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phonomically as your black holes. Welcome
to Twin Souls. Twin Souls has brought

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to an association with a panormal UK
radio network. Your host's Philip Mono kuin

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seller. Now our next guest needs
absolutely no introduction whatsoever. He has none

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other than Paul Sinclair, best selling
author of Truth Proof, The Truth That

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Leaves No Proof, Truth Proof Too, Beyond the Thinking Mind, Truth Proof

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three Bringing Down the Light, Truth
Proof four Beyond Reasonable Doubt, and of

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course his Amazing Night People. Paul
Sinclair is recognized as England's most amazing and

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incredible UFO and paramal researcher. And
he's appeared on television documentaries and indeed no

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end of radio stations. And there's
another thing I have to say her as

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well too, because Paul also is
involved in a lot of his own documentary

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making along with Chris Turner and other
amazing people. And the new one that's

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just about to be released is Wolf
Lends. Hello, Paul, how are

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you really good? And what a
lovely introduction from from your Philip and Ron.

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Thank you very much. It's really
kindy that and quite feel quite humbold.

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Yes. Well, at the end
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you know, I remembered reaching out
to you many years ago, and you

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have just literally taken the world by
storm within the UFO community. And that

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is all attributed because of your honesty, your integrity, your no nonsense attitude,

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which is really kind of great.
So I want to ask, and

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I think the listeners will, those
that probably don't know a lot about you,

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how did you get involved to begin
with in this kind of subject matter?

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Probably sobs your two guys that you've
probably had a lifetime of interaction with

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things you couldn't quite understand and I
still don't understand them, and it stays

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with you done it. I've an
experienced in childhood. I think life took

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over for quite a few years making
a living myself, Mary and four girls.

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But when I got into a position
where we were a bit better off,

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should we say, I could devote
the time that I should have been

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devoted probably thirty years ago, to
this subject. And that's it's been with

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the amal life. Short answer,
yes, And I think when you're touched

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by this singularity, it certainly does
change you. And certainly this is described

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within your amazing book Night People.
And I know that anyone out there who

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hasn't got the book or any of
these books supports you really need to go

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out and get them because they are
phenomenal. But it was Night People that

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I think shocked a lot of people
out there in the community by realizing that

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you are not just an investigator,
but also had been involved with the experience

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itself. Yeah, and you know, Philip Ron addressing you both because I

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know that you're both involved in this
this show. I think I think the

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phenomena, whatever the phenomena may be, kind of maps our lives out because

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in childhood these things happened. We
know, we don't have a diary book.

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I think from about four years old
to take we're off at about I

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don't know, fourteen fifteen years old. And immediately it was nineteen ninety three

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when we moved at property that I'm
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not within months, within within like
days of working on this property, things

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began to happen again. And you
think to yourself, is all this premapped

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out for us? Is everything sort
of design to happen? It's a frightening

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thought if it is. Yeah,
I think that. You know, Ronnie,

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you want to ask Paul. Yes. So I mean, that's interesting

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what you say, Paul about it
being mapped, because I think actually it

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is, as you probably agree with, is it is part of us,

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Something is attached to us. I
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seem quite condescending or quite harsh,
but certainly property of this force or whatever

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it is that's apprehending us. And
what's interesting I watched your live stream I

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think it was last week, who
were discussing about encounters, and you're basically

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saying when when these things will call
them the grays, which is a popular

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term for what they're referred to.
I personally don't believe they are the real

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McCoy. I think there's something behind
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They're the grads, okay, whether
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completely conjured by this force or whatever
it is. But what was interesting you

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said you never left that room or
less when they were there. There was

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no spaceship or anything. You would
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I know some people talk about abduction
and they can tell you about being in

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a craft, have been paralyzed in
a strange room, describing it. But

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I've got none of that. But
there's there's there's aspects to it that make

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me feel that I must have been
somewhere else because we'll certainly, and I've

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been talking to a doctor today fundily
enough about the abductions of the bified.

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Doctor has just been going through my
medical notes for me and explaining terminologies from

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me so that I'm not sounding like
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because it's it's medical terms into it
anyway. So that's why I've got

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the date, and I think it
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ninety nineteen ninety seven, when this
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I'd seen the beings in the bedroom
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side of me, and suddenly that
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can't be because because my wife's outside
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it? Do they create some illusion
that makes us think that we're in different

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places, we're actually seeing different things. You've read night people, and you

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remember that as a little boy,
I woke up more one morning and it

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was must have been summer time because
it was the early hours, and they

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were stood at the bottom of the
bed. And people, who ever listens

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to this, I don't I don't
mean it in a brash or arrogant way,

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but I'm not really after anybody's approval, or if you don't believe me,

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that's fine. I can only I
think all of us, ultimately,

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Ronald kin Seller, Philip kin Seller, Paul Sinclair, everybody. The only

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truth that we're ever sure of is
our own. And all I can do

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is tell that true best of my
ability. And I turned away in fear

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when they were at the bottom of
the bed. Two tall ones. I'd

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like to say there were four small
ones where I can't remember exactly. I

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think there were three, and I
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and then when I turned back our
looking at my grandparents from the wedding album.

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So as a little boy, we've
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drake on parisons on, and we
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There weren't loads of books in the
house, but they didn't have a wedding

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album, and it were a picture
from wedding album. There were no churching

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background doing old grass. It were
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It's almost as though they picked through
my mind and found something this will

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be acceptable to that little boy,
because that's the only thing I can think.

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But I didn't feel as frightened.
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about that? That's the same as
me, Paul, because they plucked things

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from my head. It didn't know
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thirteen. It was nineteen eighty two. In comparison to what you were just

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stating, this is amazing. At
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strange doctors, that they projected themselves
from a fear through my fear they plucked

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it out. I was fearful of
any authority. Doctors also the cheshire cat

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ahead of him they projected to me. Afterwards, I have explained what I

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think that probably meant, but again
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doctors or cheshire cats as missing around. I think the mine I think with

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Paul, I understand completely that you
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experience, there are patterns that we
can kind of connect like you are,

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you know, connecting the dots.
You've always said that and your famous line,

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I'll never forget its location is the
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feel that even though we have patterns, the experience are multifaceted, and I

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believe that, I believe absolutely that
when they come in they somehow alter the

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dimensions of space reality. As you
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Mary was no longer beside you,
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is an alteration of the dimensional forces. So obviously these beings or this forces

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whatever they are are able to distort
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had those experiences and in Night People, I mean I was quite shocked as

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well. When I read the book. I remember I read it from cover

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to cover, and I've read it
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you know, try and find out
why with different people that have different experiences,

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the what where the patterns were,
and yours are classic with many other

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examples of what people call an induction. Although you don't recall being physically removed

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to another area like a spaceship or
something like that, that is very interesting,

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I think. So. Yeah,
well, it's just briefly staying with

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that bedroom scenario when they are either
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whatever they are, and I know, I think you'll Philip, you said

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you'll call them grace. There could
be demons. I don't you know,

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I don't know, you know,
in biblical terms, I think that people

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would think that these things were demons, and you know, religiously minded people.

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But I think ultimately we're looking at
the same thing, regardless of what

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you want to believe. But what
am I saying When I woke up that

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morning sleep with no clothes on,
I sat an edge a bed. Mary

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says that Paul, I don't believe
it. And people, you've got three

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holes in your back and these were
proper holes, and the procedure whatever they

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were doing. When it's cruciating,
I think I passed out in pain.

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Well, how could they have done
it when I'm laid on my back?

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Do you know what I'm saying?
All these things sort of they're there to

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further confuse I don't think the agenda
of the beings, whatever they are,

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is to confuse us. I think
they just go about these things and that

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the way that they operate is just
mind blowing. Well to paulse joyous mind

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blowing. Anyway, I ain't got
a clue. I wish I have the

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answers, and all these people out
there that professor they have. But but

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you know, I had to say
to you, Paul as well, that

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what's really interesting again is that you
fall under the same umbrella with a lot

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of people who encounter truthful, honest
people who encounter these experiences then go on

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to try and find the answers,
which you have been doing. It's been

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kind of like a lifelong, you
know, search for you to try and

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grab together what you're looking for on
a deeper level. So in some aspects,

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although we see the phenomena is negative, and I totally agree it alters

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us, it changes us, doesn't
it like it's changed you. It does,

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and how sad Am I that during
childhood these experiences were terrifying. Yes,

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I suppose in adulthood, I'll think
you're thirty when we moved to Bridlington,

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who yeah, been a thirty one
years there about some sixty thirty when

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we moved to Bridlington, and they
were frightening and confusing as as I started

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to cut, mature and digest what
we're happening. Because as a little boy,

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this abuse, and that's what it
is. It's some kind of I

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don't know that I don't have we
got a term for this kind of abuse,

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but this abuse, yeah, it
comes. He came on so slowly,

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such a drip, dripped feed of
it that you don't actually know that

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it's wrong. You don't actually know
that it doesn't happen to other people.

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I had a dad who you know, God dressed. His soul is passed

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away. But here were a croll
man. He used to smack and he

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met no bones about it. He'd
do it in front of people or anything

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and not even ask questions. That
were the way he was. So there

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were no way I were talking about
it. I went to bed till I

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was fourteen because I daren't leave the
bedroom. I mean, I don't mind

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saying it at sixteen. How I'd
be embarrassed to say to eighteen. Do

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you know what I mean? But
it's the truth, and I think if

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it helps other people, then all
so, all well and good. If

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we went to Scotland to my grandparents
and we saved for two weeks, it

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never happened. I didn't wet the
bed if we went, If I stayed

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at a friend's house for a weekend
or anything, never happened on in the

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house. And it weren't just like
once or twice, It were every night

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and a pain to start picture really, And I realize it's a radio show

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where people want to hear information,
but it's part of the part of the

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picture. We lived in a council
house with a coal fire, no central

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eating steel window frames that you could
scratch the ice off from inside. You'll

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be a little boy from from four
years four or five years old to that

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fourteen and you're wet in the bed
and you wake up on a November evening.

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It's not a nice existence. Then
memories stay aware. These beings,

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whatever they are, whatever shape and
form, they come to the love and

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like people. Good luck to you, and if it happened, then fine,

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but don't try and tell me that
they were there for the good of

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my well being, because it was
pure fear. Yes, I was going

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to say that yours. You're int
actions happened quite quite a number of times,

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many times. I saw them once, and this is what it does,

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so I can completely understand because that
screwed me up. Because what I

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was doing after that horrific encounter,
although they weren't nasty, they were pushy

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and forceful. I was propping books
up against the door even though they appeared

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to take me up the seeding.
Whether that's an illusion or what, I

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don't know, but I was propping
even an old broken guitar up against the

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door at night because you're horrified because
they screwed you up. So you went

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through far worse with yours farway,
So don't feel ashamed to say that,

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because that's terrible. I used to
put my toys action men along the sometimes

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better be medscanic middle at room to
couldn't do anything. But if it were

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again, wall put them again wall
to stop them coming. What a thing

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for grown men to be talking about
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as yours where people can share these
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you get some saying, well,
what a lord of rubbish. I'll believe

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it when I see it, or
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because I can kind of relate to
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that these things that have happened and
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How could somebody possibly believe it if
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I can't. I can respect that
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Boy nasty thing about this is the
very nasty thing, and this is the

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this is the this is the true
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always it feels like you're a victim
because they target you and they down well

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know they know that if you speak
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it yourself, people will frown upon
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is the trump card they have.
This is the trump card. They know

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us very well. They knew when
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said, when you when you stayed
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been no, but and you went
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They intervened that they know us very
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Just an unassuming red brick counsel house, some detached house, and things that

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can have the ability to just pass
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And I remembered my one in nineteen
eighty nine. I remember the whole thing

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clearly. It was a nightmare.
Yet there were two parts to it,

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one physical, one non physical.
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I always assumed that an alien abduction, whatever they were, happened on a

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physical level or interaction. This has
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look outside the box in terms of
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And of course it's ironic, isn't
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first book that you had published,
Truth Proof, the truth that leaves no

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proof, and that says everything in
terms And I love the way that your

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Truth Proof titles beyond the thinking mind, bringing down the light we know about

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that, and beyond reasonable doubt.
So I think in some aspects we've changed,

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you've changed, and I think now
and I agree with you, I'm

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not going to get involved with all
the love and light and the people that

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are abducted every day of the week, and having these wonderful believe that we

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have to differentiate fact from fiction.
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you understand when you're dealing with a
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human being, a soul who is
so truthful, like yourself. I think

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what you've created now a platform yourself
for no nonsense, and that's what we

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love about you, Paul, no
nonsense, black and white. That's where

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it is. So I mean,
how now, Paul, are you seeing

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your life now? Is it's unfolding
now that you've I won't say God over

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the experiences, because I don't think
anyone ever think anyone. How are you

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now? Dealing with this now?
A lot better? I think, Philip,

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and I've got no fear of talking
about it to people, not the

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kind of person in the right circles. I'd talk all day about it.

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But if you know, if I
went somewhere and nobody were interested, I

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wouldn't be saying, oh, I've
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They wouldn't even know, you know, But dealing with it a lot

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better. But it's as for the
books, I know you guys are prolifically

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writing and researching all time. I've
got tons and tons of information. But

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because I'm still active and healthy enough
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these places, the books are going
to just stay on old. To be

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honest, I have no intention of
writing another one. I've been invited to

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Texas this year to good speaker,
to Josh Turner's Cryptid conference, which I

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will do, if I will do, if I'm able, he asked me

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last year, which were good of
him, and I couldn't but for various

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reasons. But so there's loads of
offers like that. But if I were

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going to text us or I're going
somewhere in America as much soon ago and

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spend time in forest, yeah,
do you know with the researchers, Yeah,

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and were running and I both well, doesn't mean it disrespectfully, but

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we understand what you mean by yeah. Yes, since you're rather go dick

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the National Forests, you'll be there. That's where. But some of the

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things that happen, you know,
are really really strange. I mean,

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if if you've if with time,
I'd like to tell you about an unusual

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one that some a lot of people. It's not it's not mine. It's

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not earth shattering. But there's either
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these things are real. And so
stay with the cryptid the werewolf phenomena,

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which as I've said many times,
I never even thought i'd be remotely interested

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in. But it's just the volume
of reports that are coming in tell me

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there might be something to it.
So I received an email several weeks ago

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from from a gentleman a well called
Danny. So people that you've guess now

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have changed his name. The location
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saying all this because even though what
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and it's when I read it you'll
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nothing. I think it's sinister.
So fifteen years ago he used to work

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in a stationary shop obviously the cell
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importantly to this story, they had
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and a guy came in the shop
wanting to know if he could print

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off I think, he said,
I'm not certain now. It were about

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two thousand and eight or seven to
eight copies of a letter that he had

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written for his friends. He said, I showed him how to use the

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machine. He wouldn't let me put
the paper face down. He wanted to

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handle it and said. Look.
He waited till I'd gone away, and

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he said, and how to do
it now? And so it's a short

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story of this people. But I
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put the machine lid down and printed
his letters off, paid for him.

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Let's assume the five per copy whatever
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But left the shop, so he
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he said, he looked at relatively
unassuming kind of guy, said, you

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know, slim berled, white male
in his forties, nothing more to tell,

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a bit secretive. He didn't want
me to see the correspondence that he

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had written. That's fine. I
suppose a lot of people like that could

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be some important document. Half an
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shop to use the photo copier.
Two minutes later, he walked to the

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count and said, somebody's left this. So the guy says, I looked

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at this letter, it says,
an I got like a shivery, says,

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I can't believe what I'm kind of
reading here. So it said it

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was a letter addressed to a group
of where wolf wolves, a group of

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them. Now let's assume then that
all of this is a load of rubbish

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and there are individuals who think they're
were wolves. This is dangerous as people,

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seriously is The letter told them where
they were going to meet the next

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meeting, and it was it were
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And then there was addresses and places
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butcher's shops where they could get raw
meat and awful instillages and containers with without

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being detected. There was a list
of where they could get raw meat from

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skips at the back of supermarkets.
This is two thousand and eight, and

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now, he said, He said, I wish I'd have kept it,

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he said, but I just thought
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Then it's not something like that's come
into his head every every day of

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the week forever. But occasionally he's
crusted through his mind and he's not,

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he said. I ain't got an
interest in the subject, really, he

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said, But one of your podcasts
came up while I'm browsing through things in

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East Yorkshire and I had a listener
and I thought this might be relevant.

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This and and and told me about
it, and I just think, let's

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see, I'm just see if there's
anything else that's on it. Now I

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think I've covered it. I'll just
say it with a village in East Yorkshire,

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and there was a list of places
and where they could get the meet

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and there was a next meeting place
under the heel hessel forshaw Bridge. Now

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fifteen years ago. Even chances are
this this is just a group of individuals.

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They've got a strange obsession. Let's
let's leave it. Let's say it's

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like that. It's still weird enough
that that me talking about this makes might

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make somebody angry that they've been exposed. So I've literally changed quite a lot

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in that story. The core ingredients
about the location, the core ingredients about

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the where, the food sources and
everything else is absolutely spot on. But

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for somebody's just to protect identity,
I've just switched things around a bit.

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YEA quite quite chilling, chilling because
I won't we used to use some more

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years ago, most of us did. You would more than not leave,

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you'd forget it and have to go
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You'd always leave that blasted top copy
in the tray on the top of

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shop. Flip. Yeah, So
that is very sinister, isn't And even

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if this was a prank, you
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stationary shop with an unassuming guy that
has nothing, no connection with as far

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as he knows. But how normal. So there is really spooking. And

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what strange is this person still lives
in the same town. It's a small

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town, and he's never seen them
since before another song before and he's never

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seen them since this gentleman that came
in, which is possible, I suppose,

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but I just think it's a little
it's a creepy little story. Well,

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you know, that's remind me of
The Circle of the Werewolf by Stephen

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king By. First introduction of them
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novella illustrated by a cartoonist or a
comic book artist, brilliant artist. This

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was in nineteen eighty five, I
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it showed these werewolves within this chair. It was very gothic and they're all

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together, so that that just immediately
conjured that image up of this meeting of

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these So I want to ask Paul. What's very interesting because your research has

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been to begin with, aligned to
your apology, what you call the you

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know, the light phenomena, and
now progressively moving towards what people would term

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as cryptozoology, but most notably the
dogman or the werewolf. And of course

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this is very interesting how now you're
trying to make parallels between not only the

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light phenomena and what people call UFOs
and all other errors a strange phenomena.

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And I've got to say what you
say and you listen people out there,

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you've got to understand that Paul's research
is very multidimension. Is the best selling

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in context, but now it is
the Yeah, you are best selling and

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a star as well. But you
know it's to do with the dogman.

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Now, Now that is interesting,
isn't it? Because the what you just

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read to us, what you you
kind of like explained to us, had

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made me feel quite cold, because
we are under the assumption of whether or

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not these I will call them dogmen
are actually humans that can change into a

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werewolf, or whether or not they
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whatever what I mean? What got
you interested in the dogman? Paul?

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What was it that got you linked
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think it was that first book and
the newspaper, the Bridlington Free Press and

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a few others kindly put. I
wrote a little article saying that I were

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writing the book and I'd like people's
stories of the stranger unusual, and I

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got they got two stories from Flixton
about this bipedal fir covered creature. So

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I did a bit of work do
not door knocking, but talking to locals

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around and be weird thing to knock
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n't it in the village of Flixton
and Fulton? And I started to find

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out more and more, And then
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and it's almost like a snowball.
The more you start talking about it,

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the more you get people had experiences
who feel like they've got somewhere to

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go to offload, you know.
I mean, just to briefly jump from

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what you're saying, I mean,
there's there's some of them witnesses that we

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have in wolf Lands. Steve in
particular, I mean when when he spoke

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to me on the phone and I'm
not saying anything out to turn people,

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he'd say this himself. He just
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apart from Jim, who was with
him when they saw it, he'd got

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nobody to talk to, and to
have somebody to talk to. I'm not

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saying I could understand it. I'd
have had to be studying their shoes to

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have understood this. But I suppose
it's having an open enough mind to see

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when you think, when you gauge
that you think somebody's on the level and

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they're telling the truth here, and
then treat them with as much respect as

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possible. And it's just that that
combination and then this magnitude amoth amount of

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stories that are coming in. We
did the we did a Zoom meeting on

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Thursday night, and I looked on
YouTube see how it we're going the other

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day, and somebody's put a comment
in that they they've had one of these

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experiences. And I've not said he
as an email dress tell me about it.

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Brev said, if you'd like to
talk about it, please get in

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touch. And I just let that
settle, because what there's more and more

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of them, and it's it's such
a do we think that these creatures?

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Do we do we think that they're
actually living and breeding. I don't know

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what your views are. I don't
personally. That's from somewhere else. Yeah,

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yes, it's it's possible they're coming
through a course or interdimensional talking about

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them. Sorry for them speaking about
them. It's not only they're not only

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famous. Now from from your your
your corner, the whole world. I

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mean, we're looking at the United
States and the National Park. They are

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reported by very highly respected individuals,
including enforcement officers who've seen them. This

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is coming out. And of course, just like the aliens who discussed,

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just as we discussed, we couldn't
speak about it. Then they were told

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to keep part. Thirty years later
they then come up with these stories.

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accounts is most notably the glowing eyes
which are seen. Now we can either

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take this one or two ways in
terms of the kind of like paranormal idea.

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I know there was one case whether
gentleman called Joe Barger who actually had

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00:30:38,680 --> 00:30:42,920
apparently shocked one of these things,
and then come across these two federal officers

408
00:30:44,000 --> 00:30:48,400
that claimed that this thing was an
asset. And then you have the other

409
00:30:48,839 --> 00:30:55,799
end of the coin where a lot
of law enforcement officers and witnesses in national

410
00:30:55,920 --> 00:31:00,119
parks, and of course your area
of the woods where you are in FLIX.

411
00:31:00,200 --> 00:31:03,440
The most notably flixed them up in
Bempton, Indian you know, where

412
00:31:03,519 --> 00:31:07,759
where they appear to be paranormal.
They seem to come in and go out

413
00:31:07,839 --> 00:31:10,640
like there's no trace of them to
be found. Do you know what I

414
00:31:10,759 --> 00:31:12,799
think about that? Do you know
what I think? I think that when

415
00:31:12,880 --> 00:31:15,920
they are seen, and they are
seen, they are real. We we

416
00:31:17,200 --> 00:31:19,759
we we know they're real. Now
we've there's enough evidence, you're your own

417
00:31:19,839 --> 00:31:26,480
research, they're real, without a
doubt, absolutely what they're doing. I

418
00:31:26,799 --> 00:31:30,279
immediately suspected those agents who said it's
an I said, I think they're lying.

419
00:31:30,839 --> 00:31:34,240
They are aware of the problem,
so they try and cover it with

420
00:31:34,440 --> 00:31:40,279
this kind of military sort of like
the UFOs. So it's a lie.

421
00:31:40,400 --> 00:31:42,079
They have no control over them,
they're aware of them, they probably track

422
00:31:42,119 --> 00:31:45,279
them, they can't catch them,
and they're there when they're obviously within the

423
00:31:45,359 --> 00:31:48,839
vicinity. That's my opinion, So
they don't know what they are. And

424
00:31:49,240 --> 00:31:52,240
I tend to agree that. I
think you're kind of on the money with

425
00:31:52,359 --> 00:31:59,160
that. And it's so interesting that
the places that the scene are places where

426
00:31:59,200 --> 00:32:04,720
there's been human habitation over thousands of
years as well. I know we've all

427
00:32:04,759 --> 00:32:07,039
been in not us, but humans
have been in thousands of years. But

428
00:32:07,079 --> 00:32:14,279
I've been concentrated areas where there's evidence
of stone circles and standing stones and barrels,

429
00:32:14,519 --> 00:32:17,000
you know, burial mounds, and
you get these things seen around them.

430
00:32:17,200 --> 00:32:21,279
And then if you travel, let's
let's go to Egypt and we've got

431
00:32:21,319 --> 00:32:24,200
another guardian of the dead. Are
they somehow guardians of the dead, because

432
00:32:24,240 --> 00:32:29,640
we've got a Nubis who was said
to be guardian of the dead, dog

433
00:32:30,000 --> 00:32:34,160
a dog many or you know,
a man in the form of a dog.

434
00:32:35,039 --> 00:32:37,799
Yes. And of course when you
look at the skin walker Rge,

435
00:32:37,839 --> 00:32:40,400
I mean you know your area where
you are. I mean you've made your

436
00:32:40,480 --> 00:32:45,680
area famous in the world of yourthology. You know where you are, Paul.

437
00:32:45,480 --> 00:32:52,640
But in Utah skin walker and when
they when the family had the encounter

438
00:32:52,839 --> 00:32:55,640
not so much with a dog woman
but with a huge wolf when they they

439
00:32:55,799 --> 00:32:59,400
shot at it, when they when
it was trying to attack one of their

440
00:32:59,599 --> 00:33:04,240
baby calfs through one of the where
the calf is being held, and they

441
00:33:04,359 --> 00:33:07,279
kind of like extensively chased it.
But it was moving away when they shot

442
00:33:07,319 --> 00:33:09,119
it. At lump of its flesh
apparently came off, but that the creature

443
00:33:09,119 --> 00:33:14,519
itself just disappeared into thin air.
But that piece that they that they shot,

444
00:33:14,599 --> 00:33:20,680
that piece of the hide became so
rotted and like it's degraded instantly.

445
00:33:20,720 --> 00:33:22,559
So I think it was to do
with time, yeah, or some kind

446
00:33:22,599 --> 00:33:30,079
of dimensional. There's some switching time
when there's back it's not within its own

447
00:33:30,160 --> 00:33:35,720
environment and deteriorates and well just evaporates. Yes, So I think in Philip

448
00:33:35,720 --> 00:33:38,599
Paul, that you know what you're
doing, the information that you're amassing with

449
00:33:38,759 --> 00:33:44,160
regards to your research now into the
I will call them the dogman because you

450
00:33:44,200 --> 00:33:49,000
know, you can either call them
the werewolf or the document further werewolfs either.

451
00:33:49,079 --> 00:33:52,960
Actually, but what we've got were
splitting airs because we're talking about one

452
00:33:53,000 --> 00:33:57,200
in the same do you know.
But there's so many things that sorry,

453
00:33:57,240 --> 00:33:59,680
Philip, I'm putting across you.
What is go ahead? I was going

454
00:33:59,720 --> 00:34:04,480
to say so many variants, not
of these things, but all of the

455
00:34:04,599 --> 00:34:10,840
phenomena. I were talking to someone, well last week, he likes to

456
00:34:10,880 --> 00:34:15,239
go shooting. He likes to go
pigeon shooting and pheasant shooting, and he

457
00:34:15,320 --> 00:34:21,360
also in his younger days did a
bit of poaching and in East Yorkshire.

458
00:34:22,039 --> 00:34:24,199
And could you could meet these stories, of course you could, but they're

459
00:34:24,280 --> 00:34:29,840
just so strange. He said,
we're coming back after we'd been somewhere we

460
00:34:29,880 --> 00:34:32,800
shouldn't have been, and we're walking
along this dirt track edges either side of

461
00:34:32,920 --> 00:34:36,800
us, and he said, we've
got a Bedlington Terriers with us, little

462
00:34:37,119 --> 00:34:40,800
working dogs. This hasn't dog stopped
and it's looking down at summer. Now

463
00:34:40,920 --> 00:34:44,679
get this so I made me laugh. To be honest, he said,

464
00:34:44,719 --> 00:34:46,239
Now looked. He said. It's
about a foot tall, and there's like

465
00:34:46,320 --> 00:34:50,480
a little devil. He said.
It were red colored, and it had

466
00:34:50,559 --> 00:34:54,400
got a mouthful of teeth. It
saysn't I booted it in air? It

467
00:34:54,480 --> 00:34:58,239
says, that will be first reaction. I just booted it into air,

468
00:34:58,639 --> 00:35:00,800
he said. And it went up
in air, and when it the ground

469
00:35:00,880 --> 00:35:07,000
it just vanished. Just quirky.
I love these short accounts. I love

470
00:35:07,079 --> 00:35:12,320
these little stories that people keep.
The World's full of strangeness, and the

471
00:35:12,440 --> 00:35:15,000
stranger it gets, the even the
stranger. You think you've heard everything and

472
00:35:15,039 --> 00:35:20,559
then subbody tells you something else.
I'm one weird yeah. I mean it's

473
00:35:20,639 --> 00:35:27,000
laughable that the fact that the man
says valid it valid it. It's probably

474
00:35:27,119 --> 00:35:30,239
deserved it the nastin or blighter.
But the thing is that when it vanished,

475
00:35:30,239 --> 00:35:34,480
that's telling, isn't it. Well, I think myself personally. One

476
00:35:34,519 --> 00:35:37,320
of the other areas that we have
to look at, and I have mentioned

477
00:35:37,400 --> 00:35:40,480
this, is that we create and
even through mythology, through the mind,

478
00:35:42,000 --> 00:35:45,039
and whether or not we actually ourselves
are the co creators to these things that

479
00:35:45,199 --> 00:35:49,599
become manifests. I mean, you've
got to look at all areas, but

480
00:35:49,719 --> 00:35:53,000
it seems interesting how they come in
and out. For instance, the werewolf

481
00:35:53,440 --> 00:36:00,320
will come in, it will physically
interact with our world, it will tack

482
00:36:00,440 --> 00:36:04,920
and there have been cases where there
have been murders, human murders that's been

483
00:36:04,960 --> 00:36:07,239
covered our Canada state and also a
lot of things, but then they just

484
00:36:07,480 --> 00:36:12,360
disappear as though that So this is
where the question of interaction not just with

485
00:36:12,599 --> 00:36:16,079
like werewolves, but also with what
we call aliens can do. So there's

486
00:36:16,119 --> 00:36:22,559
obviously parallels between the dots to be
made within these different areas of the phenomena

487
00:36:22,599 --> 00:36:27,159
itself. Although we put them into
pigeonholes UFOs, there were wolves there,

488
00:36:27,239 --> 00:36:30,639
and all the rest of it.
So I think and feel that the phenomena

489
00:36:30,800 --> 00:36:35,199
is kind of like operating on or
less the same principles, but they appear

490
00:36:35,280 --> 00:36:39,000
to be separate. They appear to
be separate. But what there's so many

491
00:36:39,079 --> 00:36:45,239
similarities to our which is basically I'm
just echoing what you've said there and all

492
00:36:45,320 --> 00:36:51,079
that. But you talk about them
being physical, but then you get the

493
00:36:51,159 --> 00:36:53,559
people report that they just they don't
walk, they glide, you know,

494
00:36:54,079 --> 00:37:00,079
they just arrived. The gamekeeper in
wolf Lands he said it went down the

495
00:37:00,119 --> 00:37:02,280
side of the building, but it
just arrived at just like I taking a

496
00:37:02,360 --> 00:37:07,320
torch beam down. So there's it's
almost as though they're only partially in our

497
00:37:07,440 --> 00:37:12,880
reality. And that could apply to
that little thing that the guy poaching said

498
00:37:12,880 --> 00:37:15,280
I kicked, because there must have
been some substance to it to kick it

499
00:37:15,440 --> 00:37:20,039
into the air. Once it hit
the ground, it just dissipated to nothing.

500
00:37:22,000 --> 00:37:24,199
I mean, it's like ghosts,
and I don't profess to have a

501
00:37:24,239 --> 00:37:30,000
lot of knowledge of ghosts, but
I think you can. You guys will

502
00:37:30,000 --> 00:37:34,199
tell me more that better than I'll
tell you. But there's just some residual

503
00:37:34,360 --> 00:37:42,559
tracing because in some aspects the ghost
seems to have an awareness or is the

504
00:37:42,639 --> 00:37:47,440
ghost spiritualism, the werewolf, the
UFO, is it all being projected by

505
00:37:47,599 --> 00:37:53,000
one we'll call it a godhead or
one intelligence? And like, oh,

506
00:37:53,079 --> 00:37:58,599
that silly fool in Bridlington Paul Sinclair
is looking into werewolf, so you know,

507
00:37:58,880 --> 00:38:00,599
we're gonna let him see some thing
like that. I think we're moving

508
00:38:00,719 --> 00:38:07,960
down more towards our suspicions of this, those like yourself and others like us

509
00:38:08,039 --> 00:38:16,400
as well. We're moving away from
this individualistic alien specie kind of cryptic sort

510
00:38:16,440 --> 00:38:22,519
of thing where they all have different
kinds of you know, make up,

511
00:38:22,599 --> 00:38:28,880
bigfoots, wear warfall that into perhaps
one single thing something here with us,

512
00:38:29,400 --> 00:38:32,360
something ancient. But then you will
have people arguing that the UFOs are real,

513
00:38:32,440 --> 00:38:36,039
they're physical. Well, we've seen
them, so we know that.

514
00:38:36,840 --> 00:38:39,199
So you know, sometimes I wonder
if it's a case of trying to throw

515
00:38:39,320 --> 00:38:44,320
us off the scent. Always look
the other way, Always look the other

516
00:38:44,400 --> 00:38:46,320
way. Don't look where they're looking. The people look the other way.

517
00:38:46,559 --> 00:38:52,119
It's as if you were being muddled. You see, when people are abducted,

518
00:38:52,239 --> 00:38:55,320
some have good case experiences, others
have bad. But why is that?

519
00:38:55,599 --> 00:39:00,679
Because they don't want you to know
something. I would agree, and

520
00:39:00,760 --> 00:39:06,920
it's probably the same phenomena. The
same beings that are giving people the good

521
00:39:06,960 --> 00:39:09,880
experiences were also giving people the bad
experience. Yes, you know, I've

522
00:39:09,880 --> 00:39:15,159
got nothing good good to say for
what happened to me. But by the

523
00:39:15,239 --> 00:39:19,840
same token, I believe that some
people have had good experiences. It's just

524
00:39:20,519 --> 00:39:22,880
it's just the way that I don't
know. They must want different things from

525
00:39:22,920 --> 00:39:28,519
other from different people. It's that
the cattle mutilations, I made an observation

526
00:39:28,599 --> 00:39:30,559
on this. I made an observation
a while back. Now, when the

527
00:39:30,679 --> 00:39:35,920
cattle you will find it they find, which is very sad for the cattle,

528
00:39:36,280 --> 00:39:39,000
you know, find bits and pieces
stripped, you know, like sensitive

529
00:39:39,079 --> 00:39:45,400
areas I put that respectfully removed,
you know, jawbones and also the blood.

530
00:39:45,639 --> 00:39:50,679
Now could that be a kind of
ruse on whatever is doing? It's

531
00:39:50,960 --> 00:39:53,159
so we keep looking at the jawbone
when an actual effect the thing they only

532
00:39:53,199 --> 00:39:59,159
take always is the blood. And
also always always the blood. And why

533
00:39:59,360 --> 00:40:01,119
is it that I'm backed on on
the ground, Well, why we were

534
00:40:01,159 --> 00:40:05,719
to discover them? But why yes, why not just get rid of the

535
00:40:05,880 --> 00:40:09,000
carcass where it's taking. Yeah,
I would agree if if these things,

536
00:40:09,119 --> 00:40:15,920
which obviously they are, can do
this without being detected, can remove these

537
00:40:15,960 --> 00:40:20,440
animals and then drop them back,
they could. Surely they could, because

538
00:40:20,480 --> 00:40:22,719
we know that they're intelligent. Could
it be, you said, why,

539
00:40:22,760 --> 00:40:28,119
Ronald, Could it be the fact
that they don't. They don't. They're

540
00:40:28,119 --> 00:40:30,800
not even bothered that we were questioning
any of this. They're just doing it

541
00:40:31,039 --> 00:40:34,920
to suit their agenda. Yes,
I can get what you're saying with the

542
00:40:34,960 --> 00:40:40,559
confusion. Twenty seventeen, up at
Bempton, fifty sheep faces stripped of skin,

543
00:40:42,079 --> 00:40:45,800
always a front left leg. Don't
ask me why, ears removed,

544
00:40:45,039 --> 00:40:49,960
eyes removed. But it weren't just
sheep, It were fox, It were

545
00:40:50,079 --> 00:40:55,320
badger. And then below those fields, on the rocks below you've got harbor

546
00:40:55,360 --> 00:41:02,199
pour poise, the little dolphins,
huge holes through the jaws and I really

547
00:41:02,280 --> 00:41:07,440
don't know. And then you've I
always have a cap thing we're talking about

548
00:41:07,440 --> 00:41:12,159
today for people. But then you've
got you jumped into the wallabies oft swer

549
00:41:12,199 --> 00:41:16,840
Behal We decapitated. But when you
look then you realize that in those months

550
00:41:17,000 --> 00:41:20,440
I think it were June, but
in the month of June, and then

551
00:41:20,519 --> 00:41:23,000
it went on for a few months
all over the United Kingdom small animal pacts.

552
00:41:23,199 --> 00:41:28,800
Wallaby is decapitated. Strange. Yes, it's almost dermonic, doesn't it

553
00:41:29,920 --> 00:41:31,559
Sick, isn't it. I was
going to say that, you know,

554
00:41:31,719 --> 00:41:36,360
at the end of the day,
whichever way, however, Macaba, this

555
00:41:36,599 --> 00:41:39,280
is. You know, it's the
truth. And I think a lot of

556
00:41:39,360 --> 00:41:43,960
people within the community, especially in
paranormal you have a research want all the

557
00:41:44,079 --> 00:41:47,159
lovey dovey light sensational stuff. I
think when we look into the rawness of

558
00:41:47,239 --> 00:41:50,760
this, like we look into the
rawness of human nature, it shows us

559
00:41:50,840 --> 00:41:52,760
more about ourselves. And I think
with us more to do with the phenomena

560
00:41:52,800 --> 00:41:58,639
at hand. And I think and
feel that what's what's really amazing with you,

561
00:41:58,880 --> 00:42:01,599
Paul, is not just the like
phenomena, and of course the you

562
00:42:01,679 --> 00:42:07,079
know, the strange beasts around your
your locations that you've you know, you've

563
00:42:07,119 --> 00:42:12,159
examined, explored, research and investigated. But now this new era. And

564
00:42:12,239 --> 00:42:15,960
you said that you thought you'd never
get involved, never in regards to the

565
00:42:15,039 --> 00:42:20,920
werewolf research, and I know that
you are you. I think you've almost

566
00:42:20,960 --> 00:42:27,199
completed Wolf Lens, haven't you.
Wolf leans us finished yesterday. Wonderful We've

567
00:42:27,239 --> 00:42:30,480
got We've got the music back from
Mick Park and Nick Brittain and they've worked

568
00:42:30,519 --> 00:42:35,119
on it with my daughter in her
music studio. My daughter's husband's Nick,

569
00:42:35,159 --> 00:42:37,360
so we've got a few there's two
of them. That gets a bit mixed

570
00:42:37,440 --> 00:42:39,360
up, but yeah, it's finished. The music's being added, which is

571
00:42:39,440 --> 00:42:43,639
bespoke. It just it goes to
all parts of the film. It's not

572
00:42:43,760 --> 00:42:46,719
just an overlay. They've really worked
hard on it and we're really appreciative.

573
00:42:47,079 --> 00:42:51,000
So now we've got to find somewhere
to place it to you know, obviously

574
00:42:51,480 --> 00:42:53,360
it's three years of work, so
we don't just want to put it onto

575
00:42:53,440 --> 00:42:59,559
YouTube. I don't This is going
to sound like a boast people, but

576
00:42:59,639 --> 00:43:02,320
I don't think there's been a cryptid
documentary, certainly in the United Kingdom ever

577
00:43:02,440 --> 00:43:07,280
been made like wolf Lands. And
it's it's interesting. We've got first hand

578
00:43:07,320 --> 00:43:15,199
witnesses unconnected to each other. It's
just been a lovely combination of people that

579
00:43:15,360 --> 00:43:20,719
came together at the right place,
right time, if you to sort of

580
00:43:21,320 --> 00:43:24,480
place ye. But yeah, it's
fabulous and we've done a full mix of

581
00:43:24,519 --> 00:43:28,840
it and we're starting the second one. Well, yeah, and I'm doing

582
00:43:28,880 --> 00:43:31,000
some work with Chris Turner me and
Chris have got a series of projects on

583
00:43:31,119 --> 00:43:35,320
the go. Excuse me, Chris
is going to come through and we're going

584
00:43:35,400 --> 00:43:37,440
to start them. But I couldn't
really do another wolf Lands. We are

585
00:43:37,599 --> 00:43:42,360
less because it's been there from the
beginning that we've had some right arguments people,

586
00:43:42,400 --> 00:43:45,880
But at the end of the day, it's not I'm not blaming less

587
00:43:45,000 --> 00:43:49,719
Amas awkward to be around as Lessie's
at times. I think we all know

588
00:43:49,880 --> 00:43:52,480
that we've all got us faults and
you know, good bots, aren't we,

589
00:43:52,920 --> 00:43:54,960
Yes, we're all you know,
we're all We're human, aren't we.

590
00:43:55,239 --> 00:43:59,119
So you know it's one of those
things, isn't it. And also

591
00:43:59,199 --> 00:44:02,639
when you're producing sudding as huge as
this, you're going to have, you

592
00:44:02,760 --> 00:44:07,320
know, like kind of disagreements.
Me and him, Philip and I have

593
00:44:07,440 --> 00:44:09,320
disagreements. We argue like cat and
dog, but we love each other.

594
00:44:09,679 --> 00:44:13,760
You know. It's only because you
want to get it right. That's the

595
00:44:13,840 --> 00:44:15,519
main thing. That is the main
thing. I mean, I never thought

596
00:44:15,559 --> 00:44:19,360
it were going to take three years
to do. I'll be honest with you.

597
00:44:19,559 --> 00:44:22,920
We know COVID stopped it for a
while getting out and interviewing people,

598
00:44:22,960 --> 00:44:27,559
but it shouldn't have took three years. But that's no reflection on Les.

599
00:44:28,039 --> 00:44:30,760
I'd never I'd done Bringing Down the
Light with Chris Turner, and I've done

600
00:44:30,800 --> 00:44:34,280
a bit of the filming, but
I've done no editing, or Chris did

601
00:44:34,320 --> 00:44:38,079
all the editing. But with wolf
Lands, me and Les Less has done

602
00:44:38,239 --> 00:44:42,639
the technically is the guy that knows
how to do it. I'm doing it

603
00:44:42,760 --> 00:44:45,480
now myself, but not on their
level. But with wolf Lands, all

604
00:44:45,559 --> 00:44:50,360
the input all that's if it flops, it will be you'll be able to

605
00:44:50,440 --> 00:44:53,719
I can all my end up and
say it's it's my right. You know

606
00:44:53,760 --> 00:44:58,360
what I mean. But no,
I just I'd like to be honest like

607
00:44:58,519 --> 00:45:00,880
it is. I don't think you. Well, one thing I will say,

608
00:45:01,039 --> 00:45:06,280
and I've noticed this, especially in
our super age of the Internet,

609
00:45:06,719 --> 00:45:12,639
especially when people access Netflix and you
know, Amazon, Prime Prime, you

610
00:45:12,719 --> 00:45:16,199
know that people are very interested in
documentaries, especially the supernatural. Well,

611
00:45:16,400 --> 00:45:23,519
what was once suppressed or mocked during
the eighties even long after perhaps is now

612
00:45:24,320 --> 00:45:30,159
becoming what we would call invote because
people know the light can't be kept,

613
00:45:30,599 --> 00:45:32,320
they can't keep a lid on it. Things are getting out and thanks to

614
00:45:32,400 --> 00:45:37,440
researchers like your top researchers like you
who are bringing this to the fall to

615
00:45:37,639 --> 00:45:40,000
tell people that there is something wrong. There is something here with us,

616
00:45:40,679 --> 00:45:44,599
you see, and we don't know
what it is. We have no understanding

617
00:45:44,639 --> 00:45:46,599
what it is. But God bless
you because people like you, Paul,

618
00:45:46,840 --> 00:45:52,679
you dedicate now your entire life by
bringing down the light. You know that

619
00:45:52,880 --> 00:45:57,880
manset that would have shown the one
in itself, bringing down the light Man,

620
00:45:58,519 --> 00:46:02,400
which we're going to actually was in
one documentaries because I did say too

621
00:46:02,880 --> 00:46:07,960
well. Ronald's just said for people
that aren't a wear bringing down the Light.

622
00:46:07,079 --> 00:46:10,360
And it's the subtitle of book three. But there's a reason for that.

623
00:46:12,000 --> 00:46:15,960
I didn't actually think of the subtitle. And I can't remember the exact

624
00:46:16,079 --> 00:46:21,840
date, but not to run around
trees too much people. My daughter gave

625
00:46:21,880 --> 00:46:24,960
me a phone and we'll say it's
back in twenty sixteen, I think it

626
00:46:25,199 --> 00:46:29,519
was, and I had to go
and get it unlocked. So we left

627
00:46:29,559 --> 00:46:37,320
our home map myself and my wife
Mary cold just about approaching winter sunny day

628
00:46:37,000 --> 00:46:43,880
in twenty sixteen, and there's a
guy on the other side at road with

629
00:46:44,039 --> 00:46:46,320
a shirt with shirt off, and
it's got an old bike out side of

630
00:46:46,400 --> 00:46:51,199
him, a green bike that you
that you'd have fore them bread adverts and

631
00:46:51,280 --> 00:46:53,960
it's a traitfl ting green bike.
As soon as I leave the door,

632
00:46:54,280 --> 00:46:59,719
he starts shouting to me, you're
bringing down the light. You're causing big

633
00:47:00,280 --> 00:47:04,079
You're causing big problems. I didn't
know at that moment that's what he was

634
00:47:04,159 --> 00:47:06,559
saying to me. I just thought
you were talking about the weather. And

635
00:47:06,599 --> 00:47:08,559
I thought he's a bit of a
strange one, this fellow. And I

636
00:47:08,679 --> 00:47:12,199
just nodded and said, I think
I said words to the effect of,

637
00:47:12,559 --> 00:47:14,639
well, met the most of it, because we're not gonna have many more

638
00:47:14,679 --> 00:47:16,800
sunny days like this. But he's
still shouting it. And I went round

639
00:47:16,880 --> 00:47:21,440
corner to the shop where they were
going to unlock the phone for me,

640
00:47:21,440 --> 00:47:22,599
and I said to Mary, I
said, a strange bloke that because he

641
00:47:22,679 --> 00:47:28,280
looked, he looked strange people.
He really did. His bald head,

642
00:47:28,760 --> 00:47:31,840
he had all the attributes of somebody
that were very fit. But because but

643
00:47:31,960 --> 00:47:38,280
he looked it looked like an action
man. If literally he looked. He

644
00:47:38,400 --> 00:47:43,599
looked like you were made. It
was strange. So anyway, we took

645
00:47:43,639 --> 00:47:45,960
the phone and left it. He
says, come back in a few hours,

646
00:47:45,760 --> 00:47:49,800
and I'm walking back. I even
considered going other way so and I

647
00:47:49,880 --> 00:47:52,519
must have rattled me so but we
walked back the same way, and now

648
00:47:52,559 --> 00:47:55,320
he's at our side at road and
he sat with his back to us on

649
00:47:55,400 --> 00:48:00,159
a wall and he's got a tight
fitting dark brown jumper on his Bike's still

650
00:48:00,199 --> 00:48:02,920
at the other side at road.
On this it's like a crescent that fans

651
00:48:02,960 --> 00:48:06,679
out. And I said to Mary, I sah, my god, that

652
00:48:06,719 --> 00:48:09,599
blokes the other any road. We
just got close to him and he turned

653
00:48:09,679 --> 00:48:15,000
round, literally as we approached.
He turned round, and it's straight on

654
00:48:15,119 --> 00:48:17,960
me, and he goes, you
have to stop. You know what you're

655
00:48:19,000 --> 00:48:22,800
doing. You're causing big problems.
You're bringing down the light. You've got

656
00:48:22,920 --> 00:48:25,400
to stop. And what you want
about I said, don't. I don't

657
00:48:25,480 --> 00:48:30,039
really know what you're trying to say. And then he said a few lines

658
00:48:30,119 --> 00:48:34,920
to me, and I tried to
kind of beat him with words, and

659
00:48:35,039 --> 00:48:39,239
I couldn't whatever I said. He
turned round, and I mean, everybody

660
00:48:39,320 --> 00:48:42,719
knows me, and you guys are
pretty good at talking as well, and

661
00:48:43,320 --> 00:48:45,159
we can so you can kind of
hold your own in a conversation, but

662
00:48:45,400 --> 00:48:50,119
this guy had me not, so
I could not. If he'd said to

663
00:48:50,239 --> 00:48:52,719
me, it has showed me a
piece of paper and said that's white.

664
00:48:52,800 --> 00:48:54,119
Had a gun. Yeah, you're
right, and it had suddenly turned it

665
00:48:54,199 --> 00:48:58,000
round and that it were black,
and had about to believe him it would

666
00:48:58,039 --> 00:49:04,159
it would just really strange. So
he's giving it all this and I'm stood

667
00:49:04,199 --> 00:49:06,599
facing him at one moment, and
I'm looking at him. He's got full

668
00:49:06,639 --> 00:49:10,119
of wrap around sunglasses on this tight
fitting jumper and I can't gauge his age,

669
00:49:10,679 --> 00:49:16,639
and he kind of looked like spam
his skin. And Mary stood between

670
00:49:16,719 --> 00:49:19,880
us, but more on the side
to this guy, and he reached out

671
00:49:19,920 --> 00:49:24,079
and put his hand on his shoulder
and I didn't obviously people, but there

672
00:49:24,079 --> 00:49:28,000
were a split second where I was
going to grab his arm, but he

673
00:49:28,079 --> 00:49:30,639
just did it once and took his
hand away his I'm not talking to her,

674
00:49:30,239 --> 00:49:34,880
I'm talking to you. You are
causing big problems. You are bringing

675
00:49:34,960 --> 00:49:37,639
down the light. You have got
to stop, and and I just said,

676
00:49:37,679 --> 00:49:39,599
look, I said, I'm not
I don't know what you're on with

677
00:49:39,760 --> 00:49:43,679
Mete, and I can't deal with
this. I'm going and he's shouting it

678
00:49:43,840 --> 00:49:46,519
at me all down the road.
I'm bringing down the light now where I

679
00:49:46,599 --> 00:49:51,320
started with his story because I old
Ronald brought the subtitle of the buck Up

680
00:49:52,519 --> 00:49:54,760
where we will be using it in
a future documentary with chrisau with Les.

681
00:49:54,840 --> 00:50:00,079
Because across the road straight up as
it is a barber's shop, John the

682
00:50:00,159 --> 00:50:04,480
barber. I've known him since I've
lived in Bridlington. John came to see

683
00:50:04,559 --> 00:50:07,079
us, I don't know a day
later, a few days later, and

684
00:50:07,159 --> 00:50:09,599
he said, oh, that then
that you saw the other day. I

685
00:50:09,679 --> 00:50:12,239
said, what do you mean?
He said, well, that guy we're

686
00:50:12,280 --> 00:50:14,519
waiting for you. I says,
what do you mean. He says,

687
00:50:14,519 --> 00:50:17,440
well, well, he says,
I've got people in the shop obviously cutting

688
00:50:17,519 --> 00:50:21,559
air, he says, and we're
all watching him. And he had been

689
00:50:21,599 --> 00:50:23,559
on other side a road on this
fanned out crescent, he said, because

690
00:50:23,599 --> 00:50:27,599
he did look unusual when he'd got
his shirt off on a very cold day.

691
00:50:28,280 --> 00:50:30,199
He said, as soon as you
come out of your gate, he

692
00:50:30,320 --> 00:50:35,039
were there. He were waiting for
you. So we're going to get John

693
00:50:35,119 --> 00:50:37,960
on film, to be honest and
get him. It doesn't make the story

694
00:50:37,039 --> 00:50:40,079
true, people, but at least
we know it's not just Paul saying.

695
00:50:40,119 --> 00:50:43,559
It might mean my wife were there
as well, and I like that's I

696
00:50:43,639 --> 00:50:45,719
think that's the thing we have to
do as researchers, just pack as much

697
00:50:45,760 --> 00:50:51,199
meat around the bone of a story
as we can because after the time,

698
00:50:51,280 --> 00:50:54,760
Philip Ron, we can't prove what
we're saying because it is a truth that

699
00:50:54,880 --> 00:51:00,559
leaves no proof. However, if
we can just fill those those gaps with

700
00:51:00,119 --> 00:51:05,960
witnesses and with bits of information that
make it hard and are more plausible than

701
00:51:06,039 --> 00:51:07,639
that's what we've got to do.
So John the barber a long way around

702
00:51:07,679 --> 00:51:12,280
to get to him. People sorry
about that, do you know, Paul.

703
00:51:13,000 --> 00:51:17,119
So they don't like what you're doing, whatever this is. They don't

704
00:51:17,199 --> 00:51:22,760
like exposure. This is key,
you see, that is absolute key.

705
00:51:22,920 --> 00:51:28,199
What he told you is something we're
doing you yourself. They don't like it

706
00:51:28,679 --> 00:51:31,079
or carry on doing it because you
know, what the hell do they think

707
00:51:31,119 --> 00:51:35,559
they can do next? And that
does strike me the man, I mean,

708
00:51:35,599 --> 00:51:38,360
I have read about the case anyway, and I've heard you before explains

709
00:51:38,440 --> 00:51:45,079
fascinating incident. But what it does
prove is that you're notede And it's like

710
00:51:45,199 --> 00:51:51,800
that man says, you have a
new enemy. I must say that your

711
00:51:51,960 --> 00:51:57,800
experience is and could be attributed to
some kind of modern men in black scenario

712
00:51:58,000 --> 00:52:01,320
because a lot of the in the
old days when someone had seen a UFA,

713
00:52:01,360 --> 00:52:04,440
they'd have these strange men in black
coming up. And I know that

714
00:52:04,559 --> 00:52:09,199
your your lovely friend Bob Brown,
who we know had an experience with them.

715
00:52:09,239 --> 00:52:14,079
But it seems to me that the
phenomena when they like these men in

716
00:52:14,119 --> 00:52:15,639
black. I'm not saying the guy
was a man in black, but it's

717
00:52:15,719 --> 00:52:21,800
close to it. And you hear
these stories where the person seems to go

718
00:52:21,880 --> 00:52:24,760
along with what they're saying, seems
to distort they it's like trying to I

719
00:52:24,840 --> 00:52:28,480
remembered once someone tried to give me
a name, very odd. I'm not

720
00:52:28,480 --> 00:52:30,599
going to go into it. Their
name over the telephone to do with UFO

721
00:52:30,719 --> 00:52:36,119
stuff, research stuff. I couldn't
spell the name. Now you and I

722
00:52:36,280 --> 00:52:38,400
know about words. I could not
get the names spelled. I couldn't,

723
00:52:38,400 --> 00:52:42,039
no matter how many times. And
this happened twice with me. So I

724
00:52:42,159 --> 00:52:47,840
understand that where they seem to override
you, they they empower themselves over you

725
00:52:49,000 --> 00:52:53,400
and disrupt you and leave you kind
of shaken. So yeah, it was

726
00:52:53,480 --> 00:52:59,039
confusing. And just to briefly stay
with up Mary, we're facing the bike.

727
00:53:00,239 --> 00:53:02,639
Oh, I asked the guy,
there's another ingredient to this story five

728
00:53:02,679 --> 00:53:06,079
time. I asked the guy where
he was from, USA? Is where

729
00:53:06,079 --> 00:53:09,199
are you from? And he went, we didn't know. We couldn't remember

730
00:53:09,239 --> 00:53:14,599
at the time. He went Ripple. And when we got in we were

731
00:53:14,639 --> 00:53:16,079
talking about him, and I said
to Mary, said, where did he

732
00:53:16,119 --> 00:53:21,800
say? I can't remember. I'm
not saying that this is attributed to the

733
00:53:21,840 --> 00:53:23,800
man that went missing. But a
few weeks later a man went missing at

734
00:53:23,880 --> 00:53:29,360
Bempton and it wasn't him, by
the way, And I went and he

735
00:53:29,400 --> 00:53:31,360
told minds up now and say,
I don't I can't say that this man

736
00:53:31,440 --> 00:53:37,360
had anything to do with that,
but that man were from Ripple. Oh

737
00:53:37,079 --> 00:53:43,079
yeah, you know what this thing, this thing you said about men in

738
00:53:43,199 --> 00:53:45,800
black, you're talking about the gentleman. This is the same phenomena. I

739
00:53:45,880 --> 00:53:49,599
am. I wouldn't be at all
surprised. It's the same thing that it

740
00:53:49,679 --> 00:53:54,760
can manifest into giving your messages appearing
as if wishes too. It's chameleon like,

741
00:53:55,320 --> 00:54:00,400
Ronnie. You know, it's it's
it's absolutely it's almost chameleon like in

742
00:54:00,480 --> 00:54:04,719
it's in its motives because it's it's
got many hats. I mean, if

743
00:54:04,840 --> 00:54:07,079
let's go back to the nineteen fifties, and sixties, and let's look at

744
00:54:07,239 --> 00:54:13,639
UFO reports, and let's look at
the stationary, the staple explanations for them.

745
00:54:13,880 --> 00:54:17,159
It's a weather balloon, the same
UFOs. But we're not seeing weather

746
00:54:17,199 --> 00:54:22,400
balloons now, how we No military
personnel, no, no governing bodies,

747
00:54:22,480 --> 00:54:24,239
no, no, nobody from academia
are coming out and saying it's a weather

748
00:54:24,280 --> 00:54:29,199
balloon. And suddenly we've stopped saying
that as an ex as an explanation.

749
00:54:30,199 --> 00:54:31,800
And I know that's not done to
apply to what we're saying now. But

750
00:54:31,880 --> 00:54:35,280
you were saying, could it have
been the men in black? I believe

751
00:54:35,400 --> 00:54:38,559
that that guy, whoever he was
or whatever he was, was there in

752
00:54:38,920 --> 00:54:44,519
a shape and form to intimidate because
I was looking at him our way in

753
00:54:44,679 --> 00:54:47,159
situation up. I'll be honest with
and I thinking, I can't tell how

754
00:54:47,239 --> 00:54:51,000
old you are. You look very
muscular. You look at you like I'm

755
00:54:51,039 --> 00:54:53,159
only five foot six. You look
like you're about five foot nine, maybe

756
00:54:53,320 --> 00:55:00,280
five ten. And if I do
smack you in the nose, because it

757
00:55:00,440 --> 00:55:04,760
crossed my mind, I'm not joking, because you know, I didn't know

758
00:55:04,800 --> 00:55:07,199
what he were going to do it
with his hand on Mary's shoulder, I'm

759
00:55:07,280 --> 00:55:13,480
going to come off worse here.
I were already working out what the end

760
00:55:13,599 --> 00:55:19,320
game could have been, and I
think it was just intimidation. Yeah,

761
00:55:19,920 --> 00:55:23,039
that's the way of him drawing your
attention, as the barber said, yeah,

762
00:55:23,039 --> 00:55:27,599
and breaching around. The barber said, with the staff and the customers

763
00:55:27,639 --> 00:55:30,599
loitering, and then he was waiting
for you. So bringing down the light,

764
00:55:31,119 --> 00:55:35,440
John, my my screen went blank. Then. I don't know that

765
00:55:35,519 --> 00:55:37,159
you noticed it at your end,
did you. No, No, No,

766
00:55:37,239 --> 00:55:42,639
it's probably glitching computer, nothing like
untoward. But two men in Blackpool

767
00:55:43,599 --> 00:55:46,519
the screening black. Yeah. So
yeah, that that were an interesting little

768
00:55:46,599 --> 00:55:51,079
story, you know, bringing down
the light a strange experience, and in

769
00:55:51,159 --> 00:55:53,199
a way, I'm glad Mary were
there to experience it. I don't mean

770
00:55:53,280 --> 00:55:57,920
it were nice. I'm just just
that we need to hear whists and a

771
00:55:58,000 --> 00:56:02,119
lot of times these things operate in
the hours of darkness. I mean,

772
00:56:02,280 --> 00:56:07,119
look at the what you call an
amlien gray that's what they are. That's

773
00:56:07,239 --> 00:56:09,920
that's but look at the eyes.
They're from a dark place, these things,

774
00:56:10,000 --> 00:56:14,880
aren't they. Yes, I did
mention in a book I wrote,

775
00:56:14,880 --> 00:56:16,639
The Digital Demon, that we did
look at the demonic aspect of it.

776
00:56:19,039 --> 00:56:22,840
The eyes but I know they do
differ sometimes, but certainly the ridge is

777
00:56:22,960 --> 00:56:27,599
quite prominence, isn't it. Yeah, I was going to say sorry for

778
00:56:27,880 --> 00:56:31,639
bringing down the light. I just
wanted to say this to you very quickly.

779
00:56:32,480 --> 00:56:37,039
Bringing it's almost as if this force
is in darkness and they don't want

780
00:56:37,159 --> 00:56:42,280
you to bring down that light.
Yeah, that's that's a good point.

781
00:56:42,639 --> 00:56:45,599
It really is. And when I
said from a dark place, I didn't

782
00:56:45,639 --> 00:56:51,000
mean I'm not trying to say that
the sinister. I mean I actually think

783
00:56:51,079 --> 00:56:54,320
their environment where they're from is a
dark place. And people say, oh,

784
00:56:54,360 --> 00:56:58,679
why do they usually only operating hours
of darkness? It could be that

785
00:56:58,880 --> 00:57:06,400
that's where they feel most comfortable.
Because when you look at any species within

786
00:57:06,679 --> 00:57:10,199
a bird species, owls, and
within the animal kingdom, the operator night,

787
00:57:10,440 --> 00:57:14,719
they've got big dark well, owls
have got orange eyes, aren't they

788
00:57:14,880 --> 00:57:16,519
booked? Do you know what I'm
saying? I know what you're saying.

789
00:57:17,000 --> 00:57:22,440
Absolutely, they seem equipped for the
night. That's that's what I'm saying.

790
00:57:22,000 --> 00:57:25,719
That marvelous observation of yours, Paul, marvelous. Yeah, well done.

791
00:57:25,800 --> 00:57:30,079
That's why you are absolutely a leading
researcher and we respect you, no and

792
00:57:30,239 --> 00:57:35,519
absolutely, especially with what you're doing
and what you've been through. You know,

793
00:57:35,679 --> 00:57:38,400
my goodness, what you've been through
and the people you've had to enjoy.

794
00:57:38,599 --> 00:57:42,039
You know, through this, the
good, the badly ugly. You

795
00:57:42,159 --> 00:57:44,960
know you've been through it all.
But I tell you what it's toughens you

796
00:57:45,079 --> 00:57:47,559
up, and I tell you what
it's it makes you a really really fantastic

797
00:57:47,639 --> 00:57:52,880
guy because your youth strike me as
being like a Patrick Moore. You won't

798
00:57:52,920 --> 00:57:55,639
have any nonsense in any respectful manner
in the us focummus yet No, no,

799
00:57:55,800 --> 00:58:01,239
no, not in that actual It's
fine. I'll tell what you'll you'll

800
00:58:01,440 --> 00:58:07,920
listen, I'll tell what you'll say. I love your guys, and loads

801
00:58:07,920 --> 00:58:12,079
of respect for you. You know, I haven't ever when we first met.

802
00:58:12,159 --> 00:58:15,159
And this is if it sounds,
if it sounds a bit, I

803
00:58:15,239 --> 00:58:17,880
don't know, sucking up to people, people who are listening. It's the

804
00:58:17,960 --> 00:58:22,920
truth these two fellas here, that
they're what you followed you and what the

805
00:58:22,960 --> 00:58:25,679
subject of the Unexplained is about,
because they put that arts and soul into

806
00:58:25,719 --> 00:58:30,360
it and it's brilliant. Well,
I have to say, Paul, that

807
00:58:30,679 --> 00:58:36,159
you yourself are and we understand because
you sometimes we all find ourselves in a

808
00:58:36,239 --> 00:58:40,320
very precarious position when you start to
become well known, and of course all

809
00:58:40,440 --> 00:58:44,719
that you and we are after is
the truth. And I think that is

810
00:58:44,760 --> 00:58:49,079
a testament to the work that you
have achieved so far, not just with

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00:58:49,280 --> 00:58:53,559
your books and not just with the
documentaries or the the talks that you do.

812
00:58:53,679 --> 00:58:57,280
And by the way, we have
to mention here that you are at

813
00:58:57,400 --> 00:59:00,480
the Awakening conference again, at the
one of the largest England. Can you

814
00:59:00,599 --> 00:59:02,920
tell your listeners about that please?
When that is yeah, I can't.

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00:59:02,960 --> 00:59:07,199
I can't tell you the dates people, I do apologize, but I can

816
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tell you that it is in Manchester
this year and it's the Bowlers Exhibition Center.

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I hope I've got that right,
people, I'm sure I have.

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00:59:14,760 --> 00:59:17,639
And there's lots of speak speakers.
There's a lot of speakers from overseas coming

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00:59:17,719 --> 00:59:25,119
and a varied amount of speakers as
well, you know, a massive array.

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00:59:25,360 --> 00:59:29,679
I will be talking about the night
people, but I know there's there'll

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00:59:29,679 --> 00:59:32,119
be people talking about love and light. There'll be people talking about bad things.

822
00:59:32,159 --> 00:59:36,719
You know, it's it's very odd
blows coming. I think we're opposite

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00:59:36,800 --> 00:59:39,800
ends at spectrum as regards what we
think these beings are but there's that's what

824
00:59:39,920 --> 00:59:45,480
I like about it. There's room
for us all. Yeah, I'm looking

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00:59:45,480 --> 00:59:49,599
forward toolutely. Now we're coming to
the end of the show and just I

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00:59:49,719 --> 00:59:52,639
just want your listeners to know about, you know, the where they may

827
00:59:52,679 --> 00:59:57,760
be able to get Wolf Lens because
everyone is really looking forward to the release

828
00:59:57,840 --> 01:00:00,280
of this new documentary, which is
and the peak the reason why they're looking

829
01:00:00,320 --> 01:00:04,519
forward to it is they because they
know it's the absolute truth. Yes,

830
01:00:05,159 --> 01:00:07,719
it's a fabulous documentary for people.
First of all, we're going to we're

831
01:00:07,760 --> 01:00:13,320
pitching it at various platforms such as
Netflix. To be honestly, we're going

832
01:00:13,360 --> 01:00:16,559
to We're starting there. I don't
necessarily think that's where we might end up

833
01:00:16,599 --> 01:00:22,280
getting it, but we're going to
start there and try Amazon. We'll just

834
01:00:22,360 --> 01:00:27,039
see if we can get it out
there. I just think it's as good

835
01:00:27,079 --> 01:00:30,719
as anything that's been made in UK. And I know there's some brilliant documentaries

836
01:00:30,960 --> 01:00:34,519
that have actually made it to Blaze
TV and other places, and it's as

837
01:00:34,599 --> 01:00:37,880
good as them. You know,
Chris Turnery did Elusive and that's ended up

838
01:00:37,920 --> 01:00:43,400
on TV and you know this is
no slur on Chris. I actually helped

839
01:00:43,760 --> 01:00:45,760
participated in elusive for him. Yeah, I think it's a great documentary,

840
01:00:45,800 --> 01:00:49,639
but I'm not just saying it.
Wolf Lands is better. Yes, yes,

841
01:00:50,440 --> 01:00:52,280
and I think as well. You
know, with the amount of work

842
01:00:52,400 --> 01:00:54,880
that you've done, the awards that
you've received as well, I mean,

843
01:00:54,960 --> 01:00:58,760
there's there's no stopping your work.
And what's really lovely is to know that

844
01:00:58,880 --> 01:01:02,079
we have you in this world in
the UFO and paranormal community. Thank God,

845
01:01:02,119 --> 01:01:06,960
We've got you for someone that you
can fall back on and as a

846
01:01:07,440 --> 01:01:12,920
really trusted, wonderful guy. So
tell your listeners Paul when they where they

847
01:01:12,920 --> 01:01:17,079
can get hold of you, right, So the website which is truth Proof

848
01:01:17,239 --> 01:01:22,920
dot uk or my email address which
is all lowercase, so it's Paul Sinclair,

849
01:01:22,320 --> 01:01:29,320
I L F F for Freddie at
gmail dot com and the box.

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01:01:29,440 --> 01:01:31,320
You can get the kindle on Amazon, and you can get the paperbacks through

851
01:01:31,400 --> 01:01:36,679
the truth Proof website and also on
eBay. So just type I pause in

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01:01:37,199 --> 01:01:39,679
proof you'll find us. Thank you. The books are beautiful, ladies and

853
01:01:39,760 --> 01:01:45,039
gentlemen. They are illustrated as well, photographs, documents, everything, and

854
01:01:45,159 --> 01:01:51,159
they are absolutely amazingly research. Paul
is an advocate an inspiration to us because

855
01:01:51,199 --> 01:01:53,280
he when he researches something he'd down
well, researches it. Yeah. The

856
01:01:53,360 --> 01:01:58,760
books are truth proof, the truth
that leaves no proof, truth Proof too,

857
01:01:59,239 --> 01:02:02,280
Beyond the Thing in Mind, truth
Proof three, bringing down the light,

858
01:02:02,960 --> 01:02:07,519
truth Proof for beyond reasonable doubt and
night people. So people go out

859
01:02:07,559 --> 01:02:13,760
there and buy these books, you
know, get the documentaries that's Paul's producing

860
01:02:14,079 --> 01:02:17,400
and his team because he works with
a wonderful team of people, and also

861
01:02:17,920 --> 01:02:22,920
Paul's talks, so you will not
be disappointed. We will just say that.

862
01:02:23,320 --> 01:02:25,840
You know, I think a lot
of people are now are suspecting that

863
01:02:27,000 --> 01:02:30,840
the normality which we have been brainwashed
into believing, especially by the media.

864
01:02:30,920 --> 01:02:34,960
Don't listen to the media or all
of it anyway, is actually wrong because

865
01:02:35,000 --> 01:02:38,000
it's splitting. There's something here with
us, something very different, and we

866
01:02:38,159 --> 01:02:43,000
have seen it all seen it,
and no doubt many others have seen it.

867
01:02:43,199 --> 01:02:45,639
So just bear that in mind.
Thank you Paul very much for coming

868
01:02:45,679 --> 01:02:51,800
on board for Twin Souls. We're
really excited and grateful to you for spending

869
01:02:51,880 --> 01:02:53,360
time with us. Yes, thank
you, thank you. It's been a

870
01:02:53,400 --> 01:02:58,840
pleasure as always, so thank bye
bye, thank you. And you've been

871
01:02:58,880 --> 01:03:01,639
listening to Twin Souls your hosts,
Philip Mr. Kin seller are esteemed and

872
01:03:01,719 --> 01:03:07,199
wonderful guest. Paucinclaire, author,
researcher, you name it. Within the

873
01:03:07,239 --> 01:03:09,840
world of paranormal, he is there. They're selling author. Yes. Stay

874
01:03:09,920 --> 01:03:13,360
safe and keep looking to the scars.