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By Billy cunning Him to Great America
and welcome to this glorious Friday afternoon in

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the driest Dead Reds Baseball kicks off
tonight Hunter Green on the Mound in Milwaukee.

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One hell of a series with the
brew Crew. The Reds have been

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terrible with Milwaukee. I think they're
like something like twenty nine and thirteen on

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the wrong side of that and it's
time. If they're going to make a

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move in the Central Division, it's
time to get it done. Plus,

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the Bengals three day camp has now
expired. Joe Burrow is not hurt yet

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this year, we'll see what happens, but until then, Chris Cuomo of

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News Nation, welcome again to the
Bill Cunningham Show. And Chris, first

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of all, this time of the
year we celebrate fathers and I had a

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particularly bad one. You had a
particularly good one. What did you learn

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from your father that causes you to
be a better dad? Oh boy,

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Bill, that is a great question. And thank you for having me on.

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Thank you for being a role model
to a lot of people out there

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about how to think and what to
care about and how to prioritize and starting

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with family is always the right thing
and finishing with families the right thing.

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My pop was very committed to public
service, and that absolutely put a strain

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on our dynamic because it's such an
unnatural thing. But one thing that he

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was consistent in was that you know
what the right thing is, and it

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helps to have people give you moral
backstops as a kid. But his consistent

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teaching all through my life, you
know, and all through his life was,

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look, you don't need me to
tell you what the right thing is.

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You know what the right thing is, and very often you have to

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do what is hard to do what
is right. And you know, it's

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a simple lesson to say. It's
a very hard one to live, and

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I have certainly struggled with it myself. I am amazed, Bill Cunningham,

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you are the great American. I
am the great mistake maker. I'll say

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this that on your dad. Mario
Cuomo. He was the reluctant politician.

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He was unlike the politicians of today. He was perceived in nineteen eighty eight

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nineteen ninety two as the future of
the Democrat Party. And I can recall

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the speech he gave in nineteen eighty
four, which was I didn't care much

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for it at the time, but
it was very articulate, well spoken,

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represented a viewpoint. And the public
persona is one thing. The private dad

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is another because the lights are off
and it's you and him, and he

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had many kids. You have many
kids. And the Mario Cuomo of the

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public certainly was not the Mario Cuomo
who was a dad and a father.

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The Bill Cunningham on the air is
not the Bill Cunningham as a father and

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a grandfather. Different persons, not
on the professional sense, but in the

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personal sense. You've had difficulties in
your life. I've had difficulties in my

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life. There's nobody I know that
doesn't have serious difficulties. And were there

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times when you went through the bad
issues that you called your dad and said,

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Dad, I got a problem,
Man, I need your help.

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I'll tell you something that is a
little embarrassing, but I think people can

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probably relate to it. When I
got I'll use polite language because I respect

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you and your audience. When I
got fired, let's say, I don't

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usually refer to it as that,
but that's what happened. I found myself,

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you know, lost on a lot
of different levels. And you can

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say I'll please it was just a
job. It wasn't brain cancer, true,

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but it was kind of an identity, and it took me by surprise,

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and I was shocked and hurt by
the people who precipitated it, because

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they were full of it and they
knew it. But I actually called my

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father in a moment of like,
I just forgot for a second that he's

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gone. And I called my father's
old number two one two three, one

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seven two seventy three three, And
you know, if you call it now,

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it's disconnected or somebody else's, but
it's one of the only phone numbers

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I remember, and I called,
and I just forgot, And I remember

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hearing that disconnected thing and realizing,
oh god, it's not here. And

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I wish so much I could have
had him, because that's exactly where he

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was at his best, you know, when things weren't the worst. He

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wasn't a great guy to celebrate with. My dad was kind of a stiff.

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You know. He didn't want to
hear how he didn't want to hear

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how good you were, and he
didn't want to hear you celebrating because he

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felt that you were making yourself soft
and vulnerable. He used to joke that

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success is failure of herded. But
in tough times Bill was. He was

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a phenomenal backstop for people. He
would do anything for you. He would

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make it very clear. Look,
there's no question you're going to get through.

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You're absolutely going to get through this. How what shape you'll be in

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on the other side, I don't
know, but it's going to pass.

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So do what you can to control
how it passes. And again easy to

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say, hard to live. But
you know, the most important things that

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I know about life, I know
because I watched him live them. You

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know, Chris crooma Chris Croloma.
My dad was a raging alcoholic and at

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the time my best friend, my
baseball coach, my basketball coach. He

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left at the age of when I
was twelve years old, and I remember

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specifically my mom sitting down, had
four kids of tender years and in a

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little home of four kids, two
parents, and my dad was my best

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friend. But I knew he had
an alcohol problem because of the war.

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I'll talk about that later on,
but I never saw him again. About

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fifteen years ago by and I'm in
law school in University of Toledo. I

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got a little baby and married the
same woman now as I was then,

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and out of the blue, my
dad calls me and hadn't heard from him

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in fifteen years. At this point, I'm like twenty seven, finishing up

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law school. And he said,
Billy, this is your dad. And

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I said, my dad. And
I asked him two or three questions to

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make sure it was him. I
said, what's my day to birth?

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He gave it? Where was I
born? He gave it. I said,

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who is your assistant coach with Rutgers
Pharmacy in Deer Park and he gave

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me. I said, I said, what do you want? He said,

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let me tell you what I want
to see you? And I said,

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why do you want to see me? He said, I'm dying.

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I said, well, what are
you dying? He said, I have

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liver. They tell me I got
liver and kidney cancer. I'm not going

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to make it. And I said, no. Where are you? Said

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Missouri? I said, I'm in
Ohio and I'm up to my ass and

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I I mean. I worked eight
to four as a constable and common police

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court swearing and witnesses for four years, went to law school at night six

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to ten. I was busier than
I could be. And I said look,

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I'm not coming to see you.
So I quickly called my mom and

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said, Mom, you can't believe
he just called me. And Mom said

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it was your dad. I said
yes, he said he wants your number,

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and she explained to me that he
was dying. So I didn't go

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see him. And then about two
months later he calls me again. Didn't

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have call or d at the time, and I said, what do you

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want? He said, they tell
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I really have to see you.
I said, no, you weren't a

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father to me in the living years. I'm not going to be a son

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to you and your death. No, goodbye, and I hung up.

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About fifteen more years ago by Chris
Cuomo and I'm at one of my sports

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bar restaurants, Willie Sports Cafe,
and this old man comes up to me

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and he taps me on the shoulder
and met the bar a pretty good crowd,

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and he said, can I see
you? And I said, now,

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what do you got? He said, I was your dad's best friend.

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I said really, so I took
him off to the size side of

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the table. He said, let
me tell about your dad. He was

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a wonderful guy, funny hilarious.
But at Guadalcanal he was a grunt.

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He killed Japanese soldiers. He watches, he watched his buddies being killed.

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At night, they would put bodies
of his friends and bags. And that

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went on for months and months and
months and months and minds. And when

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that got over with and the war
was one, he was on ships outside

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of Japan ready to invade when the
bombs were dropped. When he came home,

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he became a raging alcoholic because it
was medicine. It was a pain

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of what he went through. And
at that point, Chris Cromo, I

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felt like I was at the bottom
of the Atlantic Ocean, that I should

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have reached out to my dad in
his hour of need and listened to the

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story. I had no idea of
the pain it was calling out PTSD at

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that point it was like shake it
off, just get over it. Well,

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he couldn't get over it, and
he died a raging alcoholic, with

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a new family in Missouri, so
to speak, and he left us to

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live on our own. It was
my aunt, my mother's sister, who

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took us in. Otherwise all of
us would have been an orphanage. And

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so I had nobody. Growing up, when I had big decisions to make

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about life, I had nobody I
could call, no one. What do

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you say to the kids like me
that didn't have an functional father that was

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with you, and that you had
no one to rely upon other than your

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own judgment. I think that what
life teaches you was, at the end

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of the day, you have to
be enough. First of all, you

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know I don't know you that well, Bilbi. You know I have premendous

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respect for your success and what your
work is about. Regret is the most

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wasted of human emotions. You have
clearly taken very profound lessons from what happened

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with you and your father at the
end of his life, and it unquestionably

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has given you a sensitivity and a
sense of forgiveness that you didn't have for

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him in that moment, which absolutely
makes perfect sense. But at the end

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of the day, sure, everybody
has their challenges. My father wasn't perfect,

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my upbringing is far from perfect.
But at the end of the day,

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you take what you can from the
people around you. But it's going

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to be about you in the end. Even if you have faith, even

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if you believe in something bigger than
yourself, everything that's going to manifest in

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your life is going to be you. It's always on you at the end

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of the day. So you may
be alone, but we're all alone at

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the end of the day. And
you make the life for yourself that you

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can. There's no such thing as
luck, there's no such thing as fate,

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there's no such thing as destiny.
You make those things happen, and

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that can be scary. People would
like to know that there's someone carrying them

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along or something carrying them along.
But at the end of the day is

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your own actions and intentions, and
if you do the right things, you

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got a chance of having the right
things happen to you. They're no guarantees

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in this world. Chris, what
you just said is so accurate. Two

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things I said. I said,
number one, I may have many difficulties

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in my life, but drugs and
alcohol will never be one of them.

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Well, whatever I'm going to do, I'm not going to drink and I'm

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not going to smoke, and I'm
not going to do that. And number

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two, when I get a son, I'm going to be the best father

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to him that my dad wasn't to
me. And I took the lessons of

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that to say, you know what, I'm not going to drink. I'm

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not going to be a derelict.
I'm going to take care of my family

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and I'm going to be a father
that he never was. And I took

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from those circumstances that, and I
hope I passed that on to my family,

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to my son, to my grandkids. That family is more important than

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wealth, more important than anything else
in life. But when you bring lives

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into the world, damn it,
you take care of those kids and you

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love them as much as you can. And the same thing with alcohol and

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drugs. My gosh, right,
now, look at the problems we got

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with alcohol and drugs and gambling.
I have so many people. Now,

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you know, my wife works with
the State of Ohio and the Casino Control

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Commission and gambling. She's a commissioner
up there, and it goes back and

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forth. But nonetheless, there are
so many opportunities for kids to gamble on

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their phones and young kids more than
oh my god, let's not forget what

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it is though, right, So
do these ills, these sins, this

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disease, these behaviors all exist and
then more supply than ever, Yes,

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yes, yes, but those again, those are consequence what we are really

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struggling with in our society uniquely so
because we have the burden of choice so

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much to the society. But everybody's
not out there, you know, trying

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to find fish in a mud pond
to survive, So you have choice.

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People have hard times here, but
hard times in America are different than hard

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times in Uganda, you know.
So what we struggle with here is a

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sense of purpose, a sense of
meaning what are we about? And people

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get lost in that. They wind
up, they wind up idolizing the wrong

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things. And we don't have the
value structure and we don't have a common

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admittment to values, so we're all
there's so many who are lost. They

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don't have a structure around them that
they can mimic. If they don't have

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a path that's laid out for them, they're not going to just necessarily be

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Bill Cunningham, who takes adversity,
who takes a lack of love, a

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lack of concern, and turns it
into a commitment to those things. It's

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very rare, So why get be
great American? They will fall and they

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will look for something to make themselves
forget how they feel and their disappointment and

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the pain, and that's where the
drugs come in. That's where the addictions

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come in. That's where all the
antisocial behavior comes in. And as a

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society we have reinforced those problems by
having no mercy, no sense of grace,

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no sense of forgiveness. Was the
only thing that bothered me about Hunter

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Biden's case other than the politics behind
it. He did it, He's guilty,

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Okay, he's guilty. Yes,
they don't bring those cases. But

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the fact that he's an addict.
Even Heraldo Rovert was a mentor of mine

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and he's out there in Ohio suis. I love him to death, respect

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him so much. But he looks
so hard on Hunter for being a junkie.

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He kept saying, it's junky horrormonger
who's ruined his family. The guy's

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sick, not just bad. And
it was interesting to me, and I

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said to him in private and on
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him as someone who's been obviously struggling
with a disease for so long and it's

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recognized within his own family, why
don't you recognize it? And He's like,

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you know, after a while,
I'm just like enough to stop doing

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what you're doing. It's bad,
but they can't, you know, And

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it's really part of what we got
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know. You and I were talking
before we came on about how divided everybody

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is and how it almost seems like
contagious. And I talk to people,

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I'm very lucky in my life,
Bill, like the people like you.

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I mean, think about it.
How many guys like you and me you

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get to have the exchanges that we
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to talk to each other like this. You know, people don't want to

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hear you know, my audience will
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those writings. You're talking to them
because I love them, because they're my

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brothers, because I believe in them. I don't care if they care all

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the same ideas. I care so
much about what you do and I have

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so much respect for why you do
it. And people will look at me

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like I'm saying, you know,
maybe the Celtic's arms so bad, Maybe

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I'm not just a Knicks fan.
You know, leave that for sports,

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not for politics, and for our
humanity. You know, Chris Fomo,

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I spent years and assistant ag on
commitment hearings of the mentally ill and those

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with difficulties. And I'm thinking all
those thousands and hearings I conducted for the

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AG about committing people in mental hospitals, and they came into the room and

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it was like, my God,
but for the grace of God, there

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goes Aye. And I'm thinking,
those guys, just shake it off.

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You can come over that like my
father and those who came back from the

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war, whether it was to World
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Iraq, Afghanistan. Hey, just
shake it off. It's going to be

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okay. Quit drinking, quit using
drugs. Today drugs are everywhere, marijuana

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is legal. You have young men
and women that don't want to form family

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structures until they're thirty thirty five years
old, and the attitude of no big

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deal, just just just get rid
of it. What damn it is.

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I know it is not easy to
shake it off and just forget about it

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and move on. It's not easy. Ill it's illness. It's illness.

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Look, I am ridiculously fortunate in
the land of people who gets exposed to

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bad things. And I got to
tell you, I'm years of traveling to

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foreign wars and watching where the humanity
has to offer absolutely affected me, and

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I needed therapy, and I needed
people around me to tell me when my

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behavior was changing. And then I
was exhibiting in sensitivities that were obviously a

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reaction to me trying to deal with
watching heads pop and watching you know,

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people killed for sport and all the
other horrible things you see in this business.

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And that's just a touch of what
the fighting men and women have to

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deal with. So I've always been
very sympathetic to human frailty. You say,

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but Bill, We're so lucky.
We're lucky a lot of people.

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But a lot of people do believe
in grace because you don't believe in God.

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So I don't believe that there's anything
that could hear and that can matter

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more than our own beings. And
I'm a practicing Roman Catholic, and I

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rely upon that. I wanted to
talk to you about Hunter Biden, about

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Trump's visit of the Capitol. I
want to talk about the Disaster Finds trip

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to G seven and here we are
talking his sons about dads and dads about

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their sons. So anyway, we
got a run matter. This matters a

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lot more my son. You're graduated, Bill, He's going away to college

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next year. And that's all that
matters in terms of my legacy for me

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and Christine and my wife's made him. Thank God, he looks like her.

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Okay, he's putting good into the
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everything else before the year is don
I like to get Sean Compton, me

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and you and have have dinner in
New York. I spent so much time

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there. I actually we've never I
seldom meet my guests. I want to

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sit down across the table with you
and Sean Compton. Would that be good?

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Man? Dinners on me. Bill. You've given me a great opportunity

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and I love to be with you. God bless you. Chris Clomo,

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thank you very much. Let's continue. And I wanted to talk about everything

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that, but one question led onto
that, and I hope you, as

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a great American listener, found it
worthwhile. Now's the time to reach back

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and solve difficulties. Bill Cunningham,
News Radio seven hundred WLW. Are you

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