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Welcome to mid Rats with found from
Commander Salamander, an Eagle one from Eagle

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Speak at Seer Shore your home for
a discussion of national security issues and all

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things maritime. Hey, and welcome
aboard everybody. Glad to have you here

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with us after the perst time we've
been live in about a month because we

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had technical difficulties, had Emma on
and then we've had a couple of weeks

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off to go take care of business. But now we're back and welcome aboard.

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Glad to have everybody on board with
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with us lot, joining us live. I would like to extend the invitation

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as always if you want to roll
into the chat room. We got nec

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rape out and Steve and are also
there ready to greet you. This is

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one of our ever popular Melee formats, which means my illustrious co host and

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I we have our list of things
that we want to talk about, but

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hey, you might have a few
topics that you want to bring in as

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well, and we'll just go ahead
and dive right into that Eagle one.

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Happy made to you. Well,
thank you very much. It's it's nice

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to be back, Kat, It's
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that we don't have any studio software
problems like we did before, So you

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know, that's that's our excuse for
not being able to do a pre recording

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to fix all of our errors.
So what you hear is what you get.

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The world has not stopped since we
did our last Melee format and all

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sorts of goodies going on. I
guess probably because it's what's been in the

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highlight in the headlines recently, though
perhaps not hit what everybody else is talking

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about. But talk about the maritime
aspect of it. Let's chat for a

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little bit about a little bespoke capability
that the Army of all places did,

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and we talked about it when they
started chug chugging across the Atlantic and the

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Mediterranean to get there. But the
Army watercraft, which by the way,

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the Army tried to get rid of
in twenty nineteen until they were forced to

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keep it, actually managed to build
their peer and Israeli controlled Gaza. And

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I think whatever people might say about
the wisdom of doing that or why they

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are doing that when other things haven't
taken place first, I think you have

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to give tip of the hat to
the warrant officer, skippers of the Army,

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voats and the people between Cyprus and
ashore there in Gaza that managed to

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get put together, including interruption by
a storm. Well done, everybody.

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It's good to see that capability actually
done in a real world expeditionary uh method.

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Yeah, it's been interesting. I'm
glad they got it done. And

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it also should be a lesson for
the Army, the Navy, and the

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and Congress, because if it takes
forever to get the equipment over there and

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in the ocean that is smaller than
the Pacific, uh, and the you

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know, what in the world are
we going to do if we have to

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do the same sort of thing on
the other side of the world, that

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that ought to be a uh ought
to be a real big warning to the

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people who are doing the planning stuff. Yeah. I think it's also occasionally,

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UH, history will be nice to
you and give you a hit cappy

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on the shoulder, nudge you in
a direction it wants you to look that

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you might otherwise overlook. And like
I mentioned that the Navy used to have

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two amphibious construction battalions. Last year
we got rid of the East Coast version

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of that. Imagine that, and
the Army tried to get rid of this

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capability, and it's clear that our
allies don't have this capability, and everybody

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since President Obama over a decade ago
announced our Pacific pivot. The only people

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that really have started to take action
on that, again a controversial topic about

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how they're doing it, but give
them credit for released movement has been the

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Marine Corps on what we need to
do to operate west of the International Dateline

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in the Pacific. We don't have
to reinvent the wheel. We fought a

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pretty successful World War there, just
outside a living memory. But the islands

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haven't changed. The logistics move faster, but it's just as demanding, just

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as challenging, especially when you look
at what the Marines want to do from

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island to island, and the fact
that the People's Republic of China has the

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ability to reach out and touch you
via their conventional ballistic missiles and other means

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capabilities, being able to go to
places and doing what we've done off Gossam.

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It's not just the fact that we
need one Navy Amphibious Construction battalion and

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the Army have one group of watercraft
that can chug chug their way. But

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I think, like you said,
especially in the Pacific, the distances are

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a bear. How do you get
there faster? And you need more of

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it. You know, having one
or two isn't going to cut the mustard

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against somebody like that the People's Republic
of China. It's a capability that might

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not be real sexy, it might
not look good on a PowerPoint slide,

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but you can also look at I
remember after the last Haitian disaster about ten

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years ago, we talked about the
unique capabilities and phibious forces can bring ashore.

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You know, there is also plenty
of uses for those capabilities in peace

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time, but at wartime you can't
reconstitute that. You can't find a dozen

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army warrant officers that know how to
drive a ship and a bunch of soldiers

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who know how to do that.
Nor can you reach in and grab a

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bunch of of sailors off the street
and say, hey, we're going to

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teach you how to do this.
It's kind of like Riverine. It's a

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capability you have to maintain and maybe
this will start a conversation. I don't

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know, but it is a nice, real world example, and I think

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there actually are a couple of ability
ways to do this better, but it

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just hasn't been funded. So we, as in many things, we have

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what we have. Yeah, you
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all around there their uh sphere of
influence if you will, and you know

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that's there, that's their big deal. They don't they don't get they're not

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gonna have to deal with UH and
with having to you know, move this

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stuff across the Pacific are already out
there. The Marines. I think it's

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an interesting approach because their idea is
we're gonna we're going to run, among

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other things, Narco like uh Narco's
submarine like vessels in there to resupply and

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and allow them to move. And
then they have these UH light l S

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T thing what're we call those things? Uh to enable them to move from

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island to island, know though they
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you know, it's it's somebody's thinking
about marine seemed to be a little head

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of the power curve. Maybe the
maybe the idea of some of these uh

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you know, l cacts over the
rising kind of capability where you don't have

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to have a peer system and maybe
that will Maybe that says, well,

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we don't need to be you know, as concerned is I get what I

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figure out, well, how are
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you know, maybe it's the same
maybe they've got maybe maybe we think we

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have capabilities that are go arounds and
not have to deal with like some OFMI

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permanent but a fixed a fixed asset. Yeah, it's again nice world world,

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real world capability. I guess the
follow up question here is how robust

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is that to stay in place for
exce length of time. I don't I

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don't know where such capability has been
left in place for an extended period of

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time. I guess it's got a
capability there, But you also have exce

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length of time in that part of
the Mediterranean that you could do something like

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that. I don't see a permanent
peer anytime soon, but if the Israeli

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ground forces can wrap things up,
then uh maybe uh other other other ways

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can be found to bring in this. It's you know, it is a

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good lesson to to be thinking of
welters. And as I recall, the

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med has uh little or no tide
issues, so it's not like they're dealing

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with a bay of fundi or something
in this particular location. You know,

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it's It's also I look at the
various uh the price US where you live

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more than I do, but the
various docks that people have for their yachts

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and stuff in Florida and and along
the US East coast. So you know,

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possible just to tow a bunch of
those things over there and drive piles

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in and and have some kind of
floating peer system is probably less complicated than

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what we do. All right,
Sal, you you see, have disconnected

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yourself and you're coming back. I
think. Meanwhile, you dumped me out

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of the chat room. It's the
fun. Can can anybody else chat room

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hear me speak? Because I don't. Hello, Steven, can you hear

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me? You can hear me?
Well, this Sal did something. He

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disconnected us. We'll talk about some
other things. I think one of the

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things we were going to talk about
what's going on with the Philippines. It's

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important that we discussed that because it
is a place where we have an agreement

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in place with the Philippine government to
if the conditions are right for us to

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coming on their side. And the
Chinese are getting more and more aggressive and

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going after the the the Philippines,
and you know they're there now there's a

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discussion about them building a new island
within the the Philippines Exclusive Economic Zone.

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And you know they trailed they trailed
the U. S. Philippines exercise recently.

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It's a it's a real uh thing
to keep an eye on there because

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that's a mess. Now, are
you back? Well, that's substitute debate

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is by all the better? Now? Uh? You still if you wait,

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wheel your head around, you cut
out every now and then. Okay,

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Uh, evidently, uh something's going
on here. But I will not

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to wiggle my head at all.
But I shipped to my secondary net.

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Hopefully you're getting at least eight out
of ten and of my BIPs got something.

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Steven asked a question over a chat
just so you know we're actually watching

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it. He's some rumors that they're
going to cancel the Constellation class. I

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haven't heard any of those rumors.
I do know that because they went from

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having eighty commonality having fifteen commonality,
there is some cost increases and delays to

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the rate because we just forgot how
to build ships. But I don't I

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haven't heard anything substainable about canceling it. Uh, and I don't think we

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can really afford to it at the
stage of the game unless we're just going

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to have a fleet of but Arley
Berg, Yeah, I don't know,

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haven't heard anything either, So you
know, I room so I don't get

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everybody that don't get everybody stirred up
the h And you know, the second

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man was in front of Congress recently
and they were pinging on him pretty hard

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about about kind of like I think
they were suggesting that he was not payingful

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attention to the the developed needs of
the Navy and and the areas of ship

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building and and and all that,
but was more devoted to climate change than

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he needed to be, which he
vigorously denied. So it's you know that

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I think that that's a good sign
that people are actually taking an interest in

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what the Navy is up to,
and and that they were willing to push

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on him a little bit too,
and he pushed back. I mean,

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we're more credit to him. He
didn't. He didn't roll over and play

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and play a dead on him.
He was he was responding to the to

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the challenges issued and you know,
but it isn't it is a problem we've

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got. We've got all kinds of
conflicting forces driving what's happening to our to

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our navy and to our maritime industry. And it was it's good to see

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that some of the congress people were
actually senators. Actually we're actually picking up

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a little bit. It's a pretty
good article and political about it, which

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I won't think too here shart Hey. That was it's good as he is

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congressional back like that. We need
that. But you know, it's twenty

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twenty four. That really needed to
start taking place in only twenty twenty one,

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because you know, he is able
appointee and he's told to emphasize certain

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things, but that doesn't mean he
should get a pass on it. And

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there are a lot of domestic politics
that even if he did have to give

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a little bit of attention to that, it shouldn't have gotten the percentage of

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play that it actually did. I
always as a barometer that not just what

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they talk about in Congress, but
what they put up in the Navy YouTube

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channel, and it just wasn't what
it needed to be for a long time.

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And he he you can tell that
he was a little threads there he's

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there's probably a lot in election year
going on the background. He had a

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few strong statements towards some of our
the people in the maritime sphere. So

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he's turned out, which is good. But there were one little stat that

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he really pushed back on it.
He kind of stepped on a rake,

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is uh, and I'm I'm not
interested in arguing the It was about who's

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getting how many jabs and stuff,
but the topic give it up because there

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were thirty five hundred sailors. I
think it was sailors and not sailors in

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marine. I could be a mistaken
anyway, I think it's just sailors.

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Thirty one father who was separated because
they didn't want to take the COVID vaccine,

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and they add an apology and in
a way, but they invited them

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to come back in and he said
that very interesting. He said two of

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the thirty five hundred came back,
which in my mind really one beg to

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question. In two a real open
research opportunity for people, whether they're inside

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or outside military. So that's two
thousand and four hundred and ninety eight people

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who said no. Who interviewed those
people to find out why they said no,

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to find out what the common dread
is here. It's because of the

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ecity, is that the fact that
they were glad we were giving an opportunity

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to pursue excellent elsewhere. Uh,
it's just really interesting to find out why

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only two people came back. That
exit interview type of thing, same idea

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you do in the civilian sector to
find out a lot about where your organization

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is underperforming. By doing exit interviews, you have a certain percentage of them

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you just ignore because it's pretty obvious
hr professionals how to tell who's being bitter

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and angle and making excuses. But
a sit like this, where the reason

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for separation is pretty dark clear,
you would probably get a pretty good data

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set of honest back and forth from
people. When looking at recruiting problems and

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retention problems like two did I would
not have expected that number to be small.

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But I'm just caut optimist ideas well. You know, I think people

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get a little mad. They get
a little mad that they you know,

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they take uh, a stand that's
based on whatever reasons they gave, and

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they were told those reasons were out
of it, and they got then they

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got bounced out. You know,
I don't. I can't imagine. I

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can't imagine that they were not angry
enough not to come back, you know,

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especially if there's other work available to
them. So uh, you know,

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it's a it's a that's a that's
an own goal as far as I'm

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decided you didn't need those people to
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that message loud and clear, whatever
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not letting them back. But it's
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and other people have started to really
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put on the uh, I'll put
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for those that are capturing and kept
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a nice little digestive document and one
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ask the question people, especially who
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who in Comngress is there to have
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of this turn, so there's even
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the list, but we have four
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from Florida, one from California,
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Marco Ruber Rubio and Congressman Waltz and
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of throwing a put a shade on
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sniff document, but it does have
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lots of big rafts. It's got
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it gets boilted down to Texas about
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it had some good stuff on it. If for no reason, it builds

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up a conversation. It is written
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have to accept in there. But
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have to read it before people hearing
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is trying to have two hundred and
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States. We need a national marine
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nice quotes, but I'm always interested
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they know the problem. They also
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to have the chief executives go in
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more than anybody else, has to
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have could be cure, if not
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focus. And we have some people
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to look at. They have strateiquic
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do. Now of those ten,
really only saw eight, maybe I only

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saw the three that were but just
a teaching objective they had they outlawed there

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were two things that uh I said, yeah, co that's you. This

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is what Congress can do. A
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is static, but if you look
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are third one under a maritime prosperity
they had quote revitalized US flagged international seat

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through targeted incentive programs and regulatory reforms
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Quote Congress over to you and under
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third bullet that thought was the most
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they're doing right here and what we've
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it. But quote encourage public outreach
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are critical national security and that mad
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is actually the other one is just
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not just in Conish but our uniform
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and tell our stories. Is just
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where we are relative to our primary
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being entitled complacent. A lot of
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relative stance in the world. What
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on the open seat because they haven't
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the they have ten things Congress can
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list here, and one of them
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if wanted position to synchronize all national
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yeah, and if you know,
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little bit further, I would take
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the Department of Defense. I think
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to deal with the maritime affairs.
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if you want to call them a
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to get to be able to push
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this stuff done. Talked about it
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the quarter of the twenty first theory, our military is run by actions nineteen

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forty nine and nineteen eighty six.
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There's so much inertia. It's almost
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our structures are you know, were
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a certain point in time. And
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important point in time, it wasn't
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nothing human is, it becomes less
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in patches. You put in an
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to them. They become a creche
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out apartment in navy. Under God, we don't build cars like we did

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in nineteen sixty nine in nineteen eighty
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infrastructure in the same way? Now? Who in Congress has the ability and

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have to do it? Uh?
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four names we have Plse, Kelly
Rudo, and Gary mindy Uh. I

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know there are other people who would
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that bureaucracy DC is so big,
and people who are vested in present everything

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from acquisitions to how the joint chief
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their jobs tied up in it.
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really special people with really good staff
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be done. You know. We
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You know, here we are,
we thought we had selected the low

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risk of of doing a play catch
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We'll go take uh e euro frigate, put a stamp on it to get

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at least trot one light one where
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running in production. Hold, we
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see bureauxy behold of it is.
We're building a brand new ship that has

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none of the advantages of the previous
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has to be built. That's another
evidence that the system we have in place

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is not doing its job. Okay, so what do you do if it

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won't perform itself from the inside.
It won't, as we've seen, it's

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got to come from the outside.
The only way it's going to come out

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from the outside is how it's done
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thing Congress can do, right now
that's that's the start. Yeah, well

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I would I would hope they get
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all the maritime interests we have.
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the coast Guard, we have a
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now when they're working for Department of
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be you know that that is not
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and there's no reason it can't be
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pretty vigorous voice, uh to push
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the Iranian Iranian president silicopter crashing as
your bite on or someplace, and they've

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got a little trouble trying to figure
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or even finding him. So it's
it's it's not that I wish him ill,

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but but uh, yeah, well
it would be exciting to see how

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robust the Iranian government is. I
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it is. I don't know if
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they we heal a lot about how
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the ring of the Malas, but
it doesn't seem significant. So how I'm

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going to replace him? You know? And one of which we have of

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by our system and most of our
allies. You know, the American are

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the French to stick with? The
republics? Are you know? The German?

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You know they have a prime minter
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control. But if the US or
the Mexican president had an unpointed reaction with

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a tree in a helicopter, we
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spend within minute and take charge and
carry out the planet the place, so

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to speak. Other countries do not
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that very well. I'm curious whether
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Jehan that this is one of the
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Aaza and everything people have been saying
about what's happening in Daza, where is

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all these similar app rage about what's
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what you Armenians have an already booked
to Armenia propper as defined by the Soviet

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Union's lines. Uh, It's it's
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exactly. They're not killing millions of
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pushed out, are being lensed,
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They're all refugees again. So it
was very interesting why they were flying

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into Verjeon, whether it's related to
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intermediary in the case, that would
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try to do something with it,
but I don't think she can be described

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as a neutral player. Is Plus
the fact that the very population of Iran

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proper I could be wronger maybe when
you're when you're talking next to Google it,

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but I think it's about I mean, fifteen to twenty percent of the

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actual Iran the whole Iranian population are
ethnic Azeri's, so you know, there

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might be other other reasons to go
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that news had me scratching my head. Uh not that I I wish instability

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at ill will on millions of people, but there is opportunity in chaos if

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you want to see how resilient that
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with the mortals. That would be
how they transition and how that new person

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is select them how quickly I think
be a good tell for everybody who's doing

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the Iranian vision of old will win
watching. Yeah, it's uh, you

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know, it's just kind of a
side light of what's going on in the

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world. But it's kind of interesting
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matters, the Wall Street Journal on
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undersea cable vulnerability. We've discussed that
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take a look at it, and
it's another one of those issues that ought

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to be covered in the in the
maritime affairs or what are we going to

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call this new department that I would
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the US Navy trying to look out
through these cables which belong mostly to private

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corporations and what they've The reason for
the concern is because these companies have been

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using Chinese owned maintenance vessels too to
repair cables. But now some of those

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Chinese vessels of according to a Secretary
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Submarine Systems appearing appeared to be hiding
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services, which officials and the State
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I have a pretty the explanation.
They're hiding because they don't want us

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to know where they are and what
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to be a claude bearbet to weave
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repair and maintenance ships putting all interesting
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That's that shocking, you know,
speaking of Congressional report and how many youth

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companies. It's why anybody would trust
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wild way out of here and out
of most of you know, and he

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can't ault the Chinese either. We're
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of and they might as well take
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it. That's amazing. There's been
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has been additional interest and attention being
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pipelines or cables. But as we
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guests, people underestimate in our technological
driven era that they think everything goes by

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satellites, and a lot does go
by satellites, but what's under, what's

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outing relatively unprotected across the sea beds
in international waters undergirds much of our modern

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society, and since war Spanish American
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we but sailors are shore with some
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has been a viable way they wore. And there's perfectly legitimate that once things

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initiate, you go out there and
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your enemy. And it would a
lot of people talk about what would happen

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if an EMP will But if you
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a new but you want to add
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see a war game. If you
take take don't take a hundred percent.

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Just say you know, between thirty
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all of a sudden became inoperable,
How impact our economy? How to impact

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our ability to communicate with each other, both military and civilian? That I

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haven't seen where, but would be
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very appears to be are easier than
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the most notable points were where those
cables came ashore. But you know,

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a deep a d show open deep
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we all to talk about Randy from
from from a scrape. Britain has asked

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a question about the what we think
about the UK's message is going to build

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twenty five new already has apparently committed
to buying twenty five building twenty five new

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warship type things. Have you have
you got? Have you been keeping up

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for that? Are you a fan
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to one person showed him the money. I want to buy a new druck

407
00:36:51.559 --> 00:36:54.880
every year. But but he's out
therefore, I haven't seen where they've they've

408
00:36:54.960 --> 00:37:04.719
made the monetary venues to make it
happen that that was great? It would

409
00:37:06.480 --> 00:37:10.000
you know? We also that we're
going to build the two Zoomaball class dgs.

410
00:37:10.559 --> 00:37:15.320
We built three, uh, John
cinecal on my part and the UK

411
00:37:15.920 --> 00:37:24.039
is they may have a change in
leadership and like like Emma said of our

412
00:37:24.119 --> 00:37:30.199
last head rats, the Labor Party
has been saying some some good things,

413
00:37:30.880 --> 00:37:38.920
but traditionally they transition from a conservative
to a labor government. Don't see a

414
00:37:38.960 --> 00:37:46.800
massive increase in shipping and uh from
uh, my understanding is that as far

415
00:37:46.840 --> 00:37:52.639
as worship construction goes, it's almost
all in the Gotland. You don't thread

416
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around what I have here in the
States. I know you have some pair

417
00:37:54.559 --> 00:37:59.719
facilities and Portsmouth maybe some other places
I don't have. I just saw an

418
00:37:59.800 --> 00:38:01.079
article a couple of weeks ago to
talk about, yeah, we build it

419
00:38:01.079 --> 00:38:07.880
there in Scotland. So how much
support would they have in Parliament for labor

420
00:38:08.480 --> 00:38:15.360
SMP to the left labor, So
I don't know whether there they are yeah

421
00:38:15.480 --> 00:38:19.880
more than well, well yeah,
the article look at it says that they've

422
00:38:19.960 --> 00:38:23.239
already committed to increase the defense spending
up to two point five percent of GDP,

423
00:38:23.960 --> 00:38:28.440
which has been ratified by the government, and that you know, this

424
00:38:28.679 --> 00:38:31.440
is to build at least twenty five
new ships, maybe twenty eight ships and

425
00:38:31.519 --> 00:38:37.079
submarines. Uh and you know includes
the type twenty six and type of thirty

426
00:38:37.119 --> 00:38:42.199
one frigates which they're going to equip
with land attack mistals, so among other

427
00:38:42.320 --> 00:38:45.280
things. So you know, I
mean Ward knows that I'm glad to see

428
00:38:45.320 --> 00:38:50.320
that they're paying attention. You talk
about a maritime power, uh, and

429
00:38:50.440 --> 00:38:54.000
a country that, with the exception
of the chunnel, has no you know,

430
00:38:54.440 --> 00:38:58.559
they're surrounded by water. You think
they would be a lot more a

431
00:38:58.639 --> 00:39:01.039
lot less seam lined. So maybe
this is a sun that they're waking up.

432
00:39:02.400 --> 00:39:07.480
That would be great because the rest
of our NATO partners are land bouts

433
00:39:08.239 --> 00:39:15.000
uh, Germany in France especially and
a full in is own steroids, which

434
00:39:15.079 --> 00:39:17.280
is nice to see. I believe
they said they're going to go up to

435
00:39:17.360 --> 00:39:22.920
four percent if they have to.
So if if the UK can can concentrate

436
00:39:22.960 --> 00:39:30.519
their additional funds on maritime, that
would a be natural and be what needed

437
00:39:30.039 --> 00:39:35.360
uh they needed. They need marines
and need their army, but they need

438
00:39:35.440 --> 00:39:42.519
to revitalize their their naval uh more
than more than anything else. Because our

439
00:39:42.639 --> 00:39:51.360
other allies, uh they're they're few
in between and uh but they're they're trying.

440
00:39:51.519 --> 00:39:53.960
But there you know, it takes
one to make three, and then

441
00:39:54.920 --> 00:39:58.519
other people they know it takes five
make one. I was like, ooks,

442
00:39:58.519 --> 00:40:01.280
fine, somewhere between three in five
ships to make more employable that we've

443
00:40:01.519 --> 00:40:05.960
seen in the Red City with some
of our allies that have gone there for

444
00:40:06.079 --> 00:40:09.760
the undividuled range time. So yeah, we're going who winds up the next

445
00:40:09.800 --> 00:40:13.719
election. I hope they do follow
through. It'd be good for the United

446
00:40:13.800 --> 00:40:16.639
Kingdom and it would be great for
NATO. It's good for the UK for

447
00:40:16.800 --> 00:40:22.280
NATO is good for US as well, especially as we continue to try to

448
00:40:22.480 --> 00:40:30.159
put more of our attention towards the
Pacific. The Europeans that tea and definitely

449
00:40:30.199 --> 00:40:35.159
a sure are simple one. I
have to take more of the burden of

450
00:40:36.119 --> 00:40:42.960
countering Russia until or if Russia ever
decides to put an isolated in the European

451
00:40:43.039 --> 00:40:47.800
CONDOMYS don't think they will, but
Europe should include The UK have such a

452
00:40:49.280 --> 00:40:54.679
huge advantage in GDP and population over
to Russia if they should be able to

453
00:40:54.760 --> 00:41:00.239
take the most of that burden.
As we're there is a backup. H

454
00:41:00.000 --> 00:41:02.559
Yeah, I just I think that
we I can't. It was it was

455
00:41:02.599 --> 00:41:07.639
it Demo we talked to about about
why they should focus on the fleet rather

456
00:41:07.719 --> 00:41:14.239
than the land the land army.
I mean, you know, they they've

457
00:41:14.239 --> 00:41:20.440
already been involved in two land wars
uh in in the main part of Europe.

458
00:41:20.480 --> 00:41:24.480
Then you know, I think that
they stopped the invasions going back to

459
00:41:24.559 --> 00:41:30.199
Napoleon's time because they had they had
a powerful navy, and I just can't

460
00:41:30.280 --> 00:41:34.960
imagine that they think that it's more
important dump money into the into the landforces,

461
00:41:35.000 --> 00:41:37.880
and isn't the naval forces. But
you know, things things happen,

462
00:41:39.360 --> 00:41:49.119
so go ahead. I was just
gonna say, in what they do,

463
00:41:49.679 --> 00:41:53.159
the land power would be expeditionary,
something you can put on, put on

464
00:41:53.280 --> 00:41:59.079
a ship or put on a heavy
lift and move to reinforce people, whether

465
00:41:59.199 --> 00:42:05.039
it's across the North Sea and North
Norway or over to the Baltics, because

466
00:42:05.559 --> 00:42:09.960
it makes no sense when you to
have to drive through Germany, France and

467
00:42:10.079 --> 00:42:15.119
Germany uh in order to get to
somebody further east, when the Germans and

468
00:42:15.159 --> 00:42:20.159
the French and the Dutch and the
Belgians and the Poles and the Czechs should

469
00:42:20.199 --> 00:42:27.199
should be there first, whereas a
lot of those nations don't have the ability

470
00:42:27.360 --> 00:42:31.320
to project power from sea if for
no other reason, you know, kind

471
00:42:31.360 --> 00:42:36.320
of you know, one thing we've
been seeing in the last few weeks again

472
00:42:36.519 --> 00:42:44.360
in Europe is Kiel is A is
a great naval facility, but good gracious,

473
00:42:44.480 --> 00:42:49.519
like everything else in Central Europe,
you're you're under the guns, you're

474
00:42:49.599 --> 00:42:53.119
nearby uh to to the enemy.
And you know what we've seen uh in

475
00:42:53.199 --> 00:42:59.519
the last week as the Ukrainians either
got more supplies or we're given more of

476
00:42:59.559 --> 00:43:05.400
the leash or both is the Ukrainians
are making a mess of Crimea and they've

477
00:43:05.480 --> 00:43:09.400
run out of good naval targets that
they're hitting the airfields. And that's just

478
00:43:09.480 --> 00:43:17.760
an untenable situation that you want.
Russia wants Sevestipole for the same reason Russia

479
00:43:17.880 --> 00:43:22.119
wanted it during the Crimean War.
It's a warm water port, it's right

480
00:43:22.199 --> 00:43:30.679
there. But like all naval facilities, you cannot have your naval repair facilities

481
00:43:30.760 --> 00:43:36.400
and supply supporties under the gun of
your enemy. Back in the day,

482
00:43:36.519 --> 00:43:43.239
it was a cannon. Are you
know something else artillery from land? Nowadays

483
00:43:43.559 --> 00:43:49.039
it's your drones, your cruise missiles, your ballistic short, short range and

484
00:43:49.039 --> 00:43:52.559
intermediate range ballistic missiles that are very
hard to defend from. And I don't

485
00:43:52.679 --> 00:44:01.119
see how any type of substantial fleet
can survive around on Sevestipol if the Ukrainians

486
00:44:01.159 --> 00:44:07.599
continue to get supplied the way they
are. So, you know, BZ

487
00:44:07.880 --> 00:44:13.800
on the Ukrainians on doing some pretty
good seed denial there, which is a

488
00:44:13.840 --> 00:44:17.719
pretty good lesson to take away in
the last week. Is like we've talked

489
00:44:17.719 --> 00:44:23.159
about before, I encourage everybody to
there's plenty of plenty of maps out there.

490
00:44:23.559 --> 00:44:30.440
Look at the range ring in the
Western Pacific and for the Chinese Commissional

491
00:44:30.559 --> 00:44:37.719
list missiles and how many they have, and think about what implications they are

492
00:44:37.280 --> 00:44:42.679
in the likely event that the PRC
to an order of magnitude or more makes

493
00:44:42.719 --> 00:44:46.599
the kind of strikes that we've seen
in the last few weeks from a very

494
00:44:46.679 --> 00:44:52.239
limited Ukraine against the Russian facilities in
Crimea. It's again, it's one of

495
00:44:52.239 --> 00:44:54.920
those little tap shoulder and a reminder
it's not the end of the world,

496
00:44:57.039 --> 00:45:00.719
but threats evolved, Threats change,
and you have to change your posture to

497
00:45:00.760 --> 00:45:06.920
meet them. Yeah, and a
lot of people learning lessons out of the

498
00:45:07.039 --> 00:45:12.280
out of the Ukrainian War. I
mean the first the Chinese now are apparently

499
00:45:13.000 --> 00:45:19.360
developing a drone carrier which looks like
a pretty substantial laha or somebody. I

500
00:45:19.400 --> 00:45:22.960
mean it's you know, it's a
flat deck a large flat deck ship.

501
00:45:23.559 --> 00:45:28.000
And you know, I somebody was
talking about, well, you know,

502
00:45:28.000 --> 00:45:36.599
if you can get you see the
the effect of massive numbers of drones.

503
00:45:37.559 --> 00:45:39.800
You know, if they can put
up a thousand of a time or five

504
00:45:39.880 --> 00:45:44.480
hundred a time, and they can
keep moving them up from the welt and

505
00:45:44.599 --> 00:45:49.840
the lower decks to the flight deck, it's going to be interesting to see

506
00:45:49.880 --> 00:45:52.440
what they can do with this ship. And it reminds us we've got all

507
00:45:52.440 --> 00:45:59.400
these ships that are capable of like
the the those big flat decks, some

508
00:45:59.519 --> 00:46:01.599
isommer well things for buildings, the
Marine Corps. You know, there's no

509
00:46:01.639 --> 00:46:06.639
reason we couldn't be doing exactly the
same thing with those assets and making,

510
00:46:07.440 --> 00:46:13.159
you know, converting some merchant halls
to do the same thing. And I

511
00:46:13.239 --> 00:46:15.719
think that I when I saw it, and by the way, people haven't

512
00:46:15.719 --> 00:46:21.800
seen the picture. I'll try to
link to it in the in the ship

513
00:46:22.519 --> 00:46:27.360
with those who did a podcast later. But I had two things on that.

514
00:46:27.440 --> 00:46:29.920
One, well, how cute,
because it is kind of cute.

515
00:46:30.079 --> 00:46:32.880
But two I got mad. I
got mad for two reasons because I think

516
00:46:32.920 --> 00:46:37.199
it speaks to one thing that we
know and one thing that I think don't

517
00:46:37.280 --> 00:46:42.599
know. The one thing we know
is that's a product of having two hundred

518
00:46:42.639 --> 00:46:47.599
and thirty times the shipbuilding capacity that
the United States had because the good idea

519
00:46:47.599 --> 00:46:52.840
is very h Somewhere in the pool
Republic of China's events said, you know

520
00:46:52.920 --> 00:47:01.320
what, we really should experiment on
this drone capability from c where's our spheric

521
00:47:01.400 --> 00:47:07.000
capacity to build this? Yeah,
okay, let's let's just design ready to

522
00:47:07.079 --> 00:47:09.239
go and they're able to do it, whereas if our industry we will go,

523
00:47:09.760 --> 00:47:14.559
well, we might have the capability
to do this in the physical year

524
00:47:14.599 --> 00:47:21.039
twenty seven because we're too busy.
Two. One thing we've liked to tell

525
00:47:21.119 --> 00:47:29.440
ourselves is it's kind of a coping
meanism. Is yet the Chinese are a

526
00:47:29.599 --> 00:47:36.360
longer nation. Yes, they have
a longer navy than we do, but

527
00:47:37.119 --> 00:47:45.880
we have higher quality and we are
more inventive. We're more flexible. That

528
00:47:46.039 --> 00:47:54.519
little drum carrier tells me is they
have. And with the Eletmatic real tromagnetic

529
00:47:54.639 --> 00:48:00.119
well gun installation they did a couple
of years ago too, there is at

530
00:48:00.239 --> 00:48:08.639
least a total evidence that at least
Chinese Navy they have a culture of experimentation

531
00:48:09.559 --> 00:48:15.480
and innovation that's backed up with more
than PowerPoint slides. Hey, we think

532
00:48:15.559 --> 00:48:19.280
we can get this real gun to
work at sea. Okay, we got

533
00:48:19.320 --> 00:48:22.719
this hole here. Once you go
put it on and then nine months will

534
00:48:22.719 --> 00:48:27.119
see what happens. Hey, we
have these concepts on operating drones to see,

535
00:48:27.519 --> 00:48:30.320
but we really don't have a viable
platform to do it. Well,

536
00:48:31.000 --> 00:48:34.280
back with me next week. I'll
talk to my people, will come up

537
00:48:34.280 --> 00:48:38.639
with a design for you. That's
pretty impressive that here we are in twenty

538
00:48:38.719 --> 00:48:44.480
twenty four and out of nowhere,
pop's this little cute little of the builder

539
00:48:45.159 --> 00:48:50.800
looking a little drone carriership. You
know it's tactically viable. I don't know,

540
00:48:51.360 --> 00:48:52.800
but can you go out there,
give it to some sailors and go

541
00:48:53.239 --> 00:48:57.239
show me what you can do with
it with the flowing drones? They come

542
00:48:57.280 --> 00:49:00.800
back, and then you build something
really impressive and two or three years down

543
00:49:00.840 --> 00:49:05.679
the road. That's what it spoke
to me. I was a nod of

544
00:49:05.760 --> 00:49:08.719
respect to the to the Chinese Navy
me as an indicator they do have a

545
00:49:08.840 --> 00:49:16.320
culture of experimentation and innovation. That's
absolutely critical navy to have. Yeah,

546
00:49:16.480 --> 00:49:22.480
they've got there. They fired this
rail gun that they have. It didn't

547
00:49:22.559 --> 00:49:24.159
the test didn't go quite the way
they had hoped. But you know,

548
00:49:24.559 --> 00:49:28.519
if you fire and you failed,
then you then you can make adjustments.

549
00:49:28.559 --> 00:49:31.199
If you don't ever fire. Uh, then what are you going to do?

550
00:49:31.280 --> 00:49:35.199
You don't have any you know,
you don't have any you have nothing,

551
00:49:35.320 --> 00:49:38.760
You've got you so and you know, I'll give them credit, you

552
00:49:38.840 --> 00:49:44.039
know that for for a country that
hasn't fought ever as far as you know,

553
00:49:44.199 --> 00:49:50.000
at least in recent memory, a
large naval uh battle. And they're

554
00:49:50.079 --> 00:49:52.760
you know, they're thinking, they're
thinking about how to do this. They

555
00:49:52.880 --> 00:49:57.199
take a good They already know our
our limitations and our because they god,

556
00:49:57.239 --> 00:50:00.480
they've hacked and everything we own and
they you know, so they're they're building

557
00:50:00.519 --> 00:50:05.400
a fleet to deal with us and
and prevent us from doing stuff. Now,

558
00:50:05.519 --> 00:50:08.960
you know, we to to give
credit where credit is due. The

559
00:50:10.079 --> 00:50:19.280
the laser and uh other high energy
non uh what's the word I'm looking for?

560
00:50:19.880 --> 00:50:22.960
Non kinetic weaponry that we're working on
it. You know, that's that's

561
00:50:23.039 --> 00:50:27.519
good, more faster, you know, let's let's get it out there and

562
00:50:27.760 --> 00:50:30.639
and and play with it. And
let's let's let the sailors play with it,

563
00:50:30.719 --> 00:50:34.840
and we can find out what sailor
proof and what is just too dumb

564
00:50:34.880 --> 00:50:37.360
to work and what is what are
good ideas? I just we need to

565
00:50:37.480 --> 00:50:45.960
we need to keep moving, moving, moving that's both in the uniform and

566
00:50:45.159 --> 00:50:47.440
in an industry. And we talk
to some of folks in the industry,

567
00:50:47.480 --> 00:50:53.280
and this goes back to that article
by Congressman Walt and his and his three

568
00:50:53.360 --> 00:50:59.800
friends when he talked to the Viking
industry to do more that they rightfully will

569
00:50:59.800 --> 00:51:02.400
get up at with you. It's
like we can't. For these follow up

570
00:51:02.400 --> 00:51:07.559
reasons. In the ten things Congress
can do, a couple of things really

571
00:51:07.599 --> 00:51:12.320
stuck out for me that I just
want to mention because we talked about it

572
00:51:12.400 --> 00:51:14.880
a little bit. But you know, one of my hobby horses is our

573
00:51:15.159 --> 00:51:20.880
bureaucratic structures for for them was it
sounds pretty banal, but the meat comes

574
00:51:20.920 --> 00:51:25.360
afterwards. It says, quote,
grow US flagship building capacity and guarantee to

575
00:51:25.440 --> 00:51:30.960
US government cargo during peacetime. Establish
new programs leveraging a range of tools such

576
00:51:31.039 --> 00:51:38.960
as tax incentives, enhanced cargo preference, operational subsidy, subsidization, and federal

577
00:51:39.039 --> 00:51:45.800
financing to incentivize companies to shift the
products vis US like vessels, with the

578
00:51:45.920 --> 00:51:51.719
aim of growing the US flag international
fleets size and carrying capacity, which kind

579
00:51:51.719 --> 00:51:54.280
of flowed together on end of quote. We kind of flowed together with their

580
00:51:54.320 --> 00:51:59.920
point number nine. Point number nine
was quote, implement rules, policies,

581
00:52:00.119 --> 00:52:05.679
and resource decisions to de risk the
US maritime sector from our strategic competitors,

582
00:52:06.119 --> 00:52:13.320
evacuate and mitigate which US has dependencies
on strategic competitors, and prioritize domestic capabilities.

583
00:52:13.960 --> 00:52:20.119
There are things that Congress can do
to get those incentives and disincentives to

584
00:52:20.320 --> 00:52:25.039
industry or to remove barriers from them
being able to do things that the otherwise

585
00:52:25.199 --> 00:52:36.039
hollowed by regulations, whether they're licensing
or their environmental regulations. To take a

586
00:52:36.119 --> 00:52:40.159
brown field and continue to use it
like a brown tiel. But we'll let

587
00:52:40.199 --> 00:52:44.960
the regulatory lawyers and that question.
But there are things CODs can do.

588
00:52:45.000 --> 00:52:52.480
Now how they can counter some of
the executive branches bureaucracy and their rules,

589
00:52:53.079 --> 00:52:55.760
I don't know. But at the
end of the day, Congress to control

590
00:52:55.880 --> 00:53:00.400
the purse, their staff will will
have to figure it out. So there

591
00:53:00.480 --> 00:53:06.199
are things that we can do.
But a communist run country should not be

592
00:53:06.360 --> 00:53:10.679
more nimble than a Merkow republic.
In some way, it seems that way.

593
00:53:13.039 --> 00:53:15.840
Well, I think that's always been
the one of the arguments that people

594
00:53:15.920 --> 00:53:19.800
make in favor of when they when
they people have looked at in favor of

595
00:53:20.400 --> 00:53:25.599
of ruled by one or two people
that they are there are sometimes quicker to

596
00:53:28.239 --> 00:53:31.519
make things happen because they don't have
to go through all the democratic process that

597
00:53:31.599 --> 00:53:37.239
we do. I mean, it's
there the argument in favor of of of

598
00:53:37.760 --> 00:53:42.800
what Hitler and Mussolini did as far
as being able to go to war and

599
00:53:42.960 --> 00:53:45.079
the kind of weapons they were developing
and stuff, you know, that was

600
00:53:45.239 --> 00:53:51.599
that was one of those uh that
same thing with Japan as far as that

601
00:53:51.679 --> 00:53:53.679
goes, you know, they had
they didn't have to deal with all the

602
00:53:53.719 --> 00:53:57.519
stuff that we have to deal with
in this country. And and I'm glad

603
00:53:57.599 --> 00:54:00.519
we have to deal with stuff we
have to deal with, but somebody's got

604
00:54:00.599 --> 00:54:02.480
to wake up and take a look
at what you know, smell smell of

605
00:54:02.599 --> 00:54:07.519
roses, smell, take a look
at what's going on and get some realistic

606
00:54:07.639 --> 00:54:10.679
plans going. And and we got
to do it faster. We can't continue

607
00:54:10.719 --> 00:54:15.920
to put up with you know,
everybody at NFC getting a veto on any

608
00:54:16.599 --> 00:54:21.960
or you know, every everybody has
an input on what the the consolation clash

609
00:54:21.960 --> 00:54:23.400
should have and all that. I
mean that how does that happen? How

610
00:54:23.440 --> 00:54:28.719
do you how do you go from
from you know, well, we have

611
00:54:28.840 --> 00:54:30.639
to make it to US specs and
we need to add this and it's gonna

612
00:54:30.639 --> 00:54:34.119
be a little longer and all that. I mean that that just makes no

613
00:54:34.280 --> 00:54:37.079
sense to me and I don't understand. And let's tell you nobody l C

614
00:54:37.320 --> 00:54:45.760
is if we're continuing to build well
yeah, it's uh I actually and in

615
00:54:45.880 --> 00:54:52.960
a way I'll destend that because we
don't have anything else to keep the workforce

616
00:54:52.079 --> 00:54:59.719
employee RP out which again it's it's
sad keep meaning maybe I'll finally get it

617
00:54:59.719 --> 00:55:05.719
around to putting it out here.
For instance, the we're building those two

618
00:55:07.000 --> 00:55:16.760
smaller hospital ships based upon the Hostiles
catamaran design, which is nice hospital ships.

619
00:55:17.440 --> 00:55:21.920
We should get them working weft of
the international A line if possible.

620
00:55:22.440 --> 00:55:24.159
Uh. Those can get into a
lot of harbors. But out of that

621
00:55:24.320 --> 00:55:29.559
decision made just to be able to
keep that shipyard up and running, which

622
00:55:29.679 --> 00:55:36.840
was kind of fine whip and some
people there are certain industries because they are

623
00:55:37.000 --> 00:55:45.000
so critical national security that you can't
have a complete free market approach to it.

624
00:55:45.960 --> 00:55:52.280
Because there there's no free market approach
to indittate warfare. You have to

625
00:55:52.400 --> 00:55:55.880
have these abilities to chorge things.
Again, there's there's a note in the

626
00:55:58.000 --> 00:56:06.360
party the proposal from the endors in
congressman supply chain is and we have got

627
00:56:06.440 --> 00:56:08.840
to get our head around that.
And again that's a military propose. You

628
00:56:08.840 --> 00:56:14.159
should be the ones leading that the
China have a very good visibility and what

629
00:56:14.320 --> 00:56:19.920
weapon systems we can't build without them, and there's a lot of them when

630
00:56:19.960 --> 00:56:23.840
you pull the thread on the supply
chain back. There's been some action recently

631
00:56:23.880 --> 00:56:30.000
about it. Perhaps not fast enough, perhaps adequate enough, I don't know,

632
00:56:30.639 --> 00:56:32.880
out of the skiff, not on
a business but the fact that it

633
00:56:34.000 --> 00:56:37.440
was able to get this bad goes
back to the whole state. It's the

634
00:56:37.519 --> 00:56:44.039
bureaucracy process. It is not fit
for purpose. And there are some organizations

635
00:56:44.159 --> 00:56:49.320
like CAPE and haven't found anybody to
descend, but still there. It's still

636
00:56:50.360 --> 00:56:53.320
if you listen to the cynics,
the cynics about it, it's mucking up

637
00:56:53.360 --> 00:57:01.760
the work people policy. Do you
get very of Defense, Secretary, Navy

638
00:57:02.519 --> 00:57:07.559
and force. An army will take
what they want to have this as part

639
00:57:07.599 --> 00:57:12.320
of their charter, then beats on
the executive branch. You're not going to

640
00:57:12.360 --> 00:57:15.599
be action. And until you have
a critical mass people in the state in

641
00:57:15.719 --> 00:57:21.800
Congress who decide to want to take
this on, then we're not going to

642
00:57:21.840 --> 00:57:25.840
have progress. We have a core
group of people, but I don't think

643
00:57:27.000 --> 00:57:30.199
it's at that critical mass that we
need. And here are an election here

644
00:57:30.320 --> 00:57:37.599
maybe you have better timelines and data
sources than I do. But this election

645
00:57:37.840 --> 00:57:50.400
cycle there is woefully little discussion of
national security. This is a a personality

646
00:57:50.440 --> 00:57:55.800
election, I guess. So it's
not even a position that we've had in

647
00:57:55.880 --> 00:58:01.280
other ones where ad copeating properties or
the vision of what our military needs to

648
00:58:01.440 --> 00:58:05.440
do. It's just a part of
the conversation that I hear much. All

649
00:58:07.559 --> 00:58:12.880
Yeah, it's it's. Uh.
Sometimes we're not a healthy democracy in the

650
00:58:13.000 --> 00:58:15.039
sense of what we focus on because
it's all you know, it's all about

651
00:58:16.360 --> 00:58:21.039
if you're in office buying votes,
if you're out of office, talking about

652
00:58:21.039 --> 00:58:24.760
how bad it is to be buying
votes. And it's not necessarily it's not

653
00:58:25.039 --> 00:58:29.119
necessarily the best way to do things, but it's better than all the other

654
00:58:29.199 --> 00:58:32.159
What's what Church will say, it's
better than the other systems, you know.

655
00:58:32.280 --> 00:58:37.519
I that's that great book called Freedom's
Forge, you know, which was

656
00:58:37.559 --> 00:58:43.559
about how Bunky Newts and and and
uh, Kaiser. You know, they

657
00:58:43.760 --> 00:58:52.239
they got together when they when America
really needed to crank up its production to

658
00:58:52.400 --> 00:58:58.039
become the arsenal democracy. Uh,
they you know, they they cajoled,

659
00:58:58.320 --> 00:59:02.360
they talked to their fellow business leaders. You know, we we need almost

660
00:59:02.440 --> 00:59:06.599
need that kind of effort. Again, I highly recommend that book. And

661
00:59:06.639 --> 00:59:08.960
there are probably few people who could
who could make that kind of plea.

662
00:59:09.199 --> 00:59:15.559
It's it's I would think, uh
Elon Musk, who this eccentric is all

663
00:59:15.639 --> 00:59:21.639
get out, but he gets things
done and not always things we need done

664
00:59:21.679 --> 00:59:24.840
sometimes, but you guys get things
done. And and you know, we

665
00:59:24.960 --> 00:59:30.840
need more people like that to take
this problem seriously. And the trouble one

666
00:59:31.000 --> 00:59:36.119
problem is that they're all internationalists.
Now you know that these these leaders and

667
00:59:36.119 --> 00:59:38.239
a lot of these big companies,
they don't really get that. Uh.

668
00:59:38.840 --> 00:59:45.079
What's important is not necessarily a relationship
with lower slub volume, but but the

669
00:59:45.159 --> 00:59:49.119
fact that you know, without the
freedoms of America, the United States gives

670
00:59:49.159 --> 00:59:52.360
them that they're they're not going to
be the head cheese if the Chinese,

671
00:59:53.440 --> 00:59:55.920
you know, run them up.
And you can just look at how the

672
00:59:57.000 --> 01:00:00.519
relationships with these companies in Chinago,
the Chinese demand that you turn over all

673
01:00:00.559 --> 01:00:04.920
your trade secrets, the demand that
you if you're if one of your employees

674
01:00:04.960 --> 01:00:07.559
speaks out against the Chinese way,
you know, they have no hesitation of

675
01:00:07.639 --> 01:00:10.239
throwing that guy out of the country
or put him in a salammorty place.

676
01:00:10.639 --> 01:00:14.360
It is, you know, I
don't understand why they don't learn these lessons

677
01:00:15.159 --> 01:00:21.960
from what they've already seen. And
a lot of it is that if the

678
01:00:22.000 --> 01:00:29.360
corporations, it's the P and L
dividends, it's the executive computation packaged.

679
01:00:29.440 --> 01:00:34.880
A lot of these people they don't
really know or care about national security issues.

680
01:00:36.000 --> 01:00:42.119
They're interested in bumping up the bonus
and keeping their board of directors happy,

681
01:00:42.679 --> 01:00:45.519
and that's where a lot of decisions
are are taking place. And I

682
01:00:45.760 --> 01:00:57.320
used to be a big supporter of
doing kind of what Chile did with social

683
01:00:57.320 --> 01:01:00.239
security, where people are able to
where they want want to. Uh.

684
01:01:01.039 --> 01:01:07.400
I don't pan of that anymore until
we again have changed in compress. When

685
01:01:07.440 --> 01:01:15.599
you look at we're looking at Vanguard, black Rock, other large investment firms,

686
01:01:16.920 --> 01:01:22.519
they vote with the chairs that people
have that invest through them and that

687
01:01:22.679 --> 01:01:28.360
point board members. So we have
a lot of corporations that are all the

688
01:01:28.400 --> 01:01:34.119
board members are there simply because if
we're they're major stockholders. A major stakeholders

689
01:01:34.280 --> 01:01:42.840
are multi national investment firms for lack
of the batteries, and they don't really

690
01:01:43.039 --> 01:01:47.280
care about national security. They don't
care about anything but increasing shoulder value.

691
01:01:49.039 --> 01:01:53.880
Uh that that individual you mentioned,
Musk, say what you will to about

692
01:01:53.960 --> 01:02:00.360
him. Though he's a businessman,
he also makes decisions based upon what he

693
01:02:00.639 --> 01:02:05.360
sees to be right or wrong that
can't be traced back to the balance sheet.

694
01:02:07.199 --> 01:02:09.960
Kyer was a businessman who did very
well make good business, but he

695
01:02:10.039 --> 01:02:15.280
could see beyond what there are simple
requirements of the balance sheet. He didn't

696
01:02:16.199 --> 01:02:22.599
He didn't help the German repritir navy
at the end of the thirties. We

697
01:02:22.760 --> 01:02:29.079
need something else we need to look
at with the citizen. These corporations.

698
01:02:29.960 --> 01:02:36.840
I don't see how you fix interrupty
ways. Looking for the maritime version to

699
01:02:37.000 --> 01:02:43.039
do to the Maritimes sister, what
Elon did to Rockery. I don't think

700
01:02:43.079 --> 01:02:50.079
that guy. Yeah, well,
maybe we can invent him. You know,

701
01:02:50.239 --> 01:02:52.599
usually we've been really lucking this country. That sometimes one that when there's

702
01:02:52.639 --> 01:02:57.920
a need, the right person pops
up to do the job. I mean,

703
01:02:58.639 --> 01:03:02.280
it's it's kind of like, you
know, a failed sales clerk,

704
01:03:02.960 --> 01:03:09.199
uh and in his father's own leather
company becoming one of the best generals we've

705
01:03:09.239 --> 01:03:13.320
ever had in president of the United
States. I mean, it's a remarkable

706
01:03:13.360 --> 01:03:15.039
country. We have these people,
we have the ideas. I think they

707
01:03:15.679 --> 01:03:22.280
didn't they finally begin this uh McGrath
on that committee whatever it's called, that

708
01:03:22.360 --> 01:03:29.360
was supposed to die essentially, haven't
they now got that thing going the io

709
01:03:29.639 --> 01:03:32.239
Brian, Yeah, Brian made a
week or two ago. I finally got

710
01:03:32.320 --> 01:03:37.119
the final appointments. They had to
boost their report July, so I offered

711
01:03:37.159 --> 01:03:43.719
to make some puppy whether they got
extended. But yeah, they slow rolled,

712
01:03:44.079 --> 01:03:46.559
but they finally got their They produced
something. I don't know. I

713
01:03:46.639 --> 01:03:50.320
don't have to draw Brian a note
and see where they're going to be able

714
01:03:50.360 --> 01:03:54.639
to do it or not. But
you take if you take that, yeah,

715
01:03:55.119 --> 01:03:59.599
Committee on Mature of the Navy got
it close to it within a silver

716
01:03:59.840 --> 01:04:06.440
to find with what Representative Waltz and
his friends published, maybe maybe there's a

717
01:04:06.599 --> 01:04:13.360
growing part of the conversation which has
got a place we can't we can't just

718
01:04:13.480 --> 01:04:17.800
push out a national maritime strategy and
then let's look at it and go that's

719
01:04:17.960 --> 01:04:23.679
nice, and then nothing happens.
So you've get to have a critical that's

720
01:04:23.760 --> 01:04:28.119
not just a people but also as
priorities. You mentioned Kaiser, other guys

721
01:04:28.199 --> 01:04:30.960
and from Forge. They were the
right people at the right time, with

722
01:04:31.119 --> 01:04:38.239
the right backing of ultimately the money, where's the show me the money,

723
01:04:39.159 --> 01:04:45.719
the money and the conversation, which
made it the priority of leaders to push

724
01:04:45.800 --> 01:04:48.360
it. And so maybe it's a
move that in that right direction. We

725
01:04:48.480 --> 01:04:54.400
are kind of running short on time
though, Uh and if everybody is really

726
01:04:54.440 --> 01:04:59.920
concerned about twenty twenty seven it it's
closer than people think. Yeah, there's

727
01:05:00.079 --> 01:05:05.760
there's a pretty good they we uh
find it again. But the the CFR

728
01:05:08.280 --> 01:05:12.039
Castle Foreign Rations has a pretty interesting
piece on why it would be difficult for

729
01:05:13.199 --> 01:05:20.280
uh China to invade would struggle to
invade Taiwan. So I'll put a link

730
01:05:20.320 --> 01:05:25.239
to that up just because, and
uh, you know, I think we

731
01:05:25.360 --> 01:05:29.599
need to. I think we really
need to help our friends in the Philippines

732
01:05:30.320 --> 01:05:38.800
and the because if if if China
wanted to go to Taiwan without having to

733
01:05:38.880 --> 01:05:41.360
you know, I mean, the
Taiwan straight is kind of it's a lot

734
01:05:41.440 --> 01:05:45.559
easier to get there I would think
and to do things from the from the

735
01:05:45.639 --> 01:05:48.519
land side, and if you had
part of Luzon or one of those other

736
01:05:48.639 --> 01:05:54.679
areas of the Philippines, you you
could really do some damage. Yeah.

737
01:05:54.920 --> 01:06:00.960
I saw a nice video last week. It was one of the bless their

738
01:06:00.000 --> 01:06:02.960
hearts, how can you not want
to help these people? But it was

739
01:06:03.039 --> 01:06:08.960
one of those lebe supply boats head
now the shoals from the Philippines being asked

740
01:06:09.000 --> 01:06:15.800
for to buy alpwood dozen open single
outboard fishing boats. So they got a

741
01:06:15.880 --> 01:06:19.519
big heart, just need big capabilities. But it's not like I didn't want

742
01:06:19.519 --> 01:06:24.920
to know this last week on my
substack. It's not your grandfather's Philippines anymore.

743
01:06:24.960 --> 01:06:30.000
There's a lot of indicators that they're
going to continue to grow just their

744
01:06:30.119 --> 01:06:36.719
cottage, but also there the sense
of national standing. Once they take care

745
01:06:36.800 --> 01:06:41.039
of a few other civil society items. There's a lot of a lot of

746
01:06:41.119 --> 01:06:45.920
potential there. For the one hundred
and ten was one hundred and civilion filions

747
01:06:45.960 --> 01:06:49.000
that are bouncing around there in the
in the Pacific. So it's abam is

748
01:06:49.039 --> 01:06:55.280
our friends. Yeah, and they're
you know, they're a great maritime Uh,

749
01:06:56.079 --> 01:06:59.400
there's a great marittime tradition there.
I mean, how many ships in

750
01:06:59.480 --> 01:07:03.400
the the world man by Philippines sailors
and uh, Philippino sailors and you know

751
01:07:03.599 --> 01:07:06.960
it's it's uh, it's that is
something to keep in mind if we're gonna

752
01:07:08.039 --> 01:07:13.239
we're gonna help any any country.
I think we owe it, and we

753
01:07:13.440 --> 01:07:16.719
we've already help them a few times, but we really need to work with

754
01:07:16.840 --> 01:07:20.880
them, uh as much as possible. It's a it's a it's a country

755
01:07:20.960 --> 01:07:27.559
that deserves a little better than what
it's had. And I just realized we're

756
01:07:27.599 --> 01:07:31.719
already eight months over our time.
I guess we've we've got We've got a

757
01:07:31.840 --> 01:07:40.239
melee done with the month of May. We wish everybody a happy Memorial next

758
01:07:40.280 --> 01:07:44.280
week in uh and come out at
the other end. State we do have

759
01:07:44.719 --> 01:07:48.480
on the ninth of ninth of June, which was going to be here sooner

760
01:07:48.599 --> 01:07:55.599
than anybody realize that we're going to
have returning guests. Craig Whitlock come on

761
01:07:55.800 --> 01:08:01.159
discuss his book, substantial book on
fat lead that is still sending ways through

762
01:08:01.159 --> 01:08:05.280
our navyes. Uh. If you
can hold out to the ninth of June,

763
01:08:05.480 --> 01:08:08.679
or if you read it ahead of
time and hear our take on it.

764
01:08:08.760 --> 01:08:14.719
That'd be uh, that's what we
got coming up next. It sounds

765
01:08:14.719 --> 01:08:19.680
pretty good. And everybody and enjoy
memorial. I remember why it exists and

766
01:08:21.119 --> 01:08:27.399
all that all that have a have
a have a good week for two and

767
01:08:27.600 --> 01:08:30.560
thank you everybody for mus for another
edition. Rats and the next time do

768
01:08:30.640 --> 01:08:45.640
you have a great navy, replied
Paddy. All Mike wants to marry me

769
01:08:45.000 --> 01:08:55.199
and a friend of because relieve all
you being to blame. Tell hold me

770
01:08:55.600 --> 01:09:05.720
sit folding all the It's a long
way to differ. It's a long way.

771
01:09:09.600 --> 01:09:24.680
It's a long way to differ.
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772
01:09:26.039 --> 01:09:50.640
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