. Possibly,
I mean, that's a possibility. I mean, and there's no proof
that what Kenneth Arnold witness was a military craft or experimental military aircraft. I
was just putting two and two together by the shape of what he Drew looks
suspiciously like a B two stealth bomber. It's not exactly, that's just my
personal feelings and personal research on it, because it looks pretty identical. And
maybe this craft was a prototype of the B two stealth bomber, you know,
maybe it was the first rendition of that. And then they use the
flying saucer narrative to cover up the fact that they were advanced military experimental aircraft
that they hadn't quite figured out yet, and maybe that is the reason why
it's moving like a saucer skipping across water, is because they haven't quite figured
out the pulsion systems of this experimental craft. I just put those in relation
together in the craft that Arnold seen being like to be too stealth bumber because
they look pretty similar. Not that it's a fact that what he actually saw,
but Kenneth Arnold's friends and fellow pilots during that time, that's what they
said. They were like, you just saw some experimental military aircraft. And
we're also going to get into that with what Paul Benowitz was seen in New
mexic Co as well. He was seeing experimental military aircraft over Kirkland Air Force
Base, and then they brought in these Air Force special agents to convince him
that what he was seeing was extraterrestrial craft. So it's not out of the
realm of possibility that they could have used the flying saucer narrative to throw people
off track to getting them looking for something that never existed, in order to
effectively cover up really what's happening. I tend to think that that's more often
than not the explanation for some of the more sensational and harder to believe conspiracy
theories, alien related or otherwise even aliens themselves. You know that it seems
like there could be something even deeper going on there. And you mentioned some
abductees. Kenneth Arnold w isn't abducted, he was just an eyewitness. So
maybe those are two entirely different instances that have been lumped together for this purpose
of creating a smoke screen around military activities. I know previously you were looking
into all the stuff with MK Ultra, so I'm curious about the overlap that
might have come about when doing this research. If there's anything that reminded you
of what you learned about MK Ultra. It seems like that's what's going on?
But yeah, where do we go next? From Kenneth Arnold? How
does this flying saucer story really start to unravel beyond what we've already talked about.
Well, Kenneth Arnold actually had several sightings after his initial sightings that a
lot of people don't really get into. They just want to sensationalize that first
sighting. But he had many other sightings. So some people report that he
had eight sightings after his initial sighting. Some people say that he had eleven
sightings. His second sighting was just a month after his first sighting in July
of nineteen forty seven, where he was flying his plane from Idaho to Oregon
and saw a cluster of about twenty to twenty five brass colored objects that he
said looked like ducks, and these ones appeared to be round and rough on
the top. He said that they flew in like a cluster, more like
blackbirds than ducks. But according to Arnold, they weren't ducks. And apparently
Arnold had taken footage of this event, and those people that had seen it
said that they were ducks and that they were birds, and the footage just
gone missing, just disappeared. Into the ether, never to be seen again.
And I want to see it because it was probably the best footage of
ducks that we have ever seen or anybody has ever captured. Right, so
it looks like a duck, acts like a duck, it's probably a duck.
Right, cracks like a duck, It's a duck. So his third
sighting after the ducks were in nineteen forty nine, where Arnold said that he
saw two craft flying under his plane on the close to a mountain in California.
The fourth one was in nineteen fifty and was apparently a sighting that his
wife also seeing a craft in the sky and she ends up confirming Arnold's sightings.
The fifth one was in nineteen fifty one. So it seems to just
continue to see the craft every year after his initial sighting. You know,
it just kind of seems like it's a a gregoric thing, and you've probably
seen the popularity of it. He was like, how do I outdo myself
from the previous one that I've seen. It's like making a sequel to a
movie. You know, you want to up the annie of the sequel,
but the sequel never really compares to their original. Let me ask you this.
You said he was a businessman, an aviator, and a politician.
Did these sightings happen after he was retired? Did these happen before he became
a politician? When did these you know, like, how did how did
these sightings play into his life? And also are there any indications prior to
these sightings that he might have been, you know, unwell, mentally unstable,
those sorts of indications. No, no one really thought that he was.
He was a very well respected man. I just think that the publicity
of his first sighting, his initial sighting, got the best of him,
and then he just started taking everyday objects and turning them into UFOs. He
had a fifth sighting, which was in nineteen fifty one, and these were
before he became a politician. He became a politician later on in his life.
But in nineteen fifty one he saw a craft in the sky near Santa
Rose in Nevada where lights appeared close to the ground and it was a red
and yellow glow to them. And what is red and yellow from the ground
that you can see from a plane that's on the ground. It's headlights.
It's headlights. You're seeing some headlights and just making things up, being to
the UFOs of your very first sighting. The sixth sighting was in nineteen fifty
two in California, where Arnold claimed that he came into contact with the craft,
which he claimed was totally transparent, stating that he thought that they were
all alive. This is where he starts to change up his beliefs and his
ideas surrounding what the craft are. He claims that they are biological entities that
can change sheep at will, and in twenty seventeen, his daughter Kim Arnold
came out and made a statement about his sighting, stating that Arnold believed that
the craft could change density and they were biological organisms, and he would refer
to them as jellyfish. Which I thought that this was really interesting because Kenneth
Arnold back in nineteen fifty two started referring to these craft as jellyfish. And
right as I'm doing this research looking into all this stuff, is right when
the Jellyfish UFO dropped by Jimmy Corbel on the UFO Revolution to be documentary in
the Jellyfish UFO, I was like, Wow, this isn't a coincidence.
I don't know what it is, but that's wild. I was literally reading
that article of Kenneth Arnold preparing for my show on my YouTube channel, Legends
of Ufology surrounding Kenneth Arnold, and I'm reading they started calling these craft jellyfish,
and then the jellyfish UFO dropped. I'm like, what is going on
here now. The seventh sighting happened in Idaho in sixty five. Not a
lot of information on that one. The eighth and final sighting came to western
July of nineteen sixty six, which happened in Idaho Falls, where apparently hundreds
of residents of the city apparently saw a strange craft in the sky, including
Arnold. They observed a what they described as an enormous triangular craft at tremendous
height in the sky, which turned out to be an inverted pyramid shaped nylon
balloon which was released the week before, which this gets into Sean Kirkpatrick,
which is the head of Arrow, just came out in that article and said
that pretty much all of the sightings since the forties have been related to military
technology, military drones and military R and D that has been misrepresented as UFOs
and extraterrestrial craft. So that's what was going on, and I kind of,
you know, relating that to today's times because it's really important. The
what's really been happening is just people are seeing drones, they're seeing balloons,
they're seeing everyday man made objects, and they're thinking that it's UFOs and extraterrestrial
craft when it's not. And if we fast forward a little bit, we
get into Paul Benowitz and all the events that surround him. In nineteen seventy
nine, Paul Benowitz was a Are you familiar with the Paul Bennowitz storysh refresh
our memory. I have heard of Paul Benowitz, but I don't know what
he's associated with other than what you've already said in this conversation. So,
Paul Benowitz was born in Kansas. He earned a banachelor's degree from Arizona State.
During World War Two, Benwitz was a radio electronics engineer for the Coastguard.
He worked as an for San Francisco CBS station in a radio station in
Tucson. He married his wife in nineteen forty seven. Around nineteen fifty three,
Beinewitz moved to New Mexico and started working in sales. He later began
his ZWN Industrial Sales Company. In nineteen sixty six, he acquired the rights
to a humidity censor from a national laboratories in Arizona. He founded a scientific
company called Thunder Scientific, a small business that he operated with his wife,
Cindy, that would later develop high tech instruments for NASA in the Air Force.
So during the nineteen seventies, Paul Benowitz became a member of the Arizona
Aerial Phenomenon Research Organization, which was a civilian UFO investigation group. And by
the mid seventies cattle mutilations had became very popular and associated with UFOs. So
in nineteen seventy nine, US Eternity R. E. Thompson and US Senator
Harrison Schmidt held a public meeting about cattle mutilations. The meeting was attended by
supposedly around eighty people. One of the attendees was Paul Benowitz. Now,
at this meeting, at this cattle mutilation meeting, it was pretty much ran
by the FBI, and this is where the targeting of well a lot of
people say the targeting of Benowitz by the government agents first happened. Because it
was at this meeting that Paul Benowitz was introduced to a highway patrol officer named
Gabe Valdes who was investigating these incidents, which is very important for you to
remember for later on in the story because it's connected. So Bennowitz listed July
nineteen seventy nine as the beginning of a personally funded study into UFOs because Paul
Beinowitz reportedly began filming strange lights and recording unusual radio signals over Kirkland Air Force
Base. So Paul Benowitz would go out into his back patio. Kirklin Air
Force Base was only like a half a mile away, you could see everything
that was going on. He said that he would see these strange lights,
mainly two bright lights slowly lift up off of the ground and then zip around
go in back behind the mountain. So common sense and critical thinking would tell
you that if we're seeing something strange over a military base, then it's probably
the military. Right. Anyone can tell you it's the military, you know,
Like I was mentioning earlier, these people that are seeing these weird and
strange things over a military base, it's more than likely the freaking military.
So Paul, being a radio expert, very well versed in radio technology,
he was a World War Two veteran using a technology for the Coastguard. He
decided to try and listen into some communications and radio signals from Kirkland Air Force
Base and trying to figure out what these strange lights were and what he was
seeing. I was trying to figure out if the military knew anything about it.
Right, So he decoded a bunch of these transmissions on his own,
and he put together that it was about technology and that the technology wasn't from
here. So this began his journey into the extra tresture around So in nineteen
eighty, I believe in October of nineteen eighty, Paul Beinhamwitz contacted Kirkland Air
Force Base to give his report of his findings, like any good citizen would
do, right, you're seeing some strange stuff. It's happening around the military
base. You're getting some strange recordings from your radio equipment that you have set
up in your antenna above your house. You're a radio engineer. You're going
to try and contact the military base where you're seeing this stuff to see if
they know anything about it, and you can maybe give them a briefing.
Right. So, in nineteen eighty Paul Benewitz briefed Kirkland Air Force Base on
what he was capturing and what he was finding. The military personnel possibly thought
that maybe it was a Soviet thread or another country or someone was planning to
possibly invade the base. To figure out more about what Paul Beinhewitz had and
make sure it wasn't a threat, it put him in contact with with a
man named Richard do Richard Doty was an af OSI Air Force Office of Special
Investigations and Paul not really knowing what he had because he didn't analyze the footage
properly. He didn't analyze the recordings that he had properly. Richard Doty going
to his house examining the footage that he had of these strange lights and the
translated communication radio transmissions that he had. Richard Doty figured out pretty quickly that
after going and seeing the stuff, that what he had was top secret radio
transmissions from the Air Force base that didn't have anything to do with extra trastrips.
The footage that he had was top secret experimental aircraft that the Air Force
was working on. But Richard Doty came in and convinced him that it was
extra trastrips and that I had to do with that extraterrestrial craft. Now he
didn't outright just hell, Paul, beIN what's this? He would just kind
of plan a little bit of seeds, right and be like, oh,
Paul, this you got some pretty good stuff here, Paul. It might
be extra treshals. You may have you may have some communications with h extra
trestrials at the base. You might be getting extra tresh real craft on that
video right that it could possibly be from extra trestrials and ufolks. And with
Paul being a World War Two VEX, he worked in radio communications for the
Coast Guard during World War Two, it's easy to convince Paul to keep quiet,
to shut up about it, right, Like sh oh, buddy,
but the old power. You owe it to your country not to say anything
about this to anyone, right, keep all this information to yourself. But
it wasn't just Dody that was doing this. See, I don't put a
lot of fault on Richard Doty. Richard Doty was just doing his job right.
It was all the Air Force generals. They were all in on it.
During Paul Binowits briefing to the Air Force after Paul showed this footage that
he captured of this strange craft, which was a top secret keep in mind
it's a top secret experimental Military Air Force aircraft. A burgadier general stood up
and said, Paul, you got some pretty convincing evidence there, bro What
would you like the Air Force to do about it? And Paul replied with
that he wanted a grant. Paul wanted a grant to continue to study UFOs
on the base, and he wanted a grant to continue his contact with aliens.
That he claimed that he had the contact with aliens thing really through the
Air Force off guard, right, And this is where it gets super freaking
sinister and really crazy. But if you have any questions before we get into
that, let's roll with those. I'm at the edge of my seat.
I'm ready to get into it. I've been I've been trying to keep track
of names and important figures for questions. But no, keep keep going,
brother, Okay, So I'm try and pull up a picture of Paul here
really quickly. For the people that are watching this on video, this is
a picture of Paul Benowitz. Here is a picture of Richard Doughty. People
are very probably very familiar with Richard Doughty. So what it happened was Paul
was picking up these signals from Kirklin Air Force Base. He didn't really know
that that was the case. So what had happened was the NSA parked a
vehicle across the street from Paul Bennowitz's home and would directly beam radio signals into
Paul's antenna on top of his house to make Paul believe that he was in
contact and in communication with Extra Treasures and that he was getting and receiving and
seeing the things that he thought that he should be seen. The NSA broke
into Paul Benowitz's house replaced his computer with an NSA modified computer. The computer
has software on it had NSA software installed into the computer to decode the messages
that were being sent to Paul in the way that they wanted Paul to see
them. This is how far the miss and disinformation has gone to bringing miss
and disinformation surrounding extraterrestrials and UFOs. The NSA broke into Paul's home and replaced
this freaking computer with an NSSA modified computer to make him believe that he was
getting messages and receiving messages from extraterrestrials, and in all of these messages that
Paul thought that he was receiving from extraterrestrials, which was really the NSA,
is a lot of the exact same theories and a lot of the exact same
things that are still being regriticated to this day, which is all lies and
made up nonsense from the NSA. The messages said that extraterrestrials were from a
planet with no water, that they're here for our resources, that they're here
to take over Earth, and that they only trusted Paul because Paul was a
chosen one. How many channelers have we heard talk about this. How many
of these UFO cults have they received information saying that they're the chosen one and
that only they can disseminate this information from extra treastrials. It's the exact same
freaking thing, right, and all kinds of other stuff, which again you
can research it and look into Project Beta. It details all of the things
that the NSA was communicating to Paul Benewitz about extraterrestrials and are still all regurgitated
into the community to this very day, and it's completely and utterly made up
by NSA agents. But it gets even worse. If that wasn't bad,
if you didn't think that was bad, it gets even worse. Okay.
So in May of nineteen eighty, state police in New Mexico received the report
from a woman calling herself Myrna Henson. She was describing a story involving extraterrestrial
aliens, bride lights, and herds of cattle. Now, the police then
referred her to a colleague in Dulce named Gabe Valdiese. Now we know who
gave valdies is. He was the person that was introduced to Paul Bennowitz at
that count of Mutilation conference right, which then gave valdies then referred the Marna
Henson case to Paul Benowitz. So on in May of nineteen eighty, Myrna
Henson and her son traveled to Albuquerque, New Mexico to meet with Benowitz.
They stayed in his home. Henson explained to Benowitz that on May nineteen eighty,
while she was driving with her son near a place in New Mexico,
they had witnessed two large silent objects approximately the size of a good Year blimp
and looked like a good Year blimp hovering over a meadow, looks like a
good Year blimp, flies like a good Year blim. It's probably a freaking
Goodyear blimp. It's just like Kenneth Arnold and the ducks. Right, they
look like ducks, quack like ducks, move like ducks. They're ducks.
They then contact a gentleman named Leo Sprinkle, which was a psychologist and a
professor from the University of Wyoming who had been investigating in looking into UFO contact
these and abductees and reports of strange craft been wits arranged for Sprinkle to fly
to Albuquerque to hypnotize Henson. When Sprinkle arrived, Henson and Benowitz, this
Myrna Henson Lady convinced Sprinkle to conduct the regressions in his car that is parked
inside of his garage with the windows being covered in thick aluminum foil. Right,
Paul's literally out of his mind at this point, which I don't freaking
blame the guy. Right, you got the NSA right across the street from
your house, stocking you beaming signals into your antenna and your home, making
you believe that you're in contact with extra trestrials, which she didn't know,
he didn't know that it was the NSA. He thought that he was legitimately
in communication with extraterrestrials. You got the Air Force telling you that you're right
about the aliens, but you can't tell anyone. You're gonna go a little
insane. So Sprinkle decided to He decided to regress this woman in the pinfoil
car and Bennowitz's garage, and all of the regression sessions pretty much form and
turn into the mythology of the Dulce Base. I don't know if you're familiar.
Are you familiar with the Dulce Base in New Mexico with Phil Schneider and
this contract between extraterrestrials and the military to create this deep underground military base to
create extraterrestrial human hybrids and vats and babies and cloning and like all that stuff.
I'm sure the listeners are familiar. But this is where the mythology starts.
Because Paul Benowitz had been going out to Dulce and he had gotten photographs
in some video of top secret military activity that was happening in Dulcet. So
they sent this MYRNA Hinson lady in there to completely get him off track with
making him believe that it's extraterrestial. So Sprinkle decided to regress this woman,
and under hypnosis, Hinson reported these recollections of getting abducted and being taken to
this underground base with body parts and vats and all these tanks and humans being
experimented on. And she also claimed something about Roswell. Though Roswell had not
been cemented and connected to the town with UFO folklore yet that was no one
had made that connection in Uphology, which is a perfect setup for Bill Moore's
book on Roswell called the Roswell Incident just a few months later in October of
nineteen eighty are here, which was all government miss and disinformation surrounding the Roswell
event in the Roswell Crash, which this book popularized the myth of extraterrestrial craft.
No one talked about the event until this book came out. Well that's
a big myss. No where that I think we talked about the first time
you were on the show, unless someone else had talked about it with me.
But uh yeah, Roswell really wasn't even a thing until twenty or thirty
years after it had occurred, and you know, when you think about that,
it's like, you know, of course they can roll out some little
story like that and make it out to be something much bigger than it actually
was. You know, even thinking about the context of when it took place,
the isolation of a place like Roswell, New Mexico in that time period,
they could make up anything going on over there. And you know,
you'd probably even find some people that would take a paycheck to go and play
your little story and make up a bunch of eyes. So it's really I
love how we're undressing ufology and the his this false history we've been given,
because really it shows how there is a secret history going on, a second
history, as some authors have called it. America has, you know,
two histories, this public facing one and this very private secret one that we
are really getting into right now. So but when you said, Leo Sprinkle,
I'm like, first of all, that name alone should raise red flags,
no matter matter aware, no matter where you find it, Leo Sprinkle,
who names their child that? Right? And you're totally right about the
Roswell event. It literally did not become popular until Bill Moore's book The Roswell
Incident which was all filled with government miss and disinformation of a crashed extraterrestrial craft.
And Bill Moore got up in front of the Moufon conference in nineteen seventy
nine and tried to tell everybody that it's all fake, made up miss and
disinformation from the government, government agents like Richard Dody, and they booed him
off of the stage. They booed this dude off of the stage for trying
to come out and say that all this stuff is made up nonsense. They
didn't want to hear it. And that whole thing with because we're going to
get into a little bit more here in a minute about how the lore has
taken on a life of its own and Paul Bennowitz's going to these other people
and telling him, telling them all of this missing disinformation and how that's just
been regurgitated and just changed slightly over the years and turned into something that was
completely made up. Right, But really quickly back to the Myrna Henson story
and this Paul Bennowitz set up, because that's exactly what it is. It
was a setup with this lady Myrna Henson to get the law and the mythology
you're rolling because they knew Paul Bennowitz would tell everyone and this would snowball into
a bunch of nonsense. Right, So Henson, along with claiming to see
this large Goodyear blimp like craft she also received, she also said that she
recalled having been given an implant while she was abducted by these aliens. Here's
we're all the alien implant lore comes from everything literally comes from this duke being
fed missing disinformation from the NSSA, the Air Force in this military agent Myrna
Henson. Right, this was before John Mack, This was before Whitley Strieber.
This was before all of these people that came in and popularized everything that
had been told by Paul Benowitz to all these people. Right. So Sprinkle
returned to visit Benowitz to then perform another regression with Hinson to figure out more
made up nonsense, I guess, and he found Benowitz. He was basically
out of his mind. He was armed with a pistol and a rifle,
saying that he was concerned for his life, that he was going to be
attacked by aliens. These people were literally driving Paul Benowitz out of his mind
to the point where he thought that he was going to be attacked by aliens,
that the aliens were going to come down with the tractor beams and kill
him. It's actually a very sad story here, but it's important to go
over. And Benowitz armed up with all of his guns and his tenfoil to
protect him and his family. And this Myrna Hanson lady that was sent to
him by gay Vadies and Benowitz thinking that Sprinkle was an alien or whatever he
thought that he was, he told him to leave and then he contacted a
hypnotherapist by the name of James Harder. Now, James Harder was popular in
the UFO and contact the community because he was the person that did the hypnotic
regression on Travis Walton in nineteen seventy five, which I'm going to I'm going
to do a whole episode on Travis Walton because I'm just going to go down
the row of all of these people that have popularized the UFO lore myth.
But Ben Whitzen James Harder came to the conclusion that Myrna Henson was under the
influence of alien tractor beams and they wrote these detailed instructions on how to use
aluminum foil to shield themselves, right. This is literally where all the tinfoil
has stuff comes from. No one has any idea that it came from the
government, missing disinformation surrounding Paul Benewitz, convincing him that what he was seeing
was extra trestrials when it was advanced military craft, believing that he was in
communication with extra trestrials through risk computer when it was really the nssay So gave
Valdi's son later on commented on the whole Myrna Henson story basically said that it
was a big operation because there was listening devices, tracking devices that was found
on gave In gave Valdis's home, and he said he basically came out and
said that it was a very well orchestrated up and that was pretty easy for
them to pull off. And it's very difficult to figure out anything about Myrna
Henson because Myrna Henson is also the name of a famous actress and a model.
So when you type in Marna Henson into Google, all you're going to
get is this famous actress and model who won Miss USA in nineteen fifty three,
So it's practically impossible to figure out who she was. But I'm willing
to bet, willing to bet money. She was sent by the intelligence community
directly to paulbin Witz. And it's the perfect cover too. You use the
name of somebody that is famous, so you can cover up anybody actually doing
any researching to set individual. But now we get into the full swing of
this Dulce base. The mythology and all the rumors and the theories and the
speculation of the Deluxe Space all started because of the information that was given to
Paul Beinomwitz by government miss and disinformation Air Force special agents and this military or
government agent or whoever she was, Myrna Hanson. So December of nineteen eighty
one, Paul Beinowitz sent a letter to US Senator Schmidt and explained that he
knew the location of the alien base in northern New Mexico, northeast of Dulce
in New Mexico, and he knew someone in the military that had made a
deal with the aliens several years ago, giving them the land and the cattle
and the apparent security of safety to trade the alien technology to them for the
land, the cattle, and the abduction of humans. And another thing that
was talked about in there was that the technology that supposedly the aliens gave the
military was thirty years behind the current alien technology. And we've heard that repeated
so many times throughout the community that it's unbelievable, but it's all missing disinformation.
So in nineteen eighty four, Paul Benewitz again referred to this Dulcet base
in this conflict between the extraterrestrials and the military that then led to the closure
of this Dulcet base, which is later regurgitated by people like John Lear,
Bill Cooper and who I was mentioning earlier, Phil Schneider. And now we
understand where all these thoughts and these ideas and these theories come from, where
all these stories come from. That that's what Bill Cooper always talked about in
the mid eighties, which popularized the entire myth in the legends that a contract
was signed between the government and extraterrestrials in exchange for technology. Bill Cooper just
added that it was Eisenhower that made the contract and saled the deal has changed
it just slightly. And Phil Schneider is a whole other story which I'm going
to be covering in the future. But by nineteen eighty two. Bennwits then
started contacting other UFO researchers like Linda Moultenhowe, John Lear, Senators, Harrison
Schmidt, and began to spread this idea and these theories and these speculations regarding
the Dulce base to others in the ufology community, and boom, UFO mythology
that came directly from the NSSA and what I believe was an intelligence agent and
Marna Henson and Air Force agents was born. Wow. All of this is
covered and is very well documented. It was documented in detailed in a UFO
conspiracy book named Clear Intent The Government cover Up of UFO Experience. It was
also documented in George Clinton Andrews book Dulce Based Legends of Extraterrestrials among Us,
and also in a nineteen eighty eight story entitled UFO Base Found in New Mexico.
Then in ninety nine, the Albuquerque Tribune featured a mention of Paul and
Cindy's Paul's wife their fiftieth anniversary. Paul Benowitz passed away in June of two
thousand and three. It was also documented in the two thousand and five book
called Project Beta. The story of Paul Benowitz's national security in the creation of
the modern UFO myth. Mark Pickerington's book about the project, which also detailed
it, details the entire thing, called Mirajemn, which was published in twenty
ten. Then the book was adopted into a twenty thirteen documentary under the same
title called Mirajeman, where former Special Agent of the Air Force Richard Dody is
on camera saying out in the nineteen eighties he was tasked with hoaxing documents and
feeding false information to UFO researchers including Linda muldenhow Bill Moore, and Paul Benowitz.
Wow, you think it's fair to say this constitutes an invisible war against
the American public. That's what it seems like. Boogeyman, and you always
need a boogeyman. Yeah, well, and it's a great veil for their
covert operations against the American public. I mean, I was just having a
conversation recently with someone who talked about explicitly documents from the CIA calling it invisible
World War three, and how they were using chemicals in different types of warfare
against the American public. This seems like psychological war. It seems like manipulation.
It's also it's interesting because so many people who get attracted to this research,
I think don't necessarily understand the risks psychologically that go along with spreading this
information. You know, you as a you know, researcher, myself as
a researcher, you know, we walk into these subjects with a bit of
separation in the sense that you know, we understand our position in relation to
the material, whereas I think some people, you know, maybe through movies,
maybe through you know, things on the internet, they get attracted to
these notions that they they've been implanted, or they have memories that have been
erased and it you know, again, like the title of my show is
my family thinks I'm crazy. So I don't want to come off like I'm
you know, not being respectful to my audience in the sense that I understand
there are people who who have, you know, really crazy things going on
in their life. And you know, when when you say, oh,
you're just crazy, I mean you're you're being gas lit. Right. We're
not saying that, we're saying, hey, step back and re examine these
notions that you know, there are aliens manipulating you. I mean I've seen
it myself in my personal life, even before I ever did the podcast.
I've met people who, you know, they were off the deep end,
and I was interested in what they're saying because they were, you know,
using like references and keywords that I'm familiar with, but it fit into their
per whatever their unique schizophrenia was, right, I mean, that's and it
was really unfortunate to see someone so brilliant who was caught up in these really
strange notions of aliens controlling their life and putting them in the position that they're
in. And yeah, when you think about it like that, and how
these ideas become weaponized and can initiate this process of self destruction in a person's
mind, then you start to see it in its true form that oh,
okay, this is a psychological war against us, these these alien ideas,
these you know, the people who you know put on a tinfoil hat,
right like I have. I have a hat with Faraday fabric on the inside.
You know, nowadays, I think it's perfectly reasonable to wear something like
that, now that we know about Wi Fi signals and all this stuff.
But you know, that notion was used again to mock and uh, alienate,
no pun intended. Anyone who got interested in this type of material,
they'd say, Oh, you're a tinfoil hat where you're a crazy person.
And that's exactly why Sam named the show tinfall Hat, you know what it
is, because you know, he's like, oh, we need to take
this back and empower the fact that no people are realizing something's really going on
and they're not crazy for it, right, So it works towards the military's
advantage when there's this atmosphere of confusion, when they can easily pin the blame
on the victim, who themselves is in fact delusional, but they're only delusional
in the sense that they aren't accurately assessing what is happening to them, right,
And I think that's the big distinction here with this conversation. We're not
saying people are mentally ill and everything that's alien is an illusion, it's all
made up for no reason. We're saying that it's being weapony. At least
that's what I'm saying. But please write or correct clear that up, because
I think that's a really important distinction to make here. Right. Yes,
weaponized folklore, weponized folklore is what I call it. And it's easy to
manipulate people into false stories and mythology when you create the false stories in the
mythology. And it doesn't help that over half the population is on some form
of pharmaceutical medication. And that's a statistic from twenty fourteen, two, twenty
sixteen, right accurate, accurate reading, I believe was forty eight percent of
the United States population is on some form of pharmaceutical medication. And where did
those pharmaceutical medications come from? They came from the mk Ultra programs. Wasn't
just wasn't just els, the it wasn't just mushrooms. It tested anti psychotics
on people, They tested antidepressants on people, They tested amphetamine, adderall riddling,
all before it hit the public. So you couple that in with these
frequencies that you're talking about that you would want to protect yourself with a Faraday
cap or some form of protection around your head. You couple that with the
pharmaceutical medication and the things that we're putting into our body. They can they
don't necessarily have to do this to you individually anymore. You do it from
a distance, right, because your defenses are already low. That's why I
don't believe in any kind of regression. That's why I don't believe in any
kind of hypnosis. Hypnosis has been hijacked from the original purpose of what hypnosis
is supposed to do. Hypnosis is supposed to be therapeutic. It's supposed to
go back and like help you get over things, like help you get over
addictions, help you get over some form of traumatic event that happened to you
in your past, so that you can heal from it. But we've turned
regression into figuring out about abductions, figuring about it about aliens, right being
abducted by UFOs, when that was never the intended purpose of it. It's
been hijacked. And guess what, when you think that you've been abducted or
has some kind of encounter with extraterrestrials, you go to a regressionist that's a
part of this community. Guess what You're going to find your pain them to
tell you that you've been abducted by alien and that you've been experimented on.
The UFO flew over your house with they freaking came out of the walls and
abducted you when you were twelve. That's what you're paying them to do.
That's what their job is to do. And so we have all of these
different things that are hitting us from all different angles twenty four to seven.
And it's hard to dissect each and every one of these things because there's so
much going on that it just turns into a freaking hind layered dip, dude,
And got to keep digging down into that dip and get to the bottom.
Get to those bottom beans, dude, those freaking refried beans at the
bottom. It once you get down into those things start to make a lot
more sense. And when I'm referring to mental illness, I'm referring to mental
illness as the symptom of drug use. That's what I'm referring to mental illness
is it is a sub it's a sub effect of drug use, like methamphetamine,
like adderall retilin, like things of that nature. Right, You're going
into a psychosis, is what it is. And they basically did that with
Paul Benowitz, but not with the drug factor. They just put him out
of his mind with all these theories and all these uh and a couple the
drug use with these fantastic theories and these all these conspiracies in the mythology of
it, and people are under the influence of that drug, they're going to
believe it when it was never that to begin with. R That's what I'm
referring to as with the mental illness aspect of this. The mental illness comes
from the drug aspect. I've worked in mental health hospitals. I've seen people
get into a drug psychosis, like just out of their mind, thinking that
there's not even from they're not even from the area. They've traveled across ten
five ten states to get what they're where they're at, and they're thinking that
the government is tracked them, that the government's going to kill them, and
that there's a man in a hoodie in the backyard that has a gun.
If he walks outside, he's going to be shot. Now, their delusions,
and it can be tracked back to one trauma to drug use and wild
and uh speculations and theories and mythology. You mix those up together, then
you have a perfect recipe for things happening that didn't really happen in your mind,
tricking you into believing something that happened that didn't really happen. And that's
exactly what they did during the MK Ultra programs. It traumatized them, They
drugged them, they psychically drove them, They implanted memories that weren't real into
their head. It's the exact same thing. They've been doing it since the
fifties when you made a really great point when you said that there aren't there
isn't a necessity to work on the individual. They've got it to the point
where they can work on us on a mass scale. And that, again,
as you're saying just now, is due to the drugs, right.
And you know, as somebody who attributes my own personal enlightenment to cannabis,
I you know, I think it's a fine line. I don't necessarily perceive
cannabis as a drug in the same way some of the harder substances are.
I wonder your your perspective on that where you think cannabis fits into it all.
But I think when people you know, listening to this conversation, who
are you know, well versed in the UFO lore or well versed in the
alien lore, they might be thinking, well, okay, I can understand
how the military can affect just a few people. They have, you know,
they have the capacity to put an operation together and affect these individuals that
have become famous in the ufology community. That makes sense, But they couldn't
possibly have, you know, they can't possibly have, you know, caused
every single UFO sighting or every single alien sighting. And I wonder if at
this point, if it's not really necessary for them to be there at every
single one. They just need to create this sort of atmosphere of confusion around
these subjects. And also, you know, as you put it so brilliantly
weaponized folklore, it sort of plays out in this predestined way when these instances
take place, whether it's you know, accidentally stumbling upon some military operation,
witnessing some military that you're not supposed to. When these folks identify themselves,
there's a protocol in place to basically, you know, disinfect any potential of
them getting the truth out there or acknowledging what's really going on. Right,
It's like a protocol to sort of d what's the right word, discredit,
you know, because you can you can pull someone you know, they identify
themselves as someone who's seen something they're not supposed to, and then you pull
them out of the crowd and make them into this pariah and they go down
this path of self destruction. Is it's like they don't even need to be
really in the mix at that point. They can kind of, you know,
be more efficient in there. In there, you know, control paradigm
at I hope I'm not just kind of rambling. Does that make any sense?
It makes sense. I think that the example that I would get is
what we covered here tonight with Kenneth Arnold and the misrepresentation and the mis quote
from Flying Saucers. It took on a life of its own. Everyone started
seeing flying Saucers now, just like Bud Hopkins in his book Missing Time.
After that book came out, everyone started experiencing missing time or thinking that they
experienced missing time. He also developed this thought in this idea of screened memories.
Then people thought, oh, well, I need to get a regression
to go back in time to see if that is really what I experienced,
or maybe it wasn't what I experienced. It's exactly like with Willie Streeber and
his book Communion and the Gray Aliens. No one talked about gray aliens before
that book came out. Very few people talked about great aliens. But as
soon as the book came out, everyone started seeing gray aliens. It's I've
explained this many times, and I'm sure I've explained it on your show before
as well, that it's agregor. It's an agregoric reality. When you put
your thoughts and your energy and your beliefs into you see more of that in
your reality. So all it has to do is get enough people to actually
believe in it, and then that regardless if it's real or not, it
gives it a life, It gives it substance, it gives it weight,
and that's exactly what has happened with Paul Benewits as well. It gets all
this miss and disinformation from the military, all the missing disinformation from the NSA,
all the missing disinformation from the what I think is a intelligence agent and
Rena Henson. Then he regurgitates the story to other people. Those other people
believe it, they repeat it. Those people that heard those people from the
repeated story, hear them talk about it. They believe it, and then
you no longer need to do anything else. I mean, Richard Dody in
the documentary Mirage Man was saying that he uh a lot of the things that
he blatantly fed miss and disinformation to people about he goes to these conferences and
he hears the exact same thing that he's talking that he told of these people.
It just takes on a life of his own. And once you've planned
that seed, that little bit of disinformation to one person, not one person,
gets other people to believe in it, then you no longer need to
do anything else. You just set back and you let the mythology and the
speculation and the theories just compound upon themselves. I mean, you get people
every day on some show talking about a contract with aliens. The government assigned
this contract with aliens, when there's no proof, there's no evidence, and
we now know that it was made up missing disinformation, that it wasn't real,
but people are still acting like it's real and they're regurgitating it because the
lie and the made up missing disinformation is way more popular than the real thing.
People don't want to have these types of conversations that we're having here today
because it's not fantastical, it's not mythology. It doesn't confirm the preconceived notions
about extraterrestrials and aliens and the universe being so populated and all this advanced technology
and these med beds and this anti gravity craft. It brings it all down
to earth, brings it down to a level where it's understandable. People like
the fairy tales because it's not because you can't explain the fairy tales, so
that's their mind, you know, go off in that direction, which just
fuels more speculation, more theories, and more nonsense. But that's pretty much
how it goes. It's as simple as that. You just plant an idea
in someone's head. Then you watch that idea like root up like a plant.
You don't have to do anything anymore, no longer have to actively spread
missen disinformation anymore, because the people in the community do it for you,
right right, Yeah, And then new generations of researchers look up to those
folks who are spreading disinformation. And what do you make of today's current wave
of UFO or UAP talking heads. I mean, there's the David Grush character,
there's the Lou Alesondo character, there's of course the whole nonsense with Tom
DeLong. It definitely seems more blatant at this stage in the game, maybe
to those who are maybe as jaded as us or as informed as us when
it comes to how deep this eye ops go. But do you think that
they're maybe maintaining that original disinformation campaign now with this new wave of UAP stuff.
I think a lot of them have been fooled by the same people that
were fooling Paul Benewitz. That's what I think. The mythology and everything has
gotten so out of hand that these top people that are basically in charge of
disclosure also believe it. I mean, that's that's how far it's gone,
and they're just as fooled as everyone else. And it proves it with the
Sean ka Patrick, he was ahead of Arrow, came out in that article
and said, I have seen no existence of extraterrestrials. It's the military,
it's military craft, it's military R and D, it's drones. And the
community just pushes back on that and say, oh, you're a disinformationalist,
you're one of them, You're you're working for the government. Of course you
would come out and say that none of the extraterrestrials don't exist. Of course
you would. They've been telling you that extraterrestrials don't exist since the very beginning.
They've been saying it, and they've never said otherwise ever. Now they
came out inside, Yeah, UFOs exist, which is now UAPs, which
is another name change from flying saucerers, from flying officers to UFOs now to
UAPs, which was came out with Hillary Clinton. She's the first person on
the I think it was Jimmy Kimball or one of those late night talk shows,
and they asked her the UFO question and she said, oh, well,
we don't call them UFOs anymore. They're called UAPs. And that's also
a way to where people can't go back and look at the history of any
of this stuff, right, because if you do a four your request,
you say, please send me any information that you have on UFOs, they'll
write you a letter back and say, we don't have any information on UFOs.
There is no information on UFOs. You have to type in, you
have to write them a letter that says UAPs. Then they'll get back with
you on UAPs. So it's been the they've said since the beginning that it
doesn't have anything to do with extraterrestrials. They've never confirmed that extraterrestrials exist.
They've never confirmed that UFOs are extraterrestrials. They've just come out and said,
oh yeah, yeah, by the way, UFOs are, they're real,
and they outmaneuver all of our craft, which is what they've been seeing since
the very beginning. It's no different, it's the exact same thing, but
people have had it programmed in their head for so long and associated extraterrestrials in
alien life with the UFOs. So whenever the Pentagon comes on and says,
oh, yeah, by the way, UFOs exist, people take that to
mean that extra that they're confirming that extraterrestrials also exist, when they have never
said it ever. So that's a giant misnomer as well. And I think
that the whole crash retrieval thing is a giant misnomer too, along with the
flying saucer thing. Crasher Triebal can take on a host of meanings. Crasher
Treble can be a downsideite, It can be a blimp, be anything in
the air. It could be a crashed helicopter. It could be a crashed
airplane. But better yet, it can be something from our ancient past.
They could go to let's say me and you right now, you just hop
in an airplane. This is just an example, me and you, Mark
b Opal, we hop in an airplane. We fly to Iraq or Afghanistan,
or Saudi Arabia or wherever wherever in the Middle East. We decided to
do a archaeological dick. We have a whole team of people, we do
an archaeological dig and we discover some strange technology that would also be a crash
retrieval. Doesn't matter how far back in the past it is, it would
still be titled under what it's considered to be a crash retrieval. But the
problem is, whenever you say crash retrieval, people automatically associate that term with
like modern times. They think, oh, well, it's crash retrieval,
must have happened soon. It must have happened in the past seventy years,
seventy five years or one hundred years or whatever it's in very recent times,
or someone saw the craft fall to the ground out of the sky, or
they saw it on radar and they went and retrieved the craft. When that
doesn't have to be the case one it can be like I said, crash
satellites, just like the satellites the UFOs that happened last year that they were
like, oh yeah, there's several UFOs has been shot down all across the
United States. It turned out to be Chinese spy satellites, right, but
it was still unidentified, still an unidentified aerial phenomenon or you know, UFO.
So they can play with these words all that they want, and these
words have a whole host of meaning. And I think that if any quote
unquote crash retrieval has actually happened, it's from hundreds, hundreds, if not
thousands of years ago that was dug up in an archaeological dig. That makes
way more sense than something in modern times because I am under the speculation and
theory that if extraterrestrials exist, they're not from off the planet. If another
species other than us exist, they're from here. They're also from Earth.
They've been here, and that's going to be the next direction that I think
that this phenomenon takes on, which is my personal speculation, in my personal
theory, I don't have any facts or evidence that this is the way that
it's going to go, but I just see it coming further down to Earth.
Right, We're gonna start seeing craft come out of the ocean, craft
go into the ocean. There's gonna be a realignment of the phenomenon, and
that's going to be centered around the ocean. That's going to bring about a
whole new wave of theories and speculation around extraterrestrial bases underneath the ocean. Yeah,
And I mean if they did or were to place some sort of you
know, thing under the ocean, who would notice? You know, they
could they could make up anything in some secret lab, throw it in the
ocean, and then a few years later be like, oh, look what
we found in the ocean. You know, like nobody's keeping track of what's
you know, dumped on the ocean floor, especially when it comes to when
the military is dumping it. They have free reign. So wow, that's
that's incredible. And I'm just now I'm trying to backtrack to the question I
was thinking of this time. Well, when it comes to your thoughts on
extraterrestrials, you did sort of just answer my question there that I was going
to ask you. But when it comes to abductions, all alien abductions are
therefore military abductions, right, I mean, this is this is again what
we're not saying that these things don't happen, and they're all just imaginated by
the people who claim to be victims. But it's rather that the alien premise
is being used as a cover up to cover up the fact that people are
abducted by the military. Right. Have you looked into any of those instances
like Betty and Barney Hill where they purported to be taken onto one of these
crafts. Well, that's one of the other explanations that people like Stephen Greer
talk about. And I'm going to say what you want about Stephen Greer.
He was one of the first people that I'd ever actually heard talk about military
abductions, that these people would dress up as aliens and abduct people and make
them believe that they were being abducted by extraterrestrials. But I think that that
is what a lot of this is. And I think that if people were
to really figure out if they're being truthful in their testimony that they were actually
abducted, then if they try and think a little bit harder, I think
that they will come to the conclusion that it was the military. I mean,
that's what Kathy O'Brien said several times. She's an ultra survivor She says
that there's a alien program, like an alien mk ultra program to where the
military are abducting people and they're making them believe that it's aliens because you can't
do anything about aliens, right, Aliens are so much more advanced. Their
technologies is at a whole other level than ours. Well, and it's also
an intangible boogeyman, right, I mean, they could, they could tell
us all this nation or another nation is the bad guy. But eventually it
comes to a point where all right, well we have to go and blow
them to smithereens. And that's tends to be what happens. But once that
country is, you know, folded into the globalist order, you know,
it's the boogeyman's gone too. So maybe it seems like this is a perpetual
political football, you know, a perpetual boogeyman that could be kicked down.
They can. I remembered what I was going to ask you, because you
talked about crash retrievals, and one crash retrieval that stands out to me is
the Kesburg incident in Kesburg, Pennsylvania. People have noted that it could have
been a Nazi bell based on the eyewitness accounts. What are your thoughts on
that? Do you think that folds into the larger sye op and maybe helps
explain what's really going on, that this was some sort of time travel device
that just sort of phased back into reality in a place where it had to
be re covered rather than a controlled area like on a base in New Mexico.
Yeah. I think a lot of the reported UFO sightings and crashes are
just advanced military technology that that it's got out of hand. Maybe it's drones,
maybe it's piloted craft. Doctor Farrell has gone into the Kecksburg event event,
and I'm pretty sure he was the one that popularized the idea that the
Kecksburg craft was was the Nazi bell. I think the official report was that
it was a Russian down satellite, is what they said that it was.
But again, that can also be a crash retrieve. It doesn't have to
be a spaceship to be a crash. I think that's what a lot of
it is, though, is experimental drones, experimental aircraft that has got out
of control, that's got out of hand, and then it's crashed, and
then the people that find it don't know what it is, and they automatically
speculate that it's something extraterrestrial because they don't have the need to know, because
they're not a part of that program that was creating these craft in the first
place, so they wouldn't have the need to know what it was. So
therefore it's going to be speculation is going to be, oh, well,
must be alien extraterrestrial craft craft not from here. No. I mean a
lot of those I mean Project Paper Club has been so overdone, and I
don't really want to bring it up too much, but that's what we brought
a lot of those German scientists into the United States to do. There are
a lot of aerospace technicians, a lot of aerospace scientists and propulsion scientific And
then you go back to the scenario ur Club in the mid eighteen hundreds of
Walter Bosley's done fantastic work on You see that we've had these craft for a
really long time, and you look back at the news paper reports of that
time and the newspaper clippings. People were seeing strange craft in the sky.
It was man made, man made technology, and then it kind of dies
off for a little while, and then you get the right brothers at Kitty
Hawk and creating this plane, and then you fast forward a little bit into
World War Two. Then you have the same type of technology that was being
used for the propulsion systems in the scenario R Club to lift their craft up
off of the ground that's being used to reportedly lift the German technology up off
of the ground. So we have all these connections and all these roof and
evidence that this is man made technology that's just been taking a step further,
probably extend with some sort of ancient technology that hasn't quite been figured out yet,
and they're trying to figure it out, and they have figured it out.
And that's where the reverse engineering thing comes in too. Whenever you say
reverse engineering, people automatically in the community are like, a reverse engineered alien
technology doesn't have to be the case, dude. It could be a technology
that we didn't know about from our past that we found and we tried to
duplicate it and we think, maybe, oh well, maybe it can fly.
It's like the Wilson documents. Some people think that the Wilson Documents are
real. Half the community thinks that it's real. Half the community thinks that
it's not real, and that they're all faked. There's a lot of proof
and evidence that it's faked. But the interesting part about the Wilson documents is
that they talk about how this craft they don't know if the craft can fly.
Well, the only reason that you would not know if the craft can
fly is if it's an old, old the technology that you dug up.
And then you look at bab Bleazar's testimony, which people think that bib Bazaar
is a fraud or what it is, what it is, I don't really
care. But what he talked about was whenever he was under the impression that
at least one of the craft that he saw, he was under the impression
that it came from an archaeological date. So that answers crash retrieval question,
that answers the reverse engineering question. You know, it makes so much more
sense when you look at it critically and common sense. Like the distraction is
that again it's to hand it off on to something that you can't verify.
That makes absolutely no sense. That's a boogeyman that you can't see because it's
invisible. It's exactly like a religion, dude, it's a religion. It's
a cult. They they they they have turned extraterrestrials into Jesus. They've turned
the extraterrestrials into God. If you walk into a church today and you say,
well, if Jesus exists, if God exists, no, why can't
I see him? They're going to tell you, well, you can't see
him. Can't see him? Mark, guess he's invisible. And that's the
exact explanation that ufology will give you surrounding extra trustrians. If the universe is
so populated, Mark, why why haven't we been able to see any of
them? Because they're invisible? Mhm. It's taken on the exact same hallmarks
of religion. They have just replaced God and Jesus and Spirit with extraterrestrials.
And it's been a decades long set up with Zuchari decision and the idea of
the Annachy creating us and altering our DNA and altering our species. I mean,
everything that's been attributed to extraterrestrial involvement, we're doing to ourselves. It's
not an outside for us. It's not as a big boogeyman extraterrestrial alien.
That's the cover story that's so that humans can get away with doing this stuff
to their own people. Who's doing the genetic modification we are, right who's
introducing a new DNA strand into the to the human population? We are who's
creating human hybrids? We are with our technology, we're creating a transhumanist hybrid.
Literally everything that's been attributed to extraterrestrials and then the various extraterrestrials we're doing
to ourselves. Yeah. No, And it makes a ton of sense,
especially considering you know, this whole Western civilization is predicated on the false notion
that we're at the height of progress, We're at the height of technological you
know, sophistication, And of course they would want us all thinking that while
they secretly go back and figure out what was really going on in the old
world. Or maybe they're expecting what they're finding, right, like, maybe
they remember what happened in the old world. And I don't think it's an
accident that now on social media you see this tartaria psyop. I'll call it
being floated out there. Not that there isn't a sophisticated culture to be understood
from the old world. I just don't think it's this steampunk Russian centric thing
that everybody wants to believe in with mud floods and all that. Sure,
cataclysms have happened and resets are happening all the time, especially in the modern
day. But when it comes to you know, this idea that there's some
greater civilization here that got erased, yeah, it was the Native Americans,
you know, I mean, like we can't now replace them. Meanwhile,
they're off suffering on reservations and we're just going to pretend like a bunch of
Russian people were here, you know, two hundred years ago in a mud
flood destroyed it all, and then a bunch of Europeans came over and stole
all their buildings. I mean that essentially is what some people are saying.
And I think it plays into this weaponized folklore concept where they're trying to keep
all these different cover stories afloat, so we never really understand who we are,
why we're here, what our origins are, and of course who's actively
fighting against us, which are the powers that be under their many disguises,
And yeah, I think this is incredibly elucidating when it comes to, you
know, this technology that they might be recovering again, Like it doesn't necessarily
have to be vehicles or weapons. Even it could be things like information,
you know, like that is a technology, right. So I find what
you're saying absolutely fascinating because it really fits into this growing interest that a lot
of people have with the old world. I agree absolutely. And there are
some things that with the Tartaria stuff that is really interesting. I just had
auto didactic on and there are some really interesting things about the Tataria stuff.
And there are maps, there are real maps to say Tataria on the David
Dubaian literally went and saw these maps like leet, like real maps on the
wall and real globes that say Tataria on them, and me and autodidactic got
into the whole idea of the world's fairs. Now, I take a different
position than him. He thinks that these world's fairs were built up around the
previously establishing buildings and then it was all burnt to the ground and destroyed in
order to cover up previous civilization that had already been here. I don't think
that that was the case. I think that the World's fairs were here to
culturally move us in a new direction, because there were so many things surrounding
the World's Fairs that were introduced to the population that had never been done before.
In order to go to these World's Fairs, there are three big ones,
one Chicago, one in New York, and another one in San Francisco,
I believe, so at these World's Fairs, in order to get in,
you had to go in and you had to give your name, your
date of birth, where you'd lived, where you were from, and they
gave you this passport, this World's Fair passport right, which what do we
do today whenever we need to go places, we have to give our day
to birth or we have to submit some form of id right. That was
the first time in history that anything like that had ever happened. There were
other things that were introduced. One of the weirdest and strange things that happened
at these World's Fairs, which really boggles of my mind, which I think
is the most interesting part of this, was that there were incubators at these
Worlds Fares with babies inside of them, like rows and rows and rows of
incubators. They were all like orphan children. And it was said that fifty
million people would show up to these World's fares. At the time of these
World's Fairs, the United States population was only one hundred million people. So
you're telling me that half the United States population went to these World's fares.
Where did they all sleep? Where did they all piss? Where are they
all shit? And that they were transported by by train all these fares and
all and a lot of people came over from Europe. Tell me, all
these people came from Europe and they all made it. They all traveled in
boats, and they all made it. Not no catastrophe happened, No one
died, no one got injured, no one got killed making the trek from
Europe and the United States. And what's with all these babies? Why are
there so many orphaned babies at these World's Fairs in incubators? And then I'm
thinking, well, maybe the reset isn't about like destroying history. But if
it's not about, you know, destroying our way of life to install a
new way of life, what it's about. What if it's about like just
creating a new human What if that's the real reset? Like where did these
babies come from? That was in these incubators? You're telling me the family
members just that they're that their babies being these incubators, and they were walking
them around like that, uh, like no one had ever seen a baby
before, or like oh well this is what a baby is, this is
this is what a baby looks like. How do these people not know what
babies look like? How do they not know what a baby is? And
then I think of the you know, the Samarian Kings List and you know,
talking about how this knowledge was you know, brought down from heaven,
from the skies and like bestowed upon a king or whatever. Of this time,
I'm thinking, well, what if this isn't like a like people think
that it's really literal, like you know, something is coming down from the
sky and giving these people knowledge. And this is where the extraterrestrial thing comes
in. What if it's not that. What if it's just a new seating
of a new type of human. I think that's where we're headed today with
the we're going to get a in the next one hundred years, We're going
to have a new type of human. There's going to be a new human
on the earth. And if you create something new, you create a new
human. This is all just speculation and my personal ideas and my personal beliefs
of what's going on here and don't have any not any factual evidence besides the
incubators they really were there and these babies and incubators. But what if that's
what it is. What if it's just the seating of a new human human
two point zero? Because you create something new, then that effectively gets rid
of everything that came before it. Right, if you say you create a
new Internet, the old Internet's going to be wiped. No one's going to
know about the old Internet in the future. As fast as our technology evolves,
Apple comes out with a new phone every year that has a different freaking
port on it. I mean, look at how obsolete our technology, like
some of the old technology has become. Right, people don't use floppy disc
anymore. Come on, Mark, you got a floppy disk drive at your
house? I don't think so. Nobody's got a floppy disk drive, bro,
nobody's storing information on floppy disk drives anymore. So what happens in one
hundred years and two hundred years, three hundred years, four hundred years,
all this technology that we have now that we're using this Internet based off these
phones, the computers. What we're talking on now, is all going to
be obsolete. Even if you do manage to back up all of your information
onto a hard drive, who's to say in two hundred years that they're even
going to be able to operate that hard drive. Who's to say that they're
even going to have USB capabilities to plug that hard drive into a computer to
extract any of that information. That's exactly like what I think has happened in
the past. Yes, there were advanced technologies in the past, but they
weren't technologies like what we have today. They were different. There was something
completely different. That's why we can't figure it out because we're not working with
the same technologies that they had back then, and we just don't know how
it works. Which would be the same five hundred years, two hundred years,
whatever time you want to put on it. That's going to happen in
the future, they're gonna have something completely different, and they're gonna be looking
back on this supposed advanced technology with cell phones and computers as completely obsolete.
I mean, like, what is this. I don't know what this is.
I don't know how to work it. What's a USB drive? What's
a hard drive? I don't know what any of that is. I want
to go back to the incubator and the World's Fair because I agree with you
in this sense that they took that opportunity to mold the minds of that generation
into this new modern world. What comes along with that modern medicine and hospital
births. You also have a tremendous amount of immigration into the United States during
that period of time, and you have the Civil War going on. So
to me, I don't necessarily I don't necessarily think it's that hard to fathom
that a bunch of children would have been orphaned in that time period. You
have really rambunctious and cd urban centers like Boston, New York City, Philadelphia.
I mean, these were places where I'm sure people came from other countries,
maybe got into gambling, alcohol, whatever other drugs were available at that
time, and they had no I mean not that I'm an advocate for abortion
or anything in that sense. I mean, you know, women's choice,
it's a tricky subject, but there was none of that back then. There
was no contraception, so, you know, other than maybe a barbaric version
of an abortion right. So I feel like the idea that, oh,
where did all these orphans come from to me, isn't that far fetch?
And I think it also could have been a societally weaponized factor where they incentivized
people to abandon their children. I mean, obviously child labor laws were a
lot different back then. So and maybe it wasn't even that the parents were
willfully abandoning their children. Maybe they thought, you know, despite everything,
that their heart was telling them that it was best for the kid to leave
the family and go. And you know, times were different. My grandfather
grew up in nineteen twenties and thirties Canada, had a job at twelve years
old. You know, my grandmother was eight years old driving a tractor on
the family farm. So I am fortunate to have some sort of window into
the past to be able to kind of relate with what life was like back
then. So I wonder if you know, some of the things with the
world's fail are in a way another smoke screen to keep people from realizing how
they changed the direction of humanity with the world's fairs, things like hospitals,
modern medicine, those have fundamentally changed humanity and people before that time period,
they were having home berths, they were relying on homeopathic medicine that had been
passed down for hundreds of years, and all of that started to change.
Another thing that became a factor back then is, you know, agriculture changed
tremendously. It went from having you know, multi crop farms to monocrop farms,
and you know, that made people's lives incredibly different. They'd have to
travel to a place to get the foods that they once had available to them,
Right, I mean, this is this is the beginning of this industrialization
of the United States and Europe, and I think that is the real interest
for me personally. I could be wrong. I could be the over skeptical
one here when it comes to the World's fairs and the tartaria stuff. But
I just have a hard time buying the idea that there were all of these
fully built out stone constructions here that got basically hijacked by Europeans. If that
was the case, why aren't the Native Americans acknowledging that. Why don't we
have myths and legends from the Native Americans who talk about great cities or castles
or things like that, Right, I mean, we do have mounds,
we have other constructions that Native Americans acknowledge even things like the Newport Tower or
America's Stonehenge, things that are kind of anomalousts even still that Native Americans acknowledge.
So I have a hard time believing that unless you know what we've been
taught about Native Americans is erroneous from the base of it. Right. So,
but again, that was a big part of the World's Fair too,
this idea of eugenics and the superiority of different races. People didn't see the
world back then that way until that scientific idea of eugenics rolled out and you
could see how racism has been weaponized to divide people. I wouldn't be surprised
if if before then this kind of thing wasn't a factor. Maybe it existed
in a more tribal sort of way where people understood that others strangers held risks
and dangers with them, but they didn't judge people based on their skin for
the superficial aspects of it, right they. I think it was more of
a territorial thing in the past, and it's been changed to be misconstrued as
a as a morphological concept when it is in some ways, but it's been
weaponized, right, So, I think the World's Fair is a big reason
why we're in the modern world today, the way we have it. I
absolutely agree with that. I don't think that it had anything to do with
tearing down old buildings and racing history. I think I had everything to do
with pushing culture and indoctrination of where they wanted society to go. I mean,
they also had stage fights between Native Americans and cowboys. They had slaves
picking fake cotton, like unbelievable some of the stuff that was there. They
supposedly had suppose electric cars moving sidewalks, like all this weird and strange stuff.
And I think that that's what's going on. There's a way to push
society and culture into this new paradigm, into this new system. Yeah.
Yeah, and again I'm not saying that the history we've been taught is accurate,
but those tropes like cowboys versus Indians, Pilgrims versus Indians. You know,
they've given us these very meme versions of history, and that's weaponized.
Yeah, they don't want us to know the history of the political treaties with
all the different tribes, and how certain tribes actually have treaties that are still
honored today. With European nations right, groups of Native Americans here in the
in on North American soil who have agreements with the Dutch, or have agreements
with the King of Spain. Like, these are things that aren't really acknowledged
today, but there's a there's a physical record of these things. And I
come from somewhere on the East Coast. I think you're an East Coast guy
too, and we have four hundred years of recorded history here. In many
ways, I think that that needs to be re examined. But again,
like that's why I have some trouble with the Tartaria stuff, the Old World
theories. I am fascinated with them. I just wonder how much of it
has been manipulated to keep us away from the actual truth that you know,
in those years before fourteen ninety two, in sixteen twenty, there was a
lot of interesting things going on here in North America that they had to slowly
but surely cover up, and they used Christianity as a weapon to do that,
and then eventually they use culture as a weapon to do that. And
the World's Fairs are certainly an indoctrination process. The other thing that they smoke
screen is disaster capitalism, which still goes on today, and it definitely went
on back then. I, for one, I hear about the city's being
burned, I'm like, yeah, of course they're making so much money off
of like building this stuff and then destroying it, getting money from the insurance,
from the local governments, and then building it all again. Like this
is how they This is the the and they don't want us to know this
stuff because it still goes on today. They've extra they've you know, pushed
it to an advanced degree. Now they can steer hurricanes and use those as
actual like wrecking balls. That's a whole other topic, you know, the
weather weaponry. But I think in the insurance agencies and disaster capitalism helps explain
the world's fair great disaster situation a little bit better than this whole reset thing.
I'm again, I'm partial to that. I could be wrong, and
I'm very open to anyone who's interested in Tartaria autodidactic or or whoever to come
on the show and make a case otherwise. But as far as I see
it, like there's still so much to be learned about America and our history
and this secret history of America that to just throw in this whole thing of
like, oh yeah, no, it was all mud flooded and everything year
is new, you know. I'm just like I have a hard time going
with some of that, But again, that's the nature of what we do.
We need to be skeptical because, as you've shown us today, the
whole subject of ufology is based on some very erroneous ideas that aren't based in
anything true. That's right, And I said the almost exact same thing that
you decided to to Campbell as well. I was like, hey, like,
I really don't think that the stuff had to do anything with with Tartaria
or the mud flood anythink that there was a way to control the population in
doctor and apeople into the new world that they wanted to create. But that
doesn't mean that there isn't any weird anomalies and strange things going on there,
because there definitely was. I think it's just been taken in a completely different
direction. But yeah, I think people just need to get down to the
bottom of it, used common sense, critical thinking, and think outside of
the box. Don't be fooled by the grandiose conjecture and hyperbole that is often
touted within the community, and try your best to think for yourself and come
to your own conclusions. Well said man, Well said, And that's a
great place to pause our conversation. Of course, we're going to pick it
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now, subscribe. He's got tons of great shows and interviews with I'll say
writer, you know, I gotta give you this compliment because you interview people
who I haven't seen anyone else interview. You do your homework and you get
in touch with like key individuals that people like me just I guess gloss over.
So you're a great resource in the community. I really appreciate all the
work you do, your perspective, your your diction, and yeah, please
tell the audience what you're working on. Obviously, this Kenneth Arnold situation,
this is your new focus. But is there a place people can go to
kind of get more details on what we've talked about? Obviously Raised by Giants
your show is the main place, but where can people find it outside of
the podcast apps? You can follow me on Instagram at Raised by a Giants
pod or on Twitter I Raised by a Giants and Mark, thanks so much
for having me on brother. I really appreciate it. Wonderful conversation. I
hope people really enjoyed it. And if you'd like to check out the episodes
of course on a Raised by Giants on YouTube, there's a playlist on there
I covered. I did fourteen episodes of UFO Doomsday Cults some of the playlist,
and I've done two episodes so far of the Legends of Ufology, which
was Kenneth Arnold and Paul Benowitz. And my next thing will be we just
started shooting our second documentary, me and Jay Wider, so we'll be finishing
up finishing up shooting at the midway through next month, so and I'll be
working on that for a while. So that's going to be about Stanley Kubrick,
the Shining in MK Ultra. So I'm really looking forward to that one.
It's going to be an amazing project. It's going to be my little
baby because it's my theory, it's my idea, and I'm going to do
adjustice. So keep the keep on the lookout for that. One, my
friend, and thanks for having me on brother, I appreciate it. Yeah,
of course. And for folks who haven't heard our previous episode we did
together where Jay Widner also joined, go and check out that episode. Check
out jfk X. It's still available, uh to watch and rent right on
on Amazon. Yes, so go and check that out and look forward to
the next film. I'm excited to see you guys working together. And uh
yeah, The Shining is an interesting, interesting film. I'm sure there's tons
of stuff that even still people haven't unpacked from it. So looking forward to
that And until next time, folks, immerse yourself in the moment wherever you
are in the now,