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The following present is Del Marvis Studios
Production. Welcome back truth seekers from around

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the world. It is time for
another edition of the Flat Earth Files.

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I hope everyone is having a great
week. As we record. It is

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Saturday afternoon, January the twentieth,
on the heels of a pretty good storm

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where we got five or six inches
of snow. Got a lot of exercise

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the last twenty four hours shoveling.
The chickens are not pleased. They do

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not like the snow at all,
but they're good. Got little heaters in

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their house, you know. With
all that being said, everything is fine,

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The roads are cleared, and everyone
is happy at healthy as I hope

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this podcast finds you. Just a
couple of quick reminders before we begin our

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interview, please do stop by our
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Stop in the chat room and say
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Flat Earth, leave them in the
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get a lot more answers and kind
of help connect some of the rabbit holes

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for you and maybe even make a
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Questions, comments, concerns, or you

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would like to join us like Chris
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earth Files at gmail dot com,
and we're pretty much all caught up on

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our emails for the most part.
A few of you have been asking for

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the slide presentation, making just a
few more updates. I thought I was

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pleased. I gave a I went
over with somebody locally, and I think

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the chronology and some things were I
was not pleased with. So I'm kind

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of revamping it. But to the
few of you who have recently asked for

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that, I will get that to
you out in the next few days and

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feel free to share it. Take
my name off, put yours on it.

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You know, the more the merrier. So there you go. That

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takes care of the housekeeping force today. Joining us from the great state of

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Colorado that I made home for about
seven years is author christ orper Bozung and

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his book is Uncommon Question from an
Extraordinary Savior. Jesus never asked a question

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because he needed to know the answer. And again the Ford is written by

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Leonard Sweet and again joining us for
the second time. We're lucky to have

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Chris with us. Chris, how
are you doing today, sir? Very

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good? How are you sir?
I can't complain and it's great to have

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you back on. And we had
a nice little chat prior to hitting the

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record button. And I know you
were just on a few months ago.

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But as we said, you know, we're always having new listeners, so

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please do take some time and introduce
yourself to the audience. Yeah, so

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my name's Chris Bosong. Just had
a birthday New Year's Day. Happy birthday,

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sir. Yeah. Yeah, Actually
it's kind of a little funny story.

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My grandmother was also born on New
Year's Day. Doctor who delivered me

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was born on New Year's Day.
And I had a great grandmother die on

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New Year's Day. Oh my goodness, you hit or missed that day.

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So why I've done basically two things
my whole life, handyman work and painting,

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and minished with a lot of very
interesting jobs throughout the years, especially

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during my education years. For example, when planes hit on nine to eleven,

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I was work. I was in
charge of the meetings on two hundred

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and twenty four apartments and in between
in between pastoring different churches through the years.

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I was a mailman for about a
year, and that's interesting. So

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I've done quite a bit, you
know, kind of fun. I shouldn't

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say this, but I'm convinced the
post Office is not in the business of

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delivering mail. They're in the business
of providing union jobs. Yeah, that's

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a fact. It's an interesting place. My dad, he was a letter

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carrier for twenty five years. And
I know many of the listeners are too.

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I get a lot of emails from
and I have the utmost respect,

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you know, as they say,
sleep uh, And I loved it.

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Yeah, I was going to write
a book called the Postal Diet because I

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lost twenty five pounds in the first
I don't know, five weeks or something.

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Oh I bet yeah. And I'm
not a big guy. So I'd

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come home and I'd lay on the
floor and I just lay on. I

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was so beat. So I have
heard a lot of spectra those guys.

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But and I did joining. By
the way, so hey when in Rome,

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yeah, exactly, who can blame
you? So go ahead. So

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basically, so basically, maybe a
tiny bit of this is the repeat,

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but I'll keep it briefing when I
was. When I was a kid,

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and I'm saying, like six seven, my dad had me painting my house.

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I'd been in my grandmother's house.
On the next year, when I

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was eight years old, a guy
on my brother's paper route needed his garage

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painted. So I was my first
professional pay job. Yeah, I got

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twenty bucks. So I basically done
handyman work and and and you know,

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painting all through the years. And
I my dad was an engineer with work

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pharmaceutical. We could go down that
rap. That's a good one. Yeah.

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And he's lived off his pension.
Said he retired in nineteen ninety three.

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He's ninety nweties, still living off
his pension. You can believe they

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made good money back then. Anyway. The other thing that I have done

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my whole life is ministry. I
got saved when I was fifteen. I

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grew up in the Catholic Church.
Got saved. And because my dad was

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an engineer, and because I thought
the way engineers think, my dad said

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you should go down the Laternal College
in Long Texas. I went down to

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the Laternal. If you don't,
if you have never looked into Rglaternal,

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RGI Laternal gave ninety percent of his
income to the lord instead of ten percent,

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and he created he literally created one
of the biggest earth movement equipment in

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the world. For a while.
It was called Marathon Laturno, and I

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don't know what it's called now,
might have been brought out by other companies.

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He also was the one that designed
the whole idea of oil rigs going

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up and down in Gulf of Mexico. It's like hurricane came in. He

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created the mechanism to make them go
higher. So he did a lot of

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stuff. But anyway, went to
Latnal College, got introduced to Bible classes,

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which I'd never had in my life, and ended up going to Bible

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College in Philadelphia. Went to Philadelphia
College of Bible. Oh you mentioned your

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dad had gone here. I forgot
to look in the yearbook to see he

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said eighty five. Yeah, And
I had that question. We had a

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you know, around Christmas time.
I said, hey, guys, when

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did dad go to Bible College in
Philadelphia? You know, my mom gave

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one answer, seventy nine. My
older sister said eighty three. So yeah,

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who knows it's We'll just say it
was early eighties. Yeah, early

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eighties. That's what we decided.
And then from there through through Philadelphia College

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of Bible. Uh, they have
a program where you can go to Israel

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and study for a year. So
I went over to Israel. That was

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a great, just a great,
great experience, and and I could tell

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you a million stories about that.
It's just just unbelievable. Came back,

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I met my wife, went down
to Dallas Seminary for a four year masters

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and then then uh, when there's
a lot of ministry in between pastoring churches

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all the whole nine yards. And
then went to Region University, Virginia Beach

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and got my doctorate there and and
uh that was during before during and you

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know, after nine to eleven,
that that time periods. And then I

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ministered in Iowa for quite a few
years in the church, and then and

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then did but supply for a number
of years, of course, supplicating my

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income with handyman work and that sort
of thing. So right now I'm doing

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full time handyman work and not not
full time ministry. But anyway, that's

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kind that's kind of my background.
So long View, So you went to

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school originally Longview, Texas kind of
northeast by the Louisiana border. Yes,

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sir, Yeah, you can smell
the pine trees are a forget they call

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that area, but yep, yeah, like by natcha go was it Natacochis

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or something like that, the Nacadochis, So listen to Nacadoches. My wife

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is her her, she's a descendant
of Native American Indians and they are Guardo

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and Francesco. They owned the land
that the Nacodoches airport is on and they

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were never compensated for that land being
teaken from. But that's where her family's

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from. The Nacadocia. Say,
that's interesting. Yeah, so long ago.

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And then when I, of course
when I was in Dallas. Summer

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is in Dallas, so we probably
spent I probably spent about five years in

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Texas. All wegether and then your
book, which we're gonna we're gonna readdress

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again closer to Easter. As we
as we noted prior to the podcast,

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Uncommon questions from an extraordinary Savior.
Uh for the new listeners again, what

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motivated you and moved you to write
that book? And just a brief synopsis

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on what it's about. So,
when I was working on my doctor,

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I wrote a dissertation. I had
never seen a definitive work on the questions

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that Jesus asked. We know,
we obviously have the miracles, we have

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the terribles, but I looked into
the questions and I found there's three hundred

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and forty questions in in the in
the Bible. I have to say the

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Bible, because there's questions outside of
the Gospels, Like there's questions in the

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book asks when Jesus confronts Saul,
all saw, why do you persecute me?

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Right, So there's other questions in
the New Testament. And I took

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that I turned it around into a
very readable book. So if you if

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you get the book, it's very
well. You read a couple of chapters

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geor it, right, So it's
very readable, fun little thing, but

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it basically my goal is to help
people when they read a question that Jesus

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is asking in the Gospels. My
goal is that they look at those questions

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and say, well, he's not
asking because he needed to know the answer.

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Why is he asking that question?
And I just think it was a

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fascinating study. I wanted to share
it with the world and and put it

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in there, you know. So
yeah, anyway, so, like you

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said, maybe closer Easter, we
can we can we can come back and

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uh touch on that, you know, emphasize some of that stuff. But

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it's a great little read. It's
not it's not a very big book.

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I always jokingly tell people throw it
in your bathroom, throw it on the

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back of the toilet. But some
people put it on in a nightstand.

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I'm not kidding, because it's a
it's and actually the way I've got formated,

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uh, in all seriousness, it
does have talking points, it's got

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a prayer at the end. And
I and I've sold I've never sold one

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on Amazon. Let's get that straight, because somebody out there is selling them

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cheaper than me. But I have
sold cases of them to people. They

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basically write and you'd say, hey, we're doing a we're doing a Bible

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study. Can you send me thirty
copies? You know, and they they'll

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use it as a Bible study,
and churches will buy it or whatever individuals

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will buy it, and they'll they'll
they'll use it for Sunday school and that

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sort of things. So, and
I've actually taught through a lot of the

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questions in the PowerPoint formed in Sunday
school, classes, and if I get

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cold for polplad supply. A lot
of times I'll grab one of the questions

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because I just think they're very interesting, very different, and something new that

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people haven't really looked at before.
And it's a no brainer when you say

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Jesus never asked a question because he
needed to know the answer, that's a

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noe breaker. But then you start
to look at the questions like when Jesus

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is when Jesus's parents lose it in
Jerusalem when he's when he's twelve, he

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says, why were you looking for
me? I had to be about my

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parents' business. So it's like,
it's just it's just a very interesting,

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very fascinating study. I hope people
will contact you in and ask for a

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copy or so. Yeah, and
I'm glad you mentioned that. I'm going

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to drop this off to my local
pastor this weekend and let him read through

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it. And because that's what we
do down there, that they'll get books

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like this and they'll do a three
four six week time kind of you know,

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that'll be the focus. Uh.
One really interesting book was kind of

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like how, you know, how
did churches get to where they are today?

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Right? What's the problem. How
do you address the problems because so

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many churches today are facing but I
mean attendance problems. Let's just call it

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what it is. It's that they've
lost so much of their attendance. Their

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congregation is diminished by fifty percent.
Here where I live, within a just

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say a ten mile radius of where
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church goer, and I'm probably being
kind here is fifty eight years old.

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And that's probably being kind. Yeah, And that is another big problem.

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There seems to be if you get
closer to the city, they're more of

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the upbeat. You've got your guitars, you've got your drums. And I'm

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not saying there's a wrong where finally
the trucks came by to shovel our streets

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later, all right, but you
know, you know that seems to be

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more popular with the younger generation.
And I tell the story of ken Ham.

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He mentioned a couple months ago that
he was he was asked by a

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church in Indiana to speak, and
he gets there in the twenty five year

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old young She's got the headset and
the clipboard and she's like saying, how

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the whole thing worked, and it
was it was more of a like a

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studio type of event than it was
an actual service. And again I am

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not judging anyone how they run their
their fellowship, but it is just interesting

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to see how the older generations still
prefer a couple of hymns and testimony and

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prayer, whereas the younger generation is
more into the music and you know that

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type of thing. Period. Yeah, so i'mio, yeah, And I

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don't know if it is a problem. I don't know if it's just hey,

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because you hear the in all walks
of life, you know you've got

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to change otherwise you're gonna just fall
by the wayside. But I'm not sure

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if that should apply in this What
are your thoughts? Well, I would

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have to agree. How good to
be honest, I've kind of come full

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circle. I was raised in the
Catholic Church, and honest, when you

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when you think of the Catholic Church, Okay, I don't have a lot

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of good to say about it now, I'll I won't. I won't say

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that, right, but but you
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It's designed for all of our senses. You've got the organ music, you've

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got the the singing, you've got
the Canter by the way, my dad

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before before our family was saved,
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You've got the incense and the candles
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You come in the door and you
touch the water, right, the water

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that's supposed to be holy water.
You've got the stained glass for your eyes.

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Right, You've got the vaulted ceilings. I mean, everything about the

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experience is for a whole body,
the whole sense is Right. Then we

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go into these churches, like you
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and you know, everything's black,
everything's dark, everything's controlled. And now

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I've kind of come full circle.
When I was in Israel, one of

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the classes that I had required us
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churches outside of whatever our faith experience
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in like a Coptic church. You
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even care that you're there. They're
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I don't even think you participate.
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now since I was in that church. Here, Ethiopian churches, oh my

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gosh, you know, all different
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some you don't participate, Some you
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the right time, you get up, you kneel at the right time,

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you know. But anyway, Yeah, I'm to the point now I don't

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know that I kind of like,
I kind of like some of that stuff,

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you know what I mean. I
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you know, I think the theologies
out the door, and I don't want

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to hurt any of the listeners that
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I wasn't I wasn't saved. I
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I don't think they they teach salvation. That's not to say there aren't Catholics

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that aren't saved. I wasn't saved. It's a Catholic, let's put it

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that way. But the experience there
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can be spiritual, can be can
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some of these churches that that have
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this is out of left field.
A lot of people think that the the

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Ethiopians, many of them are the
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I but my understanding is that it's
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or at least one of the original
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their possession. It's very interesting that
we don't have the Arca that Covenant de

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we and we know there's really no
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the Babylonians and other and other other
different Assyrians came in and they conquered Jerusalem

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and the various cop you know,
various wars that they had with with with

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Israel, they carried off these things. They carry off the goal you know,

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from the and they carried these things. Often there's really no record of

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where those things are. You know
that that kind of leads me down another

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rabbit hole that maybe you've not considered, but maybe you have. I'm absolutely

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convinced that I'm convinced that some of
the things that are discovered are either hidden

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or destroyed. If you're in Israel
and you're an Israeli archaeologist and you find

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something that says Jesus slept here,
like you know, we say Washington slept.

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You're gonna either destroy, destroy it, or hide it, in my

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opinion, because why would you validate
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truth gosh, since the beginning of
COVID, have only been a flat earth

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for about seven months let's say,
last last May, whatever that is.

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But I'm convinced that that the Smithsonian
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were sent out by the presidents like
god Lewis and Clark were not so much

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sent out, in my opinion,
to discover land as much as they were

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to record it and come back and
warn what was out you see what I'm

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saying. And I've convinced that some
of these you know we talk about giants,

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right, I wonder how many giant
skeletons are in the Smithsonian are buried

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underground right in the balls when I'm
you know what I'm saying, Yeah,

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awesome it is. And I've pondered
that before many times. People believe that.

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At least I think the the Ethiopians
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that they have held the Arc of
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Aksum in Ethiopia since the late seventeenth
century. And I've seen specials, you

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know, where they have these guys, these monks or whatever they may be

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called. I'm sorry that that are
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just like our Honor Guard down in
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or the ones in England, the
guys with the big tall hats and they're

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doing their thing. It's like,
literally they have this I wouldn't say this

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elite guard, but there are people
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And one of the famous explorers on
the Discovery Channel. I can see him,

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I can hear his voice, but
I can't remember his name. He

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got close to him and he was
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but they didn't let him anywhere near
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I actually did a podcast on it
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the Smithsonian is more geared toward deception
that then maybe they're hiding things too,

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but I think that's more to deceive, and I will tell you if you

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guys paused the podcast for a second, and if you look at the Smithsonian's

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logo and then google the Jesuit logo, you will see a very close similarity

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between the two. So I think
because I've been to the Smithsonian, it's

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been decades. I was a teenager
maybe, but they have the uh all

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the moon landing stuff, they have
dinosaurs, they have a lot of that

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type of thing. So I think
it is a place to deceive and and

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maybe they do hide stuff, but
I think if you look at the movie,

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what's the one the Declaration of Independence
with Nicholas Cage not the Treasure Hue

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Treasure, National Treasure. Yeah,
and if you remember at the end of

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a I think it was the first
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and they open up a butt and
there's just all this historical stuff. I

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think that is disclosure. Whether it's
Fort Knox or or in your neck of

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the woods in Denver, there's reportedly
all kinds of underground and you have shining

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Mountain there things inside the mountain,
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as well. So I mean that
is quite the rabbit hole. And again,

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the chances of actually finding that out
are who knows. I think they

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fashioned history and they formed it.
And you think about, you know,

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why is it that one hundred hundred
fifty years ago we were going into places

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like Egypt and bringing home mummies to
well, Great Britain was doing it,

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you know, bringing old mummies and
bringing home all these treasures. And now,

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of course there's a debate on whether
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to these different countries and things.
But I think they were. It

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was a combination and probably looking for
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life. What do they call that? The youth? You know, found

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a youth who knows? But I
think part of it might just be the

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hide history, the high history,
you know, you know the original plan

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of the each movie one from sixty
eight or where, Yeah it was and

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uh and and of course the main
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to but he takes a stick and
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the when the lead guy comes over
the ape, he well, he crosses

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it off somehow, you know what
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one that had a stick or a
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What the what the words were?
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I mean, you know, it's
hiding. It's kind of like it's

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kind of like hiding flat Earth.
You know. Yeah, that one of

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my buddy's favorite movies. A Map, That's one of my buddies famous movies.

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my goodness, thirty three years away
from two thousand and one, all the

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things that happened in sixty eight,
and you know, Charlton Heston dropping to

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his knees. It's just everything is
so Yeah. And by the way,

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Rod Serling from the Twilight Zone,
he was the actual one of the original

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screenwriters of that movie. Oh wow. So anyway, that's that's kind of

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how I feel that we were talking
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of stuff. My understanding is exactly
what you said. We're no modern day

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scientists or whatever you want to call
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of stuff. You're not allowed to
You just can't go wait, it's not

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allowed. So indeed, one hundred
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think that's their life. I don't
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guys in Ethiopia who protect the protect
the arc according to their narrative. Yeah,

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no, that could be. That
could very well be true, or

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they're just guarding it, right,
Yep. Interesting stuff. Let's talk a

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little bit if you don't mind.
Can we talk a little bit about your

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new Facebook page, which I've invited
I'm part of now and I haven't invited

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some of my friends. It's not
just flat Earth, but something we've talked

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about prior, young biosphere and createationism. Yeah, so, so here's what

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I'm doing there. That used to
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or last last, I think it's
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just like the switch flipped and it
all made sense to me. And I'd

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gone down the rabbit every other quote
unquote conspiracy, but the flat Earth was

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just one I just couldn't I and
once and once I flipped that switch,

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there was no going back. So
I had a Facebook group, which the

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numbers are diminished by probably by fifty
percent now and and I and before I

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left the group, I handed it
to somebody, but I pretty much stripped

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off most of my posts because because
I figured, you know, now's the

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time to do it, Chris.
And it's very interesting because right after I

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got right after I left that group, I went back and I posted a

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few things about flat Earth. They
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they banned me from my own group, but I guess I can't say it

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was my own group because at that
point i'd given the group up. Right,

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they banned me for like two weeks
from having comments and things in my

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own group. That group was called
Young Biosphere Creationism. So what I've done

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is I created a new one called
Biblical creationism. You know, really really

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kind of original, right, So
I've I've recently changed that. Now I

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decided since I'm coming back on your
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comma Young Biosphere comma creationism, and
and and uh, let's talk a little

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bit about that, what it means, what it what it's trying to do.

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So, without trying to step on
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the one of the things that the
Facebook group is going to do, because

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I haven't done it yet, I'm
going to put on near a the list

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of beliefs what I believe. And
by the way, back when I was

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in seminary, when we were taught, when we did well, the personal

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statement of faith that churches call them
doctoral statements. We developed one I've got

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I've got one that's uh I think
font fought ten. It's over sixteen pages

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long. We were told not only
say what you believe, but say what

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you don't believe. So on that
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I believe in a flat earth,
but I did not deny a globe,

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so right, you know, a
positive and negative. That's sort of So

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what I'm trying to do is,
I'm I'm hoping that we can take some

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of the old Old Earth creationists and
some of the Yellow Earth creationists, bring

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them into the group and show them
where scripture find to what they believe,

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and show them how scripture is actually
one step beyond what they're believing. I'm

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not, even, by the way, going to approach things like evolution,

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because to me, evolution is like
saying, you know, you believe the

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COVID shots effect. Right, it's
nonsense, it's nonsense. That's a good

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one. But there is some truth
in Old Earth creationism, and there is

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some truth in Young Earth creation I'll
point out a couple couple places where where

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there is some truth. But what
I'm trying to do is get closer to

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one hundred percent truth. So Old
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four that the Sun and the Moon
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the surface of the Earth. Genesis
one was written from a viewer on Earth's

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perspective. It isn't written from I'm
standing way back here and over there is

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what's going on. It's written from
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Earth. So when you look at
verse two in Genesis, it says now

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that the Earth was formless and empty, and darkness was over the surface of

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the deep, and the spirit of
God was hovering over the waters. By

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that, by the way, that
that's NIV. And I actually have the

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the cris Boson version of MSIs one, and it's not it's not what I

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just read. But anyway, that's
that's what the says, and you can

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read it in the King James.
It really doesn't matter. My point is

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that that's written from the perspective of
someone standing on the surface of the Earth

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and they're looking out and they're seeing
the thing that the darkness is actually over

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the surface of the deep. The
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You see the difference. It's from
the perspective the persons standing on the earth

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and that person in verse two can't
see the sun, and and the perspective

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I take with the flat earth Comma
young biosphere creationism is that in the beginning

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God created the universe. That's verse
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in verse one, or heaven and
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the way, the word heaven's in
the Hebrew is always plural, So we're

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not saying that King James is wrong. It's it's completely correct. But the

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point is it's it's a mirrorsm for
the word of universe. So in the

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beginning, God creates the universe.
What is that encompass? Well, encompass

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the Earth, the Sun, and
the stars. So old Earth creationism gets

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right the fact that on day four, what we're doing there is we're seeing

407
00:32:40.160 --> 00:32:45.279
the sun and we're seeing the stars
for the first time. The word bara

408
00:32:45.759 --> 00:32:54.079
used in verse one is not found
in verses nine through a fourteenth, which

409
00:32:54.119 --> 00:32:59.440
is day four. The word bar
it it doesn't exist on day four in

410
00:32:59.759 --> 00:33:05.519
those versus. I'm gonna unlike last
time. I'm gonna pause more often so

411
00:33:05.640 --> 00:33:08.519
you can interject things, and then
I'll keep going, yeah, no,

412
00:33:08.599 --> 00:33:12.519
you're you're, You're doing fine,
and a lot of people when when it

413
00:33:12.559 --> 00:33:15.519
talks about verse two, what it
talks about was upon the face of the

414
00:33:15.599 --> 00:33:22.119
deep, obviously that is talking about
the waters which would eventually be separated by

415
00:33:22.119 --> 00:33:25.960
the firmament. Would you agree with
that? Yes, I would agree with

416
00:33:25.960 --> 00:33:30.000
that because I don't think the word
deep is the act as an accurate English

417
00:33:30.000 --> 00:33:34.400
translation, and that is something I'm
sorry, go ahead, I was just

418
00:33:34.440 --> 00:33:36.640
going to say, if you even
literally the work deep, at least from

419
00:33:36.640 --> 00:33:40.480
the English language, that usually does
refer to some type of water, right,

420
00:33:43.400 --> 00:33:49.720
Yes, I I think it refers
to water. But but it's kind

421
00:33:49.720 --> 00:33:53.440
of like the use there is never
going to be used again in scripture because

422
00:33:53.799 --> 00:34:00.359
from that point on, that that
particular hebreere war is going to be applied

423
00:34:00.440 --> 00:34:07.079
to oceans. So so if you
have something in verse one that changes throughout

424
00:34:07.119 --> 00:34:09.880
the rest of the Bible, it's
never going to be quite that nuanced that

425
00:34:09.960 --> 00:34:14.079
it is in that verse, because
from that point on, it's it's divided.

426
00:34:14.360 --> 00:34:20.079
So anytime you see that Hebrew word
k home is is t t e

427
00:34:20.320 --> 00:34:24.440
h O m is in the English. I think in verse two it's kind

428
00:34:24.440 --> 00:34:29.400
of an anomaly where you're not going
to see it again. Does that makes

429
00:34:29.440 --> 00:34:31.119
sense? You know what I'm saying? Yeah, t home means that's the

430
00:34:31.119 --> 00:34:36.320
Biblical Hebrew word for the deep,
t home. Yep, yeah, correct.

431
00:34:37.239 --> 00:34:39.159
And from that point on in scripture
we could certainly say it means the

432
00:34:39.159 --> 00:34:42.840
ocean, it means the deep,
it means you know, it would be

433
00:34:42.880 --> 00:34:45.440
the things we'd use today. But
but in that particular case, it's not

434
00:34:45.519 --> 00:34:52.760
yet divided, right yep, indeed
it's not. It's not yet divided.

435
00:34:53.159 --> 00:35:02.199
We get until six verse six,
Ye, let the expanse between the Let

436
00:35:02.280 --> 00:35:06.719
there be an expanse between the waters, to separate the water from water.

437
00:35:06.880 --> 00:35:10.840
Yep. So at that point there's
my Jersey acts of water. Water water.

438
00:35:10.960 --> 00:35:19.079
We call it water in Delaware water
water. So anyway, so I

439
00:35:19.119 --> 00:35:27.159
think Old Earth creation gets right day
exactly. I think Youllow Earth creation gets

440
00:35:27.159 --> 00:35:32.400
it wrong because Young Earth creationism,
when they read verses fourteen to nineteen,

441
00:35:34.519 --> 00:35:38.320
they think that God at that point
is creating the sun, creating the moon,

442
00:35:38.360 --> 00:35:45.280
and creating the stars. And I
think they get that wrong because Bara

443
00:35:45.039 --> 00:35:50.719
is not found in versus fourteen to
nineteen. By the way, let's let's

444
00:35:50.760 --> 00:35:54.000
talk about day four just for a
second before it falls out of my brain.

445
00:35:54.239 --> 00:35:59.440
Sure, and this is this is
a an IV. I just happened

446
00:35:59.480 --> 00:36:04.039
to use the I. But any
translate. You can get this from any

447
00:36:04.039 --> 00:36:07.239
translations. So so let me read
the first part, and I want you

448
00:36:07.280 --> 00:36:08.239
to read the first part of that
sentence. It's just to see what the

449
00:36:08.320 --> 00:36:12.599
King James says, because I don't
have it. My my version says,

450
00:36:12.599 --> 00:36:15.840
and God said, let there be
lights in the expanse of the sky.

451
00:36:15.880 --> 00:36:19.840
What is what is your saying,
King King James says? And God said,

452
00:36:20.159 --> 00:36:23.280
let there be lights in the firmament
of the heaven, to divide the

453
00:36:23.400 --> 00:36:27.840
day from the night. And then, yeah, I didn't. I didn't

454
00:36:27.880 --> 00:36:31.719
read that part to separate the day
from I guess. So it says pretty

455
00:36:31.760 --> 00:36:35.920
much the same thing. You know
what it says in the Hebrew. So

456
00:36:35.960 --> 00:36:38.960
our English basically says, we just
agreed that. Our English says, let

457
00:36:39.000 --> 00:36:45.679
there be lights, right, you
know what it says in the Hebrew.

458
00:36:45.800 --> 00:36:52.000
It's in the Hebrew. It says, let the lights, Let the lights

459
00:36:52.320 --> 00:36:59.360
be, not let there be lights, but the lights bings in the English

460
00:36:59.480 --> 00:37:06.519
ye let the lights be in the
expanse of the sky to separate the day

461
00:37:06.519 --> 00:37:10.159
from the night. So the hebrews
acknowledging the fact the lights are already there.

462
00:37:10.599 --> 00:37:15.440
But that doesn't make sense to most
translators. And if, by the

463
00:37:15.480 --> 00:37:17.440
way, if I was a translator, I've done the Hebrew and the Greek

464
00:37:17.519 --> 00:37:22.519
co work, I've done the years, right, if I was translating a

465
00:37:22.519 --> 00:37:24.920
Bible before it became a flat earther, and I get a buddy. By

466
00:37:24.920 --> 00:37:30.400
the way, I had a good
friend who was a He was what do

467
00:37:30.400 --> 00:37:34.679
you want to call it, an
admin on my Facebook group, And man,

468
00:37:34.960 --> 00:37:37.920
this guy's he knows this Hebrew like
nobody else, and he's actually doing

469
00:37:37.920 --> 00:37:44.679
a translation scripture. And at the
time he asked me for my translation Genesis

470
00:37:44.719 --> 00:37:47.599
one, and I said him my
translation to Genesis one, which I don't

471
00:37:47.639 --> 00:37:52.239
have him for me if I should
have it from him, But I said

472
00:37:52.280 --> 00:38:00.320
to him that verse fourteen says let
the lights be, and he agreed with

473
00:38:00.360 --> 00:38:07.880
that one hundred percent. So he
agreed that what verse fourteen is saying in

474
00:38:07.920 --> 00:38:10.599
the Hebrew is that the lights are
already there, and now God is saying,

475
00:38:10.719 --> 00:38:15.599
let the lights be in the expanse
of the sky to separate the day

476
00:38:15.639 --> 00:38:20.480
from the night, and let them
service signs to mark the seasons. But

477
00:38:20.519 --> 00:38:23.519
the problem is that most translators we
you do, I have a bias.

478
00:38:23.639 --> 00:38:28.760
All of us have a bias.
Right, Oh, certainly, absolutely the

479
00:38:28.880 --> 00:38:31.679
NIV. Let me tell you what
the NIB translators. Yet most of the

480
00:38:31.800 --> 00:38:35.639
NIB translators is by the way.
I'm not sure you can get a list

481
00:38:35.679 --> 00:38:37.079
anymore. And I could be wrong
about this. I'm not sure you can

482
00:38:37.119 --> 00:38:43.000
get a list of the original NIB
translators. But the original NIB translators were

483
00:38:43.039 --> 00:38:45.679
not pre triggers. And I'm not
trying to go down a rabbit hole here

484
00:38:45.679 --> 00:38:50.920
about what we believe about the tribulation, pre tribulation or not. But those

485
00:38:50.920 --> 00:38:54.960
translators were not pre tribulations. So
what if you're going to turn and study,

486
00:38:55.239 --> 00:38:59.960
Oh, it's the rapture of pre
post trib midtrip, don't hear.

487
00:39:00.000 --> 00:39:04.599
Here's the NIV because those translators were
not pre triversed. Do you see what

488
00:39:04.639 --> 00:39:08.719
I'm saying? So here in the
Hebrew it says let the lights be an

489
00:39:08.719 --> 00:39:13.880
expanse of the sky to separate the
day from them. So it's alreadized in

490
00:39:14.000 --> 00:39:16.679
fact that the lights is there for
those first time listeners. How are the

491
00:39:16.760 --> 00:39:22.400
lights there? Verse one? In
the beginning, God created the heavens and

492
00:39:22.440 --> 00:39:27.039
the Earth, and that's a mirrorsm
for the universe. In the beginning,

493
00:39:27.079 --> 00:39:31.920
God created the universe, and what
he's doing beginning in verse three is he's

494
00:39:31.960 --> 00:39:42.239
now preparing the biosphere on Earth and
in the universe he's treating the biosphere for

495
00:39:43.840 --> 00:39:45.800
life. And then on Day's five
and six he creates light. I know

496
00:39:45.840 --> 00:39:49.440
you're right notes this. I'm gonna
pause. I'll let you jump in.

497
00:39:50.119 --> 00:39:52.880
You know. The one thing I
think I forgot to address earlier was what

498
00:39:53.119 --> 00:39:55.719
maybe you mentioned I missing, And
if I did, I'm sorry. But

499
00:39:55.760 --> 00:39:59.800
what did you mention in the group
that was prior to your group that you

500
00:39:59.840 --> 00:40:05.639
can created that that defended the moderator
so much? Uh? Well, and

501
00:40:05.639 --> 00:40:08.960
and the other people the fact that
I now wasn't flat Earth, so it

502
00:40:09.039 --> 00:40:13.000
was just the simple fact that you
were a flat Earth or that just they

503
00:40:13.000 --> 00:40:20.079
couldn't handle. Well. I I
was a globe birth guy when I created

504
00:40:20.079 --> 00:40:23.360
that group for sure. And then
when I announced I actually announced the group,

505
00:40:23.440 --> 00:40:25.880
I said, I'm not trying to
dissuay the group at all. But

506
00:40:25.960 --> 00:40:31.960
I'm now announcing an official announcement that
I've become a flat earth and that there

507
00:40:32.079 --> 00:40:37.480
was there was, there were enough
guys in here that they decided that they

508
00:40:37.480 --> 00:40:39.159
actually suggested that I should be thrown
out. Well it was my group.

509
00:40:42.719 --> 00:40:45.199
That's incredible group. But let me
ask you, and I don't know if

510
00:40:45.239 --> 00:40:47.159
I should say this. No,
go ahead, Sorry, no, no,

511
00:40:47.159 --> 00:40:51.400
it's okay, go ahead. I
was just gonna I was gonna tell

512
00:40:51.400 --> 00:40:53.039
you the truth here, and I
don't hope I don't get in trouble with

513
00:40:53.079 --> 00:40:57.000
it. Apparently you're not supposed to
sell Facebook groups. I sold this.

514
00:40:57.199 --> 00:41:00.679
I sold it. I sold it
to a guy as I'm gonna, I'm

515
00:41:00.679 --> 00:41:04.199
not gonna trash the group. I
removed a lot of my posts, but

516
00:41:04.960 --> 00:41:09.079
a guy literally then bowed me money
and bought the group's you see what I'm

517
00:41:09.079 --> 00:41:12.599
saying. So I got out of
the group. And then another guy saying

518
00:41:12.599 --> 00:41:15.400
you can't sell a Facebook group,
and I'm like, hey, I created

519
00:41:15.400 --> 00:41:20.159
it. I put my sweat equity
into that for years, but now I'm

520
00:41:20.159 --> 00:41:22.840
a flat earther and you know what, fine, if somebody wants to take

521
00:41:22.840 --> 00:41:23.679
over the group. And one guy
said, hey, I'll take it over.

522
00:41:24.039 --> 00:41:29.079
We agreed on a price, and
he bought the group and I removed

523
00:41:29.079 --> 00:41:31.360
myself as admin. And once you
do that, you can't make any more

524
00:41:31.440 --> 00:41:37.559
changes. Correct, And then he
banned me for two weeks. So that'll

525
00:41:37.559 --> 00:41:40.639
show you. Yeah, there are
people who for a living what will You

526
00:41:40.679 --> 00:41:44.639
can go to them, say what
they will like, get a big audience,

527
00:41:44.760 --> 00:41:46.119
you can pay that X amount of
money, and you take over the

528
00:41:46.119 --> 00:41:50.360
group. Then all of a sudden
you have ten thousand followers. That that

529
00:41:50.559 --> 00:41:53.719
is not out of the realm of
normalcy for sure. Well, well,

530
00:41:53.800 --> 00:41:57.679
what one guy told me. He
says, you're not allowed to sell Facebook

531
00:41:57.679 --> 00:42:00.880
groups. I said, watch me, it's my group. Yeah, so

532
00:42:00.960 --> 00:42:02.960
I sold the group. So anyway, so that that's what it was.

533
00:42:04.000 --> 00:42:07.920
It basically is that I believe I
still hold you a lot of the truths

534
00:42:07.960 --> 00:42:13.440
of Young Biosphere creationism, which which
we can unpack here because I because what

535
00:42:13.480 --> 00:42:16.199
I'm trying to do with this new
group is I'm trying to to show your

536
00:42:16.280 --> 00:42:22.239
listeners that we have a very we
have a group that is very biblical and

537
00:42:22.039 --> 00:42:25.079
and George, my expertise is not
in science necessarily or or things like that.

538
00:42:25.159 --> 00:42:29.159
Although you know, I've certainly studied
science and history and that's sort of

539
00:42:29.199 --> 00:42:31.840
I got a minor in history,
by the way, But my expertise is

540
00:42:31.840 --> 00:42:35.639
in the scripture. So so that's
what I'm trying to do. I'm I

541
00:42:35.800 --> 00:42:37.639
listened to a lot of podcasts.
You can listen to. You can listen

542
00:42:37.639 --> 00:42:40.880
to anybody that's out there. You
can listen to your entire podcast and you're

543
00:42:42.000 --> 00:42:45.239
lucky if you get one or two
Bible pursts yep, you know. But

544
00:42:45.400 --> 00:42:49.360
my expertise is the scripture. So
what I'm trying to do is I'm trying

545
00:42:49.400 --> 00:42:52.880
to take now what I know as
a as a new a newbie flat earther,

546
00:42:53.000 --> 00:42:58.480
and say, okay, here's how
I uh sales tail right into what

547
00:42:58.519 --> 00:43:01.280
I know about scripture, Yeah,
for sure. And I wanted to kind

548
00:43:01.280 --> 00:43:06.320
of do it. Add on one
more thing, because when you come on

549
00:43:06.400 --> 00:43:12.840
here, you always cite your scripture
versus when you're bringing your thoughts. So

550
00:43:12.920 --> 00:43:16.760
when this took place with your previous
group, did you try to show people,

551
00:43:17.000 --> 00:43:21.159
you know, like this is why
you know, when I read Genesis

552
00:43:21.159 --> 00:43:24.719
fourteen and things like this as globers
the other folks, did they come back

553
00:43:24.719 --> 00:43:30.920
to you with any versus substantiating the
globe or was it just that that cognitive

554
00:43:30.920 --> 00:43:35.280
dissonance and they just shut down.
It was a little bit of both.

555
00:43:35.440 --> 00:43:40.559
But basically what happened with some of
the and these are not dummies. By

556
00:43:40.679 --> 00:43:45.039
when you go in that group and
you got guys the prehds coming out the

557
00:43:45.039 --> 00:43:51.320
wazoo, well, I don't I'm
not positive about there might be a couple

558
00:43:51.320 --> 00:43:57.320
of guys with PhDs. But but
these guys do know their stuff. Sure.

559
00:43:57.360 --> 00:43:59.480
Put it that way, like if
you get a master's degree, do

560
00:43:59.480 --> 00:44:01.800
you get a mass degree from Dallas
summoning, which I have, that's one

561
00:44:01.880 --> 00:44:05.880
hundred and twenty six hours, that's
as long as a bachelor's Sure, and

562
00:44:05.920 --> 00:44:08.199
you're getting years of Hebrew and years
of Greek and everything else. So these

563
00:44:08.719 --> 00:44:15.760
these are no dummies. But what
they do is they would post links to

564
00:44:16.559 --> 00:44:21.960
some of these creations groups that exist
at Young Earth creationist groups and and of

565
00:44:22.000 --> 00:44:27.079
course the Young Earth creationist groups have
broached the subject of flat Earth and they

566
00:44:27.159 --> 00:44:30.480
poof food it and they and they
of course because that's their agenda's Young Earth

567
00:44:30.519 --> 00:44:35.119
creationism, so they so they would
post these guys would put in my group,

568
00:44:35.159 --> 00:44:37.320
would post these links there and say
here, read this, churse,

569
00:44:37.360 --> 00:44:39.519
watch this. And at that point, I didn't have to read or watch

570
00:44:39.599 --> 00:44:45.800
it. I've spent my entire life
studying scripture of theology. I didn't need

571
00:44:45.840 --> 00:44:49.000
to hear from somebody else what the
text said, because I know what the

572
00:44:49.000 --> 00:44:51.599
text says. You know what I'm
saying. And I'm not trying to pat

573
00:44:51.679 --> 00:44:53.360
myself on the back, but it's
just you know what you're doing if you've

574
00:44:53.360 --> 00:44:59.400
been doing it your whole life.
So at that point I knew I was

575
00:44:59.480 --> 00:45:01.639
just kind of wasting my time.
I figured, well, I'm just gonna

576
00:45:01.679 --> 00:45:07.719
get out of it instead of trashing
it. So so so let me say

577
00:45:07.760 --> 00:45:10.360
one thing too, and I'm gonna
say this in a very very gentle way.

578
00:45:12.400 --> 00:45:16.159
Every once in a while I hear
a person on a podcast that trashes

579
00:45:17.719 --> 00:45:22.679
a good theological or seminary education,
and I think that, I think we're

580
00:45:23.039 --> 00:45:28.519
I think we're doing ourselves as flat
earthers, are doing ourselves a disservice.

581
00:45:29.599 --> 00:45:31.719
I think we ought to do with
Jesus. Did Jesus judged the heart,

582
00:45:34.000 --> 00:45:38.400
he judge the education. Because you
have Nicodemus. You have Nicodemus who had

583
00:45:38.400 --> 00:45:42.400
an education. Obviously, and he
comes to Jesus at night. Jesus is

584
00:45:42.960 --> 00:45:46.559
looking at his heart. Just because
someone like me has the education I have

585
00:45:47.480 --> 00:45:53.800
doesn't mean I'm an expert but it
but it does mean you may be listen

586
00:45:53.840 --> 00:45:58.519
to a little more than you would
listen to, say, a guy that's

587
00:45:58.519 --> 00:46:00.960
read a book. You know what
I'm saying by that without trying to pap

588
00:46:01.000 --> 00:46:07.440
myself on the back, because the
education takes you so deep that you are

589
00:46:07.599 --> 00:46:10.239
able to look at look at something
and say, you know, it doesn't

590
00:46:10.400 --> 00:46:15.960
feel right, you know. And
I do find that from time to time

591
00:46:15.000 --> 00:46:22.559
on podcasts where people will will poohful
an ordination or poofu a doctor degree or

592
00:46:22.800 --> 00:46:25.800
something like that, And I'm just
saying, let's let's be cheerful not to

593
00:46:25.880 --> 00:46:29.840
do that too much, because look
at the heart. I mean, you

594
00:46:29.840 --> 00:46:32.760
can have a guy out there like
Carl Sagan. Yeah, he doesn't know

595
00:46:32.760 --> 00:46:37.519
what he's he's trained and what he's
trained in and doesn't believe in God.

596
00:46:37.719 --> 00:46:42.639
Okay, maybe maybe we can look
at that and say, yeah, you

597
00:46:42.679 --> 00:46:45.079
know, we're gonna judge that a
little bit. Anyway, I was a

598
00:46:45.079 --> 00:46:47.519
stoping it because I know you're writing
notes, so no, you're good and

599
00:46:47.760 --> 00:46:51.360
in the most part, at least
on this podcast. When we talk about

600
00:46:51.440 --> 00:46:57.840
education, we're talking more about the
public education KA twelve, which which is

601
00:46:58.280 --> 00:47:02.519
hijacked by the federal government. I
have secondary, yeah, I've got here.

602
00:47:02.679 --> 00:47:08.880
I've got two associates, and I've
got my bachelor's in business, and

603
00:47:09.159 --> 00:47:13.280
some of them came in handy.
At the same time, there is an

604
00:47:13.320 --> 00:47:15.519
agenda. I went to Texas,
A and M and I could see the

605
00:47:15.880 --> 00:47:21.280
leftist agenda that was in place.
And again you look at the Communist manifesto

606
00:47:21.320 --> 00:47:24.280
and the ten planks, and education
is one of them, having the government

607
00:47:24.280 --> 00:47:29.280
control education. But at the same
time, I think the seminary, I

608
00:47:29.320 --> 00:47:32.960
mean kudos to anybody who wants to
further their education into reading the Bible.

609
00:47:34.039 --> 00:47:37.280
Learning Hebrew was something that I wish, and this is an excuse, it's

610
00:47:37.280 --> 00:47:40.159
a crush. I wish I had
the time to do it. I could

611
00:47:40.159 --> 00:47:44.639
make time and do it, and
maybe someday down the road, when I'm

612
00:47:44.639 --> 00:47:49.199
done educating my little one, maybe
I'll take that time to that next level

613
00:47:49.360 --> 00:47:53.039
into getting into God's word. Because
every time something is this is a fact,

614
00:47:53.079 --> 00:47:58.239
every time something is translated, it
does lose a little bit of its

615
00:47:58.280 --> 00:48:00.679
meaning. And I talk to people
all that time who say that King James

616
00:48:00.679 --> 00:48:06.679
didn't have any bias at all.
That is hogwash. Every single human being

617
00:48:06.719 --> 00:48:09.639
has some type of bias. I
think everybody has a boy. Yoh,

618
00:48:09.719 --> 00:48:14.199
yeah, I agree one hundred from
Sam. Yes, there you go.

619
00:48:14.440 --> 00:48:16.599
I agree. By the way,
we owned schooled all four of our kids,

620
00:48:17.679 --> 00:48:22.679
God bless you. We started thir
We started thirty years ago when nobody

621
00:48:22.760 --> 00:48:25.400
was well, I shouldn't say nobody, but when a lot of people were

622
00:48:25.519 --> 00:48:30.159
doing it. Do you know that
in anyway? I think that I want

623
00:48:30.199 --> 00:48:32.000
to mention this real quick. In
twenty nineteen, I think it was between

624
00:48:32.039 --> 00:48:37.159
two and three percent of the public
home schooled after COVID. As of twenty

625
00:48:37.199 --> 00:48:42.639
twenty three, last year, it's
like eight percent. Now, yeah,

626
00:48:42.719 --> 00:48:45.880
yeah, that's good. Yep.
And it's interesting. I won't get on

627
00:48:45.960 --> 00:48:51.119
this soapbox, but it's interesting because
I think some people school at home and

628
00:48:51.199 --> 00:48:54.039
some people homeschool, and there's a
big difference. That's a great point.

629
00:48:54.119 --> 00:48:58.400
Yeah, schooling and home is.
Schooling at home is taking all the books

630
00:48:58.400 --> 00:49:01.119
from the from the public school in
a home and letting your kids, whereas

631
00:49:01.159 --> 00:49:07.440
homeschooling is say I always say the
difference between homeschooling and a public education is

632
00:49:07.480 --> 00:49:12.320
who's asking the questions. There's my
questions that Jesus and he can you can

633
00:49:12.360 --> 00:49:15.320
tell it's influenced by life, you
know, when you're home school and the

634
00:49:15.400 --> 00:49:17.000
kids asked the questions. In public
school, you and I, George,

635
00:49:17.079 --> 00:49:20.960
we'd put our hand up when we
were brown nosers, we asked the questions.

636
00:49:21.719 --> 00:49:23.960
Oh yeah, a teacher was asking
the question. I would be horrified

637
00:49:23.960 --> 00:49:28.280
when I was younger if if I
got called on, because if you get

638
00:49:28.280 --> 00:49:30.719
it wrong, you know, the
kids are just so torture as to make

639
00:49:30.760 --> 00:49:34.079
fun of you, You're dummy.
Uh. I was. I was one

640
00:49:34.079 --> 00:49:36.960
of those kids. Always raised my
hand. I always. I mean the

641
00:49:37.039 --> 00:49:39.400
kids, you know, they knew
me as that kind of a guy who

642
00:49:39.480 --> 00:49:43.960
you know, kid who and I
and I of course I got probably got

643
00:49:43.960 --> 00:49:45.639
need fun up, but I was. I loved it. I enjoyed it.

644
00:49:46.039 --> 00:49:52.719
So anyway, let's get back now
to the difference between the Facebook group

645
00:49:52.760 --> 00:49:58.119
and developing now and and what so
now we talked about Old Earth creationism,

646
00:49:58.320 --> 00:50:01.119
and so one of the things that
they do is they take each of the

647
00:50:01.199 --> 00:50:06.320
six days and they make each of
the six days a billion years a million

648
00:50:06.400 --> 00:50:09.000
years till whatever you know. H
Ross is a big proponent of that,

649
00:50:09.840 --> 00:50:15.679
and I think is theology is not
in line with what scripture teaches. And

650
00:50:16.000 --> 00:50:22.679
I want people to know that one
of the things that I believe as a

651
00:50:22.840 --> 00:50:30.400
flatter young biosphere creations, I do
not believe in death before sent me sentient

652
00:50:30.639 --> 00:50:37.960
death before the fall. Okay,
sentient death is the death of animals and

653
00:50:37.000 --> 00:50:42.760
the death of humans. So I
do not believe in sentient death before the

654
00:50:42.840 --> 00:50:46.760
fall. Does that make sense?
No? Take me a little break it

655
00:50:46.800 --> 00:50:50.559
down a little bit, Okay,
Okay, I break it down. This

656
00:50:50.639 --> 00:50:53.639
is what you actually believe this George, as a young you're a Young Earth

657
00:50:53.719 --> 00:50:55.840
creationist. Am I right? For
the most part, yep, I would

658
00:50:55.840 --> 00:51:04.559
say that, okay for now,
you all right here? When we get

659
00:51:04.559 --> 00:51:10.159
done with the podcast, maybe so. So, you do not believe according

660
00:51:10.199 --> 00:51:19.320
to script crime gets that any anyone
died before the fall and at the and

661
00:51:19.400 --> 00:51:25.679
when Adams and Eve sinned, God
took animals or an animal, and he

662
00:51:25.679 --> 00:51:30.559
he sacrificed those animals and make coats
of skin for Adam and Eve to physically

663
00:51:30.599 --> 00:51:36.360
and visually show Adam and Eve.
That's that, as Hebrew says, there's

664
00:51:36.400 --> 00:51:40.400
no remission of sin without the shedding
of blood. That's what it says in

665
00:51:40.440 --> 00:51:45.920
the Book of Hebrews. So God
had to kill an animal, sacrifice an

666
00:51:45.920 --> 00:51:52.960
animal to show physically and visually to
Adam and Eve that they needed something to

667
00:51:52.119 --> 00:51:57.719
cover their skin, to cover their
sin, rather their sin, and then

668
00:51:57.760 --> 00:52:01.360
he says them in Genesis three fifteen. The Genesis three point fifteen is the

669
00:52:01.440 --> 00:52:07.360
promise of the Redeemer that would come. The Redeemer would come. And by

670
00:52:07.400 --> 00:52:10.719
the way, that Adam and he
have had no idea what that meant,

671
00:52:12.000 --> 00:52:16.519
except that somebody would come to eventually
redeem their sins. I hear once in

672
00:52:16.559 --> 00:52:22.079
a while people pooing on dispensationalism.
But let me tell you what dispensationalism gets

673
00:52:22.199 --> 00:52:30.440
right. Dispensationalism gets right the fact
that in the old estimate they had no

674
00:52:30.599 --> 00:52:34.039
idea who Jesus was. If you
had, if you had walked up to

675
00:52:34.119 --> 00:52:37.800
Abraham and says said, did Jesus
die for your sins? He go,

676
00:52:37.960 --> 00:52:39.480
what are you talking about? If
you said, if you walked up to

677
00:52:39.559 --> 00:52:44.760
David and said, Jesus died for
your sins, he'd be like, what

678
00:52:44.800 --> 00:52:49.559
are you talking about? So what
dispensationalism gets right? Is it gets right?

679
00:52:49.639 --> 00:52:57.840
The progressive revelation of scripture. Scripture
is progressively revealed to people. And

680
00:52:58.239 --> 00:53:01.199
one of the things that surprises people, and I say this all the time

681
00:53:01.480 --> 00:53:07.519
in Facebook discussions and different things,
not all the Bible's written for you.

682
00:53:07.360 --> 00:53:13.000
We think, we think as Christians, I think maybe as American Christians,

683
00:53:13.440 --> 00:53:16.960
we think the world revolves around so
we think all of the Bibles for us.

684
00:53:20.119 --> 00:53:23.000
Yeah. So, so there's verses
in scripture that are only written for

685
00:53:23.039 --> 00:53:28.239
the Jews. There are verses and
there are prophecies and verses and scriptures that

686
00:53:28.280 --> 00:53:32.840
are only written for specific nations.
There's verses in scripture that are only written

687
00:53:32.880 --> 00:53:37.519
for Christians, and we take I'll
give you a great example. And I'm

688
00:53:37.519 --> 00:53:43.440
not trying to step on in stones
here. I hope everybody understands my heart

689
00:53:43.599 --> 00:53:47.159
that I'm trying to. I'm trying
to refine what we say, and I'm

690
00:53:47.199 --> 00:53:52.400
trying to make it more accurate to
what Scripture teaches. Here as opposed to

691
00:53:52.440 --> 00:53:57.079
busting on people for inadvertently saying things. For example, we say, if

692
00:53:57.119 --> 00:54:00.199
my people who are called by mind
name will humble themselves, I will forgive

693
00:54:00.199 --> 00:54:07.199
their sense and restore the Ruay.
Right, that's first chronicles seven. That

694
00:54:07.360 --> 00:54:12.519
right, first chronicle seven. Lush, Now I'm even doubting myself. Don't

695
00:54:12.559 --> 00:54:16.239
be a doubt in Thomas. Oh
yeah, don't be a doubt in the

696
00:54:16.360 --> 00:54:20.559
people out there are going to know
the verse because someone turned it into a

697
00:54:20.639 --> 00:54:23.559
song. He said, verse chronicle
seven. Hey, I'm wrong, what

698
00:54:23.639 --> 00:54:28.280
is it? Is? That?
What it is? What verse? First

699
00:54:28.320 --> 00:54:34.360
chronicle seven? Not seven? You
can't bege seven because that's just type in

700
00:54:34.440 --> 00:54:40.760
it. If my people who are
called my mind sway we join, oh,

701
00:54:40.800 --> 00:54:44.440
second chronicle seven, fourteen, If
my people which are called by my

702
00:54:44.559 --> 00:54:49.639
name shall humble themselves and pray and
seek my face there it is. Yeah.

703
00:54:49.719 --> 00:54:52.559
Yeah, so that's you know,
that's a verse. That's a verse

704
00:54:52.639 --> 00:54:57.199
written for one one people, God's
people, God's the nation of this It

705
00:54:57.280 --> 00:55:00.480
is not written for us. God's
not We can umble ourselves all over all

706
00:55:00.519 --> 00:55:05.039
we want and repent of our since
God is not gonna not that. God's

707
00:55:05.119 --> 00:55:08.320
not blessing America. Don't get me
wrong, but God is not promising anything

708
00:55:08.320 --> 00:55:13.159
to the nation of America. Nation, you know, in nice states of

709
00:55:13.159 --> 00:55:16.119
America. You see my point that
anyway, I say all that to say

710
00:55:16.199 --> 00:55:21.320
that not all scripture is written for
us. Can can there be applications?

711
00:55:21.360 --> 00:55:24.079
They're sure? Take that person appuiet
to America and we should humble ourselves,

712
00:55:24.199 --> 00:55:29.519
we should repent ourselves. But don't
take that as a promise that God has

713
00:55:29.519 --> 00:55:32.639
said he's going to restore America,
because he's not talking near to America.

714
00:55:32.679 --> 00:55:37.320
And the point is that if you
had said to the average Jew, Jesus

715
00:55:37.400 --> 00:55:38.719
died for your sins, he'd be
like, who are you talking about?

716
00:55:39.119 --> 00:55:45.079
But progressive revelation revealed the fact that
as as prophecies were given and as they

717
00:55:45.079 --> 00:55:51.320
were filled, that Jesus came from
the genealogy and was and was born of

718
00:55:51.320 --> 00:55:54.280
the flesh and became men and then
died on the cross. Okay, now

719
00:55:54.320 --> 00:55:58.760
we can say to somebody living today
that Jesus died for your sinant and we

720
00:55:58.800 --> 00:56:05.719
can show that from scripture. So
okay, So getting back to and if

721
00:56:05.760 --> 00:56:08.440
you want to want to jump into
anything, you know, since you brought

722
00:56:08.440 --> 00:56:12.400
it up to two questions. Number
one, what is time to God?

723
00:56:13.360 --> 00:56:16.119
Because we're you know, we have
so many people who you know, especially

724
00:56:16.239 --> 00:56:20.000
if you can get into YouTube.
And again I'm not picking or anything like

725
00:56:20.039 --> 00:56:22.960
that. There's a lot of prophecy
out there today. What is time to

726
00:56:22.000 --> 00:56:28.760
God compared to what humans, you
know, see his time? And that

727
00:56:28.760 --> 00:56:30.440
that's exactly what I said. You
know, we talked about a little bit.

728
00:56:30.480 --> 00:56:35.719
It's a bit of our first our
first first podcast. I believe with

729
00:56:35.960 --> 00:56:40.159
verse one, God created all physical
walls, traded time. He created time

730
00:56:42.000 --> 00:56:45.400
in the beginning, and that's when
everything kicks in. So he creates the

731
00:56:45.440 --> 00:56:50.280
Sun, he creates the moon,
he creates the stars. Time begins.

732
00:56:50.880 --> 00:56:54.960
The Earth is the the Sun is
going around the Earth at that point.

733
00:56:57.039 --> 00:57:00.199
But from the perspective of someone standing
on the side of the Earth, can't

734
00:57:00.239 --> 00:57:01.559
see the Sun, they can't see
the moon, they can't see the stars

735
00:57:02.000 --> 00:57:07.840
until day four. Day one begins
with verse three, and God says,

736
00:57:07.880 --> 00:57:12.480
let there be light. So there's
blackness on this there's darkness on the surface

737
00:57:12.519 --> 00:57:14.800
of the deep. According to verse
two. And then all of a sudden

738
00:57:14.960 --> 00:57:16.679
verse three, God says, let
there be light, and that light from

739
00:57:16.679 --> 00:57:22.920
the sun that was created in verse
one now shines and illumines the is that

740
00:57:22.000 --> 00:57:27.480
the right word illumines the atmosphere.
And it's not till day four, though,

741
00:57:27.559 --> 00:57:31.079
that the sun actually physically becomes visible. It's kind of like going out

742
00:57:31.079 --> 00:57:35.400
on a gray day. They're in
Delaware. You know the sun's out,

743
00:57:35.440 --> 00:57:37.840
but you can't see it. It's
just too gray. Same thing with the

744
00:57:37.880 --> 00:57:45.679
stars, same thing with the moon. So that's the progressive development of the

745
00:57:45.800 --> 00:57:52.280
biosphere in those six days. So
time begins in verse one when God creates

746
00:57:52.280 --> 00:57:54.280
the universe. That's when the clocks
start stipping. Is there a human a

747
00:57:54.360 --> 00:58:00.920
ticking? Is there a human alive
to experience that? Nope? Who experienced

748
00:58:00.960 --> 00:58:06.920
that? Well, God did create
something else in that beginning. He created

749
00:58:07.119 --> 00:58:16.360
the angels. So the angels then
begin, uh, experiencing time before humans

750
00:58:16.400 --> 00:58:22.719
are created on day six, before
they experienced the time. And it's interesting

751
00:58:22.719 --> 00:58:25.159
because in job thirty eight, and
we've mentioned job thirty eight, we should

752
00:58:25.159 --> 00:58:31.039
all know by art because that was
the uh it was a pastor otal that

753
00:58:32.039 --> 00:58:38.280
talks about the the stamp yep that
the wa the wax stand by the way,

754
00:58:38.320 --> 00:58:43.920
I listened to your podcast the other
day that church church got the snow

755
00:58:44.000 --> 00:58:47.960
on it, not out his church. Oh yeah, Pastor Locke's roof collapsed.

756
00:58:50.119 --> 00:58:52.519
Yeah, like what the heck?
Yeah, karma, that's all I

757
00:58:52.519 --> 00:58:58.760
gotta say. Karma, And I
don't believe in right right right by the

758
00:58:58.760 --> 00:59:01.400
big At the beginning this podcast,
you said good block Chris or something like

759
00:59:01.440 --> 00:59:05.159
that. Yeah, I don't believe
luck, but I know what you meant,

760
00:59:05.280 --> 00:59:07.239
so we use those words, right
sure, Sure, But anyway,

761
00:59:07.519 --> 00:59:15.280
Joe thirty eight four to seven basically
talks about how the company of celestial beings

762
00:59:16.000 --> 00:59:22.519
sang together and shouted for joy at
the creation of the earth. So they

763
00:59:22.840 --> 00:59:31.159
must have been created before the creation
of the earth. So anyway, so

764
00:59:31.239 --> 00:59:35.239
there's your time. I think that's
your time answer. I think time.

765
00:59:35.760 --> 00:59:43.400
I personally think time was created before
people could record the fact that the Sun

766
00:59:43.440 --> 00:59:47.440
and the moon were going around the
surface of the flat earth. Spot on

767
00:59:47.719 --> 00:59:50.920
and the other one I did want
to drop just because you brought it up.

768
00:59:50.920 --> 00:59:53.239
And it's actually it's a legit point. And this is one of the

769
00:59:53.239 --> 00:59:58.519
more common emails I get, because
you know, so much of the world

770
00:59:58.559 --> 01:00:01.639
does revolve around this coun tree,
right the United States? They say,

771
01:00:01.679 --> 01:00:06.679
as the US goes, so is
the world. But there's a lot of

772
01:00:06.679 --> 01:00:09.559
people out there who think that the
United States is Babylon. What are your

773
01:00:09.559 --> 01:00:15.639
thoughts on that? You know,
we should we could come back at some

774
01:00:15.800 --> 01:00:20.800
point if you want to. I
hate to say this, but I would

775
01:00:20.880 --> 01:00:23.760
really love to immerse myself back in
the book of Revelation, really, because

776
01:00:23.800 --> 01:00:28.840
I've listened to so many podcasts in
the last seven months, and I see

777
01:00:28.960 --> 01:00:31.440
so many people suggesting things, and
I'm saying, Chris, Okay, what

778
01:00:31.480 --> 01:00:35.079
were you taught in seminary? Me? What have you learned? What have

779
01:00:35.199 --> 01:00:38.639
you taught? And now go back? And I guess the best thing I

780
01:00:38.639 --> 01:00:43.840
could say, George is I'm not
ready to give it definitive answer on you

781
01:00:43.800 --> 01:00:45.719
know. That's like, like,
for example, one of the things I

782
01:00:45.760 --> 01:00:50.760
hear is people a lot of your
a lot of your guests and stuff talk

783
01:00:50.800 --> 01:00:57.880
about how stars are angels and angels
stars. I'm not quite shower Matt yet.

784
01:00:58.599 --> 01:01:00.920
So and I've listen into it.
I've listened to this stuff for seven

785
01:01:00.960 --> 01:01:05.199
months and guess what, I don't
know yet. Yeah. And I love

786
01:01:05.239 --> 01:01:07.840
to hear those things because I do
the same thing. I go searching as

787
01:01:07.840 --> 01:01:13.840
well, and those kind of things
caused me to search. And you know,

788
01:01:15.280 --> 01:01:17.480
that's why I love being talked to
so many different people who have so

789
01:01:17.480 --> 01:01:22.400
many different ideas, And when I
have those conversations, it always pushes me

790
01:01:22.440 --> 01:01:25.440
back into the Bible. So that's
a good thing. I tell you,

791
01:01:25.480 --> 01:01:35.519
what a lot of your trying to
find six six six in revelation? Is

792
01:01:35.559 --> 01:01:38.719
that Latin three? What's that?
Is that revelation thirteen three? For some

793
01:01:38.760 --> 01:01:42.639
reason, that's in my head?
Let me look it up real quick.

794
01:01:42.679 --> 01:01:46.119
I'll tell you I had more fall
out of my head than I have retained

795
01:01:46.119 --> 01:01:52.039
in my head. Oh no,
the thirteen three is the wound? Yeah,

796
01:01:52.079 --> 01:01:54.960
somebody out there shouting at it straight
now? Oh, here it is,

797
01:01:55.159 --> 01:01:59.719
here, it is. It's thirteen
it's thirteen eighteen, thirteen eighteen.

798
01:01:59.760 --> 01:02:04.519
Okay, you know it's interesting.
We're going to be deceived by the market

799
01:02:04.599 --> 01:02:08.039
beast, or or I shouldn't say
we. Okay, I'll truth be told.

800
01:02:08.079 --> 01:02:12.440
I'm a I'm a free trigger.
Right, Okay, let's just throw

801
01:02:12.480 --> 01:02:15.679
it out. People are gonna let
me just say people are gonna be deceived

802
01:02:15.679 --> 01:02:22.159
by the market beast. But here's
a very interesting thing that we all say.

803
01:02:22.199 --> 01:02:23.760
The market of the beast is six
six six. Well, if we

804
01:02:23.800 --> 01:02:29.800
all know that, how are we
going to be deceived? How are we

805
01:02:29.800 --> 01:02:34.239
going to be deceived those six six
six? If I tell you that you're

806
01:02:34.320 --> 01:02:38.000
driving down the road and you see
a red car, you're gonna be shot

807
01:02:38.039 --> 01:02:42.519
at. They're gonna open the window
and you're gonna shoot it. So you're

808
01:02:42.559 --> 01:02:45.480
driving down the road, you see
a red car, Well, you're gonna

809
01:02:45.519 --> 01:02:49.880
be prepared. Every red car you're
gonna duck. So how how are we

810
01:02:49.960 --> 01:02:52.320
gonna be deceived by six sixty six? Well, can I tell you what?

811
01:02:53.599 --> 01:02:59.559
The two oldest and most valuable texts
that we have of the Book of

812
01:02:59.639 --> 01:03:09.639
Rebelition have six one six, not
six six six. So somebody somewhere after

813
01:03:09.679 --> 01:03:17.280
the second century change six six sixths. I'm sorry, they changed six one

814
01:03:17.719 --> 01:03:22.880
six to six sixty six. So
the bulk of our manuscripts after the second

815
01:03:22.920 --> 01:03:30.400
century have six six six. Somebody
changed from six one six. So if

816
01:03:30.400 --> 01:03:34.719
you go to the two most valuable
manuscripts, and if you want to look

817
01:03:34.760 --> 01:03:38.119
this up, look up a guy
named Daniel Wallace. Daniel Wallace is one

818
01:03:38.159 --> 01:03:44.199
of the authorities on Greek. He
is Okay, I'll tell you how.

819
01:03:45.000 --> 01:03:47.719
I'll tell you the Dan Wallace's I
spent four years of Dallas summery. I

820
01:03:47.760 --> 01:03:52.239
think we had to have three years
of Greek. I had six different Greek

821
01:03:52.280 --> 01:03:55.440
professors. I never once took Dan
Wallace because I didn't want to flow.

822
01:03:57.519 --> 01:04:02.079
Wow, I knew if I took
Dan Wallace fun the class so I could

823
01:04:02.239 --> 01:04:08.159
I could eat by with other grades. Know what I'm saying. I wasn't

824
01:04:08.159 --> 01:04:11.360
going to take Dan Wallace. Now
we use this book, by the way,

825
01:04:11.559 --> 01:04:15.679
any other classes. I understand why
this my professor. So his book

826
01:04:15.039 --> 01:04:20.519
is the Basics of New Testament syntax. Yes it is. It is heavier

827
01:04:20.519 --> 01:04:26.559
than a newborn baby. I'm telling
you it's sure. Now, I don't

828
01:04:26.599 --> 01:04:29.239
know that it necessarily says it in
that book, don't get me wrong.

829
01:04:29.920 --> 01:04:34.760
But one of the things that Dan
Wallace has said is that our most valuable

830
01:04:34.800 --> 01:04:40.039
text, the two oldest and most
valuable prior to the second century, have

831
01:04:40.280 --> 01:04:44.400
six one six, not six sixty
six. And I and you just think

832
01:04:44.440 --> 01:04:46.360
of my illustration I just told you
with the red car. How is it

833
01:04:46.360 --> 01:04:48.960
that so many people are going to
be deceaved because they're going to be looking

834
01:04:49.000 --> 01:04:57.679
for the wrong thing. So according
to this Papyrus one fifteen, which is

835
01:04:57.719 --> 01:05:05.039
the oldest preserved manuscript of the Revelation, UH says that the original Arabic numerals

836
01:05:05.079 --> 01:05:12.039
were six one six, not six
sixty six. Exact. You see what

837
01:05:12.079 --> 01:05:15.639
I'm trying to say, where's my
breaking new sound effect. What's that?

838
01:05:15.719 --> 01:05:19.719
I said, where's my uh,
breaking new sound effect when you need it?

839
01:05:20.280 --> 01:05:24.119
Oh? Yeah, I like the
little coin things. Yeah, there

840
01:05:24.199 --> 01:05:29.280
you go. So so here's my
point. We we think we we think

841
01:05:29.320 --> 01:05:33.360
we're one up on Satan because we
figured out flat earth willmar thing. He's

842
01:05:33.360 --> 01:05:38.519
got other aces up asleep. Right, we're gonna be looking for number six

843
01:05:38.559 --> 01:05:41.519
sixty six. Guess what. That's
not what the original manuscript says. It

844
01:05:41.519 --> 01:05:44.159
says six one. Did you see
the point I'm trying to make. Yeah,

845
01:05:44.199 --> 01:05:47.119
but you know what's interesting that what
are the first three words of revelation

846
01:05:47.239 --> 01:05:53.639
thirteen eighteen? Uh, it's here
is wisdom, and I think it's important.

847
01:05:53.639 --> 01:05:57.519
There's no comma. If anyone has
insight, yeah, it's here's wisdom.

848
01:05:57.559 --> 01:06:01.440
Period. And then let him have
understanding. Count the number of the

849
01:06:01.440 --> 01:06:09.000
beasts. Yes, that that's really
And then of course again the translation it

850
01:06:09.079 --> 01:06:14.800
went from six one six to six
sixty six. Apparently apparently did it not?

851
01:06:15.039 --> 01:06:17.440
I mean, well, according to
the oldest papyrus that that that we

852
01:06:17.519 --> 01:06:24.159
have on record. That's my point. My point is how much value is

853
01:06:24.199 --> 01:06:28.480
there in studying these There's a lot
because we can see how we've been to

854
01:06:28.559 --> 01:06:32.599
see and why let's go ahead now. I was simply going to say,

855
01:06:32.679 --> 01:06:38.760
why isn't this like like I'd love
to know if you're listening to the podcast

856
01:06:38.840 --> 01:06:42.320
right now where we're now in five
minutes in paust the have you heard of

857
01:06:42.360 --> 01:06:45.159
this before? You're like, send
me an email you or maybe I'll put

858
01:06:45.159 --> 01:06:46.840
I'll see if I can put a
poll on the website. Uh, but

859
01:06:47.000 --> 01:06:49.360
this will go out Tuesday night.
So by Tuesday I'll have a poll on

860
01:06:49.360 --> 01:06:53.199
the website. Have you heard of
six? One? Six being the numbers?

861
01:06:53.159 --> 01:06:57.239
One beasts on my uh on my
uh oh yeah'll put it on your

862
01:06:57.280 --> 01:07:00.039
Facebook page too, the yeah name
and just see what people say. No,

863
01:07:00.239 --> 01:07:04.800
I've known this for years, okay, but now I have a platform.

864
01:07:05.079 --> 01:07:08.599
Yeah, and maybe I've heard of
it. It is just kind of

865
01:07:08.599 --> 01:07:12.320
you know how things go in life. You Yeah, your spipes can only

866
01:07:12.320 --> 01:07:14.519
hold so much, and every now
and then you bring it out. The

867
01:07:14.559 --> 01:07:18.440
problem that I have is there's so
much general knowledge out there that people have

868
01:07:18.559 --> 01:07:25.480
about scripture that sometimes it's so hard
begin to sit down and listen to what

869
01:07:25.599 --> 01:07:28.800
scriptures saying. I mean, like
like the whole flat Earth thing, I

870
01:07:28.800 --> 01:07:30.320
mean I I talked to other believers
like I did, like I told you

871
01:07:30.400 --> 01:07:34.079
with my with my Facebook group,
and they just don't they there are more

872
01:07:34.239 --> 01:07:41.199
sewing brain that we just don't want
to all right, do you want me

873
01:07:41.239 --> 01:07:47.079
to move on to continuing we're basically
talking about a doctrinal developing a doctoral uh

874
01:07:47.639 --> 01:07:53.599
statement, let's say for for flatter
young biassel So, so for those out

875
01:07:53.639 --> 01:07:56.679
there, well, and I didn't
mention this the first I heard post first

876
01:07:56.679 --> 01:08:00.280
podcast, but I personally believe,
and we say this that I don't believe

877
01:08:00.639 --> 01:08:06.199
of the death of scenting life before
the fall, and that's what you believe.

878
01:08:06.199 --> 01:08:10.119
You might not know that that's what
you believe. Now, now I

879
01:08:10.159 --> 01:08:18.960
got to say that create up there. God formed the plant on day sure,

880
01:08:20.399 --> 01:08:25.000
verse the lab, and let the
lab produce educations, set burning plants

881
01:08:25.000 --> 01:08:27.560
and on the land, and we
have fruit and seed in it. Can

882
01:08:27.560 --> 01:08:29.560
you repeat that? When you read
that, you were kind of off,

883
01:08:30.199 --> 01:08:33.279
Oh I was off the mic.
Sorry, God, this is verse four

884
01:08:33.399 --> 01:08:38.680
Genesis one, verse fourteen, And
let the land produce vegetation, seed bearing

885
01:08:38.720 --> 01:08:42.840
plants and trees on the land that
bear fruit and seed in it according to

886
01:08:42.840 --> 01:08:47.680
the various kinds and the land produced
vegetation plants bearing seed according to so.

887
01:08:47.680 --> 01:08:51.159
So, what I'm saying is here, So so I'm gonna, I'm gonna,

888
01:08:51.199 --> 01:08:55.119
I'm gonna pull back for seconds.
A bigger paintbrush. We have.

889
01:08:55.279 --> 01:09:00.399
We have this very nice astrophysicist named
KEW. Ross. I think that's a

890
01:09:00.479 --> 01:09:04.680
background. And he holds to Old
Earth creationism. And one of the things

891
01:09:04.680 --> 01:09:12.159
that Hugh Ross believes is he believes
in the death of sentient life before the

892
01:09:12.199 --> 01:09:16.760
fall. I do not. I
believe that as the New Testament particularly says

893
01:09:17.079 --> 01:09:23.359
that with one man, sin entered
the world and death death. With one

894
01:09:23.399 --> 01:09:27.680
man, death entered the world by
his sin, right, that's Adam Adam,

895
01:09:27.960 --> 01:09:32.239
when Adam sin death entered the world. And then people so people say,

896
01:09:32.279 --> 01:09:35.560
well, what what did Adam and
Eve eat in the garden of Eden?

897
01:09:36.119 --> 01:09:40.920
Well they ate plants. Well,
okay, did that plant die when

898
01:09:40.920 --> 01:09:45.199
he ate it? No? So
in America, and I don't know,

899
01:09:45.359 --> 01:09:48.119
I don't I don't live in other
countries, but we Americans. You know,

900
01:09:48.600 --> 01:09:53.399
I don't know if you have ever
gotten in trouble for killing a plant

901
01:09:53.399 --> 01:09:59.119
that your wife, you know,
Georgia killed that plant. Okay, that's

902
01:09:59.159 --> 01:10:03.720
English, that's maybe American maybe they
maybe they have it in other countries probably,

903
01:10:04.640 --> 01:10:08.720
But in Hebrew you don't kill a
plant because the plant's not all alive.

904
01:10:10.359 --> 01:10:16.880
In Cheabra, if you're developing a
Hebrew doctrine of death, death only

905
01:10:16.920 --> 01:10:23.399
applies to animals and humans, and
we call that sentient life. It doesn't

906
01:10:23.399 --> 01:10:27.520
apply to plants. So if you
pull a potato up out of your garden

907
01:10:27.720 --> 01:10:31.720
or turn up, you're in Hebrew. You're not chilling that plant, you

908
01:10:31.760 --> 01:10:35.399
see. So, so Adam and
Eve could eat in the garden of Eden

909
01:10:35.760 --> 01:10:43.399
prior to the fall, and we
could still have the doctrinal statements say there

910
01:10:43.439 --> 01:10:46.000
was no death prior to the fall. And that's that's why I think older

911
01:10:46.199 --> 01:10:55.920
creationism falls on its face because they're
not following what I believe is a proper

912
01:10:56.600 --> 01:11:01.399
development of the doctrine's sin in script
Sure that basically says that when out of

913
01:11:01.840 --> 01:11:08.079
sin, death entered the world.
Right Anyway, I want to say that

914
01:11:08.119 --> 01:11:12.399
because I want people to know I'm
not a young art creationist. I'm not

915
01:11:12.560 --> 01:11:18.520
a older creations but I hold these
doctrines very close to me. And you

916
01:11:18.560 --> 01:11:20.840
would agree with that, doctor,
I know, well, when I say

917
01:11:20.880 --> 01:11:25.119
you, I'm using the plural.
You your listeners, right Christmas, you

918
01:11:25.159 --> 01:11:29.920
would agree with that. I also
believe in a literal six days. I

919
01:11:29.920 --> 01:11:34.000
believe in a literal six twenty four
hour days. And we talked about this

920
01:11:34.680 --> 01:11:40.159
on the first podcast when we when
we mentioned on the first day of Christmas,

921
01:11:40.199 --> 01:11:43.800
my true look gave to me a
partridge in the pear tree. And

922
01:11:43.800 --> 01:11:47.760
then we we talked about what scripture
does. It basically says and God said,

923
01:11:48.479 --> 01:11:53.600
and that was evening and morning the
X day. So each of those

924
01:11:53.720 --> 01:11:58.119
days begins, it ends with a
phrase, and the phrase does not begin

925
01:11:58.159 --> 01:12:02.000
to verse three, So the six
days themselves don't begin until verse three.

926
01:12:02.439 --> 01:12:09.800
So the six days of preparation do
not begin until verse three. So I

927
01:12:09.840 --> 01:12:16.680
believe in six literal twenty four hour
days beginning in verse three. And anybody's

928
01:12:16.720 --> 01:12:21.560
wondering if you're listening to this podcast
and go back to the third first podcast,

929
01:12:21.560 --> 01:12:29.239
and we talk about Exodus twenty eleven
and how the word creat is not

930
01:12:29.359 --> 01:12:35.520
found in Exodus twenty eleven. It's
the word saw, it's the word prepared.

931
01:12:35.960 --> 01:12:40.600
God prepared the earth in six days. He created the earth in the

932
01:12:40.640 --> 01:12:47.479
beginning versus Genesis one to one.
He then prepares the youth subsequently over a

933
01:12:47.479 --> 01:12:54.359
period of six. So anyway,
we're developing this biblical doctrinal state. Put

934
01:12:54.439 --> 01:12:58.880
that way. For my Facebook group, I'm putting in there the fact that

935
01:12:58.920 --> 01:13:01.600
I've belave in six literal base,
but take note of the fact that they

936
01:13:01.600 --> 01:13:05.319
don't begin until verse three. I
believe in a literal Adam and Eve.

937
01:13:05.560 --> 01:13:10.840
There's another there's another belief out there
that there work. This kind of goes

938
01:13:10.880 --> 01:13:15.640
with I guess you could say it's
kind of evolutions, poisoning of the wealth,

939
01:13:16.479 --> 01:13:21.560
that there were multiple I don't know
what the right word is apes,

940
01:13:21.640 --> 01:13:28.239
you know, over millions of years, and then at some point that eight

941
01:13:28.359 --> 01:13:30.960
becomes a human and that one is
the one we call Adam. Wow,

942
01:13:31.159 --> 01:13:39.239
really, first man's for what's that? That's a little blasphemous, I think

943
01:13:39.279 --> 01:13:42.640
so, But it's out there and
and this is the poisoning of the well,

944
01:13:45.119 --> 01:13:49.479
and I just want to make sure
that we hold. I hold the

945
01:13:49.520 --> 01:13:53.920
fact that there was a literal Adam
and he created by God on day six

946
01:13:54.039 --> 01:13:57.000
period. You know, I shouldn't
even be so surprised by that because I

947
01:13:57.039 --> 01:14:02.399
know people, and I know people
locally who believed that. Both their explanation

948
01:14:02.560 --> 01:14:09.640
is that evolution and the Big Bag
theory happened just God. It was all

949
01:14:09.640 --> 01:14:11.800
in compon. You know, God
was in control of it. But it

950
01:14:11.800 --> 01:14:14.319
did happen, but God was in
control of it. So it's almost like

951
01:14:14.359 --> 01:14:18.119
they took you know, Neil deGrasse
Tyson and Carl Sagan from the right hand,

952
01:14:18.439 --> 01:14:20.560
the Bible on the left, and
they put them in a blender,

953
01:14:20.640 --> 01:14:28.199
and that's what they that's the product
that they present now, pure pure Young

954
01:14:28.279 --> 01:14:31.640
Biosphere creationism, the group that I
left on Facebook. When I was there,

955
01:14:31.640 --> 01:14:35.520
I actually believed in the Big Bang. But I've rejected now the Big

956
01:14:35.600 --> 01:14:40.880
Bag because you flat earthers brought me
in. So you brought me in,

957
01:14:41.520 --> 01:14:45.079
and I brought when I what I
came with in my suitcase is scripture.

958
01:14:45.279 --> 01:14:47.079
There you go, and the Hebrew. And now I'm saying, yeah,

959
01:14:47.079 --> 01:14:50.159
I don't believe in the Big bet. So I was there with the Big

960
01:14:50.199 --> 01:14:53.760
Bang. I wasn't. I was
never there. I think before I got

961
01:14:53.760 --> 01:14:58.000
saved at age fifteen, I held
the evolution because that's a big school.

962
01:14:58.039 --> 01:15:00.880
So so, by the way,
wait, I believe in a literal fall.

963
01:15:01.520 --> 01:15:08.439
I believe that Adam and Eve literally
fell right. I believe in a

964
01:15:08.560 --> 01:15:15.279
universal or global flood capital f I
believe the fossil record today is primarily the

965
01:15:15.319 --> 01:15:21.640
result of Noah's flood or recent activity
since then. You know, I affirm

966
01:15:21.920 --> 01:15:26.560
catastrophic flood geology, et cetera,
et cetera, et cetera. I want,

967
01:15:26.640 --> 01:15:29.399
I want to do one thing,
George. I want to go back

968
01:15:29.439 --> 01:15:33.000
to you love this, you love
me? Spending two hours on one verse

969
01:15:33.399 --> 01:15:42.119
No, I'm serious, going back
to Genesis one, verse two. Yeah,

970
01:15:42.279 --> 01:15:46.520
So so listen to this. We
we take Let's go to day six.

971
01:15:46.800 --> 01:15:51.600
Okay, I'll let you answer the
questions because that way I'll go slow.

972
01:15:51.640 --> 01:15:55.279
I don't want to go to bits. I'm not saying you're slow.

973
01:15:55.319 --> 01:15:58.920
I'm saying I don't want to go
Oh no, I'm so. So what

974
01:15:58.920 --> 01:16:01.640
what's that I'm slow? That's fine? What do we what do we have

975
01:16:01.720 --> 01:16:04.399
on day six? And you can
you can choose to use of the word

976
01:16:04.479 --> 01:16:09.199
created for those for those that are
listening to ver first time, we're delineating

977
01:16:09.239 --> 01:16:15.680
between the word are I create and
the the most common verb found in in

978
01:16:15.159 --> 01:16:18.840
this chapter is a saw. So, so one of the things you're just

979
01:16:18.840 --> 01:16:21.520
a repeat, but one of the
things I said between Genesis one one and

980
01:16:21.560 --> 01:16:28.119
Genesis two four. By the way, most scholars consider Genesis one one the

981
01:16:28.159 --> 01:16:34.760
Genesis two for a complete unit.
Unfortunately, our chapter divisions start verse two,

982
01:16:34.840 --> 01:16:39.000
Chapter two, verses one to four. They put it in chapter two.

983
01:16:39.680 --> 01:16:45.439
Who the original chapter divisions accidentally?
What's the right word? I don't

984
01:16:45.439 --> 01:16:48.760
know. Maybe maybe maybe they were
God guided by the God of this world.

985
01:16:48.800 --> 01:16:55.279
Say for chapter two, the first
four verses are really the last four

986
01:16:55.399 --> 01:16:57.960
verses of chapter ones. That makes
sense. I could agree more. I

987
01:16:57.960 --> 01:17:00.239
think the perfect ending to a chapter
one would have been and these are the

988
01:17:00.279 --> 01:17:03.760
generations of heavens and of earth that
were created in the day the Lord God

989
01:17:03.760 --> 01:17:08.279
made the heavens and the earth.
Like that would have been kind of because

990
01:17:08.279 --> 01:17:12.199
it does include the Seventh Day verses
one through three, right, exactly,

991
01:17:12.439 --> 01:17:15.880
exactly exactly, yes, yes,
okay, So anyway, on verse six,

992
01:17:16.560 --> 01:17:20.640
what did God? What did God? A saw? What did God

993
01:17:20.760 --> 01:17:26.279
do? By the way, I'd
love to repeat this example. If I

994
01:17:26.359 --> 01:17:30.279
go into the kitchen and I say
I'm going to do the dishes, do

995
01:17:30.279 --> 01:17:34.560
is a saw? The dishes are
already there, already exists. So most

996
01:17:34.560 --> 01:17:39.359
of what God did during the six
days is a saw. He did the

997
01:17:39.399 --> 01:17:44.560
dishes. When you say, do
we know that means wash? We know

998
01:17:44.640 --> 01:17:46.920
that mentally that means wash back just
law. Yeah, And I'm not sure,

999
01:17:47.000 --> 01:17:50.479
by the way, if a saw
technically can be translated wash in the

1000
01:17:50.880 --> 01:17:55.199
right that just using the under example, it's kind of a word, that's

1001
01:17:55.359 --> 01:17:59.039
example. Yeah, yeah, yeah
yeah. So okay, so what what

1002
01:17:59.279 --> 01:18:01.680
happened to these it? Oh on
day six? That they said verse six

1003
01:18:02.159 --> 01:18:10.640
day was the creation of the cattle. And he called them the creeping things,

1004
01:18:11.640 --> 01:18:13.640
the beast of the earth after his
kind, and it was so,

1005
01:18:14.039 --> 01:18:17.239
and then make man in our image, our likeness. Uh, you got

1006
01:18:17.439 --> 01:18:23.760
having dominion of the fish, et
cetera. Okay, so now let's summarize

1007
01:18:23.800 --> 01:18:30.720
day five. So I'm just summarize
just bringing forth the waters and having the

1008
01:18:30.840 --> 01:18:34.399
earth in the open firmament of the
oven. And then he talks more about

1009
01:18:34.439 --> 01:18:38.319
the whales and the fish. And
I'm sorry, did I say verse five

1010
01:18:38.600 --> 01:18:43.000
day? Day five? Beginning at
verse one, and God said, let

1011
01:18:43.039 --> 01:18:45.479
the waters bring forth abundantly the moving
creature that have life and foul may fly

1012
01:18:45.560 --> 01:18:49.359
above the earth and the open firmament
of the heaven. Okay, So if

1013
01:18:49.439 --> 01:18:54.399
we're somarizing that, we can basically
say that God created sea, animals and

1014
01:18:54.560 --> 01:18:59.399
birds. Absolutely Okay, good,
Okay, let's summarize and like a half

1015
01:18:59.439 --> 01:19:05.079
a sentence verse versus well, day
four, verses fourteen to nineteen, God,

1016
01:19:05.199 --> 01:19:08.000
well, that's what the sun of
the moon. Let there be lights

1017
01:19:08.039 --> 01:19:11.159
in the firmament to divide the day
for that night, and of course the

1018
01:19:11.239 --> 01:19:15.199
signs for the seasons and the days
for the years. Okay, So I'm

1019
01:19:15.239 --> 01:19:16.960
gonna I'm you don't have to agree
with this. I'm not asking you to

1020
01:19:17.000 --> 01:19:20.600
greet this, but I'm going to
call that the assignments of the celestial body.

1021
01:19:20.760 --> 01:19:24.760
Sure, absolutely, because I personally
believe they were created in verse one

1022
01:19:25.159 --> 01:19:30.039
assignment of the Okay, Now,
how about day three, and we're going

1023
01:19:30.079 --> 01:19:36.239
to summarize this with maybe that's basically
dividing the water and having the dry land

1024
01:19:36.359 --> 01:19:44.000
which was known as the earth.
Can I call that habitable atmosphere? Absolutely?

1025
01:19:44.079 --> 01:19:51.199
Sure? Okay, how about day
two. Let's see Day two is

1026
01:19:51.279 --> 01:19:55.880
like we were saying, dividing the
waters with the firmament, and he also

1027
01:19:55.920 --> 01:20:01.479
called the firm moment the heaven.
Okay, And how about day one be

1028
01:20:01.680 --> 01:20:04.960
versus three of them, God said, let there be light, and there

1029
01:20:05.079 --> 01:20:08.079
was light, and he saw that
it was good, and he divided the

1030
01:20:08.159 --> 01:20:12.720
light for the darkness. Okay,
so now I'm gonna start with verse six

1031
01:20:12.760 --> 01:20:15.159
because our day six, because as
we just started, started with day sticks.

1032
01:20:15.760 --> 01:20:18.880
So I'm going to say, let's
take away Adam need. Okay,

1033
01:20:20.760 --> 01:20:25.039
let's take away the land animals.
I'm going backwards now, right, we're

1034
01:20:25.119 --> 01:20:30.920
walking backwards. Take Away the land
animals. Subtract the sea animals, subtract

1035
01:20:30.000 --> 01:20:32.199
the birds. Oh good, I
love you. Looking up, you're thinking

1036
01:20:32.199 --> 01:20:40.479
about eliminate, eliminate the assignment of
the celestial bodies. Take away the habital

1037
01:20:40.560 --> 01:20:46.640
atmosphere. Sink the land back into
the ocean. Plunge, plunge the planet

1038
01:20:46.760 --> 01:20:51.720
in the darkness. That's verse two. What are you left with? The

1039
01:20:51.800 --> 01:20:57.239
only thing you're left with is the
light from verse three. Right, No,

1040
01:20:57.479 --> 01:21:00.439
let's take away plunge, plunge the
planet in the dark. Okay.

1041
01:21:00.600 --> 01:21:04.680
So basically you have the face of
the deep am I missing with? You're

1042
01:21:04.800 --> 01:21:09.119
left with everything in verse two,
you're left with the fully formed planet and

1043
01:21:09.199 --> 01:21:15.079
the spirit of God. It's sitting
in darkness, it's covering water, it's

1044
01:21:15.479 --> 01:21:18.920
devoid of life. Yep. And
as we said last in our last podcast.

1045
01:21:19.079 --> 01:21:27.039
It's the exact description of Joe thirty
eight verses one to twelve. Job

1046
01:21:27.119 --> 01:21:30.920
thirty eight the oldest the oldest,
oldest book in the Bible in the Bible.

1047
01:21:31.279 --> 01:21:39.319
So it's the exact description. And
it's interesting because people somehow read into

1048
01:21:39.399 --> 01:21:41.720
this, and I was one of
them for a while, don't get me

1049
01:21:41.840 --> 01:21:48.119
wrong. But when we begin with
verse three, we actually, somehow in

1050
01:21:48.199 --> 01:21:56.399
our mind have the creation of the
planet, creation of It's not there though,

1051
01:21:57.319 --> 01:22:03.079
nowhere from verse three on is that
Earth creating. It's already sitting before

1052
01:22:03.279 --> 01:22:10.359
verse three. And what God is. What we've just what we've just done

1053
01:22:10.439 --> 01:22:15.079
by going backwards, is we've subtracted
everything that God saw, everything God did

1054
01:22:15.760 --> 01:22:20.560
in six days, and all we
had all those six days, we come

1055
01:22:20.640 --> 01:22:27.239
up with the fact that He formed
a biosphere. It's the creation or formation.

1056
01:22:28.119 --> 01:22:30.319
I shouldn't use the word creation.
It's the formation of the biosphere in

1057
01:22:30.359 --> 01:22:35.119
six days, and it's the creation
of sentient life on days five and six.

1058
01:22:36.039 --> 01:22:50.000
Anything other than that happened in verse
one makes sense. Yeah. And

1059
01:22:50.119 --> 01:22:55.359
by the way, one thing I
had written down to mention when you were

1060
01:22:55.399 --> 01:23:01.600
talking about sentience and the difference between
you know, death, I guess I

1061
01:23:01.720 --> 01:23:08.159
think what they really get to is
something that has to have feelings to be

1062
01:23:08.199 --> 01:23:13.840
able to discern things, and humans
and animals are about because certainly dogs do.

1063
01:23:14.239 --> 01:23:16.439
When my dog knows she's bad,
she puts her head down right when

1064
01:23:16.479 --> 01:23:20.479
she does something in that, I
think the way that some people say is

1065
01:23:20.600 --> 01:23:29.520
that humans have a body, soul
and spirit. Animals have a body and

1066
01:23:29.600 --> 01:23:33.239
soul, and plants just have a
bought Yeah you see what I'm saying.

1067
01:23:33.319 --> 01:23:36.560
Yeah, that's it. It's very
big, very big paintbrush. But you

1068
01:23:36.680 --> 01:23:45.920
get what I'm saying. Yep.
So absolutely. Anyway, I had some

1069
01:23:46.000 --> 01:23:48.439
lot of things. I don't know
what you're doing on time. Yeah,

1070
01:23:48.520 --> 01:23:51.479
we got about fifteen minutes left.
So if there's any bullet points that you'd

1071
01:23:51.520 --> 01:23:57.520
really like to to hammer home and
again, folks, the links h Chris's

1072
01:23:57.560 --> 01:24:00.039
email address, and the link to
the Facebook page and the link to the

1073
01:24:00.079 --> 01:24:02.720
first podcast in case you missed that, all that will be in the show

1074
01:24:02.760 --> 01:24:10.960
notes, So go ahead, sir. So one of the things that I

1075
01:24:11.359 --> 01:24:16.600
guess I want to talk about here
is we kind of ended the podcast last

1076
01:24:16.680 --> 01:24:23.079
time by saying that, well,
Jesus didn't Jesus affirm a six day creation.

1077
01:24:25.239 --> 01:24:30.479
I guess I got to turn to
the passenger. I'm looking in my

1078
01:24:30.560 --> 01:24:40.399
notes here find the passage, but
in a New Testament. Matthew nineteen.

1079
01:24:40.479 --> 01:24:49.399
Let's turn Matthew. Let's turn to
Matthew nineteen. Okay, because this seems

1080
01:24:49.600 --> 01:24:56.960
this seems to be a big one
for for people to jump from Young Earth

1081
01:24:57.039 --> 01:25:01.239
creations to what I I'm trying to
get them to go to, which is

1082
01:25:01.479 --> 01:25:06.920
young biosphere creation Now, by the
way, I'm not trying to get you

1083
01:25:08.000 --> 01:25:10.760
to really, I'm not really not
trying to get you to go to young

1084
01:25:10.840 --> 01:25:15.760
bias for creation in its original form, because I'm I'm although I hold most

1085
01:25:15.800 --> 01:25:21.600
of the tenets of young biosphere creationism, I'm no longer a young biosopher creationist.

1086
01:25:21.760 --> 01:25:29.560
I'm a flatter Earth young biosphere creationism
with creationists, which means I reject

1087
01:25:30.720 --> 01:25:34.039
I reject the glow of Earth.
And if you are truly a young biosphere

1088
01:25:34.159 --> 01:25:41.640
creationist, you still believe in a
flat Earth, you still believe that the

1089
01:25:41.720 --> 01:25:45.960
planets exist. As NASA tells us, she still believed in billions and billions

1090
01:25:46.000 --> 01:25:49.920
of galaxies. Is Neil or Carl
Sagan or one of them would say,

1091
01:25:50.000 --> 01:25:55.039
right, right? So and I
and I reject all that, but I'm

1092
01:25:55.079 --> 01:26:00.680
trying to get Young Earth creationists to
well, I think wing Gish, I

1093
01:26:00.840 --> 01:26:06.039
think who was the other big one
beside Gish? That they did a lot

1094
01:26:06.119 --> 01:26:12.039
of good work, Don't get me
wrong, but now I want to I

1095
01:26:12.119 --> 01:26:15.319
want to tighten it up and bring
people a little farther. So anyway,

1096
01:26:15.000 --> 01:26:21.079
in chapter nineteen, Matthew nineteen,
it says haven't you read? He replied

1097
01:26:21.119 --> 01:26:26.840
that from the beginning of the Creator. Uh, from the at the beginning,

1098
01:26:26.920 --> 01:26:29.720
the Creator made the male of female
and said, for this reason the

1099
01:26:29.800 --> 01:26:32.159
wife, a man will leave his
father and his mother, and knight to

1100
01:26:32.279 --> 01:26:35.800
his wife, and the two will
become one flesh. So they are no

1101
01:26:36.000 --> 01:26:41.920
longer two but one. Therefore,
what God has joined together, let man

1102
01:26:42.039 --> 01:26:45.079
not separate. So people read this
and then they say, ah, I

1103
01:26:45.199 --> 01:26:48.920
hear everything he said, Chris,
But I guess it's just it's Gee,

1104
01:26:49.039 --> 01:26:53.159
you know, you're going against what
Jesus said. Jesus said a front,

1105
01:26:53.439 --> 01:26:59.399
he's a firming a sixth staate creation
creation. Uh, George, I just

1106
01:26:59.479 --> 01:27:01.520
filled whole pile of water on my
desk. Can you give me one second?

1107
01:27:01.560 --> 01:27:06.960
One? All right? You're good? Okay, So here. So

1108
01:27:08.079 --> 01:27:13.600
here's what I'm saying. We read
this passage, and is there a particular

1109
01:27:13.640 --> 01:27:15.520
I'm asking you this, George,
so you just use played Devil's advocate for

1110
01:27:16.159 --> 01:27:19.720
is there a particular word that jumps
out at you that says, well,

1111
01:27:20.840 --> 01:27:25.560
Jesus is a firm in their six
state creation? Is there one particular word

1112
01:27:25.600 --> 01:27:30.319
that jumps out? Sorry, I
added myself muted, Well you're tsing about

1113
01:27:30.359 --> 01:27:39.079
nineteen Matthew, nineteen four. Yeah, mmm, no, nothing that I

1114
01:27:39.199 --> 01:27:42.720
see, except for the part when
he says at the beginning, when he

1115
01:27:42.800 --> 01:27:45.359
made them male and female. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, that's

1116
01:27:45.520 --> 01:27:48.960
that's the word I'm trying to So
people see the word ending. You see

1117
01:27:49.000 --> 01:27:58.000
the wording getting yep, and our
mind takes us to Genesis one one yep,

1118
01:27:58.239 --> 01:28:02.439
right, immediately go to Genesis one. Ormsay, well, Jesus says

1119
01:28:02.479 --> 01:28:08.880
in the beginning, you know,
she made them male and female. So

1120
01:28:09.039 --> 01:28:16.079
therefore, if Jesus says the beginning, he's talking about the creation of Adam

1121
01:28:16.119 --> 01:28:24.479
and Eve. Therefore, Chris,
everything you've just said about Genesis one and

1122
01:28:24.560 --> 01:28:31.239
two happening prior to the six days
doesn't hold water. The division I'm making

1123
01:28:31.399 --> 01:28:42.079
is I'm making a division between Genesis
one and Genesis two and the six days

1124
01:28:42.239 --> 01:28:47.960
beginning with verse three. Whereas most
Young Earth creationists begin reading at verse one,

1125
01:28:48.279 --> 01:28:53.279
they read all the way through verse
five and they say that's the first

1126
01:28:53.399 --> 01:28:57.880
day. And I'm saying, no, the first day begins with verse three.

1127
01:28:58.439 --> 01:29:05.319
Something happened prior to to verse three. We already know, We've already

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01:29:05.359 --> 01:29:10.800
established her at least I've established the
fact that the sixth Genesis one one happens

1129
01:29:11.279 --> 01:29:15.560
prior to the six days. So
what Jesus is talking about here is he's

1130
01:29:15.600 --> 01:29:20.000
sitting there. If if you go
back to verse three, he's some pharisees

1131
01:29:20.119 --> 01:29:26.119
came up to test, and he's
he's talked. His emphasis here, Jesus's

1132
01:29:26.319 --> 01:29:31.720
emphasis is not on the six days. His emphasis is on what the Pharisees

1133
01:29:31.760 --> 01:29:35.279
are trying to say, is it
lawful for a man to divorce his wife?

1134
01:29:35.359 --> 01:29:41.920
And the point that Jesus, the
point that Jesus is addressing is divorce.

1135
01:29:43.000 --> 01:29:45.920
That's what they're asking. They're trying
to say, is it legal to

1136
01:29:45.960 --> 01:29:51.000
have divorce? So whatever Jesus says
from that point, he's not focused on

1137
01:29:51.239 --> 01:29:57.119
the timing. He's not focused on
the sixth days. He does use the

1138
01:29:57.199 --> 01:30:03.119
word beginning, because at that time
there were no divisions in the towp in

1139
01:30:03.279 --> 01:30:11.399
the in the Torah, He's bringing
the brakins and the thoughts patterns of the

1140
01:30:11.479 --> 01:30:16.199
pharisees back to when God created Adam
and Eve. And you tell me if

1141
01:30:16.239 --> 01:30:19.439
none of this makes sense, I'm
going to give you an illustration that that'll

1142
01:30:19.640 --> 01:30:23.880
that will help you. If if
George, if you and your wife go

1143
01:30:24.000 --> 01:30:30.279
on a seven day cruise and on
the seventh day you go into the gift

1144
01:30:30.319 --> 01:30:36.960
shop and you buy some trinkets and
take home. Technically speaking, no,

1145
01:30:38.119 --> 01:30:40.640
let's say, let's let's say you
go on a seven day cruise on the

1146
01:30:40.880 --> 01:30:44.800
sixth day. On the sixth day, you go into the gift shop and

1147
01:30:44.880 --> 01:30:48.920
you buy something. Technically speaking,
when did you buy those things at the

1148
01:30:49.000 --> 01:30:54.239
beginning of the cruise or at the
end of them towards the end of the

1149
01:30:54.279 --> 01:30:58.279
cruise. Towards the end of the
cruise. So technically speaking, Adam and

1150
01:30:58.359 --> 01:31:03.600
Eve were created at the end of
the six days. They were created at

1151
01:31:03.680 --> 01:31:09.319
the beginning of the six days.
So I'm trying to get people to get

1152
01:31:09.399 --> 01:31:13.319
away from this idea that when we
read the word beginning with our English hearing

1153
01:31:13.399 --> 01:31:18.359
years that what we do is we
say, oh God is or Jesus is

1154
01:31:18.439 --> 01:31:24.000
emphasizing the six state creation. What
he's emphasizing here is that from the beginning,

1155
01:31:24.199 --> 01:31:29.399
from the point that God established marriage, it was ordained by God that

1156
01:31:29.560 --> 01:31:35.199
he created them male and female,
not two males, not two females,

1157
01:31:35.359 --> 01:31:41.640
and he created in the states to
stay together for life, not divorced.

1158
01:31:41.760 --> 01:31:45.159
That's the thing that Jesus is arguing
against. And when we read Genesis two

1159
01:31:45.279 --> 01:31:48.720
twenty four, and I don't even
you don't even have to look this up,

1160
01:31:48.760 --> 01:31:53.520
because if you've gotten married with a
Christian reading wedding, the chances are

1161
01:31:53.560 --> 01:31:57.840
the pastor the officiant probably said this. He said for this reason, the

1162
01:31:57.920 --> 01:32:00.600
two shall become one flesh. That's
the point that Jesus is trying to make,

1163
01:32:00.720 --> 01:32:05.600
is that a male and a female
when they marry, become one flesh.

1164
01:32:05.800 --> 01:32:09.760
That's how Garter, not as ordained
it from the beginning. He's not

1165
01:32:10.199 --> 01:32:13.600
ordained two males together, he's not
ordained two females together, and he's not

1166
01:32:14.119 --> 01:32:17.520
sanctioned divorce. He wanted from the
beginning. God wanted a male and a

1167
01:32:17.600 --> 01:32:20.840
female in the marriag and from the
beginning God wanted them to stay together and

1168
01:32:20.960 --> 01:32:27.560
not get the worst. That's right, point right so here, let me

1169
01:32:27.600 --> 01:32:31.520
give you one more example of why
we shouldn't focus on that word beginning as

1170
01:32:31.640 --> 01:32:38.800
affirming a six day creation of the
entire universe. There is a break between

1171
01:32:39.359 --> 01:32:47.000
verses two and three. If we
go to Luke's Gospel. I'm going to

1172
01:32:47.079 --> 01:33:06.960
go to chapter one loof unsas many
have undertaken to draw up an account of

1173
01:33:08.119 --> 01:33:12.399
the things that have been fulfilled among
us, just as they were handed down

1174
01:33:12.479 --> 01:33:17.520
to us by those who were handed
down to us by those who from the

1175
01:33:17.680 --> 01:33:25.640
first were eyewitnesses and servants of the
Word. Therefore, since I myself have

1176
01:33:25.880 --> 01:33:32.359
carefully investigate everything from what uh it
seemed good to me, also having perfect,

1177
01:33:32.600 --> 01:33:38.119
perfect understanding of all things from the
very first right under the in order

1178
01:33:38.399 --> 01:33:46.319
the most excellus, the most excellent, Theophilus, does your does verse three

1179
01:33:46.399 --> 01:33:50.680
have the word beginning in verse in
your not not in KJV. You're on

1180
01:33:50.840 --> 01:33:55.079
n I V right, Yes,
let me switch real quick, hang on,

1181
01:33:57.000 --> 01:34:03.920
does it hapen in verse two anywhere? Okay? So verse three,

1182
01:34:04.039 --> 01:34:09.560
with this in mind, since I
have carefully investigated everything from the beginning,

1183
01:34:09.640 --> 01:34:12.800
I two decided to write an orderly
account for you. So it is an

1184
01:34:12.880 --> 01:34:18.239
NIV, not in kjav In,
neither versus. So let's go off the

1185
01:34:18.359 --> 01:34:24.760
NIV for just a moment and play
Devil's Advocate. I think Luke was alive

1186
01:34:25.800 --> 01:34:31.760
creation of universe because he went back
and he investigated everything from the beginning with

1187
01:34:31.920 --> 01:34:40.520
this in mind, since I myself
have carefully investigated everything from the beginning,

1188
01:34:41.159 --> 01:34:45.560
well, you know, to can't
do that is what I'm saying, don't

1189
01:34:45.600 --> 01:34:49.960
do it right? Right? Right? That's interesting? Now can you investigate

1190
01:34:51.000 --> 01:35:00.680
via text? Sure? I think
that's possible. I too, decided to

1191
01:35:00.760 --> 01:35:05.640
write an orderly account for you,
most excellent theophulous. I guess what I'm

1192
01:35:05.640 --> 01:35:10.760
trying to say is when did When
did Luke begin? Is investing? Where

1193
01:35:10.800 --> 01:35:15.520
do I think he started in the
beginning beginning of what with with the with

1194
01:35:15.720 --> 01:35:21.640
the beginning of what? What did
Luke start with? The beginning? He

1195
01:35:21.760 --> 01:35:30.039
started with the beginning of Jesus It's
ministry to invest He didn't start with he

1196
01:35:30.039 --> 01:35:32.239
didn't start without him and even the
beginning of time? Right, And that's

1197
01:35:32.600 --> 01:35:35.640
that's the that's the kind of tongue
in cheek point. I'm trying to make

1198
01:35:35.720 --> 01:35:40.319
your thean is when we that's tongue
in cheek. Point. My point is

1199
01:35:41.159 --> 01:35:44.600
when we read the word beginning,
you have to consider the context. Oh

1200
01:35:44.680 --> 01:35:46.239
sure, at the beginning of a
baseball game is not the beginning of time,

1201
01:35:46.359 --> 01:35:49.079
The beginning of your day is not
the beginning of the week, is

1202
01:35:49.439 --> 01:35:55.079
exactly Yeah, sure, And that's
I'm going back now to Matthew nineteen saying

1203
01:35:55.960 --> 01:36:00.880
when Jesus said from the beginning he
created the male and femail, he doesn't.

1204
01:36:00.159 --> 01:36:04.920
He's not commenting on what we would
think would be. We see the

1205
01:36:04.960 --> 01:36:08.680
word beginning in verse one and say, oh, that's where he's taking this.

1206
01:36:08.880 --> 01:36:11.479
You see, I'm trying. I'm
arguing against that. I think you

1207
01:36:11.560 --> 01:36:17.239
get pointed at this point, right
yep, Okay, I probably talked enough

1208
01:36:17.279 --> 01:36:23.600
here and I spilled water all over
the desk. Well, yeah, it's

1209
01:36:23.680 --> 01:36:26.640
it's been great having you again.
There's lots to follow up on. I've

1210
01:36:26.680 --> 01:36:30.600
got two pages of notes, and
I've got to make make sure you all

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go to the Facebook page join say
hello, and it's always good to have

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conversations and to learn from each other. And maybe I'll come in. I'll

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try to come in once a day
and leave some some Scripture in there,

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and you know I'll come out as
as a proud flat earther and I'm assuming,

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uh, by the way, something
I want to run past you because

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I mentioned ken ken Ham a lot
ken Ham. He has this response that

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because people will come up to him
and say, well, you know,

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when someone says to you that,
you know you're one of these Young Earth

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creationists. He replies with, I'm
actually a revelationist, no death before Adam

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redemptionist. He says, in order
to uphold the Gospel, our starting point

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must be scripture. Well, I
already agree with that saving because I've said

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that I think a true, uh
systematic theology of death. We're creating a

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doctrine of death in scripture. Death
doesn't happen until Adam. Since yep,

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so I I agree with that statement. And that's why i'm That's why i'm

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I have difficulty with Hugh Ross because
Hugh Ross believes in death of said the

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life before before the fall. He
has to, because he takes each of

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the six days and he makes the
millions of billions of use. I've not

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studied his work closely, but that's
the gist of Old Earth creation is sure,

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but I'm agreeing with Young Earth creationists, but now I'm trying to get

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Young Earth creations to parse words as
we do. Is get blat Earthers and

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say day one begins with verse three. And that's the biggest problem I have

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with Young Earth creations. Although they
get all those things right, like the

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you know, they leave in a
universal flood most for the most part,

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Yeah, well done. Learned a
lot more today. I've got a lot

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of reading to do. And again, folks, if you have questions,

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Chris's email address will be in the
show description, Chris Bosong at gmail dot

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com. Don't worry about trying to
write it down again. You can copy

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and paste it right from the show
notes as well as the Facebook page and

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the link to the first podcast.
Again, Chris, thank you so much

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for your time, and I want
to give you the last word, sir.

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Last word maybe this time would be
just one of the things my professor

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and seminary used to say, put
the cookies on the bottom show. I

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mean, let's when we unpack the
word God. Let's make it so people

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can just reach it and understand it, don't convolute it. You've noticed that

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I haven't said things like bab consecutive
in the Hebrew. I know all that

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01:39:13.600 --> 01:39:17.119
stuff. My goal is to make
it simple. So do I know all

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01:39:17.119 --> 01:39:20.479
that You want to talk about Bob
Bob consecutives? Yeah, we can talk

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01:39:20.520 --> 01:39:24.840
about that, but I'm not going
to to do that. Year they put

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the cookies on the bottom shelf.
Make it understandable for people. That's my

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01:39:28.279 --> 01:39:31.880
goal, cookies on the bottom shelf. And the military we used an achronym

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01:39:31.960 --> 01:39:35.079
called kiss that that's, you know, keep it simple, stupid, that's

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01:39:35.079 --> 01:39:41.359
what they used to do. Yeah, and when do you get these new

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01:39:41.439 --> 01:39:44.439
lieutenants out of out of school and
they try to use these big words when

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they're giving their presentations. Start major, come up there and speak English,

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01:39:48.399 --> 01:39:54.239
lieutenant. So there you go.
It's been a pleasure to have you.

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I hope again I'm on the page, so I hope to see you all

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link up, join the Facebook page
and let's learn from each other. And

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everyone have a great week. And
again, lots of interesting weather continuing without

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the country, so be careful in
your travels and God bless you all.

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You guys know where to find me. It's the Flat the Flat Earth Files

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01:40:15.079 --> 01:40:17.840
at gmail dot com. And again
I look forward to hearing from everyone for

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Chris, I am George, God
blessed. Keep your head on a swivel

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until we meet again. We will
see. I know it's been a struggle.

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01:40:30.880 --> 01:40:40.479
I don't know you've had spain.
I know you feel t hell down

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01:40:40.640 --> 01:40:47.880
all the way. Yeah, I
know you feel them all you smile ain't

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the same. I saw way go
from you feel like you've lost your way.

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01:41:00.439 --> 01:41:05.840
Don't give up. No, don't
give it and nevers hold, don't

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01:41:05.920 --> 01:41:12.119
let all the primis. He ain't
done yet. He's got a plan.

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01:41:12.840 --> 01:41:23.159
Why it's a right? God up? May come? Why wait? God

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01:41:23.439 --> 01:41:35.880
up, mcle I can see the
street beside you. Child's are putting up

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01:41:36.199 --> 01:41:44.600
five. Oh, you're stronger than
any thing. You guy, You're gonna

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01:41:44.800 --> 01:41:53.800
be all right. You're accepting a
bit found beautiful. You're shoving ride.

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01:41:55.399 --> 01:42:00.600
Yeah, you're live and breathing.
Move you can hold your head a hide.

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01:42:04.399 --> 01:42:10.479
Don't give up. No, don't
give in, never lose home.

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01:42:10.640 --> 01:42:17.359
Don't let go on the primise it
ain't doniets God a clay Why some raintail

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01:42:17.560 --> 01:42:24.039
the God of me comes. Don't
give up, No, don't give in.

1277
01:42:25.159 --> 01:42:30.399
You never lose home. Don't let
go on the primis it ain't out

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01:42:30.479 --> 01:42:34.239
of life. It's worth than man. What's a plain tail? The God

1279
01:42:34.439 --> 01:42:44.960
up baby calls? Why surprise down? Got it up? It comes?

1280
01:42:45.880 --> 01:42:56.039
Oh yes, what surprise down?
The God up baby comes? Oh yeah,

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01:42:58.600 --> 01:43:12.000
you got even call. Don't give
up, no, don't give in

1282
01:43:13.399 --> 01:43:18.680
never les hol do they goal of
the primise and done? Ye's got a

1283
01:43:18.880 --> 01:43:28.000
plane waits and red kid of in
it cos I don't give no dog giving

1284
01:43:29.319 --> 01:43:34.039
whatever the hold? Don't they goal
of the crimeas it ain't done? Lovers

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01:43:34.119 --> 01:43:46.880
worth living watch and the God of
every cos, oh, the God of

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01:43:47.159 --> 01:44:03.760
need cos whys done? The God
of in it comes. You're listening to

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the Fact Hunter Radio Network. Just
the Facts, Mammy,