WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.640 --> 00:00:06.440 Steve Rivera and jayken Salez. They have their I on the Ball on Tucson's 2 00:00:06.480 --> 00:00:12.119 Sports Stage yet Fox Sports fourteen fifty streaming live. I mean I heard Radio 3 00:00:12.160 --> 00:00:15.759 wams Hey, welcome back to Winding the Ball here on Fox Sports fourteen fifty. 4 00:00:16.079 --> 00:00:20.440 I'm Steve, He's Jay. We have Henry with breaking news on the 5 00:00:20.559 --> 00:00:26.879 ball. Breaking news on Fox Sports fourteen fifty for the first breaking news. 6 00:00:27.359 --> 00:00:32.560 The Texas A and M baseball coach Jim lawn at Gale Leftford, Texas yesterday 7 00:00:32.600 --> 00:00:35.880 after leading the end. He's to the College World Series, right, But 8 00:00:36.000 --> 00:00:39.200 I think today he had the press converse and he apologize the apodcast. What 9 00:00:39.240 --> 00:00:42.679 did he say, I'm trying to find it. I took the job. 10 00:00:43.640 --> 00:00:46.280 I took the job and to never haven't taken another job and hasn't changed my 11 00:00:46.320 --> 00:00:50.840 mind. He said, that's unfair to talk about this something again. But 12 00:00:51.719 --> 00:00:54.960 hold on. He asked his question there I was questioning, I think, 13 00:00:55.119 --> 00:00:58.399 but he apologized. I was here. I wish I could have answered that 14 00:00:58.520 --> 00:01:00.679 better. But in the moment, all thirty minutes after the last pitch, 15 00:01:00.880 --> 00:01:04.040 all I could think about was our players, and I really wasn't in the 16 00:01:04.079 --> 00:01:08.560 mood to talk about myself in the future. That's a stupid another stupid answer. 17 00:01:08.599 --> 00:01:12.680 He just made it worse. Have you said, apparently this connection because 18 00:01:12.719 --> 00:01:17.879 he's friends with Delcanti, who used to be with TCU, that this deal 19 00:01:18.040 --> 00:01:21.640 was set a long time time ago. Right. The funny thing is we 20 00:01:21.680 --> 00:01:26.079 witnesss this three or four years ago. Johnson did kind of the same thing 21 00:01:26.319 --> 00:01:30.079 when he went to LSU. Right, But what this guy did he knew 22 00:01:30.120 --> 00:01:34.359 he had this job. It would have been very simple, very simple, 23 00:01:34.879 --> 00:01:38.319 just say I'm not talking about other jobs right now. We just lost a 24 00:01:38.400 --> 00:01:42.000 national championship game. I want to focus on the kids. I'm not sure 25 00:01:42.000 --> 00:01:45.239 I'm not saying anything about that. And if people want to speculate all that, 26 00:01:45.280 --> 00:01:48.519 they want to speculate about that, Oh well he's taking the job. 27 00:01:48.680 --> 00:01:53.560 Fine, let him speculate. But don't rip the reporter for being right on 28 00:01:53.640 --> 00:01:57.200 something just because you don't like the timing of that person being right. That 29 00:01:57.359 --> 00:02:00.680 was that was really stupid, so it says. On Wednesday, the coach 30 00:02:00.799 --> 00:02:04.879 said he wanted to apologize to the reporter, Richard Zaine from the Texas Eggs 31 00:02:04.920 --> 00:02:07.439 dot com. He asked a question that was an obvious question. I wish 32 00:02:07.479 --> 00:02:10.840 I could have answered it better, but at the moment all three of you 33 00:02:10.919 --> 00:02:14.639 met, the moment, I was a dumb ass and that's what I did. 34 00:02:15.240 --> 00:02:23.919 So yeah, I get I just get so offended when people are dishonest 35 00:02:23.800 --> 00:02:30.400 and then they get pissed at somebody for calling them under dishonesty. You know, 36 00:02:30.800 --> 00:02:35.319 well, he he, he should have thought of this answer back the 37 00:02:35.400 --> 00:02:39.159 way before, right before the game started. Possibility. Okay, there's spot 38 00:02:39.199 --> 00:02:43.240 I'm gonna get asked this. Here's what I need to say and stick to 39 00:02:43.280 --> 00:02:46.400 that. You know, and that, well, this is what this is 40 00:02:46.439 --> 00:02:47.400 and you know this. You know this because you did this and I did 41 00:02:47.400 --> 00:02:52.639 this for a long time. These coaches, especially in the audience, are 42 00:02:52.800 --> 00:02:59.719 hoping or hopeful that those questions don't come up honestly right because because it's their 43 00:02:59.719 --> 00:03:05.039 oddit. Steve, one of my jobs at TEP when I was the public 44 00:03:05.080 --> 00:03:10.360 relations guy was to prepare our executives for TV interviews, uh, you know, 45 00:03:10.800 --> 00:03:14.919 meetings, whatever. And I would say, literally, I would I 46 00:03:14.919 --> 00:03:17.439 would sit down and I say, Okay, we're gonna we're gonna do this 47 00:03:17.639 --> 00:03:22.280 like I'm the reporter and you're the guy. These are the questions that you're 48 00:03:22.280 --> 00:03:24.360 gonna get asked, and we would go through their answers and then say, 49 00:03:24.400 --> 00:03:28.319 Okay, that's not the answer, you know, say something more along the 50 00:03:28.360 --> 00:03:31.240 lines of this. And we prepared them for this stuff like that because that's 51 00:03:31.240 --> 00:03:34.639 what you have to do, and that's what that was a big part of 52 00:03:34.680 --> 00:03:39.120 my job in this particular case. You know that the head baseball coach isn't 53 00:03:39.120 --> 00:03:43.599 going to listen to a sports information director to say, coach, you need 54 00:03:43.639 --> 00:03:46.120 to go say this. He's got to think of it on his own, 55 00:03:46.280 --> 00:03:51.080 although it may be this id's job to go tell him. Look, coach, 56 00:03:51.280 --> 00:03:53.759 you're probably gonna get asked about this, so think of an answer, 57 00:03:53.960 --> 00:03:55.319 and you know, and make it a good one. You don't and don't 58 00:03:55.360 --> 00:04:00.000 say, don't tell the reporter to screw off if you're gonna take the job 59 00:04:00.240 --> 00:04:03.960 tomorrow. Well, the reporter looks fine, it's the coach that looks bad. 60 00:04:04.199 --> 00:04:09.479 Exactly. No, the reporter did absolutely nothing wrong. And I think 61 00:04:09.479 --> 00:04:15.240 even the anybody who hates the media doesn't think the reporter did anything wrong. 62 00:04:15.400 --> 00:04:18.079 It's an obvious question. It's the reporter's job to ask those questions. That's 63 00:04:18.079 --> 00:04:24.639 why they're there. It's but the coach needs to handle it like an adult 64 00:04:25.240 --> 00:04:29.360 and handle it like a professional and just say I'm not Roy Williams did that. 65 00:04:29.399 --> 00:04:31.800 Remember again, we talked about this yesterday that Bonnie Bonnie Bernstein asked me. 66 00:04:31.879 --> 00:04:33.800 He said, look, I just lost answer Champions game. I'm not 67 00:04:33.839 --> 00:04:36.160 talking about that, and that was fine. I think he even had it. 68 00:04:36.199 --> 00:04:39.279 There was a cuss word in there. It was right, because I'm 69 00:04:39.279 --> 00:04:41.319 talking about that he had. Well, this is what he kind of said. 70 00:04:41.399 --> 00:04:44.519 I remember directly because I was there. He says, uh, I 71 00:04:44.560 --> 00:04:47.040 know that you have people in your ear telling you to ask this question. 72 00:04:47.199 --> 00:04:50.199 Yeah, and then he answered it that way, a little a little cursey, 73 00:04:50.279 --> 00:04:55.279 a little little you know, but even his answer was okay, yeah, 74 00:04:55.399 --> 00:04:58.759 and what guess what? So everybody just continued to speculate. He took 75 00:04:58.800 --> 00:05:00.759 the job, and we knew that was going to happen, but it it. 76 00:05:00.839 --> 00:05:02.920 You know, he had to be he had to handle it that way. 77 00:05:03.040 --> 00:05:05.959 This coach should have done the exact same thing. Instead, he crapped 78 00:05:06.000 --> 00:05:10.199 all over this reporter and then he looked stupid the next day when he took 79 00:05:10.240 --> 00:05:15.399 the job. Yeah, okay. Arizona has got three new football commits for 80 00:05:15.480 --> 00:05:19.279 twenty twenty five May's p's defensive linemen, and they got cornerback Coleman Padman, 81 00:05:19.360 --> 00:05:24.399 and then they got a twenty twenty six commit o lineman Bobo Langie, so 82 00:05:24.439 --> 00:05:27.279 that in the last few days, right, it's gotta buy by eleven. 83 00:05:28.959 --> 00:05:30.759 See, its like twenty. I mean, there's been a bunch, a 84 00:05:30.759 --> 00:05:33.720 whole bunch of guys. So I'm I'm uh, I'll be the Pooh pooh 85 00:05:33.720 --> 00:05:38.040 guy. So we don't we they're getting pretty good guys. We don't know 86 00:05:38.079 --> 00:05:41.800 what quality of guys, but they're getting some pretty good guys. Uh. 87 00:05:41.839 --> 00:05:45.519 They're gonna have to coach them up obviously, right, but if they're halfway 88 00:05:45.959 --> 00:05:48.000 decent, Oh, I don't even know who else is chasing him, right, 89 00:05:48.439 --> 00:05:51.879 we'll see and again, more than anything, it's like it's when you 90 00:05:51.920 --> 00:05:58.079 find out you know who they're fighting for guys, you know who they're you 91 00:05:58.079 --> 00:06:01.759 know where the what, what choices these guys have, right, and they 92 00:06:01.759 --> 00:06:04.560 all have good choices. So you know the fact that Arizona's getting them, 93 00:06:04.600 --> 00:06:08.560 you know, you just feel you feel good about it. You again, 94 00:06:08.639 --> 00:06:10.800 as you say, we don't know, and we won't know till we see 95 00:06:10.839 --> 00:06:14.199 him. And then again in the game, and uh, you know, 96 00:06:14.240 --> 00:06:18.079 I always go back to, uh, you know, when when Dick told 97 00:06:18.120 --> 00:06:26.319 me had had recruited Michael Bates and before it was sometime before fall camp started, 98 00:06:26.319 --> 00:06:28.879 and I said, is he gonna be any good? He just said, 99 00:06:29.160 --> 00:06:30.399 we'll find out the first time he gets hit in the mouth. Yeah, 100 00:06:30.920 --> 00:06:34.600 you know so, And that's and that's the way it's gonna be. 101 00:06:34.720 --> 00:06:40.439 You don't know until you know. So we'll see. The Big Twelve announced 102 00:06:40.480 --> 00:06:45.120 that they will be announcing the college men's basketball and women's basketball home and away 103 00:06:45.160 --> 00:06:47.560 matchups tomorrow. Oh okay, all right, well we just brought that up 104 00:06:47.600 --> 00:06:50.600 a little bit ago. All right, good, we'll find out tomorrow, 105 00:06:51.240 --> 00:06:55.199 you know. I mean, I know what Arizona fans are hoping for, 106 00:06:55.279 --> 00:06:58.160 right. You hope to see Kansas stay here twice. You hope to see 107 00:06:58.160 --> 00:07:01.079 maybe Baylor here twice. I'm not here, but playing playing them twice. 108 00:07:01.120 --> 00:07:04.040 And you have to see all those teams here. That's the whole idea. 109 00:07:04.079 --> 00:07:09.879 So we'll see how that comes out. Mckel bridges was traded to the Knicks 110 00:07:09.879 --> 00:07:14.240 for five first round picks, and now they've got four Villanova players all on 111 00:07:14.279 --> 00:07:17.199 the same team from when they won the championship together in college. Wow, 112 00:07:18.040 --> 00:07:24.439 four five four w see, that's good, it's pretty good. That's a 113 00:07:24.439 --> 00:07:27.800 lot of that's a lot of draft picks. I mean they traded in the 114 00:07:27.879 --> 00:07:30.160 trade for Katie. They only give up four first round picks the sun soon, 115 00:07:30.279 --> 00:07:34.439 so let's next give it more than the five first round picks for Michale 116 00:07:34.480 --> 00:07:42.040 Bridges. Well, Steve broke him back to being the player to be named 117 00:07:42.079 --> 00:07:48.480 the back of balls. And Georgia beat Portugal in the euro Cup and people 118 00:07:48.480 --> 00:07:53.720 are saying it's the biggest upset in euro Cup history. Georgia like not the 119 00:07:53.759 --> 00:08:01.759 Georgia Bulldogs, right. I saw I saw a tweet to that they put 120 00:08:01.800 --> 00:08:09.199 you posted the score and then the channel was sec EC Yeah wow okay, 121 00:08:09.439 --> 00:08:13.839 And then another soccer thing. Alex Morgan was left off the saw that. 122 00:08:13.040 --> 00:08:18.240 Yeah her time is now is old, right, Yeah, first time she's 123 00:08:18.279 --> 00:08:22.439 thirty five or whatever. Yeah, first time since two thousand and eight, 124 00:08:22.959 --> 00:08:26.839 the team since Wow, well that's a long time. Yeah, you know, 125 00:08:26.000 --> 00:08:28.680 look the time runs out, man, you know, go go to 126 00:08:28.720 --> 00:08:31.440 the rocking chair now, but just go hang out, that's all I go. 127 00:08:31.720 --> 00:08:37.320 All right, okay, all right, So where do we think Bronnie 128 00:08:37.360 --> 00:08:41.480 James is gonna get drafted. You know, I'm seeing everything from you know, 129 00:08:43.480 --> 00:08:46.240 well, you're hearing that the Suns are interested in it. Well it 130 00:08:46.279 --> 00:08:50.559 was them and Lakers who worked them out, right, I got can't you 131 00:08:50.639 --> 00:08:54.120 be I don't know, in the world of life is not fair. This 132 00:08:54.200 --> 00:09:00.080 is exactly why. Because the other guys are pretty better than him. Yeah, 133 00:09:00.120 --> 00:09:03.080 and you are who you are. Yeah, he might end up with 134 00:09:03.159 --> 00:09:07.399 the NBA when he's by the naked eye, doesn't look like he's ready for 135 00:09:07.480 --> 00:09:09.679 it. Yeah, well I I yeah, I mean, and I think 136 00:09:09.720 --> 00:09:13.840 I read somewhere that there's not going to be a two way contract. There's 137 00:09:13.879 --> 00:09:16.799 nothing there's right that. Well, his his his agent has said, we're 138 00:09:16.840 --> 00:09:20.000 not doing two way contracts. So okay, So if nobody takes you, 139 00:09:20.039 --> 00:09:24.480 then it sounds to me like at worst that the Lakers are going to take 140 00:09:24.559 --> 00:09:28.320 him with like the fifty fifth pick, right, Yeah, so that if 141 00:09:28.320 --> 00:09:31.360 he's there at fifty at the fifty fifth pick, that they will take him. 142 00:09:31.399 --> 00:09:35.799 So probably some certainty that he's going to be drafted. I would imagine. 143 00:09:37.200 --> 00:09:41.240 I would imagine that if you that if the Lakers were not going to 144 00:09:41.360 --> 00:09:45.200 use some sort of a pick on him, that his that Lebron would have 145 00:09:45.240 --> 00:09:48.399 told him to stay in school. Yeah, right, I mean that's sort 146 00:09:48.399 --> 00:09:54.759 of that's the logic that I'm thinking of here, that if his dad would 147 00:09:54.759 --> 00:09:58.200 have said, well, nobody, nobody's taking you and I the fact that 148 00:09:58.200 --> 00:10:03.360 you're my kid isn't helping. So stay in school another year, you get 149 00:10:03.440 --> 00:10:05.080 drafted next year. Right, So let me let me go through this because 150 00:10:05.200 --> 00:10:09.759 Brian Peterson, who I had mentioned earlier about our bet with Keyshada and mister 151 00:10:09.840 --> 00:10:16.600 Larson Bleach Report thirty ninth to Minnesota for forty third, to by Yahoo to 152 00:10:16.639 --> 00:10:22.879 Miami fiftieth, to Indiana fifty first to Washington the Wizards, and Sports Illustrated 153 00:10:22.879 --> 00:10:28.879 has a fifty second to that's Johnson Golden State. So anywhere from thirty ninth 154 00:10:28.000 --> 00:10:35.240 to fifty second, okay, okay, and pelee is fortieth to Portland Sports 155 00:10:35.279 --> 00:10:41.559 Illustrated forty first, to Philadelphia, Bleacher Report forty third, Ringer forty seventh, 156 00:10:41.120 --> 00:10:46.159 and Yahoo forty eighth, So mostly in the forties. Yeah, and 157 00:10:46.639 --> 00:10:50.679 Johnson in the as one in the thirty ninth and the rest. That's a 158 00:10:50.679 --> 00:10:54.440 fun bet, Steve. I think it's a fair bet now that I look 159 00:10:54.519 --> 00:11:01.080 at it, obviously keyshod Is the is the physically athletic ready guy. But 160 00:11:01.200 --> 00:11:03.799 still that's what the league is about. Well, but you still got a 161 00:11:03.840 --> 00:11:05.879 score. Still, Yeah, in the end, you got to be able 162 00:11:05.879 --> 00:11:09.720 to put the ball in the basket somehow. I mean, I mean, 163 00:11:09.759 --> 00:11:13.879 what's his name, Ronde Hollis. Jefferson was able to make a little bit 164 00:11:13.919 --> 00:11:16.639 of a career out, you know, without being a scorer, but in 165 00:11:16.679 --> 00:11:18.759 the end he needed to be a score if you wanted to stick in the 166 00:11:18.840 --> 00:11:22.080 league. Right, how long was he in the three? Three years? 167 00:11:22.080 --> 00:11:26.879 Like three? Right? So you know, so in the end you have 168 00:11:26.960 --> 00:11:28.000 to be able to do more of that. I mean, you look at 169 00:11:28.039 --> 00:11:31.440 TJ. McConnell, right, think I didn't score for you know here at 170 00:11:31.480 --> 00:11:35.279 Arizona. But he's gotten over there and he's you know, he's he's developed 171 00:11:35.279 --> 00:11:37.559 a shot, he's found way, he's his score. I mean, he 172 00:11:37.679 --> 00:11:41.039 goes down the lane and I'm like, how is then nobody swatting the ball 173 00:11:41.120 --> 00:11:43.440 out of his hand? And he scores? You know, he's crafty. 174 00:11:43.799 --> 00:11:48.960 Right. The guys that I concerned about are more like Christian Coloco, who 175 00:11:48.120 --> 00:11:50.480 played in the league for a couple of years, got you know, right 176 00:11:50.759 --> 00:11:54.080 and guess what, there's a new crop up people covering the guy every year. 177 00:11:54.159 --> 00:11:56.879 His time may have come, and yeah, Daylan Arry, if he 178 00:11:56.960 --> 00:12:01.559 makes a splosh year in his third year is thirty year, we'll see what 179 00:12:01.600 --> 00:12:05.879 happens to him. Because it's it's a it's a thankless thing. Because it 180 00:12:05.960 --> 00:12:09.240 is people they'll just they'll just chuck you to the side as soon as they 181 00:12:09.320 --> 00:12:13.159 you know, as soon as they can, right, because there's always somebody 182 00:12:13.440 --> 00:12:16.559 coming in. Yeah, I don't, I don't, you know, it's 183 00:12:16.639 --> 00:12:20.399 uh, on the one hand, it's a tough business. By on the 184 00:12:20.440 --> 00:12:22.799 other hand, if you go in there and make a couple of million dollars 185 00:12:22.799 --> 00:12:26.320 in a couple of years, I mean, you can't well imagine how they 186 00:12:26.960 --> 00:12:30.960 imagine how these guys well they were. I think the first tear of Nil, 187 00:12:31.519 --> 00:12:33.240 Daylan was doing pretty well. I think Benedict was doing pretty well. 188 00:12:33.279 --> 00:12:37.399 I know Daylan was doing pretty well. How much money they'd be making even 189 00:12:37.399 --> 00:12:41.200 more now, not not to what they're making there, but being pretty comfortable 190 00:12:41.279 --> 00:12:46.000 here, comfortable here, doing well here. Let me ask you. Some 191 00:12:46.039 --> 00:12:48.840 people were asking I was with last night, and they're saying, well, 192 00:12:48.919 --> 00:12:52.600 I think Arizona's uh, this is other people saying, I think Arizona's doing 193 00:12:52.639 --> 00:12:56.600 okay with ni L. What do you think their budget is basketball? Their 194 00:12:56.679 --> 00:13:00.240 nil budget? Yeah, I bet it's more than we think that is. 195 00:13:01.039 --> 00:13:03.919 Okay, So what do you think it is. I'm gonna say it's well 196 00:13:03.960 --> 00:13:09.919 into seven figures. Well into seven figures. You say, okay, really, 197 00:13:11.200 --> 00:13:16.759 so what that's I wouldn't be surprised that a million, A couple of 198 00:13:16.799 --> 00:13:18.519 million, I said two million? Yeah, couple, I said too many? 199 00:13:18.559 --> 00:13:22.519 Yeah, seven figures is two million? It would be like one million 200 00:13:22.600 --> 00:13:24.440 or well into But you're saying well into I'm I'm gonna say, well bye. 201 00:13:24.480 --> 00:13:26.240 By that, I mean you know, at least a couple of million. 202 00:13:26.279 --> 00:13:28.360 Yeah. See that's I put it up. That's where I would put 203 00:13:28.360 --> 00:13:31.240 it. That's where I put it. I thought you may be thinking no, 204 00:13:31.240 --> 00:13:35.960 no, no that yeah, no, I'm gonna say I wouldn't be 205 00:13:37.000 --> 00:13:39.080 surprised if it was the two to three million. So I said two and 206 00:13:39.480 --> 00:13:41.879 by your thing? Is that more than what we think it is? Right? 207 00:13:41.960 --> 00:13:46.559 It could be more? Yeah? Okay, good? Yeah, but 208 00:13:46.639 --> 00:13:48.440 if they took if they can't, somebody came and said, guys, it's 209 00:13:48.519 --> 00:13:54.720 like five, I would go wow, Okay, nice job. Yeah, 210 00:13:54.840 --> 00:13:58.679 nice job. So so let's say x amount of people are contributing to this. 211 00:13:58.080 --> 00:14:01.399 That's probably before and il they were contributing to something else, right, 212 00:14:01.919 --> 00:14:05.080 which is part of right, you're moving the you're moving the money around, 213 00:14:05.120 --> 00:14:09.000 right, Yeah, you're just you're just moving the you know, the the 214 00:14:09.519 --> 00:14:13.039 balls or the cups of money into different places. Because I can't imagine that 215 00:14:13.039 --> 00:14:18.440 they're gaining a lot more money, right, Oh when you think of overall, 216 00:14:18.519 --> 00:14:22.559 Yeah, right, that is, It's just they're moving money from here 217 00:14:22.600 --> 00:14:24.559 to there. Sure, Okay, let's take our break. We're gona come 218 00:14:24.600 --> 00:14:28.440 back. 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Tests can't run or hide from Arizona Pest Control. 283 00:18:53.279 --> 00:18:57.599 They use only the latest and most technologically advanced methods of pest elimination available, 284 00:18:57.640 --> 00:19:02.640 which minimizes the effects the environment. What Arizona Pass Control Get rid of your 285 00:19:02.680 --> 00:19:07.000 bad bugs, termites, bees, or rodents serving Tucson and Southern Arizona since 286 00:19:07.079 --> 00:19:12.599 nineteen forty seven. Go to azypast dot com to schedule your free evaluation Today 287 00:19:14.519 --> 00:19:18.799 streaming live, I mean iHeartRadio app. This is Eye on the Ball with 288 00:19:18.960 --> 00:19:25.039 Steve Rivera and Jay Gonzalez on Fox Sports fourteen fifteen. Hey, welcome back 289 00:19:25.039 --> 00:19:26.839 to im about here on Fox Sports fourteen fifty. I'm Steve. He's Jay. 290 00:19:27.319 --> 00:19:30.039 Yeah, I have our guy Henry in today. We got fifteen minutes 291 00:19:30.039 --> 00:19:33.839 in this segment. We're waiting for Scott Thompson to give us a quick call 292 00:19:34.359 --> 00:19:37.319 the coach at Texas, the new baseball coaches taking a lot of heat? 293 00:19:38.319 --> 00:19:41.640 Is he? He said? Man? He said. One of the questions 294 00:19:41.799 --> 00:19:45.519 from one of the same publications that asked them the question a couple of days 295 00:19:45.519 --> 00:19:49.720 ago. Uh what changed? This is asking what change in what you would 296 00:19:49.759 --> 00:19:53.759 say to those Texas and m people that supported you that feels that you intestedly 297 00:19:53.839 --> 00:19:59.200 misled them? What do you say? I didn't mislead them. I did 298 00:19:59.319 --> 00:20:10.079 mislead them. He needs to stop. Sorry, Sorry, yeah, yeah, 299 00:20:10.119 --> 00:20:12.960 So screwed up. You know when when you're when you're a publiculations person 300 00:20:14.000 --> 00:20:15.400 for somebody like that, you just want to pull him aside and say, 301 00:20:15.400 --> 00:20:18.880 okay, let's start over. All right, let's start over, you know, 302 00:20:18.920 --> 00:20:25.880 and let's let's let's attack this, let's deal with this. You need 303 00:20:25.920 --> 00:20:27.799 to get back out there, you need to bite the bullet. And you 304 00:20:27.880 --> 00:20:33.200 say, I screwed this up. I apologize. You know, I didn't 305 00:20:33.240 --> 00:20:38.000 handle this right, you know what saying you didn't mislead anybody, of course 306 00:20:38.039 --> 00:20:41.359 you did well. This this has happened for the age of time. People 307 00:20:41.480 --> 00:20:45.640 going for better jobs. We saw here a couple of times with Johnson who 308 00:20:45.680 --> 00:20:48.960 went tell you who. There were some rumors that he would already taken a 309 00:20:49.039 --> 00:20:53.640 job once he once Arizona's out right right, and then and then Fish who 310 00:20:53.720 --> 00:20:56.480 did what he did, uh, you know, Arizona's my place. And 311 00:20:56.480 --> 00:21:00.720 then I think the Fish example is about to be because we knew that he 312 00:21:00.799 --> 00:21:03.640 was going to go at some point. The thing you have to do is 313 00:21:03.799 --> 00:21:07.720 is that when you're saying things, you have to and it's hard. You 314 00:21:07.799 --> 00:21:11.039 want to say what's in you know, in your mind and in your heart 315 00:21:11.440 --> 00:21:15.279 right there, but you know you have to be careful these days. You 316 00:21:15.319 --> 00:21:21.000 have to understand, you know, the the environment you're in with with with 317 00:21:21.200 --> 00:21:25.960 social media and so many more members of the news media, right. You 318 00:21:26.000 --> 00:21:32.440 know at Arizona, you know when in Luke covering covering theirs on a basketball 319 00:21:32.519 --> 00:21:37.559 in the eighties and nineties, you were dealing with three TV stations and two 320 00:21:37.680 --> 00:21:42.240 newspapers and cat tracks, right, that was about it. Yeah, you 321 00:21:42.279 --> 00:21:47.200 know, and maybe some of those some of those outlets had more than one 322 00:21:47.279 --> 00:21:49.480 person in the in the press room, like the Star. At there's the 323 00:21:49.519 --> 00:21:52.880 Daily Star, there were three people covering a basketball game. There was the 324 00:21:52.880 --> 00:21:56.240 beat writer, there was there was the calmness at the time, Greg Hanson, 325 00:21:56.279 --> 00:21:59.759 and then there was a person who covered the opponent locker room. You 326 00:21:59.799 --> 00:22:03.839 guys did the same thing at the Citizen. So so that's six right there, 327 00:22:03.240 --> 00:22:07.200 and then on each of you. Then when when you're to the station, 328 00:22:07.319 --> 00:22:10.119 and that was the media room, right, there would be the other 329 00:22:10.160 --> 00:22:12.400 people in there, but they were spectators and then mostly like I tell you 330 00:22:12.440 --> 00:22:18.200 now, mostly favorable people in that room and professionals who knew the business, 331 00:22:18.359 --> 00:22:22.680 knew the rights and wrongs of being a reporter, being a journalist, right, 332 00:22:22.759 --> 00:22:26.240 being a journalist, right, there were certain ways, you know. 333 00:22:26.920 --> 00:22:32.240 Now it's it's it's a frenzy. You've got You've got people in there who 334 00:22:32.279 --> 00:22:37.960 have websites that have credibility that shouldn't. You have people who were never trained 335 00:22:37.960 --> 00:22:41.039 to be journalists who are trying to act like journalists. They don't know how 336 00:22:41.039 --> 00:22:45.799 to ask questions. They don't, you know, and so you as you 337 00:22:45.839 --> 00:22:49.559 ask somebody who's giving these answers, you have to understand all of that and 338 00:22:49.599 --> 00:22:55.279 be ready for anything. And sometimes these guys are just not right. And 339 00:22:55.319 --> 00:22:57.640 again most of them, like I said a few times when we had the 340 00:22:57.680 --> 00:23:00.400 kids in the intern squats, we see in the in the in those rooms 341 00:23:00.640 --> 00:23:06.400 that a lot of them are U A grads are under the table cheering for 342 00:23:06.440 --> 00:23:08.160 the team to do well, even though you can't cheer for the team, 343 00:23:08.200 --> 00:23:11.559 right, you're not supposed to. You're not supposed to. But in down 344 00:23:11.640 --> 00:23:15.119 deep there they're come on, come on, come on, Yeah, they're 345 00:23:15.119 --> 00:23:21.160 incredibly friendly and you're not gonna get if not for Bruce, bless his heart. 346 00:23:21.759 --> 00:23:23.480 Uh, there's a lot of questions that wouldn't be asked. Yeah, 347 00:23:23.680 --> 00:23:26.880 you know, in all honesty, no that you're you're you're right, or 348 00:23:27.160 --> 00:23:33.960 or or justin or asked this differently? Right or asked differently? You know, 349 00:23:33.079 --> 00:23:36.599 I mean, I mean they're I mean, look, you know, 350 00:23:37.279 --> 00:23:40.480 you know the year that my you know, my son was you know, 351 00:23:40.559 --> 00:23:44.279 the the for jet Fish. There were a couple of times you told me 352 00:23:44.279 --> 00:23:47.839 said you just you pissed him off today, you know, and I'm like, 353 00:23:48.000 --> 00:23:49.119 what what did I ask? Well, you asked this, and I'm 354 00:23:49.160 --> 00:23:52.920 like, well, that was a legitimate question. Yeah, he just didn't 355 00:23:52.960 --> 00:23:55.759 like it being asked. And the funny thing about is because I was there 356 00:23:55.799 --> 00:23:59.839 with you. Yeah, nothing out of place. Nothing out of place. 357 00:24:00.039 --> 00:24:02.920 I mean, you know, honestly I would have I would have said that 358 00:24:03.000 --> 00:24:07.599 was a good question, but no, it was he makes how much? 359 00:24:07.960 --> 00:24:11.960 Now you're pissing me? He makes three and a half million? Guess what 360 00:24:11.359 --> 00:24:15.359 deal with it? Exactly? You know, if you want, if you 361 00:24:15.400 --> 00:24:18.440 want this job and you want this responsibility, this is what comes with you. 362 00:24:18.559 --> 00:24:22.000 But just given well much as asked. Right. Sorry, hell, 363 00:24:23.039 --> 00:24:26.519 I didn't know this. No, I never apologized for any of them. 364 00:24:26.440 --> 00:24:30.200 You know, he said he didn't like that question. You you win games, 365 00:24:30.240 --> 00:24:33.359 and we asked the questions. This is the first I'm hearing this, 366 00:24:33.400 --> 00:24:37.960 and I'm a little you could tell them a little Holy crap, a guy 367 00:24:37.960 --> 00:24:42.400 who's making three and a half million dollars didn't like a question. Top crap. 368 00:24:47.000 --> 00:24:48.880 It happened with me with Loud a bunch of times. Me too, 369 00:24:48.960 --> 00:24:52.799 right, But guess what, it's just the way that we're part of it. 370 00:24:52.000 --> 00:24:55.319 Again. You don't like the question, but you still have to answer 371 00:24:55.359 --> 00:25:00.480 it. Yeah, well, or don't answer. But if you don't want 372 00:25:00.480 --> 00:25:03.640 to answer it, fine, but don't jump down my throat because I asked 373 00:25:03.680 --> 00:25:06.640 the question. I'm amazed they're telling me something that I didn't know at the 374 00:25:06.680 --> 00:25:11.319 time. These guys who make a lot of money need to be treated with 375 00:25:11.440 --> 00:25:15.960 kid gloves. It doesn't work that way. They shouldn't. But Steve, 376 00:25:15.000 --> 00:25:22.119 they're they're like, they're like the no. They're like the club basketball player 377 00:25:22.119 --> 00:25:25.240 who's made it all the way up and he's been told he's been great all 378 00:25:25.279 --> 00:25:27.960 along the way, and he's never been questioned about whether or not he's great. 379 00:25:29.240 --> 00:25:30.519 Same thing with these coaches. They get up there and they think, 380 00:25:30.720 --> 00:25:33.480 wait, well, who are you to question me? Right? No, 381 00:25:33.480 --> 00:25:37.359 no, about these things. I don't disagree with you. Oh wow, 382 00:25:37.440 --> 00:25:42.720 that's surprising. I'm a little work no no, no, And maybe I 383 00:25:42.720 --> 00:25:47.920 didn't tell you because I wasn't supposed to tell you that may have been more 384 00:25:48.039 --> 00:25:56.559 accurate that made because if anything, at the very least and worst is that 385 00:25:56.640 --> 00:26:00.519 I know that one of the reasons I was halfway decent one I treat him 386 00:26:00.519 --> 00:26:03.960 fairly and asked the fair questions. Yet and in our time here, I 387 00:26:03.000 --> 00:26:07.880 think the questions have been fair. I cannot write, I can honestly look, 388 00:26:08.079 --> 00:26:11.920 I can honestly say that I do not recall, you know, and 389 00:26:12.000 --> 00:26:15.759 I only had five years of this right as a sports writer. I cannot 390 00:26:15.839 --> 00:26:22.839 recall the time that I thought I asked a coach a question that wasn't fair. 391 00:26:22.599 --> 00:26:26.599 I really, I you know, I mean, and there were only 392 00:26:26.599 --> 00:26:30.160 a couple of times that really were only a couple times that the coach got 393 00:26:30.160 --> 00:26:33.759 pissed at me, or that I was aware that a coach was pissed at 394 00:26:33.839 --> 00:26:37.799 me, like uh, And again I mentioned the Sean Rooks situation when he 395 00:26:37.799 --> 00:26:41.559 didn't he wasn't here for a for a game in people wondering was he transferring. 396 00:26:44.200 --> 00:26:45.519 I know, Luke got mad at me at the questions that I asked. 397 00:26:45.960 --> 00:26:51.119 Jud Judd Bushler after after anca a tournament loss. It wasn't anything that 398 00:26:51.160 --> 00:26:56.160 I asked, Luke, but you know for what I asked, Judge Judd 399 00:26:56.200 --> 00:27:00.359 didn't think it was unfair for me to ask, but to walk in after 400 00:27:00.359 --> 00:27:04.000 they got blown out by twenty points in Alabama, Judd, what happened? 401 00:27:04.079 --> 00:27:07.359 That was my question? What happened? Well? And I'm sure, knowing 402 00:27:07.599 --> 00:27:11.559 the way I do, he was probably thinking that Jay may have guided him 403 00:27:11.960 --> 00:27:15.440 in that question. All I asked, it's kind of like when we asked 404 00:27:15.480 --> 00:27:18.839 Bill Walton, Bill, how are you doing? And then fifteen minutes later 405 00:27:18.279 --> 00:27:21.640 we get another question. We don't know where it's going to go? Right? 406 00:27:21.839 --> 00:27:23.160 And that was that's all I asked. I said, jud what happened? 407 00:27:23.480 --> 00:27:27.519 That was? That was the question pretty much. I remember Joe McClain 408 00:27:27.559 --> 00:27:32.640 that issue said something that was very strange in his response, and he said 409 00:27:32.720 --> 00:27:37.240 he came off really not right, and lut saw the quote he was he 410 00:27:37.279 --> 00:27:40.640 was upset to no when saying that who asked the question? How did you 411 00:27:40.720 --> 00:27:45.079 ask it? Because the response was not now not what he hoped it would 412 00:27:45.119 --> 00:27:48.400 be, and he found out that it was a legitimate question. Yeah, 413 00:27:48.480 --> 00:27:52.640 and Joe just didn't say it right. Yeah, yeah, that's not No 414 00:27:52.680 --> 00:27:59.359 apologies to the reporter, No, absolutely absolutely, So you know, and 415 00:27:59.480 --> 00:28:03.880 that see and that that was that was the sign of of what I think 416 00:28:03.960 --> 00:28:07.599 is a good reporter is are your questions fair and legitimate? Are you in 417 00:28:07.640 --> 00:28:12.599 there digging for something you know, you know that that you think might be 418 00:28:12.720 --> 00:28:15.200 there? Now? Do you have to ask hard questions? Sometimes? Of 419 00:28:15.240 --> 00:28:19.519 course you do, but you're not put it this way. I was never 420 00:28:19.559 --> 00:28:23.759 trying to make somebody look bad ever, and I still don't, you know, 421 00:28:23.839 --> 00:28:26.279 but you know, in the press conferences that we go to when we 422 00:28:26.359 --> 00:28:30.440 get one or two questions in, you know, in an entire press conference, 423 00:28:30.000 --> 00:28:33.160 I've never, ever, ever, ever tried to ask a question in 424 00:28:33.200 --> 00:28:37.920 a way to make you look bad. But what I had was a question, 425 00:28:37.079 --> 00:28:41.279 and I you know that that I thought the people who are listening to 426 00:28:41.319 --> 00:28:44.279 me or who are reading me are curious. Let me give you this example 427 00:28:44.319 --> 00:28:48.119 and you can go whoever you want with it. So Sean's coaching. He 428 00:28:49.039 --> 00:28:56.480 pulls Caleb off the off the thing, the photo the photo is screaming at 429 00:28:56.240 --> 00:29:02.599 you scream at each other, h or Alexander or a Xander. Just the 430 00:29:02.680 --> 00:29:10.079 video shows it. Uh, Sean treats him pretty poorly the next few sessions, 431 00:29:10.359 --> 00:29:12.200 Uh do you? And he called it a got you moment? Got 432 00:29:12.240 --> 00:29:15.920 you moment? For Ari? How did he? That was that a got 433 00:29:15.920 --> 00:29:18.160 you moment? That was him on the ste happened? It happened. You 434 00:29:18.200 --> 00:29:21.440 saw it, We saw it, We all saw it. How was that 435 00:29:21.480 --> 00:29:23.720 a got you moment? It was not a got you? It was No, 436 00:29:23.759 --> 00:29:26.279 it was not, it was not. We We saw what we saw 437 00:29:26.720 --> 00:29:30.799 right right. And and so you ask about it, you say, what 438 00:29:30.880 --> 00:29:33.599 happened? No, yeah, and that's the question. That's the question. 439 00:29:33.720 --> 00:29:37.039 Yeah, we saw that. Yeah, it's a pretty simple quapen And he 440 00:29:37.079 --> 00:29:40.880 says, well, that's between Caleb and I. Well the end of the 441 00:29:41.000 --> 00:29:42.960 story. Fine, that's the end of the story. But if you sit 442 00:29:44.039 --> 00:29:45.400 there and say, well that's that's a crap question, No it's not. 443 00:29:45.519 --> 00:29:49.640 It's it's a totally short question, sure, completely legitimate question. Yeah, 444 00:29:51.319 --> 00:29:53.839 I remember that I used that photo now, But I'll tell you what man 445 00:29:53.839 --> 00:29:57.240 our next were stretching to, you know, to look down there. It 446 00:29:57.279 --> 00:30:00.799 was down the bench from where we said watch that happen, because we saw 447 00:30:00.839 --> 00:30:03.920 it happen, you know, him coming off the court, and we're like 448 00:30:03.160 --> 00:30:06.920 whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. There's some stuff going on, you 449 00:30:06.960 --> 00:30:11.319 know. It sort of was just relaxed. It was like the no, 450 00:30:11.319 --> 00:30:15.559 no, no, it was a question. Remember we had Sean they said 451 00:30:15.559 --> 00:30:19.160 that you don't coach. You were more relaxed with him, remember, And 452 00:30:21.079 --> 00:30:23.839 it was after that, after that question we had on the show, we 453 00:30:23.839 --> 00:30:29.440 weren't prepared or we were more relaxed, and we told Sean that, well 454 00:30:29.599 --> 00:30:41.200 really they were. I got now, yeah, I mean, look, 455 00:30:41.200 --> 00:30:45.359 there's a lot that goes into it and and and I you know, journalism 456 00:30:45.440 --> 00:30:48.839 is a is a business that I think a lot of people think I can 457 00:30:48.880 --> 00:30:52.440 do that. But there are ways, you know, there are ways to 458 00:30:52.519 --> 00:30:57.000 do things and there it is a craft and and you know they and there's 459 00:30:57.279 --> 00:31:02.799 a lot of it out there now where you see you see you know certain 460 00:31:02.799 --> 00:31:07.759 members of the meeting. You go that that wasn't that wasn't very professional and 461 00:31:07.759 --> 00:31:11.200 and that's not the way this is done, uh or maybe the way they 462 00:31:11.640 --> 00:31:15.920 report things right because they and they say it a certain way or do it 463 00:31:15.960 --> 00:31:19.200 a certain way so that somebody will click on their on their podcast or their 464 00:31:19.680 --> 00:31:23.839 you know, their their you know, their website or whatever, and that 465 00:31:25.079 --> 00:31:27.319 that's the problem right now. And the thing is that guys like you me, 466 00:31:29.039 --> 00:31:32.559 uh, you know, the the journalists in the room get lumped in 467 00:31:32.599 --> 00:31:36.359 with those guys and then and that makes it hard on us. Yeah, 468 00:31:36.640 --> 00:31:41.079 still waiting for our guys. Scott Thompson. I'm texting him. He has 469 00:31:41.079 --> 00:31:45.359 the respond. I hope you can get him the next yeah, next second. 470 00:31:45.400 --> 00:31:48.279 I hope something hasn't you know, hasn't happened. He'd been and he's 471 00:31:48.319 --> 00:31:52.000 a busy man. He said he had been in meetings the last few days. 472 00:31:52.160 --> 00:31:55.200 He found time for us and then now this no, all right, 473 00:31:55.359 --> 00:31:59.279 okay, what's he doing. I don't know. He's probably raising money for 474 00:31:59.319 --> 00:32:01.680 a lot of different or organizations. We were at a at a dinner with 475 00:32:01.720 --> 00:32:05.680 the Boys Club. The Boys Club, there was the burger yea what used 476 00:32:05.680 --> 00:32:09.720 to be the board the burgeran was for the boys Club and him and his 477 00:32:09.759 --> 00:32:14.279 wife had never met. His wife a lovely lady, you know he was. 478 00:32:15.079 --> 00:32:17.039 I only got to cover him the one year, and I really liked 479 00:32:17.119 --> 00:32:23.240 him. He seemed he almost seemed too nice to be. You're going to 480 00:32:23.319 --> 00:32:28.680 say that because he's very forward thinking, very at ease, that is very 481 00:32:28.680 --> 00:32:34.359 calm guy. Calm kind of guy, you know. Uh, in fact 482 00:32:34.359 --> 00:32:36.599 that if I if we get a moment, asked him that question, because 483 00:32:36.599 --> 00:32:40.480 I always say this to you. Uh. In my observations, coaches who 484 00:32:40.599 --> 00:32:45.799 are not tough on players kind of get run over. You have to have 485 00:32:45.920 --> 00:32:49.640 some kind of pain at some point in the neck to be a coach because 486 00:32:49.640 --> 00:32:52.000 the guys will listen to you. You can't be a pushover. You have 487 00:32:52.039 --> 00:32:58.519 to be unafraid to get to get up with a player whether however you do 488 00:32:58.599 --> 00:33:00.960 it and let them know. You know, I'm the coach. I'm the 489 00:33:00.960 --> 00:33:04.519 coach, and you got it. You got to do this right. Let's 490 00:33:04.559 --> 00:33:08.079 see this Ai. You're on the air and eye on the ball. Hell, 491 00:33:08.640 --> 00:33:13.720 this is Scott. We're just talking about you. Let us do this. 492 00:33:13.759 --> 00:33:16.160 Scott wed Hey, you got to run about ten laps. You're late, 493 00:33:16.200 --> 00:33:22.640 but boy, I'm just on my way back from Phoenix. Okay, 494 00:33:22.759 --> 00:33:25.319 Scott, we're about to go to break. Can we call you back in 495 00:33:25.400 --> 00:33:30.480 about six six or seven minutes and then go for about ten minutes from there? 496 00:33:30.240 --> 00:33:32.799 Sure, Okay, let's do that because we have to go to commercial. 497 00:33:32.839 --> 00:33:36.279 We're going to go to commercial right now. It's a it's a it's 498 00:33:36.319 --> 00:33:38.759 a it's a long break, so let's call you back in about maybe about 499 00:33:38.759 --> 00:33:42.480 six minutes. We'll still be in the break, but we'll come right out 500 00:33:42.519 --> 00:33:45.480 of it and then we'll talk for about ten minutes. Sounds good. Okay, 501 00:33:45.480 --> 00:33:47.200 we'll call you right back. Thank you. Yeah, okay, let's 502 00:33:47.200 --> 00:33:50.400 go and go to break right now. We're going to come back. We've 503 00:33:50.400 --> 00:33:52.119 got Scott Thompson on his way back from Phoenix. We'll get him on and 504 00:33:52.160 --> 00:33:54.440 we'll talk a little bit about some of this stuff we've been talking about, 505 00:33:54.640 --> 00:33:58.880 So I'll stick around. If you're an Arizona men's basketball fan, you know 506 00:33:58.920 --> 00:34:01.400 it's been successful for new forty years. Now take a look back at the 507 00:34:01.440 --> 00:34:05.160 Ludolsen era. In my new book, Lessons from Loot. It was a 508 00:34:05.240 --> 00:34:07.199 labor of love through the eyes of twenty five former players, coaches, and 509 00:34:07.239 --> 00:34:12.079 friends to give insight to the coach and the man who led them, competed 510 00:34:12.079 --> 00:34:15.719 against them, and inspired them twenty five chapters for his twenty five years as 511 00:34:15.760 --> 00:34:19.880 Arizona's beloved coach. Lessons from Loot is an insight to how he built the 512 00:34:19.920 --> 00:34:24.800 program into a national powerhouse. What one email me at Steve dot RIVERA ninety 513 00:34:24.800 --> 00:34:30.199 five at gmail dot com. Hi, this is formal Wildcat Leman Huntly with 514 00:34:30.239 --> 00:34:34.280 Arizona Health. Imagine how home GM can change your health, your comfort, 515 00:34:34.320 --> 00:34:37.719 and your time. Arizona Health is everything you need to transform your personal space 516 00:34:37.800 --> 00:34:43.000 and your life. 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Hey, welcome back to I on the Ball here 550 00:37:12.679 --> 00:37:15.079 on Fox Sports fourteen fifty. I'm Steve, he's Jake. Now we have 551 00:37:15.360 --> 00:37:20.440 former U of A called basketball. This is a coach, Scott Thompson. 552 00:37:20.599 --> 00:37:28.239 How many places did you coach at? I coached at six places? Wow? 553 00:37:28.400 --> 00:37:34.559 I was as a head coach at three and assistant coach at three. 554 00:37:34.960 --> 00:37:38.960 Okay, which ones were more fun? The head coaching for the assistant coaching? 555 00:37:40.239 --> 00:37:46.400 Well, yeah, you know what I enjoyed. I enjoyed every place 556 00:37:46.440 --> 00:37:53.840 that I coached and had some great experiences and so and and loved my experience 557 00:37:53.880 --> 00:37:58.920 here at the u of A and met my wife here got married and and 558 00:37:59.079 --> 00:38:04.119 that's why sons are home. Yeah. Well we sat down together maybe a 559 00:38:04.159 --> 00:38:07.880 couple of weeks ago through through school and I still don't know what you do. 560 00:38:07.920 --> 00:38:10.880 You're kind of like like a Superman or Spider manter kind of a lot 561 00:38:10.920 --> 00:38:16.320 of different things. Well, you know, I coached, you know, 562 00:38:16.360 --> 00:38:22.039 I as a basketball player. I played for Loot at Iowa. I coached 563 00:38:22.159 --> 00:38:28.719 assistant at Notre Dame at Iowa, here at Arizona with lut and then I 564 00:38:28.760 --> 00:38:31.679 went off and was a head coach. But I had about with cancer around 565 00:38:31.679 --> 00:38:38.360 two thousand, same time Bobby Olsen was going through her cancer and I had 566 00:38:38.400 --> 00:38:44.639 about with cancer myself, and fortunately I made it, and Lute asked me 567 00:38:44.679 --> 00:38:47.159 to come down and help him raise money for cancer. So I did that 568 00:38:47.280 --> 00:38:52.719 for about eight years, and then you know, I got I got recruited 569 00:38:52.840 --> 00:38:58.400 by UCLA to the executive director of their cancer foundation, and then I got 570 00:38:58.440 --> 00:39:04.639 recruited by University of flo Or to as their vice president of their university foundation. 571 00:39:04.880 --> 00:39:07.599 And but Rebecca and I just wanted to come back here, so we 572 00:39:07.679 --> 00:39:13.159 came back and I worked in the financial industry and I help people with their 573 00:39:13.480 --> 00:39:19.039 retirement and their finances and stuff like that. So I still love coaching and 574 00:39:19.079 --> 00:39:22.559 that's what I do. I've kind of coached all the way along. I 575 00:39:22.599 --> 00:39:27.960 do love connected with college. I did a lot of work with coaches first 576 00:39:27.960 --> 00:39:31.840 cancer, and so I still stay in touch with a lot of coaches and 577 00:39:32.880 --> 00:39:39.159 love following the college coaching world. Well would you love being in the college 578 00:39:39.159 --> 00:39:43.519 coaching world right now? As it is? With all the things that you 579 00:39:43.559 --> 00:39:46.360 know, We've talked to so many coaches you know who you know are glad 580 00:39:46.400 --> 00:39:50.519 they're not coaching. We're glad they're not right, you know. Then there's 581 00:39:50.519 --> 00:39:52.599 coaches like Tommy Lloyd who are new to it and they go, you know, 582 00:39:52.599 --> 00:39:57.679 they embrace it and they're just cruising along. But man, it's it's 583 00:39:57.280 --> 00:40:00.519 it's certainly a different business. I don't know if you'd call it a tougher 584 00:40:00.559 --> 00:40:04.519 business, but it's certainly a different business right now. You know what it's 585 00:40:04.760 --> 00:40:08.639 It's funny because when it's in your blood, you love coaching, you love 586 00:40:08.719 --> 00:40:15.719 working with young people and love I mean, shoot, my father was a 587 00:40:15.760 --> 00:40:20.440 coach, so I've been kind of that all the way along. The only 588 00:40:20.519 --> 00:40:28.280 thing that's interesting that's different is that I was loose top assistant, And when 589 00:40:28.320 --> 00:40:32.679 I left to take my first head coaching job at Rice, my salary here 590 00:40:32.719 --> 00:40:39.039 at Arizona was forty thousand dollars. Wow. Wow. So what happens is 591 00:40:39.039 --> 00:40:45.920 is that the money is so good right now that that's why coaches coach. 592 00:40:46.920 --> 00:40:52.480 But there's a lot of coaches that aren't super happy with it. I think 593 00:40:52.559 --> 00:40:59.960 it's just a different coaching world than what they was when they got into it. 594 00:41:00.079 --> 00:41:06.360 But I think Tommy Lloyd is a great fit and is really a coach, 595 00:41:07.000 --> 00:41:10.679 a modern coach that we're very fortunate to have here. That's an interesting 596 00:41:10.679 --> 00:41:14.360 way to put that, a modern coach, right, And that's exactly because 597 00:41:14.400 --> 00:41:20.159 we talked about the transition from Sean to to Tommy. Ask him the question 598 00:41:20.239 --> 00:41:22.719 you said to me, And I don't know how you got Scott. We 599 00:41:22.239 --> 00:41:25.480 we were talking about you when we were waiting for you to call. You 600 00:41:25.519 --> 00:41:29.440 know, I only I only covered you for a year because you took the 601 00:41:29.559 --> 00:41:32.400 I think you took the job at Rice. Yes, okay, in the 602 00:41:32.679 --> 00:41:38.000 for the eighty seven eighty eight season, correct, So yes, yes, 603 00:41:38.119 --> 00:41:43.039 yes, I left in eighty seven. Yeah, and I worked with Luda 604 00:41:43.079 --> 00:41:46.599 in the World Championship in eighty six right. So here eighty seven, the 605 00:41:46.679 --> 00:41:52.000 year Steve was uh, Steve Kerr was was out out with Lee and then 606 00:41:52.199 --> 00:41:58.719 Uh and then went to to Rice, which had had nineteen straight losing seasons. 607 00:41:58.760 --> 00:42:01.360 I don't know if it was the best. Well, well, there 608 00:42:01.480 --> 00:42:07.440 there were two things. There were two things. One I think it was 609 00:42:07.480 --> 00:42:09.679 a side conversation because I'm pretty sure I didn't put this in a story. 610 00:42:10.159 --> 00:42:14.280 But Luke said he thought you could have gotten a better job. Did he 611 00:42:14.400 --> 00:42:22.599 say that to you? We had several talks. He did not say no. 612 00:42:23.559 --> 00:42:29.440 But I tried to get Boise State and they wanted head coach. I 613 00:42:29.559 --> 00:42:34.760 tried to get San Diego State, they wanted a head coach. And at 614 00:42:34.800 --> 00:42:39.000 the time, it's the job that came up. And so here I'm facing 615 00:42:39.079 --> 00:42:45.880 Nolan Richardson at Arkansas and five slam a Jama at Houston, and so it 616 00:42:46.039 --> 00:42:51.320 was, you know, it was. But I loved it, and I 617 00:42:51.480 --> 00:42:58.559 coached three different schools and and I loved it, and I had some great 618 00:42:58.639 --> 00:43:00.480 young players, and be sure to be sure, you know, I think 619 00:43:00.519 --> 00:43:04.280 he said in the context of he thought you were a really, really good 620 00:43:04.360 --> 00:43:07.599 coach who deserved a better opportunity. Right then going to a school that had 621 00:43:07.679 --> 00:43:12.719 nineteen straight losing seasons. And he said it that way, not to criticize 622 00:43:12.719 --> 00:43:15.960 you for taking the jobstand but just to say, Scott's a really, really 623 00:43:15.960 --> 00:43:21.519 good coach, and you know he could have gotten a better opportunity. You 624 00:43:21.559 --> 00:43:25.440 know what, it's a hard thing because right before me, ken burmister goes 625 00:43:25.480 --> 00:43:30.519 to San Antonio? Is that? How good a job is that? Ricky 626 00:43:30.519 --> 00:43:35.559 Burt Song, right behind me goes to Detroit? How good a job is 627 00:43:35.599 --> 00:43:42.000 that? So you know what you just did in five years? We won 628 00:43:42.159 --> 00:43:49.320 twenty games, and I did better than anybody for shoot, many many years 629 00:43:49.320 --> 00:43:55.079 before and then since what's kind of humorous is I also had on my bench 630 00:43:55.239 --> 00:44:00.679 at Rice, this type of place that Rice was a fellow who was a 631 00:44:00.760 --> 00:44:07.880 governor of the state of Virginia, Glen Glenn Youngkin was was was a player 632 00:44:07.960 --> 00:44:12.519 on my bench, and if he would have told me he was going to 633 00:44:12.559 --> 00:44:15.159 be governor, I would have played him a whole lot more. Well, 634 00:44:15.559 --> 00:44:19.760 you know they enroll or let a bunch of slackers go to Rice. Exactly. 635 00:44:22.559 --> 00:44:27.320 So let me ask you a question. You are a mild mannered man, 636 00:44:27.719 --> 00:44:34.599 you are a practical man. Uh, how difficult is it to coach 637 00:44:34.679 --> 00:44:37.719 kids who need not have not that so you need to be tough sometimes. 638 00:44:37.880 --> 00:44:43.239 Did you have to find that inside you somewhere, you know, Uh, 639 00:44:43.840 --> 00:44:47.920 back at time, yes, But but kids came thinking they were going to 640 00:44:47.960 --> 00:44:52.800 be there for four years. I don't think that's that's the case anymore. 641 00:44:52.599 --> 00:44:57.679 I think I think, Uh, the coaches that I talked to, so 642 00:44:57.880 --> 00:45:01.360 many of them sit down at the end of the year for their end of 643 00:45:01.400 --> 00:45:06.360 the year meeting, and they and the coach. Here's what the coaches say. 644 00:45:07.199 --> 00:45:12.119 The kid on your your your player will tell you, Hey, coach, 645 00:45:12.239 --> 00:45:14.599 I don't know what I'm going to do right now. I'll get back 646 00:45:14.599 --> 00:45:21.320 to you. Wow. So so that's what we're dealing That's what coaches are 647 00:45:21.400 --> 00:45:27.280 dealing with now because I mean of all the different nil and all that. 648 00:45:27.599 --> 00:45:31.199 But back then, you never had to worry about that, right. So 649 00:45:31.199 --> 00:45:36.760 so it's a different it's a you coach differently. And that's why I say 650 00:45:36.840 --> 00:45:40.079 with Tommy, you know, he's a modern coach. He can deal with 651 00:45:40.719 --> 00:45:45.920 you know, he's come out of you know, he's had that background of 652 00:45:45.960 --> 00:45:50.400 the you know, the hard nosed old school. But he's a modern coach 653 00:45:50.599 --> 00:45:54.440 and he as a coach, you've got to deal with all of that and 654 00:45:54.440 --> 00:45:58.840 and uh, but that's what as a coach you're dealing with now. So 655 00:45:58.880 --> 00:46:02.840 we're talking to Scott Thompson and former assistant coach at Arizona under Loot, also 656 00:46:04.679 --> 00:46:08.119 head coach at Rice, witch Testate and Cornell. Those three places, they 657 00:46:08.159 --> 00:46:14.039 all seem very different to me. How different were they and what kind of 658 00:46:14.039 --> 00:46:16.880 adjustments did you have to make, you know, to be successful at each 659 00:46:16.920 --> 00:46:23.559 of those places. Well, here's the problem. I ended up being successful 660 00:46:23.920 --> 00:46:29.320 at Rice, but I had a poor record, but I did better than 661 00:46:29.360 --> 00:46:31.599 anybody. I mean, I won twenty games, was coach of the Year 662 00:46:32.079 --> 00:46:37.239 and all that. So I go to witch Testate and let me ask you 663 00:46:37.280 --> 00:46:42.159 if if it is familiar, I take the job. And two weeks later 664 00:46:42.239 --> 00:46:49.280 the athletic director resigned, and then two weeks after that, the president resigns. 665 00:46:51.119 --> 00:46:54.960 So what happens is is when you have that there's a lot of transition 666 00:46:55.159 --> 00:47:02.519 going on. It's it you really have to uh stay focused and uh and 667 00:47:02.519 --> 00:47:07.440 and that's and I think you of a athletics is going through that right now. 668 00:47:07.400 --> 00:47:12.400 I think there's good people. I think Desiree is very good and all 669 00:47:12.480 --> 00:47:16.880 that it's just a transition. And I think college sports is going I think 670 00:47:17.000 --> 00:47:24.159 almost every university athletic program is going through changes, right, no question. 671 00:47:24.480 --> 00:47:28.800 Now with the big change happening next this year, actually this coming year, 672 00:47:29.159 --> 00:47:32.239 uh, into the Big twelve, what do you see Arizona's place will be. 673 00:47:34.960 --> 00:47:39.199 I think that we're a natural. I think we've got old whack blood 674 00:47:40.440 --> 00:47:46.039 uh in our in our veins, the Arizona and I think I think it's 675 00:47:46.079 --> 00:47:49.920 going to be a great fit. And I think there's going to be some 676 00:47:49.960 --> 00:47:54.480 great rivalries and some great games and and uh, I think it's going to 677 00:47:54.519 --> 00:47:58.039 be a lot of fun. Yeah. I totally agree. Yeah, totally 678 00:47:58.039 --> 00:48:02.000 agree. Well and with some headaches because obviously Arizona's not Kansas, Uh, 679 00:48:02.159 --> 00:48:06.920 it's not Baylor, it's not Houston. But it can fit in right, 680 00:48:07.199 --> 00:48:10.159 right, you can find a place well. And that's why they say the 681 00:48:10.199 --> 00:48:15.280 whack I mean, remember you know New Mexico, and remember Colorado State and 682 00:48:15.360 --> 00:48:20.519 Air Force and and all those. I mean, that was a heck of 683 00:48:20.559 --> 00:48:23.039 a conference. It was a fun conference, and and yeah it was. 684 00:48:23.119 --> 00:48:27.719 It was a lot of fun. And I think that that will happen. 685 00:48:28.039 --> 00:48:31.000 The only thing is is, like you add in West Virginia, you add 686 00:48:31.039 --> 00:48:36.400 in Central Florida, you know, you add in Cincinnati. These others are 687 00:48:36.639 --> 00:48:42.599 just it's the conference is a little bit different. So but I think everybody 688 00:48:42.599 --> 00:48:46.320 else is a great fit. Let me ask you this because we uh this, 689 00:48:46.320 --> 00:48:51.400 This would come up every every n cua A tournament was about the Pac 690 00:48:51.480 --> 00:48:54.639 twelve being quote unquote soft, not as physical as some of the other leagues. 691 00:48:55.000 --> 00:48:59.880 Then then get into the get into the tournament, and the perception was 692 00:48:59.880 --> 00:49:01.719 that they were getting beat up and not getting used to it. Was that 693 00:49:01.800 --> 00:49:06.159 a thing to you? Did you did you feel that that was actually there 694 00:49:06.199 --> 00:49:08.360 was some truth to that as when you coached in the in the Pac ten 695 00:49:08.599 --> 00:49:15.360 or does it? Is it all of our imagination? You know what? 696 00:49:15.440 --> 00:49:19.880 I think it goes year to year. And I like, again, I 697 00:49:20.000 --> 00:49:23.559 coached in the Big ten and and coached in the you know, all these 698 00:49:23.800 --> 00:49:29.400 the different leagues, and I think it just goes year to year. Sometimes 699 00:49:29.480 --> 00:49:34.519 the Pac ten Pac twelve was rugged and tough, and sometimes it was a 700 00:49:34.599 --> 00:49:37.800 little bit how can I say, not not quite that the Big ten, 701 00:49:39.599 --> 00:49:45.800 you know, had that reputation, but I mean sometimes the packed I'm not 702 00:49:46.000 --> 00:49:50.480 this believer that the Big ten was this rugged, Hey, we're going to 703 00:49:50.559 --> 00:49:54.280 knock you out. Sometimes I think Packed twelve in Pac ten was just as 704 00:49:54.320 --> 00:49:58.920 good, right, right? So I always ask this question of coaches, 705 00:49:59.719 --> 00:50:04.639 I know you fairly well, what do you do to keep those competitive juices 706 00:50:04.679 --> 00:50:12.800 going? Or do you you know what? I enjoy people, and I 707 00:50:12.920 --> 00:50:17.559 enjoy teaching and coaching, and like I said, I work with people. 708 00:50:17.639 --> 00:50:24.920 I coach people toward their retirements and investments and things like that. I'm very 709 00:50:25.519 --> 00:50:30.960 I think there needs to be good leaders out there and good mentors, and 710 00:50:31.039 --> 00:50:37.079 so I talk about that a lot at groups. I get asked to speak 711 00:50:37.079 --> 00:50:45.440 a lot groups and churches and you know, different organizations. But I think 712 00:50:45.480 --> 00:50:50.800 that mentoring. I think our world needs really good mentors out there, and 713 00:50:52.079 --> 00:50:55.719 so I try to do that. And I think people need to do things 714 00:50:57.119 --> 00:51:00.079 that are beyond themselves. And there's a whole lot of anthropies and a whole 715 00:51:00.119 --> 00:51:05.840 lot of things people can have a huge impact. Okay, well you know, 716 00:51:05.920 --> 00:51:09.639 did you you run your laps that you relate today? Sure? Checking, 717 00:51:10.519 --> 00:51:14.519 well, anytime, anytime, and I'll be there next time. But 718 00:51:15.000 --> 00:51:19.480 I enjoy I appreciate being invited, and don't pull a Tom Tolbert and pretend 719 00:51:19.480 --> 00:51:28.519 you ran. Yeah, I remember running Tom out on the track. I 720 00:51:28.679 --> 00:51:31.239 was in charge of well, when we first came, we had me really 721 00:51:31.280 --> 00:51:38.039 in charge of all the different uh prep and game prep, uh all prep, 722 00:51:38.199 --> 00:51:45.000 all those things, and I remember running Tom and all the others out 723 00:51:45.039 --> 00:51:46.559 of fun. Hey, Scott, thanks a bunch. I appreciate it. 724 00:51:46.719 --> 00:51:52.559 Be well anytime. Thank you. Tom. He's always good. He didn't 725 00:51:52.559 --> 00:51:54.320 answer my question. He did not answer my question about this mild manner. 726 00:51:54.400 --> 00:51:57.480 Dude, he did not. You have to you know, he kind of 727 00:51:57.559 --> 00:52:00.519 moved. He did not know that's what this guy's blue. Well, look 728 00:52:00.519 --> 00:52:05.159 at that red tinge. He changes it because you know, you have to 729 00:52:05.199 --> 00:52:07.679 be kind of a painting you do and some and you know what he coached 730 00:52:07.679 --> 00:52:13.280 long enough to for you know that he he had he had it, whatever 731 00:52:13.320 --> 00:52:16.159 it was, he had it. If he had to be, you know, 732 00:52:16.239 --> 00:52:19.840 the tough guy with a player or something like that, he had to 733 00:52:19.880 --> 00:52:22.440 do that. One other thing is to makes them successful, though. Are 734 00:52:22.480 --> 00:52:25.559 the assistants, right, who either or the good or the good guys or 735 00:52:25.599 --> 00:52:28.679 the bad guys. And he was, you know, he was the assistant 736 00:52:28.679 --> 00:52:30.800 here. He helped Luke get this program to where it got to you know, 737 00:52:31.079 --> 00:52:35.599 uh, interesting stuff. Real good. Yeah, I like. And 738 00:52:35.880 --> 00:52:38.000 again another one of those guys. You think it's really cool that he's I 739 00:52:38.039 --> 00:52:40.840 was looking at his bindy. He's from Chicago. He coached all over these 740 00:52:40.840 --> 00:52:44.719 places, yet when the time came to say this is where I'm going to 741 00:52:44.760 --> 00:52:47.760 be, he picked Tucson because that's it's a cool place. We love it 742 00:52:47.760 --> 00:52:51.480 here. Okay, Well, good show today, right, very good show. 743 00:52:51.480 --> 00:52:53.519 Hey, Steve got us a great guest for tomorrow. The two time 744 00:52:53.559 --> 00:52:58.559 Olympian Delaney Schnell will be joining us, so be sure to check in on 745 00:52:58.599 --> 00:53:04.840 that. Let's just hope she lends the ending or lensless. It's uh yeah 746 00:53:04.880 --> 00:53:07.119 whatever today, Scott, you gotta run your last Yeah, exactly. So 747 00:53:07.159 --> 00:53:10.960 we'll we'll hopefully be talking to Delaney channel tomorrow and talk about her second trip 748 00:53:12.320 --> 00:53:14.840 going to Paris this summer, so be sure to come back for that. 749 00:53:14.920 --> 00:53:16.159 Otherwise, we will see you tomorrow. Good show,