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not for me. A concern for
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as it stands, well, why
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is beyond me? But also because
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under under what is effectively a marshmalist
sociatarianism. Welcome to London Calling with me

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James Delingpot and my very good friend
mister Toby Young. How you doing,

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Tame, I'm good, James,
how are you well? I'm I'm buzzing.

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Um. The only thing I want
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is my day hunting. Right.
This was the special day that this

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was the special day that I have
been absolutely bricking it over ever since I

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was given the offer. Because these
are these are London calling calling listeners who

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happened also happened also to hunt,
and they had me on their podcast,

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which is great by the way,
and I'm going to put a link to

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to where you can find the podcast
on the on the on the Ricochet site.

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Um and yeah, as as a
special treat, they gave me a

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day's hunting. Now, I have
a confession to make. I didn't,

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in the end go for the second
horse because I just thought I was in

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the saddle for four and a half
hours. I think that's enough if you're

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a you know, an elderly gentleman
like me. So if you get a

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second horse, does that mean you
can you're expected to go for like nine

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hours? Yeah, you probably hunt
chill till the sun goes down. So

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yeah, you you can't walk at
that point. I mean I can barely

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walk now. So so heaven knows
what it had been like had I had

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another three hours, say it could
have been, well, I would I

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would say it's it's in I don't
want to specify, but it was in

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very good hunt country with lots and
lots of stone walls, right, um,

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which which which are quite which are
quite interesting and challenging because you think,

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well, I don't want to clip
the top of the wall. I

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don't want to. I don't want
to come a cropper because because stone walls

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are pretty solid. But you managed
to stay on, did he? It

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was very exciting. I mean I
had I had a I had a a

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jolly fine horse, Spartacus, who
I've I've ridden before. And he's he's

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um. He's what's known as a
schoolmaster, so's he's been around the block.

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He's been hunting so many times that
he knows far better than you do

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how to play the game. And
the thing was, it was a very

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um Saturday is a very popular days
and the field was one hundred and twenty

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people. So that's the field of
the people who followed the hunt on horseback.

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And if you imagine that some of
the fences and the rails and hedges

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and things, they only have spaces
big enough for maybe maximum two horses to

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jump at the same time, you
can see you can imagine how how congested

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it gets because so the people following
the hunt, they're not the same as

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the hunt month so they know that
there's the there's the huntsman and the whippers

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in who who are essentially the hunt. And then everyone else is just a

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spectator, and they are called the
field. And there was a man called

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the field. What were you?
I'm just I was I was part of

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the field. I was with the
field master. The field master is the

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man or woman whose job it is
to keep the field back from from the

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hunt that they didn't get in the
way, but also to decide the line

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that they will take over the country
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up. So what's the equident in
shooting if you're in the field, I

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mean, you're not one of the
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but you know, it doesn't doesn't
it doesn't doesn't quite work like that.

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I don't think there's really a sort
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um what it meant was that you
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at the at your obstacles. So
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couldn't rely on the horse's speed to
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the thing. So what you ended
up doing you needed a horse that can

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Somebody somebody came up with a good
phrase. It's called trott and pop.

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So so basically you need a horse
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and just do almost a standing standing
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It was. It was great,
I mean it was. It was really

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exciting. We did about about thirty
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the most exciting bit, was when
the fieldmaster said to me, right,

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you're going to lead the hunt over
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I said what I said? Yeah, I said, is it a scary

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one? Is it? Nor?
It's just just just just some rails.

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And he wasn't. He wasn't lying. It was just some rails. And

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so I led one hundred and twenty
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you imagine the pressure um and if
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let's say, let's suppose you jump
the rails. But yeah, your horses

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leg back legs get caught, you
take a tumble. Do you then have

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kind of like one hundred and ninety
nine horses or whatever it is coming behind

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you. You have to kind of
rigular when you you well, you would,

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I mean you look like a complete
dick because because you shouldn't you should

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never overtake the field master. I
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trampled trampled on because horses are quite good

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at not not treading on people because
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Right, So but yeah, you
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dick if if if you were you, you took it upon yourself to lead

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the hunt and you bogged it.
Yeah right, okay, okay, you

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didn't disgrace yourself. You got over
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Yeah, yeah, it was it
was good. Did did did you?

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Did you catch a fox? I
didn't you? I mean you you don't

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see him. I didn't see one
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And anyway, you're you're you're you're
following trails. So um yeah, and

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that doesn't matter. It's not like
going on a shoot which you don't end

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up shooting anything. Um, it's
totally it totally doesn't matter as long as

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you get a good run, as
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hounds are running, because when hounds
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anything goes. So for example,
there's a rule where there are unspoken rules

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which we're supposed to there's an etiquette
where if if hounds aren't running. You're

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not supposed to jump anything stupid or
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stone walls around there, there are
the ones with dressing on top, with

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the sticking up stones. You're never
supposed to jump unless hounds are running,

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in which case anything goes. Um. Hands are running. That means they've

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got the scent of a fox.
That means they've they've they've they've found a

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scent. Um and um so um. Then then it gets it gets quite

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hairy because because you just like I
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jumps on and off the road.
So you say you you'd you'd go over

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one stone wall onto the road and
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and some of them have drops,
and some of them happens. It's

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just like you need you need plenty
of Dutch courage to be able to deal

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with this stuff. Um. But
and then and then you then you replay

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every jump back in your head or
just over and over again. It's it's

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it's an hallucinatory experience. It sounds
hard. I must try it one day.

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And someone once said to me,
do you want to follow on a

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quad bike? But how do you
go over the fences, shot a quad

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bike. Well, I'm sure you'd
have a good time on the quad bike,

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but you wouldn't be able to jump
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best bit. Well, somebody,
somebody had had quoted me apparently saying,

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um that that it's not hunting unless
you're jumping. And they'd quoted this that

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a huntsman, and the huntsman had
been very sniffy about it. But she

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said, you're absolutely right. Oh
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this was a random Team James person
that I discovered on the hunt. Like,

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I offered my um my hip flask
to the to the woman next to

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me, and you know, she
she had something. We got talking.

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She said are you James Dellingpole?
And I said, yeah, wow,

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Tom, Tom quickly this is James
Delingpole. So so I had at least

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two. I expect most of them
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But but but I did definitely her
name was Nicky, and and I'm

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sure that my hosts were were Team
James, but probably everyone else if if

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you tested their their politics, they
were probably Team Tabs, right right,

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Well, they sound like a sensible
bunch. Um, So I haven't had

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nearly such an exciting weekend, James. So, Um, Caroline has gone

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to Barbados for two weeks on a
freebeeum and I say freebe she had to

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pay for the flight. But her
best buddy gets to go to a really

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nice, luxurious resort in Barbados for
two weeks each year, and in return

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has to be available to play tennis
with and coach the residents and the other

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guests. And we should we should
have learned tennis tabes. I never mind

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all the rubbish. We learned much
better off. Yeah she's quite good,

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isn't she. She's quite good now. Yeah, she's in the ladies first

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team at the local leisure club,
David Lloyd. But anyway, so this

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friend of hers, who's a tennis
coach at the head of tennis at the

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local David Lloyd, invited her to
accompany her. So she has to kind

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of, you know, play tennis
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a day. But apart from that, it's just lounging by the pool drinking

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cocktails. You are so much I
know that I'm now at the top of

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a Brownie Point mountain. Yeah,
I'll be gazing down on Caroline with any

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number of models in return for that
that self sacrifice. Well, it does

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mean I'm having to play mother while
she's a wild A lot of cooking and

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cleaning and dog walking this weekend.
It's a sort of taste of what it

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must be like to be, you
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or a woman, even woman.
Yeah, it's not something you choose at

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anything. No, well, I
think I think it's it's it's not that

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I never do any of these things
before. Um, you know, in

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the normal course of events. It's
just in the normal course of events.

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You know, she probably does the
lion share, but they're shared. Whereas

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when it's just you having to cook
and clean and do the washing and walk

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the dog and help with the droms
homework and make sure they get to school

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on time. It's pretty exhausting.
It's pretty exhausting to do that and do

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everything else. Yeah, you know, run the Daily Skeptic and the Free

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Speech Union and write my spectator callum, and I'm off to Brighton this evening

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to talk at a free speech Union
regional Speechasy and I've got I've got to

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give free speeches this week in fact, So who's looking. Oh they'll be

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they'll be looking after themselves while I'm
in Brighton. But they're able to do

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that. I mean, the whole
movies have been based on that premise.

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I mean, I hope it won't
be home alone. Yeah, if I

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was going away for the weekend,
I would be worried about, Yeah,

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animal house, a Facebook party of
some kind. But yeah, I don't

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think they'll do that just because I'm
away from one evening. Plus my eldest

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son who's seventeen, has got his
A levels coming up, and my second

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eldest he's fifteen as good as GCS
is coming up. So they're not quite

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so irresponsible that they have a massive
party on the eve of these important exams

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now exactly. Yeah, that's not
anyway. So yeah, I'm I'm sort

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of a bit. I'm a bit
knackered at the moment. I had to

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get up at seven thirty today to
weight them all up, and then I

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was just not not my usual Emma. I can tell you we should probably

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have our first ad, James,
and I think it's you, or rather

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second, our second ad. We
absolutely should. If you're responsible for a

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if you've been following this the aftermath
of William Shawcross's Prevent review, but it

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makes for simultaneously hair raising and comical
reading. Douglas Murray wrote about it in

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The Spectator this week. But essentially
Prevent, which was originally set up to

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counter domestic terrorism and to prevent young
Muslim men from being radicalized by Islami's groups,

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has departed quite far from that original
purpose, and it's now the main

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preoccupation of the program and its personnel
is to prevent people being radicalized by the

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far right. Even though right wing
domestic terrorists account for less than twenty five

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percent of terrorist incidents and Islamist domestic
terrorists over seventy five over seventy five percent,

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Prevents activity is focused on far right
terrorism. And about twenty five percent

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on Islamist terrorism. So they've got
their priorities absolutely back to front. But

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the list of gateway drugs which can
supposedly turn ordinary conservatives into froffing at the

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mouth far right terrorists is absolutely breathtaking. So one of them was Douglas Murray's

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book I Think about the Death of
Europe, which was a Sunday Time is

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best seller but in and that's why
he wrote about it, and he's pretty

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cross about it. So why is
he cross? Come on, it's a

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badge of honor too. I mean, I'd always think that this report was

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espressly to promote his book. It
certainly. I mean, I think I

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suppose cross about something like that,
I use really well because all your all

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your followers are going to be saying, yeah, I'm so, I'm so

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out there and radical. I'm I'm
more dangerous than a than an Islamic terrorist

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like me, I'm so edgy.
Well, ipose I suppose that if it

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is you know, it's taxpayers money
that I mean you kind of think,

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well, why aren't they actually focusing
on protecting us from people who might actually,

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you know, detonate suicide bombs in
crowded arenas. Why are they squandering

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these taxpayer funded resources on monitoring people
who reading books by Douglas Murren. And

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it's not just Douglas Murray. It's
okay. The TV programs okay, which

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are warning signs? Are yes,
Minister, the thick of it Um films

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include like the these are these are
these are these are? If you watch

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these films, you're on the cusp
of becoming a right wing terrorist. The

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Damn Busters m Zoo because of the
name of the dog, isn't it's dog

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that's problem? Yeah, could be
Guy Gibson's dog. Yeah. But but

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but other books apart from you know, The Strange Death of Liberal Europe whatever

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it's called, The Lord of the
Rings, Order Sucksy's Brave New World,

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The Secret Agent by Joseph Conrad or
Wells nineteen eighty four, The poems of

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G. K. Chesterton, This
one flummx me, the Bridge on the

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River Quie Why is that a kind
of why is that a kind of totem

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of He became a collaborator, didn't
he? So I didn't see how Alec

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Ginness essentially went bonkers, Yeah,
and wanted to the Japanese build their bridge

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because he was proud of his achievement
at the end. Yeah, yeah,

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yeah, but that's when you think
about it, actually, that is it

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promoted. It's not promoting collaboration with
authoritarian regimes, though, is it.

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Maybe it makes because it involves in
it. I know. Maybe it's because

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you know, the British, you
know, the American you know, special

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Forces operative played by William Holden ends
up blowing up the bridge, and maybe

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it's like thought to be it could
be a justification for terrorism because you know,

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in the end he kind of disrupts
the Japanese infrastructure by blowing up the

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bridge in spite. I don't buy
by the way, that anyone reads Conrad

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these days. Whoever whoever put this
this this list together, was they'd heard

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of this book title The Secret Agent, and just thought yeah, and they'd

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heard it was about you know what
terrorists in about terrorists and stuff. The

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tournament. Maybe, I mean he's
almost he's almost unreadable. I mean he's

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quite heavy going. I'd say extremist
Watch Apocalypse now, then then thought so,

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yea rather than the hard dogs is
quite sure. I remember enjoying it

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when I was a teenager. You
didn't know what the movie or no,

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no, the book. He no, you didn't enjoy it? I did.

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I did enjoy Wow. It's hard
to tell, isn't it when you're

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that young. But yeah, Nostromo
as well. Anyway, you'd have thought

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the n word of the Narcissus would
be a book that they would have flagged

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up as a totem of right wing, far right extremism. We've done,

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by the way, on this subject, we've done Roald Dahal. Oh,

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no, let's go on, Let's
come on to roy I mean, I

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look, as you know, I
don't really have much truck with with stories

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that go in the newspapers. But
I just think, but my question,

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well, I suppose you would explain
what's happened to Royal Dhale. First of

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all, haven't you yes, so
um so puffin, which is the kind

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of junior I've also eaten a puffin, yeah, in Iceland. But Puffin

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is the kind of junior branch of
the children's wing of penguin Um, and

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they recently brought out new editions.
I think of the collected works of Roald

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dahl In which which have been which
have been changed by sensitivity readers to make

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them less offensive and to bring them
up to date with modern sensibilities and modern

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sensibilities alleged modern sensibilities. Yeah,
and it's pretty extraordinary the extent of the

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boldlyrization. Um. So, I'm
going to give you a couple of examples.

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So U one was Yeah. In
The Witches, one of the characters

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is described as even if she is
working as a so you can be a

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witch. Even if she is working
as a cashier and a supermarket or typing

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letters for a businessman. That's been
changed too, even if she is working

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as a top scientist or running a
business, because presumably they describing women as

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being likely to work as cashiers in
supermarkets or typing letters for a businessman are

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working as secretaries is demeaning and sexist, and instead we should imagine them as

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top scientists. I'm so glad you've
found those examples terms, because I'm more

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offended by those than I am of
the ones where they've removed any references to

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fat, to fatness or blackness,
even when they're describing a sort of black

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tractor or something. They've decided to
remove the cover in case anyone anyone of

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color less than anyone of color be
offended, But you're absolutely right when you've

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got something as nakedly feminists as that
all women have to have jobs as top

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scientists or running a business here,
they can't. They can't be secretaries or

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supermarket cashiers anymore or ever. Yeah
yeah, and weirdly not not only have

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all references to blackness being expunged,
but turning white has become turning quite pale.

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Yeah yeah, as though even that
could be racially triggering. Yeah yeah,

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yeah, And you're right, fat
so a fat, juicy little child

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has become a juicy little child.
And I think all references to Augustus Gloop's

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fatness have been expunged from Charlie and
the chocolate factory. It is quite extraordinary,

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isn't it the kind of degree of
license they've taken with what should be

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surely, you know, texts which
these sensitivity readers and editors at Puffin shouldn't

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really imagine they can improve upon.
Well, my immediate response was, what

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is the Roald Dahl Estate doing about
this? Because it seems to me absolutely

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wrong that we should ever be able
to change the written words of an established

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author after after he's dead. But
apparently it's the state don't hold out his

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books to is it Netflix? Oh? Is that right? Yeah, so

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that there's another and say, in
other words, nobody, nobody has got

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the role and starts the Dalla states
back because they're probably were thinking, well,

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we've we've made like bandits from this
deal, so we don't really care

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anymore, what what you know?
And they've been apologizing retrospectively for whatever to

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what granddad found mouth cantanka as granddad
or great granddad said, which I think

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he's none of their business. Really
he was, he was who he was

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and his fictional or to stay the
way it was, I think, yeah,

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I mean it. I suppose in
some respects it reflects the kind of

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the cynicism of publishers who don't don't
don't see themselves as kind of custodians of

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kind of great works of literature so
much as custodians of successful franchises. And

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you know, so their duty is
not to the books or to roll Dal's

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memory. Their their duty is to
make as much money as they possibly can

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by milking the roal Dale franchise.
Even if I don't think it's a money

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thing terms, I really don't,
because there would there would be no money,

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and I can't imagine that a single
book sale is going to be generated

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by these these changes. So it's
not they're not doing it for commercial reasons.

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They're doing it because the entirety of
the publishing industry has been captured by

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the same forces which have captured the
universities, which have captured They've, they've,

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they've, they've this is the long
march through the institutions. Well,

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yeah, no, I didn't mean. I didn't. I wasn't. I

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didn't mean that they're doing it for
commercial reasons. I meant that what they

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think of themselves as publishing now is
not the works of Roald I think exactly,

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but the product of the Roldale franchise. If there is no commercial motive,

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it's a kind of very corporate,
commodified, rather kind of unliterary way

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of regarding what publishers do. I
mean, if the books have any literary

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merit, you know, why are
you changing them? And presumably I mean

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it's as though it's not the books
that they're in the business of publishing anymore,

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it's something else. Yeah, yes, yeah, I'm sure, but

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I thought of a it's the Bodlerization, the corruption of literature. By sensitivity

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readers is now running them up.
It's out of control. And I thought

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of quite a good way to draw
attention to this in a way which isn't

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too didactic or kind of outrage,
which is what you do. Is a

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particular author reached out to me recently, quite a well known author, but

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old fashioned, you know, probably
listens to London, calling small c conservative,

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I'd say, don't know. And
he was complaining about a fight he's

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got into with his publisher over a
book that he's written and they've bought and

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they're about to publish, and on
the advice of various sensitivity readers, they're

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asking him to change various words and
passages in the text. And he's understandably

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furious about this. And he has
passed on to me some of the exchanges

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between him and his editor, and
it's it's comic goal, James. So

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his editor is trying to be as
diplomatic and as inoffensive as he possibly can

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be, trying to coax this author
into agreeing to what the editor clearly regards

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as very minor changes, and the
author is getting more and more angry and

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irascible and kind of railing at the
ignorance and insensitivity in fact, so what

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he's trying to write in the effects
he's trying to achieve of the sensitivity readers.

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And it's a fantastic exchange. And
when I read it, I just

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thought, wow, this would make
make a brilliant scene in a documentary play.

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So I've now had this idea,
which is, you create a documentary

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play, you know, a documentary
play as a play in which actors read

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words said by real people do all
the time. And yes, yeah,

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so you do. You get you
get sort of like a dozen of these

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exchanges between authors and sensitivity readers or
publishers relaying the advice of sensitivity readers,

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and you chop them up and create
a kind of wonderfully entertaining, hilariously funny,

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ninety minute documentary play which isn't beating
people about the head with why this

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is so wrong, but kind of
definitely I think that message will land kind

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of effortlessly, just partly because the
authors are obviously so much more intelligent and

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so much more erudite than the publishers
and sensitivity readers trying to change their work.

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I mean, I think it's a
great idea, and if anyone listening

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to London Calling. Has any experience
with kind of actually helping to produce or

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create documentary plays. Get in touch
Toby Young at macmac dot com. Oh

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good, well done, TEBs.
You've got another thing to do when you're

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been looking off the children and doing
the free speech union. Yeah, I'm

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not sure when when I'll because you're
because you're on the spectrum, TEBs.

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You can't help it. It's just
you're driven, you're you're like but it's

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So, James, what else is
sappening in your world? Well, I

404
00:33:22,559 --> 00:33:24,559
have to say, I'm just thinking
about the weird, weird thing that I

405
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have to tell you for Culture Corner. So we can't do that yet because

406
00:33:30,319 --> 00:33:35,119
we can't quite do that yet.
We haven't got that yet. Um what

407
00:33:35,160 --> 00:33:39,279
else? What else is we we
we we we ran a really good story

408
00:33:39,519 --> 00:33:47,160
in the Daily Skeptic on Sunday about
the global disinformation Index. So this came

409
00:33:47,240 --> 00:33:52,640
up recently because the Washington Examiner has
been running a series about the way in

410
00:33:52,720 --> 00:34:05,160
which disinformation and misinformation are weaponized now
by state funded agencies to suppress descent.

411
00:34:05,799 --> 00:34:12,400
So well, in this case,
we're talking about not state agencies but private

412
00:34:12,440 --> 00:34:17,639
companies funded by the state or part
funded by the state. So the Global

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00:34:17,800 --> 00:34:27,239
Disinformation Index is a British private company
that is funded by the US State Department

414
00:34:27,519 --> 00:34:31,960
via an intermediate body to the tune
of hundreds of thousands of dollars according to

415
00:34:32,000 --> 00:34:38,360
the Washington Examiner. And it's also
funded by the London by the Foreign Commonwealth

416
00:34:38,440 --> 00:34:45,280
and Development Office. So our own
government are our own taxpayers and people to

417
00:34:45,360 --> 00:34:50,960
the names and stuff I have,
I didn't really ring any bells with me.

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00:34:51,000 --> 00:34:54,559
They looked like kind of well,
one of them is also on the

419
00:34:54,559 --> 00:35:01,360
Atlantic Council and another has been involved
in a kind of UN campaign, so

420
00:35:01,400 --> 00:35:07,239
they're kind of, you know,
part of the kind of NGEO think tanks.

421
00:35:09,280 --> 00:35:13,800
They have one of the people on
one of the people on the advisory

422
00:35:13,800 --> 00:35:19,400
board of the of the Global Disinformation
indexes an Apple Bomb, which rather surprised

423
00:35:19,400 --> 00:35:22,719
me given that she's a regular contributor
to the Spectator. But anyway, and

424
00:35:22,760 --> 00:35:29,840
it's also the involved just it's just
I mean, I mean, no,

425
00:35:30,400 --> 00:35:32,519
anyway, let me tell you what
they've done before we get so. So,

426
00:35:32,760 --> 00:35:37,119
one of the things the Global Disinformation
Index does is it compiles lists of

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00:35:37,800 --> 00:35:46,760
publications, news publishing, news publisher
websites that it wants It wants advertisers companies

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00:35:46,760 --> 00:35:50,960
to stop advertising on. Yeah,
and it's come up with a with a

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00:35:51,000 --> 00:35:54,199
list of the ten least risky and
the ten most risky and on the ten

430
00:35:54,280 --> 00:36:00,519
most risky sites. These are sites
that it's actively working to get demon tized.

431
00:36:00,960 --> 00:36:07,400
Are the Washington Examiner, the American
Spectator, Real Clear Politics, Um,

432
00:36:07,440 --> 00:36:15,320
the Federalist. Reason, it's quite
extraordinary at the New York Post reason,

433
00:36:15,360 --> 00:36:19,559
I know, reason I'm just so
lightweight, i mean cut. And

434
00:36:19,599 --> 00:36:24,199
actually some of their stuff is just, I mean, it's the work of

435
00:36:24,239 --> 00:36:28,639
the enemy. Yeah, they purport
to be libertarians, but some of the

436
00:36:28,719 --> 00:36:32,719
causes that they represent to extremely dodgy. Well, it shows you just how

437
00:36:32,920 --> 00:36:43,760
broad the Global Disinformation Indexes definition is. Yeah, we don't know if if

438
00:36:43,760 --> 00:36:45,920
it has. In fact, it
calls this the blocklist, so we don't

439
00:36:45,960 --> 00:36:50,480
know if it's blocklisted. The Daily
skeptic, but I wouldn't be surprised.

440
00:36:50,559 --> 00:36:53,639
It's not that I am. It's
not on the ten most risky, but

441
00:36:55,360 --> 00:37:01,360
it's it's it's just on its website
it tells you how it defines disinformation and

442
00:37:01,400 --> 00:37:06,280
why it has ranked, and how
it kind of evaluates different publications, although

443
00:37:06,440 --> 00:37:08,760
needed to say it isn't totally transparent
about it, but it says that the

444
00:37:08,800 --> 00:37:16,960
bright Bart, for instance, is
responsible for disseminating disinformation because it uses the

445
00:37:17,079 --> 00:37:25,400
term illegal alien to describe what it
refers to as undocumented migrants. And it

446
00:37:25,400 --> 00:37:30,639
has a kind of section you can
find on the bright Bart search function whereby

447
00:37:30,679 --> 00:37:35,960
you can find crimes committed by illegal
aliens, and it says, even though

448
00:37:36,480 --> 00:37:42,719
there's nothing factually inaccurate about these reports, these crimes actually happened and they work

449
00:37:43,159 --> 00:37:47,519
committed by you know, if you're
not describing them euphemistically illegal aliens. Nonetheless,

450
00:37:47,760 --> 00:37:54,840
it's designed to foster what it calls
an adversarial narrative about undocumented migrants,

451
00:37:54,840 --> 00:38:00,039
and for that reason, we're classifying
it as disinformation. So it's defining it

452
00:38:00,119 --> 00:38:05,360
is essentially saying, even if what
you've reported is factually true, we're still

453
00:38:05,400 --> 00:38:10,880
going to describe it as disinformation if
we ideologically disapprove of your agenda. I

454
00:38:10,880 --> 00:38:15,000
mean, it is absolutely extraordinary.
This is the Foreign Office, James,

455
00:38:15,039 --> 00:38:19,239
it's funding this stuff. I agree, it's outrageous. Well, this is

456
00:38:19,280 --> 00:38:22,480
why I'm now essentially an anarchist.
And I don't mean in the sort of

457
00:38:22,519 --> 00:38:27,519
pejorative sense which it's which we've been
brainwashed into thinking that is the meaning of

458
00:38:27,559 --> 00:38:30,800
it. It's just that rather,
it's that I think we can all function

459
00:38:30,920 --> 00:38:38,280
much much better without the kind of
overweening state which which which behaves in this

460
00:38:39,280 --> 00:38:44,800
incredibly controlling way. I mean,
the government is not our friend. And

461
00:38:44,840 --> 00:38:49,199
the fact that it's it's it's funding
organizations like this and sort of through the

462
00:38:49,199 --> 00:38:51,960
back door in a way, isn't
it. It's all it's all kind of

463
00:38:52,599 --> 00:38:55,440
yeah, it's a bit slippery.
It's more way. Interestingly, it's it's

464
00:38:55,440 --> 00:39:00,239
more slippery in the US than it
is here. So things like Prevent and

465
00:39:00,559 --> 00:39:06,280
the Counter Disinformation Unit that was based
at DCMS and the I think it still

466
00:39:06,320 --> 00:39:10,719
is at DCMS seventy seventh Brigade.
They are all organs agencies of the state

467
00:39:10,800 --> 00:39:15,119
in the US. It's that they
do it. They tend to it at

468
00:39:15,119 --> 00:39:20,679
one one one remove in order to
avoid falling a foul of the First Amendment.

469
00:39:20,960 --> 00:39:22,920
Imagine being the kind of slime ball
who takes a job like that.

470
00:39:23,239 --> 00:39:27,519
I mean, suppose, suppose Tobes, they offered you, I don't know,

471
00:39:27,920 --> 00:39:30,639
two hundred and fifty thousand dollars a
year to become head of one of

472
00:39:30,679 --> 00:39:37,679
these you know, I don't know
the internet monitoring and correction into the tune.

473
00:39:37,880 --> 00:39:44,920
Would you would you take it?
I don't think I would frand well,

474
00:39:44,960 --> 00:39:46,599
I hope not, James, I
wouldn't do it a million. I

475
00:39:46,599 --> 00:39:51,440
don't think it's likely if I wouldn't
have ten ten million. I suddenly thought,

476
00:39:51,480 --> 00:39:54,599
Tobes, we must mention. I
feel feel guilty for not having gone,

477
00:39:54,639 --> 00:39:58,639
though, and I might have gone
had I not been riding to hounds

478
00:39:59,119 --> 00:40:06,840
the protest in Oxford at the weekend
against fifteen minutes cities, which are a

479
00:40:06,920 --> 00:40:15,599
really worrying thing, aren't they.
Yeah, the the the I think the

480
00:40:15,679 --> 00:40:20,400
mayor of Oxford who was interviewed,
I think I was sort of interviewed.

481
00:40:20,400 --> 00:40:22,880
I there was on the BBC,
I can't remember, but anyway, she

482
00:40:22,000 --> 00:40:28,400
said that I think she described them
as as traffic calming measures or measures intended

483
00:40:28,440 --> 00:40:32,840
to reduce congestion in crowded city outs, a lie which which seemed seemed to

484
00:40:32,840 --> 00:40:37,840
be putting quite a positive spin on
it. Um. But we all we

485
00:40:37,000 --> 00:40:39,840
discussed this before. Yeah, so
what what fifteen minutes cities are? What?

486
00:40:40,400 --> 00:40:49,480
The concept is that with cities will
be divided up into zones, and

487
00:40:49,559 --> 00:40:53,280
in each zone there'll be everything you
could possibly need, schools, hospitals,

488
00:40:53,400 --> 00:40:59,599
banks, pharmacies, so you'd have
no compelling reason to leave your zone.

489
00:41:00,039 --> 00:41:01,400
Sometimes they're all sat by the way, terms you know what they're called in

490
00:41:01,440 --> 00:41:08,159
Bath They call them cells c s, like prisoner cells, so they're not

491
00:41:08,199 --> 00:41:14,679
even the pretending anymore. Well,
but and and how they're going to discourage

492
00:41:14,719 --> 00:41:21,519
people from leaving their cells is that
you'll be you'll be allowed to drive from

493
00:41:21,559 --> 00:41:25,000
one cell to another for X number
of times per year, say a hundred

494
00:41:25,039 --> 00:41:30,519
times a year, in your petrol
or diesel fueled motor vehicle. I don't

495
00:41:30,519 --> 00:41:35,400
think there's a restriction if you're in
an electric car um. And if you

496
00:41:35,480 --> 00:41:42,840
exceed your allotted quota UM then you'll
you'll, you'll you'll you'll be fined a

497
00:41:42,880 --> 00:41:46,000
bit like if you enter a low
traffic neighborhood. Um, and so in

498
00:41:46,000 --> 00:41:52,920
that way they're going to try and
um, discourage people from leaving their twenty

499
00:41:52,960 --> 00:41:57,519
minute zones or their cells. If
you're in Bath, and this is and

500
00:41:58,239 --> 00:42:01,320
this is it's it's an idea which
seems to be kind of spreading. I

501
00:42:01,320 --> 00:42:05,760
don't I don't quite know where it
originates, but it's top down, it's

502
00:42:05,760 --> 00:42:09,599
free. This has been planned.
If you listen to my recent podcasts with

503
00:42:09,679 --> 00:42:16,360
somebody called Sandy Adams, she's she's
been following this story for many, many

504
00:42:16,440 --> 00:42:23,039
years, and she's found the documentation
that that this this dates back at least

505
00:42:23,440 --> 00:42:30,440
to the nineteen ninety two Rio Earth
Summit, which spawned Agenda twenty one as

506
00:42:30,480 --> 00:42:36,280
it was initially called, and also
Local Agenda twenty one, which is essentially

507
00:42:37,159 --> 00:42:42,920
the infiltration of every every local government
by by the same agenda. So so

508
00:42:43,000 --> 00:42:50,559
these these slightly thick, busybody left
leaning town councilors, they get persuaded that

509
00:42:50,599 --> 00:42:54,159
in order to save the planet,
they must follow this agenda and they move

510
00:42:54,199 --> 00:43:00,119
in lockstep around the world. This
this is being rolled out in everywhere from

511
00:43:00,199 --> 00:43:07,239
Ghent to Toronto, to to Bath, to all these Oxford obviously Canterbury,

512
00:43:07,960 --> 00:43:10,639
all these these town councils are loving
it because they become you know, you

513
00:43:10,719 --> 00:43:15,119
two can be Hitler for a day
or well, and they also love it.

514
00:43:15,239 --> 00:43:19,519
They also love it because when when
you know, they make a huge

515
00:43:19,519 --> 00:43:23,280
they stand to make a huge amount
of money from finding drivers who either aren't

516
00:43:23,320 --> 00:43:32,039
aware that they've exceeded the allotted zone
crossing quota or just prepared to pay the

517
00:43:32,039 --> 00:43:35,320
fine because I've got to get their
kids on school, or so you won

518
00:43:35,519 --> 00:43:39,199
hospital. When when is everyone going
to gonna turn Team James? Because I

519
00:43:39,239 --> 00:43:43,840
mean, the stories like this terms
must make you a bit more. Oh

520
00:43:43,840 --> 00:43:45,440
maybe I am a Team James after
all, because this this has all been

521
00:43:45,599 --> 00:43:52,360
centrally planned and this is top down
New World Order stuff. Well, there's

522
00:43:52,360 --> 00:43:55,239
a documentation to support this. I
can, I can. I can believe

523
00:43:55,360 --> 00:44:02,880
that it originated with one particular kind
of international body. But where I potome

524
00:44:04,280 --> 00:44:07,559
and I don't disbelieve that, you
know, that's also true of other liberty

525
00:44:07,679 --> 00:44:14,280
infringing policies, particularly to do with
trying to mitigate the risk of climate change.

526
00:44:14,639 --> 00:44:15,800
Where we disagree, I think is
not is not that there is a

527
00:44:15,920 --> 00:44:20,440
kind of a common route to a
lot of these ideas. I think where

528
00:44:20,440 --> 00:44:23,000
we disagree, as in the manner
in which they are rolled out and imposed.

529
00:44:23,239 --> 00:44:27,480
And I think this is probably a
good example. You don't need to

530
00:44:27,639 --> 00:44:35,079
you know, coerce in any way
or bribe these town halls or Humphreys to

531
00:44:35,199 --> 00:44:39,000
embrace this policy. Groupthink is enough. You just kind of seed the idea,

532
00:44:39,159 --> 00:44:44,360
persuade them that this is part of
their purpose, that if they do

533
00:44:44,360 --> 00:44:46,199
it, they'll be saving mankind and
if they don't, they'll be part of

534
00:44:46,199 --> 00:44:52,559
the problem. And you know,
you've got them as kind of loyal soldiers

535
00:44:52,639 --> 00:44:59,280
in your cause. It's it's groupthink
and the dissemination of particular narratives. It's

536
00:44:59,320 --> 00:45:01,119
it's it's not I don't think it
goes beyond that. I think that's where

537
00:45:01,119 --> 00:45:07,440
we part company. Oh yes,
well, obviously anyway, I'm i'm delling

538
00:45:07,480 --> 00:45:12,119
Pole, you'll be there in the
end question. But I'm i'm I'm as

539
00:45:12,280 --> 00:45:15,840
unsympathetic to fifteen minutes cities as you
are. And yes, there was a

540
00:45:15,880 --> 00:45:21,880
demonstration against the plan to impose this
policy in Oxford. I mean one of

541
00:45:21,880 --> 00:45:28,280
the one of the one of the
things about this agenda is that it's being

542
00:45:28,400 --> 00:45:32,639
rolled out, as you say,
across Scotland. England and Wales without any

543
00:45:32,880 --> 00:45:37,280
proper consent. So you know,
I don't think it was in any of

544
00:45:37,320 --> 00:45:42,360
the local manifestos of any of the
parties currently controlling these councils, although no

545
00:45:42,400 --> 00:45:46,239
one ever reads those manifestos anyway.
But they've also in some cases consulted about

546
00:45:46,239 --> 00:45:51,639
it, like in London, for
instance, Sadi Khan has consulted about expanding

547
00:45:51,679 --> 00:45:55,320
the Ulez zone, whereby you know, you'll have to pay It's like the

548
00:45:55,360 --> 00:45:59,599
congestion charge, but if you're in
the wrong type of car, you'll have

549
00:45:59,639 --> 00:46:04,000
to pay a penalty or a fine
or of charge if you enter this much

550
00:46:04,199 --> 00:46:08,480
expanded Uller's zone. And he consulted
about it, and the response to the

551
00:46:08,480 --> 00:46:14,800
consultation was overwhelmingly negative. And I
think that's also true of Oxford. I

552
00:46:14,800 --> 00:46:19,960
think the response to the consultation was
broadly negative. Nobody wants us, but

553
00:46:20,000 --> 00:46:24,039
they they imposed it anyway. Um
uh, you know, do you know

554
00:46:24,079 --> 00:46:27,760
what record record, because this is
quite a common problem. You, I

555
00:46:27,800 --> 00:46:30,599
mean, you used to be well, we both used to be very keen

556
00:46:30,679 --> 00:46:34,360
on on the Brexit. I didn't
I think it was it was all a

557
00:46:34,440 --> 00:46:37,119
con now, but but at the
time I believed in it. And you

558
00:46:37,199 --> 00:46:42,679
did as well. Um, and
we watched, didn't we as various countries

559
00:46:42,800 --> 00:46:46,159
the populace were in Ireland, they
had they had had two referenda, didn't

560
00:46:46,159 --> 00:46:52,360
they. Um, they had referendum
in quite a few countries. And regardless

561
00:46:52,519 --> 00:46:55,519
of whether whether or not they've they've
voted for um, you know, no,

562
00:46:58,400 --> 00:47:00,000
even if they voted, they wanted
to leave, they were they were

563
00:47:00,039 --> 00:47:05,599
given they were forced to stay regardless
that so their democrat will was just completely

564
00:47:05,639 --> 00:47:08,559
ignored. And this is happening all
over the place now in things like this.

565
00:47:08,719 --> 00:47:14,320
Nobody wants fifteen minutes cities, apart
from a few a few sort of

566
00:47:14,440 --> 00:47:20,199
crazed power mad local counselors that who
wanted to be given the power to make

567
00:47:20,239 --> 00:47:22,920
these decisions. And well, what
do you think, I mean? Don't

568
00:47:22,960 --> 00:47:28,920
you think democracy is now broken beyond
will pair? No? I think some

569
00:47:28,960 --> 00:47:32,000
people might be able to stand as
I mean, as independents in places like

570
00:47:32,119 --> 00:47:35,880
but what if what if these fifteen
minutes cities are up by then? I

571
00:47:35,880 --> 00:47:38,519
mean you, I think you have
far too much faith in our ability to

572
00:47:38,559 --> 00:47:43,039
change these things through the ballot box, because the damage has been done already.

573
00:47:43,440 --> 00:47:45,800
There was I'm less pessimistic about that, as you know. But there

574
00:47:45,800 --> 00:47:50,480
was quite a good suggestion I thought
in a piece by Ross Clark in the

575
00:47:50,519 --> 00:47:53,400
Sunday Telegraph might have just been online, but he was saying, look,

576
00:47:53,519 --> 00:47:59,679
here's here's a here's an open goal
for Rishi Sunac. These schemes are on

577
00:47:59,760 --> 00:48:02,960
pop pillar. It's particularly unpopular in
London. The Tories need to do something

578
00:48:04,000 --> 00:48:09,199
to revive their flagging electoral fortunes.
Why not intervene and overall these local mayors

579
00:48:09,239 --> 00:48:14,480
and town halls or Humphreys. Because
he's the placeman, is why. I

580
00:48:14,480 --> 00:48:19,599
mean, he will never intervene because
he I think they might intervene in London

581
00:48:19,679 --> 00:48:23,400
and stop the extension of the Uller's
zone. I don't see how it can

582
00:48:23,440 --> 00:48:27,639
do the Tories. But that's just
a kind of London. That's just having

583
00:48:27,639 --> 00:48:30,559
a go at the left. Why
if he's going to intervene in London,

584
00:48:30,599 --> 00:48:34,079
why is London important? But why
does why does Bath not matter? Why

585
00:48:34,119 --> 00:48:39,679
does why does Canterbury not matter?
You can't have cities great great cities turned

586
00:48:39,920 --> 00:48:45,039
into a sort of similar cram of
the Hunger Games. I mean the Hunger

587
00:48:45,079 --> 00:48:49,519
Games warned us that this was this
was the plan. Because the author of

588
00:48:49,559 --> 00:48:52,480
the Hungry Games, they came from
those kind of communities which knew about this

589
00:48:52,519 --> 00:48:58,639
stuff, because this has been planned
over decades. And like if if,

590
00:48:58,760 --> 00:49:02,639
if, if you're you're your conservative
government, not my conservative government actually cared

591
00:49:02,679 --> 00:49:07,239
about the sort of things that you
and I think a conservative government should be

592
00:49:07,320 --> 00:49:10,840
doing, but I know accept will
never do. Then surely they ought to

593
00:49:10,840 --> 00:49:15,280
be saying enough is enough, this
is insanity. We can't have our country

594
00:49:15,039 --> 00:49:17,920
ruined in this way. But they're
not because they don't give a chance well

595
00:49:19,440 --> 00:49:22,800
with it. I think I think
the argument for I'm less spessimistic than you,

596
00:49:22,840 --> 00:49:28,599
and I think the argument for central
government intervention to stop what appear to

597
00:49:28,639 --> 00:49:34,119
be pretty arbitrary and punitive taxes being
imposed on motorists, and the case is

598
00:49:34,159 --> 00:49:39,039
pretty strong. And I'm not completely
sure that they won't interview, not just

599
00:49:39,119 --> 00:49:43,800
in London but elsewhere too, and
that would, I think, you know,

600
00:49:43,920 --> 00:49:46,199
partly be for democratic reasons, because
they know they're unpopular and that doing

601
00:49:46,199 --> 00:49:52,400
this would make the government a bit
more popular. But we'll see. Maybe

602
00:49:52,400 --> 00:49:57,880
I'm being naive, Yes you that's
gonna be on your gravestone times. Maybe

603
00:49:58,480 --> 00:50:00,519
maybe I'm being naive trying to be
nice. I don't think I'm being made

604
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James, So you said you had
some hot hot news. Well I

626
00:51:52,480 --> 00:51:57,159
did the weirdest, the weirdest cultural
thing. So this is I had a

627
00:51:57,159 --> 00:52:00,960
weekend of weirdness, of contrasting experiences
song. On Saturday I had my hunt.

628
00:52:01,320 --> 00:52:08,239
But on Friday I went down to
Bath Um lovely about to be completely

629
00:52:08,320 --> 00:52:16,360
ruined by fifteen minutes city Bath to
see this band called the Musical Box and

630
00:52:16,440 --> 00:52:23,400
the Musical Box or a bunch of
French French Canadians who specialize in recreating exactly

631
00:52:23,440 --> 00:52:29,639
as they would have been early Genesis
concerts. Wow. Now I don't know

632
00:52:29,639 --> 00:52:34,000
whether you're ever a Genesis fan.
Not really, Well, that's because you

633
00:52:34,039 --> 00:52:38,960
didn't have. Had you gone to
boarding school in the when I when I

634
00:52:39,000 --> 00:52:43,480
did, you would have found that
lots of people were into this, this

635
00:52:43,599 --> 00:52:45,760
kind of prog rock. It was
the it was the older It was probably

636
00:52:45,760 --> 00:52:51,440
the older boys passing down their musical
tale exactly that the older boys passed down

637
00:52:51,480 --> 00:52:57,079
their their their stupid obsessions. Is
that why David? Is that why David

638
00:52:57,480 --> 00:53:01,119
Cameron was a fan of Super Tramp
exactly that I'm sure he would listen to

639
00:53:01,280 --> 00:53:07,920
listen to Genesis as well. And
this one was possibly one of the more

640
00:53:07,960 --> 00:53:13,960
annoying early Genesis albums. This was
the Lamb Lies Down on Broadway when when

641
00:53:14,599 --> 00:53:21,119
you can actually hear on every song
Peter Gabriel disappearing up his own bottom.

642
00:53:21,639 --> 00:53:25,840
I mean, it's just it's a
it's a concept album, it's about it's

643
00:53:25,880 --> 00:53:31,000
got I think he's well dodgy Peter
Gabriel, because I don't whether you're aware

644
00:53:31,119 --> 00:53:35,159
he was on one of those I
didn't think it was the Club of Rome,

645
00:53:35,199 --> 00:53:37,159
but it might have been the Club
of one of the other places that

646
00:53:37,440 --> 00:53:44,639
essentially pushing the New World Order agenda
that that that includes fifteen minutes, cities,

647
00:53:44,679 --> 00:53:47,719
sustainability, all these, all these
buzzwords and buzz phrases. He is

648
00:53:47,920 --> 00:53:58,000
very much with the control freaks program. And this, I think this was

649
00:53:58,159 --> 00:54:00,840
this was the album where where the
rest of the band members must be going,

650
00:54:00,880 --> 00:54:04,119
oh God, what's what's what's Gabriel
doing? Now? He's writing,

651
00:54:04,320 --> 00:54:09,119
He's writing a rock opera about a
Puerto Rican called Rail who gets his penis

652
00:54:09,199 --> 00:54:14,880
chops off and disappears into this fantasy
world to try and recover this. And

653
00:54:15,000 --> 00:54:21,360
there he meets Lily White, Lilith
and blah blah blah. But nonetheless it

654
00:54:21,440 --> 00:54:25,280
was really worth seeing because of the
absolute fidelity to the era and everything.

655
00:54:25,360 --> 00:54:30,760
So you've got this this French Canadian
who clearly can't speak English very well because

656
00:54:30,760 --> 00:54:35,800
when he speaks he speaks with his
very strong French accent, but he sings

657
00:54:35,800 --> 00:54:38,440
exactly like Peter Gabriel does on the
record. You would not guess that he

658
00:54:38,519 --> 00:54:43,840
was not not Peter Gabriel in fact. And the band they played there's you

659
00:54:43,840 --> 00:54:47,159
know, there's a guy playing um
Steve Hackett who does all the sort of

660
00:54:47,159 --> 00:54:52,760
pretty melodic guitar bits, and a
guy a keyboard player, Tony Banks,

661
00:54:52,800 --> 00:54:54,800
doing the melotrons and soul, and
then you've got you've got the drummer who

662
00:54:55,039 --> 00:55:00,760
who can also sing a bit like
Phil Collins. And the slides they used

663
00:55:00,760 --> 00:55:08,360
at the back were the original projection
slides used on the original tour um So

664
00:55:08,519 --> 00:55:13,719
it was a yeah, it was
an interesting experience. Um, oh that

665
00:55:13,760 --> 00:55:15,960
sounds good, James. Did you
quite enjoy it? How far is based

666
00:55:15,960 --> 00:55:22,480
from where you are? About two
and a half hours right, two and

667
00:55:22,480 --> 00:55:25,559
a quarter hours worth the trip?
Oh? Oh definitely. I mean I

668
00:55:25,760 --> 00:55:30,360
went with Dick, my brother,
so it was a sort of sort of

669
00:55:30,119 --> 00:55:36,079
brother quality brother experience. I had
not listened to the Lamblies down on Broadway

670
00:55:36,840 --> 00:55:43,519
since probably I was at university,
so it was it was a real nostalgia

671
00:55:43,559 --> 00:55:47,480
trip, just just because you could
not help but being taken back in time

672
00:55:49,199 --> 00:55:54,800
to your lost probably wasted youth by
listening to these songs, I could.

673
00:55:54,800 --> 00:55:59,239
I could see it being appealing if
if it was a band I liked and

674
00:55:59,280 --> 00:56:01,559
listened to at the time time,
like you know, the Sex Pistols or

675
00:56:01,599 --> 00:56:05,920
the strang Of course you were going
to name the cool band Tams, or

676
00:56:05,960 --> 00:56:09,199
you're gonna name the Clash as well? Were the Clash that would work the

677
00:56:09,239 --> 00:56:14,360
clash anyway. So yeah, the
only or less the only break I got

678
00:56:14,360 --> 00:56:17,840
maybe was the weekend was so busy, what with playing mum as well as

679
00:56:17,960 --> 00:56:22,840
writing you know, the CEO's report
for the Free Speech Junion board papers which

680
00:56:22,840 --> 00:56:27,400
I have to go out today.
The only, the only um unless the

681
00:56:27,400 --> 00:56:32,360
only break I got was watching QPR
for nineteen minutes. Use it using Express

682
00:56:32,440 --> 00:56:36,440
VPN actually, because you can't watch
it if you're located in the UK,

683
00:56:36,599 --> 00:56:38,719
so to pretend I was in America, and by doing so I was able

684
00:56:38,719 --> 00:56:44,480
to pay ten pounds to watch the
match. I've always found that tremendous frustration

685
00:56:44,599 --> 00:56:49,039
not being able to watch QPR when
I want. Yeah, Express PPN can

686
00:56:49,079 --> 00:56:52,760
help me with that problem. James, well anyway, and and only to

687
00:56:52,800 --> 00:57:00,239
see QPR lose three one to Middlesbrough, is that not well? It is

688
00:57:00,280 --> 00:57:05,400
normal these days. We haven't that
that that brings. That brings our winless

689
00:57:05,480 --> 00:57:09,960
total to I think eleven. So
I think we now haven't won in eleven

690
00:57:10,039 --> 00:57:15,400
games. Our new manager, Neil
Critchley, he has only been in post

691
00:57:15,440 --> 00:57:20,679
for about ten weeks, has played
twelve games and has only won one of

692
00:57:20,719 --> 00:57:25,599
them, which means his win percentage
is eight point three, recurring the lowest

693
00:57:25,679 --> 00:57:30,840
of any QPR manager in its history. We've only won one game in seventeen

694
00:57:30,920 --> 00:57:36,760
now, James. Our form since
we last won at home on October twenty

695
00:57:36,800 --> 00:57:40,159
second has been the worst in the
league. We were top of the table

696
00:57:40,400 --> 00:57:45,880
back in October. We're now seventeenth
and plummeting towards the relegation zone. It's

697
00:57:45,880 --> 00:57:53,559
been an unqualified disaster and yesterday Neil
Critchley was fired and a replacement yet I've

698
00:57:53,559 --> 00:57:57,360
seen a TV comedy series about this. You get it? Get an American?

699
00:57:57,639 --> 00:58:00,199
Yeah, if t Lasso is available, I would take him. At

700
00:58:00,239 --> 00:58:04,679
this point, whoever we get will
be our fourth manager in less than nine

701
00:58:04,760 --> 00:58:09,280
months. It's the whole club is
in chaos and turmoil. It's really depressing.

702
00:58:09,519 --> 00:58:14,920
My son Freddie turned to me and
said, Dad, we live equal

703
00:58:15,000 --> 00:58:19,920
distant between QPR and Brentford. Why
didn't you support Brentford. If we were

704
00:58:19,960 --> 00:58:22,320
all now Brentford supports, you know, we'd be like ninth in the Premier

705
00:58:22,400 --> 00:58:28,480
League. We'd be challenging for Europe, whereas you know we're looking at relegation

706
00:58:28,599 --> 00:58:31,280
to League One with QPR. It
is so depressing being a QPR fan at

707
00:58:31,320 --> 00:58:34,960
the moment, I cannot tell you, James. But having said that,

708
00:58:35,199 --> 00:58:42,239
I did get someone paying two hundred
and fifty pounds for the privilege of coming

709
00:58:42,239 --> 00:58:46,519
to a game with me next weekend
via my QPR substack, so yeah,

710
00:58:46,559 --> 00:58:51,280
it wasn't so yeah, I'm not
newly. I know people pay people will

711
00:58:51,320 --> 00:58:53,159
pay that just to get a photograph
with you, James, but it's big

712
00:58:53,199 --> 00:58:59,119
news in my world. Wow.
Well anyway, with that, thanks so

713
00:59:00,000 --> 00:59:04,000
the only But I haven't actually had
a chance to really watch anything on television,

714
00:59:04,199 --> 00:59:07,960
certainly not at the cinema, but
my fifteen year old son did go

715
00:59:07,000 --> 00:59:14,039
and see ant Man and the Wasp
Quantum Mania, which he said was absolutely

716
00:59:14,079 --> 00:59:16,679
awful, which is predictable, and
it did. It did get me thinking

717
00:59:16,719 --> 00:59:22,239
about how comprehensively, you know,
Marvel Studios have now jumped the shark.

718
00:59:22,280 --> 00:59:27,599
I mean, they haven't produced anything
decent since Avengers Endgame. I know you

719
00:59:27,639 --> 00:59:31,920
were never as much of a fan
of the MCU as me, but it's

720
00:59:32,039 --> 00:59:40,079
extraordinary the precipitous decline in quality.
I mean, the last Doctor Strange movie,

721
00:59:40,199 --> 00:59:45,000
Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness, that was poor and I thought,

722
00:59:45,119 --> 00:59:46,960
by god, it can't get much
worse than that. And then then

723
00:59:47,000 --> 00:59:52,199
I saw Thor, Love and Thunder, the third of the Thor movies,

724
00:59:52,199 --> 00:59:57,960
and that was, by some distance
even worse than the new Doctor Strange movie.

725
00:59:58,000 --> 01:00:01,199
It was like a kind of gay
comm have been kind of grafted onto,

726
01:00:01,320 --> 01:00:05,639
you know, the world's most successful
franchise. It was bloody odd.

727
01:00:07,880 --> 01:00:12,519
Uh sorry, was that featuring our
sponsor, one of our show sponsors?

728
01:00:13,480 --> 01:00:19,840
No? No, not that thought
another thought, And I was wondering,

729
01:00:19,880 --> 01:00:24,000
I mean, I was wondering what
the worst thing Marvel has done since Avenger's

730
01:00:24,079 --> 01:00:29,559
End Game is. And there are
quite a few contenders, like The she

731
01:00:29,840 --> 01:00:34,480
Hulk the Eternals, but I think
the worst one is has got to be

732
01:00:35,199 --> 01:00:38,480
the Guardians of the Galaxy Holiday special. It couldn't even bring themselves to use

733
01:00:38,480 --> 01:00:42,679
the word Christmas. And if I've
I've kind of rented about this before,

734
01:00:42,719 --> 01:00:46,519
but I watched it with my kids
drunk on Christmas Eve, and it's like

735
01:00:46,559 --> 01:00:52,320
a forty minute special and it in
it features all the characters and Guardians of

736
01:00:52,360 --> 01:00:55,639
the Galaxy, but it's kind of
like a lighthearted spoof. And my god,

737
01:00:55,679 --> 01:01:00,840
it's bad, James, It's so
unbelievably bad. You just think,

738
01:01:00,079 --> 01:01:05,679
how can the people that made Guarding
to the Galaxy one have gone from that

739
01:01:06,119 --> 01:01:07,880
to this? I mean, the
the the it's like it's like kind of

740
01:01:08,280 --> 01:01:14,719
ancient Egypt compared to present day Egypt. I mean, the degree of decline

741
01:01:15,239 --> 01:01:17,559
is just mind boggling. And it
hasn't taken you know, two thousand plus

742
01:01:17,639 --> 01:01:23,360
years. It's happened almost overnight.
Anyway, do you know what's there?

743
01:01:23,400 --> 01:01:27,239
I think will give the game away
because lots of people sort of speculate on

744
01:01:27,320 --> 01:01:31,760
whether you are in fact controlled opposition
and Illuminati, And now there you are

745
01:01:32,000 --> 01:01:37,639
bigging up the Pharaonic era when,
of course your class. Yeah, I'm

746
01:01:37,679 --> 01:01:42,400
staring eye on the eye on the
top of it, James as we speak.

747
01:01:43,280 --> 01:01:45,880
Yeah, maybe I could have thought
of a better analogy, didn't.

748
01:01:45,199 --> 01:01:51,840
I've been watching and loving I just
I'm so happy when it's on and so

749
01:01:51,840 --> 01:01:55,639
sad when I finished watching it and
that's the Clarkson's farm. Oh yeah,

750
01:01:55,719 --> 01:02:00,639
it's and that it's the last the
last season presumably it is. Well,

751
01:02:00,400 --> 01:02:07,920
yeah, I don't know. So
I finally got spoiler alert here because we've

752
01:02:07,000 --> 01:02:14,639
been told throughout that Clarkson didn't get
his planning permission and stuff. For his

753
01:02:14,639 --> 01:02:20,000
his farm shop, sorry for his
restaurant that he wanted to open to sell

754
01:02:20,599 --> 01:02:24,719
food made completely of you know men, you completely made a produce from the

755
01:02:24,760 --> 01:02:30,199
farm. And it was really sad
when he got turned down by the local

756
01:02:30,239 --> 01:02:37,400
council, West Oxfordshire District Council,
because you realized all the farmers who were

757
01:02:37,440 --> 01:02:42,079
going to be deprived of a chance
to sell their wares at a reasonable rate

758
01:02:42,199 --> 01:02:46,920
rather than the kind of insulting rate
they get paid by supermarkets. And it

759
01:02:46,960 --> 01:02:52,320
would have been great. But then
I think it has a happy ending and

760
01:02:52,400 --> 01:02:55,440
I just think, whatever you think
of Clarkson, um, what he's done

761
01:02:55,519 --> 01:03:01,519
with that with that series is so
important for farm this And yeah, I

762
01:03:01,599 --> 01:03:05,719
love him, even though I think
he cuts out on the lot of this

763
01:03:05,920 --> 01:03:09,239
uesum, the fact that he's there
on TV for the moment at least making

764
01:03:09,239 --> 01:03:15,440
this stuff makes me salute him.
Yeah. Well, let's hope it's done

765
01:03:15,440 --> 01:03:20,800
well enough for him for for another
season to be commissioned. Anyone interested can

766
01:03:20,800 --> 01:03:25,639
still find our save clerks and petition
on change dot org that will swing it

767
01:03:27,400 --> 01:03:30,079
over sixty thousand signatures. Yeah,
get over over one hundred. He's saved

768
01:03:30,760 --> 01:03:36,320
an so I think I think that's
probably. That's probably about it. You've

769
01:03:36,320 --> 01:03:39,320
got to go to what's your thing. I'm going down to Brighton. It's

770
01:03:39,320 --> 01:03:45,239
a it's a free speech Union regional
speakeasy, and I am the guest speaker.

771
01:03:45,519 --> 01:03:49,760
And we've sold out, I believe. So. I suppose in Brighton

772
01:03:49,800 --> 01:03:54,760
they're so hungry for the few people
there who who are maybe on us.

773
01:03:54,400 --> 01:04:00,800
Yeah, I'm so. I'm so
at odds with the kind of prevailing Green

774
01:04:00,079 --> 01:04:05,320
orthodoxy in Brighton. I'm I'm practically
James Dellingball. Yes, down there,

775
01:04:05,360 --> 01:04:10,719
we'll enjoy that experience, Tames.
It's given a few That's what I'll meet,

776
01:04:10,719 --> 01:04:13,679
as many attractive women who will come
up to me and ask ask for

777
01:04:13,719 --> 01:04:18,039
a selfie. Well, good,
well, I have a have a good

778
01:04:18,119 --> 01:04:23,800
luck, thanks mate. Yeah,
all right, good all right, good

779
01:04:23,800 --> 01:04:42,800
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