Hi everyone. This is Christina, this is Carmen, and this is another
episode of a Spooky Tales, the podcast for all things spooky, spooky,
my bad. We're going back to our roots today. There's no true crime,
just like you promised me. Yeah, I promise you specifically, Carmen.
Yes, yes, yeah, today we're doing legends from our lovely Guadalajara.
Guadalajara. Yeah. Every time we hear Gualla Dahara, I just start
singing Guadadhara, Guadadada, but I can't sing, so you know, yeah,
I'm not gonna do that again. Yeah. I'm surprised you actually did
that. I know. I may cut it, I know, and I
had to leave it. Yeah, you're right, you're right. Yeah,
Guada Dahara. And yeah, that's where our fami is at. That is
where our other piece of our heart, that's where it's that's where it is.
Yeah. And we've talked about legends from Guadalahada before. We have a
whole episode where we did, like said, the Los Perros and other places,
the graveyard nelin yes, yeah uh and then still a separate episode about
Elspital cv Ellspital uhah. Yeah, Guadalahara is hunted af but we love it.
We love it. Our grandma's house, yeah, our grandma's house.
Yeah. Before we get into Guadalajada though, we do have a listener story.
Carmen is reading it. I am doing the honors today. Christina so
graciously trusted me with this huge responsibility today. So I just hope that I
do right by you and the listeners. Mm hmm. So this is from
Gracie. She says, Hi, y'all, my name is Gracie, and
I love the podcast. I enjoy listening to spooky stories and estonias known oh
yeah, oh hey. During work or my drive home, I tell people
about y'all to listen since you're one of my favorite podcasts. Thank you so
much, Grazy, thank you, Thank you. It means a lot.
Okay, So back to her story. You're already messing up. You're messing
me up. Sorry, Okay. So Gracie says, my story takes place
in the Imperial Valley, where I'm originally from. It's a small farming county
in California by Mexicali, Mexico, where there are tolos and cowboys alike.
Love that love it, she says. She specifies my family were tolos Oh.
Okay, So Gracie says. I was about ten and I was living
in Section eight housing with other single mothers and elderly people. I would go
outside during the winter it's like one hundred and fifteen plus degrees in the summer
and play with my friends in the Section eight complex. My friend and I
were outside of the apartments along with her mom and my nana, who were
best friends. They were in the grassy area far from the apartments, and
the kids were playing in the street. I had to pee, so I
asked my friend if I could use the bathroom in her apartment, since we
were closest to hers in mine. She said yes, and I went inside.
Around this time. It was after five pm, so it was super
dark outside and the lights were off in the apartment. I went in by
myself. I'm already scared. Okay, that was me, not Gracie.
By the way, stop, I can't I have to interject my opinion.
It's the Leo and me, Okay. The way the apartment is set up,
you enter through the living room, which is connected to the dining room
and the kitchen. Then in between that there's a hall that leads you to
two bedrooms and the restroom in the far back of the hall, and all
of the apartments were the same lay out, the same size and shape.
I turned to the hall in order to go to the restroom when I saw
siluette of an elderly man in the hall. Okay, he was tall,
had a wrinkly face, and wore a cowboy hat. Okay, so not
okay, so a cowboy ghost. Oh like your tattoo. That's what she
saw. Let us know, crazy, Please let us know if that's what
you saw. No, she said, I was an elderly man with wrinkles
and everything. Yeah, you're right. Scratch all that. Sorry, So
back to the story. I literally stopped in my tracks and stared at the
silhouette. No man lived in the apartment with my friend and her mom.
Her dad dipped years ago, and there wasn't a man sitting with my nana
and my friend's mom outside sitting with them when I went inside, but the
man was looking at me. I ran outside. I would have peed right
then and there, but okay, whatever, back to this. Yeah,
for real, I ran outside of my friend's apartment, and when they asked
where I was going, I said, back to my house. She said,
I'm leaving, I'm out of here. I'm my boy, And so
she says I lived in the same apartment complex, just three minutes away.
I almost peed myself running the stairs, but I just couldn't get close to
the man in the hallway. Turns out my friend's apartment was haunted. They
heard things that night, stuff moved around, and they saw shadows like I
did. They were Christians, so they got their pastor to bless the house
to tried to get rid of the devil, but it never worked. I
later in life, had a friend in high school who lived right above that
apartment. It was a two story apartment building and there's only like forty thousand
people in town. I told them about the experience I had downstairs and asked
if they or their family ever experienced anything. They said no, and I
was shocked because I figured it was the whole apartment building that was haunted.
Now I'm twenty four and I talked to my spiritual friends about it, and
they suggested it was Bruhetiah curse on the family itself, which isn't far fetched.
But I'm no expert any kind of spiritual stuff. I had never been
back inside of that apartment alone. And I haven't heard from my old friend
or her mom in years. I moved away from my hometown years ago,
but I still think about that experience. I definitely have to email back with
other experiences that I've had, please Christie, including the Wali house in San
Diego. Oh okay, m hmmm. And then she says, people have
a good day. Also, hi to my husband and said here for my
five seconds of fame. Stay is spooky. I love it, Gracie,
Thank you so much. Creepy And yeah, you know, you would think
if one apartment was experiencing something the one above it would be two, but
not always. Sometimes ghosts they like their spaces. It's definitely interesting. Yeah,
but I'm like I would figure too, in an apartment complex, more
than one of the apartments would be haunted. Wow. Yes, thank you
so much for saying that. In that's very creepy. Sorry, I was
gonna say when we're thinking about the story, oh you were gonna say more.
Sounds like you were done. I do think she's right about the bluehetia.
No, I don't know why I stopped them. And then it took
a sip like I did have more points. But that's why I thought you
were done. It makes sense. So yeah, it's definitely weird that only
that apartment was haunted, and I think it does make sense that maybe it
could just have been her family. That's true. That's true too. You
never know, and like if they moved and I followed them and no one
else had experiences, and yeah, that would have cement that belief, Like
not that that we know that that happened, but like it could have.
Yeah. Yeah, If you have a story that you want to send into
the podcast, you can email a spookitos at gmail dot com. You can
submit it on our discord that is linked in the show notes. You can
call the a spooky hotline. There's actually like three messages we have to listen
to at some point that I haven't like downloaded and since to listen to.
So we had to do that and I love receiving those. I love receiving
all your stories. Though you can also dmo Instagram. That's another option,
though I lose track of that very easily. That makes sense, So email
and discord is the best one. Discord is even better because there's a whole
channel that just has submit a scary story and that's a very easy place to
find and then people can comment on it. Yeah, it's great. So
yeah, join that if you want to be used. Discord Kerman doesn't.
So I just remembered that I said I was gonna try it out, and
then I never did. I forgot. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, that's
why I made that face, was like, I know, okay, So
now onto Guadalajara. Galalada, galahada. Thank you. I was waiting.
Yeah, I'm sure that longtime listeners of Speakytaiales know. But yeah, that
is where Carman and mine, Carmen and our our family is thank you.
I don't know how to talk. Yes, that's where our family is at.
That is where we go when we visit Mexico to visit our grandma.
Yeah, and we love it. We love the city. It's a big
city. It's actually I might have said this in our first Guadalajara episode,
but it's one of the only cities in Mexico, not one of the only
ones. But that wasn't already an established community that the Spanish k men took
over like there was nothing. There was no indigenous population in Guadalajara, in
Guada Lahara. Really, yeah, specifically. Yeah, it was a settlement
from the beginning. Yeah, like there was no moving people obviously other parts
of Jalisco, Yes, yeah, specifically. No. Oh, I didn't
know that as far as I have read, I mean, I hope I'm
not like wrong, and you know, so of course if I'm wrong,
correct me, but like nicely or I'll cry. But yeah, we've shared
many legends. But of course Guadala is amazing and very haunted, so there's
always more stories. And I hope to go to one of these when i'm
there. At least we've been to one. Which one in the pantheon?
Oh and oh my god, we did a whole tour and everything we did
the Torriyah and our grandma's house and our grandma's house is hunted. Yes,
And we went to Meetia's house and she says saw, she said, she
sla. You do not remember. Yes, Oh, actually Artia and Guadalajaram.
This is related, So I'm gonna share it. That same house where
she says she lay. They say that there's like a like a shadow that
people see. Oh, I didn't know that. Yeah, they say that
that one time one of our cousins was coming home late from Cristiano. I
guess everyone was already asleep, and he was walking in and there was another
cousin. His sister was sleeping on the bed, and then against the wall,
he saw like a shadow creeping up on her and then he almost passed
out in fear. Damn. That's that's scary. Yeah, And it was
like a huge shadow. And he's not the only one in that in that
street that has seen this shadow in the walls of their house. So interesting,
very scary. So yeah, the first place that we're gonna talk about
in Guadalajara is Ospicios and it's actually known as Museo Caabagas now it's in the
center of Guadalajara. So where like the you know, big cathedral with Santa
No Sensia in it, you know, the big Do you know that story?
Sure, surely you do. I think we've shared it on the past.
Yeah, sorry, I just didn't. I took me a second to
think about because I didn't remember ever what it's called. You're talking about the
girl who was killed or something like that and her bones were there whatever.
No, yeah, yeah, I like her allegedly wanting to legend her mammified
body is okay, yeah, yeah, on display and her dad killed her
right because you wanted to be a Catholic or something like that. Yes,
okayes that is the legend. Yeah, we've covered it much better on a
different episode. So yeah, where the cathedral is at where I know this
place at San Juan de Dios. That means we've been there too. We
have, we have been. We've for sure we've seen her. You just
don't remember it, I think, but yeah, we've been to the cathedral
many times. And San Juan de Dios is in the same area. So
this place Specio is like a five ten minute walk down from so it's all
in the same area basically the center of Godalajara so musill is what it's called
now, But it was once so Specio like hospice, yes, oh,
spcio ca. Yeah, it was built by Juan Cruz Ruiz, the cas
hence hence yes. And he arrived from Spain with a dream and a lot
of money because he was uh, because he got there in the first place.
Yeah, yeah, he had the full support of the Spanish crown.
So you know, it's a bit more like he arrived with a dream with
nothing but a pocket of change and a dream or whatever, but this is
the opposite. He had a dream and a lot of support from the Spanish
because they were colonizing Mexico, so right, right, So he had a
dream to help the poor, orphaned Mexicans and the old, the sick,
and so he brought the idea to build this place that was going to be
Serve, Serve the needy to the Spanish crown. They gave him the money.
Construction began in eighteen oh one, and then it opened in eighteen ten.
And it opened with the name Gasa de la Garidad e miseri Gordia the
House of Compassion and Mercy, something like that. I was like, what
is that word in English? Misi gordia mi sigrdia is either mercy or compassion.
I don't know which one. It could be both. I think it
depends on the context I see, but it sounds more it sounds more ominous
in Spanish. Yeah. When it opened, it served to help those in
need, the sick, the elderly, orphaned children. It provided them with
the home meals and education. It taught them like a vocation even but this
didn't last. The fights for Mexican independence began later that year, and then
the building was commandeered by the Spanish army when the war was over in eighteen
twenty one. Oh Spicio Cabanas then continued its original mission, and then when
Juan Gruz Ruiz de Cabaas passed away in eighteen twenty four, O Spicio Cavagnas
then became a center for children only, so it no longer was a hospital
for everyone. It was just an orphanage slash hospital, but not really like
an emergency hospital, just to help the children who were already there that were
sick. Okay, some sources say that it could said that it could house
six hundred children, but others set one hundred and thirty children. Not so
big discrepancy in numbers. We're between one hundred and six hundred, okay,
yeah, yeah, makes perfect sense. I'm inclined to believe the bigger number
because it had one hundred and twenty six rooms and there was more than one
yeah, more than in a room. Yeah, m hmmm. So that's
why I'm inclined to believe the bigger number. So in eighteen fifty seven it
became the property of the Mexican government and it was under the management of a
group of nuns called Las Ermanas de la Garidad, and let me guess they
had no kharidav no no, no, okay, I mean maybe some of
them, but some of them did. Are you saying, what is khadida?
Yeah? Kharidad in English? What is that? Let me just Google
translate because it's sane. Oh it's saying charity, charity, I think really?
So okay, well then it would be sisters of Charity if Google Translate
is correct. Now that was just Google, like just from a dictionary type
thing. Yes, no, okay, yeah, charity it is. Yeah,
well, mightn't know that those are the words that should be in that
game. The game because that game was too easy. It's because I guess
we're not actually, and that's evidenced by us having an easy time with the
game so far. The naysayers just kidding. We should record ourselves playing it
and put that as on Patreon. Oh that would be fun. Yeah,
back to this. So, yes, charity apparently sisters of Charity. So
by this time it had one hundred and twenty six rooms, two chapels,
twenty three batios. I can't say batios in English. It sounds very wrong
to me. Patios seventy two hollways and a. It was full of beautiful
paintings, murals, and at this point it was an orphanage, uh until
it closed. While it was an orphanage, the children who cared for here,
a lot of them had their last names changed to Gabes Okay, which
is weird to me. I just that's why I added that in like,
just leave them with their own last name. Maybe the argument was that because
their orphans they don't have legally, they don't have parents anymore until they could
change their last names, I don't know, yeah, or maybe like the
ones that were small enough to not have had well, no you because when
someone gets dropped off, like we're found, I don't know, maybe children
that didn't have names. I guess we don't know, yeah, yeah,
yeah, which is a thing, But I don't know. So I don't
know what these circumstances of the children whose names were changed, But a lot,
a lot of the children that went through the orphanage their last names were
changed to gabayes. Can you remind me what years these are? We are
in the eighteen fifties, eighteen I think during this time, it was still
very popular to convert slash fource Indigenous people to con convert to Catholicism. So
could the name change come from that? Because I remember when I was I
don't remember what class I was taking where I some paper or something I was
studying. I ended up finding like it contained logs of last names like people
and children, but I think it was also adults in that log. Oh.
I think it was the history of California. This was in California,
but obviously back then it was Mexico. Yeah. Yeah, and you know
how there was the missionaries or the missions, yes, yes, yes,
so any Indigenous person that lived in the mission eventually was forced to convert,
right, yeah, and their names were changed. Yeah, and so then
and then there was, yeah, this whole log of like hundreds and hundreds
and hundreds of names and it had like their indigenous name and when it was,
you know, changed to a Spanish name. So maybe it's something like
like that. Also, I wouldn't doubt it. I wouldn't doubt it.
It's very possible. Yeah, the children there, they were all cared for
by the nuns there, and many former students recall their time at Elospico cavanas
fadly really okay, yeah, yeah, I'm surprised though the nuns did use
corporal punishment. Take care of them with a firm hand. Okay, so
yeah, but they still remember. Finally, so in nineteen eighty it became
El Instituto, and then it was changed to mussel Cavas, where you can
walk the same hallways the children did. Today you can admire many of the
mural murals, sorry murials, murals, many of the murals that were painted
by Jose Clemente Orosco, a famous painter in Guadalajara, and he has many
murals across the city. And yeah, it's a beautiful building in the center
of Golahada, like I already said. But of course this wouldn't be a
topic on espooky tales if it was all just roses and loove or whatever the
saying is. I'm sure there's a saying like that. This is what I've
been waiting for. What did you say? What's sane? What? Sorry?
Roses and like roses and oh no, you know what I was thinking
rose colored glasses, which doesn't make sense in this sentence. Oh okay,
yeah, I couldn't figure out you were trying to say. So, yeah,
it doesn't matter. So Els Picio Caes is home to stories of death
and ghosts. According to legend, back when it was still an orphanage,
Specifica Vanes had a clock tower at the entrance. It was brought from Spain.
For the first few weeks, this clock worked fine, rain every hour
as it was intended to. It made the entrance look fancier. You know
what clocks do, what clock towers do. But for some unknown reason,
the clock stopped working. It was brand new, so you know, it
should have been working, but it often broke down, and it was always
in need of repair. Like it broke down and then it just wouldn't turn
back on until the clock repair man came and fixed it. And at first
it was just this annoying, inconvenient thing that kept happening. But then the
nuns noticed a disturbing pattern that shook them to their core. Three am.
No, the time didn't matter, oh okay, okay, but whatever time
it stopped at. At that exact time, a child in the orphanage was
found dead. Oh my god, and it became known as elre log de
lamerte. They didn't know why it was happening. People started saying Satan himself,
Satan Nas and Diablo himself was controlling the clock. So after they noticed
the pattern and that it happened again, then they were like, let's get
rid of this clock. Makes sense, makes sense? And yeah, they
got rid of it. And even though the clock was gone, the children
who died, they remained dead. Yeah, and their ghosts were in the
building. Oh sorry, that makes sense that I just knock up there for
whatever reason, but it made sense. It was she also remained dead.
They remained there as ghosts. Yes, I was like, what they remained
what? Oh my god, I can't willow Okay, So and now this
is the story from Ospisioka Mussel. Someone was visiting. Lupe was in Guadalajara
for the week. She wanted to reconnect with her Tapatillo heritage and visit her
yeah right, and visit her mom's hometown home city. And really it's a
city, it's big. Being at her grandma's house with everyone was a little
too much for her. She was kind of introverted. So she got on
the bus and then you know, the train or metro, whatever you want
to call it, and then arrived at the historic center of Guadalalajara. She
went to the market San Juandelios. And then she walked around until she got
to Mussel Cavanas, and she was looking at really everything there. It's uh,
it's a museum, so you can look at the paintings, the mural
mirror. Oh my fucking god, I can't say that word the murals.
Yes, I don't. Yeah, I don't know where you're putting the emphasis
you're putting. Keep saying the name. Yeah, you are saying the old
lady named Muriel. I'm so sorry. So, yeah, she's looking at
the beautiful paintings. I'm just gonna replace the word with paintings from now on.
I know that I'm not talking about a small painting, but a whole
wall. I just can't say the word. Well say, that's why you
need to say mural. I can't. I can't mural. Yeah was that
better? Yeah? Thank you. So she was walking around, just you
know, in awe of everything, because it is really a beautiful place.
But then she got to one mural. It was red with the clock and
a man trapped inside the clock. I mean that sounds scary. Fuck.
Yeah, it was very out of place. It didn't it looked like it
didn't belong with the rest of the murals, although some of them are already
very creepy. There's one very famous one called like a Man on Fire and
it's basically a man on fire. Oh, I think I've seen this,
you probably have. And this was meant to decorate a building for children.
So yeah, like it is already full of very strange paintings. But even
though one she was looking at that moment was out of place. But because
we're talking about the paintings already, I have to talk about this one because
it's very very strange. This is on the ceiling. Oh that's scary.
Yeah, and yeah, so this was it's kind of cool, painted by
Jose Clemente Rosco. Yeah, it's called Umbre de Fuego or the Man of
Fire. And yeah, you see these dark figures around a man. It
looks like they're either holding each other off or they're not holding hands, like
they're like intertwined, right, yeah, yeah, they are intertwined. And
then in the center a man on fire walking. So yeah, just it
is full of strange paintings like this. But so the painting that Lupe was
looking at at this moment, it was it was creepy, to say the
least to say the least. Yes. So it was covered in red.
It had a clock. Inside the clock there was a man and behind the
man a group of children, and it looked like they were behind him hiding
from something. And then in the corner of the painting of the mural there's
a nurse and she looks mean and she's looking at the children and this man
in her way of the children. So that's the painting that she was looking
at. That was like why is this here? So she just got this
very creepy feeling from it. It's like, this is weird. I'm gonna
go. So she turned around to walk away. But when she turned around,
she saw a boy peeking out of one of the rooms. He had
red hair, his face was bandaged, and he beckoned to her to come
to where he was. And like I would have been like fuck that,
but she went. I would to wave bye bye, like bless you little
little boy. But I can't come. I can't follow you. I can't
go there. I cannot Yeah, but she went. She went. When
she got inside the room, it was dark. Well, first she went
to the door and she peecked inside and it was dark. And then for
some reason, she still went inside the room because she didn't see the boy.
So she's like, where do you Maybe he's inside the room, Like
maybe I need to go in at again? Not me, better she went
and so inside it was cold, empty, dark, The boy was nowhere
to be seen. The temperature dropped, and she's like, okay, I
need to get out of heatly and she turned around to leave, and then
when she turned to you know, walk to the door, the boy was
standing there blocking the door. He was wearing a hospital gown. He looked
not alive anymore, you know, pale, ghostly. Oh my god,
and he laughed and reached out his hand, and then she was like front
in fear, about to pass out, and then he disappeared, Oh my
god. And she booked it out of the room. When she when she
ran down the hall, that mural she had been looking at, she didn't
see it, like it was like gone. But she's like whatever, I
don't even care. I'm I'm out of here, and uh yeah, very
creepy. There's another legend about was Pecioas and this legend explains the deaths,
but not the clock. Really, I don't know what's going on with the
clock. So according to this legend, the devil wasn't waiting to take the
kids. It was an evil non nurse named Eva. Well, this would
make sense with the other story, with the picture she saw or the mural
she saw with the nun. Yes, so, Eva had been at Opcios
for years and it was noble work. But even then there was some kids
that could not be saved. Ev I believed that some kids were better off
in heaven, and she was saving the kids by helping them get there faster
ship Themuck up, I'm not that's what she said. Okay, that's what
the legend says. She said she didn't know how many kids she had sent
to her Lord and Savior Jesus Christ the Father, what the fuck? But
she was proud of her work. Most of the time. She used a
pillow to send the six kids to heaven, but sometimes she swayed from her
from her M m O, if you will. Yeah. So there was
a little boy who had been sick for quite some time, and she didn't
want to wait to see if he'd get better. She was like, no,
he's forsaken. I need to save him. So she used poison on
little red haired Benito m and it was taking longer for him to die than
usual. He was getting weaker, but he was still alive. She went
to go check on him, and so when she walked away, she heard
the clock chiming, and she walked over to the clock and was looking at
it, and then it stopped. It stopped, didn't stop ticking. And
as soon as it stopped hurt ticking, she heard screams coming from inside,
and she was like, oh, the other nuns found Benito. He's probably
dead by now. But she was no surprise to her because she was waiting
for him to die. Yeah, And so no one knows what happened to
Eva. A few days after Benito died, she was found dead next to
the clock tower. Right, that's what I think, That's what I suspect.
And to this day, people who visit was Spisoca Vannaz see the apparition
of a red headed boy, as well as a group of children together like
running and they disappear or they're standing in a corner, all of them together.
The kids always have black eyes so much worse. People also hear disembodied
giggles and cries. Very creepy. I want to go there, though I
do. I mean I'm sure we won't see her hear anything if we go,
but let's take her mom. Yeah, well she'll tell us what exactly
go right. Well, not you, unfortunately, And I wish you could
come with us. But my mom, my brother, and sister in law
and the children were all going. And my sister in law she loves to
shop and be out and about more than the rest of us, I think,
and our brother too. Yeah. And so they're talking about wanting to
go to San juandadios, and I'm like, well, going to the market.
I want to go to Ospicias. Yeah, so we'll see. I'm
hoping. But all the all the little haunted places are all nearby each other,
so, like, like I said, little pals, I think it's
like around the same area too. So I'm like, I want to go
to one or the other and take pictures. Yeah, the museum would be
easy. Maybe make a log out of it, like a traveling one.
Wow. Yeah, the museum would be easy. We'll see. I have
hopes only there for like six days, so who knows. Yeah, it's
hard to do stuff. Yeah, yeah, so I'm hoping to go there
though I do want to. But yeah, that was a and We're going
to take a quick at break before we go to the other two places.
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of Cow's cow palace, I guess makes some sense. Yeah. So in
the inteen nineties, Segundo Dias, the cousin of Mexico's president slash dictator Portfvidio
Porfirio Diaz m hm, he built a mansion on Caye de San Felipe in
the heart of the city, the center of Guadalajara. I've seen that street,
you have, Okay, well, I mean it's it. I think
it's one of the main streets. So construction on the home began in eighteen
fifty and it ended in nineteen ten, the same year as the Mexican Revolution.
So but I saw that as Bacas had twenty four rooms, two dining
rooms, a chapel, quatro patios, four patios, beautiful gardens in them,
and ten bathrooms. And I want to say, if only I had
like one of those bathrooms, one of those extra bathrooms in my house.
You usually need one more, I know. Anyway, Yeah, ten bathrooms
and it was on a big chunk of land as well. Segundodias also commissioned
murals from Diego Rivera and Jose Clemente Orosco who did a lot of the Ospizio
Gavagas murals as well, so tying that in with special covenes and Segas wanted
to build the mansion to marry a tapatia, a beautiful tapatia and those were
his words, not mine, Like that's what it says when you look up
the info. Interesting. Yeah, and so he got the dream home,
but he did not get the dream He never married. Yeah. When it's
funny because it was like an English newspaper that was talking about going to Palasaccas
and they wrote a beautiful tapatia and then in parentheses they defined it, so
it's like a beautiful woman from Laa. Wow. So yeah, he never
married, and he did live in the palace for some time before passing away.
When Segundodias died, the property was sold to his brother, Miguel Dias,
and he converted the land into a dairy farm. From palace to dairy
farm Okay, Yeah, he let his cows roam free, and this is
when it got the nickname Palasovacas. Wow. Eventually he did sell the property
and then the cow palace was used as a school for girls, and then
in elementary school, then a high school, then a theater, then an
upholstery place, and apparently at some point it might have been a brothel as
well. Interesting, lots of lifetimes. It's lived a lot of lives.
It has, it really has. When the first time it was used as
the school, it was the first girls school in Hally School. Wow.
And at some point a woman who owned the building she wanted to turn it
into a parking lot, but the city of Guadalajada would not let her because
it was such a historic building. Like, you can't just destroy it,
makes sense? Makes sense? Yeah, So they finally for once put a
stop to capitalism, thank you? Yes, so because they didn't let her,
then she plugged all the down spouts with cement. The fuck is wrong
with this bait with the hope that the weight of the water would cause the
building to collapse. Oh my fucking god, I know it didn't happen,
but a lot of the murals were damaged. After the damage, it fell
into disrepair and it was like abandoned for a little bit. That happened in
the nineteen seventies. So yeah, it was now abandoned in disarray, and
locals believed that Oh no, sorry, I'm going to backtrack a little bit.
That happened. The building was damaged and then it was abandoned. In
the nineteen seventies, a different owner tried to buy it to destroy it,
to demolish it and put something else there, and for some reason, it
just never happened. The job was left unfinished and no one knows why.
And people, locals started believing that the building could not be destroyed because spirits
had moved into it. Oh, they were making a new life there and
that's why it couldn't be destroyed. So the property was then sold two times
to Americans who had big plans for the once grand Power dairy farm, school,
brothel, you know all his lives at one point, the Mirror family
from California, you know, like John Muir m u I R yeah,
Like I feel like everyone in California knows who they are. They owned it
at some point. Then a man named John Davis bought it as well after
that at some point, and then he went broke trying to restore it.
So I guess briefly, it also was a cafe, and it was very
well known for its very good cheese cake. I love cheesecake. I know,
it's my favorite cake. It's actually the only cake I like. Well,
first of all, it's a pie. It has the word cake in
it. Okay, it's not cake. I've never thought of cheesecake as cake
though, I don't think it's like and why the fuck does it have the
name cake? Just because whatever bunt cake is good? Oh, which one
is bunt cake? Well, they make like different flavors and stuff, but
I think it's like a kind. And of course I'm no baker, but
I've tasted. There's this place called Nothing They bun cakes. What a cute
name. And I haven't gone there, but I've I've tried stuff from there
because like they'll take it to my husband's work or like to my work,
and they make like these cupcakes that are made like bun whatever style that is
and delicious. So but I just got called it like not too moist but
not dry, because that's what I don't like about cake, And that's why
I don't like that, just because it's too moist. I only like one
reslegus cake and it's from a bakery by my house called Marthi's Bakery, and
they make a Cageta relegue cake. It's the only one to get cake for
my children's birthdays because it is the only cake I will get for them because
I like it. Oh, of course that's a little selfish. I don't
care. Okay, how do we get here? Cheesecake? Yes? It
was once it placed known for cheesecake. Yeah, so but this bakery's gone
correct, Yeah, it's gone. It's not there anymore. It's a museum
now, no bakery known for cheesecake. Because sorry, I'm gonna keep talking
about cheesecake for a second year. Me and my friend and my friend Lauda
and I don't know if you remember this, but we went to when you
used to work at Chicken Bar, and we went there to eat cheesecake there,
do you remember. So then we supposedly had made it a point,
we were calling it our cheesecake Adventures, where we were gonna go try cheesecake
from a bunch of places. Wow, I do not remember this well.
I didn't remember either until she texted me or she sent me a IG video
of some other some country and there was a huge line because the cheesecake's amazing
apparently, and she's like, should we resume our cheesecake adventures? And I
was like, hold up, And then that's when I remembered everything. And
also she told me we had cheesecake adventures. I didn't know. Yes,
yeah, we should resume them, right, mm hmm. So then that's
why I was asking if this bakery was still there, because it sounds like
I need to go there for a cheesecake adventure. I wish, I wish.
Okay, no more cheesecake talk. Okay, done, I'm done.
Back to the episode, when it was a cafe known for its cheesecake.
The cafe conducted tours of the upper floors of the palace. How cool,
yeah, and it had not been restored. It was still in very poor
condition, and during these tours, visitors claimed to see shadow people or hear
do somebody's screams, and the shadows and screams. They all appeared to be
children, all come from children, so sad, and some have theorized that
the ghosts and screams belonged to children who attended the former school that was there,
while others believed that it was just children who played in the building when
it was abandoned and then like died accidentally in the building. Both makes sense.
Yeah, and even today neighbors claim the house make strange sounds and they
can hear the cries and screams of children in the palace is closed, So
what is it now? Can you tour? Yeah, it's a museum.
Oh okay, you probably said it and I missed it. Then that was
my next sentence ahead and said it. Yet Yeah, it's open to visitors.
It was closed for a little bit in twenty twenty because of the pandemic,
and then after in twenty twenty one it opened only on Sundays. But
now it's opened every day from two to ten pm. And it's a museum.
You can go look at the cause. Again, there's beautiful paintings.
It was the same guy who did those Pio paintings. So yeah, that's
what it is today, Okay, And I have one more. Do you
have time? I do have time. Okay. So this other place,
the last one we're doing, is known as La Casa del Trebol Negro or
Clover Lawn or what clover clover? Oh okay, yeah, clover Lawn,
and it's located in Colonia Americana, in Guadalajara. I don't think I've been
in that area. No, the name clover Lawn, it comes from an
engraved like the fence. The entrance to the house is engraved and it says
clover Lawn on it. Oh and then that translated is Trebon Negro. Okay,
so it was. It was built by Lord Duncan Cameron, a minor
member of British nobility. I don't know him. So sounds like a colonizer.
Oh, one hundred percent. The only thing I know about British nobility
comes from when I edit Vulgar History podcast. Oh yeah, so I don't
know much about them. So each room has a hand painted black clover in
it because Lord Duncan wanted his family to remember their heritage when they were in
this land that is not theirs. He then had his oldest son, George
Duncan, mary a Mexican woman named Rosefina Rivera. She was the daughter of
a wealthy family from Durango. They got married, they had four kids,
and a legend tells that for some unknown reason, the daughter, their eldest
teenage daughter, died by suicide in her own bedroom. And after this happened,
Hostefina took the kids and left George. We don't know why that happened,
according to legend. Okay, the after she left, George let the
house go into disarray, and then he eventually died. The next owner about
the house with the hopes of restoring it, but then it never happened,
and instead he snapped for some reason and killed his entire family and then himself.
The next owner, the next owner, Yes, wow, what the
have Yeah, sounds like it's something in the place, okay, right right,
and I'm sorry. You might be able to hear Sammy a little bit
the outside. Yeah, Yeah, he's outside the door trying to come in.
We'll just yeah, we'll just have to live with that. Power through
yeah, power through thank you. In the house, there's a fountain with
four children in it, and it said that those were George Sunkin's kids,
like they inspired the fountain, and there's no stories of the fountain, the
kids coming to life, or anything like that, which I think would have
been great for me. Yeah, but there is a rumor, an urban
legend that one of the schools in the fountain is real. Yeah. Wow,
I don't think it's true. It's a fun like little urban legend,
but very creepy. According to neighbors and eyewitnesses. In the early hours of
the morning, one can hear hear screams coming from the house and see shadows
through the windows. A woman in white has been seen lurking around the property
at night as well, and according to some people, blood oozes out of
the walls. Yikes. And yeah, people avoid the area the house,
they walk around it if they have to walk on the street across the other
side. Makes sense. And yeah, that was La Casa, the Negro,
the Clover Lawn house. Do you know if you're remains like empty still
or what I think? So it's not like a place open to the public
like the other places, like they're not museums or anything. Oh okay,
mm hmm, So yeah, I think it remains close interesting. Interesting.
So yeah, that brings us to the end of the episode. What a
fun episode. I have been waiting for an episode like this for a long
time. Me too, Me too. I still like the other episode,
so I'm not gonna I don't want you to think that I don't. No,
I do too. But it's been a while since we did this.
Yeah, yeah, so yeah, we went back to our roots for this
one. Anyway, before we go, any spooky recommendations, Nope, no,
okay, yeah no. I haven't really listened to anything or watch anything
new since the last time we recorded, so no, okay. I'm trying
to think if I did, but I don't think I have either. I
have been working, I've been busy. I've been busy writing episodes of horror
Story. I do recommend that it's very fun. We just did Sorry you
can hear My Child. We just did one on Linda Vista Hospital and there
was a couple of creepy stories I came across that I had not heard about
the hospital, so that was very fun. I recommend it because they're creepy.
I'm gonna check it out. I haven't listened to this week's or the
most recent episode. I mean, m yeah, you should. It's good.
It's a good one. But I think that's probably my only recommendation,
because yeah, I haven't been watching or doing anything because I had no free
time. I guess I don't know what I've been doing. Oh you know
what, it's because I've been whenever I do have free time, I've been
listening to the Bones Booth podcast. That's why I'm on season five of their
recap episodes. Now, wow, wow, I don't know what I've been
listening to. Randomally, I was because so I've only been I was listening
last time recommended the book No My Name, and I haven't even listened that
much to that. I still have, I mean, like the last chapter
and I haven't I've only listened to a little bit of it. So I'm
like trying to think of what I've been listening to and I don't really even
know. But I was driving the other day and then randomly, like I
hadn't even opened or I opened Spotify, but I hadn't clicked on an episode
it or not and usually it plays the last thing I listened to, and
it randomly started playing el episode of Estodia's Unknown. Wow. Weird, like
a sign from the universe, And I was like, I was like,
I think the universe is telling me that I need to listen to this again,
and so I did. Yeah, it's so depressing but important, And
that's the most recent thing I listened to. Yeah, yeah, oh yeah,
sounds a wite right. Anyway, on that note, to check out
our history podcast called The Estodias Unknown, where we talk about Latin American history,
sometimes horrible things like massacres, other times happier things like heroic dogs,
but all Latin American more often than not horrible things. So yeah, yeah,
that's true. We also have a tele novela I mean rewatch podcasts where
we rewatch episodes of TETSA and recap them, laugh, admire, have fun,
yeah, have fun. Yeah. And then we also gossip gossip about
internet things at the end of that, and you can find that on YouTube.
I've been forgetting to add the links. We accidentally had a video go
set my Meani tiny viral and I did not like it. I almost was
like, should we just not do this anymore? It was scary, Honestly,
I'm like, let's give up. Yeah, I had the same thoughts.
We talked about girl defined and if you know, you know, there's
no time to explain. Yeah, yeah, funny thing. I need to
talk about defund the's again next time. So, oh, I'm so scary.
I'm sorry. I can't stop anyway. That that is on YouTube.
You can find it chronically online. Con that's our YouTube Internet cheez my podcast.
Yes, I'm scared to do sometimes it is scary. You can also
find us as Spooky Tails on YouTube. Some other newer videos will be on
there, and or the newer videos are on there. And I've been meaning
to record some other things. That's just me, but it just hasn't happened.
We will do our book club our episode soon. I have not written
it. Oh my god, I'm so sorry to everyone. Our next book
club episode is Vampires of norte By. And yeah, on that note,
we will end the episode. I guess watch out for a little red haired
boy. If a little red hair boy beckons you into a room, do
not follow. Don't follow Benito. Don't follow Benito. No, only Benito
to follow is bad, bunny. Except when you was talking shit about Elogi,
I don't like that. He's done a lot of problematic things we can't
get into right now. Yeah, yeah, that's the least of it.
Probably, Like that time he said that people from Ada that they can't dance.
Oh I didn't even know he said that, yeah, and then he
went and got with Kendall Jenner right, oh yeah, yeah Candelada as they
were calling her. Yes, yes, and famously can't dance. So yeah
yeah. So anyway, no time, you gotta go, stay spooky and
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