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Show on Ground zero Radio, Brian Gable. How's it going, my friend,
It's going great, Ryder, thanks for having me on again. Yeah.
I thought that this would be a really nice conversation to have because we
already talked about a lot of different things, and we talk all the time
privately, and I thought, oh, hey, well how can we do
this so that everyone can watch and listen. So really looking forward to you
being on this journey with me, my friend. Appreciate it. Every conversation
we have on the phone off air turns into a show anyway, so you
might as well record it. That's what I thought. I was like,
Hey, man, I should just be recording all of these audio conversations because
they get they get super deep. So what I wanted to talk about today
is I watched the creator because the last time you were on, we talked
about a lot of the movies. We talked about. We went through basically
every single disaster movie that I think has ever existed, pretty much except The
Day after Tomorrow. I really liked the Day after Tomorrow. Did you see
a Day after Tomorrow that came out? Oh? Yeah, yep, Day
after Tomorrow? I believe. Wasn't that Art Bell and Whitley Streeber that wrote
the text for that of the book, for that of the story for that,
I think Willy Streeber was involved in that. I didn't know. I
think he'd have to look that up. Don't quote me on that, but
I think or at least Art Bell, one of the two or both.
That's really interesting because that's one of my favorite disaster movies because I think that
it's highly plausible, not so much with the hurricane stuff, but with the
global cooling. Then yes, the Earth may be experiencing, which I think
is a they're hidden us with the switcheroo. They're they're talking about that the
Earth is heating up when it's really cooling, which is a very interesting concept
which was portrayed in that movie. Yeah, it actually says I just looked
it up at nineteen ninety nine book The Coming Global Superstorm by Art Bell and
Whitley Streeber. The movie was based off of that book. That's right.
Wow, that's incredible. I did not know that Willie Streeber is responsible for
a lot of nonsense, along with Bud Hopkins as well. Yeah, Bud
Hopkins creating the whole missing time phenomenon with people creating screen memories. Willie Streeber
in his book Communion, you know, creating the whole lore and mythology surrounding
gray extraterrestrials. And then after that book came out, everyone was like,
oh my god, gray extra trestrials, they're here, They're kind of coming.
Everyone started seeing gray extraterrestrials after that book came out, like the Chevron
craft of Kenneth Arnold, and then everybody sew flying saucers rather than triangular craft.
But that doesn't mean that little green, gray, pink, whatever they
are, aliens aren't seen in altered states of consciousness. I think that's as
we've said before, that's where a lot of this stuff comes from, and
that can be naturally induced as well as artificially induced. Yeah, under the
influence of a substance I think is a majority of it. But yeah,
I'm going to actually be doing a whole deep dive on the legends of ufology,
and I'm gonna go back to Kenneth Arnald, I'm want to go to
Paul Benowitz. I'm gonna just start from the first sighting, which was Kenneth
Donald, and then I'm just gonna keep going down the list. That's gonna
be a really interesting show. But what I wanna talk to you about today
is this whole AI threat thing that we have going on here. And I
was watching The Creator and I was like, man, this is a really
interesting movie. They really try to humanize human AI cyborgs, and it actually
got me into a real deep philosophical thought pattern. And then I was like,
well, what actually makes us human? That's what I want to get
your thoughts on first. What is it that you think personally? Ryan?
This is going to be a real laid back philosophical conversation there. We're going
to have here. What do you think that makes a human a human?
Well, that is obviously a question that has been played with and discussed for
probably all of human history, or at least all of conscious human history.
I like to look at definitions, even though definitions of words change over time.
I like to look at what the spirit is defined as and what the
soul is defined as. These are two different things. The soul is considered
the immaterial part of what we are as individuals and collectively, and the spirit
is something that resides in the reptilian brain. It is that thing that is
the ego. It is that thing that drives us instinctually. So you could
look at the spirit as something that is kind of like, you know,
maybe in high school you have team spirit for the football team, or maybe
out of business you have you know, team spirit for the business getting the
project done. Spirit is kind of like a It's an immaterial thing, but
it's an emotional thing. And we know animals have emotions as humans do,
so emotions are not necessarily the defining factor in what makes us human. So
we have this idea of the soul, and that's something immaterial and timeless.
And physicists say that energy can only be transmitted. It cannot be destroyed,
it can only be transferred. So physics and theology have become married in this
one little, teeny tiny way that energy and the soul are these things that
are eternal, and so we, for lack of a better term, call
that God. And if you want my opinion, maybe beyond that in a
more in a more simple answer, I'd say the reason and the way in
which we can determine what it means to In regard to your question, what
it means to be human, I think is to be able to ask that
question, first of all, to be able to ask it, and consciously
being able to be aware of the differences between pain and pleasure. And I
give you one last example. I think that in pain and pleasure, I
would define that as being good and evil in a way. It's a necessary
evil. You have to have resistance to grow. So there's a really great
quote that I read, and I don't know the exact quotes, I'll paraphrase
it. And a Rosicrucian book one time I read, and whether you agree
with Rosicrucian philosophy or not, I just thought it was an interesting observation.
Was written by a guy who went by the pseudonym Magnus incognito, anonymous source,
and he said something the effective what makes a human human and what makes
an animal an animal is that an animal, say a horse, can stand
outside in the rain for hours and hours and know that it's raining, but
not be fully aware of what the rain is or what it represents, kind
of like a fish twin in water. The difference between an animal and a
human is a human can stand outside in the rain for a long time,
but a human is aware enough to understand, at least conceptually, what the
rain is and where the rain comes from. So it's the difference rider between
what they would refer to in the Rosicrucian doctrine and other certain philosophies as the
seven. There's seven like days of creation, or there's seven spheres of intelligence.
There's the elemental, so the elements fire with their water. There is
the mineral, so that's the tin man in the Wizard of Oz. There's
the plant, which is the scarecrow and the Wizard of Oz. Then there's
the animal, which is the lion in the Wizard of Oz, and then
there's human. It's human. That's fifth, and then the sixth is dimi
God consciousness, and the eighth or the seventh rather than eighth, the seventh
is God consciousness. So it's like a series of spheres that cross over and
so some animals I would say, therefore are probably more human than some humans,
and some humans are probably more animal than some animals. It's a matter
of consciousness and awareness, and however you define that, I think that would
be my view. That would be how I define what it means to be
human, not just emotions, because that's something that is separate from the soul.
It's interesting that you bring up there some humans may be more animal and
more some animals may be more human. Because I think this most people look
at what a human is and this is just in general terms as being in
a physical body. So we're really only human because we have this physical human
body. But then if you were to take the consciousness of a human or
the soul or the spirit, I think it's all the same thing. I
think it's all we've just put labels on it to try and define what it
is. I think the consciousness encompasses the soul and the spirit. The soul
and the spirit is the basis for the consciousness itself. But if you were
to take that consciousness and then transfer that consciousness into an animal, people would
still people would be like, that's an animal, even though it has a
human consciousness. This is just hypothetical, right. If you could take the
consciousness of a human and put it into an animal, people would still regard
that animal as an animal because of its physical appearance. Yeah, the physical
body then gets into Well, if that's the case, then if you could
take a human consciousness, which again I believe encompasses the soul and the spirit
of the individual, and then you place that consciousness into a cybernetic human AI
robot, does that mean that it's just a robot or is it a human?
Because it has a human consciousness, It has the physical appearance of a
human, it would have the emotions, it would have the memories of a
human, It would think that it is human. So I guess what I'm
getting at is are we defining what we are just solely based on our appearance
or because a lot of people say, oh, well, we're just spiritual
beings living in a physical existence a physical reality here. So but if that's
the case, then it wouldn't matter what vessel we are in as long as
we have the same consciousness. You couldn't even tell. I mean, maybe
you or I could, or maybe some people that are in tech like technological
fields could, but like the average person, certainly, and I've been fooled
by it myself certainly, couldn't tell whether the chat bot or the individual you're
talking to on a you know, a chat on like a tech services or
something for your phone or for your Internet or whatever. They've become so advanced
now that it's hard to tell if they're human or if they're robotic responses,
So you don't really know if you're talking to a human or if you're talking
to a machine that's emulating a human. I think that's a good example of
the question that that you're getting at. And I also think one other thing.
I think that part of this debate is that we all have a different
definition of what it means to be human, I think, generally speaking,
and I think I agree with you that the soul, of the spirit,
etc. These are all part of consciousness. It's all part of the there's
different levels and layers to it, different different levels if you will, too,
what it means to be consciously aware. And I think we try to
use these different definitions and words to natural to quantify existence and quantify what our
purposes. And you get one extreme that says there's no purpose to life.
And another one says the greatest purpose is you know, the creation of the
human being and just you know, living for God. And I don't really
agree or disagree with either side, and I know that that's not a helpful
answer to anybody listening, but I think that it's probably more of a personal
thing. Like it's an individual thing if if you can look at it from
your point of view. Everybody has their own point of view, of course,
and you can find meaning and purpose and value within you know, your
life, then that probably is what makes you more human than an animal who
just abides strictly by the instincts of the spirit or the reptile brain, if
you will. Does that make sense? I think that there's the difference between
human and animal in that sense, and maybe human a machine is that beyond
the instincts, there is a form of consciousness that can understand the instincts and
override the instincts, which is what all the mystery schools would teach to slay
the dragon, kill the beast, and take the alchemical gold or take the
treasure that the dragon guards. So I think that that's interesting too when you
apply it to your robot example, because if a robot can be programmed with
certain instincts in a way like responsive. They make skin now for robots for
years, and they make basically all the parts of the human body, the
larger parts can be replicated in a robot, So a robot could feasibly feel
those types of things physically, and even be programmed to feel emotions. And
I don't really think there's a right or wrong answer to to suggest one way
or the other that that robot isn't feeling emotion, that robot isn't conscious.
Maybe in the long run, very advanced machines and by some definition could certainly
be human because chatbots already can fool us very easily, So you apply that
to a machine like an actual humanoid robot, and you might not be able
to tell the difference. It be kind of like the replicants and Blade Runner.
It's really interesting, But then it gets into the concept and the ideas
where does our consciousness actually come from? Because I feel like that it would
be a difference if the humanoid AI robot cyborgs actually had human consciousness. So
if what they did was they decided to replace the physical human body as it
is now with all these organs and like flash like how we're born and take
a human that is already living now and do some sort of consciousness transfer program
transfer that consciousness into trans sort of but into what would essentially be a replicant,
just like replicants With Keanu Reeves, he replicated his his family whenever they
died in a car accident. He made humanoid AI robots that looked exactly like
them, transferred their consciousness into that humanoid AI robot. Like, I think
that that would get way more touchy of an issue because obviously, if you
just have regular robots that look like robots, you know that they have some
form of synthetic AI consciousness. But I think the conversation changes when it looks
almost identical to us and it may have a human consciousness in it. Like
in the movie that we just watched the other day, that new and on
Netflix, Rebel Moon, right whenever they were on that planet and the galactic
overlords come to steal all of their food and all that, and then they
come with those robots and that guy is just beating the shit out of the
robot for like no reason. But would he be doing that if that robot
looked almost identical to him if it looked like a real legit skin and flesh.
I mean, maybe he could have if he was an asshole. But
I think the conversation changes when we create something that looks almost identical to the
way that we are, which then goes back to is this all about the
physical appearance of things? The argument there also might be that we would create
things that would look like us because they would make us feel more comfortable to
be around them if they laughed, or if they made jokes, or if
they had voice, like a voice mirroring technology that made them sound and that
already exists. AI can replicate any voice and make up voices that don't exist
based on patterns of other voices. That it would be more comfortable to be
around those things if they looked and acted and kind of responded in the way
that we do. And that would make, of course a lot of people
nervous, because that would make the people that develop those technologies seem as if
they were godlike that they created this whole new race of humans, kind of
like Westworld or something like that. I also think we're also already like I
have a cell phone. This is like the computer or the microphone, like
this already makes us by definition, cyborgs, and we already have increasing levels
of technology in regard to this particular type of technology, mechanical, digital type
stuff that we utilize every day and don't think about it. Our cars,
that's an extension of us. Cars even take on our personalities, right,
air conditioners one behind me here, like these are all things that make us
part robot, working with robots, and it all makes us part cyborg.
Obviously, the question is going beyond that, to the point where you create
something that's very human, and I don't think that that's something that's going to
happen in the next couple of years. All these movies, even going back
to The Terminator, which also took place in LA, like that the creator
with the bomb went off in LA. Those are just, of course exaggerations
and dramatizations of like the worst case scenario. And I'm not saying that that's
something I'm not worried about. Personally, I don't use chat GPT, I
don't like playing with that stuff. I don't even like having a lot of
technology. I have this computer in this phone, and that's about it.
The rest of my possessions are books and things I use are analog, and
I don't like a lot of digital things. It's just my personal preference.
But we use a lot of these things all the time anyway, and a
lot of them have made our lives much better. It's kind of like the
argument that I always hear is that like technology is going to be developed to
a point where it's going to take away people's jobs. It's like, Okay,
well, in the twentieth century, early twentieth century, new technologies were
threatening to do that, and a lot of jobs did disappear, but there
are still a lot of jobs that are created as a result of those technologies,
and the economy did not collapse as a result of that. It collapse
because of banking fraud and whatnot in the twenties, the Great Depression. But
today we're worried about the same thing. All the machine is going to take
our jobs, well, some jobs perhaps, but then other jobs will be
developed and will have different needs and wants and desires in twenty thirty years,
and we'll create new jobs for that and new businesses, and so I'm not
worried about the economic impact of it in that regard, And I think a
lot of people don't really there's a really good book written about this. I
think it's called Economics in one lesson where they talk about the aspect of robots
and machines and how it hasn't affected us in a negative way, like a
lot of people have feared in the past. So some of this fear over
this stuff is I think a recycling of fears from the past and a lack
of understanding of history. But at the same time, there are certainly things
that I wouldn't say we should fear, but we should be very concerned with.
Instead of talking about what kind of Just to be blunt with you,
I say this one of the secret teachings all the time. Instead of voting
for politicians that are okay with like gay sex, or they're like, yeah,
we like gay people, or we like this or that we like a
gay sex and that's why you should vote for us, instead of concerning ourselves
with that, we should probably be talking more so about the potential ramifications of
the implementation of AI across a broad spectrum of sectors of society. That's probably
a more important thing to be talking about than what kind of sex you like
to have and how many abortions you can have to be to be a progressive,
you know female. I think there are more significant problems and we should
be discussing those in terms of politics and how our society continues to progress and
develop. No matter what way you look at it, Ryan, I think
the US as who we are at this time, we've always been very adaptable,
Like we can adapt to our environment, we can adapt to really crappy
situations, really crappy places. That doesn't mean that we're going to like it,
that doesn't mean that we're going to enjoy it, but we can get
used to it. And I think that that has been the really the whole
goal here, that's the rollout of this kind of stuff is to you like
the slow drip method, you know, like how everyone talks about the UFOs
and the aliens and disclosure. They're like, oh, it's it's just a
slow drip method. They're just slowly dripping it out to everyone. They're gonna
tell us at some point sometime in the future. Subscribe, subscribe to my
channel. I'll tell you what the aliens want you to know exactly. I'll
channel the Fifth Galactic Federation of thirty three Planets, and I'll tell you all
the information and exactly what's going on with those aliens, which just reminded me
of the second show that I wanted to do. But I'll put a note
for it here really quick. Okay, there we go. So we're very
adaptable species of people. I mean, if you think back to whenever we
you know, as far as back as history, and people think that,
you know, the first humans were you know, cave people, a contrary
to what other people have said, we adopted at that time. And then
when you think of well, what were those people dreaming about? Were they
dreaming at all? Like, were those prehistoric people dreaming about a hovercar?
Were they dreaming about the technology they weren't watching David Wilcox, So probably not
right. Yeah, but it brings into a really good question because we really
only base things off of our environment as like a whole. So I guarantee
you the people even two hundred years back weren't dreaming about the things that people
dream about today because their environment is completely different. You know, the cave
people back in the day, we're probably dreaming about food and hunting and everyday
you know activities. So it's based off of Yeah, it's based off of
their environment and their perception of reality. And as we progress and new things
come into our consciousness, the more that our dreams change and the more that
society changes. I don't know if that makes sense or not. It doesn't.
It could also be that people think about it. Carl Jung talked about
this with UFOs too, that for hundreds of years people have dreamed and painted
and depicted different things that today we would consider to be UFOs or flying saucers
or whatever term you want to apply to them. But it's only because that's
our modern understand we say they're spaceships today, right. Well, people might
have had the same dreams of things coming down from the skies, divine intervention,
you know, the gods coming down, angels coming down, and in
those days, they would have been angels or they would have been you know,
it could have been fire coming down from the heavens. It could have
been God as upset. It could have been interpreted the same dreams, but
it could have been interpreted and it would have been interpreted completely differently than we
interpret those things today. Because we have a dream of something coming down from
the sky, we get on YouTube or TikTok real quick and we tell people
we had, we got abducted by aliens and they came to us and talked
to us in our dreams. I would assume that people one hundred two hundred
years ago didn't think that way, but maybe one hundred years ago, but
like three four hundred years ago, I didn't think that way, But they
had probably the equivalent type of dreams, and then they would have probably applied
to them whatever they whatever their understanding was of the world around them. Is
that along the lines of what you're saying, Yeah, I just think that
our how our environment and the adaptability of who we are now is all influenced
by the things that we know. Like I don't think that people can really
do things that they don't necessarily know about, right, Like you can't really.
It's like the concept of like a dream that your dreams can't create somebody,
Like you can't see something that you've never witnessed before. Like your mind
just can't create a face that you've never seen before. It can only it
can replicate it and change it slightly, but it's a variation based off of
what you've seen. So we have all these movies and these TV shows and
all this media we have, like our phone we have, we can listen
to people talk all day long, for twenty four hours a day if we
want to, and that's going into our consciousness, and then we're replicating that
within our dreams. So you have, like I don't know, ten cavemen
and all they would do is hunt and you know, gather, and then
they were set around the fire at night and tell stories. Then that's probably
what they're going to end up dreaming about. This may be completely off topic,
but I just think that that is kind of interesting how our environment and
our perception and the things that we watch and the things that we listen to
cultivate and create our sense of reality and then mold and shape that reality and
in the dream state. I don't know if it's necessarily off topic, because
I think I think we could bring it around full circle, if you will.
And this is just a thought that I just had. You know,
what if in the development of new technologies that are more artificially intelligent based I
mean, most of those things, almost all those things, they're not really
intelligent per se. They're just they're learning off of patterns. They're learning off
of pieces of art and music and things that humans have already created, right,
and they can distort that and change that. So what if the fear
that we have and it's a ration, I think it's a rational fear,
the fear we have of the proliferation of technology to the point of destruction and
devastation, although history has shown us that is not necessarily what happens. Although
it drastically changes the way the world works with airplanes and electricity, and it's
all positive, but there are certainly downsides. If you were collecting whale fat
in the eighteen hundreds and then electricity comes along, you're probably out of business.
You know, you don't need the well fat to light your lamps anymore.
But that's that's real progress forward and new new technologies and new developments.
That's good. But with an irrational fear of these things, and especially with
the proliferation of social media, we could also feasibly create something that is whatever
we want to define AI as. And it otherwise is very cold and calculating
and learns and develops, and it learns from what we know and what we
do, and maybe it otherwise wouldn't have there wouldn't be any potentiality, let's
say, or maybe a slim potentiality for there to be any kind of harm
that it could that it would create. In relation to the old idea that
maybe the machines are going to see us as hostile and they're going to eliminate
humans. That's what the Terminator and all that stuff's about. So maybe that
that wouldn't even be in let's say, the conscious if you will, of
the AI, unless humans are so afraid of it and irrational, and because
of that and because of what we create in the movies and TV shows,
we actually plant that idea, if you will, in the mind of the
AI, and it otherwise wouldn't be destructive if we weren't so afraid and so
fearful, and we, like Peter in the story in the Bible, didn't
we were so afraid of the waters and sinking that we actually sunk into the
water because we took our eyes off of Jesus in that story. So it's
just an idea. What if we actually put those ideas, if you will,
and we certainly have, into the mind of the AI, And maybe
the idea of well, maybe we should destroy humans comes from the fear that
humans have it. It's another thought, and that's one of those things where
the environment certainly influences the machine as much as it influences us. And my
point is writer that I don't think I think there's a rational and an irrational
fear. And like I said, in the past, with the Industrial Revolution,
jobs were lost, but then a lot more jobs were created and new
things were produced and we moved forward. I don't think that modern technology is
going to completely destroy us, but there are certainly more increasingly devastating consequences because
letting machines like the cotton gin or letting maschine machines print something that's totally different
than giving control of nuclear weapons or whatever the cases to machines. And then
I'd say the worst possible scenario is probably not AI taking over. It's probably
having everything so digital that with hackers or bad actors or whatever, we could
lose vital information that just gets wiped like that, or bad actors or hackers
or whatever the cases, could access you know, a server or access a
I don't know the exact terminology, but access you know, a drone with
a missile on it, Let's say, and you know, fire that missile
or drop that bomb or launch those missiles. It might not be it's probably
not the AI at all. It's probably not the machines at all. It's
probably humans. And the humans are responsible for doing those things, not just
because we built it, but because if you turn everything over to the machines
and there's no human let's say consciousness in full control of it, we let
the Mashie and whatnot decide what to do, or even if we control them,
it's a lot easier to hack. At the point is it's a lot
easier to hack into somebody's phone and get their bank information than it is to
you know, hack into somebody safe in their house and take the physical cash
out of it, if that makes sense. So that I think the danger
is the trust we put in these things, and the trust that we probably
shouldn't put as much in in bad actors that could take advantage of of the
the way that we've i guess set up our defense systems and set up the
way that the military works and those kinds of weapons and things like that.
Does that make sense? How do you think that a AI would learn without
this digital world that we've created, because that's the way that they explain how
they program. A lot of the AI is hooking it up to the Internet
so it can access all of that information. What if we didn't have the
Internet? Is there a way that you would think that an artificial intelligence would
be able to learn about our characteristics what we do on an everyday basis,
Like, how would it learn if we didn't have the Internet. You're saying,
like the Internet doesn't exist at all, or just we don't have access
to it just doesn't exist. I don't know if it could learn then,
unless we're talking about like another another species or something from somewhere else that's not
from Earth or from this dimension, perhaps I don't think it could learn because
I feel like everything has to be connected. They call it the IoT,
the Internet of Things, and some have referred to the Internet as kind of
like the brain and the US and the cell phones and all that stuff are
kind of like the limbs and yeah, like skynet, but going way beyond
that, where it's everything's connected to the Internet of Things, the IoT,
and that's basically like an artificial shell if you will, for this artificial consciousness
to inhabit. If you didn't have that, you didn't have the Internet,
probably wouldn't have computers the way that we have them today. It certainly wouldn't
have cell phones the way we have them today, and I would think that
that would probably mean that there really isn't there really isn't that same danger,
and there probably isn't a way for it to learn in the same way.
Have to be another method. Well, how do how do humans learn?
Humans learn by observing? Well, hopefully we learn by making mistakes and correcting
those mistakes. So can you create a human AI cyborg, have it go
through the process of a everyday human, put it in societ society as a
legit human, and have it learned that way through experience, through failure,
through observation, through learning, just the way that we learn, and then
have all of that data collected into a hard drive and uploaded someplace else,
I suppose. So theoretically, right, you could play around that idea and
say that the human body is basically a computer system. Right. We have
like antivirus software, if you will, and we have a computing of CPU.
We have a computer process or unit, and their brain is and we
have you know, a hard shell quite literally, and like we have bones.
It's like the structure of the machine. So we are we are machine
like in that way. Even if it's just symbolic or it's a metaphor,
And yeah, I suppose that's what you could argue. That's what human life
is anyway. It's something that is conscious placed in to the physical thing,
and then we learn and grow and we get old, and then we die,
and consciousness is supposed to transfer and go beyond that and not die.
So I guess that's what kind of that's what kind of what life is in
anyway, based on what you're saying. Yeah, and that's just an interesting
thought pattern, you know, like, well, if we're already cyborgs,
and we're already in this kind of AI artificial intelligence, a cybernetic universe simulation,
then what makes the difference if we're in a cybernetic body. I don't
think that it would make any difference. Have you seen the that movie what's
it called? It's on Netflix, where there's an alien invasion, but it's
not aliens, it's actually humans and the humans come down. So oh,
it's incredible, dude. Once I think of it, I'll give you the
name of it, because it's an incredible movie. Pretty much, three quarters
of the way through the movie, you think that you see all these ships
coming toward Earth, and everyone on Earth is like freaking out that it's like
an alien invasion. But it's not really an alien invasion. It's humans that
left Earth a long time ago to get away from the AI cybernetic human cyborgs
that took over the planet, and they were coming back to Earth to take
back over the planet. That sounds still as that sounds like actually very similar
to the prequels to the Dune franchise. That's actually sort of what they what
was it called the but Lerry and Jihad and the Machine Crusade. That's kind
of the idea in those prequels to Dune, which is also interesting. In
those prequels, Frank Kerbert's son writes about the AI being the only way that
humans defeat it is by being And this goes back to your question of what
makes us human? I think how humans are able to do things that are
not rational and not machine like, and things that are outside of even what
patterns could their pattern recognition. So that's the only way the humans in that
series can defeat the machines is by being human, by not being not working
within patterns and being kind of more irrational and emotional and not being not being
so logical. But yeah, it sounds exactly like the prequels to Doom.
I'd like to see that if you can think of the name. It's called
extinction. Extinction. Oh, I haven't seen that, but I think I
saw the poster for it. Yeah, it's uh wild movie. Because I
was kind of fooled in the beginning too. I was like, oh,
man, these are just aliens, but they're not aliens humans. And then
I mean, I've already ruined it, but it's still worth watching because it's
a very interesting concept. And then but I think that the subtext of the
entire movie is really that, well, what if we are the cyborgs.
I mean, we're already the most programmable species on the planet. Like you
show somebody how to do something, nine times out of ten, they can
duplicate it. They can do it again like that. That's like a muscle
memory. It's like a programming, that's like an autopilot thing. We learn
very quickly, especially whenever we're shown how to do something, and then other
people can. Other people learn in different ways, though some people like to
trial and error way, where they do something a bunch of times and then
they finally figure out how to do it through making all those mistakes. But
nine times out of ten, if you're shown how to do something, then
you can normally do it, especially when it comes to any kind of manual
labor. So then that brings into question, Well, you know, why
would they want to replace the human shall this physical body with some form of
AI human artificial intelligence when we already are that cybernetic human AI artificial intelligence.
Because robots break down, dude, they have to have repairs, just like
we break down, and we have to have repairs. We get aches and
muscle cramps, we get sick, we have problems, just like a robot
would have problems as well. The robot would eventually break down and have issues
just like we would. So it almost seems inconceivable to me that they would
even think to try and replace the what we call humans in our physical body
with synthetic version because we already technically are a synthetic version. Those new synthetic
versions, though, would last a lot longer, and they'd be much tougher,
and you could arm them, and they would be much more difficult to
defeat. But in the theme of what you're saying, I talked about this
in my book, The Technological Elixir. I've updated it a few times since
I was at twenty eighteen when I first wrote it. It's a big book.
I talked about how based on the writings of I can list a bunch
of them like groups and agencies and organizations and so on and so with federal
agencies and corporations based on the writings of the those companies. Samsung's a big
one. They wrote a big paper on six G technology where they said machines
will take control of these holographic realities. That's in their words, and I
wrote about how in my book I with taking all that into consideration. I
wrote about how there certainly is, regardless of what conspiracy theory says or what
people on TV say, there's an effort to replace carbon with silicon or other
versions of synthetic materials, or to create machines or whatever the case is.
And that's probably why there's a really big effort to demonize carbon as a pollutant,
and to demonize carbon as not only a pollutant, but like a very
very dangerous pollutant that's destroying the Earth. And you start to think that the
people that are advocating for that are alien, because nothing could be much more
alien that is outside of what it what we feel like is human and what
it feels like to be alive, like to live and to grow for somebody
or some group or there to be an ideology that says carbon dioxide is bad.
Carbon the basis of life as we know it is bad, and that
the sun is bad, and that nature is bad and we can modify it
and we can make it better, and there's not anything much more alien.
I'm not saying they are aliens. I'm saying there's not much that's more alien
than that, and then attempts to at even just theories that we can modify
the environment and alter things to prevent climate change and sounds like terraforming. So
you can't really blame people that think that aliens already have invaded or maybe like
captive state control world leaders, because the way that some of these people behave
and the things that they say sounds very alien. If that's not biological alien,
it sounds very machine like, you know, where they talk about the
statistical numbers of people that should be kept alive and people that should be that
should be useless, useless eaters that should be eliminated. So all that's very
alien, All that's very coldly calculated and machine like. And so maybe that's
because machines are or aliens or something or working behind the scenes, or these
people are just psychopaths, because psychopaths probably share a lot in common with with
machines. Psychopaths might be more dangerous than machines that have no humanity to them
because they machines could be programmed to mimic emotions. Psychopaths can try to do
that, but they really don't have an ability to mimic emotions in a realistic
way. So although some might say they're very charismatic and that's not true,
but those are just my thoughts. There really are movements to eliminate the basis
of life and to replace it with a completely different, synthetic version of life.
It's probably why a lot of people think that this is like an alien
invasion already, because the people that are wanting to do this, the Ray
Kurzweil's and the Peter Diamandas and all the others that promote this stuff. Like
Peter Dieman is just he literally just quoted Star Trek. He's the guy that
co founded the Singularity University with Kurzwell, and he said that the whole he
said, the whole movement toward AI and machines and all this stuff. He
said, it's not a matter of whether you like it or not. He's
like, it's going to happen, and you're going to participate in it,
and you don't have a choice. And although that might be true in terms
of progress, it just sounds very similar to the Borg from Star Trek.
You know, we are the Borg. You will be assimilated. Resistance is
futile, and that's kind of how Google and a lot of these companies are
approaching this issue. It's like you don't even have a choice that you don't
have it. There's not an option. You will do this. This is
what will happen to you. And not letting it progress naturally is another thing
that seems very alien. So, although we're not talking about aliens, we're
talking about carbon and that being replaced or eliminated in favor of something more synthetic
and artificial. And I think that all that goes into what you're saying,
what if the goal of creating let's just go out on a limb here and
say that aliens do exist. I don't believe that they do, but let's
just say that they do, right, extraterrestrials, I mean, let's go
on limbs, say extraterrestrials exist. Other planets are inhabited by these other extraterrestrials.
Some might be good, some might be bad. It's probably a mix.
If we're going off the concept that they actually do exist. Now,
what if the only way that they could get here is if they use some
form of technology like a consciousness transfer, But they just can't get into a
human body that already has a consciousness in it, So then they have to
create a replicant or a human AI cyborg to put their consciousness into an order
for them to be here. I don't know. It's pretty good thought like,
because the people's hypothesis of extra trestrials living on other planets, they if
they do, they just can't come here. It's impossible for them to do
that. They have a completely different ecosystem if they actually live there. They
have a different atmosphere, they have a different sun, they have different planets
all around them, Their gravity is completely different on every planet that we know
of in our Solar System, everything is different on every planet, you know,
So if they do exist out there, they just couldn't come here in
their physical body and start walking around. That's the big impossibility of the extraterrestrial
hypothesis. It's just not feasibly possible, but it could be possible if they
do indeed exist, that they use a form of technology to do it.
And then that gets into well, you know, back in the you know,
ancient societies, and not the societies, but ancient, prehistoric, not
prestork but ancient times. Let's just say, and some of the drawings of
in caves of beings that look like they have like a space suit on,
you know, and they look like astronauts. I'm sure you're aware of that
one. Ah. And then that, well, if that is an extraterrestrial,
that would probably be something that they would have to wear, just like
if we went to another planet, we would have to be in an astronaut
suit, right, because we can't breathe that atmosphere, we can't stand in
that gravity, we can't operate there like we operate here. Well, based
on what you're saying, there's a lot of assumptions that we have to make
with that because we don't know the level of technology some other species that they
could have. We also we also are really conditioned by movies and TV shows.
I think Interstellar was a good representation of this because when they went to
the one planet, there was that super massive black hole and a few hours
there was like years back on Earth. And these other TV shows like Firefly.
I think Firefly was one of them where really there wasn't sound in space,
so kind of changing the perception of how we view space travel and whatnot.
A lot of those things are based on assumptions. But I agree with
you in the sense that I don't think that these things are coming from somewhere
else like extraterrestrials. I don't think that. I think and I'm not going
to say interdimensionals, but I think it's something that one is probably more an
agregoric manifestation of subconscious and unconscious fears and symbols and motifs. And I think
you and I said we might talk about this in the next next hour long
thing that we do here, and that is the idea of the reptilian brain.
People say humans were created by reptilians and humans were kid by aliens,
and it's like well, the reptilian brain, and some people say that doesn't
exist, But the reptilian brain is the oldest part of the brain. It's
where the rest of the brain in a sense, for lack of a better
term, evolved from. So by that fact, would you could say that
humans evolved from reptilians or humans were developed and designed by reptilian aliens, Because
it's like the reptilian brain. When the reptilian brain, even though it is
instinct and it is order, and it is calculating and those are all necessary
components of life and survival and the animal self and all that, it's also
very kind of alien to consciousness, and it's alien to love and compassion.
So that whole idea of something being different and something being hidden in the dark
recess of the mind, like the predator always hiding in the dark, those
things, I think have led us to a misunderstanding of alien, a misunderstanding
of the reptiles, a misunderstanding of mythology. And so we just we take
the images on a wall and a temple and say, well, that must
be a man in spacesuit. And I never under a person. I didn't
understand. I never understood that I thought, why would an alien that came
four thousand years ago just happen to be wearing an Apollo eleven, twelve thirteen
whatever spacesuit. To me, that doesn't make any sense. I would imagine
that they would be as well. Again, it's kind of an assumption,
but I'd imagine that they would be so different than us that I mean,
look at the difference between like American society, Russian society, Japanese society.
Like the architecture is so completely different on planet Earth. Like if you're talking
about things or beans coming from elsewhere, you'd think that their space suits would
look totally different than ours. I mean, American spacesuits look different than Chinese
spacesuits, or at least they you know, the originals look totally different.
Some of the stuff today is more more contemporary modern. It's probably the same
companies making it. But like the way we design buildings, the way we
design clothing, like our clothing in America is totally different than the clothing they
wear in other countries, or you know, like architecture, clothing, food,
So if you're talking about something from somewhere else, you could I would
assume that they would have totally different types of spacesuits. So I think,
if anything, it's not the outer space that we have to be concerned with
or thoughtful with, it's the inner space. They think all this stuff is
really it's not just in a physics to physics terminology. It's all happening inside
of us. And then we externalize it, whether that's UFOs or reptilian aliens.
And these are things that have been seen forever, and they're in every
society and every culture. Wrote the reptilian motif, and then we turn it
into a modern myth and we put it into pop culture, and then we
think everybody's run by reptilian overlord's control everything. It's like, well, if
someone's very cold and calculating and doing things in the dark and they're involved in
conspiracies, like that is the essence of the reptile. So sure they're controlled
by the essence of the reptilian. In the same way writer that when someone
gets you know, real pumped up and real you know, maybe they're really
aggressive and angry, and maybe they're possessed by the wolf. They become a
were wolf. Like where wolves it's like that's they where wolves exist. They're
just not half human half animal. They're just they person they're persona. Humans
are personifying those qualities. Like all the women in the New Age community that
are lionesses and goddesses, they're not real. They're not real lions and they're
not real goddesses, but they're taking on the image and the persona of that.
Well, you don't believe all those people are lionesses and goddesses. Bro
come on. Only people that believe that are people that want to get laid.
You don't believe that they're from the fifth Aucturion, fifth dimension incarnated liarn
Do you come on? No? No, no, no, no,
come on. You gotta believe that stuff wrong. Well, you know that's
self proclaimed. Well, I'm I'm a I'm a lion, I'm a lion.
Does that make sense though? Is that where I'm going with that?
Does that resonate at all? Oh? Yeah? Absolutely? I Uh.
I think I was just taking it on the basis of, let's disband our
disbelief for a second in the aliens don't exist because I'm in total agreement with
almost everything that you said there. I think that it's definitely a personification,
and it's about inner space and not outer space, because whenever people say space,
people are automatically programmed to think that they're talking about outer space. That's
a space. Space can be anything, dude. Space can be. It
can be your car, it could be your backyard. That's space, you
know, it could be. And I think most importantly, like you just
brought up the space inside your head. I mean, that's where the Bible
says that the temple of God is to his fears. The temple behind your
eyes and in front of your ears is a temple of God. The temple
of God isn't built by human hands. Now, it's in us. It
is us so and I think that exploring that inner space is really important.
In whenever NASA and any of these other any three load of organization or the
government in general is talking about they put out an article, they don't ever
say outer space. None of them say outer space anymore. They all just
say space. It's just space. And then when people hear space, they're
like, oh, they're talking about outer space. You know, in the
beginning they said outer space. But that's like a programming technique. Then later
on when you say just say space, they think you're referring outer space.
And well that all of this everything we've discussed thus far, and I think
we can go back to the very beginning of this little one hour show,
is that when we can think about life and consciousness and ask these questions,
that's what it means, I think, to be human. And I think
that those people that don't have the ability or choose not to invest themselves in
such thought, it doesn't mean that they're lesser, but they're certainly less conscious
and aware by choice. And it's not a matter of being a better human,
but like, the more consciously aware you are, and the more you
can learn and grow and those things like that's I think that's what really makes
you human. I think the best example, real quick before we're done with
this one hour is the is the story I always bring up Revelation thirteen to
four. It talks about how the dragon gives the beast is power. And
although that could be extrapolated and that could be carried out in the real world
people that represent the dragon, like King Charles, the red Dragon, or
the beast like maybe Prince William, you could apply that to a lot of
things. You know, Russia is the bear the beast, China's the dragon
and they work together to fight the archangel Michael and Kiev, and the Us
is the eagle that kills the serpent. And you can apply this to geopolitics,
you can apply this to the royal family, and you can apply to
anything. But I think what it really represents historically and psychologically is the red
dragon is the reptile brain and the beast that the dragon gives power because the
reptile brain is the spirit, and that's the emotions. They give power and
the instinct power to the beast, which is the animal self. And when
you can control the animal self and can control the beast and you can slay
the dragon and collect the gold, that's the alchemical story which has been distorted.
Then you are not just human. You're not just a son of man
as they say in the mysteries, or a daughter of man. You become
a son of God or a daughter of God. You understand that there is
something far beyond the thing physical, and then you, in a kabalistic sense,
you move up through Kether, through the head up into the demi God
six their seventh sphere of consciousness and the Rosicrucian doctrine. So the point is
the dragon is a necessary evil. The dragon is the reptilian brain, and
the reptilian brain gives the animal self the authority and the power to wage war
and conflict. And then you have to be a strong warrior and fight that
dragon, slay that dragon, calm the beast like beauty, which is what
the beat and the Beast story is all about. The divine self, the
king, the prince put into a beast like form, has to find love.
The rose is the symbol of initiation. There. Once you can conquer
that dragon, you get the gold. That's what makes you a refined human
being. Which is interesting because that's what a lot of the cult teachers in
esoteric studies say that what happens when you die is that you face the dragon.
Now, is that dragon symbolic of your life? Like a life review
that a lot of people have claimed happens whenever you die. Is that what
faceing the dragon means is not what the dragon is is a your existence here
in this lifetime or robber Ros. Robber Ros is eternity. You face eternity
when you die, infiniteness, nothingness or everything this or is it a physical
dragon dragon ball z dragon ball Z dragon dragon rock the dragon dragon ball Z
I love dragon ball z when I was a kidd. It is one of
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