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Ladies and gentlemen. Here we are
on My Family Thinks Some Crazy podcast and

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back again. First third time round
is Rider Lee, the man behind Raised

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by Giants. Last time I was
here, we were talking about jfk X,

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an excellent film he put together with
the great Jay Widner, and today

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we are going to be diving down
a very interesting rabbit hole. I'm excited.

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Riders is the type of guy who
sees what's going on in the world

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and takes it one step beyond.
He goes with his scalpel and he picks

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apart what most conspiracy theorists take for
granted. So I am very, very

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excited to have Rider on for this
analysis of the true origins of the Flying

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Saucer, and that might even be
mischaracterizing it without further ado, Rider,

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Welcome back to the show. For
folks who may be hearing about you for

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the first time, give us a
brief introduction and then help us segue into

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the topic we're going to be getting
into today. First off, thanks so

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much for having me on again.
Mark really appreciate it. It's good to

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see you. You're looking fancy and
snazzy today. We're kind of matching here

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today. If you're watching the video
version of this show, and yeah,

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thanks for having me on. Man. A lot of people don't really want

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to dive into this topic because it
really destroys their preconceived notions and ideas of

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what they think that UFOs and flying
saucers really are. And we've let this

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phenomenon get so far out of hand
that I one personally believe that it serves

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to make a lot of people easily
fooled by scammers and fraudsters and grifters that

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prefer the lie over the truth and
really bring no evidence or proof of what

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they're talking about. And this could
mean that any group or individual or government

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could use the myth the mythology of
UFOs and extraterrestrials that may want to destroy

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or undermine our society through the deceptiveness
and missing disinformation surrounding ufology and this current

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contact Ye movement that started with a
gentleman named Samuel Eden Thompson that literally nobody

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knows about. It was from nineteen
fifty no one talks about because they've never

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even heard of him because the story
was really overshadowed by Kenneth Arnold, which

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we're going to get in Kenneth Arnold
in his sightings in nineteen forty seven,

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but they were later on then overshadowed
by the Betty and Barney Hill story in

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nineteen sixty one, just like no
one really tends to talk about George van

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Tassel, who was the first person
to claim in contact with the Ashtar galactic

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Command in nineteen fifty two, or
George King from the Etherist Society cult,

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or Dorothy Martin from the Seekers u
a Foe called in nineteen fifty four.

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But this contact ye community and movement
has brought about what can really only be

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described as a mental illness that can
the ties and the origins of this can

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really be tracked back to the rise
in the popularization of the extraterrestrial and UFO

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myth, which it's a huge aspect
of ufology that literally no one wants to

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talk about, and it's a huge
issue, right, So yes, thanks

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for having me on. Mark really
appreciated. And if people are interested,

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you just said that I can plug, so I'm gonna do a little plug.

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I won't plug until you tell me
I can plug again. But if

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you're interested in finding my content and
my work and my research again, check

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me out on YouTube and Raised by
Giants and any and all podcast platforms or

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any of the other alternative video platforms
as well. So thanks so much for

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having me brother. Go on,
yeah, and feel free to plug whenever

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you see best. I do it
sometimes thanks to the name of my show.

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It's it's a little conversational, you
know. But anyways, you said

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something that people might already be reaching
for their phones. Hold on, rewind

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what did he just say, ufo
obductees are suffering from a mental illness.

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Let's start from the beginning. Let's
go back to even before the gentleman who

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coined the term, well, let's
say he was misquoted and the newspaper coined

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this term flying saucer. Since then, that's kind of been the carrot on

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the stick. Don't look over here, look at this shiny, dangling object

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that is the flying saucer. Right, So where do we begin? How

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do we start at the beginning of
the timeline of this, as you put

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it, this mental illness that is
sweeping the nation in the twentieth century.

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Well, it really all starts with
Kenneth Arnold in nineteen forty seven. But

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that is not where the phenomenon starts. The phenomenon tracks back probably at least

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hundreds of years in the past,
some say thousands of years. But that's

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not what we're focusing on right now. We're not focusing on the phenomenon itself.

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We're going to be focusing on the
characterization in the label of what these

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things were called, and that started
in nineteen forty seven with Kenneth Arnold.

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Now, they were shields, there
were pillars, as you know, a

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lot of people described them as flying
chariots in the past, but that is

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something completely different. And as we
get along in this conversation, you're going

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to realize that Arnold, he he's
quoted several times saying that what other people

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were seeing during that time, because
he brought about an entire wave of sightings

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other people cleaning to see the same
things that he said that he saw.

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But he never said that he saw
a flying saucer, never, not one

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time. And what he said that
other people were seeing, he said that

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other people were seeing something completely different
or nothing at all. So that's just

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you know, he's calling bullshit on
these people back in the late forties,

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and he's saying these people aren't seeing
the same thing as what I saw,

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or they're seeing nothing at all now. As I said, the phenomenon goes

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back further, but we're talking about
the title, in the labelization of what

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these crafts are, in the shape
of the craft. And I can see

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people in the comment section now saying, oh, well, it goes back

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way farther than nineteen forty seven,
which it does. But again, they

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weren't called flying saucers back then,
and Kenneth Arnold kicked off this entire idea

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and thought behind flying saucers. And
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Arnold for the people that are watching
the video. Here is Kenneth Arnold,

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and a little background on Arnold for
people that aren't familiar with who he is

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and what he is. He was
a very well respected aviator. He was

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a businessman and later on he was
a politician. He was the first person

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in modern times. Now take that
is exactly what it is modern times to

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report a strange craft in the sky. So at around three pm on June

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twenty fourth, nineteen forty seven,
Kenneth Arnold was piloting his plane in the

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skies near Mountaineer, Washington, searching
for missing marine aircraft and he witnessed a

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string of what he estimated to be
nine objects flying at around ten thousand feet.

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He said that they flew at amazing
speeds of what he also estimated to

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be fifteen one hundred miles an hour. Some people say two thousand miles an

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hour. It's a back and forth
thing, right. He said that the

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objects lacked tales and they reflected sunlight. And after witnessing these craft, he

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landed his plane in Yakima, Washington
and told his friend Al Baxter about the

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sighting. Arnold then shared a story
with other pilots at the time, and

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they said that maybe what he witnessed
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Arnold wasn't so pleased with that explanation, and not really being convinced that what

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he saw was experimental aircraft, which
we're going to get into here a little

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bit later, because he comes out
with a drawing of the craft that looks

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almost identical to what we now know
is the B two stealth bomber, but

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that's here later. So, not
being convinced by the explanations of what he

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saw by his friends and fellow pilots, he walked into a local news station

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and told his story to a gentleman
named Nolan Skiff. Now Nolan Skiff published

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a short article with the headline saying
something like impossible but seeing as believing.

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That story was then forwarded to the
Associated Press for worldwide distribution, and that

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is where the term flying saucer was
born. Now, as the story progressed

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and public interests became very popular,
the whole thing turns into a media frenzy.

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Now, when you look at Arnold's
testimony, which he did a lot

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of interviews, a lot of radio
shows, he never used the term flying

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saucer to describe the shape of the
craft. He said it was bat shaped,

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crescent shaped, boomerang shaped, and
he often sometimes referred to it with

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like a pie pant or half moon
shaped. Right, And Arnold ended up

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working very hard up until the end
of his life in nineteen eighty four to

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combat the flying saucer narrative. So
Arnold came out with sketches of the craft

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that he saw. And here's a
picture of one of the sketches that he

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drew. Doesn't look like a flying
saucer to me. It looks like exactly

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what he was saying, that it
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even for folks listening a picture batman's
batter rings, that's essentially the shape

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there, bat and boomerang shaped.
That's right, and that's those That was

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his statements, And what had happened
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published Arnold's initial story in the newspaper, said that Arnold cited nine saucer like

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aircraft. The media took the saucer
like aircraft and ran with it and created

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a bunch of different headlines saying that
Kenneth Arnold had spotted saucer shaped craft,

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when Arnold literally never referred to the
shape of the craft as saucer and shape

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bat shaped, crescent shaped, boomerang
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in one of the interviews with the
United Press he even said that he said

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that there was half moon shaped and
it was an oval in the front and

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a convex in the back, just
like his sketch depicts. Right, became

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such a frenzy topic with everyone reporting
these strange craft now, and like I

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was mentioning in the beginning of the
show, Arnold said that what everyone else

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was seeing and all the other reports
that were coming out other eyewitnesses whatever they

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were reporting was something else or nothing
at all. And another quote from Arnold

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was that he doesn't feel like they
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be labeled a strange type of aircraft
instead of flying saucers. So in April

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of nineteen fifty, Arnold comes out
and spills the beans. Right, He's

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like on this whole misrepresentation, in
this whole misquote, Arnold said in this

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interview in nineteen fifty, the objects
that he witnessed fluttered like they were boats

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on really rough water. And this
next part is the most important part of

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all where the misquote and the mistranslation
came from. He told news reporters in

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the beginning that when the saucers flew, they flew like a saucer being thrown

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across the water, and the newspapers
printed it as the shape of the craft

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was saucer and shape, when all
Arnold said was that they flew like saucers

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skipping across water. It's probably the
biggest misquote and misrepresentation of what Arnold said

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of all time, right, and
then also it underpins an incredible error on

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the part of all of ufology moved
forward because now everybody is looking for flying

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saucers and trying to explain the physics
of what essentially is a nonexistent object.

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But in fact, you know,
they've taken the physics of the craft that

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they saw and reversed it, like, oh no, instead of them knowing

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that this thing skips along whatever's up
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let's make them think that it's a
saucer, you know. And I

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mean just the image of that type
of object, the boomerang crescent shaped object,

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kind of like oscillating in that way. I mean, it defies our

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understanding and maybe rightly, so maybe
they need to cloak these sorts of things

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so that people can't reverse engineer this
technology. That's my thought, that's right.

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And you would think whenever Kenneth Arnold
came out with the drawing here's a

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picture without Kenneth Thornold in it for
the people that are watching the video portion

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of the show, you would think
that whenever he came out with the drawing

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of these crafts, that it would
just end all the flying saucer talk.

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But it didn't because it became such
a frenzy topic and the idea and the

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thought of the shape of the craft
being a flying saucer had already been singed

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into the mind of people that there
was really no turning back on it,

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right, especially when you get into
what the term flying saucer actually was,

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because this is a mind blower right
here, very perplexing and the implications of

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it. Even the people that know
about this, which I've talked about it

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on a few people's shows, and
I've done it on my show, so

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some people are definitely aware of it. And there's also a book that's written

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all about this stuff by a gentleman
named Chris Albeck. Got him on my

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show a couple of times. He's
a very interesting He's done a great research.

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He's written an entire book about this
entire subject Kenneth Thornod in his sightings

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and what the term flying saucer actually
was before it was associated with UFOs.

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His name is Chris Albeck. He's
got a book on Amazon called Sorcers,

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right, the flying saucer excuse me. The flying saucer name was first originally

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associated with a sport that predated Arnold
sightings by over sixty years, which was

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called trap shooting, which started in
the late eighteen hundreds as a way to

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train hunters and shooters where they would
release live birds from cages and use them

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as target practice. And then that
was later changed to these little clay flat

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discs named flying saucers by a man
named Charles Lewitski in eighteen eighty. He

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dubbed these little clay pigeons that are
what they're now called as clay pigeons.

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He dubbed the name flying saucers.
So I hope you guys see where this

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whole thing is going. And I
have a picture, and I get sure

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seeing this in iconic movies, I
forget if it's like Meet the Fokkers or

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one of those comedy movies where they
go trap shooting. And I think everyone's

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seen this at some point in time, whether you're a hunter or sportsman or

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not exactly. And this is what
the flying saucers look like. Looked like

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a general depiction of the popular UFO. So by the early nineteen hundreds,

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flying saucers had become a ridiculously popular
sport. There were competitions, championships,

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there's newspaper headlines saying that the skies
of North America were covered in flying saucers,

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flying through the air and exploding and
falling to Earth, which is the

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exact same type of phrases that were
used decades later with Kenneth Arnold's sightings,

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like the Roswell sightings, all the
sightings in the fifties. It's not just

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a coincidence, right, So,
by the twentieth century, the named flying

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saucer had become such a commonplace name, being used for over two decades beforehand,

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the sport of flying saucers had become
so popular it was adopted by the

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Olympics in nineteen sixteen. The number
of participants in the sport of flying saucers

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was six hundred thousand people. In
the US, they all knew the term

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of flying saucers and called these little
clay pigeons flying saucers. The military even

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adopted the flying saucers sport to train
their soldiers in target practice in the beginning

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of World War Two. I have
to put two and two together there on

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that one, because that's like literally
what has happened in modern times. The

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military has taken over the UFO narrative. It's being ran by the military,

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has been ran by three letter organizations. So the exact same thing happened before

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World War II. The military adopted
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fell out of the popularity within the
public. So war permeated trap shooting started

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to die off with people losing interest
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we have these clay pigeons being called
flying saucers since eighteen eighty, hundreds and

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thousands of people being familiar with the
term flying saucers, the military adopting the

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term and the practice in the mid
forties during World War II, and two

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years after the war ends we get
the term flying saucer, but under a

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different context. It's related to something
completely different. So what we have here,

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Mark, is the entire subject of
ufology is based on a fallacy.

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Yourthology has been using the shape of
the round disc when it was never described

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by Arnold as a disk or a
flying saucer. So we've had the shape

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wrong this entire time. For seventy
seven years. We've essentially he been telling

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and regurgitating a huge misrepresentation, a
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And I've put the challenge out on
my show. I've put the challenge

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out on other people's shows that has
been gracious enough to have me on.

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For anyone to find a quote of
Arnold saying that the shape of the craft

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was sorcerer in shape. Not what
other people said that he said, Not

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what other people quoted him as saying, because they obviously got it wrong and

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misinterpreted his words. But find me
a quote of Arnold himself saying that the

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craft that he witnessed on June twenty
fourth, nineteen forty seven was a flying

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saucer. You can't and you won't
because it doesn't exist. The flying saucer

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mythology is a lie. It's a
misnomer. It's a misinterpreted quote by the

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newspaper reporters, journalists and researchers,
and is still the most popular symbol of

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ufology to this very day, even
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Flying saucers are the basis and the
root of modern ufology. Right every conference,

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every UFO documentary, YouTube, thumbnails, I've even done it all use

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the flying saucer art. When it's
a lie. It's never what they look

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like. And you'll find you'll find
quotes that from Arnold saying, oh yeah,

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the shape of the craft was batshape
boomerang shape, shaped like a pie

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pan half moon shape. But never
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the craft was saucer and shape never
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the way that the craft moved was
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not the shape of the craft.
And it's just a coincidence. Mark.

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I might have forgot to mention this
earlier, but George Lewitski, the gentleman

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that created the sport of flying saucers, his little clay pigeons, came up

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with the term flying saucers uh sixty
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the exact same thing that Kennethornald said. He said that he got the idea

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of calling these these clay disc flying
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water. Make that one makes sense, well, and help me wrap my

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head around. I mean, you
mentioned that it looks like the B two

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stealth bomber. But if these are
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of like kind of up and down
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or a disc skipping across water,
do you think that that can tell us

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something about what's really going on here? Am I putting the cart before the

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horse? You know, what do
we what do we think about the actual

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shape and physics of what Kenneth Arnold
saw, because it seems like it they've,

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as you put it, spent a
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over this flying saucer image. And
then, as you pointed out, too

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now conveniently nobody even calls them UFOs
anymore. They just, you know,

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overnight decided we'll call them UAPs now
because of the tic tac phenomena, which

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you know, I'm sure there's questions
about that whole situation as well. We

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could get into. But when it
comes to the actual shape and the physics

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of these crafts, it seems to
fall in line more with conventional aircraft or

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maybe something that has capabilities that are
still you know, not declassified, you

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know, physics capabilities that these planes
have that we're not aware of. Possibly,

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I mean, that's a possibility.
I mean, and there's no proof

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that what Kenneth Arnold witness was a
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was just putting two and two together
by the shape of what he Drew looks

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suspiciously like a B two stealth bomber. It's not exactly, that's just my

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personal feelings and personal research on it, because it looks pretty identical. And

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maybe this craft was a prototype of
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maybe it was the first rendition of
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flying saucer narrative to cover up the
fact that they were advanced military experimental aircraft

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that they hadn't quite figured out yet, and maybe that is the reason why

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it's moving like a saucer skipping across
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out the pulsion systems of this experimental
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together in the craft that Arnold seen
being like to be too stealth bumber because

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they look pretty similar. Not that
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but Kenneth Arnold's friends and fellow pilots
during that time, that's what they

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said. They were like, you
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we're also going to get into that
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mexic Co as well. He was
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Base, and then they brought in
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that what he was seeing was extraterrestrial
craft. So it's not out of the

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realm of possibility that they could have
used the flying saucer narrative to throw people

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off track to getting them looking for
something that never existed, in order to

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effectively cover up really what's happening.
I tend to think that that's more often

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than not the explanation for some of
the more sensational and harder to believe conspiracy

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theories, alien related or otherwise even
aliens themselves. You know that it seems

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like there could be something even deeper
going on there. And you mentioned some

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abductees. Kenneth Arnold w isn't abducted, he was just an eyewitness. So

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maybe those are two entirely different instances
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of creating a smoke screen around military
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into all the stuff with MK Ultra, so I'm curious about the overlap that

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might have come about when doing this
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of what you learned about MK Ultra. It seems like that's what's going on?

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But yeah, where do we go
next? From Kenneth Arnold? How

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does this flying saucer story really start
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Well, Kenneth Arnold actually had several
sightings after his initial sightings that a

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lot of people don't really get into. They just want to sensationalize that first

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sighting. But he had many other
sightings. So some people report that he

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had eight sightings after his initial sighting. Some people say that he had eleven

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sightings. His second sighting was just
a month after his first sighting in July

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of nineteen forty seven, where he
was flying his plane from Idaho to Oregon

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and saw a cluster of about twenty
to twenty five brass colored objects that he

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said looked like ducks, and these
ones appeared to be round and rough on

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the top. He said that they
flew in like a cluster, more like

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blackbirds than ducks. But according to
Arnold, they weren't ducks. And apparently

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Arnold had taken footage of this event, and those people that had seen it

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said that they were ducks and that
they were birds, and the footage just

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gone missing, just disappeared. Into
the ether, never to be seen again.

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And I want to see it because
it was probably the best footage of

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ducks that we have ever seen or
anybody has ever captured. Right, so

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it looks like a duck, acts
like a duck, it's probably a duck.

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Right, cracks like a duck,
It's a duck. So his third

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sighting after the ducks were in nineteen
forty nine, where Arnold said that he

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saw two craft flying under his plane
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The fourth one was in nineteen fifty
and was apparently a sighting that his

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wife also seeing a craft in the
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The fifth one was in nineteen fifty
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continue to see the craft every year
after his initial sighting. You know,

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it just kind of seems like it's
a a gregoric thing, and you've probably

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seen the popularity of it. He
was like, how do I outdo myself

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from the previous one that I've seen. It's like making a sequel to a

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movie. You know, you want
to up the annie of the sequel,

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but the sequel never really compares to
their original. Let me ask you this.

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You said he was a businessman,
an aviator, and a politician.

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Did these sightings happen after he was
retired? Did these happen before he became

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a politician? When did these you
know, like, how did how did

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these sightings play into his life?
And also are there any indications prior to

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these sightings that he might have been, you know, unwell, mentally unstable,

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those sorts of indications. No,
no one really thought that he was.

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He was a very well respected man. I just think that the publicity

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of his first sighting, his initial
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and then he just started taking everyday
objects and turning them into UFOs. He

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had a fifth sighting, which was
in nineteen fifty one, and these were

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before he became a politician. He
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But in nineteen fifty one he saw
a craft in the sky near Santa

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Rose in Nevada where lights appeared close
to the ground and it was a red

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and yellow glow to them. And
what is red and yellow from the ground

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that you can see from a plane
that's on the ground. It's headlights.

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It's headlights. You're seeing some headlights
and just making things up, being to

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the UFOs of your very first sighting. The sixth sighting was in nineteen fifty

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two in California, where Arnold claimed
that he came into contact with the craft,

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which he claimed was totally transparent,
stating that he thought that they were

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all alive. This is where he
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ideas surrounding what the craft are.
He claims that they are biological entities that

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can change sheep at will, and
in twenty seventeen, his daughter Kim Arnold

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came out and made a statement about
his sighting, stating that Arnold believed that

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the craft could change density and they
were biological organisms, and he would refer

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to them as jellyfish. Which I
thought that this was really interesting because Kenneth

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Arnold back in nineteen fifty two started
referring to these craft as jellyfish. And

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right as I'm doing this research looking
into all this stuff, is right when

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the Jellyfish UFO dropped by Jimmy Corbel
on the UFO Revolution to be documentary in

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the Jellyfish UFO, I was like, Wow, this isn't a coincidence.

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I don't know what it is,
but that's wild. I was literally reading

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that article of Kenneth Arnold preparing for
my show on my YouTube channel, Legends

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of Ufology surrounding Kenneth Arnold, and
I'm reading they started calling these craft jellyfish,

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and then the jellyfish UFO dropped.
I'm like, what is going on

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here now. The seventh sighting happened
in Idaho in sixty five. Not a

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lot of information on that one.
The eighth and final sighting came to western

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July of nineteen sixty six, which
happened in Idaho Falls, where apparently hundreds

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of residents of the city apparently saw
a strange craft in the sky, including

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Arnold. They observed a what they
described as an enormous triangular craft at tremendous

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height in the sky, which turned
out to be an inverted pyramid shaped nylon

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balloon which was released the week before, which this gets into Sean Kirkpatrick,

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which is the head of Arrow,
just came out in that article and said

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that pretty much all of the sightings
since the forties have been related to military

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technology, military drones and military R
and D that has been misrepresented as UFOs

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and extraterrestrial craft. So that's what
was going on, and I kind of,

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you know, relating that to today's
times because it's really important. The

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what's really been happening is just people
are seeing drones, they're seeing balloons,

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they're seeing everyday man made objects,
and they're thinking that it's UFOs and extraterrestrial

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craft when it's not. And if
we fast forward a little bit, we

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get into Paul Benowitz and all the
events that surround him. In nineteen seventy

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nine, Paul Benowitz was a Are
you familiar with the Paul Bennowitz storysh refresh

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our memory. I have heard of
Paul Benowitz, but I don't know what

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he's associated with other than what you've
already said in this conversation. So,

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Paul Benowitz was born in Kansas.
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During World War Two, Benwitz was
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He worked as an for San Francisco
CBS station in a radio station in

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Tucson. He married his wife in
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Beinewitz moved to New Mexico and started
working in sales. He later began

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his ZWN Industrial Sales Company. In
nineteen sixty six, he acquired the rights

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to a humidity censor from a national
laboratories in Arizona. He founded a scientific

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company called Thunder Scientific, a small
business that he operated with his wife,

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Cindy, that would later develop high
tech instruments for NASA in the Air Force.

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So during the nineteen seventies, Paul
Benowitz became a member of the Arizona

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Aerial Phenomenon Research Organization, which was
a civilian UFO investigation group. And by

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the mid seventies cattle mutilations had became
very popular and associated with UFOs. So

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in nineteen seventy nine, US Eternity
R. E. Thompson and US Senator

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Harrison Schmidt held a public meeting about
cattle mutilations. The meeting was attended by

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supposedly around eighty people. One of
the attendees was Paul Benowitz. Now,

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at this meeting, at this cattle
mutilation meeting, it was pretty much ran

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by the FBI, and this is
where the targeting of well a lot of

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people say the targeting of Benowitz by
the government agents first happened. Because it

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was at this meeting that Paul Benowitz
was introduced to a highway patrol officer named

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Gabe Valdes who was investigating these incidents, which is very important for you to

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remember for later on in the story
because it's connected. So Bennowitz listed July

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nineteen seventy nine as the beginning of
a personally funded study into UFOs because Paul

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Beinowitz reportedly began filming strange lights and
recording unusual radio signals over Kirkland Air Force

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Base. So Paul Benowitz would go
out into his back patio. Kirklin Air

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Force Base was only like a half
a mile away, you could see everything

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that was going on. He said
that he would see these strange lights,

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mainly two bright lights slowly lift up
off of the ground and then zip around

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go in back behind the mountain.
So common sense and critical thinking would tell

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you that if we're seeing something strange
over a military base, then it's probably

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the military. Right. Anyone can
tell you it's the military, you know,

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Like I was mentioning earlier, these
people that are seeing these weird and

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strange things over a military base,
it's more than likely the freaking military.

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So Paul, being a radio expert, very well versed in radio technology,

404
00:42:23.840 --> 00:42:29.840
he was a World War Two veteran
using a technology for the Coastguard. He

405
00:42:29.920 --> 00:42:37.760
decided to try and listen into some
communications and radio signals from Kirkland Air Force

406
00:42:37.800 --> 00:42:40.400
Base and trying to figure out what
these strange lights were and what he was

407
00:42:40.400 --> 00:42:45.039
seeing. I was trying to figure
out if the military knew anything about it.

408
00:42:45.119 --> 00:42:49.679
Right, So he decoded a bunch
of these transmissions on his own,

409
00:42:49.719 --> 00:42:53.599
and he put together that it was
about technology and that the technology wasn't from

410
00:42:53.639 --> 00:43:01.719
here. So this began his journey
into the extra tresture around So in nineteen

411
00:43:01.800 --> 00:43:07.679
eighty, I believe in October of
nineteen eighty, Paul Beinhamwitz contacted Kirkland Air

412
00:43:07.719 --> 00:43:14.679
Force Base to give his report of
his findings, like any good citizen would

413
00:43:14.719 --> 00:43:19.320
do, right, you're seeing some
strange stuff. It's happening around the military

414
00:43:19.320 --> 00:43:22.079
base. You're getting some strange recordings
from your radio equipment that you have set

415
00:43:22.119 --> 00:43:25.800
up in your antenna above your house. You're a radio engineer. You're going

416
00:43:25.880 --> 00:43:30.039
to try and contact the military base
where you're seeing this stuff to see if

417
00:43:30.079 --> 00:43:31.239
they know anything about it, and
you can maybe give them a briefing.

418
00:43:31.320 --> 00:43:38.639
Right. So, in nineteen eighty
Paul Benewitz briefed Kirkland Air Force Base on

419
00:43:38.719 --> 00:43:44.880
what he was capturing and what he
was finding. The military personnel possibly thought

420
00:43:44.880 --> 00:43:47.880
that maybe it was a Soviet thread
or another country or someone was planning to

421
00:43:49.000 --> 00:43:53.280
possibly invade the base. To figure
out more about what Paul Beinhewitz had and

422
00:43:53.320 --> 00:43:58.679
make sure it wasn't a threat,
it put him in contact with with a

423
00:43:58.719 --> 00:44:06.840
man named Richard do Richard Doty was
an af OSI Air Force Office of Special

424
00:44:06.880 --> 00:44:12.719
Investigations and Paul not really knowing what
he had because he didn't analyze the footage

425
00:44:12.719 --> 00:44:16.639
properly. He didn't analyze the recordings
that he had properly. Richard Doty going

426
00:44:16.679 --> 00:44:22.679
to his house examining the footage that
he had of these strange lights and the

427
00:44:23.800 --> 00:44:31.119
translated communication radio transmissions that he had. Richard Doty figured out pretty quickly that

428
00:44:31.480 --> 00:44:37.920
after going and seeing the stuff,
that what he had was top secret radio

429
00:44:37.960 --> 00:44:43.559
transmissions from the Air Force base that
didn't have anything to do with extra trastrips.

430
00:44:44.280 --> 00:44:49.280
The footage that he had was top
secret experimental aircraft that the Air Force

431
00:44:49.360 --> 00:44:57.159
was working on. But Richard Doty
came in and convinced him that it was

432
00:44:57.199 --> 00:45:01.039
extra trastrips and that I had to
do with that extraterrestrial craft. Now he

433
00:45:01.039 --> 00:45:06.079
didn't outright just hell, Paul,
beIN what's this? He would just kind

434
00:45:06.079 --> 00:45:07.599
of plan a little bit of seeds, right and be like, oh,

435
00:45:07.639 --> 00:45:13.119
Paul, this you got some pretty
good stuff here, Paul. It might

436
00:45:13.199 --> 00:45:17.840
be extra treshals. You may have
you may have some communications with h extra

437
00:45:17.880 --> 00:45:21.679
trestrials at the base. You might
be getting extra tresh real craft on that

438
00:45:21.760 --> 00:45:29.400
video right that it could possibly be
from extra trestrials and ufolks. And with

439
00:45:29.440 --> 00:45:31.960
Paul being a World War Two VEX, he worked in radio communications for the

440
00:45:31.960 --> 00:45:37.280
Coast Guard during World War Two,
it's easy to convince Paul to keep quiet,

441
00:45:37.599 --> 00:45:45.320
to shut up about it, right, Like sh oh, buddy,

442
00:45:45.760 --> 00:45:52.440
but the old power. You owe
it to your country not to say anything

443
00:45:52.480 --> 00:46:00.159
about this to anyone, right,
keep all this information to yourself. But

444
00:46:00.199 --> 00:46:02.760
it wasn't just Dody that was doing
this. See, I don't put a

445
00:46:02.760 --> 00:46:07.639
lot of fault on Richard Doty.
Richard Doty was just doing his job right.

446
00:46:08.719 --> 00:46:12.880
It was all the Air Force generals. They were all in on it.

447
00:46:13.840 --> 00:46:19.199
During Paul Binowits briefing to the Air
Force after Paul showed this footage that

448
00:46:19.239 --> 00:46:22.239
he captured of this strange craft,
which was a top secret keep in mind

449
00:46:22.719 --> 00:46:30.440
it's a top secret experimental Military Air
Force aircraft. A burgadier general stood up

450
00:46:30.840 --> 00:46:35.280
and said, Paul, you got
some pretty convincing evidence there, bro What

451
00:46:35.320 --> 00:46:42.440
would you like the Air Force to
do about it? And Paul replied with

452
00:46:42.559 --> 00:46:49.519
that he wanted a grant. Paul
wanted a grant to continue to study UFOs

453
00:46:49.559 --> 00:46:57.239
on the base, and he wanted
a grant to continue his contact with aliens.

454
00:46:57.719 --> 00:47:04.280
That he claimed that he had the
contact with aliens thing really through the

455
00:47:04.360 --> 00:47:08.800
Air Force off guard, right,
And this is where it gets super freaking

456
00:47:08.880 --> 00:47:15.639
sinister and really crazy. But if
you have any questions before we get into

457
00:47:15.639 --> 00:47:20.559
that, let's roll with those.
I'm at the edge of my seat.

458
00:47:20.760 --> 00:47:23.159
I'm ready to get into it.
I've been I've been trying to keep track

459
00:47:23.280 --> 00:47:30.519
of names and important figures for questions. But no, keep keep going,

460
00:47:30.559 --> 00:47:34.679
brother, Okay, So I'm try
and pull up a picture of Paul here

461
00:47:34.719 --> 00:47:37.079
really quickly. For the people that
are watching this on video, this is

462
00:47:37.119 --> 00:47:46.800
a picture of Paul Benowitz. Here
is a picture of Richard Doughty. People

463
00:47:46.840 --> 00:47:53.599
are very probably very familiar with Richard
Doughty. So what it happened was Paul

464
00:47:53.719 --> 00:47:58.519
was picking up these signals from Kirklin
Air Force Base. He didn't really know

465
00:47:58.800 --> 00:48:07.400
that that was the case. So
what had happened was the NSA parked a

466
00:48:07.480 --> 00:48:17.320
vehicle across the street from Paul Bennowitz's
home and would directly beam radio signals into

467
00:48:17.360 --> 00:48:25.599
Paul's antenna on top of his house
to make Paul believe that he was in

468
00:48:25.719 --> 00:48:32.960
contact and in communication with Extra Treasures
and that he was getting and receiving and

469
00:48:34.000 --> 00:48:39.360
seeing the things that he thought that
he should be seen. The NSA broke

470
00:48:39.519 --> 00:48:49.559
into Paul Benowitz's house replaced his computer
with an NSA modified computer. The computer

471
00:48:49.639 --> 00:48:59.519
has software on it had NSA software
installed into the computer to decode the messages

472
00:48:59.719 --> 00:49:02.320
that were being sent to Paul in
the way that they wanted Paul to see

473
00:49:02.360 --> 00:49:12.400
them. This is how far the
miss and disinformation has gone to bringing miss

474
00:49:12.400 --> 00:49:19.679
and disinformation surrounding extraterrestrials and UFOs.
The NSA broke into Paul's home and replaced

475
00:49:19.679 --> 00:49:24.079
this freaking computer with an NSSA modified
computer to make him believe that he was

476
00:49:24.119 --> 00:49:30.239
getting messages and receiving messages from extraterrestrials, and in all of these messages that

477
00:49:30.280 --> 00:49:35.480
Paul thought that he was receiving from
extraterrestrials, which was really the NSA,

478
00:49:37.679 --> 00:49:40.480
is a lot of the exact same
theories and a lot of the exact same

479
00:49:40.519 --> 00:49:45.159
things that are still being regriticated to
this day, which is all lies and

480
00:49:45.239 --> 00:49:52.360
made up nonsense from the NSA.
The messages said that extraterrestrials were from a

481
00:49:52.400 --> 00:49:59.039
planet with no water, that they're
here for our resources, that they're here

482
00:49:59.119 --> 00:50:01.960
to take over Earth, and that
they only trusted Paul because Paul was a

483
00:50:02.079 --> 00:50:08.000
chosen one. How many channelers have
we heard talk about this. How many

484
00:50:08.039 --> 00:50:15.639
of these UFO cults have they received
information saying that they're the chosen one and

485
00:50:15.639 --> 00:50:20.760
that only they can disseminate this information
from extra treastrials. It's the exact same

486
00:50:20.840 --> 00:50:25.480
freaking thing, right, and all
kinds of other stuff, which again you

487
00:50:25.480 --> 00:50:30.719
can research it and look into Project
Beta. It details all of the things

488
00:50:30.760 --> 00:50:37.920
that the NSA was communicating to Paul
Benewitz about extraterrestrials and are still all regurgitated

489
00:50:38.039 --> 00:50:43.519
into the community to this very day, and it's completely and utterly made up

490
00:50:43.559 --> 00:50:50.679
by NSA agents. But it gets
even worse. If that wasn't bad,

491
00:50:50.800 --> 00:50:53.360
if you didn't think that was bad, it gets even worse. Okay.

492
00:50:53.400 --> 00:51:00.079
So in May of nineteen eighty,
state police in New Mexico received the report

493
00:51:00.400 --> 00:51:09.159
from a woman calling herself Myrna Henson. She was describing a story involving extraterrestrial

494
00:51:09.199 --> 00:51:14.719
aliens, bride lights, and herds
of cattle. Now, the police then

495
00:51:14.880 --> 00:51:23.960
referred her to a colleague in Dulce
named Gabe Valdiese. Now we know who

496
00:51:24.000 --> 00:51:28.960
gave valdies is. He was the
person that was introduced to Paul Bennowitz at

497
00:51:28.960 --> 00:51:37.559
that count of Mutilation conference right,
which then gave valdies then referred the Marna

498
00:51:37.559 --> 00:51:45.800
Henson case to Paul Benowitz. So
on in May of nineteen eighty, Myrna

499
00:51:45.840 --> 00:51:52.239
Henson and her son traveled to Albuquerque, New Mexico to meet with Benowitz.

500
00:51:53.519 --> 00:52:00.079
They stayed in his home. Henson
explained to Benowitz that on May nineteen eighty,

501
00:52:00.719 --> 00:52:07.440
while she was driving with her son
near a place in New Mexico,

502
00:52:07.840 --> 00:52:13.840
they had witnessed two large silent objects
approximately the size of a good Year blimp

503
00:52:13.840 --> 00:52:20.480
and looked like a good Year blimp
hovering over a meadow, looks like a

504
00:52:20.519 --> 00:52:24.760
good Year blimp, flies like a
good Year blim. It's probably a freaking

505
00:52:24.800 --> 00:52:29.920
Goodyear blimp. It's just like Kenneth
Arnold and the ducks. Right, they

506
00:52:29.960 --> 00:52:34.239
look like ducks, quack like ducks, move like ducks. They're ducks.

507
00:52:35.400 --> 00:52:43.519
They then contact a gentleman named Leo
Sprinkle, which was a psychologist and a

508
00:52:43.719 --> 00:52:50.639
professor from the University of Wyoming who
had been investigating in looking into UFO contact

509
00:52:50.719 --> 00:52:58.760
these and abductees and reports of strange
craft been wits arranged for Sprinkle to fly

510
00:52:58.920 --> 00:53:07.519
to Albuquerque to hypnotize Henson. When
Sprinkle arrived, Henson and Benowitz, this

511
00:53:07.840 --> 00:53:19.639
Myrna Henson Lady convinced Sprinkle to conduct
the regressions in his car that is parked

512
00:53:19.679 --> 00:53:27.239
inside of his garage with the windows
being covered in thick aluminum foil. Right,

513
00:53:27.639 --> 00:53:30.800
Paul's literally out of his mind at
this point, which I don't freaking

514
00:53:30.880 --> 00:53:35.239
blame the guy. Right, you
got the NSA right across the street from

515
00:53:35.239 --> 00:53:40.599
your house, stocking you beaming signals
into your antenna and your home, making

516
00:53:40.639 --> 00:53:44.719
you believe that you're in contact with
extra trestrials, which she didn't know,

517
00:53:45.119 --> 00:53:47.159
he didn't know that it was the
NSA. He thought that he was legitimately

518
00:53:47.199 --> 00:53:52.440
in communication with extraterrestrials. You got
the Air Force telling you that you're right

519
00:53:52.480 --> 00:53:58.039
about the aliens, but you can't
tell anyone. You're gonna go a little

520
00:53:58.079 --> 00:54:06.119
insane. So Sprinkle decided to He
decided to regress this woman in the pinfoil

521
00:54:06.199 --> 00:54:15.119
car and Bennowitz's garage, and all
of the regression sessions pretty much form and

522
00:54:15.280 --> 00:54:22.079
turn into the mythology of the Dulce
Base. I don't know if you're familiar.

523
00:54:22.159 --> 00:54:25.719
Are you familiar with the Dulce Base
in New Mexico with Phil Schneider and

524
00:54:27.159 --> 00:54:34.639
this contract between extraterrestrials and the military
to create this deep underground military base to

525
00:54:34.679 --> 00:54:42.360
create extraterrestrial human hybrids and vats and
babies and cloning and like all that stuff.

526
00:54:42.400 --> 00:54:46.960
I'm sure the listeners are familiar.
But this is where the mythology starts.

527
00:54:47.840 --> 00:54:54.760
Because Paul Benowitz had been going out
to Dulce and he had gotten photographs

528
00:54:55.119 --> 00:55:07.320
in some video of top secret military
activity that was happening in Dulcet. So

529
00:55:07.360 --> 00:55:13.920
they sent this MYRNA Hinson lady in
there to completely get him off track with

530
00:55:14.239 --> 00:55:20.079
making him believe that it's extraterrestial.
So Sprinkle decided to regress this woman,

531
00:55:20.239 --> 00:55:28.360
and under hypnosis, Hinson reported these
recollections of getting abducted and being taken to

532
00:55:28.679 --> 00:55:39.159
this underground base with body parts and
vats and all these tanks and humans being

533
00:55:39.559 --> 00:55:51.440
experimented on. And she also claimed
something about Roswell. Though Roswell had not

534
00:55:52.199 --> 00:56:00.920
been cemented and connected to the town
with UFO folklore yet that was no one

535
00:56:00.960 --> 00:56:07.320
had made that connection in Uphology,
which is a perfect setup for Bill Moore's

536
00:56:07.360 --> 00:56:13.280
book on Roswell called the Roswell Incident
just a few months later in October of

537
00:56:13.400 --> 00:56:22.079
nineteen eighty are here, which was
all government miss and disinformation surrounding the Roswell

538
00:56:22.119 --> 00:56:29.960
event in the Roswell Crash, which
this book popularized the myth of extraterrestrial craft.

539
00:56:30.119 --> 00:56:34.719
No one talked about the event until
this book came out. Well that's

540
00:56:34.760 --> 00:56:37.159
a big myss. No where that
I think we talked about the first time

541
00:56:37.239 --> 00:56:40.840
you were on the show, unless
someone else had talked about it with me.

542
00:56:42.000 --> 00:56:46.360
But uh yeah, Roswell really wasn't
even a thing until twenty or thirty

543
00:56:46.480 --> 00:56:51.599
years after it had occurred, and
you know, when you think about that,

544
00:56:51.719 --> 00:56:57.480
it's like, you know, of
course they can roll out some little

545
00:56:57.519 --> 00:57:01.440
story like that and make it out
to be something much bigger than it actually

546
00:57:01.719 --> 00:57:07.519
was. You know, even thinking
about the context of when it took place,

547
00:57:07.679 --> 00:57:12.599
the isolation of a place like Roswell, New Mexico in that time period,

548
00:57:13.320 --> 00:57:16.400
they could make up anything going on
over there. And you know,

549
00:57:16.480 --> 00:57:21.239
you'd probably even find some people that
would take a paycheck to go and play

550
00:57:21.239 --> 00:57:27.639
your little story and make up a
bunch of eyes. So it's really I

551
00:57:27.679 --> 00:57:32.559
love how we're undressing ufology and the
his this false history we've been given,

552
00:57:34.119 --> 00:57:38.400
because really it shows how there is
a secret history going on, a second

553
00:57:38.599 --> 00:57:43.039
history, as some authors have called
it. America has, you know,

554
00:57:43.119 --> 00:57:49.079
two histories, this public facing one
and this very private secret one that we

555
00:57:49.159 --> 00:57:53.840
are really getting into right now.
So but when you said, Leo Sprinkle,

556
00:57:53.880 --> 00:57:59.679
I'm like, first of all,
that name alone should raise red flags,

557
00:57:59.719 --> 00:58:04.239
no matter matter aware, no matter
where you find it, Leo Sprinkle,

558
00:58:04.280 --> 00:58:08.320
who names their child that? Right? And you're totally right about the

559
00:58:08.400 --> 00:58:16.800
Roswell event. It literally did not
become popular until Bill Moore's book The Roswell

560
00:58:16.840 --> 00:58:25.880
Incident which was all filled with government
miss and disinformation of a crashed extraterrestrial craft.

561
00:58:27.199 --> 00:58:31.199
And Bill Moore got up in front
of the Moufon conference in nineteen seventy

562
00:58:31.280 --> 00:58:38.960
nine and tried to tell everybody that
it's all fake, made up miss and

563
00:58:39.039 --> 00:58:46.320
disinformation from the government, government agents
like Richard Dody, and they booed him

564
00:58:46.360 --> 00:58:52.079
off of the stage. They booed
this dude off of the stage for trying

565
00:58:52.079 --> 00:58:58.559
to come out and say that all
this stuff is made up nonsense. They

566
00:58:58.559 --> 00:59:05.440
didn't want to hear it. And
that whole thing with because we're going to

567
00:59:05.480 --> 00:59:09.880
get into a little bit more here
in a minute about how the lore has

568
00:59:09.920 --> 00:59:14.840
taken on a life of its own
and Paul Bennowitz's going to these other people

569
00:59:14.880 --> 00:59:19.159
and telling him, telling them all
of this missing disinformation and how that's just

570
00:59:19.199 --> 00:59:23.519
been regurgitated and just changed slightly over
the years and turned into something that was

571
00:59:23.559 --> 00:59:32.760
completely made up. Right, But
really quickly back to the Myrna Henson story

572
00:59:32.840 --> 00:59:37.039
and this Paul Bennowitz set up,
because that's exactly what it is. It

573
00:59:37.079 --> 00:59:42.480
was a setup with this lady Myrna
Henson to get the law and the mythology

574
00:59:42.480 --> 00:59:47.639
you're rolling because they knew Paul Bennowitz
would tell everyone and this would snowball into

575
00:59:47.639 --> 00:59:53.679
a bunch of nonsense. Right,
So Henson, along with claiming to see

576
00:59:53.719 --> 01:00:05.760
this large Goodyear blimp like craft she
also received, she also said that she

577
01:00:05.880 --> 01:00:13.360
recalled having been given an implant while
she was abducted by these aliens. Here's

578
01:00:13.760 --> 01:00:22.239
we're all the alien implant lore comes
from everything literally comes from this duke being

579
01:00:22.280 --> 01:00:30.760
fed missing disinformation from the NSSA,
the Air Force in this military agent Myrna

580
01:00:30.840 --> 01:00:37.119
Henson. Right, this was before
John Mack, This was before Whitley Strieber.

581
01:00:37.440 --> 01:00:43.119
This was before all of these people
that came in and popularized everything that

582
01:00:43.159 --> 01:00:50.320
had been told by Paul Benowitz to
all these people. Right. So Sprinkle

583
01:00:50.480 --> 01:00:59.039
returned to visit Benowitz to then perform
another regression with Hinson to figure out more

584
01:00:59.360 --> 01:01:05.239
made up nonsense, I guess,
and he found Benowitz. He was basically

585
01:01:05.280 --> 01:01:07.519
out of his mind. He was
armed with a pistol and a rifle,

586
01:01:09.199 --> 01:01:15.039
saying that he was concerned for his
life, that he was going to be

587
01:01:15.079 --> 01:01:22.360
attacked by aliens. These people were
literally driving Paul Benowitz out of his mind

588
01:01:23.480 --> 01:01:28.480
to the point where he thought that
he was going to be attacked by aliens,

589
01:01:28.679 --> 01:01:31.079
that the aliens were going to come
down with the tractor beams and kill

590
01:01:31.119 --> 01:01:38.840
him. It's actually a very sad
story here, but it's important to go

591
01:01:39.079 --> 01:01:45.679
over. And Benowitz armed up with
all of his guns and his tenfoil to

592
01:01:45.960 --> 01:01:51.400
protect him and his family. And
this Myrna Hanson lady that was sent to

593
01:01:51.480 --> 01:01:59.360
him by gay Vadies and Benowitz thinking
that Sprinkle was an alien or whatever he

594
01:01:59.440 --> 01:02:05.039
thought that he was, he told
him to leave and then he contacted a

595
01:02:05.159 --> 01:02:13.960
hypnotherapist by the name of James Harder. Now, James Harder was popular in

596
01:02:14.159 --> 01:02:22.000
the UFO and contact the community because
he was the person that did the hypnotic

597
01:02:22.159 --> 01:02:28.320
regression on Travis Walton in nineteen seventy
five, which I'm going to I'm going

598
01:02:28.320 --> 01:02:32.599
to do a whole episode on Travis
Walton because I'm just going to go down

599
01:02:32.800 --> 01:02:37.400
the row of all of these people
that have popularized the UFO lore myth.

600
01:02:37.880 --> 01:02:45.199
But Ben Whitzen James Harder came to
the conclusion that Myrna Henson was under the

601
01:02:45.280 --> 01:02:53.280
influence of alien tractor beams and they
wrote these detailed instructions on how to use

602
01:02:53.440 --> 01:03:01.119
aluminum foil to shield themselves, right. This is literally where all the tinfoil

603
01:03:01.159 --> 01:03:07.480
has stuff comes from. No one
has any idea that it came from the

604
01:03:07.480 --> 01:03:14.519
government, missing disinformation surrounding Paul Benewitz, convincing him that what he was seeing

605
01:03:14.599 --> 01:03:19.320
was extra trestrials when it was advanced
military craft, believing that he was in

606
01:03:19.360 --> 01:03:27.280
communication with extra trestrials through risk computer
when it was really the nssay So gave

607
01:03:27.360 --> 01:03:37.039
Valdi's son later on commented on the
whole Myrna Henson story basically said that it

608
01:03:37.079 --> 01:03:43.679
was a big operation because there was
listening devices, tracking devices that was found

609
01:03:43.760 --> 01:03:50.639
on gave In gave Valdis's home,
and he said he basically came out and

610
01:03:50.679 --> 01:04:00.840
said that it was a very well
orchestrated up and that was pretty easy for

611
01:04:01.119 --> 01:04:08.559
them to pull off. And it's
very difficult to figure out anything about Myrna

612
01:04:08.840 --> 01:04:16.719
Henson because Myrna Henson is also the
name of a famous actress and a model.

613
01:04:16.880 --> 01:04:21.559
So when you type in Marna Henson
into Google, all you're going to

614
01:04:21.639 --> 01:04:30.519
get is this famous actress and model
who won Miss USA in nineteen fifty three,

615
01:04:30.360 --> 01:04:35.280
So it's practically impossible to figure out
who she was. But I'm willing

616
01:04:35.320 --> 01:04:41.360
to bet, willing to bet money. She was sent by the intelligence community

617
01:04:41.400 --> 01:04:45.400
directly to paulbin Witz. And it's
the perfect cover too. You use the

618
01:04:45.480 --> 01:04:51.000
name of somebody that is famous,
so you can cover up anybody actually doing

619
01:04:51.000 --> 01:04:57.760
any researching to set individual. But
now we get into the full swing of

620
01:04:57.920 --> 01:05:01.440
this Dulce base. The mythology and
all the rumors and the theories and the

621
01:05:01.480 --> 01:05:08.599
speculation of the Deluxe Space all started
because of the information that was given to

622
01:05:08.639 --> 01:05:15.679
Paul Beinomwitz by government miss and disinformation
Air Force special agents and this military or

623
01:05:15.719 --> 01:05:20.719
government agent or whoever she was,
Myrna Hanson. So December of nineteen eighty

624
01:05:20.719 --> 01:05:30.519
one, Paul Beinowitz sent a letter
to US Senator Schmidt and explained that he

625
01:05:30.639 --> 01:05:40.400
knew the location of the alien base
in northern New Mexico, northeast of Dulce

626
01:05:40.519 --> 01:05:44.519
in New Mexico, and he knew
someone in the military that had made a

627
01:05:44.559 --> 01:05:50.199
deal with the aliens several years ago, giving them the land and the cattle

628
01:05:50.400 --> 01:06:01.320
and the apparent security of safety to
trade the alien technology to them for the

629
01:06:01.400 --> 01:06:08.599
land, the cattle, and the
abduction of humans. And another thing that

630
01:06:08.679 --> 01:06:16.639
was talked about in there was that
the technology that supposedly the aliens gave the

631
01:06:16.679 --> 01:06:25.760
military was thirty years behind the current
alien technology. And we've heard that repeated

632
01:06:26.679 --> 01:06:32.360
so many times throughout the community that
it's unbelievable, but it's all missing disinformation.

633
01:06:32.400 --> 01:06:40.559
So in nineteen eighty four, Paul
Benewitz again referred to this Dulcet base

634
01:06:40.639 --> 01:06:47.000
in this conflict between the extraterrestrials and
the military that then led to the closure

635
01:06:47.079 --> 01:06:54.599
of this Dulcet base, which is
later regurgitated by people like John Lear,

636
01:06:55.800 --> 01:07:00.760
Bill Cooper and who I was mentioning
earlier, Phil Schneider. And now we

637
01:07:00.880 --> 01:07:03.920
understand where all these thoughts and these
ideas and these theories come from, where

638
01:07:03.920 --> 01:07:10.679
all these stories come from. That
that's what Bill Cooper always talked about in

639
01:07:10.719 --> 01:07:15.960
the mid eighties, which popularized the
entire myth in the legends that a contract

640
01:07:15.039 --> 01:07:21.239
was signed between the government and extraterrestrials
in exchange for technology. Bill Cooper just

641
01:07:21.400 --> 01:07:28.480
added that it was Eisenhower that made
the contract and saled the deal has changed

642
01:07:28.480 --> 01:07:33.800
it just slightly. And Phil Schneider
is a whole other story which I'm going

643
01:07:33.840 --> 01:07:42.199
to be covering in the future.
But by nineteen eighty two. Bennwits then

644
01:07:42.400 --> 01:07:48.199
started contacting other UFO researchers like Linda
Moultenhowe, John Lear, Senators, Harrison

645
01:07:48.599 --> 01:07:55.440
Schmidt, and began to spread this
idea and these theories and these speculations regarding

646
01:07:55.480 --> 01:08:02.559
the Dulce base to others in the
ufology community, and boom, UFO mythology

647
01:08:03.000 --> 01:08:10.960
that came directly from the NSSA and
what I believe was an intelligence agent and

648
01:08:11.199 --> 01:08:17.520
Marna Henson and Air Force agents was
born. Wow. All of this is

649
01:08:18.119 --> 01:08:26.119
covered and is very well documented.
It was documented in detailed in a UFO

650
01:08:26.199 --> 01:08:32.720
conspiracy book named Clear Intent The Government
cover Up of UFO Experience. It was

651
01:08:32.760 --> 01:08:42.800
also documented in George Clinton Andrews book
Dulce Based Legends of Extraterrestrials among Us,

652
01:08:43.159 --> 01:08:49.239
and also in a nineteen eighty eight
story entitled UFO Base Found in New Mexico.

653
01:08:51.239 --> 01:09:00.840
Then in ninety nine, the Albuquerque
Tribune featured a mention of Paul and

654
01:09:00.319 --> 01:09:09.600
Cindy's Paul's wife their fiftieth anniversary.
Paul Benowitz passed away in June of two

655
01:09:09.640 --> 01:09:15.279
thousand and three. It was also
documented in the two thousand and five book

656
01:09:15.319 --> 01:09:21.199
called Project Beta. The story of
Paul Benowitz's national security in the creation of

657
01:09:21.239 --> 01:09:31.800
the modern UFO myth. Mark Pickerington's
book about the project, which also detailed

658
01:09:31.800 --> 01:09:39.600
it, details the entire thing,
called Mirajemn, which was published in twenty

659
01:09:39.800 --> 01:09:46.239
ten. Then the book was adopted
into a twenty thirteen documentary under the same

660
01:09:46.319 --> 01:09:58.039
title called Mirajeman, where former Special
Agent of the Air Force Richard Dody is

661
01:09:58.079 --> 01:10:06.359
on camera saying out in the nineteen
eighties he was tasked with hoaxing documents and

662
01:10:06.479 --> 01:10:15.520
feeding false information to UFO researchers including
Linda muldenhow Bill Moore, and Paul Benowitz.

663
01:10:15.960 --> 01:10:23.760
Wow, you think it's fair to
say this constitutes an invisible war against

664
01:10:23.800 --> 01:10:30.079
the American public. That's what it
seems like. Boogeyman, and you always

665
01:10:30.119 --> 01:10:34.720
need a boogeyman. Yeah, well, and it's a great veil for their

666
01:10:34.760 --> 01:10:40.800
covert operations against the American public.
I mean, I was just having a

667
01:10:40.840 --> 01:10:49.520
conversation recently with someone who talked about
explicitly documents from the CIA calling it invisible

668
01:10:49.560 --> 01:10:55.880
World War three, and how they
were using chemicals in different types of warfare

669
01:10:56.239 --> 01:11:02.279
against the American public. This seems
like psychological war. It seems like manipulation.

670
01:11:02.439 --> 01:11:10.279
It's also it's interesting because so many
people who get attracted to this research,

671
01:11:10.960 --> 01:11:19.399
I think don't necessarily understand the risks
psychologically that go along with spreading this

672
01:11:19.560 --> 01:11:25.079
information. You know, you as
a you know, researcher, myself as

673
01:11:25.279 --> 01:11:30.640
a researcher, you know, we
walk into these subjects with a bit of

674
01:11:30.960 --> 01:11:36.720
separation in the sense that you know, we understand our position in relation to

675
01:11:36.760 --> 01:11:43.640
the material, whereas I think some
people, you know, maybe through movies,

676
01:11:43.880 --> 01:11:47.600
maybe through you know, things on
the internet, they get attracted to

677
01:11:47.720 --> 01:11:54.239
these notions that they they've been implanted, or they have memories that have been

678
01:11:54.279 --> 01:11:59.520
erased and it you know, again, like the title of my show is

679
01:11:59.520 --> 01:12:02.520
my family thinks I'm crazy. So
I don't want to come off like I'm

680
01:12:02.840 --> 01:12:09.199
you know, not being respectful to
my audience in the sense that I understand

681
01:12:09.199 --> 01:12:13.479
there are people who who have,
you know, really crazy things going on

682
01:12:13.560 --> 01:12:15.520
in their life. And you know, when when you say, oh,

683
01:12:15.560 --> 01:12:18.640
you're just crazy, I mean you're
you're being gas lit. Right. We're

684
01:12:18.680 --> 01:12:24.279
not saying that, we're saying,
hey, step back and re examine these

685
01:12:24.600 --> 01:12:29.000
notions that you know, there are
aliens manipulating you. I mean I've seen

686
01:12:29.079 --> 01:12:31.840
it myself in my personal life,
even before I ever did the podcast.

687
01:12:31.920 --> 01:12:36.159
I've met people who, you know, they were off the deep end,

688
01:12:38.239 --> 01:12:41.760
and I was interested in what they're
saying because they were, you know,

689
01:12:41.920 --> 01:12:45.880
using like references and keywords that I'm
familiar with, but it fit into their

690
01:12:46.000 --> 01:12:51.239
per whatever their unique schizophrenia was,
right, I mean, that's and it

691
01:12:51.319 --> 01:12:57.039
was really unfortunate to see someone so
brilliant who was caught up in these really

692
01:12:58.039 --> 01:13:02.640
strange notions of aliens controlling their life
and putting them in the position that they're

693
01:13:02.680 --> 01:13:05.960
in. And yeah, when you
think about it like that, and how

694
01:13:06.000 --> 01:13:14.039
these ideas become weaponized and can initiate
this process of self destruction in a person's

695
01:13:14.079 --> 01:13:16.960
mind, then you start to see
it in its true form that oh,

696
01:13:16.960 --> 01:13:23.079
okay, this is a psychological war
against us, these these alien ideas,

697
01:13:23.119 --> 01:13:26.800
these you know, the people who
you know put on a tinfoil hat,

698
01:13:26.880 --> 01:13:30.840
right like I have. I have
a hat with Faraday fabric on the inside.

699
01:13:30.920 --> 01:13:36.239
You know, nowadays, I think
it's perfectly reasonable to wear something like

700
01:13:36.279 --> 01:13:41.399
that, now that we know about
Wi Fi signals and all this stuff.

701
01:13:42.039 --> 01:13:50.399
But you know, that notion was
used again to mock and uh, alienate,

702
01:13:51.319 --> 01:13:56.560
no pun intended. Anyone who got
interested in this type of material,

703
01:13:56.600 --> 01:13:59.840
they'd say, Oh, you're a
tinfoil hat where you're a crazy person.

704
01:14:00.319 --> 01:14:05.159
And that's exactly why Sam named the
show tinfall Hat, you know what it

705
01:14:05.279 --> 01:14:08.800
is, because you know, he's
like, oh, we need to take

706
01:14:09.279 --> 01:14:14.840
this back and empower the fact that
no people are realizing something's really going on

707
01:14:14.920 --> 01:14:18.720
and they're not crazy for it,
right, So it works towards the military's

708
01:14:19.359 --> 01:14:26.880
advantage when there's this atmosphere of confusion, when they can easily pin the blame

709
01:14:27.039 --> 01:14:33.479
on the victim, who themselves is
in fact delusional, but they're only delusional

710
01:14:33.520 --> 01:14:41.760
in the sense that they aren't accurately
assessing what is happening to them, right,

711
01:14:42.159 --> 01:14:45.560
And I think that's the big distinction
here with this conversation. We're not

712
01:14:45.640 --> 01:14:49.319
saying people are mentally ill and everything
that's alien is an illusion, it's all

713
01:14:49.359 --> 01:14:54.720
made up for no reason. We're
saying that it's being weapony. At least

714
01:14:54.760 --> 01:14:58.479
that's what I'm saying. But please
write or correct clear that up, because

715
01:14:58.640 --> 01:15:02.359
I think that's a really important distinction
to make here. Right. Yes,

716
01:15:03.039 --> 01:15:12.199
weaponized folklore, weponized folklore is what
I call it. And it's easy to

717
01:15:12.239 --> 01:15:19.680
manipulate people into false stories and mythology
when you create the false stories in the

718
01:15:19.760 --> 01:15:27.279
mythology. And it doesn't help that
over half the population is on some form

719
01:15:27.319 --> 01:15:33.960
of pharmaceutical medication. And that's a
statistic from twenty fourteen, two, twenty

720
01:15:34.039 --> 01:15:42.720
sixteen, right accurate, accurate reading, I believe was forty eight percent of

721
01:15:42.960 --> 01:15:49.079
the United States population is on some
form of pharmaceutical medication. And where did

722
01:15:49.119 --> 01:15:57.000
those pharmaceutical medications come from? They
came from the mk Ultra programs. Wasn't

723
01:15:57.119 --> 01:16:04.199
just wasn't just els, the it
wasn't just mushrooms. It tested anti psychotics

724
01:16:04.199 --> 01:16:11.720
on people, They tested antidepressants on
people, They tested amphetamine, adderall riddling,

725
01:16:12.760 --> 01:16:19.199
all before it hit the public.
So you couple that in with these

726
01:16:19.439 --> 01:16:26.520
frequencies that you're talking about that you
would want to protect yourself with a Faraday

727
01:16:26.840 --> 01:16:33.880
cap or some form of protection around
your head. You couple that with the

728
01:16:33.920 --> 01:16:42.800
pharmaceutical medication and the things that we're
putting into our body. They can they

729
01:16:42.800 --> 01:16:48.800
don't necessarily have to do this to
you individually anymore. You do it from

730
01:16:48.840 --> 01:16:56.000
a distance, right, because your
defenses are already low. That's why I

731
01:16:56.039 --> 01:16:59.239
don't believe in any kind of regression. That's why I don't believe in any

732
01:16:59.319 --> 01:17:06.359
kind of hypnosis. Hypnosis has been
hijacked from the original purpose of what hypnosis

733
01:17:06.399 --> 01:17:13.079
is supposed to do. Hypnosis is
supposed to be therapeutic. It's supposed to

734
01:17:13.079 --> 01:17:15.760
go back and like help you get
over things, like help you get over

735
01:17:15.800 --> 01:17:23.880
addictions, help you get over some
form of traumatic event that happened to you

736
01:17:24.119 --> 01:17:28.399
in your past, so that you
can heal from it. But we've turned

737
01:17:29.520 --> 01:17:38.359
regression into figuring out about abductions,
figuring about it about aliens, right being

738
01:17:38.399 --> 01:17:45.680
abducted by UFOs, when that was
never the intended purpose of it. It's

739
01:17:45.680 --> 01:17:50.359
been hijacked. And guess what,
when you think that you've been abducted or

740
01:17:50.359 --> 01:17:55.760
has some kind of encounter with extraterrestrials, you go to a regressionist that's a

741
01:17:55.760 --> 01:18:00.800
part of this community. Guess what
You're going to find your pain them to

742
01:18:00.880 --> 01:18:05.359
tell you that you've been abducted by
alien and that you've been experimented on.

743
01:18:08.039 --> 01:18:15.039
The UFO flew over your house with
they freaking came out of the walls and

744
01:18:15.079 --> 01:18:20.119
abducted you when you were twelve.
That's what you're paying them to do.

745
01:18:21.840 --> 01:18:26.680
That's what their job is to do. And so we have all of these

746
01:18:27.479 --> 01:18:32.600
different things that are hitting us from
all different angles twenty four to seven.

747
01:18:32.640 --> 01:18:39.000
And it's hard to dissect each and
every one of these things because there's so

748
01:18:39.119 --> 01:18:45.000
much going on that it just turns
into a freaking hind layered dip, dude,

749
01:18:45.239 --> 01:18:47.960
And got to keep digging down into
that dip and get to the bottom.

750
01:18:48.039 --> 01:18:54.760
Get to those bottom beans, dude, those freaking refried beans at the

751
01:18:54.760 --> 01:19:00.199
bottom. It once you get down
into those things start to make a lot

752
01:19:00.640 --> 01:19:05.920
more sense. And when I'm referring
to mental illness, I'm referring to mental

753
01:19:05.920 --> 01:19:17.159
illness as the symptom of drug use. That's what I'm referring to mental illness

754
01:19:17.279 --> 01:19:29.640
is it is a sub it's a
sub effect of drug use, like methamphetamine,

755
01:19:30.960 --> 01:19:38.079
like adderall retilin, like things of
that nature. Right, You're going

756
01:19:38.079 --> 01:19:45.319
into a psychosis, is what it
is. And they basically did that with

757
01:19:45.319 --> 01:19:54.520
Paul Benowitz, but not with the
drug factor. They just put him out

758
01:19:54.520 --> 01:20:00.239
of his mind with all these theories
and all these uh and a couple the

759
01:20:00.319 --> 01:20:08.560
drug use with these fantastic theories and
these all these conspiracies in the mythology of

760
01:20:08.600 --> 01:20:13.479
it, and people are under the
influence of that drug, they're going to

761
01:20:14.680 --> 01:20:21.560
believe it when it was never that
to begin with. R That's what I'm

762
01:20:21.560 --> 01:20:29.880
referring to as with the mental illness
aspect of this. The mental illness comes

763
01:20:30.000 --> 01:20:38.399
from the drug aspect. I've worked
in mental health hospitals. I've seen people

764
01:20:40.960 --> 01:20:46.800
get into a drug psychosis, like
just out of their mind, thinking that

765
01:20:46.840 --> 01:20:54.079
there's not even from they're not even
from the area. They've traveled across ten

766
01:20:55.239 --> 01:20:59.039
five ten states to get what they're
where they're at, and they're thinking that

767
01:20:59.079 --> 01:21:01.880
the government is tracked them, that
the government's going to kill them, and

768
01:21:02.239 --> 01:21:06.239
that there's a man in a hoodie
in the backyard that has a gun.

769
01:21:06.319 --> 01:21:13.399
If he walks outside, he's going
to be shot. Now, their delusions,

770
01:21:13.439 --> 01:21:23.760
and it can be tracked back to
one trauma to drug use and wild

771
01:21:23.960 --> 01:21:30.159
and uh speculations and theories and mythology. You mix those up together, then

772
01:21:30.239 --> 01:21:35.840
you have a perfect recipe for things
happening that didn't really happen in your mind,

773
01:21:35.880 --> 01:21:40.399
tricking you into believing something that happened
that didn't really happen. And that's

774
01:21:40.439 --> 01:21:47.279
exactly what they did during the MK
Ultra programs. It traumatized them, They

775
01:21:47.359 --> 01:21:56.000
drugged them, they psychically drove them, They implanted memories that weren't real into

776
01:21:56.039 --> 01:22:01.520
their head. It's the exact same
thing. They've been doing it since the

777
01:22:01.520 --> 01:22:10.680
fifties when you made a really great
point when you said that there aren't there

778
01:22:10.840 --> 01:22:15.199
isn't a necessity to work on the
individual. They've got it to the point

779
01:22:15.520 --> 01:22:20.239
where they can work on us on
a mass scale. And that, again,

780
01:22:20.279 --> 01:22:25.319
as you're saying just now, is
due to the drugs, right.

781
01:22:25.520 --> 01:22:30.439
And you know, as somebody who
attributes my own personal enlightenment to cannabis,

782
01:22:30.560 --> 01:22:39.119
I you know, I think it's
a fine line. I don't necessarily perceive

783
01:22:39.359 --> 01:22:44.159
cannabis as a drug in the same
way some of the harder substances are.

784
01:22:44.399 --> 01:22:47.760
I wonder your your perspective on that
where you think cannabis fits into it all.

785
01:22:48.000 --> 01:22:51.840
But I think when people you know, listening to this conversation, who

786
01:22:51.920 --> 01:22:57.159
are you know, well versed in
the UFO lore or well versed in the

787
01:22:57.199 --> 01:23:00.720
alien lore, they might be thinking, well, okay, I can understand

788
01:23:00.760 --> 01:23:03.880
how the military can affect just a
few people. They have, you know,

789
01:23:04.159 --> 01:23:10.600
they have the capacity to put an
operation together and affect these individuals that

790
01:23:10.840 --> 01:23:15.039
have become famous in the ufology community. That makes sense, But they couldn't

791
01:23:15.159 --> 01:23:20.359
possibly have, you know, they
can't possibly have, you know, caused

792
01:23:20.399 --> 01:23:27.680
every single UFO sighting or every single
alien sighting. And I wonder if at

793
01:23:27.680 --> 01:23:30.760
this point, if it's not really
necessary for them to be there at every

794
01:23:30.880 --> 01:23:38.720
single one. They just need to
create this sort of atmosphere of confusion around

795
01:23:38.760 --> 01:23:44.560
these subjects. And also, you
know, as you put it so brilliantly

796
01:23:44.640 --> 01:23:51.880
weaponized folklore, it sort of plays
out in this predestined way when these instances

797
01:23:51.960 --> 01:23:58.239
take place, whether it's you know, accidentally stumbling upon some military operation,

798
01:23:58.520 --> 01:24:03.039
witnessing some military that you're not supposed
to. When these folks identify themselves,

799
01:24:03.199 --> 01:24:12.279
there's a protocol in place to basically, you know, disinfect any potential of

800
01:24:12.319 --> 01:24:15.920
them getting the truth out there or
acknowledging what's really going on. Right,

801
01:24:16.000 --> 01:24:23.680
It's like a protocol to sort of
d what's the right word, discredit,

802
01:24:24.079 --> 01:24:28.199
you know, because you can you
can pull someone you know, they identify

803
01:24:28.239 --> 01:24:31.399
themselves as someone who's seen something they're
not supposed to, and then you pull

804
01:24:31.439 --> 01:24:36.840
them out of the crowd and make
them into this pariah and they go down

805
01:24:36.880 --> 01:24:42.399
this path of self destruction. Is
it's like they don't even need to be

806
01:24:42.520 --> 01:24:46.840
really in the mix at that point. They can kind of, you know,

807
01:24:46.960 --> 01:24:51.640
be more efficient in there. In
there, you know, control paradigm

808
01:24:51.640 --> 01:24:56.119
at I hope I'm not just kind
of rambling. Does that make any sense?

809
01:24:57.000 --> 01:25:00.479
It makes sense. I think that
the example that I would get is

810
01:25:00.000 --> 01:25:08.119
what we covered here tonight with Kenneth
Arnold and the misrepresentation and the mis quote

811
01:25:08.119 --> 01:25:13.520
from Flying Saucers. It took on
a life of its own. Everyone started

812
01:25:13.600 --> 01:25:18.439
seeing flying Saucers now, just like
Bud Hopkins in his book Missing Time.

813
01:25:18.760 --> 01:25:24.520
After that book came out, everyone
started experiencing missing time or thinking that they

814
01:25:24.600 --> 01:25:29.960
experienced missing time. He also developed
this thought in this idea of screened memories.

815
01:25:30.920 --> 01:25:32.880
Then people thought, oh, well, I need to get a regression

816
01:25:32.920 --> 01:25:36.800
to go back in time to see
if that is really what I experienced,

817
01:25:36.920 --> 01:25:44.399
or maybe it wasn't what I experienced. It's exactly like with Willie Streeber and

818
01:25:44.600 --> 01:25:48.720
his book Communion and the Gray Aliens. No one talked about gray aliens before

819
01:25:48.720 --> 01:25:54.680
that book came out. Very few
people talked about great aliens. But as

820
01:25:54.680 --> 01:26:03.279
soon as the book came out,
everyone started seeing gray aliens. It's I've

821
01:26:03.279 --> 01:26:08.159
explained this many times, and I'm
sure I've explained it on your show before

822
01:26:08.199 --> 01:26:14.560
as well, that it's agregor.
It's an agregoric reality. When you put

823
01:26:14.560 --> 01:26:18.399
your thoughts and your energy and your
beliefs into you see more of that in

824
01:26:18.439 --> 01:26:24.840
your reality. So all it has
to do is get enough people to actually

825
01:26:24.880 --> 01:26:30.279
believe in it, and then that
regardless if it's real or not, it

826
01:26:30.279 --> 01:26:32.439
gives it a life, It gives
it substance, it gives it weight,

827
01:26:34.359 --> 01:26:41.439
and that's exactly what has happened with
Paul Benewits as well. It gets all

828
01:26:41.439 --> 01:26:47.560
this miss and disinformation from the military, all the missing disinformation from the NSA,

829
01:26:48.920 --> 01:26:56.079
all the missing disinformation from the what
I think is a intelligence agent and

830
01:26:56.680 --> 01:27:02.000
Rena Henson. Then he regurgitates the
story to other people. Those other people

831
01:27:03.039 --> 01:27:09.079
believe it, they repeat it.
Those people that heard those people from the

832
01:27:09.119 --> 01:27:13.199
repeated story, hear them talk about
it. They believe it, and then

833
01:27:14.600 --> 01:27:17.960
you no longer need to do anything
else. I mean, Richard Dody in

834
01:27:18.039 --> 01:27:27.000
the documentary Mirage Man was saying that
he uh a lot of the things that

835
01:27:27.720 --> 01:27:34.720
he blatantly fed miss and disinformation to
people about he goes to these conferences and

836
01:27:34.760 --> 01:27:39.319
he hears the exact same thing that
he's talking that he told of these people.

837
01:27:41.520 --> 01:27:45.840
It just takes on a life of
his own. And once you've planned

838
01:27:45.880 --> 01:27:51.119
that seed, that little bit of
disinformation to one person, not one person,

839
01:27:51.159 --> 01:27:57.079
gets other people to believe in it, then you no longer need to

840
01:27:57.079 --> 01:28:00.319
do anything else. You just set
back and you let the mythology and the

841
01:28:00.359 --> 01:28:08.000
speculation and the theories just compound upon
themselves. I mean, you get people

842
01:28:08.960 --> 01:28:16.800
every day on some show talking about
a contract with aliens. The government assigned

843
01:28:16.800 --> 01:28:20.920
this contract with aliens, when there's
no proof, there's no evidence, and

844
01:28:20.960 --> 01:28:28.720
we now know that it was made
up missing disinformation, that it wasn't real,

845
01:28:30.039 --> 01:28:36.560
but people are still acting like it's
real and they're regurgitating it because the

846
01:28:36.600 --> 01:28:45.640
lie and the made up missing disinformation
is way more popular than the real thing.

847
01:28:46.279 --> 01:28:53.319
People don't want to have these types
of conversations that we're having here today

848
01:28:53.359 --> 01:29:01.000
because it's not fantastical, it's not
mythology. It doesn't confirm the preconceived notions

849
01:29:01.039 --> 01:29:08.520
about extraterrestrials and aliens and the universe
being so populated and all this advanced technology

850
01:29:08.520 --> 01:29:14.199
and these med beds and this anti
gravity craft. It brings it all down

851
01:29:14.239 --> 01:29:23.920
to earth, brings it down to
a level where it's understandable. People like

852
01:29:23.960 --> 01:29:30.319
the fairy tales because it's not because
you can't explain the fairy tales, so

853
01:29:30.439 --> 01:29:35.479
that's their mind, you know,
go off in that direction, which just

854
01:29:35.600 --> 01:29:43.239
fuels more speculation, more theories,
and more nonsense. But that's pretty much

855
01:29:43.239 --> 01:29:48.479
how it goes. It's as simple
as that. You just plant an idea

856
01:29:49.920 --> 01:30:00.920
in someone's head. Then you watch
that idea like root up like a plant.

857
01:30:01.039 --> 01:30:06.960
You don't have to do anything anymore, no longer have to actively spread

858
01:30:08.840 --> 01:30:15.920
missen disinformation anymore, because the people
in the community do it for you,

859
01:30:15.960 --> 01:30:21.960
right right, Yeah, And then
new generations of researchers look up to those

860
01:30:23.039 --> 01:30:29.680
folks who are spreading disinformation. And
what do you make of today's current wave

861
01:30:29.800 --> 01:30:38.079
of UFO or UAP talking heads.
I mean, there's the David Grush character,

862
01:30:38.439 --> 01:30:45.439
there's the Lou Alesondo character, there's
of course the whole nonsense with Tom

863
01:30:45.560 --> 01:30:51.560
DeLong. It definitely seems more blatant
at this stage in the game, maybe

864
01:30:51.600 --> 01:30:57.920
to those who are maybe as jaded
as us or as informed as us when

865
01:30:57.920 --> 01:31:01.159
it comes to how deep this eye
ops go. But do you think that

866
01:31:01.920 --> 01:31:12.560
they're maybe maintaining that original disinformation campaign
now with this new wave of UAP stuff.

867
01:31:15.359 --> 01:31:20.560
I think a lot of them have
been fooled by the same people that

868
01:31:20.880 --> 01:31:30.359
were fooling Paul Benewitz. That's what
I think. The mythology and everything has

869
01:31:30.399 --> 01:31:40.840
gotten so out of hand that these
top people that are basically in charge of

870
01:31:42.319 --> 01:31:50.800
disclosure also believe it. I mean, that's that's how far it's gone,

871
01:31:51.119 --> 01:31:56.720
and they're just as fooled as everyone
else. And it proves it with the

872
01:31:57.239 --> 01:32:00.960
Sean ka Patrick, he was ahead
of Arrow, came out in that article

873
01:32:00.960 --> 01:32:09.640
and said, I have seen no
existence of extraterrestrials. It's the military,

874
01:32:10.760 --> 01:32:20.319
it's military craft, it's military R
and D, it's drones. And the

875
01:32:20.359 --> 01:32:26.640
community just pushes back on that and
say, oh, you're a disinformationalist,

876
01:32:26.960 --> 01:32:29.880
you're one of them, You're you're
working for the government. Of course you

877
01:32:29.880 --> 01:32:34.279
would come out and say that none
of the extraterrestrials don't exist. Of course

878
01:32:34.319 --> 01:32:41.800
you would. They've been telling you
that extraterrestrials don't exist since the very beginning.

879
01:32:44.479 --> 01:32:50.119
They've been saying it, and they've
never said otherwise ever. Now they

880
01:32:50.159 --> 01:32:57.760
came out inside, Yeah, UFOs
exist, which is now UAPs, which

881
01:32:57.840 --> 01:33:01.840
is another name change from flying saucerers, from flying officers to UFOs now to

882
01:33:02.560 --> 01:33:10.079
UAPs, which was came out with
Hillary Clinton. She's the first person on

883
01:33:10.159 --> 01:33:14.279
the I think it was Jimmy Kimball
or one of those late night talk shows,

884
01:33:14.319 --> 01:33:17.000
and they asked her the UFO question
and she said, oh, well,

885
01:33:17.039 --> 01:33:21.640
we don't call them UFOs anymore.
They're called UAPs. And that's also

886
01:33:21.760 --> 01:33:28.920
a way to where people can't go
back and look at the history of any

887
01:33:29.000 --> 01:33:31.640
of this stuff, right, because
if you do a four your request,

888
01:33:31.920 --> 01:33:39.159
you say, please send me any
information that you have on UFOs, they'll

889
01:33:39.159 --> 01:33:43.640
write you a letter back and say, we don't have any information on UFOs.

890
01:33:44.640 --> 01:33:47.640
There is no information on UFOs.
You have to type in, you

891
01:33:47.640 --> 01:33:54.680
have to write them a letter that
says UAPs. Then they'll get back with

892
01:33:54.760 --> 01:34:03.000
you on UAPs. So it's been
the they've said since the beginning that it

893
01:34:03.039 --> 01:34:11.840
doesn't have anything to do with extraterrestrials. They've never confirmed that extraterrestrials exist.

894
01:34:12.600 --> 01:34:18.880
They've never confirmed that UFOs are extraterrestrials. They've just come out and said,

895
01:34:18.920 --> 01:34:24.159
oh yeah, yeah, by the
way, UFOs are, they're real,

896
01:34:24.279 --> 01:34:31.000
and they outmaneuver all of our craft, which is what they've been seeing since

897
01:34:31.039 --> 01:34:38.720
the very beginning. It's no different, it's the exact same thing, but

898
01:34:38.760 --> 01:34:45.000
people have had it programmed in their
head for so long and associated extraterrestrials in

899
01:34:45.119 --> 01:34:49.720
alien life with the UFOs. So
whenever the Pentagon comes on and says,

900
01:34:50.079 --> 01:34:56.920
oh, yeah, by the way, UFOs exist, people take that to

901
01:34:57.039 --> 01:35:04.560
mean that extra that they're confirming that
extraterrestrials also exist, when they have never

902
01:35:04.560 --> 01:35:13.039
said it ever. So that's a
giant misnomer as well. And I think

903
01:35:13.039 --> 01:35:16.159
that the whole crash retrieval thing is
a giant misnomer too, along with the

904
01:35:16.159 --> 01:35:27.720
flying saucer thing. Crasher Triebal can
take on a host of meanings. Crasher

905
01:35:27.720 --> 01:35:35.279
Treble can be a downsideite, It
can be a blimp, be anything in

906
01:35:35.319 --> 01:35:39.640
the air. It could be a
crashed helicopter. It could be a crashed

907
01:35:39.640 --> 01:35:47.000
airplane. But better yet, it
can be something from our ancient past.

908
01:35:48.199 --> 01:35:56.199
They could go to let's say me
and you right now, you just hop

909
01:35:56.199 --> 01:36:00.479
in an airplane. This is just
an example, me and you, Mark

910
01:36:00.600 --> 01:36:06.920
b Opal, we hop in an
airplane. We fly to Iraq or Afghanistan,

911
01:36:08.039 --> 01:36:13.319
or Saudi Arabia or wherever wherever in
the Middle East. We decided to

912
01:36:13.359 --> 01:36:18.520
do a archaeological dick. We have
a whole team of people, we do

913
01:36:18.560 --> 01:36:30.960
an archaeological dig and we discover some
strange technology that would also be a crash

914
01:36:30.000 --> 01:36:39.520
retrieval. Doesn't matter how far back
in the past it is, it would

915
01:36:39.520 --> 01:36:44.079
still be titled under what it's considered
to be a crash retrieval. But the

916
01:36:44.119 --> 01:36:49.159
problem is, whenever you say crash
retrieval, people automatically associate that term with

917
01:36:49.239 --> 01:36:54.479
like modern times. They think,
oh, well, it's crash retrieval,

918
01:36:55.600 --> 01:36:59.960
must have happened soon. It must
have happened in the past seventy years,

919
01:37:00.079 --> 01:37:04.039
seventy five years or one hundred years
or whatever it's in very recent times,

920
01:37:04.159 --> 01:37:09.880
or someone saw the craft fall to
the ground out of the sky, or

921
01:37:10.239 --> 01:37:18.199
they saw it on radar and they
went and retrieved the craft. When that

922
01:37:18.239 --> 01:37:24.640
doesn't have to be the case one
it can be like I said, crash

923
01:37:24.680 --> 01:37:29.800
satellites, just like the satellites the
UFOs that happened last year that they were

924
01:37:29.800 --> 01:37:32.600
like, oh yeah, there's several
UFOs has been shot down all across the

925
01:37:32.680 --> 01:37:36.359
United States. It turned out to
be Chinese spy satellites, right, but

926
01:37:36.560 --> 01:37:45.439
it was still unidentified, still an
unidentified aerial phenomenon or you know, UFO.

927
01:37:46.399 --> 01:37:50.800
So they can play with these words
all that they want, and these

928
01:37:50.840 --> 01:37:59.600
words have a whole host of meaning. And I think that if any quote

929
01:37:59.680 --> 01:38:05.840
unquote crash retrieval has actually happened,
it's from hundreds, hundreds, if not

930
01:38:06.159 --> 01:38:15.199
thousands of years ago that was dug
up in an archaeological dig. That makes

931
01:38:15.279 --> 01:38:26.800
way more sense than something in modern
times because I am under the speculation and

932
01:38:27.000 --> 01:38:31.760
theory that if extraterrestrials exist, they're
not from off the planet. If another

933
01:38:31.800 --> 01:38:39.880
species other than us exist, they're
from here. They're also from Earth.

934
01:38:41.359 --> 01:38:45.840
They've been here, and that's going
to be the next direction that I think

935
01:38:45.840 --> 01:38:53.520
that this phenomenon takes on, which
is my personal speculation, in my personal

936
01:38:53.680 --> 01:38:57.520
theory, I don't have any facts
or evidence that this is the way that

937
01:38:57.560 --> 01:39:02.079
it's going to go, but I
just see it coming further down to Earth.

938
01:39:02.239 --> 01:39:06.800
Right, We're gonna start seeing craft
come out of the ocean, craft

939
01:39:06.840 --> 01:39:15.520
go into the ocean. There's gonna
be a realignment of the phenomenon, and

940
01:39:15.560 --> 01:39:21.479
that's going to be centered around the
ocean. That's going to bring about a

941
01:39:21.600 --> 01:39:35.840
whole new wave of theories and speculation
around extraterrestrial bases underneath the ocean. Yeah,

942
01:39:35.880 --> 01:39:43.199
And I mean if they did or
were to place some sort of you

943
01:39:43.199 --> 01:39:45.560
know, thing under the ocean,
who would notice? You know, they

944
01:39:45.600 --> 01:39:50.600
could they could make up anything in
some secret lab, throw it in the

945
01:39:50.600 --> 01:39:53.720
ocean, and then a few years
later be like, oh, look what

946
01:39:53.800 --> 01:39:58.479
we found in the ocean. You
know, like nobody's keeping track of what's

947
01:39:58.640 --> 01:40:01.439
you know, dumped on the ocean
floor, especially when it comes to when

948
01:40:01.479 --> 01:40:05.560
the military is dumping it. They
have free reign. So wow, that's

949
01:40:05.680 --> 01:40:14.119
that's incredible. And I'm just now
I'm trying to backtrack to the question I

950
01:40:14.159 --> 01:40:18.239
was thinking of this time. Well, when it comes to your thoughts on

951
01:40:18.640 --> 01:40:24.680
extraterrestrials, you did sort of just
answer my question there that I was going

952
01:40:24.760 --> 01:40:33.680
to ask you. But when it
comes to abductions, all alien abductions are

953
01:40:33.680 --> 01:40:39.880
therefore military abductions, right, I
mean, this is this is again what

954
01:40:40.359 --> 01:40:45.399
we're not saying that these things don't
happen, and they're all just imaginated by

955
01:40:45.439 --> 01:40:49.439
the people who claim to be victims. But it's rather that the alien premise

956
01:40:49.520 --> 01:40:54.479
is being used as a cover up
to cover up the fact that people are

957
01:40:55.039 --> 01:40:59.600
abducted by the military. Right.
Have you looked into any of those instances

958
01:41:00.239 --> 01:41:04.239
like Betty and Barney Hill where they
purported to be taken onto one of these

959
01:41:04.319 --> 01:41:14.319
crafts. Well, that's one of
the other explanations that people like Stephen Greer

960
01:41:14.760 --> 01:41:18.159
talk about. And I'm going to
say what you want about Stephen Greer.

961
01:41:18.199 --> 01:41:26.479
He was one of the first people
that I'd ever actually heard talk about military

962
01:41:26.680 --> 01:41:33.920
abductions, that these people would dress
up as aliens and abduct people and make

963
01:41:33.960 --> 01:41:42.479
them believe that they were being abducted
by extraterrestrials. But I think that that

964
01:41:42.680 --> 01:41:47.199
is what a lot of this is. And I think that if people were

965
01:41:47.239 --> 01:41:59.760
to really figure out if they're being
truthful in their testimony that they were actually

966
01:42:00.079 --> 01:42:05.279
abducted, then if they try and
think a little bit harder, I think

967
01:42:05.319 --> 01:42:13.319
that they will come to the conclusion
that it was the military. I mean,

968
01:42:13.319 --> 01:42:19.039
that's what Kathy O'Brien said several times. She's an ultra survivor She says

969
01:42:19.039 --> 01:42:28.800
that there's a alien program, like
an alien mk ultra program to where the

970
01:42:28.840 --> 01:42:35.680
military are abducting people and they're making
them believe that it's aliens because you can't

971
01:42:35.680 --> 01:42:41.760
do anything about aliens, right,
Aliens are so much more advanced. Their

972
01:42:41.760 --> 01:42:46.960
technologies is at a whole other level
than ours. Well, and it's also

973
01:42:46.960 --> 01:42:51.079
an intangible boogeyman, right, I
mean, they could, they could tell

974
01:42:51.159 --> 01:42:56.000
us all this nation or another nation
is the bad guy. But eventually it

975
01:42:56.000 --> 01:42:58.319
comes to a point where all right, well we have to go and blow

976
01:42:58.359 --> 01:43:02.039
them to smithereens. And that's tends
to be what happens. But once that

977
01:43:02.359 --> 01:43:08.439
country is, you know, folded
into the globalist order, you know,

978
01:43:08.800 --> 01:43:15.399
it's the boogeyman's gone too. So
maybe it seems like this is a perpetual

979
01:43:15.920 --> 01:43:20.319
political football, you know, a
perpetual boogeyman that could be kicked down.

980
01:43:20.359 --> 01:43:26.479
They can. I remembered what I
was going to ask you, because you

981
01:43:26.560 --> 01:43:31.560
talked about crash retrievals, and one
crash retrieval that stands out to me is

982
01:43:31.640 --> 01:43:40.119
the Kesburg incident in Kesburg, Pennsylvania. People have noted that it could have

983
01:43:40.199 --> 01:43:45.119
been a Nazi bell based on the
eyewitness accounts. What are your thoughts on

984
01:43:45.159 --> 01:43:49.600
that? Do you think that folds
into the larger sye op and maybe helps

985
01:43:49.640 --> 01:43:54.800
explain what's really going on, that
this was some sort of time travel device

986
01:43:54.920 --> 01:43:59.600
that just sort of phased back into
reality in a place where it had to

987
01:43:59.600 --> 01:44:04.680
be re covered rather than a controlled
area like on a base in New Mexico.

988
01:44:05.680 --> 01:44:12.159
Yeah. I think a lot of
the reported UFO sightings and crashes are

989
01:44:12.479 --> 01:44:17.800
just advanced military technology that that it's
got out of hand. Maybe it's drones,

990
01:44:17.880 --> 01:44:25.520
maybe it's piloted craft. Doctor Farrell
has gone into the Kecksburg event event,

991
01:44:25.560 --> 01:44:29.279
and I'm pretty sure he was the
one that popularized the idea that the

992
01:44:29.520 --> 01:44:41.319
Kecksburg craft was was the Nazi bell. I think the official report was that

993
01:44:41.399 --> 01:44:48.640
it was a Russian down satellite,
is what they said that it was.

994
01:44:49.640 --> 01:44:55.439
But again, that can also be
a crash retrieve. It doesn't have to

995
01:44:55.439 --> 01:45:01.720
be a spaceship to be a crash. I think that's what a lot of

996
01:45:01.760 --> 01:45:09.239
it is, though, is experimental
drones, experimental aircraft that has got out

997
01:45:09.239 --> 01:45:12.640
of control, that's got out of
hand, and then it's crashed, and

998
01:45:12.680 --> 01:45:16.880
then the people that find it don't
know what it is, and they automatically

999
01:45:16.920 --> 01:45:21.239
speculate that it's something extraterrestrial because they
don't have the need to know, because

1000
01:45:21.239 --> 01:45:26.560
they're not a part of that program
that was creating these craft in the first

1001
01:45:26.560 --> 01:45:30.600
place, so they wouldn't have the
need to know what it was. So

1002
01:45:30.640 --> 01:45:34.479
therefore it's going to be speculation is
going to be, oh, well,

1003
01:45:35.439 --> 01:45:44.159
must be alien extraterrestrial craft craft not
from here. No. I mean a

1004
01:45:44.199 --> 01:45:46.319
lot of those I mean Project Paper
Club has been so overdone, and I

1005
01:45:46.399 --> 01:45:49.520
don't really want to bring it up
too much, but that's what we brought

1006
01:45:49.560 --> 01:45:53.720
a lot of those German scientists into
the United States to do. There are

1007
01:45:53.720 --> 01:46:00.279
a lot of aerospace technicians, a
lot of aerospace scientists and propulsion scientific And

1008
01:46:00.279 --> 01:46:03.000
then you go back to the scenario
ur Club in the mid eighteen hundreds of

1009
01:46:03.039 --> 01:46:08.960
Walter Bosley's done fantastic work on You
see that we've had these craft for a

1010
01:46:09.000 --> 01:46:12.840
really long time, and you look
back at the news paper reports of that

1011
01:46:12.960 --> 01:46:15.600
time and the newspaper clippings. People
were seeing strange craft in the sky.

1012
01:46:15.720 --> 01:46:19.720
It was man made, man made
technology, and then it kind of dies

1013
01:46:19.760 --> 01:46:24.000
off for a little while, and
then you get the right brothers at Kitty

1014
01:46:24.079 --> 01:46:27.279
Hawk and creating this plane, and
then you fast forward a little bit into

1015
01:46:27.319 --> 01:46:30.560
World War Two. Then you have
the same type of technology that was being

1016
01:46:30.640 --> 01:46:35.840
used for the propulsion systems in the
scenario R Club to lift their craft up

1017
01:46:35.840 --> 01:46:44.159
off of the ground that's being used
to reportedly lift the German technology up off

1018
01:46:44.199 --> 01:46:49.840
of the ground. So we have
all these connections and all these roof and

1019
01:46:50.680 --> 01:46:58.640
evidence that this is man made technology
that's just been taking a step further,

1020
01:46:59.279 --> 01:47:08.399
probably extend with some sort of ancient
technology that hasn't quite been figured out yet,

1021
01:47:08.560 --> 01:47:12.199
and they're trying to figure it out, and they have figured it out.

1022
01:47:12.279 --> 01:47:15.880
And that's where the reverse engineering thing
comes in too. Whenever you say

1023
01:47:15.880 --> 01:47:20.079
reverse engineering, people automatically in the
community are like, a reverse engineered alien

1024
01:47:20.079 --> 01:47:28.640
technology doesn't have to be the case, dude. It could be a technology

1025
01:47:28.640 --> 01:47:31.479
that we didn't know about from our
past that we found and we tried to

1026
01:47:31.600 --> 01:47:34.800
duplicate it and we think, maybe, oh well, maybe it can fly.

1027
01:47:35.560 --> 01:47:39.680
It's like the Wilson documents. Some
people think that the Wilson Documents are

1028
01:47:39.920 --> 01:47:42.920
real. Half the community thinks that
it's real. Half the community thinks that

1029
01:47:42.920 --> 01:47:45.760
it's not real, and that they're
all faked. There's a lot of proof

1030
01:47:45.800 --> 01:47:48.439
and evidence that it's faked. But
the interesting part about the Wilson documents is

1031
01:47:48.840 --> 01:47:54.000
that they talk about how this craft
they don't know if the craft can fly.

1032
01:47:55.880 --> 01:47:58.119
Well, the only reason that you
would not know if the craft can

1033
01:47:58.159 --> 01:48:00.560
fly is if it's an old,
old the technology that you dug up.

1034
01:48:00.560 --> 01:48:05.159
And then you look at bab Bleazar's
testimony, which people think that bib Bazaar

1035
01:48:05.279 --> 01:48:09.119
is a fraud or what it is, what it is, I don't really

1036
01:48:09.159 --> 01:48:14.039
care. But what he talked about
was whenever he was under the impression that

1037
01:48:14.119 --> 01:48:19.119
at least one of the craft that
he saw, he was under the impression

1038
01:48:19.159 --> 01:48:30.159
that it came from an archaeological date. So that answers crash retrieval question,

1039
01:48:30.319 --> 01:48:36.199
that answers the reverse engineering question.
You know, it makes so much more

1040
01:48:36.239 --> 01:48:43.920
sense when you look at it critically
and common sense. Like the distraction is

1041
01:48:43.960 --> 01:48:49.600
that again it's to hand it off
on to something that you can't verify.

1042
01:48:49.880 --> 01:48:56.079
That makes absolutely no sense. That's
a boogeyman that you can't see because it's

1043
01:48:56.119 --> 01:48:59.560
invisible. It's exactly like a religion, dude, it's a religion. It's

1044
01:48:59.560 --> 01:49:09.520
a cult. They they they they
have turned extraterrestrials into Jesus. They've turned

1045
01:49:09.520 --> 01:49:15.039
the extraterrestrials into God. If you
walk into a church today and you say,

1046
01:49:15.560 --> 01:49:20.079
well, if Jesus exists, if
God exists, no, why can't

1047
01:49:20.079 --> 01:49:26.079
I see him? They're going to
tell you, well, you can't see

1048
01:49:26.119 --> 01:49:31.960
him. Can't see him? Mark, guess he's invisible. And that's the

1049
01:49:32.159 --> 01:49:42.199
exact explanation that ufology will give you
surrounding extra trustrians. If the universe is

1050
01:49:42.560 --> 01:49:45.560
so populated, Mark, why why
haven't we been able to see any of

1051
01:49:45.600 --> 01:49:55.159
them? Because they're invisible? Mhm. It's taken on the exact same hallmarks

1052
01:49:55.279 --> 01:50:02.439
of religion. They have just replaced
God and Jesus and Spirit with extraterrestrials.

1053
01:50:02.479 --> 01:50:12.000
And it's been a decades long set
up with Zuchari decision and the idea of

1054
01:50:12.039 --> 01:50:18.399
the Annachy creating us and altering our
DNA and altering our species. I mean,

1055
01:50:18.600 --> 01:50:29.199
everything that's been attributed to extraterrestrial involvement, we're doing to ourselves. It's

1056
01:50:29.199 --> 01:50:31.720
not an outside for us. It's
not as a big boogeyman extraterrestrial alien.

1057
01:50:32.119 --> 01:50:42.920
That's the cover story that's so that
humans can get away with doing this stuff

1058
01:50:42.920 --> 01:50:50.600
to their own people. Who's doing
the genetic modification we are, right who's

1059
01:50:50.600 --> 01:50:59.439
introducing a new DNA strand into the
to the human population? We are who's

1060
01:50:59.479 --> 01:51:10.760
creating human hybrids? We are with
our technology, we're creating a transhumanist hybrid.

1061
01:51:12.359 --> 01:51:19.960
Literally everything that's been attributed to extraterrestrials
and then the various extraterrestrials we're doing

1062
01:51:19.960 --> 01:51:28.840
to ourselves. Yeah. No,
And it makes a ton of sense,

1063
01:51:28.960 --> 01:51:34.000
especially considering you know, this whole
Western civilization is predicated on the false notion

1064
01:51:34.119 --> 01:51:41.640
that we're at the height of progress, We're at the height of technological you

1065
01:51:41.680 --> 01:51:45.760
know, sophistication, And of course
they would want us all thinking that while

1066
01:51:45.760 --> 01:51:53.000
they secretly go back and figure out
what was really going on in the old

1067
01:51:53.039 --> 01:51:58.319
world. Or maybe they're expecting what
they're finding, right, like, maybe

1068
01:51:58.359 --> 01:52:02.000
they remember what happened in the old
world. And I don't think it's an

1069
01:52:02.039 --> 01:52:08.520
accident that now on social media you
see this tartaria psyop. I'll call it

1070
01:52:09.199 --> 01:52:14.399
being floated out there. Not that
there isn't a sophisticated culture to be understood

1071
01:52:14.439 --> 01:52:18.640
from the old world. I just
don't think it's this steampunk Russian centric thing

1072
01:52:18.760 --> 01:52:24.880
that everybody wants to believe in with
mud floods and all that. Sure,

1073
01:52:25.039 --> 01:52:30.520
cataclysms have happened and resets are happening
all the time, especially in the modern

1074
01:52:30.600 --> 01:52:38.159
day. But when it comes to
you know, this idea that there's some

1075
01:52:38.279 --> 01:52:44.640
greater civilization here that got erased,
yeah, it was the Native Americans,

1076
01:52:44.920 --> 01:52:49.479
you know, I mean, like
we can't now replace them. Meanwhile,

1077
01:52:49.520 --> 01:52:54.800
they're off suffering on reservations and we're
just going to pretend like a bunch of

1078
01:52:54.880 --> 01:52:59.319
Russian people were here, you know, two hundred years ago in a mud

1079
01:52:59.359 --> 01:53:02.319
flood destroyed it all, and then
a bunch of Europeans came over and stole

1080
01:53:02.359 --> 01:53:06.760
all their buildings. I mean that
essentially is what some people are saying.

1081
01:53:06.800 --> 01:53:14.039
And I think it plays into this
weaponized folklore concept where they're trying to keep

1082
01:53:14.279 --> 01:53:18.399
all these different cover stories afloat,
so we never really understand who we are,

1083
01:53:18.640 --> 01:53:24.760
why we're here, what our origins
are, and of course who's actively

1084
01:53:25.000 --> 01:53:30.560
fighting against us, which are the
powers that be under their many disguises,

1085
01:53:30.159 --> 01:53:36.479
And yeah, I think this is
incredibly elucidating when it comes to, you

1086
01:53:36.520 --> 01:53:44.359
know, this technology that they might
be recovering again, Like it doesn't necessarily

1087
01:53:44.399 --> 01:53:49.920
have to be vehicles or weapons.
Even it could be things like information,

1088
01:53:50.279 --> 01:53:55.479
you know, like that is a
technology, right. So I find what

1089
01:53:55.520 --> 01:54:01.800
you're saying absolutely fascinating because it really
fits into this growing interest that a lot

1090
01:54:01.840 --> 01:54:10.920
of people have with the old world. I agree absolutely. And there are

1091
01:54:10.960 --> 01:54:19.119
some things that with the Tartaria stuff
that is really interesting. I just had

1092
01:54:19.319 --> 01:54:27.439
auto didactic on and there are some
really interesting things about the Tataria stuff.

1093
01:54:27.439 --> 01:54:31.520
And there are maps, there are
real maps to say Tataria on the David

1094
01:54:31.560 --> 01:54:38.760
Dubaian literally went and saw these maps
like leet, like real maps on the

1095
01:54:38.760 --> 01:54:45.520
wall and real globes that say Tataria
on them, and me and autodidactic got

1096
01:54:45.560 --> 01:54:47.720
into the whole idea of the world's
fairs. Now, I take a different

1097
01:54:47.760 --> 01:54:53.560
position than him. He thinks that
these world's fairs were built up around the

1098
01:54:53.680 --> 01:54:58.920
previously establishing buildings and then it was
all burnt to the ground and destroyed in

1099
01:54:59.039 --> 01:55:02.119
order to cover up previous civilization that
had already been here. I don't think

1100
01:55:02.119 --> 01:55:06.720
that that was the case. I
think that the World's fairs were here to

1101
01:55:06.760 --> 01:55:13.600
culturally move us in a new direction, because there were so many things surrounding

1102
01:55:14.119 --> 01:55:18.399
the World's Fairs that were introduced to
the population that had never been done before.

1103
01:55:18.720 --> 01:55:23.359
In order to go to these World's
Fairs, there are three big ones,

1104
01:55:23.359 --> 01:55:29.119
one Chicago, one in New York, and another one in San Francisco,

1105
01:55:29.199 --> 01:55:32.359
I believe, so at these World's
Fairs, in order to get in,

1106
01:55:32.399 --> 01:55:35.000
you had to go in and you
had to give your name, your

1107
01:55:35.039 --> 01:55:39.079
date of birth, where you'd lived, where you were from, and they

1108
01:55:39.119 --> 01:55:44.439
gave you this passport, this World's
Fair passport right, which what do we

1109
01:55:44.560 --> 01:55:47.479
do today whenever we need to go
places, we have to give our day

1110
01:55:47.520 --> 01:55:53.079
to birth or we have to submit
some form of id right. That was

1111
01:55:53.119 --> 01:55:58.720
the first time in history that anything
like that had ever happened. There were

1112
01:55:58.800 --> 01:56:02.039
other things that were introduced. One
of the weirdest and strange things that happened

1113
01:56:02.079 --> 01:56:11.319
at these World's Fairs, which really
boggles of my mind, which I think

1114
01:56:11.359 --> 01:56:16.359
is the most interesting part of this, was that there were incubators at these

1115
01:56:16.359 --> 01:56:20.960
Worlds Fares with babies inside of them, like rows and rows and rows of

1116
01:56:21.119 --> 01:56:30.239
incubators. They were all like orphan
children. And it was said that fifty

1117
01:56:30.319 --> 01:56:33.520
million people would show up to these
World's fares. At the time of these

1118
01:56:33.560 --> 01:56:39.199
World's Fairs, the United States population
was only one hundred million people. So

1119
01:56:39.239 --> 01:56:45.399
you're telling me that half the United
States population went to these World's fares.

1120
01:56:45.119 --> 01:56:48.279
Where did they all sleep? Where
did they all piss? Where are they

1121
01:56:48.319 --> 01:56:57.399
all shit? And that they were
transported by by train all these fares and

1122
01:56:57.479 --> 01:57:00.199
all and a lot of people came
over from Europe. Tell me, all

1123
01:57:00.279 --> 01:57:10.199
these people came from Europe and they
all made it. They all traveled in

1124
01:57:10.319 --> 01:57:18.800
boats, and they all made it. Not no catastrophe happened, No one

1125
01:57:18.960 --> 01:57:24.680
died, no one got injured,
no one got killed making the trek from

1126
01:57:25.399 --> 01:57:30.560
Europe and the United States. And
what's with all these babies? Why are

1127
01:57:30.600 --> 01:57:36.359
there so many orphaned babies at these
World's Fairs in incubators? And then I'm

1128
01:57:36.359 --> 01:57:46.039
thinking, well, maybe the reset
isn't about like destroying history. But if

1129
01:57:46.039 --> 01:57:51.319
it's not about, you know,
destroying our way of life to install a

1130
01:57:51.359 --> 01:57:56.800
new way of life, what it's
about. What if it's about like just

1131
01:57:56.880 --> 01:58:02.399
creating a new human What if that's
the real reset? Like where did these

1132
01:58:02.399 --> 01:58:05.800
babies come from? That was in
these incubators? You're telling me the family

1133
01:58:05.800 --> 01:58:13.560
members just that they're that their babies
being these incubators, and they were walking

1134
01:58:13.600 --> 01:58:16.239
them around like that, uh,
like no one had ever seen a baby

1135
01:58:16.279 --> 01:58:20.720
before, or like oh well this
is what a baby is, this is

1136
01:58:21.039 --> 01:58:26.079
this is what a baby looks like. How do these people not know what

1137
01:58:26.119 --> 01:58:30.640
babies look like? How do they
not know what a baby is? And

1138
01:58:30.680 --> 01:58:34.880
then I think of the you know, the Samarian Kings List and you know,

1139
01:58:35.000 --> 01:58:44.279
talking about how this knowledge was you
know, brought down from heaven,

1140
01:58:44.399 --> 01:58:51.359
from the skies and like bestowed upon
a king or whatever. Of this time,

1141
01:58:51.399 --> 01:58:56.920
I'm thinking, well, what if
this isn't like a like people think

1142
01:58:56.960 --> 01:59:00.279
that it's really literal, like you
know, something is coming down from the

1143
01:59:00.319 --> 01:59:04.439
sky and giving these people knowledge.
And this is where the extraterrestrial thing comes

1144
01:59:04.439 --> 01:59:10.800
in. What if it's not that. What if it's just a new seating

1145
01:59:11.079 --> 01:59:17.000
of a new type of human.
I think that's where we're headed today with

1146
01:59:17.119 --> 01:59:25.399
the we're going to get a in
the next one hundred years, We're going

1147
01:59:25.439 --> 01:59:30.279
to have a new type of human. There's going to be a new human

1148
01:59:30.319 --> 01:59:36.439
on the earth. And if you
create something new, you create a new

1149
01:59:36.520 --> 01:59:42.239
human. This is all just speculation
and my personal ideas and my personal beliefs

1150
01:59:42.279 --> 01:59:46.399
of what's going on here and don't
have any not any factual evidence besides the

1151
01:59:46.439 --> 01:59:54.079
incubators they really were there and these
babies and incubators. But what if that's

1152
01:59:54.079 --> 02:00:00.039
what it is. What if it's
just the seating of a new human human

1153
02:00:00.079 --> 02:00:06.800
two point zero? Because you create
something new, then that effectively gets rid

1154
02:00:06.880 --> 02:00:15.520
of everything that came before it.
Right, if you say you create a

1155
02:00:15.640 --> 02:00:21.560
new Internet, the old Internet's going
to be wiped. No one's going to

1156
02:00:21.640 --> 02:00:30.039
know about the old Internet in the
future. As fast as our technology evolves,

1157
02:00:30.279 --> 02:00:32.960
Apple comes out with a new phone
every year that has a different freaking

1158
02:00:33.079 --> 02:00:39.720
port on it. I mean,
look at how obsolete our technology, like

1159
02:00:39.760 --> 02:00:43.319
some of the old technology has become. Right, people don't use floppy disc

1160
02:00:43.399 --> 02:00:45.920
anymore. Come on, Mark,
you got a floppy disk drive at your

1161
02:00:45.960 --> 02:00:48.039
house? I don't think so.
Nobody's got a floppy disk drive, bro,

1162
02:00:48.880 --> 02:00:55.319
nobody's storing information on floppy disk drives
anymore. So what happens in one

1163
02:00:55.359 --> 02:00:58.600
hundred years and two hundred years,
three hundred years, four hundred years,

1164
02:00:58.960 --> 02:01:02.680
all this technology that we have now
that we're using this Internet based off these

1165
02:01:03.000 --> 02:01:06.000
phones, the computers. What we're
talking on now, is all going to

1166
02:01:06.000 --> 02:01:13.439
be obsolete. Even if you do
manage to back up all of your information

1167
02:01:13.560 --> 02:01:15.439
onto a hard drive, who's to
say in two hundred years that they're even

1168
02:01:15.479 --> 02:01:18.279
going to be able to operate that
hard drive. Who's to say that they're

1169
02:01:18.279 --> 02:01:25.119
even going to have USB capabilities to
plug that hard drive into a computer to

1170
02:01:25.239 --> 02:01:30.520
extract any of that information. That's
exactly like what I think has happened in

1171
02:01:30.560 --> 02:01:35.680
the past. Yes, there were
advanced technologies in the past, but they

1172
02:01:35.720 --> 02:01:43.159
weren't technologies like what we have today. They were different. There was something

1173
02:01:43.199 --> 02:01:46.960
completely different. That's why we can't
figure it out because we're not working with

1174
02:01:47.199 --> 02:01:53.000
the same technologies that they had back
then, and we just don't know how

1175
02:01:53.039 --> 02:02:00.399
it works. Which would be the
same five hundred years, two hundred years,

1176
02:02:00.680 --> 02:02:03.560
whatever time you want to put on
it. That's going to happen in

1177
02:02:03.560 --> 02:02:09.000
the future, they're gonna have something
completely different, and they're gonna be looking

1178
02:02:09.039 --> 02:02:15.560
back on this supposed advanced technology with
cell phones and computers as completely obsolete.

1179
02:02:15.159 --> 02:02:17.279
I mean, like, what is
this. I don't know what this is.

1180
02:02:17.319 --> 02:02:21.399
I don't know how to work it. What's a USB drive? What's

1181
02:02:21.439 --> 02:02:27.039
a hard drive? I don't know
what any of that is. I want

1182
02:02:27.079 --> 02:02:30.399
to go back to the incubator and
the World's Fair because I agree with you

1183
02:02:31.039 --> 02:02:40.439
in this sense that they took that
opportunity to mold the minds of that generation

1184
02:02:40.920 --> 02:02:47.720
into this new modern world. What
comes along with that modern medicine and hospital

1185
02:02:47.760 --> 02:02:55.319
births. You also have a tremendous
amount of immigration into the United States during

1186
02:02:55.359 --> 02:02:59.479
that period of time, and you
have the Civil War going on. So

1187
02:02:59.560 --> 02:03:05.800
to me, I don't necessarily I
don't necessarily think it's that hard to fathom

1188
02:03:06.840 --> 02:03:12.279
that a bunch of children would have
been orphaned in that time period. You

1189
02:03:12.399 --> 02:03:20.119
have really rambunctious and cd urban centers
like Boston, New York City, Philadelphia.

1190
02:03:20.279 --> 02:03:25.880
I mean, these were places where
I'm sure people came from other countries,

1191
02:03:26.359 --> 02:03:30.840
maybe got into gambling, alcohol,
whatever other drugs were available at that

1192
02:03:30.960 --> 02:03:38.399
time, and they had no I
mean not that I'm an advocate for abortion

1193
02:03:38.680 --> 02:03:42.560
or anything in that sense. I
mean, you know, women's choice,

1194
02:03:42.680 --> 02:03:45.279
it's a tricky subject, but there
was none of that back then. There

1195
02:03:45.319 --> 02:03:50.520
was no contraception, so, you
know, other than maybe a barbaric version

1196
02:03:50.600 --> 02:03:57.399
of an abortion right. So I
feel like the idea that, oh,

1197
02:03:57.439 --> 02:04:00.920
where did all these orphans come from
to me, isn't that far fetch?

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And I think it also could have
been a societally weaponized factor where they incentivized

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people to abandon their children. I
mean, obviously child labor laws were a

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lot different back then. So and
maybe it wasn't even that the parents were

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02:04:20.960 --> 02:04:27.239
willfully abandoning their children. Maybe they
thought, you know, despite everything,

1202
02:04:27.319 --> 02:04:30.479
that their heart was telling them that
it was best for the kid to leave

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02:04:30.640 --> 02:04:34.239
the family and go. And you
know, times were different. My grandfather

1204
02:04:34.399 --> 02:04:40.520
grew up in nineteen twenties and thirties
Canada, had a job at twelve years

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02:04:40.520 --> 02:04:44.920
old. You know, my grandmother
was eight years old driving a tractor on

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02:04:44.960 --> 02:04:50.000
the family farm. So I am
fortunate to have some sort of window into

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02:04:50.039 --> 02:04:55.079
the past to be able to kind
of relate with what life was like back

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then. So I wonder if you
know, some of the things with the

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world's fail are in a way another
smoke screen to keep people from realizing how

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they changed the direction of humanity with
the world's fairs, things like hospitals,

1211
02:05:14.600 --> 02:05:20.479
modern medicine, those have fundamentally changed
humanity and people before that time period,

1212
02:05:20.600 --> 02:05:27.600
they were having home berths, they
were relying on homeopathic medicine that had been

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02:05:27.680 --> 02:05:31.600
passed down for hundreds of years,
and all of that started to change.

1214
02:05:31.640 --> 02:05:36.920
Another thing that became a factor back
then is, you know, agriculture changed

1215
02:05:36.960 --> 02:05:44.600
tremendously. It went from having you
know, multi crop farms to monocrop farms,

1216
02:05:45.199 --> 02:05:50.960
and you know, that made people's
lives incredibly different. They'd have to

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02:05:51.039 --> 02:05:58.239
travel to a place to get the
foods that they once had available to them,

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02:05:58.439 --> 02:06:01.640
Right, I mean, this is
this is the beginning of this industrialization

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02:06:02.000 --> 02:06:09.800
of the United States and Europe,
and I think that is the real interest

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02:06:10.000 --> 02:06:13.800
for me personally. I could be
wrong. I could be the over skeptical

1221
02:06:13.840 --> 02:06:17.520
one here when it comes to the
World's fairs and the tartaria stuff. But

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02:06:17.680 --> 02:06:23.199
I just have a hard time buying
the idea that there were all of these

1223
02:06:23.359 --> 02:06:31.000
fully built out stone constructions here that
got basically hijacked by Europeans. If that

1224
02:06:31.199 --> 02:06:36.239
was the case, why aren't the
Native Americans acknowledging that. Why don't we

1225
02:06:36.359 --> 02:06:42.920
have myths and legends from the Native
Americans who talk about great cities or castles

1226
02:06:43.039 --> 02:06:45.279
or things like that, Right,
I mean, we do have mounds,

1227
02:06:45.319 --> 02:06:51.640
we have other constructions that Native Americans
acknowledge even things like the Newport Tower or

1228
02:06:53.239 --> 02:06:59.960
America's Stonehenge, things that are kind
of anomalousts even still that Native Americans acknowledge.

1229
02:07:00.159 --> 02:07:03.159
So I have a hard time believing
that unless you know what we've been

1230
02:07:03.199 --> 02:07:09.279
taught about Native Americans is erroneous from
the base of it. Right. So,

1231
02:07:09.520 --> 02:07:12.039
but again, that was a big
part of the World's Fair too,

1232
02:07:12.079 --> 02:07:17.119
this idea of eugenics and the superiority
of different races. People didn't see the

1233
02:07:17.159 --> 02:07:25.479
world back then that way until that
scientific idea of eugenics rolled out and you

1234
02:07:25.520 --> 02:07:30.600
could see how racism has been weaponized
to divide people. I wouldn't be surprised

1235
02:07:30.680 --> 02:07:35.239
if if before then this kind of
thing wasn't a factor. Maybe it existed

1236
02:07:35.279 --> 02:07:44.880
in a more tribal sort of way
where people understood that others strangers held risks

1237
02:07:44.920 --> 02:07:50.079
and dangers with them, but they
didn't judge people based on their skin for

1238
02:07:50.199 --> 02:07:57.560
the superficial aspects of it, right
they. I think it was more of

1239
02:07:57.600 --> 02:08:01.920
a territorial thing in the past,
and it's been changed to be misconstrued as

1240
02:08:01.960 --> 02:08:11.359
a as a morphological concept when it
is in some ways, but it's been

1241
02:08:11.399 --> 02:08:15.000
weaponized, right, So, I
think the World's Fair is a big reason

1242
02:08:15.039 --> 02:08:20.960
why we're in the modern world today, the way we have it. I

1243
02:08:20.000 --> 02:08:22.880
absolutely agree with that. I don't
think that it had anything to do with

1244
02:08:22.960 --> 02:08:28.039
tearing down old buildings and racing history. I think I had everything to do

1245
02:08:28.119 --> 02:08:37.119
with pushing culture and indoctrination of where
they wanted society to go. I mean,

1246
02:08:37.159 --> 02:08:43.800
they also had stage fights between Native
Americans and cowboys. They had slaves

1247
02:08:43.800 --> 02:08:48.680
picking fake cotton, like unbelievable some
of the stuff that was there. They

1248
02:08:48.880 --> 02:08:56.159
supposedly had suppose electric cars moving sidewalks, like all this weird and strange stuff.

1249
02:08:56.199 --> 02:09:01.880
And I think that that's what's going
on. There's a way to push

1250
02:09:03.680 --> 02:09:09.479
society and culture into this new paradigm, into this new system. Yeah.

1251
02:09:09.760 --> 02:09:15.840
Yeah, and again I'm not saying
that the history we've been taught is accurate,

1252
02:09:16.000 --> 02:09:20.560
but those tropes like cowboys versus Indians, Pilgrims versus Indians. You know,

1253
02:09:20.920 --> 02:09:28.880
they've given us these very meme versions
of history, and that's weaponized.

1254
02:09:28.960 --> 02:09:33.960
Yeah, they don't want us to
know the history of the political treaties with

1255
02:09:33.039 --> 02:09:37.720
all the different tribes, and how
certain tribes actually have treaties that are still

1256
02:09:37.760 --> 02:09:45.279
honored today. With European nations right, groups of Native Americans here in the

1257
02:09:45.000 --> 02:09:48.279
in on North American soil who have
agreements with the Dutch, or have agreements

1258
02:09:48.319 --> 02:09:52.640
with the King of Spain. Like, these are things that aren't really acknowledged

1259
02:09:52.680 --> 02:10:00.279
today, but there's a there's a
physical record of these things. And I

1260
02:10:00.399 --> 02:10:03.960
come from somewhere on the East Coast. I think you're an East Coast guy

1261
02:10:03.039 --> 02:10:09.800
too, and we have four hundred
years of recorded history here. In many

1262
02:10:09.840 --> 02:10:13.520
ways, I think that that needs
to be re examined. But again,

1263
02:10:13.680 --> 02:10:18.840
like that's why I have some trouble
with the Tartaria stuff, the Old World

1264
02:10:18.279 --> 02:10:22.720
theories. I am fascinated with them. I just wonder how much of it

1265
02:10:22.760 --> 02:10:28.840
has been manipulated to keep us away
from the actual truth that you know,

1266
02:10:28.960 --> 02:10:33.680
in those years before fourteen ninety two, in sixteen twenty, there was a

1267
02:10:33.800 --> 02:10:37.920
lot of interesting things going on here
in North America that they had to slowly

1268
02:10:39.000 --> 02:10:41.960
but surely cover up, and they
used Christianity as a weapon to do that,

1269
02:10:43.399 --> 02:10:46.760
and then eventually they use culture as
a weapon to do that. And

1270
02:10:46.800 --> 02:10:52.159
the World's Fairs are certainly an indoctrination
process. The other thing that they smoke

1271
02:10:52.239 --> 02:10:56.880
screen is disaster capitalism, which still
goes on today, and it definitely went

1272
02:10:56.960 --> 02:11:01.600
on back then. I, for
one, I hear about the city's being

1273
02:11:01.600 --> 02:11:03.880
burned, I'm like, yeah,
of course they're making so much money off

1274
02:11:03.920 --> 02:11:09.840
of like building this stuff and then
destroying it, getting money from the insurance,

1275
02:11:09.920 --> 02:11:13.119
from the local governments, and then
building it all again. Like this

1276
02:11:13.359 --> 02:11:16.680
is how they This is the the
and they don't want us to know this

1277
02:11:16.720 --> 02:11:22.520
stuff because it still goes on today. They've extra they've you know, pushed

1278
02:11:22.520 --> 02:11:26.159
it to an advanced degree. Now
they can steer hurricanes and use those as

1279
02:11:26.239 --> 02:11:31.479
actual like wrecking balls. That's a
whole other topic, you know, the

1280
02:11:31.840 --> 02:11:39.520
weather weaponry. But I think in
the insurance agencies and disaster capitalism helps explain

1281
02:11:39.760 --> 02:11:46.119
the world's fair great disaster situation a
little bit better than this whole reset thing.

1282
02:11:46.199 --> 02:11:50.720
I'm again, I'm partial to that. I could be wrong, and

1283
02:11:50.760 --> 02:11:56.399
I'm very open to anyone who's interested
in Tartaria autodidactic or or whoever to come

1284
02:11:56.439 --> 02:12:01.800
on the show and make a case
otherwise. But as far as I see

1285
02:12:01.840 --> 02:12:07.840
it, like there's still so much
to be learned about America and our history

1286
02:12:07.119 --> 02:12:11.760
and this secret history of America that
to just throw in this whole thing of

1287
02:12:11.840 --> 02:12:16.560
like, oh yeah, no,
it was all mud flooded and everything year

1288
02:12:16.680 --> 02:12:20.159
is new, you know. I'm
just like I have a hard time going

1289
02:12:20.199 --> 02:12:24.680
with some of that, But again, that's the nature of what we do.

1290
02:12:24.760 --> 02:12:28.439
We need to be skeptical because,
as you've shown us today, the

1291
02:12:28.560 --> 02:12:35.359
whole subject of ufology is based on
some very erroneous ideas that aren't based in

1292
02:12:35.439 --> 02:12:43.079
anything true. That's right, And
I said the almost exact same thing that

1293
02:12:43.159 --> 02:12:48.720
you decided to to Campbell as well. I was like, hey, like,

1294
02:12:48.800 --> 02:12:54.600
I really don't think that the stuff
had to do anything with with Tartaria

1295
02:12:54.720 --> 02:12:58.279
or the mud flood anythink that there
was a way to control the population in

1296
02:12:58.359 --> 02:13:03.720
doctor and apeople into the new world
that they wanted to create. But that

1297
02:13:03.760 --> 02:13:09.239
doesn't mean that there isn't any weird
anomalies and strange things going on there,

1298
02:13:09.279 --> 02:13:15.479
because there definitely was. I think
it's just been taken in a completely different

1299
02:13:15.520 --> 02:13:20.039
direction. But yeah, I think
people just need to get down to the

1300
02:13:20.039 --> 02:13:22.279
bottom of it, used common sense, critical thinking, and think outside of

1301
02:13:22.319 --> 02:13:31.039
the box. Don't be fooled by
the grandiose conjecture and hyperbole that is often

1302
02:13:31.079 --> 02:13:37.880
touted within the community, and try
your best to think for yourself and come

1303
02:13:37.920 --> 02:13:41.760
to your own conclusions. Well said
man, Well said, And that's a

1304
02:13:41.800 --> 02:13:46.800
great place to pause our conversation.
Of course, we're going to pick it

1305
02:13:46.880 --> 02:13:50.560
up again in the future. You're
always welcome on my show. And for

1306
02:13:50.680 --> 02:13:54.920
folks who listen to my Family think
some crazy podcasts. Wherever you find this

1307
02:13:56.039 --> 02:14:00.520
podcast, you can find Riders podcasts
Raised by Giants. Go over there right

1308
02:14:00.520 --> 02:14:05.239
now, subscribe. He's got tons
of great shows and interviews with I'll say

1309
02:14:05.319 --> 02:14:09.079
writer, you know, I gotta
give you this compliment because you interview people

1310
02:14:09.279 --> 02:14:13.640
who I haven't seen anyone else interview. You do your homework and you get

1311
02:14:13.640 --> 02:14:20.039
in touch with like key individuals that
people like me just I guess gloss over.

1312
02:14:20.239 --> 02:14:24.079
So you're a great resource in the
community. I really appreciate all the

1313
02:14:24.119 --> 02:14:31.319
work you do, your perspective,
your your diction, and yeah, please

1314
02:14:31.720 --> 02:14:37.279
tell the audience what you're working on. Obviously, this Kenneth Arnold situation,

1315
02:14:37.560 --> 02:14:41.399
this is your new focus. But
is there a place people can go to

1316
02:14:41.520 --> 02:14:46.640
kind of get more details on what
we've talked about? Obviously Raised by Giants

1317
02:14:46.640 --> 02:14:50.319
your show is the main place,
but where can people find it outside of

1318
02:14:50.359 --> 02:14:56.439
the podcast apps? You can follow
me on Instagram at Raised by a Giants

1319
02:14:56.560 --> 02:15:01.000
pod or on Twitter I Raised by
a Giants and Mark, thanks so much

1320
02:15:01.000 --> 02:15:05.119
for having me on brother. I
really appreciate it. Wonderful conversation. I

1321
02:15:05.159 --> 02:15:09.560
hope people really enjoyed it. And
if you'd like to check out the episodes

1322
02:15:09.600 --> 02:15:13.720
of course on a Raised by Giants
on YouTube, there's a playlist on there

1323
02:15:13.760 --> 02:15:18.399
I covered. I did fourteen episodes
of UFO Doomsday Cults some of the playlist,

1324
02:15:18.520 --> 02:15:24.039
and I've done two episodes so far
of the Legends of Ufology, which

1325
02:15:24.119 --> 02:15:31.800
was Kenneth Arnold and Paul Benowitz.
And my next thing will be we just

1326
02:15:31.800 --> 02:15:37.479
started shooting our second documentary, me
and Jay Wider, so we'll be finishing

1327
02:15:37.520 --> 02:15:45.199
up finishing up shooting at the midway
through next month, so and I'll be

1328
02:15:45.239 --> 02:15:52.840
working on that for a while.
So that's going to be about Stanley Kubrick,

1329
02:15:52.039 --> 02:15:56.399
the Shining in MK Ultra. So
I'm really looking forward to that one.

1330
02:15:56.800 --> 02:16:01.880
It's going to be an amazing project. It's going to be my little

1331
02:16:01.960 --> 02:16:07.439
baby because it's my theory, it's
my idea, and I'm going to do

1332
02:16:07.520 --> 02:16:09.960
adjustice. So keep the keep on
the lookout for that. One, my

1333
02:16:11.000 --> 02:16:13.520
friend, and thanks for having me
on brother, I appreciate it. Yeah,

1334
02:16:13.560 --> 02:16:16.399
of course. And for folks who
haven't heard our previous episode we did

1335
02:16:16.439 --> 02:16:20.680
together where Jay Widner also joined,
go and check out that episode. Check

1336
02:16:20.720 --> 02:16:26.600
out jfk X. It's still available, uh to watch and rent right on

1337
02:16:26.600 --> 02:16:30.199
on Amazon. Yes, so go
and check that out and look forward to

1338
02:16:30.239 --> 02:16:33.319
the next film. I'm excited to
see you guys working together. And uh

1339
02:16:33.799 --> 02:16:39.760
yeah, The Shining is an interesting, interesting film. I'm sure there's tons

1340
02:16:39.840 --> 02:16:45.600
of stuff that even still people haven't
unpacked from it. So looking forward to

1341
02:16:45.639 --> 02:16:48.639
that And until next time, folks, immerse yourself in the moment wherever you

1342
02:16:48.719 --> 02:16:50.799
are in the now,