WEBVTT 1 00:00:02.439 --> 00:00:19.480 Imagine where you can meet anyone anywhere, do anything. Reports it's taking over 2 00:00:19.559 --> 00:00:28.000 the city. They are, they are the artificial intelligence created to protect us. 3 00:00:28.719 --> 00:00:35.880 Detonated a nuclear warhead in Los Angeles. Yes here, I'm going to 4 00:00:35.880 --> 00:00:40.840 cyber touch Across the country. We have unconfirmed reports of a large seismic event 5 00:00:40.920 --> 00:00:45.359 off the California coast, but reports of the power outages across the United States. 6 00:00:45.880 --> 00:00:50.960 Nineties States, the United States Army and Rambsom Documity White warnings to the 7 00:00:50.960 --> 00:00:55.719 Western Horses as well as the Florida Alliance. The President of sures the uprising 8 00:00:55.960 --> 00:01:11.480 warming down with Welcome to Raised by Giants. 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If we could just get one hundred 18 00:01:52.599 --> 00:01:56.640 people that would sign up to be a member, that would make everything a 19 00:01:56.680 --> 00:02:00.840 lot easier. But thanks for your support and viewership means a lot to me. 20 00:02:00.359 --> 00:02:06.640 So with me on this adventure is author and host of the Secret Teaching 21 00:02:06.680 --> 00:02:09.360 Show on Ground zero Radio, Brian Gable. How's it going, my friend, 22 00:02:10.159 --> 00:02:14.599 It's going great, Ryder, thanks for having me on again. Yeah. 23 00:02:14.639 --> 00:02:17.960 I thought that this would be a really nice conversation to have because we 24 00:02:19.000 --> 00:02:21.840 already talked about a lot of different things, and we talk all the time 25 00:02:22.400 --> 00:02:24.840 privately, and I thought, oh, hey, well how can we do 26 00:02:24.879 --> 00:02:30.319 this so that everyone can watch and listen. So really looking forward to you 27 00:02:30.400 --> 00:02:35.120 being on this journey with me, my friend. Appreciate it. Every conversation 28 00:02:35.199 --> 00:02:37.919 we have on the phone off air turns into a show anyway, so you 29 00:02:38.000 --> 00:02:40.199 might as well record it. That's what I thought. I was like, 30 00:02:40.240 --> 00:02:44.800 Hey, man, I should just be recording all of these audio conversations because 31 00:02:44.840 --> 00:02:50.000 they get they get super deep. So what I wanted to talk about today 32 00:02:50.520 --> 00:02:53.960 is I watched the creator because the last time you were on, we talked 33 00:02:54.000 --> 00:02:58.599 about a lot of the movies. We talked about. We went through basically 34 00:02:58.639 --> 00:03:04.759 every single disaster movie that I think has ever existed, pretty much except The 35 00:03:04.879 --> 00:03:07.960 Day after Tomorrow. I really liked the Day after Tomorrow. Did you see 36 00:03:07.960 --> 00:03:10.120 a Day after Tomorrow that came out? Oh? Yeah, yep, Day 37 00:03:10.159 --> 00:03:14.759 after Tomorrow? I believe. Wasn't that Art Bell and Whitley Streeber that wrote 38 00:03:14.759 --> 00:03:16.680 the text for that of the book, for that of the story for that, 39 00:03:16.800 --> 00:03:21.639 I think Willy Streeber was involved in that. I didn't know. I 40 00:03:21.680 --> 00:03:23.719 think he'd have to look that up. Don't quote me on that, but 41 00:03:23.759 --> 00:03:25.560 I think or at least Art Bell, one of the two or both. 42 00:03:25.840 --> 00:03:30.680 That's really interesting because that's one of my favorite disaster movies because I think that 43 00:03:30.719 --> 00:03:35.840 it's highly plausible, not so much with the hurricane stuff, but with the 44 00:03:35.879 --> 00:03:39.879 global cooling. Then yes, the Earth may be experiencing, which I think 45 00:03:40.000 --> 00:03:45.319 is a they're hidden us with the switcheroo. They're they're talking about that the 46 00:03:45.439 --> 00:03:51.039 Earth is heating up when it's really cooling, which is a very interesting concept 47 00:03:51.560 --> 00:03:53.879 which was portrayed in that movie. Yeah, it actually says I just looked 48 00:03:53.879 --> 00:03:58.360 it up at nineteen ninety nine book The Coming Global Superstorm by Art Bell and 49 00:03:58.360 --> 00:04:01.360 Whitley Streeber. The movie was based off of that book. That's right. 50 00:04:01.879 --> 00:04:08.879 Wow, that's incredible. I did not know that Willie Streeber is responsible for 51 00:04:08.960 --> 00:04:15.680 a lot of nonsense, along with Bud Hopkins as well. Yeah, Bud 52 00:04:15.720 --> 00:04:23.439 Hopkins creating the whole missing time phenomenon with people creating screen memories. Willie Streeber 53 00:04:23.560 --> 00:04:28.079 in his book Communion, you know, creating the whole lore and mythology surrounding 54 00:04:28.079 --> 00:04:30.560 gray extraterrestrials. And then after that book came out, everyone was like, 55 00:04:30.600 --> 00:04:34.120 oh my god, gray extra trestrials, they're here, They're kind of coming. 56 00:04:35.000 --> 00:04:40.279 Everyone started seeing gray extraterrestrials after that book came out, like the Chevron 57 00:04:40.360 --> 00:04:45.319 craft of Kenneth Arnold, and then everybody sew flying saucers rather than triangular craft. 58 00:04:45.920 --> 00:04:48.240 But that doesn't mean that little green, gray, pink, whatever they 59 00:04:48.279 --> 00:04:51.519 are, aliens aren't seen in altered states of consciousness. I think that's as 60 00:04:51.560 --> 00:04:55.160 we've said before, that's where a lot of this stuff comes from, and 61 00:04:55.199 --> 00:04:59.360 that can be naturally induced as well as artificially induced. Yeah, under the 62 00:04:59.399 --> 00:05:03.160 influence of a substance I think is a majority of it. But yeah, 63 00:05:03.199 --> 00:05:10.959 I'm going to actually be doing a whole deep dive on the legends of ufology, 64 00:05:11.079 --> 00:05:14.519 and I'm gonna go back to Kenneth Arnald, I'm want to go to 65 00:05:15.439 --> 00:05:19.519 Paul Benowitz. I'm gonna just start from the first sighting, which was Kenneth 66 00:05:19.519 --> 00:05:24.920 Donald, and then I'm just gonna keep going down the list. That's gonna 67 00:05:24.920 --> 00:05:29.639 be a really interesting show. But what I wanna talk to you about today 68 00:05:30.000 --> 00:05:38.480 is this whole AI threat thing that we have going on here. And I 69 00:05:38.519 --> 00:05:41.120 was watching The Creator and I was like, man, this is a really 70 00:05:41.399 --> 00:05:54.040 interesting movie. They really try to humanize human AI cyborgs, and it actually 71 00:05:54.399 --> 00:05:59.879 got me into a real deep philosophical thought pattern. And then I was like, 72 00:06:00.079 --> 00:06:04.639 well, what actually makes us human? That's what I want to get 73 00:06:04.639 --> 00:06:10.959 your thoughts on first. What is it that you think personally? Ryan? 74 00:06:11.120 --> 00:06:15.839 This is going to be a real laid back philosophical conversation there. We're going 75 00:06:15.879 --> 00:06:21.000 to have here. What do you think that makes a human a human? 76 00:06:24.040 --> 00:06:28.680 Well, that is obviously a question that has been played with and discussed for 77 00:06:29.519 --> 00:06:32.160 probably all of human history, or at least all of conscious human history. 78 00:06:33.240 --> 00:06:36.920 I like to look at definitions, even though definitions of words change over time. 79 00:06:38.759 --> 00:06:41.839 I like to look at what the spirit is defined as and what the 80 00:06:41.920 --> 00:06:45.360 soul is defined as. These are two different things. The soul is considered 81 00:06:45.399 --> 00:06:50.480 the immaterial part of what we are as individuals and collectively, and the spirit 82 00:06:50.600 --> 00:06:55.920 is something that resides in the reptilian brain. It is that thing that is 83 00:06:55.959 --> 00:07:00.680 the ego. It is that thing that drives us instinctually. So you could 84 00:07:00.680 --> 00:07:03.319 look at the spirit as something that is kind of like, you know, 85 00:07:03.439 --> 00:07:08.120 maybe in high school you have team spirit for the football team, or maybe 86 00:07:08.199 --> 00:07:11.519 out of business you have you know, team spirit for the business getting the 87 00:07:11.560 --> 00:07:15.480 project done. Spirit is kind of like a It's an immaterial thing, but 88 00:07:15.560 --> 00:07:19.879 it's an emotional thing. And we know animals have emotions as humans do, 89 00:07:20.199 --> 00:07:28.199 so emotions are not necessarily the defining factor in what makes us human. So 90 00:07:28.279 --> 00:07:31.519 we have this idea of the soul, and that's something immaterial and timeless. 91 00:07:31.920 --> 00:07:35.639 And physicists say that energy can only be transmitted. It cannot be destroyed, 92 00:07:35.639 --> 00:07:43.000 it can only be transferred. So physics and theology have become married in this 93 00:07:43.879 --> 00:07:46.560 one little, teeny tiny way that energy and the soul are these things that 94 00:07:46.680 --> 00:07:50.360 are eternal, and so we, for lack of a better term, call 95 00:07:50.439 --> 00:07:57.800 that God. And if you want my opinion, maybe beyond that in a 96 00:07:57.839 --> 00:08:05.160 more in a more simple answer, I'd say the reason and the way in 97 00:08:05.199 --> 00:08:09.759 which we can determine what it means to In regard to your question, what 98 00:08:09.800 --> 00:08:15.839 it means to be human, I think is to be able to ask that 99 00:08:15.959 --> 00:08:20.720 question, first of all, to be able to ask it, and consciously 100 00:08:20.079 --> 00:08:28.000 being able to be aware of the differences between pain and pleasure. And I 101 00:08:28.040 --> 00:08:31.600 give you one last example. I think that in pain and pleasure, I 102 00:08:31.600 --> 00:08:35.840 would define that as being good and evil in a way. It's a necessary 103 00:08:35.879 --> 00:08:39.879 evil. You have to have resistance to grow. So there's a really great 104 00:08:39.759 --> 00:08:43.200 quote that I read, and I don't know the exact quotes, I'll paraphrase 105 00:08:43.240 --> 00:08:50.320 it. And a Rosicrucian book one time I read, and whether you agree 106 00:08:50.360 --> 00:08:52.519 with Rosicrucian philosophy or not, I just thought it was an interesting observation. 107 00:08:54.440 --> 00:08:58.840 Was written by a guy who went by the pseudonym Magnus incognito, anonymous source, 108 00:09:00.559 --> 00:09:03.720 and he said something the effective what makes a human human and what makes 109 00:09:03.759 --> 00:09:07.720 an animal an animal is that an animal, say a horse, can stand 110 00:09:07.720 --> 00:09:13.279 outside in the rain for hours and hours and know that it's raining, but 111 00:09:13.440 --> 00:09:16.720 not be fully aware of what the rain is or what it represents, kind 112 00:09:16.759 --> 00:09:20.799 of like a fish twin in water. The difference between an animal and a 113 00:09:20.840 --> 00:09:24.399 human is a human can stand outside in the rain for a long time, 114 00:09:24.519 --> 00:09:28.279 but a human is aware enough to understand, at least conceptually, what the 115 00:09:28.360 --> 00:09:33.559 rain is and where the rain comes from. So it's the difference rider between 116 00:09:33.799 --> 00:09:41.000 what they would refer to in the Rosicrucian doctrine and other certain philosophies as the 117 00:09:41.039 --> 00:09:45.759 seven. There's seven like days of creation, or there's seven spheres of intelligence. 118 00:09:45.799 --> 00:09:50.080 There's the elemental, so the elements fire with their water. There is 119 00:09:50.200 --> 00:09:54.480 the mineral, so that's the tin man in the Wizard of Oz. There's 120 00:09:54.519 --> 00:09:58.000 the plant, which is the scarecrow and the Wizard of Oz. Then there's 121 00:09:58.039 --> 00:10:00.440 the animal, which is the lion in the Wizard of Oz, and then 122 00:10:00.440 --> 00:10:03.480 there's human. It's human. That's fifth, and then the sixth is dimi 123 00:10:03.519 --> 00:10:07.639 God consciousness, and the eighth or the seventh rather than eighth, the seventh 124 00:10:07.759 --> 00:10:15.639 is God consciousness. So it's like a series of spheres that cross over and 125 00:10:15.720 --> 00:10:20.240 so some animals I would say, therefore are probably more human than some humans, 126 00:10:20.240 --> 00:10:24.080 and some humans are probably more animal than some animals. It's a matter 127 00:10:24.120 --> 00:10:28.200 of consciousness and awareness, and however you define that, I think that would 128 00:10:28.240 --> 00:10:31.080 be my view. That would be how I define what it means to be 129 00:10:31.159 --> 00:10:35.080 human, not just emotions, because that's something that is separate from the soul. 130 00:10:37.240 --> 00:10:41.879 It's interesting that you bring up there some humans may be more animal and 131 00:10:41.919 --> 00:10:46.559 more some animals may be more human. Because I think this most people look 132 00:10:46.600 --> 00:10:52.200 at what a human is and this is just in general terms as being in 133 00:10:52.240 --> 00:11:03.240 a physical body. So we're really only human because we have this physical human 134 00:11:03.320 --> 00:11:09.080 body. But then if you were to take the consciousness of a human or 135 00:11:09.159 --> 00:11:11.399 the soul or the spirit, I think it's all the same thing. I 136 00:11:11.440 --> 00:11:16.320 think it's all we've just put labels on it to try and define what it 137 00:11:16.440 --> 00:11:20.039 is. I think the consciousness encompasses the soul and the spirit. The soul 138 00:11:20.080 --> 00:11:24.639 and the spirit is the basis for the consciousness itself. But if you were 139 00:11:24.679 --> 00:11:33.080 to take that consciousness and then transfer that consciousness into an animal, people would 140 00:11:33.159 --> 00:11:37.960 still people would be like, that's an animal, even though it has a 141 00:11:37.440 --> 00:11:43.519 human consciousness. This is just hypothetical, right. If you could take the 142 00:11:43.559 --> 00:11:48.559 consciousness of a human and put it into an animal, people would still regard 143 00:11:48.000 --> 00:11:54.279 that animal as an animal because of its physical appearance. Yeah, the physical 144 00:11:54.279 --> 00:12:01.320 body then gets into Well, if that's the case, then if you could 145 00:12:01.320 --> 00:12:07.039 take a human consciousness, which again I believe encompasses the soul and the spirit 146 00:12:07.200 --> 00:12:18.480 of the individual, and then you place that consciousness into a cybernetic human AI 147 00:12:18.159 --> 00:12:26.600 robot, does that mean that it's just a robot or is it a human? 148 00:12:26.559 --> 00:12:31.440 Because it has a human consciousness, It has the physical appearance of a 149 00:12:31.519 --> 00:12:37.440 human, it would have the emotions, it would have the memories of a 150 00:12:39.000 --> 00:12:43.559 human, It would think that it is human. So I guess what I'm 151 00:12:43.600 --> 00:12:50.559 getting at is are we defining what we are just solely based on our appearance 152 00:12:50.480 --> 00:12:54.639 or because a lot of people say, oh, well, we're just spiritual 153 00:12:54.720 --> 00:13:03.720 beings living in a physical existence a physical reality here. So but if that's 154 00:13:03.759 --> 00:13:09.960 the case, then it wouldn't matter what vessel we are in as long as 155 00:13:09.039 --> 00:13:15.200 we have the same consciousness. You couldn't even tell. I mean, maybe 156 00:13:15.279 --> 00:13:18.679 you or I could, or maybe some people that are in tech like technological 157 00:13:18.679 --> 00:13:22.440 fields could, but like the average person, certainly, and I've been fooled 158 00:13:22.480 --> 00:13:26.919 by it myself certainly, couldn't tell whether the chat bot or the individual you're 159 00:13:26.960 --> 00:13:31.399 talking to on a you know, a chat on like a tech services or 160 00:13:31.440 --> 00:13:35.559 something for your phone or for your Internet or whatever. They've become so advanced 161 00:13:35.639 --> 00:13:39.679 now that it's hard to tell if they're human or if they're robotic responses, 162 00:13:41.240 --> 00:13:43.440 So you don't really know if you're talking to a human or if you're talking 163 00:13:43.519 --> 00:13:48.320 to a machine that's emulating a human. I think that's a good example of 164 00:13:48.600 --> 00:13:52.759 the question that that you're getting at. And I also think one other thing. 165 00:13:52.799 --> 00:13:58.399 I think that part of this debate is that we all have a different 166 00:13:58.440 --> 00:14:01.159 definition of what it means to be human, I think, generally speaking, 167 00:14:01.240 --> 00:14:05.600 and I think I agree with you that the soul, of the spirit, 168 00:14:05.639 --> 00:14:07.799 etc. These are all part of consciousness. It's all part of the there's 169 00:14:07.840 --> 00:14:13.840 different levels and layers to it, different different levels if you will, too, 170 00:14:13.960 --> 00:14:18.360 what it means to be consciously aware. And I think we try to 171 00:14:18.440 --> 00:14:26.000 use these different definitions and words to natural to quantify existence and quantify what our 172 00:14:26.039 --> 00:14:28.840 purposes. And you get one extreme that says there's no purpose to life. 173 00:14:28.840 --> 00:14:33.480 And another one says the greatest purpose is you know, the creation of the 174 00:14:33.559 --> 00:14:35.960 human being and just you know, living for God. And I don't really 175 00:14:37.000 --> 00:14:39.679 agree or disagree with either side, and I know that that's not a helpful 176 00:14:39.679 --> 00:14:45.639 answer to anybody listening, but I think that it's probably more of a personal 177 00:14:46.000 --> 00:14:48.919 thing. Like it's an individual thing if if you can look at it from 178 00:14:48.919 --> 00:14:52.320 your point of view. Everybody has their own point of view, of course, 179 00:14:52.759 --> 00:14:56.360 and you can find meaning and purpose and value within you know, your 180 00:14:56.360 --> 00:15:01.600 life, then that probably is what makes you more human than an animal who 181 00:15:01.720 --> 00:15:05.840 just abides strictly by the instincts of the spirit or the reptile brain, if 182 00:15:05.919 --> 00:15:09.440 you will. Does that make sense? I think that there's the difference between 183 00:15:09.519 --> 00:15:13.120 human and animal in that sense, and maybe human a machine is that beyond 184 00:15:13.120 --> 00:15:18.840 the instincts, there is a form of consciousness that can understand the instincts and 185 00:15:18.879 --> 00:15:24.240 override the instincts, which is what all the mystery schools would teach to slay 186 00:15:24.279 --> 00:15:28.279 the dragon, kill the beast, and take the alchemical gold or take the 187 00:15:28.320 --> 00:15:33.039 treasure that the dragon guards. So I think that that's interesting too when you 188 00:15:33.080 --> 00:15:37.399 apply it to your robot example, because if a robot can be programmed with 189 00:15:37.639 --> 00:15:43.759 certain instincts in a way like responsive. They make skin now for robots for 190 00:15:43.879 --> 00:15:48.879 years, and they make basically all the parts of the human body, the 191 00:15:48.960 --> 00:15:52.240 larger parts can be replicated in a robot, So a robot could feasibly feel 192 00:15:52.759 --> 00:15:56.919 those types of things physically, and even be programmed to feel emotions. And 193 00:15:58.039 --> 00:16:00.080 I don't really think there's a right or wrong answer to to suggest one way 194 00:16:00.159 --> 00:16:04.399 or the other that that robot isn't feeling emotion, that robot isn't conscious. 195 00:16:04.759 --> 00:16:10.799 Maybe in the long run, very advanced machines and by some definition could certainly 196 00:16:10.840 --> 00:16:15.080 be human because chatbots already can fool us very easily, So you apply that 197 00:16:15.360 --> 00:16:19.000 to a machine like an actual humanoid robot, and you might not be able 198 00:16:19.000 --> 00:16:23.440 to tell the difference. It be kind of like the replicants and Blade Runner. 199 00:16:26.639 --> 00:16:30.840 It's really interesting, But then it gets into the concept and the ideas 200 00:16:30.000 --> 00:16:36.399 where does our consciousness actually come from? Because I feel like that it would 201 00:16:36.399 --> 00:16:48.159 be a difference if the humanoid AI robot cyborgs actually had human consciousness. So 202 00:16:48.240 --> 00:16:56.399 if what they did was they decided to replace the physical human body as it 203 00:16:56.480 --> 00:17:02.840 is now with all these organs and like flash like how we're born and take 204 00:17:02.879 --> 00:17:10.359 a human that is already living now and do some sort of consciousness transfer program 205 00:17:10.799 --> 00:17:18.240 transfer that consciousness into trans sort of but into what would essentially be a replicant, 206 00:17:18.640 --> 00:17:25.720 just like replicants With Keanu Reeves, he replicated his his family whenever they 207 00:17:25.799 --> 00:17:30.799 died in a car accident. He made humanoid AI robots that looked exactly like 208 00:17:30.880 --> 00:17:36.240 them, transferred their consciousness into that humanoid AI robot. Like, I think 209 00:17:36.279 --> 00:17:42.200 that that would get way more touchy of an issue because obviously, if you 210 00:17:42.319 --> 00:17:49.880 just have regular robots that look like robots, you know that they have some 211 00:17:51.119 --> 00:17:59.000 form of synthetic AI consciousness. But I think the conversation changes when it looks 212 00:17:59.079 --> 00:18:04.640 almost identical to us and it may have a human consciousness in it. Like 213 00:18:04.759 --> 00:18:10.119 in the movie that we just watched the other day, that new and on 214 00:18:10.319 --> 00:18:15.720 Netflix, Rebel Moon, right whenever they were on that planet and the galactic 215 00:18:15.759 --> 00:18:18.279 overlords come to steal all of their food and all that, and then they 216 00:18:18.359 --> 00:18:22.359 come with those robots and that guy is just beating the shit out of the 217 00:18:22.440 --> 00:18:29.920 robot for like no reason. But would he be doing that if that robot 218 00:18:30.119 --> 00:18:37.200 looked almost identical to him if it looked like a real legit skin and flesh. 219 00:18:37.440 --> 00:18:40.880 I mean, maybe he could have if he was an asshole. But 220 00:18:41.799 --> 00:18:51.559 I think the conversation changes when we create something that looks almost identical to the 221 00:18:51.559 --> 00:18:56.480 way that we are, which then goes back to is this all about the 222 00:18:56.480 --> 00:19:02.720 physical appearance of things? The argument there also might be that we would create 223 00:19:02.759 --> 00:19:04.880 things that would look like us because they would make us feel more comfortable to 224 00:19:04.880 --> 00:19:10.759 be around them if they laughed, or if they made jokes, or if 225 00:19:10.759 --> 00:19:15.559 they had voice, like a voice mirroring technology that made them sound and that 226 00:19:15.599 --> 00:19:19.559 already exists. AI can replicate any voice and make up voices that don't exist 227 00:19:19.599 --> 00:19:25.279 based on patterns of other voices. That it would be more comfortable to be 228 00:19:25.319 --> 00:19:29.680 around those things if they looked and acted and kind of responded in the way 229 00:19:29.480 --> 00:19:32.839 that we do. And that would make, of course a lot of people 230 00:19:32.880 --> 00:19:37.119 nervous, because that would make the people that develop those technologies seem as if 231 00:19:37.119 --> 00:19:42.119 they were godlike that they created this whole new race of humans, kind of 232 00:19:42.119 --> 00:19:47.960 like Westworld or something like that. I also think we're also already like I 233 00:19:48.000 --> 00:19:52.720 have a cell phone. This is like the computer or the microphone, like 234 00:19:52.720 --> 00:20:00.680 this already makes us by definition, cyborgs, and we already have increasing levels 235 00:20:00.680 --> 00:20:04.839 of technology in regard to this particular type of technology, mechanical, digital type 236 00:20:04.880 --> 00:20:08.279 stuff that we utilize every day and don't think about it. Our cars, 237 00:20:08.920 --> 00:20:12.000 that's an extension of us. Cars even take on our personalities, right, 238 00:20:14.160 --> 00:20:18.400 air conditioners one behind me here, like these are all things that make us 239 00:20:18.839 --> 00:20:23.839 part robot, working with robots, and it all makes us part cyborg. 240 00:20:25.279 --> 00:20:29.039 Obviously, the question is going beyond that, to the point where you create 241 00:20:29.119 --> 00:20:33.920 something that's very human, and I don't think that that's something that's going to 242 00:20:33.960 --> 00:20:37.440 happen in the next couple of years. All these movies, even going back 243 00:20:37.440 --> 00:20:40.920 to The Terminator, which also took place in LA, like that the creator 244 00:20:41.000 --> 00:20:45.559 with the bomb went off in LA. Those are just, of course exaggerations 245 00:20:45.640 --> 00:20:51.640 and dramatizations of like the worst case scenario. And I'm not saying that that's 246 00:20:51.680 --> 00:20:55.480 something I'm not worried about. Personally, I don't use chat GPT, I 247 00:20:55.519 --> 00:20:59.200 don't like playing with that stuff. I don't even like having a lot of 248 00:20:59.200 --> 00:21:02.400 technology. I have this computer in this phone, and that's about it. 249 00:21:02.440 --> 00:21:04.440 The rest of my possessions are books and things I use are analog, and 250 00:21:04.799 --> 00:21:08.400 I don't like a lot of digital things. It's just my personal preference. 251 00:21:08.880 --> 00:21:12.759 But we use a lot of these things all the time anyway, and a 252 00:21:12.799 --> 00:21:15.839 lot of them have made our lives much better. It's kind of like the 253 00:21:15.960 --> 00:21:18.599 argument that I always hear is that like technology is going to be developed to 254 00:21:18.599 --> 00:21:21.960 a point where it's going to take away people's jobs. It's like, Okay, 255 00:21:22.000 --> 00:21:25.920 well, in the twentieth century, early twentieth century, new technologies were 256 00:21:25.920 --> 00:21:30.799 threatening to do that, and a lot of jobs did disappear, but there 257 00:21:30.839 --> 00:21:33.880 are still a lot of jobs that are created as a result of those technologies, 258 00:21:33.000 --> 00:21:37.920 and the economy did not collapse as a result of that. It collapse 259 00:21:37.000 --> 00:21:41.000 because of banking fraud and whatnot in the twenties, the Great Depression. But 260 00:21:41.039 --> 00:21:44.319 today we're worried about the same thing. All the machine is going to take 261 00:21:44.359 --> 00:21:48.200 our jobs, well, some jobs perhaps, but then other jobs will be 262 00:21:48.240 --> 00:21:52.720 developed and will have different needs and wants and desires in twenty thirty years, 263 00:21:52.720 --> 00:21:56.559 and we'll create new jobs for that and new businesses, and so I'm not 264 00:21:56.640 --> 00:22:00.559 worried about the economic impact of it in that regard, And I think a 265 00:22:00.559 --> 00:22:03.400 lot of people don't really there's a really good book written about this. I 266 00:22:03.400 --> 00:22:07.680 think it's called Economics in one lesson where they talk about the aspect of robots 267 00:22:07.680 --> 00:22:11.880 and machines and how it hasn't affected us in a negative way, like a 268 00:22:11.880 --> 00:22:15.200 lot of people have feared in the past. So some of this fear over 269 00:22:15.240 --> 00:22:18.680 this stuff is I think a recycling of fears from the past and a lack 270 00:22:18.720 --> 00:22:22.920 of understanding of history. But at the same time, there are certainly things 271 00:22:22.960 --> 00:22:26.720 that I wouldn't say we should fear, but we should be very concerned with. 272 00:22:26.880 --> 00:22:29.640 Instead of talking about what kind of Just to be blunt with you, 273 00:22:29.720 --> 00:22:32.359 I say this one of the secret teachings all the time. Instead of voting 274 00:22:32.400 --> 00:22:36.039 for politicians that are okay with like gay sex, or they're like, yeah, 275 00:22:36.079 --> 00:22:37.759 we like gay people, or we like this or that we like a 276 00:22:37.839 --> 00:22:41.759 gay sex and that's why you should vote for us, instead of concerning ourselves 277 00:22:41.799 --> 00:22:45.759 with that, we should probably be talking more so about the potential ramifications of 278 00:22:45.799 --> 00:22:53.200 the implementation of AI across a broad spectrum of sectors of society. That's probably 279 00:22:53.240 --> 00:22:56.200 a more important thing to be talking about than what kind of sex you like 280 00:22:56.279 --> 00:23:00.599 to have and how many abortions you can have to be to be a progressive, 281 00:23:00.960 --> 00:23:04.839 you know female. I think there are more significant problems and we should 282 00:23:04.880 --> 00:23:10.400 be discussing those in terms of politics and how our society continues to progress and 283 00:23:10.799 --> 00:23:15.480 develop. No matter what way you look at it, Ryan, I think 284 00:23:15.519 --> 00:23:23.799 the US as who we are at this time, we've always been very adaptable, 285 00:23:26.319 --> 00:23:32.680 Like we can adapt to our environment, we can adapt to really crappy 286 00:23:32.880 --> 00:23:40.440 situations, really crappy places. That doesn't mean that we're going to like it, 287 00:23:40.599 --> 00:23:45.039 that doesn't mean that we're going to enjoy it, but we can get 288 00:23:45.160 --> 00:23:52.319 used to it. And I think that that has been the really the whole 289 00:23:52.359 --> 00:24:00.559 goal here, that's the rollout of this kind of stuff is to you like 290 00:24:00.599 --> 00:24:04.559 the slow drip method, you know, like how everyone talks about the UFOs 291 00:24:04.559 --> 00:24:08.279 and the aliens and disclosure. They're like, oh, it's it's just a 292 00:24:08.359 --> 00:24:14.359 slow drip method. They're just slowly dripping it out to everyone. They're gonna 293 00:24:14.400 --> 00:24:18.279 tell us at some point sometime in the future. Subscribe, subscribe to my 294 00:24:18.359 --> 00:24:22.519 channel. I'll tell you what the aliens want you to know exactly. I'll 295 00:24:22.599 --> 00:24:27.759 channel the Fifth Galactic Federation of thirty three Planets, and I'll tell you all 296 00:24:27.759 --> 00:24:36.319 the information and exactly what's going on with those aliens, which just reminded me 297 00:24:36.400 --> 00:24:41.359 of the second show that I wanted to do. But I'll put a note 298 00:24:41.440 --> 00:24:51.400 for it here really quick. Okay, there we go. So we're very 299 00:24:51.440 --> 00:24:56.400 adaptable species of people. I mean, if you think back to whenever we 300 00:24:56.640 --> 00:25:00.160 you know, as far as back as history, and people think that, 301 00:25:00.319 --> 00:25:03.720 you know, the first humans were you know, cave people, a contrary 302 00:25:03.720 --> 00:25:11.079 to what other people have said, we adopted at that time. And then 303 00:25:11.079 --> 00:25:19.839 when you think of well, what were those people dreaming about? Were they 304 00:25:19.920 --> 00:25:27.440 dreaming at all? Like, were those prehistoric people dreaming about a hovercar? 305 00:25:29.720 --> 00:25:34.240 Were they dreaming about the technology they weren't watching David Wilcox, So probably not 306 00:25:34.920 --> 00:25:42.519 right. Yeah, but it brings into a really good question because we really 307 00:25:42.640 --> 00:25:48.759 only base things off of our environment as like a whole. So I guarantee 308 00:25:48.799 --> 00:25:57.160 you the people even two hundred years back weren't dreaming about the things that people 309 00:25:57.240 --> 00:26:03.359 dream about today because their environment is completely different. You know, the cave 310 00:26:03.440 --> 00:26:12.400 people back in the day, we're probably dreaming about food and hunting and everyday 311 00:26:14.319 --> 00:26:18.920 you know activities. So it's based off of Yeah, it's based off of 312 00:26:18.960 --> 00:26:25.359 their environment and their perception of reality. And as we progress and new things 313 00:26:25.400 --> 00:26:30.440 come into our consciousness, the more that our dreams change and the more that 314 00:26:32.359 --> 00:26:36.240 society changes. I don't know if that makes sense or not. It doesn't. 315 00:26:36.279 --> 00:26:40.200 It could also be that people think about it. Carl Jung talked about 316 00:26:40.240 --> 00:26:45.039 this with UFOs too, that for hundreds of years people have dreamed and painted 317 00:26:45.200 --> 00:26:49.319 and depicted different things that today we would consider to be UFOs or flying saucers 318 00:26:49.359 --> 00:26:52.839 or whatever term you want to apply to them. But it's only because that's 319 00:26:52.839 --> 00:26:56.960 our modern understand we say they're spaceships today, right. Well, people might 320 00:26:56.000 --> 00:27:00.720 have had the same dreams of things coming down from the skies, divine intervention, 321 00:27:02.119 --> 00:27:04.079 you know, the gods coming down, angels coming down, and in 322 00:27:04.119 --> 00:27:07.720 those days, they would have been angels or they would have been you know, 323 00:27:07.759 --> 00:27:10.200 it could have been fire coming down from the heavens. It could have 324 00:27:10.200 --> 00:27:12.599 been God as upset. It could have been interpreted the same dreams, but 325 00:27:12.640 --> 00:27:17.319 it could have been interpreted and it would have been interpreted completely differently than we 326 00:27:17.359 --> 00:27:19.319 interpret those things today. Because we have a dream of something coming down from 327 00:27:19.319 --> 00:27:22.279 the sky, we get on YouTube or TikTok real quick and we tell people 328 00:27:22.359 --> 00:27:26.079 we had, we got abducted by aliens and they came to us and talked 329 00:27:26.079 --> 00:27:29.359 to us in our dreams. I would assume that people one hundred two hundred 330 00:27:29.400 --> 00:27:32.880 years ago didn't think that way, but maybe one hundred years ago, but 331 00:27:32.960 --> 00:27:34.079 like three four hundred years ago, I didn't think that way, But they 332 00:27:34.160 --> 00:27:38.240 had probably the equivalent type of dreams, and then they would have probably applied 333 00:27:38.279 --> 00:27:44.079 to them whatever they whatever their understanding was of the world around them. Is 334 00:27:44.119 --> 00:27:48.240 that along the lines of what you're saying, Yeah, I just think that 335 00:27:48.400 --> 00:27:56.559 our how our environment and the adaptability of who we are now is all influenced 336 00:27:56.640 --> 00:28:03.119 by the things that we know. Like I don't think that people can really 337 00:28:04.279 --> 00:28:11.359 do things that they don't necessarily know about, right, Like you can't really. 338 00:28:11.480 --> 00:28:18.400 It's like the concept of like a dream that your dreams can't create somebody, 339 00:28:18.480 --> 00:28:26.160 Like you can't see something that you've never witnessed before. Like your mind 340 00:28:26.319 --> 00:28:32.000 just can't create a face that you've never seen before. It can only it 341 00:28:32.039 --> 00:28:37.240 can replicate it and change it slightly, but it's a variation based off of 342 00:28:37.960 --> 00:28:42.240 what you've seen. So we have all these movies and these TV shows and 343 00:28:42.279 --> 00:28:45.920 all this media we have, like our phone we have, we can listen 344 00:28:45.960 --> 00:28:49.400 to people talk all day long, for twenty four hours a day if we 345 00:28:49.440 --> 00:28:56.279 want to, and that's going into our consciousness, and then we're replicating that 346 00:28:57.240 --> 00:29:04.160 within our dreams. So you have, like I don't know, ten cavemen 347 00:29:04.599 --> 00:29:10.200 and all they would do is hunt and you know, gather, and then 348 00:29:10.240 --> 00:29:17.319 they were set around the fire at night and tell stories. Then that's probably 349 00:29:17.400 --> 00:29:22.640 what they're going to end up dreaming about. This may be completely off topic, 350 00:29:22.680 --> 00:29:29.359 but I just think that that is kind of interesting how our environment and 351 00:29:29.400 --> 00:29:33.000 our perception and the things that we watch and the things that we listen to 352 00:29:33.440 --> 00:29:41.720 cultivate and create our sense of reality and then mold and shape that reality and 353 00:29:41.759 --> 00:29:47.119 in the dream state. I don't know if it's necessarily off topic, because 354 00:29:47.160 --> 00:29:49.240 I think I think we could bring it around full circle, if you will. 355 00:29:49.279 --> 00:29:52.160 And this is just a thought that I just had. You know, 356 00:29:52.440 --> 00:30:00.880 what if in the development of new technologies that are more artificially intelligent based I 357 00:30:00.880 --> 00:30:03.960 mean, most of those things, almost all those things, they're not really 358 00:30:03.200 --> 00:30:07.440 intelligent per se. They're just they're learning off of patterns. They're learning off 359 00:30:07.480 --> 00:30:11.640 of pieces of art and music and things that humans have already created, right, 360 00:30:11.680 --> 00:30:17.400 and they can distort that and change that. So what if the fear 361 00:30:17.440 --> 00:30:19.240 that we have and it's a ration, I think it's a rational fear, 362 00:30:19.680 --> 00:30:25.119 the fear we have of the proliferation of technology to the point of destruction and 363 00:30:25.160 --> 00:30:27.960 devastation, although history has shown us that is not necessarily what happens. Although 364 00:30:29.000 --> 00:30:33.920 it drastically changes the way the world works with airplanes and electricity, and it's 365 00:30:33.960 --> 00:30:37.880 all positive, but there are certainly downsides. If you were collecting whale fat 366 00:30:38.240 --> 00:30:42.079 in the eighteen hundreds and then electricity comes along, you're probably out of business. 367 00:30:42.519 --> 00:30:45.759 You know, you don't need the well fat to light your lamps anymore. 368 00:30:45.319 --> 00:30:52.200 But that's that's real progress forward and new new technologies and new developments. 369 00:30:52.240 --> 00:30:56.839 That's good. But with an irrational fear of these things, and especially with 370 00:30:56.039 --> 00:31:03.680 the proliferation of social media, we could also feasibly create something that is whatever 371 00:31:03.759 --> 00:31:08.559 we want to define AI as. And it otherwise is very cold and calculating 372 00:31:08.599 --> 00:31:11.799 and learns and develops, and it learns from what we know and what we 373 00:31:11.839 --> 00:31:18.599 do, and maybe it otherwise wouldn't have there wouldn't be any potentiality, let's 374 00:31:18.599 --> 00:31:25.000 say, or maybe a slim potentiality for there to be any kind of harm 375 00:31:25.079 --> 00:31:30.720 that it could that it would create. In relation to the old idea that 376 00:31:30.759 --> 00:31:33.599 maybe the machines are going to see us as hostile and they're going to eliminate 377 00:31:33.680 --> 00:31:37.559 humans. That's what the Terminator and all that stuff's about. So maybe that 378 00:31:37.559 --> 00:31:42.240 that wouldn't even be in let's say, the conscious if you will, of 379 00:31:42.599 --> 00:31:48.880 the AI, unless humans are so afraid of it and irrational, and because 380 00:31:48.960 --> 00:31:51.680 of that and because of what we create in the movies and TV shows, 381 00:31:52.160 --> 00:31:55.920 we actually plant that idea, if you will, in the mind of the 382 00:31:55.960 --> 00:32:00.759 AI, and it otherwise wouldn't be destructive if we weren't so afraid and so 383 00:32:00.920 --> 00:32:04.480 fearful, and we, like Peter in the story in the Bible, didn't 384 00:32:04.720 --> 00:32:07.480 we were so afraid of the waters and sinking that we actually sunk into the 385 00:32:07.519 --> 00:32:12.160 water because we took our eyes off of Jesus in that story. So it's 386 00:32:12.160 --> 00:32:15.279 just an idea. What if we actually put those ideas, if you will, 387 00:32:15.880 --> 00:32:21.880 and we certainly have, into the mind of the AI, And maybe 388 00:32:21.920 --> 00:32:25.480 the idea of well, maybe we should destroy humans comes from the fear that 389 00:32:25.559 --> 00:32:30.000 humans have it. It's another thought, and that's one of those things where 390 00:32:30.000 --> 00:32:35.640 the environment certainly influences the machine as much as it influences us. And my 391 00:32:35.759 --> 00:32:39.519 point is writer that I don't think I think there's a rational and an irrational 392 00:32:39.559 --> 00:32:43.920 fear. And like I said, in the past, with the Industrial Revolution, 393 00:32:44.279 --> 00:32:45.960 jobs were lost, but then a lot more jobs were created and new 394 00:32:45.960 --> 00:32:50.720 things were produced and we moved forward. I don't think that modern technology is 395 00:32:50.720 --> 00:32:55.519 going to completely destroy us, but there are certainly more increasingly devastating consequences because 396 00:32:55.680 --> 00:33:01.319 letting machines like the cotton gin or letting maschine machines print something that's totally different 397 00:33:01.319 --> 00:33:07.519 than giving control of nuclear weapons or whatever the cases to machines. And then 398 00:33:08.319 --> 00:33:13.880 I'd say the worst possible scenario is probably not AI taking over. It's probably 399 00:33:14.000 --> 00:33:20.359 having everything so digital that with hackers or bad actors or whatever, we could 400 00:33:20.400 --> 00:33:25.880 lose vital information that just gets wiped like that, or bad actors or hackers 401 00:33:25.960 --> 00:33:31.480 or whatever the cases, could access you know, a server or access a 402 00:33:32.640 --> 00:33:37.680 I don't know the exact terminology, but access you know, a drone with 403 00:33:37.720 --> 00:33:40.519 a missile on it, Let's say, and you know, fire that missile 404 00:33:40.599 --> 00:33:44.799 or drop that bomb or launch those missiles. It might not be it's probably 405 00:33:44.799 --> 00:33:46.119 not the AI at all. It's probably not the machines at all. It's 406 00:33:46.119 --> 00:33:51.599 probably humans. And the humans are responsible for doing those things, not just 407 00:33:51.640 --> 00:33:54.799 because we built it, but because if you turn everything over to the machines 408 00:33:54.839 --> 00:33:59.720 and there's no human let's say consciousness in full control of it, we let 409 00:33:59.720 --> 00:34:02.720 the Mashie and whatnot decide what to do, or even if we control them, 410 00:34:04.039 --> 00:34:06.960 it's a lot easier to hack. At the point is it's a lot 411 00:34:07.000 --> 00:34:12.360 easier to hack into somebody's phone and get their bank information than it is to 412 00:34:13.199 --> 00:34:16.880 you know, hack into somebody safe in their house and take the physical cash 413 00:34:16.920 --> 00:34:21.119 out of it, if that makes sense. So that I think the danger 414 00:34:21.239 --> 00:34:24.000 is the trust we put in these things, and the trust that we probably 415 00:34:24.039 --> 00:34:30.599 shouldn't put as much in in bad actors that could take advantage of of the 416 00:34:30.599 --> 00:34:36.239 the way that we've i guess set up our defense systems and set up the 417 00:34:36.239 --> 00:34:38.599 way that the military works and those kinds of weapons and things like that. 418 00:34:38.599 --> 00:34:45.159 Does that make sense? How do you think that a AI would learn without 419 00:34:45.199 --> 00:34:52.920 this digital world that we've created, because that's the way that they explain how 420 00:34:52.960 --> 00:35:00.639 they program. A lot of the AI is hooking it up to the Internet 421 00:35:00.800 --> 00:35:06.559 so it can access all of that information. What if we didn't have the 422 00:35:06.559 --> 00:35:19.280 Internet? Is there a way that you would think that an artificial intelligence would 423 00:35:19.559 --> 00:35:24.840 be able to learn about our characteristics what we do on an everyday basis, 424 00:35:25.960 --> 00:35:30.000 Like, how would it learn if we didn't have the Internet. You're saying, 425 00:35:30.000 --> 00:35:32.159 like the Internet doesn't exist at all, or just we don't have access 426 00:35:32.199 --> 00:35:37.440 to it just doesn't exist. I don't know if it could learn then, 427 00:35:37.840 --> 00:35:44.280 unless we're talking about like another another species or something from somewhere else that's not 428 00:35:44.679 --> 00:35:47.920 from Earth or from this dimension, perhaps I don't think it could learn because 429 00:35:47.440 --> 00:35:51.360 I feel like everything has to be connected. They call it the IoT, 430 00:35:51.519 --> 00:35:57.480 the Internet of Things, and some have referred to the Internet as kind of 431 00:35:57.519 --> 00:36:00.639 like the brain and the US and the cell phones and all that stuff are 432 00:36:00.719 --> 00:36:07.079 kind of like the limbs and yeah, like skynet, but going way beyond 433 00:36:07.079 --> 00:36:10.440 that, where it's everything's connected to the Internet of Things, the IoT, 434 00:36:10.639 --> 00:36:16.679 and that's basically like an artificial shell if you will, for this artificial consciousness 435 00:36:16.719 --> 00:36:20.320 to inhabit. If you didn't have that, you didn't have the Internet, 436 00:36:20.760 --> 00:36:23.480 probably wouldn't have computers the way that we have them today. It certainly wouldn't 437 00:36:23.480 --> 00:36:27.920 have cell phones the way we have them today, and I would think that 438 00:36:27.920 --> 00:36:31.480 that would probably mean that there really isn't there really isn't that same danger, 439 00:36:31.480 --> 00:36:34.800 and there probably isn't a way for it to learn in the same way. 440 00:36:35.239 --> 00:36:38.400 Have to be another method. Well, how do how do humans learn? 441 00:36:39.679 --> 00:36:44.679 Humans learn by observing? Well, hopefully we learn by making mistakes and correcting 442 00:36:44.679 --> 00:36:54.239 those mistakes. So can you create a human AI cyborg, have it go 443 00:36:54.400 --> 00:37:02.559 through the process of a everyday human, put it in societ society as a 444 00:37:02.679 --> 00:37:08.960 legit human, and have it learned that way through experience, through failure, 445 00:37:09.719 --> 00:37:16.519 through observation, through learning, just the way that we learn, and then 446 00:37:16.599 --> 00:37:24.360 have all of that data collected into a hard drive and uploaded someplace else, 447 00:37:25.079 --> 00:37:29.280 I suppose. So theoretically, right, you could play around that idea and 448 00:37:29.320 --> 00:37:31.920 say that the human body is basically a computer system. Right. We have 449 00:37:32.039 --> 00:37:37.159 like antivirus software, if you will, and we have a computing of CPU. 450 00:37:37.239 --> 00:37:40.039 We have a computer process or unit, and their brain is and we 451 00:37:40.119 --> 00:37:44.960 have you know, a hard shell quite literally, and like we have bones. 452 00:37:45.039 --> 00:37:47.679 It's like the structure of the machine. So we are we are machine 453 00:37:47.840 --> 00:37:52.000 like in that way. Even if it's just symbolic or it's a metaphor, 454 00:37:52.800 --> 00:37:55.559 And yeah, I suppose that's what you could argue. That's what human life 455 00:37:55.599 --> 00:38:00.920 is anyway. It's something that is conscious placed in to the physical thing, 456 00:38:00.039 --> 00:38:04.519 and then we learn and grow and we get old, and then we die, 457 00:38:04.760 --> 00:38:07.840 and consciousness is supposed to transfer and go beyond that and not die. 458 00:38:08.000 --> 00:38:10.599 So I guess that's what kind of that's what kind of what life is in 459 00:38:12.760 --> 00:38:20.000 anyway, based on what you're saying. Yeah, and that's just an interesting 460 00:38:20.840 --> 00:38:27.840 thought pattern, you know, like, well, if we're already cyborgs, 461 00:38:27.920 --> 00:38:35.920 and we're already in this kind of AI artificial intelligence, a cybernetic universe simulation, 462 00:38:36.960 --> 00:38:44.960 then what makes the difference if we're in a cybernetic body. I don't 463 00:38:44.960 --> 00:38:51.800 think that it would make any difference. Have you seen the that movie what's 464 00:38:51.800 --> 00:38:57.480 it called? It's on Netflix, where there's an alien invasion, but it's 465 00:38:57.480 --> 00:39:01.559 not aliens, it's actually humans and the humans come down. So oh, 466 00:39:01.599 --> 00:39:06.840 it's incredible, dude. Once I think of it, I'll give you the 467 00:39:06.920 --> 00:39:10.320 name of it, because it's an incredible movie. Pretty much, three quarters 468 00:39:10.360 --> 00:39:15.960 of the way through the movie, you think that you see all these ships 469 00:39:15.039 --> 00:39:21.599 coming toward Earth, and everyone on Earth is like freaking out that it's like 470 00:39:22.280 --> 00:39:27.400 an alien invasion. But it's not really an alien invasion. It's humans that 471 00:39:27.559 --> 00:39:32.280 left Earth a long time ago to get away from the AI cybernetic human cyborgs 472 00:39:32.480 --> 00:39:36.519 that took over the planet, and they were coming back to Earth to take 473 00:39:36.559 --> 00:39:40.360 back over the planet. That sounds still as that sounds like actually very similar 474 00:39:40.400 --> 00:39:45.679 to the prequels to the Dune franchise. That's actually sort of what they what 475 00:39:45.760 --> 00:39:50.719 was it called the but Lerry and Jihad and the Machine Crusade. That's kind 476 00:39:50.760 --> 00:39:53.519 of the idea in those prequels to Dune, which is also interesting. In 477 00:39:53.559 --> 00:39:59.599 those prequels, Frank Kerbert's son writes about the AI being the only way that 478 00:39:59.679 --> 00:40:01.840 humans defeat it is by being And this goes back to your question of what 479 00:40:01.920 --> 00:40:07.920 makes us human? I think how humans are able to do things that are 480 00:40:07.960 --> 00:40:13.480 not rational and not machine like, and things that are outside of even what 481 00:40:13.599 --> 00:40:16.559 patterns could their pattern recognition. So that's the only way the humans in that 482 00:40:16.639 --> 00:40:22.159 series can defeat the machines is by being human, by not being not working 483 00:40:22.159 --> 00:40:30.360 within patterns and being kind of more irrational and emotional and not being not being 484 00:40:30.400 --> 00:40:32.960 so logical. But yeah, it sounds exactly like the prequels to Doom. 485 00:40:34.079 --> 00:40:36.400 I'd like to see that if you can think of the name. It's called 486 00:40:36.480 --> 00:40:40.760 extinction. Extinction. Oh, I haven't seen that, but I think I 487 00:40:40.800 --> 00:40:50.079 saw the poster for it. Yeah, it's uh wild movie. Because I 488 00:40:50.480 --> 00:40:52.440 was kind of fooled in the beginning too. I was like, oh, 489 00:40:52.480 --> 00:40:55.639 man, these are just aliens, but they're not aliens humans. And then 490 00:40:58.079 --> 00:41:01.000 I mean, I've already ruined it, but it's still worth watching because it's 491 00:41:01.000 --> 00:41:09.000 a very interesting concept. And then but I think that the subtext of the 492 00:41:09.159 --> 00:41:15.320 entire movie is really that, well, what if we are the cyborgs. 493 00:41:16.239 --> 00:41:22.679 I mean, we're already the most programmable species on the planet. Like you 494 00:41:22.760 --> 00:41:27.960 show somebody how to do something, nine times out of ten, they can 495 00:41:28.039 --> 00:41:34.320 duplicate it. They can do it again like that. That's like a muscle 496 00:41:34.400 --> 00:41:39.480 memory. It's like a programming, that's like an autopilot thing. We learn 497 00:41:40.559 --> 00:41:45.159 very quickly, especially whenever we're shown how to do something, and then other 498 00:41:45.159 --> 00:41:50.280 people can. Other people learn in different ways, though some people like to 499 00:41:50.320 --> 00:41:53.480 trial and error way, where they do something a bunch of times and then 500 00:41:53.559 --> 00:41:59.360 they finally figure out how to do it through making all those mistakes. But 501 00:42:00.039 --> 00:42:02.079 nine times out of ten, if you're shown how to do something, then 502 00:42:04.000 --> 00:42:07.719 you can normally do it, especially when it comes to any kind of manual 503 00:42:07.840 --> 00:42:14.079 labor. So then that brings into question, Well, you know, why 504 00:42:14.119 --> 00:42:23.559 would they want to replace the human shall this physical body with some form of 505 00:42:24.760 --> 00:42:37.000 AI human artificial intelligence when we already are that cybernetic human AI artificial intelligence. 506 00:42:37.639 --> 00:42:42.960 Because robots break down, dude, they have to have repairs, just like 507 00:42:43.079 --> 00:42:46.239 we break down, and we have to have repairs. We get aches and 508 00:42:46.320 --> 00:42:52.360 muscle cramps, we get sick, we have problems, just like a robot 509 00:42:52.519 --> 00:42:59.920 would have problems as well. The robot would eventually break down and have issues 510 00:43:00.639 --> 00:43:05.440 just like we would. So it almost seems inconceivable to me that they would 511 00:43:05.480 --> 00:43:14.800 even think to try and replace the what we call humans in our physical body 512 00:43:14.880 --> 00:43:24.599 with synthetic version because we already technically are a synthetic version. Those new synthetic 513 00:43:24.760 --> 00:43:29.599 versions, though, would last a lot longer, and they'd be much tougher, 514 00:43:29.639 --> 00:43:32.480 and you could arm them, and they would be much more difficult to 515 00:43:32.519 --> 00:43:36.079 defeat. But in the theme of what you're saying, I talked about this 516 00:43:36.119 --> 00:43:39.239 in my book, The Technological Elixir. I've updated it a few times since 517 00:43:39.360 --> 00:43:43.119 I was at twenty eighteen when I first wrote it. It's a big book. 518 00:43:43.480 --> 00:43:52.320 I talked about how based on the writings of I can list a bunch 519 00:43:52.400 --> 00:43:55.800 of them like groups and agencies and organizations and so on and so with federal 520 00:43:55.840 --> 00:44:01.880 agencies and corporations based on the writings of the those companies. Samsung's a big 521 00:44:01.880 --> 00:44:06.519 one. They wrote a big paper on six G technology where they said machines 522 00:44:06.559 --> 00:44:10.280 will take control of these holographic realities. That's in their words, and I 523 00:44:10.320 --> 00:44:15.199 wrote about how in my book I with taking all that into consideration. I 524 00:44:15.239 --> 00:44:20.440 wrote about how there certainly is, regardless of what conspiracy theory says or what 525 00:44:20.559 --> 00:44:27.239 people on TV say, there's an effort to replace carbon with silicon or other 526 00:44:28.000 --> 00:44:34.079 versions of synthetic materials, or to create machines or whatever the case is. 527 00:44:34.639 --> 00:44:38.440 And that's probably why there's a really big effort to demonize carbon as a pollutant, 528 00:44:38.719 --> 00:44:45.039 and to demonize carbon as not only a pollutant, but like a very 529 00:44:45.199 --> 00:44:51.480 very dangerous pollutant that's destroying the Earth. And you start to think that the 530 00:44:51.519 --> 00:44:55.519 people that are advocating for that are alien, because nothing could be much more 531 00:44:55.559 --> 00:45:01.000 alien that is outside of what it what we feel like is human and what 532 00:45:01.039 --> 00:45:07.840 it feels like to be alive, like to live and to grow for somebody 533 00:45:07.920 --> 00:45:10.719 or some group or there to be an ideology that says carbon dioxide is bad. 534 00:45:12.239 --> 00:45:15.440 Carbon the basis of life as we know it is bad, and that 535 00:45:15.519 --> 00:45:19.480 the sun is bad, and that nature is bad and we can modify it 536 00:45:19.519 --> 00:45:22.719 and we can make it better, and there's not anything much more alien. 537 00:45:22.760 --> 00:45:25.239 I'm not saying they are aliens. I'm saying there's not much that's more alien 538 00:45:25.280 --> 00:45:31.039 than that, and then attempts to at even just theories that we can modify 539 00:45:31.079 --> 00:45:37.360 the environment and alter things to prevent climate change and sounds like terraforming. So 540 00:45:37.519 --> 00:45:44.679 you can't really blame people that think that aliens already have invaded or maybe like 541 00:45:44.719 --> 00:45:47.280 captive state control world leaders, because the way that some of these people behave 542 00:45:47.320 --> 00:45:52.079 and the things that they say sounds very alien. If that's not biological alien, 543 00:45:52.119 --> 00:45:55.519 it sounds very machine like, you know, where they talk about the 544 00:45:55.559 --> 00:46:00.360 statistical numbers of people that should be kept alive and people that should be that 545 00:46:00.400 --> 00:46:06.159 should be useless, useless eaters that should be eliminated. So all that's very 546 00:46:06.199 --> 00:46:10.119 alien, All that's very coldly calculated and machine like. And so maybe that's 547 00:46:10.159 --> 00:46:15.400 because machines are or aliens or something or working behind the scenes, or these 548 00:46:15.400 --> 00:46:20.920 people are just psychopaths, because psychopaths probably share a lot in common with with 549 00:46:21.079 --> 00:46:25.199 machines. Psychopaths might be more dangerous than machines that have no humanity to them 550 00:46:25.239 --> 00:46:30.280 because they machines could be programmed to mimic emotions. Psychopaths can try to do 551 00:46:30.320 --> 00:46:35.880 that, but they really don't have an ability to mimic emotions in a realistic 552 00:46:35.920 --> 00:46:38.679 way. So although some might say they're very charismatic and that's not true, 553 00:46:38.679 --> 00:46:45.159 but those are just my thoughts. There really are movements to eliminate the basis 554 00:46:45.159 --> 00:46:47.840 of life and to replace it with a completely different, synthetic version of life. 555 00:46:49.039 --> 00:46:51.400 It's probably why a lot of people think that this is like an alien 556 00:46:51.440 --> 00:46:54.519 invasion already, because the people that are wanting to do this, the Ray 557 00:46:54.599 --> 00:47:00.159 Kurzweil's and the Peter Diamandas and all the others that promote this stuff. Like 558 00:47:00.199 --> 00:47:04.159 Peter Dieman is just he literally just quoted Star Trek. He's the guy that 559 00:47:04.239 --> 00:47:09.719 co founded the Singularity University with Kurzwell, and he said that the whole he 560 00:47:09.760 --> 00:47:14.559 said, the whole movement toward AI and machines and all this stuff. He 561 00:47:14.559 --> 00:47:15.800 said, it's not a matter of whether you like it or not. He's 562 00:47:15.800 --> 00:47:19.719 like, it's going to happen, and you're going to participate in it, 563 00:47:20.039 --> 00:47:22.440 and you don't have a choice. And although that might be true in terms 564 00:47:22.480 --> 00:47:25.880 of progress, it just sounds very similar to the Borg from Star Trek. 565 00:47:27.320 --> 00:47:30.039 You know, we are the Borg. You will be assimilated. Resistance is 566 00:47:30.079 --> 00:47:34.800 futile, and that's kind of how Google and a lot of these companies are 567 00:47:34.800 --> 00:47:37.840 approaching this issue. It's like you don't even have a choice that you don't 568 00:47:37.840 --> 00:47:39.320 have it. There's not an option. You will do this. This is 569 00:47:39.360 --> 00:47:44.320 what will happen to you. And not letting it progress naturally is another thing 570 00:47:44.360 --> 00:47:47.280 that seems very alien. So, although we're not talking about aliens, we're 571 00:47:47.320 --> 00:47:52.920 talking about carbon and that being replaced or eliminated in favor of something more synthetic 572 00:47:53.159 --> 00:47:58.639 and artificial. And I think that all that goes into what you're saying, 573 00:48:00.559 --> 00:48:08.840 what if the goal of creating let's just go out on a limb here and 574 00:48:08.960 --> 00:48:16.079 say that aliens do exist. I don't believe that they do, but let's 575 00:48:16.079 --> 00:48:21.320 just say that they do, right, extraterrestrials, I mean, let's go 576 00:48:21.360 --> 00:48:30.519 on limbs, say extraterrestrials exist. Other planets are inhabited by these other extraterrestrials. 577 00:48:30.000 --> 00:48:34.840 Some might be good, some might be bad. It's probably a mix. 578 00:48:35.119 --> 00:48:40.480 If we're going off the concept that they actually do exist. Now, 579 00:48:42.480 --> 00:48:50.840 what if the only way that they could get here is if they use some 580 00:48:51.079 --> 00:49:02.320 form of technology like a consciousness transfer, But they just can't get into a 581 00:49:02.480 --> 00:49:08.400 human body that already has a consciousness in it, So then they have to 582 00:49:08.440 --> 00:49:22.039 create a replicant or a human AI cyborg to put their consciousness into an order 583 00:49:22.079 --> 00:49:30.639 for them to be here. I don't know. It's pretty good thought like, 584 00:49:30.079 --> 00:49:37.800 because the people's hypothesis of extra trestrials living on other planets, they if 585 00:49:37.840 --> 00:49:42.639 they do, they just can't come here. It's impossible for them to do 586 00:49:42.679 --> 00:49:45.800 that. They have a completely different ecosystem if they actually live there. They 587 00:49:45.840 --> 00:49:49.760 have a different atmosphere, they have a different sun, they have different planets 588 00:49:49.760 --> 00:49:54.679 all around them, Their gravity is completely different on every planet that we know 589 00:49:54.840 --> 00:50:01.559 of in our Solar System, everything is different on every planet, you know, 590 00:50:01.960 --> 00:50:06.559 So if they do exist out there, they just couldn't come here in 591 00:50:06.599 --> 00:50:13.920 their physical body and start walking around. That's the big impossibility of the extraterrestrial 592 00:50:14.000 --> 00:50:20.760 hypothesis. It's just not feasibly possible, but it could be possible if they 593 00:50:20.800 --> 00:50:27.559 do indeed exist, that they use a form of technology to do it. 594 00:50:27.599 --> 00:50:31.039 And then that gets into well, you know, back in the you know, 595 00:50:31.159 --> 00:50:36.719 ancient societies, and not the societies, but ancient, prehistoric, not 596 00:50:36.760 --> 00:50:42.199 prestork but ancient times. Let's just say, and some of the drawings of 597 00:50:44.039 --> 00:50:47.119 in caves of beings that look like they have like a space suit on, 598 00:50:50.480 --> 00:50:52.320 you know, and they look like astronauts. I'm sure you're aware of that 599 00:50:52.400 --> 00:51:00.559 one. Ah. And then that, well, if that is an extraterrestrial, 600 00:51:00.639 --> 00:51:06.079 that would probably be something that they would have to wear, just like 601 00:51:06.119 --> 00:51:10.360 if we went to another planet, we would have to be in an astronaut 602 00:51:10.400 --> 00:51:15.559 suit, right, because we can't breathe that atmosphere, we can't stand in 603 00:51:15.599 --> 00:51:23.079 that gravity, we can't operate there like we operate here. Well, based 604 00:51:23.119 --> 00:51:27.360 on what you're saying, there's a lot of assumptions that we have to make 605 00:51:27.440 --> 00:51:30.199 with that because we don't know the level of technology some other species that they 606 00:51:30.239 --> 00:51:37.920 could have. We also we also are really conditioned by movies and TV shows. 607 00:51:37.239 --> 00:51:40.519 I think Interstellar was a good representation of this because when they went to 608 00:51:40.559 --> 00:51:45.559 the one planet, there was that super massive black hole and a few hours 609 00:51:45.599 --> 00:51:49.760 there was like years back on Earth. And these other TV shows like Firefly. 610 00:51:49.840 --> 00:51:52.360 I think Firefly was one of them where really there wasn't sound in space, 611 00:51:53.039 --> 00:51:57.760 so kind of changing the perception of how we view space travel and whatnot. 612 00:51:58.039 --> 00:52:01.119 A lot of those things are based on assumptions. But I agree with 613 00:52:01.159 --> 00:52:06.199 you in the sense that I don't think that these things are coming from somewhere 614 00:52:06.239 --> 00:52:09.880 else like extraterrestrials. I don't think that. I think and I'm not going 615 00:52:09.920 --> 00:52:17.119 to say interdimensionals, but I think it's something that one is probably more an 616 00:52:17.159 --> 00:52:25.320 agregoric manifestation of subconscious and unconscious fears and symbols and motifs. And I think 617 00:52:25.440 --> 00:52:29.639 you and I said we might talk about this in the next next hour long 618 00:52:29.719 --> 00:52:32.519 thing that we do here, and that is the idea of the reptilian brain. 619 00:52:34.320 --> 00:52:38.000 People say humans were created by reptilians and humans were kid by aliens, 620 00:52:38.039 --> 00:52:42.679 and it's like well, the reptilian brain, and some people say that doesn't 621 00:52:42.679 --> 00:52:45.559 exist, But the reptilian brain is the oldest part of the brain. It's 622 00:52:45.599 --> 00:52:49.920 where the rest of the brain in a sense, for lack of a better 623 00:52:50.000 --> 00:52:54.760 term, evolved from. So by that fact, would you could say that 624 00:52:54.840 --> 00:53:00.199 humans evolved from reptilians or humans were developed and designed by reptilian aliens, Because 625 00:53:00.199 --> 00:53:04.519 it's like the reptilian brain. When the reptilian brain, even though it is 626 00:53:04.599 --> 00:53:08.840 instinct and it is order, and it is calculating and those are all necessary 627 00:53:08.840 --> 00:53:14.320 components of life and survival and the animal self and all that, it's also 628 00:53:14.480 --> 00:53:20.159 very kind of alien to consciousness, and it's alien to love and compassion. 629 00:53:20.800 --> 00:53:23.840 So that whole idea of something being different and something being hidden in the dark 630 00:53:23.880 --> 00:53:29.079 recess of the mind, like the predator always hiding in the dark, those 631 00:53:29.119 --> 00:53:34.719 things, I think have led us to a misunderstanding of alien, a misunderstanding 632 00:53:34.760 --> 00:53:40.480 of the reptiles, a misunderstanding of mythology. And so we just we take 633 00:53:40.559 --> 00:53:45.079 the images on a wall and a temple and say, well, that must 634 00:53:45.119 --> 00:53:47.800 be a man in spacesuit. And I never under a person. I didn't 635 00:53:47.840 --> 00:53:52.039 understand. I never understood that I thought, why would an alien that came 636 00:53:52.119 --> 00:53:58.800 four thousand years ago just happen to be wearing an Apollo eleven, twelve thirteen 637 00:53:58.840 --> 00:54:01.880 whatever spacesuit. To me, that doesn't make any sense. I would imagine 638 00:54:01.880 --> 00:54:05.679 that they would be as well. Again, it's kind of an assumption, 639 00:54:05.719 --> 00:54:08.920 but I'd imagine that they would be so different than us that I mean, 640 00:54:08.960 --> 00:54:17.000 look at the difference between like American society, Russian society, Japanese society. 641 00:54:17.039 --> 00:54:23.360 Like the architecture is so completely different on planet Earth. Like if you're talking 642 00:54:23.400 --> 00:54:28.239 about things or beans coming from elsewhere, you'd think that their space suits would 643 00:54:28.280 --> 00:54:32.000 look totally different than ours. I mean, American spacesuits look different than Chinese 644 00:54:32.000 --> 00:54:36.719 spacesuits, or at least they you know, the originals look totally different. 645 00:54:36.760 --> 00:54:39.199 Some of the stuff today is more more contemporary modern. It's probably the same 646 00:54:39.199 --> 00:54:43.159 companies making it. But like the way we design buildings, the way we 647 00:54:43.199 --> 00:54:46.119 design clothing, like our clothing in America is totally different than the clothing they 648 00:54:46.119 --> 00:54:51.840 wear in other countries, or you know, like architecture, clothing, food, 649 00:54:52.039 --> 00:54:53.320 So if you're talking about something from somewhere else, you could I would 650 00:54:53.360 --> 00:54:59.079 assume that they would have totally different types of spacesuits. So I think, 651 00:54:59.079 --> 00:55:04.760 if anything, it's not the outer space that we have to be concerned with 652 00:55:05.039 --> 00:55:08.199 or thoughtful with, it's the inner space. They think all this stuff is 653 00:55:08.239 --> 00:55:14.159 really it's not just in a physics to physics terminology. It's all happening inside 654 00:55:14.199 --> 00:55:19.639 of us. And then we externalize it, whether that's UFOs or reptilian aliens. 655 00:55:20.199 --> 00:55:22.079 And these are things that have been seen forever, and they're in every 656 00:55:22.119 --> 00:55:28.119 society and every culture. Wrote the reptilian motif, and then we turn it 657 00:55:28.159 --> 00:55:31.559 into a modern myth and we put it into pop culture, and then we 658 00:55:31.639 --> 00:55:37.400 think everybody's run by reptilian overlord's control everything. It's like, well, if 659 00:55:37.400 --> 00:55:40.920 someone's very cold and calculating and doing things in the dark and they're involved in 660 00:55:40.920 --> 00:55:45.159 conspiracies, like that is the essence of the reptile. So sure they're controlled 661 00:55:45.159 --> 00:55:50.880 by the essence of the reptilian. In the same way writer that when someone 662 00:55:51.000 --> 00:55:53.519 gets you know, real pumped up and real you know, maybe they're really 663 00:55:53.599 --> 00:55:58.960 aggressive and angry, and maybe they're possessed by the wolf. They become a 664 00:55:59.000 --> 00:56:04.519 were wolf. Like where wolves it's like that's they where wolves exist. They're 665 00:56:04.559 --> 00:56:07.440 just not half human half animal. They're just they person they're persona. Humans 666 00:56:07.480 --> 00:56:12.719 are personifying those qualities. Like all the women in the New Age community that 667 00:56:12.760 --> 00:56:16.559 are lionesses and goddesses, they're not real. They're not real lions and they're 668 00:56:16.559 --> 00:56:21.800 not real goddesses, but they're taking on the image and the persona of that. 669 00:56:22.559 --> 00:56:25.119 Well, you don't believe all those people are lionesses and goddesses. Bro 670 00:56:25.280 --> 00:56:29.559 come on. Only people that believe that are people that want to get laid. 671 00:56:30.920 --> 00:56:37.199 You don't believe that they're from the fifth Aucturion, fifth dimension incarnated liarn 672 00:56:37.320 --> 00:56:38.000 Do you come on? No? No, no, no, no, 673 00:56:38.320 --> 00:56:43.679 come on. You gotta believe that stuff wrong. Well, you know that's 674 00:56:43.840 --> 00:56:47.960 self proclaimed. Well, I'm I'm a I'm a lion, I'm a lion. 675 00:56:50.719 --> 00:56:52.760 Does that make sense though? Is that where I'm going with that? 676 00:56:52.840 --> 00:57:00.119 Does that resonate at all? Oh? Yeah? Absolutely? I Uh. 677 00:57:00.280 --> 00:57:05.840 I think I was just taking it on the basis of, let's disband our 678 00:57:07.639 --> 00:57:14.280 disbelief for a second in the aliens don't exist because I'm in total agreement with 679 00:57:15.079 --> 00:57:17.840 almost everything that you said there. I think that it's definitely a personification, 680 00:57:17.920 --> 00:57:22.679 and it's about inner space and not outer space, because whenever people say space, 681 00:57:23.639 --> 00:57:29.039 people are automatically programmed to think that they're talking about outer space. That's 682 00:57:29.039 --> 00:57:34.360 a space. Space can be anything, dude. Space can be. It 683 00:57:34.360 --> 00:57:38.840 can be your car, it could be your backyard. That's space, you 684 00:57:38.880 --> 00:57:43.079 know, it could be. And I think most importantly, like you just 685 00:57:43.119 --> 00:57:47.039 brought up the space inside your head. I mean, that's where the Bible 686 00:57:47.079 --> 00:57:54.199 says that the temple of God is to his fears. The temple behind your 687 00:57:54.199 --> 00:57:59.000 eyes and in front of your ears is a temple of God. The temple 688 00:57:59.039 --> 00:58:04.960 of God isn't built by human hands. Now, it's in us. It 689 00:58:05.039 --> 00:58:14.760 is us so and I think that exploring that inner space is really important. 690 00:58:14.960 --> 00:58:21.880 In whenever NASA and any of these other any three load of organization or the 691 00:58:21.960 --> 00:58:25.519 government in general is talking about they put out an article, they don't ever 692 00:58:25.599 --> 00:58:30.880 say outer space. None of them say outer space anymore. They all just 693 00:58:30.920 --> 00:58:37.599 say space. It's just space. And then when people hear space, they're 694 00:58:37.599 --> 00:58:40.400 like, oh, they're talking about outer space. You know, in the 695 00:58:40.440 --> 00:58:47.159 beginning they said outer space. But that's like a programming technique. Then later 696 00:58:47.239 --> 00:58:52.320 on when you say just say space, they think you're referring outer space. 697 00:58:53.760 --> 00:58:58.400 And well that all of this everything we've discussed thus far, and I think 698 00:58:58.400 --> 00:59:01.960 we can go back to the very beginning of this little one hour show, 699 00:59:04.000 --> 00:59:10.199 is that when we can think about life and consciousness and ask these questions, 700 00:59:12.239 --> 00:59:15.679 that's what it means, I think, to be human. And I think 701 00:59:15.760 --> 00:59:24.039 that those people that don't have the ability or choose not to invest themselves in 702 00:59:24.079 --> 00:59:29.199 such thought, it doesn't mean that they're lesser, but they're certainly less conscious 703 00:59:29.239 --> 00:59:34.320 and aware by choice. And it's not a matter of being a better human, 704 00:59:34.400 --> 00:59:37.199 but like, the more consciously aware you are, and the more you 705 00:59:37.239 --> 00:59:40.840 can learn and grow and those things like that's I think that's what really makes 706 00:59:40.880 --> 00:59:44.800 you human. I think the best example, real quick before we're done with 707 00:59:44.440 --> 00:59:49.440 this one hour is the is the story I always bring up Revelation thirteen to 708 00:59:49.440 --> 00:59:53.320 four. It talks about how the dragon gives the beast is power. And 709 00:59:53.360 --> 00:59:58.039 although that could be extrapolated and that could be carried out in the real world 710 00:59:58.119 --> 01:00:00.239 people that represent the dragon, like King Charles, the red Dragon, or 711 01:00:00.280 --> 01:00:05.239 the beast like maybe Prince William, you could apply that to a lot of 712 01:00:05.239 --> 01:00:07.360 things. You know, Russia is the bear the beast, China's the dragon 713 01:00:07.559 --> 01:00:12.159 and they work together to fight the archangel Michael and Kiev, and the Us 714 01:00:12.239 --> 01:00:15.639 is the eagle that kills the serpent. And you can apply this to geopolitics, 715 01:00:15.679 --> 01:00:17.599 you can apply this to the royal family, and you can apply to 716 01:00:17.639 --> 01:00:22.119 anything. But I think what it really represents historically and psychologically is the red 717 01:00:22.199 --> 01:00:29.320 dragon is the reptile brain and the beast that the dragon gives power because the 718 01:00:29.360 --> 01:00:34.440 reptile brain is the spirit, and that's the emotions. They give power and 719 01:00:34.480 --> 01:00:37.119 the instinct power to the beast, which is the animal self. And when 720 01:00:37.159 --> 01:00:42.920 you can control the animal self and can control the beast and you can slay 721 01:00:42.960 --> 01:00:46.000 the dragon and collect the gold, that's the alchemical story which has been distorted. 722 01:00:46.840 --> 01:00:52.760 Then you are not just human. You're not just a son of man 723 01:00:52.920 --> 01:00:54.880 as they say in the mysteries, or a daughter of man. You become 724 01:00:54.880 --> 01:00:58.760 a son of God or a daughter of God. You understand that there is 725 01:00:58.800 --> 01:01:04.800 something far beyond the thing physical, and then you, in a kabalistic sense, 726 01:01:04.880 --> 01:01:07.920 you move up through Kether, through the head up into the demi God 727 01:01:08.400 --> 01:01:14.000 six their seventh sphere of consciousness and the Rosicrucian doctrine. So the point is 728 01:01:14.039 --> 01:01:19.400 the dragon is a necessary evil. The dragon is the reptilian brain, and 729 01:01:19.440 --> 01:01:24.239 the reptilian brain gives the animal self the authority and the power to wage war 730 01:01:24.320 --> 01:01:29.679 and conflict. And then you have to be a strong warrior and fight that 731 01:01:29.760 --> 01:01:34.159 dragon, slay that dragon, calm the beast like beauty, which is what 732 01:01:34.199 --> 01:01:36.559 the beat and the Beast story is all about. The divine self, the 733 01:01:36.639 --> 01:01:38.599 king, the prince put into a beast like form, has to find love. 734 01:01:39.159 --> 01:01:43.480 The rose is the symbol of initiation. There. Once you can conquer 735 01:01:43.559 --> 01:01:47.199 that dragon, you get the gold. That's what makes you a refined human 736 01:01:47.280 --> 01:01:53.199 being. Which is interesting because that's what a lot of the cult teachers in 737 01:01:54.400 --> 01:02:01.519 esoteric studies say that what happens when you die is that you face the dragon. 738 01:02:02.199 --> 01:02:10.639 Now, is that dragon symbolic of your life? Like a life review 739 01:02:10.719 --> 01:02:15.000 that a lot of people have claimed happens whenever you die. Is that what 740 01:02:15.199 --> 01:02:22.360 faceing the dragon means is not what the dragon is is a your existence here 741 01:02:22.519 --> 01:02:27.960 in this lifetime or robber Ros. Robber Ros is eternity. You face eternity 742 01:02:28.000 --> 01:02:32.960 when you die, infiniteness, nothingness or everything this or is it a physical 743 01:02:34.320 --> 01:02:40.159 dragon dragon ball z dragon ball Z dragon dragon rock the dragon dragon ball Z 744 01:02:42.320 --> 01:02:45.119 I love dragon ball z when I was a kidd. It is one of 745 01:02:45.159 --> 01:02:49.280 my favorite enemies ever. But Ryan, thanks for joining in this hour. 746 01:02:49.400 --> 01:02:52.960 Let people know where they can find you online. My friend. Thanks for 747 01:02:52.000 --> 01:02:57.039 having me and appreciating and respecting my opinion. I had a really good conversation 748 01:02:57.119 --> 01:03:00.000 with you. Writer. My show airs Monday through Friday and Round zero dot 749 01:03:00.119 --> 01:03:06.840 Radio and that is ten pm Pacific after the show airs, which is anytime. 750 01:03:07.159 --> 01:03:09.920 You can visit my website at www dot the Secret Teachings dot Info. 751 01:03:10.039 --> 01:03:14.840 There is an inbed player with my whole archive, and there's also an RSS 752 01:03:14.880 --> 01:03:20.280 feed you can copy and paste to say Apple or whatever. I encourage people 753 01:03:20.280 --> 01:03:25.320 to listen on spreaker s p R e A k e R that's the main 754 01:03:25.440 --> 01:03:30.039 archive on spreaker. So Ground zero dot Radio. Money you're Friday for the 755 01:03:30.039 --> 01:03:35.079 live show and then Secret Teachings dot Info for the inbed show and for my 756 01:03:35.199 --> 01:03:38.000 books. Thank you so much. Writer, you're doing a show in bed, 757 01:03:38.119 --> 01:03:43.719 Dude, you're recording this show from bed right now? Bro, what 758 01:03:44.599 --> 01:03:47.519 No. Ryan does amazing work. He's doing a show every day Monday through 759 01:03:47.519 --> 01:03:50.960 Friday. I high this suggess his work. If you like to check out 760 01:03:51.000 --> 01:03:57.360 more about me, Raised by Giants on YouTube, Otsey Rockfinn Rumble and all 761 01:03:57.400 --> 01:04:00.000 the different podcast platforms. And thank you guys so much much for tuning into 762 01:04:00.039 --> 01:04:05.599 this premium episode of Raised by Giants. We're gonna try and be pumping out 763 01:04:05.639 --> 01:04:10.920 two of these a week for you guys, So become a Writer Rangers member 764 01:04:10.960 --> 01:04:15.039 and support the show monthly and get this amazing, brand new premium content. 765 01:04:15.119 --> 01:04:15.639 See you guys next time.