WEBVTT 1 00:00:29.359 --> 00:00:33.159 Welcome back to the Path Wind, Chile for part two of our series about 2 00:00:33.200 --> 00:00:37.240 the disappearance of Christian Mota Feri. Robin, do you want to catch everyone 3 00:00:37.320 --> 00:00:41.439 up on what we talked about in our previous episode. Well, Kristin Montiferi 4 00:00:41.679 --> 00:00:45.719 lived with her family in North Carolina, got a full scholarship to North Carolina 5 00:00:45.759 --> 00:00:50.320 State University, but decided to spend the summer of nineteen ninety seven living in 6 00:00:50.679 --> 00:00:55.240 San Francisco so that she could take a photography course at the University of California, 7 00:00:55.280 --> 00:00:59.600 Berkeley. Kristin arrived right around her eighteenth birthday. She got a job 8 00:00:59.600 --> 00:01:03.200 at a Look coffee shop and was there for about three weeks, where she 9 00:01:03.240 --> 00:01:07.319 would work the morning shift, then at three pm every day she would go 10 00:01:07.359 --> 00:01:11.480 out and see the sights of San Francisco, and she finally worked a shift 11 00:01:11.519 --> 00:01:15.719 which was scheduled the day before she was going to start her photography class, 12 00:01:15.760 --> 00:01:19.359 but then she just mysteriously vanished without a trace. A couple of her coworkers 13 00:01:19.359 --> 00:01:25.079 would recall seeing her at the mall with an unidentified blonde woman, and a 14 00:01:25.079 --> 00:01:27.719 couple weeks later, a man named John Ouma phoned in a tip to the 15 00:01:27.760 --> 00:01:33.239 news accusing two women that he knew of murdering Kristen, which turned out to 16 00:01:33.239 --> 00:01:38.760 be completely false because Onuma decided to get revenge on them because they had had 17 00:01:38.799 --> 00:01:41.879 some friction with his girlfriend and he thought that the best way to deal with 18 00:01:41.920 --> 00:01:46.719 it would be too falsely accuse them of murders. It turned out that they 19 00:01:46.719 --> 00:01:49.120 had nothing to do with Kristen's case, and even though Onuma said that it 20 00:01:49.200 --> 00:01:53.560 was just a stupid prank and that he had read about Kristen's case in the 21 00:01:53.599 --> 00:01:59.640 newspapers, people became more suspicious towards him because he turned out that he had 22 00:01:59.640 --> 00:02:01.840 a history of troubling behavior. As the years would come on, a bunch 23 00:02:01.879 --> 00:02:07.840 of women would come forward and say that they had been abused and tortured and 24 00:02:07.920 --> 00:02:10.800 scammed out of money by Numa, and apparently he said to one of them 25 00:02:10.800 --> 00:02:15.319 that she was going to wind up dead, just like Kristin Modiferi. But 26 00:02:15.599 --> 00:02:21.879 they also turned out that Kristin had possibly filed a personal ad in a local 27 00:02:21.919 --> 00:02:28.680 newspaper seeking companionship, and because Onuma was known for using other women in order 28 00:02:28.719 --> 00:02:31.560 to lure his victims to him, there has been speculation that the blonde woman 29 00:02:31.719 --> 00:02:36.759 seen at the mall with Kristin might have been involved somehow and could have been 30 00:02:36.800 --> 00:02:42.199 Onuma's girlfriend at the time, Jill Lampo, wearing a blonde wig. But 31 00:02:42.520 --> 00:02:46.879 in the end they never found any conclusive evidence to link Onuma to Kristen's disappearance. 32 00:02:46.520 --> 00:02:52.159 I know that a cadaver dog has detected kristen scent near the Sutro Bass, 33 00:02:52.199 --> 00:02:55.439 a tourist attraction located near the Pacific Ocean, but they've never been able 34 00:02:55.439 --> 00:03:00.120 to conclusively establish she was there, And in recent years, cadaver dogs have 35 00:03:00.159 --> 00:03:07.159 also detected kristen scent at the house in Oakland where she had been staying with 36 00:03:07.240 --> 00:03:09.840 four other male roommates, but they were never considered to be suspects and there's 37 00:03:09.879 --> 00:03:15.000 no evidence that foul play took place there. So after twenty seven years, 38 00:03:15.000 --> 00:03:19.039 this case is still unsolved and we have no idea what happened to Kristin or 39 00:03:19.080 --> 00:03:23.800 if she was the victim of foul play. So before we start discussing the 40 00:03:23.840 --> 00:03:27.360 known facts of the case, we want to talk about another odd lead which 41 00:03:27.439 --> 00:03:30.280 wasn't shared in Part one. Believe it or not, one person who's been 42 00:03:30.319 --> 00:03:38.120 looked at as a potential suspect in Kristen's disappearance is notorious convicted murderer Robert Durst. 43 00:03:38.479 --> 00:03:40.719 I'm sure most of you already know who Durst is, as he was 44 00:03:40.719 --> 00:03:46.240 a subject of a multi episode documentary series The Jinx The Life and Death of 45 00:03:46.319 --> 00:03:51.680 Robert Durst, which aired on HBO in twenty fifteen. Durst has always been 46 00:03:51.680 --> 00:03:55.000 the prime suspect in the nineteen eighty two disappearance of his a strange wife, 47 00:03:55.319 --> 00:04:01.520 Kathleen McCormick Durst, and during the filming of The Jink new evidence was uncovered 48 00:04:01.520 --> 00:04:05.360 to implicate Durst in the murder of a friend of his named Susan Berman, 49 00:04:06.000 --> 00:04:10.919 who was shot to death inside her home in Los Angeles on December twenty third, 50 00:04:11.000 --> 00:04:15.639 two thousand. Durst was charge of Bourbon's murder the day before the final 51 00:04:15.639 --> 00:04:19.240 episode of The Jinks aired, and in September twenty twenty one, Durst was 52 00:04:19.279 --> 00:04:24.600 finally convicted of the crime at trial and received a sentence of life imprisonment. 53 00:04:25.279 --> 00:04:29.959 Shortly thereafter, Durst was finally charged with second degree murder in his former wife's 54 00:04:29.959 --> 00:04:33.439 death, even though her remains have never been found, and these events were 55 00:04:33.480 --> 00:04:38.959 recently chronicled in The Jinks Part two, which dropped on HBO a few months 56 00:04:39.000 --> 00:04:43.399 ago. You're probably also aware that Durst once went on trial for the two 57 00:04:43.399 --> 00:04:46.519 thousand and one murder of a man named Morris Black, though he wound up 58 00:04:46.560 --> 00:04:51.199 being acquitted on the grounds of self defense. So officially, Durst has been 59 00:04:51.240 --> 00:04:56.279 implicated in the murders of three people, but attempts have been made to link 60 00:04:56.360 --> 00:05:00.879 him to some unsolved cold cases, many of them involving young missing women, 61 00:05:00.759 --> 00:05:05.959 and in an odd coincidence, when Robin recorded his original Trail Went Cold episode 62 00:05:06.120 --> 00:05:11.360 on the Christian Modi Faery case back in January of twenty twenty two, Durst 63 00:05:11.439 --> 00:05:15.680 died in prison a few days later. Okay, Robin, can you tell 64 00:05:15.759 --> 00:05:18.879 us more about the girls that he or these unsolved cold cases that Durst might 65 00:05:18.920 --> 00:05:24.199 have been tied to, Because I was obsessed with the jings, both parts 66 00:05:24.199 --> 00:05:30.160 of it thought it was fascinating and he's such a disturbed individual, but I 67 00:05:30.160 --> 00:05:32.199 had never heard that there were other unsolved cases that he might be tied to, 68 00:05:32.360 --> 00:05:35.600 especially Kristen's. Well, I'm going to talk about them right now, 69 00:05:35.680 --> 00:05:40.480 and you might recall that we did a bonus minisode on The Path Went Chiley 70 00:05:40.480 --> 00:05:43.839 about the first one I'm going to talk about, which is the nineteen seventy 71 00:05:43.879 --> 00:05:48.439 one disappearance of eighteen year old Lynn Cholsey, who vanished while attending Middlebury College 72 00:05:48.480 --> 00:05:53.240 in Middlebury, Vermont. The main reason durst has been looked at as a 73 00:05:53.240 --> 00:05:57.560 potential suspect in that case was because he owned a health food store in Middlebury 74 00:05:57.680 --> 00:06:01.040 at the time, and Lynn Scholsey was supposed seen frequenting the store a short 75 00:06:01.079 --> 00:06:05.399 time before she went missing. On November twenty fifth, nineteen ninety seven, 76 00:06:05.800 --> 00:06:12.199 five months after Kristin Mota Feri disappeared, sixteen year old Karen Mitchell vanished after 77 00:06:12.279 --> 00:06:15.360 visiting her aunt at a shoe store she owned at Bayshore Mall in Eureka, 78 00:06:15.360 --> 00:06:21.079 California, and an eyewitness reported seeing Karen climb into a light blue sedan being 79 00:06:21.160 --> 00:06:26.879 driven by an unidentified white male believed to be in his sixties or seventies. 80 00:06:27.680 --> 00:06:30.720 At the time, Dursta was living in the nearby town of Trinidad and had 81 00:06:30.759 --> 00:06:35.199 reportedly been seen frequenting the shoe store belonging to Karen's aunt, as well as 82 00:06:35.199 --> 00:06:40.720 a soup kitchen where Karen often volunteered, and he also does have a bit 83 00:06:40.759 --> 00:06:45.240 of a resemblance to the composite sketch of the older man seen driving the sedan. 84 00:06:46.199 --> 00:06:48.720 As for a Kristin Motaferi, there really isn't much to link Durst to 85 00:06:48.800 --> 00:06:53.079 her case at all, other than the fact that he owned a house in 86 00:06:53.120 --> 00:06:58.160 San Francisco during that time period. Though shortly after Durst was arrested in twenty 87 00:06:58.240 --> 00:07:02.040 fifteen, one of Kristin's sisters made a public plea for Durst to come clean 88 00:07:02.360 --> 00:07:09.240 and reveal what happened to Kristen if he was responsible for her disappearance. Wow, 89 00:07:09.319 --> 00:07:13.560 so even Christen's sister said it's possible that there is a link. It's 90 00:07:13.639 --> 00:07:23.240 disturbing because Darst is so He's incredibly smart and manipulative and somehow charismatic to people. 91 00:07:23.279 --> 00:07:26.399 Where they go towards him, they're drawn towards him. I think a 92 00:07:26.399 --> 00:07:29.959 lot of that had to do with money and a desire to have wealth to 93 00:07:30.040 --> 00:07:33.160 your name by being associated with him, or experiences being associated with him. 94 00:07:33.680 --> 00:07:41.839 But you know, for young women who were looking for someone with culture and 95 00:07:42.000 --> 00:07:46.480 knowledge and access to experiences and things like that, I could see where Durst 96 00:07:46.560 --> 00:07:51.199 became an attractive individual despite all of his bizarre quirks. But without there being 97 00:07:51.360 --> 00:07:57.120 much to go on. I'm assuming Durst is not really a main lead in 98 00:07:57.160 --> 00:07:59.800 her case. Is that right? Pretty much? Yeah? I mean, 99 00:07:59.800 --> 00:08:03.079 the the only reason people have looked at her at him as a potential suspect 100 00:08:03.079 --> 00:08:07.199 in the Christen Moda Fairy case is because Karen Mitchell just happened to go missing 101 00:08:07.199 --> 00:08:11.160 a few months later, And even though there's pretty much a tentative connection there, 102 00:08:11.279 --> 00:08:15.639 at least in that one, you have a suspect to kind of resembles 103 00:08:15.720 --> 00:08:18.160 Durst, and I think they were just looking at these similar cases of young 104 00:08:18.199 --> 00:08:22.879 women going missing in California so close apart will Durst happened to be living in 105 00:08:22.920 --> 00:08:26.160 the area that they kind of put two and two together. But I don't 106 00:08:26.199 --> 00:08:30.879 think this would have happened unless Durst had been a suspect in those other crimes 107 00:08:30.959 --> 00:08:33.960 we talked about, like the disappearance of his former wife and the murder of 108 00:08:35.000 --> 00:08:39.639 Susan Berman. If you've seen The Jinx, you'll know that Dursts sometimes like 109 00:08:39.679 --> 00:08:45.000 to dress and drag in order to disguise his appearance. So one of the 110 00:08:45.039 --> 00:08:48.519 more outrageous theories in this case is that he could have been the mysterious blonde 111 00:08:48.519 --> 00:08:54.200 woman seen with Kristin at the galleria. However, the Oakland pd IS announced 112 00:08:54.200 --> 00:08:58.000 that they never found any evidence to connect Rst to Kristen's disappearance, and it 113 00:08:58.000 --> 00:09:01.879 sounds like he's pretty much all but been ruled out as a suspect. In 114 00:09:01.919 --> 00:09:07.919 fact, if it wasn't for Durst's relatively tenuous connection to Karen Mitchell's disappearance, 115 00:09:07.240 --> 00:09:11.559 which took place five months later, I'm not sure anyone would have ever attempted 116 00:09:11.559 --> 00:09:16.559 to link him to Christian's case at all. Well, Durst is undeniably a 117 00:09:16.639 --> 00:09:20.480 murderer. It sounds like he only killed people whom he considered to be an 118 00:09:20.480 --> 00:09:24.559 obstacle or threat to him, So I'm not sure that being a predator who 119 00:09:24.600 --> 00:09:30.000 targets random young victims like Lynn Cholsey, Christian MOTIFERI, and Karen Mitchell was 120 00:09:30.080 --> 00:09:35.240 part of his modus operandi. The Durst connection was definitely worth mentioning here, 121 00:09:35.320 --> 00:09:39.759 but I ultimately believe he has nothing to do with this case. Yes, 122 00:09:39.799 --> 00:09:41.519 I definitely think when you look at some of the other case, especially Karen's, 123 00:09:41.679 --> 00:09:46.840 he was present often times, like going to the soup kitchen she volunteered. 124 00:09:46.879 --> 00:09:50.679 Dad. He has no reason to beat the soup kitchen, and there's 125 00:09:50.720 --> 00:09:54.440 those kind of bizarre ways that he would show up in scenarios where he didn't 126 00:09:54.480 --> 00:09:58.879 belong that would definitely make Karen's case seem like, hey, we need to 127 00:09:58.919 --> 00:10:01.840 look at this guy with kristin just saying it's another young girl who disappeared. 128 00:10:03.480 --> 00:10:05.039 Yes, there was the blonde lane in the mall, but no one reported 129 00:10:05.039 --> 00:10:09.919 that she was distinguished looking or odd looking, or looked like she had a 130 00:10:09.919 --> 00:10:13.840 wig on or anything like that. So I would tend to think it's just 131 00:10:13.879 --> 00:10:18.799 a kind of loose link of saying it's possible. But I would be much 132 00:10:18.799 --> 00:10:22.200 more inclined to think it's her going out and exploring and getting caught up with 133 00:10:22.240 --> 00:10:28.320 the wrong person and or John having something to do with it. And it's 134 00:10:28.360 --> 00:10:31.639 kind of funny how when I mentioned Robert Durst on my original Trail in Cold 135 00:10:31.679 --> 00:10:35.559 episode, he died a few days later, And earlier this year I did 136 00:10:35.559 --> 00:10:39.279 another Trail and Cold episode where I made reference to OJ Simpson and then he 137 00:10:39.360 --> 00:10:43.000 died a few days later. So it seems like if we mentioned notorious murderers, 138 00:10:43.039 --> 00:10:46.080 they'll drop dead. Maybe it's good. Should we talk about Should we 139 00:10:46.120 --> 00:10:54.519 talk about John o'numa. Now, there are alternate theories which do not involve 140 00:10:54.600 --> 00:10:58.200 Kristin being the victim of foul play, as it's possible that she could have 141 00:10:58.240 --> 00:11:03.120 traveled to land End on the day she disappeared and accidentally fallen into the Pacific 142 00:11:03.159 --> 00:11:07.480 Ocean near Sutra Bass before her body washed away. In fact, if she 143 00:11:07.600 --> 00:11:11.639 was feeling suicidal, she theoretically could have jumped into the ocean to take her 144 00:11:11.679 --> 00:11:16.039 own life. But this is one case where I'm pretty confident that there's absolutely 145 00:11:16.080 --> 00:11:20.480 nothing to back up a suicide theory unless she did a very effective job at 146 00:11:20.519 --> 00:11:26.480 hiding her depression from everyone. I suppose we can't completely discount the possibility that 147 00:11:26.600 --> 00:11:31.919 Kristin fell into the ocean accidentally. But the problem is that we can't even 148 00:11:31.960 --> 00:11:37.000 conclusively establish that she was at this location on June the twenty third, even 149 00:11:37.080 --> 00:11:41.840 though a bloodhound detector is sent there. Kristin had mentioned attending a summer Solstice 150 00:11:41.840 --> 00:11:46.240 party at Ocean Beach two days earlier, on June the twenty first. Yes, 151 00:11:46.279 --> 00:11:50.120 it was also never established that Kristin attended this party, but this could 152 00:11:50.200 --> 00:11:54.679 provide an alternate explanation for her scent being picked up on that area, as 153 00:11:54.720 --> 00:11:58.480 bloodhous are not going to be able to pinpoint the exact date as scent was 154 00:11:58.559 --> 00:12:03.159 left there. It's possible this entire lead is nothing more than a red herring. 155 00:12:03.519 --> 00:12:07.600 But regardless of whether Christen traveled with that location on the twenty first or 156 00:12:07.679 --> 00:12:11.679 twenty third, I do believe she went missing because she cross passed with the 157 00:12:11.679 --> 00:12:16.639 wrong person after her final shift at Spinelli's. That's exactly what I think would 158 00:12:16.679 --> 00:12:22.519 have happened. I think that she crossed paths with somebody. It's possible it's 159 00:12:22.519 --> 00:12:26.279 this blonde lady who kind of intercepted her at the mall. And you, 160 00:12:26.639 --> 00:12:30.279 if you've ever been in one of those situations where you start talking to a 161 00:12:30.279 --> 00:12:33.919 stranger and you can't really get away, It's possible something like that happened where 162 00:12:33.919 --> 00:12:37.919 she kind of felt obligated to continue this conversation with her. It's possible this 163 00:12:39.000 --> 00:12:41.759 lady presented as knowing a lot about the city and could show her places. 164 00:12:43.279 --> 00:12:46.440 And is it the woman who heard her, or is it that she did 165 00:12:46.480 --> 00:12:50.639 get away from that woman and then ran into somebody else on her adventure who 166 00:12:50.639 --> 00:12:54.759 took advantage of her. I think both are possible avenues, which, like 167 00:12:54.799 --> 00:12:58.519 we said before is what makes this so complicated. Blonde lady could be nothing 168 00:12:58.559 --> 00:13:03.519 but a red who's just distracting us from the actual perpetrator. The blonde lady 169 00:13:03.519 --> 00:13:09.240 could have been working with John to target her and get a vulnerable person in 170 00:13:09.279 --> 00:13:13.440 his care. Or she could have left that blonde woman and gone on a 171 00:13:13.519 --> 00:13:18.799 totally different route and not had anything to do with John or this per Now, 172 00:13:18.840 --> 00:13:24.240 for me, I don't think that that beach scent is very powerful whatsoever. 173 00:13:24.720 --> 00:13:26.960 If she had been down to the beach in the last couple of days, 174 00:13:26.200 --> 00:13:30.519 the dogs would have hit on her scent, And so is it possible 175 00:13:30.600 --> 00:13:33.720 she was there that night or that day. Sure, but she definitely was 176 00:13:33.759 --> 00:13:37.919 there two days beforehand. That we believe she was there two days beforehand, 177 00:13:39.639 --> 00:13:43.519 So it doesn't really give us much information. I do not think she was 178 00:13:43.559 --> 00:13:48.320 suicidal. This girl is chasing a major dream and putting all the puzzle pieces 179 00:13:48.320 --> 00:13:52.480 into place to make it come true, like working, getting her living situation, 180 00:13:52.679 --> 00:13:56.279 getting ready to start her dream class at Berkeley. She was a go 181 00:13:56.320 --> 00:14:00.480 getter and she was pumped about this dream. She was on really being a 182 00:14:00.519 --> 00:14:03.159 tourist, getting to explore a new place. No part of me thinks that 183 00:14:03.200 --> 00:14:07.399 she took her own life. I'm curious, but what is both of your 184 00:14:07.480 --> 00:14:13.600 gut feelings about the blonde woman. Do you think that she's somehow is complicit 185 00:14:13.639 --> 00:14:16.519 in this crime or as part of this or do you think that she's a 186 00:14:16.559 --> 00:14:22.120 red herring. I'm even considering the possibility that her coworkers may have been mistaken 187 00:14:22.159 --> 00:14:26.159 that maybe they saw someone else who wasn't Kristin with a blonde woman, or 188 00:14:26.200 --> 00:14:30.200 maybe saw her on a different day if that wasn't her final shift, and 189 00:14:30.279 --> 00:14:33.840 just got the dates mixed up. But that's the thing is that if John 190 00:14:33.879 --> 00:14:39.320 o'numa was responsible, then I would think that Jill Lampo would be the prime 191 00:14:39.399 --> 00:14:41.519 suspect to be the blonde woman. But she was a brunette at the time, 192 00:14:41.879 --> 00:14:45.360 and I don't know if she's the type of person who would go to 193 00:14:45.360 --> 00:14:48.159 the trouble of putting on a blonde wig in order to lure Kristin to her 194 00:14:48.159 --> 00:14:54.639 boyfriend. I think that she could have just been somebody who was there talking 195 00:14:54.679 --> 00:14:58.039 to Kristin, and she's one of these kiddos who's just kind of on this 196 00:14:58.440 --> 00:15:03.039 journey to it explore the city and to kind of meet new people and have 197 00:15:03.080 --> 00:15:07.919 new cultural experiences. So if she meets someone interesting and she's just talking to 198 00:15:07.960 --> 00:15:11.120 them, I could see her spending forty five minutes talking to somebody new and 199 00:15:11.159 --> 00:15:18.639 then walking away. I don't see it being someone who abducted her. I 200 00:15:18.679 --> 00:15:22.960 mean, could you have taken her somewhere that was dangerous, yes, But 201 00:15:22.039 --> 00:15:24.960 I also think it could have just been her being social and getting caught up 202 00:15:24.960 --> 00:15:28.480 in a conversation with someone who was interesting to her at the time. Yeah, 203 00:15:28.519 --> 00:15:31.360 I've got nothing to back it up, but it feels to me like 204 00:15:31.559 --> 00:15:35.000 gut feeling that it's a red herring. I mean, she could have come 205 00:15:35.039 --> 00:15:39.360 across so many different people while working at Spinelli's, because it appears that she 206 00:15:39.480 --> 00:15:43.200 worked a great deal. If she had a paycheck of four hundred dollars, 207 00:15:43.600 --> 00:15:46.960 that seems like she would have had to have worked a lot of hours back 208 00:15:48.000 --> 00:15:52.399 then to have that type of a paycheck. So she's opening herself up to 209 00:15:52.559 --> 00:15:56.200 a variety of people there, and like as she brought up in Part one, 210 00:15:56.879 --> 00:16:02.440 having this if it was her personal ad that she'd placed looking for friends, 211 00:16:03.039 --> 00:16:07.320 she's also opening herself up there. So there's just so many different possibilities 212 00:16:07.399 --> 00:16:11.519 that the idea that this woman has to be tied to her disappearance is like 213 00:16:11.080 --> 00:16:17.840 tenuous at best. So on our last episode, we mentioned a guy named 214 00:16:17.919 --> 00:16:22.600 Dennis Mann who approached the Modifery family back in nineteen ninety seven to volunteer to 215 00:16:22.639 --> 00:16:27.480 assist them with the investigation. He traveled to California and essentially lived in a 216 00:16:27.559 --> 00:16:33.480 van while he tracked down leads and interviewed people connected to the case. It 217 00:16:33.559 --> 00:16:37.120 sounds like he expected Kristen to be found within a couple of months and never 218 00:16:37.240 --> 00:16:41.320 dreamed this case would still be unsolved twenty seven years later. But regardless, 219 00:16:41.320 --> 00:16:45.200 Mann is not given up, which is why he continues to run his website 220 00:16:45.279 --> 00:16:51.240 find Christian dot com and released a multi episode podcast with the same title in 221 00:16:51.279 --> 00:16:56.120 twenty twenty. Throughout his investigation, Mann was able to dig up some interesting 222 00:16:56.159 --> 00:17:00.440 new information about John and Numa and Joe Lampo, and while there's still no 223 00:17:00.600 --> 00:17:06.559 direct evidence that they had any involvement in Christian's disappearance, there is a good 224 00:17:06.599 --> 00:17:10.200 reason to believe that at the very least, they might know more than they're 225 00:17:10.240 --> 00:17:15.640 letting on now. Regardless of whether or not he's guilty of harming kristin it, 226 00:17:15.720 --> 00:17:21.400 seems indisputable that John o'numa is a pretty terrible human because he's seriously hampered 227 00:17:21.400 --> 00:17:26.720 the investigation by phoning in a false tip to implicate two innocent women, And 228 00:17:26.759 --> 00:17:30.000 if even a fraction of the allegations about him abusing other women and conning them 229 00:17:30.000 --> 00:17:33.440 out of their money are true, then he's damn lucky that he's not in 230 00:17:33.480 --> 00:17:38.119 prison for something. The women who have accused a Numa of abuse claimed that 231 00:17:38.200 --> 00:17:42.119 he would use other women in order to lure them to him, and with 232 00:17:42.240 --> 00:17:47.559 the evidence that we have, it's easy to imagine a similar scenario happening to 233 00:17:47.640 --> 00:17:52.599 Kristin. A newspaper containing a circled personal ad was found in Christian's room in 234 00:17:52.640 --> 00:17:56.440 which the writer was seeking a female companion for a number of the same hobbies 235 00:17:56.440 --> 00:18:00.359 at Christen Light. So it's possible that a new placed the ad and she 236 00:18:00.519 --> 00:18:06.200 answered it. But since Kristen was living inside a house with only male roommates, 237 00:18:06.359 --> 00:18:10.640 perhaps she was looking for female friends and place the ad herself. In 238 00:18:10.680 --> 00:18:14.359 fact, she did tell her roommates that she went to the Summer Solstice party 239 00:18:14.400 --> 00:18:18.440 at Ocean Beach with two women on June twenty first, but they were never 240 00:18:18.480 --> 00:18:22.559 identified. Whatever the case, it's reasonable to assume that Christian might have met 241 00:18:22.599 --> 00:18:26.880 the unidentified blonde woman seen with her at the galleria through the personal ad. 242 00:18:27.759 --> 00:18:32.160 It sounds like it was very at a character for Kristin to still be hanging 243 00:18:32.200 --> 00:18:36.559 around the mall, to still be hanging around the mall forty five minutes after 244 00:18:36.559 --> 00:18:40.920 her shift ended, But part of me wonders if Christian's coworkers saw her from 245 00:18:40.920 --> 00:18:44.480 a distance, it might have mistaken her for someone else, or maybe just 246 00:18:44.599 --> 00:18:48.720 misremember the date and actually saw Kristin and the blonde on a previous occasion. 247 00:18:48.759 --> 00:18:53.279 The coworkers described them as walking shoulder to shoulder, which seems to indicate that 248 00:18:53.319 --> 00:18:57.319 they were together and it was not just a coincidental sighting where Kristin was just 249 00:18:57.400 --> 00:19:03.440 passing some random strangers that she did not know. But if deciding was accurate, 250 00:19:03.599 --> 00:19:07.720 then it's possible the blonde had some sort of involvement in Christian's disappearance, 251 00:19:07.119 --> 00:19:11.960 particularly since she's never come forward. It is odd that she hasn't come forward, 252 00:19:11.960 --> 00:19:17.160 but it's also very possible she never saw call to come forward. It's 253 00:19:17.160 --> 00:19:21.240 possible she didn't know Kristen that well, and so it wasn't paying attention to 254 00:19:21.319 --> 00:19:23.839 the news. And remember back then you didn't have things like the Internet, 255 00:19:23.920 --> 00:19:30.160 and you just didn't have the same access to media and news stories and things 256 00:19:30.200 --> 00:19:33.839 like that. So it's very possible this is someone else who's traveling. It's 257 00:19:33.960 --> 00:19:37.799 very possible that this is another student who comes and goes from campus. So 258 00:19:37.200 --> 00:19:41.440 all kinds of reasons why you might not have had that blonde come forward, 259 00:19:42.880 --> 00:19:48.039 More so than just being someone who's guilty, right, there could have been 260 00:19:48.039 --> 00:19:51.319 a very innocent reason why they never came forward. Also, if their young 261 00:19:51.440 --> 00:19:55.279 fear of being implicated in something they didn't have anything to do with might prevent 262 00:19:55.319 --> 00:20:00.720 them from coming forward as well. Now, if Onuba was behind the whole 263 00:20:00.759 --> 00:20:03.400 thing, then the most promising candidate to be the blonde is Jill Lampo. 264 00:20:03.640 --> 00:20:07.960 But, like we mentioned earlier, Lampo is a brunette. So unless Lampo 265 00:20:08.079 --> 00:20:11.640 dyed her hair or was wearing a blonde wig, could it be possible that 266 00:20:11.680 --> 00:20:15.720 Ouma was using other women to lure his victims to him during this time period. 267 00:20:17.599 --> 00:20:21.519 Well, here's what odd piece of evidence which suggests that Lampo may have 268 00:20:21.599 --> 00:20:26.720 some complicity. In June of twenty twelve, Lambeau had a lengthy and very 269 00:20:26.759 --> 00:20:30.000 emotional phone call with her uncle, which prompted him to start taking notes and 270 00:20:30.000 --> 00:20:34.839 writing down what she was saying. At one point, Lampo supposedly shared a 271 00:20:34.880 --> 00:20:40.920 story about having once dated a controlling man in San Francisco who convinced her to 272 00:20:41.079 --> 00:20:45.839 quote unquote assist in an unspeakable kidnap and murder. Well, these notes eventually 273 00:20:45.880 --> 00:20:48.880 made their way into the hands of Dennis Mann, and you can see a 274 00:20:48.920 --> 00:20:53.599 photograph of them at the Fine Christian website. These notes were turned over to 275 00:20:53.640 --> 00:20:57.039 the Oakland PD, but it doesn't sound like this lead has gone anywhere, 276 00:20:57.319 --> 00:21:03.480 as Lampo did not provide any specific details about this quote unquote kidnap and murder, 277 00:21:03.880 --> 00:21:07.720 and even though it was reasonable to assume that this quote unquote controlling man 278 00:21:07.720 --> 00:21:11.400 in San Francisco was John Onuma, she never actually referred to him by name. 279 00:21:12.640 --> 00:21:18.319 Lampo did agree to be interviewed during a KGOTV segment that aired five years 280 00:21:18.400 --> 00:21:22.079 later, where she claimed that she was at the library on the day Christen 281 00:21:22.119 --> 00:21:26.640 disappeared and even held up her library card for the camera. Though I'm not 282 00:21:26.799 --> 00:21:30.960 entirely sure how this card is supposed to prove that she was there on June 283 00:21:30.000 --> 00:21:34.319 the twenty third, nineteen ninety seven. However, when asked about the false 284 00:21:34.359 --> 00:21:38.759 tip that Onuma phone did during that time period, Lampo did not hesitate to 285 00:21:38.839 --> 00:21:44.160 express her suspicions about him, stating, quote to me, that would imply 286 00:21:44.279 --> 00:21:48.359 guilt. If you're going to call and draw attention to yourself, that implies 287 00:21:48.400 --> 00:21:52.240 you want attention for some reason. End quote. It's almost like she's putting 288 00:21:52.240 --> 00:21:56.240 little breadcrumbs out there to say, yes, something's wrong with him, or 289 00:21:56.279 --> 00:22:00.720 look at him, but I don't want to be associated with it. There's 290 00:22:00.759 --> 00:22:04.680 a very little reason the uncle would share this kind of information about the emotional 291 00:22:04.680 --> 00:22:11.839 phone call with her unless a he wants attention or two he's actually highly concerned 292 00:22:11.880 --> 00:22:17.920 about Lampo and or John and wanting to provide that kind of information to the 293 00:22:17.960 --> 00:22:21.799 police. But for me, when you do look at what she says, 294 00:22:21.839 --> 00:22:23.240 she said, this would imply guilt. If you're going to call and draw 295 00:22:23.240 --> 00:22:27.279 attention to yourself, it implies you want attention for some reason. And we 296 00:22:27.319 --> 00:22:33.839 talked about that earlier. John is an attention seeker. He's a problem starter. 297 00:22:33.480 --> 00:22:40.440 And for someone who made a mistake and did this horrible call to police, 298 00:22:40.839 --> 00:22:44.279 misleading the investigation, and said, oh, crap, I went too 299 00:22:44.359 --> 00:22:48.559 far. Shouldn't have done that. You should naturally fade away. John seems 300 00:22:48.599 --> 00:22:53.240 to continue to one up and continue to put his hand out to say, 301 00:22:53.279 --> 00:22:59.400 please look at me, include me in the coverage of this case years and 302 00:22:59.480 --> 00:23:03.119 years later. So I tend to believe what Lampo's saying when she says, 303 00:23:03.160 --> 00:23:06.759 hey, if you're going to call and draw attention to yourself, it implies 304 00:23:06.799 --> 00:23:11.319 you want attention for some reason aka guilt. She probably knows a lot more 305 00:23:11.359 --> 00:23:14.680 than what she's saying. And it is crazy to think, like we were 306 00:23:14.680 --> 00:23:18.839 talking about how ridiculous it was that when this first happened, when Onuma phoned 307 00:23:18.880 --> 00:23:21.480 in that false tip, he was thirty six years old at the time. 308 00:23:21.559 --> 00:23:25.880 He wasn't just some stupid teenager or some stupid kid, And now he would 309 00:23:25.880 --> 00:23:29.440 be in his early sixties, and he still is not shying away from the 310 00:23:29.440 --> 00:23:33.440 atension of this case. Whenever they try to interview him about it, he 311 00:23:33.559 --> 00:23:37.039 is willing to go on the record and speak to the cameras. So he's 312 00:23:37.200 --> 00:23:41.079 still not trying to distance himself from it, even though he's becoming a senior 313 00:23:41.119 --> 00:23:45.960 citizen. But before we talk anymore about Jill Lampo or John and Numa, 314 00:23:47.079 --> 00:23:51.880 we have to discuss another possible angle, and that's the possibility that Christian was 315 00:23:51.880 --> 00:23:55.480 harmed by one or more of the four male roommates that she was living with 316 00:23:55.559 --> 00:24:00.000 in Oakland. Their living situation was a bit unusual, as the house was 317 00:24:00.079 --> 00:24:03.920 going through foreclosure and the landlord had stopped paying the mortgage. However, since 318 00:24:03.920 --> 00:24:08.759 the foreclosure process usually took several months, Kristin and the other roommates could still 319 00:24:08.839 --> 00:24:14.279 keep living in the house as the actual eviction was not actually scheduled to take 320 00:24:14.319 --> 00:24:18.119 place until the end of the summer, by which time Kristin would return to 321 00:24:18.200 --> 00:24:22.599 North Carolina for her sophomore year at NC State. I know that one of 322 00:24:22.599 --> 00:24:26.400 these roommates had recently broken up with a girlfriend who'd moved out of the house 323 00:24:26.440 --> 00:24:30.559 to travel to France, which is why a spare room became available for Kristin 324 00:24:30.599 --> 00:24:33.440 to rent. Now, while the idea of an eighteen year old like Kristin 325 00:24:33.559 --> 00:24:37.960 living alone in a strange city at a house with four other guys she didn't 326 00:24:38.000 --> 00:24:42.480 even know might sound like a major red flag, it must be stated that 327 00:24:42.599 --> 00:24:48.559 Dennis Men personally interviewed most of these roommates and thought they were nice, cordial 328 00:24:48.599 --> 00:24:52.160 guys who didn't give off any suspicious vibes, so he's inclined to believe that 329 00:24:52.319 --> 00:24:57.279 none of them had anything to do with Kristen's disappearance. Guess it might seem 330 00:24:57.319 --> 00:25:02.799 odd that they waited three days with without reporting Kristin missing and did not take 331 00:25:02.799 --> 00:25:06.839 the initiative to call the police until after they spoke with her father, But 332 00:25:06.920 --> 00:25:10.240 the fact of the matter is that she'd only been there for three weeks, 333 00:25:10.440 --> 00:25:12.759 and it's not like any of them had a close relationship with her. The 334 00:25:12.839 --> 00:25:17.319 roommates were going in and out of the house all the time, and Kristen's 335 00:25:17.359 --> 00:25:19.920 routine was pretty much waking up early to work the morning shift at Spinelli's, 336 00:25:21.240 --> 00:25:25.160 exploring San Francisco after a shift ended, and then returning home late at night. 337 00:25:25.680 --> 00:25:29.240 These guys never saw Kristin all that much to begin with, so this 338 00:25:29.319 --> 00:25:33.079 probably explains why they didn't become alarmed when she didn't return home on the evening 339 00:25:33.119 --> 00:25:37.920 of June twenty third. Absolutely, I don't see this as suspicious at all. 340 00:25:38.119 --> 00:25:42.880 These guys had their own lives, Kristen's eighteen. She wasn't really close 341 00:25:42.920 --> 00:25:45.519 to these people. She had just been there a couple of weeks, so 342 00:25:45.839 --> 00:25:48.960 it is kind of this place to line my head. But she's not getting 343 00:25:48.960 --> 00:25:53.400 her socialization and bonding from the people inside her house. So the fact that 344 00:25:53.440 --> 00:25:57.519 they don't report her missing, the assumption would be she's living her own life. 345 00:25:57.599 --> 00:26:00.200 The girl comes and goes when she wants. We don't keep tabs on 346 00:26:00.240 --> 00:26:04.799 each other, so why would we report her missing? Now? What speaks 347 00:26:04.880 --> 00:26:10.400 volumes is at the moment they get a voicemail on the home answering machine and 348 00:26:10.480 --> 00:26:15.559 they hear her parents saying, has anyone seen Kristen? We're concerned something's not 349 00:26:15.720 --> 00:26:18.440 right. One of them calls right back, and all of them start to 350 00:26:18.440 --> 00:26:22.920 go into action to help the parents. While they're on their way over to 351 00:26:22.960 --> 00:26:26.759 San Francisco, they're making reports to the police that she's missing. So I 352 00:26:26.920 --> 00:26:33.039 just don't see them being helpful to the parents and being concerned when the parents 353 00:26:33.440 --> 00:26:38.200 express concern. I don't see that being any kind of red flags other than 354 00:26:38.240 --> 00:26:44.400 just these other kids living their life until adults say help, something's wrong, 355 00:26:44.440 --> 00:26:48.559 and they say, okay, tell me what to do. Under normal circumstances, 356 00:26:48.599 --> 00:26:52.160 there really wouldn't be much reason to suspect these roommates of any involvement, 357 00:26:52.640 --> 00:26:56.599 But we can't ignore the findings of Buster, the cadaver dog who detected the 358 00:26:56.599 --> 00:27:02.119 scent of human decomposition at the house two decades later, and the fact that 359 00:27:02.160 --> 00:27:06.559 a chemical signature denoting the presence of human blood was found near the location. 360 00:27:07.240 --> 00:27:11.680 Now, I must admit that I'm pretty confused about the whole DNA testing process, 361 00:27:11.079 --> 00:27:18.079 as DNA samples provided by Christen's parents supposedly matched the DNA within some decomposition 362 00:27:18.160 --> 00:27:22.920 chemicals found at the scene. This seemed to indicate that Christen's blood had been 363 00:27:22.960 --> 00:27:26.720 there twenty years earlier. But the issue is that the proprietary device doctor R. 364 00:27:26.839 --> 00:27:30.839 Pod Vas used to make these findings was so new that it was still 365 00:27:30.880 --> 00:27:34.839 under patent review at that time, so he couldn't provide much of an explanation 366 00:27:34.920 --> 00:27:40.799 of how this device actually worked. The details are pretty murky, but I 367 00:27:40.839 --> 00:27:45.279 get the impression that the Oakland PD may not believe these findings are credible enough 368 00:27:45.559 --> 00:27:48.440 to prove that foul play took place there, which is why they've never attempted 369 00:27:48.480 --> 00:27:53.319 to perform any additional searches. If nothing else. The findings would require a 370 00:27:53.319 --> 00:27:59.440 lot of independent scientific verification before they could be used as evidence to make an 371 00:27:59.519 --> 00:28:04.119 arrest or bring someone to trial. I'm not a fan of any of this 372 00:28:04.240 --> 00:28:10.359 evidence that came about when we're looking at doctor r pad Vas's information. To 373 00:28:10.519 --> 00:28:15.799 me, again, I think that the idea that you have these private experts 374 00:28:15.119 --> 00:28:19.240 who can kind of work within any realm they want to. There aren't the 375 00:28:19.279 --> 00:28:23.880 same restrictions, there are not the same protocols, there's not the same standards, 376 00:28:23.880 --> 00:28:29.599 and there's not the same communication with family. I have trouble when you 377 00:28:29.640 --> 00:28:33.559 mix a lot of those kinds of individuals into an investigation who are providing this 378 00:28:33.759 --> 00:28:38.920 incredibly promising information to the family and claiming that they've told the police, and 379 00:28:38.960 --> 00:28:42.960 the police don't react. If you told me you had a DNA hit and 380 00:28:44.000 --> 00:28:48.039 you shared it with law enforcement, why would they not want to work towards 381 00:28:48.079 --> 00:28:52.000 finding out what happened to this eighteen year old girl. I think there's something 382 00:28:52.039 --> 00:28:55.240 a little bit more fishy going on, especially when you look at these kind 383 00:28:55.279 --> 00:29:00.519 of new technologies and these tests that are performed years later. It's suspicious to 384 00:29:00.599 --> 00:29:04.759 me. It rings more of someone trying to exploit the family, and or 385 00:29:04.920 --> 00:29:08.279 not being as well versed in their craft as they claim to be, and 386 00:29:08.400 --> 00:29:12.559 just trying to present as a bigger influence in the case than they're able to 387 00:29:12.599 --> 00:29:15.680 do. I started rolling my eyes, and I'm thinking, Yeah, this 388 00:29:15.880 --> 00:29:22.680 DNA testing where the DNA from Christen's parents supposedly matched the DNA within some decomposition 389 00:29:22.799 --> 00:29:26.240 chemicals, is making me think that this is nothing more than junk science. 390 00:29:26.799 --> 00:29:32.480 But let's just say that these findings are credible even if Buster the cadaver dog 391 00:29:32.720 --> 00:29:37.240 was accurate and some sort of human decomposition did take place at that location. 392 00:29:37.160 --> 00:29:41.720 Let's not forget the Buster ones detected the remains of buried soldiers who were killed 393 00:29:41.799 --> 00:29:48.000 during World War Two. Human decomposition chemicals can remain in the soil for centuries, 394 00:29:48.480 --> 00:29:51.519 so for all we know, Buster could have detected a scent from a 395 00:29:51.559 --> 00:29:56.319 body which had once decomposed on that spot hundreds of years ago, and his 396 00:29:56.400 --> 00:30:00.680 reaction may not have had anything to do with Kristen's case. And the chemical 397 00:30:00.720 --> 00:30:04.599 signature denoting the presence of blood was not found inside Christian's former house, but 398 00:30:04.720 --> 00:30:08.640 rather at the base of the porch steps for the residence next door, which 399 00:30:08.720 --> 00:30:14.319 had been a halfway house for juvenile offenders who violated their probation back in nineteen 400 00:30:14.359 --> 00:30:18.640 ninety seven. This might imply that Christian could have crossed paths with one of 401 00:30:18.680 --> 00:30:22.599 the offenders from the residents and they did something to her near the porch steps 402 00:30:22.640 --> 00:30:26.200 before moving her body. But from what I can tell, this place mostly 403 00:30:26.200 --> 00:30:33.319 housed juvenile drug offenders rather than violent, hardcore criminals. Yeah, I absolutely 404 00:30:33.359 --> 00:30:37.279 think that when you look at the presence of blood, that when you say 405 00:30:37.319 --> 00:30:41.880 that there was a presence of this blood, or that you know there were 406 00:30:41.920 --> 00:30:47.039 decomposition chemicals and things like that, there could have been so many elements that 407 00:30:47.440 --> 00:30:52.279 fed into that reading and that fed into that conclusion. And so even those 408 00:30:52.359 --> 00:30:53.920 kids, those juvelenal Lincolns, what if they had gotten in a fight and 409 00:30:55.000 --> 00:31:00.880 someone had broken their nose, or there had been tissue that they sneezed out 410 00:31:00.039 --> 00:31:04.920 or coughed out or something like that. There's so many reasons you could have 411 00:31:06.079 --> 00:31:11.720 those things occur. I just don't think that Kristen was at the residence when 412 00:31:11.720 --> 00:31:15.599 she was hurt. I think she was exploring and got caught up with someone 413 00:31:15.640 --> 00:31:19.400 who was promising her an adventure, someone who wanted to be her quote friend 414 00:31:19.559 --> 00:31:23.559 and take her somewhere, and she trusted the wrong person. I just don't 415 00:31:23.599 --> 00:31:27.039 see the four guys at the house being the people who did that when she 416 00:31:27.359 --> 00:31:33.200 just wasn't a part of their kind of daily interaction. I almost think had 417 00:31:33.240 --> 00:31:37.119 they been super close, the roommates and Kristin, I'd be a little bit 418 00:31:37.119 --> 00:31:41.359 more suspicious, like maybe one of them had come on to her and she 419 00:31:41.480 --> 00:31:45.119 denied them, or maybe they had gotten in a fight or something like that. 420 00:31:45.359 --> 00:31:48.240 But I really feel like this was a state of convenience and that all 421 00:31:48.279 --> 00:31:52.319 of them kind of lived these separate lives. I just don't see the home 422 00:31:52.400 --> 00:31:56.640 being a big place of interest for the investigation. And I feel like we 423 00:31:56.680 --> 00:32:00.920 could almost write off the juvenile offenders because the sophistication that it would take to 424 00:32:00.960 --> 00:32:05.440 be able to dispose of a body. They just don't have the tools and 425 00:32:05.519 --> 00:32:09.559 implements at the ready for them, such as a vehicle and all the other 426 00:32:09.599 --> 00:32:13.839 things that would be required to do that. They are accountable to the people 427 00:32:13.839 --> 00:32:16.599 at the halfway house, and although most of them might be leaving to work 428 00:32:16.720 --> 00:32:22.440 and to reintegrate into society, it doesn't mean that they have all the time 429 00:32:22.480 --> 00:32:27.839 in the world, and that they would be able to manage something like concealing 430 00:32:27.880 --> 00:32:30.200 a body and disposing of it in a way that would never be found. 431 00:32:30.720 --> 00:32:35.680 I would pray there'd be more supervision and things like that for juvenile offenders who 432 00:32:35.720 --> 00:32:37.920 are needing to be in a home. There'd be more where people were watching, 433 00:32:37.960 --> 00:32:42.119 and wouldn't they wouldn't have time to do any of that. Yeah, 434 00:32:42.160 --> 00:32:45.400 The problem with these findings is that we have no eyewitnesses or any evidence that 435 00:32:45.440 --> 00:32:51.400 could confirm Kristin return to this location at any point after she left Spinelle's on 436 00:32:51.519 --> 00:32:54.519 June the twenty third. Remember, this house was in Oakland, and Kristin 437 00:32:54.599 --> 00:32:59.960 went missing in San Francisco, as she always used the Bay Area Rapid Transit 438 00:33:00.119 --> 00:33:05.480 system to commute back and forth across San Francisco Bay. John Onomah only lived 439 00:33:05.480 --> 00:33:08.440 a mile away from the Crocker Galleria, so if he was responsible for harming 440 00:33:08.480 --> 00:33:13.480 Kristin, it doesn't make any sense for him to transport her body back to 441 00:33:13.519 --> 00:33:17.400 Oakland, unless perhaps Numa followed Kristin back to her house or she invited him 442 00:33:17.400 --> 00:33:22.480 there. But if something happened to Kristin at that location, what are the 443 00:33:22.480 --> 00:33:25.559 odds that none of her four roommates would have seen anything. When I first 444 00:33:25.599 --> 00:33:30.240 heard about these new discoveries at the house years ago, I thought they might 445 00:33:30.359 --> 00:33:35.000 edge this case ever so closer to being solved. But they've only complicated things 446 00:33:35.079 --> 00:33:39.440 and made the circumstances of Kristen's disappearance a lot more confusing. Yeah, I 447 00:33:39.440 --> 00:33:44.039 think they've been distracting. I think that there are things that gave false hope 448 00:33:44.079 --> 00:33:47.640 and false promises, and yet when you look at her last whereabouts, it 449 00:33:47.680 --> 00:33:53.319 doesn't really make sense. No one saw her being on any kind of transportation 450 00:33:53.599 --> 00:33:59.119 to get home, no one saw her arrive at home, no one saw 451 00:33:59.160 --> 00:34:01.680 her over in Oaka. So to me, you've got to focus more on 452 00:34:01.720 --> 00:34:07.799 the mall where we know she was last seen, possibly that blonde lady, 453 00:34:07.799 --> 00:34:13.360 but especially the mall area that's the location you started, and focus on the 454 00:34:13.480 --> 00:34:15.599 house. I don't think she made it home after her shift, so I 455 00:34:15.679 --> 00:34:22.079 don't see that being a place that needs any further investigation unless new information came 456 00:34:22.119 --> 00:34:27.599 forward. What we have now seems like a distraction now. Dennis Mann has 457 00:34:27.599 --> 00:34:31.719 presented a very interesting theory about how the police bloodhound, which track Kristen sent 458 00:34:31.800 --> 00:34:36.679 to the Sutro baths, may have led the investigation in the wrong direction. 459 00:34:37.639 --> 00:34:42.079 As you recall, they followed Kristen Sent from the Crocker Galleria to the number 460 00:34:42.159 --> 00:34:45.480 thirty eight bus stop on Geary Street, and that bus route traveled west to 461 00:34:45.519 --> 00:34:51.639 Suture Heights Park at Land's End, And since Kristin attended to her coworkers that 462 00:34:51.679 --> 00:34:55.159 she was planning to go there, the police operated under the assumption that Kristin 463 00:34:55.199 --> 00:35:00.079 had hopped on the bus, a theory which seemed to be corroborated when the 464 00:35:00.000 --> 00:35:05.119 the dog detected her scent at that location. But like we've reiterated numerous times, 465 00:35:05.239 --> 00:35:08.920 it's possible that the only reason Kristen sent showed up there was because she 466 00:35:08.960 --> 00:35:14.519 may have attended a party at Ocean Beach two days earlier. Dennis Matt had 467 00:35:14.559 --> 00:35:19.119 speculated that if the police had not mistakenly assumed that Kristin climbed on the number 468 00:35:19.159 --> 00:35:22.960 thirty eight bus, the bloodhout might have wound up tracking her scent to John 469 00:35:22.000 --> 00:35:28.119 Oonuma's apartment, located about seven blocks west on o'faral Street, which is only 470 00:35:28.159 --> 00:35:30.960 a block south of the Geary Street bus stop. So, theoretically, if 471 00:35:30.960 --> 00:35:36.039 the blonde woman seen at the galleria was connected to Numa, and she was 472 00:35:36.079 --> 00:35:38.840 attempting to lure Christen to him. Perhaps they walked together to his place. 473 00:35:39.679 --> 00:35:44.559 At the time the bloodhouse was used, Numa had not yet inserted himself into 474 00:35:44.599 --> 00:35:47.840 the investigation, and the police had no idea who he was, so you 475 00:35:47.880 --> 00:35:52.039 can understand why they wouldn't have considered this angle. Oh that's a very good 476 00:35:52.039 --> 00:35:58.119 point. You have women who have said that Numa would use women to lure 477 00:35:58.119 --> 00:36:01.599 in other victims or to get somebody who is vulnerable to him. And so 478 00:36:01.719 --> 00:36:06.400 if this blond lady's talking, she could have easily said, Hey, I 479 00:36:06.480 --> 00:36:08.599 want to go out and show you this part of San Francisco. Let's go 480 00:36:08.639 --> 00:36:13.440 over to Alcatraz. Let's go here or there wherever. She's going to take 481 00:36:13.440 --> 00:36:15.719 her, and she says, but first, I got to run in my 482 00:36:15.760 --> 00:36:17.960 apartment real quick. It's just a block over right, it's just a mile 483 00:36:19.079 --> 00:36:23.280 this way wherever, and they start to go towards this location that could have 484 00:36:23.400 --> 00:36:29.239 been John's. I think that's a big possibility. It's definitely possible, knowing 485 00:36:29.280 --> 00:36:31.519 that other women have said this is an mo of his. But again, 486 00:36:31.639 --> 00:36:36.159 because of the timing and the way the bloodhounds were used, and we didn't 487 00:36:36.199 --> 00:36:39.159 have that lead yet, It's kind of impossible to go back and try to 488 00:36:39.199 --> 00:36:45.880 retrace that even right when John calls in the tips, it would have been 489 00:36:45.880 --> 00:36:50.039 too many factors going on to say, hey, that's probably what happened at 490 00:36:50.039 --> 00:36:52.480 the time. Oh yeah, like they could have. They had no idea 491 00:36:52.519 --> 00:36:55.400 who John Onuma was, so of course they're not going to try to trace 492 00:36:55.440 --> 00:36:59.960 his route to his apartment on O'Farrell Street. So they probably get to the 493 00:37:00.159 --> 00:37:02.000 bus stop and say, this is far enough. She probably got on here, 494 00:37:02.039 --> 00:37:06.480 but who knows. If they had kept going, maybe the bloodhound would 495 00:37:06.480 --> 00:37:12.280 have taken her sent elsewhere. It's possible that no one would have ever connected 496 00:37:12.280 --> 00:37:15.880 Onuma to this case had he not decided to call the newsroom and falsely accuse 497 00:37:15.920 --> 00:37:21.719 his girlfriend's two co workers of being responsible for Kristen's murder, which he always 498 00:37:21.800 --> 00:37:25.079 maintained was nothing more than a bad joke. On one hand, this would 499 00:37:25.119 --> 00:37:29.920 have been an incredibly stupid thing for Numa to do if he was guilty. 500 00:37:30.119 --> 00:37:34.320 But on the other hand, he sounds like such a narcissistic and vindictive person 501 00:37:34.679 --> 00:37:38.000 that I can actually picture him being brazen enough to falsely implicate a pair of 502 00:37:38.039 --> 00:37:44.679 innocent people for a crime he committed. Sadly, when cases like Kristen's get 503 00:37:44.719 --> 00:37:47.639 a lot of coverage in the media, it's not uncommon for people to anonymously 504 00:37:47.719 --> 00:37:53.320 send in false tips for no logical reason whatsoever. But what's interesting is the 505 00:37:53.360 --> 00:37:59.559 amount of details Onuma provided during his call to the newsroom. He did just 506 00:37:59.599 --> 00:38:04.880 give some vague statement about how these two women murdered Christin. He specifically said 507 00:38:04.920 --> 00:38:07.760 that they killed her in the backseat of a car on Market Street near Castro 508 00:38:07.880 --> 00:38:13.119 Street, before they drove north over the Golden Gate Bridge to the point Rey's 509 00:38:13.159 --> 00:38:16.480 Forest area and hit her body beneath the wooden bridge. Of course, no 510 00:38:16.599 --> 00:38:20.960 remains were found at this location, but you have to wonder if there might 511 00:38:21.000 --> 00:38:25.440 be some element of truth within the details of Anuma's story. If this had 512 00:38:25.480 --> 00:38:30.679 all ended with one false tip, I suppose I could write off Anuma's involvement 513 00:38:30.760 --> 00:38:35.559 as him being nothing more than some jerk hampering the investigation. But one of 514 00:38:35.599 --> 00:38:38.960 the women he abused claimed that Onuma threatened her and said she would wind up 515 00:38:39.039 --> 00:38:45.559 like Kristin Motaferi. We also have some missing pages from Jill Lampo's day planner 516 00:38:45.719 --> 00:38:49.840 from the time period Christo went missing, which she said he tore out because 517 00:38:49.840 --> 00:38:53.639 it contained information which could incriminate him. And we have a briefcase filled with 518 00:38:53.800 --> 00:38:58.880 articles about this case, which was found in the attic of Onuma's residence in 519 00:38:58.880 --> 00:39:04.239 Hawaii years after the fact. However, none of this conclusively proves that Numa 520 00:39:04.320 --> 00:39:07.039 ever met Kristen, as he very well could have only learned the details of 521 00:39:07.039 --> 00:39:13.679 her disappearance after hearing about it in the media. The one thing that stands 522 00:39:13.679 --> 00:39:17.159 out to me is his unwillingness to disappear from this case right, needing to 523 00:39:17.239 --> 00:39:22.039 be involved, needing to share information, making very bizarre statements, and like 524 00:39:22.079 --> 00:39:27.719 you said, when you find all this information, not just the facts he 525 00:39:27.800 --> 00:39:30.920 brings forward, not just the false allegations against the two girls, but that 526 00:39:31.039 --> 00:39:36.280 briefcase and the ripped out pages of his planner, that quote could implicate him 527 00:39:36.360 --> 00:39:40.760 or make him look bad. All of that added together just you can't take 528 00:39:40.760 --> 00:39:44.960 your eyes off of him, like, is there proof? No, is 529 00:39:45.000 --> 00:39:51.519 there a flaming pile of smoke that says, look at this guy. Absolutely, 530 00:39:51.920 --> 00:39:54.199 And when you add the women's statements that he was an abuser, that 531 00:39:54.280 --> 00:40:00.199 he is a narcissistic kind of person, that he threatened and said, you 532 00:40:00.239 --> 00:40:02.679 know what happened to that girl, Kristen now is going to happen to you. 533 00:40:04.440 --> 00:40:08.400 Those kinds of elements make it where this man, at the very least 534 00:40:08.519 --> 00:40:13.639 is a dangerous human being and at the most could have been the person who 535 00:40:13.719 --> 00:40:20.480 was responsible for Kristen's disappearance. During the course of the investigation, Dennis Man 536 00:40:20.559 --> 00:40:23.960 did manage to dig up one link between Kristin and Onuma, and while it's 537 00:40:24.000 --> 00:40:29.119 a very tenuous one, it did lead to a very odd situation. A 538 00:40:29.119 --> 00:40:34.440 few months after Kristen went missing, Spinelli's Coffee Shop hired a new employee named 539 00:40:34.440 --> 00:40:38.519 Matthew Luke, who was friends with another employee there named Kelly Strafman. What's 540 00:40:38.559 --> 00:40:44.280 interesting is that Matthew Luk had previously dated Jill Lampeau before she broke up with 541 00:40:44.360 --> 00:40:49.159 him and began a relationship with John Ouma. Now, since Luk didn't start 542 00:40:49.199 --> 00:40:53.079 working at Spinelli's until after Kristin vanished, this connection might not mean much. 543 00:40:53.519 --> 00:40:58.239 But here's where it gets odd. So in May nineteen ninety eight, Dennis 544 00:40:58.280 --> 00:41:02.239 Man got permission to reinter view all of Christian's coworkers from Spinelli's, but by 545 00:41:02.280 --> 00:41:07.239 this point Kelly Strathman had quit his job there and they did not have any 546 00:41:07.280 --> 00:41:12.719 contact information for him. Man managed to get in touch with Strathman years later 547 00:41:12.920 --> 00:41:15.960 and communicated with him via email, and it sounds like he was nothing but 548 00:41:16.079 --> 00:41:22.039 cooperative. But before this occurred, the other employees had suggested that Man also 549 00:41:22.079 --> 00:41:25.639 get in touch with Matthew Lukay since they were friends and he might have Strathman's 550 00:41:25.639 --> 00:41:30.599 phone number. Well. According to Mann, he called Luk up and the 551 00:41:30.679 --> 00:41:35.039 moment he mentioned that he was working with Christian Motifery's family, the moment he 552 00:41:35.119 --> 00:41:38.880 mentioned that he was working with Kristin Modifery's family, lu K became hostile and 553 00:41:38.960 --> 00:41:44.119 completely snapped at him and stated that he didn't have anything to do with that 554 00:41:44.440 --> 00:41:49.239 and told Man never to call him again before abruptly hanging up. This struck 555 00:41:49.280 --> 00:41:52.400 Man is very odd because he didn't even phone Luke to question him about Kristin, 556 00:41:52.840 --> 00:41:57.719 as he only wanted to ask if he had Kelly Strathman's contact information. 557 00:41:58.679 --> 00:42:04.920 Furthermore, Man that he didn't even finish saying Christian Modifery's entire name before Lukay 558 00:42:05.000 --> 00:42:07.519 snapped at him, but it was very clear that Luk just did not want 559 00:42:07.559 --> 00:42:12.079 to talk about the case, even though he had no apparent connection to it. 560 00:42:12.599 --> 00:42:15.840 Were it not for Lukay's extreme overreaction, I would have no reason to 561 00:42:15.880 --> 00:42:21.719 believe that he had any knowledge or involvement in Christen's disappearance. But what could 562 00:42:21.719 --> 00:42:23.760 have prompted him to act this way? I mean, for all we know, 563 00:42:23.920 --> 00:42:27.760 Luke could have just been having a bad day, was in a lousy 564 00:42:27.840 --> 00:42:30.039 mood, and when Man phoned him up, I can understand him not wanting 565 00:42:30.079 --> 00:42:36.559 to talk about Jill Lampo or John o'numa since Lampo technically dumped him for Onuma, 566 00:42:37.000 --> 00:42:40.239 but Man didn't even get the opportunity to mention their names before Luk went 567 00:42:40.320 --> 00:42:45.840 off on his angry rant. This whole situation is kind of a six degrees 568 00:42:45.880 --> 00:42:50.480 of separation thing because we know that Christian knew Kelly Strathman, who was one 569 00:42:50.519 --> 00:42:54.280 of Luka's closest friends. But even though Luka technically took Christen's job after she 570 00:42:54.360 --> 00:43:00.400 disappeared, there's no evidence that Christian ever met Luka, who is one degree 571 00:43:00.400 --> 00:43:04.679 of separation away from Lampo and Onuma. So I hope you can understand what 572 00:43:04.719 --> 00:43:07.840 I mean when I say there are a lot of pieces in this jigsaw puzzle, 573 00:43:07.960 --> 00:43:12.599 but they just don't quite fit together. I guess it's possible that maybe 574 00:43:12.760 --> 00:43:17.039 Lampo still had some kind of social connection to him, And what if she 575 00:43:17.320 --> 00:43:22.159 had told him, like, yes, it's my ex boyfriend. But what 576 00:43:22.199 --> 00:43:27.199 if at some point she tells him information that terrifies him. He feels threatened 577 00:43:27.199 --> 00:43:30.440 by John, or he gets really worried that he's gonna somehow get caught up 578 00:43:30.440 --> 00:43:34.599 in this investigation he has nothing to do with, and so he has this 579 00:43:34.719 --> 00:43:37.840 kind of paranoia surrounding it, and when he's asked about it, it triggers 580 00:43:37.840 --> 00:43:43.599 this kind of like trauma stress that I didn't have hing to do with it. 581 00:43:43.920 --> 00:43:45.320 I broke up with her, We have nothing to do with each other. 582 00:43:45.360 --> 00:43:47.760 I don't know why she would tell me that information, and now I'm 583 00:43:47.800 --> 00:43:52.920 at risk of being caught in an investigation and or being hurt. I wonder 584 00:43:52.920 --> 00:43:58.119 if that could have prompted anger instead of a kind of uneasiness, a reaction 585 00:43:58.239 --> 00:44:01.760 that's abnormal. That would make sense to me, because he should have no 586 00:44:01.840 --> 00:44:06.360 reason to act that way just from hearing Kristin Monifery's name. I mean, 587 00:44:06.440 --> 00:44:08.360 I know that her name has been in the media for a while, and 588 00:44:08.440 --> 00:44:13.239 that his friend Kelly Strathman took over her job at the coffee shop. But 589 00:44:13.719 --> 00:44:15.760 it's like, why would he get so hostile? So I think your assessment 590 00:44:15.840 --> 00:44:19.960 might be correct that at some point maybe Jill Lampa was still in touch with 591 00:44:20.039 --> 00:44:24.239 him and mentioned something about Kristin's case which terrified him and got him so fearful 592 00:44:24.239 --> 00:44:27.760 that he decided, I don't want anything to do with it, and I'm 593 00:44:27.760 --> 00:44:32.639 not going to talk to anyone who brings up her name. So even though 594 00:44:32.679 --> 00:44:37.559 everyone had nothing but glowing things to say about Kristin, one of her roommates 595 00:44:37.559 --> 00:44:40.719 from the house in Oakland made this interesting comment when he was interviewed on Unsolved 596 00:44:40.719 --> 00:44:45.400 Mysteries. Quote, she wanted to come to the big city and find some 597 00:44:45.480 --> 00:44:50.000 excitement, but it seemed to be coupled with a naivete not a real understanding 598 00:44:50.039 --> 00:44:54.000 of how the big city worked end quote. Interestingly enough, during the early 599 00:44:54.039 --> 00:44:59.159 stages of the investigation, the police were looking to speak with a young blonde 600 00:44:59.199 --> 00:45:02.280 man known only as Tristan, as Kristin had told people that she met himle 601 00:45:02.320 --> 00:45:07.519 attending a concert at the Shoreline Amphitheater in Mountain View on June the thirteenth and 602 00:45:07.599 --> 00:45:13.400 spent the night at Tristan's brother's house. Investigators were able to eventually track down 603 00:45:13.480 --> 00:45:15.880 Tristan and rule him out as a suspect, but it sounds like the only 604 00:45:15.920 --> 00:45:20.599 reason Kristin went to his brother's place was because she missed the last train to 605 00:45:20.599 --> 00:45:23.440 Oakland and was planning to spend the night at the train station, but Tristan 606 00:45:23.480 --> 00:45:28.760 convinced her that wasn't safe and offered her a place to crash before driving her 607 00:45:28.800 --> 00:45:32.599 to work the following morning. Thankfully, Tristan turned out to be a genuinely 608 00:45:32.639 --> 00:45:37.679 decent and helpful guy, because you can see how the situation might have turned 609 00:45:37.719 --> 00:45:43.360 out badly if someone like John Ouma had offered her assistance. I think that 610 00:45:43.400 --> 00:45:47.719 when you look at the roommate's statement, it's probably very true. You have 611 00:45:47.800 --> 00:45:52.760 an eighteen year old kiddo who is, yes, a legal adult, but 612 00:45:52.840 --> 00:45:58.559 that's a kid, and she's always been very academically focused. She's an overachiever. 613 00:45:59.079 --> 00:46:01.599 She has these big of school. But I will tell you, as 614 00:46:01.599 --> 00:46:07.280 someone who's very geared towards school and who might have that book smart driven smarts, 615 00:46:07.119 --> 00:46:12.400 it often comes at a cost of saying like well as kind of cultured 616 00:46:12.480 --> 00:46:15.960 and worldly as I am, my common sense can sometimes not be where it 617 00:46:16.039 --> 00:46:20.360 needs to be, right, And she has this little adventure or spirit, 618 00:46:20.760 --> 00:46:23.880 but she doesn't have a whole lot of life experiences. So when she comes 619 00:46:23.920 --> 00:46:30.440 from North Carolina to San Francisco, that's in Oakland. Also, that's a 620 00:46:30.679 --> 00:46:35.480 very different world. Every time you travel to these newer locations, a new 621 00:46:35.599 --> 00:46:39.960 university, it's just a different space. And for her to have that dream 622 00:46:40.039 --> 00:46:44.119 or attitude of I just want to see everything. I want to get to 623 00:46:44.199 --> 00:46:46.559 know people. I want to engage in things I don't normally get to do. 624 00:46:47.719 --> 00:46:52.079 Yes, I think being naive comes with that when you're that young. 625 00:46:52.440 --> 00:46:55.760 I think when you're thirty five, in traveling the world or you're going cross 626 00:46:55.800 --> 00:47:00.039 country, you just have a different worldly experience of knowing. Yeah, don't 627 00:47:00.039 --> 00:47:05.880 ask that to these people. Maybe wait to find a police officer or someone 628 00:47:05.880 --> 00:47:09.360 who's older or elderly, right, Like, there's just different experiences that would 629 00:47:09.440 --> 00:47:15.679 shape intelligent choices when you're in a new space, and bold, brave choices 630 00:47:15.280 --> 00:47:19.719 you might make that aren't as intelligent, right, that aren't as smart or 631 00:47:20.159 --> 00:47:23.840 wise. And so I don't see any kind of harm in what the roommate 632 00:47:23.880 --> 00:47:30.320 said, I believe he's probably right. There's this bushy tailed, bright eyed 633 00:47:30.440 --> 00:47:35.440 kid that came to Oakland and San Francisco without an idea of how these big 634 00:47:35.480 --> 00:47:40.360 cities work, and it takes one person who can smell that this person's vulnerable, 635 00:47:40.639 --> 00:47:44.960 this person wants help. I can help you. I can give you 636 00:47:45.000 --> 00:47:47.519 a ride, I can give you quote directions, I can walk you where 637 00:47:47.559 --> 00:47:52.440 you want to be, And you just happen to ask the wrong person who's 638 00:47:52.480 --> 00:47:57.039 a predator and takes your life. So I tend to agree with the roommate. 639 00:47:57.119 --> 00:48:00.760 I bet she was a young kid who just didn't have the world knowledge 640 00:48:00.840 --> 00:48:05.599 to navigate some of these new experiences. And for most people, they scape 641 00:48:05.639 --> 00:48:09.800 by without getting harmed in those situations because most people are good people. But 642 00:48:09.880 --> 00:48:15.639 it takes one that isn't for something disastrous to happen. And Tristan's sounded like 643 00:48:15.679 --> 00:48:19.039 a good guy, so it's kind of a shame they didn't become a couple, 644 00:48:19.159 --> 00:48:23.480 Kristin and Tristan. That would have been so adorable. By all accounts. 645 00:48:23.559 --> 00:48:28.320 John and Numa is a very manipulative con artist, which is how he 646 00:48:28.360 --> 00:48:32.079 managed to lure a number of women into situations where he can not only sexually 647 00:48:32.119 --> 00:48:36.440 and physically abuse them, but scam them out of their money as well. 648 00:48:37.199 --> 00:48:40.199 All that being said, while Onuma has been accused of doing terrible things to 649 00:48:40.320 --> 00:48:45.639 many different women, it does not sound like he's ever been looked at as 650 00:48:45.639 --> 00:48:51.400 a potential suspect in any other unsolved murders or missing person's cases. So if 651 00:48:51.440 --> 00:48:54.559 Onuma did something to Kristin, why did she wind up dead while the other 652 00:48:54.639 --> 00:48:59.440 victims he abused were allowed to live. Don't get me wrong, there's definitely 653 00:48:59.480 --> 00:49:02.719 a whole here to make me suspicious of Onuma, but this case is just 654 00:49:02.920 --> 00:49:08.519 lacking that one slam dunk piece of evidence which conclusively implicates him. There is 655 00:49:08.559 --> 00:49:14.679 nothing that conclusively places Kristin Modaferi and John and Numa together at the same location, 656 00:49:15.239 --> 00:49:17.760 and there are a few pieces of evidence which might lead away from Onuma, 657 00:49:17.920 --> 00:49:22.320 such as the evidentiary findings at the house in Oakland and the unidentified blonde 658 00:49:22.320 --> 00:49:27.159 woman seen with Kristin before she disappeared. I mean, for all we know, 659 00:49:27.599 --> 00:49:30.920 maybe that blonde killed Kristin and was acting completely on her own and Onuma 660 00:49:30.960 --> 00:49:36.280 had nothing to do with it, Or perhaps Christian cross paths with another predator 661 00:49:36.320 --> 00:49:39.199 who has never popped up on the radar as a suspect. The good news 662 00:49:39.280 --> 00:49:43.920 is that there are people like Dennis Man who have ensured that Kristin Modaferi is 663 00:49:43.960 --> 00:49:46.320 not forgotten. And if there are people out there who know more about her 664 00:49:46.360 --> 00:49:51.559 disappearance than they're saying, then all it might take to break this investigation wide 665 00:49:51.599 --> 00:49:54.639 open is for the right person to come forward. So if you happen to 666 00:49:54.639 --> 00:50:00.079 have any information on the unsolved disappearance of Kristin Modafari, please contact the Oakland 667 00:50:00.079 --> 00:50:06.239 Police Department at five one zero two three eight three six four one. That's 668 00:50:06.239 --> 00:50:10.719 five one zero two three eight three six four one, Jules Ashley, any 669 00:50:10.719 --> 00:50:15.639 final thoughts in this case. This is one of those where you look at 670 00:50:15.719 --> 00:50:21.320 Kristen and all the potential, all of the plans that she had, and 671 00:50:21.360 --> 00:50:27.079 your heart breaks. She is driven, she's excited, she's a go getter. 672 00:50:27.280 --> 00:50:31.800 She's an adventurer and a dreamer, and because of that adventure in dreams, 673 00:50:32.280 --> 00:50:37.400 her life was cut short. Right, There's somebody who saw this young 674 00:50:37.440 --> 00:50:43.000 girl just full of life and just wanting so badly to make friends, connections, 675 00:50:43.360 --> 00:50:47.199 cultural experiences, memories, and they saw her as someone that they could 676 00:50:47.199 --> 00:50:52.320 pray on. It's heartbreaking. It's so sad that her father passed away without 677 00:50:52.320 --> 00:50:57.000 knowing what happened to her. And it is magical to think of people like 678 00:50:57.039 --> 00:51:01.599 Dennis Man who said, look this girl North Carolina. I refuse to let 679 00:51:02.039 --> 00:51:07.000 her story die. I refuse to let people look away from this case because 680 00:51:07.039 --> 00:51:10.679 she mattered and she was important to those of us who knew her. I 681 00:51:10.719 --> 00:51:15.559 think it speaks volumes to her character and to her legacy, and it makes 682 00:51:15.599 --> 00:51:20.360 me really proud of her community and of Dentist for saying, I'm going to 683 00:51:20.440 --> 00:51:23.280 keep it going. I'm going to keep covering this case. My heart also 684 00:51:23.360 --> 00:51:29.719 breaks for some of the I think pseudoscience that plays into this case, where 685 00:51:29.840 --> 00:51:34.159 the parents and family are so desperate for answers that it's possible they too open 686 00:51:34.239 --> 00:51:39.920 themselves up to vulnerability and manipulation. And it really does speak to these cases. 687 00:51:39.920 --> 00:51:45.199 When you have someone who's eighteen and they're a legal adult, do you 688 00:51:45.800 --> 00:51:52.440 react in a way that errs on something's wrong from the get go? In 689 00:51:52.559 --> 00:51:57.000 Christian's case, yes, she was eighteen, but when people say something's wrong, 690 00:51:58.000 --> 00:52:01.440 we need to listen and if you get proven that they're okay and safe. 691 00:52:01.519 --> 00:52:07.599 What a blessing. But I can only imagine Christian's family's heartbreak where they're 692 00:52:07.639 --> 00:52:14.199 begging police to start day three helping them with this missing person's case. And 693 00:52:14.239 --> 00:52:17.400 it's not until I think we said day seven that they actually opened a case. 694 00:52:17.519 --> 00:52:22.679 So there's a lot of different criminal justice factors here too, but the 695 00:52:22.840 --> 00:52:29.679 main fact is that an amazingly talented young lady lost her life and the ability 696 00:52:29.719 --> 00:52:32.679 to chase those dreams and we just don't know what happened. It's devastating. 697 00:52:35.800 --> 00:52:40.079 This case is so sad because we've got Christian who's on the precipice of all 698 00:52:40.159 --> 00:52:45.800 of these new experiences. She's getting to indulge her creative side, taking this 699 00:52:45.840 --> 00:52:50.639 photography class at Berkeley and then going back to NC State. She had the 700 00:52:50.679 --> 00:52:54.519 world at her fingertips, and to think she gets to Oakland, she has 701 00:52:54.599 --> 00:52:58.840 all of these new experiences, she's working at Spinelli's, meeting all of these 702 00:52:58.880 --> 00:53:01.880 people, and I'm sure that her parents, Bob and Debbie were sitting at 703 00:53:01.880 --> 00:53:05.519 home and going, Okay, we know our girl has a good head on 704 00:53:05.559 --> 00:53:09.400 her shoulders. I'm sure it was intimidating a little bit scary for them because 705 00:53:09.400 --> 00:53:13.960 she's living with four guys, it's a whole new city, but they trusted 706 00:53:14.000 --> 00:53:20.199 her. And to think that some predator plucked her off the street or out 707 00:53:20.199 --> 00:53:23.400 of a coffee shop or followed her home and did something to her, it's 708 00:53:23.440 --> 00:53:29.880 just so sick. My gut tells me that there's a strong probability that that 709 00:53:29.960 --> 00:53:34.360 predator was John o'numa, just all of the red flags with him. Robin 710 00:53:34.400 --> 00:53:37.960 brought up the specificity by which he pointed his fingers at those two women, 711 00:53:38.079 --> 00:53:42.519 that he said it was a lesbian love triangle gone wrong, and then he 712 00:53:42.639 --> 00:53:46.239 detailed exactly how she was murdered and like where she was. They didn't find 713 00:53:46.239 --> 00:53:50.679 a body there, but Robin had said that it seemed like there could have 714 00:53:50.679 --> 00:53:53.320 been a possibility that part of that was true, and I happened to agree 715 00:53:53.320 --> 00:53:58.480 with him. I think that he's doing part of that from memory and maybe 716 00:53:58.519 --> 00:54:02.800 embellishing other parts, saying where he concealed the body or disposed of the body. 717 00:54:04.119 --> 00:54:07.840 But I just think the fact even that Jill Lampo was saying, well, 718 00:54:07.880 --> 00:54:10.679 you know, based on all this, it seems like there's a possibility 719 00:54:10.800 --> 00:54:15.400 could be guilty. Most signs point to him. Our pod Boss and all 720 00:54:15.440 --> 00:54:20.440 of that technology I think is one of those things we were looking at it 721 00:54:20.480 --> 00:54:22.760 and going, O, well, this could be good, but it's really 722 00:54:22.800 --> 00:54:28.599 not proven science. And Buster the cadaver dog, although very talented, there's 723 00:54:28.679 --> 00:54:31.800 a lot of strange things here. Where she was at that summer Solstice party 724 00:54:31.800 --> 00:54:36.360 on the twenty first, so there could have been her scent remaining there on 725 00:54:36.400 --> 00:54:39.119 the twenty third. She never confirmed for sure after she got off work at 726 00:54:39.119 --> 00:54:44.039 Spinelli's that she was going to be going back there. She just had mentioned 727 00:54:44.079 --> 00:54:47.440 the possibility, so I think that it's unlikely that she returned there that day 728 00:54:47.480 --> 00:54:52.239 and somehow went over the cliff. It's just such a sad case because I 729 00:54:52.400 --> 00:54:57.440 just feel in my bones that John o'numa is just the one to lean on 730 00:54:57.519 --> 00:55:01.039 here. Yeah, I tend to. I mean, there's no direct evidence 731 00:55:01.079 --> 00:55:06.760 implicating Onuma, but his behavior is just so creepy, and the fact that 732 00:55:06.800 --> 00:55:10.719 he took the initiative to falsely accused to innocent people in a missing person's case 733 00:55:10.760 --> 00:55:15.920 at the time, which he supposedly had nothing to do with is pretty troubling. 734 00:55:15.000 --> 00:55:19.599 I Mean, when I first watched this on Unsolved Mysteries, a lot 735 00:55:19.599 --> 00:55:22.440 of the abuse allegations hadn't come out against him yet, so I was giving 736 00:55:22.519 --> 00:55:25.159 him the benefit of the doubt that it was just a stupid prank. But 737 00:55:25.199 --> 00:55:29.400 then I just saw there was such a dark side to this guy, and 738 00:55:29.519 --> 00:55:34.239 also the fact that he did weird things like keep a briefcase full of news 739 00:55:34.239 --> 00:55:37.880 clippings of Christen's case. So yeah, I definitely do believe that Kristen was 740 00:55:37.880 --> 00:55:43.159 the victim of foul play and this was a major tragedy because I'm sure the 741 00:55:43.199 --> 00:55:46.960 decision haunted her parents because it is unusual to let someone who just turned eighteen 742 00:55:47.239 --> 00:55:52.199 go off and live in a strange city on her own for a couple months. 743 00:55:52.320 --> 00:55:57.480 But she was such a bright young girl who was such a vibrant personality 744 00:55:57.559 --> 00:56:00.800 that I think they trusted her judgment and felt she was do the right thing. 745 00:56:00.360 --> 00:56:04.599 And even though there might be red flags about her staying at a house 746 00:56:04.679 --> 00:56:08.079 with four other male roommates she didn't know, ironically enough, they turned out 747 00:56:08.079 --> 00:56:13.199 to be the good guys, and unfortunately, I think Kristin wound up crossing 748 00:56:13.239 --> 00:56:16.320 paths with a bad guy and wound up becoming the victim of foul play. 749 00:56:16.400 --> 00:56:20.360 I mean, I don't know if the sighting of the blonde woman is a 750 00:56:20.400 --> 00:56:22.639 red hairing or as connection to the case. But I do think that if 751 00:56:22.679 --> 00:56:28.119 John Unuma was involved, that Jill Lampo might have some knowledge about what actually 752 00:56:28.119 --> 00:56:32.079 happened. This case often gets overshadowed a little bit by the Christian Smart case 753 00:56:32.199 --> 00:56:37.880 because it also happened to take place in California one year earlier and involved another 754 00:56:38.199 --> 00:56:43.719 bright, young, vibrant university student who went missing. And in that case 755 00:56:43.760 --> 00:56:47.039 there was a prime suspect from day one named Paul Flores. But even though 756 00:56:47.519 --> 00:56:52.960 Kristen Smart's remains have still never been found, Paul Flores was eventually charged with 757 00:56:52.000 --> 00:56:57.079 her murder and found guilty at trial and sent to prison. So who knows, 758 00:56:57.159 --> 00:57:00.480 maybe the same thing will happen here these days, that maybe even if 759 00:57:00.480 --> 00:57:05.360 they don't find Christian's remains, they will amass enough evidence to potentially charge John 760 00:57:05.400 --> 00:57:08.960 o'numa or even another suspect and maybe bring them to trial. So it is 761 00:57:09.039 --> 00:57:14.519 sad that Kriston's father died without getting any answers, but I do hope that 762 00:57:14.599 --> 00:57:19.039 we find out the truth about what happened someday. Robin, do you want 763 00:57:19.079 --> 00:57:22.360 to tell us a little bit about the Trail Went Cold Patreon. Yes, 764 00:57:22.360 --> 00:57:24.760 the Trail Cold Patreon has been around for three years now, and we offer 765 00:57:24.840 --> 00:57:30.000 these standard bonus features like early ad free episodes, and I also send out 766 00:57:30.199 --> 00:57:35.599 stickers and sign thank you cards to anyone who signs up with us on Patreon 767 00:57:35.840 --> 00:57:39.679 if you join our five dollars tier Tier two. We also offer monthly bonus 768 00:57:39.719 --> 00:57:45.159 episodes in which I talk about cases which are not featured on the Trail Went 769 00:57:45.280 --> 00:57:49.079 Cold's original feed, so they're exclusive to Patreon, and if you join our 770 00:57:49.199 --> 00:57:52.360 highest tier tier free the ten dollar tier. 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