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The countdown is on to fight time. This is Big Fight Weekend. Now

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here is your host? DJ Leaves
Well, hello there, and we get

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ready for the weekend. I would
love to tell you that we have something

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impressive and amazing to preview on the
Big Fight Weekend preview, but we often

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do our best to tell you the
truth. I'm just saying at the top

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here I'm the somewhat capable host.
You know that that's the truth. TJ

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Reeves, he is our insider.
Fight Freaks Unit is his substack Bigfight Weekend

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dot Com. Dan Rayfield, we
do like to speak the truth. There's

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just not on a much of a
magnitude, not a huge fight card to

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preview. But that doesn't mean we
don't have a show. In fact,

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welcome in, my friend, we
do have a show, and in fact

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we have a two division former world
champion who's going to be an action shortly.

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Who you've talked to that's going to
be on this show. News,

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nostalgia, How we feeling, Oh
we're good. Look, there's there's there's

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no major fights on the weekend.
As I like to say, you know,

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Saturday night, call your mother.
She's worried about you. She'd like

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to hear about how you're doing.
You know, they're like, there is

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a matchroom card the next generation.
It's their version of sort of prospect showbox

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ish on his own, but no
major doubts that we would spend a lot

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of time talking about. So we'll
just check out the prospects. You know,

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we can't. You want to preview
the absolutely grotesque and hideous exhibition match

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in Jamaica between the non legendary Razor
Ruddick and the Hall of Famer James Tony.

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I thought when I saw this on
the rundown that it was part of

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the nostalgia. But now you're telling
me just before we hit the record button,

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this is actually going to be an
exhibition fight, and without looking,

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are both of them fifty years old? Oh yeah? I mean, do

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you want me to say it or
are you going to say it? What

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are we doing here? What is
this? Rayphield? There is an exhibition

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between Tony and Ruddick and we'll talk
about it for a few seconds. What

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are we doing here? Well,
one thing I can guarantee you is that

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the big Man will not be watching
that. I mean, I got better

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things to do with my life.
Then watch Razor Ruddick, who has not

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had a boxing match since twenty fifteen, which I actually saw that fight when

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he got absolutely destroyed by nobody in
three rounds. He hasn't been irrelevant since

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the nineties. He's never won what
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He has significant losses by knockedout in
devastating fashion, to Lennox Lewis, to

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Tommy Morrison, to Mike Tyson of
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You know. So it's like a
whatever. It's sick that he'd even be

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thinking about being in the ring.
He's from Jamaica. I think that's part

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of the attraction. He's going home. Whatever. And James Tony, he

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was a Hall of Famer and was
at one time one of the greatest fighters

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in boxing, a pound for pound
caliber, you know, top two or

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three or number one for some people, hasn't had a boxing match in twenty

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seventeen. And on a more serious
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bottom of my heart, this man
should not be in a boxing ring.

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He is brain damage. He cannot
complete a sentence without you struggling to understand

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what he's saying. And I don't
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at one time I had a very
friendly and fine relationship with James Tony,

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so much so that in the year
that he won the Fighter of the

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Year award from the Boxing Writers Association
of America, when he had a phenomenal

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year which included his incredibly dramatic cruiserweight
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a knockout victory against a still solid
Evander Holyfield, he was the Fighter of

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the Year, and and his team
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at the at his table and the
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I sat with him and his team
and and to think that he's still getting

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in a box. How many and
how many years ago was that that he

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was the fighter shibbition or not that
that that year he won the Fighter The

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year was two thousand and three.
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he was an older fighter then in
twenty So I don't want to spend a

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lot of time on this. If
you want to waste your money in thee

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you need you need to be doing
better things with your life. Amen.

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You know what can I say?
So that that's that's my soapbox statement for

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this show. And again, it's
kind of interesting because of the scheduling of

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the Shaqueur Stevenson a Manuel Navarat Championship
doubleheader being next Thursday, we have more

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time to preview that when we come
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do. You're gonna hear from shaque
Stevenson coming up. But Dan, just

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explain again why that fight is not
this weekend and why it's not on a

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Saturday of next weekend with what's going
on in Vegas, et cetera. Sure,

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I mean, first of all,
from the standpoint of just making things

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interesting, you know, I don't
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every major boxing match on a Saturday
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There are seven days in a week, and I understand that there are better

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days, you know, television wise
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But the big fights in the past, they were all you I always

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get asked us on social media.
You know, you see like an anniversary

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of you know, a big Muhammad
Ali fighter, a Sugar Ray Leonard fighter,

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what have you. And oftentimes there
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and the reason you know, I've
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fights. Movie theaters did not have
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was a way to bring in customers
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a lot of money, So the
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In terms of the Vegas casinos,
having the fight on the Monday was

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a way to get your players to
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meaning they're gonna gamble more at your
tables, et cetera. But anyway,

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so this particular fight between Chaquur Stevenson
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place this coming Thursday, it's the
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be at the Team Mobile Arena with
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You have a situation where the in
Las Vegas is the gigantic Formula one

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race. This is the Formula one
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I guess a multi year commitment to
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and so it's a it's a they
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of things going on in the city, and ESPN is the broadcaster of that

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fight, of that of that race, and so you know, the network

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likes to have what they call synergy. You know, having spent fifteen years

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at ESPN, I know all about
that. That's why Top Rank has for

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most of its time doing fights on
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they have boxing matches mostly in New
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all the other years in New York
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Heisman Trophy. This is the same
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for the F one race, and
they like the idea of having another event

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in the city, another sports thing
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attention and some press and all that. I'm not quite sure this is going

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to generate that kind of attention because
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you know, because all the all
the problems of navigating the strip because of

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the race. It's I mean,
when I was out there TJ for the

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for the Canelo fight in September,
and myself and a few of us went

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to have dinner at a different property
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there was already you could see the
stuff that was being blocked off in the

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suite that was, you know,
over a month ago. Because again so

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that we explained, is the Formula
War one road course is all around the

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strip, yes, right down for
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for people that are working on the
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gamblers, the people that want to
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Uh. You know, the Raiders
played a game last week against someone's giants.

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The Raiders play again this Sunday against
the Jets, and I was told

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with somebody trying to go to that
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of everything being blocked off in anticipation
of this race. I'll tell you what

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happening next weekend. So it's a
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had about maybe making the trip to
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it's a good fight between Stevenson and
de Loo Santos. Never Atte's always

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funny. He's in with a good
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obvious implication from top rank that down
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course Stephenson versus never Atte, assuming
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at they would go up to lightweight
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And the reason was because I had, you know, for about two

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seconds of from I said, you
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open, I want to say,
in twenty sixteen, I have covered every

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single boxing event that has taken place
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I would miss. So I was
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maybe I'll go out there, And
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no offense to the card. It's
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but the notion of navigating that disaster. And also and I was told this

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and checked myself. You know,
we travel after to Vegas. I mean

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it's not you know, got your
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meals, et cetera. The hotel
rooms because of the race are off the

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charts, like there's no deals to
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I was like, you know what, I don't need that headache, but

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I'll be happy to watch Chakor and
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So anyway, the reason they're doing
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into the to the race week and
the team mobile was available. To a

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lot of the other venues where they
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So even though it's a really big
building for that kind of card, you

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know, they'll they'll dress it up. They'll obviously close down the top portion

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of the of the arena. But
you know what, it's it's a good

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thing because not everybody is in home
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Thursday you might attract a little bit
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Uh, you know, it comes
off it comes after a college football game,

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so we'll have a good lead in
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we'll see how that works out for
them. But all I know is cha,

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course Stevenson is one of the best
fighters in boxing back in action,

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never at tay, one of the
most exciting fighters and also a quality fighter

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back in action. So you can
do it on a Monday night, on

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a Thursday night, on a Sunday
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watching, all right. So we'll
give a more of a preview ourselves on

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our Recap Eric Quotes podcast coming off
the weekend before this happens Thursday. But

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they don't have to wait for more
of a preview of this because right now

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they're going to get a preview.
You set it up nicely there, Shaquur

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Stevenson. You spent some time with
him here recently. This was good.

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Chaqueur was good in this interview.
He talked about I don't expect anything less.

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I don't expect to be bad.
If you're sending it and putting it

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on in the office, I expect
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every fighter, as clib and you
know, and Plane spoken at Cha cours,

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you know, but we touched on
a lot of the good topics about

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about getting the chance to fight for
a lightweight title, about the prospect of

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a future naver At Day fight since
obviously they're on the same card together,

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but also about all the guys that
declined, for whatever reasons, not to

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fight him for this vacant I remember
Hane, Devin Haney vacated the WBC lightweight

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title because he's going two hundred and
forty pounds to challenge Regi's program for that

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belt. And so Hane wanted to
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fight Hani. Did not happen.
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Lomachenko turned it down, well,
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accepted, then he turned it down. Finally Deal Los Santos accepted. So

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we guy got Shakor's views on on
all that business that occurred and lots of

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good stuff. He's a I've known
Chaqueur since before he turned professional and I've

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always found it to be, you
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Excellent setup. Here is the conversation
with Dan with Shaquur Stevenson right now.

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But it's my great pleasure to welcome
into the post this week. It's

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a two division world champion, one
of the best fighters in boxing. It

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is Shaquurse Stevenson, scha Court.
Thank you very much for doing this and

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welcome to our show. It was
good, Dan, it was good.

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Everything good. Everything's good with me
also, thank you so much. So

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you're you're you're out in Vegas right
now training. You have a very significant

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fight coming up. You're looking to
win a world title in a third weight

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class, going for the vacant WBC
lightweight title November sixteenth, that's the ESPN

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main event at the T Mobile Arena. You're taking on Edwin Delos Santos.

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It took a while to get your
opponent, but you finally got one.

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And my first question for you is, as I mentioned, you're going to

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go for your title, for a
title in a third weight class. You've

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been a champion at featherweight, You've
been a unified champion in the junior lightweight

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division. You're only twenty six years
old, You're obviously creating all kinds of

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legacy for yourself. What would it
mean to you to become a three division

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champion, especially at such a young
age in this sport. I think that

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it would mean a lot for me
to become a three division world champion.

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I think that you definitely gotta put
me higher up on the powerful pound list.

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I mean, just be just winning
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just going to and dominated. I
think that that's gonna put me higher up

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on the list. So the higher
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I think you. I mean,
I have you on my pound for pund

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lists for sure, But you're twenty
and oh with ten knockouts, and you

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mentioned about winning titles and doing so
you know pretty easily. I guess do

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you feel like through your first twenty
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have really given you a difficult fight, Because when I look at your resume,

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I see your best opponents. I
think of guys like Oscar Valdez,

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Jamel Herring, Robson, Konsiso,
Jem Ryan, Nakatiya, Joet Gonzalez.

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I mean, these are probably the
best guys you faced. Off the top

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of my head, you beat every
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Has anybody given you competition? In
your mind? Nah, Ain't nobody

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give me no competition in a fight
yet. But that's not to take away

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from no fighters. I think that
they all are really good fighters, but

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I think the levels above them,
so Nah, I don't think that nobody

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really gave me a real compeiss yet. You became the mandatory challenger for this

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title with your victory over Yoshino back
in April. That was Devin Haney.

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You know he was undisputed at that
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HAINI would fight you, And if
not, are you at all disappointed that

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he decided to instead? You know, he's pursuing the WBC title at the

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Junior welterweight division against Regis program in
December. Did you think he would fight

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you? And are you disappointed with
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that he would, just because he
was calling in and doing all the things

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that he was doing before I mean
after my fight. So yeah, I

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thought I thought that he would.
But I think deep down inside I knew

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that he wasn't ready to line it
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he is going, like you mentioned, you're going for your history for

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a third weight class. I guess
he looks at it like he's going for

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his own in a second way class, having been undisputed in his weight division,

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now moving up sort of see the
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to fight him, I mean,
I think he just knew. He knew

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when I got there it was trying
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that fighting me would have been like
a really big risk for him. Man,

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coming off of the fight that he
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think his confidence was really low.
So he tried to like play around and

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play a little social media games.
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down he wanted to get in the
ring. Well, once he vacated and

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went, you know, made the
decision to go up and pursue the Regius

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Prograde fight. The WBC went through
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so they just go down the line. You were number one contender from your

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victory over Yoshina. As I mentioned, Lomachenko could have been the opponent.

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He opted not to fight you,
take the rest of the year off.

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Then they went to the Pitbull Cruise
he turned it down. Everybody kind of

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thinks that he said it to a
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of next year. What did you
think about those two guys not fighting you,

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especially Lomacheko, which seemed like it
would have been a super interesting fight,

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a fight that could have been major, both with the same promoter.

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A lot of people thought he deserved
the victory against Hainy. I was really

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disappointed in the fact that he didn't
want to fight me. From what I

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heard, he had got offered the
most money in his career. He's at

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the tail end of his career right
now, so I didn't get the point

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of not fighting me. I didn't
see why not. The only thing I

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could think of is he know that
I'm the truth too, and he knew

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that it would have been a hard
tasked But why Pitbull cools. He already

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shown several times that he got no
interest in getting in the ring with me.

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I think that his dad and his
team is kind of scared. I

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think that they don't really want to
do that today self. They may have

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something to do with the fact that
maybe he can make a bit more money

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against Tank Davis in the rematch.
But understand, I understand your point of

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view. I disagree with that because
he was offered that before the rematch came

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into play. Okay, well,
the rematch, it is not the first

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time. My last fight at Yoshio, that was my first fight at He

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was offered that fight already. Okay, Well, once those two guys decided

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they were out of the situation,
then they went to Frank Martin, who

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was next in line, the undefeated
fighter who was aligned with Aerol Spence with

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PBC TGB Promotions, and they actually
made a deal with Top Rank to do

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the fight. Looked like it was
on the purse. Spid was canceled by

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the WBC, and then suddenly he
decided not to take it, not for

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reasons that had anything to do with
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his own internal whatever was going on
with his people. I saw you guys

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go back and forth about it.
I mean some would say he just flat

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out duct you. What's your thoughts
about his You know, he said he

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would do the fight and then he
didn't do the fight after they made a

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deal. I agree with the people
that said he just flight out ducked me.

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Like I said with him, he
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He said yes, Clearly somebody on
his team wanted to fight. They wasn't

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scared for the fight that happened,
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So, man, I think I
think that dude got cold. Het DM

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that dude and had a conversation with
him. Man, that dude was telling

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me a whole bunch of rumors that
he heard and not speaking no factual information.

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But I told him the facts of
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much the fight was gonna generate,
what the numbers was, and I explained

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to him. And the fact is
he was offered quadruple more than he ever

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made in his career. So if
she wanted to sit there and act like

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it wasn't a duck, that's the
biggest line. So tell me if you

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think that this is accurate. I
think about it like this. You got

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a chance to make the most money
you ever made, no question. You

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have a chance to become the WBC
lightweight world champion, something that boxers covet

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as soon as they think they want
to become a professional fighter, to win

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a world championship. And if you
go in the ring and you quit yourself

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in a solid manner, even if
you lose, especially to a talented fighter

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like sure course Stevenson, it's like
your career is over. Meanwhile, he

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turns it down, has nothing scheduled
that I'm aware of, nothing even in

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the rumor mill about something, and
he may sit out the rest of the

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year and not make a paycheck.
Does that seem kind of crazy to you?

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Yeah, it seemed crazy to me, because not only that, the

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numbers that he fight in front of
the crowds that I've seen and fight in

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front of is like little small crowds. He never been on like a bigger

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stage and been involved in in a
big event, and him being in the

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ring with me would have been like
the biggest event that he ever been involved

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in. I can't see why somebody
would turn that down unless they knew like,

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Okay, I'm loose. I think
that's what he really was thinking.

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Well, Delo Santos manned up and
he took the fight. I've seen him

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fight a few times. He's got
a couple of solid wins in a row

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on his record. He's got the
nice knockout against Jose valan Zuela, who

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was undefeated, was considered a rising
prospect, rising kind of contender. He

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has that win over Adornio by decision. Uh, what is your perspective on

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Delo Santos' abilities and and uh,
and just the fact that he took the

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fight, and I am on record
saying I think it's an easy fight for

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sure. Of course, Stevenson,
to be honest with you, if you

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come to the ring the way you
typically do. And I'm not just kissing

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your end because we're doing an interview. No, I think that Dela Santos

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is a great fighter. Oh,
I can't taint nothing new wis from Dela

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Santo's Uh, from a little bit
of film that I did see on home

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far as I think I'll watched his
fight with Josepho, and I've seen his

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fight with Vinna whatever his name is
Valan Zuela. Yeah, yeah, that

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guy. I think that he performed
good. I mean he's a boxer puncher,

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he got great movement, and I
think that he possesses a more difficult

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task than the public I c.
So we'll see though, Yeah, we

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will see. One thing that intrigues
me about the card, besides just seeing

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you guys in the ring for the
title in the main event, was your

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co feature on that show? Is
the WBOS Junior lightweight champion Emmanuel Naverette,

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a title that you once had is
gonna He's already won titles in three wad

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lass As his opponent that night,
he's defending against Robson Coosasaw, a guy

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who you very easily defeated not that
long ago. It seems pretty obvious to

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me and anybody that pays attention to
such things that top ranks laying the groundwork

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for who they think will be the
WBC lightweight championship course Stevenson to eventually take

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on Emanuel never Atte when he moves
up to lightweight. Is that something that

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interests you and am I on the
right path there? Yeah, it definitely

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interests me. I think a lot
of people think that this dude is a

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boogeyman and he's he's a hell of
a strong fighter that they think that he

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is and knocking out guys and beating
up guys quote unquote worse than me,

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right, which I disagree with,
Like you really go pay them guys is

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winning rounds with him, and there's
a lot of with me. They was

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losing a lot of them arounds.
So honestly, yeah, I'm definitely down

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for it. Uh, we both
got to get past the task that we

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got in front of us come November
sixteenth. From me, he got a

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good fighter and Robinson cause they says
our front him, and I got a

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good fighter in Edwin Della Santo's.
So honestly, I think that we just

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got to stay focused and the fight
should the next when you're getting ready for

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your fight that night, you're gonna
be peeking out on the TV screen in

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your dressing room checking out what he's
doing. Nah, I ain't gonna be

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checking it out. I already seen
him fight several times. Uh it's the

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same shit. Uh, strong and
slow, slow as fugged. Though,

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I had somebody suggest to me when
that fight, when when he was put

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on your card, and it seemed
clear that the that the plan moving ahead

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as long as everybody wins between you
two guys on the sixteenth, that that

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it reminded them the matchup between yourself
and Averette as what might be this era's

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version, if you will, of
a top ranked fight from years ago style

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wise, anyway, when Floyd Mayweather
fought Jose Luis Castillo, you know,

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was a brawling kind of Mexican fighter
with a good reputation and a and a

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fun style to watch against a really
technically skilled black American boxer who had all

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kinds of talent. Do you kind
of see where they're coming from? Do

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you see that at all? Aar
No. I think Castillo was more defensively

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sound and more tighter than Navarrete Narette
is re op Wow, Noah, I

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don't. I don't. I don't
think that's a similar fight or a similar

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to compare that to me and I
say not, Okay, that's fair.

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I just wanted to wrap up with
this. I know that this fight is

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kind of an unusual night. It's
a Thursday night, uh, not the

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normal Saturday night for the major main
events, and the reason, obviously is

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because of everything that's happening that week
in Las Vegas. They have a huge

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event with the Formula one race and
they've got other activities around it, your

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boxing match being one of them.
Do you have any thoughts about, uh,

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the fighting like on that on what
is a huge week for the city

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and also you know, your first
time in the main event at a place

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like the Timobile Arena, which is
the premier venue in Las Vegas at the

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moment for boxing. Uh, I'm
just focused. I'm ready. I'm ready

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to put on the show. I'm
glad that I'm getting a chance to fight

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on a big stage. I'm appreciative
of Todd Rank, I'm appreciative of everybody

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that said this of up. I
can't wait to show out. I can't

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wait to watch a show out.
I appreciate you taking the time to talk

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to me today about it all,
and I look forward to watching a fight.

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Shakura, very good luck in the
fight coming up November sixteenth. Gotcha,

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And we got to keep reminding everybody
that fight is not this weekend.

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Don't be looking for it this weekend, even though we're playing it here on

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the preview podcast. That is coming
next Thursday in Las Vegas, a Thursday

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night Championship doubleheader that includes Navarata.
I promise again we'll talk more about these

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fights Sunday. This is not complicated, folks. We don't have fights to

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really recap this weekend, so we're
gonna spend some more time on Shakoor and

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on Navarata. Coming out with that, let's get to some news and troubling

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news involving Jared Real Big Baby Anderson
arrested early Monday in suburban Toledo, Ohio

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or suspicion of driving under the influence
and also possession of a handgun. Bonded

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out of jail. Not good?
All right? What else do we know

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other than what I just revealed?
They're unbeaten, prominent, arguably the most

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prominent American heavyweight, certainly the most
active American heavyweight, at least in terms

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of the higher rated ones over the
last two or three years. All right,

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Dan, Rayphael, what else do
we know? Now? I think

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you meant seeming prominent, up and
coming of it, because I'm not sure

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he's more prominent than Deontay Wilder.
And yes, I use the word active.

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I use the word active active.
Go ahead. What else do we

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know? Well, active or not
It's not a good thing when you are

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what's the old saying, nothing ever
really good happens after like one am or

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something like that, two am.
My world, we're getting older. It's

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like after eleven am, yes,
or like eleven pm, but yes,

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one am, two am never good. And this is late night Sunday into

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Monday morning that this happened. This
is Monday. This is at the according

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to the official police if you look
at which I looked at on the county

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jail records, he was arrested at
one fifty two am technically Monday, you

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know, or late Sunday night,
early Monday morning. And as you mentioned,

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he was arrested for DUI and in
the course of the traffic stop they

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found a handgun in the glovebox.
It's just not a good thing. I

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mean, somebody in like a joking
half serious, but I kind of understood,

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like the gallows humor of it all. When when name athletes or any

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public person or whatever has these types
of things happens, usually it's after they've

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made a big name for themselves,
after they've in boxing. When this stuff

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happens, you've already usually become a
superstar, you've made millions of dollars and

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your notoriety has gotten to a certain
level. And they made the point that

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Jared hasn't even gone to that point
yet, Like if he can't handle what's

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going on in his life right now, what, he's not a superstar,

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He hasn't been a heavyweight champion,
he hasn't made the million dollar persons.

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00:26:49,480 --> 00:26:52,240
It doesn't have a giant entourage.
Like, what's it going to be like

407
00:26:52,279 --> 00:26:56,119
if he ever should get there?
Is the point that this person was making.

408
00:26:56,720 --> 00:26:59,119
And so you hope that you know, he's a young guy, he's

409
00:26:59,119 --> 00:27:03,079
only twenty three years old. Do
you hope he learned from this that you

410
00:27:03,200 --> 00:27:07,839
gotta take care of your business and
be professional and be an adult. Because

411
00:27:07,079 --> 00:27:11,039
if you're gonna drive around with open
bottles of tequila, which is what it

412
00:27:11,119 --> 00:27:12,559
said in the police report, and
you're gonna have a gun in your car,

413
00:27:12,720 --> 00:27:18,279
and you're gonna be doing this on
a late night, it's not a

414
00:27:18,319 --> 00:27:21,119
good thing for your career. And
the thing about it that's already turns a

415
00:27:21,160 --> 00:27:23,759
lot of people off about Jared Anderson
not about his boxing style. He makes

416
00:27:23,839 --> 00:27:27,079
fun fights. He's obviously a huge
puncher. He showed, you know,

417
00:27:27,319 --> 00:27:33,680
some some good heart and ability to
recover when he had a brief problem against

418
00:27:33,720 --> 00:27:36,960
Charles Martin in one of his fights
over the summer where he was hurting that

419
00:27:37,039 --> 00:27:41,119
fight, but you know, otherwise
came back and besides that problem one,

420
00:27:41,279 --> 00:27:42,799
basically every round scored and knocked on
on his own. So you know,

421
00:27:42,960 --> 00:27:47,000
and Tyson Fury, who was the
heavyweight champion, of course, has done

422
00:27:47,039 --> 00:27:48,920
nothing but rave about the great work
that Jared has given him in the training

423
00:27:48,920 --> 00:27:52,880
camps that he starred with him,
And Jared was one of the one of

424
00:27:52,920 --> 00:27:56,359
the guests that was in attendance when
Tyson fought against France and Naganu in Saudi

425
00:27:56,359 --> 00:28:00,640
Arabia a couple of weeks ago.
I mean, so the guy has a

426
00:28:00,720 --> 00:28:03,440
bright future, but you got to
keep your personal life and all the other

427
00:28:03,480 --> 00:28:07,319
stuff on track. And uh,
you know, he obviously had this issue

428
00:28:07,519 --> 00:28:11,039
come up and it's not a good
thing. But one of the things,

429
00:28:11,160 --> 00:28:11,880
one of the things I thought you
were going to hit on, is why

430
00:28:11,920 --> 00:28:15,599
do you not have a driver?
If you're out doing this and you're a

431
00:28:15,759 --> 00:28:19,000
high priced, prominent athlete, why
do you not have some dude, you

432
00:28:19,000 --> 00:28:22,359
don't need a driver. You have
a fucking app on your phone, press

433
00:28:22,400 --> 00:28:23,680
the button calling uber. It takes
time. I'm with you, but a

434
00:28:23,720 --> 00:28:26,200
lot I mean a lot of these
fighters. I'm like Devin Haney got in

435
00:28:26,319 --> 00:28:30,319
trouble on a on a gun charge. Uh, and that was in southern

436
00:28:30,400 --> 00:28:34,480
California. It eventually that was droped. But nobody else was driving, is

437
00:28:34,559 --> 00:28:38,279
my point. Somebody else was driving
him, so and the thing about to

438
00:28:38,279 --> 00:28:41,960
stop in the first place, according
to the police report, was that he

439
00:28:41,160 --> 00:28:45,799
was He wasn't stopped because he was
weave in and out of traffic or whatever.

440
00:28:45,039 --> 00:28:48,920
They stopped him on a normal speeding
He was in a forty mile per

441
00:28:48,000 --> 00:28:52,880
hour zone. They clocked him doing
fifty five. Seems not unreasonable at that

442
00:28:52,039 --> 00:28:56,599
late hour. Uh. If you're
speeding like that in that kind of zone

443
00:28:56,640 --> 00:28:59,519
that a cop is there is going
to stop and and check things out.

444
00:29:00,119 --> 00:29:02,799
They got their quota to make for
tickets that month. With the head nose,

445
00:29:03,319 --> 00:29:04,160
so you know, it's a normal
traffic stop. And then you walk

446
00:29:04,240 --> 00:29:07,559
up to the driver and it stinks
like tequila. Now you got a problem,

447
00:29:07,799 --> 00:29:11,519
and like marijuana. By the way, that's yeah, they smelled the

448
00:29:11,920 --> 00:29:15,599
burnt marijuana. So now you got
that issue. So you got the alcohol.

449
00:29:15,599 --> 00:29:17,880
You got the drugs, you got
the gun. It's the fucking triple

450
00:29:17,920 --> 00:29:22,039
crown, and not in a good
way. And by the way, besides

451
00:29:22,079 --> 00:29:25,759
that, you know the thing that's
turned some people off of Jared I was

452
00:29:25,799 --> 00:29:27,759
making the point before, and not
fight style. It's a fun style to

453
00:29:27,839 --> 00:29:30,000
watch, and you know, you
want to see the guy in action as

454
00:29:30,079 --> 00:29:33,559
much as possible, and he has
been as uh as we like to talk

455
00:29:33,559 --> 00:29:37,680
about activity. He's had several fights
this year, uh, but he's been

456
00:29:37,759 --> 00:29:41,240
in his one interview after another where
all he does is talk about how much

457
00:29:41,240 --> 00:29:42,960
he dislikes boxing. Now he's only
in it for the money. And I

458
00:29:44,039 --> 00:29:45,240
have no problem with a boxer being
in it for the money, but I

459
00:29:45,319 --> 00:29:48,680
want to see boxers. Yeah,
be in it for the money, make

460
00:29:48,759 --> 00:29:51,119
all you can make, but also
have some passion about what you're doing,

461
00:29:51,279 --> 00:29:52,839
because you want to be the heavyweight
champion of the world. You want to

462
00:29:52,880 --> 00:29:55,880
make a makeup mark, you want
to be a Hall of Famer, you

463
00:29:55,920 --> 00:29:57,200
want to have a legacy, you
want to be in big time fights.

464
00:29:57,599 --> 00:30:00,039
You know, you can say whatever
you want about a Floyd Mayweather who made

465
00:30:00,240 --> 00:30:04,039
a billion dollars as a boxer,
but Floyd Mayweather had a burning, burning

466
00:30:04,119 --> 00:30:07,519
desire in his heart, deep within
the recess of his being to be a

467
00:30:07,599 --> 00:30:11,519
great fighter and be a champion and
be a pound for pound king. And

468
00:30:11,599 --> 00:30:14,559
he did it. And that's not
just Floyd. You could you know,

469
00:30:14,680 --> 00:30:18,519
we could talk about chapter and verse
about most every top fighter out there,

470
00:30:18,559 --> 00:30:21,039
even guys who are at the top
fighters, they still have the desire to

471
00:30:21,160 --> 00:30:22,720
do it. That's why they may
not have great records, but they have

472
00:30:22,880 --> 00:30:26,480
that that that reservoir of will and
heart and desire. And I'm not saying

473
00:30:26,559 --> 00:30:30,160
Jared doesn't have heart when the when
the stuff starts happening in the ring,

474
00:30:30,720 --> 00:30:33,960
but the combination of telling everybody every
five minutes how much you don't like boxing,

475
00:30:34,960 --> 00:30:38,359
and then having these types of troubles, it's just it's a it's a

476
00:30:38,480 --> 00:30:41,880
bad look, it's a turnoff.
And I just hope that he gets a

477
00:30:41,920 --> 00:30:45,200
shit together, takes care of this
problem, lets it be a lesson,

478
00:30:45,240 --> 00:30:48,880
and comes back and has a great
career. And again, he bonded out

479
00:30:48,920 --> 00:30:51,400
of jail. He's got a future
court data. I'm sure there'll probably be

480
00:30:51,559 --> 00:30:55,319
some kind of intervention program that he
can go through. That's the case in

481
00:30:55,440 --> 00:30:57,319
most states, depending on if you're
a first time offender that kind of thing.

482
00:30:57,599 --> 00:31:00,960
What do we know about the time
line about when he would be back

483
00:31:02,000 --> 00:31:03,519
to fight, because he was not
slated to fight for the end of this

484
00:31:03,720 --> 00:31:07,720
year right now. But what do
we know, if anything, and does

485
00:31:07,799 --> 00:31:11,319
this hamper it? Do we know
anything about that? No, I don't

486
00:31:11,319 --> 00:31:12,960
think it hampers it, because not
like he's gonna go away to prison or

487
00:31:12,960 --> 00:31:15,400
anything like this. I mean,
there may be, like you said,

488
00:31:15,400 --> 00:31:18,480
there'll be some type of you know, first of all, he could end

489
00:31:18,599 --> 00:31:21,200
up, you know, being found
in a center or whatever for whatever reasons.

490
00:31:21,920 --> 00:31:22,640
But no, don't I don't think
he has an impact on that.

491
00:31:22,759 --> 00:31:26,640
I mean unless he's, like,
you know, got a drinking problem,

492
00:31:26,640 --> 00:31:27,480
which I don't. I don't know
if he does or not, But if

493
00:31:27,480 --> 00:31:30,759
he does, maybe that would cause
an issue. But at the moment,

494
00:31:30,799 --> 00:31:32,720
he, like you said, he
wasn't scheduled to fight for the rest of

495
00:31:32,759 --> 00:31:34,400
this year, and I would imagine
he would have been on top rank schedule

496
00:31:34,799 --> 00:31:37,920
and you know, sometime in the
first quarter of next year. I don't

497
00:31:37,920 --> 00:31:41,480
think that's one hundred percent set yet. Obviously they have to you know,

498
00:31:41,880 --> 00:31:45,000
get their calendar worked out with ESPN. I don't know what stage that is

499
00:31:45,039 --> 00:31:48,160
in then they got to figure out
the type of opponent and that type of

500
00:31:48,200 --> 00:31:48,799
thing. So yeah, I mean, I don't think that's gonna have an

501
00:31:48,799 --> 00:31:52,200
impact Hill, It'll probably still fight
the first quarter. All right, fair

502
00:31:52,319 --> 00:31:56,880
enough on that, all right,
let's move on. We did also learn

503
00:31:56,960 --> 00:32:01,759
this week Jake Paul we already knew
turning in December on his own not on

504
00:32:01,880 --> 00:32:07,880
pay per view in Orlando, and
they announced the opponent Andre August, who

505
00:32:07,039 --> 00:32:12,759
is a boxer and not a household
name. So my initial reaction to this

506
00:32:13,000 --> 00:32:15,839
was kind of okay, and I
think a lot of people's reaction is kind

507
00:32:15,839 --> 00:32:20,160
of on that opponent. But give
me your insight here, because it's not

508
00:32:20,240 --> 00:32:23,640
an MMA guy, it's not a
big brand name MMA guy. It's not

509
00:32:23,720 --> 00:32:29,440
a celebrity goofy thing. But what
about this fight? For this Jake Paul

510
00:32:29,640 --> 00:32:32,880
is damned if he does and damned
if he doesn't. So I'm with you.

511
00:32:34,519 --> 00:32:37,759
We did the whole thing about the
MMA fighters. He had the Nate

512
00:32:37,839 --> 00:32:39,720
ds fight, Tyron Woodley. He
did this fight, you know, he

513
00:32:39,839 --> 00:32:44,240
did. Finally, there were times
we've discussed many times about how he tried

514
00:32:44,279 --> 00:32:46,680
to fight boxers, whether it was
a hassim Rockman Junior type fight that didn't

515
00:32:46,680 --> 00:32:50,640
happen for reasons that were not Jake
Paul's fight. That was because of Rockman's

516
00:32:50,640 --> 00:32:53,960
situation. So he fights the Tommy
Fury fight or an actual boxer. I

517
00:32:54,039 --> 00:32:58,160
mean, maybe you can say what
you want about Tommy's talent level or you

518
00:32:58,200 --> 00:33:00,519
know, now he's involved with the
you know, the Misfits, you know,

519
00:33:00,920 --> 00:33:05,519
that kind of thing where he did
and you know, being more famous

520
00:33:05,559 --> 00:33:07,759
probably for being Tyson Fury's half brother
than for being you know, a true

521
00:33:07,799 --> 00:33:10,039
fighter. But at the end of
the day, he's a professional boxer who

522
00:33:10,119 --> 00:33:14,599
didn't compete in other sports, and
Jake stepped up and fought him, lost

523
00:33:14,640 --> 00:33:15,680
a really close fight. They both
made a ton of money. Good for

524
00:33:15,759 --> 00:33:19,400
them. So now coming off that, he goes and he fights in ads

525
00:33:19,519 --> 00:33:21,920
and people were sort of lamenting,
oh shit, he's back to fighting these

526
00:33:22,039 --> 00:33:23,799
MMA guys. You know, meanwhile, he's cashing checks. You know,

527
00:33:23,880 --> 00:33:27,160
he made a huge amount of money
that would have did a great pay review

528
00:33:27,240 --> 00:33:30,440
number. It did a big gate. So but what I respect and admire

529
00:33:30,480 --> 00:33:35,000
about Jake Paul is the following and
I liked what he said when they made

530
00:33:35,000 --> 00:33:39,000
the statement about this announcement for his
fight against August is that he said,

531
00:33:39,119 --> 00:33:45,359
look, I've already made like a
ton of money and I've already done the

532
00:33:45,400 --> 00:33:47,240
whole pay per view thing. But
he wants, and I'm paraphrasing what he

533
00:33:47,319 --> 00:33:51,680
said, he wants to be a
champion. Okay, we'll see if that

534
00:33:51,759 --> 00:33:53,640
ever happens, that's a different story. But he wants to give it his

535
00:33:53,759 --> 00:33:57,920
best effort to see if he can
get to that level. And the only

536
00:33:58,000 --> 00:34:01,119
way you can do that is by
experience and testing yourself and climbing the ladder.

537
00:34:01,480 --> 00:34:04,880
This is a guy in Jake Paul
who's seven and one, who had

538
00:34:04,920 --> 00:34:09,280
one amateur fight, so this is
his amateur career in essence. If he

539
00:34:09,440 --> 00:34:12,559
was just a guy that you never
heard of, that you didn't care about,

540
00:34:12,840 --> 00:34:17,000
this matchup would be like a mid
level ESPN plus preliminary, you know,

541
00:34:17,119 --> 00:34:21,599
before the bell on his own,
you know, type of show where

542
00:34:21,719 --> 00:34:25,320
it's just this, here's this anonymous
up and coming seven and one cruiserweight trying

543
00:34:25,360 --> 00:34:28,719
to make a go of it.
We've matched him with a ten and one

544
00:34:29,000 --> 00:34:31,719
and one cruiserweight and let's see what
happens. And no one would even blink.

545
00:34:31,719 --> 00:34:36,000
It wouldn't register. But because Jake
is famous, and because he's done

546
00:34:36,000 --> 00:34:39,079
these big events and he has a
huge fan following. The choices where do

547
00:34:39,159 --> 00:34:43,000
I continue down the path of the
MMA fights, which, yeah, they

548
00:34:43,119 --> 00:34:46,000
become events and they make money.
It's getting a little played out. Or

549
00:34:46,039 --> 00:34:50,239
do I go, you know,
let my bank account fill up, and

550
00:34:50,320 --> 00:34:52,079
I'm going to try to make a
go of it and let me get the

551
00:34:52,159 --> 00:34:54,360
real experience on need. I'll trust
my matchmakers and my team to match me

552
00:34:54,480 --> 00:34:59,159
with an appropriate level opponent. And
keep in mind this is the most important

553
00:34:59,159 --> 00:35:02,000
thing. It's one thing to ask
the public to pay money for a pay

554
00:35:02,000 --> 00:35:06,679
per view fight. The fight against
August is not a pay per view fight.

555
00:35:06,760 --> 00:35:08,719
It's a regular Zone fight. It
is only the second time in Jake's

556
00:35:08,760 --> 00:35:13,639
career that he's not on pay per
view. His professional debut was on a

557
00:35:13,679 --> 00:35:16,039
matroom boxing undercard on the Zone.
Every other fight he has had has either

558
00:35:16,079 --> 00:35:19,159
been the main event of a pay
per view or an undercard of a pay

559
00:35:19,159 --> 00:35:22,280
per view, And now he's on
regular Zone. And also because he fights

560
00:35:22,280 --> 00:35:27,880
on an event like this not on
pay per view, it's not like it's

561
00:35:28,559 --> 00:35:30,280
it's interesting because we'll see how Jake
does against a boxer. Yes, but

562
00:35:30,400 --> 00:35:36,039
remember, the undercard that they're fashioning
together has a worthwhile Women's championship fight for

563
00:35:36,119 --> 00:35:40,400
the vacant WBC Supermanial Television Shadeza Green
and a franchion Cruiz Desern, who is

564
00:35:40,400 --> 00:35:45,039
the former undisputed champion. So again, I submit to the people who want

565
00:35:45,079 --> 00:35:49,480
to rip Jake Paul and want to
just hate to hate for hate's sake?

566
00:35:50,079 --> 00:35:53,079
What do you want from this person? You don't want to watch him against

567
00:35:53,079 --> 00:35:57,280
an MMA fighter, you wanted to
fight a boxer. Check. You don't

568
00:35:57,320 --> 00:36:00,280
want him on pay per view because
it's too much money. Check, it's

569
00:36:00,320 --> 00:36:02,280
just a regular part of a subscription
to the zone. Which you're a diehard

570
00:36:02,320 --> 00:36:06,760
boxing then you probably have the zone, or at least you should. He

571
00:36:06,840 --> 00:36:09,239
wants to develop, he's not looking
to con anybody. He's fighting a boxer

572
00:36:09,320 --> 00:36:14,519
who's similarly experienced, had a layoff, but he just fought a few months

573
00:36:14,519 --> 00:36:16,960
ago and got a win. I
mean it should Jake win the fight.

574
00:36:17,199 --> 00:36:22,239
Of course, his matchmakers aren't fucking
stupid. They're matching him in a fight

575
00:36:22,320 --> 00:36:24,519
they think he can win. But
the idea is to show him different styles,

576
00:36:24,960 --> 00:36:29,480
keep him active. We talk about
activity every single show. This is

577
00:36:29,679 --> 00:36:34,159
checking every box, solid undercard,
not pay per view, real boxer,

578
00:36:34,480 --> 00:36:37,719
somebody that can help him learn and
grow what he wants to do. And

579
00:36:37,840 --> 00:36:42,039
don't make any fucking mistake about this. He's leaving money on the table because

580
00:36:42,039 --> 00:36:45,480
if he wanted to, he could
have fought another a rematch with Na Diez

581
00:36:45,599 --> 00:36:49,000
or some other MMA guy, or
try to go in the cage and fight

582
00:36:49,119 --> 00:36:52,840
somebody in that in that sport.
So again, I don't want to be

583
00:36:52,920 --> 00:36:55,360
viewed as like the ultimate Jake Paul
ask Z. I respect what this guy

584
00:36:55,480 --> 00:37:00,239
is doing. He's doing it the
old fashion way. He's fighting a your

585
00:37:00,119 --> 00:37:05,159
professional boxer, not a superstar.
But he wants to get better and learn,

586
00:37:05,159 --> 00:37:07,760
and he's putting himself out there,
so I don't. It's like I

587
00:37:07,880 --> 00:37:09,239
said, damned if you do,
damned if you don't. If he thought

588
00:37:09,239 --> 00:37:12,960
a fucking MMA guy, he'd get
ripped. If he fought on pay per

589
00:37:13,039 --> 00:37:15,320
view, he'd get ripped. Now
he's doing the opposite, and people are

590
00:37:15,360 --> 00:37:19,280
ripping him anyway haters, and I'm
not ripping him here in this instance.

591
00:37:19,280 --> 00:37:22,360
I'm actually I'm giving him and I'm
giving him the credit because I said to

592
00:37:22,480 --> 00:37:27,400
you, I'm good with him fighting
MMA guys, I'm out. I don't

593
00:37:27,440 --> 00:37:30,559
have to watch that anymore. So
now we're back to fighting boxers and if

594
00:37:30,559 --> 00:37:32,679
it's the true intent to try to
move up the ranks, and there'll be

595
00:37:32,719 --> 00:37:37,000
another subsequent fight with another boxer in
a few months. I'm still in on

596
00:37:37,159 --> 00:37:42,000
this so joining with and they are
paying us to say this, we're just

597
00:37:42,159 --> 00:37:45,519
giving you. I wish they were
because I'd take their money, no problem.

598
00:37:45,079 --> 00:37:47,519
But here's the thing. I'll read
you part of Jake's quote when they

599
00:37:47,599 --> 00:37:51,960
when they announced fight. I'm a
professional boxer and I want to be a

600
00:37:51,960 --> 00:37:53,920
world champion. Okay. I mean, we can argue about whether I think

601
00:37:54,360 --> 00:37:58,639
or not whatever that that's his desire. But the only way he gets there

602
00:37:58,880 --> 00:38:01,679
is starting with fights like this that
progress him up to that. We know

603
00:38:01,760 --> 00:38:05,400
that, we understand. So he
says, I need to pursue a path

604
00:38:05,519 --> 00:38:09,079
towards greatness against Bengal who have been
boxing their entire life or their whole life.

605
00:38:09,400 --> 00:38:13,039
So far, my entire boxing career
has been on pay per view.

606
00:38:13,320 --> 00:38:15,719
But now it's about more than business. Now I want to build my experience

607
00:38:15,800 --> 00:38:20,320
in the ring against seasoned fighters,
and that's what he's going to do,

608
00:38:20,400 --> 00:38:22,639
and let me tell you your thing. His business partner at MVP, their

609
00:38:22,639 --> 00:38:27,199
promotion company, Nikisa Badarian. I
was talking. I texted with him a

610
00:38:27,199 --> 00:38:29,719
little bit, and I also read
his quote that he put out when they

611
00:38:29,760 --> 00:38:31,280
announced his fight, and I'm going
to give him credit. You know,

612
00:38:31,360 --> 00:38:36,440
he really kept it realingness. It's
not a knock on the fighters I'm about

613
00:38:36,480 --> 00:38:39,360
to mention. But his point is
well taken, as he points out in

614
00:38:39,440 --> 00:38:45,079
his comments when this fight was announced. When Terrence Crawford turned pro his ninth

615
00:38:45,199 --> 00:38:47,320
this is going to be Jake's ninth
professional fight. He's seven to one with

616
00:38:47,400 --> 00:38:52,239
four knockouts, his opponents ten one
and one with five knockouts, and he's

617
00:38:52,280 --> 00:38:54,519
coming off a knockout win a couple
of months ago. He says. This

618
00:38:54,679 --> 00:39:00,480
is Nikisa Badarian's comment. Terrence Crawford
in his ninth fight, fought opponent who

619
00:39:00,559 --> 00:39:04,440
was nine, fourteen and one.
When Canelo Alvarez was in his ninth professional

620
00:39:04,480 --> 00:39:07,199
fight, his opponent was zero to
one. When Dravonte Tank Davis was in

621
00:39:07,280 --> 00:39:12,559
his ninth fight, he fought an
opponent with thirty one losses. Quote.

622
00:39:12,840 --> 00:39:16,480
But Terrence Crawford and Gervonta didn't have
the whole world watching Jake does. And

623
00:39:16,639 --> 00:39:19,920
so he's once again putting it on
the line, taking on a ten to

624
00:39:19,960 --> 00:39:22,519
one and one opponent. And that's
truellaid, because all of that's valid.

625
00:39:22,599 --> 00:39:28,039
Brawford and Canelo and Davis, nobody
knew them or cared about them at that

626
00:39:28,159 --> 00:39:30,280
moment when they were fighting their ninth
fight. They were in annymous in you

627
00:39:30,360 --> 00:39:34,480
know, anonymity, trying to make
their way, build them up, get

628
00:39:34,559 --> 00:39:37,119
experience, and learn the ins and
outs of professional boxing. Jake has done

629
00:39:37,119 --> 00:39:40,519
it in front of the whole world, and it just so happens that,

630
00:39:40,800 --> 00:39:44,320
you know, he's famous more than
those three guys are, who obviously have

631
00:39:44,440 --> 00:39:49,000
become, you know, top fighters. But he's fighting a guy with clearly

632
00:39:49,119 --> 00:39:51,400
better record, you know, so
be it. I mean, all right,

633
00:39:52,119 --> 00:39:53,639
that's the way it is. So
in December, and look, a

634
00:39:53,679 --> 00:39:57,519
lot of and a lot of people
are going to benefit on the undercard for

635
00:39:57,599 --> 00:40:00,440
this and the fight series that he's
doing. He's looking at out for other

636
00:40:00,519 --> 00:40:02,320
fighters. There's something to be said
for that too, by the way,

637
00:40:02,679 --> 00:40:07,280
including Amanda Serrano talking about the millions
of dollars she's made in the last couple

638
00:40:07,320 --> 00:40:12,880
of years being associated with he his
promotions, his cards, so there's something

639
00:40:12,920 --> 00:40:15,039
to be said for that too.
Give him credit there, and again they're

640
00:40:15,079 --> 00:40:17,880
not propping us up to say this, We're just giving you our honest takes

641
00:40:19,360 --> 00:40:22,320
on that announcement. So that's coming
in December. We got plenty of more

642
00:40:22,360 --> 00:40:27,639
time to talk about that. Let's
get to the subject of Showtime closing things

643
00:40:27,800 --> 00:40:31,280
out. December sixteenth show you've been
talking about in Minneapolis, and now David

644
00:40:31,360 --> 00:40:35,840
Morel, the headliner, has an
opponent. You've learned this tell us more

645
00:40:35,920 --> 00:40:38,639
about that for December as well.
So my reporting says that his opponent for

646
00:40:38,800 --> 00:40:43,000
the sixteenth, which is not signed
yet to my knowledge, but this is

647
00:40:43,039 --> 00:40:46,159
the opponent they are focused on in
targeting and likely will be. The opponent

648
00:40:46,559 --> 00:40:51,519
is a fighter a named Senna Agbeco
who is twenty eight and two with twenty

649
00:40:51,559 --> 00:40:54,400
two knockouts. He is from Ghana
Fights out of Nashville. Has been on

650
00:40:54,480 --> 00:41:00,320
Showbox in the past. If people
remember back in April, he was supposed

651
00:41:00,320 --> 00:41:04,639
to be the challenger against David Morrell, who was the WBA Secondary Super mid

652
00:41:04,719 --> 00:41:07,679
Away title holder. They were supposed
to box on the co feature when Ryan

653
00:41:07,719 --> 00:41:12,320
Garcia and Tank Davis had their big
fight April twenty second at the T Mobile

654
00:41:12,360 --> 00:41:15,199
Arena, and shortly before that fight
occurred, there was a medical issue related

655
00:41:15,239 --> 00:41:20,920
to Senbeco's medical exam and he was
withdrawn from the fight and he was replaced

656
00:41:20,920 --> 00:41:22,639
by Yamaguchi Falcau, who, then, of course, Morell went in the

657
00:41:22,719 --> 00:41:25,800
ring and absolutely decimated in the first
round. Now, as I am told

658
00:41:25,840 --> 00:41:30,599
by sources that whatever the medical issue
that Senategbeco had that prevented him from being

659
00:41:30,679 --> 00:41:35,920
licensed for that fight has been resolved, and therefore he will be permitted to

660
00:41:36,239 --> 00:41:38,800
be the opponent and challenge Morrell in
this fight the sixteenth, which will be

661
00:41:38,880 --> 00:41:43,400
the main event of what is supposed
to be the final Showtime boxing card,

662
00:41:43,840 --> 00:41:47,159
And I would imagine that in the
next I don't know how long it will

663
00:41:47,159 --> 00:41:51,000
take, but in the not too
disinfusion, they'll announce that event. It's

664
00:41:51,039 --> 00:41:52,280
supposed to be a triple header,
but that would be the main event,

665
00:41:52,320 --> 00:41:55,559
and that will, I guess,
be the final fight we see on Showtime

666
00:41:55,639 --> 00:42:00,480
before they are out of business in
terms of paramount their pair of company pulling

667
00:42:00,519 --> 00:42:04,079
the plug on Showtime Sports. And
let me say, by the way,

668
00:42:04,119 --> 00:42:07,960
as disappointing and upsetting as it was
to see them bell out on boxing.

669
00:42:07,239 --> 00:42:12,079
As I come to learn just yesterday
one of the shows that I'm a big

670
00:42:12,159 --> 00:42:15,320
fan of on Showtime, not a
boxing show or anything, is the political

671
00:42:15,360 --> 00:42:17,079
show called The Circus. I found
out that that guy canceled also, so

672
00:42:17,280 --> 00:42:22,920
now I'm definitely canceling my Showtime subscripsion. Yeah, they've been mixing a lot

673
00:42:22,000 --> 00:42:29,239
of different things. That's a great
show. And my understanding too from having

674
00:42:29,320 --> 00:42:34,199
a source within all of this through
Paramount, is they're eventually going to extinguish

675
00:42:34,280 --> 00:42:37,559
Showtime altogether. Oh yeah. Now
that may not be next week, it

676
00:42:37,639 --> 00:42:42,400
may not be to the middle of
twenty twenty four, but eventually Showtime itself

677
00:42:42,559 --> 00:42:45,239
is going to cease to exist as
well. The first steps of this are

678
00:42:45,280 --> 00:42:49,239
being taken with what they're pairing down, including getting rid of the sports division.

679
00:42:49,760 --> 00:42:53,880
Interesting because I did see this in
the Fight Freak show Night substack and

680
00:42:53,960 --> 00:42:59,320
in the newsletter, is that you
have with Showtime going away. You have

681
00:42:59,400 --> 00:43:05,119
been doing your and you have discovered
that On the docket for the Nevada Athletic

682
00:43:05,159 --> 00:43:10,519
Commission hearing is a pay per view
and TGB Promotions and Premiere Boxing Champions are

683
00:43:10,599 --> 00:43:15,039
involved with this. For January so
tell me more on what you have uncovered

684
00:43:15,239 --> 00:43:16,920
that's going to be discussed next week. Yeah, I mean, listen the

685
00:43:17,079 --> 00:43:22,159
Nevada Commission when they have a meeting, they have a meeting every single month,

686
00:43:22,199 --> 00:43:24,400
and within I guess it's usually two
weeks ten days before the meeting,

687
00:43:24,880 --> 00:43:29,079
they put out the agenda. So
I'm on their mailing list. I have

688
00:43:29,199 --> 00:43:31,320
been for you know, twenty something
years. I get their agendas and I

689
00:43:31,440 --> 00:43:36,320
read them. It tells you,
like, you know, which amateur team

690
00:43:36,400 --> 00:43:39,280
is asking for a grant to help
them pay for their expenses. It talks

691
00:43:39,280 --> 00:43:42,880
about, you know, when hearings
are scheduled, if a guy has a

692
00:43:42,960 --> 00:43:46,039
failed drug test, pointing of judges
and referees for major you know, for

693
00:43:46,079 --> 00:43:50,760
any championship level fight or made event
type fights, the requests for dates from

694
00:43:50,800 --> 00:43:52,599
promoters and all that kind of stuff. And this was one of those things

695
00:43:52,639 --> 00:43:55,360
on there where I'm just kind of
reading the agenda like I always doing.

696
00:43:55,440 --> 00:44:00,880
This one kind of jumped out and
it was a fact that you have TGB

697
00:44:00,000 --> 00:44:05,239
Promotions, which is the house promoter
for all PBC events, asking the Commission

698
00:44:05,320 --> 00:44:10,920
for a date request of January thirteenth
at the MGM Grand And it says on

699
00:44:12,039 --> 00:44:15,000
the thing. It says, specifically, this is not what TGB wrote.

700
00:44:15,159 --> 00:44:19,440
This is what the commission wrote on
the on the agenda, you know for

701
00:44:20,039 --> 00:44:22,239
you know, because they considered I
mean, these are all like rubber stamps

702
00:44:22,360 --> 00:44:27,400
essentially when they ask for these dates
most of the time. But the bottom

703
00:44:27,440 --> 00:44:30,880
line is they're asking for that date, and it would stated that it was

704
00:44:30,000 --> 00:44:34,280
in the reason was it was,
you know, for a pay per view.

705
00:44:34,559 --> 00:44:36,679
Now, a lot of times when
you see that I've been reading these

706
00:44:36,679 --> 00:44:39,360
agendas for a long time, it'll
say for an ESPN pay per view,

707
00:44:39,360 --> 00:44:42,960
it'll say for Showtime pay per view. It'll say for a Fox pay per

708
00:44:43,039 --> 00:44:45,800
view back when they were doing or
HBO pay per view when they were doing

709
00:44:45,039 --> 00:44:49,559
this, did not say that.
This just said for pay per view.

710
00:44:50,039 --> 00:44:53,840
So obviously, anybody that's been following
what's been going on knows that that the

711
00:44:53,920 --> 00:44:58,880
PBC folks are either looking for a
new deal or have a new deal but

712
00:44:58,960 --> 00:45:02,960
having yet made that fie, and
that they're doing an event on January thirteenth.

713
00:45:04,000 --> 00:45:07,199
Now, it has been mentioned to
me that by somebody in the industry

714
00:45:07,239 --> 00:45:09,119
that the thirteenth did not seem like
the likely did for a pay per view,

715
00:45:09,800 --> 00:45:13,440
So it is conceivable that is an
error by the Commission in terms of

716
00:45:13,480 --> 00:45:16,119
listening as for a pay per view, But it doesn't change the notion that

717
00:45:16,559 --> 00:45:21,920
that TGB is seeking a date on
the thirteenth to do an event. So

718
00:45:22,239 --> 00:45:23,440
whether it's a pay per view or
not a pay per view is not really

719
00:45:23,519 --> 00:45:27,280
relevant. The reality is that they're
looking to do an event. Obviously,

720
00:45:27,320 --> 00:45:30,599
they're not the kind of outfit that's
doing events that are not being televised or

721
00:45:30,639 --> 00:45:34,559
streamed or have some type of broadcast
PLAYFLL. I can tell you in my

722
00:45:34,760 --> 00:45:39,559
world that's the NFL Playoffs first Saturday
that weekend. That's going on on Saturday

723
00:45:39,639 --> 00:45:45,239
night, the thirteenth of January.
So let's see what it is in fact

724
00:45:45,280 --> 00:45:47,280
they're going to do. I mean, the speculation, shall we just speculate

725
00:45:47,320 --> 00:45:51,079
we didn't have fights to preview?
You already played, We already played your

726
00:45:51,079 --> 00:45:57,239
conversation with SHAKR Stevenson. Is this
maybe where Gervonte Davis re emerges to headline

727
00:45:57,280 --> 00:46:00,559
that pay per view, which he
has fought I believe the last two Januaries

728
00:46:00,960 --> 00:46:04,280
on pay per view, at least
last January. I know he fought on

729
00:46:04,280 --> 00:46:07,480
the VIC. There is there is
that possibly what this is to headline Maybe

730
00:46:07,599 --> 00:46:09,800
I don't know the answer to that. I mean, if it in fact

731
00:46:09,920 --> 00:46:13,440
is a pay per view, which
like I just mentioned, it doesn't.

732
00:46:13,480 --> 00:46:16,280
It's not necessarily a pay per view
just because it was on the commission agenda.

733
00:46:16,599 --> 00:46:20,039
But if it is a pay per
view, one would imagine that that

734
00:46:20,119 --> 00:46:22,039
would be the spot because, like
you said, Tank fought in January of

735
00:46:22,159 --> 00:46:25,039
this year, that was the Hector
Luis Garcia fight. He then had the

736
00:46:25,119 --> 00:46:30,440
huge fight in April against Ryan Garcia. Then he spent a few months,

737
00:46:30,679 --> 00:46:36,280
you know, in jail courtesy of
the Baltimore folks, and now it's been

738
00:46:36,320 --> 00:46:38,199
obviously several months since he's been out
and you know, be ready to get

739
00:46:38,239 --> 00:46:40,199
back in the ring. So yeah, I guess that's it's not out of

740
00:46:40,239 --> 00:46:44,280
the realm of possibility. I've not
heard that specifically. I also know there

741
00:46:44,320 --> 00:46:46,440
are a few fights that are sitting
around the PBC was trying to do or

742
00:46:46,440 --> 00:46:49,880
hoping to do, that aren't going
to get done for this year. Like,

743
00:46:50,239 --> 00:46:53,840
for example, we talked about the
possibility of a Lara versus Danny Garcia,

744
00:46:53,880 --> 00:46:59,039
the possibility of a Montas Stanionis against
Keith Thurman, those are just two

745
00:46:59,079 --> 00:47:02,119
of those type of fights. If
it was a Davis fight, that wouldn't

746
00:47:02,119 --> 00:47:06,639
be a surprise. There's been a
heavy speculation that his next opponent will probably

747
00:47:06,679 --> 00:47:09,480
be a rematch against Isaac Pitbull Cruz, and maybe that will happen. And

748
00:47:09,559 --> 00:47:14,199
by the way, he fought Cruise
in December of twenty twenty one, right

749
00:47:14,280 --> 00:47:17,440
before January. A year later he
fought in January, and interesting, he

750
00:47:17,559 --> 00:47:23,559
also fought Euryoki Scamboa in late December
of twenty nineteen. So it's just for

751
00:47:23,679 --> 00:47:27,039
whatever it's worth, maybe it is, maybe it isn't. I'm just trying

752
00:47:27,039 --> 00:47:29,840
to connect dots. Who knows,
who knows on that one, and we'll

753
00:47:29,840 --> 00:47:32,239
see what else they have there.
By the way, while we're just on

754
00:47:32,360 --> 00:47:37,639
the subject, showtime and PBC and
the pay per view for David Benavidez and

755
00:47:37,679 --> 00:47:43,360
Demetris Andred it has now been officially
rolled out and the full pay per view

756
00:47:44,000 --> 00:47:47,760
undercard has been finalized. Anything else
there of note, Well, they heard

757
00:47:47,840 --> 00:47:51,320
him up there, he announced the
pay per view fights. What they did

758
00:47:51,559 --> 00:47:53,960
earlier this week was they announced the
rest of the card of the non pay

759
00:47:54,000 --> 00:47:57,639
per view fights, and of course, for most people, that means what

760
00:47:57,719 --> 00:48:00,760
are the fights that they show,
Which has become sort of the standard way

761
00:48:00,800 --> 00:48:04,280
that Showtime and PBC have done things, is that there's the pay per view

762
00:48:04,760 --> 00:48:07,880
that starts with you know and has
usually four fights, you know, three

763
00:48:07,920 --> 00:48:10,559
plus the main event, and they'll
usually do certain number of fights, usually

764
00:48:10,599 --> 00:48:15,639
two, maybe sometimes three. They'll
do it where they show them as as

765
00:48:15,039 --> 00:48:19,280
on a free platform to sort of
help lure people to buy the pay per

766
00:48:19,320 --> 00:48:21,800
view. They put them on their
Facebook page, they put them on on

767
00:48:22,239 --> 00:48:25,480
their YouTube channel. So they're usually
prospect related fights. But the fights that

768
00:48:25,559 --> 00:48:30,320
have going on for this one are
fights that I could see being on television,

769
00:48:30,400 --> 00:48:32,320
like on an undercard. Like they're
not pretty decent matchups. So one

770
00:48:32,360 --> 00:48:37,480
of them is a fight I reported
about a while ago that was not going

771
00:48:37,519 --> 00:48:38,760
to be on the pay per vot
I report it is on the card is

772
00:48:38,800 --> 00:48:44,679
Sergey Lippinet's the former IBF one hundred
and forty pound champion, against Michelle Rivera,

773
00:48:44,960 --> 00:48:47,199
a lightweight who was coming off the
loss to Frank Martin and a positive

774
00:48:47,280 --> 00:48:51,920
drug test, but he's moving up
in weight. So lipinik lipinets against Rivera

775
00:48:52,079 --> 00:48:54,039
on you know, trying to come
back from the loss that's one of those

776
00:48:54,079 --> 00:48:58,320
fights on the YouTube channel. That's
actually like a solid preliminary, Like I

777
00:48:58,360 --> 00:49:00,840
would watch that for sure. That
look, it's like a pretty good fight.

778
00:49:00,119 --> 00:49:02,360
And then the other fight that they're
gonna have on that part of the

779
00:49:02,400 --> 00:49:06,039
card, which is the second of
the two fights, I guess that's the

780
00:49:06,119 --> 00:49:07,440
first of the two lippin it so
will be the second fight on the in

781
00:49:07,559 --> 00:49:13,000
terms of the chronological order, but
they have that the junior middleweight up and

782
00:49:13,039 --> 00:49:15,480
comer of Vito mil Nikki, only
a twenty one year old kid fifteen and

783
00:49:15,599 --> 00:49:20,159
one, and he's taken on Alexis
Salazar, who's kind of battle test at

784
00:49:20,159 --> 00:49:22,920
twenty five and five as a loss
as Andrews eyes. But that's a solid

785
00:49:22,000 --> 00:49:27,039
matchup also for that level of the
show. So anybody who's either buying the

786
00:49:27,079 --> 00:49:29,159
pay per view or not buying the
pay per view, you can watch those

787
00:49:29,199 --> 00:49:31,039
two fights for a free So that's
a good thing. That is a good

788
00:49:31,079 --> 00:49:35,559
thing, all right, free fights. We like that. We always like

789
00:49:35,679 --> 00:49:38,840
that. Okay, speaking of fights
we do, we can go over the

790
00:49:38,920 --> 00:49:44,079
Jamel hearing Win. We heard from
him last week on the preview podcast that

791
00:49:44,199 --> 00:49:47,480
he was making his return. Former
world champion after an eighteen month layoff retirement,

792
00:49:49,199 --> 00:49:52,039
he fought an up and comer in
Nick Molina and demolished him in one

793
00:49:52,199 --> 00:49:58,639
round in the Broadway Boxing Heroes on
the Hudson card for obviously the fact that

794
00:49:59,039 --> 00:50:02,119
Herring is a marine. It's a
Veterans Day weekend this weekend in the United

795
00:50:02,159 --> 00:50:06,159
States, so this was earlier in
the week. But he wiped Molina out

796
00:50:06,559 --> 00:50:10,199
inside of a couple of minutes in
this fight. So I fought or two

797
00:50:10,199 --> 00:50:14,000
from you, Dan Rayfield before we
moved to nostalgia. Well, listen,

798
00:50:14,039 --> 00:50:15,119
I mean happy for Jamel. He's
a good guy. I think, as

799
00:50:15,199 --> 00:50:17,440
we've talked about leading up to the
fight, there's I don't I've never been

800
00:50:17,440 --> 00:50:22,000
anybody among the other boxers, writers, promoters like everybody likes Jammel Herring.

801
00:50:22,800 --> 00:50:25,400
You know, there was a reason
why he was selected as the captain of

802
00:50:25,440 --> 00:50:30,480
the United States Olympic team, because
all of his teammates respected him and liked

803
00:50:30,559 --> 00:50:32,199
him. And you know, he'd
been out for eighteen months. He had

804
00:50:32,320 --> 00:50:36,599
taken two losses in a row,
a pretty one sided ass kicking in a

805
00:50:36,639 --> 00:50:39,119
knockout loss against of course Stevenson that
cost him his belt at one hundred and

806
00:50:39,119 --> 00:50:45,559
thirty pounds. Then he fought a
lightweight fight and lost that decision, you

807
00:50:45,639 --> 00:50:46,760
know, and then you know,
that was a fight against Jermaine Artist,

808
00:50:46,760 --> 00:50:51,280
who has emerged, you know,
with a close loss for Lamachenko. Anyway,

809
00:50:51,519 --> 00:50:52,760
Jamel retired and he was out of
the ring for eighteen months. He'd

810
00:50:52,760 --> 00:50:55,639
been doing some commentating for some of
the top rank cards. You know,

811
00:50:55,679 --> 00:50:59,639
their internationals are some of those early
morning shows that we see when they do

812
00:50:59,719 --> 00:51:02,320
events from Japan and that sort of
thing. But he, uh, he

813
00:51:02,400 --> 00:51:06,000
decided to make a comeback. He's
thirty eight years old, see if he

814
00:51:06,000 --> 00:51:08,159
can make another go. He's now
being trained by Wayne McCullough. Uh,

815
00:51:08,320 --> 00:51:13,239
the former Banham Way champion and Irish
Olympian. Uh. You know, would

816
00:51:13,480 --> 00:51:15,000
you know was one of the most
fun fighters to watch in his in his

817
00:51:15,119 --> 00:51:19,400
day back in the saying like the
nineties into the early two thousands, any

818
00:51:19,400 --> 00:51:22,559
event, the match they didn't right
match Jamel soft, I mean, and

819
00:51:22,599 --> 00:51:24,519
Jamel is not known as being a
big puncher. He's now twenty four and

820
00:51:24,599 --> 00:51:28,880
two with only twelve knockouts, so
a fifty percent ko ratio. His opponent,

821
00:51:28,960 --> 00:51:32,400
Nick Molina, was thirteen and one
thirteen and oh with five knockouts for

822
00:51:32,519 --> 00:51:36,840
a Broadway boxing show on a Tuesday
night. That seemed like a halfway reasonable

823
00:51:36,880 --> 00:51:39,119
matchup. So even if you figured, okay, let's see what Jamel has,

824
00:51:39,199 --> 00:51:43,480
but you figure he's gonna win just
based on his you know, muscle

825
00:51:43,519 --> 00:51:45,719
memory, if you will. I
don't think anybody would have expected Jamel Herring

826
00:51:45,760 --> 00:51:49,480
to get a first round knockout.
And he dropped the guy twice and got

827
00:51:49,480 --> 00:51:52,639
the knockout, So he's he's quote
unquote back. He talked about after the

828
00:51:52,679 --> 00:51:57,719
match in his post fight interview about
you know, having interest of maybe going

829
00:51:57,800 --> 00:52:00,519
overseas to the UK to fight one
of the names over there. Lee would

830
00:52:00,599 --> 00:52:02,480
or you know somebody of that ILK
and Josh Warrington, somebody at one thirty.

831
00:52:02,960 --> 00:52:05,800
Uh, well, see if he
can land that kind of fight.

832
00:52:05,880 --> 00:52:07,119
But uh, I was listen,
I'm happy for him. Like I said,

833
00:52:07,199 --> 00:52:10,079
Jamel is a really likable guy and
not good for him. And by

834
00:52:10,159 --> 00:52:14,559
the way, he revealed something to
us and it's pertinent for Shakour's title fight

835
00:52:14,719 --> 00:52:16,320
next week. He told us in
the podcast. He may have told others,

836
00:52:16,360 --> 00:52:19,119
but hey, we're going to take
credit for it because he told us

837
00:52:19,119 --> 00:52:22,480
in the podcast that we ran here
he sparred some with Shakur Stevenson in this

838
00:52:22,639 --> 00:52:28,079
training camp for Shakur leading up after
they fought each other. So Shakur called

839
00:52:28,159 --> 00:52:30,719
him up and said, Hey,
I want to go over some stuff again

840
00:52:30,840 --> 00:52:34,280
with you. I enjoyed battling you
and fighting you for real with the lights

841
00:52:34,280 --> 00:52:36,960
were on and the big money and
the title. So that's just kind of

842
00:52:37,000 --> 00:52:39,960
interesting that he was he was part
of that. And uh, Jammel again,

843
00:52:40,039 --> 00:52:44,559
Jammel is as personable as anybody that
we can deal with. We can't

844
00:52:44,559 --> 00:52:46,599
say that enough, by the way, is because like you said, he

845
00:52:46,960 --> 00:52:50,679
likes and respects Jamel. But more
importantly, you know, he's preparing for

846
00:52:50,920 --> 00:52:52,639
for deal Los Santos, who was
a left handed fighter, and Jammel is

847
00:52:52,639 --> 00:52:55,840
also a south bass. So it
was good good sparring and good training for

848
00:52:57,480 --> 00:53:00,079
for for Shirkur getting ready for his
championship fight for the WBC lightweight tittle.

849
00:53:00,119 --> 00:53:06,159
But was probably also excellent to go
in there with Chiquart for Jamel herring because

850
00:53:06,320 --> 00:53:08,039
no matter who he is fighting Nick
Moline or whoever, it wasn't me any

851
00:53:08,079 --> 00:53:12,280
better than chickquar So he got probably
pretty good work coding. You know,

852
00:53:12,599 --> 00:53:15,360
you have that kind of sparring,
it's not as tough when you're in the

853
00:53:15,400 --> 00:53:19,000
real fight. It's productive for both. I like that, right, speaking

854
00:53:19,039 --> 00:53:22,159
of productive for both, nostalgia always
seems to be that, let's go.

855
00:53:22,079 --> 00:53:29,719
Let's start first with Sergei Kovalev becoming
the unified light heavyweight champion. So this

856
00:53:29,920 --> 00:53:34,320
was nine years ago, twenty fourteen
on Wednesday. You were ringside for this.

857
00:53:34,519 --> 00:53:37,599
What are the memories in the nostalgia
of this light heavyweight title fight?

858
00:53:37,719 --> 00:53:39,840
Well, like you said, I
was ringside for that fight in the Atlantic

859
00:53:39,920 --> 00:53:43,880
City and Borderwalk Call, And if
my memory serves by the way, you

860
00:53:43,960 --> 00:53:45,599
know, I have covered numerous fights
at Boardwalk Call. I think this is

861
00:53:45,679 --> 00:53:49,800
like the last time there was like
a really significant fight in the in the

862
00:53:49,880 --> 00:53:52,079
main arena at Borderwal Call, which
just tells you how long ago it was.

863
00:53:52,159 --> 00:53:53,320
Nine years ago. You know,
I used to go to Lantic City

864
00:53:53,320 --> 00:53:57,599
pretty much like every month or every
couple of months, and it's been fewer

865
00:53:57,599 --> 00:54:00,679
and far between. I've covered some
shows there since then that we're and smaller

866
00:54:00,039 --> 00:54:04,199
casinos and smaller venues and that sort
of thing. But you know, Boardwalk

867
00:54:04,239 --> 00:54:07,320
Hall was the home for a lot
of big fights, you know, including

868
00:54:07,639 --> 00:54:10,280
you know, several Bernard Hopkins fights, his his great victories against Kelly Pavlick

869
00:54:10,719 --> 00:54:15,320
and against Antonio Tarbar were there,
but that old magic was not there when

870
00:54:15,320 --> 00:54:17,639
he fought against Kovialev. Remember Bernard
at that time, he was forty nine

871
00:54:17,679 --> 00:54:21,079
years old, but he was still
going along the old man river. He

872
00:54:21,280 --> 00:54:23,480
was, you know, had the
guile, had the experience, had the

873
00:54:23,559 --> 00:54:30,239
defense, had you know, the
mental advantage over most of his opponents,

874
00:54:30,280 --> 00:54:32,800
a way he could play with their
minds. And you know a lot of

875
00:54:32,800 --> 00:54:36,719
people thought he was gonna be coval
Lev because Covialev was this killer, this

876
00:54:37,079 --> 00:54:42,360
knockout machine. Who had you know, Bernard had. He had unified the

877
00:54:42,480 --> 00:54:46,360
titles, the WBA and the IBF
titles, and in that moment against Schumanov,

878
00:54:46,480 --> 00:54:50,280
he had become He had already set
the record for being the oldest champion.

879
00:54:50,320 --> 00:54:52,599
He had set a bunch of records
age related. When he defeated Schumanov,

880
00:54:52,639 --> 00:54:57,360
he became the oldest fighter to unified
titles. Meanwhile, he had Kovalev,

881
00:54:57,400 --> 00:55:00,079
who was knocking everybody out. He
had gone overseas, he had on

882
00:55:00,199 --> 00:55:04,320
his title by devastation against Nathan Cleverly. He had defended it a few times

883
00:55:04,840 --> 00:55:07,719
and uh, and they were both
on HBO. They made the match.

884
00:55:07,519 --> 00:55:10,440
And even though Covilev was the young
guy, the strong guy, the powerful,

885
00:55:10,639 --> 00:55:14,239
big giant knockout puncher, a lot
of people were giving Bernard a really

886
00:55:14,280 --> 00:55:16,760
good chance to out box him with
the skills and the and the smarts and

887
00:55:16,800 --> 00:55:21,800
all that. And even those who
thought covil would win thought, Okay,

888
00:55:21,920 --> 00:55:23,519
you know, Bernard's always had a
good chin. Bernard's been you know,

889
00:55:24,039 --> 00:55:28,280
very solid defensively, like even if
he loses, you know, this fight's

890
00:55:28,320 --> 00:55:32,239
gonna it's gonna be competitive at least
at times. And co V dropped him

891
00:55:32,239 --> 00:55:36,079
in the first round. You know, Bernard had only been knocked down and

892
00:55:36,280 --> 00:55:37,800
you know, Bernard had a total
of like almost seventy fights, I want

893
00:55:37,840 --> 00:55:39,800
to say, off the top of
my head. You know, he's got

894
00:55:39,920 --> 00:55:43,599
knocked down a few times, but
nothing like you thought he had a bad

895
00:55:43,639 --> 00:55:46,480
chin or anything like that. But
he got dropped in round one and Covialev

896
00:55:46,559 --> 00:55:50,159
basically beat him up for twelve rounds. He did, he did go the

897
00:55:50,239 --> 00:55:55,519
distance, but at the end,
UH Covidev won that fight a shutout one

898
00:55:55,760 --> 00:55:59,840
seven on two scorecards, one twenty
to one. Oh six on the third

899
00:56:00,000 --> 00:56:02,280
work hard hard to argue with any
of those, and uh, you know,

900
00:56:02,360 --> 00:56:06,000
he became the three belt unified champion. This is covid lev you know,

901
00:56:06,480 --> 00:56:08,760
who still had several more fights that
he was knocking everybody out before he

902
00:56:09,159 --> 00:56:12,920
you know, met his waterloo if
you will, against Andre Ward in a

903
00:56:13,000 --> 00:56:15,000
first fight which I thought he won
even though he didn't get the decision.

904
00:56:16,440 --> 00:56:20,480
And for Bernard, you know,
it wasn't his last fight of his career,

905
00:56:20,519 --> 00:56:22,239
but it was basically the end of
his career because he then was off

906
00:56:22,320 --> 00:56:27,840
for about two years or whatever it
was before he made the return against Joe

907
00:56:27,880 --> 00:56:30,159
Smith and got knocked out of the
ring in the fight that we've told the

908
00:56:30,199 --> 00:56:34,679
story about how I helped make that
fight. But the Covid Left fight was

909
00:56:34,719 --> 00:56:37,079
a big event for Atlantic City.
It was a big event for boxing,

910
00:56:37,480 --> 00:56:40,199
big event for the light heavyweight division, and uh, you know, it

911
00:56:40,280 --> 00:56:44,519
was sort of the end of the
championship road for for Bernard Hopkins, who

912
00:56:44,639 --> 00:56:47,559
you know, goes down as one
of the great champions in boxing history in

913
00:56:47,639 --> 00:56:51,519
the middleweight division for sure, and
then had you know, some very big

914
00:56:51,599 --> 00:56:54,199
wins in the light heavyweight division also, and h and ultimately, you know,

915
00:56:54,360 --> 00:56:58,119
retired after that Joe Smith fight.
Kval Lev, like I said,

916
00:56:58,159 --> 00:57:00,239
had a really good ring. I
mean, you can say which one about

917
00:57:00,280 --> 00:57:04,840
coval Lev in terms of those losses
he took against andre Ward. But he

918
00:57:04,960 --> 00:57:07,199
does have a case to be made
that you know, and when he gets

919
00:57:07,239 --> 00:57:08,639
on the Hall of Fame ballot,
I'll really study it more. But I

920
00:57:08,719 --> 00:57:13,599
definitely think that he's he's done enough
in the eyes of many that he should

921
00:57:13,599 --> 00:57:15,880
be a Hall of Famer, if
not, at the very worst, he's

922
00:57:15,880 --> 00:57:19,239
a borderline Hall of Famer, certainly
good enough to make the ballot, and

923
00:57:19,440 --> 00:57:22,679
if he does, this is one
of those signature victories of his career because

924
00:57:22,880 --> 00:57:27,480
anybody that beat Bernard Hopkins. You
know, even when Roy Jones beat obviously

925
00:57:27,639 --> 00:57:30,679
much much younger Bernard Hopkins, he
didn't win twelfth to nothing. You know,

926
00:57:30,760 --> 00:57:35,679
he won eight to four. This
was as comprehensive a one sided ass

927
00:57:35,760 --> 00:57:38,320
kicking as you could get without scoring
a knockout. He did get the knockout,

928
00:57:38,360 --> 00:57:42,840
but not the knockout, and so
that was a pretty big deal.

929
00:57:43,119 --> 00:57:45,880
And you know, Coviallev had that
big, big name on his record that

930
00:57:45,920 --> 00:57:50,719
he needed to help set him up
for a future Business. Continuing on the

931
00:57:50,800 --> 00:57:54,519
nostalgia timeline, you were also ringside
as we released the podcast Thursday into Friday

932
00:57:54,639 --> 00:58:00,880
here sixteen years ago Friday, November
tenth, two thousand and seven, Miguel

933
00:58:00,000 --> 00:58:05,840
Coto defeats Sugar Shane Mosley. You
were there for that one as well.

934
00:58:06,800 --> 00:58:08,000
I want something from you on this
one. Also, what do you got

935
00:58:09,000 --> 00:58:14,440
Well? When Miguel Coto fought at
Madison Square Garden, it became an event,

936
00:58:14,960 --> 00:58:16,760
and he had a lot of fights
at Madison Square Garden and I covered

937
00:58:17,280 --> 00:58:20,519
all but two of them. And
the reasons I didn't cover those other two

938
00:58:20,599 --> 00:58:22,119
was because I was at other fights
on those nights. One of them was

939
00:58:22,159 --> 00:58:25,360
Bernard Hopkins against Antonio Tarver. One
of them that I missed was because I

940
00:58:25,440 --> 00:58:30,320
was at Iron Mike Tyson against Kevin
McBride. But I was certainly at the

941
00:58:30,360 --> 00:58:34,079
Miguel Coto Shane Moseley fight. And
for all those fights of Miguel's I covered

942
00:58:34,079 --> 00:58:37,199
at Madison Square Garden, this was
one of the most electric crowds you could

943
00:58:37,199 --> 00:58:39,599
ask for. And when I think
about all those fights I covered of Miguel's

944
00:58:39,599 --> 00:58:43,599
at the Garden, the three that
popped in my mind in terms of this,

945
00:58:43,719 --> 00:58:47,039
the excitement level and the anticipation,
Sugar Shane Mosley being one of them,

946
00:58:47,559 --> 00:58:52,159
the rematch against Antonio Margarito being another, and probably the great matchup we

947
00:58:52,199 --> 00:58:55,440
had with Zab Judah. But when
he fought Moseley and Judah, if I

948
00:58:55,519 --> 00:58:59,719
remember correctly, they were back to
back fights, this was Miguel Coto at

949
00:58:59,719 --> 00:59:04,639
his absolute best. And Miguel Coto
had his absolute best, was a tremendous

950
00:59:04,679 --> 00:59:07,400
fighter, a pound for pound level
skill, a pound for pound guy,

951
00:59:07,760 --> 00:59:10,440
huge popularity, exciting fights. And
even though Sugar Shane Mosey was maybe not

952
00:59:10,519 --> 00:59:14,760
at his absolute best of his career
at that time, he was still pretty

953
00:59:14,800 --> 00:59:16,599
freaking good when he fought Miguel Coto, and he gave him a tough fight

954
00:59:16,679 --> 00:59:20,000
that night. It was not like, you know, Miguel co didn't walk

955
00:59:20,039 --> 00:59:24,239
over the guy. This was a
very solid and tough fight and it was

956
00:59:24,280 --> 00:59:28,440
a very exciting fight, nip and
tuck all the way. And you know,

957
00:59:29,199 --> 00:59:31,360
Coto did get to win and he
deserved it, but he was made

958
00:59:31,400 --> 00:59:36,440
to work that night in a big
way. Crowd going crazy, I mean,

959
00:59:36,599 --> 00:59:37,480
that was the great thing about it. Even if the fight stunk,

960
00:59:37,519 --> 00:59:42,880
the crowd for a Codo fight was
just phenomenal. It was a truly tremendous

961
00:59:42,920 --> 00:59:45,679
fight. And you know it does
it does it rank up there with the

962
00:59:45,079 --> 00:59:49,719
you know, the Miguel tour or
the Ricardo Torres Fight of the Year shootout

963
00:59:49,760 --> 00:59:53,039
fight, or you know the Margarito
rematch that was such a dramatic thing because

964
00:59:53,079 --> 00:59:55,679
of he was going for the revenge
of the knockout, or you know,

965
00:59:55,800 --> 01:00:00,559
the the anticipation when Miguel fought and
lost in that great battle with Nanny Packap.

966
01:00:01,000 --> 01:00:04,480
I don't know about that, but
this is a first class fight.

967
01:00:04,559 --> 01:00:06,599
It's one of those sort of under
the radar kind of fights. Again,

968
01:00:06,599 --> 01:00:08,639
you didn't see it like you should
do yourself a favor and go back because

969
01:00:08,679 --> 01:00:12,599
you had two Hall of famers because
now they're both in the Hall of Fame

970
01:00:13,679 --> 01:00:15,480
going at it for in a world
title fight, you know, with an

971
01:00:15,559 --> 01:00:21,320
incredible crowd. And as I've always
said, one of the great thrills of

972
01:00:21,440 --> 01:00:23,760
my time of covering boxing is to
be able to have bit a ringside for

973
01:00:24,960 --> 01:00:28,800
so many great fights and so many
great fighters, and when you see two

974
01:00:28,800 --> 01:00:30,960
of them against each other, that
makes it more special. And being honest,

975
01:00:31,039 --> 01:00:34,599
Koto and mostly We're always two of
my favorite guys to talk to and

976
01:00:34,679 --> 01:00:38,239
to interview and to cover and to
be around. I always had like like

977
01:00:38,280 --> 01:00:42,079
missed emotions that like like I never
really rooted at fights. Like people can

978
01:00:42,119 --> 01:00:44,239
say what they want, but I
always played it straight. I mean,

979
01:00:44,320 --> 01:00:45,199
in your heart, you might have
an idea who you want to win,

980
01:00:45,599 --> 01:00:47,480
but you know whatever's going to be
is going to be. You kind of

981
01:00:47,519 --> 01:00:51,679
learned that when you start doing this
gig. That was a night Tho where

982
01:00:51,679 --> 01:00:53,679
he had sort of like mixed emotions
because you love both guys so much and

983
01:00:53,800 --> 01:00:57,519
you respect both guys so much,
and you want to see both guys do

984
01:00:57,800 --> 01:01:00,519
very well, but there's one winner, and on that night it was the

985
01:01:00,599 --> 01:01:06,079
younger, fresher, more explosive Miguel
Coto and who you know. And the

986
01:01:06,119 --> 01:01:08,159
thing about it, cHj, was
when you went into that fight, you

987
01:01:08,239 --> 01:01:12,440
were thinking to yourself, if Miguel's
gonna win the fight, it's probably gonna

988
01:01:12,440 --> 01:01:14,800
really have to put it on Shane
and maybe get a knockout. You know,

989
01:01:14,920 --> 01:01:15,760
Shane was going to have such a
great chin, and that Shane,

990
01:01:15,840 --> 01:01:20,159
even that at being older, still
had you know, a lot of speed

991
01:01:20,519 --> 01:01:22,679
and reflexes. But on that night. It was Miguel that that would had

992
01:01:22,719 --> 01:01:25,679
the little bit more to get the
job done. And in the speed department,

993
01:01:25,760 --> 01:01:30,119
in the in the aggression department,
and all the things that checked the

994
01:01:30,159 --> 01:01:31,920
boxes, he just did a great
job. I still say, if you

995
01:01:32,000 --> 01:01:37,199
take a look at Miguel's entire career
in terms of the best win he ever

996
01:01:37,320 --> 01:01:39,440
had, I think it's the Shane
Moseley fight. Some people might say it

997
01:01:39,519 --> 01:01:43,880
was the Juda fight. Some might
say it was the vengeance against Margarito,

998
01:01:45,039 --> 01:01:47,199
some might say it was walking through
the fire to get the knockout against Torres

999
01:01:49,159 --> 01:01:52,800
as a young champion. But for
my money, Miguel Coto, if you

1000
01:01:52,840 --> 01:01:54,679
were drawn like the line graph of
when you reach your peak and the ups

1001
01:01:54,719 --> 01:01:58,639
and the downs, the high point
of Miguel's career in terms of as a

1002
01:01:58,960 --> 01:02:02,079
as an overall package as a professional
prize fighter, was the night he beat

1003
01:02:02,119 --> 01:02:06,960
Sugarshae Mosley. This's why we love
you for the nostalgia, and we can't

1004
01:02:06,960 --> 01:02:12,119
get out of here without making mentioned
forty years ago, Rayphiel, forty years

1005
01:02:12,159 --> 01:02:16,280
ago, Friday Marvelous, Marvin Hagler, Roberto Duran, one of the mini

1006
01:02:16,360 --> 01:02:21,679
fights of the Four Kings series,
this one probably in the power rankings,

1007
01:02:21,719 --> 01:02:25,320
though down near the bottom in terms
of action drama. Hagler got the win.

1008
01:02:25,440 --> 01:02:30,519
It would eventually set into motion Marvin
getting to fight Thomas. Hearns.

1009
01:02:30,480 --> 01:02:34,320
I do think it's interesting too.
A lot of people believe when you go

1010
01:02:34,400 --> 01:02:37,480
back and look, it's a long
fight, it's a fifteen round fight that

1011
01:02:37,639 --> 01:02:40,320
Duran won a lot of rounds off
Hagler. Hagler's fights were tough to score

1012
01:02:40,719 --> 01:02:44,800
for him or for the opponent a
lot of the time, so Hagler got

1013
01:02:44,840 --> 01:02:49,159
the decision. I do remember al
Bernstein, I think I'm going to go

1014
01:02:49,280 --> 01:02:53,079
ninety eight percent that al Bernstein told
us he was on the pay perview as

1015
01:02:53,119 --> 01:02:57,440
an analyst for the first time ever
for a pay perview on this fight,

1016
01:02:57,800 --> 01:03:00,559
and he said he had Duran win
the fight late into the fight, and

1017
01:03:00,679 --> 01:03:04,639
Hagler won the last couple of rounds
on his card to give it to him.

1018
01:03:04,840 --> 01:03:07,440
So, anyway, give me some
nostalgia from what we remember back in

1019
01:03:07,599 --> 01:03:13,199
our youth, back forty forty years
ago. Look, this might happened.

1020
01:03:14,119 --> 01:03:15,480
I can still remember, like you
know, seeing it on the cover of

1021
01:03:15,559 --> 01:03:20,280
Sports Sports others. Right after this
fact, I was thirteen years old.

1022
01:03:20,559 --> 01:03:22,440
I was in my early days as
a boxing fan, but not a diehard

1023
01:03:22,480 --> 01:03:25,800
boxing man. But certainly when you
had the big names. You know,

1024
01:03:27,039 --> 01:03:30,400
at that time, you're talking about
the Four Kings, Hagler, Leonard Duran,

1025
01:03:30,840 --> 01:03:34,480
and uh obviously Marvin Hagler fighting,
it made news you were, you

1026
01:03:34,559 --> 01:03:37,800
were cognizant of it because it was
on the local news. You'd see it

1027
01:03:37,840 --> 01:03:40,199
in the newspaper if you looked at
the paper, you'd see it on the

1028
01:03:40,599 --> 01:03:43,880
on the sports magazine covers, if
you know. I used to go,

1029
01:03:44,280 --> 01:03:46,199
like you'd be like a weekend,
like a Saturday afternoon, I would tag

1030
01:03:46,280 --> 01:03:49,760
along with my mom to the grocery
store. She do like the jopping for

1031
01:03:49,800 --> 01:03:52,760
the week for the family, and
I would go to the magazine section.

1032
01:03:52,800 --> 01:03:55,760
I would I would leave through the
In our youth, we were never helping

1033
01:03:55,840 --> 01:04:00,159
pick out the food. We were
going to read the magazines exactly, looking

1034
01:04:00,199 --> 01:04:02,280
at like Sports Illustrated, I'm looking
at the wrestling bags, the boxing bags,

1035
01:04:02,719 --> 01:04:04,960
and so you know, anytime you
see the boxing magazines, I always

1036
01:04:04,960 --> 01:04:09,719
see Haggler or Duran or some former
fashion of a picture of them on the

1037
01:04:09,800 --> 01:04:13,039
cover. So that's what this era
was. And uh, you know,

1038
01:04:13,239 --> 01:04:15,719
you mentioned that it was maybe if
you took a new account the nine fights

1039
01:04:15,800 --> 01:04:19,000
that occurred between the four kings,
and you were ranking them in like the

1040
01:04:19,079 --> 01:04:23,000
power rankings, and from the best
fight of the batch, which of course

1041
01:04:23,079 --> 01:04:29,280
is probably most people would say would
be either Hagler Hearns or probably Leonard Hearns

1042
01:04:29,360 --> 01:04:32,639
one that that Hagler versus Duran might
be at the lower echelon of that.

1043
01:04:33,000 --> 01:04:35,840
And I have to tell you I
always sort of thought that, and I

1044
01:04:35,880 --> 01:04:39,639
guess I could have to I'd have
to do my rankings. I were thinking

1045
01:04:39,679 --> 01:04:45,199
about it. Certainly number nine the
worst of the batch was Duran. Horrible

1046
01:04:45,280 --> 01:04:49,760
fight. But but I actually not
that long ago, like in the last

1047
01:04:50,000 --> 01:04:56,239
week or two, I went back
and I watched Hagler against Duran. It's

1048
01:04:56,280 --> 01:05:00,280
a much better fight than my my
recollections had been. Like, it's not

1049
01:05:00,679 --> 01:05:03,480
super explosive action, but there's a
lot of subtle skills and a lot of

1050
01:05:03,519 --> 01:05:06,840
back and forth between these guys.
It was a really close fight. Remember,

1051
01:05:08,960 --> 01:05:13,880
Roberto Duran had made like a career
comeback, if you will. He

1052
01:05:14,039 --> 01:05:16,079
was, you know, he had
lost like to Benitez. He had been

1053
01:05:16,199 --> 01:05:19,960
upset by Kirkland Lane and he had
gone on like a kind of a tour

1054
01:05:20,000 --> 01:05:25,360
where he've got a two wins in
a row, didn't really look spectacular,

1055
01:05:25,360 --> 01:05:29,360
although he did stop the Pinoquavis.
Now he gets the opportunity in nineteen eighty

1056
01:05:29,480 --> 01:05:31,960
three, this is a few months
before he fought Hagler, he gets the

1057
01:05:32,039 --> 01:05:36,119
opportunity to fight Davey Moore for the
WBA one hundred and fifty four pound title.

1058
01:05:36,280 --> 01:05:40,039
Now, we've been on this show
plenty of times talking about the atmospheres

1059
01:05:40,320 --> 01:05:44,159
at Madison Square Garden that I had
been fortunate to be in, and those

1060
01:05:44,199 --> 01:05:48,119
are fights that involved people like Miguel
Coto, Felix Trinidad, and especially for

1061
01:05:48,199 --> 01:05:51,800
the Trinidad fights, the crowds are
just it's just incredible. Like I can

1062
01:05:51,840 --> 01:05:56,440
still sort of hear the noises in
my mind's eye. But if you talk

1063
01:05:56,480 --> 01:05:59,719
to people that were around at the
time in the in the early eighties for

1064
01:06:00,039 --> 01:06:02,679
the fight between Roberto Durant and Davey
Moore, they'll tell you that as great

1065
01:06:02,679 --> 01:06:08,199
as those atmospheres were for Trinidad,
that the atmosphere for win Davey Moore fought

1066
01:06:08,360 --> 01:06:11,960
Roberto duran because Durant was such a
hero that it was on that same level,

1067
01:06:12,000 --> 01:06:15,599
if not greater, and so he
knocks out Davey Moore to win the

1068
01:06:15,719 --> 01:06:19,360
title and kind of have a rebirth
in his career. And off of that

1069
01:06:19,599 --> 01:06:24,280
fight, he gets the opportunity to
go up and wait to challenge Hagler,

1070
01:06:24,280 --> 01:06:28,880
who was the undisputed champion, and
he acquitted himself in a fight where he

1071
01:06:29,039 --> 01:06:32,519
was not, in any way,
shape or form the favorite to win incredibly

1072
01:06:32,559 --> 01:06:35,159
well, I mean he was not. He was a four to one underdog

1073
01:06:35,639 --> 01:06:40,480
in that fight, which is pretty
big by boxing standards, and so people

1074
01:06:40,559 --> 01:06:44,440
expected Hagler to win pretty easily,
even though they were both great names.

1075
01:06:44,639 --> 01:06:47,039
And if you ask Marvin Hagler or
anybody that watched that fight, and like

1076
01:06:47,159 --> 01:06:53,159
you said, with lots of folks
that watched that fight, yeah maybe they

1077
01:06:53,199 --> 01:06:56,519
thought Hagler won. But this was
a tough, tough, close, hard

1078
01:06:56,639 --> 01:07:00,800
fought fight and absolutely I'm thrilled that
it happened because it gave you that you

1079
01:07:00,840 --> 01:07:03,519
know, we got to see all
the One of one of the magical things

1080
01:07:03,519 --> 01:07:09,039
about Hagler, Leonard Durant, and
Hearns is that they all fought each other.

1081
01:07:09,119 --> 01:07:12,480
There was no fight of the of
those four men that did not occur,

1082
01:07:13,400 --> 01:07:15,320
Like I always complained to this day
that we never got to see Eric

1083
01:07:15,440 --> 01:07:21,480
Morales fight Juan Danuel Marquez when you
talk about the force of Pacio and Morales

1084
01:07:21,559 --> 01:07:26,199
and Marquez and Barrera. But so
these guys did fight. And Hagler,

1085
01:07:26,480 --> 01:07:29,000
you know, he got one of
his toughest fights of his career in that

1086
01:07:29,119 --> 01:07:32,800
in that fight against Roberto Durant,
who eventually did go up and and uh

1087
01:07:33,480 --> 01:07:38,199
and and win win the title when
he defeated Iran Barkley in a huge upset

1088
01:07:38,239 --> 01:07:42,039
you know, three four years later
after that, right, So just just

1089
01:07:42,119 --> 01:07:45,039
a tremendous battle, I mean,
uh, just a classic fight between two

1090
01:07:45,079 --> 01:07:47,719
of the all time greatest fighters to
ever put their gloves on. They did

1091
01:07:47,760 --> 01:07:50,840
it, and the you know,
the the quintessential location of fights of that

1092
01:07:50,920 --> 01:07:56,360
era, the outdoor temporary arena at
Caesar's Palace, which they you know,

1093
01:07:56,480 --> 01:08:00,519
pretty much filled up. I think
it was around fifteen thousand, three pay

1094
01:08:00,559 --> 01:08:02,840
per view days, mostly close circuit, you know, which al Bernstein was

1095
01:08:02,880 --> 01:08:06,039
on that call. HBO of course
was there and had a call of the

1096
01:08:06,039 --> 01:08:10,679
fight, which they showed on delay
a week later with the team that we've

1097
01:08:10,719 --> 01:08:15,599
come to know, you know of
Barry Tompkins and Sugar Rain Leonard and Larry

1098
01:08:15,639 --> 01:08:20,079
Merchant. But just just just a
great matchup between legends. And like I

1099
01:08:20,159 --> 01:08:24,479
said out in rewatching it, it's
a lot better than I kind of had

1100
01:08:24,560 --> 01:08:27,000
recalled it because I did go back
and rewatch it. It's a good fucking

1101
01:08:27,039 --> 01:08:30,960
fight. And again the Duran legend. You love this with the nostalgia.

1102
01:08:30,479 --> 01:08:33,600
I do have to say this for
the late Davey Moore who died in a

1103
01:08:33,720 --> 01:08:39,439
in a freak accident. Years later. He died while working on an automobile

1104
01:08:39,479 --> 01:08:41,319
Rayfield. I don't know if you
know this or remember this, where the

1105
01:08:41,319 --> 01:08:45,720
automobile was up on the suspended up
above him while he's working on the automobile

1106
01:08:45,760 --> 01:08:49,159
and something happened and catastrophically it fell
on him and killed him. So that

1107
01:08:49,600 --> 01:08:54,079
that happened while he was still in
the prime of life. That night at

1108
01:08:54,119 --> 01:08:58,840
the garden, it was electric.
It was all Duran, et cetera.

1109
01:08:59,039 --> 01:09:02,000
There's one import in peace to that, and that is Duran. Absolutely one

1110
01:09:02,079 --> 01:09:06,720
thousand thumb Davy Moore in the left
eye, causing his left eye to shut,

1111
01:09:08,039 --> 01:09:11,840
and then Duran bombed him with right
hands for about four rounds. After

1112
01:09:11,920 --> 01:09:15,800
that until the fight was finally stopped. Always Duran was always at the line

1113
01:09:15,960 --> 01:09:20,000
or across the line on those different
on those different things and different Let's also

1114
01:09:20,640 --> 01:09:24,600
let's put the we'll put the timing
of the Duran Hagler fight, which,

1115
01:09:24,680 --> 01:09:28,279
as you mentioned talking about this because
it was forty years ago this week.

1116
01:09:28,560 --> 01:09:34,560
In terms of the timeline, this
is Marvin Hagler still after he beat Roberto

1117
01:09:34,640 --> 01:09:38,880
Durant. He's still not it's still
three more fights till he gets to the

1118
01:09:38,920 --> 01:09:43,600
Hearns fight, so we're still striving
for that. Duran would fight Hearns the

1119
01:09:43,680 --> 01:09:45,439
summer of the next year, which
we've talked about on the anniversary, and

1120
01:09:45,880 --> 01:09:49,560
destroyed and destroyed him. So we
actually lost two fights in a row.

1121
01:09:50,119 --> 01:09:55,279
You know, he lost a very
close call against Hagler and then he took

1122
01:09:55,359 --> 01:09:59,439
on Tommy Hearns and got splattered in
the second round with one of the greatest

1123
01:09:59,479 --> 01:10:01,840
right hands in his one more piece
of nostalgia. Then we're almost done here

1124
01:10:02,039 --> 01:10:05,239
with this. If you go back
to the Four Kings documentary that our guy

1125
01:10:05,319 --> 01:10:11,159
Matt Whitecross and his team did a
phenomenal job the Showtime documentary The Four Kings,

1126
01:10:11,720 --> 01:10:15,359
What durand says is that after that
Hagler fight, he had made so

1127
01:10:15,520 --> 01:10:18,800
much money. Again, he didn't
win the fight, he wasn't taking training

1128
01:10:18,880 --> 01:10:24,079
seriously, etc. So when it
came about to maybe fight Thomas Hearns,

1129
01:10:24,239 --> 01:10:28,039
he was saying to whomever was offering
him, if you can get me one

1130
01:10:28,119 --> 01:10:30,520
million dollars by midnight tonight, I
will sign. If you can give me

1131
01:10:30,560 --> 01:10:33,159
a one million dollar bonus and get
me a million by to night. And

1132
01:10:33,239 --> 01:10:35,960
whoever it was said, I can
get you half a million. As the

1133
01:10:36,079 --> 01:10:41,479
Durand stories go exaggerated. Whatever,
the guy could get him a half million

1134
01:10:41,600 --> 01:10:45,119
by six am the next day,
And so Durand got a half million dollars

1135
01:10:45,640 --> 01:10:49,840
while badly out of shape, to
sign. And then he confided to the

1136
01:10:49,960 --> 01:10:54,800
documentary people, I was so badly
out of shape. It was all I

1137
01:10:54,840 --> 01:10:57,359
could do to try to get in
any kind of shape to make one fifty

1138
01:10:57,399 --> 01:11:00,000
four. And Hearns destroyed me.
Hearns destroyed me in part because of it.

1139
01:11:00,039 --> 01:11:03,039
But I thought, I thought that
story was fascinating where they were trying

1140
01:11:03,079 --> 01:11:06,840
to work that out, And that
was because he was back off the Davey

1141
01:11:06,920 --> 01:11:12,199
Moore win. And then the controversy
of Diddy beat Hagler or not November tenth,

1142
01:11:12,880 --> 01:11:15,600
nineteen eighty three with the four Kings. What a great what a great

1143
01:11:15,640 --> 01:11:18,439
time for sure. And one more
thing before we go. Don't get too

1144
01:11:18,560 --> 01:11:23,279
sappy on me, in too nostalgic. But your guy Lee Samuels with Top

1145
01:11:23,359 --> 01:11:28,159
Rank is retiring after what forty speaking
of forty years, forty years am I

1146
01:11:28,279 --> 01:11:30,319
correct with Top Rank boxing and associated
with them, and I know you've been

1147
01:11:30,399 --> 01:11:33,680
longtime friends with him thirty six.
If you want to be technical, as

1148
01:11:33,680 --> 01:11:38,600
he did many many years with top
let's round up for Lee give him forty

1149
01:11:38,800 --> 01:11:41,760
go He left for He left for
three or four years and was working at

1150
01:11:41,760 --> 01:11:45,000
the Hilton, the sports book at
the Hilton, and then came back in

1151
01:11:45,520 --> 01:11:49,039
a too, you know, and
then switched from PR to to the coordinating

1152
01:11:49,119 --> 01:11:53,159
part of the company in twenty seventeen. But if you want to round up

1153
01:11:53,159 --> 01:11:55,560
forty years, but the bottom line
forty years, thirty six years, whatever

1154
01:11:55,560 --> 01:11:59,760
it's been, I wish Lee Samuel
is nothing but happiness and good health and

1155
01:11:59,800 --> 01:12:01,520
RETI retirement. One of the greatest
people I've ever met in my time in

1156
01:12:01,600 --> 01:12:04,079
boxing. It'd be a loved figure, one of the great PR guys of

1157
01:12:04,119 --> 01:12:10,880
all time worthy member of the International
Boxing Hall of Fame. I met Lee

1158
01:12:11,199 --> 01:12:14,520
was probably one of the first pr
people I ever met when I started covering

1159
01:12:14,600 --> 01:12:17,840
boxing, the kind of guy give
you the shirt off his back, as

1160
01:12:17,920 --> 01:12:21,880
helpful as could possibly be, whatever
it was, whatever you needed. I

1161
01:12:23,199 --> 01:12:28,319
can't think of too many people in
this business that you could talk to who

1162
01:12:28,760 --> 01:12:31,039
who have never had a bad word
set about them. It may sound cliche

1163
01:12:31,600 --> 01:12:36,079
in boxing, especially like most people
have somebody that wants to motherfuck them about

1164
01:12:36,119 --> 01:12:40,560
something or other. I guarantee you
there's a lot that would have that to

1165
01:12:40,600 --> 01:12:43,760
say about me, which is fine, not Lee Amiels, Because all those

1166
01:12:43,760 --> 01:12:45,279
people that would mf me, and
who I would mf, we would agree

1167
01:12:45,279 --> 01:12:49,560
that Lee Amils is a great guy
and and a lovable figure. And you

1168
01:12:49,600 --> 01:12:54,399
know what, he just loved the
fighters, loved the boxers. And you

1169
01:12:54,439 --> 01:12:56,520
know what, I hope he's still
even if he's going to be off and

1170
01:12:56,560 --> 01:12:59,560
joined retirement, I hope he's still
going to be paying attention on watching the

1171
01:12:59,640 --> 01:13:05,000
fights. You know, this guy
just just loved everything about the sport,

1172
01:13:05,279 --> 01:13:10,359
whether it was seeing the guys in
the hotel, having this cup of coffee,

1173
01:13:10,720 --> 01:13:13,199
you know, getting ready for away, in taking the fighters over,

1174
01:13:13,560 --> 01:13:15,800
you know, dealing with setting up
a press conference, dealing doing conference calls,

1175
01:13:16,119 --> 01:13:18,800
helping out with an interview, getting
quotes, you know, adding just

1176
01:13:18,880 --> 01:13:21,319
giving you, like a little bit
of insight to what a guy was doing

1177
01:13:21,359 --> 01:13:25,479
in his camp. Just give you
that little extra nugget for the for the

1178
01:13:25,520 --> 01:13:27,920
story to get a little color,
you know, if you couldn't be there

1179
01:13:27,920 --> 01:13:30,720
to see it for yourself. Just
a beautiful human being and we're all going

1180
01:13:30,760 --> 01:13:33,319
to miss him on the job at
top Break. Love it. Great tribute

1181
01:13:33,359 --> 01:13:38,439
there from you busy busy with the
news, the nostalgia and the Shaque Stevens

1182
01:13:38,479 --> 01:13:41,880
interview. Again, I joke it's
a preview podcast. We didn't have really

1183
01:13:41,880 --> 01:13:44,960
a big time fight card to preview. We will have the bet US Boxing

1184
01:13:45,079 --> 01:13:49,199
show Friday one Eastern time, or
will handicap. We'll handicap the Matchroom main

1185
01:13:49,239 --> 01:13:54,479
event on that show. We'll also
handicap obviously because it will happen before the

1186
01:13:54,520 --> 01:13:59,920
next bet US show, the Shaquee
Stevenson and Emmanuel Navarate Championship doubleheader in Law

1187
01:14:00,159 --> 01:14:03,079
Vegas. So be with US one
Eastern bet US Platforms, bet Us YouTube

1188
01:14:03,399 --> 01:14:08,760
on Friday afternoon. You and I
will come off the weekend that doesn't really

1189
01:14:08,960 --> 01:14:11,560
have notable fights. But that doesn't
mean that we are gonna have a lot

1190
01:14:11,560 --> 01:14:15,359
to talk about because we'll preview even
more the Stevenson and Navarat fights. There'll

1191
01:14:15,399 --> 01:14:17,920
be more news, there'll be more
nostalgia. You don't have to apologize we're

1192
01:14:18,119 --> 01:14:21,800
having previous We always got shit to
talk about. We absolutely do. It's

1193
01:14:21,920 --> 01:14:26,880
just we got to get more creative
with the recap off of not really having

1194
01:14:26,880 --> 01:14:28,800
a lot the recap. But you
and I will do that. We will

1195
01:14:28,840 --> 01:14:30,479
do that off of the weekend.
In the meantime, have a great weekend.

1196
01:14:30,520 --> 01:14:32,800
I'll see you on the bet Us
Boxing Show. We'll be back here

1197
01:14:33,359 --> 01:14:38,640
coming off the weekend into Monday to
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1198
01:14:38,720 --> 01:14:41,920
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