WEBVTT 1 00:00:30.640 --> 00:00:38.880 Welcome to Destiny. Now here's your host, Cliff Dunning. Hey are you 2 00:00:38.880 --> 00:00:43.840 doing today? I hope you're well. We're looking at human evolution today. 3 00:00:44.039 --> 00:00:54.600 We're looking at very likely the earlier epochs existence how mankind in those earlier periods 4 00:00:55.280 --> 00:01:02.679 that led to perhaps the dynastic Egyptians and other sophisticated cultures who were physical but 5 00:01:02.840 --> 00:01:12.319 also tapped to the spiritual realities of mankind and use those parts of themselves in 6 00:01:12.400 --> 00:01:21.159 their daily activities. We here in the West tend to fall on fundamentalists, 7 00:01:22.599 --> 00:01:27.519 you can say religion, but also science, the scientific method. We look 8 00:01:27.599 --> 00:01:34.640 at lifestyles that are extremely damaging and we forget the inner spiritual self. And 9 00:01:34.680 --> 00:01:42.959 we're talking about this today. I'm of the belief that the earlier epochs were 10 00:01:42.959 --> 00:01:49.599 more connected to the higher levels of consciousness. And this is when you meditate, 11 00:01:49.799 --> 00:01:53.799 you shift beyond the physical, you work on the higher realms. Remember, 12 00:01:55.439 --> 00:02:01.519 within those realms are the Akashic records, the database of universal knowledge of 13 00:02:01.599 --> 00:02:07.319 the past, the president, and the future, all contained in this again, 14 00:02:07.400 --> 00:02:14.800 this cloud database. I think probably our ancestors had an easier time of 15 00:02:14.800 --> 00:02:20.080 it than we do today, because I don't hear well I do hear, 16 00:02:20.400 --> 00:02:23.319 you know, scientists talking about it, and we've had a number of them 17 00:02:23.319 --> 00:02:29.599 on the program, But you don't hear orthodoxy talk about tapping into the Akashic 18 00:02:29.719 --> 00:02:34.960 records. You don't hear orthodox science. And within the science, this is 19 00:02:35.000 --> 00:02:38.159 the medical community that I'm very against right now. And when I say a 20 00:02:38.240 --> 00:02:44.599 medical community, I'm talking about the allopathic community, whose way of healing is 21 00:02:45.080 --> 00:02:50.000 through drugs, through surgery, and if you have a degenerative disease like cancer, 22 00:02:50.520 --> 00:02:54.680 through radiation. I'm firmly of the belief that in the next decade or 23 00:02:54.719 --> 00:02:59.639 so we're going to look back on these treatments and go, what the hell 24 00:03:00.280 --> 00:03:05.280 where we're thinking Because we're harming people, we're killing people, and we're not 25 00:03:05.400 --> 00:03:09.919 promoting wellness. These people do not understand what the term wellness means. But 26 00:03:10.680 --> 00:03:17.400 today we're looking at connecting with a part of ourselves that some people call the 27 00:03:17.520 --> 00:03:27.680 higher self, some people call the soul, and using those areas to have 28 00:03:28.039 --> 00:03:32.120 a spiritual awakening. And when we have an awakening, we are aware of 29 00:03:32.680 --> 00:03:40.840 higher dimension of ourself, a more fulfilling and satisfying dimension of ourselves. And 30 00:03:42.000 --> 00:03:46.280 very few people understand this, and very few people use it. I'd say 31 00:03:46.400 --> 00:03:53.599 that it is an undercurrent. It's the same level of consciousness that we look 32 00:03:53.639 --> 00:04:00.360 at when we talk about alternative medicine, the wellness, and that sector is 33 00:04:00.960 --> 00:04:08.960 acupuncture, it is nutritional foods, it is organic foods, it's vitamins, 34 00:04:09.120 --> 00:04:15.439 it's a massage therapy, it's tai chi, it's yoga, it is connecting 35 00:04:15.959 --> 00:04:24.800 and working with the higher realms, the higher dimensions. Until recently, these 36 00:04:24.839 --> 00:04:30.439 were more available to us. Now once that was shunned by the Church, 37 00:04:30.519 --> 00:04:35.040 I mean the Catholic Church in a consideration of meditation, consider you know, 38 00:04:35.120 --> 00:04:41.639 that's a and that just the Catholic Church. Also other religions consider meditation a 39 00:04:41.639 --> 00:04:46.199 form of devil of devil worship, and that's just not true, you know. 40 00:04:46.399 --> 00:04:54.680 And you've heard me many times mentioned here that I follow the Hindu form 41 00:04:54.759 --> 00:05:00.920 of meditation, which was brought to America by Maharishi mesh Yoga, who figured 42 00:05:00.920 --> 00:05:08.399 out a way to really dial down long long meditations hours two hours into a 43 00:05:08.439 --> 00:05:13.800 twenty minute morning and afternoon meditative cycle. And by the way, if you 44 00:05:13.879 --> 00:05:18.920 would like to learn an easy meditation, look at transcendental meditation. They're they're 45 00:05:18.959 --> 00:05:26.000 in most states and they're not that expensive. I think it's an eight hundred 46 00:05:26.040 --> 00:05:29.639 dollars for a course and then follow up. I could be wrong, it 47 00:05:29.680 --> 00:05:32.680 could be more. But it served me since I was, you know, 48 00:05:33.160 --> 00:05:38.439 in my late teens. I learned it when I was eighteen because I was 49 00:05:38.519 --> 00:05:46.360 struggling. I was depressed, I was unhappy with my life and I didn't 50 00:05:46.399 --> 00:05:49.680 like where I was going, and so I needed and I was attracted to 51 00:05:50.360 --> 00:05:58.920 an Eastern philosophy very very young in my in life, and I really it 52 00:05:59.000 --> 00:06:03.000 really helped me a lot of ways. Now, I wasn't meditating continually. 53 00:06:03.040 --> 00:06:08.759 I had periods where I actually stopped, but where I stopped, I usually 54 00:06:09.040 --> 00:06:13.560 was not happy there either. So I picked it up again and it's it's 55 00:06:13.680 --> 00:06:18.240 very It's served me a lot. It has served me well. But today 56 00:06:18.319 --> 00:06:27.560 we're gonna learn about spiritual tools that helps shift your perspective, help you gain 57 00:06:27.920 --> 00:06:34.240 a sense of yourself. And then when you're in alignment with this unseen realm, 58 00:06:34.279 --> 00:06:39.560 and you can call it heaven, you can call it whatever, bonna, 59 00:06:39.800 --> 00:06:46.839 whatever, this part of you that is unseen, and it also connects 60 00:06:46.879 --> 00:06:48.600 with your past lives. Now, we've had a number of people on this 61 00:06:48.680 --> 00:06:55.839 program who are very much connected to their past lives. Who who understand that 62 00:06:55.879 --> 00:07:00.920 their strengths and weaknesses from those lives that are bleeding through some purposeful, a 63 00:07:01.079 --> 00:07:09.120 some not. And when you use that information you actually have more satisfaction in 64 00:07:09.120 --> 00:07:15.240 your life. But today we're going to learn the importance of being a spiritual 65 00:07:15.279 --> 00:07:24.680 being happier, more successful, and really experiencing this life, this time in 66 00:07:24.680 --> 00:07:30.800 our life as successfully as possible. So the program today is through a divine 67 00:07:30.920 --> 00:07:36.879 lens practices to quiet your ego and align with your soul. My guest today 68 00:07:38.000 --> 00:08:16.839 is Sue Frederick, and she's coming to us today from Arizona. Today we're 69 00:08:16.879 --> 00:08:24.480 speaking with a I want to call her a spiritual person, a spiritualist if 70 00:08:24.480 --> 00:08:31.279 you want to use that term, someone who is or has chronicled her journey 71 00:08:31.240 --> 00:08:39.639 and how she was indoctrinated into our lifestyle. And when I say indoctrinated, 72 00:08:39.200 --> 00:08:43.919 we're raised in our parents, with our parents vision, we have religions, 73 00:08:43.960 --> 00:08:50.440 we have our society, and Western culture is not an easy society to incarnate 74 00:08:50.480 --> 00:08:58.480 into, simply because there's great expectations, there's great heaviness about the whole thing. 75 00:08:58.519 --> 00:09:01.080 You have to be educated, you have to have a job, you 76 00:09:01.080 --> 00:09:03.919 have to get married at a certain age. If you're a woman, you 77 00:09:03.960 --> 00:09:07.320 must have children, or you're a failure. If you're a man and you 78 00:09:07.360 --> 00:09:11.200 don't have a job and you're not making so much money and you don't you 79 00:09:11.240 --> 00:09:16.759 know, you have a desk, and you are part of a big corporation, 80 00:09:16.840 --> 00:09:22.840 you're a failure. We suffer, We suffer, And my guest today 81 00:09:22.399 --> 00:09:28.360 has written a book called Through a Divine Lens Practices to Quiet your Ego and 82 00:09:28.440 --> 00:09:33.360 Align your Soul. As I was reading this book, I was thinking, 83 00:09:35.080 --> 00:09:41.159 she's captured the problems that we're dealing with. But most of us are seeking 84 00:09:41.240 --> 00:09:46.639 a spiritual life, a spiritual connection with our higher self, which is the 85 00:09:46.840 --> 00:09:52.039 ultimate way to live. My guest is Sue Fredericks. He is a spiritual 86 00:09:52.080 --> 00:10:00.080 coach, lifelong intuitive master, numerologist, and certified soul Regressionist therapist. And 87 00:10:00.120 --> 00:10:05.159 she's an ordained Unity minister, which means that she's tapped in pretty much all 88 00:10:05.200 --> 00:10:07.440 the time. Sue, Welcome to Destiny. Great to see you. How 89 00:10:07.480 --> 00:10:09.879 you doing. Thank you so much, Cliff, It's an honor to be 90 00:10:11.000 --> 00:10:13.840 on your show. I gotta say this. This book came to me it 91 00:10:13.919 --> 00:10:22.879 felt like an autobiography it's like your highs and lows. You're really digging through 92 00:10:24.039 --> 00:10:31.759 the piles of existence. And you know, we we were incarnated in this 93 00:10:31.879 --> 00:10:35.919 lifetime to really be the best that we can be on numerous levels. What 94 00:10:35.960 --> 00:10:39.759 do you say when I would call I would call it fight for the light. 95 00:10:41.240 --> 00:10:45.480 Oh, I like that term. It's really good. Talk about this 96 00:10:45.519 --> 00:10:48.080 book real quickly. Why did you write it? I mean, I feel 97 00:10:48.120 --> 00:10:52.240 that you're you're a unity minister, which means that you're a teacher. You 98 00:10:52.320 --> 00:10:58.039 are showing others what's going on from a spiritual point of view. What would 99 00:10:58.039 --> 00:11:03.159 you say was the motor to write this well? I had already written a 100 00:11:03.240 --> 00:11:07.200 number of books about spirituality, and I was helping clients every day, and 101 00:11:07.240 --> 00:11:13.159 I was teaching workshops helping people connect to either their own higher self or their 102 00:11:13.159 --> 00:11:18.639 departed loved ones. And I came home from teaching one of those workshops, 103 00:11:18.679 --> 00:11:22.879 it was a three day retreat, and I got really sick. I was 104 00:11:22.960 --> 00:11:26.279 kind of run down. This was back in twenty thirteen, maybe twenty fourteen, 105 00:11:28.039 --> 00:11:31.480 and I came home and suddenly I had like one hundred and four degrees 106 00:11:31.559 --> 00:11:37.759 of fever and a really bad cough, and I was on the third night, 107 00:11:37.840 --> 00:11:41.320 I was taken out of my body and I was held. For anybody 108 00:11:41.320 --> 00:11:45.919 who gets to see this video, you can see this graphic behind me. 109 00:11:46.519 --> 00:11:50.919 I was held in space looking at planet Earth, and I was shown all 110 00:11:50.960 --> 00:11:56.440 these beams of light shooting up from Earth. And I was held by these 111 00:11:56.559 --> 00:12:00.279 loving beings. I mean, I want to say angels, but they felt 112 00:12:00.320 --> 00:12:03.600 like guides. And I said, why are you showing me this? What 113 00:12:03.720 --> 00:12:09.559 are those beams of light? And they said, every soul who wakes up 114 00:12:09.600 --> 00:12:15.120 on Earth to remember their divinity, remember that they're part of God consciousness and 115 00:12:15.639 --> 00:12:20.320 live from that place of love and compassion. A light beam shoots up into 116 00:12:20.360 --> 00:12:24.799 the universe from their heart and they spark other people to wake up to that 117 00:12:24.960 --> 00:12:31.360 higher consciousness. And they showed me around the globe of planet Earth, how 118 00:12:31.440 --> 00:12:37.080 all the dark corners are being one by one illuminated with this higher consciousness light. 119 00:12:37.679 --> 00:12:43.039 And remember I was in like a vision fever dream and it just went 120 00:12:43.120 --> 00:12:46.440 on all night, and they were pouring this into me and saying, you 121 00:12:46.480 --> 00:12:50.480 know, things are going to be hard in the next few years. You 122 00:12:50.559 --> 00:12:54.159 have to be one of the people who says the light is always winning, 123 00:12:54.240 --> 00:12:58.000 the love is always winning. As you can see here as they were showing 124 00:12:58.039 --> 00:13:03.200 me that it is, and I came back into my body, woke up 125 00:13:03.240 --> 00:13:07.320 and grab my computer because I've always been a writer, and I knew I 126 00:13:07.360 --> 00:13:11.519 couldn't express it verbally, but I knew that if I sat there writing, 127 00:13:11.559 --> 00:13:16.639 it would come through me. And basically that's the book Through a Difference. 128 00:13:16.639 --> 00:13:20.279 That's I love that, and you actually write about that at the very beginning 129 00:13:20.960 --> 00:13:26.279 of your book. You go through this, uh this, Uh well, 130 00:13:26.440 --> 00:13:31.480 it's it's a fever that shifts your awareness and your consciousness and you leave your 131 00:13:31.519 --> 00:13:37.480 body. Did these beans say to you that you give give you background in 132 00:13:37.840 --> 00:13:43.120 terms of why you're here at this time? Did you, I mean, 133 00:13:43.120 --> 00:13:46.559 why you would in court incarnate? Now? Well, I have that answer 134 00:13:46.759 --> 00:13:52.840 from my departed husband who died in when I was twenty nine, talking about 135 00:13:52.960 --> 00:13:56.960 Paul. Paul, Yeah, he's my lifelong spiritual teacher. Or does he 136 00:13:58.080 --> 00:14:01.279 come through now? Yeah, he's still does. In fact, in July 137 00:14:01.559 --> 00:14:05.840 it was the forty third anniversary of his crossing, and he came in with 138 00:14:05.879 --> 00:14:11.759 the biggest sign ever and the biggest conversation ever, which I want to say 139 00:14:11.759 --> 00:14:16.720 to anybody who's grieving, if you believe that you're departed just have to move 140 00:14:16.799 --> 00:14:20.639 on. That is a myth because time and space is happening all at once. 141 00:14:20.679 --> 00:14:24.519 It's not linear the way that our minds have to see it. And 142 00:14:24.600 --> 00:14:30.240 so I departed. Yes, they can be ascending into the highest realms or 143 00:14:30.320 --> 00:14:35.039 reincarnating, but they can also and they will also come to help and heal 144 00:14:35.159 --> 00:14:39.120 any of their loved ones here on earth. So Paul has come back to 145 00:14:39.120 --> 00:14:46.720 me numerous times saying, you agreed to stay and here's why. And in 146 00:14:46.759 --> 00:14:50.240 my thirties, though, Cliff, you know, I was an angry girl, 147 00:14:50.399 --> 00:14:54.360 and I was lost in my grief, and I was angry that my 148 00:14:54.480 --> 00:14:58.440 beloved, beautiful husband, who is the sweetest, kindest man I'd ever known, 149 00:14:58.559 --> 00:15:03.360 had such a suffering death of cancer. And then I lost my best 150 00:15:03.440 --> 00:15:09.320 childhood girlfriend that way, and many people in my thirties, so I would 151 00:15:09.360 --> 00:15:13.919 say it took me maybe twenty years to really say, Okay, I'm really 152 00:15:15.039 --> 00:15:20.159 now ready to kind of take a stand for what I've learned and come out 153 00:15:20.159 --> 00:15:24.960 of the closet and really say who I am and launch my work. And 154 00:15:24.039 --> 00:15:28.240 I was coming from a background of growing up in the South in the fifties 155 00:15:28.360 --> 00:15:33.080 with an engineer father, and the whole thing was about the left brain logic 156 00:15:33.159 --> 00:15:39.240 mind being king right, and so I really had to find my voice to 157 00:15:39.399 --> 00:15:43.120 say no, the left brain logic mind is just part of our human journey, 158 00:15:43.120 --> 00:15:46.200 and it's not real, and it almost never tells us the truth. 159 00:15:46.879 --> 00:15:52.720 And our heart and our soul and our higher self is the guide that we're 160 00:15:52.759 --> 00:15:56.360 supposed to be listening to here. Yeah, most of us are incarnated into 161 00:15:56.360 --> 00:16:02.240 its family lives that are pretty much wake up, go to work, come 162 00:16:02.279 --> 00:16:06.559 home, eat, go to sleep, right, unaware of the subtle bodies, 163 00:16:06.600 --> 00:16:12.120 the higher self, the meditative self, and this spiritual self that you 164 00:16:12.600 --> 00:16:19.159 beautifully write about. How do we begin looking at the true nature of our 165 00:16:19.200 --> 00:16:23.480 spiritual self when we're in this society? What would you suggect I mean, 166 00:16:23.600 --> 00:16:26.279 there's a ton of things we're going to talk about in our interview today, 167 00:16:26.279 --> 00:16:32.159 but just as an overview when someone speaks to you, looks at your book 168 00:16:32.480 --> 00:16:37.919 and wants to know more. What's the difference between how we're told to live 169 00:16:38.559 --> 00:16:42.919 and the spiritual nature of living. Yeah, well, we're told to be 170 00:16:44.000 --> 00:16:52.399 focused outside of ourselves and achieving and accumulating and success according to the physical world 171 00:16:52.879 --> 00:16:57.159 and that only the logic mind is real and valid. And yet as children, 172 00:16:57.240 --> 00:17:00.480 we come in knowing that one of that is true, and that we 173 00:17:00.559 --> 00:17:06.480 are divine beings, and we have that pure, open connection to the highest 174 00:17:06.519 --> 00:17:11.319 realms, and we get program to shut it down. So the minute we 175 00:17:11.400 --> 00:17:15.319 can say, I'm going to take ten minutes a day, twenty minutes a 176 00:17:15.400 --> 00:17:21.400 day to sit in the silence to quiet my mind. Classic meditation, whether 177 00:17:21.440 --> 00:17:23.599 it's Buddhist, Hindu, or however you want to do it. I'm a 178 00:17:23.640 --> 00:17:30.279 big fan of Hindu meditation. Or you repeat sacred mantras, sacred sound to 179 00:17:30.440 --> 00:17:36.279 quiet that mind so that you then are pulled away from the mundane details of 180 00:17:36.359 --> 00:17:41.359 life and back in touch with your voice, your God, consciousness, self, 181 00:17:41.799 --> 00:17:47.440 whatever you want to call it. You know, I think for a 182 00:17:47.480 --> 00:17:55.279 lot of people, discovering their spiritual self happens through trauma. You're absolutely right, 183 00:17:55.519 --> 00:18:03.119 happens annoyingly. They're attracted to, say, perhaps a Hindu mantra or 184 00:18:03.240 --> 00:18:08.200 there there's a figure like when I was a kid, well eighteen years old, 185 00:18:08.599 --> 00:18:15.599 I discovered the Maharishi mesh Yogi, who was the fundamental behind meditation, 186 00:18:15.119 --> 00:18:19.359 translidental meditation, and I was just attracted to it, and so I went 187 00:18:19.440 --> 00:18:23.960 to a class here in Northern California, and I thought that sounds so good 188 00:18:25.000 --> 00:18:29.079 because I'm just my brain's just going crazy. And the very first time I 189 00:18:29.200 --> 00:18:36.079 was showed how to meditate, it was so deep and exact thing happened to 190 00:18:36.079 --> 00:18:40.000 me. That was my first form of meditation in my twenties. Yeah. 191 00:18:40.160 --> 00:18:45.480 That amazing. Yes, Yeah, but you know I think that that I 192 00:18:45.640 --> 00:18:51.559 just had this drive to know more. A lot of people are suffering and 193 00:18:51.599 --> 00:18:53.839 they don't know how to get out of it. I mean, it's really, 194 00:18:53.880 --> 00:18:59.920 really, really tough when you are shown told that you need to work 195 00:19:00.119 --> 00:19:03.160 nine five, you need to get married, whether you're in love or not. 196 00:19:03.599 --> 00:19:06.640 I mean, you know, the problems are our society brings up and 197 00:19:06.759 --> 00:19:12.359 people are dragging their guts around the street because they are so much out of 198 00:19:12.400 --> 00:19:18.039 control or their numb talk a little bit about a spiritual awakening, I would 199 00:19:18.119 --> 00:19:22.039 say that, well, you and I just agree that, hey, we 200 00:19:22.160 --> 00:19:26.279 learned about TM when we were very young teenagers because there was something about it. 201 00:19:26.319 --> 00:19:30.920 But somebody who doesn't have that in their environment, what should they be 202 00:19:30.960 --> 00:19:34.720 looking for? Well, here's what I know to be true from working with 203 00:19:34.799 --> 00:19:41.759 thousands of clients is this world will pull your attention into it until you have 204 00:19:41.920 --> 00:19:48.279 some form of heartbreak, and that is unfortunately true in most cases. And 205 00:19:48.400 --> 00:19:52.440 that heartbreak will either be that your career crashes and burns and you get fired 206 00:19:52.519 --> 00:19:59.000 or laid off, or you have a heartbreak in a person leaving a relationship 207 00:19:59.039 --> 00:20:03.440 with you, or if they cross over. Grief is our greatest spiritual awakening 208 00:20:03.559 --> 00:20:10.960 here. And when we get those heartbreaks, I believe we programmed them into 209 00:20:11.119 --> 00:20:15.720 our life plans so that we would have to wake up here. And when 210 00:20:15.759 --> 00:20:19.759 I think back to being twenty nine and having my beautiful mountain climbing husband die 211 00:20:19.799 --> 00:20:23.640 in my arms of cancer, you know, it took me a long time 212 00:20:23.680 --> 00:20:29.759 to accept that. Yes, I programmed that in because I was determined in 213 00:20:29.759 --> 00:20:33.640 this lifetime to ask the big questions, who are we? Why am I 214 00:20:33.799 --> 00:20:37.799 here? Why do people suffer? Where do we go when we die? 215 00:20:37.920 --> 00:20:44.119 And what is my purpose? Those are the questions that heartbreak makes us ask, 216 00:20:44.559 --> 00:20:48.279 and they're the only important questions in life. Yeah, here's a big 217 00:20:48.279 --> 00:20:53.160 one for you. Why should I care? I'm working nine to five, 218 00:20:53.200 --> 00:20:57.720 I'm making good money, I think I'm in love. Well, my answer 219 00:20:57.839 --> 00:21:00.640 is that's okay, you don't have to care. But they'll come a time 220 00:21:00.720 --> 00:21:04.400 when you'll come back to me and let me rephrase it, Sue, let 221 00:21:04.400 --> 00:21:11.599 me rephrase it. So, what are the benefits of a spiritual life? 222 00:21:11.440 --> 00:21:18.640 What does it bring to me that I need to look closer at and the 223 00:21:18.680 --> 00:21:25.720 difference between monetary success and let us use the term spiritual success. Well, 224 00:21:25.759 --> 00:21:30.160 I worked in the corporate world in my thirties and my forties before I did 225 00:21:30.200 --> 00:21:34.480 my own business and came out of the closet. So I worked with people 226 00:21:34.599 --> 00:21:37.519 who would see me, you know, I have a mala and I'd be 227 00:21:37.599 --> 00:21:42.839 meditating in my office for ten minutes with my mama, and they would say, 228 00:21:44.359 --> 00:21:48.119 what is the problem you're solving with that? And I remember thinking, 229 00:21:48.640 --> 00:21:52.480 Wow, they just don't get it. They don't understand who we are here. 230 00:21:52.160 --> 00:21:56.880 And then I would watch that same person who was playing the career game 231 00:21:56.960 --> 00:22:02.880 and being very successful. I would watch them hit their own wake up call 232 00:22:03.680 --> 00:22:08.039 and they didn't have the tools to find their way through it. And that's 233 00:22:08.079 --> 00:22:15.119 when I began to really understand that it's when you're feeling successful and like everything 234 00:22:15.240 --> 00:22:18.279 is going well, that's when you have to start learning to turn within and 235 00:22:18.359 --> 00:22:26.640 meditate and look at the bigger picture because when a reinvention point comes along, 236 00:22:26.680 --> 00:22:30.440 and they do, actually, we all have reinvention points every nine years according 237 00:22:30.519 --> 00:22:36.079 to sacred numerology. Let me stop real quickly. When you see invention, 238 00:22:36.480 --> 00:22:41.119 it's like reinvention, reinventing yourself. Yes, you see it's interesting, yeah, 239 00:22:41.240 --> 00:22:45.759 meaning that you know in that nine year of reinvention, we might lose 240 00:22:45.799 --> 00:22:51.240 a career that we thought we'd have forever. We might lose a relationship we 241 00:22:51.319 --> 00:22:56.759 thought we'd have forever. Everybody hits these and that's the point where you have 242 00:22:56.880 --> 00:23:02.119 to call on those inner sacred tools, tools that you have already kind of 243 00:23:02.240 --> 00:23:07.079 developed, to help you see it differently, to help you lift up and 244 00:23:07.160 --> 00:23:12.480 say, what if I consider that this is happening for my highest good rather 245 00:23:12.519 --> 00:23:18.119 than against my highest good to destroy me. Nothing here is trying to destroy 246 00:23:18.279 --> 00:23:23.720 us. This is a divine order universe fueled by a loving God consciousness, 247 00:23:25.039 --> 00:23:27.680 and we all are going to hit moments where everything we know and love is 248 00:23:27.759 --> 00:23:34.039 falling apart. That is serving our growth because when we cross over cliff, 249 00:23:34.039 --> 00:23:40.519 the first thing we do is a soul review, and we judge, not 250 00:23:40.640 --> 00:23:45.640 anybody else we look at all of the ripple effects of our actions, our 251 00:23:45.720 --> 00:23:49.279 words, our emotions, and we go, Wow, why wasn't I kinder? 252 00:23:49.599 --> 00:23:55.200 Why wasn't I more loving? Why wasn't I more courageous? And you 253 00:23:55.200 --> 00:23:59.000 know, now that I know all this from people telling me from the other 254 00:23:59.039 --> 00:24:03.160 side, I live every day thinking how will this look in my soul review? 255 00:24:03.519 --> 00:24:08.200 How will I think of this moment in my soul review? It's funny. 256 00:24:08.759 --> 00:24:12.400 I want to get into the various lenses, which is what this book 257 00:24:12.519 --> 00:24:18.759 is all about. But before I do that, religion is a powerful tool 258 00:24:18.880 --> 00:24:26.480 that we basically are given in many in many ways as and I can give 259 00:24:26.519 --> 00:24:29.799 that as an example for me. I was forced to go to church, 260 00:24:30.559 --> 00:24:33.480 and I rebelled from a very very young age because I questioned the Bible. 261 00:24:34.039 --> 00:24:38.880 Yeah, I even questioned the man called Christ because he didn't feel like anything 262 00:24:38.920 --> 00:24:47.000 I needed to know about. But what is it about religion that is such 263 00:24:47.039 --> 00:24:52.839 an issue for people? Well, here's the deal. I've studied this extensively. 264 00:24:52.920 --> 00:24:56.400 I mean, I grew up Catholic and then I left that church at 265 00:24:56.559 --> 00:25:00.880 seventeen when I was out in the world on my own, and I've literally 266 00:25:00.920 --> 00:25:08.279 studied every single religious tradition to come to the awareness that there's only one force 267 00:25:08.440 --> 00:25:14.200 in this universe, and it's God, the Good God, the loving consciousness 268 00:25:14.279 --> 00:25:18.160 that runs this universe. And that even when Jesus was here, when Buddha 269 00:25:18.240 --> 00:25:22.799 was here, when all of these enlightened teachers walked the earth, the message 270 00:25:22.839 --> 00:25:29.960 they were preaching was love and compassion. And then humans, especially men in 271 00:25:30.000 --> 00:25:37.559 the Catholic Church, rewrote the original Aramaic scriptures of the Bible and changed it. 272 00:25:37.640 --> 00:25:41.079 Took out the reincarnation references that Jesus had made when he was here, 273 00:25:41.599 --> 00:25:48.559 took out so much language that made it seem and this was the counsel of 274 00:25:48.680 --> 00:25:52.559 Nicia that made it. People believe that the only way they connect with God 275 00:25:52.680 --> 00:25:56.799 or get to Heaven is by going through a church, whether it's a priest 276 00:25:56.880 --> 00:26:02.640 or a minister or something. That they can't save their own soul unless they 277 00:26:02.680 --> 00:26:06.759 do that. That is not at all what God teaches, or what Jesus 278 00:26:06.759 --> 00:26:11.240 said, or Buddha or anybody. And instead, what the reason I became 279 00:26:11.240 --> 00:26:18.319 a Unity minister, Unity says God is this love and consciousness and lives inside 280 00:26:18.359 --> 00:26:22.759 of all of us. And when you begin to look at the world that 281 00:26:22.920 --> 00:26:27.000 way, Cliff, it's a game changer. Yeah, it's great, all 282 00:26:27.079 --> 00:26:30.920 right. I want to get into these ego lens. One of the first 283 00:26:30.319 --> 00:26:33.200 areas that you talk about is a big one for a lot of people, 284 00:26:33.240 --> 00:26:38.880 which is self doubt. And that's huge because you know, you're like questioning 285 00:26:40.000 --> 00:26:45.200 your motivations, you're questioning your work, you're questioning everything. So how do 286 00:26:45.240 --> 00:26:49.519 we work with that? So this is a surprising viewpoint of that that I 287 00:26:49.599 --> 00:26:55.359 have and that I teach, is we have an assumption that the ego is 288 00:26:55.480 --> 00:27:00.240 telling us, oh, you're magnificent, you're great, and so we get 289 00:27:00.039 --> 00:27:03.400 it, you know, maybe overconfident when we listen to the ego. I 290 00:27:03.440 --> 00:27:07.279 believe it's the opposite. The ego is part of what we have to take 291 00:27:07.319 --> 00:27:11.640 when we agree to have a human lifetime, as part of the human mind 292 00:27:11.799 --> 00:27:17.920 process, and the ego's only job is to keep us safe and alive here 293 00:27:18.039 --> 00:27:22.799 on earth. Our soul has a different agenda. Our soul is here saying 294 00:27:22.160 --> 00:27:26.359 it's all about the growth, the spiritual awareness, the love, the compassion. 295 00:27:26.759 --> 00:27:32.720 So the two battling voices are the ego saying, oh, you can't 296 00:27:32.759 --> 00:27:36.079 take that risk, Oh you can't go out on a limb and start your 297 00:27:36.119 --> 00:27:41.079 own business and live authentically. Nobody will listen to you. You're not good 298 00:27:41.200 --> 00:27:45.359 enough. Who do you think you are? That's the ego voice, whereas 299 00:27:45.480 --> 00:27:51.279 the soul is saying, we are all divine beings, including me and you, 300 00:27:51.480 --> 00:27:56.160 and we've all come in on a sacred mission to use our gifts in 301 00:27:56.200 --> 00:28:00.359 a unique way to help make the world a better place. That's the soul's 302 00:28:00.440 --> 00:28:06.680 message. Yeah, I love that. That's a great explanation. You write 303 00:28:06.720 --> 00:28:08.400 so much. We can't cover everything that you have in this book. For 304 00:28:08.400 --> 00:28:15.720 those of you listening, there's a number of lenses that Sue presents that basically 305 00:28:15.759 --> 00:28:21.000 covers the Western cultures, indoctrination and how to kind of move away from it 306 00:28:21.559 --> 00:28:26.000 and to begin listening to your higher self being, the divine being that you 307 00:28:26.039 --> 00:28:32.240 are having what Sue calls a spiritual awakening. Talk a little bit. You've 308 00:28:32.279 --> 00:28:36.559 already presented different aspects of an awakening. You could have a trauma, a 309 00:28:36.640 --> 00:28:38.960 death in the family, have a job you hate, and all of a 310 00:28:40.000 --> 00:28:45.240 sudden you're so angry about it that you just blow up and quit. It's 311 00:28:45.279 --> 00:28:49.519 not a smart thing to do. But talk about being a divine being. 312 00:28:49.599 --> 00:28:56.920 You've you've given us some sense of it. But my teachings and I follow 313 00:28:56.000 --> 00:29:00.440 some Hindu here and there, but also just have having been a program director 314 00:29:00.480 --> 00:29:04.640 for these big conferences for years, Whole Life Expo and such, I've come 315 00:29:04.680 --> 00:29:11.799 across a lot of different healing teachers. What does it mean to be a 316 00:29:11.880 --> 00:29:19.799 divine individual that moves beyond the pain and suffering of the physical. Well, 317 00:29:19.839 --> 00:29:23.480 first of all, we're all divine beings, even when we're not acting like 318 00:29:23.559 --> 00:29:30.000 we remember that even the worst actors on earth are still divine beings who came 319 00:29:30.039 --> 00:29:37.079 here with an intention of soul growth. However, what when we know we're 320 00:29:37.200 --> 00:29:41.640 on path is in the midst of our pain, something happens in our life 321 00:29:41.640 --> 00:29:45.759 and we're broken open. We have these two voices, one saying, oh, 322 00:29:45.799 --> 00:29:48.160 this is the worst thing that could ever happen. You've got to be 323 00:29:48.240 --> 00:29:52.039 angry about this or blameful. But the other voice is going to be saying, 324 00:29:52.839 --> 00:29:56.640 let's look for another way to look at this. How could this be 325 00:29:57.119 --> 00:30:03.400 serving my highest good? What is my way forward through this? With love, 326 00:30:03.680 --> 00:30:08.039 grace and compassion. If we ask for that, we are lifted into 327 00:30:08.160 --> 00:30:14.440 that state of higher wisdom and we're able to see it in a different way, 328 00:30:14.960 --> 00:30:18.279 and I'll just explain in my life an example of those two. When 329 00:30:18.319 --> 00:30:23.839 my first husband, Paul was diagnosed with cancer, our egos came in and 330 00:30:23.880 --> 00:30:29.440 said, Hey, we're mountain climbers, were invincible, We're going to overcome 331 00:30:29.480 --> 00:30:33.640 this, and you know, and we learn that, Wow, the lesson 332 00:30:33.799 --> 00:30:38.839 was not overcoming it. The lesson was surrendering to what is the lesson here? 333 00:30:40.039 --> 00:30:44.519 Not punishment lesson, but lesson for highest good? And it certainly was 334 00:30:44.680 --> 00:30:49.119 different than what we had thought. And then my current husband, who I 335 00:30:49.160 --> 00:30:53.359 adore, who I've raised two children with, in twenty eighteen, he was 336 00:30:53.440 --> 00:30:59.519 diagnosed with cancer, and my whole approach was different this time because I've been 337 00:30:59.559 --> 00:31:04.559 doing this work for so many decades, and my approach was show me the 338 00:31:04.599 --> 00:31:08.200 wisdom of what is happening, what is our lesson in this, and how 339 00:31:08.240 --> 00:31:12.880 we moved through it. It wasn't hey, I'm going to find the right 340 00:31:12.960 --> 00:31:18.119 doctor and heal you and we're gonna this, you know. And I wasn't 341 00:31:18.240 --> 00:31:22.359 angry. It was like, WHOA, Okay, here comes an important lesson 342 00:31:22.519 --> 00:31:26.039 turning point for us. Helped me to move through this with grace. And 343 00:31:26.440 --> 00:31:32.359 it's interesting because I'm also a numerologist, and that turned out to be a 344 00:31:32.440 --> 00:31:36.839 nine year reinvention point for me. Another one, okay, yeah, and 345 00:31:36.960 --> 00:31:41.440 suddenly we were selling our Colorado family home of forty years that I loved and 346 00:31:41.519 --> 00:31:48.319 raised our children in, and moving without knowing anyone, to Arizona because the 347 00:31:48.359 --> 00:31:52.680 only doctor that offered my husband any hope was here at Mayo Clinic. Oh 348 00:31:52.680 --> 00:31:59.440 my god. So another situation where it wasn't a remisst cancer. It was 349 00:31:59.480 --> 00:32:02.000 one that is aggressive, right, that you needed to find someone unique that 350 00:32:02.039 --> 00:32:07.400 would help you. So right, So we pack up and come here, 351 00:32:07.599 --> 00:32:10.000 and the whole time I'm in prayer and I was exhausted by it all. 352 00:32:10.000 --> 00:32:13.599 I'm not going to say it was easy. It was a very hard move. 353 00:32:14.200 --> 00:32:17.200 But when we got here, I'm in prayer of please show me the 354 00:32:17.200 --> 00:32:22.559 reason I'm here? Where is my soul? Posse, show me my path 355 00:32:22.640 --> 00:32:25.839 forward, show me Jean's path. And Jean today, five years later, 356 00:32:27.000 --> 00:32:30.440 is doing great. I just want to say that. And for me, 357 00:32:30.960 --> 00:32:36.319 I came here knowing no one, and now I have the best friends I 358 00:32:36.400 --> 00:32:38.960 have ever had in my life and I'm in my seventies. That just doesn't 359 00:32:38.960 --> 00:32:45.039 happen easily. But they are all people who are totally aligned with the same 360 00:32:45.119 --> 00:32:50.000 spiritual viewpoint that I have, and they help grieving people the way I help 361 00:32:50.039 --> 00:32:55.440 grieving people. And I never imagined that that move that was about saving Jane 362 00:32:57.160 --> 00:33:00.039 was going to also bring my life and work to the next level. And 363 00:33:00.079 --> 00:33:05.599 I am so grateful for it. That is how life is when we are 364 00:33:05.839 --> 00:33:13.160 open to it. Talk about the messenger, the messages you get get into 365 00:33:13.160 --> 00:33:17.240 the higher self. What is your definition of the higher self? And how 366 00:33:17.400 --> 00:33:25.039 do we work with this part of ourself that is so important. Yeah, 367 00:33:25.519 --> 00:33:29.759 well, we're always going to have the human mind. We have one foot 368 00:33:29.759 --> 00:33:32.720 in the human world and one foot in the divine and that's how we walk 369 00:33:32.799 --> 00:33:38.039 this earth life. So there's nobody here who can live twenty four seven in 370 00:33:38.160 --> 00:33:44.440 touch with that divine self. I would even say the Dali Lama and the 371 00:33:44.480 --> 00:33:47.920 people that we hold most high, they're still human, so they still have 372 00:33:49.119 --> 00:33:53.680 that monkey mind that they battle in their own way through meditation or whatever they 373 00:33:53.759 --> 00:34:00.759 do. That is part of our human journey because this realm, its entire 374 00:34:00.839 --> 00:34:07.239 purpose is for us to incarnate down here for soul growth and expansion, helping 375 00:34:07.440 --> 00:34:13.039 all of us wake up. Remember the light beams story from my vision helping 376 00:34:13.159 --> 00:34:17.559 us all wake up to have that light coming from us to help and heal 377 00:34:17.760 --> 00:34:22.800 others on earth. So you're always going to battle that monkey mind, that 378 00:34:22.960 --> 00:34:29.000 ego mind, but if you develop the muscle that helps you listen more to 379 00:34:29.039 --> 00:34:31.519 the higher voice. In fact, my good friends, the way we talk 380 00:34:31.559 --> 00:34:36.199 as we go, well, my human self says, this really is a 381 00:34:36.320 --> 00:34:40.119 terrible thing, and my soul says, I'm going to make it through this 382 00:34:40.239 --> 00:34:45.480 with love and compassion, and here's how. And you can accept both of 383 00:34:45.519 --> 00:34:50.119 those voices in your head, but you get to decide which one do you 384 00:34:50.239 --> 00:34:54.800 choose to believe in and live from. It's so funny. As I was 385 00:34:54.840 --> 00:35:00.400 reading your book, I thought to myself, if they taught meditation and school, 386 00:35:00.440 --> 00:35:05.039 we would be such a different culture, right because we wouldn't allow the 387 00:35:05.519 --> 00:35:13.239 depression and we wouldn't allow the negativity to affect us in such great quantities. 388 00:35:13.280 --> 00:35:23.440 It just leads to all kinds of problems. Talk about the problem people have 389 00:35:23.599 --> 00:35:25.960 with anger. This is something that you brought up in your book, and 390 00:35:27.000 --> 00:35:30.480 I think a lot of people don't know that they're angry. That's a huge 391 00:35:30.480 --> 00:35:35.280 issue, isn't it. Well, anger also I believe on a soul level, 392 00:35:36.039 --> 00:35:42.840 is because we remember something different. We remember being in the divine realms, 393 00:35:42.920 --> 00:35:49.440 where unconditional love, grace, higher learning is the vibration of the divine 394 00:35:49.480 --> 00:35:53.760 realms. We are always learning and loving and connecting. And then we come 395 00:35:53.800 --> 00:35:59.159 down here and this energy on earth is so heavy and so dense and so 396 00:35:59.320 --> 00:36:04.800 negative because we're trying to shift it into the light, and so we get 397 00:36:04.840 --> 00:36:08.199 down here and it makes us angry, and we don't even know why we're 398 00:36:08.239 --> 00:36:15.119 so angry. And I have found that the most rageful people are actually the 399 00:36:15.119 --> 00:36:22.599 most highly evolved souls who remember something different, but they've been taught to rethink 400 00:36:22.639 --> 00:36:27.239 their way out of my head. The people that are really angry, who 401 00:36:27.239 --> 00:36:30.840 are screaming and yelling at want to punch you, are the ones who are 402 00:36:30.880 --> 00:36:36.320 perhaps the most enlightened, but they just are not touching that. They're suffering 403 00:36:36.519 --> 00:36:43.519 terribly because they know something here is off and they don't understand, like, 404 00:36:43.599 --> 00:36:45.800 why would that bad thing happen over there? I'm going to get angry about 405 00:36:45.840 --> 00:36:52.119 it. But the minute they too can meditate or begin to accept something beyond 406 00:36:52.239 --> 00:36:57.559 the traditional religious dogma, the minute they can lift up and there's hope for 407 00:36:57.719 --> 00:37:00.320 all of us, Cliff. I mean, we are at such a tipping 408 00:37:00.360 --> 00:37:05.119 point of consciousness, and you and I know there is crazy stuff happening in 409 00:37:05.159 --> 00:37:09.320 the world today, including in politics, right, but I would hold for 410 00:37:09.400 --> 00:37:16.159 your consideration that the people who are acting out in the worst ways are advanced 411 00:37:16.679 --> 00:37:21.960 souls who wanted to make a difference in this world, and they're hurt and 412 00:37:22.199 --> 00:37:27.079 lost right now. So we can't go into that with anger and hatred and 413 00:37:27.599 --> 00:37:31.639 all the things we want to argue about now. Instead, we have to 414 00:37:31.719 --> 00:37:37.159 practice the one true thing Jesus really did teach, which is to hold each 415 00:37:37.159 --> 00:37:42.679 other in love and compassion, no matter how we behave Now, if we 416 00:37:42.760 --> 00:37:46.519 can do that to the bad actors in our world, we are letting our 417 00:37:46.639 --> 00:37:52.360 light beam shine high and we are tipping point towards light and love. Yeah. 418 00:37:52.400 --> 00:37:55.880 I like that. I find that I have periods where I become a 419 00:37:55.960 --> 00:38:04.000 recluse because I'm around someone unconscious people, family members, people who are my 420 00:38:04.400 --> 00:38:07.760 close friends, but they just don't get me. You know. It's like, 421 00:38:07.800 --> 00:38:08.599 look, this is what I did, this is who I am, 422 00:38:09.239 --> 00:38:12.880 this is what I am attracted to, And they're like, who in the 423 00:38:12.920 --> 00:38:16.400 hell are you? You know, Uh, well, we have to let 424 00:38:16.440 --> 00:38:20.280 go of people, you know. I mean, I grew up in the 425 00:38:20.320 --> 00:38:23.280 South and my family thinks I'm the black sheep, you know, and I 426 00:38:23.320 --> 00:38:28.960 am. According to them, I'm the black sheep. Well you're well, 427 00:38:29.000 --> 00:38:35.239 you're well. You raised in a fundamentalist Catholics, so even becoming a Unity 428 00:38:35.360 --> 00:38:38.599 minister is a terrible thing according to them. They've made it very clear, 429 00:38:38.719 --> 00:38:44.119 you know that, Oh Jesus said only through the Catholic Church will you be 430 00:38:44.199 --> 00:38:49.039 saved. That is such garbage. Let's go back and read the original Aramaic 431 00:38:49.159 --> 00:38:52.639 scriptures. Let's see what Jesus really did say. Let's see who rewrote that 432 00:38:52.760 --> 00:38:58.280 Bible, Pope Benedict, Council of Nicia. And what did they have to 433 00:38:58.360 --> 00:39:02.719 gain by doing that? Oh, financial abundance and wars all over the world 434 00:39:02.920 --> 00:39:07.400 in the name of Jesus. That is not God in my opinion. Yeah, 435 00:39:07.480 --> 00:39:10.400 we had to just hold the light to that whole situation. Yes, 436 00:39:14.559 --> 00:39:19.559 we're going to take a short commercial break to allow our sponsors to identify themselves, 437 00:39:20.159 --> 00:39:22.280 and we will be right back with my guest today, Sue Frederick, 438 00:39:22.880 --> 00:40:15.719 who is coming to us from Arizona. We'll be right back. I guess 439 00:40:15.760 --> 00:40:20.480 today is Sue Frederick, who has written a book called Through a Divine Lens. 440 00:40:20.519 --> 00:40:23.679 This is a look at a spiritual life, what it means to be 441 00:40:23.719 --> 00:40:30.800 a spiritual person, connecting with the different realms that surround us and are part 442 00:40:30.840 --> 00:40:36.760 of who we are, and how to live more harmoniously with the elements and 443 00:40:37.000 --> 00:40:43.760 with nature. What do we do about depression? And this is a theme 444 00:40:43.840 --> 00:40:46.320 that is in your book as well. As you may not know you're depressed, 445 00:40:46.360 --> 00:40:55.000 but if you're around negativity, people who are not inspirational, how do 446 00:40:55.079 --> 00:41:00.360 we get around that section. I have the easiest answer to the at and 447 00:41:00.440 --> 00:41:05.079 people don't even believe me until they try it. Yes, you can meditate, 448 00:41:05.159 --> 00:41:07.039 Yes you can pray. Yes you can go exercise, you can eat 449 00:41:07.079 --> 00:41:12.559 good food, food, all those things raise your vibration. However, you 450 00:41:12.599 --> 00:41:15.840 can also simply just do it with me. You take a breath, close 451 00:41:15.880 --> 00:41:22.039 your eyes, and just say, please, divine guides, angels, God 452 00:41:22.119 --> 00:41:28.280 consciousness, lift me into my higher self. Pull me out of this low 453 00:41:28.400 --> 00:41:32.920 vibrational negativity that is affecting me, weighing me down, giving me, giving 454 00:41:32.920 --> 00:41:39.559 me negative thoughts that are depressing. Please lift me into that higher consciousness and 455 00:41:39.599 --> 00:41:45.960 we make that request and then something will happen, like a friend might call 456 00:41:45.199 --> 00:41:50.519 us. Or even better, if we go out for coffee, for example, 457 00:41:50.639 --> 00:41:55.280 and make everybody we run into strangers feel better, say oh you look 458 00:41:55.320 --> 00:42:00.360 so beautiful today, Oh you did such a great job at making my coffee, 459 00:42:00.960 --> 00:42:05.920 And not get into the negativity of the world and instead just be pumping 460 00:42:05.960 --> 00:42:12.559 the lave out to everybody. You will find your vibration raises so much it's 461 00:42:12.599 --> 00:42:22.519 extraordinary. Your book's filled with antidotes and lessons and practical advice on how to 462 00:42:22.280 --> 00:42:27.559 lift out of the muck. But can you give us an example of a 463 00:42:27.639 --> 00:42:35.639 situation where say you're in an environment which is just heavy and short of leaving, 464 00:42:35.880 --> 00:42:38.119 which is always a solution, what would you suggest, say you work 465 00:42:38.159 --> 00:42:43.360 it somewhere where it's like everywhere around you as negative and it's just driving you 466 00:42:43.480 --> 00:42:46.159 nuts. Well, I have two different answers. My first book is called 467 00:42:46.239 --> 00:42:51.880 I See Your Dream Job and I Do Happen to believe that if your job 468 00:42:52.000 --> 00:42:54.639 is sucking your soul away, you need to get out of that job, 469 00:42:54.719 --> 00:42:59.920 and there's a better solution and a better path for you. We have been 470 00:43:00.159 --> 00:43:07.000 told in this culture that making economic security financial security is the most important thing 471 00:43:07.039 --> 00:43:14.400 here, and that has caused millions and billions of people to give their life 472 00:43:14.480 --> 00:43:20.920 away to some form of a corporate god who pays them a measily paycheck for 473 00:43:21.000 --> 00:43:24.800 them to sit there and be miserable all day. That is not serving your 474 00:43:24.800 --> 00:43:30.199 soul. And I can guarantee you you have your own gifts and you could 475 00:43:30.239 --> 00:43:34.239 make a living in a different way that's more in alignment with who you are. 476 00:43:34.280 --> 00:43:37.440 And you can go read my original book I See Your Dream Job if 477 00:43:37.480 --> 00:43:40.960 you want to know about that. But that is true for every one of 478 00:43:42.039 --> 00:43:45.960 us here. So I think it is very hard cliff for people to sit 479 00:43:46.039 --> 00:43:52.480 in a toxic situation day after day and still find their way to the light. 480 00:43:52.000 --> 00:43:55.880 But they can again call out for help during the day. They can 481 00:43:55.960 --> 00:44:01.159 send gratitude out to all the negative people they're working with and try to be 482 00:44:01.199 --> 00:44:08.599 the one carrying the light into that situation. I have people that are listening 483 00:44:08.599 --> 00:44:13.800 to you that are going, oh, she's all airy fairy, what the 484 00:44:13.840 --> 00:44:17.719 hell sue you know? Let me tell them my story. I was a 485 00:44:17.960 --> 00:44:22.079 single mom, I had a mortgage to pay, I had no one helping 486 00:44:22.119 --> 00:44:28.480 me financially, and I had been a writer, meaning I wrote for natural 487 00:44:28.519 --> 00:44:32.559 health magazines and websites after my husband died. That was my holy work, 488 00:44:32.760 --> 00:44:38.480 was writing articles about preventing cancer and living healthy and eating well. I love 489 00:44:38.599 --> 00:44:42.840 Natural Health Magazine. I used to read it all time. Yeah. So 490 00:44:42.920 --> 00:44:45.880 I was making my living in that way as an editor as a writer, 491 00:44:46.519 --> 00:44:52.440 and I had been very successful, and I was in the late nineties, 492 00:44:52.480 --> 00:44:57.280 I was kicked up to the level of VP of content for websites back when 493 00:44:57.440 --> 00:45:02.559 content was king if you remember those days. Yeah, yeah, right, 494 00:45:04.039 --> 00:45:08.599 So I was, you know, honored for my natural health articles and knowledge. 495 00:45:08.840 --> 00:45:14.079 And then that all crashed and burned. Literally the company I worked for 496 00:45:14.400 --> 00:45:16.639 went under, and then I got another job and it went under. And 497 00:45:16.480 --> 00:45:22.480 it happened to me for a year to where I was facing bankruptcy, single 498 00:45:22.519 --> 00:45:25.519 mom, and I in my dark night of the soul, and trust me, 499 00:45:25.599 --> 00:45:30.199 it was cliff. I had a four or five year old daughter who 500 00:45:30.320 --> 00:45:32.960 didn't want to lose her home because her dad had left, and she wanted 501 00:45:32.960 --> 00:45:38.119 her little pink bedroom, and I wanted to keep her life together for her. 502 00:45:38.840 --> 00:45:45.119 And in my prayer and my meditation, asking over and over again, 503 00:45:45.639 --> 00:45:49.480 what am I here to do? Please help me? The answer came through 504 00:45:49.599 --> 00:45:54.920 so clear and said, Sue, for decades, you've given away your soul's 505 00:45:54.960 --> 00:46:00.400 wisdom for free. You've given people numerology readings for free over dinner. You 506 00:46:00.440 --> 00:46:07.039 have talked to them spiritually to counsel them. You have channeled in higher awareness 507 00:46:07.159 --> 00:46:12.599 for people just in conversation. This is what you've got to show up in 508 00:46:12.639 --> 00:46:15.840 the world doing and make your living as now. I was terrified of it, 509 00:46:16.159 --> 00:46:21.760 but I literally couldn't get a job anywhere, and so I said, 510 00:46:21.800 --> 00:46:24.000 well, I'm going to build a website. And I stayed up for two 511 00:46:24.079 --> 00:46:27.599 days building. That was back in the day when you had to go to 512 00:46:27.639 --> 00:46:30.719 a software store and I know nothing about technology. Oh you built it from 513 00:46:30.719 --> 00:46:36.440 your scratch on your own. Yes, I went on one of those software 514 00:46:36.480 --> 00:46:40.360 things you could buy and bring home and put on your computer, and I 515 00:46:40.480 --> 00:46:44.320 built it. I even had my daughter on my lap like saying, you 516 00:46:44.360 --> 00:46:47.400 know, mommy's going to make a living doing this now. And she remembers 517 00:46:47.559 --> 00:46:53.880 that and it has inspired her life. She's now turning thirty. And so 518 00:46:54.039 --> 00:47:00.320 I made that website and then I started offering free talks everywhere that they have 519 00:47:00.440 --> 00:47:05.360 me giving it my heart, my soul, my passion, and because it 520 00:47:05.440 --> 00:47:08.440 was my gift and everybody has a different gift, and because it was my 521 00:47:08.599 --> 00:47:15.679 truth and my path, it took off because magic happens when you're on your 522 00:47:15.880 --> 00:47:20.760 path. Even to the point of my first book, the way I got 523 00:47:20.760 --> 00:47:24.559 a contract with a big publisher was I was writing a newsletter every week. 524 00:47:24.599 --> 00:47:29.639 This was again back when content was king. In my newsletter, I would 525 00:47:29.679 --> 00:47:36.119 just write stories about working with clients, and it got handed to an editor 526 00:47:36.159 --> 00:47:39.679 at a big publishing company in New York. Someone forwarded it to her, 527 00:47:40.239 --> 00:47:45.079 and I get a phone call saying, Sue, I'm fascinated by your newsletter. 528 00:47:45.159 --> 00:47:50.559 Would you consider writing a book for us? I mean, I think 529 00:47:50.599 --> 00:47:54.760 I had a heart attack on that day. And I tell everybody this is 530 00:47:54.840 --> 00:48:00.920 what happens when you finally have the courage to say, this is my gift, 531 00:48:00.239 --> 00:48:04.639 this is what I've always known, I'm here to do and give it 532 00:48:04.760 --> 00:48:08.440 your heart and soul. I love that story. That's a wonderful story. 533 00:48:09.119 --> 00:48:15.440 For those who are listening, who are in the muck, what is your 534 00:48:15.480 --> 00:48:21.840 advice for them to be able to hear the higher wisdom of their soul? 535 00:48:22.079 --> 00:48:25.960 Or every time you notice you're being cynical, every time you notice you're being 536 00:48:27.079 --> 00:48:31.519 negative or focusing on the muck rather than on the divine. It is your 537 00:48:31.639 --> 00:48:37.719 job to ask for a different view of this moment. And your guides are 538 00:48:37.800 --> 00:48:43.440 all around you. Your departed loved ones, your angelic guides, your spirit, 539 00:48:43.519 --> 00:48:47.239 your god consciousness is always trying to help you. Those spirits have a 540 00:48:47.360 --> 00:48:52.920 vested interest in humanity. They are trying to shift us up to this higher 541 00:48:53.039 --> 00:48:58.920 vibration. Call out for help so real quickly, I'll interrupt you. So 542 00:48:58.960 --> 00:49:01.000 what would you say? They should say, show me a sign. I 543 00:49:01.000 --> 00:49:05.559 don't this is new for me. I don't know what to do about it. 544 00:49:05.639 --> 00:49:08.920 I'm in a bad place. I just need a sign of that. 545 00:49:08.960 --> 00:49:13.039 Would that be a good starter. That's a great start. Show me a 546 00:49:13.119 --> 00:49:19.079 sign, or help pop an idea into my head that I haven't had before. 547 00:49:19.719 --> 00:49:22.400 Those things. In fact, I work with so many grieving clients, 548 00:49:22.599 --> 00:49:27.719 and often in the midst of their worst grief, they will say to their 549 00:49:27.760 --> 00:49:31.800 beloved on the other side, please just give me a sign, any sign 550 00:49:31.960 --> 00:49:37.320 to show me you still exist, and the most amazing sign will happen. 551 00:49:37.360 --> 00:49:39.639 I get to hear those stories all the time, and my own husband, 552 00:49:39.679 --> 00:49:45.199 Paul made it clear to me. That's how it works. And once you 553 00:49:45.320 --> 00:49:49.239 get that sign, of course, your mind is going to go, oh, 554 00:49:49.280 --> 00:49:52.519 that's bologney, you made that up, that's coincidence. But another party 555 00:49:52.559 --> 00:49:58.119 you is going to go, wow, that could be real. What if 556 00:49:58.159 --> 00:50:05.079 that's real? Now it's your job to lean poor into that perspective. I 557 00:50:05.119 --> 00:50:07.840 love that? Is that real? I guess it is. Wait a minute, 558 00:50:08.960 --> 00:50:15.880 what's that all about? Right? Right? You talk about lifestyle choices. 559 00:50:15.960 --> 00:50:22.400 What is a positive lifestyle choice? Well, part of it is how 560 00:50:22.440 --> 00:50:24.239 you spend your day, how you make your living, And I think I 561 00:50:24.679 --> 00:50:30.960 again want to talk about not working in a meaningless job forever. You have 562 00:50:30.079 --> 00:50:35.679 to find a way that you feel that you're fulfilling your purpose here. That's 563 00:50:35.679 --> 00:50:39.480 a huge important step. We all have a purpose here. And then not 564 00:50:39.760 --> 00:50:45.800 spending your life in negativity, whether that means eating terrible food that makes you 565 00:50:45.840 --> 00:50:51.920 feel bad, or drinking a lot of alcohol or something that brings your energy 566 00:50:52.000 --> 00:50:55.800 down. You know, we each have we each are in charge of our 567 00:50:55.880 --> 00:51:00.280 journeys here, Cliff, I mean we have to take responsibility for that. 568 00:51:00.880 --> 00:51:06.039 And so I can say, wow, I know in my seventy something years 569 00:51:06.119 --> 00:51:09.000 on the planet that when I eat terrible food, or if I even have 570 00:51:09.079 --> 00:51:15.840 a beer, my energy drops. So I've purposely made different choices. And 571 00:51:15.159 --> 00:51:21.519 we each have those kinds of knowingness about the things that help us. And 572 00:51:21.559 --> 00:51:25.320 you need to make conscious choice that you want to feel better, that you 573 00:51:25.360 --> 00:51:30.840 want to have that higher view, and take at least a tiny baby step 574 00:51:30.079 --> 00:51:37.039 in that direction. Yeah, I totally hear that. I like what you 575 00:51:37.079 --> 00:51:43.559 suggest when it comes to creating a discipline daily practice. And I know for 576 00:51:43.679 --> 00:51:49.360 myself that in the periods where I was either in a relationship I can't remember 577 00:51:49.400 --> 00:51:52.000 where I was not meditating. I stopped meditating for a year or two, 578 00:51:53.039 --> 00:51:58.159 I was out of control. Oh, I totally understand that was not connected. 579 00:51:58.239 --> 00:52:04.119 But talk a little bit about some daily examples of practices that help you 580 00:52:04.159 --> 00:52:09.360 connect with your higher wisdom. Well, you and I have been meditators for 581 00:52:09.400 --> 00:52:14.800 a long time because I learned TM and the seventies. You know, and 582 00:52:15.119 --> 00:52:20.360 I know without any doubt that when I don't spend the first ten to twenty 583 00:52:20.400 --> 00:52:23.400 minutes of a morning and try to get up early and sit and do mantra 584 00:52:24.079 --> 00:52:29.559 and quiet that monkey mind that launches my day in the right direction. When 585 00:52:29.599 --> 00:52:32.840 I don't do it like if I oversleep and I'm suddenly late, Like I 586 00:52:32.880 --> 00:52:37.639 just feel off all day, and so I've got to find those ten to 587 00:52:37.679 --> 00:52:42.440 twenty minutes to sit in the silence, to quiet the mind, to connect 588 00:52:42.440 --> 00:52:46.039 to the soul. Think of it this way. This is a noisy world 589 00:52:46.559 --> 00:52:52.000 and we are pulled out of ourselves all day long. Your only job is 590 00:52:52.039 --> 00:52:58.239 to be quiet and listen to a different voice. That can be ten minutes 591 00:52:58.280 --> 00:53:00.719 a day, and it's really good to do it first thing in the morning 592 00:53:00.800 --> 00:53:05.679 because it sets the tone for your day. Yeah. I like that. 593 00:53:06.079 --> 00:53:09.679 The other examples you have are chanting and another one which I thought was kind 594 00:53:09.679 --> 00:53:13.800 of cool, and I want you to talk about this too, reflection. 595 00:53:14.559 --> 00:53:17.559 Yeah. Well, I work with clients every day where we do the soul 596 00:53:17.719 --> 00:53:22.679 review of their life while they're still here, and that's such an important thing. 597 00:53:23.880 --> 00:53:29.559 That's actually kind of fun. Yeah, And I map it out through 598 00:53:29.639 --> 00:53:35.320 numerology because everybody has their own unique nine year reinvention cycles that they go through, 599 00:53:35.840 --> 00:53:37.239 and we'll say, all right, well, let's look at your life 600 00:53:37.239 --> 00:53:42.119 through the soul's point of view. You know what was happening when you hit 601 00:53:42.159 --> 00:53:45.960 that nine year reinvention And they'll go oh, that's when my boyfriend broke up 602 00:53:46.000 --> 00:53:50.920 with me, or that's when I hated my job, and I you know, 603 00:53:51.000 --> 00:53:54.360 I was lost. And once you begin to see that all your life, 604 00:53:54.719 --> 00:54:00.719 whenever you have thought that you did something wrong because all these hard things 605 00:54:00.719 --> 00:54:05.519 were happening in your life, it was actually a life plan agreement that you 606 00:54:05.559 --> 00:54:10.000 would hit that point so that you could reinvent to a higher way of living. 607 00:54:10.440 --> 00:54:15.280 And we have to look at our lives that way and self reflection and 608 00:54:15.360 --> 00:54:19.760 ask those questions like, could I have done better by loving people more, 609 00:54:19.880 --> 00:54:24.119 being more positive, being kinder, going after a different career path? Can 610 00:54:24.159 --> 00:54:29.079 I do that now? Is there a way I can make that shift now? 611 00:54:29.559 --> 00:54:34.559 I mean, I've had my own experiences of getting out of my body 612 00:54:34.679 --> 00:54:37.679 and seeing this life and going, oh wow, I need to make corrections, 613 00:54:37.800 --> 00:54:43.480 you know, and coming back and being determined that I'm going to live 614 00:54:43.480 --> 00:54:47.280 it from a higher, loving perspective. And we each have that opportunity. 615 00:54:47.320 --> 00:54:53.440 The longer we live, the more chance we have to wake up and get 616 00:54:53.480 --> 00:55:00.199 it right while we're here. I love that. I want you to to 617 00:55:00.239 --> 00:55:06.920 give some examples of the knowingness that happens when you begin to connect with the 618 00:55:07.000 --> 00:55:10.559 divine. If somebody's been in muck, and I use the word muck, 619 00:55:10.719 --> 00:55:15.079 that can be that can stand for a lot of different things. Yes, 620 00:55:15.400 --> 00:55:20.559 But if someone's been suffering, traumatized or whatever, and they're beginning and they 621 00:55:20.599 --> 00:55:25.880 want to shift to the spiritual self and they say they try to meditate or 622 00:55:25.920 --> 00:55:30.719 they try to reflect, or they try they found a chant that they like. 623 00:55:30.679 --> 00:55:37.000 What is a sign that it's beginning to work and they're beginning to get 624 00:55:37.039 --> 00:55:44.400 clarity the words they hear coming out of their own mouth. So if they're 625 00:55:44.440 --> 00:55:50.519 repeating their problems over and over and blaming this person or that person for what's 626 00:55:50.559 --> 00:55:54.400 wrong in their life, then they're very much immersed in the muck. The 627 00:55:54.519 --> 00:56:00.320 minute they begin to say, well, maybe there's a different way I can 628 00:56:00.360 --> 00:56:02.400 look at this, or how can I try to get a better job, 629 00:56:02.519 --> 00:56:08.079 or how can I heal my relationship with my partner and be more loving instead 630 00:56:08.119 --> 00:56:15.559 of so blameful. These are all perspectives that come from being in the higher 631 00:56:15.639 --> 00:56:20.639 self. So by your own behavior, by your own words that come out 632 00:56:20.639 --> 00:56:24.119 of your mouth, your own choices that you make every day, you are 633 00:56:24.199 --> 00:56:30.039 showing yourself where you are in that continuum. And you know in unity. 634 00:56:30.119 --> 00:56:35.679 We teach that one of the easiest ways to shift into that higher self is 635 00:56:35.760 --> 00:56:39.039 gratitude, and that can be as simple as, oh, I am grateful 636 00:56:39.760 --> 00:56:45.480 for this amazing sun that is shining outside of my window. Oh I am 637 00:56:45.559 --> 00:56:49.920 grateful that I had coffee this morning and it got me feeling good. Those 638 00:56:50.039 --> 00:56:55.599 tiny little gratitude things begin to shift our energy into that higher place. Is 639 00:56:55.639 --> 00:57:05.519 that because that you're aligning yourself with more of a positivity with the part energy, 640 00:57:05.760 --> 00:57:09.320 And that's that's the true nature of how we're supposed to live in the 641 00:57:09.320 --> 00:57:15.960 divine reality. I mean you mentioned at the beginning, we're really in a 642 00:57:16.199 --> 00:57:24.119 dense, combative, traumatizing world right now. I have heard that Earth is 643 00:57:24.159 --> 00:57:30.719 the only place where souls incarnate here and completely forget that they are part of 644 00:57:30.760 --> 00:57:36.840 God. That there are other galaxies and other places where souls incarnate where they 645 00:57:36.920 --> 00:57:42.280 remember that they are part of God. But here we forget everything we you 646 00:57:42.320 --> 00:57:45.679 know, they call it the veil of forgetfulness, and there's reasons for that. 647 00:57:45.920 --> 00:57:49.880 You know, we have to be able to play the game here in 648 00:57:49.960 --> 00:57:55.239 order to learn from it. But you know that veil of forgetfulness means that 649 00:57:55.440 --> 00:58:00.840 we have to strive to not believe everything thing we see, and what I've 650 00:58:01.199 --> 00:58:08.280 been told by spirits is that nothing on earth is really as it seems, 651 00:58:08.480 --> 00:58:15.559 which means that for example, my husband Paul, going through terrible what the 652 00:58:15.679 --> 00:58:22.000 people called tragedy of a young death to cancer, was his own soul's way 653 00:58:22.039 --> 00:58:28.119 of burning up some negativity that he needed to burn up from many lifetimes that 654 00:58:28.159 --> 00:58:31.880 he couldn't break patterns of, or he thought he couldn't break patterns of in 655 00:58:31.920 --> 00:58:37.360 any other way. So his soul chose a path of physical suffering. We 656 00:58:37.400 --> 00:58:40.519 don't have to choose that, but some souls do. And by the time 657 00:58:40.519 --> 00:58:45.960 he crossed, he was a pure being of love and light. And so 658 00:58:45.000 --> 00:58:49.400 when we begin to ask, like, when I look at that tragedy, 659 00:58:50.239 --> 00:58:55.639 is there possibly another way to view it? Yeah? Wow, that's amazing. 660 00:58:57.559 --> 00:59:00.519 I've had deaths in my family that have been very, very traumatic for 661 00:59:00.599 --> 00:59:06.559 me as well. My grandfather, who was like my father. When he 662 00:59:06.679 --> 00:59:09.199 passed, I was just no good for two years. I had to go 663 00:59:09.239 --> 00:59:14.920 to therapy and it was just traumatic because you lean on that person for so 664 00:59:15.039 --> 00:59:20.400 much of your of your wisdom and guidance, you know, And that's the 665 00:59:20.400 --> 00:59:24.239 big thing. But the thing is they're still here, He's still whispering in 666 00:59:24.320 --> 00:59:30.519 your ear. How do we contact people like that? Do we just say 667 00:59:30.840 --> 00:59:35.880 in our meditation, you know, grandfather, I need to connect with you. 668 00:59:36.800 --> 00:59:38.719 Tell me. Well. I used to teach workshops on this, and 669 00:59:38.760 --> 00:59:45.480 I still do it occasionally, where I teach that you can picture that person 670 00:59:45.599 --> 00:59:51.159 the way you remember them as their best, happiest self, not maybe when 671 00:59:51.199 --> 00:59:54.719 they were sick or falling apart later in life. You want to remember them 672 00:59:54.840 --> 01:00:00.079 as their best self and hold that picture with love, with laughter, with 673 01:00:00.199 --> 01:00:06.199 light, and then ask them to give you some guidance. And you've got 674 01:00:06.199 --> 01:00:09.599 to pick up your pen and paper immediately and start writing. And I would 675 01:00:09.639 --> 01:00:15.440 have a room of forty and fifty people, each connecting to their own departed 676 01:00:15.480 --> 01:00:21.519 loved one and writing very quickly, and then we would share and read to 677 01:00:21.559 --> 01:00:25.039 each other what we had received. It was mind blowing. Even the most 678 01:00:25.119 --> 01:00:32.039 cynical person would get writing that would begin to sound exactly like they're departed voice, 679 01:00:32.199 --> 01:00:37.039 and what they're departed would actually say to them, and as they would 680 01:00:37.079 --> 01:00:39.360 read it, you know, tears would be streaming down their face, going, 681 01:00:39.880 --> 01:00:44.199 I know that was my son, I know it was. And so 682 01:00:44.320 --> 01:00:50.760 you need your own personal experience of connecting that way and writing what you receive. 683 01:00:51.400 --> 01:00:57.039 And the reason I say picture a happy vision of them is because it 684 01:00:57.119 --> 01:01:02.320 lifts you up to a higher vibration and we have to raise our vibration in 685 01:01:02.440 --> 01:01:07.719 order to feel them and connect with them because they're in a very high vibrational 686 01:01:07.800 --> 01:01:12.960 plane. Yeah, you know, it's funny. There are various stages throughout 687 01:01:13.000 --> 01:01:16.880 the ages that say we're a God, we're incarnated to God, and we 688 01:01:17.000 --> 01:01:22.199 just don't know it. And it would be wonderful if we had a mystery 689 01:01:22.239 --> 01:01:25.119 school, sacred school that would show us how to connect with the departed, 690 01:01:25.559 --> 01:01:30.599 how to work with the lifetimes. Here it's just and it's coming back in 691 01:01:30.679 --> 01:01:35.920 bits and pieces. Meditation. You can get these Hindu guys coming to the 692 01:01:35.960 --> 01:01:42.199 Americas, you know, here and there. But we're so challenged as physical 693 01:01:42.239 --> 01:01:46.320 beings that sometimes we forget that we have the ability to do these things right. 694 01:01:46.840 --> 01:01:51.000 Well, this is a crazy time on earth, and I really don't 695 01:01:51.039 --> 01:01:57.880 want anybody feeling bad about themselves if today they're very depressed or angry or anxious, 696 01:01:58.440 --> 01:02:01.639 because those are going to be normal, normal feelings in the world today. 697 01:02:01.679 --> 01:02:07.519 But think of it, this way. It's also our opportunity to see 698 01:02:07.679 --> 01:02:12.079 all the things going on that upset us, and then to shift, with 699 01:02:12.159 --> 01:02:16.079 help from spirit, into the place of saying, I am grateful that I'm 700 01:02:16.079 --> 01:02:22.599 taking another breath and I have another chance to see this differently, and I 701 01:02:22.639 --> 01:02:29.559 am calling in spirit Angel God departed loved ones to help me see the good 702 01:02:29.599 --> 01:02:34.960 in the world. Because God, the good lives in every minute of every 703 01:02:35.079 --> 01:02:38.159 day of this life. We just have to see it that way. Wow. 704 01:02:38.280 --> 01:02:44.280 The book's called Truly Divine Lens. My guest has been Sue Frederick. 705 01:02:45.199 --> 01:02:49.679 Sue, you have a section in your book that I'm always curious about. 706 01:02:50.159 --> 01:02:55.239 It's called soulmates. And it's funny because most people think, Okay, I 707 01:02:55.280 --> 01:03:00.880 have to find my soulmate or I won't be whole. Talk a little bit 708 01:03:00.920 --> 01:03:04.079 about soulmates, because you know, it's not just I've always learned this and 709 01:03:04.159 --> 01:03:07.039 you can tell me your opinion, but soulmates can be friends. YEA, 710 01:03:08.360 --> 01:03:12.800 many soulmates in our lives. We have many, and they come in for 711 01:03:12.920 --> 01:03:17.440 different reasons and they're part of our soul posse that we have incarnated in many 712 01:03:17.519 --> 01:03:22.960 lifetimes with. And one soulmate may come in to be your first heartbreak and 713 01:03:23.039 --> 01:03:28.519 your twenties to help you wake up and figure out who you are. And 714 01:03:28.559 --> 01:03:32.039 then another soulmate may come in to be your best friend to help you process 715 01:03:32.199 --> 01:03:37.119 life. Another soulmate can come in later to be the one you have a 716 01:03:37.159 --> 01:03:42.800 home and family with. All of these agreements are made before the lifetime and 717 01:03:42.840 --> 01:03:46.079 what we have to do to find them and recognize them. You know what 718 01:03:46.119 --> 01:03:51.519 I'm going to say, raise our own vibration. Try to live our life 719 01:03:51.559 --> 01:03:55.119 according to our true work, our true purpose, and that holds our energy 720 01:03:55.679 --> 01:04:00.159 in such a high vibrational place that the people we have these soul agreements with 721 01:04:00.760 --> 01:04:06.400 can come with us at the right time and join our lives and help us 722 01:04:06.480 --> 01:04:13.039 live that true purpose of our lifetime journey. Give me an example of somebody 723 01:04:13.079 --> 01:04:18.559 who not necessarily would be a intimate soulmate, somebody who would be a friend. 724 01:04:18.599 --> 01:04:23.599 How would you know that they're a soulmate. Well, I'm so used 725 01:04:23.599 --> 01:04:27.440 to trusting my heart and my gut that I kind of know it in the 726 01:04:27.480 --> 01:04:30.719 first conversation. But if it makes you, if the relationship makes you feel 727 01:04:31.480 --> 01:04:39.679 happy and loving and excited and even exhilarated with new ideas, this is somebody 728 01:04:39.679 --> 01:04:45.920 you've known before in another life. When I moved here to Arizona and I 729 01:04:45.000 --> 01:04:49.559 was connected with these women who I love so much, who do the same 730 01:04:49.639 --> 01:04:55.239 kind of spirit work that I do. The first coffee meeting we ever had 731 01:04:55.280 --> 01:04:59.000 together, I was crying. I was like, oh my god, I 732 01:04:59.079 --> 01:05:02.760 remember all. I'm so happy I found you again in this life. And 733 01:05:02.840 --> 01:05:09.599 that's how you feel when you reconnect with soulmates that you've known through many, 734 01:05:09.639 --> 01:05:14.880 many lives. I love that you're so moved, that you're moved to tears, 735 01:05:15.639 --> 01:05:18.320 and you're surrounded by these people that you probably remember from different lifetimes. 736 01:05:18.360 --> 01:05:24.079 It's so funny. That's another thing that's really depressing about the current point of 737 01:05:24.159 --> 01:05:29.239 view is that in our society, Western culture, reincarnation is not looked at 738 01:05:29.719 --> 01:05:33.800 as something that's a functional tool. And there's research to show and you know 739 01:05:33.920 --> 01:05:39.800 this, So many scientists have done research with children. There's even a new 740 01:05:39.920 --> 01:05:44.119 Netflix documentary about it, which I can't remember the name of, where they 741 01:05:44.199 --> 01:05:49.119 interview these young children who are having very specific memories of a past lifetime and 742 01:05:49.159 --> 01:05:56.039 they actually go and trace that previous life with those details. And then what's 743 01:05:56.079 --> 01:06:00.079 so interesting is by the time the child is five or six, being programmed 744 01:06:00.199 --> 01:06:04.320 by school, by teachers. By all of that, they began to forget 745 01:06:04.360 --> 01:06:09.719 all this, and by the time they're teenagers they even deny it. So 746 01:06:09.800 --> 01:06:15.280 the documentary followed this one child from about the age of three on through teenage 747 01:06:15.360 --> 01:06:17.920 years, and in his teenage years he was like, oh, I don't 748 01:06:17.920 --> 01:06:24.800 talk about that stuff anymore. But in his childhood he was missing and longing 749 01:06:24.880 --> 01:06:29.039 and grieving for He would wake up in the night telling his mom, where 750 01:06:29.079 --> 01:06:33.360 are my children? I want to go home, and he would vividly describe 751 01:06:33.639 --> 01:06:39.440 where he had lived before. My own daughter did this when she was little, 752 01:06:39.800 --> 01:06:44.119 where she would tell me things like remember last time when I was the 753 01:06:44.199 --> 01:06:46.559 mom, and I would look at her and go, okay, tell me 754 01:06:46.639 --> 01:06:51.400 about that. I would be looking at my kid going okay, give it 755 01:06:51.440 --> 01:06:56.679 to me, kid, Yeah, tell me tell me about it now so 756 01:06:56.719 --> 01:07:00.360 I can be a better mom to you. Did it help, she had 757 01:07:00.360 --> 01:07:02.119 to say, Did it make any sense? Yeah? I mean I know 758 01:07:02.239 --> 01:07:05.960 she's an old soul because my daughter came to me before she was born. 759 01:07:06.360 --> 01:07:11.519 If I can share this story, I was forty three and I had been 760 01:07:11.559 --> 01:07:15.119 told I couldn't get pregnant, and I was quite sad about that, because 761 01:07:15.159 --> 01:07:18.199 I'd lost my husband and so many people I loved. And you know, 762 01:07:18.280 --> 01:07:23.360 when you're widowed in your thirties and everybody you know is getting married and having 763 01:07:23.679 --> 01:07:27.599 children, you feel like a fish out of water. And I was so 764 01:07:27.719 --> 01:07:32.639 brokenhearted. And suddenly I was dating someone long distance. I was forty three. 765 01:07:32.679 --> 01:07:40.079 I'd never been able to get pregnant, and I'm really miraculously got pregnant, 766 01:07:40.119 --> 01:07:44.480 but I didn't know it yet. And one night, in a dream 767 01:07:44.599 --> 01:07:49.079 vision, I was I flew into this big house. It was all white 768 01:07:49.119 --> 01:07:54.199 space, white rooms, and I flew into this one room and this little 769 01:07:54.239 --> 01:08:00.199 girl was standing against the wall and she looked at me, and she had 770 01:08:00.280 --> 01:08:04.679 blonde hair and brown eyes and a beautiful face. And I flew up to 771 01:08:04.760 --> 01:08:09.599 her and I said, are you my little girl? And she said yes, 772 01:08:10.320 --> 01:08:13.400 and I said, so you're going to be my daughter now. She 773 01:08:13.480 --> 01:08:15.520 said I think so. And I said, well, what's your name? 774 01:08:16.159 --> 01:08:21.760 And she said something soft like Sarah. And I just looked at her and 775 01:08:21.800 --> 01:08:27.239 I said, I just want you to know I really really love you. 776 01:08:27.720 --> 01:08:31.640 And she looked at me with this ancient wisdom and said, and I really 777 01:08:31.680 --> 01:08:36.960 really love you. And nine months later, I was holding in my arms 778 01:08:38.520 --> 01:08:44.720 this perfect, beautiful little girl named Sarah who has been the light of my 779 01:08:44.800 --> 01:08:50.119 life. I love that story. That's wonderful through a divine lens. As 780 01:08:50.159 --> 01:08:55.960 we conclude, Sue, who should read this book? Who is this book 781 01:08:56.000 --> 01:09:00.319 for? Well, especially if someone is grieving or really feeling angry at the 782 01:09:00.359 --> 01:09:06.520 world or career having trouble manifesting their true work. They'll find tools and ideas 783 01:09:06.560 --> 01:09:12.079 and techniques in that book that will really help them see it a different way. 784 01:09:12.600 --> 01:09:15.039 Wonderful. All right, How can people get a hold of you? 785 01:09:15.119 --> 01:09:17.159 I see you have a website here, give us your web address, Sue 786 01:09:17.199 --> 01:09:23.720 Frederick dot com s U E F R E D E R I c K 787 01:09:24.000 --> 01:09:28.319 dot com. I also have a YouTube channel and lots of books on Amazon 788 01:09:28.680 --> 01:09:32.239 excellent. And there's also one here called career intuitive dot org. Is that 789 01:09:32.680 --> 01:09:36.800 they both go to the same place. Oh okay, fantastic, Hey, 790 01:09:36.920 --> 01:09:41.359 Sue, real pleasure, and we're gonna have to have you back. I 791 01:09:41.399 --> 01:09:45.159 really you just rip into it. It's great, you've been tapped into this 792 01:09:45.199 --> 01:09:48.159 for so long. It's fun to speak with you. Yeah, it was 793 01:09:48.199 --> 01:09:59.000 really fun. Thank you, Cliff. It's good to have Sue on the 794 01:09:59.039 --> 01:10:02.560 program. You know it's funny. I was thinking of some of the people 795 01:10:02.600 --> 01:10:06.279 I've had at conferences who have had near death experiences. These are people who 796 01:10:06.319 --> 01:10:15.520 have been declared dead on the operating table or had massive carnaries and were pronounced 797 01:10:15.560 --> 01:10:20.199 dead for periods of time, and they went to the place we call heaven 798 01:10:20.359 --> 01:10:25.720 or the other realms, or they shifted and when they were told it's not 799 01:10:25.800 --> 01:10:30.680 their time to die, and they came back some of the some of the 800 01:10:30.720 --> 01:10:36.640 information that they received from whatever the individuals were, the the you can call 801 01:10:36.680 --> 01:10:40.920 them angels, you can call them friends, you can call them guides, 802 01:10:41.000 --> 01:10:45.279 whatever is that. Earth is a college, Earth is a university. Earth 803 01:10:45.399 --> 01:10:49.960 is a challenge, and when you're physical, it's also very very challenging. 804 01:10:50.039 --> 01:10:54.600 You can read books, you can get books now that talk about the higher 805 01:10:54.640 --> 01:10:57.520 realms. When you leave your body, when you're a spirit, where you're 806 01:10:57.600 --> 01:11:03.880 when you're a soul was pure energetic soul. You don't have the cumber someness 807 01:11:03.880 --> 01:11:08.159 of the body, and it's a lot easier to get around, a lot 808 01:11:08.239 --> 01:11:15.079 easier to project thoughts and things like that. Again, we are this dense 809 01:11:15.600 --> 01:11:20.199 body, cellular body, and we are surrounded by other bodies, and we're 810 01:11:20.239 --> 01:11:27.800 surrounded by unseen vibrations in our microwaves and our cell phone towers, in our 811 01:11:27.880 --> 01:11:34.119 streaming media. We're getting bombarded and this is just causing havoc. And I'll 812 01:11:34.119 --> 01:11:39.279 tell you if I didn't meditate, I'd be in serious trouble. I mean, 813 01:11:39.319 --> 01:11:43.119 I was just thinking of it when she was talking about. The point 814 01:11:43.159 --> 01:11:47.479 I'm trying to make is you have to have as many tools in your arsenal 815 01:11:47.760 --> 01:11:56.119 of clarity of wellness as you can find. Some people go out and jog 816 01:11:56.199 --> 01:11:59.920 and they get they feel better, you know, because they have a hormone 817 01:12:00.119 --> 01:12:04.920 dump and they also have a cleansy. It's a detox, but that's physical. 818 01:12:05.039 --> 01:12:08.560 I think you know you can do that. That helps a lot. 819 01:12:08.560 --> 01:12:15.039 But if you can shift your mind, if you can leave insanity for twenty 820 01:12:15.079 --> 01:12:17.840 minutes, for a half an hour, whatever meditative process that you do, 821 01:12:18.479 --> 01:12:24.840 it is so profound. And I remember reading in fact, you can go 822 01:12:24.920 --> 01:12:30.880 and look for transidental meditation benefits and you'll see these very, very detailed scientific 823 01:12:30.920 --> 01:12:35.239 reports that really are not necessarily talking about transidental meditation. They're talking about the 824 01:12:35.239 --> 01:12:41.079 effects of meditation on the brain and on the body. It is so beneficial. 825 01:12:41.920 --> 01:12:45.680 In fact, some people are considering it one of these longevity techniques where 826 01:12:45.720 --> 01:12:49.319 you when you meditate, you keep the brain young, you keep the brain 827 01:12:49.399 --> 01:12:57.279 active, and an active young brain and a healthy body is a solution for 828 01:12:57.439 --> 01:13:03.039 longevity and for obvious wellness. So I have found that this technique of meditation 829 01:13:03.159 --> 01:13:08.960 is huge, and we heard it from Sue. I have tried to give 830 01:13:09.039 --> 01:13:13.680 everybody an idea how to do it. I think that also, I think 831 01:13:13.680 --> 01:13:20.359 there's also techniques in the form of prayer that could be really beneficial. I 832 01:13:20.359 --> 01:13:25.760 think the bottom line is quieting the brain, quieting the busy mind, and 833 01:13:25.840 --> 01:13:30.399 that is really a huge challenge. We got our cell phones, we've got 834 01:13:30.760 --> 01:13:33.239 TV, we've got radio, we got movies, we've got all kinds of 835 01:13:33.239 --> 01:13:42.439 stuff that are taxing our consciousness and it's not good. So anyhow, get 836 01:13:42.479 --> 01:13:45.279 her book. Her book's quite interesting. Actually, it's a it's an easy 837 01:13:45.319 --> 01:13:50.000 read through a divine lens. Came out in June. Came out in June 838 01:13:50.079 --> 01:13:56.960 this year. Hey, the holidays are almost upon us, and it's time 839 01:13:57.039 --> 01:14:01.680 for giving. 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I'll put you on the list, and then as soon as we 876 01:16:57.119 --> 01:17:00.199 get our information together our iteorary is solid, I'll send it to you. 877 01:17:01.560 --> 01:17:06.399 So there you go, Egypt, Turkey. What a wonderful gift to give 878 01:17:06.439 --> 01:17:14.680 yourself, so consider it. Earth Ancients dot com Forward slash tours. All 879 01:17:14.760 --> 01:17:15.560 right, that's it for this week. I want to think. My guest 880 01:17:15.640 --> 01:17:20.720 today Sue Frederick, coming to us from Arizona, her new book Through a 881 01:17:20.800 --> 01:17:29.119 Divine Lens. Fantastic as always, the team of Ruth Thomas, Mark Foster 882 01:17:29.680 --> 01:17:32.720 and everyone who makes this thing happen. You guys, rock, you really 883 01:17:32.760 --> 01:17:36.880 do. All right, Take care, be well, and we will talk 884 01:17:36.880 --> 01:17:38.880 to you next time.