Let's see, will are the impossible or whatever I made however improbable must be
true. And it is not a question of the limpoper cultism. What a
touch of mysticism is to dead? It is vampires. There's a host of
damned souls and hellipots, thy father spirit doomed for a certain term to walk
the night here. The old gods aren't dead, and what are the true
god? He's dead? Can't complain. People assume the time is a strict
progression of cause to effect that action. From a nonlinear, non subjective viewpoint,
it's more like a big ball of wibbly wobbly timeywimi stuff. You're listening
to Paranormal UK Radio. Hi, everybody, this is Irene Island, the
host of the Paranormal UK Radio Show, the flagship show the Paranormal UK Radio
Network. And say it, say it. Hi, Here I am today.
We're nearly here. I am today with Mark Johnson. Ah, I
still crack up after all this time, You've you've you've flubbed my name.
We're only work in the beginning, been working together in a dozen years.
Hey over ten, isn't it You're about twelve? Twelve? Maybe more?
Yeah, yeah. And then and then here's here's the real irony part,
when when this show premiers, I will actually be right there with you in
the UK. Whoa, Now we're going to do a show from the UK.
I think we should. Yeah, yeah, we'll do one. You
can sit on the floor. We'll do one of our just you and I
banters. Banter shows could count. That should be a lot of fun.
M m yeah. But as of this recording, I'll be leaving in a
couple of days to fly over and be there for about twelve days. So
looking forward to it. M hmm. And on Friday. And that's what
I was saying. The irony is you and I've worked together for so long,
and this will be the first time we actually get to see each other
in person. Well, I have been avoiding you, darling. Well I
know, I know that you are you are evil that way. Oh no,
but it gets to a point where you run out of excuses, don't
you. True. I'm looking forward to meeting you, meeting you, seeing
you already know you're so seeing you, that's true, that's true. Well,
we're gonna have a lot of fun. So I'm looking forward to it,
and I will be taking lots of pictures and even filming, and I
might be able to put together a little documentary out of it. We'll have
to wait and see. Yeah, we'll be singing in the rain. Well,
I'll let you stand out soaking in the rain. I'll be undercover.
You gotta be joking. Would you think you are the one who wants to
stay dry? You haven't got a bomb start? Yeah, I know you'll
yank me out there and throw you out into the mud. M hm oh
good lord. Well, I'm looking forward to it. So it's gonna be
a lot of fun. So let's go ahead and get going on the show.
Here, we got a great guest or returning guest tonight, we have
Bruce Gernon joining us now. Bruce has a new book out called Bermuda Triangle
Survivor Pilot tells what he experienced in the heart of the phenomenon. And we
talked with Bruce a few years ago about his experiences, and I guess he
has some more information on what he experienced in the Bermuda Triangle. So Bruce,
welcome back to the program. Oh, thanks Mark, thanks for having
me. Hi Irain, Hello Sweety. Now, just so, are any
new listeners are tuning in. Let's talk a little bit about your your background,
what led up to the event, and then we can guess move forward
from there on what the new book covers. Okay, yeah, did you
hear that thunder go off? Here? When? Now that's my name?
Please tell me there's clouds in the sky. Yeah, I guess it's just
a coincidence. But okay, I'm into thunderstorms ever since I was born.
My mother told me it was the largest thunderstorm she was ever in when I
was born. Ever since then, an affinity for thunderstorms and everything related to
them. I love thunderstorms myself. In fact, last weekend I was sitting
down to the Jersey shore and a big one rolled in. I'm just sitting
on my balcony watching it and filming the lightning strikes. So yeah, I'm
right there with you, Bruce. Yeah, Well, that's what this story
experience that I'm about to tell you. It's really all about thunderstorms. So
how long have you been a pilot for Well, I started flying when I
was seventeen and then got my license when I was eighteen, so it's it's
been close to sixty years. Wow, long time or Are you still flying
these days? No, not the more I had to retire because my little
bit ex site M. Yeah, yeah, that'll do it. Well.
You've had a great career with with flying and now you your experience. You
know, it's been featured on numerous documentaries and television shows and it's probably one
of the more interesting stories to come out of their Bermuter Triangle because you experienced
something and actually came out of it to tell your story, where so many
people have disappeared in the Bermutera Triangle over the last hundred years. Now what
year did your experience and originally happened? It originally happened on December fourth,
nineteen seventy. I've been researching it ever since. What was Bruce? Yes?
Name me all right? First, have you have you flown through the
Bermuda Triangle quite a few times? Yes? I was it just this once?
M many times. I can't count them. Really. I started flying
there, I mean I was around let's see, right after I got my
license and uh, nineteen sixty six was the first time I flew there.
And then I started going there with my dad on business venture, searching for
property and we did that for five years. Would fly usually about once a
month, we could go to a different area of the Bahamas investigate the property
until we finally located what we wanted to develop on andrew As Island, the
largest island. H. I see, did you did you know about the
legend or the bmoved a triangle before before your experience? Did it frighten you
if you did before the experience? H before your experience, did you know
about the Bermuda Triangle, about these things disappear in ships and planes and things.
No? No, I didn't know anything about the name anyway, and
I didn't know that Bimity. For some reason, they called it a mysterious
island. I went there when I was only fifteen, and H I didn't
understand why they called it that, But now I understand why. It's it's
like the apex of the Bermua Triangle. Yeah, apparently people disappear, some
of the natives that were born there, they seem to disappear every now and
then, and so they call it sterious. Some strange lots of strange things
there. So you're saying, not only ships and planes disappear, but people
actually on the islands have been known to banish. Yes, Yes, interesting
I had not heard that one before. Yeah, it's it's a legendary island,
they call it. They've been calling it mysterious islands for many decades.
Well, I do know that divers had discovered what they called the Biminy Road
or off the island, which looks like cut stones in the ocean floor that
look like a road of some kind or maybe an old wall. And I
know scientists have tried to dismiss it as being cut by ocean currents and whatnot,
but it looks to man made to me, Yes, it does.
It's just controversial with hardcore scientists, mainstream scientists, and they're they're always like
that they need more data. I always need more data. I was friends
with the person who really discovered it. His name was doctor Manson Valentine's and
he discovered me too, and he put me in a book by his partner,
Charles Burnett's, and that was the first time I was exposed to the
world and in a best selling book. Yes, I read Charles Burlett's original
book. But before back that question, did I know of anything about the
bia Berna to triangle when I was flying all over the Bahanas it was?
The answer was absolutely no, except I had two mentors that had flown to
the islands a lot more than me. They were in the real estate business
and I was I was working with them at the time, and the two
of them once had an experience and it was near Andrew's Island too, and
whenever they were to explain it, which was fairly often, I could tell
there was something strange going on there because they would really get excited when they
starting to explaining what they experienced. It was. It was a very strange
cloud, a huge storm cloud there instantly and built up at a fantastic rate.
And the one pilot compared to stomic bomb and he had actually seen the
comic bomb go off over and I Hearroshima. He was the backup captain of
the twenty nine with Jimmy Doolu was the head plane, and he dropped the
bomb. He had a backup bomb in case Doulo's bomb didn't go off,
and so he actually saw the bomb and he compared it to that. So
I realized, Wow, that was there's something definitely guess unusually and actually that's
fascinating piece of history. I never knew that there was a backup bomb plane
following following the original plane. Yeah, I found that hard to believe too.
I always used to think he was just just bragging and got a little
carried away with his bragging because he used to claiming, well, he's been
in the eye of a hurricane and was the backup bomber for Jimmy Dooler.
But then I'd read an arcticle once did say that he was to back up
Obamba. Interesting, very interesting. So in nineteen seventy, what was your
flight plan for the day. What were you Were you out just for pleasure
flying? Were you conducting business of some kind? We were conducting business.
We had spent the day there on Thursday coordinating development of an island there just
right off shore of Andros Island and working with the English Parliament that owned the
land there. And we had planned on leaving first thing in the morning,
but on Friday that there were heavy storms all over the island of Andros,
so we had a hold off until three pm is when we were able to
depart the island and head back the Pambich International was the plan, and I
had done that probably a dozen times or so. The exact flight path that
I had flown in the Bahamas for oh, probably the four hundred hours,
maybe a hundred different times at the time. Then I was the pilot in
command. I did it, was also a pilot, but he was chief
navigator. I was a pretty good pilot, so they let me be the
pilot in command. So was it on the way back from the island that
you had your experience? Right? He was on the way back from Andros
when we reached the Great Bahama Bank. This is where it took place.
M hmm. That's a very areas. It's one of the largest shallow banks
in all of the Caribbean. It's the lines between Andros and Bim and the
island, and it's a usually an average of ten feet deep. And wow,
what did this experience feel like? M hmm? What did I think
about? What did they what? You know, what did the experience actually
feel like? Physically? Yeah, physically am mentally, We're like, there
are a couple of physical things that were unusual. When I first saw the
beginning the birth of this storm, it was like a lenticular cloud that was
hovering five hundred feet a book excuse me, above the ocean, and it
was just motionless. But there wasn't any wind, so that wasn't unusual,
but the cloud looked very unusual. They had very smooth edges, and these
clouds so usually only formed high altitude twenty thousand feet are higher. But looked
harmless, and it was right in my flight path, so I just flew
over it and then all of a sudden it spread out. And then while
I'm climbing up at a thousand feet per minute, when I got to about
three thousand feet, yeah, they'd reached me underneath me, caught up to
me, and I'm climbing at one hundred and five miles an hour going forward,
and at the time I didn't realize it not only reached me at the
vertical speed, reached me at the horizontal speed. So it was spreading out
over one thousand feet a minute going up, and it was spreading it way
over one hundred and five miles an hour. That's how fast I was going.
And then when it caught up to me, I went inside of it,
and it was low visibility, but yeah, it gave me a boost
when I went inside it. So that was the first physical feeling that I
got energy. Yeah, I could burst of energy. Yeah, So it
was of course I'm climbing at a thousand feet a minute, so it maybe
gets climbing a two thousand feet a minute. I'm not sure. Ya go
inside it. And then since I'm climbing now, I'm climbing with it.
So i'd get above it, I'd pop out of it, and I only
get maybe a couple hundred feet above it, and then it catch right up
to me again and I go back in it. So let's got away from
it. It was it was like it was trying to envelope you, as
if it was trying to catch you. Yeah. We started to get a
little nervous when we got to both ten thousand, because we were planning on
leveling off at that required altitude and it was we were still inside it.
My dad suggested that we turned around and go back with him. I decided
not to do that, not yet anyway, because it would have been worse
situation trying to go back into this strange cloud. Yeah. So when we
got to eleven thousand, five hundred, we popped out of it, and
I was in care of the sky again, and when I looked around me,
behind me, I was an ace that this little cloud had spread out
all around me, behind me, and they had built up to over thirty
thousand feet. Yeah, and it had a strange form to it. It
was it was like perfectly symmetrical. As far as I could see behind me,
it was like a horseshoe shape. And uh so I leveled off and
started cruising two hundred miles an hour, forgot about what I had just experienced,
you know, concentrated on flying the airplane, and then pony, like
five minutes later, I'm looking forward and I see a huge storm in front
of me, and it was like built up to like over forty thousand feet,
you know, and it had that strange, perfect symmetric with curved to
it on each side in front of me as far as I could see.
Another strange thing about it was I thought I figured I was going to fly
under it, and but I couldn't do that because it was and right on
the surface of the ocean. Mhm. When you went through you said that
you had poll pol vision. Were you able to see anything at all,
pick anything out, oatland or anything? Once I entered it, Yeah,
and it was it was this time, it was you know, like forty
thousand feet high. Yeah. Aim on a flight plant direct to dimonate.
So I stayed on my flight plant path and went inside the storm. And
that's this time it was more clear. I could see at least a couple
of miles because I could see the ocean, and yeah, there wasn't any
rain precipitation, and so I went in the deeper I got. The worse
it got. I went in there, over two miles in it, and
that's when the lightning flashes started go on, really powerful flashes, and got
to the point where I couldn't see anything when there were no flashes because it
was so dark, and in the flash I could see the ocean glow very
clearly. Yeah, it got really intense with electricity. So I decided to
turn around and fly out of it. Brus. When you see films on
the television about the Bermuda Triangle and things like, very similar, there's always
this uh, not evil but how would you put it? Hil not scary?
M really well, can you help me? Do you know? Do
you know what I mean? I'm not sure where you're going with that unless
you're talking about like a heavy feeling or that quite negative, but that paranormal
feeling that something is really going to happen. Something's going to come out of
it or whatever. Yeah, something paranormal people, some people seek this something
paranord what's going on here? Did you feel that did you get that feeling
of maybe that this thing was had a mind of its own or anything.
Yeah, that's the question that a lot of people used to tell me.
We thought he had a mind even recently working. Did you Yeah, did
you feel that it had its own own intelligence or anything, that it was
after you, who was trying to get you? But I tell you what,
I'm amazed that you manage when you got out of it to pull yourself
together and fly the plane. Put everything behind you and just concentrate on flying
that plane. I think I would have been an absolute piece. It's well,
it's if it's obviously you have to have done your crash. If it's
paranormal, them hmm, UFOs and aliens might have something to do with it,
because when I look back at what I experience, it's it's almost like
I always guided by smity because the timing was precise. It was just almost
too perfect. If I had made a wrong turn or thrown a little faster,
a little slower, it may have got cost and sided things things would
have been different, absolutely perfect. Yeah, that there was this shape like
a doughnut and I was caught in the middle of it. You know that
I found the escape group through a tunnel, and isn't it it's not a
poltal? Yeah, it was kind of we could call it a portal.
And uh, when I reached the other end, it was it closed right
behind me. It was getting smaller and smaller as I went through it.
And so here the timing again was incredible. I was able to reach the
other end right when it was closing. Yeah. And then and then when
it closed it I felt this incredible physical feeling that you were asking me about
it. So that's a feeling I'll never forget because I've only felt at once
and and it felt like zero gravity combined with the feeling of hydroplaning going forward.
So those two feelings were combined for about ten seconds and that's when this
electronic fog I call it, attached itself to the aircraft. And I just
thought it was some kind of a fog. Yeah, but it wasn't a
normal fog, and it took me thirty years to figure out that it was.
I think it's absolutely amazing which can. Honest, I thank you that
you actually survived, you know, I'm yeah, did you want sorry?
Yeah? Come on, well we get as ciphers. Oh well, it's
yeah. It's almost like fate that I survived this, for sure, because
like I was telling me all the timing how it worked out. And so
when I got into this electronic fog, yeah, I was heading on a
course that would take me towards Miami, and I was so confused as to
what to do. I figured out just keep going straight and not make any
turns. And I was able to contact Miami radio and they couldn't identify me
on radar, and they said there were no storms out there in the Bahamas,
they said, they said it was clear. Yeah, questions feel what's
that? I'm you know, I was just wondering the when you were in
the in these in these phenomenon that if did you experience any type of instrumentation
failure? Oh? Yes, as soon as I was in the fog or
maybe inside the tunnel, So I never looked at the instruments when I was
inside the tunnel, and as soon as I got out in the fog,
I checked them out and they weren't working. It properly, so I couldn't
figure out my exact position with the instruments. But according to time, which
we monitored very carefully back then, because we didn't have these GPS instruments that
they do today, and so according to time, we should should have been
about ninety miles east of Miami after I got out of the tunnel. I
was one hundred miles east of Miami when I entered the tunnel, and my
instruments couldn't verify that. And then even my magnetic compass was slowly spinning NonStop
counterclockys, and so they radar controllers knew there's something wrong, something mob going
on. I couldn't figure out where I was, and that happens to be
in the same exact spot that I called. The radar controller that the famous
flight nineteen that got lost also contacted their basse, the Navy Bass, and
told them they weren't sure of their position, the same thing I told them.
And they said their instruments weren't working properly, the same thing I'd had.
And they said that everything looks strange, the same thing as me.
That's why I couldn't identify where I was, because I'm flying inside this fog,
and I thought, I thought, I'm flying through five. So it's
kind of like flying inside a milk bottle. A famous author once you when
he was in it, Martin Cayden, a famous aviator. And so I
was in it for like three minutes when all of a sudden, it electronically
dissipated, and by that I mean it it detached itself from the aircraft.
And it took about ten seconds for about to happen where all these first,
all these lines formed our parallel to our direction of flight. I thought the
lines were miles long, but later I realized that when I came up with
the theory of how it attaches to you, that I realized that that those
lines were living on a few hundred yards long, and they got wider and
wider, and I could see the blue sky through the cracks, and then
within ten seconds it was care there and good visibility everywhere. But I looked
behind me, and I'm expecting to see this big thought bank, and yet
it was perfectly clear behind me. I didn't understand how that could be.
And then the radar controller came back and identified this rid over Miami Beach.
Ye, so that was good news. And from there I went to probably
International. But weren't you also much It's like you had jumped forward many miles
like you were when you came out of the fog. You still still should
have been about ninety miles off the coast, but you were right off the
coast instead. Well, that's right. Yeah, on the our controller told
us we were over Miami Beach. I looked at the time on my watching
it. I told him, no, he's wrong. I told him we're
probably about eighty five miles east of Miami. Yeah, and then I realized
that, yeah, it was Miami Beach. So I traveled from when I
entered the tunnel one hundred miles from Miami. I traveled to Miami in only
three minutes. In twenty seconds. Wow, So that would mean to have
to be going close to two things. Yeah, two thousand thousand an hour
and you were flying Assessna beachcraft Bananza beachcraft. Okay, yeah, definitely won't
go that fast. So you have this experience, and of course it's been
documented and talked about for the last few decades. Now you've had all this
time to think about it. You've written a couple of books about it.
But now you have the new book Bermuda Triangle Survivor, and you indicate that
you've come to some different Your research has been ongoing and now you have some
different ideas or theories about what you may have experienced. Yes, and I
was coming up with new theories. I mean not every day, but I've
been researching this for fifty three years, so maybe every few years or so
I come up with something. Yeah. But one of the things that scientists
David Paris that I worked with, Professor David Paris. He came up with
the theory that he developed along with me while we were trying to figure out
how this happened, and at first I I couldn't find what he said.
This was a few years ago. He thought that while I was in the
tunnel, well that's when space time started changing. But I knew that.
But he thinks that when I came out of that tunnel, I was ten
miles off shore of my inn, and then it took me three minutes,
which would be bright and according to what the speed I was going to reach
my inn. So that's a total of three minutes of twenty seconds. So
in other words, he's saying, when I came out of that tunnel.
I traveled like eighty miles in time in less than a second, So you
sort of traveled forward in till him then time in space. Yeah. So
if you thought that in miles an hour, it would be hundreds of thousands
of miles an hour. It was. Yeah, it was instant. And
that's when I felt that zero gravity combined with hydroplaning. Hmm. So he
might be right. I mean, he's he's been researching this now. I've
been working with him for over ten years and now he's from the University of
Nebraska, and now he's developed the whole team from some other scientists that are
from his university that he teaches. And what he's done is he's uh,
in his laboratory, he has replicated what I experienced the microscopper elements. In
other words, he is able to transport an element to say, a distance
of only a few feet. Yeah, but instantly it travels that distance.
You can't even I just you can't even measure how fast it got there,
just goes from one spot to the other instantly. And he's he's trying to
get he's got a patent patent on it now and he's trying to get some
more government funding to help him to develop what he calls it a warp drive,
so he could be right, and that's apropos I think, you know
what, it fascinates me with your experience and a lot of other people who
have had these experiences in that area, there are a lot of other locations
around the world exhibiting similar strange phenomenon. I liken what you're going through when
we talk about portals sounds appropriate some kind of space time rift. The description
of like the symmetrical shape that you saw is very similar to what they've described
out on the Skinwalker ranch out in Utah. They're doing their ongoing research out
there on that television show, and you know they've been talking about for years
of seeing these portals open either up in the sky and then it'll be dusk
and the portal opens. You can see bright sunshine and blue sky behind it
as a craft flies through, and then it closes up. Other times a
portal opens up and some humanoid creature crawls through, it jumps out and runs
into the nearby woods. There's also all the stories when you mentioned the people
disappearing. You know, David Polites with his books on missing people in the
National Parks, just like I was telling M exactly. That's what That's what
came to mind, is something happens, something opens up, and a person
is there one minute and the next minute they're gone. And I do believe
it's some kind of interdimensional type of phenomenon. Yeah, yeah, the Skinwalker
Ratches. That's going to be on I think tonight, And yeah tonight,
tonight's the finale. Who as we're recording this, Yes, it's pretty good.
Apparently they're going to announce that they may have discovered the portal and they're
getting offer close to it. So the thing that I flew through up in
the air has appeared to be another kind of portal. And something I recently
discovered has to do with the theory of relativity equals MC squared. It's called
length contraction. It's one of part of Einstein's theories on length contraction, and
what he says that how this works is that when a body approaches the speed
of light, in my case, the tunnel would appear to contract. And
that's what happened. When I entered this thing. I thought it was about
ten or twelve miles long, and I was only in it for twenty seconds,
So somehow it contracted when I entered it, and so and then he
says that the exit would be much shorter in time because of this length contraction.
And that's what happened, and instead of they'd take it should have taken
me three minutes to go through that tunnel, but it didn't. It contracted,
and then I was only in it for twenty seconds. And then another
thing to this theory is that if you go by why this is happening,
if whatever you're going by it, like if his case is outer space,
and there would be like planets or stars that he'd be going by it the
speed of light, but they would appear to rotate around whatever body, in
my case, airplane you are in. And that's another thing that happened.
As soon as the airplane entered the tunnel, all these little clouds, and
I believe my new thoughts are that the tunnel was like perfectly round, The
walls of the tunnel were perfectly round. But then there were other clouds scattered
all around in the tunnel. And so what happened when the body of the
airplane entered the tunnel, All these little clouds started rotating and they formed like
a line in front of me as I went through the tunnel. So it's
exactly what happens in length contraction. Of course he's talking about the speed of
light. I didn't have any feelings like I was going to speed of light
until the the gravity and hydroplane fielding came So it's still don't explainable, but
it's there's a correlation without a doubt with the length contraction theory from this theory
of relativity. Well, it's what they also refer to as an Einstein rosenbridge,
which and like what they're going to talk about on Skinwalker Rant is basically
the called a wormhole, and wormholes have been very much used in science fiction
for the last few decades as a quick way of traversing across the universe without
being dragged down by going the speed of light. And yet now it seems
like to be a very real phenomenon. And you know the fog that you
encountered. It reminds me of another another incident which is infamously known as the
Philadelphia experiment, and when they back in the forties, when they were using
these high generators on the USS Eldridge to try to basically make the ship invisible
to radar, and from what I understood that they were using TESLA technology that
they created with the mass massive electromagnetic field. They created one of these wormholes
and the Eldridge disappeared out of the Philadelphia Harbor and supposedly reappeared where I think
was up near Boston and then came back. But people who were on the
ship described the fact that they couldn't see anything, that the ship was surrounded
by this thick, weird fog which sounds almost like the electric fog that you
described around on your aircraft. Yeah, if they actually did that, yeah,
they're not trying to fog would definitely be involved or something like that that.
Do you know if somebody died during that happened or disappeared, Well,
first of all, there's only rumors, and because you know, the government
doesn't ever acknowledge that this event ever happened, people have come forward saying that
they were involved with the project. One of the famous descriptions was that supposedly
it made some crew members actually get fused into the metal deck, like it
made the ship itself liable or almost non material, to the point where when
the ship materialized, the people materialized half in the deck, so that had
to had to kill those people, so that the government was really responsible for
he were buying. So I mentioned to the well known doctor Valentine was a
researcher back then, and he was good friends with the chief of that that
event that you were talking about after it get his name. He was another
doctor, a good friend of doctor Valentine's, and he helped make the mainly
design. The whole thing was really his. He was the chief scientist.
And so after that happened, he started talking about it, and doctor Valentine
he used to get really upset when he told me about this. He uh,
he said that they murdered him, the government murdered and that they called
it a suicide. That he Valentine was positive that it was the government that
the murdered him. So, yeah, the government, I suppose they could
do something back like that, especially back then. Yeah, and they still
do in my opinion. You know, we have no proof of anything like
that, but yeah, yeah, very very in there's so much, so
many projects that have been involved, I mean and in and around the Bermuda
Triangle. There are other quote unquote triangles around the world. Where mysterious things
happen. Our guests last week. Mike Rickenseckor has written a book about what
they call the Alaskan Triangle, which is a whole section of Alaska where all
these weird type of phenomenon happen. People have seen UFOs, people have experienced
time slips just these areas around the planet, not just in the Atlantic off
of between the Bahamas in Bermuda, but other locations that just seemed to have
this high electromagnetic energy that causes definite distortions and space time possible doorways to other
dimensions Flight nineteen. Didn't they eventually find those aircraft on the bottom of the
ocean within the last twenty years. No, but they thought they didn't.
They even announced it, and there was the whole world was getting excited about
it. They found five of the Navy Avenger bombers only a few miles offshore
of Fort Lauderdale. And we're all together, like they were supposedly in nineteen
forty five. They all ditched together, and that limits were all together.
And then it so it took uh, I don't know, maybe quite a
few months to identify them. They have to find the IDs number of the
number of serial numbers on and then they found them, and then they found
that they were not It's like nineteen almost teen. They ended up in the
Deep Atlantic part of the sarcass Oc, very deep and unexplored areas there.
So define five PUB five bombers like that, it almost sounds like a plant
because otherwise you would have heard of five more missing bombers, and you never
heard of that, so it almost sounds like nothing. We've done a show
on that few years, but no, we might have the afar at the
same time. Yeah, yeah, that was famous back in nineteen forty five,
right at the end of World War Two, and they went through the
Ramuda Triangle and they vanished. In fact, one of the last communications with
the commander of that mission was first saying they were off course, they didn't
know where they were, and then very disoriented, and then they said,
don't come after us. They look like they they're from outer space. Don't
come after us hand raid. Those operators picked up a lot of comments that
are similar to what you just said. Then the Navy won't admit to them.
They don't know that once that they made. So there's no nothing,
nothing real. We're going on except that they did tell them that their instruments
are not working properly and the compass was off well, and then they sent
out the pby to go look for them and it vanished too. Yeah,
that may have exploded, though why would it. Let me ask you this,
I mean, I'm asking just because contenu its curious. Why would an
aircraft like that explode. Well, they used to call it the flying gas
tank. It held a lot of fuel. They could they could travel all
around the world. Yeah, a big It was able to land on the
ocean, uh waters, no problem, even in six eight foot seas it
could land it. Uh So if they went had a problem, they could
have just landed, but they didn't. But if they exploded, well then
maybe just a bunch of pieces. Uh. They people saw an explosion that
were out on the ocean in that area that at the same time that it
happened, So that's why happen. I think it exploded. But that's something
new I was never aware of, so that's very interesting. Yeah, I'm
positive that it was electronic fog that you know, after I started researching the
flight nineteen and it affected my emotions, which were exactly but they had experienced
the exact same thing I had in the same exact area, and that's why
they got all confused. And this is what I try to tell pilots,
if you got any pilots listening, If you get caught in this electronic fog,
it's it's hard to figure out whether it's attached to you or you're flying
through fog, but you're noticed it's different than normal fog. It kind of
got sparkles in it. It's fuzzy looking. So if you're in it,
you want to do is this. Don't make a lot of turns. And
this is where all of the people have cracked. Yeah, that's what may
happen. Happened to Flight nineteen. They may not have disappeared. They may
have just crashed the way out of the deep blue Atlantic, so they can't
find him. With many pilots have died when they get caught in this electronic
fog, they very they get immediately. Of course they're going to get confused,
just like I did. But fortunately for me, I didn't make any
turns, and I also had in my mind, so I used that straight
So it's good to have that compass in your mind. Go ahead, I
mean sorry, twin shopped. But it's very difficult, they said, And
I can't say usually, you know, I found that what you doing.
One thing I wanted to ask when you landed the plane you got off onto
Terra Firma, what were the first things that went through your mind? And
how did you feel? You Obviously, it's made a big impact on you
because you've you've for over fifty years, you've been researching it. So that
particular time when you first stepped down on Terra Firma after landing the plane,
what was the feat Well, as soon as I landed, you know,
I was kind of relieved that I knew there was incredible flight. Yeah,
and then I taxied to Customs to Customs, and so then I looked at
the watches and I noticed that there was like a thirty minutes or forty minutes
of time missing, and somehow I got way ahead of the normal time adn't
there. And that added to my confusion about the incredible fight I just made.
And so that that's what went through my mind, and my dad and
our business partner passenger, we're also confused with it. Uh we we we
really couldn't really uh explain it because none of us realized that space time had
everything to do with what we experienced. We had a space time warp,
and so we didn't even know it was a space time work. I didn't
know what it was, but with all my research, I figured it out.
That's that's exactly what happened, and that's what happened to Flight nineteen.
I guarantee that they may have had some space work. Also in electronic fog,
they made a bunch of turns, and that's that's what's happen to many
other pilots that have died because of the electronic fog. Like if they make
too many turns. See, after they've made say three turns, you're kind
of starting to lose track of which way is north. And then if you
make any more turns, and then you're totally lost. You have no idea
which way you're flying because your compass is spinning. And in modern times,
your electronics are going to be shut down. You know, they the screens
that they use nowadays instead of insurround instruments that they would probably just be turned
off. They'll be blank, so they won't be able to use. There
won't be many instruments they can use. If they may have some physical backup
instruments that they could use, but they're going to be so confused that what
happens to them is they end up getting spatial disorientation, end up doing a
graveyard spiral. So that's what I try to tell any pilots to be aware
of if they ever get caught in it. Don't start making a bunch of
turns. To decide what to do immediately, what you're going to do,
and as far as your direction you're going and if you're over, don't worry
about that. That's something going on. Marks and they're okay. Yes,
if the relation they should aim make one turn if it's needed, to turn
toward a main body of land, because the electronic frogs should dissipate when you
transfer from the ocean to the land, and then it just the opposite.
If they're over the land, they should turn toward the main body of ocean
and then it will detach, which it did to me where I had a
second experience with it, eletronic fog over the Everglades and I, since I
was over the landed, I turned towards the ocean then electronically dissipated from the
aircraft that was back in nineteen ninety six that I had that exception experience with
the electronic fog. And in my new book and on YouTube, I just
did a video on electronic fog. Yeah, and how it's formed. There's
like I've got three different names for it. Like the storm out in the
over the great behind the bank, I call that a circular vortex squall because
it was so large. And there were other type of storms I call them
a thunderstorm vortex tunnel or or a time storm. It would be a good
for them. And the main thing is is that the vortex tunnel has formed
within the thunderstorms, and if you fly through that tunnel, you're going to
have a space time work. And so this happens a lot in the Everglades.
And so I was able to capture a photograph back in nineteen seventy eight
and I've kept it all this time, and it's still the best photo ever
taking of how these thunderstorms with the vortex tunnel formed. And this was over
the northern part of the Everglades, and this happens a lot over the Everglades.
So I've got two photos. They're in my new book on page eighty
four and they're on the YouTube also that I just posted it on YouTube yesterday
and and so it shows that the photos show thunderstorms and they're one minute apart,
and so you can see how anvileheads form on the thunderstorms and then the
antleheads connect and a tunnel this form. And I explained it in detail on
YouTube. And then the photos are also in my book. And then I've
also got photos of radar images that I caught that are very rare, and
it shows donut shape storms out all the Everglades and in the Bahamas that are
very rare, circular shaped squalls. It was very interested in this book.
I think I'll have to get old of it. Yeah, the fact that
there's also activity down in the Everglades too. I mean you hear the Bermuda
triangle, and that was the term coined back in the day. It's technically
not really a triangle. It is an area. And I do believe the
area fluctuates, you know, where it undulates and changes shape or does whatever.
It just covers the general area down there. So if it's going to
come, you know, like the tip of Miami. But there's no reason
why it also couldn't go farther down into the Everglades. Yeah, it's definitely
in the Everglades. And then just recently, only a year ago, I
captured another timestone that formed over the southern end of the Everglades. I lived
in the Keys for twenty years and so had I had a good view of
the Everglades in Florida Bay, and I've seen a lot of these vortex tunnels
form, but this was a really good one there, and so I not
only captured it with the photographs, but I have a video of it,
and it's it's and it's really neat looking. It's because of the sun has
just set, so it's just starting to get dark, and you can see
this tunnel. It's formed in between the thunderstorms. At one point, the
tunnel it turned square, like a square shape, which is really strange,
but not strange. And some of these strange clouds, like the hexagon clouds
that scientists claim or are very dangerous, and so other people have seen these
strange things. It's just like it could be related to like some of these
uh UFOs they see there. They say they're cubes shape, they're square.
So this happens in apparently in meter out you too, But the ones over
the air blades are absolutely natural. It's and when that tunnel collapses, it
emits like a spear, a puff of the electronic clock. And that's another
thing that I just noticed on these two photos that I was telling you about,
that I may have captured the electronic fog and an actual photograph of the
electronic fog, because there were three tunnels, and in the photos it really
only shows two tunnels. But when I took the photo, the third tunnel
had just collapsed, and so you can see some strange shapes in the photos
where that that tunnel collapsed. The one is kind of like a blurry looking
cloud or something, and then the other one is more like in the line
and it's and it's dropping down toward Earth. So I'm thinking that's gotta be
the electronic flow that the same thing I experienced in the Everglades and other pilot's
all sort of experienced in the Everglade. Well, first it's a meteorological condition
in that case. Well, we are coming up on the end of the
program here. The one thing I'm just going to mention this briefly. There
was last week there was this supposed disclosure meeting for Members of Congress there where
the military and former military came out and started talking about UFOs and we have
these craft and whatnot. But there was one description you just made that sounded
very similar to what they mentioned. Is the cube. Yeah, that these
these military folk had seen a cube shaped object with what looked like something spherical
inside of it. Yeah, it sounded very similar to what you just described.
Yeah, yeah, there was. The tunnel was originally it was round,
but as these tunnels usually last three or four minutes and then they collapsed,
so when it was about to collapse maybe one minute, had maybe another
minute to go before it would collapse, it formed a square shape the tunnel
entrance. That had never seen that happen before. But I had a friend
at city flew through a square hallway once. One of my mentors actually was
flying over the Great Biot Bank right near Andrews. When he did this,
he flew in between two car storms to get under him, but the area
that was in between them was a square hallway. M hmm. You're very
interesting. Well. The book is called Bermuda Triangle Survivor Pilot tells what he
experienced in the heart of the phenomenon. And Bruce, where can people find
your book? I they can find it on Amazon, they're the ones that
published it, and it's just it's I'm really happy with it because it's you
can get it in a hardcover and it's got all color photos in it for
the first time. Of all the books I wrote that they were always black
and white. Well, this one's in color, so that's it nice.
And then on YouTube if they want to check out my channel, to go
to Bermuda Files to find my channel, or you can search electronic fob.
That's my niche, electronic thought. So hopefully it'll help me to be successful
producing these videos I need to since I have a niche that no one else
can claim. Excellent. Well, Bruce, thank you very much for coming
back onto the program and talking about this again and definitely shed some new light
onto the phenomenon. I highly recommend everybody to pick up Bruce's book, and
Bruce, thank you again for coming on. This has been a pleasure,
all right, Thanks Mark. Yeah, it's really interesting. I hope there's
any young scientists amateur scientists out there interested in meteorology and physics that we'll check
out my research because there's a lot to be discovered yet about something that I
believe will be very important for our future and for also for the present,
and it's going to save lives in the present. Once we've learned how to
harness the sanergy, then we're probably use it to time travel. That would
be nice. I'll tell you one. I'll tell you one boy, one
young boy that will be very interested in this book. And that's my grandson,
right, yeah, for young adults. Show. Yeah, this is
this is his field. This is exactly what I'm going to tell him about
your book. I might even buy it for him. Actually, yeah,
appreciate it. M hm, well, lovely talking to Bruce. Yes,
Bruce, and want to thank everybody else for tuning into another episode of the
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to come over and get you under control. You haven't seen my left hook
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