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Now PW Torchen Spreaker bring you the Wide

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Killer Pro Wrestling Podcast. It's time
for this week's Interview Classic, where Wade

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Killer interviews one of pro wrestling's newsmakers. Today, we jump back five years

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to my interview with diamon Dallas Page
from July twenty seven, twenty eighteen.

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We talked about his visit to the
WWWE Performance Center of the prior week,

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including observing Kane Velasquez, Boy That
Didn't Last Long, Shawn Michael's, William

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Regal, and more. He also
compares the Performance Center to the nineteen nineties

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ws W Power Plant, where he
spent a lot of time, and how

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young wrestlers today are different and similar
to young wrestlers in the nineteen nineties.

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Of course, we've covered a lot
more in this hour and a half and

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it is today's Weight Keller Pro Wrestling
Podcast Interview Classic four Friday, August fourth,

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twenty twenty three. Let's get right
to it now, PW Torchen Spreaker

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bring you the Wade Keller Pro Wrestling
Podcast. It's time for Wade's interview with

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one of pro wrestling's newsmakers. All
right, I'm not joined by Domon Dallas,

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Page No. One to some as
ddp DP. Welcome to the Waight

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Keller Progress and Podcast again. I'm
good to be back man. How many

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appearances have I had with you over
the years? Oh? Many, idea

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I would I would say around eleven. What do you think it's around there?

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Yeah, Scott had on that much
that we're of the boys. I'm

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sure if you're sure you have your
regular guys that come on. But if

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the guys you've had to come up
an interview, I'm Scott Hall or you

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know he's got some serious time too. Yeah, like if we clock it,

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you're right up there. Scott Hall, Kevin Nash, John Waltman,

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uh, Mick Foley, if we
uh go away back. Yeah, Paul

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Hayman with Jim Ross. It's up
there and m guys that can talk guys

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about fun stories. Yeah yeah.
Matter of fact, I was just down

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and I'm sure you heard about it
was time to um the WWE Performance Center.

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And it was funny because I forgot
I was bringing down T shirts to

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do a you know, a contest. Uh you know, I was going

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to do five second pushups for the
ladies and ten second push ups for the

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guys. I had a bunch of
T shirts. I left them on the

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on the uh you know you check
in downstairs with the bell cap and I

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realized, Ah, I forgot him. So I went back and as I

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was, I wasn't paying at touch. I'm just trying to get to see

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hopefully I didn't lose my T shirts. And I hear a Dali and I'm

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like, I know that boy.
So I turned around into Scott Hall and

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I was like, dude, what
you know we're both at the airport.

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I'm like, where are you heading? He goes, I'm heading down to

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Orlando did the performance Center? I
go saw him. I so, as

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it turns out, he was going
down there to get in a few skull

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sessions with the boys and the girls
down there, and uh, you know,

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give him some of his Scott Home
wisdoms, which you know, he

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helped me out a lot, you
know, go you know, growing up

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in the business, Scott was around
there. You know, I just missed

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him in the AWA and then we
were both with Dusty and Florida Championship Wrestling,

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and that's where I came up with
the idea of the Diamonds and I

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was just talking to him about it. I wasn't talking about it for him.

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And then later on about a year
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I had already been in WCW for
about a couple of months, and he

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called me up about you know,
about doing the diamond stud gimmick, and

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you know, me managing him,
and uh so, I mean our history

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goes that far back, and that
was like nineteen eighty nine. Maybe WCW

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is probably ninety about ninety nineteen ninety, so twenty eight years ago. And

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uh, you know, when you
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Jacob Snake, Scott Hall coming in
had a lot to do with, you

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know, our beginning when I helped
him, you know, change his gimmick

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into the Diamond Stud which would become
Razor Ramone, because before there was Razor

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Ramone. You know, that character
was being born as a Diamond Stud.

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Then Scott went up to Joe WW
became a huge stars Razor and then came

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back to WCW. And then when
it came time to give me my big

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break. It was super instrumental of
him and Kevin Nash when I said no

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to the nWo, which was my
idea, and I brought it to Scott

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and keV and they were like,
we love it. Go tell Bishoffs.

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I'm like, I'm not telling Bishoffs
that I'm gonna drop the nWo. No,

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you like the idea, you tell
him so Kevin Nash. Actually,

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you know we all sat around at
the bar because it was great about Nitro

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in those days, or even Thunder
too. You could be in the show,

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be part of the show. Then
it played all over again because it

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was going to be on the West
coast, so you got to go.

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You got to go to the bar
and watch your stoff. You know.

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I remember after the first Nitro at
Mall of American pluving to Minnesota, attending

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it and then being at the Marriott
Bar afterwards, and Bishop was sitting at

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the bar watching back the replay of
Nitro, and I mean it was like

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a proud papa looking at this product
that he had spent so many months,

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you know, building and creating and
imagining, and it was so cool,

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like seeing Kevin Sullivan was next to
him at the bar of the Booker at

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the time, and the guys are
getting you're talking. It's totally true.

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The West Coast feed when Nitro,
allot of people who are on Nitro actually

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see the playback, even if the
day were at the bar afterwards, and

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that was a really cool part and
a lot of business was done there and

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that first Nitro. The really cool
thing about that first Nitro was the big

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surprise and that was you remember what
the big surprise was, right, I

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was like ten feet away from him
when he walked up, right right when

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Lex walked back on to our TV. Now, you know, I don't

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know if you know this. I'm
sure you do, but the fans,

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a lot of people who are listening
probably don't know this. But Lex was

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on TV scheduled for TV with a
WWE and I know it was a WWF

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back then, but everything's WW So
they got me programmed, just like I'm

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trying to program everybody from calling it
DDP yoga to calling it DDP why now?

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Why? Because I want people to
stop fucking calling it yoga, That's

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why, you know. But you
know, it's all about branding and programming,

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and you know, so the WWE
Lex was on the TV, like

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like what happens when you go to
TV, whether it's you know and now

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it's SmackDown, Nitro, raw Thunder, whatever it was, there's a shoot

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up there. It's written up like
all of the matches, so you know,

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who's the opening interview, who's the
opening matches, This match comes after

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this match, and then there's this
interview and then this match, so you

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know, it's like it's posting around, so you know, when you're coming

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up, there's no reason you shouldn't
be at the guerrilla position, you know,

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and ready to go because it's all
up there. And Lex is on

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that sheet for the WWE when he's
in Minneapolis getting ready to figuring walk on

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to the very first night tro that
was a gun shot heard around the world.

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Yes it was, and it's got
to be the main reason that Lex

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is still not in the Hall of
Fame because Lex Luger deserves to be in

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the damn Hall of Fame, you
know. And he had a great run

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in WWE, but he had an
unbelievable run in WCW unbelievable. He was

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inducted in the progressing Hall of Fame
in water to the Iowa where I'm headed

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this weekend. He was awesome and
it should be. He was scheduled to

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appear and do an acceptance speech,
but he got a better offer and bailed

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out on the ceremony, which was
kind of a bummer, but he sent

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it a video. Ah yeah,
Well, you know that's where I started

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to My first induction was in Waterloo, was you know, was for that

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the Hall of Fame there, which
was a huge honor. And then my

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next one was was being the first
guy to get like two awards at the

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Coulin Flower Alley, you know,
in the Ring of Honored Bear, and

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to get it for the Humanitarian and
for the Wrestling Award, which was huge

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to me, which was huge.
And then to finally go in WW All

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been interviewing DDP long enough to know
that there are no pauses in a DDP

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interview, So we will go back
to DDP, who has a question for

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me as we continue the conversation here
on Interview Friday on the Waite Keller Pro

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Wrestling Podcast. Did you see the
show U the other night or Monday night?

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The just last I guess it just
last Monday where they came out there

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and they really put over the women
wrestling. That was awesome, man.

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I mean WWS to me is I
love it there and I love what you

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know, what they're doing you're getting
to spend time with these young kids down

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there. These kids are they're they're
super tight man, and I was really

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happy to see that. You know, at the fans have reached out because

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the women wrestling is just spectacular today. And you know, I always talking

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to mcducy. The other day.
You finally has her first action figure coming

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out. Oh and yeah, one
of my friends sent it to me a

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picture of it. Who was there
and saw it, and I called her

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because she she's plump. Believe,
I still don't have an action figure after

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Hall of Famer a whole deal,
and I don't have an action figure.

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And we're doing this. Uh did
you see the thing we did at Christmas

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where it was like this animated series? Yeah, yeah, and we're doing

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another one. We've got a couple
other ones in the can that we're you

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know, we haven't mapped it all
out yet, but they're pretty fun.

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And one of them is where we're
saving the world. And I wanted to

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have a woman and uh, I
wanted Duce to do it, but she

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didn't have an Action figure, so
down and she does, we can do

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it with her. I'm excited for
that to come out, so we can

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do that. But um back over
you to WW and what they're doing with

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women and now that you know these
matches are just amazing, Like when I

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was down WW, these one that
are man they are working so hillaciously hard

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um in the ring when there's down
on TV, when they're at the Performance

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Center, they're they're working in for
to be the first all women's pay per

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view. Kimm is huge. Well, so let me let me ask you

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this, Seve, because you you
had the experience and let's set kind of

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set the framework for people who don't
know you were at the performance center for

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how long earlier this month? How
many days I was different? Four days

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I was gonna. I thought I
was just gonna go down for one like

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I did last time. And Matt
bloom Better you know, better known as

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Albert m he uh, you know, one of the top guys in WWE

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for years. He runs the Performance
center there and he was like, listen,

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day, if you really want to
have an impact, come for the

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week. You know we have TV
on this day. You know we have

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you know, we have opened schedule
here And he was like, you know,

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when do you want to come?
And I say, okay, let's

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do this day he goes, let's
mark it down right now. So we

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marked it down, which was,
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last week. And I went down
there and uh, everybody. First two

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workouts, everybody was there. And
after the second one, I did an

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afternoon workout, then I did through
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And it was never of the seventies
sum you know boys and down there,

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um the uh, there's never never
less than twenty five thirty of the

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seventy that were there. And what
was Shana Basler? Who is what a

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badass? I mean, she's she's
great in the ring, especially when you

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think about the limited amount of time, but she's had in the ring,

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uh you know, actually in the
business. But she is such an amazing

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natural all the way around. It
has that same insane workout deck. But

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there's a lot of other ladies down
there that are really talented. And one

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that I was working with, Lacy. Are you familiar with her? Yeah?

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Yeah, very counted marine, like
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girls got crazy work outhic, so
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the reason I brought up Shana and
Lacy is because I had a five second

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DDPY push up challenge and those of
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You lower for five seconds and then
you stop and hold your body there three

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inches off the ground for five seconds. Then you come up like a hydraulic

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shift for five seconds, back up
to applying position, and then you start

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your second one. Now you know
how hard the five second push ups are,

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bro how many do you think that
these ladies did? Like five is

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a lot? Right? And can
you do five five second push ups?

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Pro? No? Ok? Right? And anybody who's listening, if you

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don't think five is a lot,
try three. Just lower for five seconds,

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hold three inches up the ground for
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a legitimate five, four, three, two one out of And I didn't

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do it on the second day when
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So this day I started at the
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third day, and we had about
thirty thirty five people there, and out

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of the women, all of them
started and every one of them made four

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five second push ups, all of
them. And then they started to fall

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at five and six and seven five
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an elite group who got to ten
and then eleven and then twelve, and

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then thirteen. This is the women, and then it got to fourteen five

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second pushups and there's two remaining,
Lacy and Shame up. And then they

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did fifteen and I stopped it because
they either one of them, we're going

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to quit, and I don't know
where they could have gone, you know,

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but they literally got twelve or fifteen
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those like and all I can say, all of them were just unbelievable.

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But that's why just coming off of
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this week and they hear that they're
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was like, super pump. You'll
probably see a few of those girls popping

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up for that, which will be
interesting. How I got night with Lacy.

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She had come up to me after
the workout and she was telling me

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how much she hated yoga, like
regular yoga out. She was went off

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on a rat about it. And
she was a swat team, you know,

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she's a swat yo chick who was
in the military, was part of

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the swat team in the Marines.
So she didn't like the closing in the

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eyes, she didn't like the meditation
and all that. She wasn't into it

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at all, and I go,
well, that's not what I do.

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She goes, I know, and
I love it. Okay, so you

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get it. She's like, oh
yeah, I get It's had a great

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conversation. I started to watch her
work in the ring and what they do,

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like that kind of work. I
think that, you know, the

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people who really had that workout when
they're in the ring, when they're outside

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of it, when they're always doing
something. So I really you know,

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there's a lot of great women out
there, a lot of great women down

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there with a lot of talent,
and I really look forward to watch him

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growing. I'm gonna you know,
I just talked to Matt about coming back

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in October. The guys down there, the guys, and like I said,

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it wasn't the biggest, just wasn't
the big crowd. But out of

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the guys who were there, now
we're doing ten second pushups and the two

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guys who made it to the end, one was one of the reps and

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one is one was one of the
uh the new kids that are coming up

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there. And these two studs got
twelve ten second pushups. Wow. The

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last the last time I was there, Jason Jordan One having this kid Alex

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did um they did uh ten ten
second pushups and they might have been able

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to go farther, I don't know, but we stopped them there. But

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uh, you know, work epic
down there's insane and they've got a lot

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of great, you know, great
teachers down there. Norman Smiley, you

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know, was in the ring with
Kane Lasquez. Kane made k Valasquez made

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four out of my six workouts and
really got it, which was really cool

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to him because, oh yeah,
talk to him in detail. What can

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you share about his aspiration? You
know, I felt like he was trying

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it out for the week, but
he's the kind of guy when he's trying

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it out, he's all in,
like like he was the best. And

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I'm sure, you know, Angle, I'm sure that brock Lessner had this

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same innate ability, you know,
on those first couple of days down there,

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because so trained on so many levels. Of course, came being much

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older than them when he started,
so I mean he's only thirty five,

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um, but his fluidity and the
ring was was a maze. Um and

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Dorby and I it was a couple
of times we just looked at each other

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kind of shook her head like that's
a natural. And you know, when

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it comes to being believable, Who's
who's gonna be? Who's more Ruby Kay

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Glaska right around? I don't know. I mean they're right there. Ah

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there you go, She's she's right
there, you know. UM and I

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love the affiliation with uh, you
know, the WWE and UM the UFC

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right now because you know, this
is the first time this has happened.

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You know, it goes back to
Shamrock, but it goes back all the

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way back to Dann Separate, you
know, Dann Separate, uf UFC Hall

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of Famer, Yah, you know
Uh. And and a great work on

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his own, Uh Barnett, Josh
Barnett. It works all over in Japan,

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yep, you know. And UH
and now want to be uh played

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by play guys for UH for the
New Japan when they come over here,

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which is great because he's awesome,
you know, on the stick. And

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so this is you know, this
is nothing new. It's just you know,

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just has more of a because the
guy being a two time world champion.

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Uh. And the angle with Brock
is so built in and he'd stand

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in that flame I saw on a
tweet where he wrote, you know,

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I'm I'm really enjoying myself and I'd
love to come back and take another World

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championship for Brock Wessner. You know, uh, Brock, I'm sure loved

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it too, because Brock's all about
money and you know, and drawing money

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not about so much big but drawing
the big money, which he draws in

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UFC and he draws in WW That's
why I gets paid the big money.

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And you know where where Brock really, to me took himself to a different

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level is what he did for Goldberg. You know, I mean he may

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a Goldberg coming around. And it
was it was a great five or six

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whatever it was. Whatever match they
had at WrestleMania, they delivered. You

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know, they had a hell They
were all over the place, all over

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to Florida. You saw it.
Everybody saw it. It was. It

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was a great match, you know, was it? You know aj Styles

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and Nakamora. No, it's not
supposed to be. You know, it's

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two behemoths, you know, icons
of their eras, and they did a

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hell of a job. You know
what they say about underwear drawers, right

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that if it's a complete mess,
your life is a complete mess. So

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let's fix this. Let's get your
life in order. Let's talk about underwear.

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know you were part of the power Plant

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in WCW and hung out there.
Obviously it's a world of difference and it

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was decades ago, but not not
just the bells and whistles and the facility

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being so much of an improvement,
but talk about the approach to training and

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the differences today versus then, and
also, by the way, some of

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the timeless similarities. Well, you
know, if you go back to that

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group of guys where I was down
there, Paul Lavec aka Triple H was

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right there with me when he wasn't
on the road. He was down to

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power Counts. So was Steve and
Regal, you know, and working there.

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It's funny is one of the trainers
down there, Robbie, who's really

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good friends of Steve, who wrestled
for decades over in the UK, is

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one of the trainers down there,
and he's really great, great worker.

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But him and Regal, this is
a funny little side side note. Him

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and Regal would do like sixty minute
Broadways, you know, just going to

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one of the three ways and just
wrestled for an hour straight, right.

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And I didn't remember this, but
I remember those guys doing that, you

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know occasionally, And Robbie says,
you know that match that me and Steve

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had that you jumped in the ring
and started refereeing. It is on YouTube.

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I was like what, And then
I got pulled that he had he

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got pulled, so I didn't really
hear the whole time. I didn't understand.

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I didn't remember repping. And then
we were at TV on Wednesday,

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UM filming the next UM filming the
next UM an XT that was going to

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be coming up, and the film
four shows in a row, and you

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know, a lot of times,
I'll sit in the auditorium where they got

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the big screens and you you know, can really see the match on a

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huge big screens, and everybody's eating
or talking about what they're going to be

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doing or waiting to go on.
But I wanted to be here the crowd,

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so I will go to the gorilla
position and sort of said I was

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sitting in the back with Triple H
and and UH and Psay's and sitting back

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there watching but I couldn't really hear
the crowd. So I got to the

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gorilla spot and watching the monitor and
listening to the gorilla spot to be able

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to actually hear the pops, you
know, of everything that was happening.

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So going back to I'm standing there
and Regal comes walking up and it's in

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between TVs and Triple H comes walking
up and um and uh kazono kasa Cashius

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on No and I are talking and
then Regal came up and the Triple HS

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came up, and Regal starts talking
about that match again, and I'm like,

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dude, now he said I was
repuget. He goes, oh it

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came someone was asking me about this
match and I told them I don't know.

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He goes, it was me and
Robbie were on some uh you know,

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podcast somewhere and we were talking about
it. It's like the lost tapes.

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Someone found it while they I guess
they heard them on this interview and

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they put it up on YouTube and
oh no pulls it up on YouTube.

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But we're sitting there and there I
am. I jump in the match.

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We're twenty minutes into the forty minutes
at last twenty minutes, I'm freaking sliding

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down and doing your doing counts,
and you know, I become the referee

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of that match. So that's like
twenty plus years ago, like twenty five

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years ago, Like where the hell
of that come from? But back to

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that spot, you know for you
know that the power plant like it was

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the first of its kind. And
again Triple H was there. He saw

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the going from one ring. By
that time it were up at three rings,

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and eventually we built like four or
five rings. But it was basically

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that it was going different areas and
having different trainers work with you. Now,

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when I went to see Triple H
when I was doing the Resurrection of

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Jake the Snake, we were like
two months in and I was filming the

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very best of Nitro and I had
a meeting step by to come. We

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were gonna go to lunch, but
we couldn't make it, so I just

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came by for a meeting and I
was like, and they had one in

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George at that time, and I
said, you know, I was down

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there about a year ago teaching you
guys my GDP yoga program, and you

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really need to bring me back down
to start working with these young guys.

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And he said, just hold on, We're about to do a major move.

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And he starts telling me about what
the WWE Performance Center was going to

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be and how this was going to
be the state of the art. This

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was going to be like what the
NFL would do for one of their you

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know, their their performance centers,
their combine areas, whatever you want to

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call it. And he he's telling
me how it's going to have five rings

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and cameras everywhere, and you know
how they're going to be able to have

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a training center with strength coaches.
Then they're going to have the facility for

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injuries. And when the guys get
hurt on the road, this is where

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they'll come back to, and this
is where they'll train out of, and

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this is how they'll get their you
know, get the ring rust off because

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they'll have the performance center right there, and they'll have the ice tubs and

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you know, all the things you
need to rehabilitate your body. Now,

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remember, I'm the first guy professional
wrestling to ice his body by a decade,

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you know, maybe not a decade, five years. I might on

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my knees, my shoulders, my
back. No one's doing it. They're

407
00:33:00.480 --> 00:33:05.480
laughing at me. And then finally
WCW was the person to do it,

408
00:33:05.839 --> 00:33:08.519
to bring in a trainer that would
go on the road. First they came

409
00:33:08.559 --> 00:33:13.519
to TVs. Then eventually they'd go
on the road with you and help you,

410
00:33:14.119 --> 00:33:21.359
help you with injuries. And so
you know this this performance center just

411
00:33:21.559 --> 00:33:24.279
doesn't have that. You know,
it also has like a green screen room

412
00:33:24.319 --> 00:33:30.119
where you can go in and practice
interviews and like practice learning how to speak.

413
00:33:30.599 --> 00:33:35.799
But to me, the most helpful
thing, and it's a different level

414
00:33:35.880 --> 00:33:40.240
of helpfulness, it's if you go
to Full Sale where they do TV.

415
00:33:42.359 --> 00:33:50.519
It's like a mini Raw or Nitro
or SmackDown or whatever. It's a mini

416
00:33:51.319 --> 00:33:55.680
like you know there it only holds
a thousand people, but you never know

417
00:33:57.279 --> 00:34:01.160
is a thousand people the way they
shoot it and the people are red hot,

418
00:34:02.519 --> 00:34:07.679
and you know you're getting Joe that. You know the entrances, you

419
00:34:07.800 --> 00:34:13.639
know the the effects of the screen. So when you get to finally get

420
00:34:13.719 --> 00:34:19.760
to Raw you know or smacked Out, and it's not so intimidating, like

421
00:34:19.960 --> 00:34:24.199
it's intimidating no matter what. But
you've already had a taste this. And

422
00:34:24.760 --> 00:34:30.559
if you've made it to the main
roster of NXC and you get to do

423
00:34:30.760 --> 00:34:37.119
takeover, well you've already done it. And and their their takeover pay per

424
00:34:37.199 --> 00:34:44.280
views are huge, you know,
and the talent is amazing, so you

425
00:34:44.360 --> 00:34:50.880
know, it's the greatest trading ground
possible. And you know, like when

426
00:34:50.920 --> 00:34:54.280
I broke in, it was like
a secret society trying to figure out how

427
00:34:54.360 --> 00:35:01.199
to get involved. Um today you
know, you just gotta work your ass

428
00:35:01.239 --> 00:35:05.840
off to figure it out. But
how do you get WWE to notice you?

429
00:35:06.480 --> 00:35:09.599
And then they bring in for a
tryout? And there there are kids

430
00:35:10.440 --> 00:35:15.800
from all over the world there,
Like it was mind boggling to me.

431
00:35:15.480 --> 00:35:21.920
You know, from Egypt, in
Japan and um, you know, Scotland

432
00:35:22.079 --> 00:35:27.800
in the UK and Ireland and Australia. I mean there there there's so many

433
00:35:27.920 --> 00:35:31.960
different dialogues from France, from from
you know, I mean so many different

434
00:35:32.000 --> 00:35:38.360
countries. I mean, it really
is the world Wrestling entertainment today India.

435
00:35:38.960 --> 00:35:45.320
I mean, there was a number
of people from different nationalities down there,

436
00:35:45.840 --> 00:35:51.480
all shapes and sizes, um and
all talent levels. And you know,

437
00:35:52.119 --> 00:35:59.239
there's a lot of people that are
getting the opportunity that would be almost not

438
00:36:00.079 --> 00:36:05.679
say it was not existent back you
know when I was coming up, was

439
00:36:05.960 --> 00:36:09.719
Sean Michael's down there with you?
Yes he was, And it was great

440
00:36:09.800 --> 00:36:15.360
because you know it was back to
I'm segue back to this. So when

441
00:36:15.400 --> 00:36:17.440
I thought I lost my T shirts
and I hear, hey, Dally,

442
00:36:17.920 --> 00:36:22.920
it's Scott He's going to go to
Orlando. Well he's coming down the same

443
00:36:22.039 --> 00:36:28.039
time I am. So he gives
super validity to what I'm doing. But

444
00:36:28.280 --> 00:36:31.440
he's also you know, talking to
the guys. And one of the skull

445
00:36:31.519 --> 00:36:37.199
sessions they had was Scott and Sean
and it was the first ladder batch,

446
00:36:37.880 --> 00:36:44.360
you know, and in that room
was from the top talent you know at

447
00:36:44.519 --> 00:36:52.599
NHT, from Adam Cole to petov
a teen Dream to Tomaso Champa, I

448
00:36:52.679 --> 00:36:57.039
mean, and it was great and
I just slid into their back. They

449
00:36:57.079 --> 00:37:00.480
didn't even know I was there because
I liked to hear or what it was

450
00:37:00.599 --> 00:37:05.440
really like for a worker, for
a guy, would for a fan,

451
00:37:05.599 --> 00:37:08.559
they would have They just should have
put a reality show camera there because I

452
00:37:08.599 --> 00:37:15.480
didn't put it on NXT. I
should do NX on WW network because everything

453
00:37:15.239 --> 00:37:22.159
to watch that, they've been a
fly on the wall as there. You

454
00:37:22.239 --> 00:37:25.400
know, Sean's got control because he's
doing this, he's heading up skull session

455
00:37:27.199 --> 00:37:34.159
and they're playing the match and giving
their comments as to what's going on right

456
00:37:34.280 --> 00:37:39.960
there, and if it was a
real pertinent point, Sean would stop rewind

457
00:37:40.639 --> 00:37:45.800
and say, okay, here's what's
happening right here, you know, and

458
00:37:45.880 --> 00:37:50.320
then Scott might come in with some
you know, really educational thing or is

459
00:37:50.360 --> 00:37:53.320
something really smart ass you know,
that was funny as hell. You know.

460
00:37:53.519 --> 00:38:00.800
That's you know, and and explaining
the differences between the attitude era and

461
00:38:01.079 --> 00:38:07.800
what it is today, because it's
not the same landscape. So you can

462
00:38:07.880 --> 00:38:12.679
do a lot of the same stuff, but you can't do everything. And

463
00:38:12.840 --> 00:38:20.599
there's a reason why that Fox spent
two billion dollars, you know, two

464
00:38:20.920 --> 00:38:25.159
billion with a bee, you know, not to buy the company. Normally

465
00:38:25.199 --> 00:38:29.800
you hear a company solfer, you
know, a billion, five or three

466
00:38:29.880 --> 00:38:35.239
billion. They spent two billion for
programming just to be on the show.

467
00:38:36.559 --> 00:38:43.840
So that's ridiculous and unbelievable as far
as I'm been serving, it's amazing.

468
00:38:44.519 --> 00:38:50.480
But back in our day, we
had way higher ratings, but we couldn't

469
00:38:50.559 --> 00:38:55.519
sell the time for probably a third
of what these guys are selling it for.

470
00:38:57.119 --> 00:39:00.920
And what I mean by that is
the commercials, you know, because

471
00:39:00.519 --> 00:39:05.679
back then you could get you can
get heartily, you know, Kentucky from

472
00:39:05.800 --> 00:39:08.400
Chicken. You can still get to
you know, to buy your advertising,

473
00:39:08.840 --> 00:39:14.559
but you weren't getting some of the
higher end stuff because it was raffling.

474
00:39:15.039 --> 00:39:21.400
Well now it's not raffling. It's
sports entertainment. Isn't wrestling, absolutely,

475
00:39:21.920 --> 00:39:28.320
But the biggest star in the world
is a wrestler, not a retired wrestler.

476
00:39:28.920 --> 00:39:32.440
A wrestler the rock, biggest star
in the world, biggest money drawer

477
00:39:32.719 --> 00:39:37.760
in the world, who's one of
the hottest coming actors right now, A

478
00:39:37.920 --> 00:39:43.719
wrestler, John Cena. Did you
see Cockwalkers? I did not. Oh

479
00:39:44.239 --> 00:39:47.880
my god, if you haven't seen
it, if you hate Sena and I

480
00:39:49.000 --> 00:39:52.119
know the people who do, which
to me is ridiculous because the guy busts

481
00:39:52.159 --> 00:39:55.559
his ass every time he goes in
that ring. He always delivers a good

482
00:39:55.639 --> 00:40:00.440
match, most times a great match. He can promo his ass off.

483
00:40:00.800 --> 00:40:07.039
But him in cog Walkers, Man, I laugh so hard, and then

484
00:40:07.119 --> 00:40:08.960
I'm telling my wife about it.
We're coming back from Mexico, so we

485
00:40:09.039 --> 00:40:14.039
did the DP Yoga Retreat down in
Mexico, and on the way back,

486
00:40:14.400 --> 00:40:16.639
you know, they got to the
movies that you watch, so I said,

487
00:40:16.679 --> 00:40:22.320
you've got to watch Blockers, and
so she pulls it up and she's

488
00:40:22.519 --> 00:40:28.159
laughing so hard. She's slapping her
like I'm looking at her monitor that she

489
00:40:28.280 --> 00:40:32.000
has on. I'm laughing because I
can't even hear it, but I'm laughing

490
00:40:32.039 --> 00:40:37.719
because I know what they're doing,
and the facials and just the whole cast

491
00:40:37.880 --> 00:40:43.960
is amazing, but Scena steals,
he steals a show a ridiculous about at

492
00:40:44.000 --> 00:40:49.880
times the scenes like scene stealer and
just putting the work in, having no

493
00:40:50.119 --> 00:40:52.880
humility, I mean, or should
be an ultimate humility. You're having no

494
00:40:53.119 --> 00:41:00.480
shame, just going all in and
he's hysterical. So Joe from brain Wreck

495
00:41:00.639 --> 00:41:05.280
on out now this and then you
got the Quista who's all over the place

496
00:41:05.360 --> 00:41:12.280
too. So yeah, it's Collywood
now looks at us differently and we have

497
00:41:12.559 --> 00:41:15.039
everything to thank in the rock,
you know, and now see him Batista,

498
00:41:15.559 --> 00:41:19.800
you know, for being those A
list actors who are getting that spot

499
00:41:20.039 --> 00:41:22.920
in those guys who are the actors
in the group, the miss and so

500
00:41:23.199 --> 00:41:30.079
on, they're going to have a
really nice, really nice future in the

501
00:41:30.239 --> 00:41:40.159
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502
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512
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pwtrch dailycast dot com. Did you
notice anything different in your time with the

513
00:42:36.639 --> 00:42:43.360
trainees at the performance Center compared to
you the generation that you were around coming

514
00:42:43.440 --> 00:42:45.559
up, even whether it's at the
power Plant or just young guys, What

515
00:42:45.639 --> 00:42:50.000
are the main differences in their attitudes
and their approach and their their feelings about

516
00:42:50.039 --> 00:42:54.360
what it means to be a professional
wrestler. You know, we had a

517
00:42:54.440 --> 00:43:00.079
lot of really close this with our
groups of the power Plant, but I

518
00:43:00.159 --> 00:43:04.800
don't think it was anything like this. Michael ps Hayes, who's been one

519
00:43:04.840 --> 00:43:07.920
of my brothers man, says I
broke it in the a WA. He

520
00:43:08.159 --> 00:43:13.239
literally took me under his wing after
a three hour car driver. We just

521
00:43:13.320 --> 00:43:16.480
became brothers. He gave me his
phone number, he would call me back.

522
00:43:16.719 --> 00:43:22.000
I was nobody. He was Michael
ps Hayes, the free bird Man,

523
00:43:22.679 --> 00:43:30.480
and we became brothers. And he
is like, you know, Triple

524
00:43:30.639 --> 00:43:37.639
H's baby, but right under him
is Michael ps Hayes and Michael Yo,

525
00:43:37.800 --> 00:43:43.400
head writer. He's there for everything. He got everybody together and we're talking

526
00:43:43.400 --> 00:43:45.760
about a lot of people because a
lot of new people. Everybody's there,

527
00:43:45.840 --> 00:43:49.199
but all the boys, all the
girls, they're they're all there. He's

528
00:43:49.239 --> 00:43:52.639
like a hundred you know, for
all the new people and everything. And

529
00:43:52.960 --> 00:44:02.679
he gave eight fifteen minute inspirational talk
that rivaled anything you've heard out that cho

530
00:44:02.840 --> 00:44:07.960
do. And I'm talking about on
any given sunday. I mean that kind

531
00:44:07.039 --> 00:44:14.039
of inspirational talk for a man.
I love that kind of shit. But

532
00:44:14.280 --> 00:44:17.719
he was nailing it on so many
levels. And it was about the team

533
00:44:19.480 --> 00:44:22.440
and about you go up and down
together, and you know, I mean

534
00:44:22.559 --> 00:44:29.639
it really there's a different level of
closeness there, you know, because you

535
00:44:29.760 --> 00:44:30.880
see a lot of it. And
if you look at a lot of these

536
00:44:30.960 --> 00:44:37.440
guys who came up together, you
know, like the Robert Strong's and you

537
00:44:37.519 --> 00:44:44.639
know, um, you know Tomaso
and war Machine and you know a lot

538
00:44:44.719 --> 00:44:47.800
of these guys have all come together
and been friends at different territories. You

539
00:44:47.880 --> 00:44:52.119
know, Adam Cole, whether it
was Roh and a lot of them came

540
00:44:52.199 --> 00:44:57.920
through Roh, you know. And
now about to make that next step,

541
00:44:58.519 --> 00:45:01.280
Like there's some talent down there who
really was really cool. A lot of

542
00:45:01.320 --> 00:45:08.320
people have compared Adam Cole uh to
Sean Michaels, and right down there,

543
00:45:08.400 --> 00:45:13.599
Sean is right there with him.
I would say Sean's probably his biggest mentor

544
00:45:13.760 --> 00:45:16.760
right now, you know. And
Adam Cole of all the kids out there,

545
00:45:16.960 --> 00:45:21.880
and I personally love this kid,
not just because he does my program,

546
00:45:22.119 --> 00:45:25.000
because he gets it, like he's
been doing it for last couple of

547
00:45:25.119 --> 00:45:30.880
years. And I even put him
up on stage with Lacy because Lacey got

548
00:45:30.960 --> 00:45:34.760
it, you know. So they
had someone to look out besides me when

549
00:45:34.800 --> 00:45:37.960
I was walking around, so they
could see when I said Superstar, they

550
00:45:37.039 --> 00:45:40.239
knew where to be. And you
know, you know, World War One

551
00:45:40.679 --> 00:45:45.440
they could see because you could look
at Lace here you're looking at Adam Cole

552
00:45:45.920 --> 00:45:52.800
up there. But um, like
this kid, like he really he's they're

553
00:45:52.920 --> 00:46:00.199
so nice to each other. There's
a brotherhood and his sisterhood down there growing

554
00:46:00.320 --> 00:46:05.760
together that is super, super fucking
inspiring to me, you know. And

555
00:46:07.440 --> 00:46:10.559
you know, we all had our
little cliques. This is more of a

556
00:46:10.719 --> 00:46:15.760
group, you know, and it's
like a team. And there's still little

557
00:46:15.800 --> 00:46:22.599
groups I'm sure you know that really
worked to help each other. But these

558
00:46:22.679 --> 00:46:25.400
guys coming up together, there's just
so much talent there, and you know,

559
00:46:27.000 --> 00:46:30.400
it's gonna be a really it's gonna
be a really interesting time to watch

560
00:46:30.480 --> 00:46:34.679
some of these kids come up,
you know. And uh and the kids

561
00:46:34.719 --> 00:46:37.719
who work the hardest, you know, who love the most talent, but

562
00:46:38.000 --> 00:46:40.239
who worked the hardest or are gonna
be the ones that are going to be

563
00:46:40.320 --> 00:46:45.320
rewarding, you know. So I
just think it's a little bit like I

564
00:46:45.400 --> 00:46:51.039
don't feel anyway. I didn't feel
any cutthroat ship down there, like at

565
00:46:51.119 --> 00:46:55.000
all. Yeah, And you know, I and there that's part of the

566
00:46:55.119 --> 00:46:59.519
business, you know, because everybody
wants to get up. But I always

567
00:46:59.559 --> 00:47:01.119
felt like I'm going to help as
many people get up as I can.

568
00:47:01.880 --> 00:47:05.599
Ye know. There's a quote I
heard zig Ziggler say when I was a

569
00:47:05.679 --> 00:47:09.000
kid, I believe I can get
whatever I want, as long as I

570
00:47:09.079 --> 00:47:14.360
help enough people get what they want. I didn't say it exactly like that.

571
00:47:14.519 --> 00:47:17.000
I sort of made up my own, but that's what it is,

572
00:47:17.159 --> 00:47:22.880
you know, And that's the feeling
I had there, you know. And

573
00:47:22.519 --> 00:47:27.119
you know, people didn't believe in
this when it started. You know,

574
00:47:27.199 --> 00:47:29.639
when Triple HS first came up with
it, they let him run with it,

575
00:47:29.800 --> 00:47:32.679
but they didn't really believe in it. They sure as he'll do now,

576
00:47:35.719 --> 00:47:40.360
you know, and that's just time. How many people did did you

577
00:47:40.440 --> 00:47:45.199
run into it? The power plant? Who knew about DDP y DDP yoga?

578
00:47:45.960 --> 00:47:52.519
H y rg um? Yeah right, yeah? And what's the latest

579
00:47:52.559 --> 00:47:55.519
list of some of the younger guys
who have tried it or are practicing it

580
00:47:55.599 --> 00:47:59.920
on a regular basis? Um guide
you if you go up to the main

581
00:48:00.039 --> 00:48:02.840
and roster, you know, always
go back to Jericho, which everybody knows

582
00:48:02.880 --> 00:48:07.199
about because he tells everybody about it, and we talk about it whenever we

583
00:48:07.280 --> 00:48:09.440
talk. We talk about all the
time. You know that I'm super thankful

584
00:48:09.480 --> 00:48:15.239
to him, and he's super thankful
to me because I've helped the big billions

585
00:48:15.280 --> 00:48:20.159
of dollars. But I'm super thankful
to him because he kind of put us

586
00:48:20.199 --> 00:48:22.440
on the map, you know,
and like AJ, there's no way AJ

587
00:48:22.679 --> 00:48:29.400
styles is doing it without hearing it
from Chris and how what it did for

588
00:48:29.519 --> 00:48:31.880
him and when he blew his back
out four years ago and we're right here

589
00:48:31.920 --> 00:48:37.679
in Georgia, that's where AJ's at, and h you know, he really

590
00:48:37.000 --> 00:48:42.000
helped put it on the map again
with so many guys you know that we're

591
00:48:42.039 --> 00:48:46.039
doing it up there. And you
know when you when you hear someone,

592
00:48:46.800 --> 00:48:52.159
you hear an interview like AJ did
with Men's Fitness, I guess about six

593
00:48:52.239 --> 00:48:54.920
months ago or so, and basically
they're like, how the hell do you

594
00:48:55.039 --> 00:48:59.119
do it at forty years old?
And He's like, I do my DDP

595
00:48:59.280 --> 00:49:04.159
yoga five days a week, you
know, five mornings I'm up and that's

596
00:49:04.239 --> 00:49:07.159
what I do. And that's really
resonnated over to the future. Like I

597
00:49:07.280 --> 00:49:12.400
was on the phone last night with
Drew McIntyre and now Drew when he got

598
00:49:12.599 --> 00:49:15.960
hurt, he's like, because he'd
started and stopped a bunch of times,

599
00:49:15.000 --> 00:49:19.880
but he never stuck with it.
But when he came back after this time

600
00:49:19.920 --> 00:49:23.159
of his injury, and he knows, you know, he's only thirty three.

601
00:49:23.679 --> 00:49:29.280
Hell, I even started wrestling yet, but he's also been wrestling sin

602
00:49:29.360 --> 00:49:32.599
too with sixteen, so he knows
he's got miles on him. So it's

603
00:49:32.679 --> 00:49:36.920
all about you know, And so
I explained that everybody when I had my

604
00:49:37.000 --> 00:49:43.079
first TDPY session was as important as
it is to try to get to the

605
00:49:43.199 --> 00:49:46.000
show. And I don't care if
we're talking about the NFL, the MLBD,

606
00:49:46.280 --> 00:49:52.199
NHL, the NBA, the UFCAL, the WWE. Getting to the

607
00:49:52.320 --> 00:49:55.519
show is everything. You got two
jobs when you get to the show.

608
00:49:57.440 --> 00:50:01.000
Being the best shape you can be, be the best performer, the best

609
00:50:01.119 --> 00:50:07.320
player you can be. Number one. Two, don't get hurt. You're

610
00:50:07.320 --> 00:50:12.599
getta hurt. In the NFL,
your career most likely is over. Unless

611
00:50:12.639 --> 00:50:15.079
you you know it wasn't a serious
injury. Then you come back, but

612
00:50:15.239 --> 00:50:21.320
then most likely you're not as fast. You can't cut his blacks. Your

613
00:50:21.360 --> 00:50:23.719
game is off, so your stock
is going to go down. The key

614
00:50:23.880 --> 00:50:30.519
is don't get hurt now. In
a WW if you've already got a major

615
00:50:30.679 --> 00:50:35.880
name, well then you're pretty good
because they're gonna come back and they're gonna

616
00:50:35.960 --> 00:50:39.159
nurse you wall to you get there. If you don't, you better have

617
00:50:39.440 --> 00:50:45.039
something that really stood out for that
you know, because you know they're going

618
00:50:45.119 --> 00:50:50.519
to give you a shot to come
back. But are you that same guy?

619
00:50:50.760 --> 00:50:53.239
Are you that same girl? So
the key is trying to be preventative

620
00:50:53.280 --> 00:50:59.480
maintenance and not get hurt. So
at this point, Drew McIntyre, he

621
00:50:59.599 --> 00:51:04.000
gets that different level. Like I
said earlier, Adam Cole got it two

622
00:51:04.119 --> 00:51:07.840
years ago. What was really cool, Bobby Fish, you know part of

623
00:51:07.880 --> 00:51:14.719
the undisputed. When I got there, he pulled me aside. He'd been

624
00:51:14.760 --> 00:51:20.679
doing the app for so since his
is torn ACL. He had an ACL

625
00:51:20.760 --> 00:51:27.519
replacement. So he's telling me how
he started with my bed flex workout.

626
00:51:28.119 --> 00:51:31.920
When you start in bed, like
because you can't walk, and if you're

627
00:51:31.960 --> 00:51:36.559
too old or too beat up,
or you're coming off of ACL chair,

628
00:51:37.480 --> 00:51:38.960
you start in bed. When you're
getting out of bed, you do the

629
00:51:39.159 --> 00:51:44.679
bed flex workouts. He said that
I went to your chair force where you're

630
00:51:44.719 --> 00:51:50.920
sitting in a chair, and he's
telling me this and how this exercises strengthened

631
00:51:51.000 --> 00:51:54.840
his body so that he could get
up and do the stand strong workouts where

632
00:51:54.920 --> 00:52:00.239
you're using a chair. He goes, I'm finally at a spot where I

633
00:52:00.239 --> 00:52:06.679
don't need to char anymore. He
made all six workouts Alistair Black. He

634
00:52:06.880 --> 00:52:12.679
comes up to me after the second
workout and he said, and that's when

635
00:52:12.719 --> 00:52:15.519
the mass of people were there.
Everybody was pretty much their seventies. I

636
00:52:15.559 --> 00:52:19.320
don't know, seventy five eighty.
People don't know I'm over there, but

637
00:52:19.440 --> 00:52:24.320
it was packed. And he said
to me, I'm all in. My

638
00:52:24.519 --> 00:52:31.360
back was killing me yesterday. Today
I feel amazing. I have no back

639
00:52:31.440 --> 00:52:36.800
pain. I should turn around and
tell that the people right now. And

640
00:52:36.960 --> 00:52:40.639
he did, you know, so
you know we've talked since then, and

641
00:52:42.280 --> 00:52:47.519
you know um war Machine, you
know Todd, you know Todd Raymond.

642
00:52:47.599 --> 00:52:53.280
You know I'd told me that in
two thousand and twelve, and he came

643
00:52:53.400 --> 00:52:58.199
up to me just to thank me. He said, two thousand and twelve.

644
00:52:58.960 --> 00:53:02.760
I blew my back out, he
said, Man, I was I

645
00:53:02.880 --> 00:53:07.679
thought they said my career was over. I started doing your program. I

646
00:53:07.800 --> 00:53:14.159
got the DVDs, I dropped forty
pounds. I felt amazing, and then

647
00:53:14.239 --> 00:53:15.559
time got in the way and I
kind of went off it. Then I

648
00:53:15.639 --> 00:53:19.719
went on and when I went off
it, he goes, But it's what

649
00:53:20.000 --> 00:53:22.679
kept me in a ring, It's
what got me here. And they there's

650
00:53:22.719 --> 00:53:27.119
just the example of some of the
guys. You know, she ain't a

651
00:53:27.400 --> 00:53:31.840
change of China. Baslor set me
a tech that was super cool. Um,

652
00:53:32.920 --> 00:53:36.760
and I'm gonna just go read to
you. It's it's simple. But

653
00:53:37.679 --> 00:53:40.559
what she said was so cool because
here's a girl who's been a warrior,

654
00:53:40.880 --> 00:53:46.320
you know, her whole life,
and she wrote me this is one of

655
00:53:46.320 --> 00:53:50.119
the things I did. Like,
I didn't say, Okay, everybody,

656
00:53:50.800 --> 00:53:53.239
give me your name and number and
I'm gonna set you up on the app.

657
00:53:53.239 --> 00:53:57.280
Blah blah blah. I was like, bullshit, here's the deal.

658
00:53:58.039 --> 00:54:02.920
Here's my phone number. Okay,
all of them, from the referees to

659
00:54:04.079 --> 00:54:07.000
the top, bringing twenty everybody.
I mean, everybody, go get their

660
00:54:07.039 --> 00:54:10.920
phone or write down my number.
I said, because you might not want

661
00:54:10.960 --> 00:54:15.000
to use it right now, but
you might and you might want to use

662
00:54:15.079 --> 00:54:19.559
it when you get hurt, so
you'll have it. You won't be able

663
00:54:19.599 --> 00:54:22.199
to tell me you don't have it. So I gave him all my number.

664
00:54:22.800 --> 00:54:25.480
Go to the app, sign up, download it. I wouldn't let

665
00:54:25.519 --> 00:54:30.039
them pay for anything because my brothers
and sisters I'm not gonna charge them.

666
00:54:30.119 --> 00:54:35.119
I'm going to get back to them. And what I said is send me

667
00:54:35.440 --> 00:54:37.199
the name and email you send up
and I'll be ip you for life.

668
00:54:38.159 --> 00:54:44.280
And out of that seventy some people, there's over thirty five of them who

669
00:54:45.159 --> 00:54:49.480
I've signed up. Wow. So
Shana writes to me, thank you so

670
00:54:49.679 --> 00:54:53.159
much. I was so glad you
came because this is something I never would

671
00:54:53.199 --> 00:54:59.800
have sought out to try on my
own. It's definitely something I need.

672
00:55:00.239 --> 00:55:06.280
So super friggin cool. You know, like she got it, and she

673
00:55:06.719 --> 00:55:09.079
like, I put heart monitors on
some of them, and you know,

674
00:55:09.320 --> 00:55:13.719
you can get your heart rate jacked
up with this program if you do it

675
00:55:13.880 --> 00:55:17.320
right. Her heart rate was in
the highest end of her fat burning zone

676
00:55:17.480 --> 00:55:22.519
or in the red zone the entire
time. See, that's a girl who's

677
00:55:22.639 --> 00:55:25.960
really connected, you know, not
just into her workout, but into her

678
00:55:27.039 --> 00:55:30.320
ringwork and her work ethic in her
promos. And you know, when she

679
00:55:30.400 --> 00:55:31.920
didn't make a clash, she was
like, I just want you to know

680
00:55:32.079 --> 00:55:37.719
I couldn't make this class because like
Shade, I'm here for you. I'm

681
00:55:37.800 --> 00:55:42.719
here to work around your schedule and
that's why I'm doing two days on these

682
00:55:42.840 --> 00:55:45.000
days. And you do what you
gotta do. Girl. You know she

683
00:55:45.199 --> 00:55:52.159
don't be a huge huge Jude Jude
starred in the w W and like I

684
00:55:52.199 --> 00:55:54.440
said, I look forward to going
back there again. A lot of you

685
00:55:54.519 --> 00:56:02.119
know, a lot of kind,
sweet people, super positive energy, and

686
00:56:02.320 --> 00:56:06.119
that's what I feed you off.
You know, that's what That's a that's

687
00:56:06.159 --> 00:56:10.199
a bums me up. You know. Well, I know that you've been

688
00:56:10.199 --> 00:56:15.159
sponsoring this show and you have made
a special offer to listeners at the show

689
00:56:15.199 --> 00:56:21.159
to get seven days free to try
out the DDPY app and they can get

690
00:56:21.199 --> 00:56:24.719
started at DDP yoga dot com slash
Wade if you want to get that seven

691
00:56:24.800 --> 00:56:30.239
three days plus also twenty percent off
of one your membership and twenty percent off

692
00:56:30.360 --> 00:56:36.119
old school DVDs. Exactly if you
get DVDs, you still get to try

693
00:56:36.159 --> 00:56:38.159
the app. So yeah, I
know some people loved the DVDs. And

694
00:56:38.599 --> 00:56:45.360
the main thing I really want to
push people, Uh go to DDP Yoga

695
00:56:45.960 --> 00:56:52.280
on Facebook and follow our we Can
Rebuild You site. It's we Can Rebuild

696
00:56:52.320 --> 00:56:55.800
You as a program we started.
And have you gotten to see anything with

697
00:56:55.960 --> 00:57:01.719
Jerry Wade? Yeah, Jerry disabled
Dutch. Yeah yeah, they his stuff

698
00:57:01.840 --> 00:57:06.599
is so powerful. So you know, if you think you can't do something,

699
00:57:07.280 --> 00:57:10.639
watch Jerry and why this is a
week to week progress of what we

700
00:57:10.719 --> 00:57:15.119
put up there. It says if
we would have had Arthur Bourban and every

701
00:57:15.159 --> 00:57:19.760
week we would have filmed them,
you know, and just bringing it's Some

702
00:57:19.880 --> 00:57:22.239
people said, oh, you're doing
like a reality show. I'm like,

703
00:57:22.320 --> 00:57:25.760
I don't do both shit reality shows. I do what I call real life

704
00:57:25.880 --> 00:57:31.119
reality, Like this is really happening
in real time, and here's what's actually

705
00:57:31.239 --> 00:57:37.039
happening. And they are inspiring stories
that uh, that show people that,

706
00:57:37.239 --> 00:57:40.639
you know, ordinary people can do
extraordinary things, you know, and people

707
00:57:40.639 --> 00:57:45.159
who are even disabled can do extraordinary
thing. You just got to put the

708
00:57:45.239 --> 00:57:49.760
work in. So it's all at
ddpyoga dot com. But don't ever listen

709
00:57:49.800 --> 00:57:53.119
to a word I got to say. Follow me at real DDP at DDP

710
00:57:53.239 --> 00:57:58.360
yoga or just go to you know, dpoga on Facebook, or read what

711
00:57:58.440 --> 00:58:01.559
people write. Can't make people will
do that. There always a pleasure talking

712
00:58:01.559 --> 00:58:07.280
to your brother and appreciate your time. Man, Thank you DDP. Cool

713
00:58:07.400 --> 00:58:09.880
that you shared some stories from a
really cool week last weekend. We'll I'll

714
00:58:09.880 --> 00:58:13.639
talk to you down the line soon. You've got a brother. All right.

715
00:58:13.679 --> 00:58:15.360
That wraps up the DDP interview for
today. But I do not want

716
00:58:15.400 --> 00:58:19.719
you to go anywhere yet because Wednesday
night was a big episode of NXT.

717
00:58:19.840 --> 00:58:22.920
It was a first show on the
new set of TV tapings, and it

718
00:58:22.079 --> 00:58:27.599
featured Alistair Black defending the NXT title
against Tomasso Champa. If you haven't heard

719
00:58:27.639 --> 00:58:30.320
about what happened yet, then watch
the show and come back to this.

720
00:58:30.760 --> 00:58:34.519
But if you want some analysis of
that show, we're providing that for you

721
00:58:35.079 --> 00:58:40.199
as bonus content here on the Wade
Keller Pro Wrestling podcast. This is an

722
00:58:40.280 --> 00:58:45.440
excerpt of the eighty two minute NXT
post show. Pwtorch dot com a website

723
00:58:45.480 --> 00:58:49.679
that I launched back in nineteen ninety
nine, and i'dvite you to check it

724
00:58:49.719 --> 00:58:52.760
out today and every day. But
first things first, Here we go with

725
00:58:52.920 --> 00:58:58.880
an extended excerpt of the current pw
torch live cast covering the big main event

726
00:58:59.119 --> 00:59:05.000
on NXT's latest TV show. This
is a sample of the PWT Talks NXT

727
00:59:05.639 --> 00:59:08.960
edition of the pwu Torch lifcasts,
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733
00:59:29.960 --> 00:59:34.280
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734
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736
00:59:40.519 --> 00:59:44.079
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in the comments section. Thank you
so much. Hello, ladies and journals.

738
01:00:00.360 --> 01:00:07.079
Welcome to PWT Talks NXT. The
day is Wednesday, July twenty eighteen.

739
01:00:07.239 --> 01:00:10.400
My name is Harvey our Paget.
I'm hosting this week because Kelly Wells

740
01:00:10.639 --> 01:00:16.599
doesn't care about you. He just
leaves. He winds you and dimes you,

741
01:00:16.840 --> 01:00:22.559
breaks your heart and abandons you.
And now I know how Johnny Gardaneo

742
01:00:22.639 --> 01:00:29.119
feels. I'm joined by Justin James. Hi, I'm Justin James, Justin

743
01:00:29.360 --> 01:00:35.119
Underscore M Underscore James, and I
spit in the eye of Kelly Wells and

744
01:00:35.239 --> 01:00:38.360
I feel no heartbreak, no shame, and no regrets. He blows his

745
01:00:38.480 --> 01:00:45.320
nose in his general direction. We're
also thumb, I thumb my nose at

746
01:00:45.400 --> 01:00:49.119
the good sir, There you go, and Tom Stoup is here as well.

747
01:00:50.800 --> 01:00:55.199
Yes, now that the Kelly Wells
fairy tale is over, let me

748
01:00:55.199 --> 01:01:00.039
see if I remember how to do
this. I am at tom Stout on

749
01:01:00.159 --> 01:01:04.880
Twitter, and I've been tweeting recently
about some of the new mx T signees,

750
01:01:05.360 --> 01:01:07.719
as well as some rumors for some
upcoming ones. There's some interesting stuff

751
01:01:07.760 --> 01:01:10.480
floating around, so you can follow
me at tom Stout, but if you

752
01:01:10.559 --> 01:01:14.639
want, I don't know, maybe
Kelly, you'll make a run in later

753
01:01:14.719 --> 01:01:20.440
though, Oh let's hope not.
We saw we saw in tonight's episode how

754
01:01:20.599 --> 01:01:25.239
disastrously a run in can go awry
because we got ourselves a new champion,

755
01:01:28.599 --> 01:01:32.119
and and yes, we have ourselves
a new champion. We'll get to that.

756
01:01:32.320 --> 01:01:37.280
Let's start off with Kelly Wells.
He sent us a trivia question.

757
01:01:37.719 --> 01:01:40.440
I started this gimmick, and he's
stealing my gimmick of when you're not in

758
01:01:40.480 --> 01:01:44.280
the show, you send it a
trivia question. Kelly's trivia question. I'm

759
01:01:44.280 --> 01:01:46.280
going to read it now. You
listeners can moll over it all up so

760
01:01:46.440 --> 01:01:49.840
long and then we'll real the answer
at the end of the show, and

761
01:01:50.000 --> 01:01:55.679
his question is before the Champa Gargano
feud, what was the longest non title

762
01:01:57.400 --> 01:02:04.440
singles match at a takeover? Just
off the bat? Justin tom Any quick

763
01:02:04.480 --> 01:02:07.360
guesses, Oh wow, See I
had mulled this over and I totally read

764
01:02:07.400 --> 01:02:14.599
it wrong. I was thinking the
longest non title singles feud Oo San Zame

765
01:02:14.760 --> 01:02:22.039
versus the title non title Thing's got
to be one of them, maybe like

766
01:02:22.199 --> 01:02:27.440
versus Cizaro or versus Jin's game.
Maybe. Um. I think Cizaro had

767
01:02:27.679 --> 01:02:30.400
that three out of two out of
three folds match with him, which was

768
01:02:30.440 --> 01:02:35.880
fairly lengthy, right, Um,
Cizar and Regal had a one What was

769
01:02:36.079 --> 01:02:39.039
was? Let me ask you,
this was the Bailey Sasha match that was

770
01:02:39.119 --> 01:02:44.360
for the the Ironed Woman match that
was for the title. That was for

771
01:02:44.400 --> 01:02:46.239
the title. Yeah, because I
remember like if they came up even at

772
01:02:46.280 --> 01:02:52.679
the end, it didn't matter because
it was even she still retained. Um,

773
01:02:55.639 --> 01:03:00.599
all right, No, we don't
find out. I kind of like,

774
01:03:00.800 --> 01:03:04.199
I kind of like Zane versus cizarreth
two A three folds. All right,

775
01:03:04.400 --> 01:03:07.199
we'll find out in an hour.
In the meantime, there was a

776
01:03:07.280 --> 01:03:12.199
weekly TV show This week. As
usual, we had a bunch of matches

777
01:03:12.280 --> 01:03:16.239
and the main event was the NXT
Championship on the line. It's rare that

778
01:03:16.400 --> 01:03:22.320
we get the NXT title defended on
weekly television. I would have to say

779
01:03:22.320 --> 01:03:27.039
it's even rarer that we get a
title change hasn't happened before. I should

780
01:03:27.039 --> 01:03:31.119
know this, but I don't.
I want it was the last one when

781
01:03:31.280 --> 01:03:35.280
Biggie won it from Or. No, it would be when bow Dallas won

782
01:03:35.320 --> 01:03:39.599
it from Biggie yep ladder match.
Um. Yeah, because Nevill versus Zane

783
01:03:40.880 --> 01:03:46.079
and Nevill versus Dallas, there were
takeovers. That's when the takeover era had

784
01:03:46.119 --> 01:03:51.719
really begune. So yeah, we
did get we got a Joe was it?

785
01:03:51.840 --> 01:03:55.360
Joe and Balor got a title change
at like a live event in Japan,

786
01:03:55.920 --> 01:04:01.159
but on weekly NXTTV. Nothing's come
to mind for me. Yea four

787
01:04:01.199 --> 01:04:10.800
or five years. Yeah, Like
I remember Balor challenging challenging Owens on weekly

788
01:04:10.840 --> 01:04:14.480
TV like he was. He may
have been Owens's first or second title defense,

789
01:04:14.559 --> 01:04:18.280
but Owens won that. Are you
going to count No? I guess

790
01:04:18.320 --> 01:04:24.519
we can't count the Balor versus Owens
in Japan as weekly TV because that happened.

791
01:04:24.519 --> 01:04:27.360
That was like one of those four
in the morning things, right,

792
01:04:27.559 --> 01:04:32.000
I believe. I believe the most
recent one which was a successful defense was

793
01:04:32.119 --> 01:04:38.480
McIntyre Strong. Yeah, so we
get it defended sparing me on TV.

794
01:04:39.320 --> 01:04:44.400
That's how it. Changing hands almost
never happens. And so before we get

795
01:04:44.440 --> 01:04:47.760
into discussing the actual match itself,
which took up half of this week's episode,

796
01:04:48.159 --> 01:04:50.840
Champion made his entrance at the eight
thirty mark by my account, so

797
01:04:50.960 --> 01:04:55.960
literally half the show was this match. But before we get into that,

798
01:04:56.119 --> 01:05:01.320
let's talk about a thing called spoilers. Tom was live in the arena when

799
01:05:01.400 --> 01:05:04.639
this match happened, so he knew
what was going on. Justin were you

800
01:05:04.719 --> 01:05:10.159
able to avoid knowing the results going
into this match tonight? I'm one hundred

801
01:05:10.239 --> 01:05:14.639
percent Like the only time in the
last the only time a match ever gets

802
01:05:14.639 --> 01:05:20.360
spoiled for me is because of the
WWE app on my phone. It's spoiled.

803
01:05:20.480 --> 01:05:26.760
The spoiled the mustache maud in title
win in UK for me a couple

804
01:05:26.800 --> 01:05:28.800
of weeks ago. But outside that
was like the first time that but got

805
01:05:28.840 --> 01:05:31.840
spoiled from me in years. All
I have to do is just disabled notifications.

806
01:05:32.239 --> 01:05:36.880
This is a side effect of really
not being mister Twitter. And none

807
01:05:36.920 --> 01:05:42.559
of my friends on Facebook, you
know, sweet spoilers or posts or anything

808
01:05:42.639 --> 01:05:46.760
like that. So I'm really grateful
I'm able to avoid spoilers, Yes,

809
01:05:46.880 --> 01:05:50.360
and I wish I could because I
try my apparently not as hard as you.

810
01:05:51.079 --> 01:05:55.039
For me. First, it was
one of the wrestling news sites had

811
01:05:55.719 --> 01:06:00.039
huge spoiler for this past week's TV
tapings. Right away, my brain says,

812
01:06:00.159 --> 01:06:02.920
there's gotta be like the type champ
of wins. I don't I don't

813
01:06:02.920 --> 01:06:08.559
know what else would constitute huge at
this time in NXT. And then we're

814
01:06:08.599 --> 01:06:15.239
resolving cracking walnuts with his teeth,
he's his broken jaw somehow, he's in

815
01:06:15.280 --> 01:06:17.960
the ridge? Is he really?
Yeah? He just had his first match

816
01:06:18.000 --> 01:06:24.559
back at a live event. He
does he's wearing anything? Well, that's

817
01:06:24.679 --> 01:06:28.320
very interesting. But yeah, there
was that. And then a couple of

818
01:06:28.360 --> 01:06:31.880
days ago, I was checking Wikipedia
to remind myself how many titles there are

819
01:06:31.960 --> 01:06:36.400
on the main roster because the context
that the question was up about should the

820
01:06:36.440 --> 01:06:39.639
AD women's take titles? And I'm
thinking, how many titles do they have

821
01:06:39.760 --> 01:06:45.039
on Ron SmackDown? So I'm schooling
down and then NXT Champion to Musso Champa

822
01:06:45.159 --> 01:06:48.559
and I'm like you freaking like bastards. I'm not expecting this. It's my

823
01:06:48.840 --> 01:06:54.840
fault, clearly, but anyway,
my point is uh. Andrew Gamble,

824
01:06:55.199 --> 01:06:58.920
our number one listener, wrote in
with the question sort of on this topic

825
01:06:59.559 --> 01:07:04.639
and question this week is do you
ever see NXT going live instead of takings?

826
01:07:05.239 --> 01:07:09.280
I had tonight's main events spoil for
me last week before I even knew

827
01:07:09.280 --> 01:07:12.960
I needed to avoid sportlers. I
usually read the reports from the tapings because

828
01:07:12.960 --> 01:07:15.719
I can't always watch NXT where it
airs, so I'm not too upset about

829
01:07:15.719 --> 01:07:17.920
it, but still like to hear
your thoughts. Do you think they could

830
01:07:17.920 --> 01:07:23.440
do a live episode and then a
taped episode or something like that? So

831
01:07:24.480 --> 01:07:28.119
there's a question. I mean,
I my guests, and I'm sure Tom

832
01:07:28.199 --> 01:07:32.639
will confirm this. The problem with
NXT being live weekly is it's only a

833
01:07:32.679 --> 01:07:35.760
one hour show. Are you going
to be able to fill a whole arena

834
01:07:35.880 --> 01:07:45.920
once a week for three matches forty
minutes of television exactly? Sometimes when you

835
01:07:45.000 --> 01:07:50.880
know the match is going to be
ConA Reeves versus Ray Will mendous Hey maybe

836
01:07:51.519 --> 01:07:55.599
made rolemendous w always gets his first
twin. It's sign up for that,

837
01:07:56.519 --> 01:07:58.639
I know. I know, I
messed up his last name, and now

838
01:07:58.679 --> 01:08:09.320
I can't think of thensa thank you
ans versus the world and quin and yeah,

839
01:08:09.400 --> 01:08:12.719
that that is part of the problem. I think the other problem and

840
01:08:12.800 --> 01:08:19.600
we've discussed possibly going live with certain
live events here and there, although it

841
01:08:19.640 --> 01:08:25.600
would become really really tricky. I
think I want to say that Impact Wrestling

842
01:08:25.640 --> 01:08:28.880
has run into this issue a couple
times, or at least have heard about

843
01:08:28.920 --> 01:08:31.479
it, haven't actually seen it myself, where they will do all these tapings

844
01:08:31.520 --> 01:08:35.720
and then do something from a completely
different arena, and the continuity is just

845
01:08:35.800 --> 01:08:40.439
all over the place. So that
becomes really really tricky, and you you

846
01:08:40.600 --> 01:08:45.159
introduce a bunch of variables on top
of the length of the show that you're

847
01:08:45.199 --> 01:08:48.039
talking about. I mean, granted, they could probably put a whole other

848
01:08:48.159 --> 01:08:51.600
live event around it and then only
air the stuff, uh you know,

849
01:08:51.720 --> 01:08:56.000
only the hour that goes live is
the stuff that they want to actually advance

850
01:08:56.079 --> 01:09:00.760
storylines. Perhaps. However, then
you also have the issue that this to

851
01:09:00.920 --> 01:09:05.159
me implies that you're also going to
take these shows on the road, because

852
01:09:05.239 --> 01:09:10.560
why wouldn't you Why you know,
that would help draw the crowds. I

853
01:09:10.640 --> 01:09:14.439
mean, if they went live,
even though I live so close to full

854
01:09:14.439 --> 01:09:18.159
sale, I probably wouldn't be going
out every single Wednesday. You know,

855
01:09:18.560 --> 01:09:26.159
once a month is more than enough
for me personally, So then you weren't

856
01:09:26.199 --> 01:09:30.439
into I think, did I make
my point, because I totally my mind

857
01:09:30.520 --> 01:09:32.039
just blanks. Well, I'm so
good. I think the point you're making

858
01:09:32.079 --> 01:09:34.239
is that you wouldn't be bothered to
get off your lazy tail to go to

859
01:09:34.359 --> 01:09:41.399
n X two weekly, and so
nobody else will. Therefore it's a bad

860
01:09:41.520 --> 01:09:44.840
idea. I think I just summarized
what you were trying to say, right

861
01:09:45.079 --> 01:09:48.399
What if they packaged it for the
network as NXT two or five live back

862
01:09:48.439 --> 01:09:51.640
to back take in front of the
same audience, So then you got two

863
01:09:51.680 --> 01:09:56.520
hours of wrestling, your more reason
for you to go out to these events,

864
01:09:57.279 --> 01:10:00.479
and that would be pretty reasonable in
my mind. But then you still

865
01:10:00.560 --> 01:10:04.960
run into what I think would be
the issue. Take smackdowns to our show.

866
01:10:05.279 --> 01:10:09.239
If you're paying to go to a
SmackDown event, you're expecting to see

867
01:10:09.319 --> 01:10:13.359
Styles and Brian and people like that. And that's one of the I feel

868
01:10:13.560 --> 01:10:17.199
advantages of NXT right now is they
don't feel the need for Basler or Black

869
01:10:17.279 --> 01:10:20.520
to be on every single week right. I feel like they'd be pressured into

870
01:10:20.560 --> 01:10:27.800
that situation if you're doing in front
of in front of live customers. Absolutely,

871
01:10:27.960 --> 01:10:31.680
and and thankfully I remembered my point. I must be such a joy

872
01:10:31.840 --> 01:10:36.640
to listen to for anybody who actually
wants real information delivered in a in a

873
01:10:38.000 --> 01:10:44.399
concise manner. You're also introducing so
many expenses, you know, traveling sets,

874
01:10:44.520 --> 01:10:47.600
the live event sets are not as
as complex as the taping sets.

875
01:10:47.920 --> 01:10:53.399
You need more crew there, and
I mean, yeah, travel can be

876
01:10:53.560 --> 01:10:58.920
worked in, but the travel expense
becomes an issue when you're constantly removing these

877
01:10:59.000 --> 01:11:02.880
people from this, like this little
nucleus they have of the performance center only

878
01:11:02.960 --> 01:11:09.880
being a mile or two away from
full sale and them going in for daily

879
01:11:09.960 --> 01:11:15.079
training Monday through Friday. So you're
disrupting that whole system. So with Gambele's

880
01:11:15.159 --> 01:11:19.560
question of ever, I mean,
we'll see what changes, but right now

881
01:11:19.600 --> 01:11:25.800
they've got a pretty smooth system that's
working. And things like this absolutely drive

882
01:11:25.880 --> 01:11:30.760
me crazy. Spoiler culture is just
so hard to get around, you know

883
01:11:30.880 --> 01:11:33.560
that. That was one of the
reasons why I remained so mum about anything

884
01:11:33.640 --> 01:11:40.079
at all happening. Sometimes I feel
like it's a spoiler just to suggest that

885
01:11:40.279 --> 01:11:44.199
I don't know something's going to happen, because that means that in the rest

886
01:11:44.239 --> 01:11:46.560
of the content that I sat through
live, I didn't learn that information.

887
01:11:46.680 --> 01:11:51.880
So then I'm revealing that no further
advancement was made. And you had I

888
01:11:51.960 --> 01:11:55.439
mean, you had Triple H tweeting, oh, you better tune in tonight.

889
01:11:55.479 --> 01:11:57.439
You had other people going, oh, this is going to be crazy

890
01:11:57.479 --> 01:12:01.039
who don't usually comment on it.
Actually, justin you said that you successfully

891
01:12:01.199 --> 01:12:08.760
avoided the spoiler. Did did your
senses get perked up at all when you

892
01:12:09.039 --> 01:12:14.239
saw or if you saw people talking
about spoilers that much more about this particular

893
01:12:14.279 --> 01:12:16.680
episode? Whould I see talking about
spoilers? I don't use Twitter like you,

894
01:12:17.319 --> 01:12:20.199
Well, that's very wise if you, yeah, seriously, like if

895
01:12:20.279 --> 01:12:25.319
you don't use Twitter, and like, when I go to wrestling sites,

896
01:12:25.760 --> 01:12:30.479
for one thing, I only go
to pwtorch dot com, thank you very

897
01:12:30.560 --> 01:12:35.880
much. It's pwtorch dot com.
And when I do go to pwtorch dot

898
01:12:35.920 --> 01:12:43.920
com is specifically to look up Raw
and SmackDown taping results are event results,

899
01:12:44.279 --> 01:12:47.079
So I'll just you know, I
just go to the menu, hit TV

900
01:12:47.560 --> 01:12:53.800
reports Raw SmackDown and read the reports
that I intend to read. So that

901
01:12:53.920 --> 01:12:59.079
keeps me like super free of spoilers. And the Torches site is really good

902
01:12:59.119 --> 01:13:01.920
about not how many boilers just blasting
on their website in a fashion. You

903
01:13:01.920 --> 01:13:06.760
know, I've never been spoiled by
that site before, so for me,

904
01:13:08.119 --> 01:13:11.439
I just don't have stuff spoiled for
me. So I'm very grateful for that.

905
01:13:11.880 --> 01:13:15.039
Like this, this would not be
nearly as fun for me knowing the

906
01:13:15.439 --> 01:13:17.119
results in advance. It's bad enough
that I can put my book or hat

907
01:13:17.199 --> 01:13:24.399
on and make fairly accurate predictions.
Yeah, that was so at least that's

908
01:13:24.479 --> 01:13:26.920
fun. At least that's fun.
You know. It's like I'm making a

909
01:13:27.039 --> 01:13:31.199
bet against myself and if I lose, I don't pay myself anything. Yeah,

910
01:13:31.239 --> 01:13:35.119
Like I didn't want to know who
won tonight. It definitely ruined the

911
01:13:35.119 --> 01:13:39.319
match for me. I mean,
granted my want, this was fantastic match,

912
01:13:39.600 --> 01:13:42.119
Let's get that out of the way. This was a hell of a

913
01:13:42.199 --> 01:13:45.399
match, but I definitely spent The
one thing that definitely hurt it for me

914
01:13:45.960 --> 01:13:49.560
was I spent almost the entire match
waiting for a very honor to show up.

915
01:13:50.119 --> 01:13:53.479
Well, we all did, because
we knew that was going to happen.

916
01:13:54.079 --> 01:13:57.119
Yeah, and so as great as
a lot of the near falls were.

917
01:13:57.319 --> 01:14:00.159
And I loved that they were able
to get me invested in like a

918
01:14:00.279 --> 01:14:03.439
near fall off a German suplex and
make that look believable. I loved that.

919
01:14:03.920 --> 01:14:06.840
But I still spent the whole time
going, it's not gonna end until

920
01:14:06.880 --> 01:14:10.840
Johnny shows up. When's john You're
going to show up sort of thing.

921
01:14:10.960 --> 01:14:14.920
And as soon as I heard the
spoiler and New Champa went one right away,

922
01:14:15.000 --> 01:14:17.199
my brain said, oh, so
Johnny tries to interfere and scows up

923
01:14:17.199 --> 01:14:21.000
by accident and that's how it ends, And sure enough it did, which

924
01:14:23.560 --> 01:14:31.399
that's a bummer. I don't know. Longing for some nostalgia or maybe you

925
01:14:31.479 --> 01:14:36.279
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926
01:14:36.319 --> 01:14:41.960
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927
01:14:42.039 --> 01:14:45.399
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928
01:14:46.000 --> 01:14:50.079
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929
01:14:50.119 --> 01:14:55.319
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930
01:14:56.000 --> 01:15:12.760
That's the nineties passcasts every Friday for
the PW Torch Daily Cast feed. Tom,

931
01:15:12.960 --> 01:15:15.640
you were there live in the arena. Obviously nothing could be spoiled for

932
01:15:15.680 --> 01:15:20.159
you, So what do you think? Right? And I can't remember whether

933
01:15:20.199 --> 01:15:24.520
it was a conversation we had or
if I was talking with someone else,

934
01:15:24.640 --> 01:15:30.720
but this was something that myself and
perhaps you guys as well, agreed was

935
01:15:30.880 --> 01:15:35.880
a probable outcome. Was exactly what
occurred, Johnny trying to I mean,

936
01:15:36.079 --> 01:15:41.680
this is what they've been building up
to. They've been very, very calculated

937
01:15:41.760 --> 01:15:46.279
with this whole long storyline. That's
why, no matter how many times we

938
01:15:46.359 --> 01:15:48.800
think it should end, well,
I guess, speaking for myself, no

939
01:15:48.880 --> 01:15:51.840
matter how many times I think it
should end, I keep getting wrapped back

940
01:15:51.920 --> 01:15:56.279
up into it because they're doing such
a good job with the narrative. And

941
01:15:56.359 --> 01:16:00.920
that's what that's the trajectory Johnny has
been on since his most recent takeover loss

942
01:16:01.920 --> 01:16:10.000
is just seeing Red and not being
himself and making mistakes. And it really

943
01:16:10.079 --> 01:16:14.199
seemed like he was just going to
become so consumed with preventing Champa from winning

944
01:16:14.239 --> 01:16:17.079
the championship that he was going to
fail in that and cause him to win

945
01:16:17.159 --> 01:16:25.399
the championship in the process. And
maybe that's the reality jog that that Gargano

946
01:16:25.520 --> 01:16:30.920
needs to become our Gargano again,
and so that all that considered added to

947
01:16:31.000 --> 01:16:38.279
the fact that not only did I
want the Black title reign to end.

948
01:16:39.800 --> 01:16:42.479
I'm not sure if I ever mentioned
this on the podcast. It almost felt

949
01:16:42.520 --> 01:16:46.880
like a token that, you know, Alister Black was the thirteenth n XT

950
01:16:47.079 --> 01:16:53.279
champion. I didn't even notice that
they mentioned. I feel like they mentioned

951
01:16:53.319 --> 01:16:56.079
it at one point, and they
definitely made a point of mentioning Champa being

952
01:16:56.119 --> 01:17:00.560
the fourteenth tonight, which reminded me
of it. That's yeah, and we've

953
01:17:00.680 --> 01:17:06.239
we've been well documented in our criticisms
of Black's title run, but also we've

954
01:17:06.279 --> 01:17:11.560
been talking about how we thought that
Gargano Champa, which clearly is still continuing

955
01:17:11.640 --> 01:17:15.800
in some form, if not needed, at least could use a title to

956
01:17:15.960 --> 01:17:20.960
become that much more interesting. And
it's definitely been the a story going on

957
01:17:21.279 --> 01:17:28.840
in NXT. So this was absolutely
the result that I predicted and wanted,

958
01:17:29.279 --> 01:17:32.279
and having the luxury of watching it
live and not knowing what was going to

959
01:17:32.319 --> 01:17:36.720
happen for sure before before it did, I was very satisfied and seeing it

960
01:17:36.800 --> 01:17:43.119
play out exactly how I felt it
should. Um it just it just I

961
01:17:43.159 --> 01:17:46.479
mean, it's probably just because I
was thinking, you know, these were

962
01:17:46.520 --> 01:17:49.119
the ideas that I was thinking in
my own head, that seeing them play

963
01:17:49.159 --> 01:17:54.279
out was almost validating, like,
yes, oh good, somebody else thought

964
01:17:54.319 --> 01:17:56.920
that was a good idea too,
somebody who actually knows what they're doing back

965
01:17:56.960 --> 01:18:02.439
there. So yeah, that was
It was a very satisfying Honestly, it

966
01:18:02.560 --> 01:18:06.399
was probably probably one of the best, if not the best matches that I've

967
01:18:06.399 --> 01:18:14.119
seen live at NXT, probably live
period. You know, you you become

968
01:18:14.199 --> 01:18:18.800
so invested in it and and just
personally seeing even taking the character out of

969
01:18:18.800 --> 01:18:25.720
it, just seeing how far Tomasso
Champa has come. It was just really

970
01:18:25.760 --> 01:18:30.439
really rewarding, and it was just, yeah, just absolutely an easy Match

971
01:18:30.479 --> 01:18:34.960
of the Year contender for so many
reasons. For me, it often comes

972
01:18:35.000 --> 01:18:39.039
down to the little things, and
there are a couple things in this match

973
01:18:39.199 --> 01:18:42.920
that really that really made it for
me that I really enjoyed. So many

974
01:18:42.960 --> 01:18:45.920
times we see a ref bump and
it's like, you know, the referee

975
01:18:45.960 --> 01:18:49.920
gets jostled in the ring and he's
outcold for five minutes. He gets takes

976
01:18:50.000 --> 01:18:54.600
one punch and he's dead to the
world. That was in the case here,

977
01:18:54.880 --> 01:18:59.119
Drake Wirtz took a full back bump
off the apron onto the concrete and

978
01:18:59.319 --> 01:19:01.600
he wasn't out cold or anything.
He was just lying there on the ground

979
01:19:01.760 --> 01:19:08.479
hurt because he felt on a concrete. You know, this is now the

980
01:19:08.600 --> 01:19:15.640
second time then the match that involved
Tamasa Chiampa involved Drake Wirtz getting ref bumped

981
01:19:15.720 --> 01:19:18.960
and screwing up the match finish as
a result. Oh you small conspiracy.

982
01:19:19.960 --> 01:19:23.520
No, not conspiracy. I'm just
saying that this is at the same time

983
01:19:23.560 --> 01:19:27.840
it's happened, so it's not officially
overdone. Are we gonna see a video

984
01:19:28.079 --> 01:19:34.039
over Yeah? Are we gonna see
a video of like words shaking black saying

985
01:19:34.119 --> 01:19:39.119
like I sawry man, I really
screwed up again. I don't know why

986
01:19:39.159 --> 01:19:42.199
they let me keep refereading the main
results. We're just gonna have thought that

987
01:19:42.840 --> 01:19:47.880
that that other referee, justicacar referee, and nobody knows her name except for

988
01:19:48.000 --> 01:19:53.199
Tom Stoupe. Right. Oh and
Aubrey Edwards is the name of the new

989
01:19:53.279 --> 01:19:59.319
female referee that they're uh that they
brought in. Now I learned that stalker.

990
01:20:00.359 --> 01:20:01.560
Oh well, yeah, gotta find
out. I'm sure she'll be involved

991
01:20:01.600 --> 01:20:06.279
in the may On classic, Yeah
she did for Sorry, we're just talking

992
01:20:06.359 --> 01:20:10.079
about I'm speaking to you too,
but we have an audience right now.

993
01:20:10.279 --> 01:20:16.720
Aubrey Edwards referee to the dark match
before the tapings, which if anybody's interested,

994
01:20:16.760 --> 01:20:19.239
I'll pull up in the meantime,
but go ahead and continue the conversation.

995
01:20:21.039 --> 01:20:25.520
The big thing is like with regards
to the main question here, you

996
01:20:25.600 --> 01:20:29.920
know, spores aside and stuff.
Do I see NXT going live? I

997
01:20:30.119 --> 01:20:33.039
don't think so quite yet. I
would not mind seeing like they could even

998
01:20:33.119 --> 01:20:39.840
keep the current format and doing one
live episode a night, but one live

999
01:20:39.920 --> 01:20:43.399
episode for taping. But you know, as we've as we've heard from tom

1000
01:20:44.199 --> 01:20:49.520
Um, there's a lot of times
where something happens in the live setting where

1001
01:20:49.800 --> 01:20:54.000
you know there's a botch or something, and then when they actually show the

1002
01:20:54.079 --> 01:20:59.359
show, it's edited out, and
you knows NXT still is, believe it

1003
01:20:59.439 --> 01:21:01.840
or not. You know, training
grounds for people who've never wrestled before,

1004
01:21:02.479 --> 01:21:08.600
you know, people the people who
are less experienced and so on. I

1005
01:21:08.680 --> 01:21:11.720
don't mind it if they edit a
botch out, you know, and I

1006
01:21:11.840 --> 01:21:14.680
think there is value to that.
You know, they're not going to put

1007
01:21:15.840 --> 01:21:18.720
you know, a Lacy Evans from
six months ago on a Takeover live for

1008
01:21:18.800 --> 01:21:23.239
a reason. But they can trust
her to be on TV knowing that if

1009
01:21:23.279 --> 01:21:26.760
she botches something, they can just
edit it out. So it's the safe

1010
01:21:26.800 --> 01:21:30.000
space for someone like a ConA reeves
to learn in front of a live TV

1011
01:21:30.119 --> 01:21:39.840
audience without worrying about looking terrible forever
to it fair enough? But yeah,

1012
01:21:40.079 --> 01:21:47.279
so Champion Gargano, Champion Black and
now Black and Organo Black have officially has

1013
01:21:47.319 --> 01:21:53.279
two losses in NXT, the first
being pinned by Johnny Gargano in a fight

1014
01:21:53.319 --> 01:21:57.199
of four right, the second being
hit in the head with the title belt

1015
01:21:57.479 --> 01:22:01.920
by Johnny Gargano. So we are
still thinking trip with threat at Brooklyn.

1016
01:22:03.359 --> 01:22:05.720
I am for sure. I mean
the way this ended, there's no way

1017
01:22:05.760 --> 01:22:11.399
Black's going to accept that. And
then that I don't be blacks rematch,

1018
01:22:11.560 --> 01:22:18.239
and then what rower SmackDown the week
after summer saying one would imagine two o

1019
01:22:18.399 --> 01:22:23.119
five, No, he's two fifteen. Yeah, which one? Though rare

1020
01:22:23.199 --> 01:22:28.720
SmackDown seems like his gimmick seems like
a raw gimmick. You know, I

1021
01:22:28.920 --> 01:22:33.439
was thinking about this this week because
we've we've agreed since we started talking about

1022
01:22:33.479 --> 01:22:39.319
it before WrestleMania that he would fit
right in on Raw, but SmackDown really

1023
01:22:39.399 --> 01:22:43.159
has a baby face problem right now, so true, he could actually freshen

1024
01:22:43.319 --> 01:22:45.840
up what they've got going on on
SmackDown right now, So that could be

1025
01:22:45.960 --> 01:22:49.319
a fit for the time being.
Is he gonna be the champ that runs

1026
01:22:49.399 --> 01:22:57.319
the camp? They're already printing the
T shirts justin Do you have any other

1027
01:22:57.479 --> 01:23:00.560
thoughts about the match itself? The
other thing I'll will be enjoy right aside

1028
01:23:00.600 --> 01:23:06.520
from the ref bump you really plausible, was when Gargano got involved. Because

1029
01:23:06.720 --> 01:23:11.960
this is another one of these situations
where somebody will come out an interfere in

1030
01:23:12.000 --> 01:23:14.159
a match right at the end,
and you're thinking, well, why didn't

1031
01:23:14.159 --> 01:23:16.319
he come out fifteen minutes ago?
Match? Could I always have that thought?

1032
01:23:16.560 --> 01:23:20.199
I always have that thought this one
it was good. He only came

1033
01:23:20.239 --> 01:23:24.920
out. He was willing to let
Black settle the score himself. He only

1034
01:23:24.960 --> 01:23:28.560
came out when the title belf got
involved and the referee was down. Where

1035
01:23:28.640 --> 01:23:31.039
was he hiding? Where was he
hiding? How do you know this watching

1036
01:23:31.079 --> 01:23:33.319
from the crowd, watching from behind
the curtains. People actually do that.

1037
01:23:34.720 --> 01:23:39.479
But where did he come out from? So like everybody, everybody heard him

1038
01:23:39.520 --> 01:23:41.680
cheering, but they didn't show him
right now, you knew he was there

1039
01:23:41.680 --> 01:23:45.079
because he heard everybody cheering, and
so like you know, putting on my

1040
01:23:45.119 --> 01:23:49.319
book or hat. I know that
Gargano is there because I hear him cheering

1041
01:23:49.359 --> 01:23:51.600
him. I expected I hear Hione
cheering. I expect him get involved the

1042
01:23:51.640 --> 01:23:56.840
match. Where'd he come from?
Tom? Where did he come from?

1043
01:23:57.439 --> 01:24:00.720
Um? If you're looking through the
hard cam, he came from the left,

1044
01:24:00.840 --> 01:24:05.000
which is the the ram that all
the fans come through. The right

1045
01:24:05.119 --> 01:24:08.640
was on the opposite. Okay,
so he's only so he's only appeared from

1046
01:24:08.640 --> 01:24:13.399
a the concession area or the bathroom
or something. He's sitting in the toilet,

1047
01:24:13.560 --> 01:24:15.640
hiding and watching on his cell phone. I mean, where was How

1048
01:24:15.640 --> 01:24:18.560
did he notice? Like that stuff? It always feels so forced and so

1049
01:24:18.920 --> 01:24:24.039
stage. It's it's like to me, it running's okay if they're coming from

1050
01:24:24.079 --> 01:24:27.039
down from the you know, from
Gorilla or something, where he'd be like,

1051
01:24:27.119 --> 01:24:29.680
okay, yeah, I get where
this guy, how he saw and

1052
01:24:29.760 --> 01:24:31.880
how he knew, like this is
the moment. But even then it takes

1053
01:24:31.960 --> 01:24:35.000
so long to run down there.
You're like, okay, so we had

1054
01:24:35.039 --> 01:24:39.000
to make that decision. Run down
there. That's a job. Get in

1055
01:24:39.079 --> 01:24:43.119
the rain stand, back up,
and then you come on, dude,

1056
01:24:43.199 --> 01:24:45.279
like if he got all that time
to do you running, Alister Black is

1057
01:24:45.279 --> 01:24:49.800
either up or is not. I
Alister Black told him to stay out of

1058
01:24:49.920 --> 01:24:53.960
his business. Alister Black was in
no way. It's like, what's the

1059
01:24:54.000 --> 01:24:57.920
worst that would happen? He would
he got knocked with the belt and Champa

1060
01:24:58.000 --> 01:25:01.680
would have gotten dcted. I mean
whatever. I know that, I know

1061
01:25:01.760 --> 01:25:04.640
that words was out cold, but
the whole thing just felt so forced and

1062
01:25:04.800 --> 01:25:09.800
dumb, like maybe why they showed
him in the in the stands or something

1063
01:25:09.840 --> 01:25:13.560
that would have been okay, and
they showed him like jumping the barrier Randa

1064
01:25:13.680 --> 01:25:17.199
Rousey style, it would have been
okay, but nobody John's a barrier like

1065
01:25:17.319 --> 01:25:21.600
RANDI. I just assumed he was
watching on the monitor in the locker room

1066
01:25:21.720 --> 01:25:25.439
and when at the second the ref
went down, he started heading to the

1067
01:25:25.560 --> 01:25:29.359
ring. And so as he's making
his way to the ring, shamp is

1068
01:25:29.399 --> 01:25:32.760
getting the title and wrestling with Black
for the title and full sales not that

1069
01:25:33.000 --> 01:25:38.079
big. I gotta imagine they're entially
here in there. It's it's a rats,

1070
01:25:38.359 --> 01:25:42.760
it's a rats. Warn there's like
a thousand places for Easy three to

1071
01:25:42.840 --> 01:25:46.439
meet his fans, and and over
where hardcam is there there are you can

1072
01:25:46.479 --> 01:25:48.760
sort of see them. There are
a couple of rows of fans in front

1073
01:25:48.800 --> 01:25:53.560
of hardcam, but behind that it's
all tech. Um, so there's there's

1074
01:25:53.600 --> 01:25:58.159
no other fans over there. So
Johnny probably, um, if we're thinking

1075
01:25:58.199 --> 01:26:02.199
about it practically here probably walked through
where all that tech and camera work is

1076
01:26:02.239 --> 01:26:08.279
like back where the triple H and
Sean, Michael Sitton and Jeremy Borash actually

1077
01:26:08.359 --> 01:26:11.720
actually sorry, weird side note,
I'm full of these of the week after

1078
01:26:11.800 --> 01:26:15.560
the taping. H Jeremy Borash was
at ringside for this match, but not

1079
01:26:15.279 --> 01:26:19.560
doing the um looking for the loudest
fan thing. They actually didn't do that

1080
01:26:19.640 --> 01:26:23.800
at this taping. And I'm wondering
if it's a if that's a direct uh

1081
01:26:24.720 --> 01:26:28.760
response to how distracting it became?
Was it? George response to our podcast,

1082
01:26:28.880 --> 01:26:30.359
No doubt. I'm sure that,
Jeremy, I'm sure that. I'm

1083
01:26:30.399 --> 01:26:33.880
sure that trips in an HPK said
Jeremy, like, we get it,

1084
01:26:33.960 --> 01:26:38.680
dude, we appreciate your enthusiasms with
the product. But Tom, Justin and

1085
01:26:38.800 --> 01:26:44.079
Kelly called ye out on stopped the
junk, but and just self emerging us.

1086
01:26:44.720 --> 01:26:48.600
Uh, if the the quote unquote
camera guy that got knocked out of

1087
01:26:48.640 --> 01:26:54.199
the way before Champa pulled up for
the mat right such a stage, that

1088
01:26:54.319 --> 01:26:59.239
was the dumbest garbage they've done.
Some they've done some like crowd and crew

1089
01:26:59.359 --> 01:27:03.359
plants with with Champa's matches recently,
his bigger matches that either work really well

1090
01:27:03.560 --> 01:27:08.960
or they just look totally planned out
and they're they're pretty cheesy. But right

1091
01:27:09.039 --> 01:27:13.279
where that camera guy was, if
the if the shot just moved up a

1092
01:27:13.359 --> 01:27:15.560
little bit, you would have seen
Jeremy Borash right there behind the barricade.

1093
01:27:15.600 --> 01:27:19.399
And I have no idea what he
was doing. He had this skinny little

1094
01:27:19.439 --> 01:27:25.319
tripod and it looked like he had
maybe his phone set up on it.

1095
01:27:26.000 --> 01:27:30.119
It looked like he was just personally
filming the goings on himself. Um.

1096
01:27:30.680 --> 01:27:35.199
I didn't read WWE's spoiler article about
this, which actually they didn't put out

1097
01:27:35.239 --> 01:27:40.000
with the headline of title chains.
They said major News, which was at

1098
01:27:40.079 --> 01:27:44.079
least a little bit of improvement.
If they absolutely, if they absolutely have

1099
01:27:44.239 --> 01:27:48.640
to beat the quote uncooked or cheats. But I don't know, if maybe

1100
01:27:48.680 --> 01:27:51.920
he was filming something specifically for that, but it was I don't I don't

1101
01:27:51.960 --> 01:27:56.880
know what he was doing. It
was just an odd site. It was

1102
01:27:56.920 --> 01:28:04.239
just periscoping for Champa's wife. So
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vi ip. Second email of the show,

1112
01:28:47.920 --> 01:28:55.920
Steve Lanham from Maryland sent us a
rather lengthy email, and we're already

1113
01:28:56.359 --> 01:29:01.399
running a bit short on time because
Justin James is here, so I'm going

1114
01:29:01.560 --> 01:29:05.640
to skim through Steve's email instead and
kind of pull out a little bit.

1115
01:29:05.720 --> 01:29:10.920
One of his big questions in the
email is what do you think about how

1116
01:29:11.039 --> 01:29:15.960
long champas title lan will be?
Steve thinks Gargano beats Champa for the title

1117
01:29:16.159 --> 01:29:23.159
at Takeover during WrestleMania weekend, which
is a little far away. But yeah,

1118
01:29:23.199 --> 01:29:26.039
the question of how long Champa will
hold on to the title, that's

1119
01:29:26.079 --> 01:29:29.279
always a big question mark in this
day and age is how long these guys

1120
01:29:29.319 --> 01:29:33.800
are champions for tom What do you
think? I think that this is going

1121
01:29:33.880 --> 01:29:42.640
to be an Anomalee championship that will
last no longer than these tapings and Takeover.

1122
01:29:42.840 --> 01:29:51.039
And I do think that Gargano is
finally going to work his way into

1123
01:29:51.079 --> 01:29:57.239
this match somehow. There I go, possibly saying something I shouldn't, And

1124
01:29:58.479 --> 01:30:00.840
I think that this will finally be
the redeeming moment for him. I think

1125
01:30:00.920 --> 01:30:05.119
that he finally realized the error of
his ways and his mind is clear now

1126
01:30:05.720 --> 01:30:11.920
and the fans will finally get their
feel good moment and Champa's reign of terror

1127
01:30:12.000 --> 01:30:18.119
will not be able to leave the
uh the launching pad, although again I

1128
01:30:18.199 --> 01:30:23.560
certainly would not a story sorry,
oh yeah, well, yeah, you

1129
01:30:23.600 --> 01:30:26.199
know, yeah, I was kind
of thinking of it as as a little

1130
01:30:26.239 --> 01:30:29.760
bit of a mirror of that myself. Yeah, although I think I want

1131
01:30:29.800 --> 01:30:32.279
to say Sammy's lasted a little bit
longer than that. Um, yeah,

1132
01:30:32.399 --> 01:30:39.479
it definitely did a little bit,
a very little bit. But WrestleMania Weekend

1133
01:30:39.720 --> 01:30:45.960
definitely seems like it's going to be
too too long of a stretch for this.

1134
01:30:45.960 --> 01:30:49.479
But like I said earlier, this
storyline keeps drawing me back in and

1135
01:30:50.279 --> 01:30:58.720
it's so heated between these two guys
still at this point that h it's not

1136
01:30:59.000 --> 01:31:02.760
outside the realm possibility for this to
continue, for Champa to retain, and

1137
01:31:03.000 --> 01:31:11.119
for something to continue that would keep
us invested in the storyline that that you

1138
01:31:11.239 --> 01:31:15.000
know, find some new um,
some new level for them to go to

1139
01:31:15.319 --> 01:31:20.840
that keeps it fresh. Justin how
long does Champa hold the title for and

1140
01:31:21.000 --> 01:31:30.399
does Gargano take it from him?
Oh jeez, I this is some good

1141
01:31:30.479 --> 01:31:33.600
TV. Don't get me wrong,
Like this is good TV. Like every

1142
01:31:33.760 --> 01:31:40.319
every every episode with these two and
now these three on it individually is good

1143
01:31:40.439 --> 01:31:49.399
TV. I am so worn out
on Gargano Champa. I am so worn

1144
01:31:49.479 --> 01:31:53.720
out by this. And I know
we've mentioned this before, but my fatigue

1145
01:31:54.279 --> 01:31:59.439
has hit a new level tonight.
With these like, I'm not sure how

1146
01:31:59.439 --> 01:32:03.279
many more twenty to thirty minute matches
I can watch of this, you know

1147
01:32:03.479 --> 01:32:06.880
these guys. I feel like they
would give these guys an hour and it

1148
01:32:06.960 --> 01:32:11.640
would be a great hour match if
they if they went triple threat fatile.

1149
01:32:11.680 --> 01:32:15.039
But I'm like, I'm so burnt
out. I'm like, can chompa just

1150
01:32:15.199 --> 01:32:21.880
like Knockamura Gargano and end this thing
real quicker as I awn blow blow before

1151
01:32:21.960 --> 01:32:30.199
the bell and Pinham, just make
it quick. I'm burnout. Yeah,

1152
01:32:30.239 --> 01:32:33.039
I'm asked whether Greganno takes the title
from him. I wasn't. I don't

1153
01:32:33.039 --> 01:32:38.359
even care anymore. I don't even
care, Like my brain can't even fantasy

1154
01:32:38.399 --> 01:32:41.079
book anymore, because like I'm all
out of fantasy and I'm now dealing with

1155
01:32:41.600 --> 01:32:45.079
the cold hard reality that like everything
I like about this show is is now

1156
01:32:45.199 --> 01:32:51.439
being like hijacked to become the never
end. Like even Shana Basler is now

1157
01:32:54.039 --> 01:32:59.880
preferably involved by telling Cannas to go
home and be a family woman to miss

1158
01:33:00.039 --> 01:33:04.840
quote guile from Street Fighter Too,
And you know, like even Shana Basler

1159
01:33:05.039 --> 01:33:11.000
is being sucked into this somehow.
Just stop give me my Shana back.

1160
01:33:12.640 --> 01:33:19.039
My thing is this tonight's episode was
Johnny Gargano's eighty first NXT appearance, ty

1161
01:33:19.119 --> 01:33:25.560
and Scott Dawson. In the history
of NXT, only six wrestlers have appeared

1162
01:33:25.600 --> 01:33:29.119
on more episodes, and one of
them is Casha Sono, Big Cass,

1163
01:33:29.880 --> 01:33:36.920
Sasha Banks, Neville, Sammy Zane, Tyler Breeze, and Bailey Kysh No

1164
01:33:38.119 --> 01:33:42.039
Cashes. So only six people in
the history of NXT have made more NXT

1165
01:33:42.119 --> 01:33:46.439
appearances than Gargano. At this rate, he'll likely pass big Casts record by

1166
01:33:46.479 --> 01:33:49.439
Brooklyn, which would put him in
in the number six spot on that list.

1167
01:33:50.319 --> 01:33:56.239
So it would be very surprising for
Gargano to be still on the roster

1168
01:33:56.399 --> 01:34:00.199
come spring. That would be a
long long He'd pass Bailey and Breeze for

1169
01:34:00.439 --> 01:34:03.560
the new record for sure. That
seems like a long way to scratch this

1170
01:34:03.640 --> 01:34:06.680
thing out. I don't know,
I don't I don't know how Gargana Champa

1171
01:34:06.920 --> 01:34:12.079
as you think the hero has to
beat the villain, take the title back,

1172
01:34:12.239 --> 01:34:16.960
and then Champa goes up somewhere and
then Gargain, But then who does

1173
01:34:17.000 --> 01:34:20.760
gargainall use the title too? At
that point it becomes they're so involved in

1174
01:34:20.840 --> 01:34:27.199
each other it doesn't make sense for
either of the storylines and up in individually

1175
01:34:27.279 --> 01:34:29.880
from each other. I don't know. I don't know where it goes from

1176
01:34:29.920 --> 01:34:31.800
here. Maybe that's a good thing, maybe it's a question mark. But

1177
01:34:32.000 --> 01:34:36.000
WrestleMania Weekend, I mean, the
way that wrestling and NXT works, the

1178
01:34:36.079 --> 01:34:41.359
speed at which things develop. By
the time we have to take over WrestleMania,

1179
01:34:41.399 --> 01:34:45.079
I mean, it'll probably be Matt
Reddo versus Kenny Omega for the title,

1180
01:34:45.439 --> 01:34:48.720
right, Gargana Champa will be a
distant memory. Oh man, I

1181
01:34:49.000 --> 01:34:55.279
hope that Matt Riddle rumors are true. Is that going to be takeover Brooklyn

1182
01:34:55.439 --> 01:35:00.039
again? Due to the area of
the country that WrestleMania is in, be

1183
01:35:00.319 --> 01:35:05.199
just be like, take takeover Queens, take over NYC, something one of

1184
01:35:05.239 --> 01:35:11.880
the others. Take over us for
you there you go, Yeah, takeover

1185
01:35:13.760 --> 01:35:18.039
I don't know what any of yet. Take it over Criminal event. So

1186
01:35:19.159 --> 01:35:23.880
I don't know. Have we talked
have we talked his match to death champon

1187
01:35:23.920 --> 01:35:28.680
Black? Are we ready to move
on? I think so. I'm even

1188
01:35:28.720 --> 01:35:34.600
burnt out on this podcast. You
burnt me out, guys, Well,

1189
01:35:34.720 --> 01:35:38.359
let's move on to something else.
Then we had a contract signers to night,

1190
01:35:38.600 --> 01:35:42.800
the first official match for Takeover Brooklyn. All right, well fade out

1191
01:35:42.800 --> 01:35:45.600
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1195
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