WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.720 --> 00:00:04.519 If you're looking for more horror outside of the mainstream, look no further than 2 00:00:04.599 --> 00:00:11.160 Unsung Horrors, a podcast about underseen horror movies. I'm Lance and I'm Erica. 3 00:00:11.480 --> 00:00:15.119 Every other week we'll cover a horror movie with fewer than one thousand views 4 00:00:15.119 --> 00:00:19.280 on Letterboxed. We'll even give you double feature recommendations to pair with the movies 5 00:00:19.359 --> 00:00:24.160 we discuss. From gothic to shot on video, from slashers to comedies, 6 00:00:24.280 --> 00:00:28.679 from Giallo to j horror, We'll cover all the subgenres. So join us 7 00:00:28.760 --> 00:00:33.079 as we unearth these hidden gems of horror. Follow us on Instagram, Twitter, 8 00:00:33.159 --> 00:00:37.799 and Facebook. All at Unsung Horrors, available wherever you listen to podcasts 9 00:00:38.479 --> 00:00:50.320 and part of the Someone's Favorite Productions podcast Network. Hello there, and welcome 10 00:00:50.359 --> 00:00:54.240 back to the disc Connected. I'm here with Chris Stashu, who I can't 11 00:00:54.280 --> 00:00:58.560 even really announce as a part of something. Because you touch so many different 12 00:00:58.600 --> 00:01:02.359 podcasts out there, we're going to break down all of them. Chris, 13 00:01:02.399 --> 00:01:06.040 thanks for doing the show. Thank you for having me. It's not very 14 00:01:06.040 --> 00:01:10.239 frequently that I have to worry about being on camera. Well, I'm glad 15 00:01:10.280 --> 00:01:11.959 you are because you are a beautiful human and it's nice to be able to 16 00:01:12.000 --> 00:01:15.680 see your face. Thank you. Likewise, Likewise, I'm not six foot 17 00:01:15.719 --> 00:01:19.719 five like you, but I'm a shorter, beautiful human. Well, you're 18 00:01:19.760 --> 00:01:23.760 also in a similar region of the United States, and it's nice to see 19 00:01:23.799 --> 00:01:30.480 somebody that's fairly close by. Yeah, we're suffering together. You're probably suffering 20 00:01:30.599 --> 00:01:33.920 less than I am. But yeah, we're like three hours away, so 21 00:01:34.159 --> 00:01:37.400 that's a pretty good number compared to everybody else I work with who happens to 22 00:01:37.439 --> 00:01:40.840 be exactly in the fun parts of the country. Yeah, I'd say we 23 00:01:40.920 --> 00:01:42.840 suffer fairly equally. It just depends on the time of the year. I'll 24 00:01:42.879 --> 00:01:48.159 suffer in August probably slightly more than you. You'll suffer in February, probably 25 00:01:48.159 --> 00:01:52.439 slightly more. Yeah, that's right exactly. Yeah, when I like the 26 00:01:52.480 --> 00:01:55.319 cold weather here, I'm never going to complain about the cold weather, but 27 00:01:56.680 --> 00:01:59.519 yeah, sometimes it can get a bit much in the Midwest, folks. 28 00:02:00.200 --> 00:02:05.599 One of the things that I definitely want to talk about because people have if 29 00:02:05.599 --> 00:02:07.719 you've been watching this channel, you have not met Chris yet, we get 30 00:02:07.759 --> 00:02:12.680 a lot to discuss and introduce you to because Chris, like I said, 31 00:02:13.039 --> 00:02:15.120 you are prolific in the amount of podcast that you work on, but the 32 00:02:15.159 --> 00:02:20.240 big one you just contributed to the physical Media Advocate, the zine that we 33 00:02:20.280 --> 00:02:22.840 put out as part of this, and I want to say thank you. 34 00:02:23.199 --> 00:02:25.520 It was a fantastic piece, and I think introduces people to a part of 35 00:02:25.560 --> 00:02:30.360 cinema that most people don't touch on. Would you agree with that? I 36 00:02:30.400 --> 00:02:35.840 would not only agree, but I would agree vociferously, because again, when 37 00:02:35.879 --> 00:02:39.280 Indian cinema is mentioned, for the most part, I think everybody goes to 38 00:02:39.719 --> 00:02:44.520 a slum dog millionaire, at least they used to, not anymore. Thankfully, 39 00:02:44.520 --> 00:02:47.439 we're living in a post Triple R universe where Triple R made a lot 40 00:02:47.479 --> 00:02:53.199 of waves in the States thanks to people like Josh Hurtado who worked directly with 41 00:02:53.360 --> 00:02:59.879 SS Rajah Mouli to get it kind of up and over the line and into 42 00:03:00.120 --> 00:03:04.879 the kind of public zeitgeist in a way that Triple are deserved. But I 43 00:03:04.960 --> 00:03:08.280 watch a lot of Indian cinema. I watch Indian cinema every week. I 44 00:03:08.360 --> 00:03:15.120 have a bi weekly so once every other week podcast called The Bollywood Cinema Club. 45 00:03:15.240 --> 00:03:17.879 And yeah, no, Indian cinema takes up a lot of my time, 46 00:03:17.960 --> 00:03:21.439 not just because every single one of those movies for the most part, 47 00:03:21.520 --> 00:03:23.719 is at least two and a half, sometimes three hours, sometimes more than 48 00:03:23.759 --> 00:03:27.719 three hours. The movie that I did the write up for in your zine 49 00:03:27.879 --> 00:03:30.360 is three hours in like eleven minutes. And it's a rom com, so 50 00:03:31.879 --> 00:03:35.560 you know, and I don't watch rom coms, at least not Western ones. 51 00:03:35.560 --> 00:03:39.080 But Indian cinema their rom coms just they hit different, as they would 52 00:03:39.080 --> 00:03:43.840 say, Well, on that note, tell us about the podcast, tell 53 00:03:43.919 --> 00:03:46.599 us what you cover in it, and then we'll start talking about some of 54 00:03:46.599 --> 00:03:50.120 the other podcasts. So the Bollywood Cinema Club, I've been doing it for 55 00:03:50.639 --> 00:03:53.560 it'll be a year in January. I used to do and I still do 56 00:03:53.800 --> 00:03:59.960 Indian movies during the year on the Culture Cast, but it's only a month. 57 00:04:00.159 --> 00:04:04.120 But what's funny is I host on Spreaker, where all the shows that 58 00:04:04.159 --> 00:04:12.000 I post can be found, more specifically weirdingwaymedia dot com. And I looked 59 00:04:12.080 --> 00:04:15.439 at the numbers about a year ago, a year and a half ago for 60 00:04:15.399 --> 00:04:18.279 the show, and a lot of the downloads were the Indian movies, and 61 00:04:18.319 --> 00:04:20.720 so I was like, well, wouldn't it just makes sense to do it 62 00:04:20.759 --> 00:04:26.839 as its own thing focus. Yes, Yeah, So I spent six months 63 00:04:26.920 --> 00:04:30.800 recording thirty three or thirty four episodes of the show. So it's it being 64 00:04:30.839 --> 00:04:34.560 every other week, that's a year's worth of content. Actually, the episode 65 00:04:34.600 --> 00:04:40.759 I ran this previous week, so the week of October twelfth or thirteenth or 66 00:04:40.800 --> 00:04:46.360 fifteenth, or whatever the fuck this week is, that episode was recorded in 67 00:04:46.480 --> 00:04:51.480 January of this year. Wow. Right, right, So to your point 68 00:04:51.519 --> 00:04:56.319 about being prolific, the way that one is prolific is by doing this every 69 00:04:56.439 --> 00:05:01.319 day or more than one time the day. But the Bollywood Cinema Club is 70 00:05:01.319 --> 00:05:03.839 definitely the thing that I'm the most proud of right now in terms of the 71 00:05:03.879 --> 00:05:08.240 things that I am actively interested and engaged in. And so every other week 72 00:05:08.279 --> 00:05:13.240 we just talk about a new or old Indian movie, not just a Bollywood 73 00:05:13.279 --> 00:05:16.920 movie, because Bollywood is more a specific term for a specific kind of Indian 74 00:05:16.959 --> 00:05:25.199 cinema, that being Hindi cinema. And yeah, I think you know if 75 00:05:25.199 --> 00:05:29.000 you're if you've not been exposed to Indian movies, I'm not going to say 76 00:05:29.000 --> 00:05:31.720 my podcast is a perfect way to get involved, but it's a step in 77 00:05:31.759 --> 00:05:34.480 the right direction. I feel like if you're on Netflix and Amazon Prime, 78 00:05:34.480 --> 00:05:40.240 you've probably had Indian movies suggested to you. I just don't think people are 79 00:05:40.879 --> 00:05:44.879 moving on those suggestions because again, that would require you to watch something new 80 00:05:44.959 --> 00:05:46.759 that you haven't seen, and that means it might not be good, which 81 00:05:46.759 --> 00:05:51.120 I totally understand, because we all have not enough time to do the things 82 00:05:51.199 --> 00:05:54.319 we all want to do, and the last thing anyone would want to do 83 00:05:54.399 --> 00:05:56.839 is spend two and a half to three hours on a movie that's not good. 84 00:05:57.160 --> 00:06:00.360 So that's more what I'm trying to do is give people insight into Indian 85 00:06:00.439 --> 00:06:06.000 cinema, not just Hindi, but Telugu and Tamil, and giving them an 86 00:06:06.079 --> 00:06:10.199 idea of where they can go if they want to find more things like this, 87 00:06:10.319 --> 00:06:13.160 but also giving suggestions on things that are totally worth watching, because I 88 00:06:13.160 --> 00:06:16.920 don't think we've really talked about anything on the show that isn't worth checking out 89 00:06:17.000 --> 00:06:20.639 other than I think two movies, and Heather Drain had the misfortune of being 90 00:06:20.680 --> 00:06:25.600 on both of them, unfortunately, one of them being Maha Call, which 91 00:06:25.639 --> 00:06:30.839 is the nightmare on ELM Street reboot, reimagining, rip off, whatever you 92 00:06:30.879 --> 00:06:34.839 want to call it. I know, and we talked about it. I 93 00:06:35.040 --> 00:06:38.800 think it's fun for what it is. But if we're talking about it being 94 00:06:38.839 --> 00:06:44.720 a good movie. Oh definitely not right right, but yeah, you know 95 00:06:44.800 --> 00:06:46.199 Heather, Heather was on that episode, and then she was on the episode 96 00:06:46.199 --> 00:06:49.319 where we talked about Circus, which has not neither one of those episodes if 97 00:06:49.360 --> 00:06:54.120 you've come out yet, actually they were recorded so long ago. But that 98 00:06:54.199 --> 00:06:57.319 you know, for the most part, everything that I've watched and talked about 99 00:06:57.319 --> 00:06:59.600 on the show has been you know, please check it out. It is 100 00:06:59.639 --> 00:07:02.079 worth while watching. You would be doing yourself a disservice by not watching it. 101 00:07:02.480 --> 00:07:05.399 So I try not to watch movies that are not going to be good 102 00:07:05.439 --> 00:07:10.199 either, because I want people to be able to watch an Indian movie, 103 00:07:10.360 --> 00:07:13.800 enjoy it, and by enjoying it go watch other movies. I feel like 104 00:07:13.839 --> 00:07:16.839 if they watch it and don't like it, that door more or less closes. 105 00:07:17.040 --> 00:07:21.399 And I get it. But you know, not all Indian cinema is 106 00:07:21.480 --> 00:07:25.399 boring. In Sungate ray, a lot of it is just just like the 107 00:07:25.480 --> 00:07:28.360 kind of stuff that we're watching here in the States. You know, action 108 00:07:28.519 --> 00:07:33.199 movies, comedies, not as many horror movies unfortunately, but I feel like 109 00:07:33.240 --> 00:07:40.279 that's changing. So how does a gentleman from Nebraska just suddenly discover a love 110 00:07:40.279 --> 00:07:44.720 for Indian cinema. So that's the fun part. I live in Nebraska. 111 00:07:44.800 --> 00:07:49.279 I am thankfullyrases I'm not thankfully not from here. I have plenty of good 112 00:07:49.279 --> 00:07:54.959 friends here. I grew up and I know you grew up. You know, 113 00:07:55.000 --> 00:07:59.079 you grew up in southern California and I grew up in North Texas. 114 00:07:59.360 --> 00:08:01.600 But I was born You're in California, and then my folks moved when I 115 00:08:01.639 --> 00:08:05.560 was a kid. I grew up in North Texas, which when I was 116 00:08:05.600 --> 00:08:11.879 going to high school was pretty ethnically diverse. Now North Texas is very ethnically 117 00:08:11.879 --> 00:08:16.639 diverse, to the point where whole cities and communities are more Southeast Asian than 118 00:08:18.959 --> 00:08:22.240 even Hispanic or White or anything else. Because again, North Texas has become 119 00:08:22.279 --> 00:08:26.120 a very big place to move to and have a job, especially in tech 120 00:08:26.120 --> 00:08:31.399 industries and other things like that. So I grew up around a fair amount 121 00:08:31.439 --> 00:08:35.720 of Indian kids in high school, be it Northern Indian or Southern Indian, 122 00:08:35.799 --> 00:08:41.879 and so I was exposed to their culture pretty early on, and for whatever 123 00:08:41.960 --> 00:08:50.240 reason, it's something that I gravitated towards. And I remember watching my first 124 00:08:50.240 --> 00:08:58.399 Indian movie Proper on my way to India in twenty eleven and I kind of 125 00:08:58.440 --> 00:09:03.039 saw the movie. It was Entherron, which is Robo which stars Rajney Kant, 126 00:09:03.120 --> 00:09:09.600 and it's Bicentennial Man meets the Matrix, meets the Terminator all rolled into 127 00:09:09.639 --> 00:09:11.879 one. It's as insane as it sounds. It's a lot of fun. 128 00:09:11.919 --> 00:09:13.960 If you've never seen it, definitely check it out. I believe it's on 129 00:09:13.960 --> 00:09:18.600 Netflix or Prime Video. But I just grew up with a lot of Indian 130 00:09:18.679 --> 00:09:22.399 friends and that was something that I took interest in because I had to take 131 00:09:22.440 --> 00:09:26.360 interest in people and the things that they care about. And I am always 132 00:09:26.360 --> 00:09:30.840 that person who's asking more questions, which puts me in a position to then 133 00:09:30.840 --> 00:09:33.759 all of a sudden start caring about things I maybe didn't care about before. 134 00:09:33.679 --> 00:09:37.360 So that's the long answer to a short question. It's just I grew up 135 00:09:37.399 --> 00:09:43.200 around a lot of people who were Indian or Southeast Asian, and I ended 136 00:09:43.279 --> 00:09:46.000 up going to India and on the plane to India, like I said, 137 00:09:46.039 --> 00:09:48.799 the first time I saw an Indian movie and I kind of just fell in 138 00:09:48.799 --> 00:09:52.759 love with it from there. It's it's unlike anything else in the best way, 139 00:09:52.919 --> 00:09:56.799 and not every movie is going to be singing and dancing, but there's 140 00:09:56.840 --> 00:10:00.600 a lot of it, and that is part of it. And that bothers 141 00:10:00.639 --> 00:10:03.399 you probably don't watch Indian cinema. But also if that bothers you, the 142 00:10:03.480 --> 00:10:07.879 fuck is your problem? Like that's my question. Like my friend Dustin, 143 00:10:07.919 --> 00:10:11.200 who is on the show quite often, he puts it rather perfectly. He 144 00:10:11.240 --> 00:10:16.039 says, Indian cinema leaves room for fun and the joy of filmmaking is still 145 00:10:16.200 --> 00:10:20.279 readily apparent when you're watching the film. I don't think that's the case with 146 00:10:20.320 --> 00:10:26.279 a lot of Western cinema anymore for a number of reasons, but Indian cinema 147 00:10:26.320 --> 00:10:31.000 seems to have weathered that. An Indian culture has a very strong connection to 148 00:10:31.720 --> 00:10:33.399 cinema as well. I mean, it's an event. That's why the movies 149 00:10:33.440 --> 00:10:37.279 are so long, because you go and you want to. It's a day, 150 00:10:37.360 --> 00:10:39.879 you're spending your day doing it. It's a thing that you go and 151 00:10:39.879 --> 00:10:43.559 do with your family. So again, we've kind of commodified the movie going 152 00:10:43.600 --> 00:10:46.399 experience in this country to the point where it's like we're just gonna go to 153 00:10:46.440 --> 00:10:50.399 the movies. But in India, I mean you can. I mean again, 154 00:10:50.399 --> 00:10:52.480 you can get food here in the States now, but we don't have 155 00:10:52.559 --> 00:10:58.159 intermissions during movies. They have intermissions in Indian cinema. It's just it's a 156 00:10:58.159 --> 00:11:01.879 different way of approaching film and it's a different cultural appreciation that I feel like 157 00:11:03.080 --> 00:11:05.399 more people would be able to understand if they were watching Indian cinema, because 158 00:11:05.399 --> 00:11:09.720 they really love movies over there in a way that like, I think we 159 00:11:11.639 --> 00:11:15.639 like them here in the States, but they're not intrinsically part of our culture. 160 00:11:16.039 --> 00:11:20.039 People like movies, but in India it's part of the culture. Everybody 161 00:11:20.120 --> 00:11:22.360 watches movies in India. I can't say the same for people here. I 162 00:11:22.360 --> 00:11:26.679 have run into plenty of people that say I don't know actors and I don't 163 00:11:26.720 --> 00:11:31.080 watch movies. It's like, well, I mean for someone like myself or 164 00:11:31.080 --> 00:11:35.320 yourself who watches a lot of physical media or just things in general, that's 165 00:11:35.360 --> 00:11:39.080 a hard thing to understand, Like I don't watch a lot of movies, 166 00:11:39.120 --> 00:11:41.639 Like, right, okay, so what do you do with your life? 167 00:11:41.879 --> 00:11:46.759 Yeah, you're just watching a lot of TV, just watching Seinfeld and Frasier 168 00:11:46.879 --> 00:11:52.200 remakes and retreads. I don't know, Like that's that's the thing for me. 169 00:11:52.320 --> 00:11:54.879 Is like I always I always kind of drag the office. But it's 170 00:11:54.919 --> 00:11:58.200 like Why would you go and watch The Office for the thirtieth time when you 171 00:11:58.240 --> 00:12:01.919 can be watching new things that you've never scene that might push you as a 172 00:12:01.000 --> 00:12:05.679 as a film watcher or allow you to appreciate a culture that, again you're 173 00:12:05.720 --> 00:12:09.360 probably not having a lot of exposure to. I mentioned this on the It 174 00:12:09.399 --> 00:12:13.720 Lives Inside podcast. I probably do take for granted my exposure to Indian culture 175 00:12:13.480 --> 00:12:18.919 comparatively to a lot of people growing up in this country, and especially people 176 00:12:18.919 --> 00:12:24.080 in the Midwest, Like I ain't seen a lot of Indian folks around these 177 00:12:24.159 --> 00:12:26.159 parts, as they would say. But what's crazy is we have Indian movies 178 00:12:26.200 --> 00:12:33.200 being shown at our local movie theaters. So like, maybe I'm wrong, 179 00:12:33.360 --> 00:12:41.679 but don't I don't think where I live now is as conducive to appreciating Indian 180 00:12:41.759 --> 00:12:46.879 cinema outside of just doing it yourself, because people here have to be convinced 181 00:12:46.200 --> 00:12:48.960 to watch Indian cinema and then they love it when they watch it, so 182 00:12:50.960 --> 00:12:54.399 huzzah. But yeah, no, that's long, long answer to a short 183 00:12:54.480 --> 00:12:58.039 question, and I mean really got to touch on that culture point because not 184 00:12:58.120 --> 00:13:01.120 to just hammer on triple R because that's what everybody wants to talk about. 185 00:13:01.159 --> 00:13:05.919 For the last two years. But the big thing is it showed that people 186 00:13:05.919 --> 00:13:09.240 are willing to embrace it. It showed that people and not only just the 187 00:13:09.279 --> 00:13:15.639 film itself, but you know, these these videos of dancing and singing breaking 188 00:13:15.720 --> 00:13:18.759 out in fucking la theaters of people that just loved the movie. And it's 189 00:13:18.799 --> 00:13:22.799 not like the entire audience was all Indian and that this is something that they 190 00:13:22.840 --> 00:13:28.279 were prepared for. This was people that just genuinely got overtaken by the joy 191 00:13:28.320 --> 00:13:31.679 of the film. Yeah. And you know, I have spoken with some 192 00:13:31.720 --> 00:13:35.919 of my Indian friends about Triple R and they like it. But my white 193 00:13:35.960 --> 00:13:39.519 friends that I've talked to seem to be the ones who liked the movie more. 194 00:13:39.279 --> 00:13:41.200 And it seems to like, really, I don't know, it seems 195 00:13:41.200 --> 00:13:46.120 to really speak more to like the action movie saensibilities of the people that I 196 00:13:46.159 --> 00:13:50.279 know, but also like the kind of epic action because that's a pretty epic 197 00:13:50.320 --> 00:13:54.960 movie Triple R is. Yeah, I'm curious to see if this will be 198 00:13:54.039 --> 00:13:58.960 sustained because again we've kind of seen these blips come and go, but like, 199 00:14:00.120 --> 00:14:05.200 will it be sustained further into people going from Triple R to maybe Again, 200 00:14:05.320 --> 00:14:09.159 my suggestion, if you've seen triple R and you want to watch something 201 00:14:09.159 --> 00:14:13.679 else that's an action movie that you can see kind of the frame of reference 202 00:14:13.919 --> 00:14:18.519 Western wise, but appreciate it because it's something very different. Is Patan, 203 00:14:18.600 --> 00:14:20.720 which came out earlier this year, which is shah ru Khan essentially doing the 204 00:14:20.720 --> 00:14:26.120 Ethan hunt Tom Cruise Mission Impossible. Think it's Mission impossible but better because sha 205 00:14:26.200 --> 00:14:31.240 ru Khan is a much more charismatic actor than Tom Cruise could ever hope to 206 00:14:31.240 --> 00:14:33.720 be. And Tom Cruise is a very charismatic actor, but shah ru Khan 207 00:14:33.840 --> 00:14:39.879 is just Indian. If you watch an Indian movie and you're not immediately taken 208 00:14:39.879 --> 00:14:43.279 aback by how fucking charismatic all of the people are, how good looking everybody 209 00:14:43.399 --> 00:14:46.720 is. It's a different way of making movies. It feels like old school 210 00:14:46.759 --> 00:14:52.440 Hollywood actors are venerated in a way that is not we don't do that in 211 00:14:52.480 --> 00:14:56.399 this country anymore. It's and it's because of the amount of people that are 212 00:14:56.440 --> 00:15:01.240 watching these movies that feel that they connect to the these actors in such a 213 00:15:01.360 --> 00:15:05.480 tangible way that they're venerated. Like God's Omi tap Bachchan, who's one of 214 00:15:05.519 --> 00:15:09.919 the biggest Indian actors up until the pandemic, and he's doing it again on 215 00:15:09.039 --> 00:15:13.080 Saturday, will come out in front of his house and wave to his fans 216 00:15:13.120 --> 00:15:16.799 and then he goes back inside of his house. That's it. And people 217 00:15:16.840 --> 00:15:20.799 are there every weekend, Like nobody is doing that here. That's not a 218 00:15:20.840 --> 00:15:24.720 thing. That's so not a thing that to say that out loud, which 219 00:15:24.720 --> 00:15:28.519 I have to multiple people, they're like shocked and stunned that that's the thing, 220 00:15:28.720 --> 00:15:33.720 Like what why because he's venerated. Because people think that amitab Bocchon is 221 00:15:33.759 --> 00:15:39.799 worth idolizing, and I don't think they're wrong. I think a part of 222 00:15:39.799 --> 00:15:43.879 what we've lost in the US potentially is the fact that many of these stars 223 00:15:43.879 --> 00:15:50.039 are on Instagram selling its multi level marketing products. Right, Sam Friedman and 224 00:15:50.200 --> 00:15:52.399 Tom Brady would love for you to lose all of your money. Yeah, 225 00:15:52.519 --> 00:15:56.159 yeah, I mean that's this. I mean, that's the cynical aspect of 226 00:15:56.200 --> 00:15:58.799 it. But I mean the you know, Ron Beer Kapor and all you 227 00:15:58.840 --> 00:16:03.399 know SRK and a mere Khan, they're all advertising stuff in India. It's 228 00:16:03.399 --> 00:16:07.000 just it's in India, you know. And they're they're involved in politics. 229 00:16:07.200 --> 00:16:08.919 It's just in India, you know. Again, it's hard to have an 230 00:16:08.919 --> 00:16:14.679 opinion about someone that's not in your country, because you have opinions about people 231 00:16:14.679 --> 00:16:18.279 in your country, so you're worried about having opinion about them first, which 232 00:16:18.320 --> 00:16:21.879 is fine. Like you know, again, I understand that it's an uphill 233 00:16:21.919 --> 00:16:23.960 battle to try to get people to watch movies with subtitles, but come on, 234 00:16:25.559 --> 00:16:30.679 come on, come on, guys. I would think so in twenty 235 00:16:30.720 --> 00:16:33.960 twenty three, but I know that that's still that is still a thing that 236 00:16:33.000 --> 00:16:37.559 people will say, like, I, what's foreign films because I don't want 237 00:16:37.600 --> 00:16:40.919 to read, and it's like, oh, fine, fine, fine, 238 00:16:41.960 --> 00:16:45.759 but yeah, no, Indian cinema for me has become a passion and it 239 00:16:45.840 --> 00:16:51.120 is something that I'm, like I said, I'm trying to foster a positive 240 00:16:51.120 --> 00:16:55.080 community around understanding and appreciating it through a Western lens, which is the only 241 00:16:55.120 --> 00:16:56.840 lens that I can offer, because I am not Indian. That's the one, 242 00:16:56.840 --> 00:17:00.759 you know. Yeah, yeah, and it's and it's not any less 243 00:17:00.840 --> 00:17:06.359 valid if it's being appreciative, not like oh this is fucking weird. Like 244 00:17:06.480 --> 00:17:08.960 there's none of that on my show. The only dragging that we do is 245 00:17:08.960 --> 00:17:11.960 the dragging of people that don't like to watch movies with subtitles. And again, 246 00:17:12.519 --> 00:17:15.519 I don't know how else to say this, but get over yourself. 247 00:17:15.559 --> 00:17:18.200 Like I'm not trying to be a dick, but if you don't watch movies 248 00:17:18.200 --> 00:17:22.640 with subtitles, you've closed off so much fantastic cinema, not just Indian cinema, 249 00:17:22.680 --> 00:17:27.279 but German films, Japanese films, French New Wave. Like if you 250 00:17:27.319 --> 00:17:34.000 only want to watch the Office, it's your progreve. I guess. Yeah, 251 00:17:34.039 --> 00:17:38.079 so that's Bollywood cinema. Bollywood Cinema. Club links for that obviously in 252 00:17:38.119 --> 00:17:41.759 the description below. Please go check that out. Subscribe, listen to every 253 00:17:41.759 --> 00:17:45.799 episode. Chris is amazing. Next Culture Cast. There's so many things to 254 00:17:47.119 --> 00:17:49.839 promote and discuss, so I got to go through it quick. Yeah. 255 00:17:49.960 --> 00:17:53.640 Culture Cast is just a movie, just another movie podcast. I've been doing 256 00:17:53.640 --> 00:18:00.400 that since twenty fourteen October of twenty fourteen, so next year it'll be a 257 00:18:00.480 --> 00:18:07.200 decade, niece. Yeah, it's I don't know, I uh, you're 258 00:18:07.200 --> 00:18:11.799 really solid this one. Well. I enjoy I enjoy doing the show. 259 00:18:11.799 --> 00:18:17.119 But it's definitely one of those things where like if we're not talking about new 260 00:18:17.160 --> 00:18:19.440 movies, it's really hard to like get people excited outright because it's like, 261 00:18:19.480 --> 00:18:22.480 well, we watch all kinds of different stuff, but we really do. 262 00:18:22.559 --> 00:18:27.240 I mean, the culture Cast is more about highlighting things that I think and 263 00:18:27.319 --> 00:18:33.799 other people think are worth checking out that maybe didn't get the appreciation initially that 264 00:18:33.839 --> 00:18:37.519 one would assume. And the culture Cast is not just my baby. I 265 00:18:37.559 --> 00:18:41.960 mean it is, but throughout the year, I let other people program months 266 00:18:41.039 --> 00:18:45.960 because I think getting other people involved is more fun. And again, I 267 00:18:45.960 --> 00:18:48.559 don't know how many people are being given an opportunity to program a month of 268 00:18:48.599 --> 00:18:52.559 content that they don't have to edit, that they don't have to do anything 269 00:18:52.559 --> 00:18:56.920 with, right, And I have no problem doing it. So Mike White, 270 00:18:56.000 --> 00:19:00.279 who is the host of The Projection Booth, which is my favorite movie 271 00:19:00.359 --> 00:19:06.480 podcast and I think the superior at least academic level movie podcast, him and 272 00:19:06.519 --> 00:19:10.799 I work together. He's on my show fairly frequently. But yeah, like 273 00:19:10.920 --> 00:19:15.200 movie podcasts are, if you don't like movies, you're not gonna listen. 274 00:19:15.279 --> 00:19:18.079 So if you like movies, you should check out the Culture Cast, but 275 00:19:18.480 --> 00:19:21.640 to a labor of love, like anything else. But I just I use 276 00:19:21.680 --> 00:19:25.000 it as an opportunity to watch movies I've never seen before and you know, 277 00:19:25.039 --> 00:19:27.000 getting to talk about them often with the people who pick the movies. But 278 00:19:27.599 --> 00:19:30.279 you know, even more often just two people who have never seen the movie 279 00:19:30.279 --> 00:19:33.359 having a conversation about it. So, but all the research has done, 280 00:19:33.400 --> 00:19:37.119 it's all very well researched. I mean again, everybody who I host with 281 00:19:37.319 --> 00:19:41.440 is very entertaining, yourself included. You were just on an episode of the 282 00:19:41.440 --> 00:19:45.200 show where we talked about no One Will Save You. I almost butcher the 283 00:19:45.240 --> 00:19:49.119 title of the movie again. But the Culture Cast, I mean again, 284 00:19:49.119 --> 00:19:52.440 I don't want to just downplay it as just another movie podcast, but it 285 00:19:52.519 --> 00:19:57.400 is a movie podcast that you can listen to on the internet. That's what 286 00:19:57.440 --> 00:20:03.640 we all love. Culture Cast, Bollywood Cinema Club. And you've got some 287 00:20:03.759 --> 00:20:07.359 others that you invest a lot of time in. Once you at least lay 288 00:20:07.400 --> 00:20:11.240 the floor on those, maybe we won't go as in depth. Yeah. 289 00:20:11.279 --> 00:20:14.680 So, in terms of collaborative things that I work on, I work on 290 00:20:14.720 --> 00:20:19.839 a couple shows where I am essentially a host, not a host slash producer, 291 00:20:21.000 --> 00:20:25.279 not editor. So Midnight Viewing, which is a night gallery podcast than 292 00:20:25.400 --> 00:20:30.559 Twilight Zone eighty five. That podcast is called Dreams for Sale, did a 293 00:20:30.599 --> 00:20:33.720 col check show with Mike White, and then right now we're working on a 294 00:20:33.799 --> 00:20:38.440 Barney Miller's show and a Colombo show as well, which will take us, 295 00:20:38.480 --> 00:20:41.640 you know, a couple more years to do, and then we have some 296 00:20:41.680 --> 00:20:45.200 other irons in the fire collaborative stuff. But for the most part, everything 297 00:20:45.240 --> 00:20:48.160 I do outside of the culture cast, which is like the singularly me outside 298 00:20:48.200 --> 00:20:52.359 of the guests, is purely collaborative. So scary stories we tell, which 299 00:20:52.400 --> 00:20:56.640 is very different from anything else I work on. It's like paranormal supernatural, 300 00:20:56.680 --> 00:21:00.799 but talking about those things, not just talking about movie versions of those things. 301 00:21:03.160 --> 00:21:06.359 And that's it. I mean again, like I show up on Mike's 302 00:21:06.359 --> 00:21:08.680 show from time to time, I show up on other people's shows from time 303 00:21:08.720 --> 00:21:11.559 to time. But I have plenty of things that keep me busy. I 304 00:21:11.559 --> 00:21:15.359 want to say. It's I want to say. I'm in charge of editing, 305 00:21:15.480 --> 00:21:22.160 posting, and doing all the work for two weekly shows, one bi 306 00:21:22.240 --> 00:21:27.160 weekly show, and three or four monthly shows. So let's ye, yeah, 307 00:21:27.440 --> 00:21:30.640 keeps it, keeps it keeps a girl busy so well. And not 308 00:21:30.680 --> 00:21:33.880 to mention when you record sixty eight episodes in a month or whatever, is 309 00:21:33.920 --> 00:21:40.920 that that's got Yeah, thirty three thirty three podcasts in six months is for 310 00:21:41.119 --> 00:21:44.559 one show I do. I mean I was still recording everything else for everything 311 00:21:44.640 --> 00:21:47.559 else, So yeah, it was a bit much, and and it burned 312 00:21:47.599 --> 00:21:52.160 It burned me out in a way that I'm still trying to grapple with because 313 00:21:52.039 --> 00:21:55.680 well that's the thing, you know, we we we talked about this, 314 00:21:55.880 --> 00:21:59.799 you know, off air, but doing the whole podcasting thing can seem kind 315 00:21:59.839 --> 00:22:03.799 of isolated and a little very working with other people. Like That's why I 316 00:22:03.839 --> 00:22:06.039 say, you know, the collaborative things I work on, because for me, 317 00:22:06.680 --> 00:22:10.480 I like being collaborative and working with people and working together. And that's 318 00:22:10.480 --> 00:22:14.400 why I let people program months of my show, The Culture Cast, because 319 00:22:14.480 --> 00:22:17.359 I mean that the way it works is if you program the month, you 320 00:22:17.400 --> 00:22:19.680 also are given the opportunity to be on any episode that you want, including 321 00:22:19.720 --> 00:22:22.559 all of them. So if you program an entire month, if you want 322 00:22:22.599 --> 00:22:26.319 to be on every episode, that's your prerogative. So I mean, again, 323 00:22:26.400 --> 00:22:29.960 I don't know who else is doing that for anybody else. It's not 324 00:22:29.960 --> 00:22:33.559 like I'm some sort of you know, mother Teresa or anything. But I 325 00:22:33.680 --> 00:22:37.759 understand that people are always wanting people to talk about the things that they care 326 00:22:37.799 --> 00:22:41.240 about or talk about the things that they care about. And I don't know 327 00:22:41.400 --> 00:22:44.240 short of starting your own show, how you could just have somebody allow you 328 00:22:44.279 --> 00:22:47.680 to do that. So and have a very good point. And yeah, 329 00:22:47.720 --> 00:22:51.000 I completely agree on the podcasting thing. Obviously I produce a couple as well. 330 00:22:51.079 --> 00:22:56.359 And the way that podcasting is just by the nature of what you're doing. 331 00:22:56.880 --> 00:23:02.960 You hardly ever interact with people other than for that initial recording. But 332 00:23:03.039 --> 00:23:06.480 so many people that's all they focus on. But there's so much extra time 333 00:23:06.519 --> 00:23:10.119 that goes into it just then that we'll say somewhere between forty five minutes to 334 00:23:10.200 --> 00:23:15.839 two hours of time. I would say I've used this equation to explain it 335 00:23:15.839 --> 00:23:18.799 to people. For every minute of content that's recorded, it's probably three minutes 336 00:23:18.839 --> 00:23:25.000 to four minutes of work that needs to be done with the content, something 337 00:23:25.119 --> 00:23:29.599 like one minute requires three minutes to get it where it needs to be or 338 00:23:29.640 --> 00:23:33.559 what you're doing it right. Yeah, I don't know why you would do 339 00:23:33.599 --> 00:23:34.960 it if you're not doing it right, which I think you would agree with. 340 00:23:36.359 --> 00:23:37.799 I mean again, I don't want to be the guy who's like, 341 00:23:37.799 --> 00:23:41.279 well, you should take pride in your work. But if I'm listening to 342 00:23:41.319 --> 00:23:44.000 your show and I can hear like burps and farts, and shit, right, 343 00:23:44.480 --> 00:23:48.680 come on, man, like people are listening to this and it's representative 344 00:23:48.680 --> 00:23:51.839 of you and who you are, and like, you know, burps and 345 00:23:51.880 --> 00:23:52.960 farts are fine. But if it's part of it, if it'spost, if 346 00:23:52.960 --> 00:23:56.279 it's meant to make you laugh, okay, But I don't know. It 347 00:23:56.359 --> 00:24:00.480 is a lone it's a lonely profession if you don't live in Las ag Angelus. 348 00:24:00.759 --> 00:24:03.000 Like that's what it feels like, right, Like we know that there 349 00:24:03.000 --> 00:24:07.200 are so many people that get to go podcast in a group in a room 350 00:24:07.279 --> 00:24:10.640 and they're all sitting there yucking it up. I've seen theovon on TikTok as. 351 00:24:10.640 --> 00:24:15.319 I'm sure many of you have. But for me, the podcasting experience 352 00:24:15.319 --> 00:24:19.319 has always been what we're doing now like a digital thing. I mean we 353 00:24:19.319 --> 00:24:23.440 we you and I could probably do something in person together given the proximity to 354 00:24:23.480 --> 00:24:27.599 one another that which we live. But yeah, like the people that I 355 00:24:27.640 --> 00:24:33.480 know, like Mike, we've never recorded together in person. I've recorded in 356 00:24:33.519 --> 00:24:37.279 person with two of the people that I consider myself close with in the podcasting 357 00:24:37.319 --> 00:24:38.599 world, at least in terms of people I've worked with for a while, 358 00:24:40.000 --> 00:24:44.000 And it's weird to record in person with them too. It's a very weird 359 00:24:44.039 --> 00:24:47.319 feeling to like look over and see the person next to you and be like, 360 00:24:47.359 --> 00:24:49.799 oh, we're doing the thing here as opposed to we're doing the thing 361 00:24:49.880 --> 00:24:55.000 here. Yeah. So a lot of people that don't consider this don't realize 362 00:24:55.000 --> 00:24:59.200 the fact that not only not only does it create a different dynamic because now 363 00:24:59.240 --> 00:25:03.920 instead of a computer screen, you're kind of like instinctually going to interact with 364 00:25:03.960 --> 00:25:07.400 them, even though obviously verbally you're already going to do that. But on 365 00:25:07.440 --> 00:25:11.799 top of that, it changes your workflow on everything and creates new hurdles that 366 00:25:11.880 --> 00:25:15.039 you don't always have to face because you're just in a silent room. But 367 00:25:15.160 --> 00:25:18.200 now if you got three people in the same room, there's a lot more 368 00:25:18.200 --> 00:25:22.160 to edit. Yeah, exactly, which I do take. I probably don't 369 00:25:22.160 --> 00:25:27.039 realize how much I take that for granted here as a podcaster doing everything remotely, 370 00:25:27.519 --> 00:25:30.519 So yeah, I can just mute myself and it's not a problem, 371 00:25:30.640 --> 00:25:34.440 which is not a thing if you're recording in a room. I guess it 372 00:25:34.480 --> 00:25:38.519 could be. But yeah, there's a reason people are doing mixing and editing 373 00:25:38.559 --> 00:25:41.640 for those people, because there's a lot more that needs to be done than 374 00:25:41.640 --> 00:25:47.640 with people that are recording separately on separate tracks in quiet houses, far away 375 00:25:47.680 --> 00:25:52.079 from one another. I love how this went into the podcast technical zone instead 376 00:25:52.079 --> 00:25:56.079 of talking about I mean, you mentioned how many podcasts I work on, 377 00:25:56.119 --> 00:25:59.000 so I figure mine as well. Mention some of the things that I've picked 378 00:25:59.079 --> 00:26:03.960 up in case anybody listening wants some free information on how to do this well 379 00:26:03.000 --> 00:26:07.799 and the other thing you kind of mentioned it. But weirding Way Media is 380 00:26:07.200 --> 00:26:11.839 sort of a pretty decent sized name, especially because of Mike's involvement, and 381 00:26:11.920 --> 00:26:17.240 most of that is based around you so well, and we have twenty plus 382 00:26:17.279 --> 00:26:22.960 shows and I only make up, like, I only make up probably seven 383 00:26:23.279 --> 00:26:26.559 of those. Yeah, I mean there are there are We have people on 384 00:26:26.599 --> 00:26:30.680 the network that I've never met. I mean people on the network that are 385 00:26:30.759 --> 00:26:34.519 doing shows that I've never been on, like Eighties TV Ladies, Filmentaries, 386 00:26:34.640 --> 00:26:40.480 Feminine Critique. Those are just three that stand out that I've never I guess 387 00:26:40.480 --> 00:26:45.880 I've been on eighties TV Ladies once. But yeah, no, I mean, 388 00:26:45.920 --> 00:26:48.000 there's just there's a lot going on at weirding Way Media and new stuff 389 00:26:48.000 --> 00:26:52.079 coming after the first of the year. We got two, two, three, 390 00:26:52.240 --> 00:26:56.079 three new projects that are launching after the first of the year as well 391 00:26:56.200 --> 00:26:59.200 podcasts, So yeah, there's always something to listen to, always something to 392 00:26:59.240 --> 00:27:03.720 find it weirding way, and yeah, my fingerprints are everywhere, but I 393 00:27:03.839 --> 00:27:07.240 tend to like to wipe them off so that it's less apparent how involved I 394 00:27:07.279 --> 00:27:14.359 am. I get that, Okay. So we talked about establishing the love 395 00:27:14.400 --> 00:27:17.200 for Indian cinema. What about just movies in general? Has that always been 396 00:27:17.240 --> 00:27:19.880 a thing for you. Yeah, I was one of those kids who could 397 00:27:19.960 --> 00:27:25.279 rattle off actor names from a young age. I don't know why it sticks 398 00:27:25.319 --> 00:27:30.160 out to me, but I remember watching Armageddon with my parents and some family 399 00:27:30.200 --> 00:27:36.720 friends, and Jason Isaacs is in that movie as like a random dude at 400 00:27:36.839 --> 00:27:41.000 NASA who's working with Billy Bob Thornton, and I remember saying, oh, 401 00:27:41.079 --> 00:27:44.839 that's I remember saying to my dad like, oh, that's the villain from 402 00:27:44.880 --> 00:27:48.039 The Patriot, because it is. And then it, you know, obviously, 403 00:27:48.079 --> 00:27:52.519 you know, it becomes Draco Malfoy's dad and Harry Potter. But I, 404 00:27:52.720 --> 00:27:56.039 for whatever reason, I just think of that like Jason Isaacs specifically. 405 00:27:56.079 --> 00:28:00.640 But I have always liked movies. It's one of those like core things of 406 00:28:00.680 --> 00:28:04.920 my being. You can see it because this is a fucking video thing. 407 00:28:06.359 --> 00:28:11.519 I mean, I have more. The decorations in my house are my house, 408 00:28:11.960 --> 00:28:17.079 my wife and I own are movies and movie posters or movie art or 409 00:28:17.279 --> 00:28:21.880 Mondo fucking posters that I spent way too much money on, or Mondo posters 410 00:28:21.920 --> 00:28:26.799 that you can't get anymore because they're too expensive, like a Bako Bonsye posters. 411 00:28:26.839 --> 00:28:30.680 So yeah, I am a movie person, like in a way that 412 00:28:32.160 --> 00:28:34.000 I'm sure you are, given the amount of physical media that you own. 413 00:28:34.400 --> 00:28:38.359 But yeah, movies. I don't remember what the first movie I ever saw 414 00:28:38.559 --> 00:28:42.440 was. It's I don't have that memory. I remember that I saw Independence 415 00:28:42.480 --> 00:28:47.200 Day in theaters. I remember I saw Apollo thirteen in theaters. I don't 416 00:28:47.200 --> 00:28:51.000 know if those are early enough to be considered first movie going experiences for me, 417 00:28:51.720 --> 00:28:53.759 but movies have been a part of my life since as long as I 418 00:28:53.759 --> 00:28:59.039 can remember. As Henry Hill would say, so, well, most of 419 00:28:59.039 --> 00:29:02.480 the time, I'm talking to two people that are already involved in physical media. 420 00:29:02.680 --> 00:29:06.839 I've never asked you this. How deeply entrenched are you in physical media? 421 00:29:07.000 --> 00:29:14.559 Uh? I'm on this. The Cassandra Cat, which was released by 422 00:29:14.640 --> 00:29:19.160 Keno Keno over second und Run in the last year. And then I'm also 423 00:29:19.440 --> 00:29:26.759 on All My Good Countrymen, which is another check new wave film. I 424 00:29:26.799 --> 00:29:27.960 think that was the second run film as well. So I've been on two 425 00:29:29.000 --> 00:29:36.240 commentaries, which the first commentary I recorded was in April or May of twenty 426 00:29:36.279 --> 00:29:40.680 twenty, and I got to do that thanks to Mike White, and that 427 00:29:41.160 --> 00:29:44.680 to me is crazy like that to me is like I've said it before and 428 00:29:44.680 --> 00:29:48.240 I say it again. I could die happy having been on a physical release 429 00:29:48.279 --> 00:29:53.319 of anything just too so far, but not anything that's like again or three. 430 00:29:53.519 --> 00:29:56.039 I guess the thing I'm the most proud of is being on the Culchak 431 00:29:56.119 --> 00:30:04.599 the Nightstalker Blue from Keno, which did come about because of well mine and 432 00:30:04.640 --> 00:30:08.759 Mike's involvement with Colchac Tapes. And shout out to Amanda Reyes for getting us 433 00:30:08.759 --> 00:30:12.839 that gig, who I know you've spoken with as well. So yeah, 434 00:30:12.960 --> 00:30:17.480 no Colchak and then some check new wave films, but the big one is 435 00:30:17.519 --> 00:30:21.519 the Colchack Blu ray for Sure, which came out last year or the year 436 00:30:21.559 --> 00:30:23.599 before. So Mike and I we did the Colchac Tape show. We covered 437 00:30:23.640 --> 00:30:29.319 the entire Colchak The Nightstalker run and the remake, and then I think it 438 00:30:29.359 --> 00:30:32.279 was like a year later they were like, you want to do a commentary 439 00:30:32.319 --> 00:30:36.079 and we were like, hell yeah, So I mean that's that was for 440 00:30:36.119 --> 00:30:38.559 me was always the kind of dream and I always joked about it with Mike 441 00:30:38.559 --> 00:30:41.480 and I think I said it on the Colchac tapes, like the goal for 442 00:30:41.559 --> 00:30:45.880 anybody doing any of these podcasts has got to be like being involved with the 443 00:30:45.920 --> 00:30:49.519 show coming back in some substantive way. I mean, Kumail nan Gianni was 444 00:30:49.599 --> 00:30:53.839 on the X Files because of his X Files podcast that helped revitalize interest in 445 00:30:53.839 --> 00:30:59.039 the X Files, so it's not impossible to think that could happen. I 446 00:30:59.079 --> 00:31:02.079 got what I would consider to be the next best thing, which is being 447 00:31:02.119 --> 00:31:07.160 part of a physical release for something I care a lot about. So yeah, 448 00:31:07.240 --> 00:31:10.759 it's it's not as many as I would like, but at least I 449 00:31:10.799 --> 00:31:14.759 have one that is something that I care about immensely. So the you know, 450 00:31:14.799 --> 00:31:17.640 the thing I would love to be on would be like a Good Fella's 451 00:31:17.839 --> 00:31:22.960 Blu ray, or or at the Freaked Blu Ray if it ever came if 452 00:31:23.000 --> 00:31:27.599 a free if a version of Freaked came out, that was a Blu ray 453 00:31:29.200 --> 00:31:33.440 that was a criterion. My I would I would do everything in my power 454 00:31:33.480 --> 00:31:36.880 to be on that Blu ray because that, for me is that's one of 455 00:31:36.920 --> 00:31:40.359 the one of the movies that I will trot out and say is my favorite 456 00:31:40.359 --> 00:31:44.559 movie if I know someone might actually know it. So wow, there was 457 00:31:44.680 --> 00:31:48.359 a Freaked Blu ray from Increbay that came out years ago, and now that 458 00:31:48.400 --> 00:31:52.400 thing, I think eBay damn and eBay prices on that are like one sixty 459 00:31:52.960 --> 00:31:56.039 something crazy. I have the DVD and I have the Blu Ray, but 460 00:31:56.319 --> 00:32:01.599 I was I was hoping that some body else would pick it up because that 461 00:32:01.839 --> 00:32:05.759 came out. I mean, it came out to Anchor Bay. So if 462 00:32:05.759 --> 00:32:08.240 that gives you anybody, right, if it gives you any idea when that 463 00:32:08.279 --> 00:32:12.039 came out, it came out so long ago that it was released by Anchor 464 00:32:12.079 --> 00:32:15.119 Bay. I bought it before I went to college, so that was like 465 00:32:15.119 --> 00:32:19.000 two thousand and seven, Like that's how long it's been out of print. 466 00:32:19.359 --> 00:32:23.039 But I have a Mondo poster of Freaked hanging in my hallway, so and 467 00:32:23.119 --> 00:32:30.519 I have on my laptop bag the Ricky Coogan pin that's essentially the poster. 468 00:32:30.000 --> 00:32:36.519 So I mean again, like you know, physical media is fantastic, and 469 00:32:36.640 --> 00:32:39.480 especially if you want to get involved with things that you love and being a 470 00:32:39.519 --> 00:32:45.279 part of it permanently. I don't think physical media is a bad option if 471 00:32:45.319 --> 00:32:49.599 you want to figure out a way to get involved with the movie making industry 472 00:32:50.240 --> 00:32:53.319 in a way that is easier than being on set. I think be a 473 00:32:53.680 --> 00:32:58.079 being someone who is knowledgeable about a movie and can speak to it on a 474 00:32:58.119 --> 00:33:02.240 commentary is a pretty nice feather in one's cap. How how was the commentary 475 00:33:02.240 --> 00:33:08.119 process for you? It didn't feel fairly natural because it was Mike how dare 476 00:33:08.200 --> 00:33:10.680 you? Yes? No, I mean, here's the thing. He he 477 00:33:10.839 --> 00:33:15.480 is the one who offered the opportunities to me. Well, the col check 478 00:33:15.519 --> 00:33:17.759 thing was someone else offering that to us. So that's kind of the weird 479 00:33:17.799 --> 00:33:23.319 one. But the other two it was essentially like like like recording an episode. 480 00:33:23.319 --> 00:33:28.559 I mean we sat watched the movie at the same time and talked about 481 00:33:28.559 --> 00:33:31.680 it while watching it, and I enjoyed it. I didn't do any of 482 00:33:31.720 --> 00:33:35.480 the back end work, thankfully. That was, like you mentioned, Mike 483 00:33:35.519 --> 00:33:38.559 White of the projection booth was doing all of that. Uh, it's different. 484 00:33:38.839 --> 00:33:43.240 I have edited my own commentary once we did. I did like a 485 00:33:43.279 --> 00:33:46.640 trial run on the Patreon for the Culture Cast. We did a commentary for 486 00:33:46.960 --> 00:33:52.880 Possession, the Andrezawalski film, which is a real fun movie. If you've 487 00:33:52.920 --> 00:33:58.519 never seen it, it's like, yeah, it's a real upper of a 488 00:33:58.599 --> 00:34:00.559 movie. Every time I watch it, I walk away from it going, 489 00:34:00.640 --> 00:34:05.039 man, what a fun movie that was. But we did that a couple 490 00:34:05.079 --> 00:34:07.119 of years ago, I want to say, during the Pandemic. We offered 491 00:34:07.119 --> 00:34:10.119 that as like a Patreon bonus, and I've thought about doing it like once 492 00:34:10.159 --> 00:34:14.679 a year just for shits and giggles, because it is fun. But it 493 00:34:14.760 --> 00:34:17.280 is also an exhausting kind of work that I'm not a huge fan of because 494 00:34:19.199 --> 00:34:23.639 the way you have to edit a commentary is it's a pain in the ass 495 00:34:23.679 --> 00:34:27.320 to put it that way, in terms of getting everything to line up and 496 00:34:27.320 --> 00:34:30.360 sync up and make sure that it works and flows the way you want it 497 00:34:30.400 --> 00:34:34.840 to while you're while you're watching the movie, and also not getting in the 498 00:34:34.840 --> 00:34:37.039 way of the movie. And there's a lot of things that go on to 499 00:34:37.119 --> 00:34:43.800 making a commentary work that you know, I'm not super privy to because again 500 00:34:43.800 --> 00:34:45.960 I didn't do much of the back end work, but it was fun. 501 00:34:45.079 --> 00:34:51.840 I would suggest if anybody is trying to get involved with the back end of 502 00:34:51.880 --> 00:34:53.519 movie making, This is a very easy way to do it, and a 503 00:34:53.639 --> 00:34:58.760 very I think economical way too. You don't really have to have a lie. 504 00:34:58.760 --> 00:35:00.719 You have to have a microphone and a comp to be able to do 505 00:35:00.760 --> 00:35:07.280 commentaries and something worth saying, an opinion or an idea worth contributing. Because 506 00:35:07.280 --> 00:35:10.320 again, ultimately, anything that anybody does in a commentary, it is effectively 507 00:35:10.360 --> 00:35:15.719 their opinion too, unless they're talking straight facts. So one of the easiest 508 00:35:15.719 --> 00:35:20.000 ways to make that worthwhile is a lot of films have never literally ever had 509 00:35:20.079 --> 00:35:22.960 anything analytical said about them, So take the time, do some research. 510 00:35:23.400 --> 00:35:28.599 Look at something from nineteen sixty eight that has never been on Blu ray or 511 00:35:28.599 --> 00:35:30.719 something, and take care of it. See if you can do some research 512 00:35:30.719 --> 00:35:35.280 and enough to talk about the entire runtime. Yeah. Yeah, And that's 513 00:35:35.320 --> 00:35:37.960 the other thing you don't have to like, you don't have to constantly be 514 00:35:37.119 --> 00:35:42.239 jabbering either, which is the other thing that I think again, like part 515 00:35:42.280 --> 00:35:45.599 of it is like letting the movie play and letting the movie do its thing. 516 00:35:45.840 --> 00:35:49.119 So I enjoy commentaries. I would like to do more of them, 517 00:35:49.119 --> 00:35:51.679 but I think that's what any of us would say is like I would like 518 00:35:51.719 --> 00:35:55.119 to be involved in more physical releases for sure. Frankly, what I would 519 00:35:55.239 --> 00:36:00.960 like is to have a company that would allow me to release things physically that 520 00:36:00.039 --> 00:36:04.239 I would want to release. But I mean that's what you're doing, so 521 00:36:04.840 --> 00:36:07.920 and then I mean again, you know, production company, podcast network. 522 00:36:08.039 --> 00:36:14.079 Any of those terms are interchangeable with what I'm doing with everybody at weirding Way, 523 00:36:14.079 --> 00:36:16.920 because I would like it to be less just podcasts and more other things, 524 00:36:16.960 --> 00:36:23.480 because not saying podcasts don't have an infinite ceiling, but audio only does 525 00:36:23.519 --> 00:36:28.599 have an infinite ceiling. Unfortunately, so well, and a lot of people 526 00:36:28.760 --> 00:36:30.960 still just playing don't ever listen to podcasts. That's the other hard part. 527 00:36:31.480 --> 00:36:35.400 I know, I know people want to watch stuff. I get it, 528 00:36:35.480 --> 00:36:39.480 like I get it. I get those comments on the YouTube episodes of the 529 00:36:39.519 --> 00:36:45.360 podcast that get posted on you know, automatically through spreaker, and the comments 530 00:36:45.360 --> 00:36:50.400 of like where's the movie? It's like not here, obviously, like this 531 00:36:50.519 --> 00:36:54.119 is a podcast episode. Nobody ever promised you. You know, we're talking, 532 00:36:54.320 --> 00:36:58.440 we're going to show you the movie, we're talking about it. So 533 00:36:59.159 --> 00:37:05.639 yeah, I I I don't know. Sometimes I guess the expectations are a 534 00:37:05.679 --> 00:37:08.239 little off. But yeah, audio only does seem to have a little bit 535 00:37:08.280 --> 00:37:14.079 of a ceiling to it, for sure, But it helps when you have 536 00:37:14.599 --> 00:37:19.280 nineteen different tentacles reaching out to different show good job, right, Yeah, 537 00:37:19.360 --> 00:37:22.480 yeah, well that's the thing. I mean, when you start a podcast 538 00:37:22.519 --> 00:37:25.760 network, you want to find the show that is going to be the show, 539 00:37:27.239 --> 00:37:29.280 and you already mentioned it. It's Mike's show. I mean, like 540 00:37:29.280 --> 00:37:31.559 I said the projection booth, not to downplay the quality of my show or 541 00:37:31.559 --> 00:37:36.199 the things that I work on, but I work on plenty of projects and 542 00:37:36.239 --> 00:37:38.840 I bring an intensity to them that I always bring. Mike has an intensity 543 00:37:38.840 --> 00:37:45.039 for a singular project, and that is that's like a nuclear warhead with a 544 00:37:45.079 --> 00:37:49.800 guided laser on it, like it's going to always go exactly where you want 545 00:37:49.800 --> 00:37:52.559 it to. And that's Mike's expectations. He wants to dig deep, as 546 00:37:52.679 --> 00:37:57.679 far down as you can to get as much information because, like we've mentioned, 547 00:37:58.840 --> 00:38:01.559 it's time and efforts that other people don't have to do. Right, 548 00:38:02.039 --> 00:38:07.960 you're giving them your synthesis of it. And to Mike's credit, he doesn't 549 00:38:07.000 --> 00:38:12.199 get in the way of the synthesis. He synthesizes it and then gives his 550 00:38:12.280 --> 00:38:15.599 opinion, which I think is the more important thing about being a commentator on 551 00:38:15.719 --> 00:38:22.159 movies or analyzing movies or critiquing movies is my feelings and the movie itself and 552 00:38:22.280 --> 00:38:25.719 keeping those things separate, and in this day and age of subjectivity and objectivity's 553 00:38:25.719 --> 00:38:30.679 line being essentially destroyed, being cognizant of it, I think, and I 554 00:38:30.719 --> 00:38:35.000 think you would agree, is something that is important now, Like, this 555 00:38:35.159 --> 00:38:38.719 is my opinion, right, but the movie is objectively not good. Also 556 00:38:39.000 --> 00:38:43.559 like that those are two separate statements that can be made so well. And 557 00:38:43.639 --> 00:38:47.719 I think you and I both seem to have some sort of skill in that, 558 00:38:47.760 --> 00:38:51.800 because it goes back to something we talked about earlier already, which is 559 00:38:51.800 --> 00:38:55.079 about that empathy. When watching some of these movies, you understand that you're 560 00:38:55.119 --> 00:39:00.440 watching different cultures. You understand that you are embracing film from a different time, 561 00:39:00.639 --> 00:39:04.800 from a different mindset than you are used to in those around you are 562 00:39:04.880 --> 00:39:08.880 used to. And that's where things like people not watching with captions I got 563 00:39:08.920 --> 00:39:13.760 a little less patients for because you're kind of showing you don't have that empathy 564 00:39:15.000 --> 00:39:20.880 and you don't have the drive to engage on a larger stage than just Western 565 00:39:20.920 --> 00:39:24.880 movies, right, Western movies. I'm not saying they're bad, but it 566 00:39:24.960 --> 00:39:29.719 all feels very one note after a while, and when someone does something different 567 00:39:29.760 --> 00:39:34.440 we applaud them. But it's few and far between where anyone is really doing 568 00:39:34.480 --> 00:39:38.000 anything novel and groundbreaking anymore because everything has been done. I mean, I'm 569 00:39:38.000 --> 00:39:44.000 not trying to bemoan, it's just the reality. It's true. It is 570 00:39:44.079 --> 00:39:49.199 true. Well, we kind of were all leading up to this big discussion 571 00:39:49.679 --> 00:39:52.119 about found footage, and this was your idea. So I got to find 572 00:39:52.119 --> 00:39:59.079 out why found footage I I actually let me ask you, what is your 573 00:39:59.239 --> 00:40:02.920 perception? What is your perception of other people's perception of found footage? Like, 574 00:40:04.039 --> 00:40:07.960 what do you think most people hate? Okay, I would agree with 575 00:40:07.000 --> 00:40:13.559 that sentiment. I don't hate it. Nah. I'm not saying it's like 576 00:40:13.679 --> 00:40:17.840 my favorite thing of all time far well maybe not far from it, But 577 00:40:19.599 --> 00:40:23.480 I feel like, for me, found footage is a weird thing that has 578 00:40:23.639 --> 00:40:29.639 so many different directions that it can go that it's you know, at times, 579 00:40:29.679 --> 00:40:32.719 gorilla filmmaking at times, cinema verity at times, it's both. At 580 00:40:32.760 --> 00:40:37.199 times it's neither of those things. Yeah, but yet it's all in that 581 00:40:37.280 --> 00:40:40.920 same umbrella term of found footage. I don't know what it is about found 582 00:40:40.920 --> 00:40:45.960 footage. I think found footage has been something I've always kind of been into 583 00:40:46.000 --> 00:40:51.679 subconsciously. And when I think back on the things that like really got me 584 00:40:51.800 --> 00:40:54.039 animated back in the day, or things that I was like going out of 585 00:40:54.039 --> 00:40:59.480 my way to track down a lot if it was found footage. So and 586 00:40:59.800 --> 00:41:02.440 I some of the things I remember watching as a teenager that really, like 587 00:41:02.480 --> 00:41:08.000 I said, really not set me off but definitely catalyzed opinions within me that 588 00:41:08.039 --> 00:41:14.119 I have not really not changed, but they've only grown more complex. But 589 00:41:14.159 --> 00:41:17.559 there's still the core idea started with something like a found footage movie that came 590 00:41:17.559 --> 00:41:22.480 out in two thousand and seven, two thousand and eight, Yeah, a 591 00:41:22.480 --> 00:41:27.840 pretty big found footage movie that came out in that span of time. So 592 00:41:28.719 --> 00:41:31.480 uh yeah. I think there's a couple that most people tend to be like, 593 00:41:31.719 --> 00:41:35.840 this one is pretty good, and then the rest they're like, oh, 594 00:41:35.960 --> 00:41:37.960 it's a gimmick that makes it awful, and why didn't they put the 595 00:41:38.000 --> 00:41:42.800 camera down? Why didn't they put the camera down? Which is a fair 596 00:41:42.880 --> 00:41:46.199 fucking question, Like if you can get over the hump of why haven't you 597 00:41:46.199 --> 00:41:50.679 put the camera down in the first five minutes of your found footage movie. 598 00:41:51.599 --> 00:41:53.800 You're off to a pretty good start. But if you can't ever answer that 599 00:41:53.880 --> 00:42:00.119 question, then the audience is just going to keep asking. Yeah, that 600 00:42:00.559 --> 00:42:02.440 is true, And I think there's a lot of them, especially in the 601 00:42:02.519 --> 00:42:07.320 last ten to fifteen years, that have lended pretty well to that answer. 602 00:42:07.400 --> 00:42:12.400 It seems like a lot of people are making these in a way that they're 603 00:42:12.440 --> 00:42:17.639 building an answer in for that question, right. It's part of the framing 604 00:42:17.679 --> 00:42:22.280 device as opposed to a gimmick. And you know, I'm not going to 605 00:42:22.320 --> 00:42:30.360 blame or in Pelly, but paranormal activity ushered in a wave of things that 606 00:42:30.840 --> 00:42:37.840 were not as good as paranormal activity. And paranormal activity one is fine. 607 00:42:38.039 --> 00:42:42.760 I like it, just fine, But I mean again, in a lot 608 00:42:42.760 --> 00:42:45.320 of ways, it's like the first Saw movie, like could we just have 609 00:42:45.400 --> 00:42:49.400 it be that thing? And it doesn't need to be another ten things? 610 00:42:49.880 --> 00:42:52.559 Not that I'm complaining about Sauce Saw five or six, which everyone has Peter 611 00:42:52.639 --> 00:42:55.480 Outerbridge and it is probably my favorite Sauce. So you have to get through 612 00:42:55.480 --> 00:43:00.480 four other ones to get there. But I don't know the plot contry vanceys 613 00:43:00.480 --> 00:43:06.119 and found footage seemed to be so obvious unless they're going out of their way 614 00:43:06.159 --> 00:43:08.280 to deal with it. That like, it's hard to ignore how contrived found 615 00:43:08.280 --> 00:43:13.280 footage can be. The worst found footage, the best found footage, Yeah, 616 00:43:13.400 --> 00:43:15.119 just makes it part of it and you're not sitting there going, well, 617 00:43:15.119 --> 00:43:21.079 why is it the way that it is? So I think the more 618 00:43:21.119 --> 00:43:23.400 we talk about found footage, the more people will realize how much they actually 619 00:43:23.559 --> 00:43:28.559 enjoy it and how much they don't hate it. But it is also a 620 00:43:28.679 --> 00:43:31.519 genre that is very easy to hate. For me, found footage is the 621 00:43:31.559 --> 00:43:37.199 equivalent like a found footage movies are like we WI games. Yeah, you 622 00:43:37.199 --> 00:43:40.960 remember the we the Nintendo or you remember how all those games were just coming 623 00:43:40.960 --> 00:43:45.039 out for the Weed that nobody had ever heard of, you know, Jerry 624 00:43:45.400 --> 00:43:49.639 and Nitas, Rice's Dog Football, Like, who's playing this? Who is 625 00:43:49.679 --> 00:43:54.440 this for? It's super cheap being made on a low budget, Like that's 626 00:43:54.480 --> 00:43:59.039 found footage For a lot of people. Found footage is a cheap, crappy 627 00:43:59.119 --> 00:44:05.320 movie that is being made cheaply because they can't afford any of the budgetary needs 628 00:44:05.320 --> 00:44:08.760 to make a movie that seems interesting or has a point to it. I 629 00:44:08.800 --> 00:44:12.960 remember when I was in high school talking with a friend of mine and us 630 00:44:13.000 --> 00:44:15.320 being like, we should do a found footage movie. We could film it 631 00:44:15.360 --> 00:44:20.760 on our phones. Yeah, I mean, that's the benefit of found footage 632 00:44:20.760 --> 00:44:22.960 is you can film it on your phone. And because you're filming it on 633 00:44:22.000 --> 00:44:25.199 your phone, and the expectation is this is footage from my phone. You 634 00:44:25.199 --> 00:44:28.960 don't have to do anything with it. It can just be footage from your 635 00:44:28.960 --> 00:44:32.159 phone. But then you watch movies that are just footage from your phone and 636 00:44:32.199 --> 00:44:36.599 they're not so I mean, again, it's a little bit of column A, 637 00:44:36.599 --> 00:44:40.039 a little bit of column B. I think the allusion to the Wei 638 00:44:40.199 --> 00:44:44.159 games there is maybe the most apt thing I've heard about found footage, because 639 00:44:44.199 --> 00:44:49.599 a lot of those they are kind of historically built on these engines. They're 640 00:44:49.639 --> 00:44:53.880 basically a foundation for a game that they put a different skin on and they 641 00:44:53.920 --> 00:44:57.599 call it a day, and it's super cheap to do because all the technology 642 00:44:57.639 --> 00:45:01.079 is already there found footage. The shitty ones have all been that exact same 643 00:45:01.119 --> 00:45:07.360 way. They put a different not even unique, like a different branch of 644 00:45:07.719 --> 00:45:13.719 a genre over this this this skeleton and call it today and say it's the 645 00:45:13.760 --> 00:45:16.760 exact same thing, and it fails miraculously. But a lot of people have 646 00:45:16.840 --> 00:45:22.559 seen some of those shitty ones and it totally colors their opinion on all of 647 00:45:22.599 --> 00:45:25.920 them. Which there's some really great ones out there there are. And you 648 00:45:25.960 --> 00:45:30.199 know I mentioned oron Pelly and you know, blaming or in Pelly orin Pelly 649 00:45:30.239 --> 00:45:37.440 attempted to do his own thing after Paranormal Activity, and on the Culture Cast, 650 00:45:37.480 --> 00:45:42.000 you and I just talked about No One Will Save You Area fifty one 651 00:45:43.639 --> 00:45:47.400 not a good movie. And again, but it's the guy who directed Paranormal 652 00:45:47.440 --> 00:45:52.400 Activity, the movie that ushered in kind of the I would say second wave 653 00:45:52.880 --> 00:45:59.159 found footage, third wave of found footage movies. Really even his movie wasn't 654 00:45:59.159 --> 00:46:02.400 successful. So it's like it is so like found footage is ultimately lightning in 655 00:46:02.440 --> 00:46:08.280 the bottle too. Like I know why Paranormal Activity was successful, But you 656 00:46:08.280 --> 00:46:10.599 know, you can't just do the same gimmick over and over again. And 657 00:46:10.599 --> 00:46:15.960 that's what the problem with Paranormal Activity and all those movies similar to it are. 658 00:46:16.559 --> 00:46:21.639 You cannot do the same thing and expect people to be as as engaged 659 00:46:21.679 --> 00:46:24.679 as they were the first time. Paranormal Activity one is a better movie than 660 00:46:24.719 --> 00:46:29.039 anything that came after it, because it was just its own thing. It 661 00:46:29.119 --> 00:46:32.000 was novel, it was unique, and then they did it a million Moore 662 00:46:32.079 --> 00:46:37.880 times and it stopped being novel and unique, and it just started being diminishing 663 00:46:37.920 --> 00:46:40.719 returns. But one might say, because it's paranormal activity two, three, 664 00:46:40.719 --> 00:46:44.719 four, five, six, and seven, I think the people that it's 665 00:46:44.760 --> 00:46:46.239 being made for are the people that were already there, and they're not really 666 00:46:46.239 --> 00:46:51.960 trying to get anybody new to be involved, which in and of itself is 667 00:46:52.000 --> 00:46:55.639 also kind of a problem. Yeah, completely agree. Well, let's get 668 00:46:55.679 --> 00:47:00.000 into a list. We decided to do a top seven. We're both gonna 669 00:47:00.880 --> 00:47:05.119 go through these that are Again we're not saying these are the best necessarily, 670 00:47:05.199 --> 00:47:09.280 but like seven favorites, we'll say. I'm sure you could argue many films 671 00:47:09.280 --> 00:47:13.800 are better than some of the ones I'm gonna mention, But I happen to 672 00:47:13.800 --> 00:47:16.079 have a handful of honorable mentions, so I'm sure we can talk about some 673 00:47:16.119 --> 00:47:20.599 of those after that we both appreciate. So, as you are the guest, 674 00:47:20.800 --> 00:47:23.960 let's hear what you have in at your number seven. So just want 675 00:47:24.000 --> 00:47:27.519 to point this out for you, as you just kind of mentioned it. 676 00:47:27.599 --> 00:47:31.480 I have. There's no order to this list. It is just seven movies 677 00:47:31.519 --> 00:47:38.039 I think worth checking out. So the value of the value of these are 678 00:47:38.039 --> 00:47:42.559 not determined by any number. If yours are cool, I mean, I 679 00:47:42.639 --> 00:47:46.039 just I don't know. I'm I'm about the same way. Yeah yeah, 680 00:47:46.360 --> 00:47:50.960 yeah, okay. So the first one I want to mention, I think 681 00:47:51.119 --> 00:47:59.039 is one worth talking about, primarily because I think of the amount of influence 682 00:47:59.079 --> 00:48:02.719 it would end up having on genre. Cannibal Holocaust, which I know is 683 00:48:02.760 --> 00:48:07.000 a controversial pick. Like, don't get me wrong, I mean an animal 684 00:48:07.159 --> 00:48:12.000 is several animals are killed in that movie for real, which, similarly to 685 00:48:12.079 --> 00:48:15.480 cock Fighter, I don't think people are interested in seeing that anymore. However, 686 00:48:16.760 --> 00:48:22.920 if you want to see where the found footage genre came from, Cannibal 687 00:48:22.920 --> 00:48:29.440 Holocaust is a very good starting place. Is it a great movie? Is 688 00:48:29.480 --> 00:48:32.880 it a movie? Like I don't know, Like what it's trying to do 689 00:48:34.239 --> 00:48:37.239 is so different from some of the other movies that I'm going to be mentioning 690 00:48:37.320 --> 00:48:42.840 that. I love the framing device. I love that it's a movie about 691 00:48:42.880 --> 00:48:45.559 the people that found the footage of the people that were sent to the jungle. 692 00:48:46.239 --> 00:48:51.440 So again, it's that found footage. The footage is literally being found, 693 00:48:52.039 --> 00:48:55.039 so you have to draw conclusions immediately about the people in the footage. 694 00:48:55.400 --> 00:49:00.320 But I love everything about Cannibal Holocaust other than the animal murder. But again, 695 00:49:00.360 --> 00:49:06.639 I understand why they did it, because they were trying to really be 696 00:49:06.800 --> 00:49:12.840 exploitative and shocking. And Ruggerio Dodado got taken to Italian court because they thought 697 00:49:12.840 --> 00:49:16.519 that he actually killed the people that he made the movie with. So again, 698 00:49:16.639 --> 00:49:21.159 like, I don't think you can overlook Cannibal Holocaust. I don't think 699 00:49:21.199 --> 00:49:23.599 it's necessarily the most important thing to check out in twenty twenty three, but 700 00:49:24.159 --> 00:49:30.199 it is where a lot of this started, and as some of the most 701 00:49:30.360 --> 00:49:35.159 iconic scenes in the genre by far. And that music yeah, boom boom 702 00:49:35.400 --> 00:49:38.880 boo boo, it's like seared in my memory from the first time I watched 703 00:49:38.880 --> 00:49:44.039 it in two thousand and seven, around the same time I watched Solo or 704 00:49:44.079 --> 00:49:47.239 one hundred and twenty Days of Sodom. So yeah, which will not be 705 00:49:47.320 --> 00:49:52.559 on this list for fucking a damn, I know what a shame, right, 706 00:49:54.480 --> 00:50:00.280 Yeah, Cannibal Holocaust is a it's it's good. I'm not gonna say 707 00:50:00.280 --> 00:50:04.719 it's not good. I think it's well made. I think Raguiro Diodado had 708 00:50:04.760 --> 00:50:08.039 better films in him that he eventually got out. But for the genre, 709 00:50:08.880 --> 00:50:15.400 this is literally probably the most important. And many others will point to something 710 00:50:15.559 --> 00:50:17.760 in the nineties and say that it's much more important, but no, this 711 00:50:17.960 --> 00:50:22.480 is where it all starts. And without this, uh, you know, 712 00:50:22.480 --> 00:50:24.599 you got to have a top of the lineage somewhere, and this is a 713 00:50:24.800 --> 00:50:29.880 really great beginning. Yeah, And we should point out that there are some 714 00:50:29.960 --> 00:50:35.320 other movies that are considered found footage, but they're not horror movies. And 715 00:50:35.360 --> 00:50:39.719 if we're talking, I mean found footage seems to be a horror movie exclusive 716 00:50:39.760 --> 00:50:45.440 thing. It's not. There are other movies that are not horror movies that 717 00:50:45.599 --> 00:50:52.320 are found footage, but horror seems to be the raison detra of found footage 718 00:50:52.360 --> 00:50:55.559 for sure. So what about you give lay one on me? I want 719 00:50:55.559 --> 00:50:59.840 to I want to hear one of yours. Uh, one of mine seems 720 00:50:59.840 --> 00:51:01.760 to finally beginning a little bit of love. I feel like it has gone 721 00:51:01.840 --> 00:51:05.880 under the radar since it's the leastus. How many are we gonna have? 722 00:51:06.039 --> 00:51:07.599 We need to we need to guess here, how many are we going to 723 00:51:07.639 --> 00:51:13.519 have that are crossovers. You think, I'm curious here, I'm gonna say 724 00:51:14.039 --> 00:51:17.719 three. Okay, but you have a list of how many technically have a 725 00:51:17.760 --> 00:51:22.079 list of eleven, but I'm gonna I'm just gonna do the top seven that 726 00:51:22.119 --> 00:51:24.039 I said, are these are my seven favorites? Okay, okay, but 727 00:51:24.079 --> 00:51:28.000 I want to Holocaust is not on that list, so okay, I want 728 00:51:28.000 --> 00:51:30.079 to hear your honorable mention as well. I'm just I think we'll probably have 729 00:51:30.679 --> 00:51:37.159 three crossovers, maybe maybe very interesting. So uh yeah, this first one 730 00:51:37.239 --> 00:51:40.039 quite overlooked at the beginning. I think this one sort of started to take 731 00:51:40.039 --> 00:51:44.760 off because of Netflix if I remember right, which uh not the best way 732 00:51:44.800 --> 00:51:46.679 to see this. I think this is a very good theater movie, and 733 00:51:46.719 --> 00:51:52.039 I want to throw out as above, so below, Oh my god, 734 00:51:52.199 --> 00:51:57.440 my friend, not a crossover? Good? But does that mean you hate 735 00:51:57.480 --> 00:52:04.079 it? Okay? Good? No. I am actually a huge fan of 736 00:52:04.239 --> 00:52:09.760 the Dowdles for a number of reasons that we will get too soon. I 737 00:52:09.800 --> 00:52:15.079 am a huge fan of the Dowdles. I am a huge fan of as 738 00:52:15.119 --> 00:52:19.280 above, so below. I think it's a movie that does deserve a lot 739 00:52:19.320 --> 00:52:22.719 more praise than it has got. And I think if we're talking about like 740 00:52:23.360 --> 00:52:28.639 a movie that has a lot to say but doesn't necessarily let what it's trying 741 00:52:28.639 --> 00:52:30.280 to say get in the way of being an entertaining movie, yes, I 742 00:52:30.280 --> 00:52:34.960 think it also works on that level as well. Yeah, so this one 743 00:52:35.119 --> 00:52:38.440 the primary reason that I go back to this movie is one because of the 744 00:52:38.480 --> 00:52:44.039 setting, and I think that is what gives this sort of some panache over 745 00:52:44.079 --> 00:52:47.599 the rest of the found footage films that you would normally reach for. The 746 00:52:49.119 --> 00:52:52.079 individuals that are in this movie that are filming this as a found footage movie, 747 00:52:52.360 --> 00:52:58.599 they enter what is literally an open cave that people go urban exploring it. 748 00:52:58.599 --> 00:53:01.119 It is an actual place that you can go see and filmed in the 749 00:53:01.119 --> 00:53:07.159 catacombs in a way that is actually pretty terrifying, done in a way that 750 00:53:07.239 --> 00:53:13.679 you could envision yourself through this shaky cam footage of a fan footage scenario of 751 00:53:13.719 --> 00:53:16.400 you being in that situation and being scared out of your mind. And I 752 00:53:16.480 --> 00:53:19.400 spent a lot of time, As you mentioned earlier, I grew up in 753 00:53:19.440 --> 00:53:22.960 southern California. I grew up about five or six miles away from a literal 754 00:53:23.440 --> 00:53:29.519 old mining ghost town and in the hills around there there are tons of old 755 00:53:29.719 --> 00:53:34.119 silver mines that you can still go into and see the remnants of the way 756 00:53:34.119 --> 00:53:38.239 that they do these And it is terrifying to be one hundred and fifty feet 757 00:53:38.280 --> 00:53:43.639 deep into this mine that you can't see any light if you turn off your 758 00:53:43.639 --> 00:53:45.639 flashlight. You can't see your hand in front of your face. And you 759 00:53:45.719 --> 00:53:51.639 hear some scurrying and it happens because it's the frickin' desert. So you hear 760 00:53:51.880 --> 00:53:55.880 a kangaroo rat, or you hear some stupid little bug, that something happens. 761 00:53:55.920 --> 00:54:00.079 And this movie gets a lot of that done so well that you are 762 00:54:00.239 --> 00:54:06.039 just immersed into this one. I'm so glad you mentioned this movie. This 763 00:54:06.159 --> 00:54:10.119 is a movie that, yeah, I think it's gotten forgotten, but I 764 00:54:10.159 --> 00:54:14.719 mean again, like the mid two thousand, the mid tens were like the 765 00:54:14.960 --> 00:54:19.079 zumping ground for found footage movies, Like that's that's the thing. Like so 766 00:54:19.239 --> 00:54:22.280 many of the movies that like I overlooked and had no intention of putting on 767 00:54:22.320 --> 00:54:30.000 the list are from ten to twenty. Uh yeah, I mean fucking Paranormal 768 00:54:30.039 --> 00:54:36.960 activity really punched everybody in the face. And two thousand, I mean two 769 00:54:37.000 --> 00:54:40.440 thousand and seven is where we're we're talking here, right, because you know 770 00:54:40.480 --> 00:54:45.320 two thousand and sevens paranormal activity and then what as above so below is seven 771 00:54:45.400 --> 00:54:47.800 years later something like that. Yeah, smack dab in the middle of this 772 00:54:47.920 --> 00:54:54.119 huge trend that is now going on of found footage coming back. And so 773 00:54:54.360 --> 00:55:00.800 for me, the thing about as above so below is it's their second crack 774 00:55:01.280 --> 00:55:07.199 at found footage. Yep. So I'll take this opportunity to mention one of 775 00:55:07.199 --> 00:55:09.000 mine, and it's a movie that I have been a fan of since the 776 00:55:09.039 --> 00:55:12.719 first time I saw it. I'll be this guy for once. I hate 777 00:55:12.760 --> 00:55:16.880 doing this shit. I loved the Poughkeepsie tapes long before anybody cared about it. 778 00:55:17.320 --> 00:55:23.360 I got to interview the Doubtle Brothers and Stacy Schabowski on my show six 779 00:55:23.440 --> 00:55:27.480 ' ten. However, many fucking years ago. It was now wow, 780 00:55:28.159 --> 00:55:30.960 the three of them at the same time, after I had already done an 781 00:55:30.000 --> 00:55:34.760 interview with Stacy Schabowski, and I was like, hey, I had reached 782 00:55:34.800 --> 00:55:37.199 out to your husband, who is one of the Toutle brothers, and I 783 00:55:37.280 --> 00:55:39.119 never heard anything back from his agent, and she was like, oh, 784 00:55:39.159 --> 00:55:42.360 I'll put in the good word. So I got to speak to the three 785 00:55:42.400 --> 00:55:45.639 of them Wow on the record, long before the Blu ray came out, 786 00:55:45.880 --> 00:55:51.599 long before the movie even got released. So I said, I normally I 787 00:55:51.719 --> 00:55:53.639 never pull that kind of card, but this is one of those movies that 788 00:55:53.679 --> 00:55:59.880 I have I feel like I personally have a lot of like love for even 789 00:56:00.119 --> 00:56:04.039 though it is probably of all the movies I'm going to mention the hardest one 790 00:56:04.239 --> 00:56:08.840 to suggest because it is the most off putting for a number of reasons. 791 00:56:09.079 --> 00:56:13.800 But I also think it's a movie that if it come out now, people 792 00:56:13.800 --> 00:56:19.320 will be going fucking ape shit over. Yeah, not just like hyper ape 793 00:56:19.320 --> 00:56:22.880 shit, but like people the scariest movie of the year, you know, 794 00:56:22.960 --> 00:56:30.199 really what four presents Like That is the level of what I personally feel the 795 00:56:30.199 --> 00:56:36.599 Poughkeepsie Tapes offers is a unsettling look at something that so many people are like, 796 00:56:36.679 --> 00:56:39.360 Oh, I love the Dahmer Show, not if you actually had to 797 00:56:39.400 --> 00:56:44.960 see it from the perspective of the person you know. So Poughkeepsie Tapes for 798 00:56:45.000 --> 00:56:46.480 me is a big one. And if you don't know what Poughkeepsie Tapes is, 799 00:56:46.519 --> 00:56:57.519 it's a found footage mockumentary kind of that uses talking heads style interviews along 800 00:56:57.599 --> 00:57:02.199 with found footage to talk about a serial killer that existed in Poughkeepsie, New 801 00:57:02.280 --> 00:57:09.360 York specifically supposedly not real obviously, but the movie is presenting itself as real. 802 00:57:09.480 --> 00:57:13.519 And I will say very little else because it's one of those movies that 803 00:57:14.559 --> 00:57:16.679 deserves to be watched. And you know, it's only been six years since 804 00:57:16.719 --> 00:57:22.440 it got released on Blu ray, right, it was from two thousand and 805 00:57:22.480 --> 00:57:29.800 seven, and it didn't get released on Blu Ray until twenty seventeen. And 806 00:57:29.840 --> 00:57:32.320 it was like a calling card for the doubtles behind the scenes, because people 807 00:57:32.360 --> 00:57:37.000 in the industry knew about it and had seen it and would like talk to 808 00:57:37.039 --> 00:57:39.519 them about it, but there was no way for anyone to watch it legally. 809 00:57:40.000 --> 00:57:43.679 Like the version that I saw when we did the podcast on it in 810 00:57:43.760 --> 00:57:50.360 twenty fifteen was the rip that had come off of was it direct TV, 811 00:57:50.599 --> 00:57:54.039 the vod direct TV rip. Yeah. So it's a movie that I don't 812 00:57:54.079 --> 00:57:59.920 know you've seen it, right, This is where I'm gonna lose a car 813 00:58:00.199 --> 00:58:05.119 here, So I've not seen it all the way through issue. I've had 814 00:58:05.119 --> 00:58:08.239 a couple of the scenes spoiled. It has been played in like the one 815 00:58:08.320 --> 00:58:12.840 hundred most shocking scenes that you'll see whatever and I've had a couple of the 816 00:58:12.880 --> 00:58:15.480 scenes and it takes that power away, so I haven't like I'm trying to 817 00:58:15.519 --> 00:58:20.280 give it time to completely forget what I've seen so I can go into it 818 00:58:20.280 --> 00:58:24.000 fliplied. Yeah, I mean I would, Yeah, is it? Is 819 00:58:24.000 --> 00:58:27.239 it? Yeah? It is a movie that we well, I would say 820 00:58:27.239 --> 00:58:31.159 it would it would be better if you knew less, But I get it. 821 00:58:31.159 --> 00:58:34.639 It's a It's a movie for me that like I said, I definitely 822 00:58:34.719 --> 00:58:38.800 am am a huge proponent of pushing your film limits as a viewer, and 823 00:58:38.800 --> 00:58:42.599 the Poughkeepsie Tapes is a very good way to push your limits as a film 824 00:58:42.679 --> 00:58:46.159 viewer because it is relentless. It is a relentless movie from start to finish, 825 00:58:46.320 --> 00:58:51.480 and similarly to like the best kinds of icky horror movies like a Texas 826 00:58:51.559 --> 00:58:55.679 Chainsaw Massacre or a Martyrs it doesn't pull any punches and I appreciate that. 827 00:58:55.719 --> 00:58:58.719 And there are a couple of scenes in that movie that, even when I 828 00:58:58.760 --> 00:59:00.400 watch them them, like, you know, if I could just do this 829 00:59:00.760 --> 00:59:05.000 one thing as well as they've done it, I would die a happy person. 830 00:59:05.320 --> 00:59:08.320 Because there are some scenes in that movie that are so effective you forget 831 00:59:08.320 --> 00:59:14.920 that these are you know, first time filmmakers essentially, Yeah, I know, 832 00:59:15.000 --> 00:59:16.400 I need to watch it. It's probably about that time. It's been 833 00:59:16.400 --> 00:59:21.039 some years since I've had it spoiled, so it's around. It's a goodie 834 00:59:21.079 --> 00:59:24.599 and they're they're Waco TV show also fantastic. I have not seen that one. 835 00:59:24.639 --> 00:59:29.079 I need to need to watch that. Yeah, okay, so this 836 00:59:29.159 --> 00:59:30.559 is the first one. I'm kind of worried might be a crossover. And 837 00:59:30.960 --> 00:59:36.760 kay, I'm really eager to take us back to the year of two thousand 838 00:59:36.760 --> 00:59:43.000 and seven and really highlight the film of the year. Oh god, the 839 00:59:43.280 --> 00:59:45.880 best film, the best found footage film of the year. I'll go that 840 00:59:45.920 --> 00:59:47.719 far. I won't say the best film of the year. The acting in 841 00:59:47.760 --> 00:59:55.280 this is incredible, So we probably should talk about Reck. Okay, not 842 00:59:55.280 --> 01:00:00.519 not a crossover on my list. Good I've never even I've actually never even 843 01:00:00.559 --> 01:00:06.079 seen it. I've seen Quarantine. It is much better than Quarantine. Jennifer 844 01:00:06.119 --> 01:00:09.039 Carpenter is not a great actress, is it? Nfer? Is it? 845 01:00:09.079 --> 01:00:13.519 Jennifer is the chick from Dexter? No, that sounds right. Okay, 846 01:00:13.679 --> 01:00:17.559 let me see so Reck two thousand and seven the actress and this is Manuela 847 01:00:17.559 --> 01:00:22.760 of Alasco, and she is genuinely amazing. She is somebody that you are 848 01:00:22.880 --> 01:00:29.280 able to empathize with immediately. She plays a It is Jennifer Carpenter. She 849 01:00:29.400 --> 01:00:32.559 plays a news TV reporter that is going to this apartment building. Something happens 850 01:00:32.599 --> 01:00:39.159 outside and they are locked inside, essentially under quarantine in this single location. 851 01:00:39.760 --> 01:00:44.360 Done in a way that they're they're going to get multiple locations out of shooting 852 01:00:44.360 --> 01:00:46.440 in a single location, so you have multiple floors, you're going to different 853 01:00:46.440 --> 01:00:52.480 people's apartments. This has some of the most unique shots in found footage that 854 01:00:52.559 --> 01:00:57.679 you will ever find. They get jump scares out of you that are actually 855 01:00:57.800 --> 01:01:05.400 terrifying because it is using the found footage format to its nearly its peak. 856 01:01:05.440 --> 01:01:09.320 I would say doing the entire like handheld shaky cam. This is maybe the 857 01:01:09.320 --> 01:01:13.679 peak of it for me, because it is shot in a way where you 858 01:01:13.880 --> 01:01:19.639 are in a dark apartment and because your vision is obscured by somebody turning. 859 01:01:20.400 --> 01:01:22.360 There's always something around every corner that can scare the hell out of you. 860 01:01:22.719 --> 01:01:29.280 And it is so well acted that everything feels earnest in this movie done really 861 01:01:29.280 --> 01:01:31.039 well. Won't get into too many spoilers, but if you've never seen it. 862 01:01:31.079 --> 01:01:36.519 This is certainly want to seek out. I have not seen it, 863 01:01:36.559 --> 01:01:40.239 and I almost feel ashamed I haven't seen it that I've only seen the American 864 01:01:40.280 --> 01:01:46.760 remake, which I think probably increased the interest in the original movie more than 865 01:01:47.079 --> 01:01:51.840 I don't think anybody's talking about the American remake of this movie or the sequel 866 01:01:51.880 --> 01:01:58.440 to it. I forgot there was a Quarantine too. Oh terminal. Oh 867 01:01:58.519 --> 01:02:07.519 my god, I forgot that Quarantine was directed by one of the Dowdle brothers. 868 01:02:07.480 --> 01:02:12.920 I don't think I knew that Quarantine is directed by John Eric Dowdell. 869 01:02:13.039 --> 01:02:16.719 So we just named three Doubdle brother movies in a row. Thankfully I'm naming 870 01:02:16.719 --> 01:02:22.239 Rex. So this one's just a side quest. Yeah, I guess Reck. 871 01:02:22.440 --> 01:02:27.320 Quarantine is what they made after the Poughkeepsie tapes before they made Devil Interesting. 872 01:02:27.679 --> 01:02:30.760 Yeah, Quarantine, so much Quarantine. I have not seen rec or 873 01:02:30.840 --> 01:02:35.320 Quarantine. I have seen Reck. I have not seen, and I need 874 01:02:35.320 --> 01:02:37.719 to watch it because I enjoyed Quarantine for what it is. But it's very 875 01:02:37.719 --> 01:02:43.920 clearly not their idea, which is there's nothing wrong with that. But the 876 01:02:44.079 --> 01:02:47.320 early or the mid two thousands was also like we're if you're talking about this 877 01:02:47.519 --> 01:02:52.159 now. It's a weird kind of intersection of found footage and also like the 878 01:02:52.199 --> 01:02:55.920 remake thing that was going on in the late late two thousands, early tens, 879 01:02:57.000 --> 01:03:00.199 like Quarantine, Let the Right One in like so many, just like 880 01:03:00.960 --> 01:03:04.719 all these movies, they're just like, oh yeah, just watch the original 881 01:03:04.760 --> 01:03:07.119 one, The Crazies, the Hills Have Eyes, the Day, Yep, 882 01:03:07.360 --> 01:03:14.280 yep, Texas Chainsaw Massacre, Nightmare on Elm Street. We don't mention that 883 01:03:14.320 --> 01:03:16.639 one. You know what. That's the saddest one for me, it really 884 01:03:16.679 --> 01:03:21.119 is. That's the one that I that bums me out the most for like 885 01:03:21.320 --> 01:03:24.440 so many reasons, primarily because Nightmarre on Elm Street is my favorite horror movie, 886 01:03:24.679 --> 01:03:30.199 so it doesn't help. But for reck, I did want to say 887 01:03:30.199 --> 01:03:32.599 there are three sequels. They are all worth watching, though none of them 888 01:03:32.639 --> 01:03:37.519 live up to the passion of that first one, but they're still worth watching 889 01:03:37.079 --> 01:03:43.320 absolutely, And I think like half of one of the movies loses the found 890 01:03:43.320 --> 01:03:46.239 footage conceit, and if I remember, the fourth one doesn't have it at 891 01:03:46.280 --> 01:03:51.400 all. So it's like it's like two and a half movies are found footage 892 01:03:51.400 --> 01:03:54.679 and one and a half or not That's awesome though, because I've always I've 893 01:03:54.679 --> 01:03:59.719 always wondered like, could you do that? Could you do like two found 894 01:03:59.719 --> 01:04:02.119 foot movies? And then the third movie is just like a movie movie. 895 01:04:02.239 --> 01:04:08.480 Yeah, So glad to know that somebody has already kind of approached that question. 896 01:04:09.039 --> 01:04:11.599 I think that's the case. It's been a while since I've seen the 897 01:04:11.639 --> 01:04:14.400 sequels. I mean, at some point found footage, like you know, 898 01:04:14.480 --> 01:04:17.000 like Paranormal Activity. You know, we keep talking about it, but all 899 01:04:17.039 --> 01:04:19.719 of those movies are found footage, every single one of them. They never 900 01:04:19.800 --> 01:04:25.760 do anything else, like they use different styles of found footage camera work, 901 01:04:25.800 --> 01:04:29.440 but like it's found footage, it's found footage. It's found footage. It's 902 01:04:29.480 --> 01:04:32.719 never not and it will never not be because that's part of the appeal of 903 01:04:32.760 --> 01:04:36.880 that franchise is the you know, found footage aspect of it. Even if 904 01:04:36.880 --> 01:04:41.440 I do like insanely hampering, I do like watching them try to jump through 905 01:04:41.480 --> 01:04:45.880 hoops to explain how it's still found footage. Yeah, yeah, exactly, 906 01:04:45.920 --> 01:04:50.639 like when you're trying to when you're having to work harder than I don't know, 907 01:04:50.679 --> 01:04:54.400 if you're having to work harder to explain to me why it's found footage 908 01:04:54.400 --> 01:05:00.559 than just letting it breathe, you've already failed. So yeah, right, 909 01:05:00.639 --> 01:05:03.440 I mean the conceit has to be rock solid for me to be on board 910 01:05:03.480 --> 01:05:10.800 immediately, and a lot of filmmakers are really really struggle with that aspect of 911 01:05:10.840 --> 01:05:14.920 it. So yeah, completely agree. All right, I think we're under 912 01:05:14.960 --> 01:05:21.400 your So I'm kind of surprised that you haven't mentioned this yet, and this 913 01:05:21.480 --> 01:05:27.119 might be our first crossover the movie that I think if we're talking about the 914 01:05:27.159 --> 01:05:31.800 best big budget found footage movie period. As much as I have problems with 915 01:05:31.840 --> 01:05:36.559 it, which I mean, I have so many problems for it for every 916 01:05:36.719 --> 01:05:44.960 kind of reason. Matt Reeves and JJ abrams Cloverfield, which is like his 917 01:05:45.119 --> 01:05:49.079 unpopular opinion, which is an unpopular pick, is it not? Nowadays? 918 01:05:49.119 --> 01:05:53.400 It is? Especially we just talked about TJ Miller on your episode for the 919 01:05:53.559 --> 01:05:57.639 Culture Cast. Yeah, and he's at the Yeah. I mean, like 920 01:05:57.679 --> 01:06:00.159 I said, I have problems with it, one of them being TJ Miller's 921 01:06:00.159 --> 01:06:03.360 involvement. But this is two thousand and eight TJ Miller, So this is 922 01:06:03.400 --> 01:06:08.119 like t this is TJ Miller before he was even TJ Miller. This is 923 01:06:08.119 --> 01:06:13.840 the first thing that he was in. I think Cloverfield is immensely successful as 924 01:06:14.000 --> 01:06:19.760 a movie. I think it's immensely successful as also a piece of like war 925 01:06:19.880 --> 01:06:26.000 adjacent cinema in terms of like the expectations and like maybe not war adjacent cinema, 926 01:06:26.039 --> 01:06:30.119 but definitely like a weird release valve for nine to eleven and the kind 927 01:06:30.199 --> 01:06:38.320 of weird post nine to eleven feelings that were around maybe still are obviously, 928 01:06:38.480 --> 01:06:42.880 but the post nine to eleven feelings, especially in New York. It captures 929 01:06:42.920 --> 01:06:46.719 that in a weird way, and it captures it captures something that I also 930 01:06:46.880 --> 01:06:54.800 really appreciate, which is it really feels like at least in the first twenty 931 01:06:54.920 --> 01:07:00.000 minutes thirty minutes up until up until one of the characters and I guess it's 932 01:07:00.039 --> 01:07:04.760 been so long. That's the Mike Vogel character on the bridge, when the 933 01:07:04.760 --> 01:07:09.760 bridge is collapsed. That's when the movie stops really working for me, because 934 01:07:09.760 --> 01:07:12.719 all of a sudden, it starts wanting to do different things. But the 935 01:07:12.760 --> 01:07:17.480 first like thirty minutes of that movie are so well done and so like well 936 01:07:17.519 --> 01:07:20.800 thought out, and it puts you in. It puts you directly in a 937 01:07:20.840 --> 01:07:25.519 position that you hope to never be in, which is being in a city 938 01:07:25.599 --> 01:07:29.599 during an attack. This just happens to be monsters, you know what I 939 01:07:29.599 --> 01:07:31.920 mean? Like that, And that's the aspect of it that I had a 940 01:07:31.920 --> 01:07:35.599 hard time wrapping my head around when I was seventeen. I remember the movie 941 01:07:35.639 --> 01:07:40.719 really made me angry when I was seventeen for a number of reasons. I 942 01:07:40.760 --> 01:07:43.639 think the ending of the movie is a complete fucking joke. Frankly, and 943 01:07:43.719 --> 01:07:47.760 like and like and like it really is just like you really are embracing found 944 01:07:47.760 --> 01:07:53.639 footage all the way. But yeah, I am a defender of Cloverfield. 945 01:07:53.679 --> 01:07:57.320 Even though I have immense amounts of problems with it, I cannot overlook how 946 01:07:57.320 --> 01:08:00.360 important it is as a movie to the found foot genre as a whole. 947 01:08:00.840 --> 01:08:05.599 Yeah, I do think this is probably either if I was ranking in importance 948 01:08:05.639 --> 01:08:12.159 probably the third or fourth most important fan footage film easily, especially bringing it 949 01:08:12.199 --> 01:08:17.720 to mainstream audiences in a time that they could show that it wasn't just a 950 01:08:17.880 --> 01:08:20.239 film from the nineties that I'm sure one of us will talk about later. 951 01:08:20.279 --> 01:08:26.960 But this is something that again has a lot of problems. This is nowhere 952 01:08:27.000 --> 01:08:30.640 near my list. I actually really love this movie. I think it's great, 953 01:08:30.680 --> 01:08:32.640 but it is not even like top ten or twelve. For me, 954 01:08:33.000 --> 01:08:38.840 it's really it doesn't show up anywhere. Like I mean again, like I 955 01:08:39.439 --> 01:08:42.520 like I've said, I am a defender of a movie that I understand is 956 01:08:42.560 --> 01:08:45.760 immensely flawed. But you put it, You put it pretty succinctly. This 957 01:08:45.840 --> 01:08:48.800 movie, in a lot of ways, is a turning point in American cinema 958 01:08:48.840 --> 01:08:53.840 for a lot of reasons, one of them being it allowed JJ Abrams to 959 01:08:54.039 --> 01:09:00.079 really flex his muscles outside of the TV sphere because pre Cloverfield he was the 960 01:09:00.159 --> 01:09:05.520 TV guy and Cloverfield and you know what I feel like. And again, 961 01:09:05.560 --> 01:09:08.640 some people aren't going to have a frame of reference for this. Some people 962 01:09:08.640 --> 01:09:14.479 are going to turn this shit off for five minutes. The arg behind the 963 01:09:14.520 --> 01:09:18.640 movie, like everything about that movie. Were you were you in the theater 964 01:09:18.920 --> 01:09:24.079 seeing Transformers and seeing the trailer for Cloverfield organically like I did. Were you 965 01:09:24.119 --> 01:09:27.560 one of those people I saw it in the drive in so close enough, 966 01:09:27.960 --> 01:09:30.720 but you saw you had not seen or heard anything about it? Correct? 967 01:09:30.880 --> 01:09:34.039 Was that not unlike anything else? Oh? Yeah, it was. It 968 01:09:34.079 --> 01:09:38.840 was all hype. And that's why again, this is why I think it's 969 01:09:38.880 --> 01:09:42.880 such a parallel to that film. In the nineties, that it has this 970 01:09:43.000 --> 01:09:49.039 immense marketing that they honestly did pretty well with the other Cloverfield movies that aren't 971 01:09:49.039 --> 01:09:57.960 found footage, but they bro no, Cloverfield Paradox is not worth even like 972 01:09:58.119 --> 01:10:00.720 oh my, but the marketing, the way they hiped it up as a 973 01:10:01.000 --> 01:10:05.239 hey, this is dropping tonight after this massive worldwide event. You can watch 974 01:10:05.239 --> 01:10:09.199 it now. And everybody went turned it on for a couple of minutes and 975 01:10:09.199 --> 01:10:13.119 then turned it off. But it was it was done in such a unique 976 01:10:13.159 --> 01:10:18.680 way that other filmmakers and production companies they don't utilize stuff like that, you 977 01:10:18.720 --> 01:10:23.560 know, as much as I we're gonna, you know, drag Cloverfield Paradox 978 01:10:23.600 --> 01:10:26.920 for a moment, I actually think that movie's not as bad as everybody gave 979 01:10:26.960 --> 01:10:30.880 it credit for being bad. I think it's just a very confused movie that's 980 01:10:30.920 --> 01:10:34.680 trying to do eight million things at once. It clearly didn't affect Julius Ona's 981 01:10:34.680 --> 01:10:39.359 career a whole lot, because you know, he's directing Captain America, Brave 982 01:10:39.439 --> 01:10:43.359 New World Now for Marvel, so it must not have been the career killer. 983 01:10:43.680 --> 01:10:45.960 And Googo and Batha Raw and like half of everybody in that movie is 984 01:10:45.960 --> 01:10:53.960 still perfectly fine. I think for me Cloverfield ten Cloverfield Lane is the more 985 01:10:54.079 --> 01:10:58.359 disappointing of the three because that movie shits the bed hard at the end, 986 01:10:58.560 --> 01:11:02.359 like and like it it. We just talked about No One Will Save You, 987 01:11:02.399 --> 01:11:06.840 and I'm actually pissed at myself for not comparing the two. Cloverfield Paradox 988 01:11:06.920 --> 01:11:13.000 and No One Will Save You have an almost identical third act in terms of 989 01:11:13.039 --> 01:11:15.560 how much of a turd it is and how much it undoes all of the 990 01:11:15.560 --> 01:11:21.079 goodwill that the movie has been building. Ten Cloverfield Lane's worse because that movie. 991 01:11:21.319 --> 01:11:26.880 I love ten Cloverfield Lanes first two thirds, like, but then everything 992 01:11:26.880 --> 01:11:32.479 else is like, then the Aliens showed up Cloverfield Lanes Verst ninety. I 993 01:11:32.520 --> 01:11:35.399 want to say that, yeah, it's fair. I remember getting into big 994 01:11:35.479 --> 01:11:39.319 arguments with people after that movie came out about like the third act of that 995 01:11:39.359 --> 01:11:42.640 movie, and me being like, it was really bad. We did need 996 01:11:42.680 --> 01:11:45.640 to see the aliens and like I was willing to die on that hill, 997 01:11:45.880 --> 01:11:47.039 and everybody else was like no, no, no, we had to. 998 01:11:47.079 --> 01:11:49.600 It was like did you see what they looked like? They didn't look good, 999 01:11:49.760 --> 01:11:54.920 they looked terrible, and oh, by the way, the movie falls 1000 01:11:54.960 --> 01:12:00.439 apart the moment the aliens can just die like and again it also falls because 1001 01:12:00.479 --> 01:12:02.199 there are aliens. It would have been more interesting if there had been nothing. 1002 01:12:02.880 --> 01:12:05.720 Well, and I still say they were making this movie and it was 1003 01:12:05.880 --> 01:12:09.640 going really well, but they didn't know how to end it, and jj 1004 01:12:09.760 --> 01:12:13.920 Abrams just happened to be like walking by a daily or something and went what 1005 01:12:14.000 --> 01:12:16.319 if they came out to aliens? And they just tacked that on at the 1006 01:12:16.399 --> 01:12:19.520 end. I don't think that was ever meant to be a part of it 1007 01:12:19.560 --> 01:12:23.399 from the beginning. Well, that's the other question, right with all of 1008 01:12:23.439 --> 01:12:28.079 this is what was a Cloverfield movie? What was something else that got turned 1009 01:12:28.079 --> 01:12:30.319 into it? It's it's like hell Raiser, Like how many of those hell 1010 01:12:30.399 --> 01:12:34.279 Raiser movies were hell Raiser before we just tacked the pinhead on there and said, 1011 01:12:34.279 --> 01:12:36.439 well, it's a hell Raiser movie. Yeah, if it was just 1012 01:12:36.479 --> 01:12:40.199 called Paradox, that probably would have gone from one and a half stars to 1013 01:12:40.239 --> 01:12:43.399 three stars in most people's minds. Imagine if you hadn't known it was a 1014 01:12:43.399 --> 01:12:45.960 Cloverfield movie until the like, imagine if they had done what they didn't split 1015 01:12:46.439 --> 01:12:50.720 Like yeah, because for me, split is like a great example not to 1016 01:12:50.800 --> 01:12:54.880 ruin the twist, because I don't want to ruin the twist in that movie. 1017 01:12:55.039 --> 01:13:00.560 The twist in that movie is so fucking wild and so insane that it 1018 01:13:00.600 --> 01:13:03.880 connects these two seemingly disparate things that you're like, Oh my god, I'm 1019 01:13:03.880 --> 01:13:08.159 glad you didn't tell me this going into this, because it makes me appreciate 1020 01:13:08.159 --> 01:13:12.399 it that much more. Yeah, you put Cloverfield in the title. There's 1021 01:13:12.439 --> 01:13:15.760 an expectation that is going to need to be met and Cloverfield paradox. Like 1022 01:13:15.800 --> 01:13:18.840 the end of that movie, I still cannot believe they did what, Like, 1023 01:13:18.880 --> 01:13:23.680 I still don't even understand what that movie is going for at the end. 1024 01:13:23.720 --> 01:13:27.359 But it's all starts with two thousand and eight Cloverfield, which again I 1025 01:13:27.359 --> 01:13:30.680 think is a movie Drew Goddard turned in a great script. I am a 1026 01:13:30.680 --> 01:13:33.640 fan of Matt Reeves. I think Matt Reeves does good work. I might 1027 01:13:33.680 --> 01:13:39.000 be a little biased given proximity to the people that I know that know him 1028 01:13:39.079 --> 01:13:43.880 and how effusively they speak of him, But I know, as do you, 1029 01:13:44.000 --> 01:13:46.439 that people involved in making Cloverfield had their hearts in the right place. 1030 01:13:48.359 --> 01:13:53.000 Yeah, this one is it's a good movie. It's just again not near 1031 01:13:53.039 --> 01:13:57.439 the top of my list, which I again I completely understand because there is 1032 01:13:57.479 --> 01:14:00.319 a derivation of my list where it wasn't on there at all, and I 1033 01:14:00.359 --> 01:14:05.720 was like, I left it on and left something else off. So what 1034 01:14:05.800 --> 01:14:09.399 was that thing I left off? Ryan? You're probably gonna mention it. 1035 01:14:10.079 --> 01:14:14.319 I probably will at some point. But what's funny is my number five and 1036 01:14:14.359 --> 01:14:18.880 your number five are sort of similar. Yours is doing for monster movies and 1037 01:14:18.880 --> 01:14:24.640 allowing found footage to come in to interrupt what was this long established genre. 1038 01:14:25.079 --> 01:14:29.960 And I'm gonna bring one that is from shortly after that interrupts another genre that 1039 01:14:30.079 --> 01:14:34.880 was taking over for people. And I want to mention twenty twelve's Chronicle ha 1040 01:14:34.880 --> 01:14:39.800 ha. I was wondering if the Trank, if the Trankster was going to 1041 01:14:39.840 --> 01:14:43.359 show up. God, the less said about Josh Trank, the better. 1042 01:14:43.439 --> 01:14:45.720 Am I right? Or? Am I right? Yeah? We definitely don't 1043 01:14:45.720 --> 01:14:53.439 need to discuss the parallels with this and Fantastic four, Fantasis for Stick for 1044 01:14:53.560 --> 01:14:58.239 Stick. This movie is so much better than it has any right being. 1045 01:14:59.039 --> 01:15:03.840 You are seeing too or is it three kids that are basically they're discovering that 1046 01:15:03.880 --> 01:15:10.079 they have gained superpowers through this odd event, and I am a sucker for 1047 01:15:10.359 --> 01:15:16.079 watching a story about humans discovering that they're the baddies basically, So like The 1048 01:15:16.119 --> 01:15:19.479 Mist, The Mist from two thousand and seven or whatever it is is such 1049 01:15:19.479 --> 01:15:27.560 a great movie because it's civilization crumbling because of humans, and Chronicle is high 1050 01:15:27.600 --> 01:15:31.960 school students thinking that they're amazing crumbling because they're terrible, terrible people. And 1051 01:15:32.279 --> 01:15:36.720 it just shows that at the heart, a lot of people are just terrible 1052 01:15:36.760 --> 01:15:41.760 people. And it's acted in this really earnest way when it didn't need to 1053 01:15:41.800 --> 01:15:45.880 be. It's fun, it's an intriguing story. It takes the idea of 1054 01:15:45.880 --> 01:15:49.439 a superhero story that was already a couple of years into the MCU and starting 1055 01:15:49.439 --> 01:15:53.560 to really proliferate all of our cinemas and just said, you know what, 1056 01:15:54.079 --> 01:15:58.600 there's still interesting stories to tell that are not just fucking Iron Man. And 1057 01:15:58.640 --> 01:16:03.920 it's really fun and really slept on in twenty twenty three. Well again, 1058 01:16:03.960 --> 01:16:09.159 there's a reason for that. Unfortunately, given the people involved. I mean, 1059 01:16:09.199 --> 01:16:15.199 again, as much as I like John Landis, it's kind of hard. 1060 01:16:15.720 --> 01:16:18.600 I mean, it's hard to not bring up Max Landers because Max Landis 1061 01:16:18.760 --> 01:16:26.159 is Uh, look, my opinions on Max Landis are probably similar to what 1062 01:16:26.199 --> 01:16:29.239 Max Landers's opinions are on most people. He is who he is, and 1063 01:16:29.279 --> 01:16:34.000 there's nothing wrong with that. But unfortunately some people don't like who he is, 1064 01:16:34.119 --> 01:16:36.600 which is what it is. I mean, like anything else, you're 1065 01:16:36.600 --> 01:16:40.520 gonna rub people the wrong way, especially if you have a lot of opinions, 1066 01:16:40.640 --> 01:16:44.159 or if you're very opinionated, or if you're unwilling to change your opinion. 1067 01:16:44.760 --> 01:16:47.279 And Max Landis, I mean, look, if my dad was John 1068 01:16:47.359 --> 01:16:53.279 Landis, I'd probably feel the same way about Like my opinion matters. Not 1069 01:16:53.279 --> 01:16:56.439 only is my opinion matter, I feel like I can convey my opinion to 1070 01:16:56.479 --> 01:17:00.079 you in a way that other people can't. And Max Landis is as a 1071 01:17:00.159 --> 01:17:04.439 track record of making some pretty interesting choices as a screenwriter. Uh. And 1072 01:17:04.680 --> 01:17:08.760 I haven't seen Chronicle, not because of Max Landers and not because of Josh 1073 01:17:08.800 --> 01:17:11.359 Frank. I just missed it. I don't know why, just kind of 1074 01:17:12.039 --> 01:17:18.119 under the radar. Josh Josh Frank though, did himself no favors. I 1075 01:17:18.159 --> 01:17:20.640 don't. I mean, I feel bad for him in a way, but 1076 01:17:20.680 --> 01:17:25.640 at the same time, you know, I don't know that whole thing was 1077 01:17:25.760 --> 01:17:29.479 star Star Wars and Boba Fett and all of that. Yeah, it's it's 1078 01:17:29.560 --> 01:17:31.760 unfortunate. I should check out Chronicle. It's, like I said, not 1079 01:17:31.760 --> 01:17:36.520 not avoiding it for any particular reason, just because you can't watch everything. 1080 01:17:36.560 --> 01:17:42.239 You know, right, it's worth it, I promise. So for me, 1081 01:17:42.720 --> 01:17:45.960 I will mention another movie that I think again it kind of toes the 1082 01:17:46.079 --> 01:17:51.840 line, Uh it's you know, I will say it's a horror movie and 1083 01:17:51.880 --> 01:17:57.039 it has found footage parts. The way it's filmed, I think isn't found 1084 01:17:57.079 --> 01:18:00.560 footage, it's cinema verite. But there's part the part to the movie that 1085 01:18:00.640 --> 01:18:04.840 are the most off putting are the found footage parts. Henry Portrait of a 1086 01:18:04.880 --> 01:18:10.880 Serial k is it found footage? I would call it? But yeah, 1087 01:18:11.119 --> 01:18:14.560 but you get what I'm getting at though, because the way it's filmed, 1088 01:18:14.680 --> 01:18:16.680 there's a scene, the one of the more effective scenes in the movie is 1089 01:18:16.760 --> 01:18:20.720 found footage. And yeah, I understand that this might be a little bit 1090 01:18:20.800 --> 01:18:25.439 of a cheat, but I don't think it's a cheat because the parts of 1091 01:18:25.439 --> 01:18:29.159 the movie that are really putting people off to it are the found footage parts, 1092 01:18:29.319 --> 01:18:33.079 right right, Yeah, this one is a masterpiece. And if somebody 1093 01:18:33.119 --> 01:18:38.720 has not seen the Aero video four K that they released to this that it 1094 01:18:38.840 --> 01:18:43.680 makes it even more troubling. It feels just seedy to watch it. I'm 1095 01:18:43.720 --> 01:18:45.760 a fan of it, but it's a movie that I used to hate. 1096 01:18:45.880 --> 01:18:49.560 I had a visceral reaction the first time I watched it because it's it's about 1097 01:18:49.600 --> 01:18:56.039 as nihilistic a movie as you can get, and Michael Rooker just burns the 1098 01:18:56.199 --> 01:19:00.000 screen down. Baby, If that's your first fucking role in a movie, 1099 01:19:00.239 --> 01:19:03.720 my god, do you need to do anything else other than therapy? Yeah? 1100 01:19:04.119 --> 01:19:08.680 And you know what's what's crazy is And I think we did an episode 1101 01:19:08.720 --> 01:19:11.960 on Henry Portrait of a serial Killer either end of last year earlier this year 1102 01:19:12.000 --> 01:19:15.159 on the Culture Cast. I think I said it there and I'll say it 1103 01:19:15.199 --> 01:19:19.199 here. Isn't it crazy? Michael Rooker is in Marvel too, isn't it? 1104 01:19:19.199 --> 01:19:24.079 It's that's yonde everybody like. That's still hard for me to wrap my 1105 01:19:24.079 --> 01:19:27.880 head around because the first time I saw Henry was so long before Guardians. 1106 01:19:28.439 --> 01:19:30.520 There's no way you could have convinced me he would be in a Marvel movie. 1107 01:19:30.560 --> 01:19:34.920 But so James gunn goes, so does everybody who works for him or 1108 01:19:35.000 --> 01:19:39.920 with him so Henry Portrait of a Serial Killer, though definitely not for the 1109 01:19:39.960 --> 01:19:45.039 Faint of Heart. Very similar to the Poughkeepsie tapes, but more narratively driven. 1110 01:19:45.279 --> 01:19:47.600 And again it's not all found footage, but the part of the movie 1111 01:19:47.600 --> 01:19:53.319 with the found footage is so off putting, and I've gotta assume it's the 1112 01:19:53.319 --> 01:19:55.960 part of the movie where most people are turning it off. Oh yeah, 1113 01:19:56.000 --> 01:19:59.520 that have like wandered into it or saw it somewhere that like, Yeah, 1114 01:20:00.000 --> 01:20:01.600 but it's definitely worth a watch. For me, it's one worth checking out 1115 01:20:01.640 --> 01:20:05.720 and I go back to it once a year. It definitely feels, similarly 1116 01:20:05.840 --> 01:20:10.680 to The Exorcist, like they captured something on film that feels a little bit 1117 01:20:10.680 --> 01:20:14.840 more true to life and real than they may have been intending. But that, 1118 01:20:14.920 --> 01:20:18.239 for me is what works. That's for me is what makes the movie 1119 01:20:18.439 --> 01:20:21.479 so good, is that it does feel like they kind of captured reality a 1120 01:20:21.520 --> 01:20:26.960 little bit. Yeah. Yeah, that movie is done authentically to a degree 1121 01:20:27.000 --> 01:20:30.520 that most movies could only dream of, right short of actually murdering people. 1122 01:20:30.520 --> 01:20:33.640 And I'm sure people who saw that movie when it came out were like, 1123 01:20:34.359 --> 01:20:39.720 uh, is this guy actually killing people? Because it seems again like Michael 1124 01:20:39.760 --> 01:20:45.720 Rooker at that age in that movie looks just there have been fewer people perfectly 1125 01:20:45.760 --> 01:20:49.079 cast for a kind of role like that for sure. Bingo, I'm going 1126 01:20:49.159 --> 01:20:54.720 to totally switch our tone around because it feels like we need it coming from 1127 01:20:54.720 --> 01:20:58.159 that. I'm going to take us all the way to twenty fourteen and talk 1128 01:20:58.199 --> 01:21:02.880 about probably the funniest on footage movie ever, What We Do in the Shadows. 1129 01:21:04.760 --> 01:21:08.960 Never seen it? Wow, I've never seen the movie, but I 1130 01:21:09.000 --> 01:21:15.279 love the show. I've heard divisive things. Half people think that the show 1131 01:21:15.359 --> 01:21:18.560 is like Leagues better. I still think the movie is quite a bit better. 1132 01:21:18.600 --> 01:21:25.399 But Tayka y t Jermaine Clement. They direct this together. They also 1133 01:21:25.479 --> 01:21:29.920 wrote it together, and this movie has some of the most quotable lines in 1134 01:21:30.199 --> 01:21:34.000 modern film history. It is so damn funny. You get the individuals that 1135 01:21:34.079 --> 01:21:41.439 came together to create some of the best TV show some of the best TV 1136 01:21:41.520 --> 01:21:45.840 shows over the last When did Five of the Concords come out? It was 1137 01:21:45.920 --> 01:21:48.239 a few years before this, so they weren't like massively popular. Side of 1138 01:21:48.239 --> 01:21:50.920 the Conchords came out when I was in high school, so it's been like 1139 01:21:51.079 --> 01:21:56.880 two thousand and six or seven. Because I remember watching being in the computer 1140 01:21:57.000 --> 01:22:01.520 lab as a senior and watching Hipopopotamus on the computer and thinking it was like 1141 01:22:01.560 --> 01:22:04.880 the funniest thing that you say, Yeah, because it is. I mean, 1142 01:22:05.199 --> 01:22:10.960 Fly the Concords was seven to nine. Okay, So that led into 1143 01:22:11.199 --> 01:22:14.039 them developing a little more behind the scenes, and then a couple of years 1144 01:22:14.079 --> 01:22:18.600 later teaming up with Taika and creating this in a way that melds the horror 1145 01:22:18.600 --> 01:22:25.600 genre and all of the tropes that are with it with classical vampire stories that 1146 01:22:25.680 --> 01:22:29.439 have not been told this way in a long long time. And it is 1147 01:22:29.680 --> 01:22:34.199 beautiful to look at. It is wonderfully acted, it is funny in every 1148 01:22:34.319 --> 01:22:41.439 single scene. It is just an insane story that obviously inspired an entire TV 1149 01:22:41.479 --> 01:22:44.600 show that has been able to go on for like four or five seasons now. 1150 01:22:45.039 --> 01:22:50.119 It's it's a masterpiece. Yeah, it's incredible. I can't speak to 1151 01:22:50.159 --> 01:22:55.600 the movie, but I can speak to the show. The show is Look, 1152 01:22:55.640 --> 01:22:59.319 I have to assume the movie set a pretty good base for the show 1153 01:22:59.359 --> 01:23:02.560 to rest. And from what you just said and other people that I've spoken 1154 01:23:02.640 --> 01:23:08.119 to and listened to talking about it, uh yeah, I love the show. 1155 01:23:08.239 --> 01:23:11.680 I mean the show, I mean, look, the movie doesn't have 1156 01:23:11.720 --> 01:23:15.760 Matt Barry in it, so it automatically is one peg lower just because it 1157 01:23:15.800 --> 01:23:18.800 doesn't have Matt Barry. I appreciate that. But Jermaine Clement tagawhite t T 1158 01:23:19.000 --> 01:23:23.119 I'm sure make up for it. But Matt, I mean, for me, 1159 01:23:23.239 --> 01:23:28.399 Laslow Cravensworth is one of the great TV characters that has ever been created. 1160 01:23:28.479 --> 01:23:30.399 And I mean, look, Matt Berry is such a weird dude and 1161 01:23:30.439 --> 01:23:34.119 such an idiosyncratic human being that there's only one person that could play that role, 1162 01:23:34.600 --> 01:23:39.119 and they found him, and uh, yeah, you know, the 1163 01:23:39.199 --> 01:23:41.920 show is quotable, so I've got to assume the movie is the same way. 1164 01:23:42.119 --> 01:23:46.279 Extremely extremely Yeah, Matt got Matt Barry should just be in everything, 1165 01:23:46.359 --> 01:23:53.039 right, oh yeah, you know. And and kvon Novak as well, 1166 01:23:53.119 --> 01:23:58.000 someone who I had seen in literally nothing else. He's yeah, he's Oh 1167 01:23:58.039 --> 01:24:01.159 my god, he's hilarious. Everything about that is fantastic. Harvey geehan, 1168 01:24:01.359 --> 01:24:06.399 I mean we could go on. That's that's a found footage TV show. 1169 01:24:06.399 --> 01:24:12.560 I guess more of a mockumentary, right, yeah, it's a monumentary. 1170 01:24:12.640 --> 01:24:15.520 Yeah, I h no, good, good pick, good pick, yeah, 1171 01:24:15.560 --> 01:24:19.239 great pick didn't make my list though, no, no crossovers yet, 1172 01:24:19.319 --> 01:24:21.560 what's going on? You only have three left. I don't think we're gonna 1173 01:24:21.600 --> 01:24:27.760 have three, I know. So my next one is uh, and I'm 1174 01:24:27.800 --> 01:24:32.279 gonna I will leave the one that I want to really highlight last. So 1175 01:24:32.319 --> 01:24:38.359 not my favorite, but one I think less people have seen this one for 1176 01:24:38.439 --> 01:24:41.079 me. I covered it a long time ago on the show. Got to 1177 01:24:41.199 --> 01:24:45.520 speak to the director Patrick Bryce again. Those things just being upfront and honest 1178 01:24:45.560 --> 01:24:49.920 and not it doesn't color my judgment on it at all, frankly, because 1179 01:24:50.000 --> 01:24:53.439 I think you know what I'm going to mention now that I mentioned Patrick Bryce. 1180 01:24:53.479 --> 01:24:58.840 Twenty fourteen's creep Is is genuinely one of the scarier movies I think I've 1181 01:24:58.840 --> 01:25:03.600 ever seen, beca because it speaks to a thing that people like, the 1182 01:25:03.600 --> 01:25:09.479 the craigslisting of the mid the you know, like m for ming and stuff 1183 01:25:09.479 --> 01:25:14.600 like that. Yeah, the casual encounterness of the Internet in the mid two 1184 01:25:14.680 --> 01:25:18.159 thousands to early tens. Like look, Craigslist is essentially a shell of its 1185 01:25:18.199 --> 01:25:24.279 former self now because they've gotten rid of so many of the things that allowed 1186 01:25:24.319 --> 01:25:30.600 people to meet. For whatever reason, I will add, for whatever m 1187 01:25:30.640 --> 01:25:32.800 for m reason, I always think of Horrible Bosses. When I think of 1188 01:25:32.960 --> 01:25:38.760 M for M, we are men seeking a man seven hundred and fifty dollars 1189 01:25:38.800 --> 01:25:42.960 to murder three people. You didn't think that was too cheap. So it 1190 01:25:43.000 --> 01:25:45.520 does speak to a time and a place that I think, you know, 1191 01:25:45.600 --> 01:25:48.520 now with the advent of things like Tinder and Grinder and other like sex meet 1192 01:25:48.680 --> 01:25:55.199 sexual meet up apps, this story kind of maybe is a little bit hollower 1193 01:25:55.239 --> 01:25:59.239 than it used to be in terms of like, yeah, you would never 1194 01:25:59.319 --> 01:26:02.960 just go meet some fucking dude at his fucking house. But man, if 1195 01:26:03.000 --> 01:26:09.199 that if that movie is like doesn't hit the way that it used to, 1196 01:26:09.399 --> 01:26:12.439 like, I'd be surprised. But like anybody who watches it now, I 1197 01:26:12.479 --> 01:26:14.880 feel like it's gonna feel the same way I did when I first watch it, 1198 01:26:14.920 --> 01:26:17.640 which was how did you make Mark Duplace seem like such a fucking monster? 1199 01:26:19.159 --> 01:26:24.680 Because like he again, at the time when that movie came out, 1200 01:26:25.119 --> 01:26:29.600 the only thing I had seen him in was The League. Yeah, and 1201 01:26:29.640 --> 01:26:30.880 it's like, oh, it's the guy from the League. Oh and he's 1202 01:26:30.880 --> 01:26:35.680 a complete fucking psychopath in this movie. I don't know. I love that 1203 01:26:35.800 --> 01:26:40.479 movie. The less you know about that movie, the better. It's a 1204 01:26:40.560 --> 01:26:45.920 it's a it's a wild movie. Have you seen it? Uh? Creep 1205 01:26:45.359 --> 01:26:49.520 twenty fourteen is on my list. This is our first match and I'm gonna 1206 01:26:50.279 --> 01:26:54.840 I'm gonna move my order around. This might be my favorite found footage movie 1207 01:26:54.840 --> 01:26:59.960 of all time. Creep. Yeah, I oh love this fucking movie. 1208 01:27:00.279 --> 01:27:05.359 And the main reason primarily is because of Mark Duplas. He is unhinged in 1209 01:27:05.439 --> 01:27:10.479 this in so many ways that you are just not ready for. One of 1210 01:27:10.520 --> 01:27:14.840 the better endings on any of these movies, for sure, has some of 1211 01:27:14.880 --> 01:27:18.279 the most iconic imagery and found footage as well, like the stupid fucking mask 1212 01:27:18.800 --> 01:27:24.279 and the eating of mask. The mask is really wearing. All the energy 1213 01:27:24.279 --> 01:27:29.560 comes from that fucking mask. Now, the eating of pancakes is so nonchalantly, 1214 01:27:30.520 --> 01:27:33.960 the walking by the little creek that they're next to. There are so 1215 01:27:34.000 --> 01:27:38.920 many things that happen in this movie that genuinely got under my skin. And 1216 01:27:39.359 --> 01:27:44.760 because it's Mark Duplas and it is delivered by somebody that you've seen. The 1217 01:27:44.880 --> 01:27:48.079 goofy as hell that you've seen in some of the better mumblecore movies out there 1218 01:27:48.439 --> 01:27:54.520 that you've seen now be unhinged in other movies as well, even this year 1219 01:27:54.560 --> 01:28:00.560 he was on Celebrity fucking Jeopardy. Like to have Mark Duplas be this type 1220 01:28:00.600 --> 01:28:03.960 of a character makes this movie nearly a ten out of ten for me. 1221 01:28:05.119 --> 01:28:08.600 I think Mark Duplas, as good as he is in front of the camera, 1222 01:28:08.760 --> 01:28:13.560 has has a mind for the business in a way that like, you 1223 01:28:13.600 --> 01:28:16.159 know, I love people that are a double or triple threat. And Mark 1224 01:28:16.239 --> 01:28:19.319 Duplaus and obviously his brother, I mean the Duplas brothers. I think in 1225 01:28:19.439 --> 01:28:26.119 general they are they're two smart cookies, and you know, I think for 1226 01:28:26.199 --> 01:28:30.199 me, people like them in the industry are a godsend to help us get 1227 01:28:30.239 --> 01:28:35.479 out of the ruts that we constantly find ourselves in with genres. Because Creep 1228 01:28:35.520 --> 01:28:39.880 for me, when it came out, ushered in like some weirdo other movies 1229 01:28:39.920 --> 01:28:45.439 that came afterwards that were again these like really boiled, pared down found footage 1230 01:28:45.479 --> 01:28:48.159 movies, Like it's the most found footagey found footage movie on this list. 1231 01:28:48.239 --> 01:28:51.279 I think between the two of ours, because it's just it's just a dude. 1232 01:28:51.439 --> 01:28:57.000 It's two dudes in a camera yep, and done in a way where 1233 01:28:57.000 --> 01:29:01.279 it's not in one location. They you know, are our main protagonist. 1234 01:29:01.359 --> 01:29:03.800 I guess if you kind of want to call him that he shows up at 1235 01:29:03.840 --> 01:29:08.680 home after he's done working for the guy turns on his camera again to say, 1236 01:29:08.720 --> 01:29:11.800 something weird is happening. Let's talk about it, and so you get 1237 01:29:11.840 --> 01:29:15.640 that awkward. We are literally just cataloging events. And that's that's why it's 1238 01:29:15.800 --> 01:29:23.319 actually found footage right right, and the video journaling aspect of it is so 1239 01:29:24.439 --> 01:29:27.640 I don't know that made it feel so unique. It makes me want to 1240 01:29:27.680 --> 01:29:31.520 rewatch it. I haven't probably seen it since it came out, and that's 1241 01:29:31.880 --> 01:29:35.720 that's the impact that it made on me, similarly to yourself, that it's 1242 01:29:35.760 --> 01:29:40.039 still something that I'm thinking about almost ten years later. And again I got 1243 01:29:40.039 --> 01:29:43.560 to speak to Patrick Brice a decade ago. That matters nothing to my enjoyment 1244 01:29:43.600 --> 01:29:45.760 of the movie. It's just again like it's just weird to me because the 1245 01:29:45.800 --> 01:29:48.800 movie's been out for almost a decade. Now. Yeah, how do you 1246 01:29:48.800 --> 01:29:54.520 feel about the sequel? I never saw the sequel. It's worth it. 1247 01:29:54.039 --> 01:29:56.880 It's not as good, it's not a ten out of ten, but it's 1248 01:29:56.960 --> 01:30:00.479 it's pretty it's much better than you would think. And I I sincerely hope 1249 01:30:00.479 --> 01:30:05.000 that after what's been eight years since the sequel came out. They're supposedly trying 1250 01:30:05.039 --> 01:30:09.239 to make a third one, and it was going to be a believed trilogy 1251 01:30:09.279 --> 01:30:13.640 of at one point. I hope they can get there because it deserves a 1252 01:30:13.680 --> 01:30:16.560 final nail in that coffin. Yeah. I mean, look, you got 1253 01:30:16.600 --> 01:30:19.880 two of the three movies. Don't pull a Giermo del Tora and leave us 1254 01:30:19.880 --> 01:30:28.720 hanging right, please, Dale Harber is not my hell Boy. I still 1255 01:30:28.800 --> 01:30:31.159 it still freaks me out to think about that there's no third hell Boy movie 1256 01:30:31.520 --> 01:30:35.439 because it's just part of Germo del Toro's ever growing list of unrealized projects on 1257 01:30:35.479 --> 01:30:41.680 Wikipedia. No. Yeah, unfortunately, there's a lot of those. Ye, 1258 01:30:42.359 --> 01:30:45.079 so I will say that was my number three, so we can jump 1259 01:30:45.079 --> 01:30:49.199 to your number two since that was literally going to be my number one. 1260 01:30:48.680 --> 01:30:54.760 My number two would be another thing that Again, it's it is found footage, 1261 01:30:54.760 --> 01:30:57.159 but it's a little different. It's not just you know, a guy 1262 01:30:57.199 --> 01:31:00.680 with a camera did cover this on my show while ago. Definitely something I 1263 01:31:00.760 --> 01:31:04.720 just watched last week. I watched it at least once a year during October, 1264 01:31:05.000 --> 01:31:10.119 probably two or three other times outside of that. It's something that made 1265 01:31:10.159 --> 01:31:12.760 a lot of waves. It was hard to find for the longest time. 1266 01:31:12.840 --> 01:31:15.960 Now I believe it's on shutter. It is from the nineties. It is 1267 01:31:16.079 --> 01:31:23.119 not the Blair Witch Project. It is ghost Watch. Ah yeah, I 1268 01:31:23.199 --> 01:31:26.840 fucking love ghost Watch. If you've never seen ghost Watch, I'm not gonna 1269 01:31:26.880 --> 01:31:32.159 say anymore other than it is a recreation. It is a mockumentary style recreation 1270 01:31:32.439 --> 01:31:40.239 of a ghost investigation on the British Broadcasting channel in the mid nineties. But 1271 01:31:40.439 --> 01:31:43.359 it took place in the nineties. But they're trying to make it seem like 1272 01:31:43.439 --> 01:31:45.960 it's real, but it's not. The funny thing about it is because of 1273 01:31:46.000 --> 01:31:49.079 when it was played, because the people watching it didn't catch the beginning. 1274 01:31:49.960 --> 01:31:55.039 It orson Wells did itself and people thought it was real. And boy, 1275 01:31:55.920 --> 01:32:00.640 if I had been watching it in ninety two on Halloween and not knowing it 1276 01:32:00.680 --> 01:32:04.319 wasn't real, I would have been fucking mortified. Uh. It not only 1277 01:32:04.359 --> 01:32:08.960 has Michael Parkinson and Sarah Green and Mike Smith and Craig Charles, all the 1278 01:32:09.000 --> 01:32:14.000 people who were on the show that this show is taking place on, so 1279 01:32:14.039 --> 01:32:18.920 they're doing all of the set dressing correctly all and it all just comes together 1280 01:32:18.960 --> 01:32:24.479 in a way that is hard to describe, but It is so amazing when 1281 01:32:24.479 --> 01:32:26.560 you watch it. I don't know how. It's just one of those things 1282 01:32:26.600 --> 01:32:28.960 that works on every level, and by the end of it, you're just 1283 01:32:29.000 --> 01:32:33.239 like, man, somebody made this and like it did exactly what it was 1284 01:32:33.279 --> 01:32:39.399 supposed to perfectly. Frankly, like, I'm not saying it's good that someone 1285 01:32:39.479 --> 01:32:42.600 died while watching it, but it definitely helped the mastique. It helped the 1286 01:32:42.680 --> 01:32:46.439 mystique of this thing right kind of become I mean it, you know, 1287 01:32:46.560 --> 01:32:50.199 it was never replayed on the BBC, Like, you know, it got 1288 01:32:50.199 --> 01:32:55.119 played one time and that was it. The BBC never wanted to show it 1289 01:32:55.159 --> 01:32:59.520 again because of what happened. So yeah, it's a I don't know. 1290 01:32:59.560 --> 01:33:01.439 If you've never seen it, it's definitely worth checking out. Is this something 1291 01:33:01.479 --> 01:33:03.800 that you have an opinion on? Did this make your list in any form 1292 01:33:03.880 --> 01:33:06.479 or fashion? It did not make my list, But I really do like 1293 01:33:06.479 --> 01:33:11.199 ghost Watch. It lives in that same pantheon as the last broadcast. To 1294 01:33:11.239 --> 01:33:15.880 me, it's sort of similar, Like the last broadcast has always been called 1295 01:33:15.880 --> 01:33:18.760 the lesser Blair Witch because it came right before it. But the way these 1296 01:33:18.840 --> 01:33:21.840 two feel, I don't know, there's something about that period of the nineties. 1297 01:33:23.039 --> 01:33:26.840 They feel very similar to me. Ghost Watch is a lot of fun. 1298 01:33:26.960 --> 01:33:31.159 A lot of the British anachronisms that they use through this makes it feel 1299 01:33:31.359 --> 01:33:35.000 a little more authentic. And it's just a good watch. It's solid good 1300 01:33:35.000 --> 01:33:39.880 time. I mean, yeah, they if you have the person who hosts 1301 01:33:39.960 --> 01:33:44.840 a show hosting your show, like it's I don't know, like it just 1302 01:33:45.239 --> 01:33:48.239 it works. It just it works better. It's so much fun. I 1303 01:33:48.239 --> 01:33:51.880 think everything about it is fun and it goes places you wouldn't expect, and 1304 01:33:51.920 --> 01:33:55.960 it is scary and it doesn't seem like it's going to be. It really 1305 01:33:56.800 --> 01:34:00.720 holds back. It practices so much restraint, and for me, I'm a 1306 01:34:00.720 --> 01:34:05.399 fan of practicing restraint with found footage because it allows the idea to breathe. 1307 01:34:05.439 --> 01:34:09.800 And hey, it's based off the Nfield Poltergeist, which is a fantastic case 1308 01:34:09.840 --> 01:34:14.920 that would the then get chronicled and adapted in the Conjuring two, which Conjuring 1309 01:34:14.920 --> 01:34:17.119 one and two. As far as I'm concerned, I'm pretty much modern horror 1310 01:34:17.159 --> 01:34:23.399 classics. So no, ghost Watch. Ghost Watch is up there. It's 1311 01:34:23.439 --> 01:34:26.239 not what my number one is, but it's definitely one of those movies that 1312 01:34:26.319 --> 01:34:29.479 like I mention every spooky season to people I know who haven't seen it, 1313 01:34:29.520 --> 01:34:31.279 and I'm like, please watch this because I know you will enjoy it, 1314 01:34:31.520 --> 01:34:35.560 which sadly is most people. Yeah, yeah, it's true. And again, 1315 01:34:35.640 --> 01:34:38.800 like I mentioned, I did do an episode on it on my show 1316 01:34:38.840 --> 01:34:42.520 where I got to speak to Steven Volk who wrote it, and Leslie Manning 1317 01:34:42.520 --> 01:34:45.079 who directed it, and that was again, it's immensely fun to be able 1318 01:34:45.119 --> 01:34:47.359 to talk to the people who work on these things and get to kind of 1319 01:34:47.960 --> 01:34:53.199 listen to their stories. But I don't know, it's I always felt on 1320 01:34:53.239 --> 01:34:56.560 the Culture Cast that it's my job to shine a light on things that aren't 1321 01:34:56.560 --> 01:35:00.119 getting highlighted. And Ghostwatch, I mean, it's finally getting the credit that 1322 01:35:00.159 --> 01:35:03.720 it deserves. It got on Shutter, it got right before I started doing 1323 01:35:03.720 --> 01:35:08.600 the podcast. It had a documentary that came out, ghost Watch Behind the 1324 01:35:08.600 --> 01:35:12.960 Curtains, and I think they even did like a live seance to mimic the 1325 01:35:13.079 --> 01:35:15.159 ghost Watch thing at some point in the last like five to six years. 1326 01:35:15.159 --> 01:35:18.680 So ghost Watch is definitely up there for me. It's a good one. 1327 01:35:18.720 --> 01:35:24.279 Different but good. Well it's probably time. I'm just gonna go there. 1328 01:35:24.439 --> 01:35:27.960 And at number two, I should probably talk about the Blair Witch Project, 1329 01:35:28.000 --> 01:35:30.560 so I gonna say, like I've been waiting for you to mention it. 1330 01:35:30.560 --> 01:35:35.039 So this is obviously like one of those few seminal films, this is the 1331 01:35:35.600 --> 01:35:40.840 probably the second most impactful in the entire genre for me, this one. 1332 01:35:40.960 --> 01:35:45.439 We talked about the marketing behind this being just incredible earlier, and I don't 1333 01:35:45.479 --> 01:35:49.199 think much of anything will be able to hit this again because we don't have 1334 01:35:49.640 --> 01:35:53.520 that sort of a society anymore. We don't have a word about society. 1335 01:35:53.560 --> 01:35:58.039 Everything has to be online and social media will blow it up immediately. This 1336 01:35:58.359 --> 01:36:02.199 took the country by storm, and that is a lot when you consider that 1337 01:36:02.279 --> 01:36:06.399 this came out in what is arguably one of the two or three greatest film 1338 01:36:06.439 --> 01:36:11.199 y'res ever, and the fact that a book was written about it right, 1339 01:36:11.479 --> 01:36:14.720 the fact that it still has that legacy, and it's a horror movie that's 1340 01:36:14.760 --> 01:36:18.800 found footage without an actual villain attached to it. There's nobody that you can 1341 01:36:18.880 --> 01:36:25.079 market. There's no Blair Witch mask that you can buy for Halloween to keep 1342 01:36:25.119 --> 01:36:30.600 it in the zeitgeist. That Tod McFarlane and McFarlane movie Maniacs tride exactly the 1343 01:36:30.640 --> 01:36:36.239 fact that that is still here and still this giant legacy shows how important this 1344 01:36:36.279 --> 01:36:42.119 movie was at that time. Really good scares, really cheaply made and done 1345 01:36:42.159 --> 01:36:45.000 in a way that feels great. But what's funny, if you take even 1346 01:36:45.359 --> 01:36:50.600 three steps back from the movie, nothing happens. There's nothing scary about this 1347 01:36:50.680 --> 01:36:55.760 movie. It's just the fact that you immerse yourself in that, and it's 1348 01:36:56.159 --> 01:37:00.960 oddly that sort of experience makes it that much more terrifying. I didn't put 1349 01:37:01.079 --> 01:37:05.319 blair Witch on my list because I figured one of us was going to have 1350 01:37:05.359 --> 01:37:10.960 to. Yeah, but I mean, yeah, you cannot overstate how important 1351 01:37:11.199 --> 01:37:14.199 this movie is for a lot of things. It ushered in a lot of 1352 01:37:14.239 --> 01:37:19.680 stuff. It unfortunately created a lot of crappy stuff also, but the best 1353 01:37:19.680 --> 01:37:23.680 things often do. I mean, Star Wars came out, and then look 1354 01:37:23.680 --> 01:37:26.640 at all the stuff that came out after Star Wars, Marvel, look at 1355 01:37:26.640 --> 01:37:29.640 all the things that came after Marvel. Like it's it is what it is. 1356 01:37:29.680 --> 01:37:32.800 When you're this successful, and especially when you're this successful organically, when 1357 01:37:32.840 --> 01:37:38.399 you're doing something that people are not expecting could even be a thing, blair 1358 01:37:38.439 --> 01:37:43.960 Witch still works. Blair Witch is a very boring movie and you put it, 1359 01:37:44.000 --> 01:37:45.520 you put it sucinctly like it's a boring movie. If you take a 1360 01:37:45.520 --> 01:37:50.439 step back from what the movie is doing so successfully, it's poor thing happens, 1361 01:37:51.119 --> 01:37:55.600 which is why. And I want to mention this because you opened this 1362 01:37:55.720 --> 01:37:59.960 box, so I now I'm going to take the box and rip it apart. 1363 01:38:00.319 --> 01:38:05.520 Twenty sixteen's blair Witch is without a doubt, one of the worst horror 1364 01:38:05.600 --> 01:38:13.760 movies I have ever seen. And it's not just the direction that I have 1365 01:38:13.840 --> 01:38:17.279 an issue with. It's not just the story, but it's the lack of 1366 01:38:17.680 --> 01:38:24.439 understanding of what made the movie you're remaking so good to begin with. Yeah, 1367 01:38:24.479 --> 01:38:30.399 and this is also coming at a time where Christoph Waltz isn't Blowfeld and 1368 01:38:30.439 --> 01:38:32.479 at a cumber Batch isn't con And oh, by the way, this movie 1369 01:38:32.479 --> 01:38:36.560 called The Woods is blair Witch. Like we're we're still in that weird time 1370 01:38:36.600 --> 01:38:42.159 of like we can't tell people the truth about what we're making because that will 1371 01:38:42.359 --> 01:38:45.359 somehow, I don't know, I don't know what people's assumption was, but 1372 01:38:47.600 --> 01:38:51.760 that movie would have been better if it had just been called The Woods and 1373 01:38:51.800 --> 01:38:55.800 it had nothing to do with blair Witch, absolutely, but the fact that 1374 01:38:55.880 --> 01:38:59.680 it had a blair Witch like. That movie is just it's not even found 1375 01:38:59.720 --> 01:39:02.920 foot I don't care if they call it found footage. It's such a contrivance 1376 01:39:03.039 --> 01:39:08.079 Throughout that movie. There's drones, there's go pros, and it seems like 1377 01:39:08.119 --> 01:39:12.680 a contrivance. I don't know. That's if we're talking blair Witch sequels, 1378 01:39:13.079 --> 01:39:17.039 blair Witch two, Book of Shadows. The Berlinger Cut is a better movie. 1379 01:39:17.119 --> 01:39:19.640 It's a movie worth watching. It's just a fan edit, though, 1380 01:39:19.680 --> 01:39:24.920 so I can't really I can't really say go out and watch a fan edit 1381 01:39:24.960 --> 01:39:28.039 of a movie, because a fan edit is not I'm not saying it's bad, 1382 01:39:28.079 --> 01:39:30.279 but you know what I mean. It's like that's never been the way 1383 01:39:30.319 --> 01:39:33.079 it was intended to be seen. So we're a movie that's mostly been buried 1384 01:39:33.119 --> 01:39:39.600 too. Yeah. Yeah, I think the biggest problem with mentioning blair Witch 1385 01:39:39.640 --> 01:39:42.760 is the fact that the sequel does not get any love. Because the sequel's 1386 01:39:42.840 --> 01:39:47.640 really good. It just got destroyed in the editing booth, like in a 1387 01:39:47.680 --> 01:39:51.720 way that's really unless you've seen the Berlinger cut, it's really hard to see 1388 01:39:51.720 --> 01:39:57.239 what the movie could have Like, what the movie could have been is really 1389 01:39:57.279 --> 01:40:00.640 hard to parse out when you watch the original version of it movie. But 1390 01:40:00.840 --> 01:40:04.279 the original blair Witch is a classic period the end, and nineteen ninety nine 1391 01:40:04.359 --> 01:40:09.680 was a hard year to come out in for movies. Yeah. Yeah, 1392 01:40:10.039 --> 01:40:13.439 Again, marketing like that can never take place again. So that's just one 1393 01:40:13.479 --> 01:40:17.479 of the biggest things that yet but yet Cloverfield, but yet Cloverfield, though 1394 01:40:17.800 --> 01:40:23.560 they did it differently and it's done in a way that took everybody by storm. 1395 01:40:23.600 --> 01:40:27.439 Again. Yeah, I'd love to see it. Yeah, I am 1396 01:40:27.479 --> 01:40:30.000 a fan of blair Witch. But no, it did not make my list 1397 01:40:30.079 --> 01:40:32.279 because yeah, I just like I said, I figured it would make one 1398 01:40:32.279 --> 01:40:35.239 of our lists. So well, let's see if we even match two. 1399 01:40:35.640 --> 01:40:43.680 What's your final pick? My final pick came out in twenty thirteen. Again, 1400 01:40:44.000 --> 01:40:46.439 I mean the coincidence of the three that I'm talking about having been covered 1401 01:40:46.439 --> 01:40:49.479 on my show. It's only because I rarely cover things I like on my 1402 01:40:49.600 --> 01:40:53.199 show, and these are things that I can be like, oh yeah, 1403 01:40:53.239 --> 01:40:55.840 I like this a lot, and so I covered it. And it's a 1404 01:40:55.840 --> 01:41:02.039 horror movie twenty thirteen's WNUF Halloween Special. Does that make your list at all? 1405 01:41:03.199 --> 01:41:06.520 I don't think of it as found footage, even though you could argue 1406 01:41:06.520 --> 01:41:12.399 it is. I mean, doesn't the framing device of the movie essentially get 1407 01:41:12.479 --> 01:41:15.359 firm it's found footage in a way. Yes, I have a VHS on 1408 01:41:15.439 --> 01:41:18.920 my shelf here with WNUF written on it. I found it on eBay? 1409 01:41:18.920 --> 01:41:21.640 Does that count? I do? I have a Blu ray that I found 1410 01:41:21.640 --> 01:41:27.560 in my shopping car. Actually have one of those VHS's that they did nice. 1411 01:41:27.800 --> 01:41:30.039 Yeah, I got it off eBay for twenty bucks, like a long 1412 01:41:30.079 --> 01:41:34.800 time ago. But I get what you're getting at. I disagree though, 1413 01:41:35.359 --> 01:41:41.640 because the framing device. But I will concede you have a point. And 1414 01:41:42.159 --> 01:41:47.000 if you're looking for something that is more found footage directly, this might not 1415 01:41:47.079 --> 01:41:51.439 be the best option. But this is something that, similarly to ghost Watch, 1416 01:41:51.600 --> 01:41:57.680 it's not just found footage, which allows it to breathe more and be 1417 01:41:57.840 --> 01:42:02.439 a more interesting narra being told as opposed to just a person with a camera 1418 01:42:02.560 --> 01:42:06.920 walking around. Agreed, agreed fully. And the lessons said about it though, 1419 01:42:06.920 --> 01:42:10.920 I mean lesson said about what it is the better. It's a imagine 1420 01:42:10.960 --> 01:42:15.119 you found at a garage sale, a Halloween special from the late eighties, 1421 01:42:15.560 --> 01:42:18.960 and that's what this is. And I love that it's led to inspiring some 1422 01:42:19.039 --> 01:42:23.560 other things there's a sequel for that one. I've got this box next me. 1423 01:42:23.640 --> 01:42:28.439 This is he BGBTV, which is basically WNUF but from the nineties, 1424 01:42:29.039 --> 01:42:31.640 and that just recently came out. Not even heard of this? What the 1425 01:42:31.720 --> 01:42:35.560 fuck? Yeah, it's I literally just got it, so I've not watched 1426 01:42:35.600 --> 01:42:39.159 it yet, but it's supposed to be pretty great. There was another one 1427 01:42:39.319 --> 01:42:42.840 that just came out fairly recently from Dead Vision Productions I think that was last 1428 01:42:42.920 --> 01:42:48.560 year, that is essentially like a WNUF anthology type film, and it's really 1429 01:42:48.560 --> 01:42:54.720 fun. Just the style that they're going for is great. It's nostalgic in 1430 01:42:54.760 --> 01:42:58.760 a way that shouldn't be nostalgic. Says it's modern. It is done in 1431 01:42:58.800 --> 01:43:02.399 a way that shows reverence for time period and yeah it that's another one that, 1432 01:43:02.479 --> 01:43:08.159 honestly, the legacy from that is kind of marketing through horror fans in 1433 01:43:08.239 --> 01:43:12.359 a very almost Blair which way, because it's very word of mouth, like 1434 01:43:13.000 --> 01:43:17.079 have you heard or seen WNUF? Because it's great. Not enough people have 1435 01:43:17.199 --> 01:43:20.000 seen it. This is one of those things that every time I mention it, 1436 01:43:20.079 --> 01:43:24.720 like what what is it called? I've never heard of this? And 1437 01:43:25.119 --> 01:43:28.560 it's a shame. I mean, I get why it hasn't been because it's 1438 01:43:28.760 --> 01:43:32.399 literally about as small a budget movie as humanly possible. It's about as micro 1439 01:43:32.560 --> 01:43:36.720 budget a movie as possible. But it ends up working in spite of that, 1440 01:43:36.840 --> 01:43:43.520 because that's the point with this. And I also will understand that this 1441 01:43:43.600 --> 01:43:47.199 will not work for a large group of people because it is not culturally relevant 1442 01:43:47.239 --> 01:43:51.880 to certain people. None of the experiences that are shared in WNUF have a 1443 01:43:51.960 --> 01:43:56.920 level of cultural relativity to a certain group of people. But that's not why 1444 01:43:56.920 --> 01:43:59.399 the movie. The movie wasn't being made for them. The movie was literally 1445 01:43:59.399 --> 01:44:02.239 being made for or it was made for the people who will understand what you're 1446 01:44:02.319 --> 01:44:06.159 going for. You're not going to get anybody else, which is a failing 1447 01:44:06.199 --> 01:44:10.720 of the movie I can appreciate, but it's also a strength of the movie 1448 01:44:10.840 --> 01:44:14.319 because you've committed to it so hard that the only people that are going to 1449 01:44:14.319 --> 01:44:19.479 be imminently interested are the people who understand the source material. So it's hard. 1450 01:44:19.520 --> 01:44:23.319 I mean it's hard because it's hard to sell someone on something where it's 1451 01:44:23.319 --> 01:44:27.439 like remember those specials from the eighties. Oh right, you're like in your 1452 01:44:27.439 --> 01:44:30.720 mid twenties, So no, you don't, And it's not like I do 1453 01:44:30.880 --> 01:44:34.199 either. It's just I understand what they were going for, and I understand 1454 01:44:34.199 --> 01:44:40.840 what Chris La Martina was expecting the audience to have a reference point of. 1455 01:44:41.479 --> 01:44:45.000 So it's not really scary. It's not very much a horror movie. It's 1456 01:44:45.000 --> 01:44:47.880 a lot more of a vibe movie. But I enjoy it and I will 1457 01:44:47.920 --> 01:44:53.079 never miss an opportunity to sing its praises. And it's an incredible pick for 1458 01:44:53.119 --> 01:44:57.159 October because it's a very Halloween. Yeah, I haven't seen the sequel. 1459 01:44:57.520 --> 01:45:00.399 I can't speak to the sequel. I want to watch it. The sequel 1460 01:45:00.640 --> 01:45:04.199 is you have to buy it directly from Chris La Martine. For now, 1461 01:45:04.640 --> 01:45:08.439 I have a feeling it'll get a bigger release eventually, I hope. So 1462 01:45:08.640 --> 01:45:11.560 I just haven't I haven't taken the plunge yet. I've heard it's good. 1463 01:45:11.920 --> 01:45:15.720 I have heard that it is good though, So final pick for mine is 1464 01:45:16.039 --> 01:45:20.199 not WNUF. So we're only gonna end up with one crossover, which is 1465 01:45:20.239 --> 01:45:26.920 aw I'm sure pretty impressive. Mine is probably not one that most people have 1466 01:45:27.000 --> 01:45:30.840 heard of. Once again, I'm going to go with a twenty eighteen pick, 1467 01:45:30.000 --> 01:45:36.640 and I have to shoot out there that the best horror for modern filmmakers. 1468 01:45:36.840 --> 01:45:42.199 I think is mostly coming out of South Korea. Okay, I'm gonna 1469 01:45:42.199 --> 01:45:47.239 go with gonjiam Hanted Asylum Okay, Okay. Gonjiam Handed Asylum is a movie 1470 01:45:47.319 --> 01:45:51.840 about a web series where people are live streaming, which is sort of turning 1471 01:45:51.840 --> 01:45:55.840 into this genre onto itself. There's a handful that have been made in the 1472 01:45:55.880 --> 01:45:58.800 last few years that not all of them are bad. Some of them are 1473 01:45:58.880 --> 01:46:02.560 bad, but not all of them. This one has some of the best 1474 01:46:02.600 --> 01:46:05.760 scares on my list, though. It is made in a way that is 1475 01:46:08.239 --> 01:46:15.399 taking that Asian kind of Folkhore like what is slightly under the surface in this 1476 01:46:15.479 --> 01:46:18.960 culture and making it a part of it, but done in such a subversive 1477 01:46:18.960 --> 01:46:21.920 way that you're just not ready for. Some of the scares that they put 1478 01:46:21.920 --> 01:46:28.760 out there pretty well acted, some not great cgi but I think that overall, 1479 01:46:29.079 --> 01:46:32.640 if you're going to try out something from a different country that is not 1480 01:46:32.880 --> 01:46:36.600 just a Western film, this is a really great one to grab onto for 1481 01:46:36.640 --> 01:46:41.640 fan footage, and it's done really well for when it came out. I 1482 01:46:41.720 --> 01:46:46.359 actually covered this last year at the suggestion of a friend of mine, Josh 1483 01:46:46.399 --> 01:46:50.840 Bragg of The Haunting Season. He and I covered it about a year ago, 1484 01:46:50.960 --> 01:46:55.000 not to the day, but October of last year. I enjoyed it 1485 01:46:55.000 --> 01:47:00.239 immensely. Didn't make my list, primarily because I haven't had enough experience with 1486 01:47:00.279 --> 01:47:04.159 it in the long term. I've seen it once, but I enjoyed it. 1487 01:47:04.199 --> 01:47:06.720 I was actually hoping you were gonna say, one cut of the Dead 1488 01:47:08.239 --> 01:47:11.000 it's a great one too. Which is another good one? What is that 1489 01:47:11.039 --> 01:47:13.960 one? Is that one Korean? Or is that one that's Japanese? Yeah, 1490 01:47:14.079 --> 01:47:17.840 that one is fantastic for different reasons. Does something a little different gong 1491 01:47:17.960 --> 01:47:21.479 jump. I'm actually having a hard time remembering it, only because October of 1492 01:47:21.520 --> 01:47:26.640 every year feels just like a bombardment things, you know. I feel like 1493 01:47:26.680 --> 01:47:30.880 I watch more movies in October, outside of the podcast movies, than I 1494 01:47:30.920 --> 01:47:32.800 do any other time of the year because it's just like I want to be 1495 01:47:32.840 --> 01:47:36.159 watching horror movies kind of. I mean again, I watch horror movies throughout 1496 01:47:36.159 --> 01:47:39.600 the year, just like you do, but like something about October. I'd 1497 01:47:39.680 --> 01:47:45.319 rather watch Halloween movies than horror movies in October, saying but Halloween movies are 1498 01:47:45.319 --> 01:47:47.399 hard to come by too, right, Like good ones, at least good 1499 01:47:47.399 --> 01:47:51.800 ones other than like practical magic and hocus Pocus, and I'm not kidding. 1500 01:47:51.800 --> 01:47:55.880 I'm not kidding. I was being serious. If anyone thinks I'm being a 1501 01:47:55.880 --> 01:47:59.479 dismissive man, I'm not. I enjoy both of those movies immensely. So 1502 01:47:59.600 --> 01:48:02.039 I just reference Practical Magic on my show literally like last week. So yeah, 1503 01:48:02.119 --> 01:48:05.119 completely get it. But like, but there was this like weird thing 1504 01:48:05.159 --> 01:48:08.800 of like, oh, you only like hocus Pocus because your wife makes you 1505 01:48:08.840 --> 01:48:11.920 watch it. It's like, nah, a good movie, and so is 1506 01:48:11.960 --> 01:48:14.920 Practical Magic. And I'm also a huge fan of Griffin Dunn, so it's 1507 01:48:14.920 --> 01:48:18.000 gonna be hard for me to not sing the praises of mister after Hours himself. 1508 01:48:18.399 --> 01:48:25.359 The hocus Pocus sequel, though not very good in my opinion, it 1509 01:48:25.520 --> 01:48:30.439 was a sequel. The sequel, the sequel misunderstood what made the original so 1510 01:48:30.560 --> 01:48:36.640 good. Yeah, yeah, no amount of Hennah Waddingham from Ted last it 1511 01:48:36.720 --> 01:48:41.359 was going to be able to save your movie, which I saw hocus Pocus 1512 01:48:41.359 --> 01:48:45.319 too before I saw Ted Lasso, so I didn't have any frame of reference 1513 01:48:45.319 --> 01:48:47.279 for who she was as an actress. And then I rewatched and I was 1514 01:48:47.319 --> 01:48:51.199 like, oh, that's weird. Same, Yeah, that's yeah, it's 1515 01:48:53.800 --> 01:48:57.920 gong jum Haunted a Asylum. Huh, that's a good pick. I would 1516 01:48:58.039 --> 01:49:00.279 not have I wouldn't have even thought of it. That didn't even cross my 1517 01:49:00.319 --> 01:49:04.279 mind. That's a good one. I think it's definitely under sen and one 1518 01:49:04.279 --> 01:49:08.720 that deserves a lot more attention. And again a lot of people don't seek 1519 01:49:08.720 --> 01:49:13.560 out South Korean films, but I think they are doing the best in the 1520 01:49:13.560 --> 01:49:18.079 horror genre right now, like maybe by far. Yeah, I would agree. 1521 01:49:18.399 --> 01:49:21.600 I mean they're they're pushing the envelope and they're doing things that are, 1522 01:49:21.880 --> 01:49:29.520 yeah, less expected than VHS nineteen ninety four, VHS eighty five, or 1523 01:49:29.720 --> 01:49:31.199 how many VHS movies there are. And I remember when it was just the 1524 01:49:31.239 --> 01:49:36.880 first one. God that it's a franchise now is insane to me. Yeah, 1525 01:49:36.920 --> 01:49:42.359 it's pretty weird. Twenty twelve is the first VHS movie, good Lord 1526 01:49:42.399 --> 01:49:45.560 and heav they're still making them. I know there's one one came out what 1527 01:49:45.640 --> 01:49:47.119 this year, rightly a couple of weeks ago, I think, yeah, 1528 01:49:47.439 --> 01:49:51.840 on shutter. So what are some of your honorable mentions? And then I'll 1529 01:49:51.960 --> 01:49:56.880 I'll give you some things that are movies that I would say are avoid avoid 1530 01:49:56.920 --> 01:49:59.680 These found footage movies, not because I don't think they're good, but I 1531 01:49:59.680 --> 01:50:02.600 think they're just a bad example of the genre. Interesting. So I had 1532 01:50:02.680 --> 01:50:06.359 four. One of them was Cannibell Holocaust, one that a lot of people 1533 01:50:06.399 --> 01:50:12.159 scoff at because they don't like the film, but I actually really like it 1534 01:50:12.199 --> 01:50:16.119 for how subversive it is the Last Exorcism. It's not like a really well 1535 01:50:16.159 --> 01:50:20.960 acted movie other than our main character. But I love the idea of a 1536 01:50:21.279 --> 01:50:25.840 priest telling you up front, this is all a lie and this is how 1537 01:50:25.880 --> 01:50:30.760 I fake it, and then going through this whole like rediscovering the fact that, 1538 01:50:30.920 --> 01:50:34.079 holy shit, this one's actually real. Unfortunately, the last forty five 1539 01:50:34.119 --> 01:50:39.960 seconds of the movie is god awful and it ruins everything that comes before it. 1540 01:50:40.000 --> 01:50:45.800 But the acting for our main character is just amazing. I have never 1541 01:50:45.840 --> 01:50:51.439 seen it, but I have heard good things it is until the ending. 1542 01:50:51.840 --> 01:50:56.920 Yeah, oh, I have heard about the ending. The other one I 1543 01:50:56.960 --> 01:51:00.319 want to compare to Gonjion that I just brought up is dead Stream, which 1544 01:51:00.520 --> 01:51:04.279 I just showed this in my show last night. This is a a media 1545 01:51:04.319 --> 01:51:06.600 book from Germany for the film that just came out. I believe it was 1546 01:51:06.680 --> 01:51:10.199 last year or the year before, and it's the same thing. It's a 1547 01:51:10.239 --> 01:51:14.439 guy doing a live stream that normally he fakes stuff, and he goes into 1548 01:51:14.439 --> 01:51:18.319 this this house and suddenly this is not fake at all. And it's done 1549 01:51:18.359 --> 01:51:23.039 in a way where there's an unlikable lead. You're you're kind of supposed to 1550 01:51:23.079 --> 01:51:27.680 hate him, which usually makes it a pretty rough movie to fall in love 1551 01:51:27.680 --> 01:51:31.199 with, and this one pulls it off immaculately, really well made. Love 1552 01:51:31.239 --> 01:51:36.439 That movie. Last One is probably one that any other day of the week, 1553 01:51:36.479 --> 01:51:39.760 I would have put this on my list, and I'm shocked that it's 1554 01:51:39.800 --> 01:51:42.079 not in my top seven. It just didn't feel right at the moment. 1555 01:51:42.720 --> 01:51:47.199 Hell House LLC. Oh Man, yeah, yeah, fuck man, how 1556 01:51:47.199 --> 01:51:50.680 did that not make my list? I? Oh my god, Yes, 1557 01:51:50.760 --> 01:51:54.920 this movie is a damn near masterpiece. It is. Yeah, that first 1558 01:51:54.960 --> 01:52:00.000 one is such a fucking yeah. That is something. I covered Hell Hell's 1559 01:52:00.199 --> 01:52:02.640 LLC on my show and had the opportunity to speak to Stephen Cognetti, and 1560 01:52:02.880 --> 01:52:08.039 I remember heaping praise on him then, and I will heap praise on the 1561 01:52:08.079 --> 01:52:12.880 movie now. That movie is like a That first movie is so good. 1562 01:52:13.239 --> 01:52:17.199 It's so so good. It pisses me off that I didn't put it on 1563 01:52:17.239 --> 01:52:21.640 my own list. Frankly, Yeah, I love least movie too. It 1564 01:52:21.680 --> 01:52:26.279 is, yeah, centered around haunts, which is another big popular thing right 1565 01:52:26.319 --> 01:52:30.800 now. So super good movie, really good creepy scenes, some of the 1566 01:52:30.800 --> 01:52:33.319 better scares in the genre. And yeah, fun movie. What did you 1567 01:52:33.359 --> 01:52:38.279 think of the sequels. I've not seen the third one. The second one 1568 01:52:38.359 --> 01:52:45.359 was very who hume, it just not great. I think the third one 1569 01:52:45.399 --> 01:52:47.520 has its I think the third one is better than the second. I think, 1570 01:52:49.000 --> 01:52:51.319 you know, obviously, the first movie was so good, and the 1571 01:52:51.319 --> 01:52:55.760 first movie is kind of just its own thing. But I know, Steve 1572 01:52:55.880 --> 01:52:58.880 Stephen Cognetti said in an interview, like, this is not its own thing. 1573 01:52:58.920 --> 01:53:04.039 It's meant to be in a three part thing. I like. I 1574 01:53:04.239 --> 01:53:08.960 like the second and third well enough. I don't think they spoil how good 1575 01:53:09.000 --> 01:53:12.760 the first movie is. But man, I want just stop what we're doing. 1576 01:53:12.880 --> 01:53:15.119 We'll just pause this, you and I can watch it and then we'll 1577 01:53:15.159 --> 01:53:17.159 just talk about it because I haven't watched it in so long. No that 1578 01:53:17.319 --> 01:53:20.680 God, damn it. I'm bummed at myself for not bringing that one up, 1579 01:53:20.720 --> 01:53:24.520 because that is a Yeah. That's another one of those ones where it's 1580 01:53:24.520 --> 01:53:28.520 like I can't help but wonder, like why more people haven't seen it. 1581 01:53:29.520 --> 01:53:32.359 Maybe maybe we'll have to rewatch it record again in like sixty days. Yeah, 1582 01:53:32.520 --> 01:53:35.680 I I I Man, what a bummer. I can't believe I missed 1583 01:53:35.720 --> 01:53:41.640 that one. Like I don't know, like that was That was what twenty 1584 01:53:42.439 --> 01:53:45.720 twenty fourteen, twenty fifteen, somewhere around there, which is a lot of 1585 01:53:45.720 --> 01:53:47.560 my picts are right around that time. Yeah, that was like the first 1586 01:53:47.640 --> 01:53:53.119 year I had started doing podcasting. So yeah, yeah, yep, man, 1587 01:53:53.159 --> 01:53:57.279 that's a good one. I'm surprised things that I'm surprised you didn't mention. 1588 01:53:57.560 --> 01:54:00.439 And I feel like instead of doing the things to avoid just I would 1589 01:54:00.479 --> 01:54:04.199 say more things that I would add to this the bigger conversation. The Sacrament, 1590 01:54:05.880 --> 01:54:12.000 it's okay. I think I enjoyed it because it's different. It's not 1591 01:54:12.159 --> 01:54:14.840 just you know, I mean like it's I'm not saying it's amazing, but 1592 01:54:14.880 --> 01:54:17.960 I'm also not like not saying you should avoid it like the plague. Wow, 1593 01:54:19.600 --> 01:54:23.319 I'm a fan of the Sacrament in terms of it doing something different. 1594 01:54:24.119 --> 01:54:27.560 I think the Gallows is a lot better than it has any right to be, 1595 01:54:28.960 --> 01:54:30.720 right, Okay, Like I'm glad I'm not the only one who thinks 1596 01:54:30.760 --> 01:54:34.439 that that. But yeah, the first one was I didn't even realize there 1597 01:54:34.560 --> 01:54:41.520 was a sequel unfortunately. Yeah, right, it's probably for the best. 1598 01:54:42.279 --> 01:54:44.840 Also a horror movie that made money, so of course there's the right. 1599 01:54:45.119 --> 01:54:48.680 I'm a huge fan of Apollo eighteen. Uh yeah, better than I expected. 1600 01:54:50.239 --> 01:54:54.680 What's his name? Lloyd Owen is now one of the leads in The 1601 01:54:54.720 --> 01:54:58.520 Lord of the Rings TV show, which is super weird to like watch that 1602 01:54:58.600 --> 01:55:01.199 be like, oh my god, that's that I who I interviewed like a 1603 01:55:01.239 --> 01:55:05.319 decade ago about a movie that was already out for like seven years at the 1604 01:55:05.399 --> 01:55:10.159 time. I like Apollo eighteen a lot. I think it's again, it's 1605 01:55:10.279 --> 01:55:15.560 unique in the sense of what it is. Gonzala Lopez Diego has not done 1606 01:55:15.600 --> 01:55:20.239 anything else as good as that. Unfortunately. You also mentioned movies with unlikable 1607 01:55:20.239 --> 01:55:26.880 protagonists. I think Grave Encounters stands out in terms of, like, yeah, 1608 01:55:26.920 --> 01:55:30.600 as a movie about like someone who you definitely don't like being put in 1609 01:55:30.600 --> 01:55:36.119 a situation that they kind of deserve. Yeah, I mean there's so many 1610 01:55:36.359 --> 01:55:41.600 There are so many good ones, but there are more just mediocre ones than 1611 01:55:41.600 --> 01:55:45.720 anything else. Yeah, and it seems like, you know, the classic 1612 01:55:46.560 --> 01:55:50.920 Dante's Peak type of situation where a movie was coming out, so people hustle 1613 01:55:51.000 --> 01:55:55.239 to put out another movie that was inferior to that one. A lot of 1614 01:55:55.239 --> 01:55:58.399 that has happened with found footage. So there are some of these movies that 1615 01:55:58.399 --> 01:56:00.680 have come out around the same time. Is something else And because of that, 1616 01:56:01.199 --> 01:56:05.840 the bad movie has colored the interpretation for a lot of people for some 1617 01:56:05.880 --> 01:56:11.239 of these better movies, and so they dismiss anything in the genre. It's 1618 01:56:11.439 --> 01:56:15.560 it's worth much more than that, Yeah, I mean, and you know 1619 01:56:15.640 --> 01:56:19.439 again, like the level, like the cheapness, you know, the cost 1620 01:56:19.520 --> 01:56:24.760 effectiveness of making these movies does I guess put some people off because again it's 1621 01:56:24.760 --> 01:56:27.239 like, oh, look at how cheap this movie looks. Oh it's like 1622 01:56:27.319 --> 01:56:30.199 okay, fine, Like if that's where you're coming at this from, you're 1623 01:56:30.239 --> 01:56:32.079 not gonna have a good time. So you know, that's the other thing, 1624 01:56:32.119 --> 01:56:35.920 Like you have to really be willing to work with the movie to get 1625 01:56:36.000 --> 01:56:39.840 where the movie wants to take you. And I understand that that's hard with 1626 01:56:39.840 --> 01:56:43.920 found footage because sometimes the movie does everything in its power to not make it 1627 01:56:43.960 --> 01:56:45.960 easy to follow why they're doing and like, why don't you just put the 1628 01:56:46.000 --> 01:56:48.760 camera down and run. Just put the camera down and run. Just put 1629 01:56:48.760 --> 01:56:51.279 the camera down and run. And like, if the movie can't explain why 1630 01:56:51.319 --> 01:56:55.239 they haven't done that, you're gonna have a hard time with the movie. 1631 01:56:55.880 --> 01:56:58.560 Yeah, And like I said at the beginning, I think a lot of 1632 01:56:58.680 --> 01:57:01.960 these more modern films they're baking in an answer to that, which does help, 1633 01:57:02.600 --> 01:57:08.560 right, Not everything is Barry Levinson's The Bay, which is like, 1634 01:57:09.880 --> 01:57:15.199 I can't I can't even believe he made that movie. I don't know what 1635 01:57:15.359 --> 01:57:18.399 universe he I. Yeah, that's a weird one for me. The Bay 1636 01:57:18.560 --> 01:57:21.560 is like, I don't like, it's such a good idea. What the 1637 01:57:21.600 --> 01:57:26.640 little what the fuck are those things called the little things underneath your tongue? 1638 01:57:27.079 --> 01:57:33.439 And yeah, whatever whatever. Sometimes sometimes, like you said, sometimes what 1639 01:57:33.600 --> 01:57:38.520 happens in the industry and what happens in the genre dictates the way people react. 1640 01:57:38.880 --> 01:57:43.479 And The Bay is a reaction to Cloverfield, like, you know, 1641 01:57:44.039 --> 01:57:46.479 oh, let's get a let's get a prestige director to do a found footage 1642 01:57:46.479 --> 01:57:50.199 movie. Oh it's not good exactly. For every Dante's Peak, there's going 1643 01:57:50.239 --> 01:57:54.960 to be a volcano. And for a lot of these the volcano somehow it 1644 01:57:55.079 --> 01:57:59.720 Loomed larger, even though it's the vastly inferior film. So if you are 1645 01:57:59.800 --> 01:58:02.560 just missing some of these, I mean even not just the fourteen that we 1646 01:58:02.600 --> 01:58:05.600 listed or the eighteen that we ended up talking about, there's a lot out 1647 01:58:05.600 --> 01:58:10.039 there that even though they didn't make this list, they're still worth the time. 1648 01:58:10.319 --> 01:58:13.520 I mean, people worked really hard on a lot of these. Yeah. 1649 01:58:13.680 --> 01:58:15.479 Yeah, And again, some of these were done at such a low 1650 01:58:15.479 --> 01:58:18.319 budget that when they make as much money as they do, everybody just goes 1651 01:58:18.560 --> 01:58:23.720 WHOA right, Yeah. And that's the thing about found footage is it allows 1652 01:58:23.760 --> 01:58:29.000 you to make a movie for cheap that has the opportunity to be immensely financially 1653 01:58:29.039 --> 01:58:31.840 successful, which is why paranormal activity is a thing. And we haven't even 1654 01:58:31.840 --> 01:58:34.960 talked about a much, right, right, other than like the first one's 1655 01:58:35.000 --> 01:58:40.039 fine. One other movie I would mention, and it's from a director who 1656 01:58:40.119 --> 01:58:45.239 is more known as a actor less a director, and it's we haven't mentioned 1657 01:58:45.399 --> 01:58:48.680 any of these kinds, so I feel like it's worth mentioning Willow Creek, 1658 01:58:48.800 --> 01:58:54.760 which is a bigfoot footage movie, and it's also a movie about Bigfoot taking 1659 01:58:54.840 --> 01:59:00.279 forest brides, which is only Bobcat really only Bobcats could go. I mean, 1660 01:59:00.279 --> 01:59:05.319 that's the subtext of the movie. Best I can tell is Bigfoot taking 1661 01:59:05.359 --> 01:59:10.039 female hikers and fucking them in the woods, which I think is what Bobcat 1662 01:59:10.079 --> 01:59:14.640 is going for in that movie and many Bigfoot movies. Yeah, but Willow 1663 01:59:14.680 --> 01:59:16.199 Creek is fun. I mean, the legend of Boggie Creek is a more 1664 01:59:16.239 --> 01:59:19.960 mockumentary than found footage. But again, mockumentary and found footage are kind of 1665 01:59:21.560 --> 01:59:26.239 same heads of a different heads of the same point or as I'm concerned. 1666 01:59:26.279 --> 01:59:31.119 So a lot of good ones, a lot of bad ones, more to 1667 01:59:31.199 --> 01:59:35.199 come. I'm sure this has been a lot of fun. Chris. Thanks 1668 01:59:35.279 --> 01:59:40.239 taking the time to do it. Thank you for having me. Love conversations 1669 01:59:40.279 --> 01:59:44.039 like this. Everybody needs to describe a Subscribe to the seventeen podcast. I'll 1670 01:59:44.079 --> 01:59:48.119 be linking below and give Chris some of your time. And if you want 1671 01:59:48.119 --> 01:59:51.000 to hear more from Chris other than the podcast, Like I said, check 1672 01:59:51.000 --> 01:59:56.760 out the most recent Physical Media Advocate. Chris has his first column in there, 1673 01:59:56.800 --> 02:00:00.199 and it's pretty damn great. It's all about Indian cinema, So I'm 1674 02:00:00.399 --> 02:00:05.439 chuing very close to brand here. I love that I volunteered to be on 1675 02:00:05.479 --> 02:00:10.520 an episode of that and you're like really. I mean most of the time 1676 02:00:10.560 --> 02:00:13.920 I have to like convince people because they're like, oh, I've never seen 1677 02:00:13.920 --> 02:00:16.039 an Indian movie. It's like, okay, well you set the bar in 1678 02:00:16.079 --> 02:00:21.800 the right spot, so well, thank you again. I hope everybody likes 1679 02:00:21.800 --> 02:00:25.720 this. And uh, well we'll have to be talking about Hell House LLC 1680 02:00:25.840 --> 02:00:29.159 pretty soon, I guess. So yeah, we'll have to re embark. 1681 02:00:29.359 --> 02:00:30.279 Well, what we'll have to do is we have to watch Hell Hell House 1682 02:00:30.439 --> 02:00:33.680 LLC. And then you need to watch we have to just do all three 1683 02:00:33.880 --> 02:00:36.520 all okay, yeah, I mean at this point, because you haven't you 1684 02:00:36.520 --> 02:00:41.520 haven't seen them so and it's been I think I've seen all of them one 1685 02:00:41.560 --> 02:00:44.600 time. Man, I just Steve Cognetti, would you like to join us 1686 02:00:44.640 --> 02:00:46.600 as well. I'm sure it's been a while since. I know. He 1687 02:00:46.640 --> 02:00:49.159 hasn't done anything else, has he. I mean, it's I think it's 1688 02:00:49.239 --> 02:00:53.560 those. I mean, those are three pretty good movies. So don't ever 1689 02:00:53.600 --> 02:00:55.640 do it. If you don't ever do anything else, just don't go and 1690 02:00:55.680 --> 02:01:00.760 make a don't go and make a Blair Witch sequel. 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