1 00:00:05,759 --> 00:00:09,160 Let's see, will are the impossible or whatever I made however improbable must be 2 00:00:09,199 --> 00:00:15,000 true. And it is not a question of the limpoper cultism. What a 3 00:00:15,080 --> 00:00:18,920 touch of mysticism is to dead? It is vampires. There's a host of 4 00:00:19,000 --> 00:00:28,280 damned souls and hellipots, thy father spirit doomed for a certain term to walk 5 00:00:28,440 --> 00:00:34,280 the night here. The old gods aren't dead, and what are the true 6 00:00:34,320 --> 00:00:41,359 god? He's dead? Can't complain. People assume the time is a strict 7 00:00:41,359 --> 00:00:45,640 progression of cause to effect that action. From a nonlinear, non subjective viewpoint, 8 00:00:45,679 --> 00:00:52,600 it's more like a big ball of wibbly wobbly timeywimi stuff. You're listening 9 00:00:52,719 --> 00:00:58,359 to Paranormal UK Radio. Hi, everybody, this is Irene Island, the 10 00:00:58,359 --> 00:01:03,960 host of the Paranormal UK Radio Show, the flagship show the Paranormal UK Radio 11 00:01:03,040 --> 00:01:17,799 Network. And say it, say it. Hi, Here I am today. 12 00:01:15,840 --> 00:01:23,480 We're nearly here. I am today with Mark Johnson. Ah, I 13 00:01:23,560 --> 00:01:26,920 still crack up after all this time, You've you've you've flubbed my name. 14 00:01:27,400 --> 00:01:32,159 We're only work in the beginning, been working together in a dozen years. 15 00:01:32,879 --> 00:01:37,560 Hey over ten, isn't it You're about twelve? Twelve? Maybe more? 16 00:01:38,040 --> 00:01:42,319 Yeah, yeah. And then and then here's here's the real irony part, 17 00:01:42,400 --> 00:01:49,000 when when this show premiers, I will actually be right there with you in 18 00:01:49,040 --> 00:01:55,000 the UK. Whoa, Now we're going to do a show from the UK. 19 00:01:55,560 --> 00:02:00,319 I think we should. Yeah, yeah, we'll do one. You 20 00:02:00,319 --> 00:02:05,280 can sit on the floor. We'll do one of our just you and I 21 00:02:05,439 --> 00:02:09,319 banters. Banter shows could count. That should be a lot of fun. 22 00:02:09,919 --> 00:02:16,439 M m yeah. But as of this recording, I'll be leaving in a 23 00:02:16,439 --> 00:02:21,960 couple of days to fly over and be there for about twelve days. So 24 00:02:23,400 --> 00:02:28,879 looking forward to it. M hmm. And on Friday. And that's what 25 00:02:28,919 --> 00:02:30,560 I was saying. The irony is you and I've worked together for so long, 26 00:02:30,639 --> 00:02:32,960 and this will be the first time we actually get to see each other 27 00:02:32,960 --> 00:02:37,840 in person. Well, I have been avoiding you, darling. Well I 28 00:02:37,960 --> 00:02:42,560 know, I know that you are you are evil that way. Oh no, 29 00:02:42,680 --> 00:02:45,800 but it gets to a point where you run out of excuses, don't 30 00:02:45,840 --> 00:02:55,680 you. True. I'm looking forward to meeting you, meeting you, seeing 31 00:02:55,759 --> 00:03:04,080 you already know you're so seeing you, that's true, that's true. Well, 32 00:03:04,159 --> 00:03:06,439 we're gonna have a lot of fun. So I'm looking forward to it, 33 00:03:06,479 --> 00:03:10,120 and I will be taking lots of pictures and even filming, and I 34 00:03:10,240 --> 00:03:13,960 might be able to put together a little documentary out of it. We'll have 35 00:03:14,000 --> 00:03:17,439 to wait and see. Yeah, we'll be singing in the rain. Well, 36 00:03:17,479 --> 00:03:22,199 I'll let you stand out soaking in the rain. I'll be undercover. 37 00:03:24,120 --> 00:03:30,240 You gotta be joking. Would you think you are the one who wants to 38 00:03:30,240 --> 00:03:38,120 stay dry? You haven't got a bomb start? Yeah, I know you'll 39 00:03:38,199 --> 00:03:46,759 yank me out there and throw you out into the mud. M hm oh 40 00:03:46,800 --> 00:03:49,240 good lord. Well, I'm looking forward to it. So it's gonna be 41 00:03:49,240 --> 00:03:53,680 a lot of fun. So let's go ahead and get going on the show. 42 00:03:53,919 --> 00:04:00,960 Here, we got a great guest or returning guest tonight, we have 43 00:04:01,199 --> 00:04:10,360 Bruce Gernon joining us now. Bruce has a new book out called Bermuda Triangle 44 00:04:10,479 --> 00:04:15,240 Survivor Pilot tells what he experienced in the heart of the phenomenon. And we 45 00:04:15,360 --> 00:04:19,000 talked with Bruce a few years ago about his experiences, and I guess he 46 00:04:19,079 --> 00:04:26,879 has some more information on what he experienced in the Bermuda Triangle. So Bruce, 47 00:04:26,920 --> 00:04:30,399 welcome back to the program. Oh, thanks Mark, thanks for having 48 00:04:30,439 --> 00:04:39,560 me. Hi Irain, Hello Sweety. Now, just so, are any 49 00:04:39,639 --> 00:04:45,839 new listeners are tuning in. Let's talk a little bit about your your background, 50 00:04:46,439 --> 00:04:48,759 what led up to the event, and then we can guess move forward 51 00:04:48,800 --> 00:04:57,199 from there on what the new book covers. Okay, yeah, did you 52 00:04:57,240 --> 00:05:00,959 hear that thunder go off? Here? When? Now that's my name? 53 00:05:02,639 --> 00:05:06,639 Please tell me there's clouds in the sky. Yeah, I guess it's just 54 00:05:06,759 --> 00:05:13,199 a coincidence. But okay, I'm into thunderstorms ever since I was born. 55 00:05:13,639 --> 00:05:17,600 My mother told me it was the largest thunderstorm she was ever in when I 56 00:05:17,680 --> 00:05:26,120 was born. Ever since then, an affinity for thunderstorms and everything related to 57 00:05:26,199 --> 00:05:30,600 them. I love thunderstorms myself. In fact, last weekend I was sitting 58 00:05:30,600 --> 00:05:33,079 down to the Jersey shore and a big one rolled in. I'm just sitting 59 00:05:33,160 --> 00:05:39,480 on my balcony watching it and filming the lightning strikes. So yeah, I'm 60 00:05:39,560 --> 00:05:45,079 right there with you, Bruce. Yeah, Well, that's what this story 61 00:05:45,920 --> 00:05:50,480 experience that I'm about to tell you. It's really all about thunderstorms. So 62 00:05:50,720 --> 00:05:56,519 how long have you been a pilot for Well, I started flying when I 63 00:05:56,600 --> 00:06:02,839 was seventeen and then got my license when I was eighteen, so it's it's 64 00:06:02,920 --> 00:06:15,399 been close to sixty years. Wow, long time or Are you still flying 65 00:06:15,439 --> 00:06:19,240 these days? No, not the more I had to retire because my little 66 00:06:19,240 --> 00:06:27,879 bit ex site M. Yeah, yeah, that'll do it. Well. 67 00:06:27,920 --> 00:06:34,800 You've had a great career with with flying and now you your experience. You 68 00:06:34,800 --> 00:06:43,160 know, it's been featured on numerous documentaries and television shows and it's probably one 69 00:06:43,160 --> 00:06:48,560 of the more interesting stories to come out of their Bermuter Triangle because you experienced 70 00:06:48,600 --> 00:06:54,160 something and actually came out of it to tell your story, where so many 71 00:06:54,199 --> 00:07:00,439 people have disappeared in the Bermutera Triangle over the last hundred years. Now what 72 00:07:00,600 --> 00:07:09,759 year did your experience and originally happened? It originally happened on December fourth, 73 00:07:11,199 --> 00:07:20,439 nineteen seventy. I've been researching it ever since. What was Bruce? Yes? 74 00:07:21,360 --> 00:07:27,199 Name me all right? First, have you have you flown through the 75 00:07:27,240 --> 00:07:31,839 Bermuda Triangle quite a few times? Yes? I was it just this once? 76 00:07:32,759 --> 00:07:38,279 M many times. I can't count them. Really. I started flying 77 00:07:38,319 --> 00:07:42,680 there, I mean I was around let's see, right after I got my 78 00:07:42,800 --> 00:07:46,680 license and uh, nineteen sixty six was the first time I flew there. 79 00:07:48,160 --> 00:07:56,639 And then I started going there with my dad on business venture, searching for 80 00:07:56,720 --> 00:08:01,879 property and we did that for five years. Would fly usually about once a 81 00:08:01,959 --> 00:08:09,639 month, we could go to a different area of the Bahamas investigate the property 82 00:08:09,560 --> 00:08:15,319 until we finally located what we wanted to develop on andrew As Island, the 83 00:08:15,480 --> 00:08:22,399 largest island. H. I see, did you did you know about the 84 00:08:22,480 --> 00:08:28,519 legend or the bmoved a triangle before before your experience? Did it frighten you 85 00:08:30,879 --> 00:08:37,399 if you did before the experience? H before your experience, did you know 86 00:08:37,480 --> 00:08:41,159 about the Bermuda Triangle, about these things disappear in ships and planes and things. 87 00:08:43,120 --> 00:08:48,000 No? No, I didn't know anything about the name anyway, and 88 00:08:48,960 --> 00:08:54,879 I didn't know that Bimity. For some reason, they called it a mysterious 89 00:08:54,039 --> 00:09:01,679 island. I went there when I was only fifteen, and H I didn't 90 00:09:01,720 --> 00:09:05,279 understand why they called it that, But now I understand why. It's it's 91 00:09:05,320 --> 00:09:13,879 like the apex of the Bermua Triangle. Yeah, apparently people disappear, some 92 00:09:13,919 --> 00:09:18,519 of the natives that were born there, they seem to disappear every now and 93 00:09:18,519 --> 00:09:24,799 then, and so they call it sterious. Some strange lots of strange things 94 00:09:24,840 --> 00:09:28,440 there. So you're saying, not only ships and planes disappear, but people 95 00:09:28,639 --> 00:09:33,799 actually on the islands have been known to banish. Yes, Yes, interesting 96 00:09:35,200 --> 00:09:39,759 I had not heard that one before. Yeah, it's it's a legendary island, 97 00:09:41,759 --> 00:09:46,240 they call it. They've been calling it mysterious islands for many decades. 98 00:09:48,080 --> 00:09:52,600 Well, I do know that divers had discovered what they called the Biminy Road 99 00:09:52,840 --> 00:09:58,639 or off the island, which looks like cut stones in the ocean floor that 100 00:09:58,720 --> 00:10:05,200 look like a road of some kind or maybe an old wall. And I 101 00:10:05,279 --> 00:10:09,840 know scientists have tried to dismiss it as being cut by ocean currents and whatnot, 102 00:10:09,879 --> 00:10:15,200 but it looks to man made to me, Yes, it does. 103 00:10:15,279 --> 00:10:22,039 It's just controversial with hardcore scientists, mainstream scientists, and they're they're always like 104 00:10:22,159 --> 00:10:26,600 that they need more data. I always need more data. I was friends 105 00:10:26,639 --> 00:10:33,679 with the person who really discovered it. His name was doctor Manson Valentine's and 106 00:10:33,840 --> 00:10:43,440 he discovered me too, and he put me in a book by his partner, 107 00:10:43,559 --> 00:10:48,519 Charles Burnett's, and that was the first time I was exposed to the 108 00:10:48,559 --> 00:10:56,080 world and in a best selling book. Yes, I read Charles Burlett's original 109 00:10:56,120 --> 00:11:01,080 book. But before back that question, did I know of anything about the 110 00:11:01,080 --> 00:11:07,399 bia Berna to triangle when I was flying all over the Bahanas it was? 111 00:11:07,799 --> 00:11:15,080 The answer was absolutely no, except I had two mentors that had flown to 112 00:11:15,200 --> 00:11:18,679 the islands a lot more than me. They were in the real estate business 113 00:11:18,720 --> 00:11:22,159 and I was I was working with them at the time, and the two 114 00:11:22,200 --> 00:11:28,200 of them once had an experience and it was near Andrew's Island too, and 115 00:11:30,679 --> 00:11:35,960 whenever they were to explain it, which was fairly often, I could tell 116 00:11:35,960 --> 00:11:39,799 there was something strange going on there because they would really get excited when they 117 00:11:39,840 --> 00:11:46,919 starting to explaining what they experienced. It was. It was a very strange 118 00:11:46,480 --> 00:11:54,159 cloud, a huge storm cloud there instantly and built up at a fantastic rate. 119 00:11:54,279 --> 00:12:01,480 And the one pilot compared to stomic bomb and he had actually seen the 120 00:12:01,559 --> 00:12:09,960 comic bomb go off over and I Hearroshima. He was the backup captain of 121 00:12:11,200 --> 00:12:18,360 the twenty nine with Jimmy Doolu was the head plane, and he dropped the 122 00:12:18,360 --> 00:12:22,200 bomb. He had a backup bomb in case Doulo's bomb didn't go off, 123 00:12:22,240 --> 00:12:26,679 and so he actually saw the bomb and he compared it to that. So 124 00:12:26,840 --> 00:12:31,919 I realized, Wow, that was there's something definitely guess unusually and actually that's 125 00:12:33,000 --> 00:12:37,679 fascinating piece of history. I never knew that there was a backup bomb plane 126 00:12:37,919 --> 00:12:43,600 following following the original plane. Yeah, I found that hard to believe too. 127 00:12:43,639 --> 00:12:46,519 I always used to think he was just just bragging and got a little 128 00:12:46,519 --> 00:12:52,480 carried away with his bragging because he used to claiming, well, he's been 129 00:12:52,600 --> 00:12:56,600 in the eye of a hurricane and was the backup bomber for Jimmy Dooler. 130 00:12:56,440 --> 00:13:03,559 But then I'd read an arcticle once did say that he was to back up 131 00:13:03,279 --> 00:13:16,120 Obamba. Interesting, very interesting. So in nineteen seventy, what was your 132 00:13:16,360 --> 00:13:20,639 flight plan for the day. What were you Were you out just for pleasure 133 00:13:20,679 --> 00:13:28,320 flying? Were you conducting business of some kind? We were conducting business. 134 00:13:28,399 --> 00:13:37,320 We had spent the day there on Thursday coordinating development of an island there just 135 00:13:37,039 --> 00:13:43,759 right off shore of Andros Island and working with the English Parliament that owned the 136 00:13:43,879 --> 00:13:50,159 land there. And we had planned on leaving first thing in the morning, 137 00:13:50,200 --> 00:13:56,879 but on Friday that there were heavy storms all over the island of Andros, 138 00:13:56,879 --> 00:14:03,200 so we had a hold off until three pm is when we were able to 139 00:14:03,200 --> 00:14:09,720 depart the island and head back the Pambich International was the plan, and I 140 00:14:09,759 --> 00:14:16,240 had done that probably a dozen times or so. The exact flight path that 141 00:14:16,320 --> 00:14:20,720 I had flown in the Bahamas for oh, probably the four hundred hours, 142 00:14:22,840 --> 00:14:28,840 maybe a hundred different times at the time. Then I was the pilot in 143 00:14:28,879 --> 00:14:31,039 command. I did it, was also a pilot, but he was chief 144 00:14:31,720 --> 00:14:37,159 navigator. I was a pretty good pilot, so they let me be the 145 00:14:37,159 --> 00:14:46,720 pilot in command. So was it on the way back from the island that 146 00:14:46,759 --> 00:14:50,720 you had your experience? Right? He was on the way back from Andros 147 00:14:54,440 --> 00:14:58,559 when we reached the Great Bahama Bank. This is where it took place. 148 00:15:00,879 --> 00:15:05,799 M hmm. That's a very areas. It's one of the largest shallow banks 149 00:15:07,919 --> 00:15:13,519 in all of the Caribbean. It's the lines between Andros and Bim and the 150 00:15:13,559 --> 00:15:24,320 island, and it's a usually an average of ten feet deep. And wow, 151 00:15:26,039 --> 00:15:31,879 what did this experience feel like? M hmm? What did I think 152 00:15:33,639 --> 00:15:37,720 about? What did they what? You know, what did the experience actually 153 00:15:37,799 --> 00:15:48,200 feel like? Physically? Yeah, physically am mentally, We're like, there 154 00:15:48,200 --> 00:15:56,120 are a couple of physical things that were unusual. When I first saw the 155 00:15:56,159 --> 00:16:00,840 beginning the birth of this storm, it was like a lenticular cloud that was 156 00:16:02,279 --> 00:16:06,639 hovering five hundred feet a book excuse me, above the ocean, and it 157 00:16:06,759 --> 00:16:11,840 was just motionless. But there wasn't any wind, so that wasn't unusual, 158 00:16:11,879 --> 00:16:15,440 but the cloud looked very unusual. They had very smooth edges, and these 159 00:16:15,480 --> 00:16:22,320 clouds so usually only formed high altitude twenty thousand feet are higher. But looked 160 00:16:22,639 --> 00:16:27,279 harmless, and it was right in my flight path, so I just flew 161 00:16:27,320 --> 00:16:33,600 over it and then all of a sudden it spread out. And then while 162 00:16:33,600 --> 00:16:36,480 I'm climbing up at a thousand feet per minute, when I got to about 163 00:16:36,480 --> 00:16:42,320 three thousand feet, yeah, they'd reached me underneath me, caught up to 164 00:16:42,360 --> 00:16:49,879 me, and I'm climbing at one hundred and five miles an hour going forward, 165 00:16:49,960 --> 00:16:59,120 and at the time I didn't realize it not only reached me at the 166 00:17:00,159 --> 00:17:06,319 vertical speed, reached me at the horizontal speed. So it was spreading out 167 00:17:06,599 --> 00:17:10,519 over one thousand feet a minute going up, and it was spreading it way 168 00:17:10,599 --> 00:17:14,640 over one hundred and five miles an hour. That's how fast I was going. 169 00:17:15,640 --> 00:17:17,799 And then when it caught up to me, I went inside of it, 170 00:17:18,119 --> 00:17:23,440 and it was low visibility, but yeah, it gave me a boost 171 00:17:23,480 --> 00:17:29,160 when I went inside it. So that was the first physical feeling that I 172 00:17:29,279 --> 00:17:36,319 got energy. Yeah, I could burst of energy. Yeah, So it 173 00:17:36,480 --> 00:17:41,559 was of course I'm climbing at a thousand feet a minute, so it maybe 174 00:17:41,599 --> 00:17:45,319 gets climbing a two thousand feet a minute. I'm not sure. Ya go 175 00:17:45,480 --> 00:17:48,119 inside it. And then since I'm climbing now, I'm climbing with it. 176 00:17:48,200 --> 00:17:52,359 So i'd get above it, I'd pop out of it, and I only 177 00:17:52,559 --> 00:17:56,039 get maybe a couple hundred feet above it, and then it catch right up 178 00:17:56,079 --> 00:18:00,839 to me again and I go back in it. So let's got away from 179 00:18:00,839 --> 00:18:04,039 it. It was it was like it was trying to envelope you, as 180 00:18:04,079 --> 00:18:08,880 if it was trying to catch you. Yeah. We started to get a 181 00:18:08,880 --> 00:18:14,799 little nervous when we got to both ten thousand, because we were planning on 182 00:18:15,000 --> 00:18:21,920 leveling off at that required altitude and it was we were still inside it. 183 00:18:22,680 --> 00:18:27,599 My dad suggested that we turned around and go back with him. I decided 184 00:18:27,680 --> 00:18:30,960 not to do that, not yet anyway, because it would have been worse 185 00:18:32,279 --> 00:18:37,319 situation trying to go back into this strange cloud. Yeah. So when we 186 00:18:37,359 --> 00:18:41,599 got to eleven thousand, five hundred, we popped out of it, and 187 00:18:41,680 --> 00:18:48,000 I was in care of the sky again, and when I looked around me, 188 00:18:48,519 --> 00:18:52,319 behind me, I was an ace that this little cloud had spread out 189 00:18:52,279 --> 00:18:56,680 all around me, behind me, and they had built up to over thirty 190 00:18:56,680 --> 00:19:02,680 thousand feet. Yeah, and it had a strange form to it. It 191 00:19:02,720 --> 00:19:07,359 was it was like perfectly symmetrical. As far as I could see behind me, 192 00:19:07,440 --> 00:19:12,480 it was like a horseshoe shape. And uh so I leveled off and 193 00:19:12,519 --> 00:19:21,079 started cruising two hundred miles an hour, forgot about what I had just experienced, 194 00:19:21,200 --> 00:19:27,079 you know, concentrated on flying the airplane, and then pony, like 195 00:19:27,359 --> 00:19:34,039 five minutes later, I'm looking forward and I see a huge storm in front 196 00:19:34,079 --> 00:19:40,200 of me, and it was like built up to like over forty thousand feet, 197 00:19:40,640 --> 00:19:45,200 you know, and it had that strange, perfect symmetric with curved to 198 00:19:45,359 --> 00:19:49,200 it on each side in front of me as far as I could see. 199 00:19:49,880 --> 00:19:56,240 Another strange thing about it was I thought I figured I was going to fly 200 00:19:56,400 --> 00:20:00,559 under it, and but I couldn't do that because it was and right on 201 00:20:00,599 --> 00:20:07,200 the surface of the ocean. Mhm. When you went through you said that 202 00:20:07,240 --> 00:20:10,759 you had poll pol vision. Were you able to see anything at all, 203 00:20:11,440 --> 00:20:18,960 pick anything out, oatland or anything? Once I entered it, Yeah, 204 00:20:18,000 --> 00:20:22,519 and it was it was this time, it was you know, like forty 205 00:20:22,519 --> 00:20:26,960 thousand feet high. Yeah. Aim on a flight plant direct to dimonate. 206 00:20:27,079 --> 00:20:33,160 So I stayed on my flight plant path and went inside the storm. And 207 00:20:34,119 --> 00:20:40,559 that's this time it was more clear. I could see at least a couple 208 00:20:40,599 --> 00:20:45,079 of miles because I could see the ocean, and yeah, there wasn't any 209 00:20:45,359 --> 00:20:55,319 rain precipitation, and so I went in the deeper I got. The worse 210 00:20:55,400 --> 00:20:59,680 it got. I went in there, over two miles in it, and 211 00:21:00,079 --> 00:21:07,079 that's when the lightning flashes started go on, really powerful flashes, and got 212 00:21:07,119 --> 00:21:11,440 to the point where I couldn't see anything when there were no flashes because it 213 00:21:11,480 --> 00:21:15,640 was so dark, and in the flash I could see the ocean glow very 214 00:21:15,680 --> 00:21:22,839 clearly. Yeah, it got really intense with electricity. So I decided to 215 00:21:22,880 --> 00:21:29,319 turn around and fly out of it. Brus. When you see films on 216 00:21:29,359 --> 00:21:34,119 the television about the Bermuda Triangle and things like, very similar, there's always 217 00:21:34,160 --> 00:21:45,640 this uh, not evil but how would you put it? Hil not scary? 218 00:21:45,440 --> 00:21:53,240 M really well, can you help me? Do you know? Do 219 00:21:53,240 --> 00:21:56,839 you know what I mean? I'm not sure where you're going with that unless 220 00:21:56,839 --> 00:22:03,039 you're talking about like a heavy feeling or that quite negative, but that paranormal 221 00:22:03,400 --> 00:22:08,319 feeling that something is really going to happen. Something's going to come out of 222 00:22:08,319 --> 00:22:18,079 it or whatever. Yeah, something paranormal people, some people seek this something 223 00:22:18,119 --> 00:22:23,440 paranord what's going on here? Did you feel that did you get that feeling 224 00:22:23,519 --> 00:22:30,319 of maybe that this thing was had a mind of its own or anything. 225 00:22:30,079 --> 00:22:33,839 Yeah, that's the question that a lot of people used to tell me. 226 00:22:36,319 --> 00:22:45,039 We thought he had a mind even recently working. Did you Yeah, did 227 00:22:45,079 --> 00:22:49,000 you feel that it had its own own intelligence or anything, that it was 228 00:22:49,160 --> 00:22:53,440 after you, who was trying to get you? But I tell you what, 229 00:22:53,480 --> 00:22:57,599 I'm amazed that you manage when you got out of it to pull yourself 230 00:22:57,640 --> 00:23:04,400 together and fly the plane. Put everything behind you and just concentrate on flying 231 00:23:04,480 --> 00:23:11,000 that plane. I think I would have been an absolute piece. It's well, 232 00:23:11,079 --> 00:23:15,480 it's if it's obviously you have to have done your crash. If it's 233 00:23:15,559 --> 00:23:23,880 paranormal, them hmm, UFOs and aliens might have something to do with it, 234 00:23:26,400 --> 00:23:33,400 because when I look back at what I experience, it's it's almost like 235 00:23:33,440 --> 00:23:47,240 I always guided by smity because the timing was precise. It was just almost 236 00:23:47,240 --> 00:23:53,160 too perfect. If I had made a wrong turn or thrown a little faster, 237 00:23:53,319 --> 00:24:00,839 a little slower, it may have got cost and sided things things would 238 00:24:00,839 --> 00:24:10,319 have been different, absolutely perfect. Yeah, that there was this shape like 239 00:24:10,799 --> 00:24:14,599 a doughnut and I was caught in the middle of it. You know that 240 00:24:14,839 --> 00:24:22,960 I found the escape group through a tunnel, and isn't it it's not a 241 00:24:23,160 --> 00:24:27,680 poltal? Yeah, it was kind of we could call it a portal. 242 00:24:27,799 --> 00:24:33,359 And uh, when I reached the other end, it was it closed right 243 00:24:33,519 --> 00:24:37,920 behind me. It was getting smaller and smaller as I went through it. 244 00:24:37,960 --> 00:24:44,559 And so here the timing again was incredible. I was able to reach the 245 00:24:44,559 --> 00:24:48,160 other end right when it was closing. Yeah. And then and then when 246 00:24:48,160 --> 00:24:56,039 it closed it I felt this incredible physical feeling that you were asking me about 247 00:24:56,079 --> 00:25:00,400 it. So that's a feeling I'll never forget because I've only felt at once 248 00:25:00,480 --> 00:25:08,599 and and it felt like zero gravity combined with the feeling of hydroplaning going forward. 249 00:25:11,039 --> 00:25:18,160 So those two feelings were combined for about ten seconds and that's when this 250 00:25:18,880 --> 00:25:26,039 electronic fog I call it, attached itself to the aircraft. And I just 251 00:25:26,079 --> 00:25:30,079 thought it was some kind of a fog. Yeah, but it wasn't a 252 00:25:30,160 --> 00:25:36,079 normal fog, and it took me thirty years to figure out that it was. 253 00:25:37,680 --> 00:25:42,119 I think it's absolutely amazing which can. Honest, I thank you that 254 00:25:42,319 --> 00:25:48,960 you actually survived, you know, I'm yeah, did you want sorry? 255 00:25:48,519 --> 00:25:55,440 Yeah? Come on, well we get as ciphers. Oh well, it's 256 00:25:55,599 --> 00:25:59,960 yeah. It's almost like fate that I survived this, for sure, because 257 00:26:00,240 --> 00:26:06,319 like I was telling me all the timing how it worked out. And so 258 00:26:06,400 --> 00:26:11,799 when I got into this electronic fog, yeah, I was heading on a 259 00:26:11,880 --> 00:26:21,680 course that would take me towards Miami, and I was so confused as to 260 00:26:21,799 --> 00:26:26,640 what to do. I figured out just keep going straight and not make any 261 00:26:26,680 --> 00:26:33,119 turns. And I was able to contact Miami radio and they couldn't identify me 262 00:26:33,160 --> 00:26:37,160 on radar, and they said there were no storms out there in the Bahamas, 263 00:26:37,079 --> 00:26:51,559 they said, they said it was clear. Yeah, questions feel what's 264 00:26:51,599 --> 00:26:59,319 that? I'm you know, I was just wondering the when you were in 265 00:26:59,440 --> 00:27:07,559 the in these in these phenomenon that if did you experience any type of instrumentation 266 00:27:07,720 --> 00:27:14,240 failure? Oh? Yes, as soon as I was in the fog or 267 00:27:14,279 --> 00:27:17,519 maybe inside the tunnel, So I never looked at the instruments when I was 268 00:27:17,559 --> 00:27:22,720 inside the tunnel, and as soon as I got out in the fog, 269 00:27:22,759 --> 00:27:29,599 I checked them out and they weren't working. It properly, so I couldn't 270 00:27:30,079 --> 00:27:37,680 figure out my exact position with the instruments. But according to time, which 271 00:27:37,000 --> 00:27:44,559 we monitored very carefully back then, because we didn't have these GPS instruments that 272 00:27:44,680 --> 00:27:48,920 they do today, and so according to time, we should should have been 273 00:27:48,960 --> 00:27:55,240 about ninety miles east of Miami after I got out of the tunnel. I 274 00:27:55,279 --> 00:28:00,880 was one hundred miles east of Miami when I entered the tunnel, and my 275 00:28:00,960 --> 00:28:08,039 instruments couldn't verify that. And then even my magnetic compass was slowly spinning NonStop 276 00:28:08,759 --> 00:28:18,920 counterclockys, and so they radar controllers knew there's something wrong, something mob going 277 00:28:18,000 --> 00:28:22,680 on. I couldn't figure out where I was, and that happens to be 278 00:28:22,759 --> 00:28:29,839 in the same exact spot that I called. The radar controller that the famous 279 00:28:29,880 --> 00:28:37,440 flight nineteen that got lost also contacted their basse, the Navy Bass, and 280 00:28:38,160 --> 00:28:42,200 told them they weren't sure of their position, the same thing I told them. 281 00:28:42,200 --> 00:28:45,759 And they said their instruments weren't working properly, the same thing I'd had. 282 00:28:47,839 --> 00:28:51,240 And they said that everything looks strange, the same thing as me. 283 00:28:51,440 --> 00:28:56,680 That's why I couldn't identify where I was, because I'm flying inside this fog, 284 00:28:56,720 --> 00:29:02,160 and I thought, I thought, I'm flying through five. So it's 285 00:29:02,240 --> 00:29:07,160 kind of like flying inside a milk bottle. A famous author once you when 286 00:29:07,240 --> 00:29:15,960 he was in it, Martin Cayden, a famous aviator. And so I 287 00:29:15,000 --> 00:29:22,759 was in it for like three minutes when all of a sudden, it electronically 288 00:29:23,319 --> 00:29:30,519 dissipated, and by that I mean it it detached itself from the aircraft. 289 00:29:32,799 --> 00:29:38,119 And it took about ten seconds for about to happen where all these first, 290 00:29:38,160 --> 00:29:44,039 all these lines formed our parallel to our direction of flight. I thought the 291 00:29:44,079 --> 00:29:48,200 lines were miles long, but later I realized that when I came up with 292 00:29:48,279 --> 00:29:52,039 the theory of how it attaches to you, that I realized that that those 293 00:29:52,079 --> 00:29:57,039 lines were living on a few hundred yards long, and they got wider and 294 00:29:57,119 --> 00:30:03,519 wider, and I could see the blue sky through the cracks, and then 295 00:30:03,039 --> 00:30:11,920 within ten seconds it was care there and good visibility everywhere. But I looked 296 00:30:11,960 --> 00:30:15,599 behind me, and I'm expecting to see this big thought bank, and yet 297 00:30:15,680 --> 00:30:19,359 it was perfectly clear behind me. I didn't understand how that could be. 298 00:30:22,240 --> 00:30:26,519 And then the radar controller came back and identified this rid over Miami Beach. 299 00:30:27,400 --> 00:30:34,599 Ye, so that was good news. And from there I went to probably 300 00:30:36,119 --> 00:30:47,960 International. But weren't you also much It's like you had jumped forward many miles 301 00:30:47,960 --> 00:30:52,839 like you were when you came out of the fog. You still still should 302 00:30:52,880 --> 00:30:55,799 have been about ninety miles off the coast, but you were right off the 303 00:30:55,799 --> 00:31:00,519 coast instead. Well, that's right. Yeah, on the our controller told 304 00:31:00,599 --> 00:31:06,079 us we were over Miami Beach. I looked at the time on my watching 305 00:31:06,160 --> 00:31:10,839 it. I told him, no, he's wrong. I told him we're 306 00:31:10,880 --> 00:31:18,880 probably about eighty five miles east of Miami. Yeah, and then I realized 307 00:31:18,880 --> 00:31:27,880 that, yeah, it was Miami Beach. So I traveled from when I 308 00:31:29,000 --> 00:31:37,880 entered the tunnel one hundred miles from Miami. I traveled to Miami in only 309 00:31:37,960 --> 00:31:42,119 three minutes. In twenty seconds. Wow, So that would mean to have 310 00:31:42,240 --> 00:31:48,279 to be going close to two things. Yeah, two thousand thousand an hour 311 00:31:52,519 --> 00:32:00,279 and you were flying Assessna beachcraft Bananza beachcraft. Okay, yeah, definitely won't 312 00:32:00,319 --> 00:32:07,759 go that fast. So you have this experience, and of course it's been 313 00:32:07,799 --> 00:32:17,160 documented and talked about for the last few decades. Now you've had all this 314 00:32:17,319 --> 00:32:21,640 time to think about it. You've written a couple of books about it. 315 00:32:21,720 --> 00:32:29,599 But now you have the new book Bermuda Triangle Survivor, and you indicate that 316 00:32:29,640 --> 00:32:34,279 you've come to some different Your research has been ongoing and now you have some 317 00:32:34,440 --> 00:32:40,359 different ideas or theories about what you may have experienced. Yes, and I 318 00:32:40,599 --> 00:32:45,279 was coming up with new theories. I mean not every day, but I've 319 00:32:45,279 --> 00:32:52,119 been researching this for fifty three years, so maybe every few years or so 320 00:32:52,240 --> 00:33:01,160 I come up with something. Yeah. But one of the things that scientists 321 00:33:01,920 --> 00:33:07,880 David Paris that I worked with, Professor David Paris. He came up with 322 00:33:08,039 --> 00:33:13,799 the theory that he developed along with me while we were trying to figure out 323 00:33:13,799 --> 00:33:19,759 how this happened, and at first I I couldn't find what he said. 324 00:33:19,839 --> 00:33:25,160 This was a few years ago. He thought that while I was in the 325 00:33:25,240 --> 00:33:30,680 tunnel, well that's when space time started changing. But I knew that. 326 00:33:31,960 --> 00:33:40,960 But he thinks that when I came out of that tunnel, I was ten 327 00:33:40,960 --> 00:33:46,640 miles off shore of my inn, and then it took me three minutes, 328 00:33:46,680 --> 00:33:51,720 which would be bright and according to what the speed I was going to reach 329 00:33:51,799 --> 00:33:55,079 my inn. So that's a total of three minutes of twenty seconds. So 330 00:33:55,119 --> 00:33:58,680 in other words, he's saying, when I came out of that tunnel. 331 00:34:00,559 --> 00:34:10,480 I traveled like eighty miles in time in less than a second, So you 332 00:34:10,599 --> 00:34:16,039 sort of traveled forward in till him then time in space. Yeah. So 333 00:34:16,320 --> 00:34:21,719 if you thought that in miles an hour, it would be hundreds of thousands 334 00:34:21,800 --> 00:34:27,039 of miles an hour. It was. Yeah, it was instant. And 335 00:34:27,079 --> 00:34:35,119 that's when I felt that zero gravity combined with hydroplaning. Hmm. So he 336 00:34:35,239 --> 00:34:38,400 might be right. I mean, he's he's been researching this now. I've 337 00:34:38,400 --> 00:34:44,679 been working with him for over ten years and now he's from the University of 338 00:34:44,760 --> 00:34:51,920 Nebraska, and now he's developed the whole team from some other scientists that are 339 00:34:52,000 --> 00:34:58,400 from his university that he teaches. And what he's done is he's uh, 340 00:34:59,239 --> 00:35:10,400 in his laboratory, he has replicated what I experienced the microscopper elements. In 341 00:35:10,480 --> 00:35:16,360 other words, he is able to transport an element to say, a distance 342 00:35:16,440 --> 00:35:22,960 of only a few feet. Yeah, but instantly it travels that distance. 343 00:35:24,320 --> 00:35:28,480 You can't even I just you can't even measure how fast it got there, 344 00:35:28,639 --> 00:35:35,480 just goes from one spot to the other instantly. And he's he's trying to 345 00:35:35,519 --> 00:35:43,719 get he's got a patent patent on it now and he's trying to get some 346 00:35:43,760 --> 00:35:47,119 more government funding to help him to develop what he calls it a warp drive, 347 00:35:50,559 --> 00:35:59,840 so he could be right, and that's apropos I think, you know 348 00:35:59,840 --> 00:36:02,559 what, it fascinates me with your experience and a lot of other people who 349 00:36:02,599 --> 00:36:09,360 have had these experiences in that area, there are a lot of other locations 350 00:36:09,400 --> 00:36:20,480 around the world exhibiting similar strange phenomenon. I liken what you're going through when 351 00:36:20,480 --> 00:36:29,119 we talk about portals sounds appropriate some kind of space time rift. The description 352 00:36:29,280 --> 00:36:37,760 of like the symmetrical shape that you saw is very similar to what they've described 353 00:36:38,679 --> 00:36:45,360 out on the Skinwalker ranch out in Utah. They're doing their ongoing research out 354 00:36:45,360 --> 00:36:52,199 there on that television show, and you know they've been talking about for years 355 00:36:52,239 --> 00:36:59,239 of seeing these portals open either up in the sky and then it'll be dusk 356 00:36:59,519 --> 00:37:02,519 and the portal opens. You can see bright sunshine and blue sky behind it 357 00:37:02,559 --> 00:37:07,000 as a craft flies through, and then it closes up. Other times a 358 00:37:07,079 --> 00:37:13,400 portal opens up and some humanoid creature crawls through, it jumps out and runs 359 00:37:13,440 --> 00:37:19,639 into the nearby woods. There's also all the stories when you mentioned the people 360 00:37:19,719 --> 00:37:25,800 disappearing. You know, David Polites with his books on missing people in the 361 00:37:25,920 --> 00:37:32,239 National Parks, just like I was telling M exactly. That's what That's what 362 00:37:32,360 --> 00:37:37,760 came to mind, is something happens, something opens up, and a person 363 00:37:38,039 --> 00:37:44,320 is there one minute and the next minute they're gone. And I do believe 364 00:37:44,400 --> 00:37:51,679 it's some kind of interdimensional type of phenomenon. Yeah, yeah, the Skinwalker 365 00:37:51,760 --> 00:37:55,320 Ratches. That's going to be on I think tonight, And yeah tonight, 366 00:37:55,440 --> 00:38:00,599 tonight's the finale. Who as we're recording this, Yes, it's pretty good. 367 00:38:00,679 --> 00:38:06,320 Apparently they're going to announce that they may have discovered the portal and they're 368 00:38:06,320 --> 00:38:09,840 getting offer close to it. So the thing that I flew through up in 369 00:38:09,840 --> 00:38:16,280 the air has appeared to be another kind of portal. And something I recently 370 00:38:17,480 --> 00:38:24,320 discovered has to do with the theory of relativity equals MC squared. It's called 371 00:38:24,480 --> 00:38:35,480 length contraction. It's one of part of Einstein's theories on length contraction, and 372 00:38:35,480 --> 00:38:42,960 what he says that how this works is that when a body approaches the speed 373 00:38:43,000 --> 00:38:52,039 of light, in my case, the tunnel would appear to contract. And 374 00:38:52,239 --> 00:38:59,079 that's what happened. When I entered this thing. I thought it was about 375 00:38:59,079 --> 00:39:02,840 ten or twelve miles long, and I was only in it for twenty seconds, 376 00:39:02,840 --> 00:39:07,559 So somehow it contracted when I entered it, and so and then he 377 00:39:07,599 --> 00:39:15,199 says that the exit would be much shorter in time because of this length contraction. 378 00:39:15,280 --> 00:39:17,840 And that's what happened, and instead of they'd take it should have taken 379 00:39:17,880 --> 00:39:22,800 me three minutes to go through that tunnel, but it didn't. It contracted, 380 00:39:22,840 --> 00:39:28,559 and then I was only in it for twenty seconds. And then another 381 00:39:28,599 --> 00:39:36,719 thing to this theory is that if you go by why this is happening, 382 00:39:36,760 --> 00:39:39,800 if whatever you're going by it, like if his case is outer space, 383 00:39:39,880 --> 00:39:45,880 and there would be like planets or stars that he'd be going by it the 384 00:39:45,920 --> 00:39:53,559 speed of light, but they would appear to rotate around whatever body, in 385 00:39:53,639 --> 00:39:59,400 my case, airplane you are in. And that's another thing that happened. 386 00:39:59,440 --> 00:40:06,679 As soon as the airplane entered the tunnel, all these little clouds, and 387 00:40:06,719 --> 00:40:14,760 I believe my new thoughts are that the tunnel was like perfectly round, The 388 00:40:14,800 --> 00:40:20,239 walls of the tunnel were perfectly round. But then there were other clouds scattered 389 00:40:21,159 --> 00:40:24,440 all around in the tunnel. And so what happened when the body of the 390 00:40:24,480 --> 00:40:32,360 airplane entered the tunnel, All these little clouds started rotating and they formed like 391 00:40:32,440 --> 00:40:42,480 a line in front of me as I went through the tunnel. So it's 392 00:40:42,480 --> 00:40:46,599 exactly what happens in length contraction. Of course he's talking about the speed of 393 00:40:46,719 --> 00:40:52,199 light. I didn't have any feelings like I was going to speed of light 394 00:40:52,599 --> 00:41:01,360 until the the gravity and hydroplane fielding came So it's still don't explainable, but 395 00:41:01,440 --> 00:41:10,000 it's there's a correlation without a doubt with the length contraction theory from this theory 396 00:41:10,159 --> 00:41:16,199 of relativity. Well, it's what they also refer to as an Einstein rosenbridge, 397 00:41:16,360 --> 00:41:21,840 which and like what they're going to talk about on Skinwalker Rant is basically 398 00:41:22,079 --> 00:41:28,400 the called a wormhole, and wormholes have been very much used in science fiction 399 00:41:28,639 --> 00:41:35,239 for the last few decades as a quick way of traversing across the universe without 400 00:41:36,159 --> 00:41:40,639 being dragged down by going the speed of light. And yet now it seems 401 00:41:40,679 --> 00:41:46,280 like to be a very real phenomenon. And you know the fog that you 402 00:41:46,519 --> 00:41:57,239 encountered. It reminds me of another another incident which is infamously known as the 403 00:41:57,280 --> 00:42:02,199 Philadelphia experiment, and when they back in the forties, when they were using 404 00:42:04,519 --> 00:42:10,760 these high generators on the USS Eldridge to try to basically make the ship invisible 405 00:42:10,800 --> 00:42:21,239 to radar, and from what I understood that they were using TESLA technology that 406 00:42:22,599 --> 00:42:29,840 they created with the mass massive electromagnetic field. They created one of these wormholes 407 00:42:30,559 --> 00:42:37,320 and the Eldridge disappeared out of the Philadelphia Harbor and supposedly reappeared where I think 408 00:42:37,440 --> 00:42:44,559 was up near Boston and then came back. But people who were on the 409 00:42:44,599 --> 00:42:50,440 ship described the fact that they couldn't see anything, that the ship was surrounded 410 00:42:50,519 --> 00:42:58,480 by this thick, weird fog which sounds almost like the electric fog that you 411 00:42:58,639 --> 00:43:02,920 described around on your aircraft. Yeah, if they actually did that, yeah, 412 00:43:04,119 --> 00:43:07,800 they're not trying to fog would definitely be involved or something like that that. 413 00:43:07,000 --> 00:43:10,960 Do you know if somebody died during that happened or disappeared, Well, 414 00:43:10,960 --> 00:43:17,000 first of all, there's only rumors, and because you know, the government 415 00:43:17,039 --> 00:43:24,440 doesn't ever acknowledge that this event ever happened, people have come forward saying that 416 00:43:24,519 --> 00:43:36,000 they were involved with the project. One of the famous descriptions was that supposedly 417 00:43:37,199 --> 00:43:44,239 it made some crew members actually get fused into the metal deck, like it 418 00:43:44,320 --> 00:43:52,480 made the ship itself liable or almost non material, to the point where when 419 00:43:52,480 --> 00:43:57,960 the ship materialized, the people materialized half in the deck, so that had 420 00:43:58,000 --> 00:44:01,679 to had to kill those people, so that the government was really responsible for 421 00:44:01,800 --> 00:44:09,719 he were buying. So I mentioned to the well known doctor Valentine was a 422 00:44:09,800 --> 00:44:17,159 researcher back then, and he was good friends with the chief of that that 423 00:44:19,760 --> 00:44:23,960 event that you were talking about after it get his name. He was another 424 00:44:24,039 --> 00:44:30,559 doctor, a good friend of doctor Valentine's, and he helped make the mainly 425 00:44:30,639 --> 00:44:35,239 design. The whole thing was really his. He was the chief scientist. 426 00:44:35,320 --> 00:44:40,239 And so after that happened, he started talking about it, and doctor Valentine 427 00:44:40,280 --> 00:44:45,039 he used to get really upset when he told me about this. He uh, 428 00:44:45,000 --> 00:44:52,199 he said that they murdered him, the government murdered and that they called 429 00:44:52,199 --> 00:44:57,440 it a suicide. That he Valentine was positive that it was the government that 430 00:44:57,400 --> 00:45:01,239 the murdered him. So, yeah, the government, I suppose they could 431 00:45:01,239 --> 00:45:07,360 do something back like that, especially back then. Yeah, and they still 432 00:45:07,400 --> 00:45:13,119 do in my opinion. You know, we have no proof of anything like 433 00:45:13,159 --> 00:45:21,800 that, but yeah, yeah, very very in there's so much, so 434 00:45:21,880 --> 00:45:27,280 many projects that have been involved, I mean and in and around the Bermuda 435 00:45:27,400 --> 00:45:34,159 Triangle. There are other quote unquote triangles around the world. Where mysterious things 436 00:45:34,239 --> 00:45:39,840 happen. Our guests last week. Mike Rickenseckor has written a book about what 437 00:45:39,920 --> 00:45:45,719 they call the Alaskan Triangle, which is a whole section of Alaska where all 438 00:45:45,760 --> 00:45:52,559 these weird type of phenomenon happen. People have seen UFOs, people have experienced 439 00:45:52,599 --> 00:45:59,360 time slips just these areas around the planet, not just in the Atlantic off 440 00:45:59,400 --> 00:46:05,840 of between the Bahamas in Bermuda, but other locations that just seemed to have 441 00:46:06,119 --> 00:46:15,920 this high electromagnetic energy that causes definite distortions and space time possible doorways to other 442 00:46:16,000 --> 00:46:27,639 dimensions Flight nineteen. Didn't they eventually find those aircraft on the bottom of the 443 00:46:27,679 --> 00:46:32,320 ocean within the last twenty years. No, but they thought they didn't. 444 00:46:32,320 --> 00:46:37,960 They even announced it, and there was the whole world was getting excited about 445 00:46:37,960 --> 00:46:46,239 it. They found five of the Navy Avenger bombers only a few miles offshore 446 00:46:46,320 --> 00:46:53,599 of Fort Lauderdale. And we're all together, like they were supposedly in nineteen 447 00:46:53,679 --> 00:46:59,280 forty five. They all ditched together, and that limits were all together. 448 00:47:00,480 --> 00:47:04,159 And then it so it took uh, I don't know, maybe quite a 449 00:47:04,199 --> 00:47:10,480 few months to identify them. They have to find the IDs number of the 450 00:47:10,559 --> 00:47:15,039 number of serial numbers on and then they found them, and then they found 451 00:47:15,079 --> 00:47:21,360 that they were not It's like nineteen almost teen. They ended up in the 452 00:47:21,400 --> 00:47:27,199 Deep Atlantic part of the sarcass Oc, very deep and unexplored areas there. 453 00:47:28,400 --> 00:47:37,800 So define five PUB five bombers like that, it almost sounds like a plant 454 00:47:39,119 --> 00:47:45,320 because otherwise you would have heard of five more missing bombers, and you never 455 00:47:45,360 --> 00:47:49,599 heard of that, so it almost sounds like nothing. We've done a show 456 00:47:49,639 --> 00:47:55,199 on that few years, but no, we might have the afar at the 457 00:47:55,239 --> 00:48:00,239 same time. Yeah, yeah, that was famous back in nineteen forty five, 458 00:48:00,360 --> 00:48:01,480 right at the end of World War Two, and they went through the 459 00:48:01,559 --> 00:48:09,760 Ramuda Triangle and they vanished. In fact, one of the last communications with 460 00:48:09,880 --> 00:48:16,400 the commander of that mission was first saying they were off course, they didn't 461 00:48:16,400 --> 00:48:22,880 know where they were, and then very disoriented, and then they said, 462 00:48:23,599 --> 00:48:28,400 don't come after us. They look like they they're from outer space. Don't 463 00:48:28,400 --> 00:48:35,960 come after us hand raid. Those operators picked up a lot of comments that 464 00:48:37,000 --> 00:48:42,159 are similar to what you just said. Then the Navy won't admit to them. 465 00:48:42,199 --> 00:48:47,440 They don't know that once that they made. So there's no nothing, 466 00:48:47,760 --> 00:48:53,159 nothing real. We're going on except that they did tell them that their instruments 467 00:48:53,199 --> 00:48:59,440 are not working properly and the compass was off well, and then they sent 468 00:48:59,519 --> 00:49:05,440 out the pby to go look for them and it vanished too. Yeah, 469 00:49:05,679 --> 00:49:10,679 that may have exploded, though why would it. Let me ask you this, 470 00:49:10,719 --> 00:49:15,599 I mean, I'm asking just because contenu its curious. Why would an 471 00:49:15,599 --> 00:49:20,800 aircraft like that explode. Well, they used to call it the flying gas 472 00:49:20,800 --> 00:49:23,800 tank. It held a lot of fuel. They could they could travel all 473 00:49:23,840 --> 00:49:30,000 around the world. Yeah, a big It was able to land on the 474 00:49:30,079 --> 00:49:37,000 ocean, uh waters, no problem, even in six eight foot seas it 475 00:49:37,079 --> 00:49:42,400 could land it. Uh So if they went had a problem, they could 476 00:49:42,400 --> 00:49:45,760 have just landed, but they didn't. But if they exploded, well then 477 00:49:45,840 --> 00:49:52,239 maybe just a bunch of pieces. Uh. They people saw an explosion that 478 00:49:52,320 --> 00:49:55,639 were out on the ocean in that area that at the same time that it 479 00:49:55,840 --> 00:50:02,280 happened, So that's why happen. I think it exploded. But that's something 480 00:50:02,400 --> 00:50:07,800 new I was never aware of, so that's very interesting. Yeah, I'm 481 00:50:07,800 --> 00:50:14,599 positive that it was electronic fog that you know, after I started researching the 482 00:50:14,599 --> 00:50:22,679 flight nineteen and it affected my emotions, which were exactly but they had experienced 483 00:50:22,679 --> 00:50:27,559 the exact same thing I had in the same exact area, and that's why 484 00:50:27,559 --> 00:50:30,840 they got all confused. And this is what I try to tell pilots, 485 00:50:30,880 --> 00:50:37,159 if you got any pilots listening, If you get caught in this electronic fog, 486 00:50:37,719 --> 00:50:42,679 it's it's hard to figure out whether it's attached to you or you're flying 487 00:50:42,719 --> 00:50:47,440 through fog, but you're noticed it's different than normal fog. It kind of 488 00:50:47,440 --> 00:50:53,440 got sparkles in it. It's fuzzy looking. So if you're in it, 489 00:50:53,519 --> 00:50:57,519 you want to do is this. Don't make a lot of turns. And 490 00:50:57,599 --> 00:51:02,000 this is where all of the people have cracked. Yeah, that's what may 491 00:51:02,079 --> 00:51:07,719 happen. Happened to Flight nineteen. They may not have disappeared. They may 492 00:51:07,760 --> 00:51:12,239 have just crashed the way out of the deep blue Atlantic, so they can't 493 00:51:12,280 --> 00:51:16,840 find him. With many pilots have died when they get caught in this electronic 494 00:51:16,880 --> 00:51:22,519 fog, they very they get immediately. Of course they're going to get confused, 495 00:51:22,840 --> 00:51:29,280 just like I did. But fortunately for me, I didn't make any 496 00:51:29,320 --> 00:51:37,000 turns, and I also had in my mind, so I used that straight 497 00:51:37,559 --> 00:51:44,519 So it's good to have that compass in your mind. Go ahead, I 498 00:51:44,519 --> 00:51:51,320 mean sorry, twin shopped. But it's very difficult, they said, And 499 00:51:51,360 --> 00:51:55,360 I can't say usually, you know, I found that what you doing. 500 00:51:58,199 --> 00:52:01,679 One thing I wanted to ask when you landed the plane you got off onto 501 00:52:02,880 --> 00:52:07,480 Terra Firma, what were the first things that went through your mind? And 502 00:52:07,519 --> 00:52:13,480 how did you feel? You Obviously, it's made a big impact on you 503 00:52:13,559 --> 00:52:17,280 because you've you've for over fifty years, you've been researching it. So that 504 00:52:17,480 --> 00:52:22,920 particular time when you first stepped down on Terra Firma after landing the plane, 505 00:52:23,440 --> 00:52:34,679 what was the feat Well, as soon as I landed, you know, 506 00:52:34,760 --> 00:52:39,119 I was kind of relieved that I knew there was incredible flight. Yeah, 507 00:52:39,159 --> 00:52:45,159 and then I taxied to Customs to Customs, and so then I looked at 508 00:52:45,199 --> 00:52:52,159 the watches and I noticed that there was like a thirty minutes or forty minutes 509 00:52:52,199 --> 00:52:58,719 of time missing, and somehow I got way ahead of the normal time adn't 510 00:52:58,719 --> 00:53:04,440 there. And that added to my confusion about the incredible fight I just made. 511 00:53:04,519 --> 00:53:09,679 And so that that's what went through my mind, and my dad and 512 00:53:09,719 --> 00:53:17,000 our business partner passenger, we're also confused with it. Uh we we we 513 00:53:17,119 --> 00:53:27,480 really couldn't really uh explain it because none of us realized that space time had 514 00:53:27,519 --> 00:53:31,079 everything to do with what we experienced. We had a space time warp, 515 00:53:31,159 --> 00:53:36,840 and so we didn't even know it was a space time work. I didn't 516 00:53:36,880 --> 00:53:39,760 know what it was, but with all my research, I figured it out. 517 00:53:39,840 --> 00:53:45,840 That's that's exactly what happened, and that's what happened to Flight nineteen. 518 00:53:45,920 --> 00:53:52,199 I guarantee that they may have had some space work. Also in electronic fog, 519 00:53:55,480 --> 00:54:00,559 they made a bunch of turns, and that's that's what's happen to many 520 00:54:00,559 --> 00:54:06,639 other pilots that have died because of the electronic fog. Like if they make 521 00:54:06,679 --> 00:54:12,119 too many turns. See, after they've made say three turns, you're kind 522 00:54:12,159 --> 00:54:16,000 of starting to lose track of which way is north. And then if you 523 00:54:16,039 --> 00:54:20,920 make any more turns, and then you're totally lost. You have no idea 524 00:54:21,760 --> 00:54:27,960 which way you're flying because your compass is spinning. And in modern times, 525 00:54:28,000 --> 00:54:32,199 your electronics are going to be shut down. You know, they the screens 526 00:54:32,320 --> 00:54:37,480 that they use nowadays instead of insurround instruments that they would probably just be turned 527 00:54:37,480 --> 00:54:42,920 off. They'll be blank, so they won't be able to use. There 528 00:54:42,920 --> 00:54:46,719 won't be many instruments they can use. If they may have some physical backup 529 00:54:46,760 --> 00:54:52,519 instruments that they could use, but they're going to be so confused that what 530 00:54:52,679 --> 00:55:00,079 happens to them is they end up getting spatial disorientation, end up doing a 531 00:55:00,079 --> 00:55:05,880 graveyard spiral. So that's what I try to tell any pilots to be aware 532 00:55:05,920 --> 00:55:08,559 of if they ever get caught in it. Don't start making a bunch of 533 00:55:08,559 --> 00:55:14,960 turns. To decide what to do immediately, what you're going to do, 534 00:55:15,360 --> 00:55:22,639 and as far as your direction you're going and if you're over, don't worry 535 00:55:22,679 --> 00:55:29,360 about that. That's something going on. Marks and they're okay. Yes, 536 00:55:29,920 --> 00:55:35,360 if the relation they should aim make one turn if it's needed, to turn 537 00:55:35,440 --> 00:55:43,360 toward a main body of land, because the electronic frogs should dissipate when you 538 00:55:44,000 --> 00:55:47,280 transfer from the ocean to the land, and then it just the opposite. 539 00:55:47,280 --> 00:55:52,639 If they're over the land, they should turn toward the main body of ocean 540 00:55:53,360 --> 00:55:58,280 and then it will detach, which it did to me where I had a 541 00:55:58,400 --> 00:56:05,079 second experience with it, eletronic fog over the Everglades and I, since I 542 00:56:05,119 --> 00:56:10,199 was over the landed, I turned towards the ocean then electronically dissipated from the 543 00:56:10,239 --> 00:56:15,559 aircraft that was back in nineteen ninety six that I had that exception experience with 544 00:56:15,639 --> 00:56:22,320 the electronic fog. And in my new book and on YouTube, I just 545 00:56:23,639 --> 00:56:34,800 did a video on electronic fog. Yeah, and how it's formed. There's 546 00:56:34,880 --> 00:56:42,559 like I've got three different names for it. Like the storm out in the 547 00:56:42,639 --> 00:56:50,119 over the great behind the bank, I call that a circular vortex squall because 548 00:56:51,639 --> 00:57:00,760 it was so large. And there were other type of storms I call them 549 00:57:00,800 --> 00:57:07,840 a thunderstorm vortex tunnel or or a time storm. It would be a good 550 00:57:07,880 --> 00:57:15,039 for them. And the main thing is is that the vortex tunnel has formed 551 00:57:15,119 --> 00:57:22,400 within the thunderstorms, and if you fly through that tunnel, you're going to 552 00:57:22,480 --> 00:57:27,519 have a space time work. And so this happens a lot in the Everglades. 553 00:57:28,800 --> 00:57:37,840 And so I was able to capture a photograph back in nineteen seventy eight 554 00:57:37,280 --> 00:57:42,840 and I've kept it all this time, and it's still the best photo ever 555 00:57:42,880 --> 00:57:49,920 taking of how these thunderstorms with the vortex tunnel formed. And this was over 556 00:57:50,000 --> 00:57:53,760 the northern part of the Everglades, and this happens a lot over the Everglades. 557 00:57:54,519 --> 00:57:59,119 So I've got two photos. They're in my new book on page eighty 558 00:57:59,159 --> 00:58:06,679 four and they're on the YouTube also that I just posted it on YouTube yesterday 559 00:58:06,800 --> 00:58:14,920 and and so it shows that the photos show thunderstorms and they're one minute apart, 560 00:58:15,519 --> 00:58:20,519 and so you can see how anvileheads form on the thunderstorms and then the 561 00:58:20,559 --> 00:58:25,840 antleheads connect and a tunnel this form. And I explained it in detail on 562 00:58:25,880 --> 00:58:30,960 YouTube. And then the photos are also in my book. And then I've 563 00:58:30,000 --> 00:58:37,440 also got photos of radar images that I caught that are very rare, and 564 00:58:37,639 --> 00:58:45,760 it shows donut shape storms out all the Everglades and in the Bahamas that are 565 00:58:45,840 --> 00:58:54,400 very rare, circular shaped squalls. It was very interested in this book. 566 00:58:54,440 --> 00:59:00,559 I think I'll have to get old of it. Yeah, the fact that 567 00:59:00,880 --> 00:59:07,000 there's also activity down in the Everglades too. I mean you hear the Bermuda 568 00:59:07,159 --> 00:59:13,880 triangle, and that was the term coined back in the day. It's technically 569 00:59:13,920 --> 00:59:16,079 not really a triangle. It is an area. And I do believe the 570 00:59:16,159 --> 00:59:22,159 area fluctuates, you know, where it undulates and changes shape or does whatever. 571 00:59:22,239 --> 00:59:27,199 It just covers the general area down there. So if it's going to 572 00:59:27,280 --> 00:59:31,599 come, you know, like the tip of Miami. But there's no reason 573 00:59:31,679 --> 00:59:36,800 why it also couldn't go farther down into the Everglades. Yeah, it's definitely 574 00:59:36,840 --> 00:59:42,360 in the Everglades. And then just recently, only a year ago, I 575 00:59:42,519 --> 00:59:51,920 captured another timestone that formed over the southern end of the Everglades. I lived 576 00:59:52,000 --> 00:59:57,800 in the Keys for twenty years and so had I had a good view of 577 00:59:57,840 --> 01:00:02,280 the Everglades in Florida Bay, and I've seen a lot of these vortex tunnels 578 01:00:02,320 --> 01:00:07,800 form, but this was a really good one there, and so I not 579 01:00:07,920 --> 01:00:13,599 only captured it with the photographs, but I have a video of it, 580 01:00:14,199 --> 01:00:19,000 and it's it's and it's really neat looking. It's because of the sun has 581 01:00:19,119 --> 01:00:23,840 just set, so it's just starting to get dark, and you can see 582 01:00:24,320 --> 01:00:31,079 this tunnel. It's formed in between the thunderstorms. At one point, the 583 01:00:31,159 --> 01:00:37,280 tunnel it turned square, like a square shape, which is really strange, 584 01:00:37,280 --> 01:00:42,960 but not strange. And some of these strange clouds, like the hexagon clouds 585 01:00:43,000 --> 01:00:47,519 that scientists claim or are very dangerous, and so other people have seen these 586 01:00:47,559 --> 01:00:52,280 strange things. It's just like it could be related to like some of these 587 01:00:52,639 --> 01:00:58,360 uh UFOs they see there. They say they're cubes shape, they're square. 588 01:00:59,519 --> 01:01:02,840 So this happens in apparently in meter out you too, But the ones over 589 01:01:02,880 --> 01:01:10,960 the air blades are absolutely natural. It's and when that tunnel collapses, it 590 01:01:12,039 --> 01:01:16,960 emits like a spear, a puff of the electronic clock. And that's another 591 01:01:17,000 --> 01:01:22,920 thing that I just noticed on these two photos that I was telling you about, 592 01:01:22,559 --> 01:01:31,079 that I may have captured the electronic fog and an actual photograph of the 593 01:01:31,119 --> 01:01:37,199 electronic fog, because there were three tunnels, and in the photos it really 594 01:01:37,199 --> 01:01:44,880 only shows two tunnels. But when I took the photo, the third tunnel 595 01:01:45,360 --> 01:01:53,559 had just collapsed, and so you can see some strange shapes in the photos 596 01:01:53,599 --> 01:01:59,199 where that that tunnel collapsed. The one is kind of like a blurry looking 597 01:02:00,239 --> 01:02:02,519 cloud or something, and then the other one is more like in the line 598 01:02:02,559 --> 01:02:08,559 and it's and it's dropping down toward Earth. So I'm thinking that's gotta be 599 01:02:08,599 --> 01:02:15,719 the electronic flow that the same thing I experienced in the Everglades and other pilot's 600 01:02:15,719 --> 01:02:22,199 all sort of experienced in the Everglade. Well, first it's a meteorological condition 601 01:02:22,280 --> 01:02:27,559 in that case. Well, we are coming up on the end of the 602 01:02:27,599 --> 01:02:36,760 program here. The one thing I'm just going to mention this briefly. There 603 01:02:36,880 --> 01:02:45,280 was last week there was this supposed disclosure meeting for Members of Congress there where 604 01:02:45,320 --> 01:02:50,559 the military and former military came out and started talking about UFOs and we have 605 01:02:50,679 --> 01:02:54,239 these craft and whatnot. But there was one description you just made that sounded 606 01:02:54,320 --> 01:03:00,400 very similar to what they mentioned. Is the cube. Yeah, that these 607 01:03:00,880 --> 01:03:08,199 these military folk had seen a cube shaped object with what looked like something spherical 608 01:03:08,400 --> 01:03:15,079 inside of it. Yeah, it sounded very similar to what you just described. 609 01:03:15,639 --> 01:03:21,559 Yeah, yeah, there was. The tunnel was originally it was round, 610 01:03:21,639 --> 01:03:24,880 but as these tunnels usually last three or four minutes and then they collapsed, 611 01:03:27,280 --> 01:03:31,440 so when it was about to collapse maybe one minute, had maybe another 612 01:03:31,480 --> 01:03:38,440 minute to go before it would collapse, it formed a square shape the tunnel 613 01:03:38,679 --> 01:03:45,280 entrance. That had never seen that happen before. But I had a friend 614 01:03:45,360 --> 01:03:51,079 at city flew through a square hallway once. One of my mentors actually was 615 01:03:51,880 --> 01:03:54,039 flying over the Great Biot Bank right near Andrews. When he did this, 616 01:03:55,039 --> 01:04:00,880 he flew in between two car storms to get under him, but the area 617 01:04:00,960 --> 01:04:08,000 that was in between them was a square hallway. M hmm. You're very 618 01:04:08,079 --> 01:04:13,840 interesting. Well. The book is called Bermuda Triangle Survivor Pilot tells what he 619 01:04:13,920 --> 01:04:18,400 experienced in the heart of the phenomenon. And Bruce, where can people find 620 01:04:18,400 --> 01:04:25,880 your book? I they can find it on Amazon, they're the ones that 621 01:04:26,360 --> 01:04:30,440 published it, and it's just it's I'm really happy with it because it's you 622 01:04:30,440 --> 01:04:35,679 can get it in a hardcover and it's got all color photos in it for 623 01:04:35,719 --> 01:04:41,199 the first time. Of all the books I wrote that they were always black 624 01:04:41,239 --> 01:04:44,000 and white. Well, this one's in color, so that's it nice. 625 01:04:45,360 --> 01:04:48,880 And then on YouTube if they want to check out my channel, to go 626 01:04:49,000 --> 01:04:57,360 to Bermuda Files to find my channel, or you can search electronic fob. 627 01:04:58,159 --> 01:05:03,840 That's my niche, electronic thought. So hopefully it'll help me to be successful 628 01:05:04,480 --> 01:05:10,639 producing these videos I need to since I have a niche that no one else 629 01:05:11,159 --> 01:05:17,719 can claim. Excellent. Well, Bruce, thank you very much for coming 630 01:05:17,719 --> 01:05:25,639 back onto the program and talking about this again and definitely shed some new light 631 01:05:25,880 --> 01:05:32,119 onto the phenomenon. I highly recommend everybody to pick up Bruce's book, and 632 01:05:32,559 --> 01:05:35,880 Bruce, thank you again for coming on. This has been a pleasure, 633 01:05:36,320 --> 01:05:42,880 all right, Thanks Mark. Yeah, it's really interesting. I hope there's 634 01:05:42,920 --> 01:05:48,519 any young scientists amateur scientists out there interested in meteorology and physics that we'll check 635 01:05:48,559 --> 01:05:56,039 out my research because there's a lot to be discovered yet about something that I 636 01:05:56,159 --> 01:06:00,480 believe will be very important for our future and for also for the present, 637 01:06:00,519 --> 01:06:03,480 and it's going to save lives in the present. Once we've learned how to 638 01:06:03,519 --> 01:06:14,840 harness the sanergy, then we're probably use it to time travel. That would 639 01:06:14,840 --> 01:06:18,800 be nice. I'll tell you one. I'll tell you one boy, one 640 01:06:18,880 --> 01:06:23,679 young boy that will be very interested in this book. And that's my grandson, 641 01:06:25,320 --> 01:06:30,079 right, yeah, for young adults. Show. Yeah, this is 642 01:06:30,119 --> 01:06:34,639 this is his field. This is exactly what I'm going to tell him about 643 01:06:34,679 --> 01:06:39,199 your book. I might even buy it for him. Actually, yeah, 644 01:06:39,360 --> 01:06:44,440 appreciate it. M hm, well, lovely talking to Bruce. Yes, 645 01:06:44,559 --> 01:06:48,599 Bruce, and want to thank everybody else for tuning into another episode of the 646 01:06:48,599 --> 01:06:54,719 Paranormal UK Radio show, the flagship Show here on the Paranormal UK Radio Network. 647 01:06:56,199 --> 01:07:00,639 We'll be back next week with a special edition show, I mean from 648 01:07:00,719 --> 01:07:06,400 the UK and Irene. Where can people hear us? A special edition show 649 01:07:06,880 --> 01:07:12,840 me and you a arguing in person, so like, yes, I can 650 01:07:12,880 --> 01:07:18,639 reach over and smack you if you if you or I'll just yell at Brian 651 01:07:18,719 --> 01:07:24,559 to come over and get you under control. You haven't seen my left hook 652 01:07:24,800 --> 01:07:30,760 you, would you come? Okay? All right, we can everyone find 653 01:07:30,880 --> 01:07:34,960 us everywhere everywhere. All right, everybody, Thank you again, have a 654 01:07:35,000 --> 01:07:40,360 wonderful evening, and we will catch you all next time. Be good humanist, 655 01:07:40,440 --> 01:08:04,039 we'll talk to you. So why