1 00:00:27,160 --> 00:00:30,760 Hello, and welcome to the show. I'm Martin Willish, your host. 2 00:00:31,199 --> 00:00:39,240 Just a little bit of housekeeping here. Last week we had a lot of 3 00:00:39,280 --> 00:00:46,399 callings and with Robert Powell, and because of that, I've got a lot 4 00:00:46,439 --> 00:00:50,359 of email and I have to listen to my listeners. Basically what it boils 5 00:00:50,399 --> 00:00:54,399 down to, So we're going to push the phone calls to the last half 6 00:00:54,399 --> 00:00:58,280 hour of the show, and I'm sorry, we're just gonna for the people 7 00:00:58,280 --> 00:01:00,320 I want to call in earlier. We're just going to have to leave it 8 00:01:00,359 --> 00:01:06,439 at that and see how that goes. As far as getting a really good 9 00:01:06,519 --> 00:01:10,359 question question for our guest. If you want to know who our upcoming guests 10 00:01:10,439 --> 00:01:14,359 are, there's a couple different ways you can do that. 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I'm glad to hear it. I'm glad 36 00:03:09,759 --> 00:03:15,000 you made it. Boy, it was a tough one tonight. Yeah, 37 00:03:14,400 --> 00:03:20,639 it gets complicated and sometimes these services we use do not participate with us. 38 00:03:20,639 --> 00:03:24,879 Well, So anyway, how's everything going. Everything is going good. So 39 00:03:25,639 --> 00:03:30,960 a lot of stuff going on. I'm just right now writing up my review 40 00:03:30,120 --> 00:03:35,680 for the tonight's episode of Project blue Book. I know you've already seen it, 41 00:03:35,759 --> 00:03:40,120 so we won't talk about that episode today, but maybe say that in 42 00:03:40,159 --> 00:03:45,159 the future, so we don't do any spoilers. But it's an exciting and 43 00:03:45,319 --> 00:03:49,199 interesting one, that's for sure. However, you know, just like we 44 00:03:49,280 --> 00:03:53,840 talked about this last week, the last Project Blue Book show was really diverging 45 00:03:54,280 --> 00:04:00,919 from reality. But what they did do was kind of incorporated these mythologies around 46 00:04:01,000 --> 00:04:04,680 UFOs last times. The episode is about, you know, kind of the 47 00:04:05,240 --> 00:04:10,039 Nazis and Nazi technology type of stuff that may have been brought over here by 48 00:04:10,080 --> 00:04:15,959 German scientists when they were essentially brought here from Germany as part of Project paper 49 00:04:16,000 --> 00:04:19,240 Clip, which was the name of the show. So they do at least 50 00:04:19,279 --> 00:04:26,680 touch upon those things. However, Yeah, it does diverge greatly from reality. 51 00:04:26,720 --> 00:04:29,800 And I guess I'll say, even though the title of this this tonight's 52 00:04:29,839 --> 00:04:32,279 episode is food Fighters. You may agree, and I'd like to hear your 53 00:04:32,319 --> 00:04:38,240 opinion, they don't come any closer back to reality in this next episode. 54 00:04:38,279 --> 00:04:41,600 They get pretty pretty far out there. Yeah, I do remember that, 55 00:04:42,439 --> 00:04:46,759 I do remember, but they I think as a show moves on, I 56 00:04:46,800 --> 00:04:47,800 don't think they're all going to be out there, you know, And I 57 00:04:47,800 --> 00:04:53,879 hope. I hope people don't the hardcore people don't leave, and because it 58 00:04:53,959 --> 00:04:57,160 is really a great show overall, you know, so I hope they come 59 00:04:57,160 --> 00:05:00,560 back. Yeah, you know, I think it's it's it's sighting, it's 60 00:05:00,600 --> 00:05:03,319 getting I guess more. X File is show though it's getting kind of dark. 61 00:05:04,079 --> 00:05:08,600 And yeah, you know, Karen had had said something. She just 62 00:05:08,639 --> 00:05:11,800 said, I hope that, you know, people just don't blow it off 63 00:05:11,839 --> 00:05:15,120 as oh, you know, I thought the show would reveal something that there 64 00:05:15,199 --> 00:05:17,800 was some kind of real mystery the UFOs, but it's actually just all make 65 00:05:17,879 --> 00:05:21,279 believe, just like UFOs are. And hopefully it doesn't reflect bad on that, 66 00:05:21,600 --> 00:05:26,399 but I'm not so sure it is, because we are seeing, certainly 67 00:05:26,519 --> 00:05:31,480 in the media a lot more stories on UFOs, and Sam could speak to 68 00:05:31,519 --> 00:05:36,439 this. I know, i'd someone in the Illinois Chicago area, but they're 69 00:05:36,480 --> 00:05:43,000 all writing about these and we've talked about it before sightings in their local areas, 70 00:05:43,600 --> 00:05:48,079 and we're seeing a lot of these stories. So it's definitely created an 71 00:05:48,199 --> 00:05:51,120 interest in the topic, I believe. I think that that, along with, 72 00:05:51,199 --> 00:05:55,639 of course the New York Times article from a year or so ago and 73 00:05:55,759 --> 00:05:59,920 some of those developments, are really pushing kind of this new found, interesting, 74 00:06:00,079 --> 00:06:03,759 credible information regarding UFOs, in that at least the History Channel it's writing 75 00:06:03,800 --> 00:06:08,560 some good stories regarding all of this. In fact, they've got a great 76 00:06:08,639 --> 00:06:14,839 story on food fighters that you can find on the History Channel website right now 77 00:06:15,399 --> 00:06:18,600 and to support, you know, tonight show, So check that out. 78 00:06:18,759 --> 00:06:26,600 But actually there's a different story that I'm finding extremely interesting that I wanted to 79 00:06:26,600 --> 00:06:30,560 talk about today. Great, Oh right ready, so you probably saw this 80 00:06:30,560 --> 00:06:33,079 one. In fact, I think we talked about it, but it's this 81 00:06:33,160 --> 00:06:40,360 astronomer, Harvard astronomer that says that the Washington Post title is and then the 82 00:06:40,439 --> 00:06:44,839 story is getting all over the place. Harvard's top astronomer says, an alien 83 00:06:44,959 --> 00:06:49,680 ship maybe among us, and he doesn't care what his colleagues think. And 84 00:06:49,759 --> 00:06:57,360 it's an interesting story. So this astronomy professor's name is Abby Loebe, and 85 00:06:57,920 --> 00:07:01,279 he has I guess his calculation he calls cosmic modesty, or this is what 86 00:07:01,319 --> 00:07:06,519 he calls cosmicmodesty, And what he says is that the idea that it's arrogant 87 00:07:06,639 --> 00:07:13,160 to assume we are alone in the universe, that's what his cosmicmodesty is, 88 00:07:13,560 --> 00:07:18,800 or even a particularly special species, and which I think it's really interesting. 89 00:07:18,800 --> 00:07:24,680 And I love this idea to begin with, because in nature we see that 90 00:07:24,759 --> 00:07:28,399 there isn't one of something, there's many, many, many, many many 91 00:07:28,439 --> 00:07:30,879 many of something. In fact, when it comes to planets, we're finding 92 00:07:30,920 --> 00:07:36,079 out that there's tons of planets out there, perhaps even more planets than suns, 93 00:07:36,160 --> 00:07:41,800 which would then equal kind of like his his equation goes into that we're 94 00:07:41,839 --> 00:07:46,040 not so special and unique. I think what's interesting about that is if you 95 00:07:46,079 --> 00:07:50,800 take that even further than this whole level of technology that we have gotten to, 96 00:07:51,000 --> 00:07:58,759 or even our social economical kind of makeup probably also isn't unique, or 97 00:07:58,800 --> 00:08:05,279 even a speed she's that is beginning to become space faring isn't necessarily unique. 98 00:08:05,399 --> 00:08:11,120 So he really pushes his forward. However, he is a guy that was 99 00:08:11,199 --> 00:08:16,720 really pushing the idea that isn't that it's mysterious. Is by its movement they're 100 00:08:16,759 --> 00:08:18,680 able to determine, you know, kind of the makeup of the object. 101 00:08:18,959 --> 00:08:24,680 In this case, the object move in a manner that they could not explain 102 00:08:24,240 --> 00:08:28,199 it the way that it would. The gravity affected it. It seemed lighter 103 00:08:28,199 --> 00:08:33,399 than a typical rock, so it was made of a lighter material. Also, 104 00:08:33,000 --> 00:08:37,799 it seemed I guess it's sped up at some point. So the idea 105 00:08:37,879 --> 00:08:43,080 is that perhaps the way that the Sun hit it, you know, was 106 00:08:43,159 --> 00:08:46,879 able to propel it at that time faster than it could be. That's kind 107 00:08:46,919 --> 00:08:52,000 of the leading theory. But this guy saying, no, that doesn't seem 108 00:08:52,080 --> 00:08:56,200 right either, So it's got to be extraterrestrial. He's suggesting, you know, 109 00:08:56,240 --> 00:09:03,240 it's like an extraterrestrial technology that was sent into our solar system to come 110 00:09:03,320 --> 00:09:07,200 take a look, and then keep going. Like I said, some of 111 00:09:07,200 --> 00:09:11,200 his colleagues are like, well, he doesn't mean it, and that's essentially 112 00:09:11,279 --> 00:09:13,960 what they're saying. That someone suggested, well, he could be putting this 113 00:09:15,120 --> 00:09:18,120 for us as kind of an exercise, because that's all been what professors do 114 00:09:20,159 --> 00:09:24,039 to teach, you know, how you theorize and how you prove or disproved 115 00:09:24,159 --> 00:09:28,360 theories. Other people are saying, perhaps he's joking or it's just kind of 116 00:09:28,399 --> 00:09:33,000 funny because of a lot of it he's got. This guy is super credible. 117 00:09:33,519 --> 00:09:37,279 He's very well known, he's written a lot of papers, and so 118 00:09:37,639 --> 00:09:41,159 he can't hit he's so credible they can't really call him a nut. So 119 00:09:41,240 --> 00:09:45,759 they're just kind of trying to come up with excuses as to why he's doing 120 00:09:45,799 --> 00:09:50,440 this. But it's really interesting. It does seem, at least right now, 121 00:09:50,799 --> 00:09:56,279 he is very at least adamant that there's got to be extraterrestrial civilizations. 122 00:09:56,480 --> 00:10:01,799 There's got to be other species like us, more advanced than us out there, 123 00:10:01,120 --> 00:10:05,720 and that's one of the reasons he loves this idea that this could have 124 00:10:05,960 --> 00:10:11,080 been evidence of that. But what's great is we're seeing a lot of this 125 00:10:11,200 --> 00:10:16,360 There's another story out there recently with another scientist saying that we need to take, 126 00:10:16,720 --> 00:10:20,559 you know, the idea that we might be being visited seriously. There 127 00:10:20,639 --> 00:10:24,480 is a paper written by this Colombo scientist who gotten the news also where he 128 00:10:24,559 --> 00:10:28,320 was essentially saying the same thing that, Okay, maybe we're not being visited 129 00:10:28,399 --> 00:10:33,600 right now, but if there is a potential for that, if we find 130 00:10:33,720 --> 00:10:41,639 something odd, we can't discount that offhand. We have to leave that in 131 00:10:41,720 --> 00:10:46,799 the potential possibilities out there before we just say, you know, it can't 132 00:10:46,840 --> 00:10:50,080 be this, because that's not scientific science. You have to disprove it before 133 00:10:50,120 --> 00:10:58,279 you can not include it definitively. So right, well, hey, I 134 00:10:58,440 --> 00:11:03,039 really appreciate you picking up the mantle here. Uh well, I had the 135 00:11:03,159 --> 00:11:07,399 strange thing happened as my computer screen went black and then it just was gone. 136 00:11:07,799 --> 00:11:11,519 I've never had that happen before. It's a late model marriage of that, 137 00:11:11,919 --> 00:11:16,919 and I think it's the government after tonight, it's Sam. It's Sam. 138 00:11:16,120 --> 00:11:20,919 I think Sam's gone. So before you leave, why don't you hang 139 00:11:20,960 --> 00:11:24,639 in there make sure I get him back. This is just a really exciting 140 00:11:24,720 --> 00:11:31,039 time when we have this government program that to come out. You know, 141 00:11:31,279 --> 00:11:37,039 there was a behind the scene's evolution that that happened here. When Louel Azando 142 00:11:37,120 --> 00:11:43,039 first came out that he had worked for this, this government program investigating UFOs, 143 00:11:43,080 --> 00:11:46,720 his colleagues weren't happy about it. And we know this at least through 144 00:11:46,960 --> 00:11:50,679 through George Nappa, who hasn't been investigating all of this. Many of his 145 00:11:50,720 --> 00:11:58,000 colleagues weren't happy about it, and they weren't necessarily on board with, you 146 00:11:58,039 --> 00:12:01,879 know, these revelations. However, that's changed where his colleagues eventually have kind 147 00:12:01,919 --> 00:12:05,879 of accepted it. They were just, you know, like Harry Reida said, 148 00:12:05,879 --> 00:12:09,480 the whole reason that this program was kept secret is it the scrutiny. 149 00:12:09,559 --> 00:12:13,200 They didn't want people to say, hey, what the hell are you guys 150 00:12:13,200 --> 00:12:16,679 doing, you know, looking for UFOs or aliens and stuff like that. 151 00:12:16,360 --> 00:12:22,720 But that's changed. We have seen through Nick Pope's articles or through other people 152 00:12:22,799 --> 00:12:28,720 that we've interviewed close to this, that the Congress has had part of their 153 00:12:28,759 --> 00:12:35,360 subcommittees have been interviewing UFO witnesses and interviewing Lou and others related to you know, 154 00:12:35,399 --> 00:12:39,360 what's been going on with this phenomena. Let Alone, we've had a 155 00:12:39,399 --> 00:12:43,600 lot more media stories, and then on top of that we have these scientists 156 00:12:43,720 --> 00:12:48,720 being more acceptive of the extraterrestrial hypotheses. And I think one thing we have 157 00:12:48,759 --> 00:12:52,120 to remember, and it is part of this evolution, is that the search 158 00:12:52,159 --> 00:12:58,120 for extraterrestrial institute kind of as it was represented in Contact. They were just 159 00:12:58,159 --> 00:13:03,840 going to listen for signals of aliens possibly being out there, and that used 160 00:13:03,879 --> 00:13:07,559 to be considered fringe. It was really strange and weird, like in the 161 00:13:07,600 --> 00:13:11,360 eighties or in the nineties, And as time went on, because that our 162 00:13:11,440 --> 00:13:15,360 organization is so full of scientists, it began to be taken very, very 163 00:13:15,399 --> 00:13:20,039 seriously, until we've reached this point where NASA essentially is like a Setti institute. 164 00:13:20,080 --> 00:13:24,159 They're all about looking for aliens. Many of their projects have been looking 165 00:13:24,200 --> 00:13:31,919 for life, so that idea that they're out there has been adopted and become, 166 00:13:31,120 --> 00:13:35,639 you know, not weird or funny or worth than giggling about. UFOs 167 00:13:35,639 --> 00:13:39,679 have had a harder time of it. But now we're starting to get to 168 00:13:39,720 --> 00:13:46,200 a point where even the idea that extra coressials could be visiting us, or 169 00:13:46,480 --> 00:13:54,320 we could be having observing evidence of advanced civilization just now starting to become more 170 00:13:54,360 --> 00:14:00,759 accepted. It could be not that only that we have more credible information coming 171 00:14:00,799 --> 00:14:03,519 forth. That's why I think it's important that people like you know, Martin 172 00:14:03,679 --> 00:14:11,120 and Martin's guests share credible information. But it's also I think that, you 173 00:14:11,159 --> 00:14:13,759 know, a lot of these grad students who work on these papers are younger 174 00:14:13,799 --> 00:14:18,240 people, and the statistics show that younger people are really into this topic. 175 00:14:18,320 --> 00:14:24,279 They are more into UFOs and more accepting of the possibility or even have taken 176 00:14:24,279 --> 00:14:28,320 it as fact that there's got to be others out there, And so that 177 00:14:28,399 --> 00:14:33,320 could be part of why this is happening. But we're writing this crest of 178 00:14:33,399 --> 00:14:37,480 where public opinion about something that we've worked on is changing, and I think 179 00:14:37,519 --> 00:14:41,639 it's interesting, and you know, with people like Sam Moranto who's been doing 180 00:14:41,879 --> 00:14:48,879 these sorts of investigations for decades, the landscape has changed so much. And 181 00:14:48,039 --> 00:14:52,919 personally, I think for the positive, you know there there doesn't seem to 182 00:14:52,919 --> 00:14:58,519 be a lot of UFO incidents happening lately. Besides you know, you mentioned 183 00:14:58,720 --> 00:15:05,080 one, but I have noticed it seems quiet, Am I not? Am 184 00:15:05,120 --> 00:15:09,679 I just not seeing them as much? I agree with you there, I 185 00:15:09,159 --> 00:15:15,480 totally agree, which it is interesting that we haven't had a lot of stories 186 00:15:15,519 --> 00:15:20,759 about UFO sightings recently. We've had stories about recent sightings. We've seen a 187 00:15:20,840 --> 00:15:24,960 lot of stories in the media about UFOs and UFO sightings, but typically they're 188 00:15:24,960 --> 00:15:28,399 talking about well, for instance, a lot of them are talking about twenty 189 00:15:28,440 --> 00:15:31,279 eighteen since it's January, or now it's February. But I think because it's 190 00:15:31,360 --> 00:15:35,480 January, a lot of people review the previous year. So we had a 191 00:15:35,480 --> 00:15:43,039 lot of twenty eighteen sighting report stories, but not about necessarily individual sightings. 192 00:15:43,360 --> 00:15:46,399 When it comes to individual sightings, we've had a few, but nothing of 193 00:15:46,559 --> 00:15:52,200 note. And I know some people will argue that they disagree, but really 194 00:15:52,639 --> 00:15:56,159 a lot of what we've seen has been the type of you know, birds 195 00:15:56,200 --> 00:16:03,960 and bees and solar balloons and balloons and nothing really strong or interesting. Unfortunately. 196 00:16:04,360 --> 00:16:07,519 In fact, even this case in Utah, do you remember that one 197 00:16:08,240 --> 00:16:14,320 where this drone captured something zip by very quickly and a lot of people have 198 00:16:14,480 --> 00:16:18,720 analyzed that and I think proven pretty handedly, including you know, our go 199 00:16:18,919 --> 00:16:22,559 to guy, Mark the Antonio who's the move on video and photo expert, 200 00:16:22,840 --> 00:16:26,440 that it was a bird swooping in on the drone, which makes sense. 201 00:16:26,559 --> 00:16:32,120 Movements fit. They even got some steals that that seemed like that seems to 202 00:16:32,159 --> 00:16:36,559 be the answer for that one. So yeah, no, mysterious really great 203 00:16:36,639 --> 00:16:41,360 sightings recently that I'm aware of, and that you know, I've been thinking 204 00:16:41,360 --> 00:16:45,200 about that a lot lately. It's interesting that we have this kind of resurgence, 205 00:16:45,200 --> 00:16:52,240 and I was asked recently on Brian Eno his show. Yeah, Paul 206 00:16:52,320 --> 00:16:56,840 and Bennett their show, and you know, there haven't been recently some really 207 00:16:56,879 --> 00:17:03,120 great sightings even though we have this kind of bigger interest in the topic. 208 00:17:03,279 --> 00:17:07,160 So I think that's that's odd. Yeah, Alejandro, I don't know if 209 00:17:07,160 --> 00:17:11,319 there's another subject you can speak of, but I'm going to try to dial 210 00:17:11,400 --> 00:17:17,960 through to Sam. It's just going to take a few minutes. So let's 211 00:17:18,000 --> 00:17:21,319 see. Can you go ahead and talk about your Thursday night live stream show. 212 00:17:21,359 --> 00:17:25,240 I really enjoy that. Okay, Well, I talked a lot about 213 00:17:25,440 --> 00:17:29,480 news, so my Thursday livestream show of course here. Well, I guess 214 00:17:29,480 --> 00:17:33,319 we're probably not broadcasting on YouTube right now. No, no, yeah, 215 00:17:33,400 --> 00:17:36,359 oh we are. Okay, So it's here on YouTube, kind of like 216 00:17:36,400 --> 00:17:40,039 this show where I do a live show. It's every Thursday evening, six 217 00:17:40,119 --> 00:17:44,119 pm, Arizona time. And I say Arizona time because we don't change with 218 00:17:44,240 --> 00:17:48,000 daylight saving, so right now we're aligned with Mountain. Otherwise in the summer 219 00:17:48,000 --> 00:17:53,680 where aligned with Pacific. But essentially I covered the news in more depth and 220 00:17:53,839 --> 00:17:56,839 some of the stories that I write so kind of like these reviews I've been 221 00:17:56,880 --> 00:18:00,839 doing on Project Bluebook, I go into the tale about some of the stories 222 00:18:00,880 --> 00:18:06,960 that are related to these episodes that I include in the links, and also 223 00:18:07,400 --> 00:18:11,720 the actual Blue Book files. What I think is interesting is I've read other 224 00:18:11,799 --> 00:18:15,079 reviews, and I haven't seen any other reviews except for mine actually where that 225 00:18:15,160 --> 00:18:19,400 referenced the actual Blue Book stories and give you links to them to see the 226 00:18:19,440 --> 00:18:26,000 files themselves, because it's hard to tell from the television show certainly what's real 227 00:18:26,079 --> 00:18:32,480 and what's not. And some of the more interesting points are aspects, especially 228 00:18:32,519 --> 00:18:37,720 of those sightings that we're covered in the first few episodes, are really fascinating 229 00:18:37,720 --> 00:18:44,559 and you can find pictures for details in the Project blue Book files. Another 230 00:18:44,960 --> 00:18:48,160 really important and I think this is the number one most important book in uphology, 231 00:18:48,759 --> 00:18:55,200 is Captain Rupelt's book, So Edward Rupelt essentially, and I think this 232 00:18:55,279 --> 00:18:57,519 is an interesting part of history, and he documents. This in his book, 233 00:19:00,039 --> 00:19:04,759 The Air Force in the early fifties was not when it came to UFOs, 234 00:19:04,880 --> 00:19:08,799 was not seen in a positive light. That's because in nineteen forty eight, 235 00:19:08,920 --> 00:19:14,240 the very first UFO investigation that went on projects signed, there was a 236 00:19:14,319 --> 00:19:19,240 paper written estimate of a situation that concluded UFOs could be extraterrestural in nature. 237 00:19:19,240 --> 00:19:22,599 Of course, they outlined a few things these could be, but they said 238 00:19:22,640 --> 00:19:27,000 some are genuine mysteries and this could be a possibility. General Vandenburgh didn't like 239 00:19:27,119 --> 00:19:33,680 that idea. He said, try again, ripped up the report and essentially 240 00:19:33,759 --> 00:19:37,319 wanted to take that part out because he didn't feel that that was there was 241 00:19:37,440 --> 00:19:41,519 enough evidence to support that. So then became Project Grudge. What's interesting is 242 00:19:41,519 --> 00:19:45,880 that project names are supposed to be chosen randomly, and supposedly they are, 243 00:19:47,440 --> 00:19:51,640 but Grudge seemed to fit because by this time the Air Force really seemed to 244 00:19:51,680 --> 00:19:56,359 have a grudge against the whole phenomena, and they really worked hard to debunk 245 00:19:56,559 --> 00:20:03,119 everything, older cases, current cases, and so and scientists began to not 246 00:20:03,200 --> 00:20:07,000 want to deal with the Air Force, or even people in the Air Force 247 00:20:07,319 --> 00:20:11,440 didn't want to send cases to Bluebook because they knew even if they had an 248 00:20:11,480 --> 00:20:15,480 interesting case that blue Book would say, oh, it's not this or it's 249 00:20:15,559 --> 00:20:18,240 not that. In fact, Project blue Book covered one of the cases, 250 00:20:18,240 --> 00:20:22,960 and I think it was a Gorman case in the first episode. They can't 251 00:20:22,960 --> 00:20:27,680 remember for sure, but essentially what had happened was that the object was caught 252 00:20:27,759 --> 00:20:33,279 on radar, and the radar guys sent into Bluebook, Hey, this is 253 00:20:33,359 --> 00:20:38,039 not whether phenomenon. Was not some sort of weather messing with our radar. 254 00:20:38,160 --> 00:20:42,720 This was an object that we saw moving in a strange manner. They send 255 00:20:42,759 --> 00:20:47,759 this into blue Book being very clear, and Rupelt says he saw this report 256 00:20:47,799 --> 00:20:52,559 and it was obvious that they were afraid that Blue Book would explain it away, 257 00:20:52,880 --> 00:20:56,440 and sure enough they still explained it. Wayne say, nope, this 258 00:20:56,559 --> 00:21:00,799 has to be whether even though those radar people splicitly said they checked, that 259 00:21:02,039 --> 00:21:06,799 was not the issue. But it demonstrated why this ankst and frustration was having 260 00:21:06,799 --> 00:21:10,079 with Blue Books. So they wanted Rupelt to come take a look and say, 261 00:21:10,079 --> 00:21:12,400 well, what shall we do at this point? And Rupelt said, 262 00:21:12,480 --> 00:21:15,599 we've got a bad reputation. This is not good for us. We really 263 00:21:15,640 --> 00:21:19,480 need to genuinely investigate these things, and they said, okay, thanks, 264 00:21:21,000 --> 00:21:23,519 go for it, and they put him in charge. He only did us 265 00:21:23,559 --> 00:21:29,319 for about a year or so and then he retired and he wrote a book 266 00:21:29,359 --> 00:21:33,359 about his experience in Project Blue Book. And it's a great book. It's 267 00:21:33,400 --> 00:21:37,799 got some very very credible cases, and I really feel it's the most important 268 00:21:37,799 --> 00:21:41,359 book in this field. And you can find that book for free on the 269 00:21:41,480 --> 00:21:48,079 Nightcap website. But just google rupelt estimate of a situation of this situation and 270 00:21:48,119 --> 00:21:52,720 you can find it and read that book. Several super fascinating cases in there. 271 00:21:52,920 --> 00:21:59,960 And that book is really what's being used largely by the Project Bluebook creator 272 00:22:00,200 --> 00:22:03,160 and writers to put together these episodes. So really that book, you're going 273 00:22:03,200 --> 00:22:08,720 to read the truth of all of the background of all of this. So 274 00:22:08,759 --> 00:22:12,440 that's something really interesting to look into. And so a lot of my stories 275 00:22:12,640 --> 00:22:17,759 the roots are from there. You know. My you and I had a 276 00:22:17,759 --> 00:22:23,480 conversation once about that book and I mentioned that that I said that I didn't 277 00:22:23,519 --> 00:22:26,720 have that book. Well, someone was went into a library, one of 278 00:22:26,759 --> 00:22:32,880 my listeners went into a library actually in Phoenix, and they found the book 279 00:22:32,880 --> 00:22:37,359 and sent it to me a wonderful hard copy. Yeah, but they check 280 00:22:37,440 --> 00:22:41,119 it out of the library and then send it to you. I mean, 281 00:22:41,160 --> 00:22:47,119 I'm sorry, bookstore, Oh I say library, Oh boy. Yeah, 282 00:22:47,160 --> 00:22:52,240 there are several outlets. I'm reprinting it so you can't find it on Amazon. 283 00:22:52,319 --> 00:22:55,519 And in fact, in all of my videos I put a link to 284 00:22:55,559 --> 00:22:57,519 it on the bottom because I have some of my favorite books linked there, 285 00:22:57,559 --> 00:23:02,839 so you can go buy them, but I would recommend them all. But 286 00:23:03,039 --> 00:23:07,200 that one's really important, I think, because it establishes from the get go, 287 00:23:07,480 --> 00:23:11,400 and this is something I've been saying, and it's certainly borne out in 288 00:23:11,559 --> 00:23:18,759 recent revelations, especially related to you know, Alesando and his group at the 289 00:23:18,880 --> 00:23:23,200 DoD in investigating UFOs, that it's never been that there's been a consensus. 290 00:23:23,640 --> 00:23:27,400 I mean, I think the US Air Force PR Department has worked very hard 291 00:23:27,440 --> 00:23:30,200 to say, oh, yeah, we looked at UFOs, there's nothing to 292 00:23:30,359 --> 00:23:34,880 it, and we and it's kind of a unanimous decision. But that's never 293 00:23:34,960 --> 00:23:41,559 been the case. There's always been arguing within the Air Force as to the 294 00:23:41,680 --> 00:23:47,759 nature of the phenomena. And I think we see that, especially with the 295 00:23:47,839 --> 00:23:52,079 revelation surrounding the Nimitz case, which you've covered in depth. In that these 296 00:23:52,119 --> 00:23:56,319 people, of course since two thousand and four have felt that they really experienced 297 00:23:56,359 --> 00:24:00,599 something anomalous, and now that they're able to come out about it, they're 298 00:24:00,640 --> 00:24:03,319 talking about it. So that proves, you know, and demonstrates there has 299 00:24:03,359 --> 00:24:10,119 been these conversations within the Air Force despite you know, us not knowing that 300 00:24:10,240 --> 00:24:12,680 and none of that, really very little of it, I should say, 301 00:24:12,759 --> 00:24:18,079 coming to light. I shouldn't say none, because there are researchers who have 302 00:24:18,119 --> 00:24:23,160 been able to interview military witnesses in the last few decades, even during really 303 00:24:23,200 --> 00:24:26,960 all of this really hard secrecy. I don't know if Sam has that would 304 00:24:26,960 --> 00:24:30,880 be interesting. He's done so much work. I'm sure he has. But 305 00:24:30,559 --> 00:24:34,960 one example of that would be, you know, the Scientific Coalition for Ufology 306 00:24:36,720 --> 00:24:41,519 and their investigation of the Homeland Security video from two thousand and nine over Puerto 307 00:24:41,640 --> 00:24:45,079 Rico, where these guys you know, saw something and mysterious and they sought 308 00:24:45,200 --> 00:24:51,599 the group of these UFO researchers to investigate it. Right again, I really 309 00:24:51,640 --> 00:24:55,359 appreciate you really helped out a lot tonight, No problem, my pleasure. 310 00:24:55,599 --> 00:24:57,359 All right, all right, I'll talk to you next week, all right, 311 00:24:57,440 --> 00:25:00,480 talk to you later, all right, bye, bye, all right 312 00:25:00,519 --> 00:25:04,680 everyone. Our guest is Sam Moronto. He has been on the show a 313 00:25:04,759 --> 00:25:10,799 number of times. He's always he actually helped me out with the show at 314 00:25:10,839 --> 00:25:15,160 one time, did a couple of UFO news segments. And it's always great 315 00:25:15,160 --> 00:25:18,920 talking to him. I consider him a good friend. And he's back. 316 00:25:18,960 --> 00:25:23,200 And just what we're speaking of earlier, just a minute ago about the Nimits 317 00:25:23,240 --> 00:25:26,160 case, just one more thing I wanted to add about that. On March 318 00:25:26,279 --> 00:25:30,880 nineteenth, I will have Kevin Day. He was the radar, the chief 319 00:25:32,240 --> 00:25:37,720 officer and the overlooking the radar that saw all those objects on the Nimit case, 320 00:25:37,880 --> 00:25:41,640 Nimitz case, And he and I had a conversation last night. He 321 00:25:41,680 --> 00:25:44,640 said he was going to try to get a couple more tic Tac witnesses to 322 00:25:44,720 --> 00:25:48,200 join the show again. That's March nineteenth. I'm not saying that's going to 323 00:25:48,279 --> 00:25:52,039 happen. I'm gonna say I'm hopeful that's going to happen, and we'll see 324 00:25:52,039 --> 00:25:56,480 if it indeed does. All right, So our guest VFO, we had 325 00:25:56,519 --> 00:26:00,000 all kinds of trouble and every which way possible, little skype, you name 326 00:26:00,039 --> 00:26:03,160 it, but I got him here on the phone. Is Sam Ranta. 327 00:26:03,279 --> 00:26:07,240 Welcome to the show. Boy, have we've gone through quite a few kirdles 328 00:26:07,240 --> 00:26:11,039 today. Huh was something else? I think we started half an hour before 329 00:26:11,079 --> 00:26:15,160 the show too, and still yees, trouble left to trouble. But anyway 330 00:26:15,799 --> 00:26:21,720 we're heredro covered. Oh yeah, oh my god, Halahandro and you've covered 331 00:26:21,759 --> 00:26:25,319 tons of ground and I was wishing you would actually stay on, but that'd 332 00:26:25,319 --> 00:26:27,880 be kind of impossible for us to all talk. But maybe I don't know. 333 00:26:30,559 --> 00:26:37,359 This whole blue Book phenomena is really getting people interested that were neither on 334 00:26:37,400 --> 00:26:42,720 the fence or even in the arena anyway whatsoever. They were watching other things 335 00:26:44,000 --> 00:26:48,559 and all of a sudden they're watching this. So we've discussed this many times 336 00:26:48,599 --> 00:26:52,720 over and you always took the position and they applaud you for it, saying 337 00:26:52,759 --> 00:26:56,799 that they're no something good will come out of it. As far as getting 338 00:26:56,839 --> 00:27:00,319 people interested, yea, yeah, I do. I do think so. 339 00:27:00,799 --> 00:27:03,680 Um, you know, I mean a lot of there's been a lot of 340 00:27:03,720 --> 00:27:10,279 critics, as you know, for Project Bluebook, the series, and that 341 00:27:10,400 --> 00:27:15,400 is almost to be expected. But anyway, you know, there is some 342 00:27:15,599 --> 00:27:18,000 good coming out of it as well, as you say full of the listener 343 00:27:18,119 --> 00:27:22,680 that we have a lot of first time listeners can you give them your background 344 00:27:22,720 --> 00:27:26,240 and and what got you? I know you had a sighting when you were 345 00:27:26,279 --> 00:27:30,720 young, but can you give the new listen just a nutshell of who Sam 346 00:27:30,799 --> 00:27:36,640 Moronto is. Well, I'm just a regular guy. I don't have any 347 00:27:36,640 --> 00:27:40,400 acronyms and back of my names. If they're they're they're typos. It's just 348 00:27:40,599 --> 00:27:45,920 experience, and you know it's I've I've had personal experience with these things. 349 00:27:45,559 --> 00:27:51,319 And again, because of that, I have to probably be more objective when 350 00:27:51,359 --> 00:27:56,200 it comes to analyzing a case, and that may play out to sound it 351 00:27:56,359 --> 00:28:00,119 sometimes far more skeptical, but never cynical. And I think that plays out 352 00:28:00,240 --> 00:28:07,240 well across the board if we're to be taken seriously. So my first experience, 353 00:28:07,559 --> 00:28:14,000 I was a little guy up at my uncle's cottage and being a little 354 00:28:14,039 --> 00:28:15,599 kid, running all over the place. He had just put a new well 355 00:28:15,680 --> 00:28:18,759 in and I had to find out how deep it was. So I'm dropping 356 00:28:18,799 --> 00:28:22,839 stuff down there and he's yelling at man, and I'm like, oh, 357 00:28:22,839 --> 00:28:26,240 well, I gotta go hide some ers and do something else. Going to 358 00:28:26,319 --> 00:28:33,440 backyard and I'm standing there pitching some rocks across the water. They were by 359 00:28:33,480 --> 00:28:37,160 the lake, and this was just a little inlet, and all of a 360 00:28:37,200 --> 00:28:42,680 sudden, its bright object comes flying past my shoulder. I was very warm 361 00:28:42,759 --> 00:28:47,519 after that, I remember that. And it went up behind a tree, 362 00:28:47,640 --> 00:28:52,799 a willow tree, and disappeared. My aunt was calling me. She said 363 00:28:52,839 --> 00:28:56,200 for some time she couldn't find me, and it was dark out. When 364 00:28:56,240 --> 00:29:00,680 all this came together, it scared the heck out of me. Didn't know 365 00:29:00,720 --> 00:29:04,440 what was going on. So that was my first experience with something that was 366 00:29:04,559 --> 00:29:10,200 truly anomalous in the sky, and it could be called a uap ufo or 367 00:29:10,240 --> 00:29:15,039 whatever. But as a kid, one day I woke up again all this 368 00:29:15,440 --> 00:29:18,559 I was young. I heard my father talking about something, all excited in 369 00:29:18,559 --> 00:29:22,119 the kitchen. I walked into the kitchen and there he is. He's telling 370 00:29:22,160 --> 00:29:26,640 the story about going by one of his students. He was a music teacher 371 00:29:26,119 --> 00:29:30,039 and he actually made house calls and he went to the house. The wife 372 00:29:30,200 --> 00:29:33,880 said, come on in, Sam, you got to go in the backyard. 373 00:29:33,920 --> 00:29:37,240 The boys are looking at something in the sky. So they get out 374 00:29:37,279 --> 00:29:41,680 there, and they were amateur astronomers, and they said, Sam, you 375 00:29:41,720 --> 00:29:45,920 know what, we've seen some UFOs. My dad goes, what are UFOs? 376 00:29:47,440 --> 00:29:49,720 And they end up giving him a magazine, a couple of books, 377 00:29:49,759 --> 00:29:55,160 and they gave me the adventure of a lifetime. So that's all it started 378 00:29:55,200 --> 00:30:00,880 out for me. Now, my first involved as far as doing investigative work 379 00:30:02,000 --> 00:30:04,400 was in the eighties. I was doing it by myself, and then there 380 00:30:04,480 --> 00:30:08,880 was a case in nineteen ninety seven. Funny thing is it was the same 381 00:30:08,960 --> 00:30:15,119 year, of course, as to the May thirteenth sighting in Phoenix, which 382 00:30:15,119 --> 00:30:21,279 was nineteen that we had March, yes, March thirteenth, and there was 383 00:30:21,880 --> 00:30:27,960 this one was earlier that year, and it was in New Lennox, all 384 00:30:29,000 --> 00:30:33,000 the way north through Orland Park that this object was seen. It was seen 385 00:30:33,079 --> 00:30:37,759 by a lot of people, but the one individual that really really made the 386 00:30:37,880 --> 00:30:42,640 news was a pilot and I heard about him when I was coming home from 387 00:30:42,680 --> 00:30:48,559 Cristo Lake. I turned on the radio and he was talking about this sighting 388 00:30:48,720 --> 00:30:51,839 was all over the news. So I made it a point to see him. 389 00:30:52,240 --> 00:30:56,599 And then after that I met up with a gentleman from Luffan and so 390 00:30:56,839 --> 00:31:02,400 we all got involved in working on things. And after that it was one 391 00:31:02,440 --> 00:31:04,440 thing after another, you know. So I don't know how many years. 392 00:31:04,480 --> 00:31:11,200 It's been a long time, right right, And and you actually were the 393 00:31:11,480 --> 00:31:15,799 go to for a couple of cases people really looking into, and we can 394 00:31:15,160 --> 00:31:21,519 talk about them and a little bit here, but one of them that you 395 00:31:21,599 --> 00:31:25,279 were really involved in I remember for quite a while it was the Tinley Park 396 00:31:26,559 --> 00:31:30,119 mass sightings. You remember, you're telling me you love mass sightings because of 397 00:31:30,160 --> 00:31:33,720 all the war mass sightings. Yes, mass sightings. Really, when you 398 00:31:34,400 --> 00:31:38,799 lay out the weight of a case, the more people you have, especially 399 00:31:38,839 --> 00:31:45,880 if it's a cut across the demographic of a community and from various vantage points, 400 00:31:45,119 --> 00:31:48,599 it really adds value to a case because you could be looking at the 401 00:31:48,640 --> 00:31:55,079 same object at the same time, but from your vantage point you're seeing something 402 00:31:55,440 --> 00:31:59,440 entirely different. And so when you get a well rounded view of what's going 403 00:31:59,519 --> 00:32:02,640 on, you get a better idea. And that was a perfect example with 404 00:32:02,759 --> 00:32:07,160 the Tinley Park case. The Tiley Park case, you have the three lights 405 00:32:07,160 --> 00:32:12,000 in the sky and that's all they're seeing is these three points of light. 406 00:32:12,079 --> 00:32:15,000 And three points of light could be anything, but these were so brilliant and 407 00:32:16,200 --> 00:32:23,480 so unusual. They hovered, they rotated counterclockwise and actually at times even moved 408 00:32:24,440 --> 00:32:29,799 very quick, almost hyper leaping from one point to another then going straight up. 409 00:32:30,720 --> 00:32:38,319 This was strange because they never broke the signature of being like an Isosceles. 410 00:32:38,799 --> 00:32:43,799 All that it was is just a matter of your perspective, and we 411 00:32:43,960 --> 00:32:46,759 knew that by looking at the footage. And here's a perfect scenario. We 412 00:32:46,880 --> 00:32:52,680 have thousands of witnesses, hundreds of the absolute very least, and then we 413 00:32:52,799 --> 00:33:00,119 have multiple sets of footage from different vantage points. I personally reviewed over or 414 00:33:00,200 --> 00:33:05,519 teen videos and I know there's at least twenty five out there, and I'm 415 00:33:05,519 --> 00:33:09,920 sure there's more than that. And when you analyze it, and not only 416 00:33:10,000 --> 00:33:16,599 I that analyze it, multiple people analyzed it. That was part of the 417 00:33:16,640 --> 00:33:23,240 second series of UFO Hunters, so that was analyzed very well, and they 418 00:33:23,319 --> 00:33:29,240 played it back and forth. And the bottom line is they are a fix 419 00:33:29,319 --> 00:33:34,480 in time space. So if they're not on an object, there is something 420 00:33:34,680 --> 00:33:39,960 in there holding it in time place. Though we know people have seen an 421 00:33:40,000 --> 00:33:45,960 actual object when they were directly underneath it, very cloaked into the sky and 422 00:33:46,440 --> 00:33:52,240 actually displaying when you got directly underneath, almost like the canopy of stars above. 423 00:33:52,920 --> 00:34:00,119 So it was whatever technology is it is, it's pretty cool and I 424 00:34:00,160 --> 00:34:02,440 would like to think it's ours. I don't know, because the darn thing 425 00:34:04,039 --> 00:34:09,039 was massive, could well have been quarter of a mile, even bigger than 426 00:34:09,079 --> 00:34:14,480 that, Who knows it was big. So where do you house something like 427 00:34:14,519 --> 00:34:20,159 that? The other thing is that object has been seen in multiple locations, 428 00:34:20,199 --> 00:34:24,280 not just Tinley Park. And during that period of time, on the August 429 00:34:24,400 --> 00:34:30,440 nineteenth, we had in Minneapolis Saint Paul a sighting of an object stationary in 430 00:34:30,519 --> 00:34:35,880 the sky for at least nine hours or more and it sat there at about 431 00:34:35,880 --> 00:34:38,920 thirty thousand feet in the air, and it just sat there all day and 432 00:34:38,960 --> 00:34:44,320 to the points that people coming in from Wisconsin were seeing a turn red at 433 00:34:44,440 --> 00:34:49,480 night, and then it disappeared. Now, now that wasn't a weather balloon. 434 00:34:49,800 --> 00:34:52,719 In fact, Peter Davenport received that report, and he was the one 435 00:34:52,719 --> 00:34:58,400 who received the Tinley Park reports, the O'Hare reports. Peter Davenport is the 436 00:34:58,519 --> 00:35:04,199 unsung hero eyes and uthology for many great cases, and I applaud demand. 437 00:35:05,320 --> 00:35:10,800 But he had he had these these these these people calling in about Minneapolis, 438 00:35:12,199 --> 00:35:15,280 and rarely do you hear about it? Did you ever hear about the Minneapolis 439 00:35:15,280 --> 00:35:22,519 sighting on the nineteenth precursor? Yeah? And then that night in Arizona there 440 00:35:22,639 --> 00:35:28,760 was a there were multiple sightings, and there are two sets of footage from 441 00:35:28,960 --> 00:35:32,800 one being north and one being south in the Phoenix area of an object, 442 00:35:32,880 --> 00:35:37,719 a very large object, very unusual, sitting still in the sky at a 443 00:35:37,840 --> 00:35:42,519 thirty mile an hour wind. Further south, the wind wasn't as bad, 444 00:35:42,639 --> 00:35:45,599 but still it was pretty bad. And there's a triangular object sitting in the 445 00:35:45,679 --> 00:35:53,280 skyders. There's video of that, the configuration of the eliminations moving in a 446 00:35:53,400 --> 00:35:59,679 uniform pattern, you know motion. So that was on the nineteenth. Our 447 00:35:59,760 --> 00:36:04,599 for sighting here was on the twenty first of August, but there were sightings 448 00:36:04,639 --> 00:36:08,639 all around the world within that period of time. In August. August was 449 00:36:08,679 --> 00:36:14,400 a very strange month. It was also the month that we first got the 450 00:36:14,440 --> 00:36:22,280 first landfall of one of thirteen hurricanes in the Caribbean, So that was a 451 00:36:22,360 --> 00:36:28,599 strange year. We never had that many hurricanes that were that powerful in that 452 00:36:28,760 --> 00:36:35,440 area. The other thing is two four we end up at the Sumatran earthquake 453 00:36:35,519 --> 00:36:39,400 tsunami that was on Christmas. So I mean a lot of weird things were 454 00:36:39,400 --> 00:36:44,719 happening in two thousand and four. The other thing about the Tinley Park case, 455 00:36:44,760 --> 00:36:50,119 and this is something I keep on forgetting about telling you is the nimits 456 00:36:51,440 --> 00:36:54,440 tik Tak sighting was the tenth of the fourteenth. They were seeing him, 457 00:36:54,679 --> 00:37:00,159 though it has mentioned that the month prior, within that period of time they 458 00:37:00,159 --> 00:37:05,639 were also getting incursions and other reports and other things picked up on a radar. 459 00:37:05,880 --> 00:37:08,320 So it wasn't just then, but that was when it seemed to have 460 00:37:08,440 --> 00:37:15,679 peaked, and that would have been November the tenth of the fourteenth. And 461 00:37:15,880 --> 00:37:22,000 here our last mass sighting at Tinley Park and in other places was October thirty 462 00:37:22,039 --> 00:37:29,079 first to Halloween, ten days afterwards all this excitement around the minute sleep Sam, 463 00:37:29,119 --> 00:37:35,559 you mentioned that there are some videos of the Tinley Park incident. Is 464 00:37:35,559 --> 00:37:40,239 that actually available? Someone can actually find those videos online or where they are? 465 00:37:40,280 --> 00:37:45,320 They available anywhere to look? Okay? You could, yes, look 466 00:37:45,519 --> 00:37:52,199 up. It would be UFO Hunters. It would be episode two oh one 467 00:37:52,400 --> 00:38:01,079 and it's called Invasion Illinois. You could see them analyzing footage. I'm sitting 468 00:38:01,079 --> 00:38:07,239 there talking about it whatever. Then there's also the I don't know if you 469 00:38:07,239 --> 00:38:13,360 could still find it anymore. MSNBC Dateline. We did a I got a 470 00:38:13,400 --> 00:38:15,880 call from them. They wanted to do something on you with POS but they 471 00:38:15,920 --> 00:38:22,519 wanted at ten best Cases, and they really wanted it something with photographic evidence 472 00:38:22,519 --> 00:38:27,719 of video evidence. So I had mentioned X number of cases, and I 473 00:38:27,880 --> 00:38:31,320 pointed them to some individuals, and then of course I said Tinley Park, 474 00:38:31,599 --> 00:38:36,880 which they knew. They knew nothing about Stevensville at that time when that came 475 00:38:36,920 --> 00:38:40,199 out. They knew about Stevensville to some degree. Yet there was really no 476 00:38:40,360 --> 00:38:47,239 video for Stevensville. For Tinley Park as video multiple sets of video. So 477 00:38:47,280 --> 00:38:52,000 the thing is that too could be out there somewhere. As it was called, 478 00:38:52,480 --> 00:38:58,480 I think it was ten Best Encounters. It was MSNBC. Yeah, 479 00:38:58,519 --> 00:39:02,599 yeah, and they did. They did a real interesting job cutting it up. 480 00:39:02,639 --> 00:39:08,840 And even the funny thing was it was shot by by some folks that 481 00:39:08,880 --> 00:39:13,360 are doing some doing some big things right now as far as some of the 482 00:39:13,440 --> 00:39:19,039 production. But it was done for in the CENTC. And I sat there 483 00:39:19,079 --> 00:39:22,360 in the hot seat until I said the word exterrestrial because I usually don't say 484 00:39:22,360 --> 00:39:27,800 the E word. And I sat there and I thought I was going to 485 00:39:27,920 --> 00:39:31,800 melt until all these questions and what is he going to say? The E 486 00:39:31,920 --> 00:39:35,800 word is what it comes down to, and I said, I said, 487 00:39:35,800 --> 00:39:40,519 this long sentence qualifying what I thought, this could be a long sentence, 488 00:39:40,599 --> 00:39:45,480 and in there was exterrestrial. And when you hear it, that's all you 489 00:39:45,559 --> 00:39:50,159 hear is me saying something about exterrestrial. I do mean on the cutting floor 490 00:39:50,199 --> 00:39:53,119 they edited it out. You're saying, they added out the rest of the 491 00:39:53,159 --> 00:39:59,559 sentence. Oh yeah. And then the other thing is they kept on they 492 00:39:59,639 --> 00:40:02,960 kept they didn't. We always started out. I had one of the witnesses 493 00:40:04,519 --> 00:40:07,559 mute with me, in fact, one of the key witnesses, and had 494 00:40:07,599 --> 00:40:14,840 some great footage, and every time we would start a sentence, we'd always 495 00:40:14,840 --> 00:40:19,800 say the red lights. We'd qualify what it was, the color and everything. 496 00:40:20,079 --> 00:40:23,440 Never never did they do that. They only showed the very burnt out 497 00:40:24,440 --> 00:40:29,719 images where you couldn't even see that there is anything red and there. And 498 00:40:30,360 --> 00:40:35,000 I remember one of the so called skeptics making the statement that they even thought 499 00:40:35,000 --> 00:40:40,360 it was a it was a celestial it was a constellation, which would have 500 00:40:40,400 --> 00:40:45,760 been, you know, in the summer triangle dan ed Altar and Vega. 501 00:40:46,360 --> 00:40:52,239 And this cracks me up because if it was, the Earth would have been 502 00:40:52,280 --> 00:40:57,400 spinning because this thing's moving around and we'd be dead. So thank god it 503 00:40:57,599 --> 00:41:01,000 was it, you know, But no, they didn't. They didn't even 504 00:41:01,280 --> 00:41:06,440 probably get to see the footage better or have at least some explanation to what 505 00:41:06,480 --> 00:41:10,599 they're saying. These things were read but so intense that we need what the 506 00:41:10,639 --> 00:41:16,079 camera picked up, did no no justification whatsoever to what they were actually saying. 507 00:41:16,199 --> 00:41:22,440 None. Wow, we have just about a minute or so and we're 508 00:41:22,440 --> 00:41:25,000 going to be going into a break. I just wanted to bring up that. 509 00:41:25,760 --> 00:41:30,239 Speaking with both James Fox and Travis Walton. He did an episode of 510 00:41:30,639 --> 00:41:37,440 UFO Chasing UFOs that James Fox, who was a short lived series, and 511 00:41:37,880 --> 00:41:42,480 they both but mostly Travis Walton was very upset at what they did with the 512 00:41:42,519 --> 00:41:45,639 cutting the editing. Um, you know, he said, the whole story 513 00:41:45,679 --> 00:41:50,960 completely changed with what they did with the editing and he was really really upset 514 00:41:51,000 --> 00:41:55,239 about it, and us very up Yeah. And James when he was going 515 00:41:55,280 --> 00:41:59,400 to come on my show the last time, he said, we really don't 516 00:41:59,440 --> 00:42:01,960 have to bring that up if you don't want to. Other words, we 517 00:42:02,000 --> 00:42:07,079 don't have to talk about chasing UFOs. So we're ready to go into break. 518 00:42:07,159 --> 00:42:10,639 Sam, Um, so hang in there. Everyone will be right back 519 00:42:10,760 --> 00:42:25,559 right after these messages. Okay, we are clear for a few minutes, 520 00:42:27,000 --> 00:42:32,639 and Sam we're still we're still alive on YouTube and god so so we'll pick 521 00:42:32,719 --> 00:42:37,800 up you know where we were talking then, but let's talk about um something 522 00:42:37,840 --> 00:42:40,559 different. Have you lived in other places in the country. You mostly have 523 00:42:40,679 --> 00:42:45,800 lived in the Chicago area, right, Yes, yeah, well I lived 524 00:42:45,800 --> 00:42:47,400 anywhere as I went as long as I wasn't dead. Yeah, but I 525 00:42:47,440 --> 00:42:52,639 mean, yeah, yeah that I'm just born on the South side of Chicago 526 00:42:52,679 --> 00:42:57,239 and that's it. Yeah. Yeah, you know, I don't do much 527 00:42:57,280 --> 00:43:00,840 traveling anyways. You know, that's why I get it, fight it anywheres 528 00:43:00,679 --> 00:43:07,920 to speak to a tough work group in the Kidnessey I don't care if they're 529 00:43:07,960 --> 00:43:09,719 paying the airfare. I go and I talk and they don't even have to 530 00:43:09,719 --> 00:43:14,239 pay me. Just give me a sandwich or whatever. I do it and 531 00:43:14,320 --> 00:43:16,840 we just we just uh. Today we have fifty five degrees here and me 532 00:43:17,119 --> 00:43:22,840 up here on the coast, but we had cold You really got cold weather. 533 00:43:22,159 --> 00:43:27,639 How cold was it? Oh? Yeah, you were there? Yeah, 534 00:43:27,679 --> 00:43:29,679 I wanted to said, I don't know if I had up sending you 535 00:43:29,719 --> 00:43:34,039 that. I was taking pictures in the morning. It was negative twenty two, 536 00:43:34,320 --> 00:43:37,400 that's without the wind chill. But then my sister called me up, 537 00:43:37,480 --> 00:43:40,159 which was up in Galina, and I think it was negative thirty six without 538 00:43:40,159 --> 00:43:45,360 the wind chill. And then a buddy of mine up in Wisconsin is was 539 00:43:45,440 --> 00:43:49,960 He said it was close to forty without the wind ship. So I'm like, 540 00:43:50,119 --> 00:43:53,039 my gosh. Yeah. And we were down in Springfield. I told 541 00:43:53,079 --> 00:43:58,360 you we went to spoke at that paranormal thing. It was very nice. 542 00:43:59,199 --> 00:44:01,880 But the hotel we get there, they had busted pipes, and then the 543 00:44:01,960 --> 00:44:06,360 hotel next storehead busted pipes. I'm like, oh my gosh. They go, 544 00:44:06,480 --> 00:44:09,079 oh, it was horrific. Down here. They're not they're not used 545 00:44:09,119 --> 00:44:14,119 to this, you know, further south they're not used to it, and 546 00:44:14,760 --> 00:44:17,119 neither are week. Yeah, the plumbers will be busy for a long time 547 00:44:17,480 --> 00:44:22,119 in the whole midnight. Yeah. Oh yeah, yeah, No, that 548 00:44:22,239 --> 00:44:27,079 I just I don't know. Fifty five degrees for you guys, that's that's 549 00:44:27,440 --> 00:44:30,920 wow. Yeah. And speaking of warm weather, I'm going to be I'm 550 00:44:30,920 --> 00:44:34,000 going to be on the road the next couple of weeks. This is for 551 00:44:34,000 --> 00:44:37,719 the listeners, So I will be doing the show from hotel rooms for the 552 00:44:37,719 --> 00:44:40,639 next couple of weeks, and I won't have all my audio and up to 553 00:44:40,719 --> 00:44:45,880 snuff. It'll be it'll be pretty good. So so Sam, we we 554 00:44:45,960 --> 00:44:51,360 get about well, we're closing in on like thirty forty seconds here, and 555 00:44:51,519 --> 00:44:54,920 uh so good. Um, this is the only break that we're going to 556 00:44:54,960 --> 00:45:00,519 be taking. Um yeah, we got about a minute and left. And 557 00:45:00,559 --> 00:45:06,440 so we actually met in person a couple of times this last summer when I 558 00:45:06,480 --> 00:45:08,840 was in Chicago, which I do go to Chicago quite a bit. But 559 00:45:09,159 --> 00:45:12,719 it was great when we were out in the warm weather out in Phoenix, 560 00:45:13,239 --> 00:45:16,199 and that was lovely to be out there in February a few years ago when 561 00:45:16,239 --> 00:45:21,079 you were there. We had a blast. It wasn't it fun? A 562 00:45:21,199 --> 00:45:24,599 great time, great time, all right. I think we are just about 563 00:45:24,599 --> 00:45:30,280 ready to go back here in a minute. Oh we still got forty seconds 564 00:45:30,360 --> 00:45:37,000 left. And so as far as the area out there, when you are 565 00:45:37,280 --> 00:45:43,400 working with Mouffon, are you are you still taking cases to this day? 566 00:45:45,280 --> 00:45:47,000 Oh yeah, I mean, as a general rule of state direct if it's 567 00:45:47,000 --> 00:45:51,559 not supposed to take any sort of cases, but I end up taking some 568 00:45:51,960 --> 00:45:55,519 the other highly sensitive ones that you know, you really got to watch what 569 00:45:55,559 --> 00:46:00,760 you're saying and doing. I handle those or work and can junction with my 570 00:46:00,920 --> 00:46:06,840 assistant director usually it's it's usually the two of us, and we've had some 571 00:46:06,960 --> 00:46:12,239 great cases. I'll talk about one in particular when I get a chance and 572 00:46:12,719 --> 00:46:15,199 give you a little more detail about it. I think I mentioned it. 573 00:46:15,280 --> 00:46:19,679 Then we had two more interesting ones. Did type things. We're gonna have 574 00:46:19,679 --> 00:46:25,119 to roll right back into the show. Yeah, we're ready, Sure you 575 00:46:25,159 --> 00:46:35,320 can count down. All right, Okay, welcome back to the show. 576 00:46:35,480 --> 00:46:40,159 My guest is Sam Moronto, and we are talking UFOs out in the Chicago 577 00:46:40,239 --> 00:46:45,119 area. We took a jag and we're talking about what happens on the editing 578 00:46:45,159 --> 00:46:52,719 floor when when people talk about UFOs, I think that's pretty funny. They 579 00:46:52,800 --> 00:46:59,320 left the extraterresto word in there, and uh uh yeah, and I understand 580 00:46:59,400 --> 00:47:02,280 it. It's one you want to avoid at all costs because you know, 581 00:47:04,199 --> 00:47:07,480 it is what a lot of people assume. But you know, and I 582 00:47:07,519 --> 00:47:13,320 know, no one really really knows. It's it's just a guess, one 583 00:47:13,360 --> 00:47:16,880 of the guesses. That's all. Yeah, And that's fine because that's what 584 00:47:17,000 --> 00:47:22,000 science wants. We're not looking for proof and science proof is in law and 585 00:47:22,039 --> 00:47:27,719 alcohol and math. What we're looking for is a decent set of hypotheses that 586 00:47:27,760 --> 00:47:30,800 could probably move up to a theory and then you know that's good, you 587 00:47:30,840 --> 00:47:34,000 know, and they could take it from there. And to do that you 588 00:47:34,079 --> 00:47:39,440 need evidence, and most of what we get are anecdotal accounts. That's why 589 00:47:39,480 --> 00:47:44,840 my math sightings are so wonderful. It's not just one person's word, it's 590 00:47:44,880 --> 00:47:52,079 another person, hopefully independent and from another perspective, saying the same thing simultaneously, 591 00:47:52,280 --> 00:47:57,400 relatively close in time, and we get tie all together and get you 592 00:47:57,519 --> 00:48:04,079 get some supportive evidence. Now when you have a photograph, a video, 593 00:48:04,280 --> 00:48:07,880 or if you're bless but something is wonderful physical trace evidence and this is something 594 00:48:07,920 --> 00:48:13,320 a lot of people don't understand. There are thousands of cases of physical trace 595 00:48:13,400 --> 00:48:17,519 evidence. We had a case in southern Illinois that we did collect. Hopefully 596 00:48:17,800 --> 00:48:22,519 something turns out of it, you know, turns up good, but there 597 00:48:22,519 --> 00:48:28,119 are samples taken and we may have may have physical trace evidence. So these 598 00:48:28,159 --> 00:48:31,320 things do take place. The notion that you know, we need the ashtray 599 00:48:31,440 --> 00:48:37,960 that Nels always looking for. You don't need an astray maybe if you know, 600 00:48:37,079 --> 00:48:42,440 if that's what he wants, but that's not scientific. What we need 601 00:48:42,519 --> 00:48:51,000 is evidence, and we need to evolve the anecdote by using non a better 602 00:48:51,039 --> 00:48:58,360 way of assessing, and a better metrics and less arbitrary and an ambiguous evaluation 603 00:48:58,440 --> 00:49:04,440 and terminology so people can understand regardless who it is that's looking at the information 604 00:49:04,719 --> 00:49:07,559 to take the data points, take all that, put it together and guess 605 00:49:07,639 --> 00:49:13,639 what you have something of value. But you know, we're getting there, 606 00:49:13,760 --> 00:49:17,159 and it's slow, but it takes with that first step, even if it's 607 00:49:17,159 --> 00:49:23,840 been fifty years, it doesn't matter or seventy years. We're trying and being 608 00:49:23,920 --> 00:49:32,480 the always referred to as you know, pseudo scientific. It all starts at 609 00:49:32,559 --> 00:49:38,079 pseudo before it becomes legitimized. And it's all the way. It's actually you 610 00:49:38,079 --> 00:49:44,840 know, everything stands with an idea. You know, it's always hypocrisy. 611 00:49:45,840 --> 00:49:50,360 Yes, And then they're saying, oh, speculation, Speculation is the first 612 00:49:50,400 --> 00:49:54,280 step in science. You have to speculate and you try to go outside your 613 00:49:54,280 --> 00:49:59,760 comfort zone. You test that all of theirs so many failures. Yes, 614 00:50:00,360 --> 00:50:05,480 you're going to have the failures. You learn from the failures. And so 615 00:50:05,599 --> 00:50:08,599 many of these things the so called skeptics bring up and they're not being skeptical 616 00:50:08,679 --> 00:50:13,800 or not being scientific. Some of them are very good. And the other 617 00:50:13,840 --> 00:50:16,559 thing is you should listen to them regardless, because there's always something, a 618 00:50:16,639 --> 00:50:21,559 nugget of something in there that you can learn from. I don't discount these 619 00:50:21,599 --> 00:50:25,760 people at all, as you know, but in the same token, you 620 00:50:25,880 --> 00:50:30,880 really want to give people a pet on the back that are at least trying 621 00:50:30,960 --> 00:50:36,519 to bring this information forward. It's never going to be perfect, eckwardous human, 622 00:50:36,840 --> 00:50:39,039 but we're trying, you know what I mean, We're trying. Yeah, 623 00:50:39,119 --> 00:50:45,079 yeah, that's right, that's right. I'm promised to everyone that we 624 00:50:45,119 --> 00:50:49,960 would talk about the O'Hair case. I know you and I have spoken briefly 625 00:50:50,039 --> 00:50:55,199 in the past about it, but I still think it's a it's an interesting 626 00:50:55,239 --> 00:50:59,880 case, and I don't think it's what you would call a closed case, 627 00:51:00,199 --> 00:51:07,000 because eventually people may start talking, we may get more information about that. 628 00:51:07,159 --> 00:51:13,440 You're a hundred percent correct, especially people retire or they leave the airline business. 629 00:51:15,719 --> 00:51:19,599 But why don't you for the person that's not familiar with that. I 630 00:51:19,679 --> 00:51:22,719 know it was I think it was two thousand and six, same year I 631 00:51:22,840 --> 00:51:30,280 had sighting. Yeah, that was November the seven, two thousand and six, 632 00:51:30,760 --> 00:51:36,880 after four o'clock from or fifteen by Gate C seventeen. It was right 633 00:51:36,920 --> 00:51:44,079 above gates seventeen and a couple of individuals were loading up a planet was going 634 00:51:44,119 --> 00:51:45,760 to be pushed back and going out too. It was going to North Carolina. 635 00:51:45,800 --> 00:51:52,280 At that time, they seen something below the ceiling clouds and it was 636 00:51:52,320 --> 00:51:55,519 sitting there and nothing should be sitting there. It was odd, you know, 637 00:51:55,599 --> 00:52:00,199 here's this strange object just sitting there. It's class beers. Nothing should 638 00:52:00,239 --> 00:52:05,400 be in there without a transponder. So mind you, this is just a 639 00:52:05,840 --> 00:52:09,679 X number of years. But five years after nine to eleven, people are 640 00:52:09,800 --> 00:52:17,039 very concerned about anything like that, any violation of infringement on uh, you 641 00:52:17,079 --> 00:52:23,760 know, on airspace or something like that. So they called their manager because 642 00:52:23,880 --> 00:52:28,079 they wanted to file a safety report. Naron, You're like, what is 643 00:52:28,119 --> 00:52:30,599 this? They wanted to take a look at it, Pilot, Copilot, 644 00:52:30,599 --> 00:52:36,079 we're also taking a peek at it. They saw it, The manager came 645 00:52:36,119 --> 00:52:38,880 down, sure enough, comes out there and there it was well before you 646 00:52:38,960 --> 00:52:45,920 know it, it's it's being talked about on the radio throughout the airport, 647 00:52:46,400 --> 00:52:53,079 and personnel regardless of their taxing you know, seven forty sevens or whatever, 648 00:52:54,400 --> 00:53:00,000 they're seeing it. And there was one there was a group of people, 649 00:53:00,719 --> 00:53:07,800 two guys taxing seven seven seven, a trip to seven and they saw it, 650 00:53:07,039 --> 00:53:12,119 and they listened to other people talking and in fact, this guy you 651 00:53:12,119 --> 00:53:15,880 could hear his If you go to YouTube, you get a bunch of stuff 652 00:53:15,920 --> 00:53:22,960 on the O'Hair sighting. And the thing about the O'Hair case is why they 653 00:53:22,960 --> 00:53:25,719 had to keep it quiet. So many people this is a mass sighting too, 654 00:53:27,440 --> 00:53:30,840 but they had to keep it quiet because February of that year they had 655 00:53:30,159 --> 00:53:37,599 America UL just came out of bankruptcy that here, So they may not want 656 00:53:37,599 --> 00:53:43,320 to have been known as being the extraterrestful airlines. That's a possibility. Wow. 657 00:53:43,440 --> 00:53:46,679 The other thing is, isn't that crazy? It was the largest bankruptcy 658 00:53:46,679 --> 00:53:52,119 at that time. You had mentioned that. Well, now that people are 659 00:53:52,159 --> 00:53:55,679 starting to retire, they may be coming forward. Had that happened. I 660 00:53:55,760 --> 00:54:01,239 was giving a talk at some group up north and guy says, you know, 661 00:54:01,280 --> 00:54:05,199 I want to talk to you afterwards. Okay, So he goes. 662 00:54:05,679 --> 00:54:09,679 I used to work as a manager. He had a very good position and 663 00:54:10,239 --> 00:54:15,840 he was working that day, but where he was working at would not allow 664 00:54:15,920 --> 00:54:19,760 him to see what was going on. But he heard all the chatter and 665 00:54:19,800 --> 00:54:29,119 the radio and the end result is he goes and he goes and tells me 666 00:54:29,199 --> 00:54:32,719 that he was talking to his friend who was in the be concourse, and 667 00:54:32,800 --> 00:54:37,719 he was telling him what was going on, describing exactly what he's seeing, 668 00:54:38,000 --> 00:54:44,360 and without so much as a doubt this was there. It was an object. 669 00:54:44,639 --> 00:54:47,079 It was below the ceiling of cloud, which was about nineteen hundred feet 670 00:54:47,079 --> 00:54:52,360 at that time, and it was at about fifteen fourteen, fifteen hundred feet. 671 00:54:52,800 --> 00:54:55,519 It was summers between no less than thirty feet to as big as eighty 672 00:54:55,559 --> 00:55:01,559 eight feet is what they're figuring out as far as the the NARCAP report, 673 00:55:01,320 --> 00:55:06,559 and that is a good read if you want to get some information no more 674 00:55:06,599 --> 00:55:10,079 about the case, good to NARCAP dot org. Look up the technical paper 675 00:55:10,199 --> 00:55:15,840 number ten and read through it and you'll hear the data in there. You 676 00:55:15,920 --> 00:55:22,079 get this nonsense people saying it's a lenticular cloud, and lenticular clouds only form 677 00:55:22,119 --> 00:55:27,320 on the leeward side of a mountain of a mountain. Yes, you've seen 678 00:55:27,360 --> 00:55:34,719 them, and they're beautiful and nothing like that whatsoever was going on. The 679 00:55:34,760 --> 00:55:38,599 Other thing is the weather to support something like that. Wichita, Kansas would 680 00:55:38,599 --> 00:55:44,239 have been the closest place have anything resembling the type of winds that you would 681 00:55:44,320 --> 00:55:49,440 have to have to have lenticular clouds, because you can get them at times 682 00:55:50,119 --> 00:55:52,719 in the Midwest. Here we get them, but they're very rare better it's 683 00:55:52,760 --> 00:55:59,280 usually at the leeward side of a mountain. So that was a bunch of 684 00:55:59,320 --> 00:56:02,599 malarchity. Other thing is the object shoots while they're watching it, and they're 685 00:56:02,599 --> 00:56:07,119 watching it for about twenty minutes. This thing just goes straight up in the 686 00:56:07,159 --> 00:56:12,880 air real fast, in a blink, leaves a gaping blue hole all the 687 00:56:12,920 --> 00:56:21,000 way through the approximately six thousand feet of cloud ceiling boom instantly. Well, 688 00:56:21,480 --> 00:56:25,920 it can't do that instantly with a lenticular cloud. They don't do that. 689 00:56:27,360 --> 00:56:30,119 I never heard of anything like that. Then you have people saying, well, 690 00:56:30,159 --> 00:56:35,559 it's just ice crystals that formulate and drop down. And I've seen that 691 00:56:35,760 --> 00:56:40,760 at least twice. One time was on fifty five. I'm driving along and 692 00:56:40,880 --> 00:56:47,199 here you see this burst of obviously something coming out of the clouds, and 693 00:56:47,320 --> 00:56:52,239 you see this round blue hole. Well, first of all, you see 694 00:56:52,280 --> 00:56:57,599 this falling out. You'll see it looking like, oh, looking like very 695 00:56:57,679 --> 00:57:04,360 feathery looking fan out crystals of ice almost like snow that heavier, and it'll 696 00:57:04,400 --> 00:57:07,960 punch a hole and that's what You have a vortex of cold air spinning above 697 00:57:08,360 --> 00:57:17,039 and that area just gets the humidity up there, becomes crystals, it falls, 698 00:57:17,119 --> 00:57:21,480 you can't hold itself no longer and it falls straight through. And that 699 00:57:21,599 --> 00:57:24,800 makes sense. But the bottom line, that wasn't what happened. We had 700 00:57:24,960 --> 00:57:30,559 the top of this or the coldest area was that could formulate that was about 701 00:57:30,559 --> 00:57:35,159 ten thousand feet. These aren't about the highest level of those. That ceiling 702 00:57:35,239 --> 00:57:39,159 was about six thousand feet, maybe even less. So none of this took 703 00:57:39,159 --> 00:57:43,920 place. And they were saying, well, it's the lights reflecting up now 704 00:57:44,320 --> 00:57:45,719 it was, and I believe it was civilian it was, Yeah, it 705 00:57:45,760 --> 00:57:52,880 was civilian twilight, So I mean, no, no, it wasn't it. 706 00:57:52,119 --> 00:57:57,480 Some lights were on, but not everything and they weren't reflecting up that 707 00:57:57,599 --> 00:58:02,480 heavily. So that's all nonsense. Now did they they? Something? I 708 00:58:02,559 --> 00:58:07,199 think I heard it described as it was almost like a black in color who 709 00:58:07,280 --> 00:58:12,360 was very dark? Am I getting that right? And in perfectly circular? 710 00:58:14,239 --> 00:58:17,519 It was okay, picture this. The ratio was two point seven to one 711 00:58:19,039 --> 00:58:22,519 as far as the width see the length they were used in a ratio of 712 00:58:22,599 --> 00:58:27,639 two point seven to one, so it was, you know, like the 713 00:58:27,719 --> 00:58:32,400 tic tac concept of a fat football, something along that line, but it 714 00:58:32,440 --> 00:58:38,280 was more eliptical and round as far as in the center. So it was, 715 00:58:39,760 --> 00:58:45,000 and it was moving in a counterclockwise direction. My first witness that I 716 00:58:45,039 --> 00:58:51,199 spoke to was a military brat who grew up on the East Coast. Her 717 00:58:51,199 --> 00:58:58,760 father was a commander of a it's captain of a air wing for the Navy. 718 00:58:59,000 --> 00:59:04,719 She knew every proper term to describe things, so when she was analyzing 719 00:59:04,719 --> 00:59:08,559 it, she was analyzing it with a really high degree of scrutiny. And 720 00:59:08,639 --> 00:59:13,920 the other thing was she was also an ex reporter, so she knew how 721 00:59:13,960 --> 00:59:19,480 to compile this information and explain it to us. Now, which is great. 722 00:59:19,639 --> 00:59:25,039 Where where did she actually view the object? From two vantage points? 723 00:59:25,039 --> 00:59:30,039 Coming in on Mannheim Road towards the airport, she was able to discern it 724 00:59:30,280 --> 00:59:34,480 below the clouds with her as a passenger was in front of hers was a 725 00:59:34,559 --> 00:59:38,039 doctor from Bulk area and they're in the process of meeting a friend who was 726 00:59:38,280 --> 00:59:45,599 a airline pilot from another airline's coming in at the international concourse. So they're 727 00:59:45,679 --> 00:59:47,920 driving in. Both of them see this and they're like, what on earth 728 00:59:49,079 --> 00:59:52,719 is that that's not supposed to be there. So they pulled up to the 729 00:59:52,719 --> 00:59:58,639 International Concourse. She got out and took her reading glasses bentimta angle so she 730 00:59:58,679 --> 01:00:01,760 could see it better, trying to get her view as best as possible. 731 01:00:01,960 --> 01:00:06,800 And she said, while she was pulling up, other people were out there, 732 01:00:06,800 --> 01:00:09,199 and then they were starting to congregate, pointing at it, and people 733 01:00:09,239 --> 01:00:17,000 were taking photographs definitely and possibly even video definitely. So she was there. 734 01:00:17,119 --> 01:00:22,039 And then she says, when this thing shot through the sky or through clouds, 735 01:00:22,079 --> 01:00:25,599 excuse me that that you could have heard them, heard the noise that 736 01:00:25,760 --> 01:00:30,440 they had, like squealed, they gasped, they were alarmed at it. 737 01:00:31,480 --> 01:00:36,599 At the motion that it was was so instantaneous. All right, everyone, 738 01:00:36,679 --> 01:00:38,559 That is it for the free part of the show. Thank you so much 739 01:00:38,599 --> 01:00:44,280 for listening, and if you'd like to support the show. In here our 740 01:00:44,480 --> 01:00:51,639 two. It gets really interesting when he talks about a recent sighting where witnesses 741 01:00:51,679 --> 01:00:57,159 more than one to see a craft with actually what appeared to be windows and 742 01:00:57,239 --> 01:01:02,719 appeared to be some type of energy's inside that we're seen again by multiple witnesses. 743 01:01:04,119 --> 01:01:07,719 And by the way, if you can't help out and support the show 744 01:01:08,159 --> 01:01:13,039 and you want to listen to the full show, you can listen live that's 745 01:01:13,119 --> 01:01:16,719 during the show on Tuesdays at six to eight pm Eastern Standard time. That's 746 01:01:16,760 --> 01:01:22,280 both on YouTube and you can see that right on podcast UFO as well and 747 01:01:22,480 --> 01:01:27,039 kg R A radio. You can also listen over at the Dark Matter Digital 748 01:01:27,079 --> 01:01:31,840 Network on Thursday evenings to full shows, and anybody can go to the YouTube 749 01:01:31,920 --> 01:01:38,880 channel and actually watch and listen to a full show over there as well. 750 01:01:39,400 --> 01:01:43,880 So I want to thank everyone, as I said, for listening, and 751 01:01:43,920 --> 01:01:47,800 I also want to thank for Alejandro for picking things up when actually my computer 752 01:01:47,960 --> 01:01:52,320 crashed during this live show and he helped out a lot, and everyone else 753 01:01:52,480 --> 01:01:58,199 helps out with the show. And we'll be back next week with Chad Lewis, 754 01:01:59,320 --> 01:02:04,119 UFO and Instigator should be in another interesting one. And remember everyone to 755 01:02:04,199 --> 01:02:17,440 keep your eyes to the sky.